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That's what people usually mean, and it creates a weird disconnect because the medical definition often starts at a BMI of 30, which resembles more the women you posted (pre-photoshop at least). So people get deeply offended when their doctors say they're obese because the pop culture notion of obese is much different. All that being said I don't want to be some pedantic asshole who insists on medical definitions in everyday life. I just think it's weird when the gap in definitions becomes super…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 01:20 AM
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For the record, many or most of those women are medically obese, in terms of BMI. I'm only mentioning it because it's weird to post 5 pictures of obese women as their ideal then say "I won't date obese women though."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 03:33 PM
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But you don't get to vote on what a psychiatric diagnosis is. If you're going to use the diagnostic system, then listen to the people who create it and research it. If you don't want to listen to them, then don't use their terms and their system. Diagnoses aren't like regular language.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 03:42 AM
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I mean you basically said someone could have Asperger's instead of Autism when that's not possible by definition. It doesn't matter whether you care what other people think; you're using diagnostic words, so use them correctly or don't use them at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 02:31 AM
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She can have sex with many men and be pregnant by one...? Why would she need to be pregnant by several?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 12:21 AM
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Asperger's no longer exists as a distinct diagnosis and is considered part of the Autism Spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 12:18 AM
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Comfortable underwear, I guess? Apparently having comfortable underwear is required to prove your intelligence and moral worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 12:10 AM
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I find most of these men so unattractive that I'm too lazy to rate them systematically. Worth noting that I'm 22 and many of these men look like they're in their 30s and 40s. I like both versions of 6, truly no preference. Both Hugh Jackmans (12), though I do prefer big Hugh Jackman (but I think the first photo is unfairly unflattering). Ronaldo (4) is too effeminate for me to be able to even rate. The rest are just unattractive regardless. They look too "basic" for me. Bonus, it's worth noting …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 10:56 PM
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I'm not saying this is why he was single, but body builders are usually beyond "hot" territory and into "weird and gross" territory in many women's opinions due to their muscularity and lifestyles. The hugest dudes at my gym tend to be single or date women who are also body builders because people aren't super into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 04:04 PM
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If I misunderstand RP then that's a relief, because again I respect the right to game the current system (even though I disagree with it personally), and what I can't stand is when people claim the system is unchanging and/or based on inherent biological traits. I see the attitudes I mentioned in TRP and purple pill comments all the time, but it's true that I haven't seen it in TRP source material or major posts. Maybe it's one of those things where certain folks just take the theory the wrong w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 09:13 PM
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And the most annoying thing is they wouldn't even need to bring up biology in their arguments if they didn't feel like it. They're the ones who are obsessed with hard sicence. If they just went "well this is how it's been, more or less, for 2000 years and we're teaching you to game the system in our culture" I'd be like, great. I mean, morally I disagree with them and a huge number of them misapply theory to the point of being extremely rapey, but at least their premise would be valid. Instead t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 07:12 PM
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TRP tries to talk about the lizard brain but makes a bunch of assumptions about past humans that are not evidence-based, then present them as fact. For example, the idea that men used to be extremely concerned with sharing resources only with their own offspring, that women selected one mate to take care of them, etc. These underlie all of the behaviors they talk about but there is limited evidence for them. All of these assumptions only hold once we became sedentary and isolated ourselves into …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 06:24 PM
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The quote is still there, bullet 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 02:44 PM
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What made me think they were saying they were the common sense pill? Oh you know, just this quote: You might say I'm the "common sense pill". I agree they're in the middle by this sub's standards, but to assume "middle = common sense" is a fallacy. Besides, "middle" is also arbitrary. I'm a moderate by my city's standards and a radical leftist by my state's standards for example. None of that has any bearing on how "common sense"-y I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 05:13 AM
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Everyone thinks they're the "common sense pill" or "common sense" anything. But thanks for sharing your views. I'm in the same camp of neither blue nor red, but just call it non-redpill for the sake of forums like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 08:28 PM
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I think that amount of muscle definition is unattractive. I don't want someone who's always on bulk/cut cycles for aesthetics. I find that much of an emphasis on appearance to be off-putting. The men I like workout but also usually play sports and have outdoor hobbies and their goals are oriented around strength and fitness rather than bf% and definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 10:41 PM
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In addition to the other person's comment, there are higher expectations now for relationships. They're supposed to be emotionally fulfilling and not just an economic contract for making families. Fathers are also expected to take a bigger role in child rearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 10:22 PM
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Some form of sexual intimacy, I think, is necessary for a vast majortiy of people. Am woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/17 09:10 PM
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Tea cup pigs are just malnourished baby potbelly pigs. A separate breed that remains that small doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/17 07:02 PM
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I am your total opposite/deal breaker. For some reason that's kinda fun to think about. May we never cross paths, for our sakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/17 07:01 PM
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The original post made 0 mention of finances, career, or provider status.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 02:02 AM
