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Debatecrunch_up/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:58 AM
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Debatecrunch_up/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:30 AM
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I dont care if I stay or not. You sure have a great ability to dodge the point. Instead of obfuscating you could do with being a little more intellectually honest. You haven't proven why it applies here. You just keep asserting it. Why does intent apply to whatever specific transaction you want? Doofus
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 12:50 AM
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You are truly dumb. Reciprocal doesnt mean intentful. God youre dumb. I give up truly. Ive given examples of transactions that aren't intentful and you just ignore them. You're the definition of idiocy. God help you because I cant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 12:43 AM
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Here's a link to the definition because apparently youre too dumb to understand what it is i am saying. this is the link to the word TRANSACTIONAL from webster
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 12:16 AM
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This is the argument of someone so stupid they dont realize they are stupid. I cant even engage because you refuse to acknowledge reality. This isnt an insult. This is me genuinely concerned for your cognitive dissonance. Is being right that important to you? Jesus christ. We can all be wrong once in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:38 PM
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Ah the old appeal to appeal to majority fallacy. Tells me all I need to know. Yes delulu would be accurate. You only need to search the word transactional and read the definition. Instead you gave your own definition without explaining why. Delulu
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:10 PM
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Link your study saying this and we'll check out the methodology and what the study actually says. You're wrong. Ive done my research. Link your sources and we'll walk through a lesson on how to analyze data and interpret the information given. There are no inherent risk in age gap relationships. The extremes such as 18 and 60 invites the type of situation you've mentioned. When looking at the actual age ranges in these relationships we can see the risk minimize or escalate. This would mean someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 06:49 PM
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Nice anecdote but the stats would suggest youre extremely wrong. Men dont typically have that standard. Wanting someone thats naive is different than wanting someone thats inexperienced and not hardened by life and past relationships. Maybe some of these encounters you have are of men not able to articulate themselves correctly. Maybe they are exactly as you describe. They would still be outliers according to the data. Anecdotal emotional appeals dont really hold much weight within reality. Ive …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 06:35 PM
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Then you're denying reality and the official definition of the word, arbitrarily. This means you prioritize your own propietary definition over anything else. This means youre delusional. You need to explain why intent is needed for a transaction to be a transaction 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Fucking idiot. Im done here
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 05:36 PM
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No they are not. That's your own propietary definition. The intent clause you hold is baseless. Why does it need intent in order to be a transaction? Ive showed several examples where youre wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 05:53 AM
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No, you are wrong. You are confusing how it feels with what it is. Intent is not necessary for something to be transactional. Outcomes define transactions, not emotional states. I comfort her because I value the relationship, and that value is the return. Whether I am consciously thinking about it or not is irrelevant. Nature does not require self awareness to run on exchanges. Flowers do not intend to trade nectar for pollination, but the transaction happens anyway. Your argument hinges on feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 03:41 AM
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You are not arguing from a position of reason. You are arguing from personal bitterness and projection. You speak of agency while simultaneously infantilizing women by claiming they cannot make informed decisions once they reach adulthood. That is not empowerment. That is hypocrisy. I am 25 years old. I am not some old man you can strawman and villainize to make yourself feel morally superior. I am a young man who sees through the emotional manipulation you are trying to pass off as an argument.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:59 PM
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But I'd argue that you only do those things in order to have the dopamine boost from doing something you percieve as selfless or loving. Its literally impossible to do anything for someone else without it being self serving. Thus transactional. You give money to the homeless person because you want to be kind and charitable. This sets off a reaction in your brain that produces feel good chemicals. This is a transaction. Consciously or not. This is science. You crave that feeling whether you acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 03:29 PM
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Not really. Society has followed these age gaps since our inception. The US is where this is socially the most taboo. Don't believe you have a moral highground just because the social norm in your country differs from the rest of the world. It sounds to me like youre saying younger women shouldn't have agency and shouldn't be given the priveleges and responsibilities of an adult. Meaning we should raise the age of majority because of your ridiculous preferences Or We accept that 18 is the age of…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 03:24 PM
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Oh so they want joy. Meaning its transactional. God you people cant even define the terms youre using and yet you expect your opinion to be taken seriously. I wish everyone would think about their terms and go beyond the surface level when it comes to these topics. My life hasn't been hollow or sad. Ive had very fulfilling relationships. I recognize some aspects are transactional. I transactionally comfort my girlfriend when she's sad. I dont do it because I want something. I do it because I val…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 02:57 PM
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So biology and ontology dont intersect? What does it mean to be a man or a woman? I think the dynamics and roles that are derived from biology are part of our ontology. Remove these roles and dynamics and you lose the essence of these two categories. What separates men and women if not the dynamics and roles informed by biology?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 02:51 PM
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So youre going to ignore the nuance we just dove into in favor of your surface level talking point? No they aren't. A 19 year old and a 60 year together is more likely to fail. Age gap relationships aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 02:48 PM
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Oh so i was correct? You just reiterated what I already said. Age and gap size matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 02:15 PM
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Sadly I dont believe your claim. In modernity most relationships are transactional. It always has been. I want feminine traits in exchange for your masculine traits. In one form or another this is true. You dont like this specific form of transaction. Thats a you problem tho. This isn't a society wide prescription. It can't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 02:10 PM
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It depends on how large the gap is actually and the specific age ranges. 60 year old men with 19 years olds aren't likely to last as long as someone thats 19 and someone thats 34. So youre correct about the overall stats. There's nuance to everything tho and dissecting methodology is important. Again your last claim also applies to specific age ranges. Nice preference for your anecdotal experiences. You dont think there are just as many women who'd disagree with you? Why is your preference more …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 02:08 PM
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Silence and victory. Insane win brother. Massive W for the boys on this one. Crazy how they got quiet on this example of sexism. Schrodingers feminist. Empowered and a victim at the same time. Im a strong powerful women who can vote and send men off to war and I can take out massive loans to change my entire life. Yet I cant date an older man as that would be oppression😂😂😂 Im an adult but im not an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:51 PM
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Its called biological reality. Fight against reality elsewhere. We stick to whats feasible. Not a middle aged women's retarded preferences that dont logically track Stronger men who are horny will always exist with you in society. Those strong men are the reason you have rights and society to begin with. These men like women with low body counts and less sexual experience than them. What's wrong with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:47 PM
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Why is this wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:46 PM
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This is a strawman of the argument and cherry picking of the points you'd like to argue. A tiny majority of men admit to such ideas. You are not representing their position fairly but who cares? The logic doesnt follow. Why is it wrong for a man to want a women who isnt a whore? Why is it wrong for a man to want a women that isnt sexually experienced? What's wrong with it. Don't tell me its bad because I don't like it. Therefore bad. Besides your preference can you explain why its wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:44 PM
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Men are not saying they like naivety. They dont want a whore or someone older. You can be 40 and not be sexually experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:41 PM
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The delusion is palpable and the cognitive dissonance is insane. Truly reflect on this retardation you just spewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:40 PM
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Mistakes? Says who? Those relationships tend to last just as long if not longer. Relationship satisfaction is also reportedly higher
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:39 PM
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Or maybe you are delusional and cant accept the fact that youre a full fledged grown adult who can vote to send men off to war and can take out massive loans that can decimate your life but somehow cant choose your romantic partner?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 You are either an adult or you aren't. Pick one. If they are an adult then theres nothing wrong with dating another adult. If theres something wrong then maybe we should raise the age of majority. Or maybe you can accept the fact that men have hist…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:38 PM
