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Republicans won't insult you, they'll just make sure your wife or girlfriend or rapist has to carry their baby to term, and then they'll make sure you pay child support forever, and on top of that they'll participate in social pressure to make sure you know your worth is tied to your income, and becoming homeless or poor is your fault. But at least you didn't "feel insulted"!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/22 05:30 PM
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"Fourth Reform Act.[1] The Act extended the franchise in parliamentary elections, also known as the right to vote, to men aged over 21, whether or not they owned property, and to women aged over 30 who resided in the constituency or occupied land or premises with a rateable value above £5, or whose husbands did."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 10:18 PM
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No true Scotsman, eh?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 07:31 PM
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In the case of rape, I do believe a man shouldn't be held to child support. But in other cases I do believe the needs of the child may require financial support. I'm all for making that a social benefit rather than a man's duty, but it does have to be in place or we're just trading men's rights for children's rights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 07:30 PM
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I'm totally all for a safety net that would remove the need for child support payments. I'm also circumcised but would probably not do that to any children I have. Have I passed your litmus tests?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 07:29 PM
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I'm not sure if any single people should be adopting children unless they can prove they have the means to do so. I'm also not sure how many single men are looking to adopt a child. But that's probably just my inner biases. I know I'd never adopt a child on my own, because it would be a huge sacrifice for me and the child would likely not get enough attention. The only situation I'd be a single parent is if I had no choice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 07:25 PM
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Excuse me but I don't appreciate you telling me how I see men or want to help them, Melissa.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 07:22 PM
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The Biden administration may have self described feminists but it's very much a big tent Democratic administration. Led by an old white man. I don't see it as a feminist administration and that's coming from someone that also doesn't consider that a slur.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 07:20 PM
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That I agree with fully, and why I want to be part of this community. Men are being used and abused all over American society and are turning to conservativism that is pretty explicitly about individualism that has put so many men in desperate straights to begin with. With help from 90's Democrats, unfortunately. We need progressive policy solutions or young men will keep running to the false respect of having to be the breadwinner and pull themselves up by their bootstraps and don't be inclusiv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:19 PM
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If you think the Biden administration is somehow anti-Man then I think we live in different realities. They just got pilloried for the safe drug use programs which are primarily targeted at homeless people and would greatly help men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:14 PM
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Concrete issue of men calling themselves feminists. Sure.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:06 PM
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I was responding to someone who "flipped it around" to blame women for male homelessness. I don't believe any living man or woman is at fault for women not having a vote in the early 20th century. I also know it was men who voted to give women the vote. I'm just trying to highlight that feminism came about for a very real reason, and a recent one too. Mens advocacy has sprouted up for a real reason too, but it's fractured because, like it or not, a lot of men vote against their interests and wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:03 PM
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Empathy is the keystone of addressing men's and women's issues. I'm glad this woman chose to highlight that boys need positive role models and opportunities. Disaffected young men without roots in society will turn to all sorts of undesirable things to fill a void that society shouldn't be creating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 05:47 PM
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That's totally inappropriate, and I do see this as a double standard in society. It seems like the bar scene is full of these women that have no personal boundaries and don't take no for an answer. I don't find it funny or cute. No one should have to deal with unwanted touch. Unfortunately the only way to push back is to push back, and then we're back to having our sexuality questioned because we didn't fit the male ideal of being down for any sort of sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 05:44 PM
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Maybe the meta-discussion about how dare men call themselves feminists is more your speed. That's currently doing much better than this post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 05:41 PM
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In Belgium maybe feminism is at odds with men's rights. I don't see that in the US because we're still working on universal access to healthcare, safe drug and addiction care, minimum wage increases. All things that would improve the situation for men. And feminists are mostly at work trying to prevent our sky high infant mortality and lack of safe abortion access, both things that impact men too. Maybe when they succeed at those they'll move on to things I don't agree with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 05:34 PM
