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I introduce you to one of the fatal flaws of this sub - people not realizing their social life is a bubble and that they run with a particular crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:23 AM
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Hey look it's one of the guys we're talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:53 PM
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Do you have any idea how many average-to-homely-looking dudes I know that have stable relationships with kids? Let's just call this like it is - some men are mad that they aren't drop-dead-hot enough to spin plates with a C-level effort, in which case they can buy a one-way ticket to Copenseethin.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:08 PM
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But 20% of men get 80% of all dating and sex, so a man may as well live in a majority woman area but still not be desirable if compared with another man that looks better, and women share the guy with no issues, or look away if he "cheats". First of all, that's not a real figure. Secondly, if it was, that would be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Men who make themselves miserable are not going to escape the responsibility to fix it. ​ Yeah, that kinda of explain it, but I'm sure feminist propaganda h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:49 PM
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When reality isn't affirming, call it a cliche
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:44 PM
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The only scenarios in which they're almost guaranteed to get rejected are: A fantasy scenario where the Earth is 10% women and 90% men They aim way the fuck out of their league and/or are putting in zero effort They have a glaring personality flaw or they're just shit people The reality is that this group is mostly just a bunch of average dudes who have allowed their own brains to cockblock them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:37 PM
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vIcTiM
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:30 PM
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I agree with #1 and #2. The majority of men who complain about their lack of relationship success are either entirely maladjusted or committed to their own misery (if there's a difference between those things). There is absolutely a form of twisted comfort in having control over your own situation, even if that means it never gets better. The rest of men don't let their own sour attitude get in the way of improving their circumstances and/or don't have fundamentally shitty beliefs about the oppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:20 PM
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Is it? Is it the biggest problem we have today? Is it really?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 02:30 AM
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Wtf is "deviant behavior", enjoying sex on their own terms?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 02:29 AM
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I know you know that's not what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 07:12 AM
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MGTOW is in the next aisle over, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:54 AM
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Can't help but notice that nobody gets on dudes for "hopping in the sack with crazy bitches". That's never their moral failing or bad judgment, only the women. Funny how that works, women are supposed to be these Mensa-tier psychoanalysts but dudes can take their low-IQ asses from bed to bed, leave an absolute mess in their wake, and it's all gravy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:32 PM
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This OP is fucking asinine and doesn't deserve responses. This is a judgment that I, personally, have made and everybody else should adhere to it, by law even.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:26 PM
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Man what lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 08:47 PM
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You're gonna have to define femininity then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:49 PM
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Why do you think men like femininity lmao Yeah there are evolutionary cues, but it's primarily because they like someone servile who doesn't question them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:47 PM
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I really don't have an opinion on the OP but it's telling to see the entirely-beside-the-point comment section still holding fast to the official "women can't do anything right" playbook.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:38 PM
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I'm pretty sure trad weirdos don't want women being independent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:29 PM
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HEHE
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:28 PM
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Confidence is being self-assured that you can accomplish what you want. It only becomes adversarial/competitive in situations that are inherently that way, e.g. sports. If you think dating is competitive, well that's certainly one way to look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 02:25 PM
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Equality doesn't mean "everyone does exactly the same thing".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 02:23 PM
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If you start with the premise that most people are just fundamentally not interesting on a head-turning level, then there's nothing out of order here. On a rare occasion, someone has a very vibrant personality that other people want to be around, but the vast majority of people do not have that quality in their arsenal. So yes, it can happen, but most people don't have that gift. There is also such a thing as personal chemistry, mind you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 05:05 PM
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It's because some people look at marriage as a business arrangement where the feelings don't matter. Romantic, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:44 PM
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Well I tend to believe that conservatives are assholes And here you are confirming it So
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:48 PM
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Not to mention the studies that show that liberals have zero idea what conservatives believe Pretty sure conservatives believe what they tell us they believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:08 PM
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Women - all women - hate men who act like brash, unapproachable dicks, too. Does it help conversation in any way for me to provide an exaggerated description of what that looks like?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 12:57 PM
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I like how so many people in this sub subscribe to the idea that relationships are just contracts and nothing more, and they speak within that framework like everyone else already agrees with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 01:42 AM
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Lol sure. Are people able to separate the message from the man? When most of the messengers don't actually live the message, that's a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 11:23 PM
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And seldom do men post women in conjunction with their real name and identifiable information, and then proceed to defame them in ways that can harm their personal life and livelihoods. Revenge porn much?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 04:01 PM
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I notice you're not providing an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:57 PM
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So it IS because "women are shit", then.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:40 PM
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I didn't bring it up, it's not my responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:21 PM
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Is the answer "women are shit"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 10:18 AM
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I wish there was some acknowledgement that these statistics are pointing to something real. That's fine, but this thread wasn't started with an exploratory premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 08:48 PM
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If incel is defined as "someone who has trouble getting laid", I'm sure that's fairly evenly distributed across demographics. If incel is defined as "someone who participates in a weird internet power structure dedicated to this identity and actively pushes defamatory, accusatory gender warfare propaganda", well buddy I'm gonna call a spade a spade.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:58 PM
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First of all, this is a CMV, not a debate. OP appears to be dead-set on his view that women ruin everything. Secondly, what is the point of a debate if it results in a useless conclusion that improves nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:05 PM
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lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:26 PM
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Let's just cut through all the nonsense hypotheticals for a sec. What I'm more curious about is what you hope to achieve by calling women shit lol Is this going to fix anything that you're talking about? Because it sounds like you're keen on resting on a problematic conclusion. Are you still going to date women but use this to justify the occasional backhand? Like what's going on here
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:19 PM
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Uhh, I feel like the issue here is basic sexual compatibility, not if the dude is hypergamous
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:52 PM
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Reducing men and women to a specific set of characteristics is part of the problem of this entire thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:35 PM
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What is the point of this post lol Because it's either one of two things, 1) that men should be able to beat the shit out of women, or 2) that men should be able to freely insult each other and abide by restraint.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 11:07 PM
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The idea that withholding sex is 99% a female phenomenon makes me think a lot of posters in this sub have no life experience whatsoever. Also, decreased libido =/= failed marriage, also stress happens, also a lot of people suck at picking compatible partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:17 PM
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There is so much to unpack here. This topic is almost useless to discuss because to talk about it necessitates envisioning a one-size-fits-all encounter that either is or is not "creepy". Every time a dude talks to a girl it's a unique experience because people are unique. Women don't feel uncomfortable around ugly guys, they feel uncomfortable giving rejection in general due to the fear of retaliation. Ugly guys get rejected more. "Women frame a failed approach as a moral failing." Alright well…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 07:47 PM
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Using words like "everyone" or "never" is usually a pretty good indication that a take is an extreme one If we're dealing with anecdotes, which we are, the word "most" is equally as politically charged. Among my closest friends who are women, zero of the four would characterize the majority of men as "fuckable," and only one has engaged in "casual" sex without a relationship. Two of the four have previously been in intimate relationships with a small handful of guys who didn't meet "that ideal,"…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:51 AM
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There is a difference between "attractive" and "fuckable". Everyone has their blush-worthy idealistic lay in their own head. Everyone fucks people that don't meet that ideal, without regret. I have never, not one time, encountered a woman in the real world that said the majority of men aren't fuckable. The only place I have ever heard that is here, because everyone here is fucked in the head lol Why would anyone prioritize "social credibility" over an enjoyable, fulfilling relationship? Why does…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:16 AM
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but how does less shame make women suddenly become attracted to men that are currently unattractive Dude come on lol Practice some introspection. Do you ONLY sleep with your tippy-top idealized woman? Or have you slept with some average-looking chicks and been perfectly satisfied for it? The idea that women are only willing to sleep with prime Brad Pitt is a dumbass myth. What IS true is that women are expected to be selective and therefore, since they're solicited constantly, they get to pick t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:49 PM
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I'm pretty sure I already did that in the OP lol But if you're asking how to make an absolutely insufferable asshole attractive to women, that's not in the purview of this conversation. The goal is to make sure those types of men are never created to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:37 PM
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"Undesirable" has no meaning here so I can't really do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:29 PM
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Surprisingly, my view remains unchanged
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:28 PM
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I never said that the majority of men would smack a bitch up for talking out of turn. I'm saying the needle dividing those demographics within men hasn't actually shifted that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:13 PM
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Approximately, as a collective? Yeah I'd say so. What's changed is womens' ability to be heard and advocate for themselves as well as the breadth of consequences for doing something untoward, ergo what men used to say out loud they now mumble under their breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:03 PM
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Because it's 2022 and the world is garbage and people are glued to their screens
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:57 PM
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🍻
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:42 PM
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People settle I think you discount the possibility that there are some people who, on some level, have contempt for their partner
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:35 PM
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It's women that are running the n-count scoreboard now, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:28 PM
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Women just aren’t attracted to many men Myth and utter tripe Women, especially but not limited to fairly attractive women, are drowning in dick all day because society says they have to gatekeep their pussy. They're selective because they're going to lose social credibility if they get down with whoever. Average-looking dudes get poon without issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:28 PM
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It's never been less shameful/more acceptable for women to have casual sex than it is now I believe that women have more vocally lobbied for this power. I do not believe that men as a demographic have had their views meaningfully changed about this subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:15 PM
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I mean some do work, so they can work lol The problem with posing this question on this particular sub is that many people here have a transactional view of relationships instead of, you know, being legitimately into their partner. A LDR would never work in that sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:36 PM
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That's why many women find most men unattractive in modern society Keep convincing yourself of this and you'll work backward to support any bonkers theory that you come up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:52 AM
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I have never heard a woman say that they're picky because they "can't help who they're attracted to" lol They're picky because they can afford to be, because men drown them in dick while they're conditioned to gatekeep their pussy because god forbid they have fun out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:41 AM
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I become uninterested in her if she's uninteresting lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:36 AM
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I have some bad news about what your sexual partners think of you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:34 AM
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Reeeeaaaally don't care man
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 06:33 PM
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Talk to a girl sometime, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 06:20 PM
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Redpillers are all autistic dweebs
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 06:16 PM
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No woman literally anywhere has ever clowned a guy for wanting to have sex lol How do you guys willfully misunderstand this shit so hard
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 05:30 PM
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Classic PPD thread with all the typical undertones lol "All of womens' problems with men are womens' fault", "women are biologically defective", "women are all calculating sociopaths", etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 01:38 PM
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Thank you for explaining, in three lines, why it's not effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 01:05 PM
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He gets a few hookups, a few flings Ah yes, the lavish, extravagant extent to which the redpill philosophy might help you. If all the dude cares about is getting laid, he can enjoy never having a personal connection to whatever's on his dick at the moment lol If not, then all I can say is if someone is unhappy with their life and you gesture broadly to their entire behavioral system and they still can't put a couple dots together, they are no longer your responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 09:11 PM
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If we're having a discussion on how to end racism and one person says "well I'm racist and you can't change my mind", how is that valuable?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 07:38 PM
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Because dating apps put a microscope on the extreme end of the dating experience for both men and women and then people try to convince you that that's how it is in the real world all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 05:01 PM
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The literal purpose of money would be to unduly influence that choice in my opinion. Uh are you criticizing the concept of a job right now Because I agree but I didn't realize we were going to get quite that leftist about it Then what to do about a man who bribes a financially poor woman into degrading sex acts she doesn't want? Shall she be kept utterly without recourse? Man what lol Talk to me when this woman has to file a 1099, because until then this isn't sex work, is something that happens…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 10:26 PM
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Well first of all, since I'm a dude and straight, the market is not exactly in my favor. Secondly, if I was a chick and prostitution was legal, I could actually make a choice free of coercion on that matter and know that I was not going to be working in a back alley for a pimp who slapped me upside the head every time I didn't make a quota. I'd also have access to normal working benefits and legal protections. That's the magic of regulation. Thirdly, any woman who would be in a position to make …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 10:02 PM
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/r/woosh Maybe I was preemptively not giving a shit about whatever dumb thing you were implying. Hold on let me check Bro you wouldn't want us to continue the metaphor because then you might realize that access in the US to women's legally sanctioned "cheap labor" is exactly like the stereotyoical dystopia that most people think of as China. Except it would be women's sex here, which I think Is a worse thing to coerce than manual labor. At least women in China know that sex can still be a purely…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 09:48 PM
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Uh no, hence what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 09:33 PM
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Is this GayLubeOil's alter ego or something
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 09:16 PM
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Yes but if it's run how it should be, that price will never get conveniently low. These people are going to need health care resources on an order of magnitude higher than most people (prophylactic mostly, I'm guessing) and I'm sure their insurance situation would be a tricky one. Plus it'd be nice if they unionized. :B
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 09:05 PM
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Unfortunately, a properly run and regulated prostitution service is a pricey one. Think American labor vs. Chinese labor (don't read into that comparison you dweebs) - you want a quality gadget that's made by workers who make a decent living, you're gonna pay out the ass for it. And I don't know about everybody else, but sex isn't Disneyland that you save up for and get to enjoy maybe twice a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 08:15 PM
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Boy this sub really has really hit a wall of its own
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 07:55 PM
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What Conservative Treehouse blog post told you that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 07:44 PM
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Says the guy trying to politicize that which has no political bend
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 07:19 PM
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I'm willing to bet that the evidence shows 80% of people are boring as fuck or otherwise just very pedestrian in the grand scheme of things and it takes other characteristics to make them initially appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 07:13 PM
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Ghosting is the solution of women deciding, because of past shitty experiences, that it's easier to risk offending a good man than dealing with a bad one. If you don't like ghosting, blame the malignant motherfuckers out there who made it a simple decision for some gals.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 01:52 PM
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I have full lips and yes I do prefer to date men that have some fullness to their lips or kissing is a turn off. I feel complimented~
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 11:23 PM
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That conforming standard would never have occurred if leggings were a bitch to wear
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 10:33 PM
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That doesn't mean no other clothes out there are comfortable lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 10:16 PM
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I'm pretty sure most girls find those leggings comfortable, otherwise they wouldn't wear them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 09:53 PM
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I'm seeing a lot of answers here but none that hit on what the actual reason probably is: conformity That's just how girls dress in the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:55 PM
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Depends entirely on what "I want to be the best sex my partner ever had" means. Does it mean "I'm actively communicating with my partner and improving based on her desires"? Or does it mean "I want my C-level effort to rock her world and if it doesn't she's a whore"? Because the latter is actually a great representation of everything that's wrong with redpill logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:43 PM
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Weird, I thought my attraction was based on redheads and having a strong yet approachable demeanor.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:26 PM
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Then why do women always blame us for it? Uh they don't? Eating disorders are akin to depression, it's a mental illness that's nobody's fault. The proof is in the fact that those suffering from anorexia or bulimia never actually attain the body that they want, even when they're 90 pounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 03:42 AM
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if a woman said that she doesn't like black men because most african american men are lazy , violent , loud and adulterous people. everyone would respect her preferences No, they wouldn't, person who lives in a weird self-constructed bubble
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:32 AM
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lol @ thinking the biggest concern about incels is mass shootings More like the increased propagation of spiteful, dumbass rhetoric about women, creating an ever-widening event horizon for young man to fall into and never crawl back out of, thus effectively hurting men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:48 PM
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A guy brings up a topic about not wanting to date a particular race of woman and the comments are flooded with backlash from women before it gets shutdown. lol ok Why do I get the feeling this was less "I'm just not attracted to black women" and more "I'm not attracted to black women because they're all lazy, loud, violent, adulterous trash"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:36 PM
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Don't have to call you anything when you tell on yourself so hard
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:16 PM
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The online dating discrepancy is an emergent property of idiot male-female dating dynamics that are harmful to both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 12:41 AM
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lol what happened to this sub Jesus Christ
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 12:30 AM
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They're not in low supply lol That's the entire point of the meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 12:28 AM
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Maybe women grow up fearing men who grew up being taught that sex is an emotionless, transactional, flippantly given thing Maybe trauma from sex doesn't always manifest as fear and withdrawal
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 12:23 AM
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If you think hot chicks don't have dudes pestering them constantly, all I can say is actually talk to some women. Which is the hilarious irony of this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 11:40 PM
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I just told you to work on yourself and you justify your lethargic existence by saying, "this doesn't work for me because I'm a depressed introvert hermit". Can I direct you to /r/SelfAwareWolves For that matter, wtf are you talking about this shit for when you have a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 12:23 AM
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Waging war and murder for entertainment are positive models of masculinity. Got it. Right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 12:19 AM
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Look man, I'm gonna ask you something and it's gonna feel like more shaming but it's a necessary question to ask before this discussion can possibly move forward. You and other men tell tales of constant...constant rejection. What is "constant"? That word is the fulcrum by which all of this shit either sits legit or tips over into into a steaming heap. I'm gonna be real with you, I have never been rejected in initiating a sexual relationship with a girl. Why? Because all of those sexual relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:12 PM
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It seriously baffles me how so many people on this sub rush to pass judgment on either half or the entire species of humanity due to their own experiences instead of pausing, putting a finger to their chin, and thinking to themselves, "maybe I have a gravitation toward unhealthy relationships that I need to redirect toward a more productive demographic". Then, perhaps, they'd exit this bubble of callous frivolity and discover that there are, in fact, well-adjusted people out there who don't sole…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 08:41 PM
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You know, I had a whole thing typed, but this just comes down to - like a metric fuckton of other things in life - people having no actual idea what they want or what they're even talking about. Sentiments like "I don't think women should be leaders or strong" and "I don't think men should be kind or positive" are indicative of a catastrophic moral and logical failing in...probably the demographic this sub bases its north/south viewpoints on, which is probably the majority. People are stupid, ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 08:28 PM
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Been seeing a lot of "lol we were talking about casual sex the whole time not LTIRs, you pleb" comments from the reds on this sub over the past year. Very curious backpedal. Actually not that curious. On the topic, this is the way it's always been; when I hear someone like Jordan Peterson speak of the "crippling difficulty for young men in the sexual marketplace" I feel second-hand embarrasent that someone of such a supposed academic pedigree would peddle such a pinheadedly nihilistic and outrig…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:14 AM
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I recommend paying attention to what one is criticizing, are they criticizing women's actions/choices, or just their unchosen characteristics? Well that's their magic sauce, they conflate those two concepts, thereby criticizing the entire fabric of every individual woman and women as a group. So. I can say the same about you. No you couldn't, because I didn't say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 09:54 PM
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hey watch this girl get mad when i suggest she's a brainless harpie HAHA WOW CAN U BELIEVE SHE GOT PISSED AT BEING INSULTED
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 09:21 PM
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What is with people here? Awalt says women behave in some predictable and greedy ways. Just that. They are not twisting mustached villains, just that they behave in the same way as the other 50% of the population with a little instinctual difference here and there. You can just accept for who and what they are and go on with life. Here we have a perfect example of the stark contrast between what it says on the pamphlet and what the club members actually do/think. But then not even, really. Plent…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 09:14 PM
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I mean, I agree, but I'm talking about "people".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 07:17 PM
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Not in my experience. My family is filled with good-looking men, and they've had opportunities to be unfaithful with much more attractive women than their wives. Who the hell said anything about cheating Women have more chances to sleep with attractive man than vice versa. What an attractive men do for any pussy, is the equivalent of what women do for Chad dick only. I wasn't talking about scarcity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 07:16 PM
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Every man AND every woman will drop everything to fuck a 9/10. How has this ever been construed as a primarily gendered phenomenon
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 09:13 AM
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Bark.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 08:00 AM
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Take every argument that exists about either gender. Start with the premise that 2/3 of all people are either shitty or painfully vapid. Go from there. As far as this specific topic, men don't have to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 07:46 AM
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I'm sure there's a charitable yarn that can be spun up to excuse this contradiction that isn't "it was about hating women and women-like things in general all along", but I'm not terribly interested in creative writing today.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 06:57 AM
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The U.S. is ranked 12th in cost of living. Sweden is ranked 14th. Depending on your definition of poverty, Sweden compares with the poorest of U.S. states. Who said those countries you're speaking of were rich? They rate higher on a happiness index, sure, but that doesn't mean they're in any better condition to raise families.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/19 02:44 AM
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Why? I don't know. Maybe something happened in late 2008 or whatever. Because you didn't mention that, you mention wages. Because I figured it was implied that "wages" meant "buying power". And even with debt, it's becoming more efficient to service it as a part of a married unit, than separated. Marriage doesn't fix pedestrian incomes. Most people want to have a thriving family, not one that barely scoots through an ever-closing door. 70 percent of the American housing market is unaffordable to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 07:46 PM
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First of all, citing a positive financial report from 2008 is not very honest. Secondly, this article makes no attempt to reconcile incomes against debt, which is presently enormous, as well as lack of savings. That Americans specifically can still mostly manage to meet their monthly debt payments is...nice, I guess, but it has a huge impact on their buying power, and since the article fails to address it, I'm going to assume it's rolling the ability to go into debt into the rosy outlook.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 07:30 PM
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There is only one small age range in which women out earn their male counterparts on average hey wow i didnt know u had to "outperform your male counterparts" 2 make a single living and not require the economic services of a man to survive and one such similar range in which women aren't net drains on taxes on average Not to mention the women who are stay at home wives/moms So you don't actually have a problem with them being "tax drains", I take it. Nevermind the fact that the entire lower/midd…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 06:27 PM
1

Pretty sure people have roommates for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 06:00 PM
0

I tend to do that when people borrow as points of conversation the parts of TRP that assume women are androids with two lines of code that scan the environment for the highest social status ranking. Not everyone buys into the lock-step SMV rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 05:47 PM
1

