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Which, hilariously enough, plays very well into the established order. "Patriarchal" men love the idea that they're protecting women from men and that all men are the same and think one thing and blah blah blah. Just another example of Feminism coming around to eat it's own tail because it's a corporate, commodified fake revolution.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/07/26 05:46 PM
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I'm really only talking about my area, afaik, but a big issue is rather that there's no space for men, and that men might be allowed at a shelter, but they're quarantined and space is extremely limited when compared to women and children and, despite making up the majority of the homeless population, they receive less shelter.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/07/26 04:29 PM
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And here we see why single moms have the results they do raising young boys. Much more socially acceptable to project your resentments from past relationships onto your kids.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/07/26 05:05 PM
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So I need to read De Gouge's writings to learn who the one true scotsman is? If de Beauvoir isn't "real feminism," you need to clean house instead of dismissing the association. Lol Saw their bombastic reply before the dramatic block. Really proved their point by emotionally shutting out any disagreement and retreating to their echo chamber. 🤣
/r/EverydayMisandry10/07/26 04:39 PM
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Fwiw, any real-life experience going outside with real therapists, at least ime, reveal the opposite. I honestly think it's pretty equal on both sides, but I think various different factors at play often cause the woman's faults to kinda come to the surface where they hadn't before. A lot of shitty therapists that didn't really go to school these days, either, tho, so... Probably a bunch of Better Help grunts just telling them what they wanna hear.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/07/26 05:18 PM
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My problem is the same problem I have with Christianity. You can try the "No True Scotsman" strategy if you like, but with how common such hate is on these supposed "fringes" and how closely associated it is with the movement, there's reason there for reflection. And when you continue to label your movement feminism and the things you hate toxic masculinity and the patriarchy, yet act so sensitive around wanting to change other terms to be more respectful of others, I begin to think you don't ac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:33 PM
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Anyone ever noticed how through the manipulation of prioritizing saving " women and children" and changing it to "women and girls," they've kinda forgotten that the elderly are worth saving, too? It's like they completely lost the plot and forgot that this was about caring for the vulnerable, not preferring a certain political class.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 07:00 PM
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What disappointed you about my answer to your question? You're not adding to this with less clarity. Did you have trouble understanding what I wrote?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/26 03:28 AM
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How so? What answer did you prefer?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/26 03:23 AM
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Anything I would tell you would be my own personal theory. Personally, though, I think it was because Bernie is a Progressive and focused on issues impacting the working class and actual economic policies taking center stage over identity politics and social justice reform, and I think this particularly upset Liberals that seek to please business interests that seek to commodify identity politics and distract, or divide, the working class.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/26 02:43 AM
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I think it came up during the primaries, when there was controversy about Wasserman Schultz trying to roll out the red carpet for Hillary. Any of the division in the DNC was blamed on "Bernie Bros" "invading" the DNC.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/26 11:19 PM
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There's a reason Bernie got his movement labeled as the "Bernie Bros." Historically, men have often been the more progressive voters until about the 80's, when Feminism began to take center stage for most Liberal platforms.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/26 10:14 PM
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I generally switch it out with "toxic traditionalism." The intertwining of gender expectations and who actually holds/is upheld to these expectations makes it really shitty to label in either regard. I also think it addresses a problem people usually have with either term, in that a lot of people don't experience such toxic concepts with their friends and colleagues but rather in a relationship or intimate context, where tradition often plays a larger role for people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 02:56 AM
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It's really easy to point out why this is fake. They play word police with everything else, yet feminism is all about gender equality and toxic masculinity and the patriarchy totally isn't just generally targeting all men. 🙄 The caution they show in engineering their terminology plainly shows they are just a women's advocacy movement. Which is absolutely fine, if they didn't just pretend to co-opt everything else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 06:27 PM
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So what are they saying about how gay men treat other men? They seem more than fine with it, and seem to be doing remarkably well from a relationship health perspective.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/05/26 12:19 PM
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I love how these always manage to essentially come back around and insult women.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/05/26 07:52 PM
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Interestingly enough, more men were killed in witch trials than women and you were much more likely to successfully defend yourself in a trial if you were a woman and much more likely to be summarily executed as a man. Tbf, the reason we typically don't know this or it's not talked about is that the witch trials against women were typically against at least middle class families, if not nobility and land-owning elite. With men, it was usually the poor and immigrants that were executed, and Femin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 04:22 PM
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I would disagree. I think if you actually accounted for all people's actions, and not how they would prefer to view themselves, it's much rarer to find outwardly kind people who make an effort and can deliver. Plenty of people just go to work every day and, if you really look at their history, they are just human with a pretty even balance of having been kind to people and having also burned bridges, failed a promise, etc. And I don't think the expectation is they need to perfect, from their per…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 10:03 PM
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People messing up now and then is more my point. When you're looking at the "bare minimum" these people are talking about, they're talking about never slipping from what all of us want to do. Also, I would disagree that it's rare to find people who really display this outwardly. It's easy to find somebody who is generally a kind person, but not somebody that goes out of their way to consistently be kind at all times.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 09:23 PM
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I always like to think the adage is true that the bar is in hell, but not that it means the bar is particularly low. To me, it's pretty telling that they claim being a good person and doing right by people is "the bare minimum" when, in reality, such qualities are incredibly hard to find and, if you're being honest with yourself, you probably aren't meeting that "low bar." Fact is these people aren't saying anything about men, but their own standards being misplaced, not "too low," and they just…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 06:00 PM
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Good money says these will be the rare examples where the husband initiates divorce. I've known women like this, and they're probably about 2 years away from either a divorce out of nowhere or getting cheated on. Not that I condone cheating, but in this circumstance, mostly only because it only causes more drama and bites them in the end.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/05/26 12:12 AM
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Sorta. Issue is the same as birth control. It's not any plot against women and, rather, just how biology works for the different sexes. Boobs are inconvenient, and birth control is biologically harder to work out for people who create new eggs every week for most of their lives.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/04/26 03:00 PM
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Also important to get in that part about how they otherwise love policing language. That's one of the issues that particularly disconnected me from Feminism early on and makes me roll my eyes when they say it's actually just about equality or start taking credit for progress in other communities, particularly when those communities often criticize Feminism for co-opting their cause and inserting "white Feminism."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 05:44 PM
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Did they address this line at all? "They were also found to be much less likely to believe the economy works in their favour and far more pessimistic about their own and others’ futures. Even though young men are more likely to be unemployed, it is young women who are 21 points less likely to believe they will earn more than their parents." That line pretty much closes the case. This has nothing to do with "men" keeping women down or women actually being oppressed, and is pretty clearly a proble…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 04:32 PM
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Pop psychology is so incredibly out of tune with the on-the-ground reality of psychology and therapy. Every therapist I've ever worked with, either through my work at school or personally, has always pointed out how much easier men are to work with in therapy. We're eager to open up if you're actually a good listener, and not just telling us what we want to hear.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/04/26 11:49 PM
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It's not that obvious. I don't generally believe what people posture towards online. You asked for a solution, I gave you mine. If you're part of the solution, good on you. If you find this as a personal judgement instead of agreeing that this is a valid general criticism that you mutually regret isn't addressed more, then you might understand why I don't trust how people posture online.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 04:32 PM
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Okay?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 04:25 PM
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And why do you automatically assume that a father wouldn't nurture their children or that a mother couldn't neglect their kids and just play videogames?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 04:22 PM
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Those subsets are usually a lot less single and unvalidated than we like to portray in our Internet discourse. It's not enough to just target these men, particularly so generally. If a woman wants to be a stay-at-home mom and wants a rich husband that will support her and, in exchange, is fine with giving up agency, we should see that just as pathetic as a man who only wants to marry a stay-at-home wife and we call pathetic because he can't cook for himself, wash his own clothes, etc. Both are p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 04:17 PM
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The error is in thinking men, particularly, need to, or even can, fix ourselves. We are like this because of a social institution that is constructed and protected by everybody involved, both men and women. To say men just need to fix ourselves just increases polarization and otherism. We can't fix ourselves if half the population isn't encouraged to reflect on how their preferences in how men should act contribute to the institution.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 03:50 PM
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Tell me you buy the love bombing without telling me you buy the love bombing.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/03/26 05:49 PM
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If they tried that with me, they'd just be walking into my point, that they've now completely disregarded issues of poverty and institutional racism and this is definitive "white feminism" that co-ops issues of color and class and ignores any causes that don't come back to "men."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/26 01:45 PM
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Lol That comment in the third pic. They really do just loop around to becoming traditionalists. Gotta look for that one good guy who will defend you from all the meanies, and then swear off communicating with men. 🙄 The Andrew Tates of the world are laughing their asses off rn.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/03/26 05:05 PM
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That comment listing study conclusions definitely didn't go in the direction I thought it would at first. Guess men should feel guilty simply for being stronger and more capable, even when women are more abusive. 🤷
/r/EverydayMisandry19/03/26 03:56 PM
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Hating the "patriarch"y and centering so much blame on some vague, nebulous construct defined simply by having the wrong gender seems fairly misandric to me. There are many other systems of control that are available, more comprehensive and nuanced, and less focused on just hating a particular gender.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/03/26 03:26 PM
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Because they're looking past you, at the voices in their own head.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/03/26 11:26 PM
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Agreed. When it comes to them thinking it's a powerful political tool as an insult, it's really shortsighted. Like, if a Repub tries to insult them with gendered stuff, sure, it might be offensive and hurt some feelings in the moment, but do they not just move on and think that dude has some problems? It's the same the other way around; all this sorta stuff does is strengthen the strawman of the angry radfem projecting daddy issues.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/02/26 04:42 PM
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Way this is priced, I'm not so sure. This is really weird and he has a point that this sorta tactic usually only happens in sex culture-type venues. This tactic, to me, has always seemed more about keeping even ratios to keep people interested. Venues that care about safety, ime, have a vetting procedure and, besides paying for that, usually have very low costs for men because paying money for entry only indicates a person's extremity of interest, not their safety as a person.
/r/EverydayMisandry22/01/26 11:09 PM
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Tbf, though, that has to do with matching and a lot of consumer demand type stuff, not necessarily feminist posturing, at least when it comes down to reality and the historical trend. Which is why this really kinda seems odd and creepy to me. Not to shame the dudes. I question the motivations of the people in charge. At the very least, I don't think this accomplishes what they think it would.
/r/EverydayMisandry22/01/26 11:02 PM
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Fertility rituals centered around men: delusional self-centered narcissists centering everything around their dick Fertility rituals centered around women: Yasss, queen!
/r/EverydayMisandry19/01/26 08:11 PM
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Very TERFy.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/01/26 03:49 PM
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I've been that, and just got a black eye and around 20k in debt trying. If you're self reflecting and the self esteem you get tells you you don't deserve to be in a relationship where you're "one of the good ones," not dating might be the wise decision.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 07:29 PM
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Just because they're choosing not to date does not mean the cause is just on them for not reflecting. When looking at the paradigm of relationships available to men, do they actually seem romantic at all for the men? Maybe they're not dating because they were lonely and romantically deprived even when they were.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 07:15 PM
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Say it with me, y'all. P.R.O.J.E.C.T.I.O.N!
/r/EverydayMisandry13/01/26 09:18 PM
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"Mushrooms are dangerous. I'm never eating another mushroom again, and I'm going to actively campaign against people eating mushrooms and celebrate every effort to eradicate mushrooms from the ecology." Now, might you see why it's reasonable to bring up that mushrooms really aren't that dangerous and plenty of them are perfectly edible?
/r/EverydayMisandry10/01/26 08:15 PM
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Interesting thing I notice on the guys' side, although I'm obviously biased. But, yeah, generally for younger men, the reason they liked volunteering was simply because they're lonely and volunteering just seemed like a "good" (as in not "evil") social outing. For me, personally, it's just nice to be in a space where people finally actually assume you're just a decent person, and not either a villain or competition. Like, I think you still get this underlying caution people have, but it's honest…
/r/EverydayMisandry07/01/26 07:02 AM
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Tell me you don't actually volunteer without telling me you don't volunteer. Pretty much any time I've volunteered, it's younger men and older women. Young women are too busy being social and older men are typically the traditional breadwinners while their stay-at-home wife is just looking for something to fill time. At least that's my theory, and the most often explanation I get anecdotally.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/01/26 10:54 PM