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I call myself a Democrat because it fits my beliefs and how I vote. I'm not reading up on Democratic newsletters and phone banking every week. I'm not part of a young Democrats group or anything. But I call myself a Democrat because it's the platform I believe in and the actions I see from the party align with my morals. Similarly, I call myself a feminist because I support gender equality and I see the good that it does for men and women. But I don't go and read the radical feminist newsletters…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 05:15 PM
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Men being homeless is society's fault. We should focus on political solutions to that. Now that women have a voice in society, they should be on the hook for helping to solve it. The majority of women vote for Democrats, who largely support mental health expansions and subsidized housing. So from that perspective it's actually a logical fallacy to flip it around like you did. Women aren't to blame for men being disproportionately homeless any more than men are. They're both to blame, or really n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 05:05 PM
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Or, maybe, it's common among a group of feminists that is not perfectly representative of everyone who calls themselves feminists. Sounds like you like seeking out man hating women. I don't expect to agree with all feminists just like I clearly don't agree with all male advocates.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 07:17 AM
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I'm not sure what legal rights you're talking about, except for the draft. That's definitely a holdover that I would appreciate getting rid of or applying equally. Men totally have the right to get a vasectomy. The bodily autonomy thing actually confuses me. What are you talking about?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 07:15 AM
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I'm not exactly on a bunch of radical feminist newsletters. The people I interact with don't say them or mention seeing them. If I don't seek out the hate am I being uninformed or saving myself from idiots?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 07:12 AM
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So we all agree catcalling shouldn't happen to men or women, right? It's not a "compliment" or something anyone should have to bear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:55 AM
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I don't seek it out and I don't encounter it in real life. So if it only exists in echo chambers and doesn't impact me personally, I have to default to caring about things I do see and hear about, like rigid traditional male gender roles, or being called out by Republican men for being a wuss because I'm a Democrat, or unequal sentencing for me, or the fact that single men have a really hard time getting welfare. Those are real problems I care about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:54 AM
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No, I haven't. Never heard them in real life or seen them in my usual news sources. To be honest the only place I've seen that is people complaining about it here. I mean, I guess I've seen some rah rah stuff about girl power, but I don't really take that as an affront to my manhood.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:51 AM
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Actual political solutions to social issues are such a rich area of discussion, specifically about how economic initiatives like reduced cost or free childcare, free pre-K, minimum wage increases could free men from the 40+ hour a week grind that saps so much life out of them and reduces male friendships and social groups. That's way more interesting to me than anecdotes about feminists. There is so much about being a man that's trapped up in Republican framing of traditional manhood, I'd think …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:32 AM
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I'm just saying, your assertion that it's a requirement to vote is incorrect, and feminism came about with a very real cause to allow women to vote and do normal things in society like men. Now we need to make sure men can do everything a woman can do, like be nurses and primary parents and elementary school teachers and be able to be sensitive and emotional without having our manhood or sexuality be questioned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:25 AM
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State elections versus universal suffrage. It's happening again anyway. Republicans want people too tired and too sick of politics to vote. They'd rather it be just retirees who have the time and energy to get involved. Also I have been looking but I see no requirement to register for the selective service before being able to vote. I also have never been asked that question on any voter registration I've done. I don't think you can be refused the right to vote based on that, though technically …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:11 AM
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I knew one guy who was adamant that's what he wanted out of life. Unfortunately he ended up in the breadwinner role again, but whatever the term there are plenty of men that aren't motivated by traditional career success and want to be the primary parent. I'm all for that, though my path is more towards equal income and equal parenting if I start a family. In this economy that was passed down to us there is no way anyone is going to be a one income family unless they literally can't earn enough …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:09 AM
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It seems more fallacious to put my trust in a group of people that are adamant that feminism is something that I haven't seen. I won't pretend my experience is representative but at the same time I won't form opinions about all feminists because strangers on the internet are sure they're all man hating bigots. I just haven't seen that and won't change my view of the situation based on cherry picked "feminists from hell" stories. Moreso I don't want to give up on improving the lives of men solely…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:06 AM
