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Yeah Zan is a true renaissance man. His book "The Alabaster Girl" is a great read. Gives a new perspective. I appreciated the read on how you interpret his concepts.
/r/seduction20/05/17 09:26 PM
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If you stack the deck for yourself, you are more likely to succeed. You cannot succeed without putting in the work to get consistent results. For some dudes rejection is a big deal. I understand that. Usually because they have low self-esteem, low self-efficacy, or negative thoughts. It is a cruel cycle.
/r/seduction16/12/16 08:04 PM
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I agree with the sedditors here. It is a clear case of confirmation bias and selective perception. Could be numerous reasons why they both flaked.
/r/seduction02/11/16 08:37 PM
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When it comes to getting better at being empathetic, you must learn how to LISTEN ATTENTIVELY to people you have a conversation with in the now. If you are fearful or anxious, that will not happen. Ask genuine questions about them. Volunteer at a homeless shelter and consider things from their perspective. Read books on Empathy and Social Awareness. Carl Rogers is a great author for that.
/r/seduction28/10/16 08:13 PM
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I got all those books for free on the internet.
/r/seduction31/08/16 04:35 AM
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I figure that some guys on pua forums including this one don't approach beautiful women at all. Like one guy said, they are Armchair PUA's. I love to daygame at my local college campus because its fun and the girls are lovely. Cheers.
/r/seduction18/08/16 07:50 PM
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Yeah, it's supposedly a NLP tactic developed by John Grinder. Being honest is always the best way to approach dating.
/r/seduction17/08/16 12:07 AM
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I should have added some background information about the theory. I appreciate your response.
/r/seduction17/08/16 12:04 AM
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Yeah, the basics are the always the best way to start.
/r/seduction17/08/16 12:02 AM
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Yeah, I am sure that some guys disguise themselves as successful PUAS and try to sucker in newbies to purchase their products. I always take it with a grain of salt. In your opinion, what guy with a youtube channel actually has good success with women? Thanks
/r/seduction17/08/16 12:00 AM
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I agree that too much reading and not much practicing and not enjoying your time meeting women will get you no where. A lot of successful guys have their own channels and blogs describing their adventures with women. I would say its all a balance.
/r/seduction14/08/16 05:21 AM
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I have to agree mostly with sucking off my pops on this one. I'll just add some extra commentary. Go out and do some cold approaches as soon as you can. Also, reading too much can be counter productive but if you read and practice then by all means. I personally wouldn't date women from work but if you really like her ask her out man. Like he said, you are not a loser but if you want a women to find you boyfriend material/lover material you must always strive to improve.
/r/seduction14/08/16 04:29 AM
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Pro tip: If you live near a college/technical school or a student at said school visit their dental hygienist training program. The student hygienist will remove your plaque and tartar, you will also get them destained and be treated with a fluoride tray. 10 bucks at my school. I go to mine every 6 months. I come in with tea and coffee stains and come out looking white and fresh. They also teach you how to floss and brush correctly.
/r/seduction12/08/16 06:05 AM
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I would watch Mingle with Mike youtubes channel. He is asian and seems like he is good with women. Borjatone is right, its about sub communication. He does day game btw.
/r/seduction11/08/16 07:47 PM
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Even before you begin to read any theory in depth, do at least 100 approaches to understand where you stand. Then learn what you need to take away instead of adding.
/r/seduction05/08/16 08:24 PM
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Well there you go bud. You answered your own question.
/r/seduction15/07/16 07:39 PM
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You seem to have a negative frame of mind, which is fair from reading your post. I have a friend who is black and is 6'6" and attracts women all the time. It can be done. If you want to start dating women, you have to start approaching them. Join a club at Uni, go to social events, or make friends at work to build social circle. Trust me women love tall men. You just need to go out there and start approaching women and talk to them. You will suck at first but its part of the process. SOCIETY? Th…
/r/seduction15/07/16 07:37 PM
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I feel your pain brother, as you get better your standards for women will increase which makes it harder for you to find someone you genuinely like. There are many reasons why she did not reciprocate(ex called her, broken phone, played you, feels your too much of a player, etc. One question, did you at anytime try to pull?
/r/seduction04/07/16 04:39 AM
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They give such absurd advice is because they think in broad strokes/big picture and fail to realize that newbies need practical step by step instructions. Most guys won't ever use advice that is even practical when approaching and interacting with women. So just do it! One practical tip - find someone in your area you can game with to push you when starting off but everyone has their own learning curve.
