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I think you're absolutely right, for some reason a lot of men have a hard time stepping out of shame and guilt into a true masculine sexuality. Men can recognize the power of their masculinity, and see the sexuality that is beneath the surface of all human interaction. “I wanna get fucked, I wanna get fucked good, I wanna get fucked often, I wanna get fucked NOW” Yes, absolutely. Desiring sex, but not needing it is true power as a man. A woman who is desired, but not desperately needed, opens he…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:21 PM
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because "angelic women" don't exist. Women are humans, and they don't want to date loser men and shouldn't be made to do so. Some men being losers isn't a problem we need to solve, in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:57 PM
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Well since we're talking about fairy tales that will never happen, I'd like to go back to 2009 and buy some Bitcoin and become a millionaire but that ain't gonna happen either
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:46 PM
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so it's more like "why would I go to all this effort when sexual release is a few keystrokes away"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:24 PM
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I mean effectively yes, but what's really happening is they're created a strong pathway in their brains that associate the high reward of sexual release with the low effort required to achieve this release through porn and masturbation. The pathway to sexual release VIA porn gets stronger, and the pathway to the reward of sexual release through pursuing a real partner is diminished
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:22 PM
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both of these are two different pathways to the dopamine reward signal. My argument is that porn is a major reason why men go online and claim that they are entitled to pussy for merely existing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:08 PM
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It's not necessarily about what you think, it's the physiological and subconscious effects too. Ejaculation triggers dopamine as a "reward" for viewing pornography, and so a pathway in the brain is created that associates porn use with reward (which would otherwise be the reward for actually pursuing and successfully courting a woman). Think Pavlov's dogs
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:04 PM
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From my perspective, it was bad for me even though I wasn't particularly addicted to it. I would have considered myself a moderate user. I agree with you that it is a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:56 PM
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Porn induced erectile dysfunction is a real scientific phenomenon. Yes, I read the book and found it interesting. Am I like, a preacher of it? No. I find it interesting to argue it in the context of PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:47 PM
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even when it's not an addiction
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:44 PM
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Quitting porn doesn't shed a positive light on me? I can live with you, a random Redditor who doesn't know me, believing that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:44 PM
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Male vs. female sexuality are two separate issues. Yes it's a double standard, there are lots of double standards in dating. Dating is not and should not be a perfectly logical math equation where we enforce equal standards on men and women. Eggs are a scarce resource, semen is not. All dating and gender dynamics flow from this fundamental principle. If you want to better understand dating dynamics, operate from this starting point EDIT: so to answer your question, no, it's not a dealbreaker
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:30 PM
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Yeah, I support all women who say porn is a deal breaker, it should be
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:35 PM
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Porn is never useful, sir
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:12 PM
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in my opnion, and in my experience as a young man, porn is by far the biggest problem. Quitting it solved all of my problems with women, and I'm not even exaggerating
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:27 PM
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porn makes social isolation much easier. Trust me, if you don't watch porn and you don't masturbate, it's physically impossible to stay inside all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:27 PM
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I think the men that complain online, likely most of them struggle with compulsive masturbation and porn consumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:25 PM
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stick to your guns, OP. the vast majority of men consume porn. It gives reward stimuli for simply existing, it signals to the brain that the body has successfully reproduced, or attempted to. Porn is an evolutionary selection event for men, it absolutely hinders your ability to attract and keep women, I know because I used it for a two decades before quitting and I know the negative consequences all too well
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:20 PM
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I have the same experience. As a guy, I know what women want to use me for, and it ain't my wallet if yk what I mean
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:01 PM
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well Lana_Sphyncter, the problem for me is that Reddit considers even 5, 10, or 15 year age gaps as "pedo." Or they put them in the same category as what you're talking about. It's up to the men to decide if they're willing to trade their dignity and money for some ass. If you're arguing that some older guys in these sugar daddy arrangements are oblivious and don't realize they're being used in this manner, yeah I don't think anybody disagrees here. but it doesn't follow that this is the nature …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:57 PM
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And one of them is that the man she's with has to be better than her. Bigger, stronger, richer. This is the way nature intended women to be. This is not "patriarchal," it is essential for human survival
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:22 PM
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Conservative women are actually the worst. All they do is bible bash men as a means of control. The group of women most likely to use sex to control men are conservative women, full stop
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:17 PM
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The only men saying this are insecure about the fact that they have never experienced that "instant attraction" with a woman who is immediately turned on by them. If they could experience a few hookups, then they would realize that most hookups are mediocre sex with a partner that you're not looking to end up with long term. I've experienced both sides of the equation, relationships that were a slow burn and relationships that began with sex. The chemistry is what matters. I think these men simp…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:59 PM
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Men need to fight to restrict access to birth control, no-fault divorce, and anything that hurt the interests of women. Don't you find it pathetic on the man's part that a woman should be STUCK with him for the rest of their lives? Should only men be allowed to divorce women? When the cost of this gender war becomes too much, then women will make a deal with men where both get equality. Until then we are fighting a losing battle. There is no "we" here. Men and women have co-operated since time i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 04:11 PM
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> Every woman can find a “good guy” who will commit and treat her right. This is the statement I'm talking about. You've made an implicit moral assumption that your average guy is a "good guy" and I just fundamentally disagree with this. The average guy is a loser. All you have to do is look at ANY metric for what a "rare" man is, and you begin to see how low the bar is: according to GPT: Only about 28.3% of men in the U.S. successfully meet the combined standards for both cardio and lifting. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 02:15 PM
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totally agree. as a guy, I want women to reject losers and at this point any man whining about women on the internet are laughable and pathetic to me It actually doesn't bother me, even a little bit, when a woman rejects me. I just smile, say have a nice day, and keep it moving
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:12 PM
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If she said all of her exes were really wonderful guys, would that make you feel better? Women's imperative isn't to date "moral" guys (whatever you're pre-supposing moral to mean), their imperative is to have genetically healthy babies. That actually IS moral, in the sense that women are biologically hard-wired for the survivability of their offspring. If you think this is "wrong" then I suggest you re-evaluate whatever moral framework you are operating with, because it seems faulty to me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:08 PM
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Yeah, completely out of touch to claim that funny = high status. I made girls laugh when I was a broke college student, and I make them laugh now that I've got a decent career. It's just about having the confidence to crack jokes or talk to complete strangers for the fun of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:03 PM
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And people who don't socialize have to "abstract" social dynamics into this weird online petri dish because their brains are trying to solve their reproductive problem
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:58 PM
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> I am saying it's natural. Sure they can "shape up" but if the reward is a single mother who harps on about mental load, then it doesn't make sense for them to "shape up". I was actually on the verge of trying the passport bro stuff, and then I "shaped up," and guess what? I've seriously dated 5 different women in the past 6 months, not one of them was a single mom, and I love my girlfriend to death (she is also not a single mom)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:46 PM
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I mean, it's just the truth that passport bros are arbitraging their money in poorer countries. If those women weren't poor, they wouldn't date passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:44 PM
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Very well put
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:43 PM
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They're just not masculine enough to draw the feminine submissiveness out of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:38 PM
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That's the thing, them being so pathetic that they literally have to remove themselves from their home country is actually to women's benefit
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:36 PM
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> Passport bros for people who don't know are men who go to other countries to marry their women because women in their countries don't meet their standards or they don't meet the women's standards. we need to keep it real here, these men go to other countries because they don't meet women's standards, not the other way around. They are basically taking advantage of the fact that they are "rich" compared to, for example, women in the Philippines, and for these women securing a man who is rich by…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:34 PM
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"Why can't you build a relationship on tactics?" I guess you can try, but that sounds fucking exhausting to me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 06:51 AM
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The problem is you cannot build a long term relationship/marraige on "tactics."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:02 PM
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If you have to repeat to yourself that you are the prize, chances are you are not the prize
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:52 PM
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Yeah I agree, if he's super pushy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:28 AM
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I think for the right man, having sex with him regardless of the timing, will reveal the soft spot he has for women. I lot of us guys have it, we just don't talk about it because it can be easily abused by the wrong women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:36 AM
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I'm not disagreeing that being purely a provider without anything in return is obviously simping. Providing in general is just kind of a male imperative
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:12 PM
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I used to be like these guys 10 years ago, it was actually some nice ladies in this sub that gave me some great advice. I just don't think young guys want to admit to themselves that if you stop jerking off and watching porn that your entire outlook on women (and life) will change.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:48 PM
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Men evolved to impregnate a woman in order to propagate their DNA, and then provide for their offspring VIA gathering of resources, yes. If this is "simping" to you, I don't even know how to engage with that point in a serious way
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:56 PM
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It's a man's duty, like on a deep, evolutionary level, to provide for women and children. It's not just 'money', but that's a big part of it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:36 PM
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The problem is many men are willing to have sex with women that they would never commit to. Personally, I really have lost interest in having sex with women that I wouldn't at least consider making my girlfriend. I'm not the only guy out there like this. With every one of my girlfriends besides like, in highschool, we had sex right away and I ended up liking them all. My current girl I love very much. We had sex quickly because the tension was heavy.. that's kinda what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:34 PM
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Yeah you're absolutely right about the root diagnosis of male complainers online. At the end of the day, these men have no choice but to earn what they want, if they are not willing to settle. I was able to make that transformation myself so I know it's possible for others. I agree with you that settling for a sub par man is a bad deal for women. Being in a relationship with a masculine man who provides and protects, however, is a great deal for women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:59 AM
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Yeah I remember being told that exact thing on this sub when I was like 24 years old, which was a decade ago now (time flies).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:55 AM
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yeah, porn and daily/weekly masturbation suppresses the male libido to the point where he is unlikely to take extra effort to seek out and pursue women. He is signalling to his body that he has already been sexually successful, and therefore does not need to pursue a woman for a time. For most men, they live in this "refractory period," meaning their bodies are in a constant state of essentially not being motivated to pursue real women, at all. You can find so many men online who have run experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:28 PM
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So you're telling me that you're so ugly, and so autistic, that you couldn't fly to Thailand get on a dating app and meet girls? Where there is a will, there's a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:11 AM
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I'm simply trying to share information that has helped me improve my own life. You can take it or leave it, but it sounds like you gave up long ago and I don't really know what I could say to help you see a different perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:53 AM
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does welfare for poor mothers only benefit women? What if their child is male, then wouldn't it benefit males too?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:43 AM
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what's funny?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 11:12 PM
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19, and if you're a zoomer you get a slight pass, 21
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 11:00 PM
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Women go out because they are social creatures. The cost of the "consumption" is worth the opportunities for new relationships and novel interactions. The perspective of OP is essentially: "as a man, I could not imagine leaving my house at all if I had a list of women on tinder begging to fuck me." But the question says more about OP than anything, and it's not an interesting question. Why the fuck do you not want to go out and experience something REAL?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 10:59 PM
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Men can also suppress their libido, and p0rn offers them a free and easy way to do so. Women discharge an egg per month, men can discharge endlessly, multiple times a day, every day forever. Women don't get to manually suppress their libidos like men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 10:54 PM
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Men can adapt their libidos too, it's just that 90% of men don't. When I'm single, my libido is an incredible source of motivation and drive. Most men waste theirs on p0rn and jerking off and then wonder why they can't get a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 10:36 PM
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You're not really SAYING anything... okay women in the USA and Europe are consumers. Is this some profound insight to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 10:21 PM
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Well, prison is a societal cost in the same way that child support/welfare is. Both of them are costs of the darker sides of male and female nature, respectively. I don't see how it's projecting, the point seems valid to me. You could explain how it's invalid if you wanted to
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 10:11 PM
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You live in capitalism and you consume as well, being on your high horse and condemning women for consuming will not benefit you in any way, so why spend energy being emotionally hurt by things women do? Normal people go out, brother. Take a break from the Hub for a few days and maybe you'll feel the urge to go out, too
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 09:38 PM
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ultimately, being rejected by a women is essentially a woman implicitly saying to that man "you are not worthy" which men could interpret as "she thinks I'm a bad person." But as a man, if you're thinking like this, you're lost anyway. As a man, why do you need to give a damn about what others think of you? Let them think what they want, if you're a man in your feelings online, you have some serious growing up to do and I don't blame women for not giving a fuck about you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 09:31 PM
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I think it's the way these men frame it in their minds. Like "Stacy fucks Chad, and has Chad's baby. I didn't get to fuck Stacy, but my tax dollars go to Stacy and Chad's bastard child." They believe they are thinking analytically, when really they ignore the context you point out, and then get emotional online. Emotional man-children online bitching are hardly a "societal problem" that we must sacrifice women to solve
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 08:40 PM
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You need to learn the dynamic at play with this convict question: The convict doesn't give a shit about being shamed, enough to have committed a crime worthy enough to land him in prison. So this man is unlikely to care one way or another about being rejected by women, and is thus more likely to approach and create relationships with women. Also, most women are not knocking down prison cell doors to fuck convicts. The realistic answer to you is that there are probably things you are doing that g…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 08:31 PM
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The sheer fact of the matter is, that these "sexless men" are really not a problem for society at all. They masturbate to p0rnography on a daily basis and then go online to impotently complain about how women don't want them. Idk, maybe start by not completely and utterly suppressing your libido and come back in a year and see if you still have the same problem? I don't blame women for not having sex with weak-willed men who can't even take their own dick out of their hands. Society should, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 08:22 PM
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If you think the only reason that men and women cooperate and cohabitate is because of "actual or implied violence wheather interpersonal or societal" you have a truly darkened mind and I really feel bad for you. You do realize, most men actually quite like women, for who they are and for their feminine energy as a complement to our masculine energy, not just as bang-maids, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 08:12 PM
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Only women are helped by "body positivity." Men are just shit on. Seems like anecdotes / posts online by fat woman about how they're not attracted to fat men would match up with this. That's why people shit on the movement.. It's dominated by entitled women who think they can just be magically given a man who takes care of his body, even though they themselves let their bodies go to shit and make tons of excuses as to why they're actually healthy and you're just discriminating against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 06:45 PM
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My hair is visibly thinning a bit, and I'm not really sure much has changed. The number of dates I get has more or less stayed the same. Sure, being younger, I had the young guy "thing" going for me, but I was also a ball of insecurity so maybe that cancelled out the hair.. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:23 PM
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Yeah, sounds to me like a bunch of dudes that are super desperate... Probably the types of guys used to doing the whole ONS Tinder "thing." As a guy looking for an LTR, I'm not dating right now because I figure people are really stressed out and I'm being more or less patient for when I can go on dates and have them be relaxed... I've just been focusing on taking care of myself and improving my life through this whole debacle. The heightened sense of danger throughout all of this has really had …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:15 PM
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That's a good way of putting it. I think terms do matter, even though I understand why they're used right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 03:02 PM
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I don't disagree with you, but I think as time goes on we're going to look back and shake our heads a bit when we recall these terms and their connotations
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 03:00 PM
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So you have to be white in order to not worship money? That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 03:11 AM
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but there is only one idea that lasts. Money. Well I choose to reject this notion and live my life accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 03:06 AM
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I agree, but it's up to people not to look at each other like market objects. TRP isn't exactly leading the way in this regard
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 03:03 AM
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Also I've been quite good at descerning the truth when it comes to girls interest levels. At the end of the day I have to be the judge of character for the types of women I choose to pursue/associate with. Yes, this probably makes my expectations high by todays standards, but so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 01:00 PM
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SMV is a heuristic (or simplification) for trying to understand how women in general tend to evaluate men, but that doesn't mean that it is universally true or without flaws as an idea. Also, I think SMV is particularly salient in todays dating arena, but things may change as time goes on, since we tend to see increasing numbers of women in their 30 somethings who are kinda up shit creek if they want a boyfriend or partner. Younger women may see that and respond accordingly, it's hard to tell. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 12:55 PM
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Again, I'd rather extend my view of people beyond the scope of sexual market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 12:39 PM
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Red Pill is too narrow of a worldview. Their ideas can be useful if taken with a grain of salt. But the effort to boil everything down to "market value" is a bit depressing and unhelpful, if your goal is to find a quality partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 08:24 AM
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It is all to the credit of the authors to recognize them. I don't know what you mean by this. If you're implying that the author is the only one that can/should point out limitations, you really need to review how the scientific method functions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 08:44 PM
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You don't have to be an expert in psychology to criticize this study. A study can be critiqued in countless ways. For instance, the study's largest N value is just under 600. Seems pretty small. Method one was conduction with participants who were all students (selection bias). It's kind of silly to assert that you have to be an expert in psychology to criticize a psychological paper. A psychological paper draws from many disciplines other than psychology, so it can be criticized from the perspe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 08:37 PM
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Interpretation by psychologist researchers From the discussion section of the research: "First, they provide no evidence about the behavioral consequences of these perceptions. Thus a logical next step in this research would be to examine these effects in a live interpersonal context. " In other words, the way that the participants rate the photos may have very little or nothing to do with how they would act in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 08:26 PM
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Women most certainly know what they're doing. However, I don't know how anyone could expect someone who has money being thrown at them constantly to give that behavior up voluntarily. The point I'm trying to make is that discussing where the blame lies is all well and good. If we agree that simping is a problem that we want to solve, we should place responsibility for the problem on the simps themselves because that is likely to be a more effective solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 08:08 PM
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Personally I wouldn't get rid of it, only because I've never really felt hindered by my sex drive. I'm pretty good at shifting focus away from sex when I need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 08:03 PM
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I don't know what a blooper is
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 09:26 PM
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Followed by a huge falling out that makes him want to off himself
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 01:14 PM
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Who is "you." I'm not an FDS if that's what you're implying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 01:01 PM
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So TRP are intellectual heavyweights in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:59 PM
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Begone, lazy troll
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:55 PM
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You have no clue what you're talking about though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:54 PM
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Lol using PPD as representative of most men. Seems very wise!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:52 PM
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why would it matter if I ever meet you in real life. Genuine advice is given as a gift, in the hopes that my perspective can help in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:40 PM
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The thing about it is that it has to come from a place of mutual understanding. Too many people see deradicalization as just calling someone a dumbass and shaming them. In reality, deradicalization is acknowledging that there is some truth to TRP/FDS/etc, even if it's just the sentiment that they adopt. Even if this sub gets a couple people to sort of "move on" from these rigid thought patterns, I think it's worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:38 PM
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Why wouldn't you care about changing someone's mind, if you're doing it with pure intentions? As humans we need other humans to help us see truths that we blind ourselves to. It's fundamental to our humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:32 PM
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I've had my mind changed on this very sub
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:27 PM
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This forum is a great place for deradicalizing people who have gone too far with TRP. Given that, I think you also have to give people room to vent. Debates need conclusions and outcomes. The debate is part of how we come to conclusions and outcomes on our own terms. We're not some sort of school, where we have to publish papers and whatnot. We're a forum. People come here to think out loud and share their incomplete and flawed thought processes. That's the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:25 PM
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If she's treating herself well, then of course she'll still be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:20 PM
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In other words, you're having more fun because it's a fucking ps1
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:17 PM
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Saying women hate incels is just redundant, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:16 PM
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You, on the other hand, are your girlfriend's therapist
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:13 PM
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It's because they know that if they got what they actually deserved, it would be incels lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:07 PM
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I feel like a man who has experience knows that he can't get too emotionally involved too quickly, which can come of as "DGAF" but is actually a very rational defense mechanism against being hurt
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 01:21 AM
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I can say that my definition of "asshole men" used to be a blanket term for men that made me feel insecure. This is one reason why I tend to agree with those who suggest that men who struggle with women get into martial arts. Even dabbling in it can teach you a lot about yourself and life in general. It teaches you that your fear of stronger men is actually a rational fear, but that strength alone isn't the main determining factor if you are adept at martial arts. EDIT: The other problem for me …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 01:13 AM
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In many of my arguments with RP folks, I find it really ironic when they'd act like they care about you (if they view you as a "beta" that doesn't get much sex), and yet brag openly in the same argument about how they're fucking married women or women in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 09:38 PM
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When you attempt to boil everything down to "market value" you sort of lose the more mystical element of relationships and dating, and it then becomes a debate about who has the best appraisal of the dating "market." Certainly it's good to be aware of these arguments, but it is a mistake to assume that SMV is the only way to look at dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 09:51 PM
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ultimately we cannot FORCE women to see the contradictions in their own thinking. The only way forward is to let it play out. We cannot, as others in the comments have stated, put the genie back in the bottle. The genie was released from the bottle for reasons that were very real. The only way is forward, and we're going to have to find new way of dealing with these problems. This sub, for example, is one of these new ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 04:55 AM
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I think it's ultimately a paradox that women have to come to terms with -- They can have casual sex with men who they know won't commit to them. The fact that these men do not have to commit is part of what attracts women to them in the first place, yet they claim to want them to commit. TL;DR they want to have their cake and eat it too. They don't want to admit that the type of guy that will commit to them isn't the type of guy that women think will bring them happiness in life. In other words,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 04:42 AM
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Why would it have ever become the norm if nobody wanted it? It just seems like you're engaged in wishful thinking. Gay people still engaged in gay sex before it was the norm for them to be allowed to do so. Did the normalization of being openly gay cause people who would otherwise be straight to become gay? EDIT: The desire was always there, normalization merely makes it easier for those that already had the desire to more easily engage in the desired activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 10:46 PM
