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| 328 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females. | danmilligan | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/21 10:30 PM |
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| 3 | What would Violence Against Men and Boys (VAMB) look like?This is the best one. It needs to be handled with sensitvity, but it's the most powerful. On the other hand the response to this one, while wrong, is also obvious: "Well men are the oppressors in the gender category and black people are the oppressed in the race category, so it's not apples to apples". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/23 11:08 PM |
| 3 | What would Violence Against Men and Boys (VAMB) look like?That's true of course, but the "men perpetrators" response is a thought terminating cliche which we don't have a response powerful enough to break through. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/23 11:06 PM |
| 14 | What would Violence Against Men and Boys (VAMB) look like?There needs to be an effective counter to the reflexive whatboutist response of "Men are the ones doing the violence" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/23 05:58 PM |
| 4 | A calm rant about the straight white dude experience in left politicsWhat you're describing definitely happens, but what you're missing is that the left people who use it don't realize they are using reactionary methods. This is one of the main problems with so-called wokism- it tries to be so egalitarian that it overcorrects- instead of ending oppression (which it doesn't believe possible because of its inbuilt pessimism) it attempts to merely invert oppressed and oppressor categories. So you end up using tools normally wielded by right wing reactions. Historica… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/23 12:17 AM |
| 5 | A calm rant about the straight white dude experience in left politicsOkay, you've asserted something, but you haven't backed it up. In what way is it garbage? What specifically was wrong about what I said? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 04:46 PM |
| 4 | A calm rant about the straight white dude experience in left politicsI guess that's where I'm open to it as a single lens among many. I think it's one that was for a long time neglected entirely, but is now in many circles used exclusively. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 04:44 PM |
| 104 | A calm rant about the straight white dude experience in left politicsStandpoint epistemology (you can't understand if you're not directly affected, etc.) is inherently reactionary- it's right wing wing politics in disguise. It devalues universalism, egalitarianism, and especially, solidarity, and elevates in their place sectarianism, xenophobia, and essentialism. It's not that there isn't a place to consider standpoints, but that needs to be one lens among many that we obtain a partial picture from, then move on. Instead, 4th wave feminism and most recent anti-ra… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 11:52 AM |
| 3 | The Great Misunderstanding of IntersectionalityA lot of interesting perspectives, so I want to try a question. Is anyone aware of how proponents of intersectionality respond to the point that it has the effect of siloing interest groups in smaller categories, which benefits Capital as it's inherently anti-solidarity? To me it feels like you can only arrive at it after assuming permanent defeat in the class war, and are seeking instead "equality among the scraps". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/03/23 12:37 PM |
| 13 | Radical Feminist Catharine A MacKinnon is Sexist! She infantilizes women! She wants to get rid of consent legally!Neither does she | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/01/23 03:56 PM |
| 10 | What are the general rebuttals to "Men Commit the Vast Majority of Crime!" talking point?You can point out that they'd never focus on racial crime differences because of nuanced underlying reasons. Men deserve the same consideration. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 04:51 PM |
| 1 | On "Men are trash"Take hope in this: Liberals are not the real left. I see them as a kind of pocket that they get stuck in and flail around with the others somewhere on the way to the actual left. The left cares about material conditions for all human beings, it's not obsessed with microagressions or scoring victim points. Come join us. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/09/22 09:34 PM |
| 9 | The acceptable losses of the "forcefield defense" and possible alternatives?If it were life and death, false activations over non threats are much better than failures to activate over real threats. This is why our body’s fight or flight system can so easily get activated and cause unnecessary problems- it might say to us, “hey, at least you’re alive”. I could be wrong but I think that it’s only been the last 2 or 3 generations that have elevated rape or sexual assault to the level of life and death. Of course we can think of times in purity cultures where rape can have… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/09/22 03:00 PM |
| 23 | Why be on the Left when modern leftism is a virulently anti-male movement?Anything that's fundamentally against half the world's population just simply can't be that way long term. This is a phase they're going through while they experiment with eliminating gender, and when they eventually figure out that this is impossible, they will eventually come to appreciate men again. Also, maybe it's the circles you're running in. Liberals, for sure, but there's no reason for the actual left to be anti male, and much of it really isn't. Jacobin for instance has no whiff of it … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/22 02:49 AM |