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Women are also known for consistently under-reporting (and/or men for over-reporting). Not to split hairs though. There's just very strong social pressure for women to lie about not having sex and for men to exaggerate. I think overall medians probably are a fair-ish representation, but figures like that 25% are much more doubtful and often have a huge margin of error.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 02:54 AM
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That's my thought process too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/17 09:21 PM
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So by those figures 4-5 partners would be a "moderate" overall history of sexual activity. Interesting. The distribution isn't on a normal curve though so I don't know that I would personally use median as my own measure of "moderate." But now it does make sense why someone else would. I also wasn't trying to imply that college students have more sex though, just using college graduation age as a proxy for adulthood and the time when people are looking to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/17 09:20 PM
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5-6 is like one person a year. I disagree that that's moderate for someone who's graduated college. Edit: I'm using college as a life stage reference, not saying people in college are promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/17 07:47 PM
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A 6'5 guy is equivalent of 5'11.4 female, both extremely rare and I think a good match. That doesn't address what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that a 6' guy is "ideal" and a 5'7 guy is "less than," while a 5'6" woman might be "ideal" but a 5'1" woman is "cute and fun size." When you account for height differences between the sexes, a woman at, say, 40th percentile for women is penalized less than a man at that same 40th percentile for men. A woman at 40th percentile stands a fair chance at dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 01:58 AM
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This doesn't work at all because judgment of the sexes is completely different. A shorter man loses a lot more value than a shorter woman. In fact, tall women are often penalized for being too tall while men have to be 6'3-6'4+ before that becomes an issue. So just looking at height distributions doesn't give you your "equivalent." Weight ends up being a wash because men are judged less harshly for being overweight, but women have more clothing and makeup options to boost their attractiveness. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 07:26 PM
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Cannot tell if you're being ironic or not. You know that for a millennium+ paleness had been the ideal in the West, right? You're just rationalizing the status quo with bullshit. Tans signal social status because people work indoors and a tan suggests leisure time outside. It has nothing to do with cancer. Before tans were cool, they signalled low social status because people worked outside and tans reflected that. If your theory had any value then we wouldn't have had that shift, and we also wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 09:48 PM
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It's not a man thing. Look at magazines and popular models online and most of them are lightly-to-moderately tanned unless they're branded as alternative or special in some way. Hell, look at the women in Sports Illustrated -- tanned and shiny. I've had someone yell "get a tan, bitch!" at me out of their car, and I live in the midwest. The expectation is even stronger on the coasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 09:44 PM
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Natural sunlight and UV tanning have the same effects if you're exposed for the same amount of time. I agree there's a class difference due to differences in makeup, skincare, haircare, diet, and stress, but the skin doesn't magically tan differently when you're on a rich-people vacation in Southern France.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 09:39 PM
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She sent it around to her friends. As...petty gossip. And then it got spread around. I know I skipped the content because I didn't feel like engaging with this particular post. But one of the questions was directly about academic value. What this thing is is part of the point because calling it an "academic thesis" is suggesting it's been endorsed by the school, academia, etc. If this is an academic thesis then we might as well call forwarded nudes "professional portfolios."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/16 09:13 PM
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It wasn't made as "an academic publication" or a "senior honors thesis." It was a joke she made after graduation. Highly misleading post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/16 03:02 PM
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When you say stuff like that you only remember the Feminists your stuff worked on, and forget the Feminists who didn't like it. Lots of Feminists go for redpillers but you certainly can't make the claim that it's most or all without real numbers. Especially on the internet where one reply to your post might mean 1000 lurkers who chose not to reply. I'm a Feminist and my guy definitely isn't redpill. He isn't particularly Feminist either though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 09:42 PM
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How come you're willing to get an abortion if instructed by your husband/boyfriend if that's not listed in your acceptable reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 08:20 PM
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Love means different things to different people. I agree shallowness overall is a negative quality but I don't think it's up to anyone to moralize what needs people prioritize in their romantic relationships and I don't think it's always an indication of who they are as a person overall. If you have a super good circle of friends, maybe you only need a little bit of romance and sex from your partner (as opposed to the "I want my wife to be my best friend" sentiment). Or maybe you're a woman whos…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 10:10 PM
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I think people are fully allowed to have shallow expectations so long as they don't hold the other sex to higher standards. Like if your primary interest is sex, don't hate others when their primary interest is resources. That's a mutually beneficial (albeit lame and shallow) relationship. Seems weird to get outraged about.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 03:53 PM
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I agree. I was explaining the concept, not condoning it. I think companies are lying about the pink tax being justified, but I as a woman also just don't buy those products. I use an old fashioned safety razor with blades that cost me a penny each (for the easy spots at least). I'm too low income for most of the pink tax stuff to apply to me except for clothing-related problems. Overall seems like a middle class sort of issue. I do however think that menstrual products should be included under t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 06:35 PM