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Keep fighting biological reality and evolutionary psychology. Absolutely insane to believe you can socially condition away the traits women look for in men. These ontological differences are a big part of what guides attraction and social dynamics. Trying to erase this to erase being human. I dont want to be the same as the women. Im a man. You ought feel the same way as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:41 AM
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Far worse than the Catholic Church actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:30 AM
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That doesnt disprove my point. Men fighting for male spaces can happen whilst in a gynocentric society. The two aren't mutually exclusive. This is a prime example of pseudo intellect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:49 AM
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Yeah its not like men have always been the fire fighters and rescuers through out all of history. Its almost like they had a duty to fulfill certain roles and it's seen across every society throughout all of our history. One offs. Lmaooo
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:45 AM
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You hate generalizations but lean heavily into male generalizations. God the cognitive dissonance from you people is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 11:17 PM
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Oh so the two most controversial groups to exist in 2025? Lmao the red pill popped up because of this lack of male spaces and male perspectives. Your cognitive dissonance is absolute insane. Delusional even
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 11:16 PM
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Sure. No doubt there my friend. Im advocating that we rely on statistics and empirical data over your encdotal experience. I offered my own anecdotal experience as a direct counter to your claim. This was to demonstrate that we've only gone back to ground 0 in the convo. They cancel each other out. What's beyond these anecdotes? Men generally have a higher libido than women. On average. So the generalized statements on the topic largely hold up despite your personal outrage at the idea. Im only …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 11:13 PM
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I've masturbated 200 plus times only a quarter of the way through a year on top of regular sex. You're delusional. Women generally have lower libido than men and this holds true as they age as well. This is about averages and not as rule. There will always be exceptions and outliers. Those dont make the rule or standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 10:21 PM
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Chivalry was provided for virtuous women. Take virtue out the women and what do men use to select mates?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 03:07 PM
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Was less about attractive and more about women who are inclined to approach. Your point is also true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 10:17 PM
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Outliers don't make the standard
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:27 PM
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Check out Andrew wilson. He's pretty good at representing the real thoughts of the red pill community. I wouldn't say that individual coaches and streamers necessarily define the ideology. Rather they share their perspective. Andrew is much better at coherently expressing the ideology and logical deductions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 06:01 PM
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I think allot of women exaggerate their experiences and allot of men don't report their experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:57 PM
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The presupposition that today's society operates more from intelligence and creativity should be questioned and proven. From my pov you can only say this because of the great illusion that modernity provides. You ignore what's intrinsic and instead push forth what you prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:11 PM
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I asked you the question
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:10 AM
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Ahhh anyone who doesn't agree men and women are interchangeable widgets HAS to be an oppressive incel AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OH NO
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:09 AM
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No I'm not. I simply presented the issue with feminism in modernity. Men are not the subject. Tho tangential.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:07 AM
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You really are going to generalize it down to "men don't care" ??? That's ignorance at its finest. You're purposefully being obtuse. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:06 AM
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Nah I used it as an example to explain the trends in the data. You're ignoring a whole slew of factors that go into these stats. You're a certfiable tard if you need to strawman me instead of actually engaging the argument. You're trolling or you're low intellect. Pick one
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:05 AM
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Damn I thought I did answer your question quite well without going into depth. I don't think women are my number 1 source of problems. I think they do have a huge impact on society and in turn, me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:04 AM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:02 AM
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Probably would start with the ability to have a bank account. Traditionally women couldn't accumulate debt and it was transferred to her father or husband. I'd also implement strong social reform around maternal&paternal care support programs. I'd remove the government from marriage. For very valid reasons. Intense societal shifts of the moral standard would need to happen. Meaning responsibility needs to be upheld whilst accountability needs to be maintained. Intense social shaming from the com…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:00 AM
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Be more direct. I'm having a hard time understanding your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:56 AM
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No I can't. That's the point of my question. The only rights that havent been restricted by the right to vote imo, is the right to vote. Gun laws are restricted slowly over time due to voting, free speech laws are slowly lost over time due to voting, every single right we can list has been eroded in some way by voting... except the right to vote itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:54 AM
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Because they still benefit from that society. What kind of question is that? If you recieve every benefit of modern society except for suffrage... You only have the right to complain because men have provided a society that allows a platform for women to complain. If the usa or britian weren't full of benevolent men, you'd experience really oppression. Not lack of suffrage. Go visit Saudi Arabia and tell me you disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:50 AM
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What's your point? I don't disagree with any of this. Why do you assume I do?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:48 AM
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Yes. That's how it's always worked in every society since we lived in caves and swung around clubs. Can you prove otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:47 AM
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https://americafirstpolicy.com/assets/uploads/files/FACT_SHEET_-_Fatherhood_and_Crime.pdf https://tfrm.org/fatherhood-on-trial-the-crushing-statistics-of-dad-deprived-america/ Men make the mess via proxy. Thats not an argument. Women would also cause the same issues if in the same position.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:45 AM
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Buddy that was never the goal post. You agreed it caused an initial downturn in wages. The exact opposite of what you're claiming, happened. Try again
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:39 AM
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So if a man claims he was molested without penetration and he calls to make a report the cop will laugh his ass off and not take it seriously. Thus no reporting. Stop lying to yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:37 AM
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Have you considered maybe I have explored that topic? What makes you think I haven't? Just ask
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:34 AM
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I don't think I want to see any rights abolished. I have a better question for you. Besides the right to vote. Can you name a right that hasn't been eroded and degraded by the right to vote?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:33 AM
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You're focused on something I don't understand that's for sure. I'm assuming you have a valid point in there somewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:31 AM
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I'm not sure I understand. Participating in what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:31 AM
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Sure. I don't disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:27 AM
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No that's a strawman and not worth taking seriously. Fallacious argumentation sucks. Try again
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:27 AM
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That's a very complex topic that's very nuanced. In general they're moving away from patriarchal structures and into secularist worldviews producing the stats listed in the OP. The problem with secularism and by extension, feminism, is that all the arguments boil down to a preference. Preferences don't prove why something is morally correct. It's just a preference. My issues is that patriarchal structures produce less broken homes, longer relationships, more fulfilling relationships, better outc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:25 AM
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Nice fbi crime statistics. Does this disproves my claim? I really don't want to break down the implicit biases when it comes to gathering data. The methodologies and factors considered rarely reflect in raw numbers. For example. Men cannot be statistically graped unless penetration occurs. Thus a false trend in the Data. You're factually stupid and your feminine privilege is showing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:19 AM
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They did. What are you on about? They rejected it in every state they tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:17 AM
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That's literally my claim. An initial decline. I never expanded beyond this. You assumed a whole lot. Nice job virtue signaling tho When you're ready to argue in good faith lmk.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:16 AM
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Do you know why this is? Judges, male or female, consistently punish men disproportionately to women for the same crime and severity. This extends in to police reports filed. Meaning men are going to be offenders much more on average. You have privilege that you can't even recognize.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:15 AM
