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Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
30	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time"	Discussion	coolnavigator	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 08:29 PM
0	The red pill is exactly the same as the blue pill	CMV	coolnavigator	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 01:23 AM

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1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" Well, we can talk all day about ways of scheming society to be better, but my point is that the easiest thing anyone can do is live by the moral code they believe to be most true and useful. I don't think that shirking this responsibility because you believe society to be unsaveable or unfair to be very redeeming. You aren't wrong that following all of the rules and procedures that everyone else is following isn't worth much. So, don't make that part of your code. I'm just saying take ownership …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/24 11:45 PM
1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" Every individual changes society	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/24 10:42 PM
1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" Sounds like you know of a way to make society better, but you don't want to share it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/24 09:39 PM
1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" Birds are social animals, apes are social animals , so are dolphins... it doesn't mean they don't do things that's best for themselves from time to time. That's not what I meant by 'social animal'. I meant that consciousness seeks coherence amongst other consciousnesses. We seek approval, influence, and many other ways of simply saying 'continuous transfer of ideas'.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/24 05:06 PM
2	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" No, Blue: Tabula Rasa (blank slate), gender is a construct, cultural values are all relative, etc Red: We are born with innate preferences and behaviors, the genders have innate differences, cultural values are NOT relative if you care about having a civilization, etc Purple: So, it turns out that acting like an asshole all the time isn't really that good either. Let's go back and look harder at history and determine what else there was about "tradition" besides our limited view of romance, chiv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/24 06:25 AM
1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" I don't think red pill/blue pill flips, but certainly the most popular dating strategies seem to flip a lot throughout history.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/24 06:03 AM
2	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" Ya, I would definitely agree with that. It's very "me me me".	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/24 05:45 AM
1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" To summarize our current state (listen to the podcast for context)... I think there's this really toxic component of romanticism that says "just be who you are, and your love will come" because it actually is good to do something for someone you care about. It's not about just being. You take that, and you combine it with the modern idea of dating, which is "I'll be with you as long as you're useful to me", and it's this toxic mix of "I'll be with you as long as your status is what I perceive to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/24 01:52 AM
2	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" So, how can we still form families and still affirm higher human ideals in the modern world? What I see from some people in the red pill community is an attempt to apply PUA principles (psychological tricks) to marriage and family life, but this just doesn't cut it. You probably haven't actually changed any of the values that you pretend to express/agree with. Would the woman agree to this arrangement if she know what the guy was really doing? (In reality, the guy is basically performing 'magic'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/24 12:24 AM
2	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" I guess I should have explained this better in the above comment. I don't think so. I think people are either looking for practical knowledge for their own lives, but that's not what I mean by integration. What do you actually do with your moral values when presented with facts that contradict the arguments for said moral values? You can abandon the values. This makes you basically a lone wolf, antisocial, or at minimum two-faced if you choose to pretend. You can choose to ignore the new data so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/24 11:41 PM
2	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" Yes, it’s my entire goal to confuse the masses	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/24 02:17 AM
1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" Just world fallacy What makes a just world though? All of post-1700 western civilization rests on the idea of tabula rasa.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/24 12:01 AM
1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" I will agree with this	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/24 12:00 AM
3	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" I thought blue pill just is anything that’s not red pill. The most literal translation is: blue = reality is as it seems red = reality is not as it seems However, everything relevant to the topic of "reality" is human nature. Our understanding of human nature is what shapes our understanding of reality, which determines our decisions and everything else. We're not talking about getting red pilled about quantum mechanics or chemistry. This is sociology.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 10:15 PM
2	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" I said that your perception that an idea is what a few loud people claiming it be is a poor measurement for truth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 10:00 PM
