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I haven't responded to most of the replies to my comment, because I always forget that commenting in PPD results in breaking my "no touching the poop" rule and end up having conversations that go nowhere, which just makes me grumpy. Yours, however, raises some really valid points. Feminism is about equality, regardless of gender. I would be as on board with fighting for a man's right to have access to a traditionally female gendered activity as I would for the opposite. The other poster is corre…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 09:38 PM
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"This country"? Which country? And, while legal rights may exist in some countries, this doesn't mean that people aren't subject to discrimination. We know that changing the law does not mean people's attitudes change. What I want is a society that treats people equally regardless of the circumstances of their birth - that doesn't exist in my country at the moment, and I doubt it does in yours either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 02:14 PM
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Could you give an example of a time feminism has been harmful? Feminism is the desire for equality between people, regardless of gender, class, social/economic status, ethnicity etc. While I appreciate that there are a few "Tumblr feminist" making silly remarks, like "kill all men", these are not actually congruent with the generally accepted notion of feminism as a movement of equality. (Yes, I know - no true Scotsmen etc, but the stance is clearly in opposition to feminist principles, so I bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 09:11 AM
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I may well regret asking this, but is child rearing really an area where affirmative action is a good idea, in your opinion? I don't have children, but I'm damned if I would hand majority custody to someone who lacked "traditional qualifications" for the job, especially when an alternative who possesses the necessaries is available. That's acting in the best interests of the child, which is surely the aim of custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 11:14 PM
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I believe that good is not the enemy of perfect - just because a perfect world is not possible doesn't mean we shouldn't work towards making it as close as possible. In all honesty, the 'backlash' passed me by - I can only assume it resulted from a product that puts yet more emphasis on the victim's role in rape-prevention? I don't subscribe to that world view, because I recognise that issues such as mental ill health can lead to rape, even in a perfect society. Even so, I believe men and women …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 06:50 PM
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The problem is that, short of hiring a full time, utterly trustworthy, bodyguard, or never leaving my house again, I cannot guarantee that I won't be raped. I can take steps to reduce my personal risk, but society also owes me an obligation, through the social contract, to protect me. I hold up my responsibilities, by being a law abiding person, paying my taxes, and being a positive influence on others; in return, I am entitled to live in a society that protects and values people like me and uph…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 12:28 PM
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A large number of women do this (including me), or take other precautions. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be working to make the world a better place, where rape doesn't happen, as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 01:06 AM
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I'm glad you took the time to re-read it :) So much is lost in on-line communication. I think it's an interesting idea, and I agree that the with-drawl of affection (not sex!) could be seen as abuse in certain circumstances. I'd love to discuss it further, but I'm deep in Christmas dinner making mode. If I have time, I'll reply later. Either way, I hope your mood improves and you have a wonderful day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 11:15 AM
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"Have the money maker deprive their partner of their money." You offered a definition about where the money was coming from and what was being done with it - inaccurately, given that financial abuse often involves taking money from someone, not just limiting their access too it, and neglected the ideas around exertion of control through financial pressure. Your comment didn't touch the scope of financial abuse, so I thought I'd help, by clarifying. Merry Christmas.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 10:48 AM
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It doesn't form any part of a legal contract, at least where I live. Plus, if you deprive someone of access to money, how are they going to pay for a lawyer to enforce the contract? (By the way, please remember that men can be the victims of domestic abuse too!)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 10:26 AM
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That's not what financial abuse is - it's not refusing to give you money they earned. It's exerting control through financial mechanisms. I suggest you have a little read of this, then see if you feel the same way: http://m.loveisrespect.org/is-this-abuse/types-of-abuse/what-is-financial-abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 10:23 AM
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It is certainly the case in countries without a decent social security net, as you said. However, I think you underestimate the level to which it can be used in developed countries. Firstly, financial abuse typically exists alongside a range of other abusive behaviours, including isolating the victim from a support network (family/friends). This means he/she needs money to leave the abusive situation - for transport, shelter and food. Secondly, in my country, to acquire a divorce costs money - f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 10:18 AM
