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I meant to reply to wynterpetals and ask her/him for sources about this claim: adoption is a billion dollar business. it's all about the money. infants can go for 25k and white infants? 75k+ You are very hostile and have many false assumptions about me and adoptions, but its not worth my time to point them out. If white babies, really cost $75K+ to adopt in the United States I would like to know about it, as it does not match my family's experience, and I do not believe it is the norm. I'm wonde…
/r/MensRights12/09/16 06:00 AM
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So your source indicates that private adoptions can either be thru an agency or an attorney and run $25,000 to $50,000. That's a far cry from your $75000+ claim above. I have many adoptions in my family, most were private, with an attorney. I do know that most expenses were tax deductable. Also international adoptions are much less.
/r/MensRights12/09/16 04:03 AM
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Do you have any sources about the cost of adoption. My parents adopted from a private agency. It was 20 years ago but I doubt the cost has increased that much.
/r/MensRights11/09/16 11:42 PM
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Well there have been a few cases. I dont recall any feminists (nor anyone else) screaming that they wanted the drs and nurses in prison, I dont think the subject ever came up, but the parents were interested in financial compensation.
/r/MensRights11/09/16 07:51 PM
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doctors and nurses would go to prison not if it was based on a mistake and there was no actual intent to switch the babies. But I do agree it would cause outrage.
/r/MensRights11/09/16 06:43 PM
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So far I don't see any indication that his dismissal was based on this allegation. Every quote I read indicates it did not have anything to do with it, or school officials will not comment or that many other things led to his dismissal. I recognize that false allegations happen and it is an important topic for men's rights. When it occurs, it should not be swept under the rug and women should be punished. However, I also know that false recanting happens especially in situations regarding domest…
/r/MensRights11/09/16 05:02 PM
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In his background are proven incidents and rumors of falsified high school transcripts, not a good fit in the locker room, bar fight involving teammates, failing drug test and not showing up for team meetings. My only intent is to make sure MRA know everything before they go suggesting he sue. ...I should clarify that I mean sue for damages, as it might be hard to prove that it was this incident alone that caused him lost earnings.
/r/MensRights10/09/16 07:19 PM
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FYI, controversy has surrounded Jovon Robinson since high school. So know his background before you use this situation for MRA causes or suggest that he sue. The article indicates many things led to his dismissal. A few things in his background: false transcripts, drunken altercations, not getting along with teammates, failing drug test, and not showing up for team meetings.
/r/MensRights10/09/16 05:03 PM
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Just an FYI, Jovon Robinson has been surrounded by controversy since high school. I would be careful about using this as an example for MRA's. Even the article indicates the woman's claim is not why he was dismissed
/r/MensRights10/09/16 04:48 PM
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Firstly the father's name needs to be on the birth certificate I dont think this is correct. In the situations I mentioned above the fathers were not on birth certificates. They have a say if and only if they are granted that say by the mother. That is not true either. While there may be some loopholes which need closing, especially in Utah, but the mother has to lie or be deceptive in some way. She cannot honestly give a child up for adoption if she knows the father is not in agreement (she has…
/r/MensRights10/09/16 07:50 AM
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Can you please list a source, because everything I know tells me otherwise. My own parents lost an adoption because the birth father would not sign and just this week a case was posted about a father who won custody of his daughter after the mother did not tell him about the birth and that she had placed the baby up for adoption. He found out about the birth and adoption, went to court , and against the mothers wishes, won custody.
/r/MensRights09/09/16 05:25 PM
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A woman does not owe her male partner an abortion everytime they have sex. If his method of birth control failed (or was not implemented) then he owes support to the child just like she does, Abortion is a form of birth control. Wether she uses it or not is up to her, and her only. Both choose what method they use or don't use and if they choose to use birth control, they choose the risk of it failing.
/r/MensRights06/09/16 03:55 PM
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I only speak for myself. Men and women are biologically different. That's a fact. I don't like it when feminists don't acknowledge the difference and I don't like it when MRAs don't acknowledge the difference. When you have two genders with different motivations and different consequences (like you do in sex and reproduction), you get different behavior. I don't think either men or women should be shamed for their behavior when it is motivated by their biological disposition. So because of their…
/r/MensRights05/09/16 10:53 PM
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"Equality" is subjective when you have different factors which can be measured. There are lots of ways to measure "equality". In regards to LPS MRA's have chosen the way that is most beneficial to them, but the rest of society may not see it the same, and may measure equality differently: each partner had their own choice to expose their gamete for pregnancy or not, each failed, each have equal responsibility to raise the child. Seems equal and fair. If things were more fair, OP's co-worker migh…
/r/MensRights05/09/16 10:28 PM
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Brutes it is! Even ethical people tend to act selfishly and take the path of least resistance if we make it easy for them to do so. For example, ethical people know they need to pay back financial debt, but we still make them sign a contract and add penalties for non-payment rather than just let them do a handshake and the honor system. A person may owe three creditors on the same day, so ethically he needs to pay each of them, but if he is unable to pay all three, he is most likely going to pay…
/r/MensRights05/09/16 07:55 PM
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What if the woman does not want him to be involved in the pregnancy? She wants the child all to herself, and she has the right to medical privacy. The logic behind LPS would give her the right to not include the father after birth since it is all her decisions.
/r/MensRights05/09/16 06:47 PM
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LPS allows men to get the benefit of having offspring without any responsibility. We already know many men change their mind. We also know children are a lot of work when they are babies and the benefit of having children often occurs later. It is quite feasible that many men will do LPS and also reap the benefits of fatherhood by having a relationship with their child. You will have to convince society that this is fair.
/r/MensRights05/09/16 06:43 PM
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Nope, biological fathers have a say in adoption. I have a case like this in my own family.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 09:39 PM
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When a man wants a child, you and others seem to think a man makes a "decision" or a "choice" to have a baby. Men cannot choose or decide to have babies because men don't have babies, only women do, which is a prominent point you make as to why woman should be 100% responsible. if you want women to live by their biological disposition and not have help of the courts to give them any compensation, then you should place the same expectations on to men. LPS is based on babies only belonging to wome…
/r/MensRights04/09/16 08:17 PM
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I cant imagine a man not taking the option of LPS if it were on the table, even if he wants to be a father. The benefit is too great especially for a young father. This will turn society into a ghetto, where fathers are on the periphreal, in and out of the child's life. They can easily re-enter any time they want, but society will never hold them financially responsible. It's not a society I want.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 06:53 PM
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I am referring to the sperm to egg ratio (what is it, about 5 million to 1?) and that a woman presents a viable egg once a month, and can only produce healthy children until about age 40. She also has times where no egg is presented like during pregnancy and after birth . On the other hand, men produce millions of sperm daily and a man can fertilize an egg any day of his adult life. So to ask a man to throw away one of his reproductive oppurtunities is different than asking a woman to throw away…
/r/MensRights04/09/16 06:22 PM
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I think taking away the mother's position of automatically getting custody after birth would help, and putting them more often into a situation of handing the newborn baby over to the father and paying child support to him would curb things. Women need less custody of children and they need to be paying more child support. Make it more of a buren on them.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 06:12 PM
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The way I see it, you and others are saying only women make the choice to have babies, so all babies fully belong to mothers. This is bad for a man who wants to be a father to his child whether the pregnancy was planned or not. LPS does not give him any rights to his child.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 06:08 PM
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when adoption occurs neither the biological mother and father are being charged for the cost of the children. They both get that benefit.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 06:01 PM
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..and men wont have to think at all. LPS swings the pendulum too far. Men would then have no responsibility.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 05:59 PM
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Perhaps you are only thinking of newborns and worldwide. There are expenses associated with bringing a foreign baby into this country, that a local adoption doesn't have. And currently the USA has many children that are not adopted because there are not enough willing parents.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 05:47 PM
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"equality" is subjective when two people start out unequal in many ways. Women have limited reproductive opportunities compared to men.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 05:40 PM
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the tax break is no incentive. it costs alot to adopt a child. The adopting couple does not come out ahead.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 07:50 AM
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I think each person should be responsible for his/her gametes. The problem I see is that this gives the man an extra choice, as he already made his choice while his gametes were in his control, now he wants a "do-over". His choice to "abort" involves the female's gamete (as they have bonded together, fertilization). Now his choice to remove his gamete effects her gamete and involves only her body. He wants to make a choice that she is responsible for carrying out. This now assigns her responsibi…
/r/MensRights04/09/16 07:48 AM
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I'm with you. I'm opposed to it too. MRAs need to be fighting for rights to stay connected to their kids not rights to disconnect.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 07:30 AM
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That link just takes you to another thread. What actually happened to registHer.com?
/r/MensRights04/09/16 07:27 AM
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You need to understand the context. He was speaking of husband and wife working together in a business owned by the husband. In other words, he says people should be cautious about hiring their spouses to work with them or for them.
/r/MensRights14/08/16 07:07 PM
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Dont know if this has been posted yet, but a quick google brings up a few cases, including this one: http://www.katytxattorneys.com/blog/2015/november/mother-jailed-for-failure-to-pay-child-support/
/r/MensRights13/08/16 03:26 AM
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Hard to know how your girlfriends parents will react. I would not be happy if my daughter were dating a guy that bails on his own kid. Have you and your present girlfriend decided how you will handle an unexpected pregnancy? Try and see it from her parent's perspective. They will probably try and decide wether you really did everything you could to avoid parenthood, or if there is a chance you really wanted sex, and in the moment didn't care what happened to your female partner, and if that is t…
/r/MensRights12/08/16 05:30 PM
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ZL9791 said it perfectly. You did NOT do everything you could to avoid the situation. Get a vasectomy! If MRA wants to continue on, we have to influence the next generation, otherwise we will die out.
/r/MensRights12/08/16 05:10 PM
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The "home state" is not neccesarily the state the child was born in. There are contributing factors, and situations that can be contested, especially if it appears that she intentionally moved states to keep the child away from the father or to attempt to give herself a better legal standing.
/r/MensRights12/08/16 09:21 AM
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Does mail come to her at your house? if so get proof (take a photo of envelope with address, or confiscate a envelope) get the earliest dates as possible to current. Because she may later try and say she was just visiting or never really lived there. This will also help to get your state as the "home state" for all court related to parenting. It will also help establish your home as the primary home.
/r/MensRights09/08/16 02:52 PM
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And the link thegrimraeper posted above doesn't prove anything. That lawsuit was about hairstyles. Hooters had a rule about color of hair and fired a black girl for her blonde streaks, but the girl was able to prove that Hooters was not applying the rule to other girls. So she won a settlement. edit: for clarity, typos and to indicate who I was responding to
/r/MensRights23/01/16 07:21 PM
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Yeah, there are some laws which allow for this. Maybe "performers" was not the correct term used in the law (like someone tried to explain in another post, but the idea is still the same. I may not word it correctly either, but it has something to do with a certain look being part of your brand. I dont see this as a men's rights issue and I hope the guy looses.
/r/MensRights23/01/16 07:14 PM
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I think you will find that records indicate the opposite. His child support changed because he lied about his income in the first place, so when they found out about his true income, the amount changed . All court records indicate both sides were present for all hearings, including the child support modification hearing.