2	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" also what's your take on blackpill? I don't think it falls in this spectrum. Being blackpilled is an emotional sentiment (one of pessimism). The blue vs red pill is about perception of fact/truth. You can be blackpilled or white pilled while simultaneously being more blue or red because you can apply any sort of emotional sentiment to any truth. But why would the redpill want to do that? It's everyone for themselves and they want to do what's best for them. Because humans are social animals.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 09:57 PM
-1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" If that is your measurement for truth, then the left wing, right wing, and even centrist wing of politics is about nothing more than angry men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 09:53 PM
1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" I think there is a chasm of misunderstanding among the people who only think in terms of genetics as units undergoing evolutionary pressure. This podcast does a decent rundown of the other side of this equation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 09:52 PM
1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" How old is the PUA? And how old is The Matrix and Mencius Moldbug's seminal work? Grifters came later. There were lots and lots of independent bloggers talking about bigger stuff than how to get their dick wet, even in the mid 00s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 09:45 PM
-3	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" I'm not trying to make it sound like something. I'm presenting facts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 09:33 PM
2	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" Reintegration with society, with other people, with other ideas. No man is an island.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 09:14 PM
1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" TRP has identified the fact that reality is not as it seems.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 09:13 PM
2	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" Everyone thinks that TRP is some hate/misogynist group when it's the only group that practically dismantles itself to be better than they previously were.Selff improvement is king in a world that gratifies itself by its image TRP goes off on its own. What about reintegration?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 09:11 PM
2	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" Why dont blue pill take the second step that they have a problem with? Blue pill people haven't taken any steps. Why does TRP have some kind of responsibility to the blue pill? They don't have any more responsibility to blue or red.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 09:00 PM
1	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" Used to be general rules about how to mind fuck women to get easier access to casual sex The red pill is about so much more than pick up artists. That is what eventually came to dominate the community, but that's not how it originated. Where does the red pill metaphor originally come from? At least back to The Matrix, where it was a social/political/gnostic reference. I don't know if the screenwriters had a much older reference than that. After The Matrix, it was used by Mencius Moldbug to descr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 08:55 PM
0	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" I'm here to start a discussion. Do you have problems when not given directions?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 08:50 PM
0	Blue pill: "We are equal", Red pill: "We are different", Purple pill: "We are different, but we have to treat each other equally at least some of the time" You realize that sex forms the basis for social order, right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 08:40 PM
1	‘Birthgap’ producer touted by Jordan Peterson canceled at Cambridge; film shut down, called misogynistic Birthrate is below replacement in at least the top 50 countries in the world by wealth. As one of Stephen Shaw's interviewees says in the documentary, the sum of the entire world outside of Sub-Saharan Africa is below replacement level. Like he says, where will these immigrants be coming from?	/r/MensRights	16/09/23 05:14 AM
1	The red pill is exactly the same as the blue pill There’s no absolute definition of ‘alpha’. Like some deboonkers have claimed, it’s a term from wolf hierarchy that can only be used as metaphor with humans. So, using it as a metaphor, you could describe alpha male in a number of ways. One who provides, one who fights, one who commands respect. So, a father can absolutely meet one of these definitions but not another.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 06:04 AM
0	The red pill is exactly the same as the blue pill Who says I’m using pills to change the world? This is about your perspective on the world. The pill is a metaphor for your choice during a stage of grief after learning about the realities of the world. Blue pill means you forget about this reality, red pill means you “stay awake to it”. I’m suggesting, however, that the two categories of people that you might call blue pill or red pill (and I know these aren’t perfectly clear demarcations, but this isn’t a chemistry lab) are actually just biase…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 05:59 AM
1	The red pill is exactly the same as the blue pill We’re free to define all terms that may be useful in discussion. The red pill community defines the blue pill. What do you deny about it? “It’s not real” is not an answer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 05:56 AM