I don't see how that matters when wages haven't kept up with inflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 05:46 PM
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I was throwing you a bone and entertaining your hypothesis out of humor. You have not and cannot show that young people are marrying and having kids later because of "standards" getting in the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 05:25 PM
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You can be wrong and right at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 05:05 PM
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Ya ever think that maybe the reason womens' standards are higher is because they're more economically self-sufficient, thus necessitating that a man do more than simply exist and have a paycheck, and not because they're hypergamous succubi?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 05:03 PM
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The disenfranchisement of the workforce happened because of the sexual revolution?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 04:39 PM
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Well that's a correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 04:34 PM
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That would make sense if marriage didn't make you richer, but it does. People should be getting married earlier by your logic. Combining two incomes just to make ends comfortably meet is not "getting richer".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 04:15 PM
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Or maybe all of those things are happening because of the disenfranchisement of the workforce in the developed world. People are getting married later and having kids later because they're fucking broke. Not because women decided they wanted to enjoy sex on their own terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 03:33 PM
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The irony is that men advertising or boasting about a high n-count are actually hurting their LTR prospects. The androcentric worldview has never been about healthy relationships. It's always been about the universe's biggest dick-measuring contest. In any case, most people view relationships as a pairing between two people who complete each other both emotionally and physically. If either of those two things are missing, what's the point of a relationship/exclusivity? At that point, you ought t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 09:46 PM
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It's just another thing in a pages-long laundry list of how women are purportedly ruining mens' lives. Remember, it's virtually impossible for a single dad to be a bad parent, from what I hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 09:13 PM
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Why are "doing/being good" and "having sex" being conflated here as if they occupy even remotely the same space of human consciousness, purpose, or motivation?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 12:23 AM
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What if these guys are just losers? TRP has this incredible flim-flam act when confronted with suspicion over whether or not it actually works; if you put pressure on them, they'll consistently claim that they are a group of guys who legitimately need advice on how to improve themselves - they are exactly the guys that you describe - yet when it's time to peruse the hall of redpill alumni, it's curiously barren. That's because it's precisely as you've said, TRP isn't something that you're meant …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 08:17 AM
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You ever notice how in discussions involving women being fairer than men, the counter narrative is always "both genders have their bad sides!" But in threads asserting the opposite, it's always "pfft well obviously lol [insert anecdote]".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 07:19 PM
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The idea that less attractive men would get more ass if they stopped caring seems delusional. Therein lies the irony, because what does TRP tell men to do in order to attract female attention? Pretend to not care. They could just skip the middle man and not actually care.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 08:37 PM
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The irony is that for all the complaining about Chad, Chad doesn't really give a shit about the ass he gets. And if the complainers stopped giving as much of a shit, they might actually see more action too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 06:56 PM
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Great, so we agree that it's an issue of being possessive to the degree of paranoia rather than oh, her poor skin. You know, just because she likes to fluff herself a bit to make herself feel nice. But hey, since everything is about you, it'd fit your line of logic that if your girl wears makeup to feel pretty, you're not there doing it for her already.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 04:37 PM
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What is my most pressing concern then? Makeup isn't a favor. It's doing every other guy who sees her a favor... ...Nobody wants an LTR with a porn actress except for clout. Do all terps have Alzheimer's or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 04:29 PM
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Yeah bud you can just go ahead and drop the pretense that the skin damage is your most pressing concern here. In any case, I best not catch you putting any kind of product in your hair. Or oil in your beard. Or using any kind of skin care regimen. Wouldn't want you to be "unnatural".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 04:20 PM
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But this got me thinking....isn't it only reasonable that people act in their own best interest? Isn't voicing and following one's own interest a fundamental bedrock of democracy (not to mention capitalism)? Depends. Tip the scale in favor of self-interest and you get anarcho-capitalism. Tip the scale backward in favor of cooperation/coexistence and, eventually, you get communism. The former works on power alone - there's no conceivable way that women would flourish in any capacity. Naturally, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 04:17 PM
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lol man what Do you go out of the house with a disheveled beard and your hair all fucked up to high hell just so you're not "doing all the women out there a favor"? What a thing to say. "I want my girl to feel ugly so I don't have to work on my jealous tendencies."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 04:06 PM
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You keep trying to talk about how bad men have had it, yet men are really the only ones who are getting to enjoy themselves in any capacity in whatever you're referencing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 02:19 AM
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And the irony is lost on you that it was men who decided to give the right to vote to women, as if basic democratic autonomy was theirs to give?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 02:08 AM
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I can't take credit for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 01:54 AM
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Bud, would you care to remind me how comparatively recent it was in history that women actually got the right to vote?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 01:53 AM
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Annnddd yooouuuu should. But, and this speaks right to what we're saying, shoving him down and getting saddled up doesn't necessarily mean you've assumed the dominant role! And really, I think that's the allure of the dynamic, both poetically as well as carnally. The powerful wont displayed by both parties doesn't corrupt the synergy of it, and those two intermingling forces survive intact through all kinds of sexual interplay. Now if one wants to get especially pragmatic and reduce it down to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 01:52 AM
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The most charitable definition here is probably also the most prevalent one. I am a firm believer in the masculine and feminine "auras" complementing each other in the bedroom, and to the latter I believe that the holder of something desired plays a role, which by definition does not imply total subservience. IMHOtep, sexual submission is more of an energy than it is a rigid set of behaviors. This is how uppity subs or even power bottoms exist, depending. You could describe submission in this co…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 12:02 AM
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Having never been in a LTIR (haven't found that lady), I'd imagine it would go in cycles and I wouldn't really be interested in adhering to a fairly rigid expectation. However, I'm gonna echo the common theme in here of 3-4 times a week at least. I want a partner that turns me the fuck on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 11:50 PM
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My point is that the vast majority of both men and women lived like serfs or commoners and really both had limited rights. And my point, which you continue to glaze over, is that even at the level of serfdom, women sat under the thumb of men and endured a compound lack of privilege or rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 11:47 PM
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So among the low percentage of males who owned property, an infinitesimally lower percentage of women even had a chance at it, and you're somehow claiming samesies?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 10:23 PM
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And how many women owned property?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 09:31 PM
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Yes the high ranking men were and always have been treated like kings. But the same goes for the high ranking women. Pretty sure the argument is that at any level of wealth/social status/etc. women were beneath men. Yes, queens have existed, but they've almost always been subservient to kings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 03:43 PM
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The idyllic scenario involving human companionship is to be a whole person on your own who is further enriched by the connections formed with others, not to depend on them in order to merely get by. It is absolutely unhealthy if, for example, you're the sort of person who cannot function when not in a relationship. That doesn't mean that those who aren't fully together don't deserve love or companionship, but it absolutely means that they are at a far greater risk of turning toxic due to insuffi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 03:25 PM
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"If people never got in cars, there'd be no accident deaths." What a revelation. Nevermind the fact that rape is not a matter of impulse control. It's a conscious choice to assert dominance and/or reduce a woman to an object to be used. It is not the default state of a man to be a rapist, and anyone who tries to assert that can get fucking bent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 03:16 PM
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I'm...glad we agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 12:54 AM
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I'm simply stating a fact that most women choose not to work in heavy industry. And yet you said it in response to a post implying that women are hypocritical, self-seeking, and conniving. This is the same tired redpill song and dance whenever this or any similar topic arises. You're not slick, you're transparent as shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 03:43 PM
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I'm not knocking women at all. [Women love gender roles that benefit them.] And how many women are getting in line to work in the oilfields or in underground mines... precious few, to be sure. Do all you redpillers go to the same ITT Tech school of manipulative arguing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 03:23 PM
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What makes you think no men want to do these jobs? I don't know, maybe the part where it's dirty, isolated, and death is a constant risk. Just a thought. Stop using "mining jobs" as a knock against women. It's absolutely pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 02:58 PM
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Ah, this shit again. 1) No man wants to do these jobs. 2) No woman wants to do these jobs and be completely alone at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 02:31 PM
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"Don't get married to someone who's not 'the one'." People really seem to skimp out on this detail. Unless your idea of marriage is complete servility to the heteronormative dynamic regardless of marriage quality, in which case, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 08:26 PM
1

That depends. Do I have insight into my other self in terms of my complexities, my redeeming qualities, my struggles, etc.? If I truly knew other me, yes I think I would. If not, I would be a hard nut to crack.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 08:09 PM
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So, women respond sexually to hot guys? That seems ... obvious Yeah I'm not seeing the revelation here. Everyone knows that sex is 80% psychological.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 07:53 PM
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I do think it's creepy and disgusting if a 60 year old dates an 18 year old, but that's only because a 60 year old looks old af and old people generally look ugly--not because of the great disparity between their maturity, experience or age. That's dumb as fuck, bruv.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 07:02 PM
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Even though it's been repeated time and time again, men still refuse to hear it - this is literally a supply & demand issue. The market is flooded with dick because that's what men think they're supposed to do, and the supply of poon is exceedingly scarce because women are taught that sex turns them impure and undesirable. That means that women get to hold out for the best selections by default, while men get to stand there with their dicks in their hands. One day women will be able to have sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 02:12 PM
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True - if you believe that all people everywhere are shallow, flash-in-the-pan personalities who are attracted to such death-drive behavior and you enjoy the idea of burning out by 35. Or, maybe there are interesting, decently attractive people out there who are actually that well-adjusted, and for whom you have to actually have healthy social skills and a sense of where to look in order to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 02:08 PM
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As always with posts like these, gonna need a source on: The idea that mens' intentions are generally altruistic/honest and womens' intentions are generally selfish/malicious. The idea that people view relationships as excruciatingly transactional as being described here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 07:48 PM
2

Mix it up! Say something nice to a blackpiller
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 08:02 PM
2

I've asked this question hundred thousand times on this sub - "why does a prolific sex life make a woman a bad partner, but make a man a good partner" - and have never, not once, received anything other than a mumbling, beside-the-point response. It's more than a empty thesis, it's a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 07:13 PM
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Living a more pointless-argument-free life! How about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 07:11 PM
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its ok bby, i think ur bootiful
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 07:06 PM
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My post was about finding the silver shimmer of a steaming turd pile and condensing TRP into a format that at least mimics someone who hasn't thrown themselves over the asshole event horizon. You are trying to change my idea of what TRP fundamentally is, which I'm not interested in. The closest it comes to is saying; here's a philosophy on the world. Use it to do stuff. If it works, it's good. If it doesn't, that's bad. I tried to emphasize, as clearly as I could, that the problems in the TRP ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 12:09 AM
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A used car salesman and an adulterer.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 08:28 PM
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"Men are wonderful"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 08:27 PM
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I'm perfectly willing to discuss what I posted, but that's not what you've chosen to talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 09:08 PM
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It has become clear that you are not actually interested in a discussion. You accuse the Red Pill of treating conversation like a video game boss, where at the end you win if the other person is feels awkward and bad... That might be because right now in this thread I'm having an argument...with people I don't like. Only difference is I'm judging people by not by the color of their skin geometry of their groin, but by the content of their character. As far as the rest of your post, 1) as I said …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 02:19 PM
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A problem with the argument is thinking that RP is a philosophy. There is no required goal or philosophy. If you think there is, then you might be one of the people who finished Fight Club pumped and went outside to tell your friend to punch you. Completely missing the point of being a faceless drone. It is missing half of the TRP ideas. Probably the most important part. The saying is "Eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap". This is what drives most of nature and forms much of what causes most of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 02:08 PM
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The internet - where people rebuke the unimportant parts of the post, and then don their Got'em Sunglasses™.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 02:06 PM
1

Well PUA isn't TRP, now is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 12:03 AM
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I have always described TRP as the "laissez-faire capitalism of the dating world".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 11:38 PM
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"Don't be socially inept" is not good advice. "Do X, Y, or Z, then this," is. I was paraphrasing. Heavily. It's what I call the Fuckboy Paradox. Women hate fuckboys, and yet fuckboys seem to be fucking a lot of women, so, if your main goal is to get laid, there's no real reason to not be a fuckboy and women's arguments seem trite. There's no misunderstanding going on here about what TRP is about or after, so I'm not sure why this needed to be clarified. If TRP only said "Learn social skills", no…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 07:15 PM
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I'm pretty sure a lack of empathy is part of the inborn suckage of the majority. Men do it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 04:56 PM
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That's the point I'm making. Most people try not to suck, even if they fail at it. Redpill fully endorses the suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 04:25 PM
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this is a suggestion that TRP should somehow ignore the fact that people everywhere suck, and refuse to use to their advantage the fact that people everywhere suck. It's a suggestion that TRP just own up to what they really are. I disagree. People should be well aware of how sucky everyone is. Only if you aspire to mingle and associate with with sucky people, which is the point of the OP. Then by all means, play the game of Suck. But even if you win, everything still sucks. Most people have been…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 02:35 PM
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The last part isn't male-centric.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 02:31 PM
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This isn't a CMV, the mods just tagged it as such. I have no desire to shift the paradigm of what TRP is in my mind. That said: Someone comes along saying they don't follow that bad stuff, just the good stuff. You cry out "That's obvious! That's not Red Pill!!111" As I mentioned to others, this kind of reduction of what sentiments actually run through the river of TRP is either bafflingly naive or in shockingly bad faith. You want to learn how to dress yourself? Go to a mens' fashion community. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 02:28 PM
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I don't even know what you're responding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 11:58 AM
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Not everyone who has casual sex subscribes to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 11:56 AM
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You just called the good/reasonable side of TRP "not actionable advice", so I don't know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 11:52 AM
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Depends if it takes the form of a pleasure center or a hole to fill inside of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 05:19 AM
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Er, well if you subscribe to this kind of thing, wouldn't LMS vs. seduction be like nature vs. nuture - i.e. both important and clearly present?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 04:48 AM
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That's the worst false dichotomy I've seen in months.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 04:42 AM
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Hey it's called "take care of yourself and don't be socially inept" but without the misogynistic baggage, try it sometime.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 04:39 AM
1

Did you get lost on your way to The_Donald?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 04:36 AM
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It is hedonism following nihilism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 04:32 AM
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Right, because TRP doesn't involve a pernicious underlying philosophy that makes major, sweeping generalizations about women that are often cherrypicked from subjects such as evolutionary psychology and are generally intended to marginalize, reduce, and pigeonhole the female species at large as being untrustworthy, lacking in empathy, and useless other than providing a warm hole and a baby factory...or anything like that. No, no TRP definitely never did anything of the sort. Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 04:30 AM
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It's the most charitable interpretation because what you just posited is bullshit and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 03:08 AM
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So once, twice, three times again ad infinitum... This is only true if you pair up with a woman who fits the description of what redpill dudes think women are to the absolute letter (and they exist, plentifully in fact [because people suck in general]). Now, you could make the argument that discussing a dead bedroom is likely a fruitless endeavor because the relationship itself is at this point unsalvageable. However...the simple and inescapable truth is that if you shacked up with a thoughtful,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 12:36 AM
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Holding a belief in #2 even after #1 has been thoroughly dismantled is exactly what TRP is about. To that end, one might as well ask, "how do you challenge the idea young-Earth creationism?" People ain't believing in this shit because they have a good reason to. They want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 11:55 PM
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Don't know, never been in love. I have an idyllic idea of what it might be, mostly centering around the prospect that my love would organically encourage me to be the best version of myself and would epitomize the type of personality that is sorely lacking in the world, an undamaged optimism/compassion and drive for self-actualization and exploration.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/18 05:32 PM
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Do you have any understanding that maybe some people in this subreddit don't jive with redpill? Even if we grant it truth, it's still enabling shitty behavior, which was the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 07:36 PM
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To what extent does it matter? Anyone with a set of eyes and ears (and a job, rule out half the internet where these discussions take place) will know how rampant workplace sexual harassment is. Authority creates contemptible behavior, always has. Men are victims of sexual harassment in the workplace as well, but it is overwhelmingly bent toward women because they are viewed as easy to hush and push around. What is it, then, do we completely axe a necessary phenomenon simply because a fractional…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 07:22 PM
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This is a touch confusing, since when women date they aren't selecting names out of a hat with a yearly salary written in underline. They meet a guy, they decide if they're attracted to them based on their personality/looks, and then if they're a little superficial they'll weigh in on the financial aspect. The money doesn't infer the personality after they've been exposed to...the personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 04:24 PM
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I'm a straight white male, bruh. I have it better than everyone else on the planet. When people insult me for being straight, or white, or male, I can laugh it off because I have the privilege of nothing having to feel threatened by any of that. If I was a Christian (atheist scum holla atcha boi), I'd have the quadrafecta going on. Am I curious about what it'd be like to be a girl? Absolutely. I think anyone who isn't curious about that is being woefully unimaginative. Aside from my inherent ben…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 03:55 PM
1

If we're not going to attempt to quantify any remotely objective outlook on what "creepy" is, then this whole conversation is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 02:48 AM
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You're implying that they're not being creepy. That doesn't mean everyone a guy talks to is going to be warm and receptive. But, I also have zero context on said "random weird big scary guy", either his mannerisms or the kind of conversation he was trying to strike up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 10:10 PM
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Uh, if you can read the cues and understand when a girl isn't in the mood to chat so you make your exit, then you're not a creep. That's the literal opposite of a creep. Maybe the girl was having a bad day. Maybe she's nervous around strangers. Maybe she's a bitch. But if you think that someone is going to furiously post on Tumblr, "ugh, some guy asked me about the Smash Bros. pin on my bag today, asked me if I'd seen the reveals for the new characters, WHAT A MISOGYNIST", then you're being para…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 09:49 PM
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That’s not how dating works. Yes it does, when you don't date like a slot machine. You also didn’t address the point about never actually being the real father of the child, thus lowering your creditibility in the household. According to yourself and literally no one else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 09:42 PM
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It is amazing how insanely complicated people make the dating process with all these retarded heuristics, when the one and only rule that need be followed is date someone who you've known for a while, have seen at their best AND worst, and with whom you have natural chemistry. That way, the demographics don't fucking matter. So hard. Much playbooking. This is assuming, of course, that one is intending to grow a relationship primarily for the purpose of companionship and deep, mutual enrichment, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 07:14 PM
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"Damn women, always wanting alimony after a divorce!" "Damn women, always being financially independent and divorcing because it won't be financial suicide!"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 05:00 PM
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Good bot
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 04:32 PM
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I have long since moved past the need for drawn-out, nuanced responses to subject matter like this. No. No it is not. Unless you have a diagnosable mental deficiency in which you are helpless to comprehend social cues, it is extremely easy to avoid "creeping" - which means, IMHOtep, that if you're making a woman uncomfortable and you're not on some sort of spectrum, you're either a raving egomaniac or a seedy motherfucker. Woman on public transport reading a book with earbuds in, wearing a hoodi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 02:16 PM
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Two people for whom the pity well is bone dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/18 06:09 PM
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I honestly can't really empathize with this issue. Who gets into a relationship with someone they're not sexually compatible with? Is this implying that the attraction goes away when the rings are on? If so, that just sounds like people who get bored easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/18 06:00 PM
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TRP and the manosphere in general is about trying to hold onto something that was already there...for millennia. So I mean, maybe sort of? Depending on how you look at it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 01:30 AM
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In my experience, that's what male Terpers think of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 09:32 PM
2

