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The avatars have a lot of beards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 07:50 PM
1

Gooble gobble gooble gobble
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 07:47 PM
1

Hey now! Let's not leave out the resident misandrists!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 07:40 PM
0

It's pure projection. Women feel entitled to pretty much everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 07:36 PM
2

You should start an onlyfarms page.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 07:35 PM
1

https://np.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/va0ugr/brave_woman_pass_a_note_to_staff/ A million dollars says she went back to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 07:13 PM
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There's a local furniture company that has radio ads of "going out of business" and "this is our final week" for like 7 years now. They need a law that if you advertise that you're going out of business, you should actually have to go out of business.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:48 PM
2

That breaks my heart. Poor guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:45 PM
1

You were pretty black pill at one point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:30 PM
3

"My boyfriend sneezed and didn't say excuse me" "Red flags!!! He will DEFINITELY abuse you if he hadn't already!! Run away as fast as you can!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:29 PM
1

Lol that was awesome!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:28 PM
2

Definitely!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:18 PM
1

Your journey from incel to Chad has been interesting to watch
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:17 PM
3

Sure. I see no problem with ranting that all humans should expect to find love and companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:11 PM
2

I don't want to turn this sub into femradebates where you have to lawyer the shit out of everything you say. It should be inferred that "men will fuck anything with a pulse" and "women are hypergamous" should include "not all, but a statistically significant number of them".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:09 PM
2

Who said anything about sex? dating struggles
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:05 PM
5

I'd certainly look at why there is such a massive disparity between the genders and see if anything could be done instead of the gynocentric society telling men to fuck off and that they're worthless pieces of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 05:19 PM
8

There's a significant overlap between how the women here talk about men's dating struggles and how rich people talk about poor people just being lazy and "I know someone who was poor and became rich, so...."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 05:12 PM
2

Feminists are batshit crazy and ignore what is plainly right in front of their eyes. Even blue pill has begrudgingly ceded ground on red pill talking points. It uses to be "personality is everything" and now it's "duh... Nobody ever said looks don't matter. Of COURSE looks matter"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 04:26 PM
2

Not yet, but he will.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:22 PM
1

How many cats you got now??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:19 PM
2

I've seen several women. They pretty hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:17 PM
4

Yes, we all know that our gynocentric society sees anything that doesn't praise women as misogyny. Red pill dares to say women aren't wholly sugar and spice and everything nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:15 PM
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Right?? Every fucking time: "Then how are ugly men getting into relationships?? Check mate!!" Uhh... We know this happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:12 PM
1

Nope. Take the whole second amendment away. I don't give a flying fuck about the rednecks "rights" to own a gun.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:46 AM
1

Of course it is. The women here are insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:45 AM
2

Cry me a fucking river. Men have never had any reproductive rights to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:20 AM
3

Guns have killed tens of thousands of minority kids over the years and nobody gives a fuck. Kill a few white kids and everybody loses their fucking minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:16 AM
7

According to women here, the only needs a human has is bread, water and oxygen. Everything else is supplemental and optimal and we should all live fruitful lives without anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:13 AM
8

generalizing=/=all Hypergamy is a well documented phenomenon of females of lots of species, including humans. Not all women are hypergamous, but the exceptions don't disprove the rule. Men are likely to want to spread their genes through multiple youthful women. Not all men, but a statistically significant amount. Men are likely to fuck any woman that is willing. Women are much more selective. Nothing wrong with identifying these traits that are common among populations and extrapolating that ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:37 AM
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If she's a feminist. That signals a victim mentality and a serious disconnect from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:35 PM
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6
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:25 PM
6

You do this all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:19 PM
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Wrong. Talking about populations without resorting to the individual is valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:18 PM
1

Is spitting sunflower seed shells out of your car window littering?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:26 PM
1

I can recognize that there are trans people in this world. I also don't think we should uproot all of society for a few trans individuals. Also, I believe there are far fewer trans people than society would have us believe. It's the new goth. Kids are trans for attention and acceptance in a community, not because they have dysphoria.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:19 PM
3

Damn. Roasted him good!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:35 AM
5

Look at how many women will call you an incel for saying you're against circumcision.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:34 AM
1

I just got a reddit warning for simply stating that women can be trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:27 AM
1