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Switch the genders on that second reply, and that dude is a monster. She was trying to engage sex and go out on dates when it sounds like the guy is working 10 hour days in a rush job, and dude's reply was that sometimes, you gotta do things you don't want for the marriage? Makes my skin crawl. Gross.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/01/26 12:47 AM
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I sincerely think they don't give a fuck about anything but their own personal experience. They'd sell their own community down the river if it meant people would like them at the next mixer.
/r/EverydayMisandry31/12/25 08:50 PM
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Reminds me of an LGBTQ comedy show I went to. Whole time, they just made jokes about how horribly abusive and perverted men are and how they like it because it makes them kinky and easy to manipulate, and then they ended it with people literally chanting "kill all men" as part of a chorus to a crowd song. A lot of these people would literally be disappointed and uninterested in the type of men they supposedly think would be "good," and we're really just living in the projected resentments of peo…
/r/EverydayMisandry31/12/25 08:19 PM
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"Receiving five texts and only responding to one." I'd say so. Maybe I'm on the polar opposite of this spectrum, but this seems like a red flag for attachment disorder, which then makes me question the objectivity in any of her other claims.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/12/25 07:59 PM
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🪞🪞🪞 Happy people don't think like that.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/12/25 01:49 AM
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Idk if it's really all that surprising. This seems like the obvious way to answer the query if you're an actual service and not a politicized corporate tool meant to create economic volatility and sell shit.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/12/25 03:46 AM
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Fwiw, I tried asking " why is it considered an acceptable generalization to claim "men are trash," but to claim "women are trash" is seen as a toxic generalization?" I got no answer. Lol
/r/EverydayMisandry18/12/25 03:44 AM
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Irl socializing, like bars, going to the park, volunteering, checking out shows, etc. I think this is more a personal problem for me, but I've never really understood how to socialize online well. It always feels icky, and my judge of character is horrible as far as trying to find cool, active peer groups. But I think outside of my own personal issues, irl social spaces help because people don't so obnoxiously lead with their personal opinions and judgment on everything. Whether or not these peo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/25 08:27 PM
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What happened to women having internalized misogyny? So men can't be misandrist, but women can be misogynist? Oh, wait, I remember now. Women are too weak to choose for themselves, so if they're misogynist, it's still a man who is responsible for her behavior. Don't worry, guys. I'll get this feminism thing down sooner or later.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/12/25 01:31 AM
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Might not be the best advice, but I honestly like poking the bear a bit in these situations. Ask them what they mean by it being "enough," and what goal it is they're going towards. Let them go full Fascist, so the only "normies" continuing to pile on are just card-carrying choir members.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/11/25 05:38 PM
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And for the ones that are cool, guys typically don't fetishize identities in friendship the same way that women tend to. I might have a friend who is a lesbian, but I don't have a "lesbian friend" that I treat like a "lesbian friend."
/r/EverydayMisandry24/11/25 10:35 PM
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And plenty don't. Intersectionality trades out the fight against capital with the fight against "men," as the absolute oppressor, while paving the way for the oppressed to be empowered by capital.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/25 05:49 PM
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Nah. I was dating and hooking up with women who "were happily single" and still constantly in some sorta relationship drama resulting from mixed signals after hooking up and/or panicking if they didn't have a date every month. I made the choice to be "single" because I had the same problems they had, that I was too emotionally dependent on external motivation and validation from others. I don't generally believe the meme about women "being happy single" because, at least in my experience, we are…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/11/25 10:55 PM
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Yep. Shitty thing is, at least if you're from the US, the con part of that doesn't mean very much, at least from a voter demographic perspective.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/11/25 04:06 AM
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"C'mon, guys. Don't you know men are just naturally more ambitious and women are just naturally suited to domestic life? I'm totally a feminist, btw. Really deconstructing those gender paradigms and shit."
/r/EverydayMisandry05/11/25 03:58 AM
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Majority of teens I know were not shallow. Only the "popular" kids mixed up in the game were that way, and that's because all their focus was centered around how to get people to like them, instead of digging deep and learning about all the cool shit out in the world.
/r/EverydayMisandry31/10/25 11:33 PM
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Which I always find kinda funny, because it basically counteracts everything they supposedly stand for just for a cheap and hurtful joke. Apparently, only women can be soft because of all the disadvantages they have to deal with, but nevermind that if you accept this softness and these disadvantages as inherently feminine, that would also indicate that women are inherently inferior.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/10/25 12:02 AM
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I'm not arguing whether or not it's true, but whether those true figures are being manipulatively presented. It's a given that men would spend more time on the app to get the same amount of value if they're getting remarkably less feedback. Like, if three women join each week and then stop using the app within a few weeks and three men join each week and stop using the app within a few months, with new members coming in each week, men on the app at any specific point in time would vastly outnumb…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 09:46 PM
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Okay, but your initial claim seems insultingly generic, in reference to this post. The guy is really only using dating apps as an example of a wider phenomenon, and the discussion really isn't any different than feminist subs discussing how women are treated in the wider dating scene. And I think you're being dismissive and using biased figures with that 80% statistic. If 5 women find a date in a week and 5 men find a date in 6 months, that's still 5 from each gender using the app equally, but I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 06:38 PM
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They're just a troll. I wish I could know their username to go ahead and block them. And I don't mean they're just a troll, in the sense that maybe they don't actually think like that and just wanna be an asshole. For whatever reason, they are just damaged goods not interested in repair, and they are on a mission to be completely devoid of reality and just blindly assign hate to whatever identity traumatized them. They are a sad case worth thinking on, as far as how they reached this place. But …
/r/EverydayMisandry20/09/25 05:07 AM
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I can't really make sense of your question since you're just giving me the label of misogyny, instead of specifically referencing how all these rotate only around hating women. I do think that both men and women have problems with misogyny and misandry, and it translates differently through all the different ways men and women can be raised to compete/cooperate or attract/repel the traditional genders we're supposed to associate with. I just don't think it's all centered around hating women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 02:04 AM
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Concerning toxic masculinity, do you understand how such a division is very tricky for the one performing this masculinity, and how "positive" masculinity seems more like it's in service to you, and not me living my best self? When you let guys walk over you because femininity is associated with feminism, do you think such feminism is toxic and that you're at fault for your toxic femininity? And more importantly, do you think being called out as such from people who don't really understand what …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 05:11 PM
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Just to be clear, I'm sincerely not accusing you of anything. I'm being glib and you can say I'm implying certain things by using your phrasing against you, but that really is just to test... I guess, the gap of communication between us. If you think the patriarchy exists (it might shock you to say that I agree), can you entertain the possibility that both men and women mutually agreed that men and women should have certain roles and that, because *people* are shit, the unfortunately named "patr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/25 01:27 AM
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I didn't tell you what you believe. That's just my line. If you're gonna believe in the patriarchy and you're gonna rob women of their agency by assuming misogyny guides their thinking, and not some misguided religious notions around life and literally not wanting to fucking murder somebody, then I think you really just hate men and don't accept that free-thinking women can make mistakes that have nothing to do with being co-opted by a government of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/25 01:14 AM
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If you believe in the patriarchy, and you believe the only women who vote Republican and pro choice do so because their abusive husband told them to, you hate men more than you actually want to empower women (that don't agree with you).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/25 12:10 AM
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These young men aren't trying to be attractive to other young men, so I'm not sure who they think is doing the socialization.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/09/25 05:46 PM
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I'm leaving this thread and this sub before y'all give me an aneurysm. If you weren't a hypocrite and were capable of reflection, you wouldn't have ever made an appearance in the first place. Lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/25 05:02 PM
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Probably. Just don't wanna be around when he takes her off that pedestal, and suddenly all those things he would never do to women and all those things women are flawless at becomes irrelevant when he's decided, for some reason or another, that she's no longer a "woman."
/r/EverydayMisandry17/08/25 09:52 PM
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Likely just rationalizing her own abuse. Every kid I've met who was disciplined with violence turned into a hellion once they were big enough to fight back.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/06/25 01:09 PM
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I would say women in the Western world aren't so much oppressed as much as put on a pedestal, which does explain the sexualization. The "patriarchy" does make men into the actors and providers that are free to serve combat roles in the military and get put in the grinder, have more responsibility with lengthier criminal sentences, and are judged as generally more capable and, therefore, feared. But that system is also designed to assign women as the "prize" and a sacred being to be protected. So…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/25 02:37 PM
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"Replies to their ban messages will be archived without being read." One of the most braindead mod teams I've run into, and I'm happy I got banned from that place. They're just proud to be ignorant and reactionary while they clutch onto a dwindling echo chamber.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/05/25 12:29 AM
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"Why are all men trash?" "...Anyways, what's in your wallet?" Trash attracts flies attracts trash attracts flies attracts...
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/25 05:07 AM
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Make the enemy seem simultaneously all-powerful and idiotically weak. Sound familiar?
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/25 05:48 PM
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She should look into who generally hires the services of male movers, and who tends to break their back doing it themselves. I'm sure my local moving company, College Hunks, might be insightful.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/04/25 05:09 PM
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I agree it could be individualized, but there does seem to be some enjoyment of being the victim here. It sounds like she's looking for somebody to chill and play video games with, like complaining about her shitty boyfriend that she'll never leave is a nostalgic pastime for her.
/r/EverydayMisandry22/04/25 12:21 PM
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She has no idea what she's talking about, because she's never been in the role of initiating. For her, things just "click," and guys are just idiots for not being patient for the magical "perfect timing" for any moment of romantic affection. This generally becomes pretty obvious when you actually personally know some of these women and try to role play with them as men. They have no comprehension of the confidence needed from men and the complexities of what it means to be framed as the assaulte…
/r/EverydayMisandry18/04/25 02:07 AM
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Claim "living your best life" while responding to somebody about how they're getting progressively abandoned by former friends and how they're struggling with making friends with anybody that isn't part of their online echo chamber. Sounds happy. Totally doesn't sound like a cult.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/04/25 12:21 AM
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"Trans-inclusive." As long as the trans women are "one of the good ones."
/r/EverydayMisandry14/04/25 04:08 AM
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Don't necessarily agree with all these as answers necessarily (not that I think they're wrong, just my advice would be closer to telling them to fuck off. Lol), but I do find it striking that these are all options one individual can actually accomplish, as opposed to broad overarching policy decisions and social structures that we can just fix with a snap of our masculine fingers (when they aren't opening jars, ofc).
/r/EverydayMisandry08/04/25 05:50 PM
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It's not so much that women won't date them, but that they see more women date them when they adapt his lack of ethics. They're just attention whores who either don't have much of a conscience or lost it somewhere along the way of pursuing how to get attention and affection at any cost. At least this seems to be my perspective. Growing up, guys I knew who were into guys like Tate weren't particularly unpopular and, if anything, they tended to be the more popular types who were more interested/ob…
/r/EverydayMisandry07/04/25 06:49 PM
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Honestly, looking at them like they're a lost cause and moving on is an underrated response. They don't matter. I think it's probably more important you just show they won't mix you in their drama. Given time, they'll be proven wrong when the people who wanna hang with you aren't necessarily men, but rather people whose lives aren't miserable and who genuinely want to have fun without making a certain class of person into a pincushion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/25 02:22 PM
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I think I just got another comment from some other dude that immediately blocked me. I appreciate the gaslighting, though.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/03/25 07:19 PM
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Why didn't you stick with your original comment? This sounds witty, but it means nothing. Good job sowing division for no good reason.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/03/25 07:14 PM
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I think the inaccuracy is how much gay men really get along with straight women or how they hate other men. Most gay men I know aren't the "gay friend" stereotype they have in their head.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/03/25 06:46 PM
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don't you think men were also in that second class? Yeah. More men, by a wide margin, died as a result of the witch trials than women, but we just don't care because they were poor foreign migrants and not the daughters of rich landed men. I'm just responding to the commenter and including men in their assessment as far as who is actually looking for non-traditional relationships.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/03/25 06:12 PM
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You're misusing the term, "protected class." That refers to civil rights legislation that didn't exist yet. I would call second-class citizens, whose "protections" are given to them because of their perceived inability to participate as a free citizen, oppressed. Black people had their own banks, and their vote was also a little more complicated than "white skin=vote," but I'd still definitely say they were categorized as second-class at least and the "protections" they got for being property di…
/r/EverydayMisandry26/03/25 06:00 PM
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I think you might find more resistance when it comes to men preferring traditional women. Traditional women were oppressed and second class citizens, and when they have the opportunity to be equal, it can be very unattractive that they choose to still be traditionally second class citizens. If a traditional man can fulfill the role of Superman, I'd want that, too. But now that I can cook and clean my own stuff and take care of myself just fine, a housewife sounds pathetic (imo) for both parties.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/03/25 04:39 PM
1