Uh, pretty sure your question was "where do you fit in the hierarchy of RP disbelief".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 09:31 PM
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That depends on how you define a male-led relationship. Do a lot of women, as a result of our Western Puritan upbringing, want to "live proper" with a man being the breadwinner, white picket fence, all that jazz? Probably. Do a lot of women want their man to incessantly hush them, demean or dismiss them, relegate them to 2nd-place in the relationship and possibly seated clearly below the children in terms of reverence? I'm gonna go ahead and say, doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 09:28 PM
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This is being presented as if TRP and PUA are one in the same, that the extent of TRP's reach ends with taking a girl home at the end of the night. PUAs are manipulative creeps, but TRP is (by definition) a much more seedy and far-reaching philosophy. A PUA might only be out for poon and lacking in any broader opinions about what women as a whole are or should be; TRP absolutely has opinions on those very things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 09:23 PM
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I'm an atheist, breh.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 08:59 PM
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BP is the "atheism" to TRP's "theism". Either the arguments for TRP hold up or they don't - the latter scenario is the BP scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 07:28 PM
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Physical attraction? Doubt it. When it comes to physical attraction, any person - male or female - decides in the first two seconds whether or not they'd fuck somebody. The syngergistic attraction from both attitude and physical characteristics, however, can change over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 02:28 PM
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If we're speaking in the sense that a feminine global psychology would result in less strife, yeah I buy that. If we're speaking in the sense that women running the globe would do the same, maybe it'd be slightly less, but power attracts people who shouldn't have it. Women are not immune to the precise element that causes conflict, which is the basic human condition. And they certainly aren't immune to fear of the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 02:25 PM
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Well, TRP is basically unregulated capitalism of the social world. And it's still a race to the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 12:50 AM
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That depends on whether or not you believe that women get nothing out of a RP-style relationship. This is, of course, paradoxical - all functional relationships are built upon consent and fulfillment at their foundation. If a "red pill woman" isn't getting what she needs, she'll leave, believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 12:45 AM
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There's a very easy way to assuage the guilt of hurting someone's feelings. Simply politely decline, and then wait. If in five minutes you're alone and comfortable, it means he was a well-meaning dude, accepted your response, and the two of you have gone on to live the rest of your lives, where no guilt is necessary. If instead you are on the brink of calling the police because the guy is getting aggressive or just won't shut the fuck up, then guilt would be wasted on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 10:22 PM
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I don't think that peoples' opinions are entirely neutral. You'll still get 7 out of 10 people who know exactly what's wrong, exactly who's to blame, precisely how to fix it, and absolutely who deserves the chopping block - and it all usually falls on party lines. However, if you're looking for people who will in one way or another bring their beliefs into some kind of concrete fruition, that number goes way, way down. That's where the illusion of neutrality comes in. People love to caterwaul, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 10:00 PM
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In a generalized sense, I bring what is necessary to build a functional relationship. Emotional stability, independence, that kind of thing. In any other sense, depends on the girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 02:15 PM
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Toxic masculinity describes masculine behaviors that are inherently antisocial, intimidating, and often destructive. It's your prerogative to reason as to whether toxic masculinity and masculinity in general are all that different, but unless you believe that the behaviors associated with toxic masculinity are not choices (or a result of conditioning) but rather undefeatable biological instincts, then the term is not broadly insulting to men. I mean unless you're ready to, for example, excuse th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:15 PM
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It's exactly where what you are saying leads to. Your original point was that toxic masculinity is offensive to men because it's insulting what they are. I am counter-pointing that it is insulting what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:59 PM
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You really gonna make the argument that catcalling women on the street is an irresistible biological compulsion that can't be overcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 11:56 AM
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And male is a gender. Masculinity is biologically attached to that gender. . Masculinity is a set of behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 07:35 PM
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So if I create a theory called "toxic blackness" and explain how it's totally not attacking black people, but instead is attacking elements of blackness that make black people bad and harmful to whites, no one would call me racist for that right? Oh wait of course they would. Black is a skin color. Masculinity is a set of behaviors - ones that are linked to certain hormonal influences, but a set of behaviors nonetheless. If you want to talk about "toxic poverty" ripping black communities apart, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 12:00 AM
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I think this certainly could happen, but it doesn't explain TRP's existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 11:49 PM
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Basically everyone responded that the anger comes from being lied to, i.e. the constant misrepresentation of what is and is not desirable and/or attractive by all serious mainstream sources. That's quite the self-reporting. Next you'll be telling me that women actually understand how to pick up women (you know, something that TRP vehemently disagrees with).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 11:44 PM
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Username checks out, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 11:37 PM
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Don't be deliberately dense. Terpers hate cuckolding because to them it's some kind of insidious, creeping lifestyle that's infiltrating western values, giving women "power". Well, it's not, and it doesn't, but that won't stop the Terps from going full conspiratard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 04:47 PM
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Maybe it's not making sense because the red pill line of logic is a trainwreck. Redpillers use "cuckold" as a projection insult of their own worst fears and insecurities for something that is not actually going on in the world except as a fetish for a niche group of couples, which has nothing to do with anything, so it begs the question of what the fuck redpill-land is even talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 04:33 PM
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Given that it was a half-facetious statement, I'm good.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 02:00 PM
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I didn't say anything about cuckolding. Mostly and first of all because it's not a philosophy or a creed. It's a fucking kink.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 11:59 AM
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https://www.maxim.com/.image/t_share/MTQyNjc4Mjg3NDM5NjM1Nzgz/undertaker-4gif.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 03:03 AM
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lol fuck off you idiot
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 02:48 AM
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That's funny, I'm pretty sure giving birth is something women do, and physically stronger is what men are. But then here you are, trying to be a fuckwit edgelord with your quantification of the value of either gender in the context of slavery (and completely outside the context of my original comment, no less), which I am not going to entertain anymore because it's beneath everyone with a shred of propriety.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 02:46 AM
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The statistics on slave prices show that healthy young adult men in the prime of their working lives had the highest price, followed by females in the childbearing years. Uh-huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 02:13 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 01:24 AM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 11:11 PM
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I think it's fairly clear that TRP and the entire manosphere is about the conservation of male power.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 10:23 PM
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lol Maybe women decided they didn't need men when men decided that they didn't like women who didn't act like servile property.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 10:21 PM
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I satisfy my needs without the use of a cult mantra. I promise you can too. You say you like "a couple" of your coworkers. What does that mean? Do you find them attractive and just want to laid? In that case, technically you can redpill by the seat of your pants, because nobody contests that being physically fit, dressing well, and projecting an air of confidence will help you to be more appealing for a potential fling. Contrary to popular TRP belief, however, women don't like being negged, mani…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 02:11 PM
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Thing is, lots of couples meet at work and yet people say not to do it. It's high risk, medium extremely variant reward. Should you date at work? Probably not advisable. There's 3.5 billion women out there that don't work at your place of employment. Should you use redpill strategy? My default answer is, "no, never, under zero circumstances", but that's just me. In any case, think of what might happen if it goes wrong - you might be looked at as a real asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 11:58 AM
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It's just a complete non-sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 11:54 AM
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I'm not sure I can subscribe to this simplification. Are these being implied with positive or negative connotations? I want a woman who can stand on her own feet, for three reasons; it's attractive, I don't want major emotional baggage, and it means she can help me grow as a person (which I will hopefully also do for her). I don't want a woman who is aloof. Feeling as though whatever you do won't put a single chink in her armor signals a lack of connection and is incredibly off-putting. There is…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 12:32 AM
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You're gonna have to go ahead and correlate relationships failing with either of these characteristics for me to even want to answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 12:27 AM
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Uh, is this presupposing that men are somehow more trustworthy? Cheating is rampant on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 12:26 AM
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On one side the left is no longer pretending to be supportive of the working class wat
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 12:24 AM
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Well, if I were into one-night stands... As a matter of "does what this girl thinks of me really have a profound effect on my confidence and self-worth"? Not really. As a matter of principle, pride, common human decency, and my subscription to a particularly primal, completionist, and damn near spiritual idea of sex? Abso-fucking-lutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 10:02 PM
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It need not only be one or the other, naturally. No human motivation comes from a singular, insular source. Regardless, it's not what I believe, just something that I think would logically follow if certain people want to be internally consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 04:24 PM
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I'm not sure I see an effective difference. If you win a trophy, you typically put it on the mantle, not stuff it in the closet under the stairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:07 PM
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That would be deliciously ironic - considering their strident adherence to evopsych, competition with other men is literally the only reason they do anything, right down to shooting their DNA into women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 01:24 AM
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Well, first of all, I think /r/T_D stole their thunder by adopting most of the abjectly malicious and/or insane people from that side of the political aisle. Secondly, TRP preys on those seeking validation. Unfortunately, not only is validation a tank that constantly needs refilling, it's also an extremely cheap and sludgy fuel and eventually it gunks up the engine. The most ardent and active members of red-pilled communities aren't even about living that life necessarily, anyway. They're about …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 01:15 AM
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People who absolutely need to be in relationships at all times, either because they think they're supposed to or because they can't function alone, drive me absolutely insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 11:55 PM
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Ehhhh, Chad is something of a nebulous concept here. If a man has a lot of sex, is he a "Chad"? Do they have to be women he doesn't know? What's the frequency? It seems to me that Chad has always been the male version of a homewrecker, defaulting to a 9/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:34 PM
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Benign advances become harassment when they are repeated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:28 PM
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If "masculinity" is defined as being territorial, aggressive, and brusque, then men today don't need to be that masculine. There's no point. Masculinity is nothing but an evolutionary tool to spread your DNA around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:25 PM
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I don't think that TRP claims that any man can become a Chad. Now, whether or not each Terper thinks they're a Chad is another matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:23 PM
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Many people have already stated it, "most people don't like most people", which I think is generally true insofar as both we don't necessarily find most people engaging (owing to the massive complexity that is interpersonal chemistry) as well as only having a finite amount of attention and affection to give to those we consider more than acquaintances. However, the male-female dynamic imposes, IMHOtep, further artificial restrictions on what we should care about or what isn't appropriate, or wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:21 PM
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I don't have any sexual "goals", so that's moot. I get it when I get it and I don't lose my mind if I go through dry spells. Meanwhile, in all things - not just relationships - I am extremely averse to commitment. I've never felt like anything I've done with myself has been what I was meant to do, if that makes sense. Maybe I have an overly idealistic idea of getting that cosmic fastball to the head that says "yes, this is what you need to be doing with yourself", but nothing - and definitely no…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:04 PM
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Why don't you go explain your raw and unadulterated opinion of women to a woman and we'll see what the reaction is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/18 06:05 PM
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Broadstroking an entire demographic because of a few anecdotal experiences and then trying to pass it off as benign, justified irritation? Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 02:30 PM
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Misogyny (which is what we're really talking about) is a bit like anti-Semitism, yeah actually. Looks like you could use some time away.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 09:59 PM
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Blues: We are so against "toxic masculinity". We want men to express their feelings and share their feelings. We want culture to say it is OK for men to express their feelings and share them. Men say "OK, here are my feelings. I'm pissed off about XYZ ABC and women doing this that and the other thing." Blues reply with "OMG OMG toxic masculinity, masculinity is toxic, rape culture, hatred, misogyny, you're just bitter men with small penises who can't get laid" and a thousand other epithets and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 04:57 PM
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lol, of all the demographics out there, TRP is one of the most notorious for peddling vengeful karma, so maybe don't stick your dick in crazy, yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 02:59 AM
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Then what, exactly, is the basis for a man's SMV either increasing or at least maintaining throughout his later adult life when compared to woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 12:07 AM
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Ayyy girl
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:48 PM
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I feel like that would apply to the first part of my post, not the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:47 PM
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Postmodernism does not have a reliable definition that isn't hopelessly sunk into any one person's own internal philosophical context and jargon. So, probably everyone and no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:29 PM
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Humans are not monsters, it's true. Until they coalesce into groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:24 PM
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A discussion is worth having over whether echo chambers (which TRP absolutely is one) produce emergent/magnified toxicity within them that spills over into the rest of the discourse aether, or whether it's just an unsightly locus of those who are looking to validate what they already believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:21 PM
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Evolutionary psychology is worth exploring to explain what motivates more basic human behavior. It is not, according to me, a way that we should structure our morality and our interactions with each other, in purely ethical, purely pragmatic, and idealistic contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:15 PM
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I'm sorry, now TRP is against the concept of equality of opportunity but difference in outcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:09 PM
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Uh, one aspect of every valuation of male worth that TRP has ever made?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:07 PM
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Whether some men squander their purported redpill benefit package is not the point (and not a strawman), nor is what their SMV starts out as. TRP absolutely and unambiguously states that a man's SMV increases if he can assume the role of breadwinner. But then here I am, pretending that SMV is even a valid concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 07:27 AM
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Without engaging the idea that men have lower standards than women (I think what either gender will settle for is far more relevant), human relationships aren't the two-piece jigsaw puzzle that sex is. We are far too psychologically complicated to be reduced down to regarding our partnerships as only a numerical weighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 11:40 PM
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The idea that women are commonly trying to be single mothers is a laughable myth. Extrapolate from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 11:35 PM
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The claim repeated ad nauseum is that a man's SMV increases into middle age. So why aren't 40-year-old men pulling down 20-year-old poon on the reg? If their SMV only increases in an explicitly contextual way, it's a fraudulent idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 11:32 PM
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There's a difference between "casual sex" and "sex outside of a LTR". I can't do one-night stands, won't have any part of it. But I do fuck girls that are my friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 01:22 AM
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Bruh, I'm not going to marry or even date a woman I haven't known and fraternized platonically with for like, 6+ years. Partner count is completely and totally unimportant. If a woman or any person at all is flaky/impulsive/unreliable/etc, it's going to show up in almost every aspect of their personality and behavior. Just as well, a lot of sexual partners doesn't automatically mean emotional instability. Maybe people shouldn't be hooking up with/shacking up with people they don't actually know.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 01:18 AM
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Bro, I'm not going to debase myself by entertaining this side argument about whether 100% of trans people are mentally unfit for this or that, because I value my time a little more than that. And quite frankly, at this point I'm about over trying to emphasize the point that laws are evanescent and that the court of public opinion - the place where laws actually originate from - is a very persuadable thing depending on political climate, available information, and personal ideology. Once again, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 10:19 PM
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You know that men have far, far higher instances of severe mental illness and suicide than women, right? I guess we should just exclude men from the military if we're into mitigating risks, I mean there are more than enough women to fill all those posts regardless, right? Oh, is that crossing into ludicrous territory? Alright, so where's the line exactly, because from where I'm standing it is absolutely arbitrary. The discrimination laws are subject to the whims of the people - what qualifies as…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 09:41 PM
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"Bro that would never happen" "Well it just happened" "THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THO" "why" "BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE LIKE BIGGER OR WHATEVER AND I'M APPEALING TO SOME ARBITRARY THRESHOLD THAT I CAN'T POSSIBLY JUSTIFY" "ah huh"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 08:54 PM
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Kind of proving my point for me, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 08:03 PM
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People founded the law. Fortunately, most of the time it's smart people with foresight, but don't think for an absolute New York minute that laws won't change with swaying opinion, some of it very regressive and mob-ish. It's not fear-mongering. Trump literally just tried to ban transgendered people from the military and people are defending it with - wait for it - statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 07:11 PM
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Two things: A level of mutual commitment that doesn't exist in other relationships. A level of showing vulnerability that goes above and beyond other relationships. Both of these things are inherently satisfying. EDIT: 30/m/poisonpill
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 06:15 PM
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Don't let your imagination run away with you and fearmonger for no reason. Bro what world do you live in where people aren't shit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 06:07 PM
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Kind of a weird commandment for a sub where half the demographic are raging misogynists, eh?
/r/PussyPassDenied05/04/17 01:26 AM
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If you don't get red pill terms, don't use them. Bro, if this is what you think happened, blame Red Pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 07:12 AM
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If the girl still exhibits femininity - a lot of which comes from personality, mind you - but looks like she could stop bullets with her stomach, I would smash. But apparently, I'm the only guy in the world who gets off on being dominant with a stronger woman (both physically and mentally). That's fine. More Samus booty for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 07:09 AM
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discouraging men from approaching women benefits women, it does not benefit men. Well...yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 11:43 PM
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That's why I referenced dread, though, because I don't think dread exists in a healthy relationship, rather it manifests in relationships that clearly are suffering some kind of imbalance in which one or both parties are experiencing dissatisfaction with either themselves or their partner. Part of this I think is that the "rotting" stage of a failing relationship can go on for a very long time, thus it's difficult to draw the line between a relationship with inherent power imbalances and a relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 08:01 PM
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That's a very, very complicated thing to assess, but I don't think that it's relevant here because you can have BDSM-style relationships that are both balanced and imbalanced in terms of who relies more on who, same thing with vanilla relationships. The working definition of "dynamic" I'm relying on is more the style of relationship that its constituents enjoy. This is why I chose to specific "healthy" relationships, to signify that I'm mostly speaking for partnerships that are desired out of en…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 06:45 PM
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We're talking about a relatively simple concept, though, in that people stay in relationships that fulfill them and also have the power to leave at any time if this ceases to be the case. Maybe the definition of "power" here is a bit nebulous, but the fact is that a person in a relationship has two points to uphold; deliver fulfillment to one's partner, and expect fulfillment in return. The aspect of power rests simply with the ability of either party to leave if fulfillment is not delivered. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 06:23 PM
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The manifestation of consent can vary across relationships. I realize that opens a rather large can of worms about such things like abuse victims staying with their partners, and I don't really have a way of resolving that, but I feel that for healthy relationships what I've said isn't inaccurate - just because the dynamic is different doesn't mean the actual amount of leverage is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 05:44 PM
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Dread is a different issue here. The assumption was that both parties are into each other and want the relationship to blossom.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 05:20 PM
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Right, precisely. Everything's consensual in the end is all I mean to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 05:19 PM
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Bro, this isn't the "Suffering Olympics", and even if it was, historically and in current less-developed countries? Women win.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 04:21 PM
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This specific discussion thread is talking about the locus of power in a Gorean-style relationship. I think a more accurate way of describing the exchange is the lending/borrowing of power, rather than whom has control. Like I said, no one wants to completely give up control, at least no one that has any self-interest whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 04:16 PM
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"Rape fantasies" are being weighed against actual rape here, though - which is something that, by definition, no woman ever wants. Your girl is with you because ultimately you are still doing something she wants. The "who has control" thing in actuality is moot, because in a partnership both parties have control.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 03:02 PM
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All I am claiming is that selection bias does not, in fact, really exist. The pool of women that RPers are reporting interacting with is wide and deep. You can't say that the berth of women this applies to is "wide and deep" immediately after describing a particularly specific group of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 07:56 PM
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Pretty much this. If I don't owe anything to the person being cheated on, then there's absolutely no reason for me to get involved in it; it will be nothing but net grief for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 07:50 PM
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If that's what you've chosen and that's what you succeed and achieve at, then that's fine, but you ought to be a lot more taken aback at the OP than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 06:58 AM
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That's fine, but how often do you specifically take notice of a woman just quietly going about her business of being her own person?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 04:36 PM
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As I will continue to reiterate until the day I die, maybe the problem is that people LTIR before knowing a person long enough to see them go through various peaks and valleys to gauge who they really are as a person; they don't observe this person in various humanizing scenarios, where one's true temperament breaks through to the surface. How this loosely relates to the topic is that it completely erases the need for any other kind of heuristic one can feasibly come up with. But, I know. Patien…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 04:16 PM
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Moved back to the frozen north. Brrrr~
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 04:10 PM
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In my refusal to take a side out of pure principle, I'll just list not what I like and hate about both sides, but what I see as potential and disappointment: Red Pill Pro: Taking our evolutionary instincts into account when dealing with social relationships is one axis of understanding that can and should be applied when mingling. It is undeniably a part of us, and strides should be made to understand and accommodate for these things to the extent that they actually factor in. Red Pill Con: To u…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 10:33 AM
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i disagree with TRPs descriptions of what womens lives and the consequences of their actions are like in reality. they are best when they are describing female NATURE, but not when they are describing female lives and the female experience of reality, teeters into male solipsism and apex fallacy and just world revenge fantasy This is literally all I've ever wanted to hear from a Red Piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 10:24 AM
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If you want to fit this into the pill paradigm, fine, but saying women shouldn't be allowed to teach is fucking ridiculous considering the widespread incidence of the same situation with inverse genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 10:21 AM
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Except that rape is the thing we are trying to stop in society, not getting drunk around strangers. A woman getting drunk around strangers has committed zero crimes for which she should be "punished" with rape. Public inebriation is not something that we need to "deal with".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 10:14 AM
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"Beta fux" doesn't fit into the puzzle that is the pill paradigm, if we assume that the "fux" suffix means anything other than someone who is hot enough to have constant sexual pull...which is the straight definition of an alpha, or at least a Chad. And what, do we assume the alpha bux has impotence issues, or something? I suppose that if you really want to stretch things, a "beta fux" could be a guy of ordinary attractiveness and income...who happens to be a fucking beast in the sack.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 09:56 AM
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I don't really participate in SMV rankings, so I'm not terribly interested in the "numbers". But, to me it's all in the intention. Ignoring the fact that massive amounts of makeup makes me feel like I'm holding hands with a living doll, if a woman chooses to wear makeup, then I want her to be proud of...well, her pride in asserting a feminine appearance. I want to get the sense from her that she is doing it to share her femininity with me, an offering freely given. I don't want to feel like she'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 09:47 AM
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Women are doing what they've been trying to do for a century; not let anyone tell them what to do with their life. If feminism as a movement has gotten a little bossy lately, so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 09:42 AM
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First of all, we'd all be in a great place if we didn't have to work. Secondly, it sure seems like a lot of women are enjoying what they gain from entering into the "male space" of career employment - a position of self-actualization that has not relegated them to one small step above a child (something to be both coddled and condescended to).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 09:41 AM
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For starters all subreddits are to a degree an echo chamber of what people want to hear. That's what makes them a subreddit. That's the whole point of online communities (and real life communities as well): particular philosophy, set of ideals, political leanings, views, etc. etc. I can't go into the r/Fitness subreddit and talk about how great laying around all day is. I'm obviously going to get shouted down. Obviously, but why would you ever do that (aside from intention to troll)? Your origin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 09:38 AM
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No, because that would make all TRPers MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 02:11 AM
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TRP is an echo chamber where people go to hear confirmation on what they already want to believe. Your argument only holds water if a male looked to a place like PPD for guidance on what he ought to be doing with himself (not that this place would necessarily be a good location for that).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 02:10 AM
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Taking one loaded case and using it to paint across a huge swath of people is something that is unacceptable for either pill demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 03:22 PM
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I never said it was a good thing. Not saying it's a bad thing either, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 06:21 PM
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One day they'll invent some kind of chemical that dissolves hair but doesn't hurt skin, in which case we can just bathe in it. That'll be the day. That'll be the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 11:11 AM
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I suppose ultimately we're rehashing the age-old Pill argument that a man ought not to try to be alpha, but to embody the best and most beneficial characteristics of both alpha and beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 11:10 AM
1