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Yes women would need the most representation out of everyone. Just like they did pre suffrage. Back then it was much easier to make societal progress on Women's issues because they weren't reduced to a voting bloc. This is a main argument against suffrage from anti suffragettes. These were women themselves. The majority of women actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:14 AM
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Nice. You ignored everything I listed. Then you dismissed a claim with 0 evidence. How can this be productive if you're being redundant?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:12 AM
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Yes it is😂😂😂 it's a biological reality that makes it so. It's the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:11 AM
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Not at all. I'd aim for social reform to address these unique issues that are still OUTLIERS that don't set the standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:10 AM
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That's with a heavy reinforcement of men. Usually on the most tame of missions and with an abundance of men on the team to carry through in case of emergency. Your delusion knows no bounds. I've already agreed that men can delegate enforcement positions to women. This just means they have a weakness to deal with. Now read the opinions of any military strategist, read about the physical requirement differences(they still use the female pushups) look at the entirety of human history any time women…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:09 AM
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I would argue that despite the same risk they face in the draft (just as a last resort before even considering women for the position) they don't deserve the same voting power. Instead representation in political spheres would be better. I much prefer social issues not being reduced to a voting bloc or to a two party system. We can exclude the outliers. This isn't the gotcha you thought it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:03 AM
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Not true. I'd contest this. In what way are men doing the majority of the offending?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:01 AM
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That is absolutely ignorance to the facts. You're actually dumb🤡😂😂😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:00 AM
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The nuclear family is fundamental and intrinsic to society. Read the title of my post. That's the topic
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:59 AM
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Can't have women do Frontline combat. It's well documented that they have and will be graped en masse and then sent back to the homeland impregnated in order to demoralize the troops and workforce. This has happened so many times. It's a part of the biologic reality i mentioned. Men and women are not interchangeable widgets. Your premise is false. Me fill this role via proxy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:58 AM
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No. I've addressed this argument already. You're strawmanning my position. Stop filling in the gaps yourself and actually comprehend. I've answered. Ground your belief that personhood hinges on the right to vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:56 AM
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What does the time period have to do with the societal standard were discussing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:55 AM
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I don't think that it's restricting womens rights. Rights are just a fancy word for enforced privilege. Whats oppressive is objective and has specific criteria. My worldview does not categorically fit under oppression. Despite modernities changed standard. It's like calling trump a fascist when you can compare him to mussoloni. It's a categorical error and not true. There's objective criteria for fascism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:54 AM
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I got my dates mixed up. Early 1900's is fine. With some modifications. Obviously the standard back then won't incorporate very well into modernity without some tweaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:51 AM
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That is what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:50 AM
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Literally the usa is the example. We did it here. Not to long ago
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:50 AM
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Come on bud. Present an argument instead of getting mad
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:49 AM
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No. Lack of a law against marital rape does not mean legal. It was classified as assault
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:49 AM
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What about those men? Pointing to outliers does not make the standard. Women fought against suffrage and it was forced upon them. Women have been tricked via propoganda and it's sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:47 AM
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Sounds like a societal shift of the standard that I mentioned would greatly benefit these situations. Just like we used to do
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:47 AM
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Financial challenges, implicit court bias, social stigma, etc. Do you think that was a good gotcha moment?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:46 AM
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I've been doing this the entire time. The answer to your question is posted in several areas on this thread by yours truly. I've made my arguments here also. None have been refuted. Address my arguments and I'll continue to do so with yours. Like I have been.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:45 AM
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America in the early 1900s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:43 AM
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I feel that its a cool fact. It doesn't really impact me in a significant way. Men and women have their skills and advantages on average. If this is descriptively true, then why should I take issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:43 AM
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It doesn't matter if it happens or not in this lifetime. The risk is there. You wouldn't feel this way if we're being drafted right now to be slaughtered. The last time the draft was implemented 60 years ago. The risk is always there. Should we remove and grant these rights until we are in war? Or should we respect the ones that are forced to potentially give this ultimate sacrifice? It depends on whether or not you value the lives of men. This is like arguing abortion rights should only apply w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:41 AM
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Good God thats allot of copy and paste that doesn't disprove my arguments. Nice appeal to authority tho. Defend your positions yourself. You've strawmanned the argument. Your entire argument assumes a false premise. I've never argued that women haven't had an overall positive impact of the economy over time. The claim is that it caused an initial decrease in wages which is true. Over time it stimulates economic growth. The point of this argument is to allude towards the benefit of the elites fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:37 AM
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The usa exist today. I'm referring to specific period of time. Why is this an issue? I'm confused
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:31 AM
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I make the value judgements as I can only work off my preferences. Just like every other secularist alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:31 AM
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No, 40% of police officers are not women. In most countries, the percentage of female police officers is typically much lower. For example, in the United States, women make up around 12-13% of full-time law enforcement officers. In the UK, the percentage is around 28%. Other countries also see similar trends, where the proportion of female police officers generally ranges from 10-30%, rather than reaching 40%. While the representation of women in law enforcement has been gradually increasing, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:30 AM
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A few modifications of course. Marital rape is horrible. However marital rape was never legal. It was classified as a form of assault. Women were not being graped constantly before suffrage. It's absolutely insane to claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:21 AM
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You're arguing that 2% of fathers, make the fundamental and intrinsic distinction from single mothers. This is insane. Nice claim of chat gpt. Your feedback about redundancy can be seen as a misunderstanding of the point I was making. If the argument seems repetitive, it’s likely because I was emphasizing specific aspects of the topic to ensure clarity. Rather than attributing this to a lack of comprehension, it reflects the nuanced approach required to explain a complex subject. It's not a matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:18 AM
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Not how that works and is strawman of my argument. Let me walk you through this. A group of 5'7 men can collectively fight against a group of 6' men and stop oppression. It's happened many times. The most elite of men are outliers and not a standard that can feasibly sustain any society. We've established men can take the rights from other men. Whether 5'7 or 6'. They can also take and grant rights to women. Women cannot do this in reverse. That's the point. Your argument doesn't address anythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:12 AM
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I have. Several times in this thread. You're being a dick so I won't engage
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:08 AM
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Just the risk of being slaughtered is enough according to the government that granted us the right to vote after implementing the draft. It was a special privilege for being slaughtered. We go to prison for not signing up and can't vote. You are strawmanning my argument. Ask for clarification on the implementation of such a socially constructed concept in society. This would require massive reform and an unloading of responsibility to the men in said society. Social shaming on this type of man w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:06 AM
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I never said they weren't worth defending. You're having a hard time understanding a basic concept. Oppression has specific criteria that my worldview does not fall under. Patriarchy in this claim is a necessity. Not an oppressor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:04 AM
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Why would I concede on something that hasn't been refuted? I'm willing to listen and have changed my mind many times. Nice assumption tho
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:00 AM
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Already said it's not chat gpt. Get your vocabulary up or fuck off. Even if it was chat gpt. Would that change the validity of the argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:00 AM