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It's an interesting question in general, but I'm not sure how it'd be relevant to the pink tax. The pink tax is about price differences for services/commodities targeted at women, not about literal taxes (though sometimes sales taxes on necessities like menstrual products are mentioned). Income taxes or overall taxes, on the other hand, are based largely on wealth and not demographics. For example, young women in large cities currently make more than young men in those cities, and so the women l…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 04:37 AM
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Don't forget burkinis at the beach too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 08:58 PM
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Also, if she finds a man that fits all her criteria, what makes her so sure that she is worth his time? She doesn't have to be sure. That's the whole point of dating. If she gets a date with him then she is worth his time. If she doesn't then she needs to lower her expectations or increase what she's bringing to the table. I think these kinds of arbitrary dating requirements go away for people who have common sense/personal insight and stay for people who don't learn from their own experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 06:27 PM
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Income requirements make sense for someone who wants to have children and be able to afford insurance and school for them. That being said, everyone I know who has a stated number for that requirement usually sets it high and has certain lifestyle expectations. People who have an income requirement for a justified reason (like the one I mentioned above) usually frame the requirement with more tact and flexibility and don't use an actual number.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 06:22 PM
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In the course of my life i've found women to be much less sympathetic listeners than men. Either they start crying and make it about themselves, they quietly despise you for daring to complain. You sound like a bad communicator.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 05:28 PM
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A better way to contribute if you don't know what to say (and don't want to sound like a bad therapist) is to identify the emotion they're feeling and acknowledge it. I.e. "wow, that sounds really frustrating" or "you must be so stressed. You'd think a good manager would take that into consideration," or "what a tough situation, I'd be so torn too" Etc. It feels stupid while you're saying it but it works pretty well to convey caring and doesn't frustrate people so long as you only do it a few ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 05:23 PM
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I don't know how The Red Pill is so consistently dense that it can't grasp the idea that you can't count what you can't see. I'm not questioning whether the identifiable ones are common, I'm questioning how common the unidentifiable ones are. You as a group have no way of knowing and yet you (as a group) pretend you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 01:42 PM
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It's not amazingly hard to tell if a person is good or bad after observing them for a bit let alone after going on a date. So your logic is seriously "every douchebag I'm aware of has made me aware of his douchebaggery." Do you not see how stupid of an observation that is? That's just a tautology. Yeah if someone is both stupid and an asshole then it's observable. But that doesn't mean that the ones you see even make up 10% of the total assholes out there. By definition you won't notice the assh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 11:04 PM
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They are actually really easy. There's like 2-3% that are really good at hiding it, but it's really easy to spot douchebags. Source (edit: or reasoning)? TRP people make these claims about how easy it is to spot certain personalities, but it's impossible to know how easy it is unless you know of ALL the hidden ones in a given sample. I saw a similar claim that men who are abusive are easy to spot. But no one has explained to me how people have figured out the proportion of hidden to not-hidden i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 10:54 PM
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It's not about what's so special to women, it's about what's so special about sex. Sex has intimate emotional and romantic value. Even super casual sex is intimate in its own way because people are still acting on carnal attraction and sharing something that they "save" for people with this special attraction. Putting someone else inside if you is very significant emotionally. That will never compare to donating blood or money. Some men say they don't attribute this special value to sex, and tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 01:31 PM
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So then incels should be happy with prostitutes. Those are the women who are willing to share their pussies with unattractive men. The rest of us aren't. If you want to talk about charity then ask people to pay for your prostitutes for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 01:23 PM
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Can't tell if troll
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 11:58 PM
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This is a classic human mindset. Lasting social bonds are key to societies that don't have solid infrastructures. We evolved to form groups with members we could rely upon. If you view people as inherently replaceable because they don't individually have special quantifiable value then you're taking an extremely sociopathic viewpoint. Even if many RPers value sociopathic traits as a way to improve one's personal position in life, these traits are harmful to society overall, and to the rest of us…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 02:38 AM
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Clinton comes off as an extremely pro-establishment candidate and doesn't seem to have any intentions for serious reform, only small surface changes. While I realize that serious reform can't happen in one or two election cycles (especially if a third partier with few allies gets voted in), I would still like to use my vote to support candidates with loftier stated goals. I'm also one of the people who was pro-Bernie and saw the election as rigged in Clinton's favor, so I inherently distrust her…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 11:09 PM
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Probably voting for Gary Johnson. Green Party is too anti-science (and Stein has no political experience) and I strongly dislike Clinton and Trump. Johnson's Libertarianism is somewhat opposite to how I'd structure a society myself, but when it's taken issue by issue it lines up okay with my priorities for the next few terms (end the war on drugs/demilitarize police, cut the military budget, cut corporate influence in politics, overhaul tax code, move certain inefficient bureaucracies to a state…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 08:50 PM
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Please read the whole rest of the discussion. I answered over 15 times in this thread and I'm not going to tread in circles for newcomers who are too lazy to read replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 08:42 PM