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Where I think you're going wrong is the idea of "basic needs" being met. One must have access to money to pay for food, shelter etc. By controlling access to money, you can create a situation that leaves your partner totally dependent on you, for their survival. On the other hand, sex is not a "basic need." It's a "nice to have." No one has ever died from lack of sex, while anyone deprived of food and shelter (the basic needs money allows to be met) will die, if deprived for a sufficient length …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 08:41 AM
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I made some clear points about the disadvantages of being an attractive woman, which the other poster responded to in a rather puerile way, claiming that he wanted to be objectified, then threw a tantrum when I stated that I don't have conversations with people who think of me as vile. I don't engage in discussions with people like this, because my time is worth more to me; it's the same reason I don't sit around slamming my head in to my desk. I made a point about male on female violence; he ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 09:31 AM
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Oh, absolutely - which is part of the reason I didn't want to have a conversation with him. And you're not hideous - your personality is definitively more attractive that his :-)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 08:05 AM
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Oh dear. You appear to have serious issues with women. I'm going to assume you haven't had any particularly close relationships with attractive women, if that's your opinion of them. Your comments suggest that you view women as passive creatures, without ambition or desires of their own. In my experience, people who hold such views are unlikely to be swayed from them by a conversation on the Internet. As a result, I'm not going to enter into a conversation with you. (Top top for self-improvement…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 10:01 PM
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I completely understand where you're coming from, and agree with your ideas about backlash, but actually I think we do acknowledge the advantages conferred on attractive women ( - although I hadn't heard of the study you mentioned, which was interesting). Much of feminism is about leveling the playing field - not just between men and women, but between different women. This is the reason feminists campaign against objectification - it creates an unfair situation for the viewer (who feels inadequ…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 09:43 PM
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I think the issue here might be the assumption that attractive women are lazy, vain and generally a touch vile, below the skin. Being attractive, as a woman, makes society view all your other attributes as less relevant (For example, "You need not work" - imagine that I'm excellent at my job; society will experience a net loss if I decide that it's not worth the trouble of working). That's not a good thing, because it reduces women's status to that of an object, which is clearly unfair. The majo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 09:10 PM
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Other downsides include, but are not limited to: people assuming you are stupid, which you must work twice as hard as other people to over-come; unwanted attention, which can border on, or cross in to harassment; other people's assumptions that you have an easy life because you are pretty; intrusive, personal comments about your appearance; loneliness, because being attractive creates envy in others; working to overcome the negative stereotype of vanity, just because you like to look nice. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 08:27 PM
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Thank you - I try to be open minded, and to approach issues assuming that people who disagree with me have a rational standpoint. I also agree that there might be some semantic issues in our dialogue, but I do have fundamental issues with some Red Pill practices. To clarify my standpoint, before meeting the delightful Mr Peach, I was in an abusive relationship with a man-child who exemplified all the worst faces of the red pill. I was 17 and living in a different country from my family. He used …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 08:56 PM
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Replying on my phone, so apologies if I miss any of your points - I will do my best to reply in full, if backwards. "Managing men" - persuading them to quickly back off without causing a scene. I'm in a nine year monogamous relationship so, and even if I wasn't, I would not be interested in the dweeb who needs to neg me because he has nothing interesting to say. You are correct that youth does not equal vulnerability, but insecurity and inexperience do, which were my primary reference points. My…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 07:10 PM
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But working on becoming a better/more interesting person isn't what "blue pill" has a problem with. No one faults me for going to the gym to make sure I look good for my bloke, just as no one faults him for taking an interest in my hobbies. The problem is that red pill hinges on manipulation, with things like dread game being normalised, and refers to women as children. That isn't the route to an equal relationship, which most people would view as desirable. It also means your target audience is…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 06:24 PM
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I think the larger problem is the lack of (properly designed) research that would support the claim "rattlesnakes bite people." When we're discussing a simple true/false statement like that, most people won't dispute a reasonable anecdote, or poorly designed sample. When you attempt to generalise something as complex as human behaviour, you really need a well-designed and rigorous piece of research, and even this will be open to criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/14 09:28 AM