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They might as well be the same. When we speak of "sexual preferences" we usually also imply that these preferences are rarely broken by those that hold them. e.g. a "woman who prefers men over 6ft" might as well mean "a girl who only dates men who are over 6ft tall"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 10:43 PM
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As well as thinking women actually want OP's idea of a "good man"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 10:06 PM
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Seriously, I find myself doing more laughing than pining on tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 10:05 PM
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Yup, if the demand is there, banning that apps will do jack shit. If anything, they allow people to help realize their own desires. If a woman you would have married in a conservative society really just wanted to be a fuckdoll, constantly getting plowed by different guys, why would you still want to be monogamous with her? At some point you just gotta let go
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 10:03 PM
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I think about it this way. If you were magically in a world where the apps didn't exists and you starting dating a girl, wouldn't there still exist some desire within her for casual sex? The apps simply make it easier for women to pursue desires that were already there to begin with, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 09:56 PM
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Women prefer handsome men, just as you prefer attractive women. Why would you expect something different?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 09:52 PM
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If you think a bar is your only option, I think you're really lacking in creativity. I wouldn't even consider myself that handsome, and last week I was stopped at a fucking red light and this cute girl was trying to hit on me from the car next to me. I was so shocked by it I didn't have time to try and shout my number out to her but.. yeah, I've met plenty of women in the most random places. For me, Tinder is kind of a joke because I've already been with women I'd have never even matched with
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 09:48 PM
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This whole "good man" thing is just an excuse to have a chip on your shoulder. In dating, it only matters if the woman sees you as a good man. Men rarely stop to think about how women might have a different definition of what a good man is to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 09:40 PM
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Yeah, a year ago I was a typical red pilled poster. PPD actually helped kick my ass a bit and realize that it's a waste of time to complain post. I took that misplaced energy and put it into an old passion of mine and started meeting more people, including women, through that. Needless to say, I'm way happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 09:36 PM
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yup. Better to just accept it and move forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 09:31 PM
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people will learn to move away from it insofar as it hurts them. Banning them would arguably make them more popular in the long run anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 09:30 PM
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dating is a primal, cutthroat, uncaring process that is also partially psychopathic. It will remain this way regardless of the dating apps available at any given time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 09:29 PM
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If we think that banning whatever we feel like banning on a whim is a bad idea, maybe we shouldn't turn around and do the same ourselves. Part of freedom is the ability to make poor choices. I will agree with most of your points regarding the meat market that is OLD. However, as it makes us more and more unhappy we will naturally move past it. Just like any other fad. Humanity will not die out as a result of dating apps, and banning them will do no good in improving the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 09:27 PM
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Yeah, I mean, it's really up to you to not let a woman do this. I just was in a situation where this girl constantly said she has no feelings for me, etc. But, would try to call me all the time, look to me for a shoulder to cry on for various things, and constantly flirting with me/sending nudes/teasing but saying she wasn't ready for sex. I found out she was talking to another guy during all this. I told her from the start that I'm jealous and that two-timing was a deal breaker for me, but she …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:28 PM
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I think that the reason it's harder to be friends with women right now is because dating is harder, so men are more likely to hit on every woman they meet instead of already having a gf and making female friends
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:06 PM
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I have a hard time being friends with girls because I often ruin it by hitting on them. However, I would not say that my personality is "incompatible." If this were so, I would probably not want to seek partnership with a woman.. I think that the point, to a certain extent, is to be different. I suppose I just don't view these differences in the same way that you do
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 09:43 PM
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Twitch recently banned usage of the word "simp" I thought simping was "king shit?" lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 05:37 AM
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"Average" involves a bunch of metrics and measurements, but the sum total of these things doesn't determine who you'll be able to date. They may factor in, but there's obviously more to it than that. A guy could be average in most ways, but be very driven to be successful. So when you "see an average guy with a beautiful woman," are you sure what you see is an average guy? Or is he just what you perceive to be an average guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 06:39 AM
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Your reasoning has some gigantic, glaring flaws. Music is not drawn from randomness, just as human appearance is not drawn from randomness. Therefore it is useless to consider 'all possible combinations' of melodies just as it is useless to consider all possible ways which a person could appear. I see the point you are attempting to make, and there is a grain of truth to the fact that there are SOME people who will be unattractive to ALMOST everyone. But again, I feel like this sort of person is…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:57 AM
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This is why people struggle. I feel as though people tie a bunch of things into relationships: status, self-worth/personal value, money and prestige. At the end of the day, people do not want to be a trophy object in another person's life because it's ultimately humiliating and degrading. It's also not easy to realize in yourself that you do these things. For example, I didn't love myself so I needed someone else to do it for me. It's easy to get sucked into that cycle and I fear that some peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:25 AM
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Then we have the advice of "be yourself" and other bloop tropes that only really work if someone is already high-value and socially capable I see your point, but what choice do people really have? I think the advice beneath this is that it is a waste of your time to put on an act just to pick someone up. This has been pretty solid advice for me.. As someone usually speaks his mind, I'm not generally the most liked guy around either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:20 AM
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There are some older women that definitely are still hot. This sort of runs counter to TRP ideology, so they don't like to acknowledge it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 02:39 AM
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This saying is just an excuse people use to indulge their shitty character flaws instead of actually learning and growing. The fact that you even think it's worth saying in the first place is pretty laughable to begin with. Learn and grow together, or stagnate and die together. Your pick. Fuckin give me hell when I'm at my worst, because I need to change for the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 02:04 AM
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Honestly almost none of my self worth is tied to those things. I don't meet a lot of women since graduating college, and I'm content to be patient and look for genuine connection however impossible it may seem to find it in today's dating world. I tie my self worth in the things I've done that I never thought I could do (proud to say there's quite a few things on that list), and the progress that I've made in life. As a guy it seems like if I'm not doing interesting shit then I wouldn't expect w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 08:01 AM
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Sexual strategy can be something below the level of conscious awareness. I wouldn't really expect people to be that in touch with this particular thing to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:13 AM
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Bad match, not bad traditions. No. Bad match, AND bad traditions. Again, you're really showing your low IQ right now bud
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:55 PM
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for her decision Yes, but you're placing 100% of the blame on HER, which is just not logical. There were many external pressures that play a role in this: it's a combination of all of these factors. She didn't make the decision in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:54 PM
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My point was don't rush into marraige. If you think that's not sound advice, by all means make your retarded point
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:53 PM
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Also my sister was never a feminist so it's unfair to simultaneously hold her to traditional and feminist standards. Plus it just makes you look like a piece of shit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 11:30 PM
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Yeah honestly you know very little about the situation and it's really not up for debate unless you knew what you were talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 11:29 PM
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Well you called me a "feminist" which is a pretty wide reaching set of ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 11:25 PM
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But I guess, as far as the economics of feminism go -- yeah, I'm fine with women working and contributing to society. Voting too, obviously. Women shouldn't have to completely depend on a man, that's silly. Some women want to depend on a man-- great, they can do the tradwife thing. For the rest of women, yeah, they ought to have equal rights as the default. As far as feminism's social prescriptions.. Yeah I'm firmly in the "feminism is cancer" camp here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 07:19 PM
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I can recognize the absurdities and drawbacks of traditionalism without being a feminist. You labeling me as such is not helping your arguments. So now I'm a white knight for my sister? lmfao, of course she made a bad decision. But without "traditionalism" they would have just had sex and moved on, but instead they thought (because of traditionalism) that they should be married before sex, so they felt pressure to get married and did. The cancerous idea here is TRADITIONALISM. There is a reason …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 07:05 PM
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Listen, this idea of "tradcon" is a relatively recent idea. 1.) You're gatekeeping the idea of tradcon in order to protect it from criticism and 2.) His background is heavily traditional. He went to the most traditional church congregation I have ever heard of. The women have to wear clothes that completely cover their entire legs and bodies. This is coming from me, a guy who grew up going to a Christian church for 20 years of my life, taught youth group lessons and played guitar for church serv…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:59 PM
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again, you're just showing your lack of knowledge and insight here. I'm going to level with you and say that, yes, not every aspect of our culture's departure from traditional values has been positive. However, traditional roles and expectations happened to be a net negative for my sister and it's fairly obvious how absurd it is, all memes and joking aside. We should be able to have a nuanced approach when we're talking about recreating societal norms. We don't just have to go "Oh well, there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:53 PM
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She worked two jobs to support her ex husband through school.. Should she have been working three or four?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:48 PM
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Did she have the same attitude as you and nag and complain and not support him? No, she silently and resolutely put up with his bullshit until she couldn't take it anymore and then divorced the guy. Just like I resolutely put up with smooth-brained idiots like you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:46 PM
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Also I'm certainly not a feminist, I just care about my sister and want the best for her lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:44 PM
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That is not a tradcon guy. Hahahaha I don't really need some random softbrain redditor to tell me about tradcons. The kid grew up in a puritan-like church where any time a kid expressed romantic interest the church would pressure them to get married. I also grew up in a church and was raised traditional and conservative, so spare me the "you don't know what tradcon is" speech. That being said, he could have been a narcissist slightly. Certainly not enough to qualify for the actual disorder thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:40 PM
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Don't become Chad, kids
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 05:18 PM
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My sister got married young to a traditional guy. Everything was about him. His education took precedence. His feelings mattered more. They're divorced now and she is a solid 3 years behind in her education. It just depends on the person she marries. If I could tell that the guy was unselfish and would love her, yeah I'd say go for it. Otherwise, just wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 05:08 PM
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I love the feeling of tension as long as it's a healthy amount. It's what makes the relationship fun and exciting. The mixed feelings of excitement and fear when I meet a girl and there's chemistry there. The unpredictability of the whole thing. Even heartbreak has positive aspects, such as the feeling that it was better to try than to be afraid to try. I'm in love with it all, so I see no reason to wish I was gay. I understand men quite a bit. I'm attracted to the mysterious and unpredictable a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 10:00 PM
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I don't measure my success based on how many ONS I can have with women, personally. I'm slightly above avg height and looks, pretty introverted and I still don't have much of an issue with women. I don't just do hobbies to break the ice with women though, I'm genuinely passionate about the activities I participate in. They're for ME.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 05:07 PM
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red/ black pill necessarily lead to a defeatist mindset if taken to their logical conclusions
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 05:23 PM
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I've met women that I can definitely empathize with, there's more grounds for empathy between men and women outside of sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 04:47 PM
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This is why men who fuck a lot of girls aren't alpha. I totally agree with your post here, we should absolutely be aspiring to higher values than sexual abundance. This is why our predecessors had it right -- choose one woman, love her for more than the sex she gives -- this opens you up to do more with your life than just chase tail.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 04:39 PM
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I've had so many lovers cry in my arms and I've never lost attraction from it Yeah the fact that men can get to this point is itself a frightening commentary on where we're at in society. So many women emotionally withdraw from men and behave in a cold manner towards them, and then are surprised when men react by showing more emotion. It's a natural response to emotional neglect. It is truly sad. But I couldn't ever really be completely submissive or dependent. It's just not my nature. Yeah, tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:43 PM
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I don't understand women who don't want their male SOs expressing their emotions. In general I don't feel that I can express certain things around certain girls because it's viewed as weakness. Even feelings for the girl! I don't really like it, but it's been mostly the case for me so far. Yeah I had a girlfriend for a while who wasn't the most feminine, but that crashed and burned for different reasons. I think in general, my love language is providing and I would probably need a girl who neede…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 05:34 PM
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But yeah, glad to help :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 05:11 PM
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The idea that men should only be stoic has really screwed up some males. Yeah this is definitely not always possible. I used to have a friend in college who would say to me "You're one stoic motherfucker." I thought it was hilarious. But in general, I did try to be a stable person, a guy that people could rely on. Staying stoic with no outlet whatsoever will definitely take its toll. Yeah of course! I would say that more specifically, I need a woman to be honest about her emotions with me. Guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 05:11 PM
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so I feel like they're just coming from some bizarre, warped point of view. Yeah I think many men don't know the difference between posturing as an asshole to protect themselves, and building up their competence in self defense through martial arts/fitness/etc. Someone who spends 10 hours a week sparring at the MMA gym is very likely to treat others with respect, because he has a healthy outlet for his anger and insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 04:57 PM
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Yeah, I think some guys want to be able to treat girls like their guy friends because that's how they view a healthy relationship. It takes time, effort, and searching to discover that this isn't the ideal way to treat a woman you're interested in. Even when you're out and about, the same principle applies. If someone is breaching the 'rules' that guide everyday society, than some guys will call that out as well. For example, a drunken stranger bothering your table will likely get a healthy dose…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 04:41 PM
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It's a way of bonding with other guys, because if they laugh off whatever you said then 1. You know they don't take themselves too seriously and 2. They can trust you to point out the obvious. It's not always the case, and usually the thing I'm talking about is during a sports activity that you'd do with strangers.. where you're all sort of trusting each other to play safely and by the rules (in hockey for example, guys can get really hurt)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 04:28 PM
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Yeah but I don't think certain men understand this dynamic because of how men treat each other vs. how men treat women. Some men think that it's normal to treat women like their guy friends lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 04:20 PM
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Yeah, I think when you first meet a woman -- that's definitely the wrong time to be brutally honest with them. I understand that, but being honest with each other allows us to grow together and work on our flaws. This is one of the main draws to even being in a relationship in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 03:56 PM
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No, although I suspect that attractive women are used to men lying to them to get in their pants.. So if I come along and am honest with them it will likely repulse them. That's just a pet theory of mine though, but in general I'm honest with many women in my life and there is a great amount of mutual respect in those relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 03:48 PM
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Doesn't sound like anything I'd want to do personally, but maybe it could work for others out there
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 05:29 AM
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You can't be too safe these days
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 04:04 AM
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It doesn't matter if I'd be willing to date a woke woman or not, there are so many roadblocks between a person who thinks that way and a middle of the road guy like myself, that it's just not practical to even try dating them. First of all, how are we going to avoid discussing politics? It's not possible, it's going to come up eventually. I can't imagine what it would be like if I said "I'm not a huge fan of Trump, but I view him as the best option in 2020." She'd probably just break up with me …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 11:20 PM
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Male -- Honesty is a MUST for my friends and even more so with a potential partner. Brutal honesty is preferable to pleasant lies. -- My bar for personality is definitely a degree of tenderness/sweetness. I'm a sucker for this kind of girl. -- Girls that worship me are a big turnoff, I do like when a girl plays hard to get (there's a limit where it becomes annoying though). -- Girls that have a goofy sense of humor make me weak in the knees -- Smart girls are really attractive to me too, like en…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 10:04 PM
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if she can draw breath amirite boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 10:04 PM
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r/iamverysmart
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 10:03 PM
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sssssssshhhhhh he doesn't know that online IQ tests aren't reliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 10:02 PM
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The third option. I'm not looking to be worshiped by girl #1, that's just boring in general. I want a woman who inspires me to improve, this necessarily means that she will find flaws in me and point them out. A woman whose single driving goal in life is to make me happy is a paradox anyways. A woman needs to make herself happy first and foremost. No man truly wants to be a woman's only source of happiness, because she'll be really needy. Girl #2 sucks for obvious reasons, you're basically not e…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:32 PM
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Damn she won't even suck it either
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/01/20 06:48 AM
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Fatter doesn't necessarily mean they've given up on themselves or a relationship. That's really sweet honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:41 AM
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I fell into this for a while, 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:56 PM
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Yeah I feel like there are better ways to filter out guys "just looking for sex" than a simple waiting period that a desperate guy would sit through regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:54 PM
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Yeah very true. I went from friendzone to FWB because of a single text I sent to a girl about the things I wanted to do to her. I wasn't sleazy about it though. I just sent it and then shut the fuck up about it. It didn't end up happening for ~3 months after I sent it. It's amazing what being cool about a situation can do for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:45 PM
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Men are way too focused on the sexual element, as evidenced in this thread. Also, many men let themselves go in a marriage and expect everything to remain the same. As a man, why would you expect a woman not to give up on you when you've given up on yourself and now only do the bare minimum? Women will still stay with a man in this scenario if the personal bond is strong enough anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:26 PM
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It's called an attractive man Or a man who simply refuses to give the girl any emotional intimacy, that man doesn't necessarily have to be attractive. I commented on that post, and my main point was that if the OP thought that men "expect" female sexuality with no "burden" attached, that maybe the OP was simply associating with the wrong kind of men. I never got a reply to that, and I don't expect I will.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 08:41 PM
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So men didn't just "take female sexuality" by outright raping women within these societies? Or, if they were prevented from inter-tribal rape, they never just took to other enemy tribes to rape women so that they did not have to be held accountable within their own tribe?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:09 AM
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I think we're just talking past each other
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:04 AM
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Well then you haven't proven me wrong, because I never made the argument that men always ruled tribes... of course the tribe would be sex-egalitarian , until the rise of kings/organized religion/governments of course
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:02 AM
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A lot of it is fucked, I'll agree with you there. I wasn't arguing that women were always subservient to men in every way. Sexually, it seems as though primitive men would have probably gotten away with sexual behavior that would land a guy in jail nowadays. Since sexuality was the focal point, I was focusing on the sexual dynamic of relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:59 AM
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You think that primitive humans were some sort of utopian sexual egalitarians? I've studied a bit of evolutionary biology and history, how is it that everything I've ever read suggests the direct opposite of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:56 AM
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I'm attempting to go back to the main point, which was that men expect female sexuality and no "burden" associated with it, i.e. they "give" nothing for it, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:54 AM
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I mean I know you think you're cute and funny and all that, but seriously.. If the wrong person walked behind me I would have been fired.. In the real world I don't get to go on retarded ass diatribes to defend myself. I get what you're saying, but it's such a basic thing for a sub to manage it's NSFW. You're not making any political statements by not doing your fucking job, you're just neglecting the people who sub here and putting them at risk.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/01/20 04:51 AM
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Did you even read the study? Or did you just accept the way the guardian filtered it and presented it to you because you agree with their framing? You didn't win anything, and clearly you don't understand what I'm actually saying. If I was limited to the guardian then I would gouge my eyes out... lmfao.. it's not a legitimate source of information 90% of the time now. Maybe it used to be. It's heavily biased
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:50 AM
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Also, speaking as a man, I strive not to only "take" from women, sexually or otherwise. Because I appreciate female sexuality, I feel as though it's only right to attempt to give something in return. It's not my fault if you associate with men who only wish to take from you, but I don't live my life that way. I'm saying the male instinct to provide is what men would normally give back. Like providing their emotional intimacy. There's not much else a guy can offer a woman, especially now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:44 AM
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Our results suggest that pair-bonding and increased sex egalitarianism in human evolutionary history may have had a transformative effect on human social organization This was from the abstract of the study the guardian cited. It refers to men and women both having an equal say in the "tribe," it didn't say anything about interpersonal relationships. I would hazard a guess and say that because men tend to be quite stronger than women, that there was probably some fucked up dynamics going on ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:39 AM
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Yes but are those the same type of activity?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:37 AM
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You trying to get people fired or what
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/01/20 04:02 AM
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Yeah I relate alot with the emotional connection part. I've been arguing a lot with TRP guys on the fact that it's much more fulfilling having sex qith a woman you could see yourself with, who you at least have the potential to love (if you don't love them already) and guys will accuse me for having low T for saying that. And then I reply and say I have a high sex drive, but my hands do the job just fine lmao. I want more from a relationship than just emptry sex. I really hope we see a move back…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:53 AM
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Think about the span of time that human evolution encompasses, and the division of labor between men and women. It seems being a hunter-gatherer, and providing for offspring is pretty biological. It seems to me that being a provider is something women still very much expect from men, which is fine. However what some women expect in "exchange" for their sexuality is often bewildering to men, so they give up trying. I'm not one to give up, personally. This has just been my observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:38 AM
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I'm not against it actually, a lot of it seems to weed out the fuck boys which can only be a good thing for you. It's just that I've lurked the sub but can't post there (due to my Y chromosome), so this is one of the only places I can talk to people who participate in it.. Which is why I'm interested in your perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 11:02 PM
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Yeah I agree with you on those counts. If you have found yourself taken advantage of when having sex too early, of course it's reasonable to have a time rule. I see some people on that subreddit drinking up the cool aid really hard, even with comments by people "higher on the ladder" in the FDS world. Glad to see that you're not one of those people
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 10:50 PM
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Yeah I didn't really engage her point though. She's right that TRP chases the idea of being Chad.. The ideal relationship will always have a bit of providership as well as sexual tension and attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:45 PM
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My point more broadly is that some of the rules and pieces of advice are less valuable than others, or leave more room for an eligible man to be rejected. I think FDS filtered through a woman with a critical eye is almost certainly going to give good results. I think the rules just need to be balanced a bit with the realities of modernity. It seems like FDS really likes traditional masculinity, even though it is being continually shamed and punished in men. If you strictly adhere to the rules an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:58 PM
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Women want the benefits of the male provider without any of the burdens.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:54 PM
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I was reading this post, and if you Ctrl+F for "musician" and you can see all of the instances where it's mentioned. It wasn't a "rule" but it is seen as a "career" with a higher proportion of LVM. I guess there's a distinction between being ONLY a musician and being a musician + having a more lucrative career. I just think that there's room for confusion there. It was just something that raised some questions. Whereas in a non-FDS interaction, many women know that men have passions outside of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:52 PM
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By one year in I meant that I'm graduated and 1 year into a career. Regardless, "musician" doesn't encompass my entire identity. In fact, most of my close friends who are also musicians who play/have played in bands have successful careers and families outside of their musicianship. I would think FDS would praise a man who was able to have a sucessful career AND play in a band/compose music. It's just like anything, you can adhere to it religiously and follow every rule to the letter, or you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:01 PM
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Yeah we really do. I came across advice that said to focus less on what you hear during sex (moans, screams, etc) and more on how her body reacts as a whole. Last time I did this it seemed to go well. Would you say this is good advice? Only because vocal signals are so easily faked..