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undervaluing jobs that have historically been done by women [would be] resolved by the women involved being more assertive assertively displaying the value of completed work could lead to a reduction in penalties for women who are assertive about everything else If the work is not valued to begin with, then one cannot really muster up value to back up assertiveness to use to then demonstrate value. Your argument feels a bit circular? But I think it largely depends on the industry or sphere that …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 05:29 AM
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It's something men do to people of similar or lower rank to them. A college professor is typically not challenged that way in the first day of class (though this was a technical school, not a University, but still).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 05:17 AM
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Why do Christians sometimes use the label when Christianity encompasses Protestants, Catholics, Puritans, some Unitarian Universalists, etc. etc? They have one rough concept in common but completely different goals, beliefs, and practices. Feminism is a category of ideologies, not a formally defined label/political party. Same goes for labels like "Leftist," "Alt Right," "Environmentalist," ...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 10:21 PM
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You don't get to call yourself a feminist and then make up your own definition of what that means Feminism has a million variations and no fixed definition or objectives. It's a label, not a political party. The rough concept of feminism is to achieve social and legal equality of the genders by pushing for the better treatment of women. There is no official platform or planks and there's much debate about what equality truly means.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:11 PM
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I'm sorry, do you want me to write a letter to the official Feminist Commission formally informing them that they're stupid and need a new slogan? Or do you think I'm obligated to believe/accept the slogan just because I identify as Feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 02:01 PM
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Good to know both sides are similarly pressed on the child issue. Interesting to see how as per usual the men are stuck with "be a man" type rhetoric while women are stuck with "your magical biological clock will make you do it" type rhetoric. Reflects differences in attitudes. Anyway, I agree assertiveness would help tremendously but unfortunately that's one of the most difficult issues to address because it goes beyond just parenting and involves how people are treated when they are assertive …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:58 PM
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Yes. Women should support the fight for those hard/dangerous jobs, but even if that fight is under-supported it doesn't negate the merits of fighting for the top positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:40 PM
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street harassment. Can be criminalized. Bad idea. Impossible to enforce without significantly impeding people's rights. The means justify the ends ain't that right? In this case yes. No, they complain about everything and everything under the sun. Good, so we're in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:39 PM
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Yeah you're actually right. TIL interruption is more linked to situation than to gender. I'll have to strike that off my list of complaints haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:37 PM
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No evidence to support nature over nurture for those, except when it comes to the most base of instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:32 PM
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Those are very good points. I personally disagree with the notion that "feminism is for everyone" and I also don't buy the whole "Feminism is the same as Egalitarianism!11!!!" stuff that people spew, so I'm in agreement with what you're saying. I just don't think efforts to fix "the top" are made less valid/acceptable by the lack of effort at the bottom. I do agree that the effort at the bottom should be there too though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:31 PM
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I agree that physical standards should be consistent across genders, but tailored to the specific job. E.g. any firefighter or combat troop should be able to carry a large, grown man in full gear on their shoulders to safety. They should be able to scale a wall in armor or crawl under barbed wire or do other tasks that might actually happen in the field. My only issue with the way we do physical testing is that we do a lot of abstract measures of strength like pushups or pull-ups rather than tes…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:27 PM
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Well, when I say sexual inequality I'm generally thinking of things like the orgasm gap, the fact that sex is considered an act that ends with the man cumming, the idea that a woman's first time is almost always painful, the idea that women often take "several months" to adjust to sex, the fact that we all pretend women barely masturbate, that we think women can't handle casual sex, and that tons of young women basically stay quiet when they're in pain during sex because they think pain is norma…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:11 PM
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We have very little evidence showing that brain differences that actually make an impact on performance are genetic. The gaps in performance between men and women on IQ tests and other metrics of brain dissimilarities have been closing since the 70s in basically everything except for men's superior ability to mentally rotate shapes. The fact that the gap is closing suggests that the differences are largely environmental. You can scream and bang your head against a wall all you want about how our…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:54 PM
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Even if you were right that there a lot more effort than I think, it pales in comparison to the effort expended over getting high paying, prestigious, white collar jobs. I don't understand what conclusion I'm supposed to draw from that. If a major premise of the Feminist movement is "Men have historically held power over us, and now we want some power back" then what makes the effort to get prestigious white collar jobs wrong? Or are you examining the Feminist premise that "men and women are equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:50 PM
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I realize it sounded hypocritical, it's just that my list where I wanted answers from him was 4 items, whereas the one I wrote which you asked about was much longer. Plus many of the answers are fairly straight forward (as were his). If there are a few that you want to point out I can try to answer them, though I also have 15+ replies in my inbox right now so I'm getting a bit burnt out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:42 PM
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Write to Congress then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:33 PM
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Women are naturally quite poor at being direct and assertive, Men are naturally much better at having tact when being direct and assertive Citation needed. You admit yourself that youre basing this assumption off of 5 year olds, since you admit that we raise our women to not be leaders starting when they're 5. Though gendered teaching begins from birth, so even if you were right we'd still have to look even further back to see what's "natural." We also thought men were "naturally" better teacher…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:28 PM