/r/MensRights19/01/16 07:09 PM
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There were no issues to how his payments were processed by "the state." There were issues to how his deductions were done by his employer. His employer was not taking enough out (I think the Snopes article says "sporatically"), but it is ultimately his responsibilty to make sure that the correct amount is sent to the state. Plus he had ample warning and time to correct the situation. I remember the father having quite a rap sheet of everything he did to aggravate the mother, so maybe the judge w…
/r/MensRights19/01/16 06:28 AM
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You are free to believe what you want. This case is so old and I don't have energy to dig up everything on it, but the father's claim that he was not notified is a lie he is telling the media. The court documents indicate his attorney was present at every hearing (someone once posted a link to court records). According to records, no court hearings were held without both sides present. He and the mother had ongoing issues about him not following the visitation schedule and his antics were delibe…
/r/MensRights19/01/16 12:23 AM
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This story is soooo old, and it has been debunked. The father is a liar and someone posted links to his court case which favored the mother's version of events. He never "overpaid" he paid late and only after the threat of jail, so he was still in contempt. He was in contempt for other things as well that had been ongoing issues. There was no evidence that the father was not notified because court records indicated he or his lawyer was present at every hearing. There was more than one contempt h…
/r/MensRights18/01/16 10:46 PM
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start by changing "goon" to "good"
/r/MensRights07/01/16 04:31 AM
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I'm not in the military, but I thought this was pretty standard knowledge. The military places high value on marriage. Correct me if I am wrong, but if you live on base you cannot have a live in girlfriend, right?. I think you should expect family benefits to only extend to married people in the military, it's been this way forever.
/r/MensRights04/01/16 11:27 PM
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Never donate sperm!!
/r/MensRights02/01/16 01:53 AM
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You seem to be the one injecting emotions and opinions as you want these definitions to fit your agenda. That's why you define life one way, but then attach non-scientific opinions to your definitions. When speaking about a fetus, you said: Well, the fact that it's not life if you're not religious All I am saying is that according to all biological classifications, a fetus is a human being. a fetus is human life. If we can agree on that we are done and even if we dont agree, I am done.
/r/MensRights02/01/16 01:49 AM
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I use definitions set by the scientific community and base it on genetic code and biological classifications. I don't know anyone with a biology background who argues that a fetus is not "life." Setting religious arguments aside, what most pro-life vs pro-choice people are arguing is when that life has rights.
/r/MensRights02/01/16 12:52 AM
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I assume most of your young fathers are unmarried and are not the custodial parent. That is the problem right there. Even up the playing field. Support laws that would give unmarried fathers more custody, not something they have to ask the court for or fight for. It should be automatic. If women did not automatically get to walk out of the hospital with the baby and had to pay more child support for having children out of wedlock, there would be less children born out of wedlock.
/r/MensRights02/01/16 12:19 AM
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I'm a pro-life atheist biologist. Everything I know tells me a fetus is a human life according to all scientific definitions. Just sayin....
/r/MensRights01/01/16 10:23 PM
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Take Karissa and Chevelah's advice. It is spot on!
/r/MensRights31/12/15 06:16 AM
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Being behind on child support is totally separate issue, and will not effect your rights to be involved in medical decisions for your daughter. First, contact the mother and tell her your concerns. Do so in a way, where you will be able to prove that you did (like text or email) Be calm and factual because every text conversation will likely show up in court later. Try and resolve the issue on your own. For example, tell the mother your concerns, ask what led up to this diagnosis and treatment a…
/r/MensRights31/12/15 06:06 AM
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What does your parenting plan say about holidays and who gets them on Christmas? it is standard for one parent to get them even years, and the other parent get them odd years. Anyway, document everything and take it to a judge. Never delete texts or any other evidence. Also, usually travel expenses are paid by the parent who moved away. You may want to ask your attorney about that. edit: I forgot that OP said he gave up all custody, so perhaps that means there is no parenting plan, and OP can on…
/r/MensRights28/12/15 08:58 AM
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Telling your girlfriend you do not want kids, is not the same as telling her you expect her to abort if she gets pregnant. If you expect her to abort any accidental pregnancies you need to tell her so in those exact terms. When I was dating my wife, she would have left me on the spot if I had that type of expectation. I imagine most girls would, unless you are dating a woman who enthusiastically declares she would abort. You need to be honest and make sure you and your girlfriend's attitudes abo…
/r/MensRights28/12/15 06:53 AM
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Using biological terms, a fetus is a human being. Using legal terms, a fetus is not a person.
/r/MensRights28/12/15 06:42 AM
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Planned parenthood also supports male circumcision, they argued against a bill that would have banned public funding for routine infant circumcision.
/r/MensRights28/12/15 06:31 AM
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it's that while the reverse would never be tolerated, I'm not given the same respect and am told to accept what's unacceptable the other way round. I think you are mistaken. There are just as frequently signs like this in women's restrooms and women's locker rooms.
/r/MensRights27/12/15 05:07 AM
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I know when consent was given. Often times consent has limits. The judge concluded that this consent had limits. Just like when you let someone borrow your car and you hand over your keys. Even if the two people don't discuss what the limts are, there are usually limits.
/r/MensRights23/12/15 05:32 PM
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Most likely the boyfriend could not prove that the non-written consent lasted indefinately. Not all consent lasts forever.
/r/MensRights23/12/15 07:57 AM
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I dont think it was necessarily a bailout from her mistake. I think the decision may have been based on laws just like the article indicated. Also the subject line is not quite accurate, as she is not retroactively revoking her consent to make the sex tape. She is enforcing the terms of the consent.
/r/MensRights23/12/15 05:48 AM
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When you say "he did not sign" who is "he?" bio dad or ex? I dont understand why bio dad didn't sign the birth certificate. In most states you have a few days to sign at hospital even if mother has already been discharged (like up to 5 days) if you dont sign at hospital then you have to go to some other location and sign like court house or dept of vital stats. A far as I know, if a father is willing to sign, there are no questions asked. Courts only get involved if they are summons, so I am not…
/r/MensRights22/12/15 06:53 PM
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I dont get how all this informarion came in to play before you and the bio dad signed the birth certificate in the hospital. Unless I am misunderstanding, the only way the birth certificate agency would have known all this is if you told them.
/r/MensRights22/12/15 02:10 AM
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I dont understand why the dudes mom is supporting the girl, but whatever, it may work out in his favor. Keep up that living situation. prepare to have the baby live at the mom's home. This makes that father's family the regular and only home for the baby which sets him up in a better position to ask for full custody and have child support paid to him. The only thing I am not sure of is wether its is best to tell the girl about the plans or not. I knew one guy in a similar situation. He told the …
/r/MensRights21/12/15 07:52 PM
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Also talk to an attorney about the tax thing and who gets to use the tax benefits. The IRS change policy regarding that a few years ago, and I dont think it is up to parents to decide anymore (but I cant be sure) the last thing you want to do is lie to the IRS. You also dont want your ex to use tax filings for any "proof" so I would figure out how the IRS wants it done and do what they say. A family law attorney should be familiar with how tax filing works.
/r/MensRights18/12/15 08:03 AM
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Document everything. Document all meetings and conversations with teachers. Keep a journal. Also set up a "well child check" with a pediatrician and make that dr your daughters regular doctor. Keep receipts and journal of all spending towards the care of your daughter. Showing a judge that you have handled education and medical care means alot.
/r/MensRights18/12/15 07:04 AM
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By all scientific definitions a human fetus is a human being.
/r/MensRights18/12/15 06:58 AM
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I could care less. I think both genders should be able to have male only or female only places.
/r/MensRights12/12/15 01:04 AM
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Yes!!! and I recommend you do go to the police.
/r/MensRights12/12/15 12:48 AM
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I'm a manager of employees, and if I had someone like you I would be looking to replace you. I live in a "at will" state which mean I can fire anyone for any reason. My reason would be that I would rather have someone who is pleasant to be around compared to someone who is not pleasant. I would also have a problem with someone who treats the women different than the men. I do suspect you might be on the spectrum like others have mentioned or suffer social anxiety. If you are, you should tell you…
/r/MensRights10/12/15 06:08 AM
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Not using a lawyer, but your still filing with the court, right? (a legal divorce must be signed by a judge and filed with the court) I'm not in NJ, but in my state as you file divorce papers it will ask about children. If there are children, then the divorce decree must include a parenting plan and a parenting plan must include an order for child support based on the state worksheet (which calculates the amount of child support based on both parent's income). If a parent pays less then the amou…
/r/MensRights10/12/15 04:42 AM
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The link you provided about state matching funds is about federal gov reimbursing the state for expenses relating to child support enforcement, they dont match the actual monthly child support money. If there is a divorce decree and children from the marriage, then I believe there must be a parenting plan which would include a child support order, but if both parents are happy paying and receiving directly, they can keep it that way, and as long as neither parent is on welfare or financial hards…
/r/MensRights10/12/15 04:21 AM
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Sorry, but I am doubting some of the details in your story. If she makes $100K a year, I assume she is a specialized RN or similar. This takes alot of education. Specialized nurses, especially in a hospital setting, have a lot of oversight including drug tests. Makes no difference if they are nightshift or not. Perhaps she is a bad person with addiction tendencies or maybe she does not make as much as you say. I work in the medical field and my wife is an RN, and I just find it hard to believe y…
/r/MensRights28/11/15 08:52 AM
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for paternity tests to hold up in court, they test both parents and the baby for this very reason.
/r/MensRights24/11/15 04:41 AM
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Nope. When there is a child support order on record with the court and neither parent is on public asistance, it often says father shall pay mother at the first of every month. Many parents send a check directly to the other parent. I think you are confusing when there is no child support order and there is an issue of back support and/or especially if the children recieved public assistance. Often then any money that had been previously exchanged may be considerred a gift or not counted as "sup…
/r/MensRights28/05/15 04:42 AM
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Dont sell your self short. It sounds like child would be better off with you. As a single dad you will be eligable for public assistance, you may even get some of your schooling paid for. Talk to someone at your school who knows about this stuff. If I were you I would go for full custody right from the start. The courts dont think it terms of temporary custody. Once the child is placed with some one other than you, that will likely be the permanent arrangement. Also, ALWAYS file charges in DV si…
/r/MensRights27/05/15 09:26 PM
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I hope you see your mistakes, so I wont preach. I would stop contacting her, other than to check on the pregnancy and keep a record. The last thing you want is for her to tell the court you abandoned her during pregnancy as this could unfortunately cut off your paternal rights. Record phone calls and save all communications. Does your state have a paternal registry? Find out and use it if it does. In some states a father must register within a certain amount of time or loose his parental rights.…
/r/MensRights27/05/15 09:21 PM
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What you say about mothers cuttng out the father....Are you refering to during the pregnancy or after the child is born? Because during pregnancy it is often a case of the mother having the right to medical privacy. However, I do remeber one case where the father sought information about the health of the fetus and a judge ruled that he was entitled to it. After a child is born, she cannot legally cut the father out. He has rights to his child. There was an article posted here just the other day…
/r/MensRights27/05/15 05:11 PM
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I agree that single parenthood should be discouraged as it is not good for kids, So I would support any changes which give incentive for mothers and fathers to live in the same household. However, I do not support the idea that able fathers should not financially support their children and should have a free pass to have children without financial responsibilities. This would be too great of a benefit and swings the pendulum too far. Even willing fathers who want to be involved with their kids w…
/r/MensRights27/05/15 04:54 PM
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Please add sources and links so people can see the direct quotes from Emma, and that they are not just hearsay. Otherwise people may think you are just passing along gossip and not factual events. Make sure your quotes are verbatim and not paraphrasing. I also think Emma claimed in an interview that she had been raped before (twice, I think) this may be good to include so people can see that she often claims rape.
/r/MensRights27/05/15 04:40 PM
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OP, I think you need to include some sources for your claims. I also recommend you stick to facts, not generalizations based on your opinions. I see many children benefiting from child support. Many parents pay CS directly to the other parent. Only those with children on public assistance make their payment through a government office unless a recipient requests it (hands the case over to them) which often occurs if a recipient has had trouble collecting in the past.
/r/MensRights27/05/15 04:03 PM
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NO!NO!NO! birth control and female hormones has NOTHING to do with estrogen causing the drop in male testosterone levels. The estrogen molecule forms from plastics! The increase of plastic production, use and then disposal is to blame. When plastic breaks down in forms a type of estrogen molecule.