/r/seduction01/07/16 06:56 PM
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My two cents here. My personal tip - Always try to keep the interaction going forward. Don't end the interaction with the number. After you get it, keep talking to her and try an instadate if possible. You need attraction along with comfort. 2nd tip - during the interaction you want put a seed that you and her should do something fun together soon. YOu do this by finding a common thing you both enjoy. Last tip - if something is not working like you keep saying hello or whats up for the first tex…
/r/seduction01/07/16 06:42 PM
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It sounds me that you just to change your mindset.
/r/seduction01/07/16 06:22 PM
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Takes about 10 minutes to get a solid number.
/r/seduction01/07/16 03:28 AM
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Sure Ablord, I typically only do day game. When I am on a college campus walking to class, I will see an attractive girl walking towards me. Ill give her solid eye contact with a genuine smile. Depending on my mood and her vibe I will go direct, indirect or false. I usually go direct. "Excuse me (use hand gestures) , totally random but I love your style!" "I am Name." IF she is in a hurry , walk with her as she talks with you. Use open ended questions and find a commonality and use that to get h…
/r/seduction01/07/16 03:27 AM
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Out of curiosity, where did you find out about this concept?
/r/seduction01/07/16 02:45 AM
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Good advice from the above redditor ablord but never assume she is not interested unless proven other wise. But yes, environmental changes is a great in to open someone naturally.
/r/seduction01/07/16 02:43 AM
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Yeah you are better off doing day game than online game. From my personal experience online dating is a cess pool of guys going after the same girls in your area. Plus, if you are adamant about it, try getting their snap chat instead of number and do some snap chatting? Girls love snapping for some reason. OR call after you get the number
/r/seduction01/07/16 02:37 AM
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There are socially acceptable ways to cold approach. Its all about the type of interaction that a man gives to a woman. Some men have social skills and are self-aware while others do not. It is harder to approach a girl in a quiet library then it is at a day festival but can be done. It is all in the nuances and subtleties. Guys who lack social skills are very analytical and have a hard time being emotionally expressive.
/r/seduction22/06/16 12:09 AM
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But you haven't got any relevant matches.
/r/seduction21/06/16 11:52 PM
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Yeah therapy could help like Systematic desensitization.
/r/seduction21/06/16 11:51 PM
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There are ton of bots and fake accounts from what I heard. Try POF for a day and let me know what you're results are? Put at least two pics.
/r/seduction21/06/16 11:47 PM
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So you hit a plateau?
/r/seduction21/06/16 11:45 PM
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Tinder is horrible. Try POF. If you say you are quite attractive then you won't have trouble meeting women on there. You can thank me later. Cheers!
/r/seduction21/06/16 11:32 PM
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Read this thread and would like to offer some empathetic advice and suggestions. 1. Try online dating - less effort 2. Understanding that not all women are extroverted and are similar to yourself. So it is possible that some women might be rejecting you not because you are social but of something else. You attribute that to not being attractive. I personally know a friend who is not very talkative, boring and has a gf. She likes the fact that he doesn't go out and plays video games - anecdotal e…
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:11 PM
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Basically be kind but not nice!
/r/seduction21/06/16 09:31 PM
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1) There is no ideal way to approach in this situation. She seemed distracted by studying or reading. Asking right away wouldn't have helped bc it would have been a flake number. There are several ways you could have gone about it when you had time before the alarm. A) Indirect- most ideal - You have asked her,"Hey, excuse me, you look very focused and stoic so I am curious as to what you are reading?" B) Direct - not ideal - Wait until you saw her outside and use a direct line but you chickened…
/r/seduction21/06/16 09:16 PM
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I don't recommend cashier game but here is some thoughts. I know friends who work at a grocery chain. Cashiers get bored and easily distracted at their job and like it when customers engage and make them laugh or have something interesting to say. Problem is you have less than a minute to have a conversation with them because of IPM. But if your goal is to get her on a date, you can go at it several ways but If you just ask for her number right away she will flake. Try snapchat or kik first. You…
/r/seduction19/06/16 07:00 AM
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How long does it take for you to normally number close them? The way it has worked for me is when I say, "Hey whats the best way I can contact you?" then continue conversation as you get the number. Make it like its no big deal.
/r/seduction09/06/16 09:53 PM
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Thanks for commenting guys. I have heard of some of those channels. Frank Night game is interesting.
/r/seduction09/06/16 09:48 PM
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My two cents here. I just think you may be putting too much pressure on yourself. That is why you can do indirect and not direct. My practical advice would be try going "false indirect". For example, "Excuse me, I know this is random but I was wondering if you know if there any INSERT PLACE HERE near by?" chat about it and then say "Oh by the way I just noticed how great you look in that INSERT Whatever you find attractive HERE! Hope this helps man. It basically transitions from indirect to dire…
/r/seduction08/06/16 08:57 PM
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Ah I see, I actually found his product for free. Very good read so far.