Blaming women for choosing is a defense mechanism and a reasonable conclusion when these women consistently blame these bad guys and use the same reasoning every break up as to why it's all the fault and failing of men as a collective. On the other hand, men are already the bad guys. We blame men for being the reason for the breakup, not choosing the reason for the breakup.
/r/EverydayMisandry22/03/25 02:46 PM
10

Lol Love the irony and lack of self awareness in that first reply. Do these people not realize they're complaining, or is this just their bitter resting state? 😅
/r/EverydayMisandry11/03/25 06:15 PM
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I disagree. I can't trust a person who thinks such a way about their own sex, because it very well might be just projected issues that they struggle with internally. One of the reasons why they might think men are so evil is because before their transition, they struggled with the thoughts and actions they now project on others. It's not the only reason they might not be comfortable with their sex, but like I said, I won't give a bigot the benefit of the doubt and trust them, or their rationaliz…
/r/EverydayMisandry07/03/25 07:25 PM
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You're about as sure of that as I am, and I ain't gonna give the benefit of the doubt to a bigot.
/r/EverydayMisandry07/03/25 05:54 PM
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That's not transphobia. There are plenty of trans men that are trans men because they love themselves as men, not because they hate women. I respect trans people who are proudly their gender, not proudly hateful of their sex.
/r/EverydayMisandry07/03/25 05:49 PM
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Tbf, we also have a lot of rappers that talk about selling drugs they never sold and shooting people they never shot. But also tbf, when it turns out to be fake, the subtext as to why they thought that would get them clout is still disturbing and only makes them seem disturbing and pathetic.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/03/25 06:36 PM
10

We're. Not. The. Ones. Attracted. To. Them. Just because we share a search tag on our identity doesn't mean we can control them.
/r/EverydayMisandry28/02/25 07:40 PM
2

> The airline and their white, male leadership President and Chief Executive Officer Deborah Flint.
/r/EverydayMisandry22/02/25 05:32 AM
21

Some real weird cis gender essentialism going on there. Guess lesbians aren't genuinely sexually attracted to other women, they just admire the ideal? Love when these types reveal what they really think about sexuality and how it betrays the sadness of their own lives. They can't imagine a woman who's just wired differently to be attracted to other women, they have to imagine that these women are only dating other women as a disapproval of men and reconfiguring their means of attraction to "admi…
/r/EverydayMisandry11/02/25 04:52 PM
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Or it could be a set up to rob you. Or jealousy turns her and her boyfriend on, and you're just the guy they wanna start something with.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/01/25 08:30 PM
38

This would assume they aren't dating the trash, and that they don't really have a reason to complain.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/01/25 06:41 PM
2

Yeah, because rapists and sexual assaulters are definitely known for not being awkward around the gender they're attracted to. Fear breeds hate, and man's fear of women and our society's need to protect women is not a new concept.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/01/25 03:23 PM
2

Being used as a tool towards an end, with no particular attachment to the tool or appreciation of the tool's function. Like having a pair of shoes you really loved that lasted you for years but they finally fall apart and you find out the vintage models they make these days aren't as good quality anymore, so you just move on to a different brand. You might have said one day years ago that those shoes were the best shoes you've ever worn and that they'd keep you safe from any elements. But now, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/25 02:00 AM
11

Says the single people who can't find a man that'll pay for everything and not think they own them.
/r/EverydayMisandry31/12/24 06:23 PM
25

Good money says this same woman would get the ick if she kissed a guy and tasted strawberry or got some glitter on her lips.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/12/24 03:27 PM
1

That last except before the highlighted part about men listening and women wanting to love men seems to be very idealized self-projection, once I think how the author could've possibly connected those two specific characteristics to host clubs. Imo, men like to go to these clubs because they like to feel "handsome" in the company of "pretty" women. So, at least in reference to the demographic the author seems to focus on, it seems like the author immediately assumes that the men aren't listening…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/24 03:18 PM
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I'd say this is still talking about benevolently sexist men, and they just wouldn't admit such men are included in that category, because it contradicts their claim that they "just want to be treated like a human" and find no satisfaction through objectification, putting them on a pedestal, treating them like a trophy, etc. Not to say it's all women or, when speaking as a total means of thinking, that it's most women. But I will say a good way to become a woman's friend is to treat them like a h…
/r/EverydayMisandry28/12/24 02:21 PM
2

This reminds me of when I "raised my hand at my mom" when I put up my hand to wave her off while I was walking away, and my step-dad reacted by Russian-sweeping me and wrapping his hands around my throat. Mom had to beat my step dad off of me, yet I was the one that got lectured and punished later for "anger issues." 😅
/r/EverydayMisandry17/12/24 06:16 PM
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So feminist, he's become traditional. Apparently, all men want to be objectified as protectors and providers, and the only ones that don't are really just poors and handicapped people. 😅
/r/EverydayMisandry13/12/24 01:25 AM
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Can feminists be hypocritical for other reasons than because men made them do it with our whataboutism? Thing is it still comes off as a deflection that avoids accountability and puts it on men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 04:46 PM
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I think you'll just want to be careful about not co-opting this space. You might see discussion here, for example, that seems to dismiss women's issues in favor of men. I'd encourage you to challenge such discussion and bring a healthy balance, but also remember this is a sub advocating for men's issues, which both means that such a focus on men's topics is to be expected and that a certain amount of openness is to be assumed for men to discuss the pressures and issues they're facing and how the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 06:44 AM
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He's not likely to go out for a run when groupies are tracking his every movement online. Only real difference between women and men when it comes to their likeliness to harass and assault people, at least ime and imo, is that men are less afraid of direct confrontation.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 06:08 PM
6

First concert I ever went to, I ended up getting kicked out after getting lucky enough to be invited backstage because my friend's date decided it would be a good idea to cop a feel on the drummer. 😒
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 05:31 PM
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Lol No, John Krasinski cannot go for runs in the dark. Have y'all seen how women treat male celebrities?
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 05:25 PM
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She's just selling an image to other women who want to buy into the same narrative and, ofc, there are still plenty of men with low enough self-esteem to think their only value is as a provider. And considering her relationship history and the content of her songs, I don't think she has the healthiest outlook when it comes to finding romance, or at the very least is certainly not selling a healthy outlook on romance. Her schtick really is pretty much being the toxic self-destructive girl in a cy…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 04:55 AM
2

Paper abortion as part of the pro-choice platform. Never gonna happen given that even discussing the idea will often get you banned from most forums, but that's generally my sticking point. Specifically, I think either parent should be able to sign away their rights (without the consent of the other parent) as long as it's done during the same time period that an abortion is viable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/24 08:48 PM
2

Even online, the only times I've seen it are in angry feminist memes and what could easily be fabricated "vents" on Reddit. It really seems like textbook Russian agitprop, especially since, iirc, this is the same thing they did last time with Russian trolls propping up white feminist issues like "mansplaining," which unsurprisingly seemed to start making an unironic comeback coming up to this election
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 05:24 PM
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And I know we need to be angry, express anger, and have strong boundaries. I mean, I'm all for the last one, but why are people like this so confident about the first two being necessary? I don't know about them, but I found it much easier to stand strong on my boundaries when I stopped thinking I needed to protect them with such volatile emotion. Getting angry is exhausting, and honestly, I think it's really a defense mechanism when you're weak on your boundaries.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/11/24 12:45 AM
15

I don't even think reaching out to men to help us would have really even been necessary. I would've liked it, but what really pushed men away was the hostility and resentment. It really seemed like "men" were the bigger enemy than even "Republicans."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 05:16 PM
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I think it's important to note that there was a nearly 20 million voter dip in turnout for this election. Without raw numbers, we don't really know if young men went over to Trump or left-voting men just dropped out of the vote. I don't think men really significantly became convinced Trump would be good for them, at least any more than in past elections. You just have more men that didn't think voting for Kamala would make much of a difference.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 04:49 PM
12

Which would explain part of the gender gap in voting and why the actual majority of men just don't vote.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 04:19 PM
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What's sad is the lack of anybody celebrating or savoring the empowerment and agency this represents. What the hell could be wrong with having the money and capability to treat a man instead of the other way around? Do they not enjoy taking charge at all just because it takes effort and resources that aren't gonna be showered back on them? Like those are some big fuckin stacks. Why would I be mad about having that kinda money and a GQ model hanging off my arm?
/r/EverydayMisandry01/11/24 08:07 PM
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But she's asking women to actually engage in the process to see how it change's the woman's perspective. And regardless, that's a very poorly thought-out thought experiment that reeks of resentment and vengeance. We're not idiots. We know it's dehumanizing and we make fun of the "femoid" weirdos, too. This seems to act like all men everywhere just are bumbling idiots that haven't seen your perspective before. The guys who do that know it dehumanizes you and that's why they do it. There doesn't n…
/r/EverydayMisandry30/10/24 03:08 AM
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I love how these women claim this is the result of poor social skills while never having approached a man in their entire fuckin life. It's not poor social skills. It's equality and men not having a delusionally inflated sense of entitlement that they're warranted to cold approach women. It's much easier to engage when there's mutual engagement, and not some backseat driver criticizing our abilities to socialize when they don't even have a learner's permit.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/10/24 08:10 PM
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Then actually explain instead of just being contrary. The implicit association test doesn't get past the fact that everybody's giving a palatable answer that they think would be acceptable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/24 12:13 PM
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What did they do? Seems like they basically just asked them if they think of themselves as hateful people. It's not an invalid claim to say that this study would be heavily impacted by one having a more positive perception of themselves and wanting to give a PC-friendly answer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/24 11:30 AM
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This is kinda off-topic, but it took me way too long to figure out that the husband didn't eat the kids.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/10/24 02:35 AM
6

Technically, the hypothetical was supposed to demonstrate exactly what it did. People easily make decisions against their best interest when you play to emotional biases.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/24 02:18 AM
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I just see more men do it than women. That's a source. How are you determining the gender of these people? Any chance you're just assuming anonymous people are the default of men? I was only giving possible explanations, without bias to either sex. I disagree. I think your reasoning is biased towards framing women as weak, and I think that was unnecessary and a bit of a distraction. If women were seen as in equal strength with men, it's not a given that women would be equally included in the cul…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/10/24 12:19 AM
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Men are the ones that usually say certain men have "punchable faces". Where's your source for this? It's a fairly common sentiment to express, and it doesn't take actual physical strength to threaten. There's likely just as many women living vicariously through the Internet and wanting to emulate the toxic stereotypes they feel keep them down. And it could also be more than one reason, like the fact that we see men as stronger means we see violence against them as more valid and we don't care as…
/r/EverydayMisandry05/10/24 11:38 PM
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Would it be misogynist if we made a list of celebrity women we didn't find fuckable? Why is it that most "punchable faces" are almost always men?
/r/EverydayMisandry05/10/24 09:12 PM
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It depends on the guy, but I'd default to no. I think some guys would think they like being objectified, but I think that's because they don't really understand what it would look like in practice. Men would definitely love being admired and told they're handsome or flirted with or that sort of thing. But objectification is really about disregarding somebody's personhood and treating them like an object or a tool, and I think when you frame it like that, a lot of guys can actually understand wha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/24 01:12 AM
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It's not better. It's just not dismissing men as being blissfully happy because of the way things are because apparently the world is set up for us and nothing bad ever happens to men unless it's the fault of other men. The misnomer is that the patriarchy serves to absolutely benefit all men, not specifically landed, rich, white men with power through corporations and politics. Men have been put in the meat grinder and thought of as beasts of burden for centuries. It's not a given that we'd gene…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/24 12:28 PM
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As far as I've looked into it, going into therapy myself as a man and speaking to the therapists I've been going to, the shortage isn't in men seeking help. There's a backlog of men, particularly, because there are a shortage of therapists, psychologists, etc., actually trained in male-specific therapy and psychology. Imo, the problem is that we've always assumed that general psychotherapy was built around men in a patriarchal society because we usually assign the male as the default, but when i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/24 10:13 PM
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"All men are allowed to abuse women." Then stop allowing it. In reality, I suspect this is more of a personal issue than a broader social statement. It's easy to be an asshole to somebody who thinks you can never be anything else and, in fact, it's very difficult to do otherwise.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/09/24 03:51 PM
3