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Sociology is about averages, tendencies, and institutional issues. Even if the trends don't influence every single dude, or even don't benefit 30 or 40% of men, doesn't negate the existence of trends. If he's one of the men who isn't affected, he can't then tell me institutional biases or cultural biases don't exist just because he didn't personally receive a benefit from one. Also most men don't realize certain everyday differences in terms of how their opinions are received, and that's a huge …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:13 PM
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Because that divide is unfair and useless in our current society. Even if a man's body is better adapted for warfare and a woman's body is for child bearing, neither of those determine which person is more fit for teaching or law or business. We can twist biology and evopsych around to justify why men are in higher powered fields but the fact of the matter is that the distribution has been affected by centuries of actual oppression of women and even if they're no longer oppressed now, the differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:07 PM
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That's not at all a quick question and I'm not going to write a dissertation for you. Many of the issues I mention pertain to gender roles whereas the men's issues I brought up didn't. For the remaining issues that don't have to do with gender roles, there's probably several books on each topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:00 PM
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I mean it's interesting, but it's still not enough to justify a huge gender gap in leadership positions. Also, the first study was good but the second study is bunk: "To find out, Klofstad and his colleagues asked a group of 71 college students to vote for a preferred choice for school board from 10 pairs of female and 10 pairs of male candidates, based just on hearing their voices say, "I urge you to vote for me this November.” " That's pretty flawed methodology. If you have a high voice saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:08 AM
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'Sex, family, and relationship' problems are less important than others? I never said or implied that men's rights or those areas are less important. They're just more concentrated in a few areas. I don't see any feminists fighting for equal representation in the oil fields, trash collectors, coal miners, construction laborers, etc. Well, get your eyes checked :P There have been efforts to get women into sanitation work and to get equal treatment within that field. Women fought extremely hard fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:57 AM
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You're assuming leadership is about physical strength. We have tons and tons of leaders in this world who are old, because we value experience, wisdom, and charisma. Gandhi wasn't exactly intimidating. Bill Clinton's voice isn't booming. We're not cavemen who choose leaders based on superficial traits (though they do have influence). I can see how for certain positions it would be beneficial to have the intimidation factor -- perhaps in business negotiations or for military positions. But not ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:41 AM
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Pretty recent measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:28 AM
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Men are more likely to be perceived as abusive, Men being raped is funny, Lack of significant reproducive rights, Paternity fraud, Domestic Violence, Forced genital mutilation, one sided view of gender/sex quality, violence against men To me those all fall under the spheres of sex, family, and relationships as I mentioned. Re: homelessness, drug addiction, suicide, and victims of violent crime -- what are the proposed mechanisms through which society causes this issue in men, or how would we tar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:19 AM
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If one thing goes wrong the woman gets blamed but a man in a similar situation wouldn't get blamed. Do you have anything to back that up? Typically most of the stuff I bring up here I've seen in studies, but you're being really really vague. Women who aren't social like women should be are more discriminated against in society and on the job. Would also like to see studies about this. I don't mean to say I don't believe you, I just don't know how the stuff you're saying could be verified because…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:04 AM
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Stacy is the female version of "Chad" -- an outgoing, good looking, and sexually successful alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:01 AM
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Men are allowed to be different more often but women aren't or they get punished by society. Feminist here, and in my opinion that's definitely inaccurate. Women have a much wider variety of fashion choices and forms of expression available. A dude who dyes his hair pink is going to have his manliness questioned, a girl who dyes her hair or cuts it short will not have her gender called into question. A dude who shows love or intimate feelings around other men will be called gay, a woman who does…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:45 AM
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Lots of indecisive people are like that, but many women outright play dumb or are fearful of being assertive. Basically any middle class white dude will tell you about an experience that goes something like this: "What do you want to eat?" "Oh I dunno, anything you want!" "Chinese food then" "Nooo, I don't think I'm in the mood for that." "Well what do you want then?" "Really I have no ideas!" "Italian?" "No, that doesn't sound good either." Now whether she actually has a place in mind and wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:33 AM
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I mean there are plenty of studies on the issues I mentioned, which shows that these problems are common enough. If an average woman is likely to be treated the same as a weak man, that's putting women beneath men in social rank, even if not every single woman would face these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:27 AM
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Well for one, if a man is treated differently because he's weak, a person has still made their judgement based on his actual personality traits and behavior rather than based on his sex. If women receive this "weak man" treatment consistently before they can even prove their worth or lack thereof, that's still a sexism issue because their sex was used as a flag for their weakness. The guy was assumed to be neutral until he proved himself weak or strong, whereas the woman was assumed to be on-par…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:20 AM
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Complaints we hear from Feminists include: street harassment, slut-shaming and other sexual inequality, not being taken seriously at work or in politics (specific examples include being interrupted more often by men, being expected to speak less than men, being called pet names in inappropriate situations, being checked out/ogled blatantly in work environments, not having answers listened to after someone asks a question), being raised as indirect/unassertive/passive aggressive communicators (in…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:59 AM