1	The red pill is exactly the same as the blue pill Anyone who has the urge to write about their sexual history online probably has some form of mental illness. Since many of these blogs and podcasts have 10s or 100s of thousands of viewers, it’s probably fair to say that the extreme element of the presenter is not matched in the viewer. You could say the same thing about the Girl Boss podcasts, who emphasize female empowerment to their listeners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 05:55 AM
2	The red pill is exactly the same as the blue pill the redpill is androcentrist. what even is the bluepill? general society? its not gynocentric. this is a case of taking an absurdly fringe idea, putting common sense next to it, then saying theyre both fringe ideas just because theyre radically different. I never said either was fringe. They’re both fairly accepted, since they exist within the Overton Window, right? The blue pill people might see the red pill people as stupid, and the red pill people might see the blue pill people as stupid, but…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 05:53 AM
1	The red pill is exactly the same as the blue pill “Blue pill” is only the establishment amongst really young people, people over 30 are very conservative, maybe not necessarily in politics but in social norms. Believing that most 40 year old guys are left wing or very socially liberal is complete horse shit, a slight majority barely believes in gay marriage (just to put an example of real policies people barely support). I am not suggesting red = right wing, blue = left wing. I’m merely saying the divide between red and blue pill is like the di…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 05:50 AM
1	The red pill is exactly the same as the blue pill What’s your point?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 01:53 AM
–	"just be skinny" doesn't work There are a couple ways of perceiving the way sexuality works. That we are turned off until we are turned on. Thus, it takes something special and attractive in another person to turn us on. If this is case, you can create this big list of things about a person that attracts you to them, and if a person doesn't match this list, logically you just won't feel anything. That we are turned on until we are turned off. Thus, we are generally open to sex with anyone of the opposite sex so long as a min…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 05:54 AM
6	Approaching women is a humiliation ritual that only psychopaths can win long run I don't think approaching women is really a significant part of the evolutionary timeline. It's a very modern problem that we have to meet strangers of the opposite sex and get them to like us instantly. It is an aspect of dating, but it's not really a basis for dating as a whole. If that's what we are depending on for dating to work out as a system for everyone involved, it's going to fail. Generally speaking, I think it's more natural to know someone before you date them. It's natural to have …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 09:56 PM
–	How to know if you're "delusional" or if you just have high standards? It seems pretty normal (to me) for people to care about who they can date. What exactly is the unhealthy attachment part? If you only want to date people that want to date you, then you have a 100% success rate. If you want to date people that don't want to date you, ask why you don't value yourself enough to just move on in such situations. Wait... Whose value system did I choose? Whose life am I trying to live? You're valuing the opinion of others over your own. I think it's good to be valuabl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/23 02:02 PM
–	How to know if you're "delusional" or if you just have high standards? If you're worried about who you can and cannot date, you have an unhealthy attachment that needs to be resolved. Delusion isn't even scratching the surface of this. You have simply chosen someone else's value system and are trying to live someone else's life. It doesn't even matter if you can or can't do it. If you can do it (say you're valuable in the eyes of others), then it's still an empty existence. /u/Windmill_flowers — Start here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/23 06:18 AM
–	How sexually selective are women? Not the mistake I'm referring to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/23 10:39 PM
–	How sexually selective are women? Who needs to see the future when the government protects you from any mistakes?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/23 09:04 PM
–	How sexually selective are women? Unfortunately men often fail to live up to basic expectations of commitment and responsibility. Maybe women that don't want to be single mothers shouldn't have sex with men who do so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/23 08:53 PM
–	How sexually selective are women? To generalize, each gender has one power to fix this, although neither will collectively use it until they must: Women can collectively choose marriage Men can collectively choose to refuse anything but marriage Women have the power today, so men have refusal ability moreso than the choice of initiation that women have. Unfortunately, men are the only real initiators (ever heard of a woman romancing a man?), so nothing really happens. Sure men can try to initiate these days, but they can't chang…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/23 07:39 PM
–	How sexually selective are women? You think this is innately true under any social architecture? No. Like I said: People do not need to be "forced" together. If anything about the above is to change, the propaganda that is encouraging our current situation needs to end, the laws that encourage this need to be revoked, and widespread awareness of our follies needs to grow. As long as people are in denial, nothing will change, and no forcing will fix that. I think the point you're missing is that economic choices are largely subje…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/23 06:36 PM