/r/MensRights27/05/15 01:21 AM
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Women like all others in society hear these types of statements frequently (I call them castration "jokes"). These jokes are often said between men. In other words, she has become immune and thinks of them as no big deal because that is what society has taught her. It is up to you to tell her how you feel about these "jokes" and see how she responds. If she respects your feelings, that is good. If she laugh it off as you being overly sensitive, then run. I would also ask her about her feminist b…
/r/MensRights23/04/15 07:25 PM
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but either parent can use safe haven, either parent can rescue their baby from safe haven if they decide they want the child and neither parent is paying child support.
/r/MensRights23/04/15 04:06 PM
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I dont think a woman can do this. Can you give some supporting links.
/r/MensRights23/04/15 02:57 AM
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It should never be mandatory for every single birth. But as it is now in the United States, any father on the birth certificate can get a DNA test if he wants one. If a father is not on the birth certificate and he wants a DNA test to prove he is the father (and he can show that there is a chance he is), then the courts should step in and allow him one. And any potential father can request a DNA test before he starts paying child support for a newborn.
/r/MensRights22/04/15 09:16 PM
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In regards to the Craiglsist comment: It still holds true that only a small part of the female population engage in group sex. From what I have seen on craigslist, there are usually no posts for group sex, just one-on-one sex. The posts who claim to be women are usually pimps with recycled photos and what is advertised as "free sex" is just to get you interested. Almost all craiglsists sex posts are a front for prostitution. Legit free sex swinger sites have way more men wanting to join compared…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 01:04 AM
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These are the types of cases which should be tried in court where all the evidence can be presented.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 11:22 PM
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There are also DNA test which can be done before birth. It is a simple blood test and not harmful to the unborn baby. These are fairly new, so most people are not aware. They run about $1200. This may be cheaper than an attorney.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:11 PM
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HIRE AN ATTORNEY NOW! I know I am late to the game, but I hope OP sees this. Do not confront the girl unless your lawyer advices you to. Once she becomes aware of your concern, she will likely block you on Facebook. Get screen shots of her Facebook and save all communications you have from her. On her Facebook search back to the date you hooked up and see if she mentions anything about going out that night. You might also want to collect names from her facebook and try and figure out who her fam…
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:02 PM
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Something similar to this was posted at an MRA site indicating it could happen in the USA. But whoever posted it did not investigate and just assumed. In reality a person cannot collect public assisatance that puts them above the poverty line. A single parent might be able to collect one or more benefits, but not all (unless they had like 10 kids). All benefits are counted as income, and as soon as a single parent's income is above poverty counting all sources including child support and governm…
/r/MensRights07/01/15 06:04 AM
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Can you show a link indicating that it is not considered income? not trying to be a hard ass. In the USA CS is declared as income but not under "wages".
/r/MensRights07/01/15 04:29 AM
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No, a contract would never hold up. Like others are saying, the CS belongs to the child, not the mother. And while you and your gilfrien might think sex is just for fun. mother nature does not. Just wanna point out a few things. Birth control pills are not 100% effective. When some one declares they do not want a child, this is not the same as promissing to abort an unplanned pregnancy. You need to discuss this with her, and make sure you are on the same page. The choice is ultimately hers, if s…
/r/MensRights07/01/15 04:21 AM
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As far as I know he never admitted lying but his story was not very beleivable when compared to the mothers's and clinic's story. I beleive the fertility clinic threatened to come after him with legal fees if he continued to say things they could prove to be lies, and that is why the guy suddenly stopped talking to the media. What was damming was that he had a request from the fertility clinic for blood work. He could not explain the blood work and how/why it got to the fertility clinic. There w…
/r/MensRights03/10/14 05:58 AM
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The OP article is a re-hash of the 2011 article. Click on the link within the article, the statement about finding the receipt "this February" is in the 2011 article. This story was already posted in reddit/mens rights two year ago, as at the time the father was making the rounds to all the media outlets. I dont know if it was at reddit or other place, but the mother had a video of her side of the story and I just remember her side sounding much more realistic. Someone from the area in the legal…
/r/MensRights02/10/14 08:31 PM
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Guys, you can keep going if you want, but this case is old. It happened in my area. The dude was full of shit. The case was thrown out because the fertility clinic came in full force and presented all of their evidence that made it obvious that he participated in the fertility treatment. Store bought condoms have spermacide and would not be accepted for IVF, that was just one of several gaffs in his story. They told the guy that he better shut up about the clinic being responsible for any neglig…
/r/MensRights02/10/14 07:49 AM
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The father had no evidence to support his story, he was even caught lying about his living situation. The fertility company had evidence to support their story which was that he was a willing participant in the fertility treatment. The clinic's evidence included his blood work and his signature on receipts.
/r/MensRights02/10/14 06:48 AM
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yes. he lied. He made the story up to try and get out of paying child support. This is old "news"
/r/MensRights02/10/14 06:09 AM
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I'm MRA atheist and pro-life. I hope the MRA does not make this incident out to be about abortion. This is about a feminist professor who bullies, steals and assaults because she does not agree with the message of the protesters and feels she has full authority to stop the free speech of others.
/r/MensRights14/03/14 04:36 PM
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Firefighters do not let those guys leave the station until they get the cops on the line You'll have to show me some proof. A firfighter cannot hold a person against his will without being charged with a crime like illegal arrest. I'm familiar with procedures. No fireman that I have ever known or firestation that I have ever worked in has instructed firemen to do what you are claiming. Most states have policies about anonymity and safe haven, so a person does not even need to give their name. Th…
/r/MensRights02/03/14 11:21 PM
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Only in a limited sense do women not have to worry about having sex and risk raising a child, but aborting or even going through birth and then adopting are not comparable to signing LPS documents. You are comparing apples to oranges for the sake of equal outcome, and you are only measuring the financial outcome. A woman has more than finances to consider, and men are only considering finances in LPS. A woman's fertility is more limited compared to a mans fertility. Everytime a women goes throug…
/r/MensRights27/02/14 08:05 PM
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I think you would have a hard time convincing society that women owe men abortions if the man doesnt use birth control or if the man's birth control fails. You also indicate that men do not need to use birth control as all responsibility is on the woman. And if women have all the responsibilities, then they would have all the rights. You seem to think men automatically have paternity rights unless they opt out. That means you think they are inherent, but you want paternal responsibility to be a …
/r/MensRights27/02/14 04:32 PM
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If he wants the child and she wont share, then it would be a drawback for him, in my opinion.
/r/MensRights27/02/14 04:52 AM
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Your not seeing the flaws in your argument. If she did not consent to have a child with him, and he did not express a desire to have a child (infact he expressed the exact opposite). If an accidental pregnancy occurs, she could then decide to not abort and have the baby as soley hers. He would have no rights to the child. That's just one of the drawbacks. You cant claim that paternity rights are inherent, but paternity responsibilities are a matter of legal procedures. You have already claimed t…
/r/MensRights26/02/14 06:18 AM
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it will turn everything into a ghetto. it will create a matriarch society and convoluted families. Many of these fathers will have relationships with their children, but none of the responsibility.
/r/MensRights26/02/14 05:20 AM
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This means that all children belong to women. If a man did not consent to a child before sex, and she gives birth, the man will have no claim to his child unless the woman grants it to him. That's one drawback. Also all men who I know who did not want pregnancy or children have been good fathers to their unplanned children. I think only a small percentage would not be involved with their children.
/r/MensRights26/02/14 05:10 AM
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They use the media to publicize the safe haven baby. They encourage both mother and father to come forward anonymously. Any possible father can come forward and request DNA test and would have option of custody if he was a fit parent and the circumstances do not involve statutory rape. Mothers usually need medical care for after birth issues and she would also be given option to change mind if she is a fit parent. Unfortunately most safe haven babies are thought to be from unpleasant circumstanc…
/r/MensRights18/02/14 12:14 AM
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source? I am an emergency room nurse. Occasionally we get briefed on our safe haven procedures. Any parent can drop off a newborn with no questions asked. However, if possible we are supposed to try and engage them in converasation to try and get as much info as possible for the sake of the baby as well as offer the parent counseling and services, but we cant force information from them or detain them against their will. Thats the way the safe haven law in my state is written. I think all states…
/r/MensRights17/02/14 06:22 PM
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His responsibility other than giving medical history ended when he sold the sperm to the couple. I disagree. Before you purposely conceive a child you have a responsibility to the child and society that the child will be cared for. Otherwise you have no moral responsibility and could concieve children with pedephiles, child abusers, conception for research, etc.
/r/MensRights03/02/14 04:34 AM
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One thing that complicates this case is the fact that the father did originally sign adoption papers. He later claimed that he didn't know what he signed.
/r/MensRights26/09/13 05:17 AM
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The author also wants comments at her FAcebook page. once youget on her page scroll down and you will see her discussing this same article and asking "why?" https://www.facebook.com/InsideOutMotherhood
/r/MensRights22/09/13 07:54 PM
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Also, I dont think you can pile benefits on top of each other. I was told by someone that you need to declare every type of benefit and they translate it to a dollar amount like income. Once you are above the poverty line, you no longer qualify for additional state or federal benefits. But I think it might be easy to cheat. This needs to stop.
/r/MensRights21/08/13 05:58 AM
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As far as I can tell Jason Patric changed his mind about his fathering role after birth. I amnot sure I can agree with him.
/r/MensRights21/08/13 01:22 AM
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Is the site associated with Elam and avoiceformen ?
/r/MensRights21/08/13 12:56 AM
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I'm not for forcing it, that would be against medical ethics as well as against personal rights, but if a man has the choice to get it, and he chooses not to, well then he should live with the consequences if a baby is conceived.
/r/MensRights09/05/13 06:09 PM
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Many adoptions are "closed" where neither party identifies themselves. This way the adopting parents can be assured that birth parents will not harass them. So paper abortion is a quite different as there would be a good chance that the mother and father are in close proximity and have mutual friends. The most extreme example I can think of would be if the couple already had one child and were living together and a second pregnancy occurred that the father signs a paper abortion. I cannot really…
/r/MensRights16/03/13 08:05 AM
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I don't know where you are from, but where I am from men generally have to do more to get sex compared to the women. So if women start demanding sex contracts, then men will start signing them. Let's say a woman is drunk and horny and ready to leave the bar. She probably has her choice of multiple men to go home with. She has a sex contract in her purse for any willing man to sign. These contracts would become popular like condoms. Women would likely refuse to go home with you unless you signed …
/r/MensRights16/03/13 06:54 AM
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See, I think you are dead wrong. If sex contracts became a thing, they could be unique, but lets say a typical contract says that if an accidental pregnancy occurs, the man will either pay for half the cost of abortion,plus related expenses or he will contribute to half of the necessities of raising a child. The women will get to choose because legally she should be allowed to choose risks to her body. Even if a woman does not particularly want a child at the time of sex, she would likely have e…
/r/MensRights16/03/13 06:30 AM
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In safe haven it is assumed that both parents are transfering rights and responsibilities. If the father is not , he can rescue and claim his child from Safe Haven if he wants and force child support from the mother, so it is not really a unilateral decision. Society has not accepted the allowing of just one parent to abandon via safe haven/adoption (assuming both parents are known and able to support the child). In ordor to pursuade society to allow paper abortion for fathers, you would have to…
/r/MensRights15/03/13 08:33 PM
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I was giving my opinion as to why I believe abortion is wrong, but current laws do not agree with me. However, nearly 50% of the general population of both men and women tend to be pro-life. In discussing paper abortion, it seems like those supporting it are equating consent to sex with agreement to have an abortion should accidental pregnancy occur. It seems to me that if paper abortion became a thing, women (especially pro-life women) would then counter it with a pre-sex contract stipulating t…
/r/MensRights15/03/13 12:55 AM
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So where is the list of reproductive responsibilities?