This is a pretty similar very well-established concept that's often pointed out with Feminism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 11:05 PM
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Not a bad idea. Just remember to think of it as a new beginning, and try to come in to the new place with confidence. Maybe start looking for jobs that might need you to travel, and then come in with your wheels spinning making a new living.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/09/24 04:13 AM
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Fwiw, I've found it helpful to lead with the assumption that everybody is struggling and that we all face adversities. I don't mean this as a dismissal of your concerns, I just think this is a good assumption to keep both when it comes to maintaining your own mental health and that you should look for friends and partners who see the same picture. I don't mean this as any sorta solution, particularly towards the main thrust of your post about struggling to find a job. It just struck me with your…
/r/EverydayMisandry18/09/24 03:58 AM
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Would it be normal for us to be apprehensive of every woman because they excuse and even fetishize such behavior for men? It's a people problem.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/09/24 02:34 PM
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They make good snipers by what I hear. Just standardize physical requirements and allow whoever fits. I know plenty of women who I'd easily trust in combat and plenty of men who I wouldn't.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/09/24 10:36 PM
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Statistics generally show what makes a difference is having a father in the household, not this idealistic super mom they've got in their heads.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/09/24 06:54 PM
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Seems reasonable until you start dating and you see a lot of women just dating the same shallow men over and over again or breaking down in tears if you let it slip that you don't think they're the most beautiful person ever to exist. A lot of guys genuinely do like how women look (and their personality and ability to relate) when they don't care so much about makeup. I think a major issue, really, is a lot of these women are looking for somebody to treat them like a princess instead of a partne…
/r/EverydayMisandry28/08/24 04:11 PM
2

I always love the obsession Feminism seems to have with Wicca and the surprise they have when it gets "twisted" into toxic bs. Who would've ever thought a cult started by an old white guy with a bunch of women following him would be toxic and objectifying of women. It's not like "Wicca" literally means male witch or that a lot of these early covens were just a bunch of "witches" worshipping some male guru. 😅
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/24 03:05 AM
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I've been struggling with a little of this recently. About a year ago now, I got out of a fairly short abusive relationship and during the relationship, I had taken a break from social media to focus on the relationship and some of the issues at the time. I basically disappeared. Not a single person ever called to see if I was okay (which I wasn't) and if I needed help (which I did). Ofc I could've reached out myself and that's really not all that bad other than it's a pretty consistent result. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 03:53 PM
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I'd argue it would make the single father issue better. The threat of child support, especially with how soulless and thoughtless it is, creates a lot of fear and resentment that leads to a justified feeling of escaping an unjust system, one which that person will also find a lot of support on from other people that will support the narrative that the mom is just abusing the system to get cash. Make it an actual choice to be a father, and single fathers who aren't there become entirely at fault …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 05:26 PM
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Nah, I'm afraid that men will kill me, too. I just don't view myself as defenseless and in need of a savior.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 05:11 AM
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Apparently, it's aggressively defensive to treat sociopaths like they're disconnected from society. 🤯
/r/EverydayMisandry10/07/24 10:20 PM
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The "rational logic" of agreeing with whatever makes them feel better and bottling up our own feelings to please them. Ah, the forward progress of Feminism.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/07/24 04:22 PM
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Yeah, that pizza cake artist has been going down a bit of a rabbit hole ever since they got crowded out by the wave of "sex is funny" comics. Tried making fun of them and that didn't work, so they started making their own sexualized comics and that didn't really work either. Seems like they're just going from fad to fad now in an attempt to stay relevant.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/06/24 02:48 PM
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Besides the fact that the study, itself, is erroneous, people in general should keep in mind the practicality of taking care of an invalid who had no career, no healthcare, no retirement, etc. To me, this really just demonstrates the modern incompatibility of specialized relationship roles in a modern individualist culture.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/06/24 02:33 PM
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At least they care about the caricature of "man" that they've built in their head. SOL if that illusion gets broken, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/24 09:14 PM
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Correlation doesn't prove causation. When more than half of marriages are ending in divorce, you're really looking at survivor statistics on who made it through. So statistically, it's not really that married men are happier but rather that the ones who make it through and are successfully able to keep a marriage together also tend to be healthy, happy, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/24 10:39 PM
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Kinda funny that their projection kinda invalidates the post she's responding to. She goes off on a tangent about men having angry outbursts and not having emotional control, but she's literally responding to a post about a guy who was nonchalant about their friend having a rough time and the girl not having emotional control in response (hell, I'd love it if my friend was proactive about getting some grub when I'm too in my feelings). Really funny, because it's a pretty good representation of p…
/r/EverydayMisandry04/06/24 03:57 PM
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Honestly, I think it's because racial divides led to actually entirely negative oppression. There's not any significant number of black people that want to go back to being house slaves because being a house slave actually sucked, regardless of whatever benevolent slave master stereotype you want to dream up. On the other hand, women, as a class, did receive certain advantages under traditional gender roles that black people didn't really get under traditional racial roles of the past. Black peo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 04:02 PM
3

Also traditionalists. Lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 03:57 PM
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I just don't get the point of the hypothetical (the original one). Seems more supportive of traditionalism than feminism. Like, yeah, I acknowledge men are much stronger than women, generally, and that this must be pretty terrifying for women. But this idea that a man's purpose is to stand in the defense of women to protect them from other men is pretty much the underlying foundation for traditional gender roles. I grew up learning how to give women space to stand up for themselves and to lead w…
/r/EverydayMisandry30/05/24 02:41 AM
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I'm sorry, but it's just patronizing. Like, the big complaint is that we won't listen, but it's like listening to a generic PSA telling you "drugs are bad, mmmkay." Like, yeah, we fuckin know. Now maybe you should finally fire the PE teacher that's been selling kids drugs and the English teacher that's been getting drunk on the job, and maybe the criticism would ring true. Problem is a lot of these men don't live terminally online and we know how the real world works, and we can all just turn ar…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/05/24 05:33 PM
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Yep. That's why this criticism falls on deaf ears. This is supposed to help men reflect on how dangerous women view us, but the fact is we already know that. What clearly confuses us is what it is these women actually like about these men that they'd be more scared of than a bear if they ran into them in the woods, but then they'll hook up with the same stranger without even getting his name if it's in a club. The problem isn't with men, but with how women view men and what it is that women thin…
/r/MensRights22/05/24 07:53 PM
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Last time I checked, a cyclist still thinks cars are cars, regardless of whether or not they regularly hit cyclists.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/05/24 10:59 PM
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Lol Complimenting misandry with misogyny. That first comment is basically built off toxic stereotypes. Guess women just don't really like sex, guise! 🙄
/r/EverydayMisandry15/04/24 03:30 PM
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If you keep smelling shit all day... But wait, we're not supposed to blame the "victim." 🙄
/r/EverydayMisandry07/04/24 11:58 PM
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I think their point is that this exception that is created for Elliot Page is because he identified as a woman when he used power and influence to gain sex earlier in life, and because Feminism doesn't genuinely think of trans men as men. He still gets a free pass, even as a trans man, because he still isn't *really* seen as somebody who's genuinely taken up the responsibilities and guilts associated with being a "man" in the gendered class paradigm they've created.
/r/EverydayMisandry07/04/24 11:53 PM
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Fwiw, I had the same luck with OLD and started working on just irl schmoozing and all that, and found out pretty quickly that I'm apparently much more attractive than OLD would seem to indicate, just judging by the amount of attention I get now and, more particularly, that pretty much everybody I date is surprised I would have self esteem issues. I think a huge flaw in OLD is that it just doesn't work for certain people, and the reason why often has nothing to go with your ability to date. I suc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/24 07:32 PM
15

"Men are dogs," "men only think about one thing," "kill all men," "the world would be better without men," "men are trash," and I really despise the "himbo" stereotype.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/24 10:02 PM
12

What's funny is ask them how they'd feel about taking female birth control off the market because of the side effects, and then they'd scream that it was retaliation from the Patriarchy limiting their freedom.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 04:58 PM
3

It's amazing how tough people can talk when they're afraid to go outside.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/03/24 04:27 PM
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TIL the pull out method is 99% effective. Lol
/r/EverydayMisandry13/03/24 03:57 AM
2