Why can't we have neck-down alopecia
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 09:33 AM
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Of course, but it suggests that dominance is not the integral trait of an "alpha", but rather his ability to make structural his environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 09:32 AM
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Cooperation is, in some form, a cessation of power. That's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 06:43 AM
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Only if you start talking about what the greater good is, which I don't care to. It's fairly easy to determine whether or not someone has cooperative tendencies. The Axis Powers cooperated for their own interests - the fact that they were lunatics isn't the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 06:32 AM
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It's not a matter of morality, it's a simple matter of behavioral tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 06:23 AM
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A huge issue of the definition of "alpha" is whether or not alphas are cooperative for the greater good. IMHOtep, you can't define alpha until you address this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 06:02 AM
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Aside from the feminist perspectives on porn (does it empower women or does it degrade them), I think porn contributes to the over-utilization of masturbation for men, which I believe to be a problem. Quite simply, if you whack it too much or if you do it just out of boredom or as a routine, it seems to me that you're messing your body's sex drive up in terms of cues and expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 05:57 AM
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Then surely you'll be able to point to any such discrepancy between men and women in the military presently that isn't a heavy skew of sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 06:29 PM
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In the military, smart one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 05:53 PM
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"Chivalrous"? The issue is romantic/sexual entanglement, which gay men are perfectly capable of succumbing to. But since we have zero evidence that this happens on any noteworthy scale between either gay men or men and women, this is a mostly silly objection.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 05:23 PM
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If this is a question about the operant differences between masculinity and femininity or simple definitions thereof, then I'm going to concretely posit that the core tenet of masculinity is territorial behavior, whereas the core tenet of femininity is a sense of nurturing. All other characteristics, IHMOtep, either fall under the umbrella of those two descriptors, or are mostly environmental factors where YMMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 05:21 PM
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I suppose you're against gays in the military, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 05:16 PM
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The latter is not necessary for the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 06:24 PM
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I'm pretty sure people don't like MGTOW because they won't shut the fuck up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 05:18 AM
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The way in which a person achieves what they want, and what rewards and punishments come with a way is what is under question. See this from the link in my OP: The just world hypothesis has more to do with some kind of nebulous cosmic order in the universe, which is why I compared it to karma. It does nothing to deal with the actual substance of what is right or wrong. Entirely, utterly false. Well no kidding, when you cut out the very next sentence. If that's the case why does TBP scream when e…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 05:17 AM
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"Just world hypothesis" is probably the wrong soundbyte to use here. It's a very loose application to both, especially TRP, because relationships are by their very nature selfish endeavors; what someone wants for themselves has absolutely nothing to do with what is ethical or not, which is what the just world hypothesis (which is honestly better described as karma) deals with. TBP (being nothing more than anti-RP) doesn't push the idea of treating women amicably to get relationships, it pushes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 04:56 AM
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I think it's not the case. A lot of the most radical posts are created by RPillers who have been around the community for years and are even Vanguards and ECs. It is not a case of anger phase. Neither it is locker room talk in a lot of cases at least. You presume the anger phase has a time limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 04:51 AM
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Trump is in the right place at the right time. Since he's obviously not come this far due to his merit or his upstanding constitution, his success must be explained in other ways - a blowback to "PC culture", a resentment of establishment politics, and a heavy pinch bigotry. Not to Godwin too hard here, but Hitler rose to unmitigated power in Nazi Germany and he was, all things considered, an idiot. The real strangeness in all of this is that American quality of life has, by many standards, neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:22 PM
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When someone from TRP uses the word "all", can we have a bot just automatically reduce it down to whatever barfly/frathouse microcosm they happen to inhabit? In any case, I'm pretty sure most people like variety, but passion - expressed as impatience and sometimes aggression - is the most obvious sign of desire and attraction. That doesn't mean all women like getting their faces slapped and being made to contort in whatever odd position their boyfriend saw on Youporn the other night. And if "rou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:11 PM
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Be happy with where you're at in life, in that case.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 05:56 PM
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Well the sub was started by CisWhiteMaelstrom, which ought to tell you something.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 04:10 PM
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This place seems to have mellowed out over the past year or so. Did all the TRP spastics migrate to /r/The_Donald ?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 02:57 PM
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It bothers me when people go looking for an echo chamber. I spend the vast majority of my "argue on the internet" time budget in locations where almost no one agrees with me - I specifically make it a point to hang out in the lion's den, and while that's not a very good strategy for developing a healthy view of humanity on the whole, you bet your ass I don't ever succumb to confirmation bias or subscribe to punditry. RP is the type of place that embodies the exact opposite values, and the fact t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 04:35 AM
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Oh I'm sorry, there is a line? Feel free to draw it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 12:43 AM
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How many 18-year-olds do you know who have held down stable full-time jobs and relationships for multiple years? How many people do you know who have said "yeah I knew exactly who I was at 18"? And stop trying to weasel an "I didn't know she was 18" scenario in because it makes you sound like a sociopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 12:02 AM
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mm yeah ok
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 11:59 PM
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This about the thousandth time I've been mistaken for a woman. I'm starting to look at it as a compliment. What's really laughable, though, is that you can basically extend this logic to as low of an age range as you see fit. "What, you think a conscious 13-year-old girl can't make decisions for herself? Why are you being so post-wall, you hag? Read a psychology book, I mean Jesus."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 11:59 PM
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I know people with doctorates who are dumb as fuck, so please. 18-year-olds have almost no life experience, they are easily impressed, and are still innately deferrent to older people as authority figures. It's fucking creepy as hell to specifically sexualize that as an older person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 11:53 PM
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I'm calling them brainless because I was 18 once and I + all of my peers were, in fact, brainless. (This is where you go full-jock and try to poke fun at my city or what have you) I don't give a shit what you're attracted to, but I do find pathetic the prospect that you'd apparently not be able to woo anything with a developed sense of self. It's creepy because it's predatory. But here I am talking presumably to a member of a group who created the soundbyte "prime".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 11:42 PM
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Phenotype is innate. Hormones are innate. Sexual desire is innate. Overall personality, courting rituals, and generally how you treat people is not innate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 11:24 PM
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Someone ultra-famous, ultra-rich person who is getting pussy thrown at them on the daily is not what I considered the context of this discussion to be. Even then, fucking groupies is gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 11:21 PM
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Because what the fuck are you doing with your life in your 30s or over that you have to debase yourself to trying to charm a brainless teenager?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 11:18 PM
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You are a funny guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 11:15 PM
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Many feel that focusing on precautions is either attaching the responsibility of not getting raped to the victim and/or essentially admitting that you're giving up all hope of ever changing prevailing societal attitudes toward women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 11:12 PM
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It's creepy when an older person is trying to get into it with someone who is, like, 18. No one cares if a 25-year-old is dating someone older.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 11:09 PM
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Not sure what you're asserting here. Pretty sure "male sacrifice" in this instance is men complaining that they have to be the load-bearers of society - working long hours, fighting wars, etc. If woman are elevated to both the free status and responsibility of men, male sacrifice shrinks enormously, if not disappears altogether. The problem is that TRPers want a subservient woman...but they also complain about having to do everything. It doesn't do much to discount the idea that they just hate w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 08:05 PM
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The idea that anyone thinks that a woman simply having a job makes her less attractive is completely made up. lol you really don't think people think this M'kay
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:50 PM
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A waitress got my order wrong once. I probably didn't dread game her hard enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:36 AM
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Red Pillers talking about male sacrifice, yet they constantly iterate that working or otherwise independent women are either unattractive or in some other way should be avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 05:55 AM
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What facts? You quoted a line from the sidebar at me. It's a "fact" that it says that in the sidebar. It's not a fact that it accurately describes what TRP is about, which is the central - wait for it - disagreement between you and I. That much is quite up for debate. What's not up for debate, though, is that you are acting like a prototypically hypersensitive red pill sophist...so, good on ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 08:08 PM
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Yes, I'm right and you're wrong. Several times in a row now, because I read TRP for more than outrage porn, so I know what I'm talking about. Gee, a member of a group has a more favorable opinion of said group than a non-member. Couldn't have seen that coming. Apparently it also doesn't change the unwritten rule that redpillers will always, without fail, quote only one part of a post.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 07:03 PM
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You can dress it up however you want. I've also heard plenty of redpillers complain about the presence of MRA nonsense in the community, so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:05 PM
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I'm really getting the sense that you don't understand what TRP is about. That would be artificially increasing your SMV to score hotter women. And no, I don't want to split hairs about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:00 PM
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First of all, this completely flies in the face of every tenet of TRP behavioral philosophy. If Red Pillers accepted the common idea that they were destined to be with women of similar SMV, then Red Pill would literally not exist. Secondly, there are plenty of comments saying that women of lower SMV are still not "safe", so even then there is disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 05:49 PM
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I've never heard TRP tell its collective audience "settle for less than you really want". Ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 05:30 PM
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If you assume women don't do well with responsibility and therefore don't trust them, you're never gonna get thrustworthy women Heh heh heh heh heh But really, though. TRP are a bunch of guys who complain because they can't get with the stuck-up plastic cheerleaders in high school who are dating asshole jocks, and somehow figure that their only recourse is to become an asshole jock, while ignoring 95% of the rest of the female population for not being 9/10 and/or enough of a status symbol to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 04:55 PM
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It's almost like stupid people with poor perspective actually exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 11:08 PM
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People don't typically need a good reason to invoke their own fanatical neuroses. That goes for any faction, anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 09:10 PM
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This story has nothing to do with the parent being a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 09:06 PM
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why aren't there purple pill principles? Because there isn't a third horse in this race?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 09:04 PM
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Courtrooms are where two different parties vehemently disagree with things. There is also no purple pill lawbook.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 08:54 PM
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Salespeople are commonly regarded as greasy manipulators with no conscience, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 08:30 PM
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Third-wave feminism is about trying to eliminate lingering bigoted mindsets against women solely because they are women, as well as destroying double standards of social behaviors like sex. I'm gonna go ahead and say that TRP is not exactly falling into step there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 08:29 PM
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There is no "purple pill" ideology. That's like saying a courtroom is where people hash out their "legal purple pill ideas".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 08:20 PM
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Imagine you are a girl just out doing whatever. A guy walks up to you, either supplicant or with swagger. What do you think is going to happen next? Oh I'm sorry, you think there's actually a polite way to turn a guy down? Nah, because any decline that a woman offers is either going to be seen as 1) being hard to get, or 2) being a bitch. And people wonder why women hate getting propositioned most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 08:17 PM
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And all bills passing through Congress are fair and balanced...except for those pesky earmarks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 10:32 PM
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Well, it's not an unprecedented and highly marginalizing sentiment, so it's hard to imagine that it came from the mouth of a TRPer. :B
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 09:06 PM
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The fact is that single mothers raise criminals more often than parents who stay together. Fact. Feminism is a proponent of no-fault divorce. Fact. Most people initiate no-fault divorce are women. Fact. The divorce rate and single parenthood rates have been rising exponentially for years. Fact. Unlike you, I deal in facts. Not feelings. You know what you'll never find in any of your "research"? The idea that single fathers raise more well-adjusted children than single mothers. Know why? Because …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 09:04 PM
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I like how you didn't have a single rebuttal to my arguments, just said "You're wrong" with no facts or examples at all. Please do not act like your arguments are well-supported. You've taken a bunch of phenomena with complex, multi-tiered causes and worked backwards to make it about your personal narrative against single mothers...ironically, the exact reason that people champion single mothers today, to combat that kind of narrative. The majority of black single mothers barely even take care o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:36 PM
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I don't exactly follow TRP's tautology than every single man and every single woman want exactly the same thing and nothing else, so I'm naturally going to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:09 AM
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What's "fantasy land" is where taking care of a kid by yourself is apparently some kind of luxury, rather than an extremely harrowing responsibility that doesn't go away for 18+ years. lmao do you even know any black people, dude? Even Jerry Springer-level black drama is about women being pissed that their men aren't sticking around. Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:02 AM
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Except we're coming from a very, very long precedent of single parenthood - that is, almost exclusively single female parenthood - being looked at as a social stigma and essentially another form of the Scarlett Letter. Argue about what the Tumblrinas are frothing about as much as you want, but that much is undeniably true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 09:30 PM
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Your SMV - basically your appearance - determines whether or not you can just walk up to someone, suggest sex, and then succeed (sometimes). A bloop would never dispute this. Your ability to be a charming, interesting individual and invest some effort into a personal relationship with the target individual is what enables you to raise your threshold. But it takes legit work and time. As for whether it's worth it in general to go for 5s or 10s, well remember that if 5 is what we would consider "a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 05:49 PM
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So what lesson do you think guys will learn from this? "Be a rapist because, hey, it works"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 05:44 PM
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Nobody encourages people to be single parents - 95% of the time, that implies divorce/separation. That's quite different from commending someone for having the strength to make being a single parent work and raising a well-adjusted child. The point is that having only one parent, while not ideal, is not a death sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 05:37 PM
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You're the worst Red Piller I've ever seen. Shame on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 07:29 PM
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Not sure how anyone could have a problem with this idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 07:16 PM
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I am not going to humor you and try to prove to what will inevitably be silly, pedantic standards the idea that TRP is an adversarial philosophy to women. That's like trying to argue that the sky is blue with someone who just discovered what qualia is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:48 PM
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I never said TRP wasn't internally consistent with its silly rhetoric. I said that TRP treats women as a thing to be wholly conquered.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:29 PM
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Just so we're clear, you're asking me to link to a post on the TRP subreddit which treats matters between men and women as adversarial. Juuuuust so we're clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:15 PM
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Almost no posts are written from a zero-sum "for me to win women must lose" mentality. In that exact wording? Maybe not. In that precise sentiment? I did say not to be disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:07 PM
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My opinion is that creeping on women is pathetic, and "white-knighting" is creeping.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:00 PM
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Don't be disingenuous. TRP operates at the expense of women, who are seen as both the "goal" and the "opponent".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 08:59 PM
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One of the fundamental goals of about everyone on TRP is to improve their sex life at any and all cost FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 07:38 PM
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TIL: Wanting to have sex makes me Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 04:17 PM
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If you're looking for a cheat code to get into womens' panties, then you're better off sticking with TRP. BP doesn't have sexual advice for you because BP doesn't think your goals are admirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 03:25 AM
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I would stylize it as the "this is both a waste of time and a detriment to anyone else looking for an enlightening back-and-forth between two individuals arguing in good faith" defense, personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 11:01 PM
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I just wanted to let your cartoon-character tier response kind of sit on its own merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 10:16 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 07:55 PM
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You can lobby for women's welfare without being a feminist, much like you can lobby for Germany's welfare without being a Nazi. The Nazis were in complete control of an entire country at one point, so by your outlandish standards, can you really? I don't think you really believe the former at all, in any capacity. But I don't think you can be reached out to. You literally said "total bonkers" to a study showing that women are just as abusive as men. I called bullshit on one particular statement …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:39 PM
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And yet I just named a bunch of completely legitimate feminist organizations who have done nothing of the sort, but you've chosen to ignore it completely. I could name a dozen more, but what purpose would it serve at this point? And then there's the fact that you think just because Erin Pizzey encountered militant feminism, that suddenly means she's no longer a feminist. Let me guess, you accept her credibility in bringing down the crazier parts of feminism, but not when she's lobbying for femin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:18 PM
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Everyone, man or woman, loves to be around confident people. Confidence is infectious in that it is inspiring and motivational (though I suppose some can react with jealousy), and also often because there is a distinct lack of it going around in the first place. And when that confidence happens to be paired with physical attractiveness - hell, sometimes not even - and the person has the set of parts that you like to get down with, that's when people pair off. Conversely, nobody likes to be aroun…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:10 PM
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Yeah, you're right. I guess Roosh is the prototypical example of everyone in your camp, too. Oh, and just to be clear, anyone who claims that feminism is illegitimate because militant groups exist has proven by default that they have done exactly zero good-faith research. Otherwise, you might've come across the dozens of feminist organizations with no shady background, such as the Women's Refugee Commission, the AAUW, League of Women Voters, Women's Action Alliance (now defunct), Feminist Majori…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:13 PM
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did you even watch the fucking video I linked? It was women laughing at a dude who had his dick cut off by his wife. It's The-Fucking-Talk. What in the living Christ are you even trying to prove by showing a program with Sharon Osbourne on it? That's like me showing a clip of The 700 Club and saying "all Christians are like this". Get your head out of your ass. So once again I ask, you think that an episode of The Talk is why men don't report domestic violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 11:18 PM
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no it doesn't. It lobbies as a sidebar so it can maintain the impression, however spurious, that it's about equality. Case in point: there's no male equivalent to #yesallwomen. In fact, the hashtag #yesallmen (which one could logically assume would be pro male victim awareness) is actually just an "all men are abusers" hashtag. "Or are we using the crazy red-haired street feminist chick as our basis for what "feminism" is, again?" And how exactly does improved awareness of male domestic violence…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 11:03 PM
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lmao Feminism explicitly lobbies for the improved awareness of male domestic violence victims, because they are staunchly against toxic masculinity. Or are we using the crazy red-haired street feminist chick as our basis for what "feminism" is, again?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 10:56 PM
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lol @ this idea that a woman's reputation is never destroyed by trying to report a rape (or that a majority of rapes are even provable) What planet do you live on
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 10:54 PM
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Turning it into a dick-measuring contest is exactly why there are gender conflicts in the first place...ironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 10:40 PM
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The KKK is collectively more of an effort at "correcting race relations" than any singular person on this sub has probably done. Should we mail them their medals now, or hand them out at the official ceremony?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 10:39 PM
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Men were also more often the victim of psychological aggression and control over sexual or reproductive health. I'm sorry, but this is horseshit. There is no...WAY that is true. The criteria of this study has to be looser than TRP's last collective girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 10:35 PM
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MRW non-reporting is a perfectly valid statistic for men and domestic violence, but apparently not at all for women and rape
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 10:25 PM
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Ironically, it's your common sense that is socially constructed. You've grown up on a steady diet of American culture, which preaches the value of individuality and self determination. So to you, it can't possibly be rational to desire otherwise. And when shown evidence (as in the several examples of popular books that OP cited) that women do desire otherwise, you assume it must be irrational. At no point did I claim that attraction was necessarily rational, but that's a far cry from presuming t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 11:02 PM
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Maybe. Maybe not. I doubt you'd have a good argument for that - I doubt you can propose a practical test to distinguish between a behavior that is innate and one that is socially constructed. I think you just prefer one explanation for political reasons. Or maybe it's just common sense that nobody wants to be subjugated. But I'm sure you're one of those people who believe that recorded human history has been a big ol' "stealth matriarchy" ploy, as I so often see around here - which is not a fact…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 10:08 PM
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Jesus Christ, dude. The OP is about how women aren't attracted to feelings, but attracted essentially to rapists. I'm saying that's a prospect that's socially reinforced by almost all of recorded history by men, and maybe we should see what an unpressured female populace looks like before we start labeling them as masochists.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 09:22 PM
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I said both consciously and unconsciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:50 PM
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All of that is about what women want. And I think we should give them a little breathing room to confirm that, on the contrary, it is not necessarily what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:45 PM
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I did not, but thanks for trying to keep me focused.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:28 PM
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If by "real world" you mean Asshole Land™ Theme Park where the concept of psychological 'nurture' isn't even a brainwave and black people are obviously not fit to be integrated into society.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:53 PM
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Ah yes, because I would want to fuck someone who is not only emotionally juvenile, but physically juvenile as well, and likely completely inexperienced to boot. Sounds like a great fuck that I definitely won't feel awkward laying next to afterward. "So, uh...have you even had sex-ed yet?"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:10 PM
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How about we give women a decent chunk of history to experience what it's like to NOT operate under both the conscious and subconscious assumption that the greatest thing they can be in life is attractive to a male...and let's see how things turn out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:05 PM
2

My remark was more about the motivations of people prioritizing false rape claims over...well, the whole issue of rape in general, which regardless of plus or minus this or that, remains a far more prevalent problem even if one were to bend the statistics as far in their favor as possible. Both false rape claims and actual rapes are difficult to prove, so the nebulous nature of both should not motivate a person to take either a hardline misandrist or misogynist stance with respect to heterosexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 09:38 PM
1

I don't know how long you've hung around here but the Red Pill MO for most women is that they're willing to file a knowingly false rape report at the drop of a hat - as in, "I was drunk but I need to protect my image, ergo rape report".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 05:01 PM
0

Are you out of your fucking mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 04:30 PM
1

Awesome writeup. I will say, though, that the actual controversy around false rape reports (especially around here) revolves around that which you quoted the police as terming "malicious" - and that we still have no reason to believe any non-negligible amount of rape reports are filed in this fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 04:27 PM
2

It's not about their personality, it's about getting laid. The chick isn't banging you for your sunny disposition, she's using you for your looks - it's exactly the same way that a dude fucks an airheaded bleach blond.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 04:21 PM
1

Because there is no meaningful, working definition of that relationship unless the captain has some kind of arbitrary power over the first mate. It is also a matter of someone saying, "I want to be the captain", which is the common RP sentiment. That is akin to someone walking onto a job site and saying, "I want to be the foreman." It doesn't work like that, and someone who specifically desires power over others is probably a sociopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 05:46 PM
5

Then maybe men should be okay with women being the breadwinners sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 03:22 AM
1

The friend zone is about dating. The ladder theory is about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 01:48 AM
6

For stupid people, maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 01:44 AM
1

Part of what this whole sub is about is debating whether or not that's true. So they can claim it, but they also have to show it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 04:58 PM
2

When it's not actually human behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 10:26 PM
2

Only if I believed that the rest of the population were as zealous as TRP. Not as much, but it's the thought that counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 10:04 PM
1

I didn't say that you couldn't continue carrying the grudge.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 06:49 PM
3

I suppose it would be the same motivation, though I don't think I'd agree that's the same scenario when you get down to it. The former is bitterness, whereas the latter is just the fanaticism caused by being bored, white, and restlessly middle-class.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 06:48 PM
6