/r/MensRights14/03/13 10:35 PM
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I read somewhere that feminists actually lobbied against allowing more types of birth control to be created for men. Unless you can cite, I don't think this is true. Women in general are very supportive of male birth control.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 10:10 PM
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IN Safe Haven the mother is really not abandoning. She is transfering rights and responsibilities to an accepting party. Financial abortion is true abandonemnt as there is no responsibility on the father to find an accepting party.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 10:08 PM
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Pro-life mra here. if a woman places a child in her body (by having sex, which creates the human baby), then she owes the child a safe escape. it's not like some random baby just showed up in her body. She took active steps to place the baby there.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 09:16 PM
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yes, he can. Fathers have blocked adoptions and rescued babies from safe havens.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 09:11 PM
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If paper abortion became a thing, then I think women would start demanding men to sign a pre-sex contract saying that they would share in the financial responsibility if any accidental pregnancy resulting in children. This would still give women the option of abortion as that would be impossible to take away since it is based on privacy and bodily autonomy, and basically health risks. While still giving her the option to go through childbirth if she doesn't want an abortion. If sex contracts bec…
/r/MensRights14/03/13 09:08 PM
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The male benefit of creating offspring is the genetic longevity. If paper abortion becomes a thing, then men would get to spread their genetics without any responsibility. This is a benefit to a father's father as well. When the child becomes an adult, the father can then walk back into the child's life and enjoy the furthering of his genes via grandchildren. For those of you promoting paper abortion, would their be any revocation of the paper abortion if it could be proven the father was active…
/r/MensRights14/03/13 08:59 PM
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I think anonymity means her name wont be publicized. I don't think it means a father could not sue the mother for child support in a family courtroom if a father rescues a baby from Safe Haven. As far as men not knowing who they got pregnant. That is one of the biological differences between men and women, not much we can do about it. Most men consider it a benefit. We can improve the system, but I am not sure how. Would we require men to leave contact information every time they had a one-night…
/r/MensRights14/03/13 03:09 PM
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Can you give a source? I only know of one case where father claimed baby from safe haven and there was no mention wether mother is paying support or not, but she should. When a father claims full custody of child it is standard that mother pays support to father and I know of situations where mothers pay child support.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 12:27 AM
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Except that fathers have claimed babies from safe haven and fathers have blocked adoptions.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 10:01 PM
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I see it as each partner has an equal duty to protect their "reproductive cells" (sperm or ovum) if they do not want a baby. If conception occurs, then obviously they BOTH failed and are equally responsible for allowing their cells to conceive. The women has a longer period to remove her ovum because after conception it stays in her body as a fertilized ovum (aka fetus). But she does not owe the man anything for his failure to protect his sperm. Consent to sex is not agreement to abort. I am a p…
/r/MensRights13/03/13 09:43 PM
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This is a female CEO making a business decision because she feels it will improve productivity for the company. If you ask me, seems like the right call. Male CEOs make decisions like this all the time. What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights27/02/13 01:10 AM
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So far I have not seen any evidence of any law EVER. Maybe your doctor is wrong or mis-interpreted what might have allowed for individual doctors to decide if they want to request wifey's permission or not.
/r/MensRights21/02/13 02:57 AM
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Some doctors make up their own office policy.
/r/MensRights21/02/13 02:53 AM
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I am not finding anything that suggests there was ever a law in Michigan or anywhere else that requires wife's permission for a vasectomy. What I think has happened is that some doctors elected make it their own office policy of requiring wife's permission (a terrible policy) and perhaps now Michigan has made it illegal for offices to make these types of policies. If I am wrong, or if anyone can clarify, please let me know.
/r/MensRights21/02/13 02:52 AM
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You had a choice, you just made the wrong choice if you did not want a child. You had the choice to ejaculate into a female and you chose to do so. Your choice has effected her body. So quit acting like only her choices are effecting you. The only unjust situation I see is why mothers always get the kid. Too bad you don't get the kids and then demand support from them. Also if you are in love with your other kids mother, you might want to choose to spend more time with her and less time sticking…
/r/MensRights15/02/13 07:59 PM
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I agree. I don't support the MRA on this issue as women have longer reproductive responsibility, they have longer to make their choice. I would like to see men get full costody more often or shared parenting where neither pays child support, but the kid is cared for.
/r/MensRights04/02/13 08:38 AM
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mother only has the right to kill fetuses, not babies. A fetus and pregnancy is also the only part of reproduction that is all up to the woman. She has an extra responsibility, therefor she has an extra choice.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 05:04 PM
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Correct. I don't beleive there is a war on women and I don't care if abortion is legal or not. With more transgenders entering society, we will see more pregnant men deciding to abort.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 04:53 PM
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only it's not really fair. One signs a piece of paper. The other goes through emotional anguish and effects their health and future fertiltiy. Maybe we could even things up by suggesting if a father chooses financial abortion, he must offer to have part of his little finger surgically removed. That would provide him with similar motivation to not cause a pregnancy and give him similar mental anguish and similar medical risk.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 04:50 PM
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This unfairness of biology could also be used to keep fathers from their children. It sounds as if your saying biology assigned reproduction to women, so all babies must belong to their mothers only.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 06:30 AM
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Signing a piece of paper is not the same as abortion or child birth. I doubt you will ever convince society that they are equal. Financial outcome after abortion is such a narrow aspect of abortion. Men supporting this option are asking for equal financial outcome for a circumstance that is physically and emotionally unequal from the beginning. Even just considering fertility difference in men compared to women. Men could choose paper abortion multiple times per year for all of their adult life.…
/r/MensRights23/01/13 06:16 AM
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but he could still re-enter the child's life and recieve all the benefits after the hardest responsibility is all done.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 06:00 AM
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The laws are already the same. Society allows any person to remove unwanted tissue from their own body regardless of gender. Society expects both parents to care for their children and both parents consent is needed to place an unwanted child up for adoption. A fetus is not a child. If a man ever has an unwanted fetus in his body he would be free to remove it as well.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 05:55 AM
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The MRM goes off the erroneous assumption that the father's consent is not needed for adoption. In most states it is needed wether they are married or not. Utah is the only screwed up state, even then he can block it if he jumps through a bunch of hoops at the right time. I have a case in my very own family where adoption was blocked by the birth father at the last minute.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 03:09 AM
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I am respectful of human life. I don't support abortion for the same reason I don't support infanticide, genocide or other killing of human life because other bigger and stronger humans deem them worthless or a burden. The bigger and stronger humans should not judge the weaker and defenseless human potentials. To me abortion is no different than killing a newborn just because we think it is better off dead or don't want to care for it, but can get away with it because no one has formed a relatio…
/r/MensRights23/08/12 07:49 PM
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Anti-abortion MRA here.
/r/MensRights22/08/12 05:29 PM
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I am sorry this shit happened to you. I dont think it is specifically the cops fault as he was responding to a call, but perhaps he should have watched you more before he acted and got a better feel for the situation. I put more blame on society as a whole and how people react to men with children. BTW - the cop should have appologized to you
/r/MensRights01/08/12 06:25 PM
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They were a family. Unmarried, but living together with children together. He brought his kids to the movie. The OP wrote his peice with inacuracies, to make it seem like they were just out on a date.
/r/MensRights28/07/12 06:07 PM
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were they not able to follow him? Why did they decide to stick around until someone else practically dragged them out? His girlfriend was not able to follow him becasue she was trying to reach the baby and ultimately saved him. She was thinking of the children.
/r/MensRights28/07/12 05:56 PM
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I saw a differnet interview with him the morning after it hapenned, and he mentioned putting the baby down. Could he be changing his story? he specifically mentioned contemplating wether he could go over the balcany with the baby or not, and then deciding to leave the baby.
/r/MensRights28/07/12 03:06 AM
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it was his 4 month old son that he was already holding. then when he got out of the theater he drove away.
/r/MensRights28/07/12 03:01 AM
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who the fuck was the woman saving her children
/r/MensRights28/07/12 02:59 AM
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Why is he responsible for the safety of HER children? because they are his children as well? and don't forget after he escaped he drove away.
/r/MensRights28/07/12 02:33 AM
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As an adult you take responsibility for the children in your care and under your authority. They were living together as a family and he is the one that brought the kids to the theater. I would have a different opinion had it just been random kids.
/r/MensRights28/07/12 12:53 AM
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Where does it say he is 19? I thought he was older. However, the man that did rescue her was 19, could you be getting them confused? Also it is not just his girlfriend. They are a family, and he abandoned his baby that he was holding at the time.
/r/MensRights28/07/12 12:47 AM
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For myself and apparently others it is more about the children. I don't think he owed any adults protection, but he did owe it to his children that were in his care. He actually put down the baby so he could get away. And they weren't just dating, they were a family.
/r/MensRights28/07/12 12:37 AM
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he also brought both Legarreta and her two young children. It is my understanding that these are his children as well and that they all live together.
/r/MensRights28/07/12 12:21 AM
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You gave me a link and definition for "sexual abuse" not "sexual assault". It is confusing, but everything I have read suggest they are two differnt things. Sexual assault is the umbrella term that includes everything from rape to sexual abbuse. Rape is the most severe charge and sexual abuse is the lowest. Since they were charged with "first degree" sexual assault, I am going to assume that would be rape. Source: http://www.ehow.com/info_8608360_attempted-sexual-assault-laws-kentucky.html
/r/MensRights26/07/12 06:41 AM
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You have given me the link and definition of "sexual abuse" not "sexual assault". The boys plead guilty to first degree sexual assault. These terms are confusing. From what I have read including at my source below, sexual assault is more serious than sexual abuse. The definitions I have read suggest sexual assault includes rape, but sexual abuse does not. http://www.ehow.com/info_8608360_attempted-sexual-assault-laws-kentucky.html
/r/MensRights26/07/12 06:25 AM
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And didn't the victim take a year to file a complaint? The incident happened in Aug 2011, so it has not even been a year yet. I am not sure how long she waited until it was reported, but I am under the impression that it was arround the time the pictures and word got out as the boys bragged about what they had done.
/r/MensRights26/07/12 01:33 AM
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This is what happens when unborn are deemed as not having protection offerred by constitutional rights. If "personhood" began before birth, then the government could apply some rules regarding health of a fetus. This would also impact abortion rights, which is why pro-abortion people are against extending "personhood" to the unborn.
/r/MensRights25/07/12 07:52 PM
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Since she was passed out when it occured, I am not sure she realized what happened at the time, or if she did realize, she probably thought her life would be better if she kept quiet (not everyone reports their rapes). However when the pictures became public among her peers, it victimized her in a whole new way with no end in sight, and I immagine at that point she decided to report and convict.
/r/MensRights24/07/12 11:25 PM
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In some states "sexuall assault" is the legal term which includes rape. The boys pleaded guilty to first degree sexual assault. It is my understanding that the pictures show them having sex with her as she is passed out. Wisconsin criminal statutes 940.225 categorize sexual assaults include four "degrees" of offenses which may occur under a variety of circumstances. The Degrees are based upon the amount of force used by the assailant and the amount of harm done to the victim, rather than on the …
/r/MensRights24/07/12 11:19 PM
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SEXUAL ASSAULT = RAPE (in some cases). The boys plead guilty to first degree sexual assault. Many states include rape in "sexual assault" definition. For example here is one: Wisconsin criminal statutes 940.225 categorize sexual assaults include four "degrees" of offenses which may occur under a variety of circumstances. The Degrees are based upon the amount of force used by the assailant and the amount of harm done to the victim, rather than on the resistance offered by the victim. First, secon…
/r/MensRights24/07/12 05:37 AM
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Note that the article never uses the word "rape", only "sexual assault No sure, but I think sexual assault does include rape. Different states use different legal terminology
/r/MensRights24/07/12 05:24 AM
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You think people are lying to women? Who do you think is doing this? Your solution about just "inform women with the realistic situation and there will be less unhappy childhoods" is way too simplistic and wont solve anything, IMO.