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Nah they risked their lives. They should retain it. Being slaughtered supercedes any bs preference you have to vote. Women in the military cannot contribute as much but I would think they should be allowed some voting power. This remains logically consistent with my position that greater sacrifice and investment= greater voting power
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:58 AM
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Of what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:57 AM
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Nah not really. Did you even read my argument? I specifically argued that women not be denied any aspect of life. Stop lying I also believe men and women have the same ontological value. This is about real world application and reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:57 AM
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I expanded very well in my previous comment and then gave you a direct short answer the second time. Whats your issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:56 AM
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The majority of women didn't want the right to vote. There were far more anti suffragettes than those in favor. A few rich industrialist and a minority of feminist got together and forced through the 19th amendment change after it was rejected several times by women. https://www.crusadeforthevote.org/naows-opposition https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1903/09/why-women-do-not-wish-the-suffrage/306616/ There are many sources. I read these 2 but there's a whole swath of data supporting t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:55 AM
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I made the post🙄😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:36 AM
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Pointing to outliers as the standard is fallacious argumentation. You've proven my point. Men can take the rights from other men. Men can also grant these rights. Women can do neither of these things. Hence feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:35 AM
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This is all addressed in the original post. You made points that I've already refuted in the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:34 AM
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Suck my dick. I copy and paste the same arguments because I repeat myself 20 times a day in the same thread. I've had time to develop them. Now make an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:32 AM
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Via proxy. You really think war wouldn't happen under women? For the same reason men have gone to war? Don't be dumb. Men aren't inherent war mongers. Biological reality forced this role upon us. Live in delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:31 AM
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No duh I benefit. I don't promote Afghanistans version of patriarchy because I'm not religious. I promote a patriarchy that produces the results science says is the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:30 AM
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I don't think it really does strip women of personhood. We restrict bodily autonomy all the time in society. For men and women. Why should men lose their bodily autonomy for you in exchange for nothing? Society once granted voting as a special privilege for this sacrifice. I don't think loss of suffrage is the same sacrifice as being slaughtered. I don't think it's oppression. In debates about patriarchy, it's often portrayed as inherently oppressive. However, I argue that patriarchy isn’t neces…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:28 AM
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Yeah. America in the 1960s with some modifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:20 AM
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Here try yale https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/Intellectual_Life/Stevenson_ParadoxDecliningFemaleHappiness_Dec08.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:19 AM
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I mean the job opportunities and physical abilities that are needed, force men into this role via proxy. Without men filling these roles, there is no society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:18 AM
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Wow. Your intellect really shines through
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:17 AM
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Funny thing is that I'm 25. I just like to look at empirical data.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:17 AM
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We see this because courts generally grant parental rights to the women. There is an extreme bias. Not evidence to suggest men don't want to be parents more than women. This doesn't account for the women purposefully keeping fathers away, while they are encouraged to do so by the welfare state. They always have. When they observe it on a 1:1 scale we see that it remains true. Single fathers produce better results despite any economic disparity or one of the many other excuses you can try. 2.Whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:12 AM
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Or you could accept consistent biological reality that is not disproven even to this day. I invite you to try Who do you think enforces your laws and rights? Dummy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:07 AM
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It would simply be a societal shift back to enforcing a standard that shamed degenerate behavior and used societal pressures to reinforce responsibility. This would apply to both sexes. This does not mean that there will be some authoritarian institution enforcing the patriarchy. Instead I'd argue society should be set up in a way that the exceptions can thrive also. Just not promoted as whats best. Not necessarily bad. There is nuance to this. Not every topic will receive the same amount of sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:03 AM
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The nuclear family is patriarchal by nature. Even if many variations of this structure exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:48 AM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:45 AM
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Quit coping and engage with reality. This is a descriptive truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:45 AM
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Bro explain to me what stupid means.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:39 AM
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Make a valid point. Men fill the role of enforcement and defense via proxy. Women can't do these roles. What is hard to understand about this? There's no other choice Rights are merely privileges enforced by those with the monopoly on force. We had to start with men having and granting rights because biology dictated it be this way. It's not a choice. Other patriarchs exist that want to oppress us all. You are lucky to be with the ones that want equality. Stop crying or go to Saudi Arabia and se…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:37 AM
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Withheld? I don't think you understand. Men had to fight for their rights and then grant those rights to women. We had to start there due to biology. Men have always been the defenders of rights. Women can't enforce their own rights. Men were benevolent enough to do it for them. Even to this day. Who do you think enforces your laws and protects your country?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:27 AM
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I think you're hilariously naive and can't differentiate between giving corporations money to trickle down vs programs handing money directly to the citizens. You're genuinely dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:57 PM
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It's cause you're dumb and can't differentiate basic economic theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:40 PM
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What i've described doesn't exactly align with trickle-down economics, although there are some similarities. Here's the distinction: Trickle-down economics is a theory that suggests that benefits provided to the wealthy or businesses—such as tax cuts, deregulation, or incentives—will eventually "trickle down" to the broader population. The idea is that when the rich and businesses have more resources, they will invest more in the economy (e.g., through business expansion, job creation, or higher…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:17 PM
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 No. Not trickle down economics at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 09:55 PM
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Money in the pockets of citizens can help the community in several ways, primarily through stimulating economic activity and fostering a more vibrant, self-sustaining society. I'll explain how it worka. Increased Consumption: When individuals have more disposable income, they are more likely to spend on goods and services, which drives demand in the economy. This, in turn, helps businesses grow, creates jobs, and generates more tax revenue that can be used for public goods and services. Local Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 09:11 PM
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I argued 3 different points you dense simpleton. You misused fallacious strawman argument. That wasn't a straw man. The first point is that I have proven over half this nation has a higher form of education. This disproves your idea that the majority of Americans are dumb. They are some of the most intelligent people in the history of humanity. This is a cerfiable fact. I even provided the stats. The second point I argued was that your claim of the American people being dumb wasn't verifiable. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 09:02 PM
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How does money for myself, help others? Is this seriously your question?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 08:10 PM
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Well when there's more dollars in the community it's allot easier to maintain.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 07:58 PM
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I'm willing to dismantle this argument once more. After I do this, I expect a concession. I'm going to use empirical data to prove you wrong. College education is not the only metric for intelligence. This is just the easiest to verify. If around 45% of Americans over 25 have recieved a higher form of education, whilst 55% of Americans under 25 have enrolled in higher education, or completed the education, we can see that the number shoots to well over half this nation. This also assumed that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 07:55 PM
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Exactly. I just bagged a lesbian in Ann arbor michigan last night💀😂😂😂 They all folding
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 07:36 PM
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Keep living in delusion. To pretend this doesn't run the world is to deny reality
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 07:30 PM
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In the USA women outnumber men by a small margin. Worldwide there are more men. Men tend to die more despite higher birth rates. Women make it to old age more so it balances out. It's 97 men to every 100 women. These are official stats
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 12:33 PM
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I was wrong. Women don't outnumber men as much as I thought. There is still a slight edge in the USA but nowhere near what I said earlier. I admit I was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 11:34 AM