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Most feminists I know don't go to meetings or write articles or anything. They're just people that agree that genders should be more equal and roles like parent, caretaker, homemaker shouldn't be just for women. Now if you want to go and find a million articles of foaming at the mouth people I'll tell you they're as representative as the talking heads on TV are of political parties. As in, not very. I'm beginning to suspect most of you get your information about feminism from the internet, which…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 04:57 AM
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I'll be open to my chosen label of feminist when I see some of this supposed anti-man feminism I've heard about. I've had plenty of conversations with women and men and it's all been positive and about gender equality, not female superiority. I've seen gender discrimination both ways and usually it's not by a MensRights or feminist type. It's usually by someone with more money and therefore more political and social power discriminating because they don't face consequences for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 01:32 AM
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Thanks for sharing. I think that's mostly my opinion too. It should be acceptable to call yourself a feminist here, but by no means required. That's what should distinguish this from MensRights or MensLib. If feminists are mass downvoted for sharing an opinion contrary to the commonly held one here, how are we any better?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 01:28 AM
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Rich women were treated like children. Poor women were treated like slaves. In any case, a reaction against feminism should include some context that 100 years ago the first white women voted, and they still couldn't own property without a man co-owning it. Men were at the same time worse off and better off. White men better off, but that didn't include the "wrong" white, or the poor. We've come a long way but it's not a zero sum game. Women being equal is desirable, and men having issues isn't …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 01:23 AM
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Property ownership requirements lifted in 1850. Until then all voters were white men, but not all white men could vote. Important distinction, any man with enough money could vote, and no women could. Important men's issue of the time, though! Women's vote 1920, 70 years later. Women being able to have a bank account, 1960s.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 01:20 AM
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Yeah it's pretty unsafe for everyone, but I do understand when women get freaked out. It's not the man's fault though usually.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 01:17 AM
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Child support is required because the child safety net has so many holes and childcare is too expensive. These kinds of issues could be solved for men and women if we supported people to the point where the old systems are obsolete.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 12:59 AM
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But the text of anti-discrimination laws all protect men from being discriminated against due to their gender. We should applaud that as a perfect example of a law that feminists wanted that ended up protecting men too. A lot of societal pressures are men and women putting men into a category of stoic breadwinners that must not appear feminine. I think the most pressing issues affecting men today are a lack of economic agency and opportunity, but I see that more of an issue with our unequal econ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 12:26 AM
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Title IX, women's suffrage, divorce laws, bank regulations against discrimination during loan applications or mortgages, gay marriage. All these things are brought about by gender equality but protect men too, based on their gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 12:16 AM
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I do have mixed feelings about big initiatives to get women into programming or leadership roles. The whole premise seems that it would be rife with landmines for not discriminating against men. But on the other hand there is an imbalance, and plenty of unqualified men that hurt qualified men by taking the spot of a qualified man or woman. I am interested in things like blinded interviews or objective trial periods to try to not swing too far in the other direction. I have encountered some women…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 12:13 AM
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Yes, that's a good point. It may not be malicious for women to have to be checked when they don't carve out a space for male allies. It may just be a lack of personal experience that is also buffeted by actual mysogynists constantly keeping them defensive. So much like we see a bunch of people here instinctually circling the wagons, women may have a hard time hearing about the manly issues without assuming it's an attack on equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 12:10 AM
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I don't pretend to speak for all feminists or all men. I'm just saying that everyone here shouldn't pretend to speak for all feminists or all men either. All the laws passed after first and second wave feminism are inclusive, and those movements had a lot of men in them. We lose something when we ostracize men for supporting women as if that somehow precludes them from supporting men too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 12:07 AM
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Yeah that would be problematic. I guess I'm coming from an American view where there has been an ongoing effort to strip gender out of laws, though sentencing is still biased towards men. Look, a male issue that I would be happy to advocate for solving even though I call myself a feminist!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 11:52 PM
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Have you encountered any explicitly anti-male discussion from women? The most I've dealt with is having to get them to rephrase things to include "not all men" are excluding women from opportunities. I find that's the worst of it. Most women are talking about equality, not taking a superior role or anything. But I'm curious about your experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 11:47 PM
