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There's no delusion. They don't want to fuck their clients, but they want their client's money, guys know that, and they don't care. It's women who seem to have a problem with it .
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 02:21 PM
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> If it happens that often in society, you can prove it. I don't really understand how you want me to prove it. Please elaborate. Give me like an example of what you would consider sufficient appropriate proof. Use the example of "why there aren't enough women in BOD?". What would you consider as sufficient proof to show that that problem is blamed on men. > t's called a Prenup and a condom. That's your problem, not mine. Prenups are often times thrown out of court for a great deal of reasons. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 11:04 PM
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> Prove it, and if you show me some feminist BS, then this conversation is over. Do you know how many times male feminists have gotten away with harassing and beating women? ALOT. So for love of God, don't try to inflate feminism and women. Prove what? That most women's problems are blamed on men? It would be easier to try to prove women's problems that aren't blamed on men because those problems don't exist. > Then why do we still hear complaints about the court system and male suicide? Because…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 10:31 PM
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To a woman, dates are about those things because to a woman, the date is the first step in the relationship. To a guy, the date is a stepping stone, an inconvenience. That's what it's always been. By the time the guy is on the date, he's approached so many times that he just feels like the date is useless. Think of it this way, to a woman, the first date is like a job interview. No one has been hired, no contracts have been signed, no work has been done. To a man, the job interview is the approa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 10:20 PM
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I doubt that. They may be attracted to you before you paid for their meal, but if you don't pay for the meal, you don't get sex. In any case, even if it is true, then it speaks volumes that many, if not most, women actually wait till after the meal is paid for. Maybe women WANT to sell their bodies, whether it's for a meal or for direct cash. Either way, women don't approach, they wait to be approached. This, inherently, means that they are the ones selling, and the person approaching is the one…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 09:44 PM
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The problem with this is that women and feminism tries to appeal to men to support women. Every problem women have is blamed on men, everything. Women expect that it's men's jobs to support them and often times, to fix it. Think of concepts like "toxic masculinity" being defined primarily as male traits that are not beneficial to women. Men already know how to fix their own issues, the problem is, women and feminism have forced legislations that reallocates resources from men to support women's …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 09:26 PM
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So? I don't think any sane man who has his life together would choose to kill or rape, but the fact is, we are a product of our environment. The woman still chooses. Think of it this way, the guys that come from the same situations that these women do, they often times can't choose to sell their bodies for as much money as women can make doing the same thing, but we as a society expect those men to "figure it out" and "get their shit together". At least women who are in those positions have a ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 09:04 PM
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I'm a guy, my care for women's desire is secondary to men's desire, just like women caring about men's desires come secondary to their own. Do women respect men's desires more then their own? I don't think so. If they did, no guy would need to resort to prostitution to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 05:52 PM
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How the women see it is irrelevant from a guy's point of view. To a guy, it doesn't matter if there is potential for an LTR or not. For a guy, a woman who has sex with him on the first date is basically not any different from a prostitute. Guys do get joy from having sex with women who genuinely want to have sex with them, but that isn't some prerequisite of them enjoying sex. Think of it this way, most women do get some joy from working, earning money and being able to buy their own stuff, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 05:50 PM
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Many, if not most women, are okay with letting some stranger "enter them" after the stranger buy's them a meal. That's seen as "normal", and "sexually liberating", and yet, there is so little difference between that and straight up prostitution. If you've ever had sex on a first date, you allowed a stranger to enter you without even paying you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:22 PM
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But that's his point. Would you be enthusiastic about your job if you weren't getting paid? No, probably not. I know I wouldn't work for free, I wouldn't work if I got low balled. The idea of exchanging money for sex makes these women excited, and whether they are excited to fuck YOU or simply excited to make money, it doesn't matter as long as you end up fucking and she is even moderately convincing and acting like you are attractive. Remember that, in life, the average guy gets so little compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:20 PM
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This was a thing long long before porn was around. Women mocking men about their penis size has always lead to insecurity in young men long before porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 04:07 AM
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Well, first of all, it's not fair to say that the father's left their children. We live in a world that is very bias against men when it comes to child custody. While women get custody by default, men are forced to fight for it. That is the first disconnect between you and the average man that is, at best, not attracted to a woman because of her single mother status, and at worst, disgusted by the woman with the single mother status. You believe that the woman sacrificed for her children, wherea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 12:08 AM
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Probably because while women simply have to see social instagram models get social attention and financial gain, men have to be rejected, often times in person, by a person with whom they perceive to be compatible. The thought process is that most women are being approached. It's not that they are undesirable, it's that they are undesired by the people which they themselves desire. If you reject a guy you don't find attractive, you know that you are desired by someone, just not the right someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 02:51 AM
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implication - the conclusion that can be drawn from something although it is not explicitly stated. You said: "I agree it's obvious, but our culture hasn't supported men in developing the skills to see it." The conclusion that can reasonably be drawn is that, according to you, there is a skill that men are lacking which our culture hasn't supported them in developing in order to address the problem of women poorly communicating their attraction. that is an implication. You are implying that the …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 02:51 AM
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But that's not what you said. You said "thing X is a problem, and the cause of it is that our culture doesn't help men develop the skills required to alleviate thing X". you and I aren't arguing that whether or not men not understanding women's signals is a problem for men. I mean, if you like, we can argue whether or not it's a problem for ONLY men, which again, is something that you are implying here. As I believe that women not being able to effectively communicate their attraction to men is …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 02:33 AM
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Right, but you didn't say " I agree it's obvious, but the main causes of this are ...." you specifically said that men are lacking in a skill that the culture hasn't helped them develop. Now, again, I can only read what you wrote, and nothing more. If that's all you wrote, then at the very least, as the reader, the implication is that you believe that that is the MAIN cause. Otherwise, why would you not talk about the main cause. It's like saying, "yeah, I got sick, the weather was bad" without …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 02:20 AM
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Wait, this is about me now? Cause I thought this was about the comment that you made. So,l ets take it back around to that. You said: "I agree it's obvious, but our culture hasn't supported men in developing the skills to see it." So lets assume for a minute, that I am bad at reading and at basic human comprehension. So I'm asking you for your help within the context of this comment. Please, elaborate on what you meant by when you put together this specific set of words in this specific context.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 02:13 AM
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You are absolutely right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 02:08 AM
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It doesn't matter what you've said to women in yoru life, what matters is what you said in that comment. And last I checked, there are both men and women who read and participate in these conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 02:06 AM
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> Do I have to outline every single thing that impacts why a male might not notice attraction from a female to point out one of them? no, but I would expect you to outline the thing that you think is most the most likely thing that impacts the issue. which according to you is men lacking in the skill to understand women's signals. > You just read what you want to read because you assume I'm saying something anti-man or pro-woman. I read what you wrote. You were pretty clear in saying that you be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 01:59 AM
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But you implied it. I mean, what does the following sentence mean to you? " but our culture hasn't supported men in developing the skills to see it. " Because nowhere n there did you say that women had a communication problem. You clearly said that the issue is that our culture hasn't supported men in developing the skills to see it. So, according to you, men are lacking in skills that our culture hasn't taught them. Which, again, implies that you believe that the onus is on men to develop some …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 01:45 AM
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> I agree it's obvious, but our culture hasn't supported men in developing the skills to see it. Why is the onus always on men? Maybe the issue isn't that culture hasn't supported men in developing skills, maybe the issue is that culture hasn't taught women how to be more direct and communicate their feelings clearly. It's not men's fault that they don't understand you. It's like sending the fire exit plan in Russian to an american company, and when the building burns and everyone dies, you say …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 01:36 AM
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> At the end of the day, if a woman likes you, you will know. How do you, personally, define "complicated"? if I were to look at it professionally, my job is "complicated" the most when there is a significant degree of, what's called, "professional judgment". Now, the expectation is that I know, and the expectation is that my conclusion matches the conclusion of every other professional in my profession. But that's not how it works. Every professional could have a different conclusion. That's wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 01:34 AM
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I didnt say more power, I said more influence in a child's life. Having sex was a mutual decision made by both the man and the woman, abortion is not a mutual decision, its a decision made by the mother only, and that decision impacts whether the child needs a father or not, which means that when the mother chooses to abort or not, she is the one choosing if the man is going to be a father or not, not the man. In that sense, women are given the ability to assign fatherhood, which means, men don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 02:53 PM
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Things were probably more free and easy for both men and women in your time. Times change.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 04:46 AM
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Most guys think about this stuff. It's a pretty important "screener" for guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 04:05 AM
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Uh, no, I do not feel like I have some sort of duty towards women. Generally, my logic with women is, I give as good as I get. For children, I mean, yeah, if they were MY children, but here's the thing, it's a bit convoluted as to which children are "mine". Society isn't really as clear as we pretend like it is. Sometimes, a man is forced to support and have the fatherhood responsibilities to a child that isn't even biologically related to him, even when the man doesn't consent to being the fath…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 04:00 AM
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And how many women do you think would actually be honest if they were asked? Very few, I can tell you that. Also, at what point do women think it's reasonable for a guy to bring it up. I mean for guys, most only care about n-counts if they want a relationship. N-counts can be deal breakers. So how would you react, if you go out with a guy, on a first date or second date, and everything seems to be going well, you like him, he likes you, and he springs up something like "hey, I'm not here to wast…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 02:27 AM
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It's more likely that the disparity is because the modern man was brainwashed as a child into feeling guilty for having any standards at all. I mean, most men I know had to go through assemblies where they were told that only liking skinny women is "bad", and how a person should be judged based on what's on the inside and not what's on the outside. Women do make more of an effort to look good, but women aren't the ones who are approaching. While women are putting in effort in looking good, men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 03:42 AM
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I absolutely think that that knowing "why" is key. The issue is, and I don't know if you've noticed, in our modern society, everything is the man's fault. It's hard not to be skeptical of statistics because it appears as though that statistics blaming women for things do not get published, likely in fear of some feminist movement having a negative impact on either the researchers, to the companies that published the research. The wage gap research that men use doesn't assess men or women to dete…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 06:31 PM
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You can believe whatever you want. You can stick your head in the ground and pretend it's all goods and fine. But, basically, your belief is as ridiculous and false as a person saying they believe that that "it's a myth that women actually get physically raped. All women who claimed that they were raped were lying". But even in your own comment, you prove that bias exists in divorce law when i comes to custody. A man has to "fight" for visitation. He has to FIGHT, to be able to SEE HIS OWN child…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 03:19 PM
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Every guy that I know who has divorced parents, who has attachment/trust issues, has those issues because of how he witnessed the court of law treating his father during the divorce. People are already afraid to commit, and no fault divorce is a part of the reason. People don't see the value in it, not because they aren't spiritual, but because concepts like "no fault divorce", and like the bias in divorce court against men when it comes to things like custody, makes the risk of marriage signifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 05:13 AM
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Because for men, casual sex isn't something that they get offered daily. It's something they have to work for, and therefore, earn. Men are still doing the approach tog et casual sex, men are still actually doing the work. All that a guy who has had a lot of casual sex shows about himself is that he is wiling to work to get what he wants. A woman who has had a lot of casual sex just shows that she is impulsive and indulgent. She didn't work to get casual sex, she simply existed. Impulsive and in…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 02:35 PM
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Generally speaking, I learned early on to assume all "nice" behaviors from women to be "friendly". Men misinterpret a woman being friendly as a sign of flirtation because women have poor communication skills. I'll give you an example that I've given often cause, well, it's one that I find particularly interesting. It's a little long. So, in my mid twenties, I had a friend, lets call her, Beca. We had been friends for 7 or so years, and we were always close. She was a part of our friend circle, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 03:02 AM
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I find your post ironic, and I'll tell you why. Thinking of sex as this "giving one's self to another" is a very romanticized view of sex. It is contrary to the reality of the existence of sex naturally in the world. Sex is simply sex. It's what humans have as a form of procreation with the side effect of pleasure, and with the advancement of science, the use of it as a means of procreation now is on par with it being used for pleasure. Naturally speaking, sex isn't this "wonderful" thing, at al…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 02:32 AM
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Agree. But for one thing, supporting your kid is not the same thing as compensating a woman for a choice that she made that hurt her career. And for another, are you saying that if he wrapped it up, and it failed, that he wouldn't have responsibility for the kid? Cause if you are, I'm gunna need a legislative source.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:59 PM
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But only one person to choose if that baby should be born. And that's the choice that's actually impacting womens careers and that women need to be responsible for
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 01:00 PM
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I'd put partner count as "lifestyle choices", maybe it's a historic lifestyle choice, but a lifestyle choice none the less. So, you say that virginity should not be used because it's a social construct, but then you add "social views" as one of the items on your list? I mean, if the social view is that virgin women are better, then you are saying that virginity is a valid thing to consider? or do you only mean social views that you agree with, or perhaps you mean the social views that women agre…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 03:42 AM
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> Being upset about the timetable is the same as wanting a different timetable. No, it isn't. Being upset at a time table when that time table is not consistent is not being upset at the existence of a time table, but rather, being upset at hypocrisy. Hypocrisy, is a reasonable thing to be upset about. > If I thought a woman was super special, there’s no hard and fast rule exactly about anything. Except for physical cheating. I'm going to respond to you, but you will take it the wrong way. I'll …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 02:44 AM
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I'm not telling them they are picky or or dumb, I am saying that their choices have costs, and those women should be prepared to pay the cost of those choices instead of try to get men to pay for the cost of those choices. It's YOUR biological and hormonal imperative to have your own baby, no reason for you to expect MEN to support you since YOUR choice results in you taking a hit in your career. Your logic is like saying "well, it's a biological and hormonal imperative for men to have sex. If h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 02:11 AM
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Ah, it's okay. It wouldn't have worked out between us anyway hun, whores aren't my type.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 02:03 AM
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I'd respect you if I could believe that you, in your entire life, have never had sex with a guy in under the 2 months. If you had, and are now coming up with this stipulation, then you are a hypocrite. Maybe you should be disclosing that so the guys that would wait can drop your ass and find a woman worth their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 01:56 AM
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Why don't you provide for you? Adopt a 3 year old so you don't take a hit to your career. You'd skip pregnancy, early childhood (ya know, the thing that are the actual cause of you taking a hit to your career) and go straight to child care and schools. Ultimately, you are choosing to take a hit to your career if you want to have your own kids. Your hit to your career isn't because of the man, it's because of your personal choice and preference, you just want the man to finance the cost of your o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 01:45 AM
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Some men like to chase, but those men don't like to chase what women want those men to chase. When men say they like to chase, they aren't referring to chasing after a woman with a good personality. they aren't referring to chasing for a relationship. They are referring to chasing for pussy, one night stand, chase after a living fleshlight, and never talk to her again. That's what men like to chase. Why? Because "the chase" which is men putting in effort now, is rewarded with sex, which is also …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 11:59 PM
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Being complex isn't equivalent to being superior or being more intelligent as you are implying. Complexity, in fact, is what simple people use as an excuse. A simple person will say "yeah I don't want to get a job, I'm not a sheeple, I don't want to work for the man. I'm my own person" thinking they are this intelligent, complex individual. They use the "I am a complex individual, too smart to work" excuse, but end up living at mommy's and daddy's till they are in their 30's. An intelligent pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:57 AM
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8,000 years ago and in third world countries, rape was and is common. If you want to talk about the primal brain, the "returning to historic pasts" and if that's what women encourage, then we should legalize rape. I mean shit, it's not "wrong" it's just "returning to historic pasts".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 04:25 AM
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The men's behavior in those countries is a reasonable response to the women's behavior in those countries. If getting a paternity test is illegal, then all rules of morality are thrown out the window. It's only american men who are stupid enough to be suckered into a life where they are convinced that it's moral to not have a paternity test while simultaneously being convinced that it's immoral to cheat. That's why american men are morons.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 04:22 AM
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men created the world you live in. Love it or hate it, the life you live is better than the lives of 99% of people throughout the history of time. And it was created by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:41 AM
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none of the stuff listed here really means anything. Most of these things the majority of men do anyway. Remember when men wanted skinny women and calling a woman "fat" wasn't some taboo asshole thing? WOmen decided to attack men when they were boys. I remember having assemblies in school by 4 overweight woman, telling us how "it's what's on the inside that counts" and "it's wrong to judge a person by their weight". Fact is, women always play the victim, they always think "others should change t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 09:57 PM
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Right, so that's my point. You do get "disqualified" if your interest do not align with hers. That's what I'm saying. It's best for a man to do things that most women like (ie. not be himself). that way, he doesn't get "disqualified". As time goes on, he can stop doing the things he isn't interested in, the things that he did so that he could increase his chances of not being "disqualified", and go back to doing the things he enjoys doing. Some women will consider your interests, but it won't ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 10:40 PM
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Hold up a sec, so you think that I can approach any woman with "hey, my net worth is $xxxx, and did you read the md&a for tesla? Fucking stupid eh" and end up having a conversation with that woman that results in a date? You MUST be a woman to think that. Even if that was the case, think I want a woman who dates me cause my of my net worth? I never disclose all of my assets to women I date. When we get to the point where we discuss financing, a i show her is thst i have no debt. I dont tell her …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 07:09 PM
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I do okay for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 06:33 PM
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Sure there are, but thats like trying to find a needle in a haystack. The likelihood of that guy finding that woman, and that woman being interesting in him is so low, that its basically non existent. And let me tell you as someone who does read financial statements in gis spare time, I've never met a woman who enjoys that stuff, what they do enjoy is having someone that they can ask things like "hey what are your thoughts about stock ABC co". Its much nore effective for that guy to learn to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 05:43 PM
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You think a woman who is attracted to you because of your wealth is a "decent" woman? You think men who worked their asses off to accumulate wealth are looking to share that wealth with someone who did jack shit in their lives to accumulate their own wealth? And again, this is the problem that I have with advice like that. Its very feminine. "Be who you are and women that share interesrs will appear in your life". Again, true for women, not true for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 05:05 PM
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It doesn't though. If your goal is to not have a job and stay at home to play video games, if you are a woman, you'd still be able to find a partner with relative ease, if you sre a man those "goals" will not help you. That advice is only useful for women. What you and women actually mean when you give men that advice is to focus on building the hobbies that attract women, and the goals that attract woman. A guy might want to be an accountant who collects stamps, and read financial statements in…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 03:39 PM
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I never whined about not being able to get women, I often times discuss the inequality and hypocrisy of women especially when it comes to the dating world. But, ultimately, your advice doesn't contribute and doesn't help men at all. It hurts them. It's like if you were trying to run a 100 meter dash and I decided to come out and say "hey, you know what would help you run that dash faster, if someone hit your knee with a baseball bat. I know I've never ran a 100 meter dash, and I know that I've n…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 01:05 AM
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You need to realize how completely feminine your advice is. That advice would work great for a woman, but it's useless for a man. It's very very poor advice for men. It's like a woman saying "be yourself, and you'll find the right woman" to a man. Women can do that, men can't. A man who wants a relationship isn't necessarily defining his self worth by the amount of women's attention that he gets. That's simply what you, as a woman, think that men think. A man who wants sex isn't defining his wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 12:51 AM
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No, absolutely not. I mean, if it's a choice between having what I have and being the kind of guy who could easily get casual sex, most definitely not. Hell, even if it's a choice between giving up what I have for an amazing relationship with an amazing woman, a "unicorn", if you will and living the rest of my life without having any sexual or intimate interactions with a woman, then again, absolutely not. The guy who said that must really not have that much in his life. And that's sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 12:37 AM
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Whatever you say, sugartits.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 01:39 PM
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It's working just fine, has been for a long, long time. But you believe whatever you like, buttercup.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 02:05 AM
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When capitalism collapses, men won't need women's permission. The "natural order" is an ugly thing, more so for women then for men. THe system that men created allows you to work, to live relatively safely, and to be supported by individuals that you have never even met. Capitalism doesn't favor men, it has created a world where men and women can live better than they have at any period of time in human history. You should be thanking men for creating capitalism and for giving you the ability to…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 01:29 AM
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Except that if they read further down, it states that they are not outliers and they are normally occurring even in situations where the male tries to court the female, but gets rejected. The article literally says that the discussion is not about whether "forced copulation" occurs in the natural world (since they state that it clearly does), rather, the discussion is about the morality of it occurring in the animal world vs it occuring within humans. In any case, the reason I brought it up isnt…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 02:43 PM
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It has been noted that behavior resembling rape in humans is observed in the animal kingdom, including ducks and geese[citation needed], bottlenose dolphins,[1] and chimpanzees.[2] Indeed, in orangutans, close human relatives, copulations of this nature may account for up to half of all observed matings.[3] Such behaviors, referred to as 'forced copulations', involve an animal being approached and sexually penetrated as it struggles or attempts to escape. These observations of forced sex among a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 01:33 PM
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My personal opinion and thoughts on rape are irrelevant. What is relevant is that rape exists in nauture, but just because it does doesn't mean that we can allow it to exist in society and say "oh its just nature". And society does the same thing about many behaviours that are "just nature", because we recognize that humans should live in a world where they don't face disadvantages due to nature. So sayinh "its harder for men, but that's okay cause its 'just nature'" is ignorant because its not …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 01:21 PM
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The fact that it exists in nature proved my point that it us natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 01:05 PM
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Rape exists in the natural world. In fact, it's the idea of "Consent" that is unnatural and man made. In the natural world, typically the gender that is physically stronger has sex regardless of what the other gender wants or feels comfortable with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 12:07 PM
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Neither does not hiring women because she could potentially get pregnant. Nature is nature, you can't pick and choose what parts of nature you want to follow and which you don't. either you accept that nature has advantageous for both men and women and accept those as is, or you choose to believe that we need to make life easier for people who are disadvantaged by nature, man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 12:05 PM
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Be careful when you start saying "women are advantaged because of nature, and we shouldn't do anything about it". Don't forget, rape is natural too, and it is advantageous to men, should men just start raping because it's "just nature". Also remember, we live in a world of equality. it's not okay that it's harder for men, it's inherently unequal. If you want to say that it's okay for some things to be harder for men, then maybe we should stop hiring young women because they will get pregnant and…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 05:24 AM
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Well, sex, despite what women may believe, is a need for men. And women have put it on men to find ways to attract women in order to obtain sex. Ultimately, I find it hard to believe that everything men do is to attract women. I mean, truth be told, attracting and being attractive to women has played a very, very small role in my decision making. I mean, maybe small things in my life, like learning to act confident or funny or something, but nothing major. I always just did what I wanted, looked…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 05:15 AM
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Wait, but you said that when the child is born, that's like the signer defaulting. Now you are saying that the choice to abort is like the signer paying it properly. But what, exactly, are they paying at that point? We have already agreed that child support is equivelant to the mortgage paymetns. So does the mother pay child support when she chooses to abort? What is she paying? The choice to abort is equivelant to the signing of the mortgage. The signing of the mortgage is the last possible mom…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 11:42 AM
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Now who's bringing up arbitrary things to change the metaphore? SO, in your mind, what is the choice to abort equivalent to in the mortgage analogy? If the contract agreed to by the both the man and the woman when sex occurs is a contract where they both agree to become parents, then do you believe that if the woman chooses to abort, she should owe the man compensation for breaking the contract?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 01:43 AM
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I AM comparing risks to risks. You are the one that seems to think that a choice to have sex = choice to become a parent, when you have clearly admitted that it isn't so for women. Let me put it this way, once both parties sign the mortgage contract, neither party can cancel the contract without permission from the other party. A woman can abort without permission from the man. Therefore, in our analogy here, the signing of the mortgage is not similar to the choice to have sex, rather, it's the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 12:47 AM
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It is a good analogy. Because the mortgage contract that you have to co-sign is equivalent to the choice to abort. Except, men can't choose to abort. YOu saying a man chose parenthood when he decided to have sex is like you saying one person accepted the mortgage because he agreed on a real estate agent. No, the real estate agent is one decision, and accepting the mortgage is a completely different position. If you want both people to pay for the mortgage, both people have to have the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 12:15 AM
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Okay now we are going in circles. But let me end off with one question. Name one other choice that a person can make on behalf of another person, that will result in the other person having to pay an annuity for 18+ years. Can someone decide to take a mortgage out in your name and force you to pay the payments? Cause last I checked that was fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:50 PM
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That was a mutual decision. She allowed him to ejaculate inside her without protection. They both made that choice, unless we are discussing rape, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:44 PM
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Which is exactly what I'm talking about. Men and women both can stop reproduction, but only women can stop parenthood. Which basically means that men don't choose to be parents, they are assigned parenthood. Think of situations where the man doesn't want the woman to have an abortion, and the woman choose to have an abortion anyway. He doesn't become a father because of her choice. As I've been saying, men's fatherhood is assigned by women despite the fact that women and society expect men to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 01:38 PM
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He "consents" to the outcome when he ejaculates into a woman If a woman doesn't consent to parenthood when she allows a man to ejaculate inside her, then a man doesn't consent to parenthood when he ejaculates inside a woman. The choice to have sex is just that, a choice to have sex. It's not consent to parenthood for women, which means it isn't a consent to parenthood for men. Equality is a bitch, eh? But ultimately, if sex=parenthood for men, then it should be the same for women, which means ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 01:18 AM
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If parenthood occurs when the child is born, then the man should have the ability to force women to physically abort. I think we both do not agree that that should not be the case, although, if you women truly believe it is fair for a man to pay for a choice he never got to make, I'd be willing to change my mind. If women don't care about fairness, sympathy, empathy and equality for the opposite sex, why should men? As a result, abortion cannot be defined by it's physical repercussions. The birt…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 12:43 AM
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What do you think is the end result for a woman choosing to abort? Sure, there is the medical procedure, which a man cannot force a woman to go through, but think past that. What does the procedure result in? As I see it, for a woman, after the procedure, the woman doesn't have a child. She doesn't become a mother. She gives up her ability to raise a potential child, to enjoy the benefits AND suffer the responsibilities of the potential child. Like you said, a man can't force a woman to go throu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 11:49 PM
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As I said, abortion is a choice to become a parent. It doesn't have to be linked with forcing anyone to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 11:33 PM
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For women it is because they can choose to abort. For men it isn't because they can't choose to abort. That's why it's important for men to have the right to abort.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:28 PM
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Abortion is not the same as birth control. Birth control attempts to avoid pregnancy before it occurs, abortion attempts to stop pregnancy after it occurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:08 PM
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Courts try to get what? Laws that automatically assign physical custody equally to both mothers and fathers, requiring either parent to opt out of equal custody? no, the courts don't try to get that. The courts default custody to mothers and try to get fathers to fight for equal custody. Those are two very different things, that send two very different messages. A lot of women "dont' want it " either, you know what the difference is? Women get the choice to abort. I'm not talking about what a me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:43 PM
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Abortion is a choice to become a parent. If women get to make that choice after conception, then men should get the ability to have that choice too. Both parents do not have equal parental rights. If they did, our legal system would default to 50/50 physical custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:13 PM
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that's like saying "if women were men, then they'd be allowed to work". If you want to go down that route, then you are clearly a strong believer in traditional gender roles, inequality etc. I'm sorry to break to you hun, we don't live in that world anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:08 PM
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Men have the right to abort at the same time that women do? Men are assured that the child are biologically theirs? News to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:04 PM
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Men would do more in raising their children if they got equal custody and equal ability to choose to abort, and assurance that the child is there's. It isn't "raise your kid then we'll let you be a father", it's "you're a father, so raise your kid". Give men the same rights of parenthood that women get.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:01 PM
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I find that hard to believe, extremely hard to believe in fact. I know contracts where one party didn't disclose all the information are overturned, but I've never seen a situation where a contract that happened to end up benefiting one party more than initially expected at the time the contract was signed ended up being overturned. Think about something as simple as an insurance contract. I pay insurance and the expectation is that at some point, I'll get in an accident where I'll need the cove…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 01:55 AM
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Wait, what's unfair? The fact that one stock ended up being worth 10mil and the other ended up being worth $0? Just for argument's sake, how's that unfair? It's not like either party knew which stock or if either stocks were going to do well, they both had an equal chance of their stock their stock doing well, so what's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 01:18 AM
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I think this sub is very skewed. Honestly. it's so so surprising how many women outside of this sub would agree with the men in this sub. It's funny, I overheard a couple co-workers today talking about marriage and dating and feminism etc today at the office. I didn't get involved, I just listened. It was a man and a woman. Now, those who I've argued with here, would likely say that I have some extreme view points, but let me tell you, none of my viewpoints are anywhere near as anti-feminist (or…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 12:30 AM
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Prenups are agreements after a negotiation. When a person signs it, they negotiations end. It's like, if you sign a contract with a contractor, you can't just not pay the contractor for work done because you found another contractor who would charge less. A prenup isn't about protecting the interest of both parties, it's about prematurely deciding what each person gets long before a divorce occurs. For example, if a man and a woman have nothing except 2 stocks of 2 companies, and they sign a pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 12:19 AM
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You know what always surprises me? how many people, often times women, actually believe that when a man contacts government agencies like child protective services or the labour board, those agencies actually give a shit. I filed a sexual harassment complaint with the labor board 9 years ago, 9 years, and it's still "under review" as of last february. My friend's son is being abused by mommy's boyfriend, he called child protective services over 2 years ago, and they still haven't done shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 12:11 AM
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I don't agree with the idea that a prenup is a myth. The reason is because I've heard of many reasons why prenups can be thrown out. A key one is "the prenup is grossly disadvantageous to one of the parties". And the gross disadvantage is, often times, things like the agreement that no support will be paid by either party if a divorce were to occur, or the allocation of the marital home. The point is, the concept of "fair" is considered when a court is deciding to throw out a prenup, and marital…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 12:09 AM
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Incels are not the men who are pulling this shit. They are the morons that would lick the dirt your boots leave behind as you walk past them. They are probably the kind of men that women like you dream of having. Real men have exit strategies that go around bs laws which try to force them to pay for women's decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:55 AM
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If you say so, but the reason why you are in the situation you are in is because women like you refuse to acknowledge the benefits and entitlements that women receive. Your ex was right to do what he did, and more and more men are doing exactly what he's done. Good on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:46 AM
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I don't have to make those choices. I have the benefit of being able to create an exit strategy and disappear the minute I get a whiff of any woman trying to take me for child support or any other bs entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:42 AM
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Mutually decided upon children? Honey, if the man wanted children, he wouldn't have abandoned them. You probably nagged him to death about it till he said "fuck, fine, whatever". The law was created because of people like me, during a time when men actually got custody of their kids and when abortion was illegal. Times have changed, the laws haven't, which means that people like me are a reasonable response to outdated laws that were created in and for different times. If women can't bring thems…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:38 AM
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You talk about men walking away like it was a choice of whether you should keep a puppy or not if something inconveniences you. Yeah, just walk away from your child, easy peasy. You stupid Wiminz.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:21 AM
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Where's your benefit? You already got it. You could have chosen to abort, but didn't. He couldn't have. That's a HUGE benefit. Did you do a paternity test for him? you get to know the child is yours, again, HUGE benefit. Also, your benefit is that, ya know, you get to be with your kid, don't want your kid? put them up for adoption and walk away. No one is stopping you. That's your choice. Don't like those benefits? You should have chosen a better man, or you should have made better life choices.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:18 AM
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You appear to believe that that supports your argument. 7% of fathers got full custody, but 50% of the responsibility of every child belongs to men. yeah, that math works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 11:22 PM
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Stephanie and keep a side for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:31 PM
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You can look it up yourself on the census bureau for the US, and on statscan for Canada. Your turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:32 PM
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Prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:14 PM
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I didnt say equal parenting I said physical custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 07:29 PM
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Okay, so first of all, it isnt "just" shelling out some money. Its paying over 200k over 18 years, which can easily be 300k when accounting for roi. Its being forced to pay a mortgage for someone else decision. Second of all, it isnt my kid. And I can prove that to you with 1 simple question: if the mother wants to abort and I dont, is there anything I can do? If I can't make that choice, the child isnt mine until I accept paternity after its born. Leaving is me not accepting paternity, equivela…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 07:14 PM
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The fact that you would abandon your own child without a second thought, having zero desire to ever see them and know them, to make sure they're getting the best advantages in life, to make sure they're happy and healthy and not being abused or mistreated makes me question what you are worth as a human being. My worth is equivalent to the average womans worth. Dont forget, the average woman and hell, most people, have no problems with abortion. I, as a man, are denied my choice to abort, so I cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 06:16 PM
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90% of the cases are settled outside of court because of the bias against men. If stats show that the game is rigged against you, only morons would spend time and money trying to win or even to play the game
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 06:11 PM
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Directly? No. But when your tax laws specifically allows only the lower income spouse to claim the expenses and the lower income spouse is almost always the woman, or when the tax laws disallows claiming the expenses unless the court gave you physical custody, and physical custody is given to women in the overwhelming majority of cases, its pretty clear which gender the laws are trying to reallocate income from and to. The gender gap exists because of bias in the legal system and womens entitlem…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:17 PM
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Why must having a child subject a woman to poverty and/or government dependency? Cost needs to be allocated based on benefits and ability of control. And women benefit and can control the situation n more than men due to human intervention. Women can choose to abort after choosing to have sex. Women are considered the primary parent by default in divorce. Women know if the child is theirs or not. Those are benefits that women receive and that are provided to them by a society that doesnt provide…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:06 PM
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If you say so
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:20 PM
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Biology didnt give women the right to abort without giving men the right to abort. Thats human intervention. Biology doesn't reallocate wealth from men and to women for womens choices to abort or not, thats human intervention. Using biology as an argument is plain stupid and hypocritical. TRP teaches you to get what you want and paying the least amount. Its not about accepting responsibility, otherwise things like dread wouldn't be a thing. TRP literally says to have an exit strategy so that you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:15 PM
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Daycare is not a benefit to the child, its a benefit to the mother because it allows her to work and maintain a standard of living that she enjoys. Its is not and should not be included in non discretiinary child expenses. Its not mens jobs to pay for womens standard of living. If the woman doesn't want to accept a job that allows her to raise her child, she should not have gotten custody as she clearly prioritizes her happiness over the well being of the child. See this is what I mean when I sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:07 PM
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Society has decided that the benefit of the child isnt as important as the benefit of the mother. Therefore, as unfortunate as it may be, that is the world we live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:52 PM
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Your logic is the reason why TRP exists. I'll eliminate the risk by having an exit strategy. The minute she says "I'm pregnant" is the minute I dissappear. Many men are doing the exact same thing as I am. Give men equal rights before expecring them to accept equal responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:51 PM
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A kid isn't created at conception, its created at the last moment that allows a child to be created. Women can choose to abort after conception, men can't. Therefore it isnt mens sperm that created the children, its the womans choice to not abort. Also, our society doesn't define fatherhood based on biology. Keep in mind victims of paternity fraud are forced, by law, to pay for the child even if their sperm wasn't involved in the creation of the child. Fatherhood in modern society is an assignme…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:45 PM
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Look im not going to discuss cost of raising the child because like I said and you proved, it varies based on where you live. Where I live, it costs about 210k. So you are saying that just because a child has food and shelter, that means every penny of the childbsupport payment was used on the child? Well shit, I guess if I made a $1 payment toward my mortgage, that means my mortgage is fully paid for despite my mortgage payments being 2k a month. As I said, you are making an assertion that need…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:33 PM
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18k a year huh? Depends on where you live. So that averages out to be 324k from 0 to 18, where I live, stats show the cost is about 210k which averages out to be 972 a month, also, out average child support payment is 560 per child per month. By the way, I live in what has been rated as one of the most expensive cities to live in throughout the entirety of North America. The governmenr provides further subsidies because of womens entitlements, thats why the modern woman is entitled. If there is …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:38 PM
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Defend myself? What the fuck do you want? Pictures of my kids? I dont need to defend myself, fact is, the government believed that the average incremental cost of raising the average child is 860 a month, of which each parent is responsible for half. I dont need to defend my personal expenses or my personal family situation because its irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:00 PM
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The government has a semblance of how much a child costs, and they think 430 a month is plenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 01:43 PM
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You can giggle all you want, but you clearly don't have any concept of basic financial concepts like incremental costs, discretionary cost, economies of scale etc. Etc. And thats the problem with society forcing men to hand their money over to women without holding the woman accountable for that money. You think that buying take out for the child on a daily basis because you are too lazy too cook is a non discretionary cost. Laziness does not equate to necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 01:43 PM
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Are you illiterate or something? Do you know how many groceries one can get with $250? For me I pay about 200 a month, and ima grown ass man, usually 20% or so of those groceries end up in the trash cause i can't finish them. All in all, id say the incremental cost for non discretionary food (note the word "incremental") is 50-100. Increase in rent like you said, 200, so that's 300, that leaves you with 130 a month for other non discretionary expenses. If you are buying 300 with of clothes month…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 01:33 PM
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I didnt say women are being solely funded by tax dollars, i said they receive the benefits from taxes which men are often denied. Those benefits are paid for by society, which means that women are the beneficiaries of the relocation of wealth from men. In other words, womens poor choices are funded by men in a variety of ways including alimony, child support, and tax policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 01:29 PM
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Why would anyone be forced to pay for anyone else's expenses when they dont receive the benefit of the item which the expense generated Do? Do you hear yourself? Your sense of entitlement is ridiculous. You may as well ask society to force men to pay for your mortgage and car loans.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 01:26 PM
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Child support is a punishment when you are forced to pay it without getting the benefits of being a parent. Not having the child live with you is you not getting the benefit. It is the responsibility of the custodial parent to bear the majority of the burden of the child because the custodial parent is the one that is receiving g the lions share of the benefit of having a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 01:24 PM
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If the custodial parent is unable or unwilling to take the responsibility of the child (ie. Financially support the child and raise the child) then they should have been given custody. Again, if you get take out every day then no 200-250 a month isn't enough. But getting takeout is the mothers choice and not a necessity. She can choose to cook at home every day and that budget is more than sufficient. Men shouldn't pay for womens choices. If the non custodial parent gets custody and pays the 430…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 01:22 PM