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It affects the way people are perceived (men are taken more seriously in positions of authority), the way people are allowed to behave (men interrupt women more, women are often taught to be subtle and indirect rather than assertive), the way we assume biology works (people think hormones prevent women from rational decision making, or think men are inherently better at leadership due to some innate traits), and the way we raise children (all of the above factors influence how we raise our kids,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:32 AM
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I identify as a Feminist and I think the biggest issue with the movement is that we're talking about issues as if they're solvable through writing new laws when a majority of Feminist issues are social/cultural ones. Women aren't missing legal rights in the U.S. (assuming we follow through with fully integrating the military) but there are lots of social influences that work against women. I also acknowledge that there are plenty of social/cultural problems that work against men, it just so happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 03:46 AM
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The question was why we react differently, and her answer reflects that. Doesn't matter if both men have the same motivation while one speaks to me as a human while the other verbally reduces me to sex parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 06:42 PM
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Sure it happens but it's not going to happen to the majority of a gender over ideological differences. Ideology doesn't outweigh biological impulses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:54 AM
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Even if a bi person is monogamously committed to a lesbian, they're still bi... same for straight relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:45 AM
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Humans are inherently social creatures. People who are bad at being social can be repulsive because they're not doing well with something that is considered basic instinct/required behavior. That being said, they can also be endearing, or be a good match for someone with similar problems or for someone with empathy about the problems. But they're certainly not inherently better partners in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:38 AM
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I mean if you're getting to the point we're you're flirting with other women all the time then I don't blame her for not holding you in high regards.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 08:57 PM
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And dread game can cause a woman to stop caring about you because she sees you as manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 08:46 PM
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What does that have to do with the question in the thread? The question discussed currently is "can you recognize bad sex without a point of comparison" not "is bad sex irreparable." This seems like an irrationally sore spot for you because you keep forcing the issue of communication when it has nothing to do with anything we're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 04:10 PM
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Even if you do, human brains are notoriously bad at gauging generalities accurately (due to all sorts of heuristics and confirmation biases) and you also don't have a random sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 08:03 PM
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Or you can't pull the attractive ones who aren't receptive to Red Pill tactics, so you forget about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 04:00 PM
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My hard no was when I told him ahead of time by text, on our date, and in the car where my limits were. He chose to badger me over and over as if I didn't mean them. Fortunately the approach in this post is a lot better, but I can't imagine how a guy would end up behaving like the one I dealt with without having heard shit like "women don't know what they want," "women are indecisive and you need to push them in the right direction," etc., and that's the kind of rhetoric I see on TRP all the tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 07:59 PM
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We rely on strangers all the time. I share the road with strangers if I drive a car. Living in the US, I trust strangers outside not to shoot me dead with their potentially concealed weapons while I'm walking around. Being a server I trust people to pay their bill before leaving. If I get T-boned it's not my fault for daring to drive. If I get shot in a school shooting it's not my fault for not wearing Kevlar. If a customer walks out on a tab it's not my fault for not handcuffing myself to them …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 04:22 AM
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Are women not ever supposed to go home with someone unless it's for sex? That's a tremendous restriction on the freedom of half the population. Should a woman who was raped by her date have been more prepared for it than a woman who's raped by her coworker at his house? How do we assess rape risk exactly so that we can appropriately blame the rape victim for putting herself "in danger?" Is the blame split between victim and perpetrator here? Secondly, an analogy about danger: when someone walks …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 03:59 AM
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That argument is such circular logic. She can't say no because he might be a rapist, resulting in non-rapists becoming rapists because they continued due to her lack of no. Then we say we need affirmative consent, but do you know who doesn't care about affirmative consent? Rapists. So saying no gets you raped by a rapist, not saying no gets you raped by a rapist or a regular person, and teaching regular people to look for affirmative consent still doesn't address rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 03:47 AM
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Dude did this (seeing my "no" as a challenge) to me. Did not work. He looked very surprised and taken aback when I said "no" again after he stuck his penis in me without my consent. Didn't press charges since he stopped after penetrating me despite an entire night of me saying I didn't want sex (but did want making out and snuggle). I even told him in writing. So the whole "pushing past LMR is rapey" thing does hold some weight. Edit: I do agree with the method this particular post outlined. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 03:39 AM
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Fortunately, we had the kind of bond that allowed us to trust each other with all our secrets, all our thoughts Doesn't sound like the type of bond that comes from dudes who take pride in quantity over quality, refer to humans as plates, and "next" women for not putting out conveniently enough. There is nuance to consent but your example isn't broadly applicable to the demographic or scenarios we're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 03:33 AM
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Why TRP then? I'm not saying you're advocating for them, but you see your choices as "be bitter and do nothing" or "be bitter and fix it using a group that uses flawed science, shitty shortcuts, and hatred of women as its methodology." How about neither?