They're not being shamed for their virginity. They're being shamed for letting their lack of success turn them into angry, frothing neanderthals. Ergo, when someone is being an angry, frothing neanderthal up front without context, the assumption is that they're just being irrationally mad about lack of vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 05:50 PM
3

If you just look at the internet, it would seem like the U.S. is 97% Democrat. The Presidential races, meanwhile, are a tad closer. TRP is just the mushroom on a whole network of tentacles under the surface.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 05:46 PM
9

TRP is a minority, TRP's misogynistic sentiment ain't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 02:51 PM
6

I don't know if the Nazis were hypocrites, but what I do know is that I can now claim that TRP is, at least in some small sense, literally Hitler.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 02:11 PM
6

Sexual freedom for women without judgment is not a thing yet (on the whole). I think TRP itself should be proof of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 02:08 PM
2

Middle-class white women in Western nations are treated like children, so of course they have it easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 06:58 PM
1

Then they can get a well-paying job and hire a nanny.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 11:53 PM
2

You are right about that. Everyone I know is the preppy, clean-cut style, like I am. As I would imagine is generally true for most TRP people. It turns out that in the subculture of "popular kids in high school", you're going to find that a lot of the behaviors classically described in TRP are like a plague. This is what they don't seem to understand - shitty people flock to each other. I'll go down to Black Finn in Royal Oak, MI; do you think I expect to see some sprightly nerd types like mysel…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:04 PM
2

Y'ever consider that maybe you're just in the wrong social circles to find them? Me four years ago: "There are no goth people in Nashville." Me today: "I have never been more wrong about anything in my life." Turns out I don't regularly go to "goth" hotspots.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:54 PM
2

Maybe people shouldn't marry someone whose personality and tendencies they don't actually have a good grasp on. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ "But that takes years and years of experiences seeing someone at both their best and their worst!" Nooooooo, y'think?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:51 PM
9

Pretty sure that TRP believes everyone hates everyone else for all the reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:42 PM
2

lol It's more like, "I've had conflicting experiences to you, but while I have no problem accepting that both experiences can coexist, you insist that I'm simply lying and can't see the incontrovertible truth".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:40 PM
3

It's pretty common for chubby dudes to have mad game.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:21 PM
5

"Blue pill tactics" = reasonable burden of proof, apparently. Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:18 PM
5

You can't change reality by refusing to accept what reality is like. The vast majority of women do not find the majority of men to be sexually attractive. Well, if you say it's true, then it must be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 04:55 PM
7

An insatiable pussy hound who at all times, by default, is not getting enough, and is more concerned with subjugating the entire universe than contributing to it? A slight problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 04:53 PM
2

The conciliatory attitude makes me okay with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 03:50 PM
4

If there's some phenomenon going on, then I think it has far more to do with the format of OKC than it does a huge discrepancy between the way men and women evaluate attractiveness. Put x-number of men and women in a room alone with a computer, tell them to rate x-number of pictures on a 1-10 scale with no consequences and full anonymity, and I think you're going to see fairly equal results.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 03:37 PM
5

I don't understand what bearing this has on the idea that when you put either gender in front of a "buffet", they're going to gravitate toward the most attractive ones out there. Look at female Instagram models. That wouldn't be a thing unless men had precisely the same kind of thirst.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 03:28 PM
2

Same to you, I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 03:10 PM
3

I have absolutely no reason to believe that evaluating the rating tendencies of both men and women in a controlled, non-stupid environment will reveal any meaningful differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 03:03 PM
3

Your post was going on about how "women do care about looks". To which my response was...no shit. The OP is taking exception with the OKC study specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 02:56 PM
1

I don't understand in the least how this is a response to what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 02:42 PM
1

God the fucking irony in these comments. "lol, TRP is not about control, but while we're here let me psychoanalyze you and try to manipulate you into thinking TRP is good, shh shhhhh just let it happen"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 02:24 PM
7

OP isn't saying women don't like attractive men. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 02:12 PM
1

This response is so asinine I'm just not going to bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 02:59 AM
1

I explicitly stated that the goals were the problem, so why would I offer someone advice on how to achieve them? And if your next response is to suggest that RP's goals are innocuous and undifferentiated from what any healthy male wants...I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 10:53 PM
6

I'm glad I have a habit of thoroughly evaluating the comments before I respond to an OP, so I know whether or not what I'm about to say is worth the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 08:42 PM
0

Yeah, it's definitely just that simple in context. Definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 08:32 PM
2

"And this is why men are superior, since it's our immune systems that are chopping up all the diseases out there and making it safe for women."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 04:53 PM
1

The average person is a dipshit. So, I mean...if you want'em, take'em.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 03:32 PM
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I don't know what is so hard to grasp about this. BP doesn't give you advice on how to connive your way into getting pussy because they think that's a shitty way of thinking and a shitty mode of behavior. RP will never get advice on how to work women over from BP because both their goals and their methods are considered abhorrent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 02:02 PM
1

If by "experienced and lived", you mean "autistically trying to reduce everything down to a pre-established assumption", sure. Which, ironically, harkens right on back to the way SJWs look at the issue of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 01:57 PM
1

On this particular subject, I would be saying "I doubt it". But I don't know a thing about opera.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 11:00 PM
1

Since I have no idea what we're even splitting hairs about at this point, I'm just going to go back to my original comment. Social instructions dictate when and how people "hamster". Both genders would do it constantly if it was an effective technique.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 09:26 PM
2

If this is an exercise to demonstrate that relationships do, in fact, involve certain expectations, then I don't know if anyone has ever denied that. No one but the saddest, most delusional sap would say, "all I need is for my SO to be happy", and mean it in the most literal sense possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 09:22 PM
9

No blooper ever denied that being an asshole gets you pussy. One simply wonders how any person could rationalize putting pussy above being a decent human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 09:15 PM
1

What I'm wondering is why this is worth discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 09:12 PM
1

The term "hamster" is thrown around to belittle womens' intelligence. It has nothing to do with mens' issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 08:37 PM
1

Mens' rights. A small theoretical difference in intelligence between the sexes. These things have nothing to do with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 07:59 PM
1

It's almost like nobody on this subreddit is a practicing neuroscientist with a heavy bend toward evolutionary/developmental psychology, or something. And even then, such precedents would have precisely zero relevance when considering things from an ethical perspective; if women had on average 1% lower IQ than men, should we give them 1% less autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 07:32 PM
1

"Of course, to say that certain theories are equipped to handle our results is not to say that any one of these theories receives direct confirmation from our results." You don't say.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 07:24 PM
1

The natural mental differentiation between men and women is latent at best. Women act like they are expected to act, as do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 07:05 PM
2

Hamstering is a gender-netural phenomenon. However, due to the state of male-female social dynamics, it is permissible for women to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 06:57 PM
2

Generalizations are bad for reasons twofold: When speaking about a very broad group of people, the likes of which are so large that they are effectively unquantifiable, you are speaking from a position of ignorance by default. Generalizations create hostility, and any preexisting divides are widened. As far as TBP vs BP, everything that is TRP is contained on one subreddit, where popular topics are voted to the top - it's not that hard to follow. I'm also pretty sure BP doesn't care about being …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:48 PM
3

Problem being just as I said - when you begin on the assumption that your worldview explains/accounts for every incident that occurs, it's super easy to put a favorable spin on it all. Much like the priest assuring the amputee that "God has a plan", there will always be a TRPer to assure the beta, "AWALT".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:43 PM
2

I'm not really sure what this has to do with the subject at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:39 PM
8

Probably far easier to list what I don't like. For example, plastic bitches. I hate, hate, hate tons of makeup. Absolutely loathe it. Also, call it a cliché, but even if a woman is stunningly attractive in picture form, I can't really be bothered to get up until I know what she's like. For me, a girl's personality has a retroactive affect on her physical attributes. As well, usually regardless of whatever a girl has to work with, what makes me turn my head is how well she seems to take care of h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:33 PM
3

http://i.imgur.com/YZQXBVO.png
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:24 PM
2

This entire subreddit is dedicated to debating that exact premise, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:12 PM
1

Guess what, those feminists who jump from cock to cock are also 'deviants'. Yeah, and?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:11 PM
3

If you deliberately stylize something as a universal truth, it's pretty easy to find it in...everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 03:35 PM
6

Trying to imply that gender politics has a hand in literally everything is the most bloop/feminist/SJW thing one can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 03:04 PM
13

Schadenfreude.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:00 AM
2

RP is borderline psychotic about wanting the most basic, visceral, and ultimately fleeting kind of attractiveness for themselves, which is that kind of immediate, intimidating draw that starts and stops at the vagina. That's really all they care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/15 09:27 PM
2

Probably fairly boring, I'd have to imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/15 09:20 AM
1

...What?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/15 09:19 AM
1

That depends entirely on what you think TRP is about. If it's about crawling out of a hole and bettering yourself for your own sake, go back to school and start hitting the gym; leave the psycho-babble out of it. If it's about acquiring pussy, then I honestly couldn't care less about recommending an alternative - your priorities are already out of whack.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 09:23 PM
1

The point is that "sexism" is more about describing a behavioral tendency in the sexist, rather than being able to just dismiss something once you've slapped a label on it. Same thing with racism and racists, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 06:21 PM
4

I was wondering how quickly this month's "dear BP: does this count as rape" thread would come up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 05:13 PM
4

Fuckin' right.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 05:10 PM
2

While I agree that simply combating the legitimacy of a lot of bigoted claims is a more useful approach, the term "sexism" I feel applies perfectly to TRP - a situation where sentiment precedes knowledge and promotes confirmation bias, creating a systemic framework of gender-based bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 03:34 PM
4

Utilitarian statement: Relationships are about personal growth. Regardless of the balance of influence in the relationship, if they're not giving you fruitful life experience and helping to develop your maturity, that doesn't bode well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:38 PM
1

Maybe I'm arrogant in my anthropological ideology, but simply not in my dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:35 PM
5

The 5 F won't be sexually attracted to the 5M. I literally just stated this opposite of this sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:27 PM
10

Horse shit. Everyone is "primarily" attracted to people who are more attractive than they are. Everyone. That doesn't mean a 5-male and a 5-female aren't sexually attracted to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:19 PM
6

Here's a counter-generalization. Count up all the 5/10s in the world, both male and female. I'll bet my bottom dollar that both the mens' and womens' partners will average out to be 5/10s as well. People get with their SMV equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:09 PM
3

The reason is because everybody has been being manipulated since we crawled out of the womb. I somehow don't feel as badly as I probably should that I was apparently manipulated into being an empathetic, introspective, mentally stable human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:06 PM
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Only women are hypergamous, because women are sexually attracted only to men who are higher status than they are. This is a feature which is peculiar to women. Men, on the other hand, are attracted to women across the SMV spectrum -- above them, at their level, even below them. Holy hasty generalizations, Batman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:04 PM
1

I've grown up modest and haven't been jaded by getting everything I want because I'm exceptionally gorgeous to look at. I'm a misanthropist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:57 PM
4

Uh, as in non-facetiously and in genuine appreciation for their personhood? No. No I have not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:33 PM
4

...Go sleep with someone's loose girlfriend, then a few months later walk up to them and say "I did you a favor", and let's see how that turns out for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:21 PM
3

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be justifying, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:11 PM
3

I have plenty of flaws but social engineering isn't one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:58 PM
3

I'd like to think it wouldn't, but I won't say with 100% certainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:53 PM
2

Well, good. I think that's how it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:41 PM
1

Trying to suggest that you can draw a perfectly straight line between primordial reproductive instincts and modern dating habits is disingenuous at best, and I think you know that perfectly well; needless to say, pairing up based on ideological compatibility is most certainly not an "instinct". Beyond that, where exactly did we confirm that men don't like being asked out by women in theory? They find it off-putting because it's unusual, and when something is unusual it's typically a signal that …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:38 PM
1

I don't get intimidated, I get suspicious. "Well, this dude can extract anything he wants from pretty much everybody, let's see how quickly that power goes to his head."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:10 PM
7

By all means, let's make a difficult period for one partner that much more painful and complicated just for one night of poon with a shitty human being (or so the example implies).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:08 PM
0

It's not instinctive, it's just social norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 06:59 PM
0

Everyone likes to be chased. It means they're wanted. Everyone also likes chasing if they're fairly certain it will result in success. Women who ask men out, however, are viewed as "weird" and that's why I'm sure they don't do it. Not because they don't want to, but because it automatically gives them the branding of being odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 06:29 PM
0

Girls don't like to chase and there is some aspect that instinctively feels wrong about doing it that way round. I don't think this is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 05:54 PM
1

Also, this is a lot like asking "is atheism backed by hard science". Atheism isn't the group making the positivist claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 10:43 PM
2

Now kith.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 10:41 PM
5

Okay, do TRP types believe that the vast majority of women are Facebook feed-polluting basic bitches whose deepest thoughts come straight off of Someecards?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 10:32 PM
1

Sure, but I apply it to all people. ;P
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 10:58 PM
2

Just a strong urge to act on impulse and have sex with an attractive (to you, at least) female.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 08:46 PM
5

Let's clear the air about this. BP is not "satire". Satire is taking something and creating an entire alternate production of it which highlights the absurdities, so unless physically creating the Blue Pill subreddit qualifies as a production, BP doesn't make the cut there. TBP is just a repository of the most hilariously reprehensible things that come out of TRP. It's the bash.org of gender politics on the internet. As such, they have no burden to provide alternative commentary on the subject s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:47 PM
2

I am highly skeptical of all relationships I see. That married couple over there, I'm just counting down the days until the divorce - if not that, then until they silently admit "well hanging around with you for the rest of my life isn't terrible, so I'll deal". I don't think people form especially strong bonds with each other particularly often, and that a lot of personal relationships are circumstantial. That is why I believe that it's exceedingly difficult for a man and a woman (both straight…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:42 PM
7

Ah yes, "The 'The Jon Stewart Defense' Defense", which should be the name of an argumentative fallacy where apparently it's illegal to call others out on boorish statements unless you are prepared to give all the answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:27 PM
0

I would say that toxic masculinity is something that happens to men which is then reflected back out by those men. The discrepancy would come from those who condemn the outlandish behavior but fail to address the root cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:14 PM
3

I think the world (and the universe, doubtlessly) is mostly constructed in a way that provides "karma" for stupidity. Karma for malevolence needs a little more regulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:59 PM
3

If you're trying to say that lying and utterly flippant negligence are roughly equal in terms of undesirable characteristics, then I agree, but the latter is far more nebulous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:36 PM
4

but I doubt anyone on TRP actually thinks they're toxic by nature Oh y'do, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:30 PM
2

Exactly what I was going to post.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:26 PM
6

The outcome could be the same, sure. We're judging the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:18 PM
1

One that has no repercussions in today's world with today's social ideas and today's standards of living. Unless you can find something "toxic" about the bond between a mother and her child.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:42 PM
1

lol Prove this with something that isn't a Youtube video or a Yahoo article.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:30 PM
1

Not if I never claimed to be anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:28 PM
1

You cannot say that there is good and bad masculinity but only good femininity or non-gendered. I can if it's true. Masculinity is a evolutionary survival strategy. It is absolutely not the proper code of conduct for a civilized, industrialized society.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:28 PM
4

All I know is afterward would be something like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 10:17 PM
1

I'm not sure how that follows unless said emergency is caused by an aggressive party.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 10:13 PM
6

If the question is, "were most men who were divorce-raped totally asking for it", I couldn't begin to know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 08:10 PM
1

I'm not an activist. I just fight the ideological battles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 02:27 PM
3

Explain to me what part of the paradigm of "femininity" would allow for such a thing. Human beings are shrewd, clannish, angsty creatures by design. That doesn't have anything to do with vaginas and dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 02:18 PM
1

I already allotted for the possibility that women demonstrate negative behaviors that are either masculine or just completely devoid of gender context.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 01:58 PM
3

Masculine = good in areas of society where competition and otherwise cut-throat behavior is considered acceptable (sport, business, etc.), bad in pretty much everywhere else
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 12:40 PM
4

That's not what I asked. How is it feminine in nature, by any decently useful definition of the term?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 12:39 PM
6

Men are expected to be the breadwinners, ergo it appears that they mature later on as their careers become stable and, by proxy, their lives. Emotionally, most people never mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 12:33 PM
2

How is being bitter and conniving "feminine"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 12:17 PM
0

Not by my sense of the word "toxic", no. If instead we take the word "toxic" to mean "could possibly cause some kind of vague misunderstanding resulting in conflict", then maybe I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 06:02 AM
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There doesn't have to be another side to that coin. If we're going to have useful, working definitions of the terms "masculinity" and "femininity", then masculinity has to refer to the tendencies of aggression, possessiveness, being territorial, etc. while femininity can only be defined as nurturing, passive, emotionally resonant, so on and so forth. Can a woman harbor traits that are negatively masculine? Absolutely. Can she harbor traits that are just non-descriptly negative and don't really h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 05:04 AM
13

Who said AMALT is acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 12:04 AM
2

But if I was ugly and/or socially awkward, it wouldn't have mattered, because I still wouldn't have validated myself via pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 12:03 AM
2

That would hold true if I had waded my way through women like it was noting, but I have had three sexual partners my entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 08:18 PM
2

Everyone wants someone who both sexually and emotionally satisfies them. What TRP considers to be "alpha" will never give the latter, unless the woman just doesn't need (or doesn't think she needs) emotional nourishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 05:04 AM
3

No, it makes them look realistic. You are offering them nothing except dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 03:29 AM
3

No, it's not women being simple, it's the exchange being simple. TRP likes to talk about BB getting used by women...nah, it's the other way around. When you're that guy, you're not a human being to the woman, you're an idea and a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 02:07 AM
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I don't feel intimidated by big dogs because I never let them take my toys away. I don't have an irrational dislike of women because I never based my personal worth on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 01:59 AM
5

Being "depressed and involuntarily celibate" is not the alternative, this is not a dichotomy between ultra-successful alpha dogs and pathetic beta bitches. There is so much breathing room between the tip-top and the bottom of the how-much-I-get-my-dick-wet barrel that TRPers absolutely refuse to acknowledge and it makes me want to tear my hair out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 01:40 AM
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I don't consider being nice a detriment (because I don't look at every woman in terms of nothing more than her vagina, but that's another matter), I'm saying that if you are going for that instant, visceral, walk-in-the-room gut attraction that TRPers are obsessed with, you have to discard nicety because it's incompatible. You have to be a smug, minimizing prick with a fake smile to do all that nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 01:36 AM
3

well usually it's said for getting laid. I also disagree that interpersonal relationships are completely case by case if we're looking at relationships. There are fundamentals that can usually be applied. I don't like this view of every one is a special person who's unique. We're all human, we all came from a vagina and at the end of the day we all chase the same things if we think about it (money, sex, validation, kids, happiness - one combination or another). Of course exceptions apply and not…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 10:10 PM
3

Interpersonal relationships are completely case-by-case. To say "yeah, it worked" is to say nothing about the situation and the myriad of factors on how it proceeded. But to speak in extremely general terms...what worked? Working out and having a charming disposition? Yeah no shit I bet that worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 09:36 PM
1

My point is that they're in a such a silly head-space that they don't have to be insecure about it, because they're so inundated with their own ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 09:29 PM
2

RPers love to hate sluts. Why would you get insecure about something you've deemed unworthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 06:42 PM
4

As long as they didn't try to talk about pill stuff, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 06:24 PM
1

That doesn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 04:12 AM
5

Yes, it's not what should be taught to our children at impressionable ages. You should not feel like violence is expected from you just because you have a penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 05:47 PM
1

Alright, I'm confused. Does Red Pill think this is a problem, or do they think this is the way it should be?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 05:24 PM
2

I've always been of the opinion that the woman makes the clothes, rather than vice versa. Downer answer but that's how I feel. :P
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 05:15 PM
-1

Isn't this what you actually believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 04:56 PM
4

It's not as overt as you're taking it. Just a subtle thing among many things that reinforces the subconscious idea that men have dominion over women but are being charitable by not exercising it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 03:39 PM
7

The irony with this is that proclaiming this sentiment is a roundabout way of saying, "I know I hold all the power, I'm just promising not to use it on you".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 03:32 PM
8

What are the Detroit Red Wings doing to help cultivate a healthy youth basketball scene in the Motor City?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 03:03 PM
8

AMALT, eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 02:52 PM
5

Yeah, it's amazing how far you can go when you stop RIGHT at that point and don't bring along the psychological baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 02:11 AM
5

Well, since TRPers tend to believe that the only valuable thing a woman brings to the table is her uterus, I know what their answer is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 02:10 AM
1

I honestly couldn't care less about the physical BP subreddit, so sure, why not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:51 PM
17

Don't even act like TRP doesn't speak in equally absolutist terms about shit they think they know about. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:24 AM
2

If anything they're guilty of taking too seriously what was clearly a thread about self-deprecating humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 08:51 PM
3

I don't see the issue with the link.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 08:38 PM
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Very rarely have I ever seen BP just be needlessly cruel. At times I've seen them say things like, "look at this poor youngin', he has no idea what he's getting himself into", but insults are almost always reserved for those who say ludicrous things. But that's the point of BP. When you take a lot of RP content outside of RP, it looks absolutely ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 06:39 PM
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I for one, am a proud sexist, and I don't think theres anything wrong with that. Apparently you don't believe in using life experience as a factor in making judgements? That is both morally repugnant and epistemologically offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 06:17 PM
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Which would change it from a useful field report to a typical field report, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:13 PM
1