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He did. Nothing happened. When you are a man, nothing you do matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 01:16 PM
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First of all, the 430 isn't supposed to cover all of that, it's supposed to cover half of that. Second of all, daycare allows the woman to work and does jack shit for the man who doesn't have custody of the child. Therefore, daycare should be paid for by women , not men. And third, I, as a man, spend 200-250 a month on food monthly when I cook at home. If a woman is spending 200-250 a month on food for just the child, then she is feeding the child all take out, which again, is her choice and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 12:11 PM
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Child support is child support in title only. There isn't any proof that the money is being spent on the child. If the woman spends it on vacations and keeps the child in a locked up room, there's nothing the man can do about it. It isn't actual child support, it's just another form of income that gets added to the recipient's income without any requirements to support or prove that the money was spent on the child. > Sending some money, a birthday card and hanging out with the kid once every tw…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 11:41 AM
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So, what's your point now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:21 AM
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Have you ever been a man going through custody hearings? Let me tell you, the first thing you are told when you mention wanting custody to your lawyer are your abyssimal odds, the ridiculous cost, and the likelihood of the desired outcome despite the cost. The lawyer tells you straight up "if you want physical custody, it's could take years, it'll be expensive, and honestly, your best case scenario is weekly visitations instead of biweekly visitation". It isn't "you have equal rights to your chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:02 AM
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That's by choice. If a woman chooses to pay more, that's on her. Child support covers the cost of the average child, anything more is the woman going above and beyond. Women get the benefit of children. Don't forget, in the western world the overwhelming majority of physical custody still goes to women by default. Men are forced to pay the cost of the child without getting access to the child or without getting anywhere near the amount of influence on the child's life (ie. the ability to raise t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:36 AM
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> You are a failure"."You cant have sex and will not be happy"."You are not good enough". "Women will only use you and leave you as soon as you show weakness". All this makes me and most men angry and frustrated thinking we are not meant to be happy. Makes us feel excluded like some kind of retarded being that are not able to even get along with the oposite sex. This isn't what dating advice tells you, this is what women tell you and what society tells you. Everyone tries to be nice about it and…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 01:08 AM
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Society does blame men for making poor choices in marriage, that's why society forces those men to pay for those choices by forcing them to pay alimony and child support. In contrast, society doesn't expect or force women to pay for their poor choices in the men they choose to have children with, and, in fact, forces others (ie. men) to pay for her poor choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 12:55 AM
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Why does it matter how much? Mens lives aren't defined by how much their their legal actions hurt women, just like women's lives aren't define by how much of their legal actions hurt men. We are free to do what we want so long as it is within the limitations of the law, and there is no aspect of TRP that is illegal
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 01:46 PM
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"Most" or "least" doesn't matter, even if men didn't commit any crimes and women committed 1 crime a year, society would still need to implement protective services and depend on men to carry out those services. Even if no one committed crimes at all, society would still implement protective services from animals, fires etc etc. No matter who or what makes the mess, society relies on men to clean it up. And men willingly take those jobs to protect the weaker sex, which is woman. Men care about w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:20 PM
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What's your definition of "lower class". I have a diploma, a degree, a masters, a professional designation and a specialization, and am in the process of getting a second professional designation. I, as an individual, make more than two times the average household income in one of the most expensive cities in the world. I'm 30 years old. I know a lot of men, men who never graduated high school, men who did a bs degree in university, and men who studied their asses off and work their assess off. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:51 AM
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Female strangers or friends? Rarely. Women I'm sleeping with/dating, occasionally. I get the most compliments from male strangers, often times from gay male strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:24 AM
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Women make messes too. Women are violent too, it's just, society doesn't recognize women's violence as readily as it recognizes men's violence, cause "women are weak". Saying that men are the only ones that create an environment where people need protection just shows how ignorant you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:20 AM
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Of course not, because being virtous doesn't get results. It's women who are the recipients of the behaviours within the SMP. It's women who are pushing for non virtuous and immoral behavior because it's women who have unreasonable demands. The average woman isn't any more virtuous than the average RP man. If a man is "virtuous" in the modern SMP, he'll be the only one who is, and he'll end up either sexless or divorce raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:16 AM
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First of all, those are business practices exist for a reason. If you are sold a lemon when buying a car, that's on you for not getting the car checked out. No one is manipulating you, they are convincing you it's not a lemon, it's your job to do your due diligence ( that's another one of those business term that people are expected to be familiar with but women choose not to be). Sales people identify which features sell, and exaggerate those features in there product. What, you think that if, …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:15 AM
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Truth is, if you are a "red pill" man who still wants a monogamous relationship, then you aren't red pilled. If you actually still believe that you have a chance in finding a monogomous, rest of your life relationship, then you are completed disconnected from the factual reality that TRP is actually discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 03:46 AM
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Well, logically, how picky a person should be depends on the level of incremental risk that they are taking. What i mean by incremental risk is, risk that is applicable to one gender but not the other. For example, for a woman, her risk primarily revolves around the dangers of physical abuse and the wastage of time. Yes, there is risk for men to be physically abused, but, relatively speaking despite the fact that it occurs, men are, on average, physically superior and therefore the actual conseq…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 01:25 PM
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HR exists to look after the interests of the company and to reduce potential liability due to labour laws. The labour laws and the way the governing institution enforces them is bias towards women, therefore, it is logical that HR focuses less on deviation from labor laws by women and more on deviations from labor laws by men. It absolutely sucks, but as much as I hate those fuckers in HR, they are only doing their jobs. The problem is more inherent in a bias governing body.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 07:52 PM
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Yeah, for sure. at this one work place, men had to wear dress pants, long sleeve dress shirts,and sometimes a tie and blazer. Women are just supposed to wear "professional attire" which apparently means any pair of pants and a shirt. Half the time, the women wear regular street clothes, but as soon as a guy wore those kinds of clothes once, he got called in to HR. The problem with it is the office temperature control. So, for guys, we have to wear long sleeve dress shirts and dress pants 12 mont…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 06:51 PM
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How are women in mostly male career paths (like tech) given things on a silver platter, when those places are often unfriendly to women? How are qualified women who are good at what they do undeserving because it was supposedly handed to them? Because we live in a world where hiring based on merit is can and will result in significant liabilites to profit driven corporations when those hiring practices result in women not being hired. We live in a world of gender quotas in male dominated spaces …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 01:19 PM
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No, not really, but they do tend to change. I mean, women have this way of just being bitches about men and their friends. I mean, from the guy's perspective, I get it I've been there too. After all, your friends aren't going anywhere, and it's clear that most women seem to be threatened or intimidated by guys having friends and spending time with people who aren't them. So, you have to see your friends less and see the woman more, it's not fun and I've never met a guy who was happy about it, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 04:01 AM
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Uh, well, I have a real hard time enjoying women. I mean, I have a bunch of friends, and really, the only ones I sorta enjoy being around are the ones who are very highly educated, MBA's, architects, doctors, lawyers etc, and even with them, only a small group of them. I don't really think I can engage with women on a meaningful level, at least, not at the same level as I can engage with men. I mean, if the women in my life behaved and acted the same way but they were men instead of women, I'd p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 03:29 AM
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I've heard france is basically a giant orgy. Cheating on your partner is the norm and isn't even condemned anymore over there. Isn't something like 1 in 10 men in france aren't the real father's of the children they are raising? I've also heard about similar culture in jamaica.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 03:01 AM
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Yeah but the fact is, fathers are expected to give up rights regarding abortion ,and while mother suffer for 9 months, fathers, especially ones that didn't get to choose to abort, suffer for 18 years due to legal requirements for them to pay for the child. In essence, a woman is sufferring for 9 months, then 18 years, but she had the choice to abort, the father doesn't get that choice, and therefore, in reality, it's men who are expected to, and who actually, suffer more because they are FORCED …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:19 PM
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or because women are more likely to marry men who make more than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 01:20 PM
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No, you didn't, but you used phrases that imply that you are only talking about men. For example, you used "PUA" and "gaming", which typically isn't used in describing women's dating tactics. When you say things like that, you make a very clear implication. Just because I don't say "women are special" doesn't mean the sentence "every person who gives birth is special" doesn't imply that women are special.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 03:06 AM
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Basically what I'm getting from this post is that women should never give dating advice since their passive role forces them to be consider only "what benefits me", is that right? Or, are you only directing this from the point of view of men giving advice? Look, the "dark side" is simply men mirroring and incorporating women's strategies. Don't forget, manipulation and lies are so common with women, that men simply learned to accept it. I mean, is there a man alive who expects an honest answer t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 01:03 AM
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You can ignore facts all you want, but the fact is, it is significantly more likely for men to get an STD from a prostitute than it is for a woman to get an STD from having sex with the average guy. Women get pregnant, but women can choose to abort, and if they don't choose to abort, men are forced to pay for the child. Men aren't immune to that, it's a risk taken by both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 01:05 PM
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Those men's jobs aren't to have sex with random people for money and the average man isn't sleeping 3+ women a day. Yes there is risk of women getting an STD, but that risk is about the same as the risk of her giving an STD to a guy. With prostitutes, the risk is significantly higher. It's not comparable. If women wanted men who cared about them, then there would be a lot more guys having sex. If women wanted men who cared about them, they would be more likely to be in relationships. The point o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 04:55 PM
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But the study isn't about whether men or women are getting what they want, the discussions aren't about whether men and women are getting what they want, it's about whether they are having sex. Fact is, if a man isn't having sex, it's more likely because he is trying and not being successful rather than it being a choice. If a woman isn't having sex, it's more likely due to a choice than them trying and not being successful, simply because of the fact that female sexuality is reactive. > Men can…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 04:30 PM
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That's because middle school boys in the 90's were being sheltered by the women in their lives and brainwashed into thinking that girls were these delicate little flowers, and one day, one of those delicate flowers will love them so deeply that his world would be expanded to include her.. Now those boys have the internet, they see what their future is, they see that girls aren't these delicate little flowers. It isn't that boys are any worse now than they were in the 90's, it's that the you are …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 12:23 AM
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Really? you think that murder is more moral than say, giving it up for adoption when you don't want it? Hell, like you said, if a father abandons the child, at the very least, there is a chance that the mother will find a guy to marry who will take care of the child. A chance. But you just want to take that chance away. But look, the fact is, society doesn't view it that way. Abandonment is a lesser crime than murder, and due to the assignment of fatherhood by our society means that the only rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 12:03 AM
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It's not fear mongering or doomsday prepping, it's a rational reaction to an astronomically costly potential liability. As I said, if the cost is astronomically high, the reaction to it has to be severe to reduce the risk. It's logical and rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 11:34 PM
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yes i think abandoning the kid is far worse than murder. at least if the kid is dead, he or she won't face suffering. Well, now look who is being irrational. So you think that instead of simply abandoning their children, men should just murder their children like women do, yeah? So why is it that women don't go to jail for murdering their children, but men do? id cut the dick of a pedophile and stab his balls, but not the dick of a child murderer. so i wouldn't do the same to a woman who aborts.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 11:31 PM
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That's subjective and I wouldn't be able to give you a figure that I can support. They are no where near as low as the odds of being struck by lightening. The divorce stats alone, along with the official statistics for how often men get custody, how often men are forced to pay child support vs women etc alone are enough to show that the odds are significant enough to warrant the assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 11:25 PM
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> you see kids as tools, investments and means, i see them as the purest form of life that society should prioritize and protect before anyone else. I see kids as the purest forms of life that parents should prioritize and protect before anyone else. not society, the parents. The people that created them, the people that chose to bring them into this world. It's not society's job to pay for your choices, it's yours. Society that sees children as tools, as investments and as a means. Women, in ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 11:07 PM
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> I think you're overlooking the fact that the odds of these doomsday scenarios occurring are unlikely. You are not understanding how those odds are related to costs. Low odds mean jack shit if the cost is astronomical. And the odds of being screwed by a woman aren't as low as being struck by lightening. It's significantly more likely for a woman to get pregnant and refuse to abort than it is for me to get struck by lightening. It's significantly more likely that a divorce occurs, one where my c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 10:55 PM
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It's irrational to assume that every woman you date might force you to raise a child that isn't yours Says who? rationality is logic based, and logic is risk/cost based. That is what rationality is. So, if we broke it down as an equation, rational=Risk*Cost with risk and cost having an inverse relationship. In other word, the threshold that makes something "rational" has to be offset by either a low enough risk, or a low enough cost. . The average person defines what the word "rational" is to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 10:43 PM
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> if you nutted in the mom, and a kid with your dna came out of her, it's your kid So, then, if I nutted in the mom, and the definition of fatherhood starts from the point I nutted inside her, then shouldn't I have equal rights to that child from the point that it became mine? As in, I should have the right to abort. Otherwise, how can it be mine? >and you pay for it. Paying and taking on the responsibilities of a child, comes with the other side of it. It comes with obtaining the benefits of ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 10:19 PM
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> point 1 is too extreme and completely delusional tbf, especially the child support part bc it's your fucking kid. you cant post partum abort it Is it your kid though? Lets analyses that for a second. how does society define fatherhood? you might think it's a funny concept to question, but if you look towards society to define when a child and the responsibilities of the child belong to a man, there isn't really a clear definition. It's not a biological definition, considering that our society …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 09:45 PM
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You see, but that's the problem. we know what men want from women, and we know what women want from men. Men want sex, women want resources. Our society has essentially removed women's needs of men by allowing the government to act like the middle man, taking men's money and reallocating it to women. However, society has not done the same for men. I mean, there's really only two ways to fix this. 1 - remove the reallocation of wealth from men to women, which would mean no support for single moth…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 09:21 PM
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Look, you can't scream "nature" when we, as a society, have laws to circumvent nature. We have decided that it's okay to admit nature fucked up and that we need to fix it. I'll give you an example, yes, men's sex drives result in men desiring sex more often than women, yes, our sexual nature means that women don't want to persue, but nature gave men a way of fulfilling their natural desires even in situations where they fail at the chase: rape. Is it wrong? of course. but nature doesn't care abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 09:07 PM
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> TRP men tend to have an abnormal/irrational fear of being perceived as “beta.” They’re “betaphobic,” if you will. In what way is their fear irrational. Abnormal, maybe, but irrational? well, that's an interesting statement. Keep in mind, what is normal takes time to develop. The laws and regulation that create that fear of being "beta" are relatively recent, it could be that RP men are simply ahead of the curve. In 5 or 10 years, the views that you see as "abnormal fear of being perceived as '…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 08:57 PM
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I don't even know what you are talking about at this point. No one is obsessing over or sexualizing children, I just said they are at their prime starting at that age. We were also talking about a scenario where the guy was her age too. I said women are at their prime at a young age, if they, while being at their prime, do not want to be with men who are not at their prime even men their age, then they are morons to think that men who may reach their prime at a later age would want to be with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 07:26 PM
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If that comes along, that's the plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 07:23 PM
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> EW! What the fuck?! You're calling high school girls IN THEIR PRIME? Physically, sure. What's so "ew" about that? > So he's shallow. That's the problem. It's not that all women are awful and just want good men after their prime. It's that the good women want to avoid him because he's not a good man But so is she. If she didn't date him because he had pimples and braces, then she's more shallow than he ever was. > In other words, he wants a bimbo and then wonders why he's surrounded by bimbos A…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 02:32 PM
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What the fuck is emotional support? Men only have themselves to depend on. No one cares. Not your girlfriend, not your wife, no one. People will support you only from a logical point of view, which is not in the same way that people support women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 02:21 PM
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But that's the issue isn't it? Look, when he was going through that "awkward voice cracks, had braces and pimples", he probably wasn't at his best. He wasn't at his prime. You were. You didn't want him when he wasn't at his prime, and you were at yours. Then you both "matured", and you've gone past your prime, physically. We aren't talking about emotional growth, no one cares about your personality in the ways that you think they do. Men are visual beings, they want young beautiful women, first …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 02:18 PM
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Lol, this question made me laugh. It's a fair question though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 02:06 PM
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Because it isn't about becoming a team together for women. Women have been given the upper hand in a relationship either through natural or social means or through regulatory means. To a woman, it's always been about "winning" or "losing", it's just now, she's always winning because the game is rigged in her favour. She takes no risk of approach, she gets to choose to abort, and if she's unhappy in a relationship, she gets a free house, the kids, and annuity from the guy she claimed to love, cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 02:02 PM
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No normal person WANTS to do that, but the fact us, in the modern world, you are either the person doing that, or the person having that done to you. And when you are a guy, when that shit gets done to you, it's much worse than it is when you are a woman. A woman feels some emotional pain, some dread, whatever, she doesn't like it, she can divorce you and the courts will ensure she doesn't lose much. As a guy, you will feel the same emotional pain, the same dread, except if you want out, the cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 01:55 PM
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what do you think is going to happen when all of society has conditioned people to think that raising kids is a woman’s job It isn't society that are conditioning people that it's the mother's job, it's women that are pushing the idea that women are naturally inclined for things like motherhood. It's not all that different from you. You seem to think that it's natural that women have the maturity and ability to sacrifice enough to build a LTR. Women have this idea that women are better suited to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:04 AM
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> I’m saying the concept of THE RED PILL and its relationship stratagems is selfish, deceptive, hypocritical and all about pleasing yourself 100% of the time And you won't find a RP man who argues with you. But the red pill is a response to the modern woman. It's a reaction to the actions of the modern woman. It's a reflection of the modern woman. If TRP is all of those things, which it is, then it is that way because the modern woman's strategems is selfish, deceptive, hypocritical and all abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 11:30 PM
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It's ideal for them because of the way that women push for the dating world to be. Men are expected to approach, women are expected to choose. Women want it that way, not men. Most men would rather that both men and women approach evenly, share the burden of both approach and choice evenly, but women don't want to approach. Because men are expected to approach, sex ends up being the statistical measure of the success of the approach. Therefore, for men, a high n-count simply translates to them b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 10:00 PM
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Meh, once a month for anal is kinda pushing it, once every calendar quarter seems more reasonable, don't ya think? "oh, it's october 1's, time for our Q4 anal, baby, you ready?". But, I mean yeah. If a guy has a prenup that adequately protects him, then he can and should cheat if he is unhappy with how much effort she is putting into any part of the relationship, including her not initiating. We don't live in a world of gender roles man, it's not the man's job to do anything, it's his job to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 09:09 PM
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If your husband is pro marriage, as in, he would tell other men to get married, then your husband is completely ignorant of the modern world. He might be happy in his marriage, which is great for him, but just becuase he is happy, doesn't meant that other men will find happiness in marriage. And that is the reason why the average man is against marriage. Not that it's impossible for a man to be happy in a marriage, rather, that the risks that come with marriage, when compared with the rewards th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:38 PM
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We aren't talking about me. We are talking about the causes of lack of sex in marriage and how those causes can be traced to the changes in expectations from both men and women within the marriage due to the change in external social views. The expectations of women in a marriage are changing. Women are being expected to initiate more, whether they like it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:27 PM
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Of course you are pro marriage, you're a woman. RP isn't about the idea that men can fuck around in their 20's and end up marrying a virgin, at all. Have you ever read TRP? I gotta be honest, I haven't read it in a while, so their viewpoints may have changed in the last 2-3 months, but TRP is about discussing ways for men to obtain sex easily from women, while giving the least commitment from their side, BECAUSE the modern woman is nothing like the kind of woman that they want (low n-count, dece…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 07:49 PM
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> If you want sex from a woman, you're more than likely going to be the one doing most of the initiating. Look dude, we are living in a different world. In a marriage, if a woman doesn't initiate, and the husband doesn't want to initiate constantly, then he'll initiate with another woman. > Feel free to express your rationale to her, or any woman here, and see where it gets you. I'm betting it gets you to you're jerking off again fun land. I don't need to express the rationale to anyone, it's pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 07:43 PM
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Right, so in reality, a problem that no one discusses is the lack of reciprocity from women. Point is, if a woman complains that her guy doesn't do that stuff, the first question that people should be asking her is if she does any of it. If the answer is "no", then we know the most probable cause of the lack of sex: lack of reciprocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 07:05 PM
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Sure he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:28 PM
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It's just always funny how many women actually believe that. It's not impossible, just not probable unless he has a low labido. Even in relationships where couples have sex 2-3 time a day, it rarely happens every day, every week, for an extended period of time. And some weeks, having sex once a day for a guy is okay, but other weeks it isn't. When it isn't possible to have sex when he wants, most guys jerk off. In other words, it's very rare for a man to get his sexual desires fulfilled to the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:22 PM
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"never masturbates". Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:09 PM
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Did you every ask your mutual friend if she does any of those things for him? In most circumstances that I've seen where the guy doesn't initiate, it's primarily a result of the woman not initiating either. Basically the mentality isn't "i've locked her down, mission accomplished", rather it's "I'm tried of always doing the work, I have enough on my plate without having to act like a dog begging for a treat". Men don't enjoy doing those things because they are rarely on the receiving end of thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:07 PM
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I hate making low quality posts, but honestly your question can be answered with This one video, starting at 2:55. The video isn't about politics or RP/BP or any of that, it' s just a comedy skit, which happens to be pretty spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 05:57 PM
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The change is not the problem, the problem is the unnatural intervention from government regulations and social viewpoints within the "beta bucks" and "alpha fucks" ideas. You are right, it is normal for people to change, however, when that change is unevenly supported by an unnatural force , then you have a problem that people absolutely should be angry about. Let me explain it with an example. A woman can choose to ride the carousal in her 20's and settle down with a beta in her late 30's, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 05:51 PM
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They don't have to pick one. They can want a combination or both. It's like saying "do women want to ride the carousal or do they want to get married, pick 1 ladies". TRP isn't about defining what men want, it's about determining what men can get, and how to take advantage of the modern relationship. One RP man may want a low n-count traditional wife, but he clearly sees that he's not going to get it. So TRP tells him that he needs to change his mentality. He isn't going to get what he wants, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 05:32 PM
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From what I see, it depends heavily on where you live. I'm about 30 minutes from a huge city, I work there. My father is another 45 minutes away from the city in an area that's very rural. I meet women in the city, women just outside the city, and women about an hour and 15 minutes away from the city, and I have yet to meet a woman living in the city that doesn't tick every box you mentioned. Where I live, 30 minutes away from the city, it's a 75/25 ratio, at least based on the women I met. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 05:18 PM
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Wait, there's a difference between a sex worker and the modern woman? come on now, who are we kidding?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 04:48 AM
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It's not your job to change someone's life. As a man, no one looks out for you, no one cares about you. You are truly disposable. You might be the most moral guy on the planet, but the world still sees you as a "potential rapist" and "potential pedophile", the world still calls you "toxic". That's what you are, that's all you are, so, I mean, if that is already what you are to the world, then use that to your advantage. Do what works to get what you want. > Our society puts an emphasis on sex an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 04:29 AM
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Morality only has a leg to stand on when everyone considers it. Truth is, we live in a world where women don't need to consider morality. THink about divorce rape, or paternity fraud. Moral or not, women seem to have no issues with taking custody of children and seem to be okay with "shared custody" where the children live with the her. In a world where morality is an ideal that no one cares about, if you, as an individual, care about it, you'll end up with nothing. Selfishness is okay, being sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 04:17 AM
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> If you expect a girl to like you, you need to show that you RESPECT her while you hold your own. You see, this is the problem with women. You think you can demand respect. You can't. I know you think you can, but you really really can't. Respect is earned. if you want to be respected, YOU need to earn it. It's not a choice, it's just a fact, men (and women for that matter) do not give out respect. People need to earn it. > I’m not going to enjoy my life less because other people struggle to ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 03:44 AM
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You know what this is like saying? This is like saying "women's ability to get pregnant is the cause of sexism in hiring". That's obvious, and yes, maybe men can choose to not be so thirsty, like women having the ability to choose to not get pregnant, but at the end of the day, society decided that we all had a responsibility to remove the disadvantage for women caused by biology in the workplace, but has left men on their own when it comes to the disadvantage that men face caused by biology. Ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 01:26 PM
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It really depends on how you look at it. Biologically speaking, both genders were meant to be disposable. It isn't a "men only" kinda thing, and in fact, women are biologically more disposable than men. Think about it, a man can fuck a woman, dispose of her, and move on to fuck the next woman, or if no one wnats to fuck him, then to rape another woman. Naturally speaking, women are the disposable ones, and nature made them disposable by making them the physically weaker sex. It's human interfere…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 12:00 AM
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No, children do not result from women's bodies alone-- men are fundamentally required for the creation and birth of a child Are embryos lifeless things or are they children? Which is it? Make up your mind. Children are result of women's bodies alone, if they weren't, men would have the right to force women to abort. If you are making the argument that the sperm remains the man's after he comes insider her, then by thar virtue, he should have the right to destroy the sperm even when its inside he…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 04:17 PM
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The existence of life is contingent on a person's choice to abort or not. Fact is, if men arent involved in the choice to abort, then it isnt men who are choosing to create the living breathing children. Your right, there is no right to not take responsibility for a child you created, but by your own logic, men didnt create the children, women did. So by your own logic, men have 0 responsibility to the child. Either the child is created at conception (ie. "You chose to cum in her"), or its creat…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 03:05 PM
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50, 100, 500 years ago men were being forced by governments to pay women for a choice that women made, which is to not abort. What's so astonishing about a person saying "if you want me to share equal responsibility, the give me the right to choose equally as women". I find it funny that women have have a hard time understanding this considering its feminism that has used this argument time and time again.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 01:42 PM
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If courts didn't give the house to the mother, maybe father's would be able to afford to live in that nice "family" neighborhood that the mother lives in.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 05:32 AM
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Whoever told you that all a man has to do to get shared custody is "ask for it" lied to you. A man can get visitation rights if he "asks for it", but he won't get shared custody. Shared custody often requires the man to take on an uphill battle against an inherently bias system. Just consider this, the mother automatically gets custody of the children. The first option a man has is to "negotiate". But why is HE the one negotiating? I thought he was the father. Shouldn't he have equal rights to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 05:30 AM
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It's not their kid. If it was their kid, they would have equal rights to the child at every point of it's existence. They would be able to abort at the same time that women can. No rights for fathers means no responsibilities for fathers. Centuries ago, when men did skip out on their kids, they were scumbags. Because at that time, things were relatively equal. Women didn't have a safe way to abort. Now women do. And that ability has completely turned the idea of men leaving their kids on it's he…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 05:18 AM
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No, they aren't. They know the costs of fighting for custody, the likelihood that they will get physical custody of their kids, and the probability that they will even get anything at all. Hell, I've been in those meetings with divorce lawyers, and the lawyer will tell you that upfront. I've heard many, and I mean MANY lawyers say to men "you are better off taking the biweekly visitation that you are being given. If you want to fight it, we can, but you're looking at thousands of dollars and yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 05:11 AM
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You really think women are financially independent? Think about where your taxes go. To schools for children that aren't yours. They go towards government programs that support only women. They go to fund maternity leaves. Women aren't independent, they aren't able to provide for themselves at all, women still, to this day, depend HEAVILY on men. It's just, where in the past men could choose which woman to spend their resources on, we now live in a society that steals money from men and realloca…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 05:04 AM
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But women also get the house in the case of a divorce, they get the kids in the overwhelming majority of the time. Fact is, women aren't doing that for men, they are doing that as their cost of being privileged to being given the kids and a house in a divorce. You know what men are doing while women are doing this "invisible labour"? ACTUAL LABOUR. At actual jobs, earning actual money. Those same statistics that say that women do more housework and child care say that men work longer hours than …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 04:54 AM
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> men just don't even notice it bc they're so accustomed to taking it for granted It's never been a matter of being "accustomed", it's been a matter of, the woman not actually doing it for the man. She thinks she's doing something for him, but really, he doesn't care about the things she's doing, and she's the only one who cares, but she thinks that he SHOULD care, and mistakes THAT for him be accustomed to it. I've had girlfriends who thought I "took it for granted" that they cooked. And I kept…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 04:47 AM
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> I'm in for 9 months of awful pregnancy shit and years of feeding and changing diapers Or, you get an abortion, and you'r risk is about as low as the guy's. But the truth is, that's aright, because while he's dancing for you, he's probably dancing for another chicken nugget too. And when you do invest, guess what? He probably won't invest in you because YOU didn't dance enough for HIM. So, while you are sitting there, thinking he loves you and he's crazy about you, he's probably fucking a coupl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 03:51 AM
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It depends on the age. I mean, I imagine 3 by 25 makes sense, 5 by 30. I just see it as "is her n-count what it is because she was giving it out cheap, or is it what it is because it wasn't cheap, but the relationships didn't work out". Having 3 failed relationships by 25 makes sense, everyone is new at relationships, and things don't work out. By 30, it should go down. It's not so much about infidelity for me, it's just about how she values herself, and how, more specifically, how she thinks I …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 09:27 PM
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It's because guys are forced to give women everything. Think about it, think about what a guy is and what he provides. He studies and works his whole life to get to a point where he not only makes enough money to support himself, but also to support a family. Dont forget, women still marry up not down. What a guy wants when he marries is, he wants a family, he wants kids. Now the law forces men to give women everything, it forces him to continue to pay her even after the relationship ends. In th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 04:44 PM
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I specifically asked you to name OTHER religions Last I read, Hinduism had very similar viewpoints. So I guess I should take it that you cannot name that single time and place in the whole history of mankind? I told you to look up concepts of virginity throughout time. Any period of time. Renassaince, industrial, medieval, hell, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find evidence of the value of virginity to dinosaurs in the Jurassic and triassic periods.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 09:08 PM
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Do your own research. I'll get you started, buddhism expects monks and nuns to refrain from sexual activity. But, since you brought it up, please let me know how prominent taoism or shinto is relative to christianity, Islam, Judaism and hinduism I'm curious. I'm asking you to name any one point of history that does so You tried your best to research on your own, really? You couldn't find anything anywhere about how valued virgins were throughout history? How men preferred to marry virgins. Nowhe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 08:51 PM
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And your analysis is to take a single religion, figure it's man-made therefore all its views correspond to mens deepest desires, and then kinda just assert without analysis that virgins = better. Take any of the prominent religions. They all have similar viewpoints on virginity. I never said virgins = better, I said men value low n-count women for relationships. I never said anything about virginity related to women's objective value as a human being. But, hold up a second so, let me get this st…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 08:26 PM
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I'm just gonna pass it as irrelevant, on We arent talking about food or anything else, we arent even talking about sex, we are talking about how men view virginity, and arbitrarily deciding that religion is irrelevent is extremely childish on your part (especially considering you were ready to jump at ancient Roman culture when you thought it supported your view). Religion is a set of rules and ideals set by men, and in most circumstances, it reflected the natural viewpoints of men. The idea tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 07:44 PM
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Yes. Divorce seems like a thing you'd do before re-marrying. Ancient Greece, it was basically non-issue, no one cared. What? You can get divorced without needing to remarr, you always could. divorce and marriage are two very different things. And what you are talking about in regards to marriage being that liberal came much later in roman history, early on, divorce was not that easy since, as I mentioned, men had full control over their wives and children. And did you just happened to gloss over…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 06:46 PM
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How do you know? I just told you. Think about religion as the most relatable example. If we both agree religion is man-made and not divine, then you can see that, when men arent brainwashed, one of the most prominent concepts when it comes to relationships for them is virginity. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism and many more religions discuss the importance of virginity, specifically from the woman. Ancient Greece has on their wikipedia page "divorce being basically non-issue", ancient rom…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 05:36 PM
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Not necessarily. It's just that every auxiliary thing about dating that you can smoothen with money, well, you can smoothen with money. Want a particular kind of room to spend time with each other? Money solves that. Transportation between places of interest? Money. Any auxiliary experiences like, going to some high end restaurant, going to some place with awesome view, doing something like riding fast with a boat or flying a plane, you can conjure by money. Which is why it makes you more attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 04:59 PM
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Is there an aspect in life in which people making 6 figures are not playing on easy mode? So, in other words, men who make 6 figures are more attractive to women, and women rarely admit that since, as I previously said and you just concluded, it would be the same as admitting "water is wet". So how do you know? Where did you gain this insight into male psyche without even asking men if they agree with you? I dont have to ask. I've known hundreds of men, been close friends with many of them, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 04:05 PM
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In about half the couples I know, female partner makes more. Look, if you are going to use anecdotal evidence a d try to pass that off as some sort of fact, this discussion is pointless. I can simply say that in every couple I know, the man makes more (which is true). Fact is, in the modern household, men are still primarily the breadwinners. Fact is, men who make 6 figures have an easier time in the SMP, what you experience is irrelevant. Also isn't the big TRP thing how money doesn't make you …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 03:13 PM
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I wouldn't speak to women then. Seems quite straightforward. But now you are moving the goal post. This statement of yours admits that the cost of the drugs is the price for the woman, you are just that you wouldn't pay that price. That's fine, but there are other men that will, and those men will have a proce of their own. In other words, those men will buy her the drugs, but, if she refuses to, I dunno, buy him a car, then they will leave her after taking the minimum they want from her as comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 12:44 PM
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> It does sound a bit unhealthy but given that every people have their own agreed-upon dynamics, it might be something that works for them. People don't agree on anything. Women seem to think they can dictate, and men simply have to do. Then when men have preferences that women can't dictate on them such as "having a low n-count", women say things like "why does it matter". ​ What difference does it make why it matters? Go ask women why does balding matter to a woman? Why does height matter to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 11:19 AM
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You said "hi".....on tinder. Well, I mean, if you are going to lie, at least make the lie realistic. > Would it make your two's tag experience worse if you knew he had played tag with other people too? Is he "used up" tag partner? Or would you consider it all quite irrelevant as long as you're enjoying playing tag together? That would depend. If that friend of yours always expects you to call, always expected you to set up the times to play tag, and to, say, find and reserve places to play tag, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 10:51 AM
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Yeah, I bought my first condo at 24. I didn't even see it, my dad was so proud I could afford a condo that he seemed like he was into it more than I was, so I told him "money's in that account, go find a condo you think I'd like, use that money for the down payment, let me know when the meeting with the lawyer is so I can read the documents and sign". First time I saw it was after the documents were signed. My friends were all like "oh man, must be great owning your own place!", they thought it …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 05:14 AM
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It's a metaphor. I know those are hard to understand for you. But, did you appraoch your partner the first time or did she approach you? Did you plan the first date or did she plan it? Did you pay for the first date or did she? These are common things that men are tasked with doing in order to start a obtain sex/relationship. In other words, if sex/relationships was an object, then those actions are the price men pay to buy that object. But sex/relationships isn't an object, it's an event. And t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 04:57 AM
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Women are never going to get that because exclusivity is all men have to bargain with. It's like sex for women. Women think that if they give it up fast, they won't get commitment. FOr men, giving up exclusivity fast means they won't get what they really want. And men, generally, know what they want. They just don't see the need to tell women what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 04:52 AM
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Everyone has their thing. Some people can drink heavily for a few weekends, and just stop drinking all together for as long as they need to. Others can smoke a 3 packs of cigarettes a week for 3 weeks then never touch the stuff again. I think, at some level, humans are realizing that there is something missing in our lives. We weren't created to be so, well, docile. So complacent. We weren't made for a world of safety, a world of repetition, a world with so many choices. At least, I don't think …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 04:49 AM
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Again, all you talk about is the womans perspective. You are taking a very feminine view of "well the guy asked me out, it's his job to deal with his feelings in a way that I expect him to because I want him to be my friend". I've said this over and over and over, friendships end for many reasons. Sometimes they just end without any sort of trigger at all. People change, their feeling change. If his feelings evolve beyond wanting a friendship, and she tells him he isnt going to get it, he can an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 01:21 PM
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Have you read TRP? From my understanding, AWALT basically is about NOT blaming women. That's why the anger phase is step 1, So you can realize you are angry, accept that that is just the way things are, and move on. You're focusing your disagreement with TRP on the wrong ideologies. It isn't AWALT that you should disagree with. Whether AWALT is true or not is irrelevant, it's simply a way for the men in the RP to understand the truth and move on. As I said to you before, anomalies are not the no…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 10:15 PM
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TRP is about men not about women. It's about what men need to do to get what they want while giving women the minimum. Single moms are are not desirable. Even from a logical point of view, single moms are a waste of time and effort for men. Short men being undesirable doesnt come from men, it comes from women. The overwhelming majority of women out there will say that they want a guy taller then them, those are the woman that "dont care about height". A lot of women will say they want a guy who …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 09:52 PM
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Sure, but you are misunderstanding what TRP says or what the a statistical stratum is. It doesnt influence the population, it just breaks them up based on pre-existing characteristics. No one is assuming anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 06:55 PM
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The relationship was over the minute she cheated. Theres no coming back from that for any reasonable human being with a basic level of dignity and self-respect. And I can show you many, look up the men who were or are victims of paternity fraud. The relationship was over when she cheated, she lied to him and kept him around because she needed a sucker to pay for her and her child.Society doesnt punish her for it, it barely admits she did anything wrong. So why should men behave any less selfishl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 03:11 PM
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if the man is coming home to the woman, the relationship is not yet over To the man, that's not true. You can thank divorce and common law laws for that. There is a distinction between when the relationship is spiritually over when it's over. I'm okay with being called selfish. Most men who cheat are. They all know how people view cheating, but the truth is, being called selfish for cheating isnt any different than women being called selfish for committing paternity fraud, or for the myriad of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 02:59 PM
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I worded my statement poorly. My main point was that not being cheated on isn't even pr9vable as 100% true It not being provable doesnt mean it isnt a benefit. A man cant prove that his child is actually his, doesnt stop society from saying he benefited from the existence of the child and force burdens on him even when the child isnt his. Is this really why men cheat anyway? If so, why do TRP men even complain that more women initiate breakups than men? Guys cheat on their wives for a great deal…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 01:31 PM
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We are all men on the internet, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 12:53 PM
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Not being cheated on is hardly even provable as a positive. If given the choice, would you rather be cheated 9n or not? No? Then that's your proof that it's a positive. If you can't date or compliment your lover, maybe you shouldn't be in a relationship. And yet, women rarely ask their lovers out on a date, they rarely plan a date. They dont initiate sex anywhere near as often as men do. You have a man literally lying about where he dips his wick, but the woman is supposed to somehow magically k…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 12:32 PM
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No, the logic is that the baker was not providing good cake every time he was asked. As I said in the analogy, as an example, it's not that the customer couldn't find cake somewhere else, it's that' finding it requires a significant amount of work and effort. Other bakers had cake, but they refused to sell it to them for whatever reason. > And yet men still cheat when sex is plentiful and good. According to whom? Don't forget, "plentiful" and "good" are subjective, not objective. once a week may…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 11:26 AM