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:43 PM
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As a guy, some of FDS (Not dating musicians, artists, photographers, etc) I find to be really silly and unhelpful. I would consider myself a musician, I love music and have played it all my life. Mostly I do it for my own enjoyment and for others' enjoyment. I'm also a computer scientist with a decent paying job (only 1 year in too). But if I had led with "I play music a lot" you'd dismiss me on that count? Yeah, a bit baffling.. On the other hand, a lot of FDS makes sense and some of it is redp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:39 PM
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Some women say they can have orgasms from PIV alone and I believe them but personally it's never happened for me. Yeah this complicates the situation even more. I really love when girls know what they want in bed. It takes so much of the pressure off if I have a general premise to go off of
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:28 PM
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Yeah it's definitely not. Lately I've been trying to pick up on signals other than vocalizations. In my mind her legs shaking, goosebumps, etc seem like pretty good signs that I was doing things right. As a guy who genuinely just wants the girl to enjoy herself, and not in a shallow way like "oh I really got her off LUL I'm so gud at sex" but ACTUALLY make the whole thing worth the time for both of us, I really appreciate the advice
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:25 PM
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right right. I mean I've had girls come from straight PIV, but only after a lot of "work" on the clitoris. Unless they were REALLY convincing fakers. I always knew it (the clitoris) was important but I never had it put so frankly that PIV feels like "nothing." Probably something I should have known already lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:19 PM
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I guess my question is what factors differentiate sex that feels like nothing/pain from sex that feels good?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:14 PM
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When there is nothing unpredictable or surprising about the person. They like generic music, generic entertainment, do generic things, speak in generic ways, have generic thoughts. Basically don't be an NPC
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:11 PM
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Friends are different than being cold approached by a man obviously looking to pick women up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:10 PM
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Yeah I definitely don't see things like this either. In fact many of the women I know have been burned by these "dark triad" traits, and are either single despite the fact that they could have continued to be with this sort of man, or they are in solid LTRs with what TRP would consider "betas" who don't identify with this sort of behavior at all
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:09 PM
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So when you feel something that's not pain, you've had to build up to that point? Is that part more mental then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:07 PM
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It's just introversion
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:53 PM
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I also think men really don't understand how often PIV literally just feels like nothing, and how often it can actually be painful. I'd be interested in an elaboration of "feels like nothing." Is this a mental thing? To me, every single experience has felt good, at least physically. Clearly I don't understand haha
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:51 PM
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Yeah but of course there will be bad women. I've encountered ppl who seem to genuinely believe most/all women see criminals as more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:29 PM
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Is sex the basis for everything? No, obviously not. It's an important component of a healthy relationship. There are countless sexual undertones in life, but there are higher values than sex that people aspire to as well. Has sexual liberation forced everyone into a power play for sex? It has certainly forced a great many people into the mindset that they must make their whole life a power play for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:04 PM
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wise, stoic, and somber thinkers AND ferocious uncontrollable animals Women may get trapped by the ferocious animals, but they seldom enjoy their time with them because these men are likely to harm and abuse them. The problem is that many men think being harmless is a virtue and they expect to be congratulated for it. This will make women as dry as the Sahara. I just started a martial art, BJJ, I'm only a week in and I already realize that my whole life I've wanted to avoid being a confident fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:57 PM
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Many people here acknowledge that Chad is not real. The mental image I get of Chad is a muscle bound dude whose tall and handsome. Some women aren't attracted to that type of guy, so there'd be many different types of "Chads" depending on the preferences of women. It's a creation more suited to the male psyche, so that's where it thrives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:39 PM
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you aren’t Chad. I may not be Chad, in fact I'm probably 7/10 but I've still been chased by multiple women at once. The fact is that at those times, I wasn't chasing tail. I was kicking ass at life, going to school, earning my degree, working out, playing hockey, playing in bands, I wasn't the best at any of these things either, but I was just doing things that I loved to do. You don't have to be a 250lb muscle bound monster for girls to chase you. Women have preferences in men other than these …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:34 PM
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TRP seem to think women love criminals, it's always been one of the more bewildering ideas I've come across. I really don't get it, nor do I agree with the assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:16 PM
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Yeah I meant numbed down in the psychological sense. The pleasure itself is just as intense, I just find the pleasure is enhanced the more attached I am to the girl
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:53 PM
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It has nothing to do with that. The pleasure is there, it feels the same as when I was 18. The difference is my mind is bored with meaningless sex. I can jerk off, it doesn't make a difference if I feel more affection for my right hand than I do for the girl I'm fucking. It just makes me apathetic. I'd rather like the girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:47 PM
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To me it's nearly the same, especially if you're feeling particularly numbed down to physical pleasures.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:38 PM
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The point I'm making is that the feeling of sex coupled with a deep connection just intensifies the experience and makes it far better than casual sex with a stranger, in my mind anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:06 PM
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Yeah so is drinking alcohol. It says nothing about it's actual value to your life
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:58 PM
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I definitely feel this way. I've had sex with girls I wasn't into emotionally but I've generally left that behind because I really like the bonding aspect of sex. Maybe I'm just an uncommon dude lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:31 PM
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Yeah but my best advice is, everyone knows their weak spots. It's just that admitting to your weaknesses means you'd have to do something about it. Which none of us want to do. I'd say that's a good place to start. Example from my life: video games. I love them. I don't want to give them up but I've needed to drastically cut back on the time I spend on them. So I fill the time with other activities to keep me healthy and happy. I've always had an aversion to fighting. I always thought it was pri…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 03:25 PM
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I'll concede that point. I think some women just don't realize that that's what's actually happening. It makes sense, people who are extroverted use body language in a way that's second nature to them. I tend to overthink so I'm very conscious of when a girl touches me or I touch her even if it's subtle. Getting better though EDIT: I'm also slightly more introverted than extroverted, so that doesn't help me here either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 03:18 PM
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Yeah, dating isn't easy but you have to get through resentment and begin to see women as humans again, rather than view them through the lens of past hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 01:35 AM
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haha I even resisted the advice at first but that day it stuck with me and I realized that's what I had done before every time I ever got with a girl and realized you were right. Still had a bit of lingering feminist propaganda in my brain lol WHOOPS
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 10:10 PM
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WEEEEELL thank ya very much for the good advice :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 10:00 PM
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All I said is that I grew up skeptical of men. Does that imply mental illness on my part? I fail to see how you're drawing your conclusions here. Going for Ad-homs is always an easy way to win an argument, I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:59 PM
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I don't hate men at all. I love myself, for one. I love my father, I've forgiven him within myself and have moved forward loving him as best I can. However I am averse to authority figures in general more than anything. I am critical of everyone who claims authority regardless of gender. Guys with an inflated ego annoy me the most, that's the sense I got from some of the MGTOW YTers. I admit that TRP theory itself does make sense sometimes, but I think the way people interpret and use it to deba…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:57 PM
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I'm not sure if you were the OP of the post. I looked thru your history and didn't see the one. Even so, if you were, then ty :]
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:41 PM
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ultimately, all of these self-improvement techniques must always be done. Therefore it's useless to think of them in terms of desired outcomes. Meaning that no matter what, if women come and go, you will still be dedicated to improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:38 PM
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By being honest with myself. It hurt to be cheated on, but I knew deep down that even if it was 100% her fault (which it wasn't) that I couldn't live my life based on that pain and resentment. Being cheated on didn't mean that all women will always cheat on me. It didn't mean that there was something inherently wrong with me either. Trying to explain the process of healing and learning to love yourself is quite hard. I'm very open with myself, and I've been able to be my own therapist, and an ef…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:24 PM
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I'm just not interested in taking the pill full stop. Everything must be a balance. TRP is too out of balance, and I can tell that based on its adherents. It's an ideology, just like any other. I have no need for ideologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:13 PM
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Within the framework you've provided, yes, you're correct. I just happen to reject that simply getting laid is a good goal to have on its own. Certainly, getting laid in conjunction with other (more important) things is something I pursue. I tend to find sex is better with people you care deeply for, that's just my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:11 PM
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see my other reply
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:10 PM
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Can you elab what exactly was your situqtion and how did you proceed? My situation was complicated. When I first started getting exposed to TRP I had gone through a breakup and other hard times. I was down and out, and TRP provided me with some cathartic outlet for my frustrations. I just started blaming all women for a while. But over time my resentment for my ex faded. She had cheated on me, but I had realized that I had been neglecting her emotionally before that ever happened. I was being a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:06 PM
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I listen to advice all the time, I just happen to find that TRP advice is not worth following. It's more of a broken clock situation when they say anything useful at all. That doesn't mean I'm going to continue to subject myself to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 08:57 PM
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Is that all TRP is saying? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 08:55 PM
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True. However I don't agree with them or with you, so the distinction hardly matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 08:55 PM
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it's not good advice if you're looking to live your life according to conscience and higher meaning. I think putting getting laid above living a moral life is absolutely degenerated and harmful advice, absolutely. So at least we can agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 08:54 PM
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This conversation has gone far off the rails of useful or productive. No, I don't just absorb your retarded propaganda. My father is just part of the reason I'm able to recognize it as such
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 08:52 PM
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Also TRPs idea of an Alpha/Beta dichotomy is highly misleading. "Chad" is not somebody that anyone should ever want to be. I could go on
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:30 PM
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Well they claim to be TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:29 PM
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Also TRP advice about telling a bunch of white lies to get laid. That's underhanded tactics. I don't believe in lying 98% of the time. The last 2% is a lie for the greater good/benefit of others, and it's a grey area anyways. EDIT: This is actually PUA advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:28 PM
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nearly all MGTOW advice does not apply to me or appeal to me. I'm never going to buy hookers, it's just not something I'd be cool with. Also, I'm 27. I'm not a bitter old man whose had 3 divorces and shit like that. Therefore it's bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:26 PM
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For example, if I presented you with 15 pieces of advice all at once. 5 of those were solid advice, and 10 were bad pieces of advice. A viewer is likely to dismiss all of the advice on the basis that most of it is bad advice and therefore ALL the advice given is suspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:24 PM
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I guess you could blame me instead of criticize the ideology. That's what an ideologue would do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:23 PM
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It could have been said by a man in a way that I would have listened to too. It didn't help that my primary intro to TRP was MGTOW. They aren't interested as much in the pursuit of women anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:04 PM
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I probably did come across that information while watching TRP videos. There are two problems though Problem 1: why do you care about the source of this information? Why would it matter if I got it from TRP or a female purple pilled redditor? If you actually cared, you'd not care WHERE I got this piece of good advice, but simply that I had received it and benefited from it. Problem 2: The presentation of information matters more than the information itself. Many TRP personalities on YT (the main…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:56 PM
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It's this kind of close minded bullshit that just makes me think TRP is a bunch of douchebags. I grew up with a father who had mental health issues. Half the shit he said could not be trusted. Therefore I've always been more skeptical of what men say. I'm very good at picking up on manipulative tactics used by men, and a dozen alarms go off in my head every time one of you fuckheads opens your mouth. The main problem is that this "good advice" may very well be in the canon of TRP and PUA advice.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:53 PM
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I think the biggest reason is I'm naturally more skeptical of what men say. Men tend to say a lot of shit, whereas women hardly give advice, and when they do I feel like it's better thought out. That's just been my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:43 PM
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Escalate and make things sexual. Also when a guy says this it just tends to come off differently. As a guy I see another guy say that and think "well maybe that works for YOU." I'm not really a normal dude though, my brain is just wired differently, maybe it's because I'm left handed lmao EDIT: spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:40 PM
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I don't consume PUA content, because I'm not looking to be that sort of guy. The majority of TRP content I was exposed to was MGTOW. The fact that the purple pill woman I got the advice from was genuinely looking to give advice out of her own frustration with "good men" just made it click in my head. A bunch of cringe guys who think they're the hot shit isn't convincing to me. To hear a woman say it just made it seem real.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:39 PM
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and all of TRP advice just seemed really creepy and disingenuous to me, stuff that I would never allow myself to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:19 PM
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All TRP content that I absorbed just fed my resentment which made me not want to bother at all and give up
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:18 PM
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Yeah I agree. I've even got solid dating advice [that worked] from the women in this sub. If I would have continued to listen to TRP I never would have gotten a date with the girl I like. Or if I did I would have remained too cynical to treat her well and give her what she needed. A+ ​ EDIT: I'll be specific: there was a post about "what nice guys tend to miss when attracting women" and I read it. The biggest suggestion was that nice guys often overlook creating sexual tension. It hit me that I …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 04:43 PM
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we want intimacy and sex is just a shortcut to it. Agreed. Sex is a cheap placeholder for that connection that everyone wants, but only women seem to acknowledge it -- sometimes only nominally. if you already value yourself, having easy casual sex isnt going to give you anything. I've definitely had this experience. For the most part I'm at peace, and I don't need to take anything from women. Sex is waaaaay more fun when there's a romantic component outside of sex anyways. Casual sex just leaves…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 07:36 PM
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I will say that there was a time when I got too involved in casual sex. I got what I thought I wanted, a bunch of casual sex. Problem was, ever since I was a child I just wanted to get really close to one girl. I wanted the traditional thing on a deeper level. I got to a point where I barely recognized myself. I hated myself and how I acted towards women.. Regardless of how they treated me, I could not justify hurting them emotionally like I was doing. That's why I don't sleep around lightly any…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 04:43 PM
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Yeah just don't put all those feelings on the girl, they're yours to own this early in a potential relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 03:47 PM
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Okay so "a blogger thinks so"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 12:59 AM
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And your basis for this assertion is....?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 12:49 AM
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I don't think the fall is inevitable. It is a possibility, nothing more. The discussion at hand is TRP's deceptive and dubious terminology, which can really only contribute to the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 07:42 PM
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It just seems like they're just trying to redefine masculinity as your N-count
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 07:39 PM
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Yeah that's true. I do genuinely feel some sympathy for women in that situation, while I also acknowledge that they made choices which landed them in that situation. Even if one of those choices was not dealing with past trauma and baggage. I do feel the worst about that type of situation: Women with absent fathers who really don't have a good sense for what a "good man" for them actually is. It's tragic that it's just a spiral of never being loved by a man that's also a self-fulfilling prophesy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 06:18 PM
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So I'm 27M, live in the US (midwest). I tend to keep to tight-knit social circles, so I don't meet as many women as I probably could. However, I've still met quite a few really attractive girls through friends. I had one hookup with a girl I was looking to date, and within the past year I've met 4 different girls who I could see myself in an LTR with. There's a few other girls who I'm not really attracted to that apparantly want hookups too but that doesn't mean a whole lot. It's working great f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 06:11 PM
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This is more a sign of poor judgement and daddy issues, but with some women it is totally true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:45 PM
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Yeah I'm thinking of one of my longtime friends who married a nurse, she definitely provides more income than him and they're doing alright. Since the money question is just a single variable, it makes sense that some women will overlook it in order to have a LTR, given that they want one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:41 PM
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that advice is a joke though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:27 PM
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ACTUAL advice is don't let the little brain do the thinking for the big brain. Too bad all TRP is is little brain thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:25 PM
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Sounds like he's already taken TRP advice. He's "alpha" right? because he can fuck a girl with no strings attached? Meanwhile all he's doing is creating problems for others to solve. My advice? yeah just keep being "alpha" bro and keep fathering illegitimate children that you have no intention of being involved with. What a Chad, I wish I could be like him god I'd give both my nuts to be this cool
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:23 PM
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I'm not saying he has to do anything. I'm saying that everyone is better off when shit like this doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:18 PM
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but a bunch of men and women "getting action" is not really doing much for the human race other than producing transient dopamine highs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:15 PM
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The problem I never see any of you question beyond your surface level assertions. You never ask WHY women are attracted to these traits in men. The answer comes back to evolution, it's because these are MARKERS for good genes. It's about the fitness of the woman's offspring, or at least this is the subconscious drive behind these preferences. Therefore, if a man has "okay" genes, but also will help raise his children, he can make up for not having the good genes and can produce successful offspr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:05 PM
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When a man is operating in his true nature, his masculine, it is in his nature to provide for his woman and his offspring. He is the hunter gatherer. The alpha. This is how it has been for all of human history. I fully agree. TRP loves to distort meanings and use deceptive terms to push their ideology. However if there weren't so much male resentment as a response to being held down by feminism, there wouldn't have been this opening for TRP in the first place. Providers are alpha because they pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 04:57 PM
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it's really hard to tell to be honest. It becomes a subjective matter after a certain point
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 04:49 PM
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haha well gender politics surely effects them whether they dwell on it or not
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 04:49 PM
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Both my grandfathers are dead
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 04:48 PM
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yeah, which is where TRP goes wrong. I think they are trying to define "alpha" as universal when humans clearly don't work this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 04:47 PM
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The kid just ends up losing out in this situation because they're gonna grow up without a father. The kid is going to be measurably worse off as a result. So yeah, writing that off just makes you come off like an asshole. But I guess keep being like "I'm so cool, I don't care about anything" on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 04:46 PM
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so if rich people do fucked up shit then that means us mere mortals can also do it to be like our betters, right? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 04:40 PM
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People's prima-facie interpretation of it matters, does it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 03:51 PM
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"Alpha dick always works"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 07:19 PM
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until dat dick don't work no mo
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 07:14 PM