Q4M: How often does a girl freak out when you break up with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 02:40 PM
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Ya know, it's not just the everyday casual misandry that I see all over the internet. There's bound to be a few crazies. It's the 50k upvotes and 10k women agreeing with her that disturbs me. There is so much man hatred in our world today and, surprising to nobody, there is nary a "good feminist" to be found to speak against this misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 04:24 AM
1

My wife never orgasmed or squirted before me. But she does now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 02:09 PM
1

Depends on what you're using it for...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 02:06 PM
1

You haven't seen his weekly validation pic on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 02:05 PM
1

If you fucked her, then she raped you because you fucked her under false pretenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 02:03 PM
2

Because he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 02:00 PM
1

Christ women and their insane persecution complexes. Women have never lived in more safety than now and live much, much MUCH safer lives than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 06:02 PM
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Thanks Mad Max
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 05:59 PM
1

Well, plus you're fucking fat chicks, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:12 PM
1

A LOT of the teens where I live worship Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:59 PM
1

Problem is that you rednecks are totally fine with the current auth government police sending black men to prison en masse for minor crimes. We have more black men in prison right now than at the height of the gulags. Where are all of you rednecks coming to their defense against this tyranny?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:56 PM
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Actually a good idea. Fake "hidden cameras" showing women being awful humans and cruelly rejecting a normal man, then show another man using red pill techniques and he takes her home.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:53 PM
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Then she stays single wondering where are all the good men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:52 PM
1

Sexual marketplace and relationship marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:48 PM
1

Idk... The NRA is taking a fuck ton of heat. Although, even if it is the George Floyd of school shootings, it's going to end like the BLM protests. Nothing changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:48 PM
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Me too
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:47 PM
1

Yeah and that moment for BLM should have been Tamir Rice, but it wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:46 PM
1

You rednecks stand exactly ZERO chance against the US military. Also, great!! Let's implement more checks. The rednecks seem to be throwing temper tantrums about even doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:45 PM
2

Waiting for the "not all feminists" bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:44 PM
2

Jesus is crying right now. Fucking on the Lord's day??
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:42 PM
2

To be fair, you are pretty funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:40 PM
1

I think the idea is that women have been given unfettered freedom in both the SMP and the RMP while men are given more and more restrictions on what is acceptable. So women losing one privilege in the SMP to make it just a hair more equal is seen as a win. I also think a lot of men like the idea of making dating harder. If they can't get dates then Chad shouldn't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:39 PM
1

That's hot guy privilege talking right there. Ugly guys need to learn game and push pull.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:36 PM
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Wanna know what else is super annoying? Spelling everything out except for smthn. What? Is that word too hard for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:35 PM
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I'm pretty sure this school shooting is going to be the George Floyd of school shootings where we crossed some line of being pissed off at conservatives being fucking babies about their guns.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:34 PM
3

Ehh... I'm a guy and I find Chalamet sexy as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:08 AM
3

Please tell me you have a tramp stamp
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:03 AM
1

In the prius?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:49 PM
1

Because he's Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:44 PM
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I've fucked multiple girls on a first date. Not sure if they made others wait or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:00 PM
1

Men who wear makeup and paint their nails>
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:57 PM
0

Ok, that made me laugh. Well done.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:41 PM
2

I have recurring nightmares where something is chasing me to kill me and no matter where I hide, it finds me and I have to run away and hide again, where it finds me again. Sometimes I'll start full on screaming at it in my dream, and apparently in real life I start doing a sad moaning. My wife will wake me up, but she has to really shake me to snap me out of my dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:35 PM
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Cmv The power dynamic in the dating world goes like this Chad> Stacy>Becky> normal guy>ugly girl>ugly guy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:22 PM
2

Except for the guy that alpha widowed her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:19 PM
1

Ok but men are actually getting cancelled for "misogyny". You say salem witch trials like it's just a ridiculous notion that we'd ever judge men on next to no evidence and burn them at the metaphorical stake. But it's a reality for a lot of men, and men have to be extremely careful to not say anything against the church feminism/women. Meanwhile, women have no restrictions and can say whatever the fuck they want against men under the bullshit idea of punching up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:17 PM
0

Tbh, this is something that does perplex me. Why do Chad's leave the harem life behind for a single woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:58 PM
1

Cringe That's some /r/iamverysmart bullshit right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:57 PM
1

Yes, and we aren't doing Salem witch trials anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:53 PM
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Proof? He had one affair with one ugly waitress. Who else has he fucked?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:29 PM
0