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Intent isn't meaningless because it lets you understand where other people are coming from. It doesn't matter where others are coming from in this case. YOu don't care about how the other person feels because they just told you that they don't care about how you feel . Do you seriously think the feelings a woman develops for a platonic friend are anywhere near as weak as the superficial fancies she'd have for some rando in a club? You misunderstood what I said. I said that from a woman's perspec…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 04:31 AM
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anytime.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 03:49 AM
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Men don't need to be coddled, but they shouldn't be burdened the responsibilities of women's choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 03:47 AM
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Let me ask you something, honestly, lets say you've been told that, gee I don't know, cake is the best dessert on the planet your whole life. You've never eaten cake, but lets say, you've spent months or years trying to find a recipe or a bakery that sells cake. You've driven from state to state, flown from country to country, you've taken with you thousands of dollars, offered bakers thousands of dollars just for 1 slice of cake. And bakers have consistently told you, we refuse to sell YOU cake…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 03:42 AM
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Let me ask you something, have you ever studied some basics of statistical analysis? I'm not the expert, i use statistics in my job, and I've studied it in some depth, and here's what I know If you want to understand a population of something, anything, you don't go through every individual item. You can't, it's too time consuming, it's too unrealistic. You group them up based on characteristics, you then analyse the groups taking into account the probability, likelihood and pervasiveness of err…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 03:24 AM
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What you feel isn't always what the other person intended (and very rarely is in the case of rejections) and you know the number of rejections has nothing to do with this. Intent is meaningless. You aren't responsible for what people intend, what matters is what actually happens and how those events make you feel .And the number of rejections does have something to do with this, of course it does, what do you mean? For a woman, it doesn't, because she thinks "oh, no problem, he doesn't like me, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 10:38 PM
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You dont see how it would stick out? What do you mean? Do you blame women for men who were perfectly normal before marriage, then they start beating their wives after marriage? How is this any different? Visible or not, clear or not, just like a woman isnt held responsible for not seeing that her husband was a beater before marrying him, men are not responsible for not seeing their wives as the type to commit paternity fraud before marriage. The difference is, society blames men for that and for…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 12:42 PM
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Yeah, the shit men put up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 01:01 PM
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What's fucked up?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 12:52 PM
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> What kind of fucked up childhood did YOU have where you were told that not having your feelings reciprocated meant that that person told you that you weren't worth something? Ah, there you go again, a woman, trying to dictate to men how a man SHOULD feel, clearly, because you, as a woman, have been rejected as often as the average guy gets rejected. This is like me, as a guy, telling you "hey, you shouldn't scream when you are giving birth, it's not THAT painful!" You don't have any idea of wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 11:24 AM
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She can't protect herself from that. This is men's disgusting reaction to women's disgusting actions. Can't really discourage men from behaving this way. Truthfully, most men aren't with women because they like her personality. She's tolerable, sure, but the truth is, many, if not most, guys in relationships, don't think of their "SO" in the same way that they think they could have ever felt about that one friend they developed feelings for and got turned down when he confronted her. The only re…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 12:58 AM
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What kind of fucked up childhood did you have where you were told that only sociopaths don't freak out at rejection? What kind of a fucked up childhood did YOU have where you were told that it's okay to not have a reaction when people tell you your not worth something. It's about the exclusivity of a relationship It's about a relationship. It's about a guy that developed real feelings for someone, not superficial feelings about looks or money or whatever, it's something real. As I said, it's fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 05:37 PM
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I'm sorry to tell you, but an anecdote is worth less than the ranting in PPD. But again, that's exactly what you are saying, "my husband is like this, so all men are like this". > Why does he want to have the BBQ? Because BBQ's are awesome and men have them whenever they can? It isn't about the marriage, it isn't about pretending like some magical thing happened, because it didn't. A marriage for the average guy is just a checkbox. Like graduating from university, or finding a job or getting a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 06:01 AM
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> You see insults that aren't there and assume attraction is just something people can turn on and off at will. As I said, you'd have to be a complete sociopath to not take it the way the average guy takes it. It's like if you ask a person you thought was your friend to go for dinner and he goes like "pfft, I wouldn't be caught dead being seen in public with a loser like you. But, you'r an awesome guy though". If you want to talk about what that rejection communicates to the guy, that's what it …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 05:34 AM
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Which is why I said I'm a mixture of 5 and 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 04:32 AM
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How do you know this? How do you know they were using the friendship as a means to an end? I've never met a guy who said that or did that. Every guy alive has developed feelings for a friend. Every guy alive has discussed those feelings and every guy alive has been rejected. Women make the assumption that guys were only friends with them to get them in bed because the guys stop being freinds with them afterwards, but that's all that is, an assumption. Fact is, why would I want spend time with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 03:47 AM
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Don't start talking about you and your husband. No one here knows your husband, and it's just a very feminine way of saying "well my husband is like this so all men are like this, and no matter what you say, my husband is like this because he is right here and telling me this is what he thinks, and because HE thinks like this, then all men think like this". Fact is, the average man would rather do a courthouse wedding, have a barbeque afterwards with family and freinds and celebrate for under 2k…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 03:21 AM
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That's what they say, but if they actually had a courthouse wedding, they'd throw it in the guy's face over and over again until he has enough and goes to buy a pack of cigarettes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 03:18 AM
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Men are antagonized for developing an attraction to women over time based on anything other than looks. You know the nice guy^TM that women so often point and laugh at? Or the guys that women so often friendzone? Well they probably developed that attraction through time, by getting to know her. So men are antagonized for building attraction for women on anything besides looks. Can they? Yes. Do they? some do, and they get burned for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 01:59 AM
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I'm a mixture of #3 and #5. Here's the thing, it's not on society as a whole to solve the problem, what is on society as a whole, is to stop treating women like children. Women have fought to be treated like adults, and the only people that are now fighting to treat women like children, are women. The disadvantagous and difficulties that men face in the SMP isn't because each individual woman has high standards or anything like that, the solution isn't to force women to have sex with men, the so…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 01:56 AM
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Didn't you just answer your own question? Look, think of it like this, lets say you have 2 100lb bags that you need to carry for 2 km without dropping them. If I told you you only had 1 hour to walk 1 of those bags somewhere that was 2 km away, well, that probably won't be a big problem. You can probably do that. If I told you, you have 1 hour to get both bags somewhere that was 2 km away, well, all of a sudden, that's a much harder thing to do. You could try to carry both, but you'll probably f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 10:15 PM
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Men aren't advocating for men's rights to abandon their kids. Men fight for the right for men to choose parenthood at the same period of time that women can choose parenthood. There's a difference. The difference is, if I choose to financially abort, I'm not abandoning a child any more than if a woman chooses to physically abort her child is choosing to abandon hers. If I'm choosing to paper abort a child, I"m not abandoning any more than me choosing to not support a child starving to death in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 01:37 PM
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That human can be taken care of by the people that had the choice to abort it. That's what I'm saying. Give men the ability to abort, so that forcing the responsibility on them would be fair. If you don't give them that right, and if, in fact, you deny them that right, a right which was already given to them by nature, then there's no reason to give women any rights that nature didn't give them. We'd be hypocrites. And that's why biological arguments are invalid, because if they were only valid …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 01:51 AM
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You asked the question, now you don't want to discuss it? Why should men fight for preventative measures? Men are being denied their biological advantage but women are not being denied theirs. There is an inherent inequality in the law and in our society. Saying "why don't men fight for preventative measures" is like saying "why aren't women starting their own corporations and electing their own board of directors instead of fighting for gender quotas in the BOD". And yet, in at least one state,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 01:25 AM
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Men try, but they are up against two behemoths; feminism and politicians. When feminism lobbied, it was only up against politicians. There was a large portion of the male population, who did want their mothers, daughters and sisters to be able to get an education, to be able to work and support themselves, to have rights, and be protected. Those were the guys that helped women and feminism succeed. There aren't anywhere near as many women who would support men in a fight against paternity fraud …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 01:17 AM
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Trust, like everything else in life, is limited by risk. There is no such thing as unconditional trust. Society has pushed up the risk of trusting a woman in this regard, to a level so high, that it's stupid for a man to trust the woman he marries in this regard. It's like, if I told you that I'm going to get a machine to randomly select a number between 1-100, 3 times. If it selects, any number other than 5 all three times, you get $1000. If it selects 5 even once, you pay $5. Would you care? n…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 01:10 AM
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But, there was no signature of anything. The man made the exact same decision as the woman did, and that decision was to have sex. The responsbilities for men are significantly higher than they are for women for that decision. And that is an inequality between the genders that women refuse to acknowledge or deal with. IN reality, it's more like, going skydiving with another person, both people signing the same non disclosure clause, and both parachuting malfunction, except, you find out that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 12:55 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 01:28 PM
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Young males lie because they have to. They'll tell you what you want to hear to get you in bed. If your standards were reasonable, they wouldn't have to lie. In other words, the lies that men tell to women are lies that women conditioned men to tell. Women were never conditioned by men to lie, they just do it out of their own volition.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 05:42 AM
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Because a good prostitute that doesn't have std's can cost up to 2k a night? Whereas a woman's usually gets her dinner paid for before she gets sex. Also, because of the morality of it. 14 billion dollars is very low, it shows you how the overwhelming majority of men out there understand that prostitution promotes human trafficking and slavery, and that they would rather live miserably, accepting rejection after rejection after rejction, as opposed to encouraging an industry that forces women to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 05:33 AM
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No, the reason that the "teacher phenomenon" is popularized isn't because it's so rare, it's because of the "women are wonder" effect. They report it in a way that outlines that not ALL teachers are like that, not ALL female police officers or whatever are like that. Just like men's "men are pieces of shit" effect, where the media uses the actions of one man as a representation of the gender. The next time you read something where a woman does something horrible, pay attention to the words used,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 05:03 AM
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How can she prove it? Well, I would say when we talk about marriage or co-habitation, the first thing she says is "I won't marry you or live with you without a pre-nup or a co-habitation agreement, I want to make sure that if something happens, what's yours is yours, and what's mine is mine". Simple. SHE should be the one suggesting to do things to show me she doesn't think of me as someone to just get resources from. Say she gets pregnant, maybe she's the one that says "hey, do you want to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 11:56 PM
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Men aren't sitting there anticipating sexual release, trust me. If you make him work for it, the average men will just go see a hooker and not tell you about it. or he'll cheat. The reason why using sex as a bargaining chip or as a manipulation tactic is a golden rule is because by doing so, you are giving him permission to cheat you. That's basically it. Whether you like it or not, if you aren't going to give it to him, he's going to get it from someone else. Most of the time, you won't even kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 11:50 PM
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Financial abortion is a compromise of equality of opportunity for actual abortion. Women can abort, men agree that it isn't right to force someone to go through a medical procedure if they don't want to ,so they compromise by saying that they want financial abortion, where the father has the choice to want nothing to do with the child and not be responsible for the child in any way shape or form. Most of these men will also say that if the father changes his mind after choosing to financially ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 11:31 PM
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You sound like a woman, you've gotta be. No guy would ask this. The reason why men stay in the relationships because doing some boring things and getting sex is better than going back to the shitshow that is the SMP, where men have to do stupid things and get nothing in return nine times out of ten. The SMP is more effort for men than dealing with the frustrations of being with someone you find boring. Whether these guys know it or not, they are only putting up with these women because the amoun…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 03:44 AM
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Oh, another "women are victims of men" bs. Look, the overwhelming majority of women who aren't those things are not attractive. Lying to you and telling you you are won't make you have sex with more men. Brainwashing little boys to find 35 year old hags who need to go to special stores to find clothes that fit them attractive won't make young women sleep with more men. There is no relationship between those two. If you don't feel sexy, that's because you aren't. What men think of you isn't going…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 03:32 AM
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I don't know a single woman who wants to talk make-up or about going to the club. With that said, I also have met maybe 1 woman who wasn't boring. I mean, I've met a lot of women,I've been friends with a bunch of em, and women are just, well, boring. I'm not going to get into specifics as to what makes them boring, because when and if I did, your response or the women on this sub would say things like "well, not all women are like that" or "well, those are just the women you met". Fact is, a lar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 03:10 AM
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Just like women dont hold themselves responsible for mens effort to form the relationship, men dont hold themselves responsible for women's orgasms. Men have alternatives to women, prostitutes, porn, whatever. Most men will use those options when they get sick enough of giving and not getting. Men approach and plan/finance dates often times without getting anything in return. So the hypocrisy is you expect men to do that, but you refuse to do the equivalency when it's your turn. Like I said, mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 02:53 PM
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No because women dont know how to make a man feel good. They've never been in a position where they had to make an effort. Most women think they are making an effort when they their effort is just a bare minimum. The most effort that women make is equivalent to the effort it takes a man to jackhammer. What, you think a blowjob or a hand job is effort? What a joke. Women dont make the effort in the approach, they dont make an effort in planning the date ot financing the date, yet all of a sudden,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 02:31 PM
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Because we arent talking about you. I dont care about how you think you treat your partners, every woman will say shes a little saint that treats her man like they are special. That's not usually the case, but I'm sure you're a special little snowflake. We are talking about db, and situations where men choose porn over their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 02:22 PM
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Mens pleasure expectation extends to sex, sex =sexual pleasure for men. as you said, men arent entitled to sex. When you say that its equivalent to men saying women arent entitled to an orgasm. Sex ends whenever one person wants it to end. We are all selfish in the modern relationship, you cant expect the man to give a shit about your orgasm when you dont care about other aspects of the relationship that men may want that arent as easy for you as simply showing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 02:11 PM
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Fair isnt a part of the smp or relati9nship. If fairness is what women want, then let them discuss fairness when if comes to the approach. But the truth is, if women made themselves worth the effort, men would be more likely to give a shit about her orgasm. That's my whole point. If your guy doesnt give a shit about your orgasm, its cause you arent worth the effort. In the end, it's your responsibility to make sure you orgasm, him making an effort to help you is him going above and beyond. Just …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 02:03 PM
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Women do very little to please their partners, they think they do avlot, but compared to what men do, it's barely anything at all. And that's the whole point of this. You hold your partner responsible for your pleasure, so why is it such a surprise when men say "you know what? porn is easier". THe same logic is used by men. If he is being held responsible for your pleasure and his own pleasure, which he is, then why bother with his wife/gf. It isn't porn's fault that women are entitled and incom…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 01:09 PM
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Or their fear is that they won't be able to get her off, which is the most likely scenario, and which is a responsibility that women put on men. The pressure on those men isn't being put on by themselves, it's been put on by women. Which, as I said before, living up to that pressure is a lot of work. This is the problem with women like you, you like to think you know what men go through, what they experience just because you might have seen a guy go through it or because a guy tells you about it…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 05:16 AM
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It's an interesting conversation. I just find it funny that you chose to represent yourself with something expensive and fancy. You could have easily said anything. You could have, for example, said that sex is like cooking at home. The therapy of cutting up the food, cleaning the meat, seasoning it just to the point where it looks like that first winter snow, dusting the green grass. Getting the pan right up to the correct temperature, warming the fat, putting in the aromatics and getting that …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 04:36 AM
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Oh, I see. That's interesting, I wonder why. It's a very interesting question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 03:38 AM
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I don't know what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 03:27 AM
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Men do edging because they are attracted to the person they are with. When men are horny, they see women's bodies differently then when they just ejaculated. If the guy isn't attracted to the person he is with, he won't edge, he'll just want it done. Only wanting it for 5 mins to ejaculate and wanting it that way most or all the time is like passionless and boring, even for plenty of men. Men don't care about passion and we all know that the only kind of sex that men find boring is starfish sex,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 03:23 AM
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Women haven't' claimed autonomy over their own lives. All they have is an illusion. And the only reason why the even have that is because society reallocates money from men in order to provide women with that illusion. That's why it happened now. It could only happen now when the population of the planet or of a soceity is large enough to be able to reallocate wealth from men and force each individual man to pay for the cost of the illusion. Just think about it. The so-called "supermoms" who can…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 02:36 AM
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But it isn't the cause, not even in porn addicts. I'm telling you that AT BEST, pornography plays a part in ED, even for porn addicts. A part. It isn't the sole reason. Another factor that plays a part is unhappiness in the relationship. If a man rarely wants to go more than 5 mins and the couple end up in a dead bedroom because he'd rather always watch porn and rarely go more than 5 mins then that's his issue. But it isn't his issue. It's HER issue. If it's a choice between porn and working to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 02:04 AM
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Men orgasm waaaay easier than women on average. Wonen usually find it harder physically so of course men don't usually need anything special for that to happen. Right, and the problem is women hold men responsible for that. And often times, it's work for men, work that they don't want to do when they can just orgasm from porn. Sometimes, men just want to be done with it after 5 minutes and move on. Hell, Sometimes men just want to orgasm to help them sleep, most men I know have been there. Look,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 01:37 AM
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Why? because I said that it's a woman's fault? Look, the fact is, there are underlying issues causing men not to be able to get an erection. Just like it's easy for men to say "it's women's fault I can't get a date" it's easy for women to say "it's porn's fault he can't get an erection". It's not porn's fault, it's her fault. She's either gotten fat, or just stopped being attractive. Maybe she nags him all day long, maybe she isn't willing to do the thing he wants to do during sex. Sex shouldn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 01:28 AM
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Yeah I guess. I don't imagine this happens to a lot of guys, in fact, I remember it so well BECAUSE it was weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 01:19 AM
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I was. A few women feeling me up at bars and work places, but there was one that was most prominent. It's a long story, here goes. I worked with a pretty little blonde, she was a bit older than me, but I was never one to go for relationships with co-workers , so I didn't consider the possibility of anything happening with her anyway. She was in admin. She often gave me a look, or paid me compliments, just small stuff. Things like "oh, I like your suit/hair/cologne/whatever". One day, I was worki…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 01:11 AM
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Problem isn't porn, problem is her. She probably let herself go. It is a common issue for women who get fat. Surprise surprise, not even your starving and thirsty husband wants to fuck you if you are fat as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 12:48 AM
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It is too troublesome. To become a "cool person to talk to" takes time. To make others laugh, takes time. These aren't things people are born with, these are things they learn. And they learn by trial and error. Every guy who "got out there", was called a creep. Every guy who "got out there" was rejected a significant amount of times and felt like a piece of shit. It takes years of trial and error, years of learning how to behave, how to NOT be yourself, until you get it. And all of this has bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 12:46 AM
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Well, when you consider things like #metoo, and the way women behave, as if a guy looking in her general direction is sexual assault, who can blame them? The fact is, what society has done to men in the SMP would be equivalent to society telling women "yeah, sure you can get a job and work,, you just can't apply for it, and you can't start your own business". The problem IS women. Women pushed to tie men's hands and feet while continuing to expect them to run a marathon. You can't blame men for …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 12:36 AM
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Let me ask you something, you know how lonely you felt? That need just to talk to someone, just to be close to someone? Imagine feeling like that all the time, except imagine that you couldn't go on tinder to make yourself feel better, that you couldn't go anywhere to talk to someone. Imagine that you didn't have the option to register for an account in 5 minutes and fix that soul crushing loneliness that you felt, and I'm assuming it's soul crushing, cause, truth be told, it's kinda desperate a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 02:30 AM
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It doesn't matter what you think of them, the fact is, they are doing what makes them happy. That's what makes them happy. It's sad to you, but they are probably getting more sex than the guy who is married with kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 11:38 PM
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You can't discuss the purpose of nature in the modern world because we, as humans, have taken efforts to supersede the intentions of nature. Nature may have intended for women to be physically weak and in need of protection, but we went around that by providing all women with protection. Nature may have intended that men have the option to rape in order to procreate, but we as humans have taken steps to prevent that. The fact of the matter is, the "design" doesn't matter, we fuck around with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 11:32 PM
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Women don't pretend these things to make men feel comfortable, they pretend these things because THEY think that doing otherwise will make them unattractive to men. Which they wouldn't. It isn't men that are coddled, it's women. Women ARE told that men only want one thing, and that's why they are coddled. They think that all they have to do is juggle that one thing, and it oversimplifies their life around managing their bodies and managing their power over providing that one thing. Men, on the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 12:21 AM
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Well, maybe. I mean, we are talking a hypothetical situation where I knew for sure, like 100%, that she's never had a one night stand, a FWB, and she made her two previous boyfriend wait this long. Which, isn't realistic, no man can have that kind of guarantee. Assuming that this is somehow true, and I am provided that guarantee, it would depend. It would be on the fence for me, play it by ear kinda thing. And I'll tell you why. By allowing this situation to occur, I am setting the precedent tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 10:55 PM
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I think those guys just want acknowledgement. Honestly, I don't there there is a better analogy out there, but a woman giving advice about dating is like a fish giving advice on fishing. it's meaningless. As I said, I think those men simply want acknowledgement of a problem that exist in our society. I don't think they want to hear "you aren't entitled to sex", they already know that. I don't think they want to hear "well, every other guy could have sex, why can't you", they already know that. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 03:23 AM
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I really don't think it's that those men don't understand it, it's just, being able to get something that you don't want is always better than not being able to get something that you do want. Having a choice is always better then not having a choice. It's not that men don't empathize with unattractive women, it's that the problems of women are always used to throw aside the problems of men. If a guy is sitting there talking about his frustrations in the sexual marketplace, what's the point of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 03:15 AM
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Like, in general? Or specific to dating? I think since in men's youth, men have been raised with a, well, sort of , expectation that they know HOW to be around women. Fact is, we've been told, directly or indirectly, that we can't behave around women the way we behave around men, and we can't be ourselves. Think about the simplest thing that's communicated to every boy in one way or another: Hitting a girl is much worse than hitting a guy. You can tell him that hitting anyone is wrong, but there…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 03:10 AM
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> And so when you ask "what else do women bring to the table" and the answer is nothing but pussy, you have no right to complain bc you yourself are saying that's all that matters to you after all. What else is there that women bring that matter? Like I said, household chores don't have any value. The modern woman is a very poor companion, a very poor wife and mother, all the while, she is more expensive then women have ever been. So what does she bring OTHER than pussy. I have asked this questi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 04:53 AM
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The fact is this, lawyers have an interest in encouraging men to fight in a divorce. The more men that fight it, the more money that lawyers get. But, the truth is, you can look up the stats yourself. In the overwhelming majority of cases, women get custody of the children. I think in the US, it's 57%, and for the remaining 43%or something, it's shared custody. We all know the "do what's best for the child" mantra. And under that mantra, depending on where you live, the woman will get the family…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 04:18 AM
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Well, the problem is, from a man's perspective, he's required to put in significant effort before even getting in a relationship without any promise that he'll get anything back. For the average man, it takes dozens of tries before he actually gets something back. Essentially, because the expectation from women is that men approach, each failed attempt at a relationship accumulates into higher expectations of return from the woman who the man ends up being in a relationship with. In the overwhel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 03:44 AM
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men never had empthy nor sympathy for the women Oh, the irony. Thanks for the laugh, your stupidity has truly been amusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 12:04 AM
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and I look around and see women hiring other women and mentoring them because men in power abuse their position and cant/wont keep it in their pants Okay there, buttercup. oh we will deal with it on our own, it is not as if men ever cared enough to punish rapists and abusers hence the pandemic of femicide worldwide What are you gunna do? complain and bitch until men fix it for you. That's about all that women have ever done. Never actually did anything real to solve a problem, just bitched and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 11:51 PM
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your anecdotal data vs mine. neither proves anything. It's not my anecdotal data. Look around you, women only got hired and only got accepted in the workplace when the government forced organizations to hire them. Nobody wants to hire women, they do it because they are forced to. if half the population wants you raped and/or killed, yes. if half the population doesn't wanna touch your fee fee then it's not. forced interactions < personal integrity. Who said anything about half the population wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 11:33 PM
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LIke you said, it isn't a possible relationship dynamic, but assuming that the law also treats both parties with real equality in all respects, then yeah, of course. The only point I disagree with is "realizing that things will be 60/40 or 30/70 depending on circumstance", as obviously, this is not the definition of "true equalism". If you have even one situation where it's 60/40 in a relationship, then the relationship as a whole will never be equal. A truly equal relationship is truly equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 11:04 PM
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that's only because there are not enough female CEOs to hire only women. men still hold the most power. As I said, even female managers don't want to hire women. I work with a lot of large corporations where where I deal with their senior management, and most of the women senior management begrudgingly hire women. And, unlike men, they have no problems telling external advisors that they would rather hire men. i find it funny how my female bosses and female colleagues work in harmony and are thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 10:55 PM
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Honestly, if I could, yeah, why not. Like you said, less bullshit. But it's not possible because I'm simply not attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 12:59 AM
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The reason why you never argue with a woman isn't because they end up being right, it's because they argue with feelings. Like you, for example. In other words, women are incapable of using logic, and think too much with their emotions. You haven't really been able to argue the reason why it's so well known to the point where literally every guy you ever meet will tell you that women bring up shit from YEARS before, yet that same concept doesn't exist for men. There are other concepts that exist…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 12:55 AM
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You can rationalize it out however you want, the fact of the matter is most men do care, it isn't about community. There isn't a man alive who wants to have kids with a woman who fucked every man in the town. Very few men want a relationship with a woman where, when they go to the party, they hear the words "well, when III had sex with [man's wife]", followed up by another man sharing his experience on sex with [man's wife]. Now look who is making speculative statements. You are now saying that …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 12:07 AM
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Because women tend to see that no one, not even their SO's have the right to know what their n-count is, and most women will tell you that they have lied about it or do lie about it. For men, it's obvious. If he's boasting, he's probably exagerating. If he's quiet, he's either a virgin, has a high n-count and doesn't think of it some sort accomplishment, or has an average n count. I'm not a woman, so I don't know how men tend respond when their SO's or wives ask them, I approached this from a th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 11:45 PM
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When a guy is boasting, as in, he's voluntarily telling you "yo my body count is like 20", that's when you divide it by 3. Guys with high body counts don't keep track and they don't boast about it. But with women, it's all women. THe problem with women is, I've spoken to a lot of women about this topic, and most of them say "if he asks me my n-count, I just tell him the people I've had sex with while in a relationship. If he asks me how many relationships I was in just say the serious relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 09:19 PM
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Again, you make some claim, but you yourself said that women don't talk about that. That means that there isn't any kind of indication that men do it other than your own personal belief and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 07:43 PM
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we hire women and refuse to hire men, if men can do it we can do it too and with more abandon. simple. And if men did that in their own companies, it would be illegal, they would be fined and the majority of women would be out of work. It's funny though, my female boss refuses to hire women. She says "women work less efficiently and they are more trouble than they are worth". what comments like yours prove is that men DO feel entitled to sex with women and that if they don't get it they will "sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 07:40 PM
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People don't talk about it probably because outside of a small percentage of guys, guys like the ones you know, generally, men don't do it. Something happens, we get angry and either we deal with it, or we lock it up into a little box that we never open. Women tend to not do that. They sometimes don't even acknowledge that something happened. Think about the very well known scenario where a guy goes like "what's wrong" and she goes like "nothing", then the guy thinks there's actually nothing wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 07:02 PM
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Yeah. I a friend of mine did something very very stupid that almost cost him his life. He was in the hospital for months, they were worried he'd never be able to walk again, but 5 years later, we laugh and joke about it. He'll be the first to do to laugh too. It's just different, like you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 06:49 PM
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I can't speak to your personal experience, in my experience, guys tend to forget about shit and move on. Most women I've met bring up the most random shit that happened months or years ago regularly. Guys get used to it, it's just normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 06:46 PM
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Cutting welfare is an important thing to discuss. You're right, there isn't a sex quota, but it's not men's jobs to support women and their children when those women choose to sleep with the wrong men. The reason why guys discuss this is because in our modern society, it's very clear that as a society, we are given the responsibility of solving other people's problems, in some way. Oh a woman can't go to work because she got pregnant? no problem, we'll implement laws to make sure she doesn't los…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 06:16 PM
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When you are dating it's different. Guys don't do that shit till much, MUCH later on in the relationship, and truthfully? When they do it, it's not the same. Let me put it this way, a friend of mine was telling me about her first snowboarding trip. SHe'd never been snowboarding, never liked the idea, she didn't know how to stop or how to go or anything. Her boyfriend had been snowboarding from when he was a kid, so he was pretty good. Anyway, he pressured her to skip the bunny hill and go straig…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 06:07 PM
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Uh, well, in my experience, stupid shit is awesome. LIke, how do I say this, Every trip to I've been with a woman hasn't really been memorable. I mean, you see the sights and eat the food, but beyond that, it just isn't anything more. Every trip I've with my guy friends, it's different. I remember doing a 20 hour road trip, and it was like 2 am, raining, the road was BAD AS FUCK, I mean, this is a very unmaintained road in the middle of no where, anyway, all the guys were like "dude, keep drivin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 05:16 PM
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Most men don't use prostitutes. That's why those men have "no options", because they don't use prostitution. You say that these men have no options, but then say that they'll always have the option to use a prostitute. It is about character, there's no doubt about it, but the fact of the matter is, it's men who had options early on that are more likely to use prostitutes. A guy who is a virgin at 28 doesn't see prostitution as an option. If he did, he would have used it. His character tells him …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 03:37 PM
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But, if you think about it, it isn't different from men. Men only need women for one thing, which is sex. Literally, women have redefined themselves to being nothing more than a hole to a man. The difference between men and women from point of view of sex is that society has created a world where it limits men's ability to obtain sex through their natural advantages, while it reinforces women's ability to obtain sex through her natural advantages. In other words, nature gave men two ways to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 03:32 PM
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I multiply it by 3. Just like I divide a guy's number by 3 when he boasts about his number.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 03:19 PM
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Sorta. Ideally, yeah. I mean if the risk that I could have a family with children, where both me and the wife had equal access and control over the family, then sure. But I sure as shit don't want to be a husband to a woman who can end the relationship on a whim, take my kids away and my assets, and force me to pay a portion of my income for 18 years. If we lived in a different world, if I believed that I had rights to my children in the case of a divorce or at all (ie. THe right to get a patern…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 04:53 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 04:10 PM
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I read people comments even when I don't agree with them. Because reading is removes ignorance. Since you haven't made any sort of valid argument, you haven't shown that I'm wrong. In fact, all you've shown is how ignorant you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 04:06 PM
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yeah, sounds about right, it's how the ignorant stay ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 04:02 PM
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no, the communication berrier here is that you keep thinking and implying that professional rejection is similar to the rejection that men experience in the dating world. I keep telling you that it isn't. It's not hard. Let me put it this, in the same way that YOU think that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to your job because I don't do your job, I'm not a real estate agent, I am telling YOU that YOU don't know what you are talking about when it comes to men being rejected, bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 03:50 PM
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When you are at an open house, the people that enter the house typically have some sort of desire or an idea that they want to buy a property. Your job is to convince them that the house that you are selling is the house they want to buy. When you are a guy and you approach, you dont' know if she wants a boyfriend, or has a boyfriend, or whatever. You not only have to convince her to want a relationship, but to also want that relationship with you within a 2-5 minute interaction. As a real estat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 03:43 PM
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You weren't comparing dating to sales. You were comparing rejection in the dating world to professional rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 03:03 PM
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How would you know? You've never been rejected at anywhere near the same levels in the dating world as the average man has. What you are saying is like a guy saying "uh, pushing a baby through a vagina is not that painful, I've taken some pretty big shits which is very similar to pushing a baby out of a vagina, and I didn't feel a lot of pain".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 01:47 PM
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Because you are trying to say that what you did for years is comparable to something you've probably never experienced. Your argument is basically, "I can drive go karts, which is the same thing as racing in nascar".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 04:34 AM
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Truth be told, I've never been rejected for a job. Every job interview I went to, I got the job and I excelled, getting promoted very quickly. Reaching where I am now, I get rejected by potential clients. But that's nothing, because you aren't dealing with constant rejection that compounds over time. Some clients don't feel as though you can serve them so they reject you, but others call you up and thank you for what you did, and tell you how amazingly professional you are and how lucky they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 03:23 AM
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I'm not aggressive, it's just laughable for someone who has never experienced real personal rejection to say that it's comparable to professional rejection. It's like saying that you can drive in nascar because driving those cars is the exact same thing as driving a go kart.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 03:01 AM
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Beta is the man that the woman settles for, she "falls in love with him" in the sense that "he's an okay guy, but he has a lot of money and enough ambition to make me live life on easy mode". Alpha is the guy that the woman wants, he's the guy she is willing to have a harder life to keep. Alpha is the guy who gets to choose who HE wants to have his children. Beta is the guy who doesn't have a choice, he has to accept what he can get. The men that make civilized society possible are losers. Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 02:05 AM
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hold up a sec, you think that being rejected personally and being rejected professionally are similar? Wow, you really have no idea what rejection is. Every guy has been rejected professionally. Professional rejection doesn't hold a candle to personal rejection. They aren't comparable. You're a realtor, people aren't buying you, they are buying the properties you are trying to sell. If you cold call people to try to get them to sell their asset, obviously, you aren't selling yourself, your selli…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 12:56 AM
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Uh, no. Sperm is $400-$600. The 70k in surrogacy is mostly due to the admin, medical and legal costs. Take that out, since there is no admin, legal or surrogacy medical costs that women incur, and the cost goes down to about 25k as compensation for surrogates. IT costs men a lot more to pay the rent and the food during those 9 months than 25k. So, Women get paid for it, don't you worry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 02:13 AM
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Yeah, I do the same. But, when I wanted a relationship, pre RP and all that, I cared about n-count because I saw it as a screening thing. A relationship didn't last long if I found out she had 100k in credit card debt that she used to travel the world. Similarly, if I multiplied the n-count the woman gave by 3, if I was uncomfortable with that, I ended it. When it a ONS, I couldn't care less.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 01:20 AM
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I bore you because I'm right. You opened this discussion. Men and women who don't have kids by accident does result in men paying women for the cost of surrogacy. What, you think putting up with a pregnant woman is cheap? But, by that logic, women should pay men the cost of producing sperm, after all, women can't make a child without sperm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 01:03 AM
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Your analogy makes little sense. So, in your analogy, the cars are what? The choice to have sex? And the collision is what? the failure of contraceptives? Which, I guess would make the damage to the cars the child. Did I get that right? So, here's where your analogy fails. In your analogy, you assume that person A AND person B have separate cars, but that's not the case when it comes to sex. Both men and women make the same choice to have sex. In reality, continuing with your analogy, it would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 12:56 AM
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Any half intelligent man would care about her past if we are talking about a LTR. If it's just a ONS, yeah, who cares.But if you are looking for an LTR, her past tells a lot about her. Just like you'd want to know if she has financial loans and what the loans were used for, a smart man cares about her sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 12:33 AM
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Actually, game isn't about walking away if she's not interested, it's about finding ways to make her interested. In TRP, you can read very often that just because she says she has a boyfriend or a husband or whatever, doesn't mean you walk away. We all know that women use those lines even when they don't have a boyfriend or husbands to not directly tell men that they aren't interested in them. Game is actually about fucking her, THEN walking away.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 12:29 AM
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Oh, well then the advice would be the norm. Make sure she is fit and pretty. Also, at 30, it's not like she'll find good men in bars or clubs, so the best advice is to focus on herself and keep an eye open for men in similar situations that share the same hobbies/interests. At 30, she might have to simply accept that she may be single for the rest of her life. Key word being "may".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 02:36 AM
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Oh, I'm sorry, you are right, I swear to god I read "single mom" for some reason. Long day I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 02:08 AM
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No, I can fathom it, but most good men wouldn't touch a single mother with a 6 foot pole unless she was a widow. Sorry you don't like it, but it's true. Usually, single mothers get together with single fathers, both of them basically being some one else' left overs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 01:51 AM
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Sexually? You should have sex with him as early as the earliest you've had sex in prior ONS or relationships. If the earliest is first date, then that's when you should have sex with him. Non-sexually? You should definitely do the exact opposite of what FDS says, in fact, do the exact opposite of everything FDS says, they sound like morons.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 11:48 PM
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Single due to what? SHe got divorced or her husband died in a war or car accident or something? That's key. If she got divorced, there is no advice to give. She won't find a good man, because most good men don't want anything to do with a divorced 30 year old, and her child. Most good men are smart, and smart men don't spend their time, effort and earnings supporting someone else' child, unless they adopt a child that biologically belongs to neither themselves or their partner. If she's a widow,…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 11:42 PM
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Uh, it's the "women don't want you to solve their problems, they just want you to listen" that is a burden. It's one thing for someone to have a problem that I can help with, although that is a burden, it's at least something that can be solved. But, you just want me to listen. It's stupid. What's the point? It just puts more problems that can't be solved on me, and I have enough of those, I don't need more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 11:36 PM
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Was it really ever a cover up though. I mean, it's very clear that women don't care about men. I sincerely question if it was women that led the world, if humanity would even exist, much less live in a modern society, afterall, much of the things that men did that made the world what it is was to "create a better future for their families". The problem is, men are fairly direct, and therefore, they believe everyone else is too. When women say "women are more empathetic and sympathetic than men, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 11:30 PM
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And I'm saying that multiple witnessess are saying that she wasn't there. So where was she. Was she across the ocean, and his dick magically appeared in her vagina? Obviously she was there. And as I've said a few times, unless these people were in the room while it was happening, they can't know if she consented or not. NO one can. It isn't: so why are you so hellbent on defending a rapist? I'm defending the concept of innocent until proven guilty, PROVEN. Accusations and heresay from people who…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 05:28 AM
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But they're also saying that they aren't a thief, then I'm not allowed to say that they are a thief? That's not the same thing. If the store owner was there, and could have said a simple two letter word, but didn't, then the guy isn't a thief. They're saying BOTH How many times do I have to ask this, were these people there while these two had sex? No? So then they can't say that she couldn't consent. All they could say was that she was drunk when she was put in the car. That's it. That's not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 05:11 AM
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If you believe what he says, then he didn't rape, because he said that he didn't rape her. He's claiming He's claiming that he raped her? Like I said, having sex with a drunk person isn't rape. The only thing that makes it rape is if the woman says she was raped. Multiple witnessess saying that she wasn't able to consent. Saying that she was drunk isn't the same as saying she isn't able to consent. Like I said, the only difference between rape and consent, is whether the woman says she was raped…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 04:42 AM
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First of all, these protests aren't about equality. They are about fighting racism in an institution that exists to protect and defend everyone without discrimination. Second, I think it shows the exact opposite. I think that these protests show that when there is inequality, in this case it was due to race, people will fight against it. Feminism is already losing ground, and feminism is already not being seen as a synonym for equality, by both men AND women. Feminism's days are numbered. One of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 04:30 AM
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So lets recap what you know here. You know she was drunk, you know he drove her home, you know they had sex, and you know she says that he raped her. Yet, somehow, you seem to think that you are judge, jury and executioner, based solely on these 4 very basic facts. No rape case is clear cut. That's not how it works. It's clear cut to you because you believe what the girl says, but in order for it to have occured in the way that she's claiming, there needs to be proof that there was no consent. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 04:21 AM