| 13 | Being a left-wing male advocate is a special kind of hell/r/stupidpol I think one thing we have to contend with is that liberal politics are largely the ones caught in an identity vortex, but actually left politics does not need to be. We should ensure the actual left doesn’t get tangled in it, and abandon only the libs to their new religion. Hell, there is even a swath of people that the culture war has pushed to rightward camps who would build coalition with us on the left if it meant moving together against culture war bullshit | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/22 09:44 PM |
| 11 | “Privilege” is more grey than black and whiteExactly, when it’s by FAR the biggest factor. Only after having been born in a rich country. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/22 02:21 AM |
| 3 | Is it just me or is the sentiment about male bodies shifting to see them as inferior?Eh? Why Awkwafina? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/05/22 12:02 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone else noticed this shift in feminism…Different question. Trust me I’m happy to find fault with the movement. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/22 11:56 PM |
| 19 | Has anyone else noticed this shift in feminism…They’re not saying the whole thing is good. Is it good that famous men who have been getting away with abuse for decades are finally being held to account, yes or no? That’s enough right there for OP’s point, and that of people you’re referring to. Lots of disagreement after that of exactly how harmful some of the stuff is, and to whom, but we should all agree on the top line. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/22 05:29 PM |
| 9 | I'm so tired of being told "it's not our job to fix men's AND women's issues" from folksI think a related element is that men are the morally lower category. Less human if you will, and therefore you don’t have to expend significant resources like attention on their behalf. It’s much like how the poor are treated in every economic system to date. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/22 11:06 PM |
| 7 | Has the pay gap been completely debunked?I think you forgot the straight “men work more hours at similar rates of pay, therefore they get more money” part that makes up a huge part of the “gap”. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/22 02:35 AM |
| 2 | Does Modern Day Feminism Even Know What it Wants?So I would push back a bit here. I think these people exist, and proliferate on TikTok and Twitter, but are not common among the general population of feminist women. Your second point is very strong. I like it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/22 10:18 PM |
| 1 | Does Modern Day Feminism Even Know What it Wants?This is some of the best original thinking in this area that I've seen in a long time. Well done. Actually, in light of its quality, I'd argue for a sticky. You need to edit for grammar and spelling though, since it's a little difficult to read. To reply to the thrust of your questions at the end, here's my stab. Intersectional Feminism is a critical theory, and like all critical theories, it does not contain a vision- it is a strictly destructive theory. It consists in the push to smash the Pat… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/22 10:13 PM |
| 4 | The Bias Against Boys (Education)Eww Dobson? This guy is full of harmful ideas about families. Wish we could get a better source. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/22 10:23 AM |
| 4 | The word that doesn't fitStart with the assumption that it is a patriarchy, then interpret all evidence through that lens. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/01/22 01:12 AM |
| 4 | Conservative site calls women being excluded from draft registration a “major win”Since both Conservatives and Feminists believe in gender roles we can expect that this kind of thing will stick around. Attempts from the left to make it equal will be half-hearted at best, and will never succeed. What should really happen is to get rid of the draft entirely. Girls shouldn't be oppressed, but neither should boys. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/21 12:10 PM |
| 3 | The worst parts of men's advocacy.Right. Let's act as if it's not a zero sum game unless it definitely needs to be. Lord knows there's a lot that can be done outside that framework. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/21 12:21 AM |
| 7 | Why is MensLib so badYes. Didn’t keep them from seeing the obvious misandry in this guy’s posts. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/11/21 01:04 AM |
| 24 | Why is MensLib so badOn that last point, they may have hosted the Duluth model guy, but they roundly criticized him and the mods for even bringing him on. He got no play over there. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/11/21 12:45 AM |
| 38 | "Girls rule"It’s another little message, and our boys are not stupid, they’re picking them up. None of them are individually significant, but my son asked me the other day if it would really be better to be a girl, saying something to effect that girls are shown in media to be awesome and not boys. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/10/21 05:39 AM |
| 2 | Is there a link between the rise of feminist literature and popularity and the decline of marxist ideas relating to working class and middle class struggle against the ruling class?I'm economically left and socially more or less centrist. My view is that Soviet ideology was really only Marxist on the surface. It began to betray much of the heart of Marxism almost immediately, and generally only got further apart as time went on and conditions worsened. And in other states inspired or coerced by the Soviets, (nearly all other Communist nations) they drank from the same poisoned well. I think we essentially have in front of us a binary choice between ever increasing dominanc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/21 06:05 AM |
| 10 | Is there a link between the rise of feminist literature and popularity and the decline of marxist ideas relating to working class and middle class struggle against the ruling class?Obsession with oppression has blinded them to exploitation. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/21 05:46 AM |