A podcast that is universally reviled except for the neckbeards that follow it. Fuck, even Jordan Peterson is universally reviled by the left and his hot takes are basically "boys, you have value and can do hard things! Start by cleaning your room" That's misogyny in a lot of women's minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:28 PM
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When the litmus test for a misogynist is a man that thinks men should have equal rights or laments that he can't get a girlfriend, I'm not sure that's a great idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:17 PM
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I think you mean misandry. Saying men are trash and kill all men is perfectly fine, and even encouraged. Saying anything unflattering about women will get you cancelled.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:16 PM
2

That waist. She's like a size 000
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:14 PM
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I guess a better analogy would be, "why do you women feel the need to get validation everywhere?"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:06 PM
3

I believe it's easier to train a monkey to fly the space shuttle than it is to explain male sexuality to a woman. They simply cannot fathom not having sex on tap at any time or being able to walk up to nearly any man and know he'll most likely fuck you. The disconnect is just too wide to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:04 PM
2

What celebrity seems sex crazed to you? Do you have an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:01 PM
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That's the value we Chad has in current American society. Ftfy The average man's sexuality is seen as a problem that needs to be solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:00 PM
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That's like asking, "why does drinking water appeal to you?" How do you answer what biology programmed us to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:57 PM
6

Sure, men naturally want a harem. If every man was honest with himself, he would admit that if he was king of the world, he would have a harem of women and he would fuck a different woman every night. But that still doesn't mean he's thinking about sex 24/7.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:44 PM
1

Slut is reflected in the number. Whore is something else entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:29 PM
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Those who get regular sex think about it 10% of the time. Those who are starved for human contact in the form of sex obsess about it 90% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:27 PM
6

Triton
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:25 PM
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Nearly everything we do is to become attractive for the opposite sex for a chance to reproduce. Yes, sex is wildly important to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:25 PM
2

Wife and I are watching Stanley Tucci going throughout Italy trying all the food. Northern Italy looks so cool!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:48 PM
1

Including you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:15 PM
2

Including you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:05 PM
1

Well fuck... Changed my view on a technicality! Well done!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:04 PM
1

Whatever makes you beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:03 PM
1

And WoW
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:02 PM
1

CMV: Nobody has ever known what any Nirvana lyrics are without looking them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:00 PM
1

Mythic or gtfo!!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:58 PM
2

Only if she's alpha widowed. Most women have several orbiters on backup and have a new boyfriend within the hour.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:58 PM
1

I am comparing women taking an hour a day to make themselves attractive to men taking an hour a day to make themselves attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:56 PM
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PSA to men: If women can take an hour a day to put on her makeup and curl her hair, you can spend an hour a day at the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:30 PM
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Why do you think black guys are so much more likely to be fit? And how can we get all the lazy fucking white guys pick up a barbell?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:20 PM
1

Oh ya... That's SUPER direct. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:19 PM
2

Whore is an attitude, not a number.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:14 PM
4

Fuck I hate jumpy dogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:09 PM
0

That didn't answer his question. You don't have to do a rambling monologue to be direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:08 PM
2

How can women speak directly, but men need to read between the lines??
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:06 PM
1

Should I listen to what women say or watch what they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:03 PM
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Then don't date promiscuous men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:01 PM
1

Because there's no fucking way that there are 30 million rapes per year. Also, have you read the question that this statistic comes from? It is phrased "have you or anyone you know been raped or sexually assaulted" So even if a girl hasn't been sexually assaulted but knows someone that has, she's counted as a +1 on the statistic. It's standard feminist dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 10:22 PM
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Of course it happens. It doesn't happen to 20% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 09:59 PM
2

Yeah, I've seen enough of your "beard or no beard" posts to know what you look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 07:43 PM
2

Chad definitely exists. What Chad is may change from person to person, but there is definitely a type of guy that women lose their fucking minds over and actively try and get him to fuck her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 07:43 PM
1

Why do you think men will tell you they care about n count? It's a taboo thing in leftist circles to care about this, so even if a guy does care, he would never admit it. Although, feminism has convinced men that their thoughts and feelings are invalid if it conflicts with our gynocentric society, so they convince themselves that they don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 07:40 PM
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Before I was married, I was making low 6 figures and struggled to date. I'm a web developer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 07:39 PM
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Dude, AGAIN with the "should I have a beard or not". Good god, Amber Heard would have a tough time keeping up with your narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 07:38 PM
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Because I have eyes and a brain. Unlike most feminists that just blindly believe whatever the cult tells them to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 07:36 PM
1