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Sounds like your dumber than people like me if you think men are any more useless than women. And that was my point, we live in a world where we can all be self sufficient, but we have to define what we want from our partners to make them valuable to us. For most men, despite being able to be the nurturer, they want that role to be filled by women. Society and the law expects that too, since women are automatically seen as the nurturer in custody proceedings. In other words, the entire world is …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:04 PM
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> No...there are multiple witnessess of her being black-out drunk. But no witnesses of the rape. So again, her word. > Being drunk isn't an excuse for your actions. You didn't do any of the actions in that scenario. We are not responsible for what other people do to us. Your actions are that you drank irresponsibly, and you are responsible for that. You aren't responsible for the actions of others, but you are responsible for taking reasonable actions to keep yourself safe. Getting passed out dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 01:03 PM
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They were her friends, he was her friend. He told everyone else he was driving her home. Oh okay, so you lied, there were no witnesses. It's just what she says. > And if you get drunk, someone puts you in the passenger seat, they drive drunk home and they end up killing someone...are you then complicit even though you weren't concious for any of that? Absolutely. Like I said, being drunk is never an excuse. > She drank. Wanna make dangerous drinking illegal: then she did something. Everything el…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:45 PM
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Oh yeah? Was he prosecuted in a court of law? No? Then he wasn't a rapist, and he was right. If she got drunk enough to be passed out surrounded by people that would rape her when she was drunk, that's on her. If I get drunk and someone pressures me to get behind the wheel to drive them home, and we end up killing someone, that's on me. Women are adults, they aren't children. Adults need to take responsibility for their decision to drink, men are forced to, and it's about time that women are too…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:33 PM
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You know, your points would make a lot of sense if women weren't marrying these men in the real world, but the fact is, guys like me don't have problems finding girlfriends and getting married. Truth is, if you are telling men to know their place, then maybe it's time for women to learn their place in the world, and it isn't in the workplace, it's in the home. And as I said, if she isn't willing to fill the role of a wife in the marriage, what benefit would I get from marrying her? You act like …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:31 PM
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You say that men are shy and don't want to bother women, then in the next paragraph, you discuss rape statistics. Men aren't shy, they don't care about women's boundaries, the fact is, the approach is the turn off. I also find it funny that you say you would have sex with 90% of women, but you respect their boundaries. I mean, what you are basically saying is that you see most women as objects, but hey, at least you respect those object's boundaries eh? Look, the fact is that you are a guy who's…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:50 AM
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And yet, many men don't ask the women they want to ask out, why? Because being the pursuer is a turn-off. Knowing we want to have sex with someone doesn't equate to being turned off by having to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:31 AM
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Being the pursuer is a turn-off for men too. Everyone wants to feel desired. The way people feel doesn't have to change, but the way they behave has to. But, ultimately, the way that it is now is like I said, being sexless does not mean a man has no value, it simply shows that women still want gender roles to persist in our modern society. Ultimately, we aren't playing games, either we abolish both male and gender roles in their entirety, or gender roles continue to be a part of our society. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:22 AM
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Well, I mean, if we go by history, then history proves that women have never had rights. Does that mean that we should abolish women's rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 02:41 AM
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The fact of the matter is, I strongly believe that all men were "liked" by at least 1 woman at some point in their lives. Maybe she winked at him and he didn't notice, maybe she had her knees pointed towards him for a night and he didn't notice I don't know, but the point is, I do believe that all men were liked by some woman. It isn't that they don't have value, it's that there is one expectation from men that isn't expected from women. The approach. And THAT's the problem. Being succesfull in …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:00 AM
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You know, women can come up with any term they want, at the end of the day, it's women's roles to cook and clean. Most men agree that that is what they want from a woman. Men are allowed to have preferences that women don't agree with, and women like you trying to shame them into not having preferences. Truth is, it isn't men like me who are man children, because men like me often have careers and take care of themselves pretty well with or without women. It's women like you who are entitled lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 12:27 PM
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lol, ight that was good. Lots of effort for a troll post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 03:14 AM
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> Including the toilet. Are you trying to imply something here? > Why would she "need to"? What do you mean? If I go into a marriage where the expectation is that I support it financially, then I need to meet that expectation by having a career and bringing in the money. If I decide, one day, to quit my job and play video games 24/7, then I'm not meeting the expectations that were required of me. If I go into it with the expectation that I'm going to be a SAHD, then the expectation is that I coo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 02:04 AM
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Is it hard? I cook (in fact i love to cook, one of my favorite things to do), I clean. What's so hard about that? She needs to fill that role for as long as the marriage exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 01:50 AM
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What's the opposite? Cause it sure as hell isn't getting "offended". Being turned off isn't the same as being offended. Offended means it's personal. Turned off simply means you stop being attracted to her. For example, if she were to tell me she is 100k in debt and I can clearly see her chanal bag, then I'd be turned off by her. I'm not offended, I just wouldn't be attracted to her. Similarly, if she tells me her n-count is more than 3 by 25 and 5 by 30, then I'd be turned off by her, not offen…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 01:08 AM
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A feminine role. I expect her to cook, to clean and to be a companion. Not that hard really.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 01:02 AM
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No, we feel more empathy altogether and feel it more strongly. UCLA and Berkeley, among many others, have done research that has reached this conclusion. In those same studies, it says that men are more objective and use more logic. Bad males exist, "his mother must have been absent, maybe she didn't love him, maybe she didn't control him". This is something that is more often said by women than men. Men are angry and badly socialized, "wow, his wife must be a frigid harpy". That's one of the th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 11:50 PM
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Part 2 My dude, most men would defend a friend in court if they knew full well he violently raped and murdered a woman if they knew there were no repercussions on themselves. No they wouldn't, that's bullshit, and you know it. I've seen a case of a group of 10ish men rabidly defend a man who violently raped a woman claiming they had no idea except for one man who provided proof that, except for himself, they had all even been in on it and helped make it happen. So then they werent' defending the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 09:16 PM
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Women biologically have more empathy in general. I had more typed out but I don't even need to bc come on, since when have you all had basic empathy for our lives, let alone our everyday issues? They have more empathy towards children, not towards men. since when have you all had basic empathy for our lives, let alone our everyday issues? Women in general? Never. Because men aren't responsible for women in general. At least not until women become responsible for men in general. Men have always h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 09:16 PM
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The point of it is, that in comparison to male cases, deaths of girls are met with far more dismissal and less concern Show me stats to prove this. you should care. Why? Why should I care? Why are you trying to tell me how to feel? Keep in mind, women themselves have very little empathy towards men, and men's problems. And that's my whole point. Women try to pull on men's heart strings, but when it's time for women to give a shit about men, they just brush it off. If their friend commits rape, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 05:54 PM
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I don't know how you can imagine that porn can or would disappear. With modern technology, even if porn becomes illegal, and the government somehow finds a way to take down every porn site and revealing picture on the internet, men can and probably will, simply film their own sexual encounters and sell them to other men. If the government finds a way to detect these things when they are done on the men's phones or cameras, then men will create technology that goes around that. Fact is, as much a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 03:19 AM
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Honestly, I was a very close friend with only one guy who basically had to do nothing for sexual success. Literally, we couldn't go to a bar, have a beer and a conversation, without a woman coming up to him. It was ridiculous. He was #2, like, it's creepy how well your description fits him, minus the view on women and the anger phase. Actually, my friend was like, super pussy about women. Like totally drank the kool aid and, when asked, always talked about how difficult it must be for women, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 05:23 AM
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Well, yeah, to a degree. I mean, that's not saying that being a woman is easy, it's just compared to men, women get life with a cherry on top, and men get it raw. Let me give you an example. Women often say "men should just treat women like they treat men". We hear that less now, why? Because women realized that men aren't treated very nicely by other men or by women. It's why women now say "men need to learn to respect women", it's because women realized that men have a belief that respect is e…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 04:55 AM
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The issue is that men can commit heinous crimes and get lax punishments. Men who have brutally murdered and tortured girls get <20 years. It's not just men. It's women too. Women can and often times do commit heinous crimes, including murder and rape, and often times their punishment is lower than men's. Now, truth be told, I am, always have been, and always will be, a supporter of extreme punishments for extreme crimes. Torture and actual rape, along with human trafficking, kidnapping, pedophil…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 03:40 AM
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Sure. So this was grades 5-7. Basically, at least once a year, there would be an assembly for the boys. At the front, there would be 4-6 middle aged, fat ugly women. I mean, when you'r 9 or 10, you think these women are old as fuck, but thinking back, I'm pretty sure they were 35-45 ish at the time. Anyway, so in these assemblies, these women discussed many things, one of which was "how to be a good man" and "how to be a real man". They explained things like "what you do now and who you are now …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 01:08 AM
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It's comperable to america or england I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 12:55 AM
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Part 2 I’m just going to say that 48% of sex trafficking victims are filmed and put online Do you have stats for that? Or is it a number you pulled out of yours ass? More importantly, can you give a percentage of men within the western population that is directly involved in sex trafficking? around 78% of all mainstream porn contain violent themes. Again, do you a source? Now, sure violent themes exist in porn, why wouldn't they? Porn is fantasy. The people on there are actors. Most porn videos …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 12:54 AM
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And you refuse to acknowledge any of it I didn't refuse to acknowledge any of it. What you are trying to say, as I've said over and over and over again, is common knowledge. The point I was making wasn't about the act itself (ie. the mutilation of the man) rather, the reaction of women who are in a relatively prominent position in our society in terms of media. The fact is, when your job is to host a show where you talk about many things, including crimes and news, how you behave is reflective o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 12:54 AM
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Yes there absolutely are. I started to type out shit but I'm not even going to attach anything bc I know you know full well that is untrue. Read the context of the sentence I wrote. There are no men who do that publicly on national tv who do or have done it without repercussions. If you have an example, link it so I can get my TIL for the day. It is well known to the point of being stereotypical that rape and crimes against women are taken as a joke legally and often extremely lax in punishment.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 05:45 AM
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We’ve been in quarantine longer than Brock Turner was in jail And yet, he did go to jail. I personally knew the girl who made the news for being beheaded by someone who couldn’t cope with her not going on a date with him. The guy who jerked off on pictures of her bloody body and sent them to get parents and several discord chats that were rapidly distributed. Okay, and were a bunch of famous men aired on tv laughing at the girl who was beheaded? A toddler was hospitalized for anal tears and no j…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:59 AM
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What kind of hostility are you looking for? Do you just want bias? I'll give you a few stories. I was in grade 11 chemistry, so this was about, 2007. This teacher sucked. She was a big, middle aged woman who clearly hated her job. Anyway, she did a piss poor job of teaching and the textbook was basically written to supplement the teacher (ie. it was written expecting that the teacher would do her job and explain it). So, for the first month, a lot of people asked questions, the guys and girls. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:30 AM
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> Women can bring out a million examples of men brutally raping, torturing, and killing innocent girls from toddlers to elderly women, how groups of men dedicate themselves to masturbating to or making fun of watching female torture and murder and rape, and the male response is to give a single example that pales in comparison because they have nothing equivalent to counter with. There' a difference between those examples, and the example I gave. The facts are this, the en that rape, torture, ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 03:28 AM
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I'm just gunna drop this off right about here. Forget about the actions of the woman who did what she did, I'm sure you write that off as "Women are not a hive mind" (yet that viewpoint is never extended to men), rather, think about the show. Think which gender the hosts are of that show. These aren't a group of men who no real influence sitting in the back yard joking, this isn't a group of anonymous guys on the internet saying stupid shit. Look at the audience, and look at which gender the aud…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 03:04 AM
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I'm just gunna drop this off right about here. Good talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 02:57 AM
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That's a very feminine way of admitting you are wrong. Way to battle those gender stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 03:41 AM
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What? you started your argument saying how good it is that gender roles from women have been removed, but made sure to say that gender roles for men should continue to exist, ie " ...at least provided for his family ( like he should do anyway) ". You went on to say some bs about how "women are wonderful and men should be honored that women have their kids". You made a reference to statistic without giving any references. Your point did absolutely put men down. What do you think you meant when yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 03:38 AM
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Society hasn't brainwashed men. Men wanting beautiful women is as natural as women wanting men with resources of some kind. If not money, then height to make them feel safe. If not height, then success to make them feel accomplished. For as long as history is recorded, you can find men writing about being attracted to the beauty of women. That's not brainwashing, that's simply nature. Historically speaking, skin products, working out and healthy eating are a relatively new concept. Working out a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 02:26 AM
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More like: women: "we want access to your opportunities and success, either directly or indirectly through government intervention" Men: "sure, but the price of that is sex" women: "no, I want what you have without working to earn it or giving up anything that I have at all" Men: "you are an adult, if you are going to act entitled to my stuff, I'll act entitled to yours".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 01:29 AM
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See, women have been so heavily brainwashed by marketing of the major beauty corps that they truly believe that beauty products do something. The fact is, beauty products do very very little. They are designed to have long term effects, ensuring that the consumer keeps buying more and more and more of that cream for the promise of perhaps a future benefit in the future. Fact is, men haven't been brainwashed by the media for stuff like that. The fact that is, men and women live very very differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 01:20 AM
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> Only men are considered creepy. Actually, there is a very large portion of the female gender that is very very creepy. It's just, men don't mention it because men don't feel irrational fear towards them. > And if you look untidy then you look even more creepy. So, you went from : > Being creepy does not have to do with appearance unless you don't take care of yourself and stink To, "untidy". Well, that's a drastic difference. There's a significant difference between someone who showers every d…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 01:08 AM
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A lot of what you said is just plain bs and you truly have a terrible outlook on men and women if you believe even half of what you said. If he sounds angry, he's right to be. Women like you are the female equivalent of those men that women like you call "misogynist".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 12:27 AM
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> And why do men always neglect the fact that a man if he is adamant he does not want the risk of kids could get a vasectomy or God forbid, STOP ENGAGING IN CASUAL SEX? For the same reason that women neglect the fact that women can abort, men can't. No financial support for women means she can abort or take full consequences of her choice to not abort. > He could have not had sex but if a child is on the way then that child does not deserve to starve because daddy was a selfish and irresponsible…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 12:23 AM
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Actually mentally healthy guys would care about a womans past, and men are allowed to have preferences. It isnt an obsession to have preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 01:51 PM
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Well, the truth is that from his point of view, the fact that he isnt your first is you treating him like he is "less than". Obviously you didnt know him back then, but it might be how he feels. And I wouldn't blame him if he felt that way. But the truth is, at 27 and at 30, everyone is settling. You arent getting his best and he isnt getting yours. If you arent happy and are unable to come to grips with that, then you need to figure out what to do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 01:49 PM
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I thought we were talking about the collective level, not individual. Individual men may do that, and even saying that is kinda out there. By that logic, men who are happy with the sex life they have with their wives or girlfriends or whatever, would just shut down and not do anything, yet they still have ambition, they still seek status, power and resources, even without the possibility of getting other pussy. And historically speaking, women took a lot of risk if they cheated on their husbands…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 03:24 AM
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Yeah, but you are making the assertion that men, as a collective, only do things to get pussy. In other words, as a collective, men only act on things that gets them pussy. Which simply isn't true. I would argue that, men as a collective, especially historically speaking when pussy was relatively easy to get, act on things that get them power, status and resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 03:10 AM
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Well, that's not the point. The point is, we are born from men who did what they had to do to get what they want. That, in and of itself, tells you that men, as a collective, don't do things for pussy. They do things to get what they want, which is also what women, as a collective, do. In other words, men don't want to be doctors because doctor=status=money=pussy, rather, men want to be doctors because doctors =money. Or Doctor=status. The fact that money and/or status = pussy is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 03:04 AM
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Not necessarily. Historically speaking, rape was very common. This is how it is in the modern day, maybe in the last 50-150 years, but really, a lot of men didn't care about being attractive and simply raped women, whether those women were slaves, or on opposing sides of a war or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 02:51 AM
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I honestly don't think they will not support women's rights if they aren't faced with repercussions. . The fact is, the "average" man believes that men and women have achieved equality in all things that matter. The inequality that remains is inconsequential. It's equivalent to a person complaining that a price is $3.99 and not simply $4. Who cares? It's meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 02:36 AM
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Most people support women's ability to have those rights (so long as they have the responsibilities that come with those rights), but do not support the women's rights movements as they fight for rights without responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 02:35 AM
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So, why do women chase status? And why do you think that women are able to chase status without doing it for dick, but can't think that men chase that same status without doing it for pussy? What's the old saying? correlation does not mean causation?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 02:33 AM
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Yeah, but the concept of having children within a marriage is tradition in and of itself, so again, if we are picking and choosing the parts of marriage to keep, what's the point of getting married?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 02:07 AM
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Women dont usually start off as harpies, they just choose to end up that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 02:45 PM
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Why would anyone take on that kind of deal? I mean, the only way to do it is for those individuals to receive significant reduction in income taxes. Maybe they only pay 10%-25% the amount of taxes that a person who doesn't take this deal for the rest of their lives. That way, the people who take the deal aren't supporting the people who do have kids, the people who do have kids can pay more in taxes to build a society that can support their children and grandchildren, and the people who choose t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:07 AM
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Men are capable of rape and violence, but the law punishes men who choose to rape or act violently. Women divorce rape with full support of the law. This is a part of the reason why AWALT applies in this case. Divorce rape and support of the law for women who commit divorce rape, or paternity fraud or whatever, is female specific. Men can't do those things. > Looks/money/status, know the consequences of divorce and why it happens, and don’t be a push over -> all TRP needs to be That's all that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 05:23 AM
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Look, I don't believe in AWALT or a lot of the things that RP says, that's why I wouldn't classify myself as RP. But AWALT, from my understanding, is a core concept in RP. It IS RP. It's not radical RP, it's simply a part of it. That's what I mean when I say it's being watered down.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 05:13 AM
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Depends on where you live. In canada, stats canada says that in contested situations (ie. situations that the father fights for custody), the mother gets court apointed physical custody 60% of the time, and men get it 10% of the time. So, from the men's perspective, lawyers tell them that if they spend the money in legal costs to contest custody, the likelihood that they will obtain physical custody appointed by court is 10%. Men aren't fighting because they can't win. The court is so bias again…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 05:11 AM
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So, you want a marriage, which by definition is a declaration of commitment, but you want to remove the symbolic actions that actually make a marriage have it's meaning. Taking on his name is symbolic. Him buying the ring is symbolic. Take that out and the other symbolic actions, and marriage becomes meaningless. So, I ask, if you take those symbolic actions out, what is the point of getting married? Is it just because it's fun to spend 20k-100k on a party? Is it simply to fulfill the women's ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 05:03 AM
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> It’s about making a life-long commitment to someone you love, creating a partnership that can look lots of different ways for different people. If that's all that its about, then what's the point of "marriage" at all? Marriage, by definition, is about tradition. It's traditional that the way that a couple makes the long term commitment is through marriage. You are picking and choosing what you want out of marriage. That's not how marriage works. You can't say "oh, I like the commitment part of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 04:55 AM
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It isn't living a life being nagged by a woman who refuses to fuck you and bitches that you don't do your share while you work 12 hours a day outside in construction and she sits in her cozy office for 8 hours a day, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 04:32 AM
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Fathers give up custody, or accept settlement outside of courts because they are informed of the bias in courts by their lawyers. It's not a decision, it's just, if, out of court, your ex is letting you see your kids twice a month, and your lawyer tells you that in the united states, in the vast majority of cases that end up in court, women get court apointed custody, well, that's that. It's like, being raped, and your rapists offers you an apology, then your lawyer informs you that that apology…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 04:26 AM
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The only reason why women don't disappoint men is because men know that women are incapable of living up to expectations, so, they don't put any expectations on women, well, other than to have sex, and women manage to disappoint even on that front. You said that statement with such pride, but it's really a sad statement. It speaks volumes about the modern woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 04:22 AM
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Personally? I think a small part of it is that men are, well, for lack of a better phrase, waking up, and are going to the redpill to share their experience. I think a larger part of it is that TRP has been watered down by the influence of women, and by the new subscribers of TRP. Most of the guys on TRP aren't actually RP. They take from it what they feel is right, and reject other ideas. They are still very much blue pill. Working out and having a career doesn't make you red pill. That's just …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 02:32 AM
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It's not my prerequisite, it is a a part of the definition of marriage. It's as much a part of marriage as buying her a ring, having a party etc. I'll say this, in the spirit of compromise, if she doesnt take my last name, I dont buy a ring. She can go buy her own wedding band, and that'll be that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:21 PM
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I wasnt triggered at all. I was simply trying to explain that the entire concept of marriage in the modern world is tradition. If you arent going to adhere to the traditions of marriage, then what's the point of getting married? Buying a ring is basically worthless in the modern world, it doesnt mean anything, and women can earn their own income they dont need a ring for security, yet women still want men to buy them rings. The desire that women have for a ring is as much ego as the desire that …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:19 PM
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But that's not what the name-taking part of marriage says. What I'm talking about isn't about equality, it's about compromise. We all know that there is no equality in marriage and relationships, there is compromise. Men compromise, and women compromise. Compromise, by it definition, means that you have to do things that you may not want to do. If one person is unwilling to compromise, then they are a poor partner. If she wants a marriage, but is unwilling to make the compromises that are a part…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 05:11 AM
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> I honestly think society has created the belief that in order for a man to be cool and manly he needs a lot of casual hookups to prove his worth, and so men feel they have to fuck women left and right, but in reality, just like us, you desire romance, a connection, and love. It isn't society that has created this, it's women. Consider what the average woman thinks about a 25 year old virgin. I know a few of them, they aren't ugly by any stretch. Actually, if you saw them, you would never guess…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 05:08 AM
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> When you tell a woman that, you’re essentially telling her to go for men who simply cannot do any better than committing to her. That is what life is. Women tell men "if you want to have an easier time in the SMP, don't lose your hair and get taller". That's not a fair statement, now is it, but that's simply how it is. > According to many dudes (here especially), committing is just a way for men to ensure a steady sex supply- something they’d struggle to get single. It's not something that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:55 AM
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Uh, I don't hold contempt, but I've never seen them as "LTR" material. That's become hard at certain times in my life. Look, in this life, the kind of impression a woman leaves on you when she rejects you has substance. She'll always be the woman who didn't want you when you wanted her. The new women, they may have rejected you in the past, but it didn't happen. When you wanted her, she didn't reject you. You may be more attractive when you wanted the new woman, but that's irrelevant because you…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:36 AM
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Right, but truth be told, I've spoken to a lot of women about the money issue, and I've never met a woman in the real world that is okay with it. They simply say "that's not marriage. When you are married, what's mine is his and what's his is mine. If he doesn't want me to have access to his bank account then we aren't married". It is just a name, but the whole concept of marriage is "just a....". "it's just a ring", yet women still want the ring. "it's just a party", yet most women still want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:30 AM
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I'm 30, from canada. Well, I think that there are certain things that are expected to occur in order marriage to be a "marriage". I mean, a name is just a name, really, I only see it as meaning one thing, that we are unified in a marriage. If she doesn't take my last name, then it isn't a marriage. I guess a good concept to compare it to is, say, you get married and your husband and you make the same amount of money. Most women expect a joint bank account, and access to his money while also prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:52 AM
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No, it's not because he had negative experiences in the past. I mean, guys are used to dealing with rejection. The reason why men approach less, is because risk of approach and what the approach leads to is higher. If men are going to be accused of "harassment" and be called "Creepy" for going up to a girl and asking her out, or if the repercussions of the woman not enjoying the sexual encounter is the accusation of rape, then men will only take those kinds of risks for really attractive women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 03:32 AM
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So, if to you, established does not mean having a career, a house and financial stability, then what do you think established is? Having 100M in the bank? having seen 60 countries? Maybe you mean that they are married with kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 12:51 AM
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Awww baby ready for it's nappy time?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 12:05 AM
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If she gives me the choice to abort, and I choose not to, I'd support the child and father it. If she doesn't abort when I want to abort, I'd leave the country. Got a nice little bank account in a country out of jurisdiction of the country I'm in, I'd just be gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 12:04 AM
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You're still a little girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 12:02 AM
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> can understand if you’re established and genuinely have things going for you, You just told all old men that you want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 12:01 AM
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Uh, Well, I don't know why you care. I mean, the only thing that gets me is this idea that we not only need to inject diversity into media by changing the original media. If that media became famous for it's characters, who looked a certain way, or spoke a certain way, or were of a specific gender, than those things should never change. Just by changing them, you are changing the things that made them what they are. If, Disney were to, come up with a new cartoon, where the princess is black or g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:59 PM
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Do you realize that women have been trying to tell men what to be attracted to for decades? Most of the men on here, at some point, were told "women don't give a shit about what you look like, they just care about what kind of person you are. So why do you care about what she looks like?". You can't spend decades trying to change what men are attracted to, then say "well, women can't change what men are attracted to".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:49 PM
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Well, the obsession really started from women's side when they decided to start the whole "sexual revolution" thing. I mean, if you are going to throw your sexuality in my face and blame me, personally, for your inability to fuck, then don't be surprised when I scrutinize your sexual past the minute you decide you want to settle down or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:38 PM
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Well, the problem is, women define "positive movement for men" as a "movement that not only doesn't hinder women's entitlemens, but assists women in obtaining more entitlements". So, for example, if a group of men got together to discuss what they are doing to prevent the raping of women, or disrespect of women, well, women would be all for that. They consider that as a "positive movement for men". If a group of men get together and discuss solutions and actions for, say, the problem of men not …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 10:44 PM
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Okay, so first of all, women live longer than men, so really, those children are primarily paying to support women in their old age, not men. It would make more sense to expect women to support themselves. Second, Japan's demography is in chaos for a number of reasons, a major one being that men simply don't find women worth the investment of their money and time. Our demographic environment is headed that way too. Third, you are implying that as soon as a woman loses her job due to her personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 10:08 PM
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There's a vast difference between having "practically no choices" and "have fewer choices than others". Women didn't have "practically no choices". They simply had fewer choices than men. So what if men had a few more choices than women? Having more choices than another gender isn't the same as freedom or equality, it doesn't equate to oppression. Women can choose to abort, men can't, how come you aren't out here saying that men are being oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 11:30 PM
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It doesn't matter what you believe because that isn't how it is in society. The fact is, most people, men or women, had very few choices for themselves. Even today, we have very few choices for ourselves. Women have more choices than men, there's no doubt about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 05:55 PM
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First off, no one said women shouldn't have rights, the majority of men believe women should have rights so long as they are all also forced accept the responsibilities of those rights. No one said women shouldn't drive, but everyone will say that if a woman drives and gets in a car accident, it's wrong for legislation to say "the woman is never at fault" or "the woman is at fault, but if a man is involved, even as a bystander, it's his job to pay the costs of that accident" No one said women sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 05:52 PM
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Men got the right to vote, by they were also forced to take on responsibilities, mostly relating to going to war. In other words, yes, men could vote, but men also had to sign up for a draft. Now, in the modern word, despite the fact that the draft isn't expected to be used, men are still expected to sign up for it. Women, got the right to vote without taking on the responsibility of that vote. Also, relatively speaking, it took a lot longer to allow the average man to vote than it did to allow …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 05:41 PM
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Sex dolls are less work. No work is the least amount of work someone could do, and every man has to do some work for real women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 12:11 AM
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> I want you to imagine a large, bald, sweaty , fat man inserting himself inside of you ... panting ... breathing all over you ... his breath his bad ... his sweat is getting all over your skin ... You are in pain ... waiting for each second which feels like hours for this to be OVERRR.... it feels like it will never end ... you want to cry. This is a nightmare. Not. My. Problem. Look, I was all good about feeling sympathy and empathy for women, but then, I realized that women feel zero sympathy…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 12:58 PM
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> That is the way that man sees women being friends to each other. I made that comment, so let me clarify some things since it's been taken out of context. When I said that, I didn't mean that that's how women are friends to each other. I meant that that is how you start a friendship, either man or woman. You just be yourself, and at some point, you meet people who are like you and you become friends. think about people who only play video games, they meet people online, people who, for all inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 08:07 PM
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Well, the problem is, the average women today, at least in the west, wouldn't and isn't a good mother. And men do ask themselves "what value does she bring to me?", and the answer to that question is often times "a hole to fuck". The modern day woman brings very little to the table for men. It's not that they don't consider these things, it's that women don't offer these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 07:52 PM
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I made the comment she linked, and I have plenty of female friends. I mean, you probably won't believe me, I don't really know how to prove it to you, I don't think giving you my name and their phone numbers for you to call and confirm is appropriate. > eventually these men who are capable of having female friends and attracting them into occasional FWB sexual relationships will eventually want to settle down into a long-term relationship that involves both friendship and companionship with a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 07:51 PM
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> "Women's effort into a relationship is similar to the effort that women put into a friendship. I mean, what do they do? They breath? They put clothes on? They pretend like they are interested in what the other person is doing. That's basically how you start a friendship.” I made that comment, and you are taking it out of context. In the context of that debate that I was having, we were talking about the approach. The person making the argument stated that creating a relationship is similar to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 07:47 PM
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I don't want to fuck the same woman. I want to fuck different women. I wouldn't say that it's men that are enabling prostitution. Truth is, at least modern day prostitution, is becoming more of the norm because of a society that neglects men and their needs. Because women don't offer anything to these men, and women expect men to put in too much effort to obtain sex. That's why there's nothing wrong with prostitution. If it's a choice between me living my life in a slave-like manner, where I con…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 07:26 PM
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That's just what women think because, ultimately, buying sex diminishes women's power in the SMP. When I get to the point where obtaining sex is more effort than it's worth, if I didn't buy sex, I'd have to settle down with some woman that really adds nothing to my life. What's the point of that? I won't be happy, she won't be happy. I'm not going to try to make her happy just for sex, I'm not going to give someone that kind of power over me. Going to prostitutes is really the only option that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 07:18 PM
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For me, it's about having a good time. If that good time lasts, then great, but honestly, if there is one thing I learned in my dating life, it's that a woman doesn't really have anything to offer me to improve my life other than sex, and even that is getting, well, boring. I have friends that replace the "people to hang out with" desire, I can support myself. I know at some point sex will get difficult to obtain, but if sex is all I want, I make enough money to hire prostitutes. I love to cook …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 04:15 PM
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WIC serves pregnant and breastfeeding women ie. So single mothers would be eligible for the benefit for 5 years, 9 months, men would be eligible for the benefit for 5 years. Ie. women are eligible for a publicly funded benefit that men are not for 9 months. In regards to mat leave, I'm in canada , and I know the laws here. If you want me to link them to you, I can. As I said previously, benefits relating to publicly funded programs and income tax are dependent on where you live. Are you somehow …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:09 AM
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Read up on WIC. It clearly states that it is for for women who are pregnant or breastfeeding or who have recently been pregnant, infants & children under age 5. That requirement, gives women more access to WIC than men, effectively meaning that they get access to the benefit more than men. Maternity leave in the US is not paid. The law only requires a company to hold your job for 12 weeks And, again, that's a benefit that men do not get. The effects of the government implementing this rule trick…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 12:07 AM
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“I’m looking for a connection. If it turns out that you’re my soulmate, then wonderful! But I’m not going to know that right off the bat, and I’m certainly not looking to get married next month. Let’s start off with drinks, and go from there, sound fair to you?” That's more or less the same thing as lying. It's just sugar coating it. Everyone is looking for a connection, everyone is looking for a soulmate. Half the men that say that leave after sex. It's effectively the same thing. But that’s ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 11:33 PM
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WIC. Maternity leave is another. When it comes to income tax, it heavily depends on where you live. In most places, it's the payer of support payments that pays income tax, despite the fact that the recipient is the person receiving the economic benefit of the money (which, is how the tax system determines who pays income tax on what, "who receives the economic benefit"). Things like credits and deductions related to children which are linked to child custody, and since marital law is heavily bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 11:30 PM
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Are you suggesting that schools give women the answers ahead of time? No, I'm suggesting that schools are tailored to teach in ways that girls find easier to learn in. Oh that's right, only the menzes pay taxes. Women pay the same taxes as men, but men don't the opportunity for the same benefits as women. There are benefits that only women qualify for, but men don't get a discount on their taxes for. I'm curious. What do you do for a living? What's your background, educational, upbringing, etc? …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:58 PM
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Being a moral person is a very important to me personally. In fact, when I was very young, many of my friends and early girlfriends said that was the best thing about me. That I was a moral stone, that I always did the right thing, that I care and thought about others etc etc. It's just, as you grow up as a man in this world, morality doesn't really have a place in your life. It doesn't help you. Truth be told, I still struggle with it in my profession. I've missed out on promotions because I ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:51 PM
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So you do feel guilty, but you acknowledge that it doesn’t make you a bad person overall, right? Sure, I struggled with it. Most men struggle with having to lie to women to get what they want, or what they believe they need. But, again, that's simply how the SMP is. In a way, women encourage men to lie and punish men who don't. I'm not inherently confident, for example, or charismatic. I pretend to be, because when I didn't, I couldn't get a date. Everything in the approach is a lie. It's manufa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:39 PM
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Look up how boys perform academically in a co-ed school vs how they perform in a boys only school.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:34 PM
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But you can't, because you made decisions that prevent you from doing that. Lying to women makes me feel bad, doesn't mean I'm a bad person. At the end of the day, I'm not going to be honest in an inherently dishonest system. I'd never get what I want. You may feel guilty about your n-count, but lets say you meet this honest man. This perfect man for you. And he asks you "hey, how many men have you had sex with", the average woman would lie. She would probably only tell him the men she fucked th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:29 PM
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You don't know much about business do you? You can't start a successful business if you know nothing about the product you are selling. If you've never worked as a daycare provider, then your daycare centre won't be successful, unless you partner up with someone who does know the service that is being sold. And the point of my comment was to be used as an example. I could have easily said "education". Think about why men aren't equally represented in the education system. A bad male teacher is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:25 PM
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So, you are a woman arguing that it's easy for men to learn in a system that was created by and for women. Huh. That's like me arguing that it's easy for women to not get used for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:22 PM
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Do women feel guilty about rejecting men? or about expecting to be approached? Or lying about their n-count? Lying to women doesn't make a man a bad person, taking advantage of women doesn't make a man a bad person, because, women take advantage of men all the time. It's simply the state of the world. Do single moms sit there and wonder "man I'm a bad person for accepting that money from the government, half of it was paid for by men who would never qualify for this money, and it was my own poor…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:21 PM
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Sure. There's money in daycare. I could start up a daycare and I'd be set for life, if not for the generalizations and stereotypes of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:17 PM
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I'm not reading up on a disease that is diagnosed significantly more in boys than in girls. I'm sure ADHD is a very serious disease, that presents challenges for people who have it, but, clearly, the way it is defined is bias. It's probably something completely different than what I'd be reading up on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:16 PM
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Half the boys on this planet have "ADHD", it's the "he's sick because he isn't acting like girls" disease. The concept of ADHD and how prevalent it is in boys vs girls, speaks volumes on our educational system. You did fine, probably because you were medicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:13 PM
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Again, you need to see it from the guy's perspective. He sent you an opener and you responded. Most guys have to send dozens of women an opener before they get response. The guy already put in work. If he tells you the truth, that work would have gone for nothing. There is no way to do it. As long as we live in a society where men are the ones doing the legwork on the approach, and women's role continues to be the passive selector, then there isn't any way for you to know if he just wants sex, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:10 PM
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I did fine. It's not that men aren't capable of doing fine in an educational system designed by women, for women. it's just a misconception that women excel at a system designed by men for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:08 PM
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Yeah, but that's why it's a stupid concept. You want me to answer truthfully so that you can deny me the thing that I want, despite the fact that I already paid the cost of the approach, the planning of the date, and will probably pay for the date. If I am truthful, then all that work would go for nothing .So obviously I"m not going to be truthful.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:06 PM
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That's called "tolerance", not "base level of respect", and men tolerate women just as often as women tolerate men. No, men don't just automatically get respect, they get tolerance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:05 PM
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Because those are stupid questions. Obviously I'm going to say whatever good and thoughtful things that make this date become sex. By asking that question, you are forcing me to lie. It's like, a man asking a woman "what's your n-count?". Why do women hate being asked that? Why do they lie in the overwhelming majority of the time. It's a qualifying question that is very important to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:02 PM
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Academic settings were made by men, for men, back in the 50's. Check out the graduation rates back then. The system has been redesigned in the modern world for the success of women, at the cost of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:00 PM
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But, this is the same concept as child care. Because one father is incompetent, it's something that is generalized on all men. Yet, when one mother is incompetent, she isn't seen as a representation of her gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 07:58 PM
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Women do better in exams because the system was redesigned to ensure the success of women. They don't compete against men on an equal playing field, they compete against men in a feminine arena. It's like, making a wrestling match between men and women, except the guy has both his hands and feet tied, just because the woman wins, doesn't mean she's the better wrestler. And men, do have harder lives. That's not to say that women don't have their own struggles, but the fact is, the system helps wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 07:56 PM
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It's only a meaningless term when everyone is equally as much as a slave as others. If one group of people are forced to be slaves more than another, than that term has a meaning. If we go back to enslaving black people, well, all of a sudden, slavery actually has meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 07:52 PM
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I would prefer adopting. I'm pretty sure if I do end up with a family, I'd prefer to have 1, and adopt a second. But, truthfully, the adopted child would likely be my preferred child. He/she would be the one that I had a true choice in having. It's not about the responsibility, it's about the choice. If something is mine, then I want to know it's mine. Of course, this is probably a by product of my profession. I'm an accountant, I spend half of my day proving that an asset existed, and is actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 05:57 AM
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I've made my peace with it. They wouldn't be my kids anyway. If I can't choose to abort like the mother can, if paternity testing isn't a standard, then I am simply the "assigned father" and not the actual father.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 05:30 AM
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It wouldn't be easier for you, men aren't allowed to want that anymore, they are brainwashed into not wanting that anymore. Truth be told, I would love to have a husband, and fulfill the mom role with kids. What's the big deal? Cleaning? Cooking? I enjoy doing those anyways. Making and keeping appointments? Pfft. I do that at my work anyways. Don't get me wrong, I love my job. I love my career, but I also would love my children, very much. What is the point of a career, a job, a nice car, a nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 05:09 AM