/r/MensRights17/07/12 05:22 PM
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He will never have a say in becoming a parent because he does not have a womb. Parenting rights wil be something that mothers will have to grant to fathers under your logic. I don't disagree with the logic applied, but understand there will also be some situations where it does not work out favorably for the man.
/r/MensRights17/07/12 07:34 AM
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I understand what you are saying, but then you have to accept the logic that only women create children, therfore they fully belong to them becasue men had no say, no effort, etc. It would take away from father's rights. You can't have it both ways depending on wether a man wants the child or not.
/r/MensRights17/07/12 03:02 AM
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It does not do any good to create a ghetto society which is what legalized abandonment does. The ghetto is made up of families headed by women and is most dangerous for boys. If a male does survive a ghetto upbringing they usually support feminized laws to help single mothers as they themselves saw the hardship....and the cycle continues. The best thing for boys is to make sure they have their fathers connected to them. There are other solutions to the current unfair child support laws besides l…
/r/MensRights17/07/12 12:07 AM
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Voodooidol is also forgeting that abortion is permanent - no way to "undo". A father who does a paper abortion can come back in the child's life at any time.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 11:27 PM
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Both mothers and fathers can use Safe Havens. It is assumed that both parent have given consent or that the father has already abandoned. Fathers can also rescue or claim their children from safe havens and it has been done.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 11:03 PM
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The father could also show up later when the child is a teen or an adult and then reap the benefits of parenthood without putting in any of the work.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 10:57 PM
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You also need to consider that about half of all men and half of all women are pro-life. It is good to know a girl's attitude about abortion before having sex. I personally would not advise my daughters to sign such a contract if they became relaity (one is pro-life, the other isn't). Neither is the type to purposely have a child out of wed-lock, but I don't see why they should shoulder all the responsibility when they don't have to.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 08:46 PM
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Is the man's bank account affected more than the mothers? I don't know, I am honestly asking. It should be equal. I know many single mothers that don't collect child support (they are entiltled, but the father goes underground). Some men I know only pay $200 month. In the system I envision, no CS payments would be made if both parents were providing equal care to their child. Any financial care is owed to the child, not to the mother.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 08:33 PM
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Yes it does. The woman's attitude and access to abortion would have alot to do with wether she would be willing to sign or not. Are you aware that some states only have one or two abortion clinics in the whole state. Also what if you were unaware of your pregnancy until it was too late if if doctor informed you of twins before the procedure? I should add that I am in agreement with your legal form idea beofre sex. I just don't think it could ever be implemented. The gov would have to get involve…
/r/MensRights16/07/12 07:19 PM
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If "mixing up a cocktail of DNA" is the new term for sex, didn't the man decide this as well? Or what if his condom failed? It is not just the man or the taxpayers paying, it is the mother as well.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 07:14 PM
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So would you sign such a form if your SO asked?
/r/MensRights16/07/12 07:06 PM
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Sorry, but I likley wont take the time to search for it. I suspect it is the one I have read before. It is about how there were many abortions performed in the mid-seveties when abortion first became legal. Subsequently, around the time those aborted humans would have reached young adulthood (the time when "bad people" start commiting crimes) there was a drop in crime rates. Many attributed abortion for the drop in crime. I beleive there was a time when un-wed motherhood was shamed and therfore …
/r/MensRights16/07/12 07:03 PM
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I am basing it on personal observation, not offical data or anything like that. I have read that blacks and hispanics have more abortions. but they also have far more pregnancies. I beleive they also have more out of wedlock births compared to whites. Am I the only one that is seeing poor/young people having babies?
/r/MensRights16/07/12 06:44 PM
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If a woman doesn't sign this contract, she probably doesn't care about being careful about having a child and you shouldn't take having sex with her lightly. or she might be thinking why she should take more risk than the guy is. I agree in your concept of having a discussion and each declaring his/her intent. Alot would probably depend on her thoughts on abortion, access to abortion and the impact she may feel abortion might have on her health, future fertility, etc. A guy asking a woman to sig…
/r/MensRights16/07/12 06:36 PM
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that USA had experienced a massive drop in the crime rate specifically because of the Roe vs. Wade verdict. This was reported in the years after R v W, but is it still current? I don't see any current evidence to back up your statements about what kind of mothers are getting abortions (ie "in a tight spot") and abortions effecting the current crime rates.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 06:17 PM
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Unfortuantely, most of the woman having abortions are the ones with education and access to prenatal care. The majority of abortions are done for selfish reasons of convenience. Crack addicted mothers are choosing to have their babies.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 06:13 PM
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I support the comments of GreatBigDIck and others . I am also against legalized abandonment. As an MRA I want to see child support as belonging to the child, not the mother. Mothers should not be able to negotiate this away as it is not theirs to begin with. I also agree with the points GBD has made about abortion being about a fetus and financial abortion being about a child. From a legal standpoint you cannot terminate rights until you receive them. So financial abortion would have to take pla…
/r/MensRights16/07/12 06:07 PM
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agreed, but not really sure why you brought up OB/GYNs in the first place. Are you trying to blame woman for circumcision?
/r/MensRights08/07/12 05:45 PM
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Circs can be done by mohels, urologists, pediatricians, OB/GYNs, family or general practitioners.
/r/MensRights08/07/12 05:25 PM
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Either parent can sign. Often the father signs the consent form because the new mom is still under the influence of pain meds/sleeping/nursing baby/in pain. Often it is the father making sure it is done....unfortunetly
/r/MensRights08/07/12 09:54 AM
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I strongly oppose the concept of "financial abortion." me too
/r/MensRights20/06/12 08:37 PM
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Isn't something like that happening in Russia? They have more abortions than births. Birth rate is so low, they do not have the popuation to sustain their army and soon will be unable to defend their counrty.
/r/MensRights20/06/12 08:34 PM
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I somehow didn't read you last paragraph until now. You are asking if she can force you to take your court orderred time with your kids??? Usually parents do not forceably drop off kids to a parent that does not want the kids. It is not emotionally healthy for anyone. If this goes on long enough, she may inform the courts and a judge could terminate some or all of your parental rights for not continuing to establish a relationship with the kids. You seem to only want the kids when it is convenie…
/r/MensRights19/06/12 01:45 AM
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I think I get what you are saying. Since you are legally divorced then there has definitely been an official parenting plan/custody agreement on file with the court, but it sounds like you and her never let it rule your arrangement, and you were both fine with that up until now. Now, her situation has changed, and she is expecting more out of you, and her expectations go beyond the written parenting plan. The question is can she legally expect you to take on this additional child care? I am not …
/r/MensRights19/06/12 01:31 AM
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Are you blaming feminists for this situation?
/r/MensRights17/06/12 05:10 AM
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what does this have to do with mens rights. This should go under "bad parenting".
/r/MensRights17/06/12 04:16 AM
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My wife and I also made the choice for her to stay home and take care of the kids and the house since I worked odd hours and it was better than having the kids in daycare. I liked having my kids at home. My wife always had the house clean and dinner ready.
/r/MensRights09/06/12 07:40 PM
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Now you are opening a whole can of worms, which would go into further legal details as to why financial abortion would not be consistent with other laws including abortion. Roe vs Wade does not mention the word "parenthood". It is all about a woman's right to liberty. The judge recognized that PREGNANCY changes a woman's body, in some cases can even cause death and by forcing PREGNANCY on her would be out of line with our constitutional right to life and liberty. Men have the same rights to life…
/r/MensRights30/04/12 04:28 AM
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Actually I am the one getting confused and ahead of myself as I have posted on too many sites to remember where I am at. Sorry. My original point about adoption and father's consent, does not matter if he has financially aborted or not. The mother makes the last and final decision to not abort. Everyone is focused on the logic that she is the sole parent from this point on. Consent to sex does not constitute parenthood (so that does not give the sperm donor any rights to fatherhood). she would h…
/r/MensRights29/04/12 04:52 PM
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Alanna, when you give a child up for adoption, the bio parent(s) are in full controll and typically they choose the adopting parents. The mother may have an infertile relative that she chooses, someone from her church or even someone she meets on the internet in an adoption forum, or she may use the help of an adoption agency. This would be a private matter between her and the adopting parents she chooses and then signed by a judge. I know you would like her to choose the biological sperm donor …
/r/MensRights29/04/12 05:08 AM
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Because it is not "equal choices'. it is an equal outcome for an unequal situation. And only equal financial outcome at that. There are other ways to equalized the finances of unwanted pregnancy between the genders, but supporters of financial abortion are choosing the financial outcome that gives them the most benefit. A man can have as much unprotected sex as he wants without any consequences and if the child is born he can still have benefits of parenthood without any responsibility by attend…
/r/MensRights28/04/12 01:47 AM
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I agree. Sorry if I seemed hard-nosed, it's just that so many MRAs do not realize they would be giving up paternal rights unless the mother granted them to him (allowed him to be a father). I am one of the few MRAs that does not see this as a good trade off for men. I would rather work on a equal responsibility between the two parents that would not involve child support being paid (or very little, depending on the situation), with that, all fathers would still have rights. I also do not believe…
/r/MensRights28/04/12 12:03 AM
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I don't think you will get to have two sets of rules based on the nature of the relationship. You didn't come out and say that, but that's the feeling I got from your response. Since you took the time to mention how fuck buddies shouldn't expect paternal rights, but you skipped over how you would handle more serious relationships, is what led me to that impression. Imagine a guy trying to tell the courts that even though they were together a few times, he wants to see and be involved with his ch…
/r/MensRights27/04/12 10:57 PM
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So then you understand that if a guy had a sexual relationship but birth control method fails. girl gets pregnant and has a baby and the mother wants NOTHING to do with the father and raise the child herself, but he WANTS to be a parent, that he would be shit of of luck, right?
/r/MensRights27/04/12 07:31 PM
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I agree! That's why I focus on changing the bad laws, not retaliation. I envision no child support payments with both parents providing financial and physical care. This would cause both genders concern about unexpected pregnancy and raising a child, but the mother could not collect child support and gov handouts and have so much control.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 07:23 PM
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If mothers make all choices to create babies then all babies fully belong to mothers. You know the sayings...her body, her choice, her responsibility and consent to sex is not consent to parenthood. There would be no reason for father's consent needed in adoption. The mother would get 100% of the choice to decide who she signs her parental rights over to. If financial abortion for men is to become law, men will have to accept some of the negative side effects if logic is to be applied consistant…
/r/MensRights27/04/12 05:56 PM
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He doesn't have to be named in order to block an adoption. If he beleives it is his kid she is pregnant with he has the legal right to block the adoption by siging the registry or informing the courts and requesting a DNA test when child is born . I do relaize there are ways around this, but the mother does not have the law on her side to do so. She would have to lie and be deceptive of the law. That's my point.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 05:45 PM
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That's only been in Utah. Things need to change there. But generally it is very difficult for a woman to give up to adoption w/o fathers consent, most state laws do not give a woman free reign to do this. Hpw do you feel about lifting the consent for fathers in cases of adoption?
/r/MensRights27/04/12 03:57 PM
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Yeah, but fathers have to consent to adoption and they can pick up their kids from Safe Haven which is just a fast track to adoption.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 03:42 PM
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(4. What happens to women who neglect to notify the father of their pregnancy before the time limit is up? Just thought I would pop this in here. Do we send them to jail? What about the child in that situation? What if the woman genuinely did not know she was pregnant? How can anything be proven? Thoughts?) Think about the logic MRAs use to promote abortion for men. Most MRAs say the baby is all on the woman (her body, her choice, her baby) - so it totally belongs to her. She would owe the fathe…
/r/MensRights27/04/12 05:47 AM
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I don't believe in financial abortion for men and I agree with many of the issues you raised. I don't like advocating for "zero responsibility for everyone". Instead women need to be given more responsibility so they have an equal risk. I think pro-life women understand the risk as an unplanned pregnancy would have much higher consequences for them. I would much rather fight for gender equality when it comes to custody and child support so that if an unplanned child is conceived, the child would…
/r/MensRights27/04/12 05:41 AM
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fixed it.