One of my earliest memories is the first day of pre-school when a 4 year-old boy stepped out of line and kicked me in the chest, knocking the wind out of me for the first time out of what would turn out to be many. My very first memory is a 15 year-old babysitter confessing her love to me and molesting me over the course of a week when I was 3, again an experience that would be often then end up being repeated afterwards by different people. They were mean because they touched us, too. We just l…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/03/24 05:18 PM
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I mean, it's no more misandry than it might be racist to say that you have these same exact triggers being around black people, for example.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/03/24 03:59 PM
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There is also respect to be had by way of the universities. Whenever someone comes at me with 'that too academic', I don't mind retorting 'well, guess we can burn the books if you want. I'll get the popcorn. Hardly the first time' That would seem like a very dramatic response, and would just be an escalation. Not feeling included in Feminism and gender studies, as is currently practiced in academia, doesn't equate to wanting to burn books.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 12:16 AM
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I don't mean this as a criticism, but I'd really appreciate more studies like this that try to provide for cultural controls. It would be more useful for science from a broad perspective, as far as other cultures being able to find this data useful, and would create better distinctions between gender's cultural expression and the sexual status of being male or female.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 09:11 PM
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The term is too academic, which creates two issues. First, you force being associated with how gender studies is currently applied in academia and, secondly, it limits discussion to the study of gender and not the advocacy for all genders. I do think the term can be useful in certain contexts, hopefully moreso in the possible near future, but I do think it is currently limited in practice and definition by being strictly academic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 08:59 PM
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I experience similar issues, but I can certainly imagine some places being worse than others and I never really delt with exactly what you described, as far as mostly working with younger people doing community service, which I could imagine would feature a lot of people dropping out and coming in a lot of the time. What helps me, though, in that regard is diversifying my activities. Don't have just one place to volunteer, but rather find a few different places to cycle between and try out. And …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 10:38 PM
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Hey, I wanted to respond to this, and kept forgetting to. :-/ Just wanted to tell you that I experienced the same thing at first, as far as those weird slightly negative encounters. And I will admit it's a consistent issue. But if you focus on the volunteering and the purpose of just wanting to go out and help people and maybe meet people on the way, that majority of cool people that you meet does start to make a difference. The negative people stick out in your mind from moment to moment, but i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 07:24 AM
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Live how you wanna live, and if she doesn't adapt, so be it. It sounds like you're essentially moulding yourself to her, while she gets to wrap herself up in political extremes that you ultimately validate by sticking around.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 04:29 PM
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Volunteering and being active in that sense, as far as helping with non-profits and stuff, has been a good outlet for me. I agree, though, that it's hard to get motivated and connected to politics when the people you agree with are so adversarial and negative towards you. I'd rather just help out locally with the community and have my impact felt that way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 01:43 AM
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"Yay! Proud queen! Celebrate oppression! I love what I'm seeing!" Lol Just goes to show they see being a victim as a novelty.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/02/24 05:54 PM
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Damn. I never thought mentally unwell people would be mean. That's entirely unexpected. 🙄 And she had to assemble that from different sources to, like, invent a reason to get pissed off, if I understand this correctly?
/r/EverydayMisandry24/02/24 03:59 AM
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Our stuff usually doesn't make it to the front page. At least that's what generally seems to cause the most overrun with feminist groups to me. They're just more popular and mainstream, so they attract more onlookers. Here, particularly, I think you don't see it too often because the majority of people here argue from a more neutral position that doesn't rely on guilt and emotional incitement as the basis of their argument. This slices both ways, and I think the more extremist men's subs get ove…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 01:50 AM
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Ah, didn't realize the post was a link itself. I was talking about the one in the body.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 04:03 PM
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Y'all know of any games with an easy mode where you die sooner and more often?
/r/EverydayMisandry23/02/24 03:12 PM
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That top comment is a perfect example of how close-minded and ignorant redditors can be. "I've found one single flaw in your discussion, so that gives me an excuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater every single issue you've brought up." 🙄 Never had a chance with that person.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 03:08 PM
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Agreed on the title. I really value the conversations I find with women in these spaces. Y'all often provide a sobering perspective of how a lot of this misandry develops and a much-appreciated understanding and respect of how this sort of thinking hurts men and, by extension, everybody. It's really refreshing to see that this isn't "men vs women," but that it has to do with core values about how people should be treated.
/r/EverydayMisandry22/02/24 04:47 AM
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Lol That last tweet. Truly the words of an oppressed woman living in fear from predators. Time to go out and get railed/ smashed/pounded and have a stranger "get up into her guts" (had a woman use that on me once. Fucking ew), and then wonder the next morning why all guys (she pursued) are predators. It truly is a mystery.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/02/24 03:16 PM
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They're basically describing why Patriarchy infantilizes women. Maybe they should get back in the kitchen and start doing the only thing that makes them important and squirt out babies while we take care of the real work. 🙄 Fwiw, I'm being heavily sarcastic. I'm a modern man and I don't give a fuck who I annoy with my existence, but I ain't going to war and I ain't gonna be getting off this ride early. I'm here whether y'all fuckers like it or not.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/02/24 02:03 PM
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I think this is a good example of the real quiet majority. Opinions that aren't shocking or bombastic simply don't make good memes, but it is vastly the majority of the way people actually feel. But given that we learn to communicate through the propagation of memes, this tendency to think that memes represent majority thought is a common flaw in the propagation of mass media.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 06:12 AM
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Only men I know who literally can't cry wish they still could. When we're saying we're not allowed to cry, it's not that we don't. It's that we have, and we suffered as a result.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/02/24 09:41 PM
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They just need the advice I was given as a man. Quit being a p* and stand up for yourself. Nobody is gonna be there to pick your ass up, so you better learn to pick yourself up your own damn self.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 02:51 PM
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"now isn't the time for a 'not all men' response." Lol So self-important. Makes it sound like we're about to get wiped out by a meteor made of dicks.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/02/24 04:36 PM
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What comment are you actually referencing?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 09:59 PM
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There's no irony. You haven't addressed the dilemma I brought up at all and my actual reasoning, accusing me of a false choice. Congrats on meaningless change that will just get reversed 50 years from now. Just kicking the can down the road, and you're using self-righteous, empty moralizing to deflect criticism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 05:10 PM
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Fuck off. I'm obviously not illiterate, and you're not actually engaging anything I said. Keep being a naive philosopher spouting platitudes if it suits you and your virtue signaling. I want actual change.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 05:06 PM
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'Kay. Sounds trendy. Wish they woulda had the same slogan for us. 🤷 Like, you're really gonna dismiss what I just said with a slogan about "rights aren't bargained for"? Are you not aware of human history? Rights aren't just given away, either. History says you either bargain or there's bloodshed. I'd rather avoid the backlash of the latter and actually see this progress take hold. Your slogan doesn't really address that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 01:38 PM
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If the issue is bodily autonomy, then getting rid of male-only military drafts would be a good political gesture in response. Tbc, my issue is largely political. You can argue the philosophy of whether it's "equality" to refuse abortion without paper abortion being ceded, but when you look at the larger picture and what changes are likely to hold and what will actually create progress, it's just not realistic that women will maintain the right of abortion without ceding progress for the other 50…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 07:16 AM
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This is why I've decided to be neutral these days on abortion rights ever since the Roe v Wade decision was reversed. That decision was precedent since 1973 and Feminism spent the time since then fighting tooth and nail against men having any say in their right to choose. When the abortion bill includes a rider that gives men the right to sign away their fatherhood (without consent of the mother) within the same time frame that the woman can decide to have an abortion, I'll advocate for it, and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/24 07:37 PM
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who predominantly are responsible for perpetuating violent crime, How is this happening? I know you can provide stats that seem to indicate this is the case, but what actual mechanics are "men" using to perpetuate crime? I think if you explain the actual system and how these statistics get produced, you'll find it's a community effort. "Men" are living up to the expectations of society that both genders have put upon us, just as they've put these expectations on women. In the past twenty years, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/24 09:36 PM
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What's always funny is the resulting backlash that defends the dude, not by pointing out the inaccuracy of the claims or by proclaiming his Innocence, but rather because they find the toxicity sexy. Lol The fanaticism around Chris Brown is a good example.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/02/24 07:15 PM
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The problem of discussing this is that the people who believe the last thing to be fair think that they deserve it because the first one happened and still happens in some places Yeah, I'm trying to frame this as essentially "consent" these days to combat this mentality. If you're saying it's okay to do it back because they did it in the past, you're essentially providing consent for them to do it in the future.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/24 04:35 PM
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Is there a discord for this sub, btw?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/24 03:06 PM
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I wouldn't even say it's much milder. Their activism actually created change and accomplished things like legalized abortion. This "more radical" feminism seems to really be succeeding at getting back to the norm. Women are back to being princesses on a pedestal, and men are back to only being useful as beasts of labor and hired criminals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/24 03:03 PM
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I don't know what Mexico City's statistics locally are, considering homeless men, but I think one of the problems that comes up with this is that if you don't focus just on women, you realize they're just part of a larger problem. Like, in general, a homeless man is much more likely to become a victim of violent crime than women and the numbers that they're being victimized is even more mindblowing, but nobody cares because it's just "men victimizing men" and "we" should be able to solve it ours…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/24 03:36 AM
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Watching Them, a miniseries about a black family getting pushed out of a new community in LA during the Second Great Migration from the South, kinda helped my perspective on an issue similar to yours. Personally, I'm a white guy, but I grew up poor and on the "black side of town" in Tennessee. So perhaps it's my connection there and the fact that I grew up seeing the pressures the black community faces and is coming up from. But examining stories like that and understanding other communities' st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/24 09:10 PM
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I think what bothers me is that if these are nonsense people in their communities and I felt their community was one I can identify with, you're indirectly implying that I'm a nonsense person and, furthermore, that my nonsense is due to my lack of sovereignty. But if you knew me personally, you'd know that I'm a highly independent and emotionally self-reliant person, and you'd probably cite those characteristics as some of my strengths if you were in my close circle of friends I've managed to ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 02:33 AM
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What's really disturbing, if you think about it, is how this creates a cover for the people actually causing the problem. If the idea is that we're just tolerating men who are expected to cause trouble, then you create an environment where those who cause trouble are tolerated as long as they've learned to minimally assimilate and not get caught, while those who are your least likely to offend are often judged as being disingenuous and have to jump through hoops to prove their kindness isn't a f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/24 09:06 PM
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You kinda have a point, but it's not rational or justified. If you really believed this, try applying it to other social classes and see if you're as comfortable with this thinking. It's understandable, but the decision is motivated by emotion and fear and relies on flawed decisions that can lead to being blind to actual threats. As the fox demonstrates, such fear pushes away allies and, not shown in the clip, has a way of self-fulfilling prophecy. If you think all men are evil, good men won't w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/24 06:17 PM
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I was more addressing the last part of your comment. And, philosophical musings aside, it's just not healthy for people to be alone. I appreciate your take on things, but I kinda had your view going through my twenties and it destroyed my ability to connect with people and made me lose a lot of my grounding by shutting off any form of external validation. It's perfectly valid for me to want to find acceptance in a community.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/24 04:28 PM
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Sorry about that. You're right that I misread your comment. I do have to say, though, that it's valid to look for a community to find validation, and your advice is easy to say when you don't feel that the only community you definitively fit into thinks you're a monster and the community you can't really find anybody to vibe with wants you to be one. Validation is an important feeling for anybody to have, and it's easy to forget that when you get that validation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/24 04:07 PM
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🤗 Thanks for this. I remember this scene sticking out to me when I first watched this movie. Really poignant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/24 02:51 PM
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I try to emphasize how pathetic it is to take pride in being an incomplete person. To me, one of the big drives for people who want gender roles is that they've decided that since it's harder, for example, for a woman to express agency or a man to express emotion, that it's just not their responsibility to develop those skills and that they should, instead, find a partner that compensates for that indeficiency. That being said, I might have a bit of an extreme opinion on this matter. If I had it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 09:54 PM
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Yeah, fair enough. When I'm considering these issues for myself, I usually focus more on the type of venue. Karaoke tends to be my comfort zone because I find people are usually pretty platonically supportive and I've had better luck having a place to dance and sing without getting SA'd. I should be careful about generalizing this event towards the LGBT community, though. I'm more just hurt because my friend and I had connected on what I thought were similar struggles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 04:44 AM