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It's a deceptive term, just like all of the other TRP terms. That's what I've always taken issue with. You say: "All women are like that" but then when challenged on the prima-facie interpretation of the term you then say "WELL we don't actually mean ALL women, just MOST women who aren't X, Y, Z, that a man who is having casual sex is likely to encounter" Your shorthand needs to reflect the true meaning of what it is intended to convey, that's why it's largely useless. EDIT - spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 07:12 PM
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I've found that the times where I was "not trying" and was being genuinely & effortlessly myself, I automatically attracted women and had chances for LTRs. The times where I developed a crush too early, yeah those times never worked out for me outside of MAYBE one hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 07:03 PM
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That guys are stereotyped as the cheating gender, when I feel like women cheat just as often now
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:55 PM
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Personally his ideas helped me through a really rough patch in life. I really needed a kick in the ass, and to refocus my vision. I used to study Psych as well, so I've found his online lecture content really interesting. He's a bit sensational when it comes to political topics, but overall I think he's a pretty reasonable guy. That being said, I'm not a fan of Rubin, Shapiro, or the neocon crowd. I generally see them as grifters of the free speech movement, but they helped de-radicalize me from…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:52 PM
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That women date "across" and "up" dominance hierarchies. It's akin the "Alpha" concept, but more refined. Perhaps because he actually knows what he's talking about when it comes to a woman's psyche. It helps that he's not just an armchair social scientist like TRP. He actually knows evolutionary psychology, which makes him worlds more reliable than any TRP ideologue I've ever spoken to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:49 PM
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I think TRP likes to ignore exceptions to their ideas, just like any other ideology. I grew up Christian, I know many of those girls are not doing the "cc" thing already. So I know AWALT only applies with constraints on who is included in "all"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:42 PM
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I haven’t seen very many ‘good men’ on this sub anyway. Yeah they're pretty rare
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:39 PM
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I'm a btw too
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 07:41 PM
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An addictive personality, for example
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 07:09 PM
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Yeah your point is well taken btwbtw
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 07:09 PM
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Yooo OSRS?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 07:09 PM
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I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "much easier" to change your personality. If it was, I doubt so many people would need therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 06:57 PM
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Hahahah "work on personality" that's hilarious. If the dude doesn't have to be remotely interesting to get laid, why the hell would he change anything about himself? He'll never need to
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:36 PM
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They all want it and will always want it. This sounds more like your particular belief than a fact that anyone could ever prove. I'm skeptical of anyone who thinks they have a universal answer to a question. Also, I want and will always want to be able to eat candy for breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day and still be healthy. The problem is, if I do it, I'll be making my life miserable. And yeah, I bet you make the sorry girls you fuck miserable in the long run too. If they want you, then I j…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 06:25 AM
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So you're a MGTOW ideologue. I just happen not to be one of those. I don't resent people for the choices they make. I'm saying, if you actually cared about making the world any better you wouldn't make those types of choices. I've had opportunities to fuck women in relationships, and I never did. Why? Because I don't like my dick lead me around like a fucking ape, and I think about the effect my actions will have beyond the 3 second dopamine rush I get when I ejaculate.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 06:16 AM
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You said all my comments are shit, basically. I'm just offering a different perspective than you do. The guy doesn't have to take my fucking advice if he thinks it's shit.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 06:13 AM
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I mean women have been encouraged against having families ever since I can remember (2000's and up). Add birth control into the mix, which is widely prescribed and can fuck with women's sexual preferences in men, and feminism, and you've got a whole soup of weirdness that we still don't fully understand in terms of its full effect. My point is, sure you can lay a fair share of blame on women, but it's not like we can say TRP explanation is the sole truth when it comes to understanding the phenom…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 06:12 AM
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I don't give them a complete pass, but they've basically been coddled and encouraged to do these things. I can't empathize with them in this instance because I've worked my ass off for everything that I've accomplished. However, I made a drug analogy that I really like. This sort of activity obviously doesn't make women happy in the long run. I don't see why I should resent a girl for having a lot of sex? Especially if she doesn't have an entitlement complex, and has come to the realization that…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 06:07 AM
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I wouldn't be on this sub if I didn't think that commitment is often a shitty deal for men. The point is that giving up on pair bonding altogether is not an option if we want happy, healthy children and stable generations in the future. Those men you're "cucking" are actually the ones trying to be decent humans while you're back here making excuses and rationalizations for why you don't suck when you clearly do. It doesn't matter if they'd "just cheat with someone else." If nobody thought like y…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 06:01 AM
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You came at me first. I doubt you noticed it, it was a subtle error. It's okay.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 05:57 AM
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It's like, you think that all women are like the pieces of shit you apparently attract (which is an anecdote). Then, you take your cynical point of view and apply it to every situation ever. Logic just isn't on your side here buddy. Yeah, there are shitty women out there who cheat and lie, and there's also good women out there who end up staying with their man and create families and all that. No situation is perfect, but come on... In real life people settle for less than they think they deserv…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 05:54 AM
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So you've proven I got lazy and didn't feel like retyping the whole thing. Congratulations, you win?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 05:46 AM
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I'm not white knighting, I said you were PARTIALLY responsible -- which you are. So because of men like you, you don't date? You're making more and more sense the more we talk. I'm really enjoying this lmao
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 05:43 AM
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The beginning letter of any sentence is capitalized you neanderthal.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 05:39 AM
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"The new reality of society" is just your excuse for being a piece of shit. Just own it. Your justifications aren't redeeming you here. You know nothing about me or the relationships I've had, nor is there any part of me that feels the need to defend myself against your idiotic imagination. I love coffee, I smell it every morning
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 05:38 AM
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Keep making the world a better place lmao..
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 05:24 AM
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it's douches like you with no morals contributing to the problem then being all jaded about it like a true retard. You're half the problem you claim to care so much about
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 05:15 AM
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With women that have slept around* learn how to use grammar, then maybe I'll take your criticisms seriously.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/20 05:11 AM
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That's the way I see it. The guys on this sub are quick to strip the agency from the girl, even though she's dating the kind of guys that they'd say she "should" date (non-Chads, willing to commit, good potential fathers, etc). If the girl is actively choosing me, and isn't cheating, I just don't see the problem. Especially if I could get her off anyways.. Yeah that word ~exciting is being equated to a whole bunch of shit. Just seems more like a complex in TRP hive mind. Like "oh that must mean …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/01/20 08:53 PM
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I think about it this way: college was fun, more exciting than my life now. I partied and did drugs ans shit. Slept around. Would I go back? Hell no
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/01/20 12:16 AM
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Who knows what she meant. We're all assuming she means that sex with OP isn't exciting at all
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/01/20 12:03 AM
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Providers are far more valuable in the context of society and family anyways. I agree with you that the relationship should not be completely devoid of sexual attraction though, so if that's what the girl meant, then yeah I'd be out too. But that's not quite what was said. So I think he should at least ask the girl if that's what she actually meant
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 10:10 PM
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also the full context is "not exciting at all, but make up for it by being nice, sweet and caring" So it sounds like she prefers OP to her previous options and, I still suspect she exaggerated this to try and relate to her friend who was in the thick of it with her douchey ex. Also I think you're looking at it from a dude's point of view. Do women really value excitement as much as men do? I mean it doesn't make or break the argument but it's an interesting aside
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 10:06 PM
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Is it really settling if the other men were never a real option to begin with? Because we acknowledge that those men aren't options for women seeking LTRs. considering this, it seems like you would be able to say that 99% of women "settle"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 10:03 PM
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I just don't see it as that much of an affront. The way I read the "excitement" part of what the girl said was the excitement of fucking a stranger, the danger element of it. Of course a girl you're in a relationship with should not feel in constant danger with you. What do you expect to happen? That's the whole point of pair bonding lmfao... I don't understand you people sometimes
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 10:01 PM
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But the girl didn't say she never orgasms lmfao
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 09:58 PM
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If it was a dead bedroom, I wouldn't stay. Maybe that's what the girl was implying but I didn't read it that way
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 09:57 PM
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LOL -- So now that I've been honest, give me your justification for why you'd dump the girl, despite the fact that all she did was trigger you with her honesty?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 09:55 PM
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How can you expect me to answer that question? I don't even know the girl. I'll answer a different question though: If there was a girl I loved, and she had never cheated on me, and I trusted her enough to know that she probably never would, and I overheard her say that, yeah I probably would stay with that girl. As long as she was willing to be honest with me about it, I don't think that it's something that's impossible to work through. The point is I'm not going to sit here and wish I was some…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 09:52 PM
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Yeah I'll give you the fact that that's a really harsh wording. I think she could have been exaggerating to relate to her friend (for affect), but I guess if I were in OP's shoes I definitely wouldn't assume this as the case. However I would still attempt to talk to her about it. But then again I prefer brutal honesty to blissful ignorance myself.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 09:32 PM
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her words: "the fact that they're exciting doesn't mean they're worth dating, even though they can be addictive. " She's actually on your side. She was attempting to relate to her friend who ran into her ex. She was trying to convince her friend Lucy to do the same as she did. Does this not imply that she's happier now than she was before? Otherwise wouldn't she be saying "oh yeah don't stop chasing those exciting douchebros" or however you want to put it. If it wasn't for coke's negative side a…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 08:55 PM
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lol I guess I'm billy beta now. My point wasn't that her age is what made her a good lay. I said that her age was pretty irrelevant. She's youthful in all the ways that matter...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:47 PM
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Sure not the ONLY way, but in THIS case it is what she is referring too. This isn't necessarily the case, though with the context I do agree that it's the most likely explanation. This does not mean that there is no way to make up for that lack of excitement in other ways. But we can grant this point as it doesn't undermine my argument. People may not be explicitly saying that, but I think it's the suggestion behind all of the "advice" in the comments. sort of like an "if you can't beat 'em, joi…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 07:38 PM
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She got sex from guys who were much more higher value then her I understand TRP ideological interpretation of the situation, but I don't believe for a second that the ONLY way for a guy to be "exciting" is the way in which you describe. I'm not suggesting he be a dancing monkey. But what commenters are saying is that he ought to turn into a douchebag and start acting like his current girlfriend is his "3rd choice" -- this will not help anything either. An average guy can "sweep a girl off her fe…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 07:06 PM
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I definitely agree with this. I'm 27M and I just had a thing with a 31 year old girl (oldest girl I've ever been with) and the sex was probably top 10 of my life. Granted, I could see how she would have trouble "competing" with younger women. However to me she is just as attractive as the girls I dated in my early 20's were to me then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 06:35 PM
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I mean if he asked her and she said "there's nothing we could do to make this more exciting" then I'd be inclined to agree that maybe he should reconsider the relationship. The feeling of danger and excitement is not exclusive to "dangerous men." And if she doesn't want to date that type of man anymore (clearly she would still be dating them if she wanted to) then maybe she can find that "excitement" in other activities. Everyone in the comments are like "oMg AWALT," you're using this man's quer…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 05:58 PM
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I'm going to attempt to give some real advice which is be honest with her. If you like her, you should be able to talk about it. Maybe you can just ask her if there's anything you two can do to mix things up a bit and make the relationship more exciting.. There's plenty of activities outside of sex that can be fun and have a tolerable degree of "risk" to them. I know this sub will take "excitement" as a euphemism for "fucking dangerous Chads" or whatever, but launching yourself into the air off …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 05:29 PM
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How could someone not "wise up" after seeing something like this? lol I mean I know some guys don't but come on.... paying 2k a month for some rando ass girl? yeah right
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/20 05:19 PM
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Not surprising.. This man will pander to any half-baked idea if it will get him votes. Even though I doubt he would actually try and change jurisprudence in the US, we have to take the man at his word. We can't afford to risk the human rights protections that we have, or we all know what will follow..
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 04:26 PM
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The way I think about it is: Being myself means not preempting my actions based on my idea of what the people around me will think. In other words, not bending to their expectations of who I should be. Then again, I'm not really into hookups, and I generally am looking for genuine friends. You can't really be yourself if you just want to "get sex" from the person you're pursuing. If you want the person to truly get an idea of who you are, then you have to be honest about yourself even if it mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 04:15 PM
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Hahaha touché
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 09:35 PM
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"Shit I'm so sorry, I'm 5'11'' "
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/01/20 05:04 AM
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I'm 27 and if I followed the advice on this sub I'd probably never get laid again. Most of the time I'm just arguing with the really far gone TRP ideologues. Maybe I don't count as "young people" now :X
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 03:58 AM
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You know what I call girls with HSV? Friends
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/01/20 03:52 AM
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Yeah it definitely depends on the woman. I was with a girl who rarely ever said what she wanted in bed. Another girl I was recently with basically narrated what she wanted during sex. It just depends on the dynamic. It's not easy sometimes, but if you pay enough attention to things like the girl's noises during sex (how involuntary do they sound?) or her body's reaction (goosebumps, shaking, etc) are generally easy ways of figuring out if she's enjoying it without any verbal communication
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 05:59 PM
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Yeah I know you personally didn't. That particular comment was more directed at OP's advice
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 05:45 PM
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The only form of validation that means anything to me, as a man, is whether you have character or not. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to respect some idiot just because he gets laid a lot. Maybe I'm an exception to the rule, but the whole premise that it's a good idea to tell people to start sleeping with people's wives sound like retarded advice from my perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 05:31 PM
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There is a difference between introversion and antisocial behavior... And yes, it's easier to date if you're extroverted for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 05:16 PM
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We'd have to assume that in order to evolve from primates, female selection would have had to heavily favor intelligence. I think the pattern we're talking about here is about the diminishing returns that intelligence may have for certain men in terms of their sexual market value. So a man with 100IQ who is stunningly attractive will have a much easier time in the SMP than a man slightly above average looks wise with 130 IQ. This would actually be a fascinating topic for a study, if it hasn't al…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 04:01 PM
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Fair enough, I'm still skeptical of the claim you're making. I've found that a connection of personality and intelligence can feed the sexual connection and vise versa. Certainly there are dead bedrooms out there. You honestly think that's what happens in the majority of LTRs? What basis do you have for this claim outside of your own opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 07:45 PM
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I'm not saying that. The claim that "every LTR implodes" is obviously false. There are cointless counterexamples to this. Married couples end up together until one or both of them dies. Both sets of my grandparents were this way, most of my aunts and uncles. It's just obviously absurd. Some relationships do implode horribly but there's no way that "all of them" do
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 07:17 PM
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Lol you're so deluded it's incredible
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 06:56 PM
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It's not an inevitability. And I accept that anything can happen. I'm not conerned with that, when that happens I'll just start looking for the next one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 05:54 PM
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The point of us all being here is to engage with each other. It's no skin off my back if you want to be closed minded, but I'm going to call you out all day for it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 04:11 PM
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You said "all men would cheat on their SO's if they could" which is simply not true. The fact that "you think" it's true means fuckall
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:56 PM
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You'd have a hell of a time proving your statement true, whereas myself and OP have already stated counter examples to this vast generalization you're making
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:47 PM
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It's a waste of time trying to convince these guys that not all men think the way they do. I want a deep connection with a woman, and if I found a girl like that, I would never screw it up just for some meaningless sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:46 PM
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This is a lie and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:43 PM
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You are applying Jargon from one domain into the domain of TRP, expecting the same concepts to translate. That just doesn't work. TRP is taking terms that have scientific validity in evolutionary biology (a field where the terms are not used to describe humans) and applying them to humans. Am I just supposed to believe that this was a total accident? That it was not the intention all along to attempt to apply the concept to humans as a crossover term from evolutionary biology? If that's really w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 08:12 PM
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Why don't you point out the error in MY logic, where do you think my criticism goes wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:52 PM
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Please point out where I'm straw manning? Also, I love how every time I criticise an idea that I've absorbed from redpill content, all of the sudden "the red pill doesn't believe this." This is THE ONLY answer I ever get when trying to engage with TRP folks. So it seems as though you don't actually have any beliefs at all and just espouse whatever set of ideas are convenient at the time. You cannot escape the fact that "Alpha" and "Beta" have a false veneer of validity because they are terms sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:44 PM
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The whole point of value being implicit is that you will never have to specify the value assignments, people will do that for you when they consume your ideas. This way, you get to act innocent even though you are perpetuating the degenerated ideas and concepts
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:35 PM
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Seems like a conveniet excuse to disregard criticism without engaging with it. I don't care if TRP doesn't take that position, that is the connotation conveyed by the concept. It's implicit, and you know that is how the words "beta" and "alpha" are percieved. You're just running interference for your ideology. That is why you will always come off as cowardly, while you run from discussion and criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:32 PM
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Yes because neither you nor anyone else can provide satisfactory answers to the question. Furthermore, there is an implicit value to being an "Alpha" and an implicit shame in being a "beta." Whereas in reality the people who fit descriptions of "Alpha" are no more likely to be happy or fulfilled than the people who fit the "Beta" description.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:14 PM
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You may call it jargon but it has a facade of being scientific because it borrows terminology from antgropology and evolutionary biology. I'm guessing this was done as a tactic to make TRP look more legitimate than it really is, which is why I take issue with it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 06:58 PM
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There are too many problems with TRP's definition of "Alpha" and "Beta" for them to be helpful concepts, even slightly. For one, being "Alpha" and "fucking a lot" do not necessarily lead to reproductive success. In primates, an alpha would typically be the primate at the top of the hierarchy that controls access to reproduction/female primates. TRP have grifted off this concept and created this misleading term "Alpha male" as if it applies to humans in a similar way, which is doesn't. Listen to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 03:58 PM
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It's probably good that people aren't taking marriage as lightly as they did in the boomer era. Shotgun marriages and whatnot. I'm guessing we'll be better off without those..