/r/seduction07/06/16 08:14 PM
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From a technical perspective Chris, is this micro escalation? I would like to hear your thoughts. Cheers!
/r/seduction06/06/16 07:46 PM
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How many pages is his product The automatic seduction formula?
/r/seduction06/06/16 07:45 PM
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Well I appreciate your thoughtful response and I couldn't agree more on your second to last sentence. Cheers!
/r/seduction31/05/16 08:54 PM
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So what have you done to improve your results? Good post btw. Cheers.
/r/seduction30/05/16 11:17 PM
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If you talk like that then you won't have a chance. Even if you do manage to get her to like you now she will figure you out sooner or later who you really are bud. Read the sidebar please.
/r/seduction04/05/16 07:26 PM
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I am curious, how do you go about your every day interactions with face to face encounters with women to never get rejected? What kind of behaviors do you exhibit? You go for the false direct approach? I personally think "rejection" is all a perceived frame of mind. I am curious about how you go about meeting women.
/r/seduction04/05/16 06:19 PM
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To use a basketball analogy, I can try my best to copy the best shooters in the league by using their technique but in the end I will come up short because their shot mechanics are not bio engineered to my height, arm length, flick control, eye and hand coordination, push off, etc. You see techniques are like band aids. The thing is most people don't see Steph Curry shoot 100 three pointers in practice. They just see him hit the shot in the game. Repetition in essence is just muscle memory finel…
/r/seduction27/03/16 06:14 AM
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Ya man! Especially when we live in a world full of stimulus we almost have some sort of ADHD when it comes to our attention span. It is definitely an evolutionary by product of our social behavior and our over analytic mind. Mediation helps I have heard.
/r/seduction27/03/16 06:04 AM
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Well your first statement is false. You have been approaching just the wrong type of girls. I am not sure where your FEAR is coming from but I recommend finding someone in your area to game with or find some sort of leverage to make you approach those women you find attractive. Example- If I don't approach three 'cute' girls then I won't do said fun activity for today. Follow the "Do it First' model. First you just approach, then you think you CAN do it because you have approached some, then you…
/r/seduction27/03/16 05:59 AM
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I will give you a tip that helped me approaching when I was a noob. I would exercise for an hour then cold shower and then go day game approach. It helped ease my nerves when I first started. But this is anecdotal evidence. Also, I would go to you tube and find channels that specially talk about this. Johnny berba comes to mind. As for therapies, I would suggest Cognitive Behavioral Therapy/In vivo exposure therapy. Research it. Highly effective.
/r/seduction27/03/16 05:50 AM
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I really like that line OJAY. Caring what people think is a DISEASE of the ego! Very true. We are so egocentric that the irony is most people don't care what we do in public because they are egocentric as well. A great experiment is to lay on the street for 30 seconds on a busy street. Heard about it on a ted talk.
/r/seduction27/03/16 05:43 AM
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How many cold approach's have you done? I am going to say a few or none at all. Approaching girls is creepy but you want to know what is creepier, not approach them. Ojay is right and makes two valid points. When I want to do something even though I don't feel like it because of either negative beliefs, laziness, or etc. I recommend following the "Do it First" cycle. NOt my idea. First you do it- approach, then you think you can do it after u approach several times, and then you want to do it be…
/r/seduction27/03/16 05:35 AM
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I think you already doing you, as you say. I found this post interesting because I have the same dilemma when it comes to having strong opinions. If you want to find yourself, you can look into Mindfulness, meditation, Stoicism, or just expand your comfort zones. Go out and meet women. I doubt you have ADHD. Give yourself more credit. I just think being open minded is a great quality to have because it is easier to have new experiences.
/r/seduction16/03/16 06:04 PM
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Start with eye contact and exchange a "hello, how are you?" Start small and work yourself up. I know your scared but what is the worst that could happen?
/r/seduction04/02/16 04:08 AM
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Yeah and I heard he got catfished by another pua recently. I heard about on K PUA's pod cast. Weird stuff man.
/r/seduction29/01/16 10:12 PM
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This a good reminder that learning too much without action is a crutch to progress and ultimately success. For me, I always put leverage on myself to take action. That is the biggest tip I can give to start taking action right now. Set goals (talk to 10 women in one hour, have two 10 minute conversations in one hour, etc.) If I don't do it then I punish myself (no internet that day, etc.) it forces me to take action. Everyone is different though.