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No shit it's also increased with women. If 1/3 of all men are not having sex then it's almost guaranteed that the women who outnumber us would see less sex as well. My question would be whether it's to the same extent or not. Which I highly doubt. That one specific point you were right on. His overall argument is still valid. Edited to correct my mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 11:14 AM
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Yes. Are you stupid? Who would take the position that dei laws haven't had an effect on the disenfranchised party? Equity entails a disenfranchised party. Don't be dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:43 AM
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Can't have a community without maintaining the community. This is a logical entailment. How do you not understand this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:41 AM
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Yes men defend from other men. Make a real point. You're acting like men aren't the enforcement arm via proxy. Without men, war would still happen. We don't have war and violence because men are inherently violent. You're dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:39 AM
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Yes because women aren't losing any rights. Trumps already stated his position on these topics. You're delusional and full on swinging in the propoganda
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:35 AM
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You messed up. The women after years of being ran through by Chad and having several children are finally ok with settling for these average dudes who are supposed to eat up the leftovers in their 30s and 40s. Check the stats. Births to single moms is well over 40% in the us. This claim is true and well documented. Hypergamy is also well documented. Scoff all you want but those average dudes have reasonable concerns
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:21 AM
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the percentage of men reporting no sexual activity has increased in recent years. Studies from 2000 to 2018 show a rise in sexual inactivity, especially among younger men. In particular, men in their 20s have seen a significant increase in celibacy rates, with some data indicating that nearly one-third of men in this age group report no sexual activity in the past year​​​​. This increase is attributed to various factors, including changing social dynamics, economic pressures, and the rise of dig…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:17 AM
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Many men have bad abortion experiences anyways or have heard horror stories
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:14 AM
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There are far less votes this time because we had universal mail in voting in 2020 with the lockdowns in effect. Nobody had anything better to do This is the highest turnout ever excluding 2020
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:13 AM
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You're an absolute clown. Did you even read these dogshit articles? The methodologies are questionable for all of them especially the last link. The first article you linked directly states that they are not unintelligent but more so uninformed. So your claim of "dumb" is disproven by your own source🤦‍♂️ They specifically say that it's not meant to imply stupidity. It's also an interview for a mediocre author promoting her book on Forbes. Talk about a shitty biased source. As of recent data, aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 08:51 AM
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And that's exactly why you lost. Keep pushing such a ridiculous narrative. You have nothing to support such a position.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 08:02 AM
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You're delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 07:52 AM
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Yeah this is an insane take. Most Americans are dumb is really the stance you're taking?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 07:07 AM
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Men gave those rights in the first place. Who died and granted them on your behalf?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 07:04 AM
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Cry and cope more. This drives the world
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 07:03 AM
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I give the majority 2 days. The outliers last a week and the rare ones last a few months. Stop lying to yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 07:02 AM
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Good luck holding out. Most women will fold in a week😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 06:58 AM
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You're problem was starting with a false presupposition. Egalitarianism is impossible. Only equity measures.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 06:57 AM
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You're ridiculous. Men granted you these rights in the first place. Quit acting like you are in any real danger
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 06:56 AM
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This is why yall lost. This right here. Keep it up. It'll make us win next time too
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 06:55 AM
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You are dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 04:50 AM
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These are the anti abortion people lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 04:26 AM
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Most of this country is religious dummy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 04:18 AM
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It sounds like a categorical error more than an issue with the ban
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 04:17 AM
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Not true. Check the stats. Most late term abortions aren't medically necessary. Almost none
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 04:15 AM
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Not really. It can be that both are true. The thing is that I'm not claiming women should or shouldn't do something. I'm describing something. It's not a claim of what someone ought do. It's a descriptor of what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:19 AM
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Don't be obese or a whore really💅
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:08 AM
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My argument is posted above
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:29 AM
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Sorry some of the links didn't work. Occultfeminism.com should be acessible. I didn't blame the issues in the economy entirely on this. I attributed it as a significant factor. It'd be completely ridiculous to point at one thing and claim it as the sole reason the economy is doing good or bad. I never did this. It can be a significant factor tho and it is.🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:45 PM
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Kind of hard to engage with you when you start off with lies and strawmans. But sure, let's try again. While women's suffrage opened the door for women to enter the workforce, it inadvertently flooded the job market with cheap labor, which did lead to lower wages and job saturation. This influx of workers overwhelmed the market, pushing wages down and reducing overall economic stability. With more individuals vying for the same positions, the anticipated boost in tax revenues did not materialize…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 08:09 AM
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Yeah look up most wage gap studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 05:53 AM
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Funny cause I've been saying that about you this entire time
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:39 AM
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That's a non sequitur and is not my argument. Men are better with guns on average and perform better in combat. The data does not lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:25 AM
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They did. It just didn't end all slavery in the world. What kind of fallacious argument is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 12:34 AM
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Amistad Mutiny (1839): Although it took place on a Spanish ship, the case had significant legal and political ramifications in the U.S. The enslaved Africans aboard successfully seized control and were later freed by the Supreme Court, allowing them to return to Africa. Nat Turner’s Rebellion (1831): While ultimately suppressed, Turner’s rebellion resulted in significant immediate changes, including stricter slave laws and a heightened awareness of the brutality of slavery, which fueled abolitio…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 12:21 AM
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I've named a couple that were successful. You're being obtuse on purpose again. Stop being intellectually dishonest and engage in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 12:18 AM
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Nat Turner's Rebellion (1831): Led by Nat Turner in Virginia, this was one of the most famous uprisings, resulting in the deaths of around 60 white individuals and severe retaliation against enslaved people. Gabriel's Rebellion (1800): Planned by Gabriel Prosser in Virginia, this revolt was thwarted before it could begin. It aimed for a large-scale uprising and was inspired by the Haitian Revolution. Denmark Vesey's Conspiracy (1822): Vesey, a former enslaved person in South Carolina, planned a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 12:15 AM
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It's not evening the playing field. Women got paid according to their output. They output less than men on average. This is true equality. You're advocating for the disenfranchisement of men in favor of your own preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 12:02 AM
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I've already refuted this argument. I'll reiterate because you're being purposefully obtuse while looking for an argument. Quit ignoring the refutation and concede the point. There are studies on this very subject where men consistently test higher by every standard and metric provided. This includes reload speed, distance traveled, and impact to the psyche in combat. You are wrong. Try again
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 12:01 AM
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Yeah outliers are not good examples. I have stated the position many times already. Women can contribute in these roles. I will never dispute this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:53 PM
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I agree. I've only described what is. Not what should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:49 PM
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Do you need one of the many examples of slave revolts and the underground railroad? One notable example is the Stono Rebellion of 1739 in South Carolina, where enslaved Africans organized a violent uprising against their owners. Another significant event was the Nat Turner Rebellion in 1831, where Nat Turner led a group of enslaved people in a revolt that resulted in the deaths of several dozen white individuals before it was suppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:46 PM