/r/MensRights25/04/12 03:03 PM
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The article is very confusing. why is it written to imply the brother is the aggressor?: He estimates touching her about 20 or 30 times between the ages of seven and 15 years and full sexual intercourse taking place 10 to 15 times from the age of 11 to 15 years. He told the police she had introduced the idea. It would be a reward to him for performing some sort of menial task on her behalf or when he would give her small amounts of money. Seems like alot of dysfunction and other sexual abuse wit…
/r/MensRights25/04/12 05:09 AM
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You need to start learning how to get a DNA test at the hospital without needing the mothers consent. I beleive this will take a judges signature. Hiring an attorney is the best option, but the second is to start googling this topic and learn as much as you can. Also go to your county courts webpage and see if you can get info there. Save all of your communications with the mother and save all evidence of your relationship and any evidence that she informed you that you were the father. If you h…
/r/MensRights23/04/12 09:54 PM
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DO NOT SIGN A DECLARATION OF PATERNITY!!!! if you were to do so, you might end up on the hook for 18 years of child support even if the DNA test comes back negative. You should never sign unless you have scientific proof that you are the father. See an attorney about how to get DNA test done right at the hospital even if she does not allow you in the hospital room. Before anything else, you have ot find out if you are the father or not.
/r/MensRights23/04/12 03:14 PM
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it is a human rights issue. which is the right to genital integrity. If an adult wants circumcision, then fine, they can do it, but an infant is powerless in the decision, so it should not be made for him. Plenty of men regret their circumcision. Not because it was botched, but simply because they want to be intact and they want their penis to be whole and how nature designed. We pretect females from genital mutilation and we should protect boys as well.
/r/MensRights22/04/12 05:17 PM
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Probably on some state form it asked her the names of the men she had sexual reationships within 60 days of the conception period, or something like that. I would read it very carefully and assume you do need to repsond within 30 days. Talking to a lawyer is always a good idea, but I don't think you need to hire one quite yet, as I think your DNA test will squash this whole thing. Also the cheaper DNA tests are not legal, so look and see what type of DNA test you paid for.
/r/MensRights15/04/12 10:28 PM
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I think MRAs should start posting contact info to clinics that require wife's permission and let them know how stupid and violating of our rights it is. Here is info from the clinic linked above that says on their websit they want wife to sign off: To make an appointment: Tel: 216.444.5600 or toll-free 800.223.2273 extension 4-5600 For more information about the Glickman Urological Institute or services offered please write or email us at: Cleveland Clinic Glickman Urological Institute 9500 Eucl…
/r/MensRights15/04/12 03:41 PM
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If you know a state that does not require fathers signature to acknowledge paternity, please list. The only way I know of the wrong man being named on the birth certificate is when the wrong man actually signed. He either was tricked by the mother into believing he was the father so he accepted paternity without a DNA test by signing the paternity affidavit, or he knew he wasn't and he signed anyway. But as far as I know a mother cannot place a name unless it is accompanied by the father's affid…
/r/MensRights15/04/12 03:31 AM
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Yeah, I forgot to mention that if a couple is married, no DNA is required. It is assumed he is the father. If couple is unmarried, then the father either signs an affidavit acknowledging paternity to have his name on certificate (which is done right there at the hospital) or provides a court order to add his name, which requires a DNA test and would be done at a later date. Legal DNA tests cost $200 to $300 dollars. When my children were born all the possible situations were acknowledged on the …
/r/MensRights14/04/12 10:59 PM
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I'm not really an expert on this, but I have been under the impression that it does take a DNA test. If you know otherwise, then please post a link. I know a man that was asked for child support, and the first thing his lawyer did was request a DNA test (came out negative). If a guy refuses to take a DNA test I beleive he would have to offer some sort of proof that there is no way he could be the father. Like proof that he was not ever in the same proximaty as her. The girl would also be asked t…
/r/MensRights14/04/12 05:39 AM
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As far as I know Utah and Missouri are the worst states for fathers, but I think in other states the father just has to show up. I do know fathers that have blocked adoptions. Of course they have to be aware of the pregnancy and the intent of the mother to give te child up. Also mothers rarely want to end up paying child support to the father, so they usually opt for motherhood if the father shows any interest in fatherhood. Also when mother dies, father is first legal opt even if he has not bee…
/r/MensRights11/04/12 06:55 PM
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If you are unmarried, the father does not have first rights to raise their child. They can only get their child if they jump through a very large number of hoops and also are lucky. Could you please list a source. I would really like to know if this is true or not.
/r/MensRights11/04/12 06:15 PM
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I agree with the advise from DougeDante . My understanding is the intent of the laws in each state is to allow the biological father to raise the child if the mother does not want to (each state is a little different -with Utah and Minnesota being the trickiest for fathers). Most states make it easy for the father to become the sole parent if the father is aware of the pregnancy and the mother signs away her rights. Fathers have been known to block adoptions. However some states have hoops for t…
/r/MensRights11/04/12 06:38 AM
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Your a fucking moron to think you know how much time with my kids my sitaution created for me. And lying about reality?? I am the one telling you my reality, and you - a stranger on the internet - are calling me a lyer.
/r/MensRights31/03/12 01:54 PM
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You seem to want to get everything into a 50/50 ratio. otherwise you believe one gender is being privileged over the other. You are ignoring biology and practicality and blaming everything on social conditioning for the current imbalance of male and female roles. This is the typical nature vs nurture argument that cannot be quantitatively proven either way. You are set in your beliefs that " nurturing" is solely responsible for the imbalance of time mothers and fathers spend at home and at work …
/r/MensRights31/03/12 01:12 PM
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My wife had three children in six years. One was a high risk pregnancy and one child had special needs at birth. So if she had planned to return to her career, she would have needed a seven year leave to accommodate her pregnancies, time to recuperate and breastfeeding. It is understandable that her earning potential would take a hit. That's why if couples can afford and agree on a stay at home parent, it is usually the mother. It is not some evil conspiracy plan made by women to devalue fatherh…
/r/MensRights30/03/12 06:18 PM
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Now you sound just like a feminist telling mothers that are happy staying home to raise children that they are just being brainwashed, controlled and don't know any better.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 06:06 PM
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I think anyone who embraces a father-deficient lifestyle for their children by employing the 'stay-at-home-mother' model is practicing a form of willful neglect. If I had my way you would be thrown in jail for the abusive monsters you are. And I don't give a shit about your 'personal fucking choices' any more then I give a shit about the personal fucking choices of other abusive parents. An involved father does not refer to his time with his children as 'hanging out with them', you have been rel…
/r/MensRights30/03/12 04:30 PM
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So I guess you would rather all this "privilege" go to the daycare??
/r/MensRights30/03/12 08:06 AM
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Could you please define a "father-deficient" lifestyle. Any lifestyle that privileges a woman's time with her kids over a father's. This is where you and I have complete different perspectives. You believe the situation is a PRIVILEGE for the wife and I am saying it is an AGREEMENT between husband and wife. They are reciprocating equally based on what they each value. You think the situation deprives children of their fathers and myself and others are telling you that for us, it increased our ti…
/r/MensRights30/03/12 07:58 AM
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No one is saying it has to be the dad that works and the mother staying home. As far as I know, most or all the comments that mention a preference for a stay at home parent indicate it should be whatever works best for the couple.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 07:48 AM
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My problem is marriages being planned and set up so that the man works and sacrifices a huge chunk of his fatherhood so she can have her motherhood. Then we end up in a nation that us mostly raised by women. If a couple wants children they have to rely on the system that nature has bestowed on them. Nature gave women the responsibility of pregnancy and breast feeding. You could say a woman sacrifices a huge chunk of herself so a man can have fatherhood, but I suppose your not going to complain a…
/r/MensRights30/03/12 07:44 AM
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Whatever arrangement works best for that family. I agree. "You guys" in my post above was not referring to you.
/r/MensRights29/03/12 11:46 PM
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I think anyone who embraces a father-deficient lifestyle for their children by employing the 'stay-at-home-mother' model is practicing a form of willful neglect. Okay, now you are sounding so desperate that I am unsure if I can continue a conversation with you. Did you hear some of us say that we had MORE TIME with our kids because we had a stay at home wife??? Could you please define a "father-deficient" lifestyle. I am curious if it includes single fathers that leave their children in daycare …
/r/MensRights29/03/12 11:44 PM
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WOW!! so how do you decide how much time a father spends earning money is bad for his children?
/r/MensRights29/03/12 11:01 PM
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So let's say I have the capability to make $100,000 a year in my time career, and my wife has the capability to make $40,000 a year in her career; and with both of us working we will have to pay an extra $10,000/year in daycare, gas and other expenses. We will both spend FAR LESS time with the kids, daycares will raise them, I will have to spend time doing the domestic chores that I hate. You think this is the "more fair" and "better" arrangement and gives fatherhood more value? Or do you live i…
/r/MensRights29/03/12 10:56 PM
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You guys are so critical of other people lifestyles. Whenever you get challenge a little more you retreat and say oh, I'm okay with everyone choosing for themselves. I think you are full of shit, and are just as bad as anyone who criticize other's lifestyles. If the family is happy, who the hell cares what their agreed upon arrangement is???? You are correct that fathers are just as important as mothers. But parents get to choose for themselves how they are going to influence their kids. Spendin…
/r/MensRights29/03/12 10:40 PM
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It's pretty well-documented that anti-choicers have used these tactics to launch state and federal investigations into abortion providers, the most well-known of them being Lila Rose. PLease show me the documentation of Lila Rose having an abortion.
/r/MensRights22/03/12 06:45 PM
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The subject line is misleading. I urge posters to read the article first. The article is about a dimwit who ASSUMES anti-abortion women are having abortions to catch doctors breaking the law, even though she has no evidence of this. The article criticizes her for taking such a leap in assumptions. She deserves the criticism.
/r/MensRights22/03/12 06:36 PM
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I want a society that expects and demands parents to care for children. I think Adoption/Safe haven should only be reserved for extreme circumstances. I am also pro-life, so I would not expect or ask my partner to abort. I cannot understand why MRA's would advocate for child abuse (abandoning a child is a form of abuse). If a father is providing care for the child, there should be no need to pay child support to the mother. I am against equal outcome policies, and that is exactly what legalized …
/r/MensRights20/03/12 04:58 AM
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since newborns are often still given the mother's surname name even when the father is known and involved or married to the mother. This does not match my observations. I see children in unmarried situations given the father's surname more often than not.
/r/MensRights17/03/12 02:42 PM
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Could you provide a link or a source?
/r/MensRights17/03/12 01:43 AM
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Having the woman inform the man is only part of the transaction. She needs to prove that she informed him, otherwise he could claim that he never recieved it. He also has to reply within a time period, so he needs to prove that he replied. She could avoid recieving it. Actually either party could have motive to avoid accepting notices. So I think the transaction part would get alot more complicated. You need to think of situations where the father may want paternity and the mother is trying to t…
/r/MensRights15/03/12 06:38 PM
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It is going to be illegal for women to pay more in health insurance than men (even though they cost 33% more) because it is deemed "discriminatory" but insurance companies are still going to be allowed to charge men more and have it not be discrimination. I am aware that employers will need to purchase plans that cover contraceptives, but I have not heard that premiums for men and women will now be the same. Are you sure about this?