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I can't answer for all men, I can only answer for myself. When my friend died, I thought about me wishing I could be more, me wishing I could have been better. In the context of relationships, about me regretting wasting so much time throughout the years trying to look good, being charming and charismatic in order to get women. In the context of myself, I'd think about my choice to spend so much time on my career (I've thought, "maybe I shouldn't have blown him off that one time because I needed…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 04:49 AM
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omfg. This is mind-blowing to me. It seems like men care about these things SOOOOOOO MUCH. Didn't you just send me paragraphs of numbers about people's appearances? Wow. LOL I have to take this in. Why do men talk about appearances like... endlessly if they don't care about them that much? Because that is the only thing that men have left to value. I remember talking to my father and grandfather, and they would tell me, " a good woman isn't one who just looks good, she's a woman who you can trus…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 04:40 AM
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Edit: why don’t you also answer how men feel loved, or what values they have. Is it really just sex and looks? I feel like that’s what you’re hinting at. I’m 35 I’ve been dating for 20 years and have tried being crazy sexual w men and idk. It never felt like it made the guy feel one way or another about me or about himself or whatever. I think in retrospect none of them cared about me (they all told me they cared about me) and just wanted sex and then to peace out. That doesn’t make me feel good…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 03:52 AM
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Most men aren't bringing these to the table because they don't value them in the SMP mindset. I can't answer the question about your values, I can only tell you that you need to realize what you, and what the average woman expect from men, and the frustrating part of it, for men at least, is that THEY are being expected to choose between their own values and living a life of solitude. We can't live a life without compromise. That's not how the world works. I understand that women today are raise…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 03:23 AM
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I'm going to expand on the "not knowing how to give a man what he truly wants" comment, as I think it's worth discussing I'm going to be honest with you with the most basic of examples. The average woman doesn't know how to handle her guy he is in grief, or when he is in pain. I've never been in a relationship, or have known a guy who was comforted, or was able to find comfort, in his SO, when he was in pain emotionally. Guys can see that women get frustrated at this, and often times, a woman's …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 03:14 AM
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Okay, you made this personal, and I don't like debating in the personal world. So, imagine we aren't talking about you personally, even if I am using the words "you". Truth be told, the qualities that you listed, which I'm assuming are the qualities that you think are the best of you, aren't really qualities that men value. I mean, yeah, men value a woman who is loving, but educated, generous, financially sound, having a nice place, traveling, all these things are a write off for men. They don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 03:00 AM
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Well, first of all, I know that it's rough, dark and scary. Women's description of their own thought process is also rough, dark and scary. Life is rough, dark, and scary. Don't forget, women tell men that it's natural and in the best interest of the human race for some men to be locked out of the gene pool. They say "it's good we make most men miserable, because that means they are the weakest, and we are choosing the strongest", which is ironic, considering the way society treats women. But an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 02:20 AM
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Then they're not fuckboys. Women dont find fuckboys to be attractive what so ever. IF that was true, then fuckboys would have such an easy time with women. As I said, women say one thing, and they do something different. You have to pay attention to how they behave, not what they say. Women dont desire fuckboys. Really? THat's interesting, considering those guys have no problems fucking whoever they want, and "LTR"ing whoever they want. SO LOOKS AND CHARM. Lets not narrow down women's desires, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 01:24 AM
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Then they're not fuckboys. Women dont find fuckboys to be attractive what so ever. IF that was true, then fuckboys would have such an easy time with women. As I said, women say one thing, and they do something different. You have to pay attention to how they behave, not what they say. > Women dont desire fuckboys. Really? THat's interesting, considering those guys have no problems fucking whoever they want, and "LTR"ing whoever they want. > SO LOOKS AND CHARM. Lets not narrow down women's desire…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 01:16 AM
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Then they're not fuckboys. Women dont find fuckboys to be attractive what so ever. IF that was true, then fuckboys would have such an easy time with women. As I said, women say one thing, and they do something different. You have to pay attention to how they behave, not what they say. > Women dont desire fuckboys. Really? THat's interesting, considering those guys have no problems fucking whoever they want, and "LTR"ing whoever they want. > SO LOOKS AND CHARM. Lets not narrow down women's desire…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 01:16 AM
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> That same study that "proves" 80/20 found that two thirds of all male attention is focused on the top one third of women. So why isn't there a 66/33 rule? Because everyone already assumes that men are shallow horndogs. Men aren't sitting there saying "i don't want a hot woman, with great boobs, and you know what, I don't want sex at all". No. Men are literally saying "I want hot women with big boobs/ass/whatever because I am horny and I want to fuck". The 66/33 percent, or whatevery % is prett…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:07 AM
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> Top 20% OF WHAT? The top 20% of men, as perceived by women. > You mean looks and charm? And what does “getting” mean? You guy make conversations impossible because you dont specify your context. Well, I would have thought that it's pretty self explanatory. No, I don't mean looks and charm, I mean desirability. Whatever that means to women, the top 20% have it. It's like I said before, if men are going to be 6 feet 3 inches, buff, charming, blue eyes etc etc, then they can get any woman they wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:27 AM
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The "top 20%" of men to women. > Top 20 of what? Fuckboys? Go ask women. Fact is, it says a hell of a lot when the top 20% of men, as perceived by women, are fuckboys. If they weren't the top 20% of men, they wouldn't be the most desired by women, Ie. they wouldn't be the ones who have the easiest time getting women. If women wanted personality, then the guys with personality would have the easiest time. If women wanted money, then the richest 20% of men would have the easiest time getting women…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:42 AM
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> Plenty of women do, but if a guy just want his dick wet, then the only thing he cares about is his erection. How do they show it? Do they show it in ways that are valuable to the man? or in ways that she thinks the man should value? > For example: Instagram. Most women dont post their nudes to instagram. Men just pay attention to the ones that do, because that's all he wants in life. Again, that's my point .A woman doesn't post nudes because she think men don't or shouldn't value nudes. But cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 12:11 AM
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The hate between the genders was technically instigated by women. Men objectified women first, then, women antagonized men and started objectifying men. The money issue is due to legislation. It's a reaction to a bias system that forces significant and unnecessary risk on men and has become stricter in the last 15 years.. Women have always considered income and income potential in their screening process. The age thing is, well, a result of women lying about their n-count. If there is no way for…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 11:49 PM
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Look, the truth of the matter is, if someone wants to feel special, or be special to someone else or that they aren't "just another person", then they need to show that they are special, and women don't do that. I mean, if it was women that needed this feeling of being special, and men are always going to see women as just another woman no matter what, then it would be women out there peacocking around and asking men out, not the other way around. The fact is, in order for women to see men as "s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 11:37 PM
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It's funny how this excuse is only used when it benefits women. But it's alright, this first world country treats women like children, too stupid to be held accountable for their own choices, to irresponsible to be able to pay the cost of their own decisions, and too incompetent to be able to make a living without the legislation giving their living. After all, if our society treats women like they are children, like they are stupid, irresponsible and incompetent, then it only makes sense that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 12:53 AM
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Of course they are, I get forced to do a great deal of things. Pay for single mothers through my taxes, pay for an educational system for other people's kids, pay for the women that get pregnant where I can't choose to abort, there's a lot of things that men get forced to do. A lot of women's decisions that legislation forces men to pay for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:13 PM
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I forget the exact statistics, but they are saying that around seventy to ninety percent of murderers and rapists come from single-mother homes. I believe that single mothers go to work and they don't have a babysitter at home and they have no supervision so maybe that's why they are so much more likely to commit a crime. This happens because women are not equipped to raise a child alone neither are men, and children were not made to be raised without both a mother and a father. This, in and of …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:41 AM
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I really believe there's no excuse to be a deadbeat father. This is one of the worst things you can do. No, I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. The worst thing that a human being can do is to lie about paternity. The worst thing that a human being can do is to choose to abort a child that the father wants or to not abort a child that the father doesn't. The worst thing that a human being can do is take away a person's right to choose to be a parent through fraud or entitlement. A man not paying …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:13 AM
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I saw a poll that said that the majority of men prefer to ask out and the majority of women prefer to be asked. I don't know about that. Polls are strange because often times they aren't done by statisticians and often times ask loaded questions to achieve a desired conclusion. You make it sound like most men have trouble getting girls. This really surprises me and I have trouble believing it. I would think it's 30% of men, not 80% How do I make it sound like most men have trouble getting women?…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:53 AM
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Plenty of people pay cleaners, waiters, fast food employees and other people in similar positions, but still think these positions are beneath them. Thinking that they are beneath them does not mean that they don't respect them. Think about our current state in this covid 19. Most people appreciate the fast food workers and cleaners and all the other "blue collar" positions who are doing their jobs during this time. How many of them would be proud to have a grown-up child working as a cashier in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:17 AM
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Speaking from friends and relatives that I know that are female, some of them have a ton of guys after them to the point they feel like a celebrity. And a again, that's a result of the market being starved. If your apply for a job, you expect 100s of people to apply. It's not that bad with women, but it's not like women are purposely making it hard. Some get a lot of applicants. Yeah, but a job has something to offer. You are applying for to do a job and get paid for it. Women aren't offering an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:49 AM
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Part 2: Not only that, but always being lied to about intentions. Only acting nice to a woman when she seems uninterested is another of trend the ladies online complain about. But, again, that's how women trained men to behave. Women treated sex as a commodity, and truth be told, women use sex as a weapon to get what they want very often. If women create that environment, then men will react to that environment in ways that women may not like. That's how it is. The truth is, as I previously disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 02:22 AM
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At times, at least a third of the women in a room are divorced due to abuse. It made me curious and abuse and I've read books on it. Abuse isn't rare like you think I didn't say it was rare, at least I don't think I did. I said the overwhelming majority of men don't abuse their wives, and I don't think there are statistics that say that 25% or 50% of men abuse their wives. At least none that I've read. And also, you gotta keep in mind that we are talking specifically about physical abuse. Not em…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 02:22 AM
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It's not the benefit, it's the fact that taking care of children and cleaning the house is something he could do but he doesn't want to because he knows that it is a tedious job that's worth less than whatever he's doing at the office. This is completely irrelevent in the concept of respect. I have a cleaner that comes around to clean my offices over the weekend, sure, I can do it myself. But I pay them to do it, does that mean I don't respect them? Does that mean I don't appreciate them? of cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 01:20 AM
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My sister wanted to be a stay at home mom. My in law and his family raised a stink about it and made her work. They didn't force her to do shit. They didn't tie her down or chain her to the house. They made a stink about it, so what? that's not forcing someone. hey got a divorce later on. He has custody of the kids and she pays him child support. I know a few women that pay alimony and child support. I know men who have partial custody who are really abusive. I don't think it's hard for men to l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 01:00 AM
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I did say why, you just had to read between the lines. Women's value has been reduced to being nothing more than a hole to fuck because they don't provide anything to men that men cannot obtain themselves other than a hole. And even that, is a benefit provided by legislation (ie. anti rape laws, which I wholeheartedly agree with, but it's a point to make). Women aren't providing men with their nurturing abilities for their children, as women are spending more time in the workplace, and children …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 12:14 AM
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You keep on inferring that I'm an incel. I'm not. I have a girlfriend. Me being an incel is your femfantasy, "bro", because you want to believe that people who don't have problems with women don't see the oppression in modern society. You want to minimze the perception of oppression to a few outliers. It's a wonderful fantasy you've got there, but I'm afraid it's not really original. In every case of oppression, the oppressors had that fantasy. White slavers would often tell black people how won…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 11:44 PM
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Post was too long, so this is the second half: I would concur. I can feel the personality from many men online and it's a disgusting one. Sure, but again, this isn't an issue that is only prevalent in men. The average woman's personality is equally as repugnant as the average man's. To sum up, A woman wants good sex, a good companionship, a good personality and many men can't even offer that. You need to finish that sentence. Women want those things WITHOUT having to earn it. That is what you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 11:42 PM
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A man may lose money. First of all, money is not "Just money". The average person spends a third to half of their lives working towards obtaining money. Money compensation for time and for knowledge. They aren't just being forced to give up money, they are being forced to give up a significant part their lives. The number one cause of death for a woman under 40 years older is murder by her SO Yeah, you are going to need to cite that. The only study I could find is from 28 years ago that stated t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 11:41 PM
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So, answer me this, did women respect men throughout history for the role that men played in protecting and providing for women? If they did, can you prove it? If they didn't, why should men have respected, or why should they respect people who don't respect them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 10:43 PM
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Just because a person receives a benefit, doesn't mean they don't respect the other person. Respect and selflessness are two very different things. > They have a nice house, a car and more than enough money to go on vacation. They don't sacrifice anything when they make a SAHM out of their wives, That's not true. As soon as they get married, if they live in the house after marriage, it becomes the matrimonial home and she owns half. They do sacrifice, and the very fact that men continue to get m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 10:41 PM
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When men oppressed women, women did not and do not react violently. We are more civil. It's not that you are more civil, it's that you couldn't react violently. What's a woman going to do without men around to protect her? Not much. Even in today's world, with police officers, women can't even defend themselves without men. Men are violent and if you enact violence you’ll just be another one we lock in a prison cell, and the world will keep spinning. Sure, one guy will go to prison and the world…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 10:38 PM
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Well, according to women, being forced to fuck people you dont find attractive is the epitome of human suffering. And, it is horrible considering the the fact that if she gets pregnant, the law requires men to pay for her decision to not abort. The risk of women to men has been artificially increased, so, yeah, being forced to fuck less attractive women means you are being forced to take on a high risk for a shit reward, which is horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 08:08 PM
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Society survived just fine before women's decisions were being paid for by men. I sure as hell hope it's just a revenge fantasy, I dont want my daughter or grand daughter to suffer for the decisions of the modern woman. But, we can already see the impacts. Public shootings and men checking out. And, since many woman respond to men with these problems the way you do, the amount of public shootings can only go up. I'd rather pay to house criminals then for the poor decisions of women. At criminals…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 07:14 PM
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No one said women cant get pregnant, as long as they pay for it themselves along with their husbands. No one cares about about women's pregnancies or abortion rights except for women, just like no one cares about mens problems except for men. The only difference is that women have more influence in the modern world than men do. That's why our society can force men to pay the costs of women's choices. Our society oppresses men, and we all know how oppression ends. Men will eventually use their ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:57 PM
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Pregnancy is as much "society" as men getting their dicks wet. The psychological effect of unfair legislation that results in the inequality weight of society's problems on men is a medical issue. And you are wrong. pregnancy does not mean no people. There are enough people on this planet, we can get immigrants to fill in the taxpayer requirement. Pregnancy is very much so a personal problem, not a societal problem. If you ignore every other thing I say, then answer this. How is funding a womans…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:48 PM
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Choosing to get pregnant is a you problem, yet society interferes and expect corporations and society to provide support for women. Abortion is a you and the guy you fucked problem, but society interferes. You cant say "society is not responsible for personal problems of people" when you live in a society that is heavily Involved in reallocating wealth to women for their personal choices. I can give you many examples where society compensates women for personal choices. You just have a problem w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:41 PM
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Please outline some publicly funded benefits that only men or boys have access to (and women do not qualify for on the virtue that they are women). Also, the parents of the modern child used those same benefits, so men have paid it forward, it's not their job to pay for other peoples children when they are being locked out of the gene pool and not being allowed to have children of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:35 PM
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You didn't ask me if I respected SAHM, you asked me if men throughout history respected SAHM. And I argued that men in history did, and proved that they did by their willingness to die in horrible ways to protect and defend the people that they valued and respected the most in their lives, which was their wives and their children. If you ask me if I respect stay at home moms in the modern western world? no, i don't. Because they don't choose to be SAHM's without expecting compensation for it, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:48 AM
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You know what an actual free market is, and I know what an actual free market is, but the average person uses the term "free market" as a synonym for laissez-faire. The OP made it clear that by "free market", they are defining a free market as a laissez-faire. Edit: also, discussing consent in the form of contract law is meaningless, sexual interactions are not contracts. THe concept of consent should not critical to defining, prosecuting and punishing rape because consent cannot be proven in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:35 AM
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I know what a dowry is, and the money wasn't intended as a price paid to take the daughter off the hands of the father. It was intended as a "starting point", something to help the man be able to provide the father's daughter with a household and a comfortable life. It isn't all that different then receiving wedding gifts in the modern world. What do you give for wedding gifts? I typically give money, usually more than what I expect my plate to cost, and the intention is to provide the couple wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:11 AM
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of course they did. That's why they gave them a house, food, protection, and, more generally, comforts. If men did not respect SAHM's, the concept of a dowry would not have exist, and women would have been treated as slaves, expected to do the work without getting anything in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:51 AM
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The truth of the matter, it's our fault. It's men's fault for allowing this to happen. As a gender, we gave up our lives to create a world where women could work, where women could live safely, and yes, we did make mistakes in how we treated women, but despite that, we ended up creating a world where women could show us where the mistakes are, and we, as men, ended up making an effort to fix those mistakes. I think we did pretty good, afterall, we are living in a world where women are able to li…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:44 AM
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Men aren't mistaking intimacy for sex. It's women who are mistakenly thinking that intimacy is as different from sex to men as it is to women. Men are not women. In the short term, solutions could include the legalization and removal of social stigma of prostitution. In the short term, legislation that benefits women by forcing men to pay for the consequences of women's decisions could be removed (ie. maternity leave, support for single mothers, bias in divorce laws etc etc). The removal of thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:17 AM
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Why would they appreciate single mothers? Unless they are widows (which, to be fair, most men do respect widows), single mothers are not SAHM's. They are leaches on society, expecting compensation from society for their own poor decisions. Men did respect the role of the SAHM. Men would respect the role of a SAHM, if marital law wasn't bias against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:08 AM
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I think that I would enjoy a conversation (6 feet apart, of course), with a nice bottle of scotch. But, I guess reddit will have to do. > It can only exist unilaterally. Take a look at this: Okay, that's fine. It can exist unilaterally, but, should it? Should only one group of people be held accountable for their decisions? And, in addition to that, should that group of people also be forced to be accountable for the decisions of others? Because ultimately, in our society, we force each other to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:43 AM
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> Something else that I learned from TRP is to be accountable. Accountable for my decisions, my actions, and - just as important - for how I react to life's events. And that's an incredible powerful message. The concept of accountability cannot exist unilaterally. You cannot expect men to be held accountable for their own lives, without also expecting women. In our society, we do not expect women to be accountable for their own lives. Think about maternity leave as the perfect example. Society f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:52 AM
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> So we have this "sexless" men problem. Of course these guess talk about sex but every-time we say get a prostitute they say the problem is love and intimacy . First of all, no one says "just get a prostitute", remember, prostitution is still illegal in the majority of the united states and canada. In fact, society has decided that these men should not get prostitutes. > But there's a reason these guys aren't getting a girlfriend. It's a free market hence very competitive. You are both the prod…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:33 AM
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But what you want doesnt matter, I tend to agree with you. The fact is that the equality of the genders is what society wants. If we dont want equality, then we need to apply that all across the board on a judicial level and political level. But that's not what's happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:06 PM
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See this is the problem, saying things like "sexual assault isnt the same between the genders" will allow the existence of an inherently sexist judicial system. If you want equality of the genders, at least in the eyes of the state, then crimes cannot be gender based.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 02:50 PM
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No, the study about the effectiveness of therapy for people of different gender. Do you really expect that a profession that is 70% women would do a study on the effectiveness of their profession on men? Come on now, from the few conversation I've from you, I know you are smarter than that. Maybe they've had that study scheduled in the back burner somewhere, but, ya know, they never did get around to doing it or funding it. Plus, I know that a lot of grown up men need their female relatives to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 03:23 AM
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Having mental problems is seen as unmasculine in general and going to a therapist kind of means that you admit that there is something wrong and you need help. And needing help is also seen as unmasculine. A lot of men prefer just to ignore their problems as long as it's possible and it isn't healthy at all. Having any kind of problem is unmasculine. That's why men visit doctors less than, but men still visit doctors. It's interesting to think that men will go to doctors when they are in physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 02:48 AM
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Studies showing what? That therapy isn't designed for men? Well, truth be told, when I wrote that comment, I haden't done any research, it's just based on my personal experience with a number of men that I've known that have gone to therapists. When you asked, I googled, and found this article as one of the top ones. Turns out, therapy for men isn't the same as therapy for women. And the usefulness of therapy is heavily dependent on the therapist and their gender, in addition to the gender of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 02:16 AM
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False accusations of DV are dwarfed by actual instances of DV. That's an argument that used to justify the disposability of men very often with women. "oh, actual instances of domestic violance is much higher than false accusations, therefore, we shouldn't talk about false accusations. We feel bad for the men that suffer but oh well". " "oh, actual instances of rape is much higher than false accusations, therefore, we shouldn't talk about false accusations. We feel bad for the men that suffer bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 11:03 PM
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I agree that it's not obvious, but to me that seems like a problem whose solution is to help people figure out better how therapy can help them, to give more resources on how to find, use, and make the most of therapy, especially on how to find masculine-friendly or masculine-focused therapy, not just to give up on the whole thing. And I disagree with you on that. We can't and shouldn't put the burden on people who need help to identify what kind of help they need and who they should go to. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 08:54 PM
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Yeah, it's interesting, but the article discusses an inherent flaw. -Amazon’s computer models were trained to vet applicants by observing patterns in resumes submitted to the company over a 10-year period. Most came from men, a reflection of male dominance across the tech industry. it doesn't show that men are objectively better matches for the job, instead, that men's resumes are a closer match to resumes of previously hired employees, which, due to the industry (tech) has historically primaril…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 08:25 PM
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Edit, I wanted to add to my previous comment as i Forgot to address the : > And not hiring women because they MIGHT have kids in the future is still a form of discrimination. Line. That is a consequence of legislation. If I hire jack, and jack comes up to me 3 years later and tells me that he needs 6 weeks off for a personal decision, I could replace jack, no problems, no issues. If I choose to not replace jack for his personal decision, and jack comes back from his time off to be less productiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 08:21 PM
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no, I didn't. That's actually interesting. Do you have a link?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 08:17 PM
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> Do you have statistics though? Yeah, the statistics are the suicide rates. > If something is not working, you have to tell the therapist it's not working, or else they can't help. It's like going to the doctor and asking them to help, but not telling them what hurts. Except with doctors, they have ways of being able to tell. They can do an x-ray to see if you have a broken bone. Or other tests to determine the problem even if you can't tell them what hurts. And that's the problem, it's like I …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 08:15 PM
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I don't know. For the long term, maybe implementing in the educational curriculum a program that teaches girls how to treat men, maybe teaching them to approach more, and how to deal with rejecting men who they aren't interested in. By teaching women to approach more, it will create more options for men, it will put less of a responsibility on men, and will affect their mental health less considering that they wouldn't be the sole recipient of rejection in the SMP. Women underestimate the effect…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 07:59 PM
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> Women work fewer hours because they spend more time on childcare than men do. If parenting was shared more equally, then women would work more hours. And that's not the coporations problem. That doesn't mean that corporations discriminate against women. From the corporation's point of view, it justified to choose to hire men because women work less when they have kids. If women want corporations to hire them, then they shouldn't have kids, or they shouldn't spend that much time on child care. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 07:51 PM
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> These quotas exist to combat the ACTUAL discrimination against women. There is no discrimination. there is a hiring discrepency between men and women, and it's explained. Children have been proven to affect women's productivity in the workplace more steeply than it does men's. From the companies perspective, they don't want to pay in productivity for women's personal choice to have children. It's logical, and completely justified. If you combine it with the fact that women are higher risk in c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 07:19 PM
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> TRP on the other hand promotes the idea that Men Are Wonderful, or at least better than women. Of course, many RPillers deny this and say that TRP just fights the WAWE, but there is a lot of evidence that they do promote the idea that men are kinder and overall better and superior. We see this all the time. Eh, It not so much promotes a "men are wonderful" concept, more of a "women are not wonderful, and you, as a man, don't need to aspire to be what women are despite that is what society tell…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 06:57 PM
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> As a guy who went to therapy to help with recovering from an abusive relationship, I disagree. For each one story where therapy helped one man out, there are thousands of stories that it didn't. I'm happy it helped you out, but it doesn't help out the average man. > If your therapist is trying to force solutions on you that don't work, either they're a shit therapist, or you're a shit client for not telling them what does or doesn't work. It's their job to identify what the patient needs and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 06:19 PM
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I'm not convinced this is their issue since prostitution is legal in places incels exist. I didn't say to simply legalize prostitution, I said to legalize it and remove the stigma around it. Those are two very different things. On top of that, outside of PPD when reading on the topic sex workers have reported these meek and horny guys making arrangements to meet just to flip out and call them whores in person and block them from leaving. Sex workers also report getting flooded with either calls …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:59 PM
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That's because in most of those places, the stigma around prostitution is not addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:49 PM
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I know enough about therapy to know to never recommend it to any man. As I've said, those approaches are all studied and taken from the female mindset. The range of effectiveness of different methods of therapy is more applicable to women then men because all the different methods aren't designed for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:48 PM
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Again, all of these are approached from the female mindset. Look, the numbers speak for themselves, when men would rather commit suicide rather then go to therapy, it tells you how useful therapy is to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:44 PM
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Read your own article, even it discusses the biases and misuse of divorce court. THe first one states: "She said she was hearing of "too many cases" where "parents are using domestic violence to stop the other parent from seeing their children". That's the norm. "Women's legal groups and family violence advocacy groups have rejected Senator Hanson's characterisation of the Family Court as discriminating against fathers and rewarding mothers for lying about sexual and physical abuse." Then it say…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:33 PM
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Meh, I don't think therapy is a joke. I think people need to talk about their problems, and there aren't a lot of ways for them to do that outside of therapy. I think talking about problems is more of a female need than a male need to be honest with you. I think men need solutions and action, not talk. That's why we often hear women say things like "i just want you to listen, I don't want you to solve my problem". Men aren't wired that way, if I am talking about my problem, it's because I need a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 06:06 AM
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I'm 5'6".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 06:03 AM
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Therapy isn't meant to help men, it's meant to help women. It's designed to help women. And I'm not saying professional therapists are brainwashed, I said they aren't trained to handle problems from the male mindset. It's like going to a business lawyer to handle your divorce. At the end of the day, women and society need to understand that they need to do their part to help the men in our society. Going to therapy clearly isn't useful to men. You can't force female solutions on men. Men aren't …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 06:01 AM
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The chances of college paying off is significantly higher than the chances of going to the gym will pay off, and college is significantly less work than being fit would be to the average guy. I go to the gym 5 days a week, and eat nothing but vegetables and fruits, and my opportunities with women went up only marginally, when compared to when I was overweight. Actually, if I only went to the gym to increase my chances with women, I wouldn't go to the gym at all. It isn't worth it to not eat the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 05:43 AM
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Yeah, but those male therapists are trained to deal with problems from the female mindset. Just because they are men doesn't mean they are trained to provide therapy to men. And the only therapists that you will find that are effective at providing men therapy are ones who are usually out of the price range of the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 05:31 AM
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I know there are those that work with them, but again, that entire profession is trained to deal with the female mindset. There are some high-end therapists that would be helpful to men, but those therapists are usually out of the price range of the average man. I've known a few men who went to therapy, none of them got the help they wanted or needed, and one guy ended up committing suicide. If anything, most of them felt worse about their situation after going to a therapist than before. The fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 05:15 AM
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> For men of quality, the answer lays in altruism. I agreed with you up until this point. No, not altruism. For men of quality, they will manage solidarity and fight for their benefit. Maybe they will fight to pay less taxes, why should they pay to fund an educational system that they will never have kids who need, or why should they support single mothers when they will never be a parent themselves. Men of quality will accept solidarity and insist on society allowing them their solidarity, even…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:56 AM
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Therapists don't help because they are trained to deal with these problems from the female mindset, not the male mindset. The average man doesn't benefit from seeing a therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:51 AM
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Men aren't at the gym because it's not a guarantee. The men that want to be fit are at the gym, because they want it. Those that don't, aren't, and people generally don't do things they don't want to do for a potential benefit. If I told you to work in a mine for 2 hours a day for the next X number of years, and one day, you might get paid for that work, but no guarantee, would you do it? Plus, there's the difference between the women that these men would want after working out daily (keep in mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:05 AM
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I didn't have a ministerial connection. We did the investigation, we submitted the investigation, and we get a call from an agent telling us they are reviewing the investigation. By "dealt with", I didn't mean I worked with them, I meant, I responded to the agent. Provided them with whatever they asked for, answered their questions, etc etc. Look, you can keep doubting me, and I don't think there's anything that I can say that would make you believe me because you clearly have your own biases in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:47 AM
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See, I think you've got it backwards. you need to really understand the difference between how society treats men, vs how society treats women. Take the crying comment, as an example. A woman who cries will often times have people who come to ask her if she's okay, if she needs help, etc etc. A man who cries is usually ignored. That's why men don't see sadness as a useful emotion. Yet, despite that, the fact is that men do get sad. For whatever issue they have, they do get sad first. Those incel…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:41 AM
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So, relying on your honesty here, you have never had a one night stand?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:30 AM
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The only guys who don't think like this are the guys who have to put in too much effort for the next pussy. Those guys aren't exactly high on Women's "attractive" scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:29 AM
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Cite what? You want citation to specific laws? Your laws are going to depend on where you live. But, the fact is we all know that the way the law is practiced and the way it's written are two very different things. Look at divorce court, abortion laws and rape accusations as examples and yeah, workplace sexual harassment accusations fall in this exact same category. The way the law is practiced is bias towards women. Believe whatever you want, but the fact is this, as senior management, I've dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:13 AM
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I was passed out drunk and woke to a woman kissing me, then when I opened my eyes, turns out she was having sex with me. What is that? Rape? harassment? oh wait, no , that's not anything cause I"m a guy and she's a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 02:53 PM
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Men evolved to find rape just as horrific as women, it's just in the last half a century or so, the definition of rape has basically become "a man looking in the general direction of a woman", so it's been watered down to basically nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 02:51 PM
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Men are physically stronger,but we can't use our physical strength against women who are committed sexual harassment against us. What are we supposed to do, punch them in the face? Kick them in the groin?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 02:49 PM
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> Again, who cares? Does her harassment lead to anything dangerous? But neither does most cases of male on female sexual harassment or rape. So a guy pinches your bum as you are dancing at a club, not like he pulled out a gun and threatened you. And most cases of rape aren't physically threatening. If you base sexual harassment based on if it leads to anything dangerous, then you are implying that a guy fucking a woman who is passed out drunk isn't rape because it doesn't lead to anything danger…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 02:47 PM
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But, women shouldn't be in control of the dynamic situations that result in harassment or rape? you are telling me that women shouldn't control how much they drink when they are at a party with completely random strangers? Come on man, treat women like adults, they want to be treated like adults, so do that. If you want men to be in control of dynamic situations that could result in them getting harassed or rape, then expect the same from women. If you look at rape and sexual harassment, there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 02:43 PM
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If you don't turn around and say it's their fault too, and they do it too, then you end up with a society that puts the responsibility on men to police other men and protect women, by law. Think about the ridiculously stupid concept of consent. Men don't want that, so they remind women and society that women do the exact same things to men, that way, women don't throw responsibility on men without accepting responsibility themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 02:39 PM
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Wait, are you moderating a response to your own comment. This sub is such a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 02:37 PM
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Actually, according to the ministry of labor, essentially, the person being accused basically committed whatever he was accused of, unless he was at home or something. It's because most governments and most of these complaints are a "he made me feel" accusation, which you can't investigate and you can't prove. So the company just acts like he was guilty and treats him like he is to keep the ministry off their back.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 02:06 PM
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We worked in an open office where everyone sees and hears everything. But the truth is, I would like to believe that some people on this planet still belief in the concept of "the person who makes the accusation has to provide proof" and not "the person who is accused has to provide proof that the interaction didnt take place" I quit from those places because as soon as something like that happens, it changes the work environment. And I didnt want to work in an environment where I had to walk on…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:18 PM
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It's funny, I've heard those words 2 times. 1 time, the HR person was like "I know it's bs, she's just upset you got promoted, but I have to file a report. Please don't quit". I quit before that meeting was done. The second time, I was so blindsided, it came outa nowhere and it was just because I had to make a choice between her idea and another team members idea, who was a guy. I called in all the women in the office other than the one that made the accusation, one by one, and asked them to tel…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 05:07 AM
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Yeah, he's done that. He gets the "it's not in the best interest of the child because the change would be to dramatic, so, [mommy] please stop hitting your child" bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 04:24 AM
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Why is it less plausible? Women stew in shit for YEARS.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 03:55 AM
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Pretty big bet to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 03:35 AM
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> That actually does not matter, Except it does matter. > The more resistance she gives, all the more reason to be suspicious. Or, she resists, but you end up doing the test, turns out the child is yours. She never lets it go, it becomes the seed of unhappiness for her in the marriage. That seed grows, and a couple years later, she files for divorce. By that time, you have already established a bond with your child, and the court takes that child away from you and forces you to continue paying f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 03:24 AM
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Most of my high value assets, including my condo and my investments, is owned by a family trust which I established and which my father, sister I are the beneficiaries of and have equal control over. I made it for more than just me disappearing, it was a part of the process when I wrote my will. I have a retirement account for my dad there. I'm 30, and I wrote my will at 23, better have this stuff done early, just in case. The trust was actually set up more to avoid the ridiculous charges that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 03:19 AM
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Why would I come back to the country? The cost of starting a new life is significantly less than the cost of paying for a child that I don't want or isn't mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:42 AM
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That's interesting. I know men who have used their life savings, sold every asset they have, to pay for lawyers to fight to get custody of their their own kids, who the mothers physically abuse, and the court didn't budge. I mean, I know one guy who is literaly in fear for his sons life, and the court doesn't care. She keeps the child, and the father is forced to watch see his son cry and the bruises on him every week.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:39 AM
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Yeah, I used to. Honestly. I used to be the guy that would try really hard to not be the trademarked "nice guy", and just be myself. I asked a few of my female friends out, and I got turned down, no matter how hurt I was, I tried to remember that it wasn't fair to her for her to lose a friend that she cared about because of how I feel. When we went to parties, I'd pay attention to what was going on, if a guy consistently followed a female friend and I suspected that she didn't want to talk to hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:37 AM
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I disagree that the expectations being raised i this case isn't healthy. It's about as healthy as the sexual revolution was for women. Men SHOULD have higher expectations. And women SHOULD be expected to step up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:22 AM
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No, I'm sorry, but that's not true. The court doesn't recognize that as true, they can take away your youngest daughter in the case of a divorce without giving a shit about your "bond". Your bond is meaningless, it's what you tell yourself, and how women want men to think so that they can be cucked easier. If she isn't biologically yours, and you don't know that she isn't biologically yours, she isn't yours. She's just some random kid. You might as well go to africa and adopt a kid, at least the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:18 AM
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So, wait, you the father or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:13 AM
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Who cares what the courts say? It's not like the court isn't going to be biased against me when I file for divorce. Fuck, I wouldn't even file for divorce. I've set up an account with a large amount of money in a country outside the jurisdiction of the country that no one knows about. LIke, no one. It's for if one of my "ONS" says "i'm pregnant and i'm keeping the baby". Oki doki, I'm gunna go and .....uh.....buy a pack of smokes.....now". when I get married, I'm doing the paternity test, shady …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:11 AM
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Women would see an "opt in" option as mistrust and it would lead to broken marriages. It's better for it to be a standard, so ever man knows no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:07 AM
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I would have fucking killed her. I was forced to spend whatever number of years in enslaved against my choice, at least this time, I would have chosen to go to prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:05 AM
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Except, you can't be certain that your partner didn't cheat. No man can, unless they do a paternity test. A video game will keep you entertained for what? a year at the most? Paternity fraud costs men decades and tens of thousands of dollars.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:02 AM
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I don't want my tax dollars going towards paying for women's choice to be single mothers. But that's not how taxes work. You absolutely should be forced to pay for a paternity test for your own child, why wouldn't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:01 AM
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I don't think that knowing the child is yours can or should be labeled a "luxury", I think it's a basic human right. Look, the fact is, we as a society, don't and shouldn't make decisions based on what's "detrimental to society". If that was the case, a person murdering a man who raped his daughter would be okay. After all, what benefit does that rapist provide to society from that point on? Rotting in jail and sucking tax dollars? There would be more divorces, less marriages, but that's it. I m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 01:59 AM
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Yeah, I mean men do get turned on by visuals, I don't think anyone can doubt that. And, it's interesting you bring it up, because there were times when I felt turned off by very attractive women taking their clothes off. I was turned on when she was in lingerie, but as soon as it came off, I became less turned on. The mystery was kinda gone. I mean, I would explain it like hunger. I can walk around a food court all day, if I wasn't hungry, an amazing looking dish might make me hungry, but eventu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 01:50 AM
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Best case scenario for who? Being on all the time isnt the best case scenario for men because women don't do anything to make it worth it. Relationships and marriages take work, but women appear to believe that all of that work needs to be done by men. Let me ask you, what do women do, or what do women accept that they have to do, in order to make a relationship or a marriage work that is proactive and not reactive in nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 02:38 PM
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It's funny, A friend of mine and I would go out to bars, often times the ones with the best food because, well, we like good food. Anyway, this one time, we go to this place that was very highly rated. It was expensive, like $65 for a main, not at all the kind of place you expect people to behave promiscuous. Like, suits and fancy dress kinda place. After we ate, we went to sit at the bar, talked to a few people, , ya know, regular shit. This random woman comes up to me and goes like "I want you…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:30 AM
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Well, when I was younger I was very "blue pill", didn't work out for me. I think started acting "RP", in just so many ways. I learned that treating women like shit was actually attractive to women. But, the people around me, they didn't get it. The guys around me that couldn't get laid, they didn't believe me when I told them to just treat women like shit, women are attracted to that. I was just astonished. Then, I started going on Reddit, and every once in a while, someone would mention the red…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 04:45 AM
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This is my exact experience in the various different workplaces I've been to. I'll never forget this one woman taking a day off because her cat was sick. What a fucking joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 04:27 AM
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It's always the guy's fault, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 04:26 AM
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What? men admit to that all the time. Their frustration doesn't come from the fact that women have more power than men, it comes from the fact that society denies men their natural sexual power, while continues to allow women to have their sexual power. I'm not arguing for rape here, but think about it, naturally speaking, nature gave men the ability to obtain sex whenever they wanted by using their superior physique. But society denies them that, which is, of course, the right thing to do. Then…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 04:22 AM