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 03:42 PM
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I don't get where the argument that men who care about a woman's feelings is beta comes from. If someone is seriously making this argument, they are likely so far down the rabbit hole of being ideologically red pilled that there's no rational conversation to have with them. It is human nature to care about other people. Even in primates, the "Alpha" has to maintain is precarious position at the top by caring for the whole "pack." Even using this definition, you could claim that not caring is act…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 06:55 PM
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If one were smart they'd realize that strictly defined "Betas" and "Alphas" don't exist in human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 05:46 PM
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All the women I see in public life are feminist NPCs and corporate media shills. What the fuck are you on about? Where the hell are you meeting these men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 05:15 PM
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I'd tell him there's no such thing as beta males in human. Then I'd tell him to stop wasting his time chasing women like a fuckboi and go dominate at something he loves, and let the women come and go as they may.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/19 08:07 PM
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I think many, including myself to some extent, read more into the 80/20 stat than I should have. It's important to take into account the fact that people's behavior is clearly different when they're interacting with others online. However, I also know that in the past 5 years the dating scene has definitely changed, and feminism has marketed the idea that men and women are at odds in a "class struggle" based on gender. I think it's a combination of the feeling that something about dating has cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/19 07:58 PM
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That joke is partially at the expense of people who think like you do
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/12/19 07:46 PM
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I didn't know this was a settled issue. My ex and I had sex at least once every single day through 2 years of Engineering school... My drive was slightly higher than hers but she kept up pretty well and definitely enjoyed it. One interesting thing I found was that I wanted it more at night, and she wanted it more in the morning. It was strange but waking up to your girl on top of you is great.. It hasn't been my experience that women are substantially less horny than men, I think they've just be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 07:39 PM
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The irony is if a guy shelled out for this expensive item, and his SO used it every day, that person would be healthier. I don't get why this is something that people would choose to be angry about, just because a man bought the bike for a woman. Seriously? This is the "oppression" you're going to fight? OK dude..
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 07:22 PM
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it's because the whole concept of "Chad" and "Alpha" are misleading to begin with. People think that they're supposed to be this strange internet archetype of a man, which is more of a meme than real life
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 08:30 PM
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Yeah but you can't ignore the impact of nearly every outside influence pushing women to follow the same wage cuck path
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/12/19 08:28 PM
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Yeah I had some guy earlier today say he'd become "Chad" at the expense of who he was. What a sad state of affairs... lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 12:19 AM
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You sure do see a lot of women "acting" like they're happy in today's society too. Meanwhile everybody knows it's nearly impossible to be happy working a soul deadening job and having nobody around to care about beyond whatever semblance of family you still have left.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/12/19 07:07 PM
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I would guess that both men and woman suffer roughly equally due to the decline in traditional families. This decline excludes many men from the SMP, at least that's what it seems like
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/12/19 07:02 PM
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Or the result of a poor choice of partner
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/19 05:53 PM
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yeah I think the degree of the conflict does certainly matter, but some conflict is fine, and inevitable. I see guys putting up with WAY too much, they know it and everybody else knows it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 09:02 PM
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That obviously sucks, but it isn't the result of cohabitation necessarily
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 09:01 PM
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Well fair enough, I know now. Yeah I mean the feminine imperative is obsolete given our population numbers. However, I tend to place importance on my entire family, so by extension if I even had one of my own, it would be important to me. It wouldn't necessarily by more important to me than my own happiness. My happiness would (hopefully) be interconnected with my hypothetical family to begin with, right? Otherwise there's no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 07:51 PM
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I know this is awful, but I've never seen a happy long term marriage without Dread. Yeah I can't take a statement like this seriously. I know plenty of couples in LTRs that are perfectly happy with their choice. As far as your story, I have no clue what point you're trying to make here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 07:49 PM
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That being said, it's not like I don't take your experience into consideration. I'm mindful of the ways relationships can go horribly wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 07:42 PM
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I guess it just seems like this is a reaction to a woman who controlled every aspect of your life for 20+ plus years, rather than "good, sound" advice to give guys like me who are mid-20's and want a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 07:41 PM
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You have no sense of irony. I said that because when I ignored my gut feeling and stayed with a girl cause the sex was good, it fucked my life up. I'm saying, if you evaluate a girl for compatibility more than looks, you might end up with an easier time should you decide to live together. Maybe if you weren't so sensitive and easily offended you'd have understood that. As far as a "feminine imperative" I have no fucking clue what you're rambling about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 07:39 PM
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Grow a backbone snowflake
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 07:25 PM
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I'm not going to argue with your experience, and maybe after 20 years I'll view things the same way, but I doubt it. Compromise, conflict, these are inevitable in life. I don't really see why a reasonable dose of either is so bad. Of course, if you lived with a control freak, that's another story. I don't think having absolute control to that degree is as important to me as it is to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 07:18 PM
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Don't be so sensitive. You're giving out advice based on your experience, I'm giving out advice based on mine. Perhaps this isn't about you. What if I were saying this because I fell into this trap myself?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 07:14 PM
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Well, I'm not afraid of cohabitation with a woman, she just has to be the RIGHT woman. If all you see when a woman is in front of you is tits and ass that you'd "like to have" I'm sure you would have quite a difficult time judging a woman's character. Try to channel post nut clarity, and follow your instinct instead of your dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 06:36 PM
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Yeah people forget that you can have deep relationships with anyone. We speak in the abstract on this sub, to identify behaviors in general. We have to remember that not every person is destined to act out the patterns of behavior we speak of in this sub. Some women do want families, even if it doesn't seem like the majority to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 06:16 PM
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-- Men and women do not necessarily have opposite interests. -- Certain types of people are looking to take advantage, but there are many people who don't do this either. They just never get the spotlight (obviously) -- Living separately would be dystopian. We have differences but we certainly can solve them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 06:14 PM
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It's invite only, but one of the pictures was of Vanessa Hudgens. She's cute but she participated in possibly the worst movie, one I wish I'd never seen. There was another photo that was better but idk I'd have to see it to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 04:31 AM
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Lmao all this to justify why you shouldn’t have to fuck fat women What the hell are you on about? I don't have to fuck anybody dude. OF COURSE we don't get to decide who we're attracted to. Also, I don't dress like a "slob." I meet plenty of people, and meet women all the time who don't seem to care how I dress. I don't think it's as universal as you're making it out to be. It's sort of like a pretentious "high culture" thing. Women with lower socioeconomic status don't seem to care as much abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 03:09 AM
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I do want to establish some common ground for you, because I think you're genuine. Your assessment of the state of things as they are today seems correct to me. I feel that health may be a better marker for suitability then status symbols... but perhaps the subconscious reactions are so similar that it makes no difference. It's a small issue anyways. This is what I want you to consider: Given that this is the way things are, when we wake up we have a choice - just participate, because it will ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 02:51 AM
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Nice clothes are technically a stand-in for stability and safety, but women know [and will admit] that the former does not guarantee the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 02:32 AM
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Women select from the socioeconomic hierarchy, but we all get to make the rules of that hierarchy. If tomorrow, T shirt prices skyrocketed and suit prices tumbled, then I'd walk out the door tomorrow and be drowning in pussy. My point is that it's arbitrary, and we get to critique the game we play. I believe we should absolutely attempt to make it so that society is a fairer "game. " Why do you think men love video games so much? Everyone starts at the same place. I know real life could not be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 02:30 AM
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Should society place as much meaning on status/status symbols as it currently does?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 02:24 AM
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So we humans should just content ourselves with being led through life by our subconscious, and not do anything to improve the human condition? So according to you, we've reached our pinnacle as a species?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 02:16 AM
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We're talking obesity vs. Putting on a T shirt instead of fucking polo dude, get a grip. You need to consider the big picture, not individual interactions
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 02:08 AM
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In order to illustrate my point, all you have to do is look at the barriers of entry for college/tuition, and how the socioeconomic status one is born into all but determines their outcome. What you're implicitely saying is that people from different classes should not intermingle... whereas I do not believe money implies character. Money and status can be obtained though all sorts of dubious means. People who obtain this status by "cheating" should not be rewarded for their troubles, unless you…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 02:04 AM
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The Crux of the issue is this: if socioeconomic status where a fair game, then I would have no problem with saying that this is the way it ought to be. But I will continue to say that the game we all play is corrupt, until it is not corrupt anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:57 AM
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And as for your analogy about health, I would not expect my potential partner to be healthy if I were not myself attempting to live a healthy lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:55 AM
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This has nothing to do with what I want, I could easily go buy a goddamn suit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:53 AM
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I do not agree with your assessment of me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:53 AM
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If I was thinking only in terms of myself I would die on a nice suit, go out and f* all the random hoes I wanted. And I work a stupid f**** Finance job, and help collapse the economy just like what happened in 2008
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:48 AM
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Why do you assume that I'm thinking only in terms of what I want
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:47 AM
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I suppose I do owe it to you for helping me refine my argument. The argument I'm making is that our socio-economic "game" is so corrupt that it is almost useless for women to pick from it, and expect to find a suitable partner in terms of anything beyond wealth
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:43 AM
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I agree with the fact that your assessment is largely correct. I was making an argument about the way things "ought" to be which is obviously a different premise
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:41 AM
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My premise all along is that preference for health is present in both sexes, whereas preference for "markers" of socioeconomic status is only present in females.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:40 AM
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I see what you mean, your comparison is valid, but do you really think they're THAT similar?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:33 AM
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Voice to text you noob
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 12:22 AM
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A rich man can choose not to broadcast his wealth through clothing. He is still rich. And overweight, unhealthly individual cannot help but broadcast their poor health choices. Again. I understand WHY these rationalizations exist. I have no beef with people who use these markers and prerequisites for a partner/fuckbuddy. I can still point out that it's a stupid game that people play.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 12:21 AM
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It's a really beautiful strong man you've built there EDIT: google needs to fix it's goddamn text to speech. I said STRAW
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 12:16 AM
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I understand that they are both placeholders for the caliber of a potential partner. I suppose that class is a personal issue for me, because I grew up in a blue-collar family. I've worked my way up into a white collar position, but I am still very proud of what I came from and the fact that I worked my way up to this from almost nothing. The reason that I hold this idea in the first place, is because I think the way we judge each other should be a little bit more holistic than "Oh look at the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 12:13 AM
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I would argue that clothing is far more arbitrary than the physical health of an individual lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 12:09 AM
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Haha so wearing t-shirts and being overweight are somehow equivalent? I exercise every day dude... How does that make any sense? I think status symbols are for people who don't feel secure enough about who they are. I reject the notion that having a Ferrari and a designer suit somehow makes you a decent human being. If you're for human progress, you should do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 12:01 AM
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They shame them because it's easier to kick them when their down than to look themselves in the mirror and admit to their hypocrisies -- namely what they claim they want men to be, versus the men they actually pursue sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 11:16 PM
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I have my own philosophy on this, which is if a girl won't talk to me if I'm wearing regular pants and a t-shirt, then she's probably too superficial for me. I don't want attention from women just for wearing nice clothes, and if you're going to assume I'm poor or low value because I choose not to spend my money frivolously then chances are that girls priorities are way out of whack anyways. I understand that I will get less attention from women for having this mindset. I could care less tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 11:10 PM
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opposites attract I guess... lmao
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/11/19 10:33 PM
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I think the point of the advice is that there's no reason not to stay fit and active, because worst case scenario you reap all of the health benefits of it and live a better life, and best case women find you sexier in addition to the other benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 10:25 PM
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Become a basic bro? I'd rather not ever have sex again in my life than become something I hate. But I don't think I have to choose between the two, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 08:21 PM
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I don't think we have many options outside of putting up with this. It's more a question of the degree to which the girl is damaged, not IF she's damaged or not. Dating in 2019 is bound to leave many girls with these issues, there's just no way tens/hundreds of shallow interactions with men will lead to anything other that psychological issues. Women do claim to want a man that doesn't treat her like this. If you love the girl and you can handle a bit of her crazy, there's really no problem.. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 06:12 PM
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Staying fit and active throughout your life helps soften the blow of aging quite a bit. There's a lot of older guys I've played hockey/bball with and even the balding guys are aging really well and can still be cut up and all that. But yeah of course most girls in their 20's aren't looking for those sorts of guys, but those sorts of guys usually aren't looking seriously at girls in their 20's either. Of course they're still checking them out, but old habits die hard
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 06:01 PM
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In pop culture for some people it may have these connotations. But in neither science nor TRP alpha is associated with being a bully that gives zero fucks about others. I agree with this, but I also believe it's hard to keep these different domains completely separate from each other, at least in people's minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 03:01 AM
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Okay well we're just going around in circles now. Alpha has that connotation and you know it. Why else would you have to clarify that "alpha does NOT mean bully" if nobody thought so in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 02:12 AM
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You know for a fact that "alpha" carries a connotation of "might makes right."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 02:08 AM
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Well you must know that alpha has that sort of connotation, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 01:50 AM
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Everybody is a cuck!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 01:39 AM
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If you're the type of person who cares what people say about you, you're a cuck too. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 01:38 AM
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People generally shouldn't tolerate cheating regardless of whether it makes you a cuck
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 01:17 AM
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The point was: Do you believe that might makes right, i.e. only the strongest men should breed?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 11:19 PM
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Lol well the definition of cuck is ever expanding :p
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 10:42 PM
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Haha we talked about this before, I remember u
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 10:06 PM
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I'm in the same boat as you and I feel no such pressure. I either want kids of my own with a woman I trust, or no kids. Furthermore, I know that the potential to be deceived in this manner is frightening (yeah, I've imagined what it might feel like) but personally I can't live my life in fear like that. This is why you gotta keep your head and your wits about you, and pick a girl you could trust with your life. And there are PLENTY of ways to figure out how deeply you can trust a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 09:57 PM
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Yeah I guess it can mean whatever you want it to mean. In my eyes I like to keep to the strict definition of it simply because when I first learned it, I was learning about the cuckoo birds and other species of birds that can be "cucked" by eggs falling from nests above, or even swapped out by female birds
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 09:49 PM
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Not really. As far as I know "cuck" is a term used to describe unwittingly raising offspring that were not created with the father's own genetic material. Usually it's a term that applies to the animal kingdom. Certainly it can happen with humans, but if the guy knows about it and accepts it then it's not really the same is it? His problems do not lie with being "cucked", his problems lie with his poor self image.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 09:38 PM
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It has nothing to do with cuckoldry. If a couple establishes that they want to be exclusive and a person cheats that agreement, the guys not a cuck, he's just down on his luck. Even if the girl is attempting to deceive the guy, he can still find out (and probably will find out eventually). It's not being a cuck, it's more so being blind to the flaws of your SO, or not noticing strange behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 09:12 PM
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Because some of us have a higher vision for humanity, and we recognize that letting our dick lead us through life is a degenerated way to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 08:25 PM
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Attempting to dominate other men, physically or psychologically. Reckless wealth-seeking, spending money in an attempt to display wealth, rather than spending wisely. Attempting to gain a leadership role for the purposes of elevating one's status, rather than having someone who would be a GOOD leader take the role. I see people out there taking a whole lot of bad advice in the name of being "alpha." Granted, I also see a lot of good advice out there as well. I just think we should call it being …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 06:59 PM
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I think you know what I mean here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 06:47 PM
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I suppose it's not a degenerated concept if you believe that might makes right, and that humans should go back to bashing women over the head with clubs and dragging them by the ankle back to their cave.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 06:30 PM
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I don’t think anyone claims that “alpha male” is a term of art in human ethology I think that certain people see the term used and are misled into believing precisely this. That's my only issue with people using it as a label. People will see the term used, and believe that in order to be "alpha" themselves they have to engage in a whole host of moronic behaviors.. It's a degenerated concept altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 06:28 PM
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Denying that human brains are hardwired with primal instincts is the most anti-scientific thing you can believe in. Having "hardwired instincts" does not mean you get to draw equivalences between humans and primates. You can only draw correlations, but you should temper that with the knowledge that we've heavily diverged from our primate ancestors. OF COURSE we have "instincts" but you've not established that this involves your concept of an alpha male in any way whatsoever. Yes, of course, ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 04:56 PM
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Shut the fuck up you neanderthal. At least I'm not clinging to primitivistic notions of what I think humans are. Notions derived from fucking apes who don't have intellect anywhere near what humans do. There is no such thing as a human "alpha male" because there is no scientific basis to claim that they exist. "Alpha" is shorthand for "can fuck a lot of bitches." Does this sound scientific to you?? Or do you have the IQ of a puddle of rainwater? Are you too fucking stupid to comprehend what I've…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 04:36 PM
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Foreplay is a lot of fun, I'd skip it sometimes, but other times you want to take your time and enjoy the whole experience. Choking is the only thing I haven't really done, just because I felt like we needed more communication skills before I'd be comfortable with it (she never brought it up until halfway through, and she'd tell me to choke her when we had no safe words or anything..) But generally I love foreplay, I like going down on a girl and feeling her shake... Everything about it is great
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 08:39 PM
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Yeah I'm at the best point I've ever been in life and to still be pushing for more at 26 feels great. 31 is still pretty young, there are people at 60+ who still hit the gym, play sports and keep in shape. It's the best way to provide yourself with the energy you need if you're going to be going for more than your 9-5
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 06:52 PM
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I was in a dating rut and tempted to give up and go MGTOW. At the end of the day, I miss having a lady in my life, so instead of waiting around for one to show up I've just been living healthier, building up my life so that if I meet someone special I'll already be established/healthy/etc. So the point is, the choice is yours. If you want to live on your own for the rest of your life, then yeah, go MGTOW. If you want a woman in your life, you may have to make changes and sacrifice now in order t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 05:36 PM
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I think you're purposely making it out as though I'm confused. I know how the term is used in common language, but I'm saying that it's incorrect. Humanity does not organize itself into "troops" like primates, nor do they have a single "alpha male" leading the troop, settling disputes, etc. Therefore the term is misleading and is utterly useless, other than to show off how little you know about how human evolution works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 05:19 PM
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Yes but my whole point from the beginning is that one can easily be mislead into believing the terms are not simply "connected" (comparable would be a better word) but actually analogous and are somehow both equally objective terms, which they are not
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 07:13 PM
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Also "dominant" has a very simple meaning in primates, whereas for humans a man can be dominant in a million different ways. A kid could be the best fortnite player in the world, make millions, and attract girls that way. Your use of the word "dominant" here is so vague when speaking of humans that it carries NO MEANING
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 06:45 PM
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Also, a very attractive man, or a "10", may get a bunch of sex with women that are mostly all on birth control, so even though in the context of primates he would be considered "alpha" because of his high chance of reproducing.. However, primates do not have access to birth control.. so really all this attractive man is doing is having a bunch of (mostly) sterile sex. Furthermore, this man could be a complete loser in all other dimensions of life other than looks and physique. Are you starting t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 06:35 PM
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For example, a CVS store manager may be "alpha" in the context of CVS employees, but an utter laughing stock to people with a college degree. Yet he is still an alpha by your description, because he is dominant and in charge (but only at CVS)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 06:32 PM
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There are so many exceptions and holes I can poke in your description of the "human alpha male," that it ceases to have any useful meaning other than being used by a bunch of online ideologues and pseudo-enlightened venture capitalist douchebros. Your description of an alpha is literally meaningless to anyone other than those who believe the same shaky ideas as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 06:30 PM