/r/MensRights15/03/12 02:57 PM
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but that is soon going to be illegal. Please explain???
/r/MensRights15/03/12 04:23 AM
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There are a few sites digging to see if there have really ever been any laws requiring spousal permission for vasectomies. One journalists has a asked lawyers specializing in reproductive laws and the lawyer says that no state has a spousal consent law. So far it appears to be only rumor about it being a LEGAL requirement. However, doctors have the freedom to impose their own rules for determining who they operate on and it appears that that is what is happening when some require spousal consent…
/r/MensRights14/03/12 05:03 PM
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The MRM should out these doctors, file complaints and start a black list.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 02:52 PM
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"This is about equal opportunity not intent." It's about both. Perhaps you missed all the references in the thread to sperm-jacking, fraud, deception regarding birth control, and rape (including statutory). Perhaps to you it is about both, but to many in the MRM it is not, especially since fraud and deception would be next to impossible to prove in court. Sperm jacking and F>M rape I am guessing only account for a small percent of conceptions (.01% maybe) and judges could make exceptional ruling…
/r/MensRights10/03/12 03:10 AM
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here is one source for you, it says the waiting time to adopt a newborn in the United States is 2 years or more because "so few infants are available" infant.adoption.com/.../adopting-a-newborn-in-the-united-states.html
/r/MensRights09/03/12 06:17 AM
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Barely. I'm 22 weeks, most doctors wouldn't abort without a medical reason. I believe in most states you are still able to abort just on a whim - perhaps not your doctor, but any abortion clinic would. Besides you still have adoption and safe haven available to you, so my question still stands (The legal abandonment you are supporting, would not care what your intent is/was as a couple regarding conception) So if your husband wanted out of parenthood right now, should he be legally off the hook …
/r/MensRights09/03/12 05:37 AM
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I just stumbled upon some of your other comments on other threads. Your currently pregnant with twins and married (I think). So you realize even within marraige, you still have the legal option to abort your twins. So if your husband wanted out of parenthood right now, should he be legally off the hook for child support of your twins if you continue the pregnancy from this point on? Afterall, you still have a legal out, so should he according to all your logic.
/r/MensRights08/03/12 10:29 PM
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States have so many families pre-approved to adopt from Safe Havens that the waiting list is several years long. Babies are put into families immediately.
/r/MensRights08/03/12 02:40 AM
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I have many ideas. Would take too much time to expand each one. It is simply shared parenting. If that is not an option because of location or something else then it would have to go to the best parent, which would likely be the father. Only if a parent refuses to provide half the care would they have to pay support. Mothers would not automatically get welfare or custody. Any programs for single parent to get free education or other perks would have to apply to single fathers as well. If child s…
/r/MensRights07/03/12 06:01 AM
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What do you mean "no provisions"? Everyone knows the baby will be cared for and given to adoption, that's the whole idea of Safe Haven. The newborn spends a few days in the hospital for observation and then goes home to a family. The state is only the legal guardian while adotpion is pending and to see if parents come forward to claim the child.
/r/MensRights07/03/12 05:22 AM
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that's not what we're advocating for men, either It sure sounds like you are. You seem to be missing the point that in adoption and safe haven it is giving parental responsibility to a party that is willing and also able to provide care to the infant. The birth mother and the state (taxpayers) may not be willing to accept the birth father's share of responsibility if he is able. The father who legally abandons may even keep perks associated with parenthood like forming a relationship with the ch…
/r/MensRights07/03/12 05:15 AM
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You provide to me proof that an embryo or fetus is not a child, and I'll redact my statement... What have I said that makes you think I do not consider an emryo or fetus a "child"? I have not stated my personal opinion on the matter. Where life begins, and at what stage our laws protects unborn life under the constitiution, and where an individual's personal opinion dictate where life begins could be three different things. I have only pointed out that our current laws do not include abortion as…
/r/MensRights07/03/12 04:54 AM
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Abortion is not legally classified as murder or a crime, whereas, child abandonment is legally classified as abuse and a crime. FRAs are advocating for child murder? How so?
/r/MensRights06/03/12 11:53 PM
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By the way, you are using the terms "surrender" and "abandonment" incorrectly. Safe Havens laws and adoption laws involve "surrendering" parenting rights and responsibilities. What you are advocating for is parental "abandonment". Currently no parent has the right to abandon a baby.
/r/MensRights06/03/12 11:36 PM
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If abandonment is neglect why is adoption legal? Adoption is legal because it transfers legal authority of the child to an accepting party, the adopting parents, who go through an application process to indicate they can care for a child. Abandonment done by a mother or father is leaving the child w/o any care. Can you comprehend why at least one parent would need to see that care is given to the child or they both would be charged with the crime of neglect? Safe Havens are locations that have a…
/r/MensRights06/03/12 11:29 PM
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I'll ask you the same thing I asked dannyigl: So are you for repealing safe haven laws? Safe Haven laws are put in place to prevent infanticide. They assume fathers have already abandoned and I assume in 99% of cases he has, but if the father has not abandoned (or changes his mind) the cases are highly publicised so father can claim/rescue their babies. Safe Havens work because they are such a rare occurrence and babies brought to Safe Havens can be adopted out. However, if Safe Havens were used…
/r/MensRights06/03/12 11:16 PM
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That's ironic that you see it that way, because I see the whole concept of legalized child abandonment as needing more oversight by state government. Dates and timeline and documentation as to when men were notified of pregnancy and how and when they responded would all need to kept as official records by the government, otherwise you would get into "he said, she said" situations.
/r/MensRights06/03/12 05:57 PM
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I agree, real abortions and financial abortions are not comparable. Abandonment is a from of neglect/child abuse and I don't like MRAs advocating for legalized child abuse. I would instead advocate for making women more responsible for financial care of children and forced to make more personal sacrifices, like getting a job. While at the same time making men less financially responsible and giving us more custody and care options. Only if a father is not willing to provide half the care for the…
/r/MensRights06/03/12 05:39 PM
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I don't support the idea of "legal parental surrender" because I also do not support the idea of abortion. The reason is, the large safety nets create with these practices influences behavior to be more risky and then we all have to pay the price for it over and over again, rather than resolving the cause of the issue. Just wanna say, I agree
/r/MensRights06/03/12 12:06 AM
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if insurance companies cover female having their tubes tide, then they also cover vasectomies. I have never seen any sexist policies in regards to surgical BC methods.
/r/MensRights03/03/12 06:35 PM
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yes
/r/MensRights02/03/12 11:09 PM
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WHo pays this maternity leave? The government or the employer?
/r/MensRights02/03/12 03:23 PM
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I agree 100% the government should not be telling private insurance companies what to cover.
/r/MensRights02/03/12 04:28 AM
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What men are paying for women's birth control? Are you refering to the recent Obama thing which requires insurance companies to pay for birth control? Men and women pay seperate premiums just like smokers and nonsmokers, and insurance companies need to make a profit as they are a private business. They set the premiums based on how much services they estimate you will need and what age/health/gender category you fall into.
/r/MensRights02/03/12 04:09 AM
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I am not sure where you live, but in the USA it is "family leave" even though most people refer to it as "maternity leave" because usualy just the mother takes it as it is unpaid and most couples can't afford to both be without pay. So most people are using "maternity leave" as a descriptive term, not a legal term. Under US federal law this family leave is equally available to both parents for birth, adoption, or other family medical situations. See: Family and Medical Leave Act
/r/MensRights01/03/12 09:02 PM
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When a baby is brought to a Safehaven they highly publicise it in the media. One American women gave birth while on vacation in Italy and dropped off the newborn at a Italian Safehaven. The man searched the internet and found the story and brought his baby back to America.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 04:00 PM
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Fathers can drop off kids at SafeHAven and there was a famouse case about a father dropping off several kids. Fathers can also claim their children form SafeHavens.
/r/MensRights28/02/12 04:28 PM
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If you are trying to bring each gender onto equal ground, then I would think a man would have to provide current contact info after sex so that he has the same experience a woman has of being unable to escape the knowledge of pregnancy. Current addresses would need to be shared so neither party can claim they did not receive information. You should realize that there will be different situations with different motivations, so the timeline needs to be documented, and neither should be able to cla…
/r/MensRights27/02/12 06:27 PM
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who is this official? you mean like the court registry? Some offical agency would have to keep a copy of paper work, otherwise it would turn into "he said, she said" if paperwork ever got lost. The woman would have to prove that she sent notification and the man would need proof that he responded. Dates would need to be verifyable.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 02:59 PM
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I don't think it would be terribly hard to regulate. Then how would you regulte it? I assume the courts would have to hold the paperwork as dates of notification and response would be extremely important. I would think proof of current contact info would be relevent so that neither party claims they were not notified.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 08:37 AM
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women would still be able to adopt or abandon their babies without paternal consent, Although it may be possible by not informing the father of adoption, it is not within the law to do so against his permision, and Safehaven assumes the father has already abandoned. I know in one case a father rescued his baby from Safehaven as the mother tried to do so without his consent.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 02:12 AM
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This would be too difficult to regulate and real abortions and pretend abortions are far too different to try and say they equal each other. I would much rather fight for equal parenting rights and unbiased child support and custody. If a father is willing to provide equal care for his child, he should not have to pay support. No father should have to adopt his own child which really is what "opting in" is all about. I would also like the MRAs to fight for more control over their children. It is…
/r/MensRights27/02/12 01:16 AM
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It's an option available to both parents What if they both "opt out" at the same time, and the baby is born and then left on the side of the road? I am pointing out that the mother does have a responsibility to see that rights are transferred to a willing party, but the father would not. So it is not true "equality"
/r/MensRights26/02/12 01:31 AM
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Why is only the man ever held accountable? The man is not the only one accountable. Society expects both parents to be responsible unless they both have given the child up for adoption by signing over rights to a willing party. We do not allow child neglect, and abandonment is a form of neglect. A mother would be charged with crime if she abandones or neglects her child. Most mothers raise their own kids by providing emotional and physical support and financial support. If a father is unwilling …
/r/MensRights25/02/12 08:47 PM
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Like hell he does He knew the laws when he decided to take the risk. He knew verbal agreements mean nothing. Until the laws are different, men should refrain from sex if they don't want to conceive a child.
/r/MensRights25/02/12 08:56 AM
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it places the sole responsibility for a pregnancy on the man. It completly eliminates women's agency. Since women are the ones who get pregnant, they are the ones whith any responsibility. They have the responsibility to abort or go thru birth. After the baby is born, then each parent has an equal responsibility. Geez, you guys act like men pay for the whole cost of raising children. Personally I am fine with fathers not paying CS, as long as they are still providing at least half the care. If a…
/r/MensRights24/02/12 06:39 PM
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I am one of the few MRAs who does not support "abortion for men" as I find it completely contradictory to the movement. I am totally against "equal outcome" type laws that completely ignore biology. No where else would anyone demand equal outcome because they do not have the biological equivalent to someone else, except maybe feminist, and I don't want to stoup to their level. Women cannot biologically have sex with the same concerns or lack of concerns as men do. I would much rather fight for b…
/r/MensRights23/02/12 11:09 PM
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Many people I know pay directly to the parent. Look at the legal paperwork. Does it say she is supposed to pay an agency? If not then it is up to you to collect from her, if you cannot then ask for the help of an agency. if you really want it, that is.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 07:50 AM
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Sometimes when I read shit like this, I think it is a troll looking to stir things up. I say there is only a 50/50 chance of this post coming from a real mother.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 02:23 AM
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Recent census data shows the majority of women are pro-life, and the majority of men are pro-choice. could you please provide a link for such data. It's been awhile since I checked, but I have never come accross anything that shows men being significanlty more pro-choice. I have also recently read that single athiest men are becoming more pro-life.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 02:18 AM
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The "her body" argument ends after the baby is born... it seems to me it was both their choice to make the baby. How does this not contradict the whole argument? I understand what men want, but I believe if society agrees to the legal argument presented for financial abortion, there will be some negative side effects to men that they will have to accept. One being that parenthood can only be granted to them by mothers. Mothers make all the choices, all the risk etc. How can you justify that moth…
/r/MensRights23/02/12 01:32 AM
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It seems to me that the woman is the only one who has the information to "keep track of the timeline." She knows the date of her last menstrual period (typically how pregnancies are tracked). I am not talking about timeline of pregnancy, I am talking about the legal timeline of notification and response. In the USA we even have to register our cars, so we certainly would have to register something like this. Both partners need to have some sort of "receipt" or be able to prove in court how they …
/r/MensRights23/02/12 12:44 AM
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One situation I do not see discussed, yet is happening more and more, is when the mother wants to keep the baby without extending any parenting rights to the father. In other words she does not want to share parenting with him, yet he wants to be a parent. Since it is her body and her choices making the baby, does she have to share the 'fruits of her labor" with him? Also does the man have to leave current contact information after a sexual relationship so that he can equally share in receiving …
/r/MensRights22/02/12 05:20 PM
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The first step in fixing anything is realizing there is a problem. Kudos to him for that.