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Here we are trying to show you we exist and you insist there is no true Scotsman. There's no meeting or anything. I call myself a feminist because I believe in gender equality, equal opportunity, and men should be able to be a stay at home parent just as much as women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 11:44 PM
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Again, you can point at examples but it's not disproving that there is a lot of overlap between gender equality and men's advocacy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 11:40 PM
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I think if any men participated in a society where women couldn't vote or have their own money or make their own medical decisions, it's either because they didn't want to rock the boat, or they considered women to be lesser than men. I can deal with the past while not demonizing men in the present. I personally have never lived under that system but my parents and grandparents did. It's folly to suggest we're over it when 200 out of 300 years, women couldn't vote. Now that they can, I don't bla…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 11:38 PM
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That's like saying that anti-racism is inherently anti-white. Having strict gender divides hurts men and women. Like the breadwinner role, or having fathers asked if they're "babysitting." We should be totally willing to work with feminists to break down traditional gender roles in society so men can pursue traditionally female roles if they so choose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 11:33 PM
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Women can and do get sexually assaulted in public if they're alone at night, and in greater numbers than men that are alone. It's not anti-man to admit that. You actually didn't counter that either, mentioning that men are assaulted or killed more frequently doesn't account for the situation I described, which is an attack on a person walking alone at night. Also it sounds like you're discounting that women should be wary of walking at night. Why?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 10:41 PM
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Have you ever been catcalled by an aggressive gay man? It's horrible and the one time it happened it made me feel unsafe. Let's not discount women's issues as a way to elevate men's.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 10:35 PM
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Women's healthcare is likely higher because pregnancy is expensive, and they live longer. It's not some big conspiracy. A birth can cost $20k.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 10:33 PM
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There are studies that women's pain is generally less believed by men and women doctors than men's pain. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210406164124.htm Though I think men have their own biases against them with medical care. Like the toxic belief among men that seeking medical care is weak, or a sense to downplay symptoms, or the very real fact that men have higher health risks and lower life expectancy pretty much throughout life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 10:26 PM
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As someone who has walked around a city and unintentionally made women uncomfortable, there are two true things: One, it's valid if she's scared because it's late and women are constantly assaulted by malicious men. Two, I'm doing nothing wrong walking behind a woman and I shouldn't feel ashamed. I do sometimes feel empathy for being in that situation though. I have also felt unsafe walking late at night and I don't wish that on anyone. So I don't blame a woman for crossing a street or doing som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 10:25 PM
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Aren't you just constructing a strawman argument against feminism here? The premise that feminism is turning women against men is not very convincing to me. Textbook feminism is all about egalitarianism. The extreme anti-men feminists are a minority. If anything I've seen the polarization turn most "feminists" in beliefs against the label. It's just buying into a right wing smear campaign, in my opinion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 10:18 PM
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There you go again, though, you're just saying there are "some feminists" doing this or that. But in the grand scheme of things what is actually standing in the way of men's rights? Laws passed by politicians, mostly men. Societal pressures and mores enforced by men and women. I have not once in my personal life encountered a situation where a feminist has made my life any worse. If you all have, then by all means advocate against that and for equality. I just can't shake the feeling that femini…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 10:14 PM
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Saying happy international women's day is not negative or unprofessional. Bringing up something anti-feminist unprompted is negative and unprofessional. Did it offend you to hear that a day is called international women's day?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 10:04 PM
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It just seems like a distraction since most of men's advocacy issues are about what systems have put in place against men, not what women did to men. It seems like a cop out. Feminists who cross the line should be called out. Framing the whole men's advocacy movement as an anti-feminist movement just makes it easier for those in power to continue subjugating. Title IX was passed with support by feminists and it protects men and women. Let's focus on the egalitarian parts and stop obsessing over …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 09:57 PM
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Edit: The post was phrased as a question to people who won't denounce feminism and I answered. Everyone who downvotes this is contributing to an echo chamber. Try engaging rather than shunning? Especially since I'm answering the request! I reject your framing. Every social movement and belief structure has a gamut of opinion. It's telling you point to black lives matter as if it's an objective negative when in fact it's led to the biggest increase in police accountability in decades. Feminism as…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 08:44 PM