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That's a peripheral issue. What we're arguing here is whether the term "alpha males" as it is scientifically applied to primates, applies to humans in the same way. The video you sent does not suggest that the term has the same scientific meaning for humans as it does with primates.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 06:25 PM
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Don't date when you just want to fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 05:41 PM
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The girls that are "mega hotties" are often just insufferable and put up so many walls between you and them that it's not even worth trying. They tend not to develop interesting personalities either, and I'd much rather be partnered up with someone who I could talk to for hours on end, about meaningful things
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 05:37 PM
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Also, he's drawing comparisons... not equivalences
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:38 PM
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He literally opens by saying that the term "alpha male" is mischaracterized by pop culture to mean "bully" lmao EDIT: he says "I think it [the term alpha male] is used in a mischaracterization, it's used in a very superficial way.." which is precisely what I'm saying
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:29 PM
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I'm watching it then I'll respond
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:23 PM
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Listen, clearly you're not interested in understanding what I'm trying to say here. I didn't say the article was fact. Quite frankly I'm getting frustrated just going around in circles with you. You cannot actually demonstrate that the term "alpha male" applies to humans, because it doesn't. All of this shit about primates and wolves has nothing to do with what we're arguing here
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:22 PM
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I'm making the claim that the term has no scientific meaning in humans, like it does is primates. That is not a motte and bailey, it's fact
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 11:30 PM
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Like I've said a million times before, I'm not dismissing the words used in common parlance. I'm saying that you can't apply it to humans in the same way that you would apply it to primates. Humans are infinitely more complex than them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 09:46 PM
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I don't think the term is controversial, I understand why people use it. But it's just scientifically meaningless. Humans are too complex to strictly define what a "human alpha male" would be, because there are a million different activities that humans males can be dominant in. Women will take notice of a famous, skinny, makeup wearing emo band frontman. Women will also take notice of the football playing stud playing in the NFL. Both are going to get tons of pussy, and there's no way of explai…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 08:50 PM
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This article: https://thinkgrowth.org/the-alpha-myth-150121d3868f nicely explains what I'm trying to say here. It includes expert opinion, but it's more of a thought provoking piece to get you to see where I'm coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 08:44 PM
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The term "alpha male" is used in scientific papers to refer to the dominant male who calls the shots and has the biggest reproductive success in his social group. Please refer me to the paper that refers to human beings as "alpha" or "beta"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 08:40 PM
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Personally, I was in a dating rut for the past couple years getting over an ex, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I'd say that, I'm into getting to know someone before sex.. and would rather have sex with someone who means something to me than a complete stranger. It just seems like girls who are attractive/in my league are often delusional and looking for that "perfect 10" that will love/marry them, and they get emotionally damaged because those guys don't have to settle, and 99.9999% of…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 07:53 PM
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A theory that, even if it were true, would not apply to humans. They're just misleading terms because they have the illusion of being somehow scientific or intellectual terms, when in reality they have little to no meaning when describing humans.. And certainly human "alphas"/"betas" are not in any way analogous to what these terms mean for wolves/primates/etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 07:40 PM
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If you use them in this way, the terms cease to be scientifically accurate or meaningful terms. At this point, it's kind of just a linguistic mistake that we use them this way
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 07:37 PM
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Type A and B personalities are not the same thing as alpha males and beta males.. It's a coincidence that they share letters.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 07:36 PM
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If it's even debatable whether the terms apply to all wolves, I think you'll have a hell of a time making the case that the terms apply to humans (spoiler: they don't)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 07:34 PM
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They're either RP, retarded, or both. "alpha" and "beta" are evolutionary terms that do not in any way apply to modern humans. They're roughly shorthand for "Is attractive/gets laid a lot" and "unnatractive/has a hard time getting laid." I think it's misleading to think that human "Alpha males" are actually apex, or dominant in most/all dimensions in life. They're probably physically dominant, but that will only get you so far in the modern world where police will stop you from physically imposi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 07:31 PM
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lmfao "She doesn't look any better" Believe me, just DON'T LOOK AT HER
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/11/19 06:40 PM
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You're good :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 06:02 PM
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I will say I do have sympathy, but I temper it with the fact that women choose to continue to participate. Furthermore, they can participate and have much more success than average men at getting "what they want." The guys that might actually stick with them for the long haul, actually love them and care for them, that type of guy is something they'll never find on Tinder and these shallow "do you like my face?" sort of platforms. ​ I do believe that the SMP damages women. I'll preface this by s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 04:56 PM
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I said that men with big egos reject women, I never said they get rejected although I'm sure they do on occasion
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 04:28 PM
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So why exactly does this assumption exist that man who are kind to women must necessarily be insecure? Maybe they actually just like women and want a relationship instead of a bunch of empty, casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 04:26 PM
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Because the men they constantly get rejected by have big egos, so then they complain as if those are the only kind of men that exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 08:43 PM
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Yeah that's brutal asf
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/11/19 06:02 PM
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It's just so sad... I believe it but I don't want to
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/11/19 06:02 PM
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Oh my lord this has to be fake...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/11/19 06:08 PM
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Yeah I love the idea that American born citizens no longer have the right to advocate for their own self interests, as if every other group isn't actively doing that right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 05:31 PM
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overlooked, hands down.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 06:57 PM
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I don't blame them
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 06:15 PM
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single mothers do*
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 06:09 PM
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Yeah, the point is since they don't exist there's not much of a point in using that as a counter argument
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 06:07 PM
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Unless you just want females to be the ones doing the oppressing. They wouldn't actually care, it's plain to see they have no principles aside from making life as hard as possible for men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 04:13 PM
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The men of this country are definitely not cohesive enough for a communist revolution. It would be the majority of men kicking the shit out of the male feminist minority of men. The world would be a lot better off after this, too
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 04:11 PM
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How often does this really happen, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 04:10 PM
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Yeah, a 5:1 ratio isn't THAT bad right? That way while the rest of the 80% of men work to uphold a society that enslaves them, everyone can be fucking and enjoying themselves... Kind of like they do now, except it would be enshrined in law. "Thou shalt be an 8 or above to do the fuck"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 04:09 PM
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True and Gauss could have been 10000 Newtons if he wasn't so busy fighting for his maiden's honor lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 05:28 AM
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I just followed my instinct and my conscience, so you're right in a way. It's not good to go against those things
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 03:05 AM
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Yeah but he invented that shit. He literally fucked the whole world with his dick and his children are modern mathematics and technology
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 03:04 AM
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So was Isaac Newton a beta? He was a virgin, but he singlehandedly revolutionized mathematics and without him our whole world would be unrecognizable to us knowing what we know now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 12:29 AM
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Yeah that's a lot. I let go of a girl I really liked (now I realize she was completely wrong for me) but having a family has always been a thing I wanted, so I've been way more sexually conservative than I had to be. Literally giving up opportunities, because I knew there were no emotional things going on. Idk, it's a balance. Not all women wanna go that wild, even if most do
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 12:26 AM
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I can agree with you on the nurturing aspect. Because in a way you're spreading your influence, hopefully in an overall positive way
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 12:06 AM
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Not adoption doesn't make you alpha. Adoption doesn't make you beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 11:54 PM
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Hey you do you man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 11:51 PM
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Cuckoldry is when you aren't aware that you're child isn't yours, biologically speaking
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 11:44 PM
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Not adoption?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 11:43 PM
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My arguments don't just apply to biological fatherhood, either
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 11:18 PM
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Yeah, try again next year bud
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 11:12 PM
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Well I mean you tried I guess lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 11:07 PM
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No you're not
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 11:06 PM
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I'm a dude, chill out there young king
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 10:43 PM
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An alpha to me is someone who chooses a solid partner, a partner who would make a good mother. They themselves will make a good father, because they aren't just leaving their genes to their child. They remain in their lives to leave an intellectual, and emotional imprint on the child as well. What could be more alpha than raising a child to be a badass in life, prepared to do great things for the world? All while being able to carry their father's memory with them into future generations?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 10:41 PM
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Yes, they're bogus terms with no actual meaning. "someone that can get laid easily" just means someone who is more likely to reproduce. BUT, are they really? or are the girls they fuck in mass quantities temporarily infertile because of birth control. Have you ever considered this? In light of this fact, aren't these "alphas" wasting a lot of time and energy, evolutionarily speaking? Sure it's pleasurable for them, but being able to sleep with a lot of women in 2019 doesn't necessarily imply evo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 10:39 PM
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Okay well we can split hairs here, usually sexually attractive men are physically dominant, or at least physically fit enough to pose a threat to some degree
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 10:34 PM
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I don't think it's wise to be citing TRP as if it is some authority on evolutionary biology, or has any objective reputability. They have valid cultural critiques, but aside from that they're quite pseudo-scientific
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 10:33 PM
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This is where I go back to my point before, pursuing women just to get sex from them and increase your N count is just a meaningless, empty way to live your life and interact with people. Real men (alphas, as you might call them) contribute something to their fellow humans besides their dick. People like this will be remembered as drags on society, if they are remembered at all. Hence the term "deadbeat dads"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 10:28 PM
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Maybe? "There for me" in what way? To use my body? What kind of consolation is that vs. someone using you for anything, money or otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 10:26 PM
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I get what you're trying to say. Honestly I just don't think the terms alpha and beta really apply to humans. A person can be dominant along one dimension and utterly at the bottom of another. It's simply about what that particular woman considers valuable in a man, which may not always be "physically dominant behavior" although this preference would be common among traditionally minded women I suppose. It's not the only criteria to select with, though EDIT: grammar
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 10:22 PM
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Honestly I don't think what we're talking about here is accurately described by beta or alpha. Why are alpha and beta defined as "has to invest money" into dates vs. just getting sex right off the bat? I doubt women are thinking about men in terms of beta and alpha, either. And if they are they're likely very confused and don't understand the way biology or evolution work.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 10:19 PM
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Make sense? No
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 10:06 PM
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And furthermore, I don't think I'd still be alive today had I not had a father that raised me to be tough and resilient. When push came to shove in my life, I needed everything I had been given by my parents in order to get though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 09:50 PM
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Science answers this question pretty well. The evidence seems clear enough about the positive impact fathers present in the home have on their children. Such evidence makes encouraging single motherhood look pretty ignorant and regressive. We can accept that circumstances sometimes dictate that the father should not be in the picture, but it seems as though it's now a "moral good" in some people's eyes when women get knocked up by guys they knew all along would never remain in the picture. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 09:48 PM
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Reality is patriarchy... Kappa
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 09:40 PM
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I believe so, yes. Only because certain women may find physical dominance alpha, whilst others may consider intellectual dominance alpha. Humans would not have developed the intelligence and ingenuity that we have if women didn't reproduce with men who had these traits. If women only reproduced with physically dominant men we'd be a race of tribal warlord ruled cultures constantly killing each other for breeding rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 06:43 PM
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Seems like you've cherry picked your examples of what men say. I don't think I've seen anyone saying you should ignore your instincts about creepy men. I suppose TRP do have the weird 3rd date thing going on, but I do see where they're coming from in that if you've exchanged zero physical attraction after three dates, perhaps the spark just isn't there and she's taking you for a ride. It seems like more of a precautionary idea than an exoectation.. personally I don't expect shit from my dates, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 06:15 PM
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Yeah who the fuck thinks that POAs aren't the most cringe beings in existence. Just because I can see the points TRP has, doesn't mean that it's fair game for predatory women to take me for a ride. Nobody seems to care about the innocent folks caught in the crossfire of all this horseshit
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 06:57 PM
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Read: I didn't want you either way, but I still want you to put "effort" into me
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/10/19 04:00 PM
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I suppose it has happened before, yes. But what does this have to do with what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 06:01 AM
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Yeah I mean for me crushing on someone also involves imagining them being involved in my life in more ways than just sex... That sort of approach just isn't in style right now I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 06:23 PM
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There's degrees of this, and how reasonable those feelings are. I'm assuming a situation that's a bit deeper than "we held eye contact for slightly longer than normal" or some strange shit like that. I'm talking about a person whom you've been friends with specifically because you've been crushing on her, not just because you wanted to get the dick wet and dip
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 06:10 PM
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Yeah, I have a similar preference for friends in general, and definitely for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 05:25 PM
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One thing that's also misleading is a just did a search on statistics of rape and I see "3 in 10 women have been raped" and "4 in 10 women have been raped." I then go to view some actual reputable sources, in which the number shrinks to 17.6% I share your concern in bringing this number down, but I get sick of misleading portrayals and faulty data EDIT: the source was https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles1/nij/183781.txt
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 04:16 PM
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in reality it was probably the combination of experimental drugs and the fact that the world faced existential doom over the cold war. Let's not pretend like Russia never had imperialist motivations either...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 04:10 PM
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Much of those ideals were motivated by the cold war and the west's desire to prove its hegemony and the power of capitalism over communism. So a bunch of hippies smoking pot and singing rock'n'roll were really a bunch of proto-fascists looking to imperialistically spread "peace and love" throughout the world? What kind of a statement is this? Are you fresh out of a college critical theory course or....?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 04:09 PM
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I would go even further and say society uses these simple instincts to sell us shit. And while it's not the worst thing in the world, we could certainly be aiming higher.. In fact we WERE aiming higher in the 60's / 70's (speaking of ideals here) and I think we've regressed a bit since then in terms of our vision of and for ourselves as humans, though our treatment of each other has improved at least in terms of spousal rape.. etc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 03:26 PM
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Regardless of WHY they may have this view, the point remains that this attitude is a mistake. They're missing out on the best guys, the guys that wouldn't actually treat them like fuck dolls. It's not just that they're simply "nice." I think certain women wake up to this reality, but man they could save so much money on anti-depressants by looking for deep/meaningful connections with people, rather than the hottest male instagram model they can find. It's like a sick joke at this point. It seems…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 03:18 PM
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Yeah looking at that sub is like staring into the abyss. I was chatting with a girl at a party the other night who was bragging about taking a guy on a date already knowing that she wasn't interested. She even asked him if he wanted to split the bill and the poor sap still dutifully picked up the check. So even when the girl gives the guy an out, he still pays in hopes of impressing the girl.. Not much you can do about that kind of situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 03:08 PM
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Yeah that makes sense. I'm not really saying I'm right, just that I feel really intensely about those sorts of situations.. and that's fair, perhaps I should take a page out of your book haha
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 03:03 PM
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to be friends with someone whom you're attracted to, you necessarily have to suppress those feelings in order to remain "friends." I don't know if it's the healthiest thing to be doing to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 02:55 PM
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Even if they're using you for emotional support, taking advantage of your romantic attraction, and leading you on? What is functional or healthy about that kind of lopsided "friendship"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 02:52 PM
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Yeah man it's better to be a bit lonely for a while than to be someone who grovels at a woman's feet. Have some self respect...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 02:51 PM
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I don't know why I'm talking to you like you care about anybody but yourself, my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 11:32 PM
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what?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 11:13 PM
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Furthermore, society is shit not because certain men can't get laid. I've had girlfriends/sex, and all that. Society is shit because it values shallow, nearly meaningless modes of existence. Society's highest values are wealth seeking and being born aesthetically pleasing. Why do you think so many subcultures exist almost completely separate from one another? Do you think this is some sort of accident? Have you ever even had to ask yourself "why?"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 11:11 PM
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And my desire to participate in this shit society that feminists have created is comparable to that too. The only difference is I have to shut the fuck up, and continue to eat shit in order to keep my job. Whereas you can live a perfectly normal existence and never notice that there were thousands of men killing themselves because "desire for them is comparable to eating shit off the ground"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 11:07 PM
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test
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 11:00 PM
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Speaking about humans like they're worthless/human waste is both disgusting and incorrect, logically/morally speaking. Seems like an idea that a N**i would say to themselves to justify putting bullets into people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 10:59 PM
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So if I compared women I find distasteful to shit, that wouldn't be a problem with you? I don't see why we have to talk about human beings like that. It's disgusting, honestly. It seems like something a Nazi would say to themself to justify executing those who resist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 10:55 PM
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Can I just out of the blue decide that I like the taste of dog feces Second time I've seen this poster draw parallels between men she doesn't find attractive and feces. Quality, quality logic here boys
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 10:12 PM
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Women seem to argue that changing their standards are impossible, knowing full well they could do it. They just don't want to, and are justifying their decision post hoc EDIT: Also an interesting thought that occurred to me-- Some of the music that means the most to me was an "acquired taste" i.e. had idiosyncrasies which made me want to skip the song at first. But getting over that initial reaction was key to embracing some of the songs I now love so much. It seems that women know what would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 09:59 PM
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It's our job to prove love still exists, fellow niceguys
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/10/19 09:43 PM
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what a cunt
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/10/19 08:38 PM
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Yeah well... at any rate it's not a sustainable situation.. but hopefully we won't live to see everything go to hell..
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 02:25 AM
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True, yeah that seems true. TRUE
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 10:24 PM
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Yeah exactly. I wouldn't personally judge a girl for that simply because of the way the dating scene is nowadays. My thought about it would be more like if she's never had a long-term relationship ever or something like that. And even then you're more benevolent guys would still definitely give her a chance
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 08:53 PM
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Facial plastic surgery is a whole other thing, because usually the women look far better before than after, at least in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 08:08 PM
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Well I suppose "these standards" that I mentioned may not include fake tits, becuase I have a preference for non-fake now that I think about it. There's nothing wrong with A cups ladies ;) I'd never shame a girl or not fuck her just because she had them though, so it's not that strong a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 08:00 PM
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The preference has to do with trying to figure out if she's well suited for an LTR, or has a preference for LTRs versus only wanting casual sex. It's not a "dirty" or "used up" thing (although it can be if the guy is a prude, or her N count is astronomical)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 07:58 PM
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Well I'm saying that there are deeper questions as to WHY men are choosing this life. I think it says something about how they perceive their chances in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 07:44 PM
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Most men don't care about N counts, you're right, but they can be red flags if the guy is looking for LTR and the girl had recently been living the casual hookup life, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 07:42 PM
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The conclusion doesn't follow. Men choosing to seclusion over pursuing a "real" life, or a life of contributing to society IS an issue that men face. This is a societal problem if society does not have a place for these men, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 07:30 PM
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Furthermore, maybe society should compete with video games for men's attentions and effort, rather than shunning them and rejecting them to meet women/minority quotas
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 07:23 PM
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Honestly, what adversity are men facing these days?? They sit at home with mommy bringing them tendies while they play marathon CoD sessions all night. This is a defense mechanism to avoid society, not some dream that all men wish they could live out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 07:20 PM
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Yeah, that's a bad habit of mine. I tend to think of more thoughtful things to say only after I post what first comes to mind..