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> Jesus what kind of people have you been dating? What kind of people have I been dating? What? What kind of people have YOU been dating. I don't know a single man, and have never known a man who does not clean. Holy shit, honestly, most of my friends are significantly cleaner than their girlfriends and their wives. I've been out with my guy friends and they go like "what the fuck man, how did she not know to not use pine sol on real hardwood floors". Me, I love to cook and I'm a fairly clean pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 04:02 AM
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You simply do not understand the give and take of relationships and the maintenance of a long relationship Look, I think YOU don't understand what the words "give and take" mean in the context. Did I say they need to be ON all the time? Of course you did. You said you wanted the man to treat the woman the way he was treating her at the start of the relationship. That means you want him to be "on" all the time. You're proving my point that men do think it's unrealistic to continue emotional effor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 03:35 AM
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I date many gen z woman, they have never done it. Most of my friends date many gen z women, none of them have ever had a woman plan or pay for a date. Women simply do not do i.t
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 03:21 AM
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Do women have any idea how much effort dating is for men? Like seriously, can women even fathom it? The effort into dating is worth sex at the start of the relationship, because the sex is new, when the sex becomes old, the value of sex decreases. You want a guy to constantly be thinking about how to "show affection" in ridiculous ways, and the woman to give him 15 minutes of sex a couple times a week. I mean think about it, if a guy cooks you a rissoto and prepares some wine, the first time, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 03:19 AM
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No, they really really don't. Maybe once, in the dozens of women that I've been dates with, once, a woman planned it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 03:09 AM
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Look, the fact is, Men don't want to be "on" all the time. They don't want to peacock their whole lives. They do it when they are young to get pussy and because it was fun, by their mid to late 20's, they get tired of it. So, they peacock to get into a relationship. After that's done, they stop doing it, because they are tired of it. If they wanted to be "on" their entire lives, they'd continue doing it to different women and get different pussy, instead of just the one. Women, on the other hand…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 03:07 AM
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Everyone's a man on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 01:17 AM
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It's less likely that RP men who had poor relationships with their mothers resulted in them viewing women negatively as they became adults due to a not having a female role model, and more likely that men who have poor relationship with their mothers just meant that the most authoritative female figure in a man's life never got a chance or desire to brainwash them at the most vulnerable stages of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 01:11 AM
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You sound like a woman pretending to be what you think the average man feels.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 01:05 AM
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The marriage rates have been consistently decreasing over the last few decades. And most men date because they want pussy and get tired of peacocking for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 01:00 AM
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It has nothing to do with RP, it's a result of women not having anything of value to offer men. The men that don't think that way are very small minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 12:57 AM
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Can we just conclude that men desire to be with a woman more than the other way around? And you are right, I don't try to prove my value to men, somehow they are still interested Men want pussy, they don't want all the baggage that comes around the pussy. So if you don't need a hole - than good for you. Don't demand women to change and start offering "something of value" to you I'm not asking for women to change and offer something of value to me. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of women e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 12:47 AM
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By stepping up I mean working on yourself as a human being so that people want to hang with you. As a human being, most men on TRP, and most men in general, have friends. They have a job, people desire to be around them and to have them in their lives. It's just for a growing number of men, women don't desire to have them in their lives in the romantic sense. See, I get where you are coming from. YOU, as a woman, never grew up in a world where you had to actually provide something to a man to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 12:21 AM
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Yeah, I mean, as a country, they have human rights problems, no doubt about it. But, the dynamic between the genders is very different over there, and that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 12:13 AM
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hose are the people that will be paying for your social security benefits and MediCare when you are old and disabled. But, that's just the narrative. The fact is, society doesn't need any more children being born. The taxes paid by those children can easily, and I mean EASILY, be replaced by immigrants. CHild birth isn't important at all, and the government knows this. The only reason why the government implemented these things is because women pushed for it, and women antagonized governments fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 12:11 AM
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So, you expect to get reliability from them and their time, sounds like you expect a lot from your friends. Weren't you the one that said in your prior post that men need to "step up their game and offer something to women"? Sounds to me like you are being hypocritical. You want men, and expect men, to offer something that YOU define as having value, but in return, you want men to value you based on what YOU believe men should value you for. You can'thave it both ways, either you value men for w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 12:02 AM
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Yeah, but that's india. I've heard that too, and truth be told, IF (and it's a pretty big fucking "if") it's practiced as often as our western media portrays, then yeah, that's a problem. HOWEVER, I have never been to india, and have never personally spoken to men and women there, I have, however, been to the middle east (I've been to jordan, lebonan, syria and UAE) and I've spoken to hte people there. Actually, the funny thing is, one of the women I spoke with, I had to ask her cause it was suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 11:59 PM
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What do you mean? You work right? One day you want to have kids right? you expect your corporation to hire you back after you are "ready" to come back, no? Do you know about the WIC program? look it up, it's federal money to women in specific situations, the eligibility requires that you are a woman. Men don't qualify. You are paying less taxes than the average man because you, as a woman, could potentially qualify for benefits than the average man would. That's how it works. Did you get divorce…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 11:52 PM
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Sure, you can feel that way about men, but don't forget, it's not men who have forced the government to force corporations to hire women back after women make the personal decision to get pregnant. Don't forget that, that's important. That's symoblizes what women expect, and it's like women saying "hey, I'm a woman, and I know that this is not how things work, but I demand that you force them to work this way to cater to me and my personal decisions". > Why should grown ass adults complain about…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 11:26 PM
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You don't have to be sorry, I know how the middle east is perceived in the west. Now, personally, I don't really care, and I thought the same things as you based on how the media, and feminism portray the middle east. Which is why I was shocked when I actually went there and had conversations with these random men and women. Like I said, it was surreal. The truth is, men over there are often more disrespectful to random women, but significantly more respectful towards their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 11:14 PM
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Sure would. He'd stay, he'd pump and dump, then leave when's done using the women in this country.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 11:11 PM
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They don't want to not provide, they don't want to be SAHD, cleaning and making sure the wife has a hot meal to come home to. Men want women to earn an income because of the bias marital laws, and because of the dual income requirement in our economy, which was created by women entering the workforce and increasing the availability of disposable income, resulting in the increase of prices to match. There is a difference between what a person wants, and what a person is forced to accept. Men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:12 PM
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good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:59 PM
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No, the overwhelming majority of men, and I mean the OVERWHELMING majority of men don't want that. Exceptions are not the the standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:58 PM
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Of course, I'm not talking about defining other people's marriage. I'm talking about the viewpoint of marriage that women have in that part of the world. Women's views over there are significantly closer to men's views on marriage, even when comparing those views to men in the west. Over here, women's definition of "define my marriage" is closer to "i do what I want, and he does the rest". It's not the same over there. I do find it funny about you saying that two adults have every right to "defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:56 PM
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I'm not trying to sell anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:52 PM
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Men believe that people have roles to play, men, women whatever. And truthfully, women believe that too. The difference is that women believe that they have the right to define their roles, and ignore the roles that they need to play. Women are like a child who is playing a role in a play about cowboys, but insists on acting like his character travels through transporters instead of horses, and insists that the entirety of the play and all the other actors cater to what they want. We can't do wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:45 PM
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If the only people who stayed in western countries stayed because they loved how western countries "do it", then the country would be exclusively women. Look, the fact is, the same could have been said to women in the 50's. If you don't like how you are treated, go to a different country. But it wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 04:53 PM
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Absolutely, and that's what I mean. Women respect their husbands over there, and husbands respect their wives. It's funny, we in the west think that women over there are so oppressed, that they get beaten by their husbands day in and day out. The women over there laughed at that so hard. The fact is, it is true, some women over there do get abused, but some women in the west also get abused. The average man over there doesn't beat their wife at all. I will say one thing though. The young women s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 04:49 PM
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Elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 04:42 PM
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My family came from one of those countries, and I've thought about going back there a lot.I mean, I've gone back to visit a few times, and honestly, men AND woman seemed to be happier over there in terms of the overall SMP I remember being in Jordan with my GF at the time, and we met some people and were talking, and this whole topic of women's rights came up, and the responses that these gave, I mean, they were hard core traditionalist. They said things like "we respect our selves enough to not…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 04:34 PM
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Look,honestly, this has been an interesting conversation. I appreciate the fact that you kept it civil, I'm not sure if I'm going to be responding any more. I think I've had enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:49 AM
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You brought up very specific and personal situations and due to your phrasing you showed resentment for women based on your experiences. At the end of it, you said that talking about this makes you want to commit suicide. I did. And it's a surprise that anyone who can acknowledge that this the way men are treated in our society, can still sit there and say "oh, men just need therapy to help them manage their emotions". It's like saying "oh, the woman who was raped just needs therapy, no need to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:15 AM
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So you can learn how to manage your feelings and handle them in a healthy productive manner and be a better person for yourself. From that rant I could tell that you don't know how to process your emotions on that topic effectively, How can you tell that? We were having a discussion about why society should get rid of benefits for personal choices. That rant was about showing you that men are treated like adults in society. That men are forced and expected to sacrifice more than women, in order …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:47 AM
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Maybe. But why? so a therapist can give me drugs so that my mind get so cloudy and I get docile, and not notice the repugnant treatment of men by women and society? I watched my friend go through therapy and take the drugs that they gave him, you know where he is? He's dead. no thanks, I'm good. Might as well jump into a human size meat grinder. Look, the fact is, this is what men go through. And I haven't seen or heard a woman rebute that. It's indisputable that marital law is biased, it's indi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:17 AM
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Yeah, you are right, it was a little dramatic, wasn't it. But the fact is, the suicide rates haven't changed from 1950's to now. And that is something to consider. I mean, think about it, men in the 50's grew up in the depression, they fought in the war, they watched their friends get torn to shreds by clouds of bullets and bombs, it's expected for men who survived those times to be deeply deeply traumatized, and to commit suicide. Yet, the next generation of men, I mean all that stuff you liste…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:40 PM
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Uh, as far as I could see, the oldest records start in the 1950's. So, that's after men shouldering the responsibility of 2 world wars and a great depression in between. After half a century of being burdened to physically protect and financially support women in the hardest conditions imaginable, you would imagine that the suicide rate for men would go down in the second half of the century, I mean after all, there was what? Vietnam? The cold war? a couple of mild recessions? All of which were …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 10:13 PM
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Or maybe it's because a very large portion of society (women) support a very prominent and influential social movement (feminism) that antagonizes men, calls them toxic, and treats them like deffective women while simultaneously forcing them to shoulder the risk, cost and consequences of both their own choices and the personal choices of all women in that society
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:13 PM
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Not all rape victims can abort But the majority can. Like I said, we can't discuss the exceptions, we can only discuss the majority. Laws and rules need to be based on the majority, not the minority. Technically victims of domestic abuse chose their partners, but they didn't consent to the abuse their partners dealt to them. Of course they did. What? Most domestic abuse doesn't start after a marriage, most domestic abuse starts before that, so the woman was free to leave whenever she wanted. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 05:51 PM
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I don't think that you realize that "many" does not equate to "the majority". Single moms widows are a different story, and I think everyone on this sub agrees. They didn't choose to become single moms. Victims of rape could have chosen to abort. Victims of domestic abuse chose abusive partners. The point is that the system should not be paying for people's personal choices, and right now, it does, but only for women's personal choices and not men's. > what are the statistics for the contributio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:17 PM
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10%.Look, If I paid 10% less in taxes, I'd have significantly more money than I do. Look, I'm not going to argue against benefits paid to seniors, why would I? They didn't choose to get old. The only argument that I have is that they should have planned for their retirement better. But single moms, well, single moms chose to be single moms. She chose the men to fuck, she chose to not have an abortion, she chose. Why is any portion of my income going towards paying for the consequences of these w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:08 PM
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What does benefits for the wealthy or interest subsidy have to do with benefits that are funded by everyone, but can only ever be claimed by one group of people? Every person, man or woman, has the potential to become wealthy, and every person has the potential to be able to buy a house. We won't all be wealthy, we won't all buy houses, but there is a a possibility that we, as individuals, will, and when we do, we will be entitled to those benefits just like the rich and homeowners are. But, men…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:02 PM
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Oh, is that right. SO, what you are saying is, if they both choose to have sex, she can't choose to abort, or not abort, in the case that he wants the baby and she doesn't? Because society allows her to abort, but not him. We are discussing the choice to abort. They don't both have the same choice, and because they don't have the same choice, they shouldn't both have the same responsibility. Men shouldn't be forced to pay for women's choices. Give men the right to abort which is the same choice …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:47 AM
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But, she isn't responsible for the choice to let him orgasm inside her?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:40 AM
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You admitted yourself you’re a liar. But, so did you. The overs majority of women are not boring Again, believe what you want to believe. The fact is that the majority of women are boring. If a woman says every man tang tries to talk to her is ugly, does that make it objectively true that all or the overwhelming majority of men are ugly? No, because those are the men that are talking to her. If she says "every man I see is ugly" then that means to her, men aren't attractive. If you find someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:37 AM
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Most people would have demoted those “friends” to acquaintances if its necessary to see them, or dropped them all together. You’ve done neither so something isn’t adding up here. I guess they are acquaintances, now that you mention it. Like I said, I only see them in group settings. Look, all you are doing is calling me a liar, believe what you want to believe, but the truth is, the overwhelming majority of women are simply boring. You tell me, why do you think it’s so hard to believe? I honestl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 03:55 AM
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And men complain about every single one of those lies and have no sympathy for women who participate in those lies and sometimes women as a whole because of that Just like women like you who complain about men lying. There’s no difference all are lies with the intent to deceive to your benefit. You’re lying to get what you want out of someone else. And there absolutely is a difference. Look, it's like you said, you lie, so you arguing this point makes you a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 03:48 AM
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The very fact that this conversation began due to a belief that it’s okay to blame female victims which benefits the male rapist, is proof enough that victim-blaming isn’t something that’s only acceptable to do to men. If you feel that blaming victims of rape is valid because of an injustice towards men, then it begins to sound like your belief is coming from anger and a sense of retribution. Neither are healthy positions to base life or opinions on. It's not anger. We as people, need to assess …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 03:42 AM
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But women DO lie about it. They lie about their looks, they lie about their n-counts, they lie about paternity. Paternity is the only issue here, because that lie is fraud and not superficial, and it results in men wasting their lives and money raising and paying for another man's child. There's a difference between saying "i want a relationship" when I actually want sex, and saying "this is your baby, you need to pay child support for the next 18 years" when the baby isn't his. There's a differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 03:03 AM
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Beyond this in what way? I simply said that lying is fine when men do it to obtain sex, just like wearing makeup is fine when women want to obtain sex/relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:53 AM
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You definitely do or you probably do other intimate things that you don’t consider sex. But, I'm telling you that we don't. I don't go to their houses when it's just me and them, and I don't let them come to my house when it's just them and me. I've hung out with them in the past in that way, a long time ago, and we hung out the same way I would hang out with my guy friends. I drank beer (they often drank wine), and we just chilled. Sometimes we watched movies, other times we talked. It's just w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:50 AM
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Okay, so you are saying that if women wearing make up is okay, which to you it is, since by refusing to answer the question of whether or not you wear or have ever worn make up, I have to assume you have worn it, then it's okay for men to lie for similar purposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:43 AM
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Sure, of course we can agree on that. But the point is, in our modern world, it is acceptable to blame victims of rape or, really, victims of a number of crimes, so long as the victims are men, and the people who benefit are women. We can fight for change, but until the change happens, if we don't behave in the way that is acceptable to society now, we will end up losing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:39 AM
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I didn't say they were my friends, I said most women I met. There's a difference between people you meet and people that are your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:35 AM
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I never fucked them. I told you, I don't fuck girl friends, I fuck girls that aren't in my social circle. I'm not offended by people finding me boring, I'm just baffled at the concept that it's logical to you that people want to chill, one on one, with someone they find boring. Or that it's logical to you, that a guy can randomly meet so many random women that are boring and chucking it off to "well, you chose to meet them". It's like having someone steal money from your bank account and the ban…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:34 AM
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Not having money during mat leave is not a crime. Berating a woman verbally is not a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:28 AM
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OKay awesome, so we are in agreement that both men and women lie, and that it's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:27 AM
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That's interesting. Most of the women I've met tell me that they hate their girl friends because it's all superficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:26 AM
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It's according to your logic too, if you wear or have ever worn make up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:23 AM
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I told you I don't go alone, one on one, anywhere with my female friends. Sometimes, my female friends want to order delivery for lunch or dinner and just chill at my place or her place, which again, I don't do, but they still ask. But you're right, the reason why they want to hang out with me alone, at my place or their place, is because they find me extremely boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:22 AM
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Okay, so you are saying that having an emotional connection with their partners isn't a need for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:20 AM
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OOkay there, so you are a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:19 AM
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Wow, you certainly have interesting ideas to say that every random woman I meet is boring because I chose to meet her. I mean shit. I mean, I can't speak about my friends, we've been friends for 12 years, and the women very often ask me to go for lunches or dinner alone. I mean, I guess they could find me boring, doesn't make any sense why they would want to spend alone time with me though. But ya know, women logic isn't logical at all, much like your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:18 AM
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You didn't answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:14 AM
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SO, you don't wear make up at all, and never have?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:13 AM
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Funny how you classify "emotional connection", which is what women get out of intimacy as a "need" without also classifying sex, which is what men get out of intimacy a need. Sex is not a need for women, just like an emotional connection is not a need for men. If emotional connection is a need for women, then sex is a need for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:13 AM
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no the don't what? I said superficial lies are okay, because both genders do it. Women wear make up to be more attractive to men, men say things to be more attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:11 AM
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If we are going to try to stop blaming victims, well shit, our society has a lot of changing to do. Everything from paternity fraud, to men's right to abort, I mean, that's a lot. Are you sure you don't want to continue to blame victims? I'm all for stopping, but it wouldn't be beneficial to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:09 AM
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So, you are telling me, that every woman I met from highschool until now. So, that's highschool, university, 3 workplaces, all the bars I've been to, the dating apps (I never used them much but I did use them), all the women I've met by going city after city performing in various venues with the number of bands I've been in playing different kinds of music (from classical to rock and country) attracting different groups of people, all of them, are just exceptions. Well shit, I mean if I'm that l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:06 AM
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No he isn't. They are both making the same choices at the same time, it's just women get one choice that the guy doesn't. They both chose to have sex, but they didn't both choose to not abort. He's not making one choice sooner, he's being denied his right to make a choice that the woman has.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:03 AM
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Nah, that's not true. I'm not even just talking about women I have sex with. About half of my circle of friends are women. I'm not interested in having sex with them but honestly, women are just boring. I enjoy going out to dinner with my guy friends, but dinner with one of my girl friends is a chore.I generally only see my girl friends when it's a group thing where there would be at least one other of my guy friends. Otherwise, it's boring as fuck. And it isn't one circle, it doesn't matter how…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:00 AM
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Uh, men get upset at having to pay despite being a victim of fraud. If you want to lie about whose kid it is, that's fine, but when you force that person to raise that child or to financially support that child, well, they have the right to be upset. Men lie in the approach, they aren't forcing you to fuck them, that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:53 AM
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Okay, let me ask you, if I was walking down the street and see a woman getting raped, do you think it's okay for me to just keep on walking and not even call the police, it doesn't affect me in any way, so why do anything. If I'm at work, and I see my boss unjustly and constantly berating one of my female employees, or sexually harassing or assaulting her, should I just ignore it and say "well, it doesn't affect me". I mean honestly, a portion of my tax dollars goes towards paying for women's ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:49 AM
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Lying is bad now? Seriously? What do you think wearing make up is? Pretty much lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:46 AM
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It's funny, the guys who struggle to get sex aren't the same guys who find women boring. I'm one of the people just abhors the company of women, especially when I just met that woman. On average, women just aren't interesting, I'm sorry. With all that said, it's not hard to feign interest to get sex. Any man can and most men do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:45 AM
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Sex isn't everything. Men were never told to be nice at work, that is why most men are ruthless at work when they need to be. They were told "women like nice guys, so be nice so that women can like you, and you can choose a woman you like" mostly by women with authoritative power over the boys' life. And yeah, I mean I guess you are right, it was stupid for little boys to listen to and trust women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:42 AM
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Or ya know, if you are going to tell them to go someplace rot, I mean if that is your attitude, they may as well go rape women, then they can rot in jail after getting what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:40 AM
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> Child support: by and large this is an issue from men who didn't use their own reproductive safeguards or wanted the child till the mom stopped fucking him. But also, women didn't use her biological safeguards (ie. abortion) to prevent the child, so why should men pay for women's choices?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:38 AM
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He's right though, it's a little dramatic, but not too far from the truth. All humanity are slaves to their desires and needs, but today's world allows women to fulfill their desires and needs by taking that power away from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:37 AM
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> Men complaining that their tax money goes toward mothers and their children If this statement doesn't show the entitlement of the modern woman, I don'tk now what would. You literally expect men to give up their time and bodies to earn money to pay for your poor choices. It's like, if a man was saying that women should be forced to have sex with men they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:35 AM
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In those same times that you are discussing, men were expected to get torn limb from limb in a barrage of bullets, or were expected to get sliced to pieces with swords, maces, or some other weapon. Historically speaking, respect wasn't about men respecting women, or women respecting men, it was about the rich and powerful not respecting either men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:32 AM
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Sex and intimacy are absolutely a need, what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:29 AM
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Uh, actually, there were a few cases where the woman raped men and got pregnant, and the law decided that it was the man's responsibility to pay child support to his rapist. In our world, men are responsible for when they are raped by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:27 AM
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What do you mean? It negatively impacted men's lives in many ways. In order for women to live the kind of lives that they currently can enjoy, rights and choices had to be taken away from men. . Think about the media, men generally enjoy seeing women sexualized in media, they don't particularly care about "smart" or "competent" women in movies, video games, magazines or whatever other form of media. Yet the push from feminism ensures that now women have to be more than just hot. Think about the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:25 AM
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Because your wife and/or girlfriend isn't your mom, dad, or some authoritative figure in your life? That person is your partner, and you are an adult. If you want to live in pig sty, that's really up to you, and while the other person can talk to you about why they don't like it and how they want you to do X or Y, the fact is, you are free to not do it if you don't want to. The other person nagging you is basically them trying to control you, or to change who you are as a person, and people don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:09 AM
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I can see where you are coming from. You aren't wrong. We took away men's place in the world by forcing men to work and pay for the things that women and children want. There is a very clear reallocation of wealth from men to women in our society, and whereas in the past, the reallocation occured at an individual level, from one man to one woman when they chose to get married, now society forces all men to pay for things that only women can enjoy. I mean, you aren't crazy, its just weird that yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:34 PM
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How do you know they aren't? They for sure have side plates, it's just, they have an entire PR team making sure that they take every step necessary for that shit to not be out in the news. After all, a bunch of women (ie. feminists) boycotting and protesting against your entire company or against you because you are doing something they don't like isn't unheard of. I mean shit, their PR team writes the words they say, they control what's said to them, they tell them how to behave, how to walk, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 05:02 AM
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Uh, kinda. I mean, it's not as broad as you are saying or as people portray. I would probably fuck about 70% of the women I see between the ages of 20-35, but for about 60% of them, I'd enjoy the sex more if she wore a paper bag over her head. So, running the numbers, I'm actually actually to about 30% of women between the age of 20-35. The truth of the matter is, if you want to be special to a guy, then be special to a guy. And I can't expand on that, because the truth is, there isn't a list of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:56 AM
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RP doesn't say 30'sare prime for men to date, it says 30's are prime for men to obtain sex. Goods might be damaged, but these guys aren't looking for marriage, they are looking to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:31 AM
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But that's not the purpose of the article. The article didn't discuss the correlation between effort of obtaining sex and actually obtaining sex, and conclude on a number of men who were making an effort and not getting it vs the number of women. If it did that, then I think we all know what the results of that study would be. Men who put no effort get no sex, men who put a lot of effort get a little sex, women who put no effort get a little sex, and women who put a lot of effort get a lot of se…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:28 AM
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Sure did. That's why we have things like red pill and blue pill. It did successfully brainwash me and the overwhelming majority of men. That's what "unplugging" is. It's realizing the lies that women have fed you either directly or indirectly, realizing that you were being brainwashed and nudged to behave and say and be attracted to things that women want you to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:19 AM
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Look, the fact is, if these things didn't matter, you wouldn't have feminists screaming murder every time media portrayed women in a way that men enjoy seeing women portrayed. You can say we all have "free will", the way women have behaved in the last couple of decades, they sure do enjoy trying to manipulate men into using their "free will" in a way that women want. Which is still control.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:18 AM
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What do you mean on what planet? on this planet. Look, we have been controlling what people view as attractive for a while now, it's just, up until now, the benefit has been for women, not men. What do you think the fat shaming movement is partly about? We can't even call a fat woman "fat", we now have to say she is "plus sized" because "fat" is unattractive. What do you think the whole "all women are beautiful" commercials that most people saw growing up. What about the assemblies in middle sch…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 09:50 PM
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And I disagree. Linking men's decisions to women's is just opening the door for women to lie and commit fraud. Just seperate the decisions, if she doesn't lie or commit fraud and does her due diligence, everything will work out just fine in the overwhelming majority of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 03:57 PM
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It shouldn't work like that, as his decision can affect her decision and both of them need time to make it. Bearing in mind that a woman's choice is linked to greater health risks, she should be given more time to make her decision. But it is like that now. Don't forget, a woman's decision to abort in the the world today is only done by her, despite the fact that her choice is linked has a very lasting financial, psychological and emotional effect on the man. If the guy has the first 5-6 weeks, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 03:43 PM
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> Turns out that women are human beings and psychological damage Yeah, psychological damage isn't an individual isn't the responsibility of others to manage, it's their responsibility. > and lasts far longer than a man working a few measly hours to make up the money. No it doesn't. Psychological damage goes away in a few weeks, months, hell, maybe years. Compound interest is a concept that goes will you your whole life. It doesn't go away. > Your argument also suggests that it's fine to lie to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 03:39 PM
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Do you think that severe trauma is a valid reason for something to be wrong and possibly illegal? It doesn't matter what I think, what matters is how things are. And the way that things are is that trauma is not a valid reason for something to be wrong and possibly illegal. If it was, there would be repercussions for paternity fraud and divorce law wouldn't be what it is. And because our society has shown that trauma isn't grounds for immorality or legality when men are victims, then by extensio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 10:27 PM
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Well, there's definitily an imbalance between men and women, I don't think anyone can or will argue that. Can it be resolved? Look, the problem is that men's sexuality is antagonized, whereas women's sexuality is celebrated. I mean, for gods sake, most women don't even think that promiscuity is a bad thing. Then there's the responsibilities for sex, all the responsibility has been pushed onto men, and women basically get a free pass. It isn't women who need to get consent, it's men. It isn't men…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 06:48 PM
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As a man, Do I expect it? yes. Do I actually think it will happen? no. WHy do I expect it, because women have spent 50 years talking about the importance of equality between the genders. To care about equality inherently means caring about issues from both sides. It wasn't men who preached equality, it was women. I mean, I get it, women are hypocrites, which is why I don't expect that it will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 06:32 PM
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No, not really. The overwhelming majority of people who have money earned it. They spent time studying, then time working, saving, investing etc etc. A vagina isn't something that women earned, it's something that they are given. Ultimately, when you use a woman for sex, she doesn't lose anything. So, she had sex with a guy she thought was attractive enough for a commited relationship, but he didn't want that, so what? It's not like women are honest about their n-counts enough for the n-count to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 06:30 PM
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So, hold on, your response to this is to continue the status quo and continue to force men to pay for women's choices? Clearly, you do not agree with any solution given, so you are saying that the status quo is the best outcome for all, including individual men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 06:19 PM
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WHat do you mean? that's a ridiculous argument. You are telling me that women are letting men put their penises inside these woman's vagina's without knowing who that person is? You can't pretend to not know the father. Make abortion require the father's signature. If the men being identified as the fathers have doubts, they should have the ability to request to do a paternity test. Paternity testing during pregnancy can be done, it's just an invasive procedure, which if the woman is lying about…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 05:28 PM
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> If the baby carries his DNA, that makes him its father and responsible for monetary and other support. There's no way around it and no amount of objecting about the way biology works, or complaining that women shouldn't be allowed to have more power than men is going to change the fact that kids need their dads. Yet, we can object to the responsibilities of the mother despite teh baby carrying her DNA. Don't forget, abortion isn't natural, it isn't "biology", it's man-made. So we can ignore bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:33 PM
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Only looking at what's inhuman for women and children, and allowing men to pay the cost of women's decisions will only ensure that men abandon their children. Men are already abandoning their children. And I agree that they should if they don't want the child .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:30 PM
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Theoretically spekaing, you are correct, but how can you prove the woman just didn't tell the father because she didn't want to give him the option of aborting? The fact is this, we, as a society, have decided that the ability to decide to abort or not should be independent in that, we all agree that men shouldn't have the right to force women to abort. As a result, men's abortion also needs to be an individual decision, with it's own deadlines that are not linked to information provided by wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:28 PM
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Look, I'm tired of reiterating what I said about the stupid analogies, so I'm going to move past the analogies. > I'm at a loss for words. If you think the only reason rape is wrong is because " he is essentially bypassing the woman's ability to be the gatekeeper" you have a problem. Rape is wrong because it's traumatising, a huge invasion of privacy and can have many negative impacts on the victim. It's traumatising and a huge invastion of privacty, from the point of view of the victim. But we,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 03:43 PM
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> Now, let's try the pencil and pencil sharpener. The pencil uses the pencil sharpener to gain something (be sharpened and get access to the lead). But, it's not the pencil who is using the lead. The pencil itself is not benefiting by being sharpened, it's actually deteriorating. It's the user of the lead that is actually benefiting. Just like it's not the lock that is benefiting from being opened, it's the user of the key. The user either uses the key or the sharpener to get what they want. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 06:51 PM
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Because throughout all of the years that men had done this, women had complained that those men are assholes, and shouldn't treat women that way? Men aren't necessarily upset at what women are doing, they are upset that women are hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 02:24 PM
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> No. In the lock and key analogy, the lock doesn't benefit from being opened, while the pencil benefits from being sharpened. We aren't talking about benefits, we are simply talking about three things: 1. the gatekeeper of the item (lock, wood around lead, women). 2: The item being kept safe ( item in chest,, lead, sex). And 3: tool used to break the gate down and get to the item desired (key, sharpner, men). Women with high n-counts are poor gatekeepers. They don't have the discipline, self re…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 02:21 PM
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okay, in your analogy, the pencil is the lock. ie. the item that you are trying to gain access to (lock=open, pencil = sharp). The sharpener is the key, it is the tool that is being used to get to the usable item. As a result, in your analogy, men are the sharpeners, and women are the pencils. The analogies are not about what physically goes in to what, it's about what is being used. The pencil gatekeeps the lead, and the lock gatekeeps the door/chest/whatever. The sharpener and the key break do…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 09:01 PM
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look, I think once you start targeting how people behave outside of legal jurisdiction, you are getting into dangerous territory. Even if you made the term gender neutral, it would be very clear who you are targeting when the majority of matters you discuss are male behaviors. I don't see women ever admitting to toxic femininity. As a perfect example, promiscuity of women is just as toxic to women themselves as any behavior that is covered under toxic masculinity, but you won't see a single woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 08:50 PM
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> What they really want is to go back and have women stop fighting against sexism. I'm pretty sure what they really want is equality, which, considering that women now have more rights and less responsibilities than men, would probably require women to start fighting sexism from the point of view of equality between the genders, not from the point of view of "sexism of men against women". There's a difference between fighting against sexism, and fighting against only one side of sexism. The form…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 08:43 PM
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> from patriarchal institutions Uh, no. In order to sympathize with that idea, we have to first agree that it stems from patriarchal instutions. It's more accurate to say that most men can sympathize with the idea that most of men's issues stem from matriarchal institutions and gender roles imposed onto men, by women, either directly or indirectly through their social and political impact on society. I haven't been on MRA subs, but, it makes sense as to why they criticize feminism/feminists, bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 08:38 PM
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Ah yes, the old "if you don't agree with me, then you hate women" argument. ​ It's okay, love, you can hate men all you want. You can ignore the facts and continue to scream "women are victims" like a little child, and you'll be treated like a little child. You'll be given your bottle and you'll shut up, the adults will work things out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 01:44 AM
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> Men don’t care about being dehumanized sexually because they are seen as human beings Maybe women are dehumanized sexually, but Men aren't seen as human beings at all. Forget about sexuality men are disposable in every aspect of society. Everything from how women view them, to parenthood, work, everything. Keep in mind, a woman can choose to be a mother, she can choose fatherhood for the man that she chose to fuck, the man can't. No abortion, no financial abortion, nothin, it's okay for men to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 01:37 AM
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Tha fuck is gray rape. See, this is the reason why the word rape has lost all it's meaning. At this point it's just whatever behavior women don't like. Ridiculous. Like I said, men don't care about being seen as notches and meat socks, and social shaming hasn't stopped the average woman from riding the carousal, so that's not really a thing anymore. And you are missing the point, men don't have the ability to choose. Women choose, men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:59 AM
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Look, the fact is, everything you said with the exception of abundance could basically be said about men too. The difference is that it being available in abundance to women allows them to sit there and differentiate "good sex", "regular" sex" and it allows them be picky (ie. people you want vs people you don't). What I'm telling you is, if the world turned 180 degrees, and women were in men's shoes, they wouldn't be behaving all that different. That's why women have better lives, they have sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 11:16 PM
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> you’re sitting there growing cobwebs in your pussy because your husband decides he’s too spiritual to use his penis indefinitely, you think that proves “women need it just as much as men do?” Absolutely. Look, if women are really as indifferent about sex as they say, then the fact is, sex or lack of it wouldn't make a difference to a woman, regardless of whether she is married or not . That's my point, my point is that the only reason why women can sit there and say it's "worthless" to them is…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 10:43 PM
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It's like this, Lets say Dick over there, never did well in school. The only job he could get was flipping burgers. Now lets say his dad is very wealthy, and gives him a nice trust. Now, DIck doesn't go around flaunting his money, he realizes he doesn't really care about money that much, just wants to be able to live. So he simply buys an average house, an average car, an average everything and carry's on his simple life flipping burgers and supplements any additional required income from the tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 09:02 PM
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> Have you ever held yourself in low regard because you were a male, or because of natural experiences that are associated with men? Sure. A few years back, my girlfriend at the time was drowning in debt. I've always been fairly financially literate, never been in significant debt. Anyway, she wanted to have this conversation about her contributing less for her half of the rent and putting the rest of it towards her debt. I refused, and told her if she can't afford rent, then she should move hom…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:24 PM
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Things are bad for them, and women do care about it as much as short men claim. There are many people closer to the 5'9" or 6 feet, so, while women WOULD go for a shorter guy if there weren't any tall ones, the fact is, there are plenty of taller ones around. So that leaves the shorter guys out in the rain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 07:48 PM
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Honestly, yeah, sure. But then I remember there are a lot of things that are not moral that the average woman takes full advantage of, manipulation is absolutely one of them. Look, at the end of the day, morality and life don't always mix. RP simply helped me see that if you play the game morally, when every other player throws morality out the window, you'll lose. As men, the other players in this game are women, and women absolutely throw morality out the window. At the end of the day, there's…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 05:22 PM
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Okay, first of all, I get it, "everyone's a guy on the internet" but I'm not your "BRO", Second, I could honestly care less if you avoid single fathers, honestly, there's not enough single fathers for this to even be an issue. You wanna avoid em, go ahead. Just like most men avoid single mothers. Third, you are woman, like you said, men would over look beerguts and unattractive features for a quick fuck, which is what men want (not expect, want, big difference) women to do. Seems like a reasonab…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 12:46 AM
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> Too many men lust after and expect hot slim women with decent boobs, nice features and long shiny hair First time I've ever heard anyone say men only fuck women with "decent boobs" and "long shiny hair", and surprise surprise, it's a woman who said it. First of all, "decent boobs" is subjective, every guy alive will describe "decent boobs" as something different Same with hair, some guys like short hair, some guys long long hair, some guys like brunettes, blondes, redheads whatever. But one th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 12:18 AM
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Well, how can it lead to anywhere productive when you deny that things that actually happened, happened? How can it lead to anywhere productive when you are choosing to answer a hypothetical scenario, which is clearly a complex one, with a single word answer? The fact is, I think if a lot of women were left out in the rain when it comes to the SMP, and it was caused by men having unreasonable standards and expectations from women in order to be considered "attractive", I think women would have n…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:09 PM
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That's very interesting. Convenient thought that women's opininos changed the minute that "attraction classes" became a possible action to brainwash little girls, but were all for it when it was a possible action to brainwash little boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:01 PM
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As I said in my original post "some form of abortion". Financial abortion works just as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 03:04 AM
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Nah, assuming men have the ability to abort, ideally, the person who gets custody should take care of the baby. And the person who is most capable of supporting the baby, with priory being put on finance over nurture should get custody. If a man who would get custody denies it, then he should pay child support. Same with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 03:00 AM
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> And I dont think it's usefull. Women will just avoid pregnancies. Useful to who, exactly? Women? Society? Look, the whole "women breed future taxpayers" concept barely has legs to stand on. There's enough people in the world to replace those future children with immigrants. We don't need women to have children. I agree that it's not useful to women. But it's very useful to corporations and to men. Also, it's very useful to children, I mean after all, even with the amount of time that mat leave…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:33 AM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:17 AM