| 1 | Bravo, supreme court: we do need rules to stop men interrupting women | Eleanor MargolisOf course | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/21 07:46 PM |
| 2 | Bravo, supreme court: we do need rules to stop men interrupting women | Eleanor MargolisNo you don’t understand- if she had been a man, Jack Black would have demurred to him with a bow and mumbled statement to the effect of his intellectual superiority. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/21 07:07 PM |
| 3 | How I Went From Being A Anti-Masculinity YKW To A Pro-Humanity Individual Pt 3What’s a YKW? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/10/21 09:59 AM |
| 3 | Male Underachievement and the Gender Turf WarsI’m totally with you. It’s like serious Marxist analysis one minute and Q conspiracies the next. Didn’t know that about the TERF population. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/21 11:54 PM |
| 7 | Male Underachievement and the Gender Turf WarsI mean they’re a little odd, and seem remarkably warm to conservatives, but can’t forget about /r/stupidpol | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/21 12:28 AM |
| 5 | Modern feminists thrive on male suffering at worst, and ignore any of our issues at best. Why shouldn't I start voting red?My answer is that there’s more to life than male identity, and in most of the rest of that, right wing makes things worse. I also agree with others who also find problems in the right’s love of over essentializing gender stuff. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/21 03:53 PM |
| 31 | A new study adds to the growing list of research showing that income is the primary (and perhaps only) predictive factor for a man's chances of getting married. Income is also negatively associated with a woman's chances of getting married.Did you guys see the menslib thread on this? Really trying hard to torture this thing enough to fit it into the patriarchy model. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/08/21 05:24 PM |
| 5 | Can these feminist-aligned, male advocacy groups (MensLib, Good Man Project, NOMAS) make any sort of meaningful contributions if everything they believe is bounded by feminism?I disagree with almost all you guys. Here's why. These groups look at gender issues through a faulty patriarchy lens that distorts and discolors everything they see. I grant that. But there's two things here. First, if we're going to make progress with some of these issues affecting men, we are going to have to wrestle with gender concepts on the societal level, and feminists OWN discourse around gender. They are hostile to us and can afford to be since they are the vast majority of voices. We a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/21 05:55 PM |
| 28 | "Emotional labour" is the term women use when they emotionally abuse men.Can I ask did you have a good relationship with her growing up despite this weakness, and do you have one now? Are your parents still together? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/07/21 03:08 PM |
| 16 | A conversation I had with my brother today about boats, and how that helped me formulate my thoughts about the toxicity of traditional gender roles towards both sexes.One thing I always remember from my cultural anthropology class is that Marriage around the world takes many forms, but it's really simple. It is is primarily an economic contract, secondarily a sexual one, and that's the whole ball of wax. The nature of that contract is remarkably steady across all of time- the male providing the resources and protection, the female providing the the offspring. But the modern world has ways of hijacking that basic contract to create hookup culture. In this case… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/05/21 01:15 PM |
| 6 | Women have problems, men are problems.Me: Sewing, art, house cleaning, reading quietly Also me: 747 pilot, NFL fan, yard work, grilling | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/21 11:23 PM |
| 2 | List of buzzwords against male advocacy and their meaningAs opposed to what, classically unflappable triggerless radfem? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/21 04:24 AM |
| 8 | Reddit admins clarify that they're fine with hate if it's directed towards the right people.Exactly. With such a broad definition, no group could fail to qualify, certainly men do. But it’s the two assumptions back to back. Literally any group vulnerability qualifies. Men aren’t vulnerable, and indeed, can’t be | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/21 12:15 AM |
| 1 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.So personally, my point is not that. It's that those words are now mostly associated with women, not men. It's not that I'm saying it would be considered weird for a man to be "fierce", but that word has been largely reallocated to girls and women. Where the negativity comes in is this. Think of masculine words that are (in recent years) typically applied to men. This is naturally very hard to quantify, which is why it's a shower thought. But I think you'll find that they tend sharply toward the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 07:40 PM |
| 3 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.I mean, maybe. Not my experience, hey, who am I to say. But still, as of now, when you hear the word "fierce" and imagine a person, who comes to mind? I'm conditioned to link it to girl power. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 07:34 PM |
| 1 | Lessons for men from that time a journal published an excerpt of Mein Kampf as a feminist textAgree completely. There's a way in which which it's "too late", and these ideas have ridden a relatively newly established roadway between fringe academic ideas and popular culture and are now established. Where we can make a difference is in taking seriously harmful academic positions, and countering them as much as possible with logic and rationality while they are in their infancy (and still in the academy). This is a very difficult task in at least two different ways. These theories are gene… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 07:31 PM |