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 07:18 PM
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I'm not sure I've ever met a guy who actually had these standards. I find them unreasonable personally, but there is a line with all of these potential "dealbreakers" like: Does she still struggle with mental health/skip meds/take anger out on her SO/attempt to dominate her SO? Has she hooked up so much that it becomes a mystery as to why she's suddenly had a change of heart? Is she manipulative/people pleasing/never showing her true self despite having enough trust built up? I have a feeling me…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 07:13 PM
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Whatever you say, eternal understander of men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 07:05 PM
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To continue this as well, telling a woman there is some random man willing to date her would be like telling a starving person there is a perfectly good piece of feces on the ground. Random man == Human waste
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 07:02 PM
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Yeah I'm sure all of the negative cultural attention, mostly fear and loathing, is a solid substitute for genuine sympathy. No one's saying an over 30 single woman is evil, we're saying she has options but she believes she is above those options. In reality, she is clearly not above those options or she would not still be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 06:56 PM
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But muh trope about how men's inability to express emotion is their own fault! Yeah, of course women shit on men who complain or express grievance... hence r/niceguys
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 06:52 PM
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but.....but.....ME.....ME......I'M.......I DESERVE a male supermodel :((((((( I AM SPECIAL......I PROUD OWNER OF VAGINA........
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 06:47 PM
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Men have a higher suicide rate for many reasons. First off the have less support systems than women. Why? Because they’re taught that vulnerability is weakness, that asking for help is weakness, that healthy expressions of emotion are weakness. I love how seriously this shitty poster takes themselves whilst posting hopeless feminist tropes like "DUUUUHHH mEn cAn'T sHoW dEr eMoTiOnZ bEcUz pAtRiArCh sOcIeTy" and the same tired, meaningless self-help drivel Females are the ones that shit on other m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 06:38 PM
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You're assuming that women cannot do anything about their lonely situations, hence the "involuntary" nature of being a femcel. Hero_of_Albion is rightfully arguing that these females choose these preferences, and they are inflated. Male incels are simply so undesirable to women now that even if they have no standards whatsoever, they would still be unable to find the romantic attention they desire whereas all the femcel has to do is realize her standards are too high to be realistic and then ste…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 06:22 PM
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Being a true loner means you dont get the ideal because your not perfect or the norm because your not normal. So this breeds true desperation a craving for human romantic, physical and emotional contact on any level. Uglier lonely woman can get this in spades although not the exact way they want it uglier lonely men get deafening silence. 2.True lonely desperate people will take any scrap of affection even if it isnt exactly what they want. This shows you have the ability to be picky a true ince…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 06:17 PM
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Are there, like, even any good men left out thaaare?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 06:15 PM
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This whole conversation is just about defending women's unreasonably high standards whilst not once acknowledging that men should be able to have standards, too. However the majority of [average] men with reasonable standards will likely be hopelessly single until either they lower said standards or the dating situation is fixed (probably won't happen)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 06:13 PM
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If that's really how you think of other human beings, then yeah, you really don't deserve a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 06:10 PM
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I'm afraid that LeJacquelope is right. Implying that all average guys want is a sex sleeve is pretty deceptive. I'm not positive, but if I had to guess I'd say many (if not most) average guys are looking for LTRs, but are in a dating paradigm where if you don't have sex quickly women take it as a sign of disinterest, because we're all used to sex happening quickly/right off the bat. This could be leading you to think that these average guys just want a sex sleeve, however it's probably the case …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 05:59 PM
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We all know they're not settling for their looks-match..
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 05:57 PM
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I only ever matched with one girl I was attracted to and she ghosted me because she lived across the Canadian border and I had no passport. ​ TL;DR Tinder is dismal for the average guy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 05:40 PM
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dat ass
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 06:10 PM
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Maybe it's just that the type of guy that most women seek in 2019 just want sex. Guys like myself who prefer women who DONT get plastic surgery, and want to relate with women emotionally as well as physically are outright ignored and shunned by society/women (currently I have no female friends whatsoever, and I've had plenty in the past). So forgive me for not feeling sorry for you. This is why this sub even exists..
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 06:40 PM
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Well then I guess you're not settling ;) I suspect some men out there might be, or maybe they just want pussy and don't mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 07:36 PM
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I did this all through college. I was broke but I stayed decently healthy and fit. People just don't want to sacrifice the greasy fast foods and binge drinking
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 07:35 PM
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Nothing turns me off more than an orange girl... Spray tanning is such a stupid fad That being said you really don't need anything other than the willpower and a bit of time to exercise, and a job where you're on your feet all day can be a big boost. Desk jobs will make you obese fast if you don't make an effort to stay active daily
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 07:32 PM
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They likely would if there weren't guys out there settling for overweight women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 07:24 PM
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Yeah both persons being into fitness will definitely help any potential relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 07:23 PM
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It's clearly because weed has been legal there for a while
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 07:21 PM
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This chuckle brought to you by Ronald McDonald and Colonel Sanders
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 07:11 PM
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I don't date girls like that but that's beside the point
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 08:15 PM
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Not me per se but girls don't always stick around for long enough to decide. Acting like someone can ascertain another person's past before deciding to date them would likely be seen as indecision and therefore weakness on the part of the guy, because it can take too long
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 07:02 PM
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Yeah because women really love men who hesitate lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 06:55 PM
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A girl cheating on me is not "on me." Quit running interference for shitty people. You can't judge someone based solely on their history, besides the fact that you may not even know the person's history (you can't force people to share/open up). So if I am dating a girl and we've established that we're going to be exclusive with each other and she cheats, that's 100% on her. She's the one being dishonest, regardless of "track record" and "history" which someone can lie about anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 06:09 PM
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That is a charactaristic of power, not necessarily of men. Most men in history did not have that kind of power. Most men were poor
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 08:31 PM
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talk about hyperbole lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 08:30 PM
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At one point what you were saying sounded a lot like "men have complete control"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 08:30 PM
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Furthermore, it would seem that fathers would select for a mate (for their daughter) that would make them rich. So what would masculine traits have to do with that? It would seem as though caring fathers would select for masculine traits such that their daughters would be protected. There's so many holes to poke in this argument you're attempting to make. It comes down to the fact that neither of us really know to what degree men have impacted sexual selection vs. how much influence women have h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 08:27 PM
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Loving and nurturing father is not a necessary condition in a father allowing some choice in mate on the part of his daughter.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 08:22 PM
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We're also arguing something completely different now, even though you've admitted that some women in the past would have been able to excercise autonomy in who they chose to marry
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 08:19 PM
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Inferiority has nothing to do with it. Society was structured this way because the environment was more unpredictable and dangerous. Societies structured around protecting women from danger would have been evolutionarily more likely to survive. That's just the environment we've evolved from. If matriarchal societies conferred more risk upon women, they'd be more likely to be wiped out, at least in the past where life was more unpredictable
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 08:18 PM
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In poorer families, it was unpredictable what the structure and attitude was like inside the household; it could be dangerous, warming, or all around indifferent. So assuming that most families were poor (should be given) than there was a range of attitudes toward marraige -- it was unpredictable what the structure and attitude was like inside the household; it could be dangerous, warming, or all around indifferent. What about this supports your claim that MOST marraige was controlled by men, ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 08:14 PM
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It was RARE for men to give a single shit about what their daughters felt There's nothing about the quoted statement that substantiates this claim. You're pulling it out of thin air. “The reasonableness and tolerance advocated in late seventeenth- and early eighteenth-century thought mitigated some of the harsh intensity of the Puritan-style family and led to more companionable relations between husbands and wives as well as to more affectionate concern by parents for their children” This contra…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 08:10 PM
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They still kept their daughters at home, tightly controlled, with no income or ability to gain any, and made the choice of which other "peasant" or whatever you want to call them that they could marry. This has been ubiquitous. Okay, so you think this was done out of some twisted desire on behalf of men to subjugate and control women??
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:57 PM
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I never said that. I said men have always had the upper hand in these decisions historically and that is objective fact. Even if I grant this (which I'm not fully on board with). You have to further assume that the men with the upper hand usually approved of men which their daughters did not. This would imply that every father in history was indifferent to the feelings of their daughters, which is completely ridiculous. You'd have to further establish that every man making these decisions was co…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:55 PM
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Because the entire system that produced the options was patriarchal. Yes but this statement is so general that it is almost meaningless. The range of traits to select for in men was infinite. Society is not the only factor in a person's development. I love how we're supposed to act like the "nature vs. nurture" argument has been won in favor of nurture
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:50 PM
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To claim that that was the rule rather than the exception would also be really hard to back up. Most families did not have power and status to trade like that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:47 PM
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Where in the history books it is recorded that men/fathers were the only ones with a say in marraige?? YOu're a fucking idiot man I can't do this anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:46 PM
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Then debunk it? Here, I'll even help you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arranged_marriage#Comparison "Gary Lee and Lorene Stone suggest that most adult marriages in recent modern history are somewhere on the scale between arranged and autonomous marriage, in part because marriage is a social institution."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:45 PM
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I'm not arguing that history was patriarchal. It obviously was. I'm arguing that WOMEN DID THE SELECTING. You're conflating that with patriarchal approval, even though the mother had to approve of an arranged marraige too. At the very least, the arranged marraige was far more likely to occur if the woman liked the man, and all parents on either side approved. You on the other hand, you're boiling it all down to "wELL tHe MAAAN jUsT dEcIdEd" How can I take that argument seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:42 PM
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I seriously can't imagine being this willfully ignorant. Yeah I'm wondering the same thing about you my friend. You're clearly not listening to my point and instead we're arguing this asinine point of yours that you've pulled out of your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:38 PM
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Yes but the pool daddy has to approve from was not necessarily chosen by daddy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:37 PM
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did you actually read my last comment? Toxic masculinity is a loaded term anyways. You're drawing a distinction between "toxic" masculinity and "regular" masculinity where in reality some will claim that all expressions of masculinity are toxic. The reality is the "toxic" masculinity douchebros get way more play than your average dude simply because they draw more attention to themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:33 PM
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They were shaped and enforced by everyone.. Boiling the entirety of marriages down to "men controlled it all" is both stupid and false. Arranged marriages were decided by BOTH parents, not just the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:31 PM
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Also you're not even talking about "arranged marraige" you're talking about "forced marraige"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:23 PM
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Yeah I'm sorry but I can't take that argument seriously. You're making it seem like there was just "de facto" arranged marraiges and that's all there's ever been until 1990.. That argument is just plain horseshit
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:21 PM
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How am I making it seem? I never said "height is the only factor women consider when choosing a mate" Please quote me, if I said anything close to this, then you get a free win.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:19 PM
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I'm not, I'm characterizing your argument. Either men did most of the selecting in the past or women did most of the selecting in the past. You're attempting to argue the former, whereas I'm saying that women are more selective than men, even if at times in the past they were not allowed to have full autonomy in their selection. I don't think that that defeats my previous argument
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:15 PM
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but to say it's "height" is retarded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_selection_in_humans#Selection%20preferences%20in%20females I don't listen to incels, but you're not listening to me. A general preference does not mean that there are no exceptions
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:12 PM
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So you latched on but there was nothing to latch to?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:08 PM
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do you realize what you're attempting to argue here? That the majority of humans born were born as a result of marital rape and thus controlled by men? You'd also have to establish that the majority of marraiges were the result of a man's choice, not a woman's. I don't believe it's possible to establish such a statement
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:08 PM
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Again, science observes TRENDS in attraction. To say that women TEND to select for strong physique does not mean that EVERY woman has this preference. It says women are MORE LIKELY to have that preference
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:05 PM
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So before 1990, was every marriage arranged? Were men the only ones picking spouses?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:04 PM
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Well I guess will see what happens with the experimental younger generation that we've created then.. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:02 PM
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Yeah I never said all women hate emotions and kindness. I'm saying emotions and kindness alone don't get you all the way there. I'm also saying that they aren't the primary things that women select for, according to the data we have at the moment. I'm sure there's plenty of anecdotes which contradict the trend, but it's generalized not universal... That's how science works lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:01 PM
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Emo was more of a cultural fad than it was an indicator of people's actual level of emotion. I also never claimed that emotion was make or break, I'm saying that generally, studies have shown that women select men based on vocal tone, physique, height, dominant behavior, etc... this is pretty well established science.. It can always change, and I'm not saying it's "right", but you can't tell me that men are exclusively or even mostly responsible for this
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 06:52 PM
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You're talking about famous people, they attract women because they are famous, emotional traits notwithstanding. I was saying something as a "by and large" statement. I wasn't saying that there was "only one way" to attract women. But how many men do you think would be successful at making emo bands to attract women? What kind of argument is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 06:48 PM
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If women selected for feminine characteristics in men, than men who had masculine characteristics would be bred out of existence. I'm not making any value arguments about what traits we ought to value, I'm just saying that women are the ones that do the sexual selecting. I didn't know it was controversial to assert that women are more picky when it comes to who they select as a partner..
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 06:44 PM
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That's such a ridiculous characterization of what I'm saying that I have no idea where I'd even start. So you're telling me that until 1990, women have been wholly unable to select their own mates? You're going to have to come with a better argument than that my friend because that's the most r3tarded shit I've ever heard
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 06:37 PM
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Sure that all sounds great in theory, but in practice men DO have to compromise (suppress) their emotions FOR WOMEN, not for other men. Women shit on emotional men for the most part, which is way fathers are tough on this type of behavior. I'm not saying I like it, but this has been my experience. Even my ex gfs rarely cared about how I felt about anything, so I rarely expressed it. My father has nothing to do with that lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 06:22 PM
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Yeah I mean I'm trolling a bit when I say that.. The point is that SM has made people obsessed with how they look in the eyes of all of their followers and this has certainly impacted dating. And yeah, definitely trying not to participate in the shallowness as much as possible and pushing toward a deeper existence. It's lonely at the moment but I don't think things will be this way forever
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 06:19 PM
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It's not that I want the blame to rest in any particular place. My desires have nothing to do with it. Women are the sexual selectors, therefore men simply adapt to this biological reality. You may think that social engineering is good/works, but I'm not so optimistic in this regard Feminists have no tolerance or acceptance for men who voice their opinions or feelings, unless those men fall in line with their ideology. Feminists only care about giving women all the power, which they are doing a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 05:32 PM
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Without assigning a value judgement to discouraging feminine traits in men, there is a REASON for it -- and the reason is not "toxic masculinity." The reason is that women themselves generally select and desire traditionally masculine traits.. So if women did not desire such traits, there would be no reason for fathers to encourage/discourage them. They would not matter, and such disciplinary behavior would disappear. Men do this sort of thing because of the selectiveness of women. Women define …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 05:13 PM
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I want a harem of 33 beautiful women (virgins, ofc), each a different race, licking my body up and down in my golden mansion
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 04:57 PM
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You can't claim that men are solely a product of their conditioning but somehow women are not. I never said that this is the case. Everyone is a product of both, it's just the proportion that's debated. Some men may be hard on their sons because they are afraid of how the rest of the world will treat them, but even if that is true it still perpetuates the problem. I don't really see this as a problem. I appreciate that my father was tough on me, because the world was even tougher on me. I still …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 04:49 PM
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I do these things for myself now... Dating is hopeless and I'm not shameless enough to adopt a "game" that makes my stomach churn just thinking about. Fuck that, if women can't be genuine enough to cut the fucking facade for a few seconds to communicate as a human fuckin being, then I'm good on that bullshit fuck being fake just for pussy. That shit is for losers
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 04:37 PM
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Your idea of manhood is such a trope I have a hard time believing you. The truth is that women are attracted to these hyper masculine traits, which is the whole point of this thread. The fact that women have to do this "conscious override" thing should clue you in to some things. Men are hard on their sons because the world is even more brutal, and [most] women judge men very harshly as well. Fathers are also tough in varying degrees, and most of the time it is both warranted and beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 04:26 PM
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I suppose you should... But people have higher needs than income and a roof. Higher needs like acceptance by peers, intimacy, respect, etc. Men have a harder time finding intimacy emotionally, and it's no surprise that men are killing themselves at record rates. It seems like what women really want is for all men below an 8/10 to just off themselves so they no longer have to look at them.. Nothing about this situation seems fucked up to you? Is aesthetics the only thing that matters now? Is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 04:18 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH --No drugs/alcohol --gimme 20% of your income --You don't get to see your child at all for 18 years This bitch is looking for Jesus himself lmfao
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/10/19 03:56 PM
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I meant sell out to what society wants as in: Be well-behaved, get a degree, a career, be family oriented, etc... None of the above will work anymore for attracting a woman and men like this have to rely on pure luck or settle for women that are well below them in attractiveness and value (and usually have illegitimate children that they need provided for) This is why r/whereareallthegoodmen is so hilarious, because it's just a bunch of delusional women who want the best of both worlds and are u…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 03:52 PM
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Yeah we could definitely chill out on the workoholism
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 03:50 PM
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Yeah women pretty much are the judge for how men act because for most men, they've wanted women first and foremost. All I ever really wanted in life was to have a good relationship but shit... seems like women just wanna fuck fuckboys rn
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 03:49 PM
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The problem lies with women, if women did not reward "toxic masculinity" it would have died so fast we'd have no concept of it today. You're missing the entire point. You're just being an ideologue here. Maybe you should contribute your own ideas to the discussion rather than regurgitating things you've heard on TYT
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 03:37 PM
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I'm starting to hate that women of all Races complain about these type of men but the same women scream at the heavens about how much they've been hurt by these men always go back to them and reward them. You hit the nail on the head my friend. Women reward shitty behavior in men, and then blame the population of men who are well behaved for being "toxic." It's all horseshit because women basically have the power to define what a "good man" is (the men that get to reproduce) In reality though, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 03:21 PM
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What about "You look like you have plenty of eggs left, MAMA"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 08:04 PM
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The bf has to protect her from all the guys who don't beat the shit out of women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 05:54 PM
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Women don't fucking need to be protected in modern society like they did back in the day. Your biological attractions are broken
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 05:54 PM
1

I'd have hot lesbian sex
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 05:52 PM
1

Like working a soul crushing job
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 05:46 PM
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Society itself isn't worth their time, there's nothing waiting at the end of the road except lonliness anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 04:18 PM
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If effort were distributed that unevenly I'd be genuinely surprised
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 04:15 PM
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Because dishonestly is a fast-track to getting rich in the current state of things. For example -- lying about your resumé. I've heard of this happening many times and people getting away with making an extra 30k a year just because they lied. So essentially, the liar in this case is rewarded with money I could bring up countless other dynamics like this one, too
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 04:13 PM
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Because just logically speaking: most men are average, and most women are average... That's the meaning of the word average
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 04:06 PM
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Wanting to destroy the world and claim men are the ones actually destroying the world is clearly a common female kink
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 04:05 PM
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There is no way that a statement like "most men are just ugly while most women are pretty" should ever be taken seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 03:59 PM
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I don't blame anyone for not wanting to participate in this shit society. Usually, in order to get women, you have to sell out to what society wants of you. If you think you won't have a chance with women, after you do said selling out, why would you participate in society at all? Average men have a fraction of the prospects that average women have. Not to mention below average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 03:55 PM
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Technically everyone on this sub is being confronted... The guys don't seem to care so why do the women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 03:51 PM
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Yeah that's probably it....