/r/seduction10/01/16 06:36 AM
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First, I would say don't let learning theory be your down fall. Just take action and then learn from your mistakes is the only way you can get better with women. Approach everywhere. College game is great because there are so many lovely smart women. DJing is awesome and will help you build your social status. When you do daygame there are several philosophies on this but I personally do indirect game. Try it and see what happens. So go out there and take action and meet those beautiful women. G…
/r/seduction03/01/16 05:03 AM
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Its possible that when you are at your job you are in state and feel a sense of comfort while at it because your opener has probably something to do with tea lol. Plus give yourself a break, not every interaction you will have in your life will go the way you want it too. At some point during your interactions with these women who you find interesting and hot, be direct and show intent. They will be more receptive. Or they will think you are just trying to upsell them or whatever lol. There is n…
/r/seduction28/12/15 07:47 AM
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Stop focusing on one girl and go out and APPROACHHHH! Like yokhai said it could mean anything or nothing. If you want to ask her out, just do it!! Take action.
/r/seduction28/12/15 07:37 AM
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Just do what RSD Luke talks about. Perpetual Persistence. Approach as many people as you can and force yourself to stay in the conversation and burn it too the ground. Watch his video about it. Everything else mentioned works as well.
/r/seduction28/12/15 07:35 AM
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I dated lovely thick Hispanic women before and for me its about building trust with them. They are very sensual and usually have their guard up. I am Hispanic as well. When I approach them I usually try to stay in conversation with them longer than the usual to build comfort. They also like romance.
/r/seduction28/12/15 07:31 AM
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Johnny Berba is one of the best day game mentors in the business IMO. The honest approach is not perceived as "nice guy." Within your honest approach everyone has their own style. RSD Luke is good to watch also. Just take action.
/r/seduction28/12/15 07:28 AM
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No prob, just do or say something is the key! Once you get better at using observations to start convo in places you feel stifled than you can start doing insights or even cold reads.
/r/seduction15/12/15 08:55 PM
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Hey bud, when I see a girl who is busy reading, I just go up to her and ask her what the book is about. Many ways you can ask the question. For example, "Hey, I saw you reading the bible and was wondering what happens at the end?" I said that once and she laughed but I made it obvious I was joking. Don't feel like your interrupting her time. This was a sticking point for me when I started. For a girl who is listening to music, just put your hand up to your ear and girls usually take out their ea…
/r/seduction15/12/15 08:16 PM
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Its not weird if you make it weird. I know this seems like general advice but invite her out so you can get to know her but don't tell her how she makes you feel. Also, it seems like you are invested in her too much, go out and meet other girls. Whenever I meet girls that are working I always assume that they are bored and I am here to make their day. If I get a good vibe then I tell her {not ask} if she wants to join me ( insert activity here) sometime. Has always worked for me.
/r/seduction11/12/15 10:28 PM
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Yeah, let me know what you think of his channel? He has infield videos with his students approaching women. Very few channels have good infield footage. I been doing this for a few months now. I use to be that "shy" guy who was scared to talk to beautiful girls. This biggest thing I took from it was "Don't let learning be your crutch". It has become second nature now. It was awkward at first but not its fun because I enjoy the process.
/r/seduction10/12/15 07:38 PM
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Hey man, I read your post. I know these are just platitudes to you but "keep your head up". Everyone posting here is giving solid advice. There is a video of Simple Pickup actually picking up girls in a wheelchair. You probably have seen it. They just have fun with the process.
/r/seduction10/12/15 03:36 AM
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Hey man, it seems like your making progress. I am sure people have talk to you about RSD but I wanted to check out Johnny Berba's channel. I think he is the best for beginners. He gives great tips on handling approach anxiety. I watch a video of his before I go day gaming to get motivated. Today I went and did 10 approaches in one hour at college campus. Meet some lovely women. My strategy is to just walk around campus and approach anyone I find attractive. I keep in mind not to expect anything …
/r/seduction10/12/15 03:07 AM
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That's awesome! So what material/teacher did you read that helped you the most? I personally like watching Johnny Berba and Hayley Quinn.
/r/seduction07/12/15 07:07 AM
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Just curious massive, where are you now in regards to meeting women. Thanks.