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I have seen more and more acceptance of paternal leave in the US but it's all voluntary. I'm sorry your country is so behind the times. We're lucky in the US to have so many good rights for gay couples but it's despite us, not because of us. Plenty of Republicans are still fighting to be able to discriminate against gay couples, for wedding cakes or for adoption services, in the name of "God." Even if your country isn't explicitly Christian I find most of the anti gay fervor is driven by it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/22 08:35 PM
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You should qualify for FMLA no problem. That's as much as anyone gets. Democrats keep trying to get family leave but Manchin and Sinema have the party by the short hairs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/22 07:58 PM
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Conservative as in outdated and old fashioned. Not strictly political. The "old school" gender theories are mostly pushed by conservative Republicans but are pretty universally accepted even beyond politics. The notion that men must be breadwinners or at least successful in order to deserve dates is a conservative social view.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/22 10:21 PM
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Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it never happens. Unless you're 16-25 I'm not sure you can really speak to what's going on nowadays anyway. Most of the dating is there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/22 03:41 PM
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Women do make the first move, but that's not going to help men that aren't the women's choice. We shouldn't frame this as women not choosing the right men. Some of it may be that men are lacking the societal support necessary to attract a partner. If men are poor and overworked they're not being given enough time or space to be truly happy and ready to be in an equal and fulfilling relationship.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/22 01:36 AM
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I don't think you're imagining it. I think you're finding it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/22 11:05 PM
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I think you are illustrating part of the problem. There have always been idiots sharing dumb opinions, but with the internet it's a lot easier to both be in an echo chamber and also see extreme opinions that are opposite of yours. Most people don't share their mild opinions in the middle. I would suggest you're maybe contributing to the mania by portraying it as a prevailing opinion. In meatspace I haven't seen the extreme opinions you're describing. Actually most people just say men and women a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/22 10:27 PM
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As long as conservative public culture says that a man's success is in family and career, young men are going to feel like failures when they don't have those things or their own personal idea of success to validate themselves. We are social beings, if we feel we aren't meeting outside measures of success most of us will feel like failures or feel resentment. I believe rising young male disaffection is primarily caused by a lack of economic agency and chances for success. Minimum wage used to be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/22 10:21 PM
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My wife's friend is being moved to Kansas because the husband feels depressed and wants to move close to his mom. When she said she didn't want to move he said she had to because he pays the mortgage. Having a really hard time figuring out whether this is "his right" or if the lack of compromise or discussion is wrong. Just really sad I guess. I thought the guy was a friend but he didn't tell anyone before accepting a job and letting his mom convince him he should move home.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/22 10:16 PM
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I think the implication is that that's the expectation of a lot of men. I don't disagree with the sentiment that you either bring home half the pay and do half the housework, or you bring home more pay or do more housework. The breastfeeding or childbearing you can't really split but I'm guessing good fathers to be totally pick up some more chores or cooking during that time. Overall, this is one tweet. Let's not all go crazy here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/22 11:27 PM
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Unfortunately politics is not something that is protected in a workplace, but if he was being honest and not breaking any policies this is not a great look for his employer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 04:57 PM
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"Fifty-two percent of women in a relationship and supplying half or more of the household income say they’re responsible for managing the money, compared to 41% of all women living with their partner. And 38% of the former group were found to be most responsible for the long-term financial planning compared to 26% of others living with their partners. What’s more, 32% of women living with their partners and providing the the majority of the income said they were in charge of major purchases vers…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 04:08 PM
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You make it sound like women can become pregnant on purpose. If a man ejaculates in a woman without contraceptives he consented to the possibility of pregnancy. If he trusts a woman to say she's on birth control and she's not that's on her, but also the man didn't have to forgo a condom did he? If a woman becomes pregnant even with contraceptives well guess what, that was the low risk of having sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 10:36 PM
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Sex has the risk of pregnancy. Men have the ability to wear condoms if they want to avoid pregnancy. Women don't consent to pregnancy, they become pregnant and then depending on where they live they have the right to abort. Consent doesn't really come into play in biological processes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 10:28 PM