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Or there's a secret reset button just behind the left ear on some models. :-P
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 05:45 PM
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The kind of idiot who hits on me, apparently. They would have to be pretty stupid though. I'm in a committed relationship, and very open about that fact - no mixed messages here...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 09:45 AM
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Not really - your personal prejudices aside, in my country, regardless of discipline, each qualification is considered equivalent to all others of the same level. For example, a Maths degree is bugger all use if your career is in mental health care ( - not my field). However, my post-grad work is in education research. My particular focus is on enabling achievement in children (especially boys) from low income families. Enough statistical analysis to fulfil even the wildest dreams of any STEMlor…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 09:42 AM
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Disclaimer: feeeemale speaking. I've been on the receiving end of the oodles of flowers and crap, and of negging/dread game. Flowers guarantee nothing, while RP techniques guarantee that I won't be having anything to do with you. Treat me like a normal, sentient being, with free will and the ability to make up my own mind about whether I'm interested in you or not, based on my own desires. You're free to do the same and I will extend you the same courtesy. If our decisions are compatible, we mig…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 05:09 AM
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That's certainly a component. For example, I hold post graduate qualifications, so can be assumed to be reasonably intelligent; I'm also not a hideous hag, and if you meet me while I'm in a club with my girlfriends I will almost certainly appear to be as shallow as a puddle, and about as interesting. I'm there to have fun and blow off steam with my friends. I'm in a committed relationship, so I'm not on the pull, and I have no desire to make new friends with some sleezey bar hopper - I won't mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 09:32 PM
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I'm not interested in pursuing this conversation any further, but I will leave you with two parting thoughts: Physically, you might be stronger than me - this does not make you my superior. If anything, the fact that this is your first recourse supports my concerns about the dangers of traditional masculinity. If you have any confusion over the TRP perspective on rape or aggressively consensual sex, check out TBP - there are daily examples. You could also ask the man who thought the fact that I …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 06:21 PM
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I completely support your right to be you, by not at the cost of 52% of the population. It's not your expression of gender identity that's at fault, but the prescriptivist nature of a belief in evolutionary roles. I'm also extremely wary of the aggressive sexual behaviour I see supported by some red pillers as being part of that masculine paradigm; my sister is a rape survivor and I was seriously injured during a sexual assault perpetrated by someone who held these kind of views. I am not sugges…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 05:26 PM
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Well, I have made the assumption, since you're debating from an RP perspective that you espouse the view of their majority, which most definitely censures women who adopt aspects of the male gender binary. If you do not, I apologise. However, as you identified, society (in the form of your female friends) does censure non-traditional gender paradigms. Your perspective does suggest that it is acceptable for the ideological apparatus of culture to reinforce those roles. (I also realise that we are…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 10:40 AM
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I think the issue here is that you view gender binaries as expressions of genetics, and as firmly delineated, and predestined. My own view is that they are memetic (a meme in the technical sense, as in a replicating unit of culture, rather than may-mays), and that we express them on a continuum. I believe that our culture continues gender binaries through positive reinforcement (like the praise you observe/receive for overtly masculine behaviour), and that this forces people to express the memes…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 10:11 AM
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Counselling only works if you want to change - I spent years in counselling for ED and anxiety; it did nothing until I decided to actually use the help. If you're not in a place where you want to be healthy, it won't fix you. I think you're making a fundamental logical error here, I am afraid. Your ex sounds like a cow. That doesn't mean all/most women are cows; it means a few people (male or female) are shitty people. Personally speaking, on the hero matter, I'm not Scarlet O'Hara: I don't need…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/14 05:04 AM
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I agree that you shouldn't depend on another person for your happiness: it is your own responsibility. However, that's not what love is. It is having choice, and making the choice to be with a specific person, and that person alone because they bring you joy. It is wanting to do things for them to make them share your joy. I think we've just come to the nub of my problem with TRP though. I really don't know how to say this without seaming patronising, so I apologise in advance: you sound like a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 10:18 PM