| 7 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.What’s funny about that is that I don’t mind them also having masculine traits, as long as we can still have them too. And if they share some of the negative ones, that would go a long way. But we don’t see either of those things. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 01:53 AM |
| 4 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.I mean point is that the subversion is so complete that while we still imagine the world to be static and unchanged, in reality the norms with regard to this have been flipped entirely on their backs, with benefit to women (which is good) but active harm to men | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 01:50 AM |
| 1 | Biological men and women will continue to radically diverge sexually in the near future, facilitated by emerging technologies.Well I’m doing my best with a sardonic one-word reply so that’s what seemed implied. Care to elaborate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/21 06:11 PM |
| 1 | Biological men and women will continue to radically diverge sexually in the near future, facilitated by emerging technologies.And non-capitalism while keeping sex and technological situation the same would help how?🥰 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/21 06:03 PM |
| 2 | To any French posters who are aware of French academia pushing back against US-style ID Politics, please contact meI wouldn’t know, but I would like to point out the irony of the fact that much of the theory underpinning these kinds of approaches are from French thinkers in the 60’s, especially Michel Foucault, Francois Lyotard, and Jacques Derrida. Americans took the next few steps to get us where we are today, but I guess the birds have come back to roost. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/03/21 09:10 PM |
| 1 | Before I join, I have some questions.I agree that egalitarianism is better but nobody was doing that. Better to do a good thing imperfectly and then have to fix it later than to do nothing. But this is pointless, we’re not going to agree. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/03/21 08:39 AM |
| 0 | Before I join, I have some questions.Alright, well I can see we're not going to see eye to eye on this. Though we probably agree that the patriarchy is not real, I will not be moved from the position that women were at disadvantages that were unfair to them, and we needed feminism as a movement to undo these inequities. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/03/21 08:08 AM |
| 0 | Before I join, I have some questions.I mean you don’t think (let’s start with some easy stuff) that any of the aims of first wave feminists were good? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/03/21 06:17 AM |
| 0 | Before I join, I have some questions.It kind of makes sense if you think about the historical perspective. Feminism had (has) an important role to play, but it's a pendulum that doesn't know when to stop and swing back toward the middle. We're the types applying that pressure to it, but we can't expect them to figure it out on their own, they've been swinging in that direction for as long as they can remember, and a state of continuous gains is normal for them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/03/21 05:28 AM |
| 45 | A topic not often talked about with regard to men's issuesThis is called stereotype threat, and everyone faces it in one form or another. The girl might not think anything of being by a playground, but for you it’s all you can think of. Remember that you have every right to be there that she or anyone else does. If someone has a problem, let them come to you themselves and have to confront their own bias of why they feel a big man shouldn’t be there. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/21 01:26 PM |
| 6 | Intersectional MisandryIntentional misandry “The master’s tools will never destroy the master’s house” | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/02/21 01:23 AM |
| 17 | Menslib: Men should have a place in left wing discourse and be able to discuss their issues without judgement or reprisal. Also Menslib:I got downvoted a ton for claiming that it’s normal for men on the whole to be less emotional than women on the whole, that’s it’s not just a universal cultural defect that only males suffer. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/21 05:51 PM |
| 31 | White House Gender Policy Council Discriminates Against Boys & Men.The biggest problem with them is that they refuse to look at issues outside of a 4th wave feminist lens. In other words they start with “how do I make this about women?”, and then congratulate themselves when they manage to achieve that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/21 11:31 PM |
| 6 | The challenges facing Black menI’m concerned about the fact that black men are conspicuously absent from the recent diversity push in federal governance, Warnock aside. Many women of color but very few men. I’d like to find out why this is. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/21 01:05 AM |
| 5 | "I would watch a show that was just Kamala Harris and Katie Porter owning shitty men for an hour."It’s the new “owning the libs”. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/12/20 07:39 AM |
| 5 | Biden chooses an all-female senior White House press teamAdd to this that females earn the majority of college degrees in general let alone that specific field, so good old fashioned meritocracy would make it likely that most of the best trained people for the job are women. We should maybe address why men aren't getting college degrees, but it doesn't mean that it's particularly unfair to men in this instance. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 04:19 AM |
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