/r/seduction03/12/15 09:17 PM
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Hey single dude, I think it is okay to be picky because at the end of the day their beauty inspires you and creates attraction for you to them. But the problem is there are more things that can be beautiful besides just their looks (personality, attitude, intelligence, independence, etc.) Also, most women have an open type. I am an average looking guy and I have dated women that are quote above my league. The key is to find ways to create attraction in them for you. Like what most people are say…
/r/seduction03/12/15 09:14 PM
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Way to go man! Yeah, if you just do goals that seem like baby steps they become way easier to do. Paradoxically, the goals seems too easy and then you overreach and do things you thought were tough but surprisingly easy. It's a sign that you are improving. Eye contact and voice tonality are easily the best things to learn as a novice and really effective in learning how to meet random people.
/r/seduction01/12/15 09:27 PM
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Hey man, been reading your day game adventures. Setting goals is important. Create a immediate goal, intermediate and then long term one with objectives for each. It helps me accomplish things especially when I am naturally lazy person lol.
/r/seduction30/11/15 10:56 PM
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If you really look at the definition of the word "nice" it means agreeable(willing to do something) or satisfactory(just all right). Instead, I like to replace the word "nice" with "kind" because it means someone with a good nature. So try being a kind person instead of a nice person. Again, someone will argue that it is all semantics.
/r/seduction11/11/15 07:06 AM
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4) For you, I would say to touch her and use more flirtation. But again you must have solid conversational skills. I am no coach but hope this helps in some small way buddy. If someone asked you out, would you want to date yourself, why or why not? Self reflection.
/r/seduction10/11/15 10:09 PM
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Hmmm, well I did not come up with the guidelines but ill try my best to expound on that here. I took bits of information from other people over the years ( some were people on YouTube and people I know personally) that I felt aligned to my authentic self. 1) Learn basic communication/social skills (talk to everyone, voice projection, etc. (google it) 2) Being honest with her and yourself and show intention (this has helped me a lot) 3) Taking action (going to talk to her, asking her out, etc 4) …
/r/seduction10/11/15 10:06 PM
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Yeah, I been there before where I had no clue where to start but my philosophy on being successful in general is being balanced, just learn the basics and take action. In this case, with women, if you go in without a plan (going natural) you will probably fail. If you go in with too much theory in your head, you will come off as a fake or unauthentic with them. Find someone in your area who is good with women that is willing to observe you or mentor you. Our fathers should be the ones that shoul…
/r/seduction10/11/15 09:14 PM
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Ah okay, well I pass no judgment here. I hope you accomplish your goal and succeed with the right woman. Good luck!!
/r/seduction10/11/15 08:21 PM
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No problem JF803! Yeah, our childhood has lots to do with how we interact with the opposite sex. So I am guessing growing up with four sisters made you understand them at a deeper level but also made you respect them for who they really are, just another human being.
/r/seduction10/11/15 08:16 PM
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Genuinely smiling at her while giving strong eye contact works wonders because it will give you feedback instantly if a women is attracted to you via non verbals/body language. It seems to me that you are a natural. Less about being pickupy and more about being your authentic, sincere self while showing dominance and confidence.
/r/seduction10/11/15 08:21 AM
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First of all, congrats on dating. How does it feel? 8 dates in two months, pretty good. What intimidates you about some of these girls? Looks, intelligence, persona, etc.? Well personally I would say that if you can connect with 30 percent of these women then you are doing a good job lol. I am optimistic and looking at this from a glass half full perspective. Some guys have zero success. Who knows what the issue is but are these 30 percent girls you have success with the girls you desire?
/r/seduction09/11/15 10:25 PM
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Hit it the nail on the head!
/r/seduction09/11/15 10:17 PM
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One more thing, if you take some time to reflect on your experiences with these women, why do YOU think you are not going on dates and building attraction???
/r/seduction09/11/15 10:09 PM
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I agree with XXL. If you want constructive feedback from people, trying making a YouTube video about your experiences in an honest and humble way. People might give you some valuable intel because they will be able to see how you carry yourself, etc. There is no right way to lead a women to sex. I am curious, is having sex with women your end game?
/r/seduction09/11/15 10:01 PM
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That is awesome man. If I could add my ten cents. This may help or not but try to re-frame the word "rejection" from your vocabulary. It has helped me with the idea of anxiousness when talking to strangers. People will either accept my proposal or decline it. That's it. Rejection does not happen. So, if a girl says no for whatever reason I don't make excuses and move on right away to the next.
/r/seduction09/11/15 09:49 PM
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From my experience men who I know including myself do well with meeting women whether they are of high quality or not is taking action by practicing and learning from those experiences. I still get anxiety but it gets easier to manage over time. Also, knowing at the core of your fiber that you are doing this (pickup) not to fulfill something you don't have (exciting life, money, etc.) but rather doing it because you genuinely want to meet someone worthwhile and while you are doing it being authe…
/r/seduction09/11/15 09:31 PM
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