I definitely bloomed in my 30s and had the most success with women around 33-36.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 03:38 PM
1

I'm definitely going to let some rando on the internet tell me what I should and shouldn't be ashamed of eating. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 03:36 PM
1

The answer to #2: absolutely nothing because they have intrinsic value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 03:35 PM
4

Lol no we're not. Not by a long shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 03:20 PM
4

It kind of is. It's definitely a double standard, but nature don't care about double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 03:19 PM
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No. Men's nature is to have a harem of women. Women's nature is to fuck the highest value man she can. Also, you've got it backwards. Fucking lots of guys doesn't ruin a girl. Troubled girls are fucking lots of guys to fill their daddy issues. Well adjusted girls aren't out there racking up 50+ n counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 03:02 PM
2

Don't stare. Just learn when to not break eye contact. Subtle difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 02:41 PM
1

Yeah, I'd say so. I make a good living, have a hot wife, good kids, live in a safe neighborhood in a safe country, love my job... Not too shabby.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 02:34 PM
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1 in 5 women have been raped. Such a bullshit statistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 02:32 PM
2

Theoretical life??
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 02:30 PM
1

Anal, rape play, violence, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 11:02 PM
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Risky =/= deviant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 01:51 PM
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Wahhhhh I'm a woman and now I have to actually take responsibility for my actions just like men do!! Misogyny!! Oppression!!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 05:05 AM
1

/u/purplish_possum Just how bad are Amber Heards lawyers? They seem REALLY bad from the laymans perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 01:48 AM
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Well, considering any time anyone asks, "what can we do about growing male loneliness?" the standard reactionary answer is "STOP TRYING TO FORCE WOMEN TO FUCK MEN!!!", probably nothing. We can't even have the conversation because women are so fucking privileged that they make it all about them before the conversation even gets started.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 01:38 AM
1

Who is hating on firefighters??
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 01:31 AM
2

A girl I was fucking was never so horny as when she was reading FSOG.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 06:08 PM
1

When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 05:40 PM
3

This is how women feel when ugly guys hit on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 07:58 PM
0

Ok, just checking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 06:20 PM
1

Is this a black grandma thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 06:16 PM
1

You're seeing what you want to see The fucking irony
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 06:15 PM
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Does it ever get tiring taking every single comment and "what about the poor women who are abused by every man alive"ing it? Oh, I forgot, you want serious debate... 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 05:31 PM
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just want serious debate Lol no you don't!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 03:16 PM
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Wait... Are you so delusional that you think you debate in good faith??? Your whole shtick is to come in, drop some retarded incoherant feminist rambling that nobody can quite figure out what you're even trying to say, then ghost. You even admitted that you like to troll the men and then rarely check back on your old posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 03:13 PM
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Nice girls are referred to as "not like the other girls".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 03:04 PM
1

DragoonX is also a black guy from London
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 05:57 AM
-1

The stats of women lying show that women don't lie? How does that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 04:25 AM
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Facts
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 01:20 AM
0

scientific statistics that lesbian couples have tyre most dv Scientific statistics that women abuse and kill their children Aaaaaakchewally.... Scientifically reality
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:55 PM
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Anything to make sure women are wonderful, huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:15 PM
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Any time! Glad i could educate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 09:16 PM
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Yes, women lie about rape. shocking isn't it? I mean, read this thread at how many women are saying "I see no problem with this". Women lack empathy so hard that they casually destroy men's lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 09:04 PM
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No, it actually more closely mirrors the real world where 90% of rape accusations are women lying because they got caught cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 09:00 PM
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This is why my CMV is unlikely to be changed. Women are willing to unashamedly sacrifice men as long as they get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 07:02 PM
0

If men are more violent, we would expect to see men killing their children at the same 98% rate, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:11 PM
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CMV: If abortion was illegal except for rape, most women would have no problem claiming she was raped and sending the baby daddy to jail if it means she can get out of taking responsibility. And all the other women would cheer at how brave she is and laugh at the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:06 PM
1

What percentage of infanticide is women killing their children vs men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:56 PM
1

Isn't that basically Hunger Games too?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:47 PM
2

There's two stories. That it came from a lab is much different than it was created in a lab.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:40 PM
2

I would explain how hypotheticals work, but I don't think your low iq feminist brain could understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 06:05 PM
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Holy shit! You seriously could not have demonstrated just how stupid you really are any better than this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 05:57 PM
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