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Yeah but are the prescriptive measures agreed upon? Usually equity measures lead to the disenfranchisement of another party. In this context that would be men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:41 PM
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Equity measures lead to the disenfranchisement of another party as an entailment of these measures. In this case it'd be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:40 PM
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Indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:35 PM
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You claim misogyny but have only made the assertion. Just saying it's misogyny because it's clearly misogyny doesn't actually count as proof that it's misogynistic. It's a circular argument. Just because it's not talking about women in a positive light and was instead a critique... does not mean it's misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:29 PM
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A right is a social construct given by men. Show me a right that exist independent of your mind. A right would be a representation of this force application. It is a privilege absent a duty. Then please point out a right to me. Send me a picture of one. Prove to me that rights are inherent. Prove to me the right to vote or the right to bear arms are inherent. Are you religious? If so you can point to your ecclesiastical teachings but I am arguing from a secular viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:12 PM
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You need to reread the argument in order to understand my position. I'll reiterate once more. The patriarchy can delegate power to weak men and women within the structure itself. This is how you have women as judges, police officers, and lawyers. This however does not disprove the fact that without the delegation of force by the patriarchy there are 0 positions of power in which women could hold on their own. The female judge still relies on big burly men to enforce her ruling and the law. The f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:06 PM
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Stop crying. Women are always so over the top. All I did was describe the world. This doesn't mean I do not respect women. You're virtue signaling and wallowing in self pity. "Always the victim" mentality is more degrading to the brain than gen z humor. You wanna know a secret? These are the original arguments of the founders of feminism. I am espousing the same arguments as them. If they can accept this truth then so can you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:01 PM
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No it's not. Try again
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:58 PM
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You've made allot of assertions that I've never claimed. Who asked for a second class sex slave? Feminist get so upset when you make descriptive statements that dont align with their ideology. Then they resort to ad homs and essentially asserting things you never claimed. It's sad to see such intellectual dishonesty while claiming a moral highground. It's all throughout this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:58 PM
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Yeah but these are outliers. Extremely rare. There is a reason women have had to appeal to men for rights. You haven't made an argument. You've pointed to exceptions and outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:54 PM
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You haven't made a point For example... women cannot be roofers. This does not mean there are no female roofers. The reason i state this is because it is proven that the majority of women cannot maintain their body Temps even half as well as men. While exceptions can be made for longer production times and higher equipment budgets to facilitate the work, men are generally better able to maintain their body temperature in high heat, whereas women often struggle more with this issue to the point o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:52 PM
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Are men the enforcement arm in these societies that are somehow magically matriarchal?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:51 PM
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Care to refute the argument instead of virtue signal?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:51 PM
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Delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:50 PM
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These aren't ideas. These are descriptive statements
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:50 PM
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No I don't believe it could exist in a hypothetical scenario even temporarily. This is because women cannot maintain the infrastructure. There are daily task that the majority cannot perform. The size of this country and the large volume of demand for these roles that are unable to be filled due to physical barriers would cause an immediate collapse. Address this issue and we can move forward
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:36 PM
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I have one. Nice projection tho It can't be fabricated if all the major institutions are reporting this as reality. Stop virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:32 PM
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I'll answer but I'd like to know how this is relevent first
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:14 PM
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I never denied I was the op. God dude are you arguing just to argue?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:08 PM
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I'm not upset lmao. I'm having a very good time. It kind of sucks that this is the best a debate channel can offer. Pitiful
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:07 PM
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No it's a descriptive statement of what is. Not what should be. If you go through this post you'll see many comments of people making up their own version of something I said. Just like you with this example of racism. I never said anything close to this and yet this is what you proffered. You didn't do quite the same as them. You told me what it felt like. The others are just straight up lying about what I've said. Maybe you guys should focus less on how you feel a statement means and instead f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:06 PM
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I never denied this. What are you talking about? Are you crazy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:02 PM
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Nice assertion. Care to back it up? Beyond "this is how I feel"😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:58 PM
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I never claimed abolition in the us is due to slave revolts. I'm not stalling. I'm pointing out that you missed the point😂😂😂 I am trying hard to not question your intelligence right now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:58 PM
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I didn't have to say it. Do I need to state my position on every gendered topic? It's not relevent to the argument. My statement of women being whiny brats does not conflict with the statement that men will never be equal to women and vice versa. You assume. You assume a whole lot. You project a whole lot. I haven't said half of what you've asserted on me. You keep making shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:54 PM
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I said I can point out examples of slaves freeing themselves from oppression in every example of slavery. You're not fully reading my arguments. Please try again. This time without rushing to respond
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:52 PM
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They are not equal in this manner. That is true. You need to stop missing the forest for the trees. You keep getting hung up and hyperfocusing on my specific statements instead of looking at the whole picture. I have not backtracked once. I have remained consistent. Please directly quote me if you are gonna quote me at all. I said women are not equal and can never be equal to men. The same is true in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:49 PM
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Because no matter the color you have as much an opportunity to enforce your own will. Women will never have such an opportunity. If you disagree then point out all the examples in history of women freeing themselves from oppression through military might of women alone. I can do this for all examples of slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:47 PM
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You've lied about what I've said and misrepresented my argument multiple times in order to force your agenda of labeling me as a misogynist. You're extremely bad faith. Feigned ignorance does not help you save face
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:44 PM
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No I'm not. You're hoping for an inconsistency that isn't there. You wish for a gotcha so bad. I'm not a women hater. Give up and have a productive conversation with me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:42 PM
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Guns have not closed this gap. Your beliefs is false and can be proven demonstrably. There are studies on this very subject showing a large male advantage on average. Force is the way rights are enforced in the USA lol. Whether this be from the big burly men with badges and guns or its your military members. The system and laws can tell you what should happen to the criminal. The big men actually make it happen. Through threat and use of force.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:41 PM
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No I want them to understand where their rights come from. Most don't understand that rights are not inherent. They believe they are inalienable in more than just word and law. Modernity provides illusion and that leads to delusional behavior. This is because people are operating on a false premise of safety in modernity. Why does everyone keep inferring their own projections? I never said I wanted women to be subservient. I am only describing the way the world is. Not what should be. Where did …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:38 PM
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Not feasible to add women to the draft. Biological differences are too great along with the socio and logistical entailments of such a decision. This was already tried and it failed in another country. Removing the draft is also not a feasible route. For obvious reasons. The largest being the fact that the government will never rescind its ability to call upon its citizens in times of emergency.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:34 PM
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You lied multiple times and said I called for the advocacy of rape and violence against women. You're a hypocrite to report when I simply served back what you dished out. It seems that when my arguments are strong you feminist tend to lie and strawman my position. Once I react you get super defensive and play the victim. It's happened twice on this thread already. Stop playing victim and defeat my arguments Instead of reporting and running
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:32 PM
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Difference is that men are giving and taking rights from other men in your example. The race is irrelevant to my point
