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1

thank you for your response but I am disengaging from this debate and sub overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 11:55 PM
3

but given we are not chased by wild lions or need to chase wild buffalo anymore, couldn't you say the physical advantages of a man are obsolete? you are not hunting and gathering at your IT, medical, law, public sector, sales, customer service job.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 04:44 PM
1

your argument is riveting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 09:46 PM
3

of course they're upset. can we talk about the upset a lady feels when she learns half of the population was taught that they are entitled to her vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 09:44 AM
5

Are women different than men? Yes. Quite a bit so. i found this for you if true, then should we protect sexism in our culture if sexism is 1.) actually biologically unfounded, 2.) a precursor to sex hate crimes? nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 04:43 PM
7

correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 04:38 PM
6

you are not entitled to be loved by any person of your choosing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 04:31 PM
2

and eventually get traded in for someone better. oh. Interesting. Not accurate, but interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/14 06:39 PM
3

Go through a lot of very bad ones first, and decide there had to be something better out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/14 02:29 AM
1

your antics make sense. it's the replies to your antics that make this whole sub feel like the Truman show.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/14 07:52 AM
2

godspeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/14 07:27 AM
1

what the fuck is happening over here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/14 07:12 AM
9

yes. all RPs are vicious misogynist bloodsuckers so I avoid all RPs. thanks for your understanding. **edit [/sarcasm]
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 12:49 AM
2

ALL THE ALPHAS?! nuuu! my life is a lie!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 12:46 AM
3

My thoughts on studies still stands and if you want to cite soft science, you are going to have to show the studies were adequately controlled and reproducible. unfortunately, it is not anyone's job to read reports for you and explain their Conclusion section, which lists the limitations of their experiment and further considerations. it is also not anyone's job to teach you modern neuroscience / social psychology / biology so that you can understand the reports. if these people are not providin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 03:55 AM
6

are you looking for alternatives to TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 02:02 AM
7

i know. i'm a monster.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/14 10:07 PM
15

I once dated someone and didn't use the dread game and it developed into a beautiful healthy relationship that lasted 5 years and is still going. (/anecdote time)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/14 06:02 PM
1

i hope you don't die too, amatorfati. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 05:00 AM
1

except without the attempt to achieve anything. could you clarify what you mean? i don't want to put words in your mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 02:36 AM
1

Again, the scale is purely to grade their physical attractiveness and has no bearing on their worth or value as a person. unfortunately this is not always the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 02:34 AM
13

man is also entitled to a woman's money in many states, i.e. California.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 02:21 AM
2

thank you, you were able to say this a lot better than i was.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 02:20 AM
2

hahaha well either way, i appreciate what you were trying to say and the way you went about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 12:00 AM
1

pointing out the validity of evolutionary psychology studies only becomes pertinent to the discussion when people use evolutionary psychology study claims to support why their beliefs about and treatment of the opposite sex is biologically warranted and just. i am saying that is what i believe the OP was suggesting, and by the other comments the OP has made here, appears to be a considerable point of discomfort. but yes, i agree with you, most RPers are pulling their justification about the idea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 11:12 PM
3

i'd argue different but i understand what you're asking. what i'm asking is if people can become better selves overtime, how does that relate to everyone else in society? are you arguing that they makes them better than others and deserve more rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 08:54 PM
1

And thus another 3.) is born.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 07:21 PM
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I believe that the argument is coming from the normalized idea that evolutionary psychology is not as supported anymore, because it disobeys the fundamental law of science and does not produce testable hypotheses. you cannot pose an evolutionary psychology question and test for data, because time. now that neuroscience and social psychologies are being backed with new neural technologies, their findings are arguably more accepted by the community as stronger data, and that data typically does no…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 07:15 PM
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i'm suggesting that we re-evaluate how sexism affects our society given 1.) a hate crime that happened, 2.) a study that suggest people commit hate crimes when they believe they are a superior status. with that, amatorfati, i am respectfully disengaging tonight and thank you for your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 08:41 AM
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amatorfati: no, it doesn't have to be correct to you. i still believe in what i put forward, that sexism is dangerous, but i respect where you are coming from and understand why you would see it that way. my point was made, your point was made. now i agree to disagree, and you can join me in doing so if you'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 08:34 AM
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and i can see your point where dismantling all of the hierarchies would hurt our society more than it would help. if nothing else, the chaos would be astronomical. and i agree with you, total egalitarianism hasn't proved innocent, either. i'm still stuck on whether thinking someone is inferior based on their sex is worth it, though. what elliot broadcasted in his video was the manifesto to a hate crime, against an entire gender of our population. it's hard for me to get past that and sexism not …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 08:26 AM
2

you are putting words in my mouth, and for the sake of the argument, isn't going to help either of us through this. by "addressed", i mean "debated", as we are doing. questioned, considered, assessed, etc. and while i understand that what i am suggesting sounds egalitarian, i would like to make it clear that i am merely suggesting we consider if sexism is contributing to gender based crimes as a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 08:19 AM
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that if that's the case, we should consider dismantling the hierarchical ideologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 08:13 AM
1

ahh, i apologize for offending you. while it was not my intention, i understand that it was seen as condescending and am sorry for making you feel that way. it's common from where i am from but that doesn't excuse hurting your feelings as it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 08:06 AM
2