And what happens when you don't have perfectly congruent goals? How do you resolve that conflict? Legitimate question, are you a god damn alien? Read any criticism of TRP that uses the word "manipulative" pejoratively and replace it with "bad." You are the one who is vehemently arguing the definition of the word. We've told you what it means and how it applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:22 AM
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Hyperbolic much? "Mental terrorism"? Jesus. Also, note how your argument is "I'm right because I say so and can think of a provocative way of saying I'm right." You're offering no evidence to support your position other than a pithy phrase. It's not an evidence-based problem, you cretin. It's semantics. Your definition of manipulation is convoluted, not useful, and obviously bent toward justification of something. It's an issue of your bias on the subject. Telling your friend that he'll have fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:05 AM
2

Which begs the question of why this thread started out with so many "lol what am I even supposed to say to this" replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:54 AM
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Of course women have mental checklists like this as well, but the big difference is that if a woman feels overwhelmed, society does not deem it wrong for her to feel overwhelmed, shut down, and not manage her own life. Maybe it's because...gasp...women are treated like children. I mean, it's not like there are dozens of psychological studies out there detailing how human beings act according to the way that they are treated, or anything...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:28 PM
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Yeah, they're real meta over there. Here at TRP, we deliberately speak in an over-the-top manner that frequently annoys and antagonizes weak-minded individuals who typically are unable to get past reading a title to see its deeper meaning. Magnets reading true, Commander, there's definitely iron present.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:22 PM
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There is. Coercion involves force or threats, manipulation does not. Manipulation is mental terrorism. You can put as positive a spin on it as you like, it doesn't change what it actually is. What's wrong with this? If your friend gets you to go out to a bar when you were planning on staying in, are they a bad person? Kind of funny that you use this example since it's a perfect illustration of RP-style negative reinforcement, i.e. removal of an unwanted stimulus - doing what the person wants bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:07 PM
2

It is interesting. Unfortunately (or fortunately), I can only imagine you're getting reaffirmed in your belief from the responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:55 PM
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Instead of putting my pizza rolls in the toaster oven, she puts them in the microwave like a complete slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:52 PM
2

Badgering is also different from manipulation. Look up the dictionary definition of those two words and coercion; the only person skewing anything is Daniel Webster. You are just interested in justifying some shitty behavioral practice through semantics, so I'm honestly not sure why you've bothered to offer up this debate. There is no meaningful distinction between the words "manipulation" and "coercion" in the context we are speaking. If you have to manipulate someone into doing something, it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:48 PM
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Stop skewing shit. It's annoying as piss and makes me not want to engage you. Badgering is a form of coercion, however trivial you might want to make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:37 PM
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lol @ the minimizing responses in this thread This is what a useful "field report" looks like, boys. This is where your understanding of women ought to be coming from, things just like this account.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:35 PM
2

Because people don't need to be coerced into win-win situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:26 PM
2

Manipulation is done 95% of the time for the benefit of the manipulator and to the detriment of those being manipulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:12 PM
1

It tickles me that TRPers don't know about this. Fantasies about being taken by ugly/unkempt men are not unusual in the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 03:54 PM
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No one has ever said that alpha males are not viscerally, instinctually appealing to some, if not a lot, of women. Regardless, both genders are prone to bragging about their lays, so I'm not sure how that fits into the hyper-dimorphic TRP worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 03:45 PM
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You've literally described the psychological phenomenon of women staying with an "alpha" as a pathological result of an abusive situation, and somehow this is still on the woman. Someone should study you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 03:36 PM
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We can't change your view because your view is based on a straw man, a version of this kind of scenario concocted in your head that you are applying to all cases of this sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 03:32 PM
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Because field reports are confirmation bias. How many field reports do you see that talk about situations in which TRP theory was absolutely no help, or that things played out completely different from what TRP said would happen? Not that many.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:51 AM
1

Because men don't naturally feel threatened by shit women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:35 AM
1

Considering I said that about NAWALT...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 02:10 PM
0

...I'm really confused as to how we got to this point in the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:07 AM
1

Which would mean that NARALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 12:56 AM
1

I don't think entire social movements are based around shit that didn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 12:40 AM
5

Kind of ironic that you're defending AWALT by invoking AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 11:52 PM
2

Uh, well if you believe that people popularly enjoy creating backlash to nonexistent problems, then I guess it can.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 11:40 PM
2

lol, I am not arguing with someone who is subtly implying that the only thing of value a woman brings to the table is her uterus
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 11:32 PM
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That literally makes no sense, I hope you realize that. "Not All Women Are Like That" can't exist without context, even if it didn't specifically have the AWALT acronym stamped on it prior to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 11:29 PM
2

Maaaaaybe I'll give weechat the ol' reinstall, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 11:26 PM
6

If it's an emergency, I'd naturally rather be alive (with all limbs intact) and broke, than the alternative. But as far as preventative care, I don't have much of an incentive to go get things looked at when an x-ray or MRI costs an utterly exorbitant amount of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:46 PM
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I know precisely what Red Pill says AWALT is. I have my own opinions about what it extrapolates out to be, and where it originates from.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:44 PM
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Nobody, and I mean nobody, arrives at the gates of Red Pill who isn't looking for someone to validate what they already think is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:40 PM
5

Because I don't make the best money at the moment (should change in the next year or two) and even though I have good insurance at my job, I still had to pay $400 out of pocket to get six stitches in my foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:39 PM
3

More money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:30 PM
8

Boy, they really won't let go of this "liberated women destroyed Rome" thing, will they?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:30 PM
3

Well, of course there is - preexisting bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:28 PM
1

Except the obvious implication before that was that women who enjoy sex are not automatically "reckless and unworthy of commitment"...and it would be easy to tell that if you got to know them properly before dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:26 PM
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I'd beg to differ. There's a reason it's "all women are like that", and not "all women might be like that so just be careful".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:18 PM
1

Lucky you, Nashville only gets rainy, gray weather that hovers at about 40, it's flat out boring. :( Well I don't know, would you like me to come back?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:14 PM
0

I could be better but honestly I'm not doing that bad. What about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:10 PM
2

You're missing my implication. If you aren't familiar enough to know whether or not said girl is the former or the latter, you shouldn't be dating them at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:09 PM
1

Well...alright then. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:07 PM
6

Only for people who are shit judges of character or jump into relationships too soon. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:06 PM
0

How can you possibly reconcile this with the way TRP pushes the dark triad as what women are truly drawn in by?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:01 PM
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TRPers use n-count to determine sluthood. There's no contextualization to make distinct the idea of a trashy, relationship-destroying harpie and a girl who just simply likes to have sex. That's why it's a stupid viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 06:58 PM
1

In a moral sense, there is absolutely nothing wrong with any intimate arrangement of any number of adults who have arrived at their preferred relationship style out of true freedom of choice, without coercion by any party. In a practical sense, it's Manipulation Central Station. EDIT: I'd just like to go on record with saying that the RP replies in this thread are hilariously pathetic. Even if the number of people who are truly equipped to deal with a multi-partner relationship is minuscule (and…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 09:03 PM
1

Both men and women prefer their casual fucks to be completely devoid of baggage. "Nice Guys" have baggage out the ass. So do TRPers, but part of their schtick is to have as little personality as possible, which makes a casual fuck convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 08:53 PM
2

We'll just keep this between us, then...!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 03:18 PM
2

Can I quote you next time someone is looking for "BP" advice that worked? ;) You're welcome, duder. Happy to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 01:34 PM
0

Well man...sounds like you're just the right person for TRP, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 02:29 PM
1

Eh, looking at things in a Red Pill context (because this entire idea is RP), it would be more about intellectual assertion. If you can demonstrate knowledge about something so articulately that the other layperson could never hope to see to the bottom, and if you can make what you're doing sound relevant or important (don't just wine taste because you like wine, be a vino because it grants you access to high culture), that makes you seem deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 01:25 PM
2

Ask yourself this question. Do you really think that if you had a girlfriend right now, as you are, that it would be a healthy relationship and that you would really be happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 01:22 PM
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He's asking if you can see relationship issues in RP terms. My response was fairly clear. You can't apply a Red Pill understanding to something that's not operating to achieve Red Pill ends. "I just needed someone who fit my more laid-back lifestyle a little more." "Yeah but did you try telling him to act more like a man?"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 01:17 PM
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This would only make sense if the couple was trying to achieve Red Pill relationship goals. Now one can (as TRPers often do) assume that everyone, deep down, truly wants a Red Pill-style partnership, buuuut...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 06:10 PM
2

ITT: gender issues are apparently the primary driver and plague of industrial economies
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 06:03 PM
4

So here's the question for you BluePillers: Once I have dropped to a level where I simply am needy (I dont deny it - if you ignore about 7 days of my life I have never been in a relationship, of course I am lonely) - How do I get rid of that, if not by doing exactly what TRP does: Manipulating women into thinking you're more alpha with a higher SMV that you actually are/have. First of all, you're looking at women as a thing to "win", which is something a blooper is always going to steer you away…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 05:46 PM
2

That may be, which takes us right back to your original problem... ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 01:03 AM
2

I'll really have to think about this for a while, before I can find answers. To be honest, I hate thinking about friendships like this. Doesn't come naturally to me. Friendship is a real feelz- thing for me. But I have realized by now that there is no way around it. The irony here is that this is precisely why most bloops dislike RP, the aspects of it that seem like a mathematical formula. We just have to keep in mind that recognizing patterns is okay, but it's important to maintain humanity, de…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 11:50 PM
2

I agree with /u/MissPearl 95% of friendships are forged not out of true kinship, but out of one or more of three things: Convenience Common interests Perceived usefulness These are all great foundations for fleeting friendships that can dissolve fairly easily. Ask yourself, what did you really have going on with these women? Was it the true bond that good friends are made of, or did those aforementioned characteristics just happen to dissolve over time? Men have far more common interests with ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 09:49 PM
1

TRP is an "amoral" bank of information that peddles some morally suspect things. Now if you want to say that TRPers don't take their philosophy to its logical endpoint, then sure, but very few people do. The social contract exists because certain needs outweigh others - my desire to fuck that ultra hot only-bangs-11s chick over there is far less than my desire to stay out of prison for raping her (there's also that "basic human empathy" thing, but yeah). Not really something you can criticize TR…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 09:41 PM
1

ACALT
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 09:31 PM
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Honestly, this is the kind of thing I feel like most RP men are going for, but then totally blow right past on their way into egoistic oblivion. A very good description of taking care of yourself and being desirable for your partner, earnestly showing what you want, being the "male" in bed, but also displaying a legitimate and empathic concern for the woman's experience and not treating her like a blowup doll. At least, that's the overall sentiment that I caught from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 08:03 PM
1

Suck on that clit. Recurring theme for me has been "leave the fucking thing alone until it's almost time, then instant-push-button-orgasm".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:58 PM
2

Why would TBP give advice on how to do the thing they're making fun of?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:54 PM
4

The convoluted nonsense in these comments is...well, not unexpected, but the idea of the concept of "respect" being gender-skewed is ridiculous and an unnecessary extrapolation of how most people likely feel about it. The idea that men treat other men that they respect with vulgar regard, and that women would never want that package deal, is hilarious though. News flash, your respect for your friends and your tendency to fart in their faces are not conflated. Now, you can barbarize it by saying …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 07:01 PM
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Well man, I hope for the best. Contrary to the TRP mantra, I've known a lot of people with "sketchy" pasts that go on to be perfectly functional adults in both an economic and emotional sense. I have, of course, known a lot that have failed to do so, and no one could call you judgmental for taking those things into consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 06:52 PM
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Bro, even with what is a reasonably detailed run-down, we still don't know the particulars of this woman. The "BP" advice, though, is that ultimately neither do you when you get right down to it, and being in relationships is about trust. If you can't trust the other person, then it's not a relationship, it's a business transaction. So just ask yourself if this person is 1) able to be trusted, and 2) worth the potential risk. You're the only person who can possibly make this call...and you might…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 06:37 PM
0

Because TRP philosophy is mutually exclusive with that idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 10:30 PM
1

It's internally inconsistent?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 08:31 PM
1

Because it's not about the possible negative influences you give off, now is it? It's about "I want pussy".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 08:26 PM
1

Bill Cosby had a surefire method. Don't really recommend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 07:42 PM
0

Not really the point there, chief.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 07:41 PM
1

Inferring that traits common to all women cannot be nurture.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 06:03 AM
1

Replace "doctor" with "tech support dude" and it's still true for many, many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 06:02 AM
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Most guys are needy. Most guys don't know how to converse with women. Most guys can't hold eye contact without staring her up and down like a tree. Most guys put women on the pedestal, so guys who follow TRP have a major advantage. So because these men suck with women, that means the only possible solution to the problem is to compartmentalize them and adopt an adversarial approach to dealing with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 05:55 AM
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I'm evading it because I have no idea what it has to do with what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 05:49 AM
0

That was quite a tangent. My point still stands. Guys around the world who are not Brad Pitt seem to have healthy sex lives with women without adhering to Red Pill principles. So either Red Pill are simply existentially challenged because they're not banging 10s on the reg...or they're just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 05:42 AM
1

The fact that it has no bearing on what we're talking about, for starters.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 10:16 PM
1

Okay, so price of tea in China then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 09:47 PM
1

Legal nonsense aside, I don't see the difficulty in assessing when it is acceptable to pursue and when it isn't. I really do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 09:47 PM
3

"Prove your method works" is moving the goalposts? Oh boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 09:45 PM
2

I'm guessing you haven't dated many women or interacted with them on a sexual level. Just keeps coming back to this with you guys, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 09:44 PM
4

I'm sure there's plenty of legitimate data chronicling the success of RP marriages against the rest of us heathens. :kappa:
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 08:39 PM
2

That's a poor analogy unless you legitimately consider women to be total enigmas who don't have the slightest ounce of rational, familiar humanity in them (oh wait, according to TRP doctrine...)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 08:38 PM
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The idea that maybe the issues that drove them to Red Pillism are more internalized and psychologically complex than "AWALT" is...well, it's just not very popular. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 05:06 PM
5

How do you explain those of us who are finally able to have long, stable, satisfying LTR's? Welcome to the rest of society?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 05:04 PM
3

Because there's no meaningful distinction when you say "not all women are really like that", but then treat all women like they are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 04:58 PM
3

I'm enjoying watching people squirm in response to the idea that a bloop mindset can be sexually healthy/satisfying. Good show.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 04:54 PM
1

"We might view women as different, inferior, or a hundered other things. We might call them names. We might be mean and nasty. But we still believe they are humans, and we believe humans have rights even if they are different, inferior, or a hundred other things". . Egalitarian doctrines maintain that all humans are equal in fundamental worth or social status, according to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. That took me two seconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 10:00 PM
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And liking sex has nothing to do with beliefs on equal rights either. What's your point ? That because we talk about women we must not want equal rights for them ? Does that mean the white sox fans might not want equal rights for Yankee fans by the same logic ? Man, either you've got a real reading comprehension problem or you argue in the worst faith of anyone I've ever seen. Saying TRP "talks about women" is same level of ambiguity as saying radical feminists "talk about gender issues". No. As…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 07:15 PM
1

Ah I see. So because baseball affliccianado's don't have an official position on equal rights you assume they're all for removing rights from people ? No, it means you can't say "baseball aficionados are specifically for equal rights under the law", because liking baseball has nothing to do with their beliefs on that subject. As to the "race realism" ... You know that this explicitly means a group that believes races are different, That's the clinical definition of it, yes. but explicitly exclud…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 06:34 PM
1

First of all, TRP has no official or implied stance on equality of rights, and given that some of the members of that sub are heavily into "race realism", I wouldn't go so far as to wipe your collective hands completely clean of that idea. But secondly, and more importantly, equality of opportunity is exactly what I am referencing.The law does not care who fills the opportunities society provides (except for things like affirmative action), so it's not a legal issue. TRP thinks women are mentall…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 06:04 PM
1

Can't you see how desperately poor and clutching at straws your argument has become How are you talking about straws when you keep misrepresenting my position as accusing TRPers of wanting to legally gag women? Are you having a bad day over there, TGP? Is it raining? Do you need some coffee?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 05:48 PM
1

Given the large prevalence of MRA sympathy on TRP, I really don't think they care what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 05:20 PM
1

I didn't say a single thing about what women like to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 05:16 PM
-2

I'm sure you're going to pitch me something deeply profound and philosophically stimulating as the answer. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 05:12 PM
2

A) You don't understand the point of the phrase "putting it on a pedestal". no u B) Acting as if a man should not prioritize what he was born to do is just yet more anti-sex rationalizing from the bloop near-virgin squad. Marginalizing women is not what men were "born to do", but thanks. If you were, say, a dealer in art & antiquities because you love painting and sculpture and history, I would not tell you to stop prioritizing art, because that would be stupid. And, I would not claim you were p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 05:09 PM
1

TRP do not believe women are capable of assuming the same responsibilities of men, and so they believe in relegating women to their "traditional" role. There. Nice and concise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 03:10 PM
11

Men don't get upset because men are programmed/taught not to feel threatened - it simply doesn't intimidate them because they don't believe repercussion is coming their way, or they believe that they can handle whatever comes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 03:05 PM
1

You said "basic human rights", not equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 03:02 PM
1

So by what stabdArd are you telling me that either RP, or the TRP sub, believes women should be denied basic human rights. I'm not...which is what I just said. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 02:41 PM
1

Women cannot rationally think is a common theme on TRP. Women should be denied basic human right is not. You are the one conflating the two, not me. I don't recall saying or implying that at all, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 02:35 PM
0

Don't mean they don't deserve human rights...I don't think anyone is proposing that, say, we amend the 1st amendment (or the un UDoHR) so as to remove women's right to speak freely. Even if they did they wouldn't form a part of RP theory or model. Don't see how that's terribly relevant, considering TRP aren't terribly threatened by what women say anyhow. :P Although, if you're standard for "what RP is" is "if Someone said on TRP at least once, it's RP" .... Then you can count almost anything as …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 02:26 PM
3

Prioritizing pussy as the most significant source of validation in your life is, in fact, putting it on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 02:15 PM
2

RP is egalitarian in that sense (and the recent survey confirmed it when 80% of PPD posters selected egalitarian despite the site being RP dominated). Because it believes men are humans, and that woman are humans too and so rights and responsibilities, as humans, should be equally assigned to both. That might be what you believe, but I'd make a hard case against that being the prevailing sentiment of TRP, given that women are classically described by RPers as inferior beings who are incapable of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 02:09 PM
3

I have a throbbing misanthropy underneath a pleasant disposition. I need a girl with a sarcastic smile.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 05:47 PM
16

Women have two X's, which is closer to three X's, which means that women actually have higher sex drives.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 05:21 PM
2

Yeah, and we purport to be better than that, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 05:18 PM
1

I'm not sure I understand TGP/cuittler's disagreement. A man could die in those days from causes that have absolutely nothing to do with how good or bad his genes were - violent conflict, virulent disease, killed by a wild animal, natural disaster, etc. We don't have anything that talks about men taking off, so I have no idea where this "jealousy gene" thing is supposed to be coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 02:59 PM
6

Christ almighty IT'S NATURE AND NUTURE can we stop arguing about this inane topic
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 02:15 PM
1

So your judgment of who's biased is solely based on whose side the person takes?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 01:10 PM
0

I think that's all women, according to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 01:09 PM
-5

No, dude. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 06:28 PM
1

It is clear cut in that instance, but that's also a total caricature.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 06:25 PM
1

I'm not trying to excuse it, but the narrative that a nameless/faceless feminist decries SAHMs because she's an evil shill of the New Feminist Order doesn't really help us understand things.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:56 PM
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Aggressive feminists look at SAHMs as Uncle Toms. Bashing someone's life choice that makes them happy is a shit thing to do, but I severely doubt it's ever so clear-cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 03:52 PM
1

So you're suggesting that speaking from personal experience = being biased? Not sure how anyone's ever supposed to give casual advice if we're going on that principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 03:47 PM
7

Nobody who is invested in the debate cares about the "why", though. You ever try asking a Red Piller why it's so important that they sleep with as many hot girls as is feasibly possible? It will get reduced to something like "because that's what my nature tells me to do" and it's an uninteresting finish for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 07:59 PM
9

Well, that certainly implies one particular possibility...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 06:34 PM
1

Well, you can rest your hat on that I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 06:04 PM
2

Pretty sure this exact type of response is considered BP behavior by OP. :P
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 06:00 PM
10

I think you're vastly overstating the complexity of the actual core beliefs of RP, unless you think the entire field of psychology (or, fuck it, anthropology) goes along with RP, in which case almost nobody here has the authority to speak on anything related to the issue. But, I also think you're just treating this like someone who's new to the scene. BPers and RPers have beaten the horse so dead that it's fossilized by now, and all that's left is the hyperbole. They just fundamentally disagree,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 05:44 PM
1

It happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 09:21 PM
1

While you are actually correct, I'm going to assume that you didn't actually know you were correct, and therefore that was just a childish schoolyard insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 09:13 PM
1

Oh yeah, I know [deleted], good friend of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 07:26 PM
1

No one said evo psych doesn't reliably predict human behavior. The contention that one absolutely cannot be truly happy unless they're acting as much like an animal as possible, and also that people would even want to be treated in that context (read: AWALT).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 05:14 PM
2