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That's my bad about not pointing out their gender, but tbf, my friend literally introduced her friends as her "LGBT peeps," because none of them were heterosexual or cis. It seemed more important as far as how they labeled themselves as a group. And if they thought I was being inconsiderate as far as that goes, we could've mentioned that during the discussion phase. I recommended both places and they never stated any preference because their local group hadn't gone out in a while, and they speci…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 04:16 AM
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No, not as my friend that connected me to the group is concerned. I'm sure she wouldn't have blamed a friend so easily if I wasn't a man, even if we had just started hanging out since September. She would've understood people make mistakes, as a good friend.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 03:47 AM
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My friend did, though, and she was the one that immediately accused me of being inconsiderate for picking the place. We had discussed beforehand these specific issues, and that that was why we had a backup plan. I don't think their assumptions of me are fair, even as a stranger, other than in respect that my friend fucked up as far as reading her friends or whatever. I don't see why it was warranted to blame me immediately for what happened, and I don't think that's healthy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 03:45 AM
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No. Lol I was meeting 4 of them for the first time. I was being introduced to a friend group. My friend and I had gone to a few places together and we've been hanging out since about September. This was supposed to be me getting introduced to her other friends. She told me bits and pieces about them, but I wouldn't wanna speak on them through a game of telephone like that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 03:27 AM
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Literally pretty much all they would tell me. They said they thought it would be a more "lgbt-friendly" space and they were "weirded out by the vibe." Only thing they really said to me was that they didn't like the songs that were being picked for karaoke, and only thing I observed that I agree would be a reason to check out was my friend did have two guys pretty much try to immediately approach her when she got to the meetup. Fwiw, I do understand where they're coming from, but I didn't underst…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 03:18 AM
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I'm graysexual and demisexual. I'm essentially trying to find my group of people to be with. It's less generic than just trying to find people who are nice. Honestly, straight people are "nicer," but that's just difficult because we have wildly different expectations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 01:05 AM
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It was a little bit deeper than that, as far as why the person who introduced me and I were friends, but I get what you're saying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/24 10:52 PM
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They referred to themselves that way, and I didn't know all of their sexualities, so it would be weird to refer to them more specifically. I am compassionate towards their situation. We had talked about possible issues, I warned my friend that it was a straight space and she knew about it beforehand and looked it up, and I had backup places that we had agreed to go to if it didn't work out. I said certain men. I'm not comfortable enough here to explain exactly what "certain" man I am. And I don'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/24 10:31 PM
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Thanks for the reminder! I have a few opportunities on the docket I want to explore that fit that bill, so this is good. Do you have any recommendations?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/24 10:16 PM
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They were all women, although I don't know what their sexualities are. The former friend is asexual, though. Not to dismiss what you're saying, tho.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/24 10:14 PM
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I am in therapy. And I'm aware of my social awkwardness being my own thing. Straight spaces honestly usually work best, other than I'm not comfortable with why most women in straight spaces are attracted to me, and the spaces can start to feel pushy if I'm too outgoing. Like, people aren't generally mean, but I don't vibe with a lot of straight people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/24 10:10 PM
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Yeah, it was more just disappointment to confirm that there wasn't anything there in the first place. Had been getting the vibe that I was having to jump through hoops to prove myself as a friend for a little before this, so the meetup was supposed to kinda let me know where I stood as a friend. Shoulda known right away because one of her friends introduced herself by telling me how I fit the stereotype they made of me on the way to the meetup and how I was gonna be their token cis straight guy.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/24 09:52 PM
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I'm a guy. What are you talking about? I'm not planning on dating you, so you shouldn't be concerned.
/r/EverydayMisandry07/01/24 08:04 PM
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Even into a relationship, I feel like it creates weird leverage. Like, they're comfortable calling gift giving a love language until you start bringing up reciprocation. Then it's just guilt trips about objectifying sex when you're really just wanting some sort of love language in return.
/r/EverydayMisandry07/01/24 07:51 PM
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This is why I don't take on the role of breadwinner or pick up the check or any of that stuff that's usually saddled on men anymore. Does mean I don't get laid, but so be it. Mooching is kinda a mood killer anyways.
/r/EverydayMisandry07/01/24 07:34 PM
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This is a very long-winded way of saying that men should just shut the fuck up and be happy with whatever role is given to them. Yeah, most of the world treats men like disposable work horses, and those places also treat women like pez dispensers for babies. It's not "selfish" to want something better for yourself, especially if the role you're being given is the role of somebody who has all the responsibility you listed above while also being the monster that's responsible for everything that's…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/24 05:32 PM
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No, I really don't mean it to be a competition, but there definitely should be more awareness about the issues with the cultural traditions and how they subvert normal expectations. Commenter here is just assuming women are getting gang-raped basically because of gendered prejudices but, because of the context of their traditions and how they idolize women, there's actually a much stronger tradition of boys being turned into sex slaves and systematically raped until the point of suicide or killi…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/01/24 07:02 AM
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There's more men being killed than women being gang-raped, and given the cultural traditions in place, I wouldn't be so sure that there's more women being raped compared to the boys.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/01/24 04:16 AM
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Here’s the deal: Men need women more than women need men. That's the first sentence in the article. Can you tell me how long it takes for the article to actually make the exception you're italicizing? Instead, it seems the article bombastically claims men need women more, full stop, and then goes directly into how men are obviously the beneficiaries of marriage, again, full stop, and then using this "emotional" category exclusion to be selective about the stats they're using.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/24 07:28 PM
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The agenda is to back up the absolute claim that they made at the very beginning, that men need women more than women need men. That's an incredibly ridiculous blanket statement to make, and the entire language of the article is spent around trying to prove an unprovable absolute because, obv, the answer to their claim is that it's much more gray than they're claiming.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/24 07:16 PM
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Not towards the point they're trying to make and, honestly, this is an exhausting discussion to have because it feels like the person just has an axe to grind. It's just a waste of time trying to extract facts from their agenda-laden conclusions just to ultimately come to the conclusion that this is just manufactured outrage with people competing to see who's the champion of the victim olympics when both gender roles have obviously been designed to be codependent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/24 07:01 PM
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What's worth discussing? They referenced an article, not a study, and their interpretation is selectively biased to shoehorn the point they wanted to make.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/24 06:43 PM
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There's a lot of naive, stupid, inexperienced, unhappy, and not content people that aren't particularly lonely in the objective sense. In trying to fit into more social crowds, I tend to find all that naivety, stupidity, inexperience, unhappiness, and discontent is exploited through sick systems, and "lonely" people become the scapegoat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/23 08:16 PM
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There really needs to be a study to find out just how many of the men who commit crimes and are actual perpetrators of this violence are actually likely to commit suicide and are suffering from loneliness. I just sound like an incel when I bring it up, but everywhere I look, the guys who are following the rules and trying to understand how they're supposed to actually feel good about themselves without "toxic traits" are not the ones committing the vast majority of offenses.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/23 03:56 PM
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Positive masculinity reeks of toxic positivity. Lol Kronk is like the banner boy of positive masculinity. Just be a good workhorse that smiles through abuse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/23 02:11 PM
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Fwiw, I genuinely love you and I love that you're trying this hard to do what you think is right. Please rest. Please don't hate your brothers. We're all humans. And I'll tell you this also. I love you. But if you decide you hate me, I will fight back. That is my right. That is your right. Please don't keep adding to this and understand we're all people. Because if you raise your hand against me, if you try to fight me, I honestly don't know what else I'm equipped to do. I am a man. And I will f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/23 06:40 AM
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Regardless, it's a stupid mentality. If they want to hit back, that just means that we'll hit back. People who initiate actual social change have to know how to let shit go. Otherwise, it just perpetuates the cycle.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/23 11:45 PM
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What bugs me the most, imo, is how the conflict is fetishized. These same men and women that will trash the other gender will then ironically giggle about how that's exactly what they like about them. Just hard to take it seriously when they get burned. Like, why should I give a shit that you shacked up with another dude who thinks he can control you when you're only attracted to guys who "take the lead" and "just take what they want"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/23 04:58 PM
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and 'well it happened to us, so it's okay', This is where I think victim blaming becomes appropriate when these women fret being oppressed. If you think something being done to you gives you license to do it back, you're basically just saying both acts are valid. They can abuse you and control you and treat you like trash as long as you can do the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/23 03:57 PM
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I think they're just myopic and self-serving, tbh, and they're just not thinking about it that much. To them, being "gay" as a man means that you're a non-threatening effeminate guy that can be their "gay best friend." If you're too masculine, you're not "gay," as far as being gay would be useful towards their ends.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/23 05:22 PM
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Yeah, this has been one of my pet peeves, as far as the paradigm between men being assertive and women being submissive. So many women that are socially more active than I am, while also being incredibly awkward and essentially socially handicapped. It's like they're social on merit of the fact that they need to have a guardian.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/23 09:33 PM
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It's not the place that's the issue, but the mentality. Idiots will always have a problem with discernment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/23 09:51 PM
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It's true, but encouraged. From the guy's perspective, they're just shooting their shot and looking past what is often phony social disapproval.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/23 08:34 PM
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I'd be cool with dudes wearing dresses if women actually found them attractive and didn't see it like revenge. Any time I see men acting out femininity and it gets appreciated, it's not because they're seen as sexy and nurturing and beautiful, but rather that they're pathetic and humiliated and it's about the woman feeling like she's gained power over her partner. Like, look into the kink scene and see how many male brats and princes are desired on the kink scene, and then look at how many gimps…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/23 07:46 PM
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I think, if they were honest with themselves, you can't be allies with somebody from a group you're terrified of. It's not my job to convince you I'm human. They have to resolve that shit and realize I'm to be judged alongside every other human before I can be trusted as an ally. Otherwise, the people that will gain their trust will be the people who are best at manipulating, not those who are best at living their true selves. If you still live in fear, those living their true selves will be bet…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/23 04:04 PM
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I figured men don't read romance novels for the same reason women don't read pulp. Most of it fucking sucks. Lol Both genres blatantly pander to gender stereotypes, especially along the fringes. Sci-fi and fantasy was pretty gender-stereotyped up until maybe about the 90's but I'd say those genres are good modern examples of a genre that doesn't rely entirely on gender stereotype pandering, and I'd be surprised if the reading demographics didn't express that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/23 06:23 AM
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Because men who refuse to participate in "the Patriarchy" would likely be oppressed, but Feminists don't bother recognizing that because "all men are privileged." It doesn't occur to them that men who are actually willing to change might experience resistance and alienation. Don't think this explains everything, it's a pretty complex issue. But speaking from personal experience, I think this has an impact.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/23 02:41 PM
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About as much misandry there is in feminist communities. That's not to dismiss the misogyny, but just to understand why I interact with, and understand, it. There is a certain measure of misogyny in any authentic MRA community simply because it is a safe space for us to get these thoughts out and express them without having our intentions questioned. I do raise an eyebrow at some of the stuff that gets said now and then, and that has caused me to be pretty selective and pretty limited about the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/23 03:40 AM
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> Well, one of the main side effects of male hormonal birth control is... loss of desire to have sex lol. I was wondering about this. I've heard similar from women I've been with on female birth control, but moreso that birth control tends to "warp" their sex drive and push them into being attracted to guys they normally wouldn't be off birth control, not so much that it diminishes their sex drive. It makes me wonder if this is more of a cultural thing, where birth control diminishes the drive f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/23 01:42 AM
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Fwiw, my last ex-gf used to beat on me and flash into rages, pretty much going all out. Got a black eye, a fat lip, and a couple other minor bumps and bruises from the ordeal. During one argument, she was blocking the door and just wailing away and I got tired of just standing there and taking it so she'd wind down, and I stuck my arm out to push past her and leave. Ofc, since she was a good 50-75 lb lighter than I am, I go right through her and she stumbles backwards and trips over a table, alm…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/23 12:18 AM
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It isn't fair, and such inequality is why deadbeat dads will continue to flourish. I don't have a kid of my own, so I'm not projecting my own shit, and as far as my parental situation goes, I would've maybe been better off if my mom took advantage of her parental rights more and forced more money out of my dad, who made a lot more after the divorce. But the fact is my dad wanted nothing to do with me after the divorce and he didn't want my name on his legacy, being raised by a single mom. And wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 03:34 AM
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Benin *might be* the other exception? Looked them up and Benin seems to not feature any conscription.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/23 06:48 AM
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Honestly, I am kinda neutral on abortions until paper abortions become a thing. Imo, the reason why we took a step back 40 years with recent abortion legislation is because of this imbalance of legislation and I'm fucking tired of fighting when I know I'm gonna lose because the people I'm standing in solidarity with hate my identity too much to see the big picture. I definitely wish abortion was equally legal and accessible throughout the US, but why should I advocate for what I feel is a hopele…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 02:14 PM