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So you think that there would be no problem if the majority of men viewed anorexic women (actually anorexic women) as "beautiful" and strive to only sleep with and mate with those women? If that was the situation, you don't think that there's something wrong with what those men find attractive, that needs adjustment? Edit. I'm actually very very curious about your opinion for this question. In this case, where say, the only women who would be considered attractive and desirable by men would go d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:13 AM
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No, women aren't comparable to slave owners, I said your opinion that you don't think women are wreaking havoc on society is comparable to the opinion of a slave owner that slavery isn't bad. The comparison isn't between the bad that each group agrees with, it's between the way they view the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:11 AM
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AAANDD what do you think that is? Those same lines were fed to men, except they weren't there with the expectation that men like healthy women, rather, they were used as ways to change men's attraction from thin women to fatter women. I literally remember women throwing up these pictures of perfectly healthy women, not like those really skinny women who throw up their food after each meal, just healthy women, like what we consider to be "healthy" today, and they asked us "do you think she is ano…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:09 AM
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Yeah, it is because you are a woman. Because you are on the receiving end of it. It's like a white slave owner saying "I don't see the havoc that having slaves is having on society". Of course not, you are benefiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:04 AM
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Listen, let me ask you something. What do you think "toxic masculinity" is doing if not trying to control how men behave? What do you think that concept is about if not about discouraging men from behaving in ways that are detrimental, primarily, towards women. We, in our society, have no problems with controlling and changing how men behave to ways we want them to behave to benefit us. Don't forget, the average boy is drugged up primarily because he, as a boy, doesn't act the way girls act. oh,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 11:55 PM
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And that mental illness was blamed on men's expectation of women. And I can't recall a single time where men were blamed for the condition in women. Really? Do you live under a rock or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 11:50 PM
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You already said it, they are criminals. There are already legislation in place to deter men from behaving in those ways, and punishments for men who behave in those ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 11:44 PM
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Disloyal men exist. And those men are punished by legislation. Men who physically abuse women face legal repercussions. Men who divorce women are forced to pay alimony and child support. And how can every woman who gets pregnant guaruntee the financial support of the man she bore children with? Every woman who gets pregnant does not happily aim for child support as some kind of fucked up goal to get other people to pay for her and her child. Look, I know you are trying to push the whole "parenth…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 11:40 PM
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And yet, it appears to be the only viable solution. If women are going to continue to behave in ways that are detrimental to society, then society needs to encourage women to behave in a better way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 11:30 PM
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Really? So you don't think it was right that men were blamed for women who were choosing to be anorexic? you don't remember that being blamed one men's "unrealistic expectation" of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 11:27 PM
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Men are forced to pay for women's problems and choices because it's in the best interest of society, therefore, women should also be forced to pay for men's problems and choices because it's in the best interest of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 11:23 PM
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Very simple, women who file as "single" and are 30 or above automatically get the surtax added on their income tax automatically. There doesn't need to be a letter sent out to them. Just like our system audits people for other taxation issues, this would be one of the things that are audited. If the woman lies, they would be accused of tax fraud and face similar consequences to people claiming any other kind of deduction or credit that they are not entitled to. In regards to it being enforced, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 11:21 PM
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> Should we be trying to control who people find attractive? Sure. Don't forget, when women are at a disadvantage and needed to rely on men for income, there was an issue because men refused to marry women who weren't thin and attractive. Remember that? We, as a society, decided to control what boys would find attractive. Remember the "it's what's on the inside that counts" slogan, and "all women are beautiful" bullshit? That's an attempt at controlling what men found attractive . In my part of …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 11:11 PM
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I don't think men SHOULD be held financially responsible for other womens children. And yet they are. What do you think child support is. Men don't choose to have children, because the choice for a child to be born is made when the choice to abort or not is made. Men can't make the choice to abort, so men don't choose to have children. For men who don't want those children, child support is being forced to pay for other women's children.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 11:04 PM
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My honest solution, considering that women are the ones that have the pick of the litter in today's SMP; taxation and adjustment of legislation to remove things like no-fault divorce and maternity leave and the inclusion of things like the ability to abort (in some form) for men and at birth paternity testing. See, the problem is, society has removed all risks for women when it comes to companionship. Every role that men used to fill, which used to encourage women to find a man within her own le…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 10:59 PM
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That's like saying "women's choice to get pregnant is not my responsibility, I"m not giving her mat leave". It's like saying "the financial support of a child for a woman who chose not to get an abortion is not my responsibility". It IS your problem, because you expect others to care about things that affect you, and only you, therefore, other people's problems are also your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 10:36 PM
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But that's not true at all. First of all, being social does not guarantee relationships, and "average looking men" as defined by women isn't average looks for men. Second of all, this question is about sex, not LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 10:33 PM
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What about classes for young girls about what an attractive man should look like to them? What you are suggesting is that we go down the same route that we went down when we were telling boys to "just be yourself". No, at the end of the day, social skills and emotional intelligence doesn't mean men will get sex or relationships. The problem is clearly that women have an unreasonable expectation from men, if it is true that women find more than 50% of men unattractive. The solution isn't always t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 10:31 PM
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If this is when you expect men to potentially get violent en masse, then we agree. I didn't think you would think it could go that far - frankly, I don't Really, You don't? I mean, the average boy is already being medicated because they don't behave like girls. What do you think that is? It's really not that far off. Don't forget, we live in a world where people are okay with physically mutilating little boys at birth, it's not that much of a stretch to give infant boys a little needle that inhi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 09:49 PM
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We absolutely are talking about men fighting for a cause. There is oppression in our system, that is driven by legislation, and that can be resolved by legislation. Now, I'm not talking simply about sex, I'm talking about the cause of the inequality in the the SMP. > They publish material, they are known conceptually. Sure, but before that, they were a bunch of women disrupting society. > Men relying on physical force are not proud organizers like feminists can be. They're lashing out. Force is …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 09:01 PM
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People who ignored the law are what got society to where it is. Feminists ignored the law. So did anyone and everyone who ever fought against oppression. They ignore the law, until society changes the law. Calling those men stupid is similar to calling anyone who ever fought against oppression and went to jail for it as "stupid". Those men may be ostracized and locked out of society, but ultimately the damage they do will also open society's eyes to resolutions for those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 08:37 PM
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It's not taboo, it's just illegal. When people get oppressed and denied equal opportunities in society, those people tend to stop caring about laws or they find ways around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 07:53 PM
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And you are entitled to your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 06:26 PM
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Because what most people say is very similar to what people on PPD say.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 04:15 PM
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Initial point I made is that the conversations that we have here on PPD and the ideas discussed are accepted by the average person. The opinions of the people on here aren't the opinions of those on the frays of society, it's becoming more and more, the opinion of the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:12 PM
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And that is absolutely what will happen. The main problem is, women are showing men that they don't care about them. Essentially the response that men who are suffering get from women is "oh, your suffering? Well, ya know, you just have to accept it. It's natural for ugly people to be bred out of the gene pool and die alone". This is creating resentment against women, and if these problems aren't addressed, then eventually men will say "oh, your suffering? Well, ya know, you just have to accept …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:46 PM
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Yeah, Like I said, these exact same comments are said very commonly in real life about these conversations. Then, there's someone who would respond to you saying "men and women are different, so men doing the same thing doesn't matter" and the woman that says "well, whose actually doing the shaming, I've only ever seen women shame other women when it comes to this" etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:41 PM
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Again, that's not what the point of that example is. But if we are both understanding that we are moving this discussion past the opinion that discussions on this sub is only had by people on the frays of society, then, I would say that the between men and women is that men looking for "family women" aren't necessarily looking for women with good careers and good income.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 04:35 AM
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But we aren't talking about generalization. We are talking about whether the ideas and concepts discussed on this sub are only discussed by people on the frays of society or if they are concepts that are commonly discussed and believed in by the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:26 AM
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We aren't talking about the type of women I've met, that's a different conversation. You asked me for examples of things that I've heard being said that are very similar to things being said on this sub. There are many examples, I gave you a couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:19 AM
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I mean, people don't say "feminist conspiracy", "AF/BB" etc, because they don't know the terms, but the things they say more or less aligns with the concepts. You can be skeptical, it is what it is. The interesting part of it is, often times, women are the ones that discuss these concepts in ways that are like "what? this is common knowledge". I remember this one time having this conversation in a group, and one woman was particularly outspoken. The group moved on from the conversation, but at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:14 AM
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Men are men, and women are women. The thing is, I put very little faith in studies. For me, the skepticism for gender related studies happened during that experiment that was trying to determine the extent of discrimination that women face in hiring practices. The study was stopped when it was determined that, in fact, it was men who face discrimination in hiring practice, and the researcher made a comment saying "we have to be careful about conducting these kinds of experiments because they may…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:36 AM
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Depends on the topic, but like I said, the responses I've heard from people in real life very much so mirror the responses that I see here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:24 AM
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First of all, I wanted to say that this was a good read. I enjoyed it, well done. Second, I think this is just a normal course of humanity. I can't think of a period in history where there wasn't a war, a revolution, or a group of people being oppressed. Creating conflict is a part of humanity, we not only desire it, but we need it. So really, I think that we are going down the path that you are describing, and yeah, things will get bad for men, which will ,in turn, make things bad for women. At…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:22 AM
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I think you are way off there. Truth is, I've had similar conversations as things discussed on this sub with many groups of friends consisting of both men and women, and the conversations almost always consist of the same comments that people make here. I say many groups of friends, because I know a lot of people, from many different parts. There's no way that the group of people that I go to have a beer with afting jamming could be similar to the group of people I go to have a coffee with after…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:16 AM
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Yeah, I've heard france is a really messed up place for dating. I'm sure it's easier for men there, but from what I've heard, they are overly liberal. Like, no problems with cheating, or promiscuity, and there's the old paternity testing being illegal matter. But to answer your question, honestly? It is a lot of effort. I mean, generally speaking, being amazing with people never did come naturally to me, I often worry about people taking what I say the wrong way or something. It took a long time…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 01:58 AM
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> Feminism is a cultural and political movement based on the goal of equality between sexes It really isn't though. here's the deifinition: "Feminisim - the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes". Notice how it says "rights" but doesn't say "responsibilities". > TRP is a guide to get men laid. That is its purpose. TRP is a guide about how men should live their lives, and yes, a big part of it is how they should treat relationships. Remember, TRP encourages working …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 01:30 AM
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No, feminists want women to enjoy the positive aspects of both men and women's lives, while getting rid of all negative aspects of women's lives. TRP wants to men to live their lives in a way that makes them happy, regardless of how unhappy it might make women. The difference? feminists demand that others take from men benefits to give to women. TRP demands that the man that wants to enjoy the benefits to take from women and give nothing back.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 01:24 AM
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We expect from women what women expect from men in that situation; to have some dignity. Jerk off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 01:20 AM
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I think you significantly overestimate the importance the role of a woman plays in the lives of men. You also seem to be confused with making an observation, and wanting something. If I go and see the mona lisa, I'd probably say it's beautiful, would I want to buy it? no, not really. If I see a pretty little brunette at the bar, and mention that she's pretty. But, men do want women inherently, and women want men inherently, because strong social ties and intimacy are ingrained in our biology, ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 01:18 AM
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In its early stages western feminism faced backlash. right, but feminism was up against one behemoth, the government. Men's rights is up against 2 behemoths, the government and feminism. In developing nations feminist gatherings are disrupted and some of the women protesting get arrested or lose their jobs. Right, which is why in developing nations, women don't have many rights. The supporters were beaten and viscously attacked but they stayed the course until they got what they wanted. Look, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 03:08 AM
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If enough men lobby for it I believe it can happen men can't lobby for anything, feminism doesn't let them. I remember reading an article about a men's group trying to have meeting up in university of toronto, feminists blocked the doors so the members couldn't get in, then feminists pulled the fire alarms. Men are literally not allowed to have meetings that don't include women. That doesn’t mean the precedent will be followed. Plenty of things are proposed then thrown out. Maybe I didn't explai…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 01:05 AM
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I can’t speak on Europe but in the US the laws on diversity weren’t implemented just for women. It was for all disenfranchised groups. So men were included too if they were part of a disenfranchised group. Really? you really think that anything will be done to ensure men are equally represented in child care, education etc, before action is taken for women in Board of directors? Come on now, you aren't that gullible, are you? There’s still debate over whether quotas are the way to go and most pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 07:55 PM
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> There’s interference when the harm is direct. But that's not true at all. There's interference when harm is indirect, so long as that harm is done to women. One example includes legislation mandating gender quotas for women, which exists in at least 1 state and in a bunch of countries in Europe. And that's the point I'm making here, our legal system is bias in that it interferes only in situations where women are harmed, directly or indirectly, by men, then it extends those rules to men if and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 06:20 PM
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It's not at the same level. I'm telling you that women rejecting men is having physical harm on men, and you are denying this point. That's the problem though, we as a society define our necessity to interfere only from a woman's perspective, not from men's perspective. Crime is defined by what men do, not what women do. It's extended to women (sometimes), but laws aren't made to discourage harmful behavior in ways that women behave harmfully. Think about this way, every type of fraud in existen…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 05:40 PM
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> You didn’t say it but that kind of seems to be the implication. I’m further suspecting this is the case because of what you said here: The emotional support is her giving me space, and not doing things that I don't want done. Letting me figure my shit out my way, and not interfering, and reinforcing that I'm valuable to her regardless. That's support, that's real support. > There’s no emotional support here. That absolutely is emotional support. You aren't adding on problems and issues. You ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 05:24 PM
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I didn't say men don't want emotional support from women, I said men want emotional support from women, but that emotional support is not the same as the emotional support that women would want from men if the women were in those situations. > So what kind of emotional support do men need then? Depends on the guy. Some guys need to be alone and not discuss it, some guys want to talk about it, some guys want to cry, every guy is different, just like every woman is different. Me? I want to be left…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 04:59 PM
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> Society interferes with men who rape and kill women I didn't say kill, I said rape. > Women denying men sex doesn’t cause men physical harm so society doesn’t interfere. Of course it does, what do you mean? Men's suicide rates are the highest they've been. Incels have hurt themselves and others directly citing the lack of female attention as the cause of their actions. You think the women who continuously rejected those men and stomped them down to the point where they would end their lives or…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 04:49 PM
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> Always with the rape /: Because it's a relevant issue. Women and OP throw around this idea that it's natural that men suffer women's selection, and that we, as humanity, should not interfere with nature's sexual mandates. If that's the case, then rape is very much relevant in this conversation, you can't make a statement that it's natural for men to be denied sex, without also addressing that it's natural for men to obtain sex through rape, men were given the physical capability by nature to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 04:39 PM
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Again, those aren't the things that men need. That's the type of emotional support that women think that men need. Look at your own comment, you've broken down emotional support to "listen, console, and cheer up". I don't know a single guy who wants to b e cheered up when they are stressed. They go with it to be nice to the women who try, but inside they are like "fuck, talking to her was a mistake".That may be what women want from men when they need emotional support, but men aren't the same as…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 04:35 PM
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> Next time you are in a relationship, just be open to it, and the woman you are dating might surprise you. Sometimes just listening to your bullshit helps. I've been there, I've done that. And that's exactly what I mean. Women don't have the patience to listen to how men feel. They don't want to hear men "cry", they don't want to listen to men's problems. They don't care. They say they want to care, they say the do care, but their behavior doesn't reflect that.You see it and you hear women comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 04:15 PM
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Yeah, enjoy the 20 years of child support while only getting to see your kids a couple weekends a month. That's fatherhood in the modern world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 04:42 AM
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Your brain is only important to you, not to anyone else. To everyone else, it's your image. I have no debt, I've paid off my condo, and my father's house. I have a savings account for my father's retirement. From your perspective, it isn't about how much money you spend, it's about how much you keep. But, like I said, spending to improve your image has an ROI, a high one. You'd be surprised how many conversations that omega watch has started, how many of those conversations ended up with new cli…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 04:32 AM
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Actually, you are wrong. Image is what gets you everything you want. What people think about you matters. You're still living in the "you just have to be yourself" world that women have brainwashed little boys with for decades. You can't just be yourself, you aren't good enough, you never will be. The average guy knows that, he's lived it. The image that you portray has to show you are significantly better than you actually are. That's how you get promotions and money, that's how you get clients…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 04:03 AM
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No, I don't resent women for turning me on. If I had trouble with women, I'd resent society for putting men in a position where they are denied the abilities to satiate a natural thirst. It's only through human intervention that a man's ability to obtain women has been reduced to his height, or some other stupid metric. Society keeps the average man on the edge, sexually speaking, allowing him to barely get a drop of dirty water to satiate a natural drive. We don't even acknowledge that sex is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 03:41 AM
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Like I said, this argument got ridiculous a while back. All I said is that TRP encourages behavior that women view as "asshole" behaviour, which is true. You don't want to behave in a way that women view negatively, that's your call. But TRP is TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 03:34 AM
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, I'm a man but I don't want women's groups or subreddits quarantined or banned. Right, but you are a man. Men don't care, for example, if a corporation chooses to only hire women (it's been done), but women all over the world were in an uproar because a barber in Ireland (was it? ) said he didn't cut women's hair. As a guy, you don't care if a billboard has 2 women and 1 man, or 2 men and 1 woman, but there were literal protests in my city a few years ago by women who claimed oppression because…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 03:24 AM
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Okay, this discussion is getting ridiculous. Lets put it a different way, if TRP didn't encourage "asshole behaviour" it wouldn't be quarantined, and women in general wouldn't hate it. I mean, who can hate a group that tells you to do things that have been scientifically proven to improve your own personal happiness, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 02:40 AM
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Ah, I see. You must be one of those new "moderate " RP guys. The fact is this, these "concepts" are already accepted by the overwhelming majority of RP men. I mean, from the little bit of dialogue that I've had with you. You are trying to find a compromise between the good of TRP by taking out the the things you don't agree with. That's not really how it works, that's not really TRP. It's okay for you to take out from the RP things like "lift" and "work on yourself", but that' isn't the fundamen…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 02:13 AM
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Again, practically speaking, prioritizing your freedom generally means living the no-commitment, ONS kinda life. In order to live that life, especially as you get older, you have to behave in ways that women perceive as "asshole behavior". Look, we can argue about this as much as you want, but you can't tell me that TRP concepts like "spinning plates" and "dread" is not considered asshole behavior by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:55 AM
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Let me put it this way, I've never known any man who was able to find more emotional support from his gf than his friends. I mean, I run in a pretty tight circle, always have, but when shit hits the fan and men feel like their shoulders are buckling, men don't run to their girlfriends or wives for support. They either internalize it, or they go out with their friends. But, back to you, when you think of relationships, is that emotional support that your GF back in 2013 what you crave? If not, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:48 AM
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Yeah, of course, but don't forget, despite many RP men being married, TRP is fundamentally against marriage, which in and of itself means that no woman is worth your resources. This concept evolved to "the game", which basically says that since no woman is worth your resources for commitment, the game is about obtaining what you want from women and giving up as little of your resources as possible. Which, practically speaking, is the same as being an asshole from the woman's point of view. From …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:44 AM
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Is that sarcasm? Look, as a woman how she has provided emotional support to her previous partners. What she did specifically. Then, if possible, ask the guy that she says she support (in a seperate room), when he needed the most support during the relationship and what she did to actually provide it. The response from most men is "she was there". Which isn't really a thing. A dog is "there". Edit. As a side note, notice how you say "women provide support as long as men are a certain way". Emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:28 AM
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Emotional support is a non-issue for men because women thesmelves are extremely extremely rarely capable of providing emotional support for men they are in relationships with. Emotional support doesn't register at the forefront of the benefits of a relationship with women because women appear to be either incapable or unwilling to provide it to men. Financial support would be the same way, but legislation has put it at the forefront of the relationship since men are forced to financially support…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:16 AM
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> And although he had had two wives, he may have physically been there but emotionally he was cold and arrogant. And so my foolish uncle became victim of an inevitable divorce. Interesting how you blame that on the uncle, when both women knew what they were getting when they married him. Sounds like he was a victim of gold digging if you ask me. It says a lot about you as a person and your ability to view situations from viewpoints that don't relate to your viewpoint. > Nature is both cruel yet …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:13 AM
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What does "all I want is a nice guy" mean to you? I mean, keeping in mind that "all I want is a nice guy" was always used in the relationship context. Do your relationships involve sex? The thing is this, women don't know what being treated like an adult is. They think that "nice" should be the standard, and that being "nice" is the same as being "decent'. It isn't. Being "nice" is a bonus, it's not the standard. If I go out of my way to pick you up so we can carpool together every day, without …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:08 AM
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At first, it was weird. I was raised to be respectful and considerate of others. But then, when I started doing it, I didn't enjoy doing it, I still don't, but it works. It's like a necessary evil. And yeah, I do look down on women for enjoying this. Do you not have any self respect that you enjoy being dominated? Do you not want to take responsibility so you enjoy others making decisions for you? That's how children think.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 11:20 PM
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Yeah, you'd be surprised how manly treating women like shit is to women. I never heard those words from the next woman though, so win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 11:13 PM
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I'm not riled up, I'm laughing. Oh, sweatheart, my pussy supply is not in jeopardy, trust me. But you are right, I did alter my behavior with the next woman, I did absolutely nothing for her. I didn't even pay the bill on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 11:11 PM
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No, definitely not. I'm not wasting my life on someone else's child, unless the woman and I don't have any biological children and agree to adopt, then we'd be on equal ground. To be fair though, there is only one exception. If she's a widow. That's different. But most single mothers aren't widows, most are single mothers either due to their choice to leave the relationship, or their choice to have a kid with the wrong guy. I'm not paying the price for her poor choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 11:07 PM
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No he won't. And it doesn't actually sting coming from a woman. It stings coming from your father, or your close friend. But from a woman? No. Not your girlfriend, not your mother, no woman can use those words in a meaningful way. It's not even form all men. If my friend, who is an alcoholic, tells me to man up and quit smoking, I'd laugh at his face. A woman can't even be compared. Her job as a woman is given to her by biology, she doesn't even have to earn her value. It's like listening to an …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 11:04 PM
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I don't know what kind of pussy ass, submissive men you know, but any man with any self respect and dignity would completely stop taking you serious as soon as the words "man up" come out of your mouth. One my girlfriends said that to me once, yeah, everything she said afterwards may as well have been said by a 2 year in my eyes. Actually made my life easy, I had the excuse of "what? why should I do it, I'm not a man right?". Oh, you want me to man up and take your fucking car to the mechanic? W…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 10:54 PM
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Men are more likely to be violent because they can be. Women would be just as violent if they could, but they can't because their physique prevents them. The truth of the matter is, women preached that "we need to look out for each other", that "we need to care about everyone". People on those incel boards are the ones that women don't care about, the ones that don't even exist to women. So, yeah, obviously they'll want women's rights to be removed, they are looking out for themselves, just like…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 10:39 PM
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A threat in what way? How do you define "threat"? you mean physically? See we live in a society that has laws against the worst side of men, but not laws against the worst sides of women. > Misogyny is taken note of because in the end, a man can do anything he wants to a woman and she won’t be able to do anything back while a misandrist woman can only really say mean words. Sure, I mean, if you don't call having the ability to call the police and have him convicted of physical/sexual harassment …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 10:31 PM
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Notice how my comment discusses legislation, yours discusses personal preference. Sure, you are well within your rights to consider your personal preference regarding money. I don't mind supporting a wife and kids, I have no problem with it. What I do mind is the legislation that forcibly reallocates my income to hers after the relationship ends, and relationships have a 50% chance of ending. Alimony is rarely (very rarely, in fact) assigned to men. Women are significant more likely to file for …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 03:41 PM
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I find that the RP is less about being what women want, and more about deprograming everything that women told us growing up that they wanted. The fact is, as a child, I was dominant. I was a leader. And I remember getting in trouble for it, and often times women would say "you need to consider everyone else's feelings" or some other crap. So I started doing that. The RP was just me going back to the way I was before. It was simply deprogramming. Do I look down on women for enjoying this? Yeah, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 06:26 PM
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That's not comparing oneself to others, that's simply stating the fact that single men are being forced to subsidize families and single mothers the most. Single women come in second. Essentially, we live in a society where men are forced to support others, which was relevant in the conversation .
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 02:35 PM
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> Then don't get married. But it's not just about marriage, now is it? Think about all the things that single people pay for that only married couples get, all the things that get subsidized on the taxpayer's dime that only families can take advantage of, what do you think that is? It is the reallocation of wealth from single people to couples. Now, when you consider that women don't have to do much to get married, and marriage is significantly lower risk for women than men, it actually becomes …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 03:37 AM
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>Really? That's not the way I see it. I'm sorry that you don't see it that way, but our society makes it clear that women have inherent value . The fact that a woman can bear children is her inherent value, and our society goes out of it's way to ensure that that value isn't reduced, so far out of it's way, in fact, that society ensures the indirect reallocation of wealth from men to women to affirm that that value isn't diluted. I can give you a few examples if you like. > I used to understand …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 02:54 AM
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Men need to the ability to earn value. Women inherently have value, men have to create that value. Whether it's dying in a war, making the cure for cancer, or starting a business. And it's not just value to others, it's value to themselves too. For example, if a women as a whole say to men "you want value? go work and pay for my kid" (which is what women basically say in modern day), that's not value. That's being used. If a has the ability to create a family, to choose fatherhood in the same wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 03:35 PM
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Men only care about how much money they make because they don't wanna pay alimony, or spend a decade paying for a house only to have the court give it to her at the end. I remember meeting this girl, I mean shit, she was pretty. I was used to seeing pretty women who I knew I didn't have a chance with, but then she smiled, and I mean the only thought that went through my head was "I don't think I want to live a day for the rest of my life without seeing that smile". I still think about her and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 03:25 AM
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Men are not empathetic towards a minority of women because they are a minority. No one says they may not have it rough, but you are talking about a minority of women vs a majority of men. I've known a handful of women who were ugly enough to not (and I suspect will never be able to) be able to find someone who loves them. And, I mean, honestly, I've met some pretty ugly women. Like fat, pimples, sweaty, just ewww, yet they have boyfriends or husbands. But I've seen a lot more men who women simpl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 03:12 AM
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> I always thought the reward for work was your paycheck It would be, but you gotta keep in mind that a very very large of our paycheques go to benefit others. I'm single, why should my property taxes go towards paying for the education of other people's kids? If making money is for my happiness, then don't make me pay for other people. But that's not what making money is about, that's no longer what it's about for men. Money is consistently reallocated from men to women, from single people to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 03:39 AM
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As an individual? no, not really. As a gender in modern society? yes, yes I do. Are men inherently more valuable? no. Look, I'm of the belief that people are equally valuable, in that, we all start with 0 value and need to earn any value. We aren't and shouldn't be given respect simply because we are breathing, we shouldn't be considered valuable because of our occupations, how much money we have, or our physical abilities. We need to be valued based on our ability to prove that we are valuable.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 03:16 AM
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Right, except women get rejected how often by men? Or, the better question is, does the average woman even directly approach 10 men in her lifetime for her to have an average rejection rate 9 out of 10 times? I remember my first rejection, the very very first one, back in highschool. I thought "Maybe I should try behaving nicer. Maybe if I worked out. Maybe this/that". So I started being nicer to everyone to improve that part of me, I volunteered to help the homeless, I volunteered by tutoring a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 02:55 AM
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kinda hard to call it projection when women literally tell boys that beta traits are what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:39 AM
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Okay, I'm going to avoid talking about your boyfriend because that's not the point of this conversation. I didn't say that guys don't think about things "from all angles", I'm saying that most intelligent people recognize when they are saying or doing things that are beneficial for themselves, but harmful for others. The key difference is going the extra step to analyse whether they should change their behavior. Young people or people who have very little real experiences in the world would stan…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 05:53 AM
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Again, I'm telling you, the media doesnt care. No one cares. The media cares about what brings viewers, and society in general doesnt care about a 20-something guy that got harassed by a woman, which means they wont watch news about it. If I was a woman, and the harasser was a man, it would care, because society cares about women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 04:03 PM
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I had evidence. I provided it. Look the fact is, society doesnt care about men. Men today are being forced to pay the price for crimes of men that have been long dead and turned to dust. That's our world, and that is why women saying "women are people", and "women want the same thing that men want" is misguided. Women and men are in different echelons of society, in some aspects men are higher (and those areas are being targeted in the name of 'equality'), but in other areas, women are higher (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 03:49 PM
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I'm sorry, but this is what I meant when I said you simply do not understand the differences between men and women. I've personally experienced harassment at a few major multinational organizations. I've complained to HR in every case, without any action being taken. In one case, i escalated it to the labour board, it's been 7 years and I haven't heard back. I've followed up and was told they were "getting to it". In terms of repercussion for rape against men and boys, I just gave you an example…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 03:35 PM
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I didnt say there a time frame. I said it's based on repercussions and responsibility. If society admits that that behaviour was wrong by implementing and upholding rules against someone that does something against you, then you dont have the right to act that way against others, because society is compensating you for damages done to you by others. If society doesnt have rules or laws or doesnt uphold them, then you are within your right to behave that way to others. Let me give you an example,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 03:16 PM
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Sure, 30 years ago, women had the right to be sexist. But today, because there are laws that discourage men from being sexist, they dont. Those laws are often ignored when men are the victims. And in terms of a group that fights against sexism for men, you are smart enough to know that simply wouldn't work. In order to fight against sexism against men, we would have to do things like not teach men about consent (the concept of consent is inherently sexist since practically speaking, consent push…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 02:50 PM
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If you are a victim of something that isnt illegal, and is a part of a double standard, then you are absolutely within your right to do those things to others. You know, you are the second woman this month to tell me that men should stand up for what right even though women dont, which in and of itself is hypocritical, dont you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 02:36 PM
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See, here's the thing. Women often say the things you saying, but I find it extremely hypocritical. For example, you say that your biggest grip with men is sexism. Did you ever stop and wonder why men are sexist? Individual men express sexism, but women as a whole express sexism. Men see it every day, they experience it every day. From small little things like "oh, you're a man, can you please bring down this big box from the overhead cupboard" to much bigger things on a societal level like mari…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 12:44 PM
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It's because most single mother chose it, it's only a small handful of women that are single mothers due to losing their spouse to something that they didn't choose. Those guys have 0 respect for most single mothers, but for the single mothers that didn't choose it, they respect them. Mind you, there's as few single single mothers that chose it as fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 04:21 AM
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That's not how it works now. In the board of directors there are states that have a quota and they are discussing for more states to implement the quota. The stock holders could care less about the gender, but our society needs to fix those damns ".70 c on da dolaarzzzzz".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 05:05 AM
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Yeah, but they aren't going to be CEO's because they took on the risk of starting their own businesses with their own ideas. They are going to be CEO's because of the legislation that is taking place now. Legislation now requires corporations to hire based on what's in between someone's legs, not what's in between someones ears, that's what quotas are. Obviously, if you are forced to hire female directors now, some of them will become CEO's. I wouldn't be surprised if the quotas are made for CEO…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 03:20 AM
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Women haven't stepped up, and there are studies that show that due to women's natural risk aversion being higher, it's significantly less likely for women to do things that have historically pushed humanity forward. So, sure, for women life may get better in some sense, but based on the modern studies, it would slow the progress of humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 02:52 AM
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I find it difficult to believe you think that society and businesses will change to cater to women when women continue to not be the ones starting companies, they aren't the ones who are innovating, it's men. Women are just forcing men to cater to women through legislation. At some point the pendulum will shift the other way, and men will vote to move things to the other side while women are too tired and too busy working to even vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 02:11 AM
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Don't write off these things to "society", it's women too. There are plenty of men out there that are okay with the ideas of consent, the concept of making sure the woman feels safe, but most women are not okay with men asking for a paternity test, and will divorce their husbands simply for requesting it. And the fact is, THAT is what defines who women are. It's not the 4%, it's the fact that the 96% will divorce men for asking for the test.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 12:35 AM
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Yeah, because when an entire organisation and when the entirety of a gender refuses to let you get a simple test, you become suspicious. Look, risk is a function of cost and benefit. Let me explain it this way. Lets say I tell you, hey, you give me $1, and you have a 4% chance to win 1 million. What's your risk? What do you have to lose ? $1? What's your gain? 1million. Seems worth it right? Now lets say I say, "hey give me a dollar, you have a 96% chance of winning a million dollars, but if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 12:26 AM
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Not all women are the same though Not all men rape, but that hasn't stopped society from putting laws in place to prevent rape. People such as my mother/sister value intimacy Don't make this conversation personal. Listing the 1 in 30 study shows it’s only 3% of women doing this. So it’s not even close to a majority Again, I'll use the rape example. It was estimated that a mere 3%-4% of men committed rape. Also, insignificant, yet significant enough for society to turn rape into a "guilty until p…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 12:12 AM
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I simply would’ve thought that women would prefer companionship/intimacy instead of raising kids on their own. It goes back to the RP mantra "look at what women do, not what women say".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 12:00 AM
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The government is only a reflection of it's people. In france, it's clearly women who have control over these issues, since, as you can see, there is a pervasive culture of doubt regarding paternity in france. Men are demanding change, and the government is refusing to comply.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:50 PM
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This shows you, women are cheating on their boyfriends on their husbands, so much so, that countries have to control the man's ability to determine if he's the actual father because if men were just allowed to test, there would be so many more single mothers. The worst of RP is "dread", it's "spinning plates", but women already do that to men. Women initiate divorces significantly more often then men, and married men know, that's not all that different from "dread". And as you saw, it's common f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:45 PM
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here for the legality of paternity test. The British journal had said that 1 in 30 children is not the biological offspring of their putative fathers. You can look it up yourself. In france, no one knows because the government doesn't release the statistics. The only logical conclusion is that it was made illegal because of how common it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:20 PM
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guy on guy Makes no difference. I enjoy mixed drinks, though I try not to drink them too much because of all of the sugar that's often in them, but I've never been in a social circle where drinking a long island iced tea or a some pink drink is even looked twice upon. In fact, now that I think about it, in my life it was always women who made a little quib every time I bought a flamboyant drink. "oh you like pink drinks, huh?". Saying women are hypergamous yet ignoring the fact that men mainly s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:14 PM
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Yeah, but honestly? Women on dating apps aren't very good to look at either. I mean, there's the one -offs, but haven't guys noticed that? I can't help but feel that the average man or woman on dating apps are left overs. People that aren't attractive enough or good enough to get relationship in the real world. There are exceptions, but those ones are looking for sex. I can't be the only guy who has noticed this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:00 PM
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Toxic masculinity is anything that guys claim is unattractive to women, when in actuality women couldn’t give a shit No, it really isn't. Insecurity has always been around, it's not specific to men. In fact, all of "toxic masculinity" has historically been labeled something else, it's just, women wanted a term to use to limit it to only men's behavior, so they called it "toxic masculinity", because they themselves don't want to admit to having shitty behavior that hurts themselves. Also a lot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 10:47 PM
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YOU asked an opinionated question. You are asking if the responder believes that men only care about sex. Jesus, how dumb are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 07:44 PM
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You do know what "in general" means, right? Should I whip out the crayons for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 07:15 PM
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What? Why would I give a shit about the guys you talk to. If I told you I my girl friends agree with me and say that you are either very stupid or very young, would you give a shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 07:06 PM
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You dont understand guys in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 07:00 PM
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Is it sexist to say that there are some things that one gender is incapable of understanding about the other? Im incapable of knowing what giving birth feels like, is it sexist for me to say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 06:54 PM
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I'm not insulted or mad, I didnt even say that men have a one track mind, I said men think of women's personalities like women think of mens dicks. Your guy friends will say whatever, if my girl friends asked me what you are asking your guy friends, I'd respond to her the same way your guy friends are responding to you, because as a woman, you are incapable of understanding, and I have neither the will nor the crayons to explain to my female friends these concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 06:49 PM
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Dude, first of all, toxic masculinity is most definitely not a thing. There is shitty behaviour, and that behaviour is done by both men and women. Second, TRP isnt about realizing that women are human, it's about realizing that you were lied to, that your grandfathers and great grandfathers were right to not treat women like men, that the concept of equality is a joke that women played on men. And third, while women's hypergamy has just become unrealistic, the fact is that dating apps are basica…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 06:11 PM
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Ah, so we are down to the "no you!" Rebuttal, which is exactly what women and children resort to when they know they lost an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 04:13 PM
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That's because workplace sexual harassment is committed by men the overwheming majority of the time. What? no they aren't. That's the viewpoint because when women commit harassment, people ignore it. That's what those presentation imply, and people like you chew it up. There are plenty of advocates for having consent both ways and saying men need to as well. Where? show me. Did they actually make any progress? Yes you do. Most millennial women want every trace of the 50s to disappear Again, show…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 03:57 PM
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It's only stupid because you knowb it doesnt align with your sexist viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 03:49 PM
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Oh come on, the workplace cannot be equal because of the same reason why dating cannot be equal, the woman can bear children. A personal choice that restrains the individual from doing their job. Men and women arent equal in the workplace, we pretend they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 02:57 PM
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> Never said it was, I would say this to anyone. I seriously doubt you say it to women. Maybe not intentionally, I mean, women aren't as blunt in their awful behavior as men. > Society does not antagonize men or call them toxic Oh, but they do. You obviously haven't read an HR textbook or a psychology textbook recently. You haven't been in a workplace with sexual harassment training where the victims in examples and sliedes all happen to be women and the people commiting harassment always happen…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 05:22 AM
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> Someone has to start, someone has to do what is right, because it is right, so that others can follow. There are amazing people out there who help others and look out for the well being of their fellow humans. That's not up to men. Men, as a gender, have sacrificed time and time again, and here we are. A society that antagonizes men, that calls them "toxic", that treats 80% of them like they are genetically inferior and should be bred out of the gene pool. It's time women took that stance and …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 04:25 AM