Even if they were, the point of relationships is to try to make them as non-adversarial as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 08:51 PM
2

What in god's name does any of that have to do with what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 08:46 PM
2

Bonding experiences involve covert power dynamics whether we like them or not. I'm pretty sure bonding experiences are the literal opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 08:07 PM
4

Sounds more like an iota to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 05:18 PM
1

Third wave feminism is trying to change things that are not necessarily able to be measured via any conceivable metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 05:11 PM
1

Or it might be because describing human beings in terms of being alpha or beta is moronic, but I choose to be agreeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 11:04 PM
1

This is literally the worst interpretation of what science is I've ever heard. Holy shitballs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 10:25 PM
1

The sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 10:16 PM
1

It does when you treat your relationship like a competitive venture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 10:16 PM
1

lol So "science" = a chemistry set and some white lab coats, alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 09:59 PM
1

...Engineering isn't based on science?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 09:54 PM
1

If "RP things" include sweeping generalizations based on horseshit evidence, then no, you shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 09:33 PM
1

Which is why I said "it's fine".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 09:30 PM
1

You can play Anecdote Gladiator all you want, if it suits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 09:20 PM
2

Red Pillers don't advocate antipathy, but they definitely advocate apathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:53 PM
1

Which is fine if you view your SO as a commodity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:51 PM
1

Alphas don't commit by definition. And if we're viewing this as a matter of what women can get out of men, rather than what women can extort out of men like most TRPers seem to believe, then that completely changes the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:46 PM
0

I don't think the lack of human ability to regenerate lost body parts is the relevant factor, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:43 PM
0

Your penis is more of a representation of who you are than the money that shows how hard you've worked to become successful? H'oh boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:39 PM
1

Yeah, it would. Fortunately, that's a complete red herring and not a stipulation of what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:32 PM
0

AFBB says otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:27 PM
1

Go ahead and reconcile leverage with emotional vulnerability. Try as hard as you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:26 PM
1

We're using failing relationships as the standard for how relationships are? Dark.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:26 PM
-1

I'm fairly certain that two couples who make exactly the same salary, have exactly the same hobbies/interests, have exactly the same backgrounds, have exactly the same genetics, have exactly the same sexual drives, have exactly the same social context, have exactly the same friends, etc. is not the implied context either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:25 PM
0

Rather arbitrary, but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:24 PM
0

You're skewing the subject. A relationship is not equal when one partner is asserting themselves over the other. As it turns out, this element is notably absent in many relationships out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:57 PM
1

They are not valued for who they are, they are mainly valued for what resources they can provide. Not sure how this doesn't also count toward r-types, given that women use them solely for their dick (according to TRP).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:52 PM
1

Because leverage and trust are mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:49 PM
4

Because in order for a relationship to be fair the fear of divorce also needs to be close Well this is just more evidence in my bag that Red Pillers think of relationships as business transactions, while the rest of us actually view them as bonding experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:20 PM
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I'm fairly certain that two couples who make exactly the same salary down to the last cent is not the implied context when someone uses the phrase "equal in a relationship".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:05 PM
-1

It most certainly does not, because I don't claim that "someone never has the upper hand".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:39 PM
0

Solid statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:45 PM
-1

Going all the way back to 3rd grade, are we? Peachy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:41 PM
1

I really have no time for "I had this experience one time and so did like these other two guys I met at Confirmation Bias Club" stories, especially when they're utterly sideways to the point I was getting across. But since you're so intent on changing the subject, please explain to me why you're trying to embody the characteristics of people you hate, so that you can get with them. Because I can't even hold all of that psychological baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:39 PM
1

There's a difference between actual, definitional Red Pill material, and things that Red Pillers reference & cherry pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:24 PM
2

Someone is always with the upper hand. Repeating this over and over again is not going to make it true, folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:18 PM
0

Let me go grab a field report. Those are valid to you guys, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:16 PM
0

Red Pill has the curiously dissonant property of trying to understand women without attempting to analyze how they feel (because that's for beta fags m i rite). It's akin to a doctor attempting to understand human disease without the use of an x-ray machine, without the use of surgery, etc. - just observing the body from the outside, and going from there. News flash, boys. If taking a more cooperative approach with women - rather than an adversarial one - compromises your ability to "hold frame"…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 03:10 PM
-1

TRP is popular because it's a clubhouse. Not because it works. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 02:53 PM
0

AWALT is the keystone of all TRP theory. Remove that and it all completely falls apart. Not that it was terribly cogent to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 05:11 PM
0

Considering I just had a conversation in the PPD IRC in which an Asian maintained that Asians living in the U.S. usually go for other Asians...no.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 07:00 AM
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Nobody is contending that fucking someone who gives the visceral impression of being "high market value" isn't thrilling. The contention is that women are brainless sex zombies with no dignity and no differentiation when an attractive male comes around.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 06:05 AM
1

I know absolutely nothing about this person, and I will continue to know very little about them after you name off three or four "undesirable traits" that prevent them from ever seeing pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 05:34 AM
1

lol @ statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 05:33 AM
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The only thing that impedes a guy from getting his dick wet is his own standards or expectations. Do you want to be fucking total dimes every Friday night and not even have to know their names? Be Brad Pitt. Do you want to get your penis into a vagina? That, as it were, is easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 02:59 AM
0

You're right, I'm not thinking of the quadriplegics, I'm being very inconsiderate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 02:28 AM
1

Usually when someone says "I can and have," it's fairly idiotic to say, "you can't and you have not".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 02:03 AM
1

"Extract" would be a more apt term, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 09:44 PM
1

That's interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:28 PM
-1

I want the sex to present itself how it presents itself to chads. I don't want to go to an escorts home, be presented with a fake smile, fake desire, and fake sex. I have some bad news for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:14 PM
3

But really, is that any different from a social justice community with Marxist idiots and where people frequently write "#KillAllMen" and "male tears"? So you're suggesting that TRP embodying the polar opposite of this sentiment is "really not that bad"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:13 PM
3

Maybe it's because people say "feminism is this dumb blog I found on the internet."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:11 PM
2

That was one line in a laundry list of "I'm timid and I'm not like everyone else".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:07 PM
1

I'm not sure how that is, considering I can spin it right around and say "why don't you recognize that having a mother is a huge predictor of success" since mothers are (usually) part of the two-parent system.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:03 PM
8

Pretty sure that's not what he was saying at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:55 PM
1

Oh yes. Stunning analogy for what's happening here. But let's also remember that you specifically said, "I'm not interested in paying for sex," so as I told another user in this thread, it's not about the sex. It's about how you want the sex to present itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:53 PM
1

*Having two parents
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:48 PM
0

A shitty pop song? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:47 PM
3

You are complaining about how "different" you are when a lot of metalheads I know are the sluttiest people I've ever heard of. So no, that's not an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:45 PM
-1

You are full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:40 PM
1

I fail to see how this is relevant to the point I was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:40 PM
0

Yes. It's insanely fucking easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:36 PM
3

I think people want sex to come to them in a certain way, and if they don't get it that way, their ego isn't satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:49 AM
3

I have no idea what group you think you're accusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:48 AM
2

LOOK GUYS I FOUND IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE THAT ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE FUCKING NUTJOBS JUST BY LOOKING SOMETHING UP ON THE INTERNET
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 06:21 AM
1

stop projecting ur rite sorry bro
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 06:03 AM
2

I'm not not having sex because I can't get it. I'm not having it because although I have a healthy sex drive, I don't like flings. They make me feel dirty.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 06:03 AM
1

My beef with PUA is exactly the same as my beef with TRP - the "improvement" angle is not that you are eager to share your new-found confidence in yourself with other people, it's that you are bitterly driven to use a facade you've developed to get what you want, like the rest of these people owe you something for just how much you've "suffered".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 04:55 AM
2

Middle class white people are bored and keep finding new nonsense ways to define themselves. That's about all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 04:53 AM
6

I don't subscribe to the idea of "involuntary celibacy" unless you are literally Sloth from The Goonies or chained up in a basement by the non-perverted kind of psycho.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 04:52 AM
7

I went 22 years without it to start, I think I can handle a year or two in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 04:19 AM
5

Feminism looks to remove "should" from the equation completely - such that a woman can choose to be a homemaker and an absolute prude, or a porn star and an absolute slut, and not have to worry about someone telling them "you're living your life wrong".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 04:15 AM
2

*Having two parents
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 04:11 AM
1

Well that's not quite what I said at all, now is it teeay?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 10:02 PM
-1

Women are responsible for becoming single mothers. TIL: All single mothers should immediately put their kids up for adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 10:00 PM
0

"Poverty" Now we're thinking with portals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 09:52 PM
1

Except you forgot to take the "correlation" part to heart, since you are implicitly blaming women for this (and please don't pretend you're not).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 09:51 PM
0

um @ the correlation was your entire point
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 09:39 PM
0

lol @ assuming criminals are borne from single mothers, rather than from shitty parenting in general
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 09:35 PM
1

wtf DO ME, DO ME, ME NEXT
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 09:24 PM
0

Ah yes, Meghan Trainor, second only to Socrates in philosophical eminence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 09:14 PM
-2

The study is data. It does not attempt to provide context.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 08:22 PM
0

Most of them are probably opinionated dillholes, like the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 08:15 PM
-2

And what exactly was your interpretation of my original post?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 08:12 PM
1

Only if you're a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 08:11 PM
0

Absolutely. It just so happens that the most honest interpretation possible of most Red Pill statements happens to be the very thing I vehemently disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 07:51 PM
-4

I think the better question here is why did you skew it so fucking terribly in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 07:31 PM
-1

I fail to see what is difficult to understand. Men largely do not feel intimidated by women, so they let control-freaking slide to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 07:09 PM
1

Yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 07:06 PM
1

How many girls fuck & dump guys? Don't be dense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 06:31 PM
0

I wouldn't pretend to know, though if we assume your typical gender demographic, I'd wager that women have had it happen to them more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 06:18 PM
2

Which is fine for the sake of taking things to their logical conclusions, but what kind of person treats their personal relationships like bank transactions?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 06:14 PM
2

I doubt surgery is going to be of any use to you. Acne regiments that work are out there, you just have to do some digging, probably around /r/SkincareAddiction as those people have it down to an obsession. As far as the rest of the stuff goes...as always, man, if you're not happy with yourself, then trying to extract happiness out of what other people can do for you is pointless. You have to work on yourself first, and then introduce the new you to everyone else. Internalize happiness, then sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 06:00 PM
1

It's almost like people join gender-skewed "support" groups not because they're looking for an avenue of rational grievance, but because they're melodramatic aspies who need someone to listen to them bark.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 05:48 PM
6

DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE?!??! [/Axl]
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 05:45 PM
1

I guess. Call it "acquaintances with benefits".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 05:43 PM
0

Sex with someone you don't really fraternize with otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 05:40 PM
-2

Going all the way back to 2nd grade with that one, are we?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 05:39 PM
0

Of course it can happen, because as it happens there's someone out there for every BPer and every TRPer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 05:01 PM
2

The point is that if you reduce TRP to neat little harmless soundbytes, the difference between TRP and BP collapses completely - and no TRPer will say they operate like a BPer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 05:00 PM
0

Just giving what I get.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 03:27 PM
-1

/r/conspiratard is that way ~~~~>
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 03:10 PM
7

Then I must be the most Red Pill person there ever was.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 03:01 PM
2

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck guys he's going to do it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 03:00 PM
5

That's correct. Because when you are holding frame, everything is a business transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 02:33 PM
0

I suppose, although the specific characteristics of my ideal partner have almost nothing to do with them, and everything to do with how I feel about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 02:18 PM
-6

You realize that line was paraphrasing a more subtle mindset, right? Nevermind, I forget where I am sometimes when I make these arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 02:18 PM
7

So we are going to pretend, then? You don't exercise love while "holding frame". Sorry, that's not how it works. You can definitely arrange an ego-quenching partnership with a total dime that you scored getting your swell on at the gym, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 02:15 PM
0

Settling doesn't mean anything to me, personally, because I will never do it. That's the dictionary definition of "settling", though - not getting what you initially wanted. The nuance lies beneath the surface.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 02:06 PM
1

They don't have college courses for "Seal Teamaus' Existential Life Secrets". They do for arithmetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 02:04 PM
9

Self-dominance, maybe. But are we really going to set here and pretend that TRP philosophy doesn't include dominance of others, the social engineering of one's peers and significant other? 'Cause the Red Pill way is curiously hellbent on making sure a man has absolutely no vulnerabilities...you know, that thing that's the key to true personal intimacy. It is, in fact, about insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 02:01 PM
6

Settling, IMHOtep, is simply the point at which natural human loneliness outweighs a person's idealism about relationships. How far one settles is a case-by-case matter, as is what they are settling over, but eventually people just want a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 01:54 PM
-4

Where? I looked for it everywhere as a kid. Where is it that impressionable young men are taught actionable, workable advice on attraction, male and female nature, what women find attractive, etc.? I found only ONE place where it's taught. TRP. Maybe because you're specifically looking for something that the rest of society doesn't want to provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 01:46 PM
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It's almost like you can't base your entire life philosophy off of a few stupid articles on the internet - that it might be something everyone has to figure out on their own. Breathe, Red Pillers, I know it's a lot to take in.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 01:45 PM
-6

Probably because men don't typically view women as "threatening", whereas the reverse is often true. "Honey, I'm tracking where you go via a GPS system on your phone." "Heh, whatever. I'm still the man here and I have the power in the end."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 01:40 PM
1

Whether or not you believe feminism is trying to make up historically lost ground versus men is a completely different topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 01:04 PM
-4

You know I'm going to disagree with every piece of that post so I'm not sure why you're asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 06:16 AM
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Feminism (especially, but not only, the 3rd wave) has pretty much exclusively downsides. That might be because it's not for your benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 11:33 PM
0

Then there's your answer to your 'circular logic' question. You have defined an action (controlling others) as bad, and also defined that same action as masculine, and then you use those definitions to "prove" masculinity is bad. That's Begging The Question by its very definition: a circular argument in which the conclusion is included in the premise. While I'm happy that you managed to get the definition of begging the question (why TRPers constantly capitalize non-proper nouns is absolutely be…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 09:02 PM
1

Go figure! Well it was a lovely one, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 08:57 PM
0

It doesn't matter whether you use your feminine wiles* or your fists, it's still a masculine behavior to control others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 08:33 PM
2

I recently saw somewhere (not sure where, could've even been in this sub) someone who made an analogy for mature modes of thinking by using Civil War stances. In a person's initial ignorance, they'll perpetuate the idea that the Civil War was basically about slavery. As they become more learned, and more stuffy as a result, they'll ferociously contend that among the Civil War's causes, northern "bullying" was by far the most prominent cause. Then, as they become hard and wise, they'll come to re…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 08:32 PM
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This is circular logic. You say masculinity is bad by defining masculinity with bad traits, and then point to those traits to prove its badness. You say femininity is good by defining femininity with good traits, and then point to those traits to prove its goodness. It is a disingenuous approach to the topic. Okay. Draw me a circle. With arrows, and everything. Then show me precisely how what I said is "circular logic".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 08:19 PM
0

I think Dietyz has a very salient point that you're missing. Recorded history is primarily comprised of the powerful bullying the powerless (or simply "less powerful") into cooperating to achieve the goals set by the powerful. Which, usually, is to expand and entrench their own power. Occasionally it is to support the masses, but only in as much as strengthening the powerless achieves the goals of the powerful. I don't think I'm missing the point. No single man has power, he only capitalizes on …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 08:09 PM
1

I already like this post on Robert E. Lee. "Those who are against endemic racial slavery, well they're the REAL racists!"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 08:04 PM
-1

Your implied context was someone doing what they needed to survive. Not to quench their thirsty ego and primal baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:46 PM
1

"Fear of life". Well, that might do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:44 PM
1

Luckily for us, we all have the same desires on Maslow's lower rungs, and from there up we can more or less ignore each other most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:37 PM
2

Well, history is like a lot of subjects in that regard - those who look to it to support an agenda are usually those who know fuck all about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:34 PM
-1

Toxic women is another matter entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:32 PM
-1

"Resourcefulness" is not an engendered trait either, so no, not a particularly good example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:23 PM
-1

Rome's a funny one, since the empire fell only after adopting Christianity and attempting to shed all the rampant hedonism that some people seem to think was a key factor in its toppling...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:21 PM
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lol, come on dude TRP doesn't generalize by category, they generalize anything with a vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:51 PM
-1

Toxic femininity? How is emotional empathy and nurturing toxic? Masculinity directly involves the need to dominate. That is toxic. Please proceed with your recklessly extrapolated examples of women using their "femininity" (which in reality will just be masculine traits veneered in female circumstance) in a way that is toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:48 PM
-1

This would be a real example of what that other guy was talking about in that being "protective" has multiple connotations which can apply to both femininity and masculinity. Ultimately, however, masculine protection involves physical violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:44 PM
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Those characteristics are the inherent antonym of femininity, which is nurturing. A woman can embody masculine traits, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:41 PM
-1

As I was saying in the face of overwhelming evidence women simply cannot contribute meaningfully to history because they can't "create", don't-cha know.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:39 PM
-1

I'll forgive you, since you're probably drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 05:32 PM
-1

Which was obviously a result of an increase testosterone in the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 05:32 PM
-2

You can't logically say that "masculinity is destructive by nature" and then say creation is neither masculine or feminine. It's not a fucking magnet where there has to be two poles at all times, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 05:27 PM
-2

Why can't you have it both ways? Because it's contradictory. No it isn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 05:23 PM
-2

And why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 05:17 PM
-1

The idea of "cooperation" in this instance is loose, as social power structures dominate all of recorded human history and probably a while before that, too. But as they say, you're not a king without a kingdom, and revolutions happen all the time. Society is still governed by the social contract more than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:53 PM
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Actually I think exactly the opposite, but you and I are disagreeing on what masculine or feminine traits are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:32 PM
1

I guess after that I'll play some Call of Duty and then waltz through the Westpoint exams.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:16 PM
1

So men don't do landscaping or tend to their sick children, and women don't build things or face their fears. You are literally not even wrong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:01 PM
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Creation isn't gender "neutral", it's gender irrelevant. The only thing humans create through innate imperative is children. However, femininity is nurturing, and masculinity is violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:43 PM
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"The maternal materia is one that gives life, the one that cultivates and nurtures and brings into fruition and fullness, it is clearly the pole of sexual forces that is responsible for creation." See, I can bullshit too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:38 PM
-1

Because it's a complete non sequitur?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:29 PM
-2

Horse shit. Creation is neither a masculine nor feminine attribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:23 PM
1

Masculinity is fine as long as you exercise it in the appropriate venues, like in a sports arena - or even in the bedroom, where it serves very well, indeed. Masculinity is not fine when it's used to intimidate, manipulate, abuse, or control people in their everyday lives...aspects that are fairly inlaid within the concept itself. I have no idea about the demographics because I don't participate in any feminist circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:22 PM
0

So we're talking about nothing, essentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:59 PM
0

Except human society doesn't function via evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:55 PM
4

Having previously worked as a professional goldsmith, Gutenberg made skillful use of the knowledge of metals he had learned as a craftsman. He was the first to make type from an alloy of lead, tin, and antimony, which was critical for producing durable type that produced high-quality printed books and proved to be much better suited for printing than all other known materials. Keep going, buddy. This is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:49 PM
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The ground, I'm pretty sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:39 PM
0

lmfao are we really going to do this "If I make this phenomenon totally omnipresent by default, there's no way you can say it doesn't apply in your example!"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:38 PM
2

The printing press. Your turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:25 PM
-1

It makes perfect sense... -Twlight Zone theme-
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:16 PM
-2

checkmate, atheists
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 01:44 PM
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I'm going to completely ignore the article and just address the general question when I say that the roots of masculinity are sewn in competition, aggression, and violence; anything that has trickled down from there is residual. I play hockey, and I love everything about it, especially the violence. Thankfully, however, I understand that because masculinity is a destructive force by nature, it's inappropriate to exercise those tendencies in one's general life, since you can't resolve office conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 01:34 PM
5

Maybe your father has seen some shit and doesn't want his son falling into the trappings of someone with the personality of a shriveled raisin.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:41 AM
3

My terms would be the same regardless of my gender and regardless of my partner's gender. Anyone I am with needs to be growing as a person, learning, experiencing, and helping me to develop myself as well. A steady job is not necessarily a must to fulfill those things, but the vast majority of people I know who have their shit together have jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 01:54 AM
1

Study is dumb because gamers hate anyone who is better than them. You ever hear a 12-year-old American anytime a British person enters the lobby? "GO TO THE DENTIST YOU SNAGGLE-TOOTHED TEA-DRINKING FAGGOT"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 03:42 PM
1

At least PUA is honest - they don't drudge on with the tedious, extrapolated moralizing to justify their actively seeking what both groups are ultimately after, which is pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 03:03 PM
1

But I definitely see it, and not as "sexism against women in disguise". It's a genuine adoration of women and belief that they are special. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. It is absolutely possible to adore a thing and consider it precious, while still subconsciously viewing it as not even being in the conversation when it comes to personal agency and ability to achieve in a way that you yourself recognize.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 02:49 PM
0

This is the common ground I was looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 02:42 PM
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History has proven many, many times that you can be morally questionable and still get everything you desire, so I'm sure that TRP helps some of its acolytes get poon.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 02:11 PM
2