yes yes, we are on the same page finally! i am suggesting an idea that is normally considered a logic jump, providing some studies that suggest a possible behavior phenomenon that would close some distance in the logic jump if correct. thus, we as a society could make headway on how to address sexism after a gender based hate crime has been committed. and thus, we have agreed to disagree. thank you for engaging me as long as you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 07:59 AM
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sweetheart: this is not fact. this is a suggestion. by your logic, and i agree, few studies will ever render true and honest facts, especially about causality. i am not asking for innocence, i am asking that we entertain for a moment that MAYBE sexism can cause gender based hate crimes. i'll walk you through this as many times as you like until we're both comfortable. ***edit, for emphasis on maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 07:44 AM
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let's recap what equality means for this string of comments: it was put forth that sexism =/=> violent action committed by sexists. then are we saying that racism =/=> violent action committed by racists? it was put forth that sexism and racism are as responsible as egalitarianism, thus the introduction of "equality". we branched off: it was put forth that equality as understood by egalitarianism can inspire violent acts because people "are not equal". on the other hand, we have very non-equal i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 07:40 AM
3

let's spell this out a little clearer: evidence suggests that ideologies that advocate pre-ordained hierarchies, otherwise known as a system of classes divided by externally or birth-given properties that therefore deserve separate rights, can inspire extreme acts of violence and/or compliance with violence. as in: maybe the beliefs that support sexism are actually responsible for gender based hate crimes. this is not a fact, nor some law of common sense, this is, and i will reiterate: a suggest…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 07:30 AM
3

interesting point, and thanks for pointing that out. but given the nature of what genocides and holocausts are by definition..
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 05:17 AM
2

therefore the ideologies people hold and the acts of violence they commit are mutually exclusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 05:05 AM
4

if you're speaking about presumptions, then let's not make amendments that are too far from the point i was trying to make. there is no fact here, nor argument for common sense, merely what recent studies in the fields that would give us insight suggest. which, i'll reiterate, states that people who are introduced to hierarchies (concrete or fictional) that emphasize pre-ordained tiers (rule-given roles OR other fundamental defining principles of people) can be inspired into unexpected acts of v…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 05:00 AM
1

and that's the kind of conversation i would love for this event to spark, but i think will ultimately never be decided upon because it's too morally philosophical. we do not know whether or not the victims were the ones he was targeting. if they were, would his actions be justified?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 04:43 AM
5

interesting. my argument is that the practice of these options in certain situations could inspire violence, as we saw with elliot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 03:42 AM
6

nonsense, i'm not saying egalitarianism is tolerant, i am arguing that there are more tolerant ideologies than sexism and racism. i should have made that more clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 03:37 AM
8

interesting. can i ask you to explain "better" and how it scales?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 03:35 AM
5

is the inequality linear, as in everyone is different, or hierarchical, as in some and superior / inferior naturally to others?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 03:01 AM
1

understandably annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 02:47 AM
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i'm not sure if i 100% understand what you're asking. the feeling would fit if the hurt feeling inspired a behavior aimed towards changing the behavior of the next person, and if the lack of the change would warrant punishment by the hurt person. expressions aren't an act of entitlement by definition if they do not operate out of a right for something in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 02:45 AM
1

again, 100% hypothetical, as a representative of someone who feels this way, what way would you appreciate someone giving you an opposing opinion? is there a way that instantly rubs you the wrong way?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 02:31 AM
3

by logic alone you could leave her if you like, but know in the courts that recognize rape as a crime, many would consider this an accessory. whether or not she will be legally deemed as "deserving it" or "independent enough" or "darwinistic" would be a moral argument you would have to prepare and present before the judge. as always, your decision to act is yours, and as always, we did build a society where there are people with power to deliver consequences based on said decisions that are more…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 02:10 AM
4

i appreciate your view and it infers that the phrase has a lot more colloquial context to the TRP/TBP dynamic than i realized, but i am speaking of "entitlement" strictly from the definition as i know it to be: having a right to something. therefore, regardless of sympathies given or not given, i am talking about behavior beliefs that assert that certain behaviors are entitled to certain reactions/behaviors/compensations out of other people, and more so that if the entitlement is rejected, the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 01:35 AM
1

i appreciate how thorough you were in considering why you feel this way. i wanted to point out that some of your points are anecdotal, and your rational might be victim to an availability heuristic. given the expansiveness of your experience, and purely as a hypothetical, would your ideas of feminism be open to data that suggested otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 01:19 AM
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i would argue that a hate crime, or a crime made out of bias, suggests a link between ideologies and behaviors. not all sexists or racists will kill, however could the development of these ideologies inside of any one person inspire cruel acts that would otherwise never come to be if the person was aligned with a more tolerable ideology? given zimbardo's infamous stanford prison experiment as one example, modern psychology does support the idea that roles and hierarchies, born out of real or fic…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 12:53 AM
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if this is an argument for treating others as lesser members of society because treating folks equal regardless of race or gender has killed people too, i'm not sure i'm following.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/14 10:40 PM
1

to add fuel to the debate, his subscription list on youtube reveals potential influences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/14 07:50 PM
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like racism has done throughout time (lynching, genocides, holocausts anyone?), sexism can also inspire grotesque crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/14 07:34 PM
63

blue pill, red pill, it doesn't matter. he felt entitled to X from PEOPLE Y, didn't get X from Y, and therefore murdered people who allegedly didn't give X to him. i'd like to talk about the fact that X was sex and the romantic disposition of another human being, but that's not the whole overarching problem here. (and how there are now several "elliot is god" groups on facebook to celebrate his "work" -- facebook search at your own risk.) can we talk about entitlement to another person and how t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/14 05:40 PM
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