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So why am I seeing everyone saying this disparity isn't a problem, overblown, and men shouldn't be looking into why there's a disparity between paid and also unpaid work in most households? Also you can say staying home is a luxury but it puts the person doing unpaid work in an unequal partnership where they may not be free to contribute towards financial decision-making. So excuse me if I find your gilded cage argument a bit old fashioned. It should not be the default that men work and women do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 09:13 PM
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Yes I've certainly seen issues with couples where the man wished his wife earned more or had a better job, or a full time job if they're part time. What world are you in where you haven't seen that? Perhaps you're showing how limited your worldview is that you can't imagine a situation where a man feels powerless because they are relied upon as a sole or primary earner. This explains so much, you don't actually know how real world couples work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 09:09 PM
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Feminism is a hate movement? What a ridiculous thing to say. Straight from /r/MensRights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:51 PM
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I see, we shouldn't discuss societal expectations of men because trends are meaningless and it's down to the couple to decide. What a reductivist and absurd way to shut down discussion of anything you personally see as not important to manhood.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:49 PM
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You've never seen a situation where a man uses the fact that they earn the money to make unilateral decisions on how it's spent? That's where this becomes an issue. Or flip it around and if the family is in debt, since the man earns a wage, it's his fault the family can't afford things. Either way the man is being put upon by society, and either way it's my opinion that a more equal workload of both types would benefit society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:47 PM
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This is a study, it's not a woman complaining. It's sociologists describing the real world with surveys. If you immediately phrase it as women complaining, you're being intellectually lazy and dishonest. I'm disappointed that people here are so incapable of discussing things without framing it as women complaining. Be better, people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:44 PM
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Women do more housework so men should help. Men do more paid work so women should help. Not inconsistent. I agree with both. Why are you so insistent on keeping men in a place of the breadwinner? Don't you see how you're actually advocating against men by saying this is a feature not a bug?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:38 PM
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And men could rightfully complain about the imbalance the other way. That's what I'm saying, any imbalance is a potential indication of inequality, in either direction. You saying that women should have made their choices better is patronizing and unhelpful in that context. Why must everything in this sub be about what women are inflicting on men. I'm sure both genders would benefit if this averaged out with men being able to be homemakers too!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:36 PM
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Men who father children were part of the act. Blaming women for not having abortions is kind of papering over their responsibility. Whether it's financial or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:28 PM
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What you're doing is using a logical fallacy to redirect the argument to rape as some way to further denigrate my points by association. I don't care about your obsession with the definition of rape. I was talking about unpaid work. Getting a gross vibe from this line of argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:27 PM
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You know what, after a day with most of my on-topic comments being mass downvoted, I don't think people here want to discuss men's issues outside of what they perceive women are doing to them. I doubt that many of the regular commenters are left wing. It's been a disappointing trial, I feel like a lot of people have some growing up to do because they can't see an argument and engage instead of mass downvoting. Pretty disappointed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:25 PM
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It shows that women do more of the housework and men do more of the job work. That's a gender disparity worth talking about, unless you think the current situation is the ideal for men. If you do think that then say it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:15 PM
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Why are you ascribing definitions of rape to me? Seems like an ineffective and underhanded style of argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:14 PM
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Well if you look at the average household they have some fraction of a kid. That's why averages never tell the whole story.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 08:14 PM
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I could not support getting rid of child care parents without there being something to replace it. That would just lead to child poverty, which I hope you agree is not a desirable outcome for children. If the woman has the choice to abort or not, the man already made mistakes in contraception or it's so unlikely that it's not worth talking about as a common issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 06:13 PM
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And I love the assumption that taking care of a house and children is so difficult compared to most jobs out there, and especially the jobs that are mostly filled by men. Whose assumption is that? Not mine. Not relevant for pointing out a continuing gender imbalance. Also blaming women for the imbalance is odd and counterproductive. "They like it that way!" Right...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 06:11 PM