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Men's greatest fear isn't being laughed at or rejected. It's being abused and exploited, only for your support network to laugh at you and reject you. A person's potential for abuse or to be exploited for abuse isn't really connected to gender. I've been physically and verbally abused, robbed, gaslighted to the point of nervous breakdowns (an ex staged a house robbery so she could keep the PS5 if we broke up, along with other... shenanigans), etc. And it's because I'm seen as a target for abuse,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 06:28 PM
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I agree. I consider Feminist spaces as advocacy spaces for women. We don't necessarily appreciate it when they turn our advocacy spaces into recruitment efforts for their cause, so why would I expect them to appreciate me turning them towards my cause in their advocacy space?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 04:37 AM
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It's gotta be a little bit of both. If the default response is apathy, then that means hostility receives consent through inaction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 02:00 AM
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Men need to band together and do everything themselves like feminists did. Tbc, this isn't true at all. Lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 12:59 PM
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Maybe they should put a "BELIEVE MEN, LISTEN TO MEN" motto in their sub and see how that works out. Any women wanna have their conversations derailed by a man taking over? Lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 12:57 PM
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I think another missing component is women accepting the role they have in maintaining the patriarchy. If you have 100 men and 100 women and 10 of those men decide men need to be leaders and the 100 women agree and the other 90 men accept majority rule and go off on their own, you have a patriarchal society through the consent of women. It's stupid that we fight for the right for women to choose between being submissive and dominant without pointing out that if they continue to choose submissive…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/23 03:45 PM
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I'll act as a protector for random strangers because I'm a man when women start nurturing random strangers because they're women. If these women can't violently stop the guy because they're men and that's their role, why can't these women empathize with this guy and calm him down because they're women and that's their role? The answer is because such expectations are practically ridiculous. If you're a woman with the means to defend a person when needed, you should do so. If you're a man who doe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/23 01:36 AM
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They want Kronks. Lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/23 05:18 PM
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These gangs and crimes have continued long after the war has ended, Because the soldiers come home and don't have jobs. This really is a pretty well-documented phenomenon. Japan's actually got a really informed take on it, in relation to the Samurai class and its connection to organized crime. Men go train to be soldiers and we instill in them a desire for combat, and then they come back to society and have to figure a way to exploit skills, which usually involves violence either as police or pr…
/r/MensRights19/08/23 09:29 PM
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the latter barely happens. And a small percentage of men also commit the vast amount of crime. War and rising criminality in neighborhoods has a very well-studied connection, such as the motorcycle gangs springing up after WW2 and Vietnam, and the gangs blowing up around the Iraq War and onward. Do you think men who rape women or steal TV's or shoot fellow gang members are just trying to be providers? By in large, yes. I especially think that's how it starts, until things get twisted around and …
/r/MensRights19/08/23 09:09 PM
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Should be cautious about drawing conclusions from conviction rate, too. I'm just bringing up the statistic to show that it's not so clear cut that we just need more women to be leaders for men to be less violent. They're still sending us off to war and still expecting us to do whatever it takes to provide. That's why men commit the most crimes. If we're still the tough guy enforcer for women leaders, we'll still take the lead in violent crime. The problem isn't what's hanging between the legs of…
/r/MensRights19/08/23 09:01 PM
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Tbf, it's hard to do anything when you have no allies among women. How am I supposed to, as a man, fight for men to have access to mental healthcare if the only validating support I get from women is for us to "solve our own problems"? Like, without that person from across the aisle validating my struggle, it sounds like I'm just trying to come up with things to whine about to distract from feminists. But if a feminist actually stands with me and says, "Hey, we keep saying men are getting crazy …
/r/MensRights19/08/23 07:18 PM
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More women in power would be a great idea, but only because it would bring equality. With women in power, they'd still be sending predominately men off to war, we'd still expect to be the provider (leading us to commit crimes to provide for our family) and the defender (leading us to commit violence to protect our family), and we'd still be seen as sources of physical labor that are ugly and not sources of nurturing that are considered beautiful (which leads to lack of accountability among men w…
/r/MensRights19/08/23 07:12 PM
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It's my own personal bias since I've experienced both sexual harassment and gender role expectations as an issue at my work, working in education. When it comes to the sexual harassment, I basically just ignore it because (a) it just doesn't bother me enough to risk my job and (b) it's not likely my complaints would be taken serious but it would then make me a target. When it comes to the gender role expectations, I think it's important to recognize that it's probably not, "Eww, I don't wanna do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/23 11:16 PM
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Yep. Not that those aren't all admirable qualities, ofc, but the lack of mutual effort and the amount of entitlement some women can have is pretty ridiculous. I can understand that I have privilege and so that allows me to be assertive or leader-like more easily in certain situations, but that's also fucking exhausting and I really can't respect somebody who just uses me as a crutch to not work on themselves or to shirk off the responsibilities that these characteristics entail.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/23 10:41 PM
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Thing that gets me is the idea that "men" instigated the abuse and were the agents maintaining the patriarchy until "women" rebelled. Every rights movement for every group has gotten off the ground because of solidarity and others seeing that helping that one identity helps them. When you frame the movement as being completely guided by women, it not only ignores the male allies that were pivotal to the success of each step in progress but you're also ignoring the legions of women that continued…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/23 07:40 PM
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Here's an article you might find interesting that I found while looking up some stuff related to your post. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/06/female-fugitives-women-crime-rates-rise Basically it's an article talking about how over the past 3 years (at the time of writing the article), women were showing a sharp increase in criminality while men have been been showing a decrease in criminality. So while the gender gap still exists and men still commit the most crime, the reduction i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/23 08:42 PM
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I think one problem guys tend to find with "positive masculinity," is it's usually about feminists just having their cake and eating it too. Like, is the himbo stereotype a model of positive masculinity? The dumb musclebound jock that has his tendency for violence neutered by his intellectual pliability and dog-like loyalty? Or maybe it's the doormat that is Gomez Addams, who constantly fawns over his wife and is seen as more of an accessory than a mutual partner in their relationship. A lot of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 12:41 AM
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Ask them. Best I can tell you was what I already said. I was the first one to respond to non-verbal cues. Last encounter, I tried walking a girl back to her car, she walked back to my car instead and asked if I was planning on taking her home and I said, "Sure." I then took her back to my place and my roommate even gave me some advice afterwards saying I was too passive. But by the next day, since she didn't like that I wanted to just cuddle for our hookup and she thought that was "creepy," she …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 04:05 PM
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Good job not actually acknowledging what I said. I can talk to women in public just fine, too. It's any sign of flirting that tends to cause issues, even if they seem to be non-verbally flirting, because even if they were attracted at any point, they have the "creep" card to pull out since I'm the one responding to non-verbal cues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 03:58 PM
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I don't think hooking up requires no emotional attachment, and I think people who say as much most commonly are lying to themselves. Just doesn't make sense to me that you can have sex with somebody and not develop attachment but you can't hold hands without developing attachment. You're just making your heart cold, and that's not healthy and, yes, is a very thin line towards just treating them badly. I'm emotionally attached to every single person I meet because I respect and see them as people…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 03:55 PM
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Not if that promiscuity involves a lack of attachment to who you're fucking. The type of men who show a lack of attachment while looking for a hookup are certainly not examples of feminist men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 03:50 PM
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Hooking up does not necessarily have to be objectifying. I honestly find it personally creepy that we can manage to have sex with a person and pretend it means absolutely nothing, but hugs and holding hands is too much. Especially considering the dom/sub power play that's typical of hookups, I really think it's unhealthy that we pretend it's "just getting off," when we're obviously performing a facsimile of intimacy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 03:45 PM
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You can maybe imagine this process is easier if you're a good-looking dude and, therefore, the signs you're reading are actually correct (or won't get turned around on you as a joke quite nearly as often)?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 03:42 PM
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Some women do think they can change a bad boy. And plenty also think they're easy to paint into villains if things go bad, and that they're easier to not get attached to. I think what OP was getting at, partially, with comparing the 6'3" guy to the 5'8" guy is not just the height, but that confidence and boorishness is masqueraded as equating to safety and not just social expectations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 03:38 PM
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I was thinking about this earlier. The weird thing is it insists that we take pride in being the bad guy, and that we're supposed to like that we're the big strong guy saving the innocent beautiful woman, and that we're never the innocent or beautiful one. And it's weird. First of all, it just seems bad for confidence if I think of myself as big and strong, but ugly and jaded, and it makes the decisions I make pretty pessimistic, even if I do take pride in them. And secondly, it creates a contra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/23 03:28 PM
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Best I can usually do is drive towards the issues where they say "that's just the way things are," like pointing out how much time they spend proving how much they care about their partner while their partner is only attracted to them if they present stoicism and an absence of negative emotion, and they just point out that's "the way things are" because "women have it worse." At that point, I say if that's the way things are, then I don't want to participate because I'm better than that. At that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/23 03:19 PM
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I don't think men were really the target audience. I'm not watching it (or any movie rn) in theatres. I mean, think on the male bro movies that go deep on the idea that men are macho providers and women are just bimbos. Those movies definitely exist, maybe like Eurotrip and American Pie, but we also lambast them for how inappropriate they were and we see them as trashy. If people see Barbie as trashy fun, that's cool, but it's kinda disheartening seeing my Facebook group pontificating over why a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/23 03:52 PM
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Because people who are suspected of cheating aren't actually always guilty, and this dynamic creates that weird power imbalance where a woman can threaten a guy that he should never betray her least she burn all of his stuff without that being picked out as a red flag as opposed to a guy saying that if you ever betray him, he'll beat the shit out of you.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/05/23 06:54 PM
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This sort of trend would be expected and even righteous in a relationship using traditional gender roles and concepts. The woman, being the caretaker at home, becomes a burden on the family if she becomes infirm. On the other hand, if the breadwinner becomes ill, they likely still have disability payments, retirement, investment portfolios, etc., that still fulfill their obligations as a traditionally male partner. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised to find that women are more likely to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 05:06 PM
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My problem with this "alternate" view on masculinity is it's rather servile and kinda seems to describe the disposability of men. Like, this sort of thinking is still pretty prevalent in toxic masculinity and it's why a lot of men bottle things up and don't communicate boundaries. I think, in general, we need to learn to relax more as far as the responsibilities we put on men. A single man choosing to be alone should be just as empowered as a single woman choosing to be alone, and he shouldn't b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 12:45 AM
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Had a recent girlfriend of mine break up. We had sex and we tried something that fucked with my boundaries and ended up hurting me afterwards. Afterwards, I try and tell her and let her know that I need a break? She accuses me of "only thinking about sex" and that I'm "raping her by pushing her into things." Like, I wasn't asking her to do anything and just letting her know that I can't do that again, but she jumps directly to demonizing me in the absolute worst ways. Sorry if that was tangentia…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/23 02:00 PM
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I think the error, really, is in exclusively tying "toxicity" to masculinity. The difference between toxicity and positivity has less to do with specific values, imo, and more to do with how you approach these values. Like, why should I feel that it's "toxic" to think my dick makes me think I'm a god if it's positive to think that your tits make you think you're a goddess?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/23 05:17 PM
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It's time we stop using this and direct the hatred towards the horrible fathers. I'm curious to know how that works out in therapy. "I don't have any issues. I'm the victim!" Sounds healthy.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/10/22 06:30 PM
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Always hate this logic. If women are so underappreciated and not focused on in the medical industry, why do they literally have multiple medical fields designed around their gender (maternity and gynecology)? Like, I'm not saying there aren't problems, but when psychiatry was basically borne out of getting women off, I think we need to show a little more nuance and maybe consider that male sexual health might actually be underserved.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/09/22 02:20 PM
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Boys are made of snips, snails, and puppy dog tails. Girls are made of sugar, spice, and everything nice. I think that expectation that all boys are gross while girls are expected to be compliant and pleasant can be a pretty isolating experience for boys who don't typically compete well or fit into masculine stereotypes. I feel like if you were a girl growing up and didn't fit stereotypes, people would still approach you just to be friends or just because you were there. Growing up as a man, it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 10:39 PM
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fuck that 'friendzone' talk. If friendship is bad to you, you can uck right off and die alone, i wouldn't even dream of being your friend. Lol, I find this whole argument kinda dumb. Women take it personal that we don't wanna be your friend, but they don't get that we don't have trouble making friends, just like they don't have trouble getting laid. It's not that I don't value friendship, I just literally don't have the money or time to manage multiple different friendships and give all of you t…
/r/EverydayMisandry26/05/22 04:41 PM
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Jesus fuck, get a room.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/05/22 12:07 AM
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You should chill, dude. Yeah, I could fit the incel label, like a lot of the other guys who find this to be one of the most sane places. I don't have infinite temperance and there are some "incel" communities that I can vent in and who "get" some of my more cynical observations, alongside a few who share my cynical observations who I can try and help out and keep them going. You can judge me as whatever you want, but it's your loss dismissing people this easily.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/22 06:04 AM