–	How sexually selective are women? So in some macro way, you are suggesting that if we give free reign to whichever gender wants to say 'no' the most to pairing, reproducing, making families (which will always be women), then society never thrives? No, I'm suggesting women say 'no' if they have the ability to. They will say no to husbands if they can (largely an economic decision), and they will say no to children if they can (largely due to birth control and values). Men aren't part of either of these choices and thus do not sig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/23 06:19 PM
2	How sexually selective are women? "Forced together" is putting it strongly, but the gist is correct. Despite our insistence on finding "the one" in romantic relationships, very rarely do people bond as individuals. I'm not saying romance is bad — it simply does not frequently happen, and we would probably go extinct if we relied on it. We've always largely been dependent on social convention and lust to create families, but the economic circumstances of women (no longer needing men), the introduction of effective contraception, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/23 04:58 PM
5	How sexually selective are women? It’s not about selectivity. It’s about lack of pair bonding. Big difference. If women have material prosperity and are encouraged by society, they will choose to be single mothers, or otherwise remain single and sleep around. Guys being left out of this are not the ones that want sex, but the ones that want to be fathers and husbands.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/23 03:49 PM
3	Existential emptiness afters years of red pill awareness and personal bitter experience It's a condition of feeling alienated from society. And society has indeed become alienating against men. I somewhat agree with this. Consciously or not, men are driven to produce so that they can receive. Biologically, they expect to receive commitment and sexual access from women along with child rearing. "Status" is just an abstract currency convertible to the above things, as there is almost no other reason to have it (biologically speaking). It's not bad to use this drive and create an illu…	/r/TheRedPill	20/01/23 05:50 AM
1	Existential emptiness afters years of red pill awareness and personal bitter experience You have "existential emptiness" b/c you structured your life, your beliefs and actions around women somehow being the goal or that women somehow are supposed to bring something magical to your life that will solve the millennia old "whats my purpose?" question. Basically what I was going to say and what is largely wrong with this forum. Hard to take a forum seriously that has "How To Tease Bitches", "How To Train Bitches", and "How To Manage Your Bitches" in the side bar. The problem is, this i…	/r/TheRedPill	20/01/23 05:40 AM
2	Existential emptiness afters years of red pill awareness and personal bitter experience Keep looking for a way. There is no single authoritative red pill or blue pill. To say otherwise is groupthink. You are just as likely to find shit advice and philosophy here as you would anywhere else.	/r/TheRedPill	20/01/23 05:35 AM
1	What does redpill mean? Continuing off of what Mikey just said, I have an alternative view of the Matrix. The Red Pill in the Matrix was an opportunity to essentially "wake up" from a life that he was unknowingly living in a dream state. Everyone around him was in this dream state and more or less controlled by a power above them which could control them, like machines plugged into a larger machine. This larger machine fought to put him back asleep or eliminate him entirely, and the movie series is generally about him …	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/23 05:53 AM
1	When will women have to subsidize male health problems (like dying several years earlier)?—France introduces free birth control for all women under 25 You are now blocked	/r/MensRights	03/01/22 07:49 PM
1	When will women have to subsidize male health problems (like dying several years earlier)?—France introduces free birth control for all women under 25 You really want to argue with me about what my own words mean?	/r/MensRights	03/01/22 07:41 PM
1	When will women have to subsidize male health problems (like dying several years earlier)?—France introduces free birth control for all women under 25 I will quote myself: If sex has consequences and you still want that life partner, you are just much more careful who you have sex with. If many people make a similar decision, then you totally restructure how dating works in the modern world.	/r/MensRights	03/01/22 07:34 PM
0	When will women have to subsidize male health problems (like dying several years earlier)?—France introduces free birth control for all women under 25 I'm not suggesting you pick a life partner because a child is on the way. I'm suggesting you pick a life partner before you have sex and then have a child on the way.	/r/MensRights	03/01/22 07:31 PM
1	When will women have to subsidize male health problems (like dying several years earlier)?—France introduces free birth control for all women under 25 You understand that human nature shapes our decision making processes, no? If sex has consequences and you still want that life partner, you are just much more careful who you have sex with. If many people make a similar decision, then you totally restructure how dating works in the modern world.	/r/MensRights	03/01/22 04:01 PM
2	When will women have to subsidize male health problems (like dying several years earlier)?—France introduces free birth control for all women under 25 Human nature doesn’t care about your modern perceptions and sensibilities	/r/MensRights	03/01/22 03:52 PM
0	When will women have to subsidize male health problems (like dying several years earlier)?—France introduces free birth control for all women under 25 Relationships are formed due to the consequences of sex. No consequences? No need for relationships.	/r/MensRights	03/01/22 01:35 PM
3	When will women have to subsidize male health problems (like dying several years earlier)?—France introduces free birth control for all women under 25 Consequence-free sex hurts both sides if you care at all about families and relationships.	/r/MensRights	02/01/22 04:54 AM