/r/ExRedPill28/05/16 08:15 PM
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Life isn't fair. My friends got to learn to drive, I never did due to my parents' financial situation. I moved to a city where I don't need to drive. My boyfriend has always been athletic where I basically failed PE. We did couch to 5k together and now I can shittily jog 5 miles. I have anxiety and I've put in work to be more social and pick up hobbies. I didn't need to hate people or manipulate people or bitch constantly to fix my problems. You can envy people but indoctrinating yourself into a…
/r/ExRedPill28/05/16 07:55 PM
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So I should teach my daughter every man is worthy of her No. You just shifted the meaning of "worthy" to something else. In the first post you were saying the entire other gender (50% of the population) is not worthy of any consideration or regard whatsoever and that you should only ever care about your own goals and desires. That's not really how society works, so that's a very anti-social position. In the second post you're suddenly talking about the worthiness of individuals as romantic partn…
/r/ExRedPill22/05/16 03:10 PM
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you will always be aware of the fact that they had all the fun during their prime years while you were sitting in your room playing Morrowind Wait, let me get this straight: you're sitting on your ass being a total loner and playing video games all day and you think the only two solutions are to join a manly cult or just waste away as a depressed sack of shit? You do realize you can work on self improvement without subscribing to the red pill right?
/r/ExRedPill21/05/16 08:56 PM
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Talking about whether or not other people are "worthy" is why people would call you out on that language. Also women do tons of shit for men so you're honestly either thoughtless or a moron if you think men are the only sex to do things to attract the other. The issue isn't worthiness, it's about motivation and esteem. Internal motivation lasts longer and is healthier than external motivation. I.e. lifting because you want to feel good and be strong is in general a more reliable motivator than l…
/r/ExRedPill21/05/16 08:42 PM
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The thing is, even while rejecting TRP, people can still recognize patterns or be pro-self improvement. Many people all over the political/beliefs spectrum will say that if the same thing happens over and over to someone, that person is the only common denominator. They need to change something about themselves in order to avoid having the same bad thing happen over and over again. TRP takes it one step further by telling you how to change yourself, based on a lot of assumptions about women and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 01:53 AM
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Yes, but we don't live in communal societes anymore I'm arguing specifically about people trying to use evolutionary psychology to justify practices that are recent. They're recent, not innate. And for the alpha thing, our species size difference between men and women and the relative size of human testacles to that of the body suggests that we didn't have a system with one male and a bunch of women, or a system with one woman and a bunch of males (ball size would be bigger because sperm competi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 05:21 PM
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I replied to a comment which said that men must ensure that their efforts go mainly to their own children, by pointing out an alternative model by which men in small-scale societies can ensure that their children succeed without actually investing a majority of their effort in their own children. I'm not saying that this was the norm, but I am pointing out that our persistent concern with genetic lineage and paternal investment was not necessarily universally present in early humans. Edit: My ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 06:38 AM
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I'm not saying it was a golden age. Plus humans have tribal allegiances beyond just those based in paternity, so your whole thing about keeping men tied to a tribe with sex doesn't really hold. Men have allegiances to other men without sex, and they have allegiances to tribes through family, tradition, religion, music, necessity for survival, etc. None of these are reliant on women promising their lifelong allegiance to a male. The logger story tells us they don't want outsiders' children. It do…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 06:30 AM
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women fucked the biggest alpha around For the most part, biology doesn't support that assumption. So what you are saying is that they on one hand try to exploit female hypergamy and attraction to alphas and on the other hand believe female nature is marrying a single beta and spending a lifetime with him? Yes? Exactly that. Don't you guys say all the time that women want to fuck the alphas and then settle down with betas in exchange for their resources? I'm saying that there was a time in histor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 05:09 AM
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Humans are only at the top of the food chain because we're good at cooperating. Why do you think language evolved? Communism is an ideological non-starter in large-scale societies, but the sharing of resources is how we survived in small-scale ones. Let's say you're a prehistoric man. You have a kid. Grutgrut, your tribe mate, is the best hunter. Grutgrut teaches all the boys, including yours, to hunt. In exchange he gets some prestige and leadership points in the tribe. All the kids who are abl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 04:46 AM
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The book Sex at Dawn is about this topic and has a lot of cultural examples. The most relevant to this topic is "partible paternity", or the concept that many men contribute to the paternity of a child. This summary briefly discusses the concept in South America, and how it casts doubt over the male-female bargaining system. It exists across a couple different groups in South America. Then there is of course the African saying that "it takes a village to raise a child." That saying basically enc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 04:33 AM
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If you meet the checklist requirements and pass the "shit tests" then how are you still beneath her? You are describing a scenario in which a woman has requirements and a mate has surpassed them. That puts the mate above her, assuming her initial requirements were for someone who matched her or was better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 02:56 AM
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I didn't read this entire thing because it's long, but I want to point out that there is always a very faulty assumption at the core of red pill logic, and that is this whole "caveman" and prehistoric female selectiveness narrative. The assumption for a long time has been that humans are inherently monogamous, or that women are monogamous and men are not. But there's no hard evidence to support that. The idea of 2 parents as the sole caretakers of their kids is pretty modern. The idea of a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 02:46 AM