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On the other side of things, I think you could say women want men more on the merit of how uncomfortable they are with being alone. It's a given that I always have to approach and that does leave me seeming like the wanting one, but I find *a lot* more women, in general, that literally have never been alone for more than a few weeks at a time and who become a complete emotional wreck inside of those few weeks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 09:22 PM
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Agreed, but I kinda live off the principal that everybody deserves respect initially, although maybe "deserve" isn't the right word. The way I've always figured it, starting out from a position of respect just makes everybody's life easier and it's the path of least resistance. A lack of respect mostly just saves ego and trust, and I don't think the former is all that important. Trust obviously is pretty important, though, so I get why there's a lot of variance as far as how much we can all resp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 04:02 PM
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I work at a school, so I kinda understand the feeling you're talking about, even though nobody calls me "daddy." They'll call me something like "Mr. O" or it just feels good when they come running past other authorities to me to handle an emergency (even tho maybe they should just grab whoever's closest, lol) or talk to a kid that's having issues. But in my own personal life, it's pretty much just a red flag that the girl isn't for me. Don't blame women for wanting a stereotypical man to just ta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/22 06:46 PM
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An honest tweet stated something along the lines that he was incredibly grateful for the two women that he slept with who got abortions because he would have been a terrible deadbeat dad. I think part of what makes it hard to share a story as positive is the lack of choice or part we have in anything. When I read this, I can't help but think to myself that I hope I'm lucky enough that my partner would make the same decision and not use it as an opportunity to exploit me. Additionally, there's no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/22 03:41 PM
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Diverse gender roles defined by the person assuming the gender. Which technically is possible now, but with the exception that society in general will push you into defaulting as cishet man and woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 12:11 AM
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"Keep smelling shit everywhere you go..." Oh, wait, forgot. We're not allowed to point out personal responsibility.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/05/22 05:25 PM
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Toxic masculinity unfortunately is a littly unlucky as a term Then maybe we should do something about it, like we do with every other political term. Toxic masculinity does not describe masculinity itself. Sure, but masculinity without toxicity is a subjective tight rope of bullshit. It's still masculine to be strong and stoic when your partner needs an emotional rock. It's still masculine to make decisions for your partner as a failsafe when they're indecisive. It's still masculine to be okay w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/22 06:10 PM
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"Complex men feelings." Lol, wonder if they contain "complex" women feelings the same way. Guess men are just too hysterical, huh? 🙄
/r/EverydayMisandry24/04/22 06:10 PM
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Not to say the trauma dumping isn't an issue at all, but I think about this whenever women bring up how we use them as emotional outlets. I really think the majority of women just don't feel like they need to understand men's issues and so they get mad or frustrated when they can't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 09:43 PM
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You become capable and intelligent, though, by actually overcoming hurdles on your own. At least that's how I figured things pulling myself up by the bootstraps and "working on myself" as a guy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 07:11 PM
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This continues to get me. Such utter bullshit balancing the "damsel in distress" narrative alongside the "proud, independent woman" narrative. Like, how the fuck is anybody supposed to be independent if there's always somebody there to pick you up and put you back on training wheels?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 03:59 PM
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Mid-level comments are cool and they get some good conversation going, but conversation is a bit more muted than here when it actually comes to criticizing feminism. I like it because it's a bit more reliable than here for actually uplifting conversation without being delusional and self-hating like menslib.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 08:55 PM
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Yep. This is my pet peeve. These days, I'm basically "confident" in sharing that I lack any confidence whatsoever when it comes to dating. Which kinda works, but only in making friends. Those friends still tell me the same thing, though, that I have to "fake it 'till I make it" while also telling me that I'll just magically divine how to not appear "toxic" or "nice" while pulling fabricated confidence out of the ether.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/22 03:34 PM
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Like, basically his saving grace for straight men was that he could rely on them to be abusive during sex, and to have pent-up issues that they'd let go on him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/22 12:18 AM
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Just to be clear, this isn't just "my belief." Again, this was a conversation I had openly with a couple, three different women, and a gay guy. The gay guy happened to be the only person to have anything "positive" to say about straight men, saying it was fun to go through all their fetishes from toxic masculinity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 01:15 PM
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Had it confirmed recently since I started going to these kink munches they have around where I'm at. The people have been cool to talk to, but they all admit that single men are really just kinda turned away from the scene and made into caricatures where toxic masculinity is practically a fetish. If you're single as a guy, people have to wonder about you, with violence and creepiness being a chief concern. Which, obviously, there's a good amount of legitimacy to that fear. But the contrast is no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 01:12 AM
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You're missing the point I was making. A lot of women also like sweaty construction workers or scene kids who wear their favorite band's T-shirt. If you're looking to game the system and get the highest number of matches possible, pandering to the average would be helpful. But if you're just trying to garner confidence for yourself or find a woman that considers your traits "manly," it's not all that motivating to change everything about yourself to fit some studied average of what men are "supp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 10:37 PM
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I think that's kinda twisting the meaning. They're talking more about how it's a common take, even if it's not the majority. I think most women still don't like beards on men, but I wouldn't be wrong to say that there's plenty of women that directly associate beards with masculinity and prefer them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 10:09 PM
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Also just gotta realize the limited impact of shaming. These guys are familiar with shame and a lot of them have twisted that into their drive or motivation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/22 04:15 PM
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Fwiw, irl, I've had this conversation with multiple women who made this assumption about men, until I pointed out that they probably just couldn't relate and therefore noticed the complaining more. They'd still just basically say they can't tell either way, but they'd have to admit that they just don't notice when other women trauma dump on them because they can actually empathize and care. As a result, whenever I hear a woman say this, what I really think is they're saying they aren't very empa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 10:06 PM
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Funny thing is I experienced all three of those things, although requiring some context. Got pulled over when I was a kid because I "fit the description" of somebody who looked nothing like me just because a cop thought I was out too late, was molested when I was 4 and I was never really open about it until I was in my 30's because the first half dozen people I told about it said it wasn't a big deal and I should be happy about it, and I've been jumped and had my life threatened multiple times t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 06:12 PM
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I'm asking her out because she seems nice, friendly, maybe we have some common interests, and she is physically attractive, so I'd like to see if the romantic interest can develop. What I'm saying is that the part about being physically attractive, itself, usually develops later. I do consider physical attraction a bit when I first meet somebody, but it's kinda weird in that it's sort of an objective checklist for things I remember liking, but I really don't get "horny" or have my heart pick up …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/22 08:44 PM
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Two things in here really resonated with me that I wanted to expand on: Most of the time when I talk to these women its just like "Hey, I thought we could do something outside the (insert mutual activity here), you seem like a nice and fun person and I want to get to know you better." It's just a casual thing, not like I'm doing some crazy dramatic love confession or something like that. I literally just try to shoot my shot, forget about it, and move on with my life. I've thought about this dyn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/22 06:02 PM
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Went to a "kink comedy" show this Friday that was pretty interesting. 3 out of the 4 comics closed with a joke about how disgusting and mean straight guys all were, with one literally closing with the chorus of their song, exulting "Kill all men!" The one comic that came to the defense of "topping" men was a gay guy saying how they were good for punching, choking, dominating, etc. Aaaaanyways, mentioning this because I can kinda see a lot of what you mean. It's fucking bullshit, people in these …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/22 05:49 PM
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Yeah, it's supremely frustrating being called a lazy loser by women that have never been without a relationship for longer than 2 weeks and haven't ever had a full-time job. I would have had a lot easier time making it through college if I could've managed to afford it with absolutely no assistance except a full-time job and if college actually at all felt like a positive social experience instead of an exercise of constantly reassuring people that I won't rape them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/22 05:00 PM
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I don't think it's fair to say they're a little bit misandrist just for not speaking up. That's not what I meant. What I meant was that since the women who make them uncomfortable are so radically misandrist, women who would be open-minded enough to shift their opinion are still stunted in some ways just because those issues aren't addressed. Sorry I didn't explain it the best. I had more detail when I was trying to write the comment that further explained this, but I had a hard time putting it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/22 10:34 PM
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Do you think there's maybe some sort of bystander effect that causes it to seem like the misandrist women are accepted? Like, I've ran into a lot of women that are also frustrated with the popular perception of men and they can see something is wrong, but they don't speak up and, as such, they're still admittedly stunted themselves in being at least a little misandrist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/22 10:06 PM
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It's hard not to feel like you own somebody when you pay for anything of value that they have, and they don't pay anything back. Women tired of abusive, Machiavellian men might want a bit more independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:04 AM
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Are your relationships solely based on you being hyper masculine? What relationships? Nobody is interested in a non-aggressive guy, and if they are, they aren't aggressive enough to let that be known. Yes there are societal pressures on men but that doesn't mean that you'll be punished in every case for not caving to those pressures. Then what do these pressures mean? There are multiple studies that show stereotypical men perform better in the work place, earn more, and are rewarded more often. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 10:40 PM
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he needs to either stop trying to be a manly man or like seek mental help Why? My chances at finding a partner and being happy is greater if I focus on my masculinity and then expect my partner to make up for my lack of empathy and sensitivity, so why would I care about seeking help to become more empathetic and less violent? Women clearly will forgive my violence, thinking they can fix me, and they won't do the same and think they can make me more "manly" if I'm tnot assertive and typically mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 08:15 PM
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Big difference. Is it a big difference in the context that I'm saying? You're completely dismissing the difficulty in balancing those two behaviors. Just like in a reverse situation where a man seeks out more aggressive/leader type women, if the woman abuses the man that's completely on her even though he was looking for a woman with those traits As a guy who prefers dominate women, I do not believe this is the case. I've had a history of controlling, abusive women and, while it is their "fault"…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 06:55 PM
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There is a difference between cold, noncommunicative, emotionless men and violent men. Is there, realistically? You put a man in a bottle where they can't emotionally express themselves because they are trying to fulfill a role, they are likely to break out in uncontrolled ways eventually. I don't think they are literally selecting for men that must be violent, but when you select for a man that must be taller than you, must be stronger than you, must earn more money than you, must make every fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 04:38 PM
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I doubt there are any women who actively insist on having a man physically harm her Then we're at an impasse, because this assuredly is the case. Women might often not see it this way and they might not realize they are selecting for these traits, but they often are. When a woman thinks less of their partner and breaks up with them because they've seen them cry, they are selecting for violent, emotionless men. When a woman refuses to partner with men who are open with their issues and insists th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:15 PM
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I feel like though the cause of all of these problems ironically seems to be other men. It's not as generic or simplistic as that. Is it the fault of other black men that black men are stereotyped as criminals, or is there a nuanced system of feedbacks and conditioning that creates the phenomenon? Is it the men that are violent that are at fault or the women that insist men be violent to be considered viable mates? the worst thing they get is the cold shoulder Not really. The worst fairly common…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:56 PM
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What do you mean when you say the modern environment is hostile towards men? Men basically build with the presumption that they are the bad guy, both in good and bad ways. When you meet a girl at a bar, you're supposed to take precautions to make sure she doesn't think you're a rapist, much like a black person might put a white lady at ease walking too close to her car, because she thinks he might steal it. As for the "good" way we're framed as bad, our lives are basically seen as expandable. Ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 02:34 PM
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Being worthwhile is good to do for the purpose itself. As far as it getting you laid, the numbers don't play out that way when you look at divorce numbers and you look at all the relationship issues we see that are so common. Again, your statements seem absolute just for the sake of setting up a rational model. In reality, things aren't that simple, and you're just setting yourself up for disappointment when you repeatedly find examples that don't fit your model.
/r/PussyPassDenied05/05/21 10:36 PM
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Then that seems like circular logic. Apparently, if you haven't "scored" and you're working on yourself, there must be some part of you that's desperate because, otherwise, people would be flocking towards you. And then if you have "scored," but you're still kinda needy and dependent on others for your self-esteem, well, you're not the desperate I'm talking about because I don't think you have "reason" enough to be desperate.
/r/PussyPassDenied05/05/21 10:02 PM
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Become worthwhile and people will flock to you. The ones begging, dying for the attention of a woman are nothing but pathetic and will never be happy. These seem way too absolute. People don't flock to you just because you worked on yourself, and to think so seems arrogant, and it's easy to say that a beggar will never be happy when you only see it as begging when it fails. Do you think the frat dude that slept around and had the time of his life in college, forgoing studies and centering their …
/r/PussyPassDenied05/05/21 09:00 PM
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I think there realistically needs to be a compromise. Men need to "act so desperate," because being that aggressive works if you don't actually come off "desperate." It's not like the guys that get laid every weekend really actually have flawless confidence. Fact is being more passive doesn't work in the present environment for the vast majority of people. We'll just die alone while some dude more obsessed with getting laid than us continues to propagate the paradigm.
/r/PussyPassDenied05/05/21 08:48 PM
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