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"More work supporting their families," and yet your link shows that women are spending more time doing domestic work than men. I guess thanks for giving some more proof that unpaid work is gendered? You're misrepresenting the data or misunderstanding it. This study shows men putting in more work than women, on average, but less of the unpaid work of housework and childcare. So how is it wrong to say that unpaid work is imbalanced? That can be true at the same time that "men, on average work more…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 05:42 PM
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No it's not. That's your spin on it. It's talking about work that has to be done and is for your household, not for money. Anything else you're putting on it is your own biases. It's chilling the actually interesting discussion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 05:12 PM
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Again, here in the real world, pointing out one situation where a woman gained power or money does not destroy a theory of male privilege in some parts of society. Your obsession with not using the term is odd. "It can't be a patriarchy, that woman has a leadership role!" Mhm...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 04:55 PM
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A dating app is not a representative sample of society. There are power imbalances in dating that make men chase women. That's the issue, not women sharing their opinions... It's the men going "uh huh" because they want to be chosen. This dynamic hurts men and women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 04:54 PM
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Yes, thank you. Some bad arguments being thrown around to minimize sexual assault and harassment. We should be against all sexual assault and harassment, between either gender or within it. I am not a male advocate for a predator, except when it comes to sentencing, when I believe they should be given the same time a woman would in the situation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 04:51 PM
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I think either women or men complaining about not being able to get into a relationship with a specific person is an example of a person, no gender specificity needed, barking up the wrong tree. I think if either sex complains that they can't get a relationship with anyone, then they are in fact unlovable because of their current attitude or place in life. Across reddit it's becoming a lot more accepted to point out female abuse of men and bad female behaviors. I'm not seeing the hyperbole you'r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 04:49 PM
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I'm not part of this sub to cater to "men are just biologically superior" dreck. But thanks for showing your colors I guess. Plenty of European countries have female leaders and more equal representation in their parliaments. It's a fact that men have an advantage in American politics and American businesses. I'm not suggesting that they all got there because of some cloak and dagger good ol boys network. I'm suggesting that it's a symptom of cronyism and lack of objective opportunities. Some me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 04:41 PM
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Are you sure you're not reading into it too much? Unpaid work to me sounds like work people do that isn't compensated with money. It's a lot easier to discuss these things if you don't jump at shadows and attack phrases instead of concepts. It sounds like you're suggesting that the mere act of trying to quantify housework and family work is gendered, but for that to be true you have to concede that you already believe it to be imbalanced in some way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 04:11 PM
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I'm just describing what people refer to when they talk about the patriarchy. It's a theory, it's not like you can prove it definitively or not. But let's just point out that all presidents have been male. That's not chance, is it? So are all men objectively better than all women at leading the US, or is there maybe some inherent power imbalance between the genders?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 04:09 PM
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So your complaint is men aren't preferred in absolutely everything so it can't be true that they're preferred in some things? That's not a very good argument. I also find that handwaving the existence of male privilege in society and then saying "we reached the moon with that system" is sort of presenting that you believe men to be superior because we went to the moon. All the code written for the spacecraft to reach the moon was written primarily by a woman... Our success is not despite women a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 04:06 PM
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"Research shows," well let's see it then because this article says the exact opposite! Also if that's true that men do more work, unpaid or not, in general, then there is still a gender imbalance between the paid and unpaid work. Are you saying that the current imbalance is desirable or saying it both exists and doesn't?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 04:05 PM
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In absence of a robust safety net or UBI, I have a hard time justifying that a man can father a child and gain that biological benefit of furthering their line and not somehow be responsible for raising the resulting child. Except for cases of a woman raping a man and becoming pregnant, there was a choice and a mutual failure of birth control that caused the pregnancy. In case of rape the child is still blameless but I can see an argument that the man shouldn't have to bear the responsibility wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 09:33 AM
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Unpaid work isn't about the budget, it's an attempt to quantify housework and child care in a way that identifies who is carrying the burden of keeping a family functioning. If men are doing less unpaid work, it could be that some truly are not pulling their weight in a household, or that they're working more paid hours. Both point to a gendered imbalance, whether it's objectively undesirable or not. As for how that impacts men's issues, I'm not sure. I guess as far as providing childcare, not d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 09:20 AM