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I'm a little bit confused. You've defined love as the capacity to sacrifice one's self, then said it's fundamentally unhealthy behaviour. Does this mean your philosophy doesn't allow for love? Or that it suggests only men are capable of it, and they shouldn't act on this ability? If so, for what reason? Personally, I make sacrifices because I gain more from my relationship than I give up. My partner feels the same: together we are more than the sum of our parts. I feel truly sorry for you if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 10:00 PM
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I understand what you're saying, and I'm not attempting to create an accident fallacy, but I'd suggest the majority of women make significant sacrifices in relationships. (In fact, the other week I had a conversation with a Red Pill chap who claimed that people - male or female - should not sacrifice for love, and criticised me for doing so.) I can't think of a single LTR that I know of where both parties have not made some sacrifices. In addition, while you're not making policy, you (as a sub) …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 09:36 PM
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Really? So never, in the history of humanity, has a woman sacrificed herself for a man? I'm a Literature teacher, not history, but there are literary accounts of women doing this dating back as far as the Old Testament era, and continuing to the present day (The Hunger Games). While I appreciate that the majority of these accounts are fictional, many are produced by and for women. Why would we be so engaged with a theme if we were unable to relate to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 09:14 PM
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I'd agree that you're not the greatest communicator, since I've said twice that I'm not attempting to justify the strike, and you're still trying to suggest that my contextualisation was an attempt at justification. I understand your point - it just wasn't relevant to my original post. Furthermore, you are selecting highly emotive topics, asking me to draw a comparison, then are surprised when you receive an emotive response. Either you don't fully understand how people communicate, or you're at…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/14 06:54 PM
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Again - you're asking the wrong person to justify it. It is not my place to speak for these women: I do not, and cannot know their situation or motivation. Again though, a removal of consensual sex is not comparable with FGM, really, is it? You are not seriously suggesting that being unable to have sex temporarily, because no one with consent to sleep with you, is the equivalent of having most of your external sex organs removed without anesthesia, resulting (in the worst cases) in permanent pai…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/14 05:41 PM
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Are you seriously attempting to claim an analogical relationship between the withdrawal of consensual sex (which causes damage to no one), with the committing of acts of violence (which by their nature cause harm)? It's an extremely poor comparison. However, I suspect you mis-read my comment: I didn't justify the strikes; I contextualised them. Personally, I would take different actions, but that is likely the result of a liberal European upbringing that has made me more aware of my own agency a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/14 04:24 PM
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Well - given that it is a traditional form of protest, I'd suggest that it dates back to a period in history where this was one of the few forms of power women had. The traditional (and largely inaccurate) view of sex is that men have a greater drive towards it than women. Therefore, the threat of the strike alone could be effective. Given that these women care enough about the issue to do this, they're obviously willing to make the sacrifice if the threat proves ineffective. I don't think you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/14 04:57 PM
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Interesting as it is to see things from the other side of the fence, I cannot comprehend how you have anything resembling a satisfying relationship with this outlook. I'm not trying to be patronising, but from my perspective love involves a certain degree of sacrifice and compromise. You have said you're not willing to do that, because you'd be happy to fuck five different girls a week. That suggests you're not getting anything additional to sex from your relationship. Reasoning therefore takes …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 06:35 PM
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If I understand you correctly, your definition of pressure and mine don't match up. What you describe is you leveraging the power of her emotional attachment to you, against your threat to leave her, over sex. That's an exertion of pressure. While sex is an important part of most relationships, I don't understand how someone who would be willing to abandon the partner they are supposed to love over a temporary situation that is probably the result of an underlying emotional problem. That's not l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 06:07 PM
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By support I meant "not pressure me in to sex" - I was just being tactful. I would also include oral and anal as part of "sex" - I'm not sure why you differentiate here. And it's a two way street; I have a high sex drive, but my (male) partner went through a period of depression, where he lost almost all interest in sex ( - he has a very stressful job, which was getting even more stressful, and had just lost a close relative). I supported him in the same way I'd expect him to support me: by show…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 05:39 PM
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Really? What if she's having a stressful time at work, or is feeling sick, or is worried about a friend or family member? Depression and stress can seriously affect one's sex drive, male or female. Personally, I would not want to date someone who I could not rely on to support me in a situation like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 05:11 PM
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