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:28 PM
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This is a description of what is. If you believe anything here does not accurately describe what is, then refute the statement. Yes it has a troll element when I mentioned women being bratty. The rest of it is my true beliefs I'm espousing rhetoric and arguments from the original founders of feminism. I'll repeat myself. These are arguments from the founders of feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:25 PM
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Yeah having a penis wouldn't stop these things. That was never my argument
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:24 PM
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Cope and seethe😂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:23 PM
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Stop lying about me and you won't get ad homs
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:21 PM
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No not really. Cultural, political, legal, and economical issues are what typically start war and conflict between societies. Your last statement is an assertion. Do you have proof? I think the patriarchy prevents allot more from happening
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:19 PM
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Cool. You've made the assertion but haven't proven these assertions true. Making a descriptive statement that women can never be equal to men is objectively true. The same can be said in reverse. Men will never be equal to women. Is that phobic towards men? No it's a description of what is. I'd agree with your last statement. Men are not equal to women in that sense. I wouldn't waste my time calling something so obviously true as misandrist. I only care about the truth. Not your virtue signaling
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:18 PM
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No that's literally the argument. Explain how it's expressing a dislike or prejudice over women. Just because it's not a positive or affirming statement does not mean it's misogynistic. Just because it doesnt paint women as equals in every aspect does not make it misogynistic. You've made a claim. Now back it up. Prove your claim. Use evidence. If I said women have a center of gravity unsuited towards heavy phsycial labor but men do... is that misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:52 AM
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Explain to me like I'm 5
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:49 AM
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How
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:48 AM
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Misogyny is a dislike or prejudice towards women. Two of those comments express neither prejudice or a dislike. The brat comment expressed criticism. I love women and don't hold any prejudices over them. You just love using words that don't support your argument huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:47 AM
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The other two are not misogynistic in nature. They are describing what is. If you believe this is not accurate then please refute the claim The brat comment is the closest you can reach to misogyny. I fully admit your point is valid tho I must point out that I've never really argued that point as correct. Just self apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:44 AM
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The only statement that can be perceived as misogynistic is the brat comment and even then it's clearly not the focus of my argument and was never brought up in the debate as a topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:41 AM
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Quote the misogynistic statement. I made an ought claim and several descriptions of what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:35 AM
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I'm not sure. How can a women be a victim but a strong and empowered individual at the same time? You are trying to force the idea that because men have a monopoly on force this means that we can never be oppressed by the system ran by other men Its a stupid argument. Try again
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:31 AM
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I didn't go on a rant. I made an argument to support my descriptions of what is. Obviously some men are doing those things. I never denied this. You're truly stupid. You don't have the moral highground here. You're lying about me. Saying I said something that I never did. Stop virtue signaling. Stop being a white knight. Stop pandering to what your social group views as good and just be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:30 AM
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Where have I mentioned female submission? Are you arguing we don't live in a patriarchy? You keep making shit up with nothing to back it. I know you feel safe running away because you'll get all the upvotes but we both know you were intellectually dishonest here and lost. You resorted to ad homs and lies because you didn't have a real argument. You can deny and call me a misogynist all you want. But I bet you cant quote the misogynistic statement from me that you claim
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:27 AM
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Are you upset your gaslighting and virtue signaling didn't work on me? Bring real arguments next time you try to engage in a debate instead of rhetoric and bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:09 AM
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A concession. Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:04 AM
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To believe that men start wars because "men bad" is ridiculous. Women would still have conflict over resources, land, cultural issues, and every other reason human kind has entered battle for. You're just dumb dude. It's not even a debate. You're just extremely bad faith. Men don't start wars because men are inherently war mongers. When did I say women should forgo certain freedoms and hand over their bodies? You're an absolute dipshit. I've never said any of these claims that you have asserted.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:02 AM
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That's a logical fallacy. Men being as powerful as I described does not validate or invalidate the stats. You're being extremely illogical. Stop virtue signaling and engage in good faith. The stats aren't true just because you want to bully people into agreeing with you. This isn't highschool
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 10:56 AM
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Bro you keep down voting all my comments. Foh😂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 10:54 AM
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No it's not. Questioning the stats because of valid concerns is different than downplaying the seriousness of a situation or the validity. Stop virtue signaling and use your head
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 10:53 AM
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Both sides are crying. Let the algorithms feed you what you want. I don't care honestly. I'm just happy that I'm not lonely🤝😁
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 10:52 AM
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Definitely not what happened. I questioned the statistics. Not whether the issue was real
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 10:51 AM
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I am making the case that it's the opposite. Try rereading the post bud
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 10:49 AM
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https://boysvswomen.com/#/ Now go and cry
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 10:48 AM
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Wow talk about red herrings and non sequiturs. You could be the poster child goddamn. You really had a conversation with someone else because I didn't say half of what you just claimed. It's honestly bad faith. Women have never overpowered men and taken their rights. They have appealed to men and been granted rights. Point out a single time women actively forced men to give rights. If they could force men to give rights then there wouldn't be a need to appeal in the first place. They were benevo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 10:43 AM
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I absolutely hate the entitlement culture that it's producing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 10:00 AM
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Understandable. I tend to miss the forest for the trees sometimes. It's kind of hard to not be resentful when you see the hypocrisy and entitlement everywhere now
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:46 AM
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Incels with low testosterone. Idk man
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:44 AM
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Go find an average highschool boy and make him fight a women twice his age and size and watch him show how much power he has over her😂😂😂 dummy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:44 AM
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Yeah I'm not speaking in monoliths. I'm speaking in averages. There is such a thing as most women. There is such a thing as averages also. Give me this specific scenario and be hyper specific this time. I will try my best to answer
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:42 AM
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I'd agree. The changing of definitions is really messing up society. Especially when there's immense political pressure on our institutions to change these definitions to fit agendas🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:41 AM
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That initial statement doesn't make sense. Or at least I can't make sense of it. I don't consider my side to be the good side. The women did when they liked our standards more than Saudi Arabias. I don't want women to be subservient to me. I also don't wish to bar women from any aspect of life. Explain the paradox but using arguments I've actually made
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:39 AM
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While it's nice to acknowledge the struggles women have faced in fighting for their rights, let’s not overlook a crucial point: these rights have often been granted within a patriarchal framework that has historically positioned men as the arbiters of power. This structure, though imperfect, has been essential for maintaining social order and security throughout the vast expanse of human history. The benevolence of men on full display. I'd like you to point out any time or place in history in wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:31 AM
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Nah because even weaker men can typically overpower most women. According to the data🤷‍♂️ There will never be a situation in which women could maintain power of any kind even with superior weapons without stretching the hypothetical to an extreme That alone should be enough evidence for you to concede this one point
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:57 AM
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Lol I've seen a few female farmers that had no issue slaughtering animals that made my stomach turn. I get what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:53 AM
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Equity means ensuring that everyone has fair access to resources and opportunities, taking into account their unique needs and circumstances. It's about providing support to help individuals succeed, rather than treating everyone the same regardless of their starting point. This is the definition of equity in the context of egalitarianism