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I'll take a stab. Sometimes men are more comfortable around each other and can relate easier with each other, just like women are with each other in plenty of other organizations and social constructs. But since men started from a demonstrably privileged place 100 years ago (not all men of course, but of all rich and powerful people they were mostly men), it takes time for things to even out to be "fair" or "merit-based." So doing nothing to account for implicit biases of men in power leads to p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 05:32 AM
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I mean, I have had it pretty easy. But I do feel like I deserve it too. Let's just say there wasn't anything overt about the opportunities I received and a lot of it is probably down to socialization to "fake it till I make it" and act confidently. The problem is that implicit bias is hard to quantify and if I did benefit from it that doesn't make me a bad person. If I perpetuate something consciously that's where the good ol boys club comes in. Edit: I can't tell if it's unsuccessful men down v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 05:24 AM
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Radical feminism seems to be as much about forming an ingroup as right wing incel culture. The hating of the other. The scapegoating and perceived superiority over not only "the enemy," but those who don't acknowledge the enemy. I'd say radical feminism is as close to moderate feminism as incelism is to classic social conservatism. It's also something I think has popped up because of the real male slant of the modern Republican party, and the embracing of the masculine in their politics. Real fr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 05:20 AM
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I'm a feminist, so your distinction that feminists portray women as victims is news to me. The vast majority of women are catcalled by the time they're 30, it doesn't mean they're permanent victims if I point it out. Most women are paid less than men in their field. They're still not defined by that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 01:23 AM
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You're putting up a strawman of a feminist to attack. Why not just keep it at "have you noticed society allows for some women to get away with playing the victim to the detriment of actual victims?" That's more compelling to me and helps me to not "other" all people who agree that women are discriminated against.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 01:10 AM
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Yes but that's a failure to support men not a mistake to support women. Also there have been strides, the medicaid expansion made it a lot easier to apply as a poor single man. We should have universally better safety nets, at least as good as poor mothers get.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:56 AM
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Rich men extort and exploit women and poor men. Traditionally they use manhood to create permission structures to exploit poor men as payment for access to women. Now that women have more freedom the right wing uses hatred of feminism to convince men to keep the exploitation system in place. So really it's not incorrect to say men created capitalism and men suffer under it too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:54 AM
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I agree with you completely. We can discuss men without demonizing women and without silencing diverse perspectives.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:51 AM
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I don't think including women as fleshed out characters diminishes telling stories from a male perspective. I do agree that there may be a popular "correction" to so much media being primarily for and about men in the past. But it doesn't really bother me too much. Honestly I'm not sure I need media that is only about men and for men. Your example of my little pony actually shows that that show would benefit from more men in it, not as an example of what we should look for mirror images of.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:48 AM
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Some women play the victim card a lot and are feminists. That doesn't mean all feminists are victims. Or that all feminists are women. I'm a feminist. I also can acknowledge that some women give feminism a bad name.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:40 AM
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I just got here, this doesn't sound promising. I am also hoping for a sub where men can be feminists or not, but it's not used to silence legitimate discourse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:33 AM
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Just want to say thanks for being here. I got banned from MensLib and it made me feel like I was a horrible person or something. I like seeing all sorts of opinions here, and respect. No red pills or blue pills hopefully. Just good old left wing men supporting each other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:22 AM
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I mean, we can be for gender equality and also admit that most domestic violence is by the man towards the woman. Since it's not all, we need to support both men and women that are abused. But statistically as a woman you're much more likely to be killed by a partner than as a man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:21 AM
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I guess I would push back on this and say, why is Star Wars or LOTR supposed to be "for men" in the first place? More female representation doesn't bother me as long as men aren't sidelined in place of all female casts as a way to right wrongs or something. Like the Ghostbusters remake or Oceans 8, it doesn't offend me but it does seem offensive to women, like "here's your version now!" When the source wasn't explicitly male, you don't have to make a "female" version, you could just maybe make a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:17 AM
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