I don't buy this. Men aren't taught that women > men, they're simply taught a more subtle version of sexism - that women need to be coddled, and are generally harmless and outside the bounds of life-competition, so there's no drawback to building them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 02:06 PM
2

You know, other women exist besides frail, ghostly Tumblr chicks with purple streaks in their hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 09:29 PM
5

Losing weight is a huge part of getting fit. You can also get cut without getting big.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 07:11 PM
5

You have never really lifted. Getting ripped requires extreme dedication and all the effort you have to discipline yourself. Read some transformation stories before you make comments like that. He said "fit", not "bodybuilder".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 06:52 PM
0

Most (visible) feminists are young middle class white women. But what kind of work are young middle class white men doing? Web designing, coffee baristas, etc. Those men in the same position in life are not working factory jobs either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 05:03 PM
1

Everything you've seen in real life, or on the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 02:41 PM
0

o well okay
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 01:54 PM
1

The ironic part is that feminism is fighting to give women the same level of "disposability", yet men don't want to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 01:15 PM
0

Explain to me what was "Red Pill" about what you just said.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 12:11 AM
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Congratulations, you have officially proved that Red Pill is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 11:48 PM
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I don't reject that idea at all. What I do reject is the idea that one man didn't succeed because he didn't treat the girl like a child. Maybe if TRP didn't take rejection as being abnormal, even for "alpha dogs"...because news flash, buddy, it's the most normal thing there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 06:59 PM
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Ok that's great you've had a lot of sex whilst being kind and courteous. Meanwhile guys who look no better than them, act completely different and get laid every night. Inconsistency, ahoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 06:40 PM
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When is the last time you, as a TRPer, actually combined the concepts of being a legitimately kind, courteous person AND being aesthetically pleasing (do u even l0ft) with a little bit of sexual charm? I'm going to venture a guess and say "never".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 06:30 PM
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Once again we come to the inevitable fork in the road where one person says, "I've had plenty of sex without having to resort to being a callous, scheming asshole," and then someone like you pops out from under the nearest rock and says (paraphrasing of course), "NUH-UUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 06:24 PM
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I don't see the divide here. Society encourages people to be kind, courteous, AND sexually competent. It's not impossible to be all of these things at once. Actually, it's pretty damn easy when you don't bog yourself down with - wait for it - overzealous ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 05:44 PM
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There’s a freedom to that – I wouldn’t trade my quiet morning walks for the hellishness of my teen years for anything. But when you’re brought up to feel that the most important thing you can be is attractive to men, the absence of their attention – even negative attention – can feel distressing. Whoa, it's almost like...it makes perfect psychological sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 05:33 PM
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We are open and honest about our character and goals. LOL okay we're done here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 12:58 PM
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"Women" = human beings with a vagina "Hos" = women with a specific behavior set So of course you can nail down a generalization of a group of people who already fit the mold of what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 08:04 PM
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Oh please, do explain what in the world this has to do with what I just said.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 07:25 PM
2

I've seen (not really experienced, per se) things that conform to what TRP says, and I've seen things that have told the exact opposite story.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 06:00 PM
2

Oh lord. There are two kinds of personal relationships. The first kind is based on one fundamental principle: TRUST. That means that you never, ever truly worm your way inside a person and get to see how their gears turn. It means that you can never, ever truly bet your life on someone doing what you expect them to. But you do anyway, because that trust is the vulnerability that makes us feel connected to another person. Without trust, you cut out a huge chunk of intimacy. That's why relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 04:05 PM
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I like when a woman plays hard to get only after a mutual interest has been locked in. Before I know if I've made headway or not, it's a complete waste of time. There's also a right way and a wrong way to do it, the right way being that you are actively engaged and responding to the other person, sort of playing the game with them instead of just playing goalie.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 03:35 PM
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Article is dumb, guy is dumb. Being a generous and compassionate lover has never been about sacrificing your own principles and happiness. If you want to have an open relationship, do it because you're into open relationships, not because you're trying to appease your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 03:28 PM
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The halo effect has nothing to do with it, because a one-night stand is still more or less a "first impression" - you don't deal with the person after that or learn anything more about them, so there's no bias involved. Also lol @ TRPers being automatic sex gods
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 05:40 AM
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Your point? That people were happy being manipulated because they didn't know they were being manipulated? Your point is Cypher? One guy vs. however many thousands of people were in Zion? You have no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 04:58 AM
1

And what happened at the end of the trilogy? Neo made a truce with the Architect, where the system kept the plugged-in where they were so the unplugged could live without being attacked. Because he was forced to. Not because he wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 04:28 AM
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Pretty sure there was a movie about this. What was it called? Oh yeah. The Matrix.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 03:57 AM
2

"Manipulation" and "morally questionable" were a package deal in that sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 11:29 PM
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Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 10:39 PM
2

Just because a particular person is a "consenting adult" doesn't mean that what's happening isn't manipulation or otherwise morally questionable (see: polygamy). It's a case-by-case basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:52 PM
0

Thanks for the insight.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 08:47 PM
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Nice try, Pole. Except it's not about deciding whether "women" have agency, it's about deciding whether "a woman" has agency. Because once again, you're pulling the wool over the entire female species with the way you talk and the way you consider things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 07:37 PM
2

Nobody said TRP was wrong about the way some people behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 04:18 AM
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Because Red Pill is, by definition, selfish. It has absolutely no interest in determining whether a girl is mentally mature enough to be a participant in their "game". Red Pill isn't looking to foster a kind of symbiotic relationship, it only assumes that is the case through a laissez-faire capitalist-style mindset. You think the American people consciously chose Walmart as their collective retail representative? Walmart exacerbated the worst tendencies of people as well as abused certain econom…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 04:09 AM
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The friend zone was always about dating. The ladder theory was about sex. All the "nice guy" stuff I presumed was about the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:48 PM
1

Stop Being a Fucking Idiot by Orlando Winters. (I haven't read this but the title is nice)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 02:31 PM
1

I don't make it my mission to profile everyone who goes to the TRP sub. That said, you ever wonder why there aren't any field reports about failures? Not too high on the idea that it's because TRPers have legendary undefeated streaks, either...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 02:27 PM
1

Anger is vengeance, it is bitterness, and it is hatred. Perhaps you can eliminate an evil with anger, but unless by sheer accident, you can never construct something truly good with it. TRP is right that shedding anger is important - it is wrong in leading men from anger into righteous indignation, a slower-burning anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 09:55 PM
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A generalization is, by default, supported via anecdotes. That's all you need to know about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 09:49 PM
1

They've lost control. It's unstoppable now. Hide your manhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 08:57 PM
1

I don't know, man. Those creepy body pillows...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 08:46 PM
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Rich and famous people are often headcases (it's heads or tails as to which one causes the other), and heacases attract other headcases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 07:26 PM
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The return address will be labeled 1234 Life-Is-Not-That-Bad-You-Pansy Drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 07:24 PM
0

That may or may not be true. You shouldn't broadstroke people, but you also shouldn't be blind to what sort of people go clubbing on the reg. Naturally you're bound to find some good girls at a grocery store because literally everyone has to go to the grocery store at some point, but also literally no one I have ever heard of goes to a grocery store thinking, "I'm gonna get laid tonight".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 07:23 PM
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So if she weighs 300lbs (because of an endocrine disorder) and has cystic acne you are totally cool with that? Physical attraction is for getting your foot in the door. Maybe I initially pass by her because of it, I will never know that. But really, what's your point? We're talking about ideal partners, not what our best idea of settling is. Good luck with that. Could you send me a postcard from La La Land? Should I address it to Fukitol Village?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 07:19 PM
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A person can act "big" without having a Napolean complex, so I don't see that it would be an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 06:41 PM
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My idea of a perfect mate is a person who takes care of themselves because they love physical activity, it's not really about physical attractiveness for me. A fat person, to me, says "I choose not to use this wonderful gift of a physical body to experience life", and that is incredibly sacrilegious in my eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 05:58 PM
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Eh. There's vitriol in online games, but it's not misogynistic by nature, it is absolutely equal-opportunity. Take a bunch of American 12-year-olds on Call Of Duty - if they happen to come across a person with a Gaelic accent, they will immediately start screaming "FUCKING FRECKLE-FACED GINGER FAGGOT, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A SOUL, FUCK YOU". It's not real hate towards Celtic people, it's just latching onto a difference and exploiting it for the purpose of being a mean little shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 05:55 PM
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Well firstly, the thread is concerning approaching "with non-platonic intent". Secondly, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I mean sure, if someone is out with their friends and is clearly fully engaged with them, maybe it's best not to go for it unless you're sure you've got her on a down moment. But to say that a bar/club/concert/wtfever social event is the wrong place to hit on someone is just the most asinine statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 05:50 PM
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As a man: I want a girl who embodies all the things that I am lacking in life - namely, I want her to inspire me, as I am definitely a little short of inspiration these days. Very few people have the confidence and optimistic convictions to pull me out of a kind of existential lethargy (lalalalalala word soup) that I've always found myself mired in. I'm cynical, and instead of having a bunch of people tell me that's not okay, I want someone to show me that it's not okay. I want a girl who takes …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 05:45 PM
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A club is a dirty place. Anyone who expects not to get hit on there is an idiot, it's like jumping into traffic and complaining about cars. That doesn't mean you can't decline when you're solicited (or that anyone who continues to pursue isn't a fucking creep), but don't be dense and get pissy about the attention. But let's not pretend like this is a difficult concept, either. Not only do we have plenty of avenues for casual hookups these days...a grocery store? A book store? That's where you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 03:06 PM
1

Phenomenology is world-discovering How do you figure?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 02:29 PM
5

You realize that information is not bigoted, it's what you do with the information that is bigoted, correct? Which would mean that a couple of percentage points difference in IQ levels between blacks and whites - according to some kind of non-contextual and arbitrary test, let's not forget that little detail - doesn't mean anything to a SJW, but it means a whole avenue of discriminatory possibilities for a Stormfronter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 01:58 PM
3

Damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 01:50 PM
5

Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 01:41 PM
3

A TRPer is calling me "colorblind". Someone get the camera.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 01:40 PM
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And this somehow exonerates you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 01:35 PM
1

"Burning Man is not a festival. It's a catalyst for creative culture in the world." And that just about sums my feelings up on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 01:24 PM
4

Do you really expect that guy to be neutral and balanced when the subject of God, faith or religion are debated? But we're not implicitly talking about how he'd feel on the subject of God/religion/etc. We're speaking of how he would feel about religious people specifically - and to say "they're all evil, scheming control freaks" would be a grievous and ignorant error. It's literally a case of "hate the game, not the player".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 01:20 PM
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I have always said that TRP are effectively the same thing as Stormfront. All the parallels are there. The reliance on tropes and anecdotes, the abuse of surveys and statistics, and the slinging of scientific articles that apparently show quite clearly that a lot of minorities are not on the same evolutionary level as white folk.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 01:12 PM
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And here I thought it meant "happy birth-day".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 01:09 PM
1

I may be approaching it "extremely", but I don't think it's extreme per se to judge something like a philosophy to be either rigorous or not if I'm (admittedly somewhat arbitrarily) choosing the reference point as furthering our knowledge of our own condition, rather than furthering the knowledge of the field itself - which is exactly what I think of a lot of different metaphysical theories, they're essentially philosophy world-building.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 02:53 AM
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Well, obviously I disagree that it is so simplistically valid as you're positing. As I've been discussing with Cis, the only thing that you can prove via your senses is that the universe is not a void, and the only thing that you can prove via information is that it is not solipsistic. From there, having to do with the consciousness, all bets are off unless one wants to start making some pretty bold assertions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 01:09 AM
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Yeah, I agree what you said about that, that passive men might like that. lmao dude shutup A lot of men get turned on by the idea that they're conquering a strong woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 11:26 PM
2

That's ironic considering I get told repeatedly to mostly disregard the sidebar material as a form of damage control.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 11:20 PM
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I don't understand the question. If we have no idea that he's a psychopath, why would we treat him any differently than any other person who's having trouble with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 11:13 PM
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I realize that, but you dropped the rest of the quote which qualified it. The "gray area" involves the fact that not only is phenomenology not empirical, it also doesn't present itself logically in any useful way, like rationalism for example which is founded on fairly inarguable premises. It's like building a staircase but forgetting to build the first step - you can get anywhere you want as long as you take an initial leap of faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 08:43 PM
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No, it's not like that. Well then congratulations, we have a fundamental misunderstanding and should probably just part ways about it. Although we're getting close to that record...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 08:39 PM
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Given that I started out talking about phenomenology, it's more like I was talking about alchemy and you came in talking about chemistry in general while I was saying "if chemistry believes the same shit that alchemy does, then chemistry is still wrong about it". But please, give me yet another post with some passive aggressive form of "you don't know what you're talking about", let's see if we can hit some kind of record.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 07:57 PM
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Oh, sweet summer child...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 07:55 PM
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Who consumes it, and who it is marketed to, are different things. See: My Little Pony
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 07:37 PM
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Call me kooky, but I'm pretty sure they're marketed toward women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 07:32 PM
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Western girls are pretty much raised like boys though. Especially by feminist mothers and fathers in feminist societies. If anything, they have a constant barrage of incentives and encouragement to take science. Take the Scandinavian countries, which put billions of dollars worth in a failed attempt to make schoolgirls take STEM and computers, and ended up with stats worse than muslim countries. I love this talking point, because it assumes that the other insanely privileged class on our planet,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 07:19 PM
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Since you're taking such a "copy-pasted directly from Wikipedia" approach to this: HOLY SHIT WHAT COULD THAT BE
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 07:16 PM
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So toys are the only way gender roles are reinforced in young children, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 06:39 PM
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They're both shit, so they have that going for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 06:36 PM
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Phenomenology is bunk because its subject matter is bunk. "Philosophy of the mind" is not a field of study, it's an umbrella term for anything that matches the description of - get this - philosophies concerning the mind. Phenomenology is a philosophy of the mind. Dualism and monism are philosophies of the mind. Rationalism is a philosophy of the mind. Rationalism is not bunk because its precepts - although untestable - at least make a lick of sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 06:34 PM
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The entire field of study of phenomenology is the first-person consciousness. That's a whole area of scrutiny based upon a tentative concept at best, vacuous at worst. It has no empirical relevance, which a lot of philosophy doesn't, but it's also building its foundation on a total gray area.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 06:20 PM
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I didn't say "no nature". Also, come on now: The preference of young boys for dolls over cars suggests that older boys' avoidance of dolls may be acquired.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 06:15 PM
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I cannot even begin to understand this analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 06:14 PM
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Meanwhile, you can get back to me on why Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet (hint: it's not because Allah actually exists).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:56 PM
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Maybe that field of study is not well respected because the actual ideas and objects in question are either irrational or unable to be properly appropriated.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:42 PM
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It's like basing a field of study based around unicorns (no, not those unicorns). Not only has the item of study not even been appropriated yet, it produces no useful conclusions. I realize the latter is a common theme throughout metaphysics, but I find the methodology to be dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:37 PM
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I consider it to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:33 PM
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Again, I'm not talking about phenomenology. We're talking about things related to qualia. Phenomenology is the direct field of philosophical study concerning that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:33 PM
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The bit about strong emergence didn't necessarily refer directly back to phenomenology.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:28 PM
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Phenomenology is a field of philosophical study that plugs its ears and pretends like the dozen or so problems of trying to even appropriate the existence of the consciousness as a meaningful thing, much less actually approach the idea of the consciousness in a way that is useful and scientific, don't exist. It's one of those fields that drowns itself in its own made up jargon to attempt to make sense of what it is positing. Look at this bullshit: Existential phenomenology differs from transcend…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:25 PM
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Phenomenology =! strong emergence I don't recall saying as much, but thanks for the vote of doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:16 PM
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Your mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:02 PM
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Logic and philosophy are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:01 PM
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yah man u got it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:01 PM
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The consciousness is not the processor. That is the brain. The consciousness is explicitly the thing that "sees". The stream of information goes stimulus > body > brain > magical unappropriated medium > consciousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 03:59 PM
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I think men and women are more the same than they are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 03:07 PM
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You're missing my point. Philosophy is an anthropic subject by its very nature - it is egocentric to humans and human thought. Mathematics is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 03:06 PM
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There's a world of difference between a p-zombie and a real person, namely that the p-zombie has no subjective experience. There's no difference observable from a third party perspective but that's a radically different claim than that there's no difference at all. As someone with subjective experience, I've noticed it making a big difference in my day to day life. For instance, I get to experience it. The p-zombie has a brain. Your brain and your purported consciousness are two distinct things …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 03:03 PM
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When you're brought up with Barbies and Easy-Bake Ovens, what do you think you're going to be interested in?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 02:58 PM
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As I said in my other post, there is absolutely no appreciable difference between a "real person" and a p-zombie, the latter still fully able to respond to a stimulus since all stimuli are empirical and materialistic. The hard problem of consciousness is not a problem at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 02:53 PM
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You will notice that 95% of the content of that page deals with mathematics as a matter of human intuition - not the math itself. If mathematics were a philosophical endeavor, you would not be typing on a computer right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 02:50 PM
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Do explain the philosophy behind 2+2=4.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 02:01 PM
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I seem to recall talking about how TRPers have this amazing ability to take any vaguely scientific thing and spin it to their own use, even if it has absolutely nothing to do with their shtick... This doesn't have any "implications". In the given context, there is absolutely no difference between a conscious being and a p-zombie, as well as the fact that there is no way to conclude that the consciousness is also the center of morality or higher intelligence. To be quite frank, this article does …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 01:49 PM
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How else it possible for such intelligent creatures to be so blissfully lacking in self-awareness? Because it's not a philosophical problem, but a psychological one?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 01:33 PM
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The psych professor didn't make that up. We've been talking about that since Aristotle and it's gaining serious momentum in the philosophy of mind relative to the last hundred years of rabid materialism. Phenomenology is total bunk and strong emergence is no more valid than actual Harry Potter-style magic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 01:18 PM
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"Polygyny" is a historical aspect, not a matter of instinct. If we were polygynous at one point, we're not now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 01:15 PM
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Tell me I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 01:01 PM
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While I remain eternally not at fault for TRP's complete lack of cohesion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 01:00 PM
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TRP isn't into "slut" shaming. TRP is into "any woman who has sex on her own terms" shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 04:19 AM
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Actually the difference is that I don't exacerbate them on purpose and then tell everyone "LOOK HOW PREVALENT THIS SHIT IS, IRON TRIBE REPZ-RESENT OOO' KILL'EM"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 09:10 PM
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I've traveled over half our cyberspace to be here. I couldn't get away sooner because someone was wrong somewhere else on the internet and I had to see about it, but if I say I am an argument man then you will agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 09:01 PM
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Makes me wonder why you put so much stock into instincts that are more or less residual in modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:57 PM
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And you seem to think that humans don't operate on a mental that is far, far advanced beyond that of even the smartest animals out there. We have values and thoughts that go beyond procreation and they have a profound affect on what we are attracted to and what we respond to. We are not apes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:48 PM
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Your class privilege and relative naivete are showing. Huge swaths of humanity struggle with meeting needs as basic as shelter and clean water. But everyone you know has A/C and WiFi, so you might have missed that. You realize you just made my point for me, given that the poorer areas of the world are also the most war-torn and sexually primitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:32 PM
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lmao Okay, let's take this point by point. So, you throw away perhaps years of life, destroy everything you have built together, your family, your kids, your finances, your home, your friends, your community, etc., etc., because you are unhappy with your spouse and you aren't willing to take any actions that might rectify the situation? First of all, you're dumping a whole hell of a lot of extenuating circumstances onto a purely theoretical scenario which had none. When did kids come into the pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:27 PM
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Given that the OP's point was being an unprompted entrepreneur...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:45 PM
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Right! Because knowing all of the hundreds of pages of code with respect to how to install plumbing is definitely akin to being mad that your dirty little pickup schemes aren't working because you forgot that women are people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:42 PM
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Which tooooooooootally isn't part of a vicious circle or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:34 PM
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Ah, yes. All professions are as simple as "JUST LEARN IT, STUPID", and are definitely not based on generations of accumulated knowledge. Definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:32 PM
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If a guy makes it plain and clear that he is unhappy because of some aspect that his significant other gradually acquired, and that significant other makes no effort to reverse that change, you know what an emotionally mature person does? Leaves them. Of course, emotionally mature people also don't respond to dread game, but hey.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:28 PM
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Like I keep saying, that depends entirely on how you define Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:17 PM
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Do you think it only counts as following evolutionary instincts if your wearing a loincloth out in the dirt digging for grubs? Yes! Yes I do! Because there is very little urgency in human life when compared to animals. We have our basic needs met, which is where the vast majority of those instincts become relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:15 PM
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I notice that you didn't answer my questions. Do you really think that direct communication is completely absent in these situations? If so, what gives you that idea? When someone is having a problem, dollars to donuts everyone around them has at least some idea of it gained through direct communication. If direct communication happens, by default whatever you do afterward is not dread game.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:13 PM
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I think the point of "dread game" is to reduce the amount of bitching and moaning and increase the amount of actions that are likely to make the man's life better in real terms. By forsaking the most fundamental element of any stable relationship, which is direct communication. Do you honestly think that all couples fully understand each other? For that matter, do you think that men and women let their SMV decrease specifically just to give their partners a hard time, and that there are no exten…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:00 PM
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Conveniently without letting the SO know that you're unhappy with them though, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 06:27 PM
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