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:52 AM
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Nah. You're just dumb and can't grasp basic concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:49 AM
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Men provide safety from other men that would like to push their boots into your soft little neck. Explain the paradox. The patriarchy is necessary to protect from other patriarchs. I'm not sure I understand the last part of your comment. Try again please
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:49 AM
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Whether it's a simple correlation or a direct cause isn't really my point. It is an interesting philosophical question though. I'm simply describing what is. I don't actually disagree with your last statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:46 AM
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Figured you'd run away. Was hoping at least one of you had some substance instead of virtue signaling and women prattle
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:28 AM
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Yeah no doubt that women can do these things also. Just not as good as men on average. Hence men filling the role of enforcer since humankind's inception. This leads back to my overall point of the patriarchy being a necessity and that men are the enforcers of rights and laws. I don't have the legal right. I agree. How does this disprove my answer or disprove my overall argument? Sure I'll concede that I have limited power. That's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:28 AM
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Yes you can. Either you lack imagination or you're being purposefully obtuse. You can take away those rights by murdering them. Locking them in a cage. Enslaving them. You could brainwash them. Intimidation, challenge ownership rights. You could propogandize someone into losing their rights. You can stop the right of assembly, the right to bear arms, the right to free speech. These can all be stopped, Oppressed, and stripped from a person. All that's needed is the correct application of force. E…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:24 AM
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I didn't insult your intelligence. I made a recommendation after a ridiculous assertion by you. Can you prove any descriptive statement I've said as untrue?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:21 AM
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Every single one. I would be punished for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:19 AM
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Not true. I could remove rights from someone else. I'd have to face the repercussions for doing so. Again because men would enforce the law. Proving my point once more. Good luck on that lifelong cognitive dissonance
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:17 AM
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I'd much rather read about philosophy. Way more interesting than dusty old books about slavery. I love touching grass when I play baseball. Just because you don't like my factual descriptive statements does not mean I'm a introverted loser that needs to touch grass. Maybe don't throw a fit when you find someone who has views that don't prioritize virtue signaling🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:16 AM
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You can disagree but we can objectively understand the data that tells us it would be terrible. Whatever you dislike about society now would be much worse under a population collapse
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:13 AM
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All men carry a position of power due to biology. This is a description of what is. I'm not advocating for the abuse of this power dynamic. The position of power I am in is granted to me by this biological reality. My morals dictate that I have a responsibility to protect my family because of these biological advantages. The other men in my family share this same power and responsibility. The draft is another way in which the average man enforces rights. The direct implication of force from the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:11 AM
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It's happened before in history and even in modern times. You're confused. Touch a history book. You don't need a majority to enact major societal change. I'm not saying they should.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:06 AM
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You're speaking about hypergamy. It's well documented and present in all women. Should research it. It's rather interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:04 AM
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Ehh were trending towards the inability to reproduce fast enough to replace ourselves. This will result in a collapse of the nation causing endless misery and suffering. This is the least conducive towards a healthy society. So no. We need more of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:00 AM
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Sure that's true. Yet up against a man with the same experience you're likely to lose. It's a descriptive statement. Not an ought claim. I am describing the average outcome in the scenario you described with all else equal. I believe It wouldn't take even half the men. It would take a small minority. You can look at history to see this is true. Conversion of the majority has never been a requirement for major societal change. I'm not saying men should take the rights away from women. I'm describ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:52 AM
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There are many ways in which equity can have a detrimental effect on men in society Some argue that affirmative action can disadvantage qualified men in hiring or educational opportunities when diversity quotas prioritize women or minorities. In custody and support cases, men often feel disadvantaged by perceptions that favor mothers, leading to concerns about fair treatment in family law. Initiatives focused on women's health may overlook men's health issues, leading to disparities in funding a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:40 AM
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Both. Equality in any aspect unless religious. If christian it would be an ecclesiastical equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:36 AM
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Do you want the stats? There are major biological differences. Enough to show a significant gap in abilities. Ever wondered why the military still uses female push-ups? I can prove these claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:33 AM
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I never said you had to approve of the disenfranchisement or that it had to meet your standards. I'm not making an ought claim. I'm describing what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:31 AM
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Yes my rights will always be a social construct. Sadly your imagined scenario is very unlikely. The average man can easily take on a few enraged women. Yes even If I was getting my ass beat by feminist my rights would still be a social construct given and enforced by men. The enforcement arm of society would punish these people for violating my socially constructed rights. Which is my point. The men would enforce these rights. I never said women don't bring value to military conflict. You're mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:28 AM
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Idk. I'm having fun. You should try
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:19 AM
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This doesn't seem like a case of patriarchs being women(weird way to put it lol) The patriarchy can delegate power within itself. To weak men and to women. This only reinforces my argument though. This is how you have female judges and lawyers. The female judges still rely on the men to enforce their sentencing and the laws set forth. The enforcement arm will always be predominantly men via proxy. The same cannot be said in reverse. Hence the inherently fundamental role the patriarchy will alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:15 AM
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Because equity necessitates the disenfranchisement of another party. Unlike equality. It's a part of the meaning of equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:07 AM
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That's an illusion. Force is the ultimate decider. Influence won't stop the bombs from flying. Influence doesn't stop the mugger. Influence doesn't stop violations of rights. The threat of force does. The threat of arrest from big strong men with guns does. The threat of forcible restraint and the threat of incarceration. The threat of force. The judges power is only effective if men enforce his rulings. The politicians promises and laws are only effective if men enforce them. You're missing the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:59 AM
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I still don't think this is true. The combat efficiency between the two sexes is worlds apart. Thought ill grant this as true. Show me the group of women who can design and build hundreds of tanks😂 or even lift the material and do the labor necessary to make them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:56 AM
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Then maybe they should stop being whiny little brats. I'm not sure what else to say lol They protect against the men in other societies that are willing to use force to assert their will. I never disagreed that men enjoy this protection as well. I'm simply explaining that women will never be doing the protecting. Only men. One of the biggest factors in all of this is the risk potential that men face. The draft is forced upon men despite bodily autonomy violations(lol) and they risk going to die …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:48 AM
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Seems like a better path than the illusion that modernity provides of egalitarianism. With the current model we're set to have a self destructing society anyways. Since we aren't repopulating fast enough🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:41 AM
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Equity is detrimental to society and disenfranchises men. Why should we strive for it? Why should the benevolent patriarchy bequeath more privileges to the ones biting our hands?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:39 AM
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I don't think even a hypothetical matriarchy can be considered. Even among a thousand women a small group of 100 men would likely be the dominant force. This is due to the biological differences between the two sexes on average. Weak men have ruled. So have women. This is not the argument. The patriarchy can delegate power within itself to weak men and to women. The power still comes from the enforcement arm of that society which would be men. This includes military and police. The ones who upho…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:36 AM
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Thats not an argument. Try again
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:20 AM
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Lol I'm feeling a little incel-ish tonight. Figured I'd state a few descriptions of what is and then an ought claim that's in complete opposition to most worldviews. I'm hoping to hear some good arguments as I truly believe what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:16 AM
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