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In my opinion, Group X has been succeeding. Men are more able to talk about their feelings, relationships don't have as strict gender roles, androgynous or feminine presentation is becoming slightly more acceptable for men, men don't always have to be prone to physically fighting, men are allowed to have more than two emotions (joy and anger), etc. At least that's how it is in my social circle. In my opinion the reward from Group Y is ONLY appealing to Group Z in the long run. The girls who fuck…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 04:52 PM
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I agree with what you're saying about the women, but I don't see your greater point. Not all women are feminists and even within the feminist movement there are an insane amount of variations in beliefs and practices (i.e. Tumblr on one end and old fashioned man-hating trans-exclusionary lesbians on the other). If group X believes that a set of behaviors is bad, and group Y rewards these behaviors, I don't really see what your point is about group X? Or is your goal to point out that group Y (th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:45 PM
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Pew poll found that 40% of single mothers were never married. So you're waving away nearly half of the population of single moms there, assuming they had a relatively easy choice when many of them didn't. Also studies find that divorced men end up financially better off and consistently get remarried more quickly than divorced women. The real loss for men is usually that they miss out on their kids, and that is largely due to men choosing not to pursue equal custody (similar studies have been co…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 07:19 AM
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It's in line with other feminist views because feminists also tend to be against the stuff that hold women back from hitting on men (slut shaming, confidence issues, media portrayal of women as passive, etc.) Men need to be more conscious of when it's appropriate to hit on women. And women need to learn to put the moves on if they think a man isn't going to. That's about it. Pretty simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 05:26 AM
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That's some very vague phrasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 07:40 PM
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As a person who doesn't want kids, I benefit from parental benefits and government programs that help kids because I'm going to have to interact with them for decades. Other people already mentioned we need a competent future work force, but parents who are actually able to stay home or spend more time with their kids are going to raise better people in general. Look at Japan's cultural crisis (women refusing to have children, men giving up on dating, social anxiety and isolation through the roo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 07:32 PM
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"No one is forcing you to work, you seem entitled" I'm not sure how wanting to work for money in a money-based society is entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 07:28 PM
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I never said Abrahamic religion was successful because it was misogynistic. I said it was allowed because it was born in a gender-restrictive environment. You agree that capitalism contributed to gender disparities. Modern disparities between genders which are socially enforced are labeled "sexism" even if they're not rooted in actual hatred. I agree that in some parts I conflated sexism and outright misogyny. But we have to examine the misogyny we wish to discuss. Redpill "misogyny" (debatable …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:39 AM
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The history of this is way too huge to explain in one post, honestly. I've tried like 6 times and I just can't condense it because it combines anthropology, archaeology, sociology, history, and economics and I really don't have the knowledge to do the whole thing justice. This is going to come off as disjointed and overly simplified, but I promise most of my assertions are rooted in some kind of fact, though facts can be open to interpretation. Basically, nomadic humans before agriculture had a …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:51 AM
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We don't have evidence of misogyny in paleolithic times. And much of our understanding of ancient family dynamics has been tainted with modern assumptions. For example, there are a couple different cultures to this day that don't understand that a baby is the offspring of a single mother and a single father. They think the baby is made over time through multiple sperm contributions. Also many cultures raise children collectively. The child might get taught to fish by one man, taught to make fire…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 11:27 PM
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For one, the concept of the Patriarchy is fairly recent. I'm not an in-depth scholar or anything, but the Western attitudes and systems that are labelled as Patriarchal mostly tie back to a culture based in Christianity (and the other Abrahamic religions). So for one, it's basically too soon for evolution to have taken effect. But secondly, no one has made the claim that misogyny isn't biologically adaptive for men. Misogyny is pretty useful in the economic system we've created, where we aren't …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 10:29 PM
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That's true, I was oversimplifying, but the point still remains that there's no reason for misogyny to have been bred out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 08:22 PM
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A trait won't be removed unless it's preventing reproduction (either through shortened lifespans, ill health, inability to find a mate, etc.) There's nothing about misogyny, whether you see it as "good," "bad," or "non-existent" that would result in non-viable offspring, and therefore there's no selection pressure against misogynists as long as they find mates, which they do. There is no reason for misogyny to play a role in natural selection/evolution on a global scale given the complexity of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 10:29 PM
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I have seen two 60+ year old ladies around here in fitness-related subs. They're pretty sassy. I'm sure they rock the grey hair.
/r/MensRights17/07/15 12:26 AM
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Lots of good points here, but I don't understand the hair one. The mainstream has always given boys shit about anything alternative. And currently, with trends like the undershave and the oh-so-popular-Manbun, it seems to me like hair is at its most flexible. I'm a woman, so feel free to let me know if you have had a different experience, but it seems like male fashion flexibility has more to do with the subculture of someone's region (north vs south, city vs suburb vs country) than time period.
/r/MensRights05/07/15 07:27 AM
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Once you control for most of those factors, there's still a 9% gap (article contains link to scholarly article). Thoughts?
/r/MensRights15/06/15 04:36 PM
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