/r/MensRights21/02/12 07:21 PM
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Yes, I looked at your link and it does treat pregnancy as a disability if a woman is unable to perform her job because of pregnancy and takes leave as per Title VII. Most companies require a doctor's note explaining why the person cannot perform their job. However, as far as earning seniority or vacation pay while on this leave, it only states that if an employer does it for other disabled employees then it must do it for pregnant woman as well. So allowing employees on leave to earn vacation da…
/r/MensRights15/02/12 12:58 AM
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The details regarding Family and Medical Leave Act and the aspect of keeping the position open until the person returns to work, is the same for both men and women (and therefor, available to both mothers and fathers). I believe they must be offered the same or similar position upon their return to work and only if it does not provide a hardship for the company. In other words if a new mother or new father takes time off for birth of child as per FMLA (often referred to as maternity or paternity…
/r/MensRights14/02/12 11:43 PM
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The term "maternity leave" has become the generic term to use whenever a pregnant women leaves work for for the sake of childbirth, one should not assume "pay" comes with this leave time. In the USA new mothers and fathers are both able to take up to 12 weeks off as per the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA)with the agreement that their job will be held for them until they return. It is not paid time off, they only have the guarantee of employment when they return. There are a few companies tha…
/r/MensRights14/02/12 07:51 PM
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The term "maternity leave" has become the generic term to use whenever a pregnant women leaves work for for the sake of childbirth, one should not assume "pay" comes with this leave time. In the USA new mothers and fathers are able to take an extended period of time off as per the Family Medical Leave Act with the agreement that their job will be held for them until they return. It is not paid time off, they only have the guarantee of employment when they return. Most mothers and fathers save up…
/r/MensRights14/02/12 06:46 AM
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Could you provide a link about women being entitled to paid maternity leave in the USA. Currently there is no federal law that requires paid maternity leave. I don't know any woman that has been paid for maternity leave. However most women save up vacation time, sick days, etc. and get paid that way.
/r/MensRights14/02/12 03:05 AM
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In the USA fathers do have the exact legal options to leave work as women do (the Family Leave Act, I think it is called). Not sure how it is in other countries. However, in the USA most fathers don't opt to take it, becasue it is not "paid leave" so most couples can't afford to have both parents take the time off. We don't have paid maternity leave in the USA.
/r/MensRights14/02/12 12:37 AM
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My wife and adult daughters support the MRM, but have a hard time with the MRM webites and blogs. Some of the comments blame women for everything and are very insulting.
/r/MensRights14/02/12 12:28 AM
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Of course it is not the same. No one is suggesting it is. People trade an "apple" for an "orange" all the time. They are not the same thing, but obviously the two people involved in the trade think they are of EQUAL VALUE. Lets say the man absolutely hates cooking and cleaning and he has a hi paying job? He is more likely to value his wife staying home to do the cooking and cleaning versus the alternative which would have him missing out on his high wages (or a promotion or whatever) so he can g…
/r/MensRights11/02/12 04:31 AM
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we are not suggesting a mother should be alowed to raise the child she aborted Huh? that does not even make any sense, perhaps it's a typo. The point is once you choose abortion, there is no longer a choice to then raise the child. Since the mother no longer has a choice to raise a child after abortion than neither will the father. I am not saying I like this, I am pointing out that there would be no legal basis to stand on for a father to come back and claim he has some right to adopt the child…
/r/MensRights05/02/12 08:11 AM
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I am an MRA, athiest, and pro-life. I also beleive it is about the right to life of the fetus. I am not sure of your religious views, but I just want to point out to everyone that there are pro-life athiest, and we are not as rare as some people think.
/r/MensRights04/02/12 01:32 AM
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Have you heard anybody say that female circumcision should be a concern of both genders yes, all the time Same goes for abortion. well, I am not exactly sure what you mean, but most data shows men and women both to be about 50/50 mix of pro-choice and pro-life. However, I think the pro-choice women tend to be the most vocal "The largest anti-circ group is headed by a female." Really? Most of the groups I've seen protesting male circumcision are largely male (foregen, etc). Do you have proof of t…
/r/MensRights03/02/12 08:20 PM
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The argument has already been made that the mother has made all the choices and if any baby is born as a result of her choices it is 100% hers. I do not see how a man could come back and claim rights to the child that fully belongs to her. I would imagine that in situations where the mother decides on adoption, she would not choose the biological father. I don't like this, but I don't think men could form a logical argument to stop her from having full control of adopting the baby to whomever sh…
/r/MensRights03/02/12 08:00 PM
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if the mother decides to give up custody of the child, the father should be the first one eligible to receive custody. How do you figure the father should get custody if he already "financially aborted" the baby?
/r/MensRights03/02/12 07:29 AM
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when I say that male cirumcision is a MALE ISSUE and should be decided upon by males... Circumcision is a human's rights issue and should concern both genders. Everyone has a duty to protect baby boys. Besides in the USA it is mostly fathers that choose circumcision that are performed by male doctors or mohels. The largest anti-circ group is headed by a female.
/r/MensRights03/02/12 07:07 AM
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I am just wondering.... but what studies show men to be significantly more pro-choice then women? I have only seen a slight percentage difference in all studies I have seen. I have now heard reports that men and athiest are the up and coming pro-life group.
/r/MensRights31/01/12 05:03 PM
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It is not abandonment because the baby is cared for the whole time. Care of the baby transfers from the parent to the people at Safe Haven who then start the adoption process. A Nebraska father turned in nine kids to a Safe Haven. I am not aware of children being harmed or dying from being dropped off at a Safe Haven. Last time I heard of a newborn being dropped off in my area there were hundreds of people calling in to adopt the baby.
/r/MensRights21/01/12 01:08 AM
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mothers can already legally abandon their children... I think what you mean is that mothers can legally transfer parenting rights and responsibilities to another party while ensuring the child is safe and being cared for (i.e. Safe Haven laws which lead to adoption of the baby) Currently neither a mother or father can legally abandon a child without ensuring the child is safe. Safe haven laws assume the father has already abandoned or is unknown, and in many states the father can drop off the ba…
/r/MensRights20/01/12 10:41 PM
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I've also realized that while both parties have the choice to "have a baby " really? I keep hearing on this thread that only woman can make choices to have a baby. How would it work if the man wanted to be a father, but the pregnant woman wanted the baby all to herself and nothing to do with him? Can't she claim that she made the choice not to abort and she is the one carrying the child (taking all the risk) and therfore she gets to make 100% of the choices regarding the child including wether o…
/r/MensRights20/01/12 08:45 PM
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Seems like men will always have to ask permission from the mothers to be fathers to their own children, if the logic is used that women make all the choices to bring children into the world. How the hell do men become fathers if it is not by having sex and not determined by biology?
/r/MensRights20/01/12 06:37 PM
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The downside is that men will have to ask for women to grant them parenting rights. Let's say a woman gets pregnant. The father wants to be a dad, but the mother doesn't want him to be. She is capable and wanting to raise the child herself or with a new partner. If neither the act of having sex or biology determine a man to be the father, and the logic being used is that she made all the choices herself and chose not to abort, then how would the biological dad have any legal claim to the child? …
/r/MensRights20/01/12 07:27 AM
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What if the woman wants the baby all to herself and does not want to include a willing father. If I apply the logic I see bieng used, I would say all children belong to mothers as they made all the choices and went through all the work. How would a father establish parenthood if the mother does not allow him?
/r/MensRights09/01/12 05:02 AM
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Not all school districts are on the same schedule. The semester start and end dates may not line up. Some could be on a trimester schedule and another on a semester schedule. Also requirements may not be the same. One school may offer Spanish but not French . What would a child do if he/r already took French I and wants to go onto French II. What if s/he is on the debate team?
/r/MensRights07/01/12 09:00 AM
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I have raised three kids and I do not see shared 50/50 as realistic. Kids are people not objects. They form relationships with those around them and need stability. Asking a child to move every few weeks or months would be no different then asking an adult to move every few weeks or months. How many adults would be willing to give up their familiar places and friends and routines. Kids have sports, social lives and their personal possessions that can't be moved. Imagine a split couple who share …
/r/MensRights06/01/12 10:33 PM
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It has been my experience that fathers are behind circumcision more so than mothers. I think it would be good to get mothers on our side, as maybe they could persuade the fathers. I say this because everytime I get into a discussion about circ, it seems I am arguing more with men than with women.
/r/MensRights23/12/11 07:10 PM
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Because it would mean a huge cut in paycheck and lifestyle, is my guess. The same reason many women wont give up their careers to raise their own kids For me and all the other working fathers I knew that had stay at home wives, it is because we prefer it that way. It is not to say I didn't want to spend time with my kids, it is because staying home is not all that interesting to me (a lot of cleaning and driving) and to put it bluntly, I would rather be making money. My career did not allow for …
/r/MensRights22/12/11 03:15 AM
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In many careers, having a stay at home parent does not involve a choice of working more or working less. It is a choice of, do you want the stay-at-home partner to contribute financially or would you rather have them doing whatever it is they are doing when they stay home. Everyone has different prioroities. Apparently this guy would rather have the girl at home.
/r/MensRights21/12/11 10:34 PM
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What ever people agree is fine with me, as long as it is a choice. In this situation, they are both getting what they want or they can end the relationship. As some of you have already pointed out, nannies and daycares are not cheap and not everyone has careers with traditional hours. When my kids were young, my wife stayed home and raised the kids and it made my life easier and allowed me more family time. Daycares are very rigid and want full-time commitment. You often pay for time you don't u…
/r/MensRights21/12/11 10:10 PM
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I have worked in a hospitol. Everytime some one enters they sign a waver for consent. Even people in extreme pain. The only time it is EVER not presented for the person to sign is when they are seconds away from death. Even when people are unconcience, if they are not near death, then nothing too invasive is done until they can give consent.
/r/MensRights19/12/11 03:07 PM
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8878587 is a troll. not a female
/r/MensRights19/12/11 08:11 AM
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Pay no attention to 8878587. I believe he is a man posing as a woman to stir up controversy. If you look up his history he is a woman-bashing MRA (Men's Rights Activist) . He is acting as a troll and makes all MRAs look bad.
/r/MensRights19/12/11 07:32 AM
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When my kids were young my wife stayed home with the kids and that was fine with me. I have no doubt that her daily patience with the kids was demanding, but very different from the demands of my career. I would much rather my wife stay home with the kids then pay a stranger to do it, and it gave me more time, freedom and influence over my kids than i would have had if they were in daycare. For example I could call and speak to them any time I wanted throughout the day so I could share in whatev…
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