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 03:50 PM
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Women: created incels Also Women: Angry about the existence of incels
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 03:46 PM
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Women I knew who dated abusive men in the past were also domineering to a fault themselves I'm sure it's not always true, but there might be something to it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 03:44 PM
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Horrible people get rich and live happy lives while good people suffer in poverty. Yeah so HEY LADIES let's reinforce this by fucking the worst guys, thereby making the world an even worse place. But then we also stare puzzled and bewildered when the 'incels' we are responsible for creating shoot up innocent people. good people suffer in poverty Oh, okay.. Well I guess we should just accept the way things are now. Nicely done!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 03:32 PM
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If attractiveness should be the highest value that society aspires to (and seemingly, it currently is) that society will stand no chance of doing anything of actual substance or meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 09:04 PM
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Only got shit take because Chad hasn't taught me what irony is yet
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 08:52 PM
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Yeah women have men working to prop up our dying society while they walk around acting like they didn't get their job because of their vagina
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 07:39 PM
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You: White guys are the problem with society Also you: wOwO yOuRe sO fUcKiNg rAcIsT nO wOnDeR nOoNe wILL fuck YOU
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 07:33 PM
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"He said I look good without makeup" "wowowowo what a fucking NiceGuy, better ghost his ass"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 07:25 PM
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The only beauty standards men have are that you're relatively healthy and your legs work (can open). The rest of those "beauty standards" are your fucking imagination
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 07:24 PM
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Think about how nice it will be when I'm no longer alive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 07:21 PM
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Just tell her you have formulated your own opinions. She'll probably leave right then and there
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 07:20 PM
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I mean she's probably using IT as a catchall for computer science and engineering jobs too which is even more retarded. So basically shitting on all of the smart (mostly) men who invented the social media that gives their gender a life advantage. nice. I love living here on earth.. 100% would recommend
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 07:15 PM
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I like how we have to miss the point entirely by arguing about the attractiveness of cartoon characters. The point is that women will sell out on all of their "beliefs" the minute an attractive guy has differing opinions. "well maybe I can change his mind... "
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 07:04 PM
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I've had pretty good interaction with women on this sub, the debates are pretty solid tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 04:00 PM
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yes, women ​ bad
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 03:58 PM
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I love how being in IT is somehow an insult. Someone has to help the poor old boomers like you navigate the UIs that children are already experts in
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 03:57 PM
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Yeah at first glance your post is correct. It's correct if women existed in a historical vacuum, but the truth is most people did not have rights in general.. Which has already been pointed out here. I think the problem people have with statements like this is that it makes it sound as though women had it harder in the past (by ignoring the lot men had). The implication is that men had it easier and benefited from women's oppression. Women probably benefited from all that coal being dug up, so i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 03:55 PM
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I generally don't let on that I'm not a leftist to people I don't know. Most of us know the "right things to say" or just don't get into it with people who aren't trusted friends. I have to do this though, because I live in a more left leaning place/hang out with people who tend to be on the left. I'm also not a complete RP ideologue..
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 03:20 PM
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Fair enough but the majority of the men on that sub can't approach a woman so... I think they'll be safe
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 03:18 PM
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Just like anyone with a Tinder profile can. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 05:52 AM
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An intelligent woman is my cryptonite. I love being with someone I can compete with and grow with, there's nothing better and that's what I'm currently searching for in a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 09:02 PM
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There is plenty of data out there about how growing up without a father gives you a huge disadvantage later in life. It should probably be a social stigma again for this reason alone
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 07:51 PM
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I don't understand what's so bad about it. They're not doxxing anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 07:02 PM
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You do realize people can post whatever they want right
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 06:28 PM
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Wow thanks this was a great debate
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 06:27 PM
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Is that how us guys react?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:04 PM
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I'm saying that rather than taking a 'holier than thou' stance, maybe attempt to understand what others are going thru
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:04 PM
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What are you talking about? I'm not a TRP idealogue FYI
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:03 PM
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I don't mind being called names, I'd rather learn from people. I'm not an incel, I've had tons of great sex.. so why tf would I care.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 04:49 PM
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haha.. You just refuse to understand the point
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 04:21 PM
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That's a pretty convenient definition
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 04:20 PM
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Wow you're such a good person, do you want an award?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 04:19 PM
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lmao that shitty used Honda
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 04:01 PM
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"normal dude" is what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 04:00 PM
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The consequence of being an average guy == having everyone on the internet shit on your identity for no reason other than you were born that way. Having little to no dating prospects and having to settle for someone below you or be lonely. Having nothing more to work towards than the almighty dollar, and a sexless loveless future. Yeah, forgive me if I'm not crying tears for these poor women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 03:57 PM
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"being awesome" = Starting a hedge fund and exploiting the fuck out of people with actual brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 03:55 PM
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I'm not really a mean spirited person, but being perpetually single leaves you with all sorts of feelings -- some of them bitter and resentful. Sometimes it helps to see female losers to make you feel good about yourself. Some of the posts on whereareallthegoodmen are attractive women too -- out there shilling for a "LTR" with 2 kids from different dads. It's a way for guys to laugh at girls who wouldn't come near them because of superficial reasons. Some of the posts on that sub are mean spirit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 03:53 PM
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if you are too up front when you first meet people, usually they'll consider you strange. I'm a case study in this shit, because I almost never put on a fake persona just to please others. Hence, I have little to no dating prospects. But hey, I'm pretty happy anyways :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 03:46 PM
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Yeah there's definitely some truth to that too
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 03:32 PM
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It's better not to adhere to an ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 02:31 PM
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I mean we don't know if he's being ordered or not. But yeah, generally this is true
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 02:30 PM
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I mean the "kind" "hands-off" approach. There are women on this sub saying their turn offs are basically when men they like don't touch them enough before they've started dating, or they're not sexual enough. Maybe I took it for granted that this behavior could be seen as "feeling entitled" to sex
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 08:38 PM
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My guess would be that when he doesn't do this stuff, you pick up the slack? If that's the case, let it lapse and just get groceries for yourself. You probably won't have to do it for long before he starts getting hungry... You have to get the point across somehow that he needs to be doing this stuff because it's a major inconvenience for you. Honestly I wish I had better advice. Sometimes I do let my chores lapse, but I'm a single guy and I do everything for myself. So there's literally no choi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:54 PM
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True enough. The majority of women make it very difficult on a guy using this as a strategy when pursuing relationships..
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:43 PM
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Yeah, the point is more that young men should probably have fathers in their lives who are good role models when it comes to treating others with respect. Yet 3rd wavers seem to see fathers as expendable or even counterproductive. I'd need to research more to refresh my memory, but I'm pretty sure having two parents does have positive trends when it comes to crime in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:41 PM
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Yes but you have to understand, this behavior rarely if ever holds a woman's attentions. Women themselves select against this behavior in men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:34 PM
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but yeah, of course there are plenty of guys out there like what you're describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:29 PM
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Of course there are. This activity is already illegal though.. and obviously wrong. I just don't get why you'd hold every male accountable for the actions of the lowest common denominators.. Furthermore, the root cause of such behavior is probably not "has a penis" but probably stemming from poor relationship with mom, no father, no discipline, never being told no, etc. So maybe the best thing to do if we want to see less of this behavior is to address potential causes, not scapegoat half of hum…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:28 PM
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I have not and will never claim that incels have an accurate portrayal of women.. and yes this logic obviously applies to what they say. So we've now established that neither side is completely right about the other
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:15 PM
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All men think women owe them sex. So if I don't think women owe me sex, then I'm a counterexample. All you need is a single counterexample to disprove a universal. I think you have a very warped idea of what men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:07 PM
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So the majority of men think women owe them sex? Or just the unattractive ones? Clearly women do not have a problem with attractive men who feel sex is owed to them, so I don't know how valid this point is
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:03 PM
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I like having the emotional connection, too. As a guy, nowadays is seems like women lose interest if I'm into them but don't escalate physically first... (something pointed out to me on this sub) Which always seemed kinda backwards to me, and something I usually did after getting to know the girl a bit. Seems like it all depends on the person you're interested in
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 05:54 PM
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Just treat him like Pavlov's dogs. Every time he does something from the list, reward him with sex. In all seriousness, is there any reason why he's not living up to these responsibilities? (They seem pretty simple) Does he get glued to a videogame or something
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 05:45 PM
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Backed by nature, Darwin, natural selection, we all know that height is of huge importance in female attraction. Despite seeming very reasonable and concrete, what evolutionary advantages does height alone offer? It would seem that strength would be a stronger selective criteria than height. I feel like that tall and lanky guy may not have fared too well in the wild, yk?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 05:34 PM
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You don't think (3rd w) Feminism is partially to blame for drumming up a whole lot of resentment towards men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 03:52 PM
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You haven't heard? "grab 'em by the dick" is something I hear women say all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 03:39 PM
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Yeah in general very few guys think that way. You want a guy who can take all of TRP in and come out the other side still critical of the ideas anyways. You've got plenty of time to find someone, take your time and find someone worthwhile :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 07:50 PM
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There's a grain of truth to the fact that men seek younger women, but I'm 26M and I find women attractive from a wide range of ages (20-35). If you're in good shape, this will probably hold true for the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 04:33 PM
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I know this will get downvoted to hell, but I don't think this is always as true as you'd like to think. Unless milfs are mythical creatures that no one has ever seen
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 04:27 PM
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Personally I wouldn't.. I've always valued my own autonomy and the satisfaction of doing things myself. I also can't stand being told what to do, and I like having control over my own life [ probably why I'm single ].. If you're a lifelong basement dweller, ultimately you owe your whole livelihood to your parents and that would not sit well with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 04:01 PM
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Age hardly matters if I find you attractive.. Don't worry, not all men are like "You've hit the WALL bitch it's pump&dump time." Even in my early twenties there were some women I knew in their 30's / early 40's that I would have .... loved a very long time
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 07:40 PM
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Also very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 08:08 PM
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Yeah dating was easier when I was a loser 16 year old (a decade ago).. Shit I never thought I'd say
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 08:06 PM
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yeah.. I mean I think about this stuff a lot. At times I feel as though society has become very formulaic and stagnant, as if culture is supposed to be automated too. Everything is already becoming so boring and sterile (thanks PC police..), so if everything were automated I think the world would be so plain that only the most bland people would want to continue to exist. We need to get back to a place where politics are (mostly) separate from culture, and there are little to no limits of expres…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 07:37 PM
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False.. You're assuming a consensus on what "good behavior" on the part of men is. Good behavior often does not garner respect at all. Furthermore, a man who makes it to the top from exploiting some tax loophole or getting rich from speculations will be infinitely better off than the "honest" working men of the midwest (the "fly-over" men, if you will). This is more of a societal problem. Society increasingly ignores what it used to consider 'good' because soon these 'good men' will no longer be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 07:15 PM
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Yeah personally I tend to resist conforming -- I don't really dress up nice if I go out on a Saturday nights and such. I do so by choice, because the shallow aspects of life repulse me, so I choose to reject them. I've always been somewhat attractive/popular, but I don't want people who like me just for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 06:03 PM
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I do appreciate the advice though. And yeah, I ran with a lot of super lefty circles so this is why I'm like this lol... some of my friends genuinely believe in that kind of shit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 05:26 AM
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"girls generally aren't heavily wrapped up in this sort of stuff like chronically online boys seem to think they are." Probably true. "its okay to just say its you. you're afraid. were talking about the very normal early courtship dance that happens with nearly every couple on earth, not gray rape, but youre imprisioned in paranoia thinking that inside every girl in a party dress is rose mcgowen waiting to pounce" I think you're reaching a bit. I'm talking about abstract ideas right now, not my …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 03:28 AM
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I think it's safe to say most of us over the age of 18 have. We're trying to make a point about the risks involved. I knew a girl who kept a diary of guys first and last names of every guy who ever touched her. It's like the people giving all this touching advice haven't been to college in the last 10 years
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 03:17 AM
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To weed out people who care about others' well being. Nice
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 03:11 AM
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"YES!!! Yes they do." Okay well you're the first person I've heard say as much out loud... I mean you hear people saying crazy shit like that staring at someone for too long constitutes sexual assault. Maybe I'm doxxing myself but I've never asked for consent because I've always known what was too far. I've never had a single issue with any woman, usually I'm really in tune with who's showing interest and all that. But I will say that I have become more cautious just because I know the climate o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 02:54 AM
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Okay this turned into the dating advice I never asked for lol. I'm trying to speak about the general vibe I get, i.e. certain ideas being pushed about men being oppressors to women and such. Obviously I don't treat people as if they represent these abstract ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 02:52 AM
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That wasn't my understanding of metoo
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 09:00 PM
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Listen I see how you're reading the question, and it makes sense. I'm making a separate point -- that all this #metoo will make good men think twice about making moves on women. This can deter the men you claim to want (the men that care about the impact of their actions and act with caution). I'm not saying we didn't need to purge the serial abusers, but I think it's also being applied to very "gray area" situations than any reasonable person would have to do hella mental gymnastics to consider…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 08:07 PM
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If I buy a homeless guy on the side of the street a sandwich, say for the sake of argument that makes me a "good man" You consider me a bad man, because (for the sake of argument) you object morally to feeding the homeless because you consider extending their life a form of extending their suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:56 PM
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So IOIs constitude consent too? lol this is not what I've heard lately. Can you see the ambiguity here? The crux of the problem is the subjective nature of what you're describing and the potential cost to the guy if it goes wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:49 PM
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IOIs are often very subtle and there's plenty of room for misinterpreting signals. This is the point I was getting at. This has nothing to do with me personally, though generally I'm an introvert and am not the best at picking these signals up. But I guess I'm autistic now lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:47 PM
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not really. The poster's premise was a bit vague.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:45 PM
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technically a guy being good, and you considering them good are too different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:44 PM
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I was curious about the commentor's opinion on what this looked like, and they did give a serious response similar to the others
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:35 PM
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haha so I should channel these rapey as fuck vibes to build sexual tension?? lmfao this is western femininity -- "I don't like him because he didn't touch me" "hE tOuChEd mE wItHoUt cOnSeNt" Why do you think good men don't bother with this bullshit?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:27 PM
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Example of good ways of doing this? asking for a friend
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 06:56 PM
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Personally I don't feel like it's appropriate to have anything more than friendships with female coworkers unless they initiate the extra shit (in professional corporate environments anyway). Sounds like your places of work need to chill a bit on the inter-work relationships.. Seems like a strange situation to be in
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 08:21 PM
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This is hall of fame caliber shit
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/09/19 06:31 PM
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Honestly I'm just sitting here watching all this happen as a single guy with no dating prospects. I'm tempted to be resentful but I just can't do it. So I just pop the popcorn and sit back. My main issue is that society seems to be getting more shallow as a result of all this. Which offers plenty to laugh and cringe at, but makes for a pretty sad and lonely existence for people with no escape. Probably also has something to do with the rise in mental health problems, as people need meaningful co…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 06:26 PM
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Yeah, I really don't understand what it's like to be in that headspace.. But I've watched a lot of MGTOW and MRA content and I can see where they are coming from. They're certainly not the Nazi scum they're made out to be. I think older men were sold a bill of goods which left them open to getting screwed big time. I'd probably hate women too if I had worked hard my whole life, told to be a good man and settle down with one woman only to have to pay child support when all I wanted all along was …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 06:21 PM
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I think this discussion is more about questioning why it's considered "a good thing" now, or at least people want it to be considered as such. It's not that we have to merely accept people who are into promiscuity, but we also have to applaud them. It seems like it has become some sort of virtue or mark of accomplishment. It seems as though society leans towards encouraging promiscuity, at least that's what it looks like to me. Society should probably encourage monogamy, which is far more stable…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 06:04 PM
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Thats my question. Why do we self-police where we go in gyms this way? It has nothing to do with self policing. I have my own fitness goals and I go about achieving them in the way that works best for me. The idea of group fitness classes sound pretty dismal to me.. The only group fitness I like is when it's competitive, which is why I get my cardio playing hockey. I couldn't be happier with how I go about my fitness routine. Maybe men and women have differences when it comes to preferred fitnes…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 05:33 PM
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Maybe the better term to use would have been desperation levels
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 04:02 PM
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idk man seems like the survey says millennial men are having less sex than the boomers were at our age. Fucking embarrassing for us lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 04:01 PM
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It doesn't help that male thirst levels have reached century highs. Women have tons of men to choose from who are mostly, in all honestly, way out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 03:30 PM
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When my ex and I graduated college, she moved to another state. She would still call me and try to talk to me and continue getting emotional support. I told her to never call me again. I'm not interested in only being emotional support guy when 1. Often times you get no emotional support back and 2. I'm not gonna be a free therapist to someone who is obviously fucking other people and wants to use me so they can have the best of both worlds. The point of a relationship is to have a good emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 03:15 PM
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This is a big yikes
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/09/19 03:03 PM
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When someone says "this is how it is" that is their view. This should be obvious, it's implicit. In speech/English classes we're taught that saying "I think" and "In my opinion" are wastes of space in a paragraph. People can experience reality very differently, so why does it surprise you that people have very differing ideas of what's true? This sub is two pretty polar opposite communities trying to discuss things. I'm not surprised both sides speak very matter of factly. The point of debate is…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 07:50 PM
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I would slightly change your statement to "those marriages aren't based solely on physical attraction." And declining happiness rate among women seem to suggest that relationship "situations" based solely on attraction don't turn out too well for women, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 06:55 PM
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Yeah, I think people are just allowing MGTOW and the alt-right to dictate what "redpill" means. Then when an average Joe-centrist mentions it, they get lumped into those categories. I'm neither MGTOW, nor alt-right. The point is that someone can do everything "right" i.e. buy into what society wants them to do (the blue pill), and still end up alone with nothing to show for it but a paycheck. Yes, a paycheck is nice, but in the hierarchy of human needs that paycheck is below "love and belonging.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 04:34 PM
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If I don't qualify to have to be amateur therapist for problems I had no hand in, forgive me for how few shits I give about others' opinions of "what I qualify for."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 04:01 PM
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I thought that the opposite was true -- more women having sex than men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 03:58 PM
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I have that for my shit together, I should hit her up :D
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/09/19 03:09 PM
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This has to be a joke lmfao
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/09/19 02:22 PM
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"The answer to that question, perhaps, is that a lot of men aren’t so much afraid of being accused of anything as they are they are angry that #MeToo ever happened. They’re angry that they’ve been made to think about their behavior, made to interrogate power dynamics they always took for granted, and they are punishing women for it by refusing to interact with them." I love this. Men definitely ARE afraid of being accused of anything because they CAN be accused at the whim of a woman at their wo…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/09/19 09:31 PM
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I was with you until the Christian bit at the end.. lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/06/19 03:41 PM
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