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Look, when the game rigged and everyone is cheating, only an idiot plays by the rules because it's "right" > There are awful men, and there are awful women The difference is, awful women are praised. So if being awful is what is wanted by our modern society, and if being awful is a part of society (which it is), then being awful is what you have to be. There was a thread the other day that said that it's good that women are picky because it's weeding out the lower value men and, in the long run,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 04:02 AM
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It's comes from the same place that women use to, say, accept a man buying a drink but turning him down for the date, or, say, expecting a man to pay for dinner. I've seen friends, good men with good hearts, ambition and pretty average looking being turned down time and time again, only to see those girls end up with guys that beat them, and cheat on them. The truth of the matter is, everyone on this planet is out for themselves and their own interest, especially when it comes to the SMP. There …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 03:52 AM
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Look, growing up in a world where every man you pass is a "potential rapist", but the way modern women were raised was something completely different. They grew up in a world where all men are misogynist, where they have been portrayed as clumsy and dumb, and the ones that were smart and successful sexually harass women. They also grew up in a world of "I don't need no man", "women are super moms", and "a woman can do anything a man can but better". The truth is, none of that is true. I think wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 03:11 AM
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> It is illogical to think this way considering most young people spend so much time online and a woman's options and access to better guys greatly increases. But men don't spend their time online trying to find someone to commit to, they spend their time online looking for sex either through porn or through dating apps. The dating app is just the modern day brothel, but women haven't realized it yet. Like I said, LTR and marriages occur out of dating apps, but as you mentioned, the vast majorit…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 02:25 AM
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Well, the thing about it is, women on dating apps are "leftovers". Basically, they are women that have something wrong with them. Single moms, crazy, promiscuous, socially awkward, lazy, feminist, whatever. Basically if you are a woman and you are on that dating app because you "don't have time to date in real life", there is something else wrong with you. It's like a virgin in his late 20's, women don't want virgins in their late 20's because "there's something wrong with them". I've never used…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 02:17 AM
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But they are similar, in many ways. Think about it. As a woman, if a guy whips out his dick, you probably dont get wet, hell, you probably are repulsed by it. But when you are in a relationship, and you've built a bond with the guy, you grow a tolerance to it,maybe even begin to like it. Same with men, women's personalities are basically just "meh, whatever". As men bond with the woman, their personalities become tolerable. But there's generally no time in the relationship where a guy sits there…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 11:29 PM
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Well, you said I'm projecting personal shortcomings onto everyone, and that was one of the statements I made. "Men enjoy women's personalities about as much as women enjoy random mens dicks". So clearly, if I'm wrong in making that statement, then women love dick picks and random guys dicks. Or is it only parts of my statements that you dont agree with that I'm wrong on?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 10:50 PM
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Oh okay, so women love dick picks and love seeing random dudes dicks. Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:14 PM
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Dudes know better than to tell women this upfront, that's why you wont find me or any other guy saying it to women that we are interested in. I'm sorry that you dont like it, but men dont really care about women's personalities. There's reason for that, even the best of women's personalities barely meet the minimum for mens expectations. Women dont understand men, and they dont make an effort to. Men find women's personalities about as interesting as women find random guys dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:01 PM
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Bitter? News to me, educate me, what am I bitter about? Edit: TIL a person is bitter for stating facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 02:51 AM
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You are literally having somebody physically dominate you and put themselves inside of you. And as a man, you are opening yourself up for rape allegations (which, lets face it, is a 'guilty until proven innocent' kinda crime) I literally could not care less about your condo or donations, but nice flex I guess. I'm glad you got it out. Hey, you are the one that brought it up. I'm not a hypocrite. You just aren't that smart. I may not be that smart, but I'm smart enough to know that you are hypocr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 02:49 AM
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Relationships and sex are inherently more complicated and risky for a woman, and she should do what she needs to do to screen the uninterested men from the interested men. No, they really aren't. While it's true that low value men sometimes pay, high effort men ALWAYS pay. High effort, low value. Have you ever SEEN woman's DMs or Tinder match profile? Again, those are leftovers from women who can't get dates in the real world. And just because you're a man without money or generosity doesn't mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 02:41 AM
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He is the primary beneficiary of paying for our date if I decide to see him again Okay, so you said two things here. The first is that he is the primary beneficiary, which isn't true. The fact is, he is also deciding whether or not he'll go on a second date with you. If you both decide to go out on a second date, you are both benefiting in that it's a step towards a relationship for both of you. The second is, he only gets the benefit if you decide to see him again. So, it's a contingent benefit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 02:26 AM
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I enjoy feeling pretty when I go out So, you are the primary beneficiary of the money you spend on your looks, which means that's an excuse for you to use. You might as well say "well, I spend money on looking good, so society should pay for my mortgage!". I do mind when guys stare at my tits or ass. Are we going to split the very obvious hairs on that topic? I'm really bored with it. We aren't splitting hairs, we are making a distinction between entitlement and reimbursement. You are arguing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 02:09 AM
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I've already forked out $100 in clothes, hair, nails, and all the other things Whoa whoa whoa, hold up sec. You are doing that for men? Or for yourself. Because if it's for men, then you shouldn't have problems with men staring at you in public, it's for them, afterall, right? Men don't notice your highlights, your nails, your eyelashes, hell, they barely even notice your blush. And in terms of clothes, men are also putting on clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 01:54 AM
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> how would you feel if a girl told you this was her rule? Fine by me as long as we are talking about sex right away, and of course, she does the test too. > would you feel offended at her demanding a STD test from you? nope. She doesn't know me, why would I be offended at a person looking to keep themselves safe?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 01:50 AM
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Again, that's not how our society works. See, the problem is, people like you want society to believe that differences in the genders only exist when those differences benefit women, but when the differences don't benefit women, well it's all an inquality that needs to be fixed. You aren't equals if you expect someone to pay for you, just like you aren't equals if you expect to be chased. That's not equality. And that's not differences that compliment each other. Differences that compliment each…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 01:47 AM
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Oh, there's problems, but we are a society of equality. And women are adults, not children (or at least they want to be treated like adults). Women can have the right to join the NFL, but if they are stupid enough to, then, how do they say it-"darwinism at work"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 01:39 AM
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If it's that cheap, then why don't you pay for it yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 01:36 AM
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And if you did, I'd be right there beside you, so long as we aren't changing the rules of the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 01:35 AM
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And yet, it goes back to advancing in the outside world when it's time to end that relationship/marriage. It's funny how women always find an excuse to behave in hypocritical ways
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 01:08 AM
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And you know very well that in the overwhelming majority of dates, it isnt a $4 coffee. Men work hard and invest their time into earning every penny they get, and women have the money to pay for themselves, its hypocritical for you to say that women feeling entitled to things from men is any different from men being entitled to things from women on a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 01:06 AM
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So you want to he "equal" in things that benefit you, but not equal when they dont. Imagine the uproar of men said "men and women are equal but different. Men belong in the workplace, women belong in the home. See? Equal but different"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 12:59 AM
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This is like saying not going for a second date after not getting sex on the first is vetting for sexual compatibility. Women are so hypocritical that they are basically redefining the the word
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 12:57 AM
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What do you think men do when they ask women out? They fake interest to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 03:36 AM
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Good moral character? as defined by who? women? Haven't you noticed? Women's personalities have always been in men's peripheral vision. Women's personalities have always come second.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 01:41 AM
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> Rape is relatively rare in human evolutionary history Relative to what? The amount of consented sex? Do you honestly believe that? I mean, isn't it women that keep reminding us that we are living in a "rape culture", or is that only used when it's convenient? Historically speaking, rape has been a part of every culture and every civilization, regardless of whether or not it was legal. Rape of slaves, rape of prisoners of war or just flat out domestic rape, you don't have to search for very lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 01:33 AM
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Honey, men were the ones that have always wanted young, pretty, thin women. Women lost their shit because men "judged women on looks instead of personality". Now its misogynistic and "toxic masculinity" to want young, pretty and thin women. Also, if we are talking about the survival of offspring, then biologically speaking, the "quantity over quality" method is actually more effective. So, should we be going out there and telling men to rape every woman they want for the sake of "biology" and ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:56 PM
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But neither does selecting based on looks or resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 04:02 PM
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It's because little boys are being brainwashed into thinking that being boys and being men is a bad thing. Remember, it's "toxic masculinity" not "toxic behaviour".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 03:38 AM
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No matter what government is in power, the resources will be used to make sure that men pay for the choices of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 03:36 AM
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Biologically speaking, it's also true that it's good for men to use their physical superiority to turn women into slaves. Biologically speaking, it's good for men to rape women in order to pass on their seed. If you use the "biology" argument, men can do the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 03:33 AM
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I cant tell, is that sarcasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 04:22 AM
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In terms of the first, the only reason why women are the gatekeepers of sex is because of human intervention. Nature gave men the ability to have sex with any woman they wanted by making men the physically stronger sex. It's only human intervention that has denied men the ability that nature gave them. It's human intervention that made men disposable. I'm not saying it's right for men to rape women, I'm just pointing out that nature isn't always fair, and when nature isn't fair to women, society…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 03:10 AM
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Obviously not since women every worked really really hard to brainwash men from a very, very young age into thinking and believing the opposite. But women did that. And the thing about children is, if a person who they perceive has influence over their lives (for example, a mother, a teacher, an older sister etc.) reinforce something consistently when they are young enough, they will start to believe it. But then, let me put it this way. Do women seriously need to be told that not every man out …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 03:03 AM
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Really, can you name one case where a police officer was the legal representative of an individual in a court of law? Lawyers are officers of the court, and representatives of individuals. When you say "onus of proof....." you are talking about the individual. That individual can choose to represent themselves and provide proof, or they can choose to have others represent them, in which case those "others" are acting on his/her behalf. Just like it isnt the police officers or the lawyers respons…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 09:49 PM
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Men dont say that the law shouldn't have repercussions for rape, men argue that the onus of proof should fall on the accuser, and cases should require substantial proof as the sentence that it carries is substantial. No one said there shouldn't be severe consequences for rape, but people are saying that if we are going to sentence a person to prison and destroy his life, let's at least have dependable proof that isnt simply the victim's word. If that's not logical and reasonable to you, then you…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 09:35 PM
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Imagine if I said "I haven't raped anyone, I dont know anyone who has, therefore the law shouldn't have repercussions for rape, because clearly rape doesnt happen". That's basically the argument you are making.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 09:18 PM
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Your personal situation is not the point of discussion. I can give you examples and anecdotes proving the opposite (and as I actually and often times have to read court cases for my job, I have many examples). The fact of the matter is that even lawyers admit to significant bias against men based solely on gender that exists Inherently in our system. Every lawyer knows that women have the ability to negatively and intentionally have an affect on mens lives in the divorce, an ability which the la…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 09:10 PM
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Better lawyer=more cost. It's the bias in the law that makes it a requirement for men to get an expensive lawyer while women can basically represent themselves and win. And decency is required from both the man and the woman for peace, women often make decisions from an emotional place during a divorce, resulting in a lack of decency from her side, and lack of peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 08:12 PM
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Yes she is. Joint custody in the states is often times a weekend or 2 a month for the man and the rest of the time with the woman. 4 days a month isnt enough time to create or nurture any sort of parental bond, and men know that as time goes on, they end up being "the guy that they see every other weekend". So logically speaking, from the man's perspective, there's no point. If men want equal custody, they have to spend a lot of money, and they rarely get it. Again, men behaving logically to bia…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 08:01 PM
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Right, but shes getting rewarded for that by being given preferential treatment in custody. She is automatically the custodial parent, and the responsibility (and cost) is placed on men to fight for the right to be with their own kids. That's a significant reward. also, the man didnt and couldn't have forced her to make that decision, she chose it. Why should she paid for her own decisions? If I choose to use the self check out, so you think I am entitled to sue the grocery shop for wages? The g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 07:32 PM
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But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that an average can be determined of gow much money you made throughout your marriage vs him, if you've made 1/3 more than him every year, then you deserve 4/6th (67%) of the marital asset. That calculation can be done very very easily considering most people file income taxes on an annual basis. In the case where men earn more (which is still the majority of cases) they should get assets equal to their portion of income co tributed into the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 07:16 PM
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> who legally owns half of it But if she didn't pay for it, it isn't her stuff. The legality of it is what I'm saying is pushing men towards cheating as opposed to simply divorcing. when the law favors one group of people over the other, people negatively affected tend to find ways around the law. ​ > If men want joint custody or even full custody, they can get a lawyer and pursue that Yeah, in order to do that, they'd have to incur tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, and in most cases, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 07:07 PM
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Your attitude is why men cheat and turn to substance abuse, look at your comments. You aren't addressing the problem at all, if the man wants an out, he should have one that has the same repercussions as the out that women have. Women have the choice to work on their marriage or not, if they don't want to work on it, they won't lose their kids, and they aren't antagonized in similar ways that you have antagonized our hypothetical man living in misery. Your acting like it's the man's job to do wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 06:17 PM
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What's the point of trying to fix a marriage if no one cares about what's you think are the problems with the marriage? See, women don't actually understand this. No one cares about men. If a guy sits in counselling and says "well, I work 12 hour days, 6 days a week and she doesn't work at all, but every day I come home and she's yelling at because it's 'my turn' to do chores'", the Councillor will go like "well, you need to do your share of the chores". If a man complains about intimacy, "well,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 04:46 PM
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Yea, I know logic is hard for women, do want me to put on some "dora the explorer" for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:31 AM
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Or ya know, men simply don't initiate divorces when they are unhappy due to marital law taking away their assets and children, so instead, they decide to turn to cheating and substance abuse. After all, why lose your assets and children by initiating a divorce, if you can, say, take a chance on cheating? Ultimately, if women don't want to be treated like children, they shouldn't behave like children. But then, your point makes a good argument against OP. Because if women are initiating divorces …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 02:33 AM
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No one implied"fastest, strongest or tallest" except you. A short, slow, weak man could have obtained the most resources and social status by creating, say, a bow and arrow. Which would have given him the ability to obtain resources (in this case meat). His ability to have meat would have given him social status. So, again, the natural role of men is to compete in resources, not in physical attributes. Physical attributes only came into play for physical protection, which is no longer a role tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 07:47 PM
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The natural role of men is is to provide the "hunter role", ie. To financially support and physically protect their families. Womens natural role is to show that they are willing and able to complete the child rearing role. It's only due to society's intervention that those natural roles have been disturbed. Women didnt want to have those natural roles anymore. The idea that men have to peacock around is relatively new, its not natural at all. Historically speaking, men simply had to show that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:32 PM
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Men dont have to either. Men arent peacocks, especially considering that the thing that men want most from women is very easily accessible without the need to be a peacock. The sexual revolution was great in freeing men too, and prostitution has always and will always be available. At the end of the day, men have options to not be peacocks, and men seem to be taking those options.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 05:51 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 01:47 AM
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Absolutely. I sometimes look at myself, I've been in a few LTR's, and just casually dated a lot. But when I compare myself to my friends who've been in one or two LTR's that they are now either married to, or planning to marry, I feel a little sad for them. One guy doesn't know how to do laundry. Another guy doesn't even know how to make rice without a rice cooker. I mean, come on. The only difference between me and them is the time I didn't commit to a LTR. While they were spending their money …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 01:47 AM
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Because that isn't what happened with men's preferences. Don't forget, we can't call fat women "fat" anymore, we have to say they are "plus sized". When men wanted skinny beautiful women, society went off the rails. Little boys just starting puberty were brainwashed into thinking that their preference for skinny, beautiful women was somehow wrong, and that they should want women for WHO they are instead of what they look like. Women didn't sit there and say "you know what? men are right. That's …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 01:38 AM
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Yeah, but it's your job to make yourself more than just a hole to use. Women want to be special by default, but they aren't. Most women bring very little to men's lives, other than the use of their holes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 01:35 AM
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It's not that men had a mental breakdown. TRP and men who were affected by the realization that they are required to be more than themselves in order to be attractive to women are men who grew up being told by women that just being yourself would be enough. They believed it, because, as young boys, it's logical to think that a woman telling you that being yourself would be enough to attract a woman to mate with would be true. So when they grew up, and realized that it isn't true, it affected the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 01:33 AM
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The average guy doesn't spend a penny on his girlfriend's makeup unless it's for a gift or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 09:22 PM
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> What I give to one man, the rest are not entitled to. Simple. Be worthy of my effort and I'll gladly make it for you. Except, men don't care about the effort your putting in. They'd rather if you put in the effort in paying for what you had for dinner. Ask any man alive "would you prefer a woman to put on make-up and pay $50 for nails before a date, or would you rather she pays for her own dinner", and I guarentee you most will say "I'd prefer if she pays for her share".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 07:08 PM
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If there is a significant possibility of you being wrong (significant enough for an entire gender to "know the deal and shut you down", then it's a guess. Look, whether you want to believe it or not, the overwhelming majority of men who have experience with women will tell you that there is no actual way of knowing if a woman is attracted to you. And there is no woman alive with half a brain that would argue that women make their attraction to men as obvious as men make it to women. So men are g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 07:07 PM
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Oh, that's not sarcasm. So then you are simply delusional. It's a "Vibe" is code for "guessing". It's like saying "oh, I don't need a speedometer, I know what 60mph feels like". You might be right a few times, but basically all your doing is guessing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:59 PM
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Well, society has gone into great strength to tell us otherwise, and they've forced the equality of women often times by taking from men. So, although you are right, since society started on this path, it needs to either abandon it completely, which won't happen, or continue to force equality, even when that equality doesn't benefit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:57 PM
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Uh, according to women, women do all that stuff for themselves not for men. Remember when men would say "well, if women didn't want us to stare at their chest, they shouldn't wear a dress that shows so much cleavage" and women went "I wore that dress because IIII Liked it, am I supposed to not wear the things I like because you can't control your dick?". You can't have it both ways, either you spend the money to look good for men, meaning that men can and should look at you in lustful ways, or y…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:51 PM
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> If a woman finds you sexually attractive, she will approach you and explicitly attempt to initiate sex. Is this you trying to make a joke? Sarcasm maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 03:28 PM
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Exactly. So you are essentially guessing, which makes it easy to confuse wanting a friendship with wanting a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 03:26 PM
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Because women are so subtle in showing signs that they like are interested in men. Seriously, can women clearly outline "wanting a relationships" behavior vs "wanting a friendship" behavior? When men want a relationship, they ask, when women want a relationship they what? They laugh at your jokes? They touch your hand? They point their bodies towards you when sitting? All of these things are the same kind of things that friends do to maintain a friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:57 PM
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> Because she was naive and had no life experience. He is to blame knowing that and still did not refrain any of those behaviours in front of her. Why would he refrain from anything? She was an adult. If she got in a car and ran an older man over, would you say it's the older man's fault because he shouldn't have been in her way since she was "naive" and "had no life experience". Ridiculous > I blame Johnny Depp not being mature enough to date a woman of his age, going to rehab, being a man that…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:53 PM
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That's because you don't understand men
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:51 PM
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What? Why are you blaming johnny depp for Winona Ryder's decisions? He dated a BARELY 18 winona Ryder, 18 is 18. What difference does it make if she turned 18 yesterday, or 362 days ago? You are blaming her choice to become addicted to drugs on him? She's an adult, she made her own choices, blame her for her choices. Yeah, he left his wife and kids, so what? When a woman makes a choice to get a divorce, leave her husband and take her kids away from their father, it's "her right", when a man make…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:13 AM
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> he people in power are probably 80+% men. That's simply not true. Men may have 80%+ of higher positions, but a man who behaves in a way that women don't like gets his reputation destroyed and he gets fired from his job. I remember the story of a judge who was ruling over a rape case, he didn't find there to be evidence of rape, and women went nuts. It was all over the news. The judge lost his reputation, he lost his job, and 3 months later the whole thing was retried with a female judge, and I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:09 AM
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Women. Women don't actually make an effort to understand men, unlike men being forced to make an effort in order to mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:00 AM
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No, it's not an over saturation of men. Consider why there is an uneven men to women ratio in these apps, I mean, it's not like there are significantly more men then women in this world. The reason why men flock to these apps is because they don't like the inequality in the SMP regarding the approach. Why should I go to a club and spend money on cover and drinks for women that probably won't go on a date with me, when I can simply say some stupid line on an app and bypass spending money on her u…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:54 AM
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This is very well put.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 08:03 PM
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They get tired of peacocking around.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 07:02 PM
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So if he's worked hard in his life accumulate wealth, it's justified for someone to just take that wealth from him just because he worked hard enough to accumulate wealth?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 07:00 PM
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Honestly, I've asked myself that a lot. Every time I've spent time with a woman, it's like I try, I really really try to enjoy their company, but honestly, it's so rare that I do. Most women have this jaded view on the world and on life. They live in a world where they have such little responsibility, but they don't actually realize it, so they talk to you about these huge humongous problems that they have, which to you are just a joke. They want you to just sit there and listen, not simply hear…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:50 PM
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Look, I have little respect for someone saying that a person can't change their inherent biology, and I'll tell you why. Men's inherent biology is to obtain sex by any means necessary, including violence. Yet, our society is expecting men to change that inherent biology. So, it's not really an excuse to say "well, women can't change who they are", sure they can and should, men have been expected to, so why shouldn't women? Personally, I think that an inclusion of education for pre pubescent girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:22 PM
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> We’ve made life freer for individuals and more unstable for families. I'd strongly disagree with this comment considering that individual's tax dollars goes to fund the needs of families more than the needs of individuals. Why are we expecting unmarried individuals to pay for public education, for example? The problem with this article is that, it beats around the bush around the idea that the nuclear family was a mistake for women, not for men. Women's ideal society is one where she mates wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 05:32 AM
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Crying. Anger can solve problems, it can be productive. Crying is equivalent to shutting down. That's why when a male co-worker gets angry, he's usually told to go for a walk, but when a woman starts crying, she's told to go home.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 05:13 AM
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Terstosterone is definitely one of them, but I would say that it's also evolution. Women aren't doers, they are complainers. They became this way because when they complain men fix things for them. That's how it's always been. That's why women were able to change the dynamic of society not through war, but by coming together with other women and complaining as a group, so loud and annoying that men were basically like "fine, whatever, you can vote too.....I guess. Just stop bitching". Also think…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 05:11 AM
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and you are saying what? That men should strive to make these kinds of poor choices? Those pornstars and sluts have partners, I never said they didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 01:55 AM
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Depends on what it is she's asking for. If she's approaching to ask me out on a date, then yeah, she's paying for it. It's absolutely logical, what do you mean? When a man is approaching, he is buying what the woman is selling. The price for whatever she is selling is him asking. Since women don't ask, men are always the one paying. Payment isn't just money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 04:42 AM
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In what way? What do you think payment is? Even by today's standards, the simple fact that it's men who are expected to approach, and not women, means that men pay more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:41 AM
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No, I think I'm pretty on topic. As you said, the topic is "men paying to be with women in one way or another". My argument is that men have always brought more to relationships than women, whether that entails sacrificing their lives for the safety of the women, or working in mines or on railroads in order to be able to financially support women. Women brought to the marriage, no one said they didn't, but men brought more, which means they paid more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:29 AM
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Sure, now compare what men were doing in those exact eras. Smearing cow manure on roofs doesn't compare to working in mines, on railroads or sacrificing your life in the army. I mean, you could say women "fought" in WWII, but the majority of women were what? nurses? They made bullets? They weren't the ones being torn limb from limb by bullets in masses.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:18 AM
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Maybe things are changing, but they haven't changed yet. Women have always complained about having to take care of a hubby, even when it was men that was paying for their lifestyle. You can find books as far back as history goes with women complaining, that's what women do. But the truth is, we all know that it was men who were making the necessary sacrifices to keep women alive, fed, and sheltered.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:10 AM
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I don't have to know, women will tell you. The average women will say that she feels justified in lying about her n-count to her significant other. Think about it this way, in statistics, it was estimated that about 44% of women lie about their n-count. 44% for an anonymous study that will ultimately have no impact on the woman's lives. What figure do you think that grows to when those women know that if they don't lie, they could lose a man that they love or are interested in. And women sleep a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:01 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:57 AM
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Even so, if you analyse relationships, I'd bet every penny that I have that the number of relationships where men bring more than women dwarfs the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:56 AM
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No, I don't think so. The problem is that it isn't evolution that created this discrepancy in the sex scene, it's human intervention through legislature. Nature gave men the ability to have sex as often as they want by the use of their superior physical strength. I'm not just talking about rape, women are not optimal employees. I see it every day, they are emotional, vindictive, and yeah, having a baby that requires her to take months or upwards of a year off is very disruptive to the corporatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:52 AM
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Exception is not the rule. The fact is that the dynamic for the overwhelming majority of relationships is the exact opposite. When we are talking about "men" or "women" there are too many to speak in absolutes, and therefore, we are discussing the majority of cases. Like op said, the 1% might be the super genetically gifted, and those guys may be able to get away not paying bills and not having a job while maintaining a relationship, the remaining 99% have to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:43 AM
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For the same reason that a man that was in prison for domestic abuse makes him a poor choice for commitment from women. They have made choices in their lives that show most people that they are poor choices for partners. What bothers them is that a woman with a nigh n-count couldn't get someone to commit them, so there must be SOMETHING wrong with them. It's like, how, most women will say that a man who is a virgin in his mid to late twenties is a dealbreaker because "men are known to want sex, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:41 AM
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> Well I am a woman Yeah, so? Are women a hive mind? > To say that all or most women are CCing is stupid and inaccurate. From your point of view, sure. But, you are missing a key factor here. Let me ask you something, say you find out your boyfriend is cheating on you. You ask him "how long ago did you start cheating on me? since the start of the relationship?". He chooses not to answer, what is your assumption going to be? The fact of the matter is because women have a reputation for lying abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:33 AM
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How do you know so much about most women's sexual history? While there are plenty of women who had 1-2 LTR's that simply did not work out, there are as many woman out there who slept around in their 20's. I remember talking to this one woman, she had 2 relationships in her 20's, she broke up with her first boyfriend when she was 26 and got into her next relationship when she was 27. In between those two ages, she slept around a lot. Women like that are very common, if they weren't, lying about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:08 AM
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No, you are trying to find a way to invalidate what I'm saying by coming up with some made up criteria that you deem as a requirement for a person to be able to have this discussion. What are we even disagreeing on? You don't believe men enjoy their children as much as women? Seriously? I feel bad for your 3 kids, they are going to grow up seriously fucked up if their mother has this view of their father.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 05:30 AM
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So you can't ask someone who doesn't have kids, you can't ask someone who isn't at a stage in there parenthood that you deem a necessity, what's next? "you can't ask this question to a person who doesn't have a vagina". Look I know this may come as a surprise to you, and I know it's hard for you to believe and accept, but men enjoy parenthood and love their children just as much as women. I can't believe we live in a world where there are people like you who are even questioning that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 05:25 AM
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What difference does it make? Why are you looking for things to invalidate the argument of anyone who doesn't agree with you? And yes, I do have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 05:03 AM
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Who said anything about nurturing tasks, we are discussing enjoyment of children. If it's obvious that men dont enjoy nurturing tasks, then it is also obvious that women dont enjoy financially supporting their children, considering the discrepancy between working hours. But again, we arent discussing which parts of child care men and women enjoy, we are discussing the fact that men get equal enjoyment from their kids as women .
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 03:51 AM
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What makes you think children are enjoyed less by men then by women? I'd argue that isn't true. I think that's a misconception because men have spent less time with their children then women, but people don't discuss why. It's important to remember that women have always expected men to support them and their children, and men have always done so. The workplace (especially historically speaking) isn't the place for children. Men did what they had to for their children, and that has been misconst…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 02:18 AM
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Not likely to happen in a few generations. Men have been trying to breed out ugly women since the start of time, hasn't exactly gone as fast as men like.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 03:49 AM
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Attractive to who? Attraction is subjective. But, assuming attraction is objective as you are implying, the truth of the matter is this: Men have always, and I mean always, been stressing the importance of looks. Men have been honest about what they want and what they like, even in the earliest books, women are described in terms of beauty. Men, on the other hand, have been associated with power and wealth. Is it really a surprise to you that a person who has made scrambled eggs every day of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 02:30 AM
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So you are saying that cheating on your wife is okay as long as you lie about it and they don't find out, right? What's the real difference here? Perception?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 02:04 AM
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This is like arguing that if a woman gets pregnant, and the man wants to abort but she doesn't, the man should disappear. Look, either you are expecting honesty from relationships or you aren't. It isn't a "yeah honesty here but not there" kind of thing. All of your points with the exception of STD's have one thing in common, how men view or construe her sexual history. The fact is this, if you are lying in order to change a person's view to your liking, then you are manipulating that other pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 02:00 AM
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> If this is the case, why have SO many of my sweet, “innocent” friends gotten cheated on? Treated like shit and abused? Because: > Women like selfish badboys who show they don’t care See, every person alive is selfish and doesn't care about others at some point in their lives. It's a unique type of person that is selfish and doesn't care all of the time. Women only see a small portion of the male population as sexual beings, as potential mating partners. Those men don't have a hard time getting…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 01:30 AM
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Sure, don't expect guys to "go to work" to get you on a date, don't get a guy to pay for you, and maybe guys won't see sex as the just reward of their efforts, and instead, as a part of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:37 AM
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Sure. The problem with today's woman is that she thinks she's better looking than she actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:32 AM
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If I had to take a guess, I would say it's because as women get married and age, their interest in sex decreases, in contrast, men's labido seems to continue. So, I guess, the logic would be that sex is only interesting to women while it is a new experience, and not an inherent pleasure in and of itself. It's like, men will enjoy sex, but will enjoy good sex more. Even if you starfish, yeah, men may not like it, but they'll still have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:31 AM
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Women have enjoyed the benefits of those wars more than anyone else on earth. You live in a world where your fear of being attacked or raped is superficial the overwhelming majority of the time. The majority of our advancements to this point in society was a direct cause of war. As terrible as war may be, if you look at the history of human beings, there is consistently a time of advancement directly after a war. There may have been a few men who started those wars, but it's the ability of all o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/20 05:45 PM
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> Right- men have a desire to spread seeds & plunge multiple single mothers into poverty Nobody is plunging anybody into anything. Women have the right to choose to be mothers after conception, remember? men aren't afforded the same privileged. > Who’s going to supply you this variety The same people who supply women with tall, muscular, rich, charming, funny, career-drive but family oriented, masculine but tender, [insert km long list here] men to women. > Brain dead. The majority of you are br…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/20 02:06 AM
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Men and women arent the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/20 12:57 AM
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No, not insecurity. It's the lock and key scenario. A lock that can be opened by any key isnt a good lock. Women are known to be picky, so a woman with a high n-count isnt very picky, which means there is something wrong with her. From a womans perspective, think about a good looking 30 year old virgin. Most women dont want to date a 30 year old virgin because they know something must be wrong with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 02:53 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 04:10 AM
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Because certain groups decide to throw the first stone with terms like "toxic masculinity".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 04:03 AM
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I choose to not be in LTR's and just enjoy the only thing that women have of value without giving up commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 04:00 AM
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Companionship. Affection. Turning a house into a home. Someone to help pay the bills. Half (or typically more) of the chores. Someone to go to the movies, hiking, or the gym with. Someone to cultivate hobbies with Is this the "general" things that women bring that you are referring to? If you read my comment, I only addressed these, I didn't address the specific details relating to your own situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 03:33 AM
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Right, but the question wasn't "what do you, as an individual woman, bring to your relationship that your SO values?". The question was "what do women bring to the table in relationships?". It's a more general question. Maybe answer the question being asked next time?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 03:22 AM
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The only thing that the overwhelming majority of women bring to a relationship that is valuable to men is easy access to sex. Everything else is easily replaceable. I know women don't like to believe it, but it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 03:20 AM
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And yet, the exact same thing is being done by most women who answer this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 03:17 AM
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I don't think I've ever exploded after being rejected. But, I can certainly understand why men do it. Let me put it this way, we all have insecurities, right? You look in the mirror, and all you see are the little things that make you hate yourself, things that most people don't even notice. We all have a hard time loving ourselves, loving how we look. I'm sure even hitler and stalin believed that they were good people, that they weren't evil or malicious. That is being human, we spend a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 03:09 AM
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None of those things are very valuable to men. Campanionship and affection often times translates to "nagging", I know women don't believe it (or don't want to), but a woman is just as likely to nag you as she is to provide any companionship or affection. Women don't know how to effectively provide companionship or affection for men. They think men are like women, and when they see that they are wrong, they try to convince men to be like women. Think about the "talking about your feelings" issue…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 02:49 AM
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Well, based on your own logic, the only thing that makes a relationship a relationship is sex, and last I checked, you need two people to have sex. So, men bring money and sex, what do women bring?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 02:33 AM
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Lol, really? Cause if this was true, then the "patriarchy" would be blamed on women, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 02:31 AM
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So, you have a problem believing that other people don't have the same viewpoint as you? The overwhelming majority of men care about n-counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 02:29 AM
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> Neither does dating a skinny girl, so what's your point? No, but as a woman, being skinny vastly increases her chances of finding a decent relationship. As a man, having money increases the probability of having shitty relationships. > Again, could say the same thing about a woman's weight. Really? When have you ever heard a guy say "I can love a woman who's fat". I mean come on. > That's a lie. Otherwise, you'd see far more men dating/marrying strippers, porn stars, and golddiggers. In realit…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 02:21 AM
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Jesus christ. It's not "asking for consent". It's showing that you care. No, it's asking for consent. That's the actual legal term, and that is what you are actually doing. Let me put it this way, if it's "showing that you care" then why isn't it expected from women? Are women somehow exempt from "showing that they care"? Imagine if an average sexual encounter with a woman stopped short of you having an orgasm. She came, pushed you off, and called it done. And if women did that, and men complain…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 02:06 AM
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Between men being expected to ask for consent between every thrust, and men asking what a woman wants, it seems like people like you want sex to be more like a game of 20 questions instead of an intimate interaction. I'll tell you what, why dont we just tell men to type up an engagement letter for every sexual interaction? "On this day, january the 29 of 2020, both parties provide full and legal consent to the act of coitus. Throughout the act of coitus, person A will complete the following acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 03:20 PM
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Right, but women arent being expected to read mens minds about what gets them off. Men tell women, very bluntly. As I said, if you arent willing to communicate, then dont expect the guy to do what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 04:30 AM
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Except it isnt basic courtesy. Women dont do anywhere near the amount of "courtesy" that they expect from men. Dont try to make it something that it isnt. The only courtesy of men is the equivalent courtesy of women, and that is showing up. Anything above and beyond that is just that, going above and beyond. If you want to use a vibrator, go right ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 04:02 AM
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Right, but having money alone doesnt guarentee a man a decent relationship. In fact, most women would argue that they can never love a man just because he has money. Most men will say that they absolutely can and do love women based on their looks, of which the biggest factor is their weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 12:32 AM
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Guys don't have to do that, but girls don't have to do much to get guys off. How can women expect guys to get them off when they don't want to communicate?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 05:48 AM
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Yeah, the reason why men's expectation on weight is more realistic than most of women's expectations is that men's expectation is something that the woman can control. A man can't, for example, control being 6 feet tall. The 72% of women who are overweight can lose weight, it's not easy, but it's not impossible. A man can't magically increase his height.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 03:19 AM
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I'm very confused about your question. Respect is something that you earn, it can't be given. You can't respect ALL women or ALL men. You can tolerate all women and all men, but you can't respect them. For example, I have a great deal of respect for my boss. She's a woman, and her competence, which she's shown men throughout the 3 years that I've worked for her, is what makes me respect her. When I took the job, I tolerated her. How you view the other gender is up to you, you seem to expect that…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 01:09 AM
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Depends on how you plan to explain and prove consent in a court of law, and what the repercussions are of a legal system that doesn't empirically follow the written law that you plan on implementing. Consent is a useless concept, it's a cop-out that allows a woman to accuse any man of a high-tier crime while putting an impossible burden of proof on the person accused, not the person doing the accusing. How can you prove consent when discussing an intimate interaction where there were only two pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 12:57 AM
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Option 3. This is a no-win situation, none of the options will make me any happier than I can or would be if I was alone. Also, I find it hard to believe that money can't allow me to fuck a 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 12:54 AM
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> Do you actually enjoy going out of your way and talking to all these women? Especially since RP men don't think much of the women they're with. I enjoy it a hell of a lot more than I enjoyed doing it before the RP. I'm not talking to more women, I'm talking to the same amount of women, but the "gaming" makes the conversation more pleasant. It's also a blast knowing that there won't be any compromises from my part for a relationship from the start. > Do you dislike having to put on a mask and "…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:23 AM
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I'm keeping it simple, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:14 AM
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Are you a guy or a girl? From your name, it sounds like your a girl. Sex matters to guys for a huge number of reasons. The first, and I would say is a minor reason, is biology. I say it's minor because if it was simply just biology and hormones, then masturbation or prostitution could solve the itch, but it doesn't. Which brings it to the second reason, sex is one of the characteristics of being an adult male. It may actually be the only one that matters. What does being an adult mean? Well, to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:13 AM
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Now you are saying the same thing but in two different ways. The fact that she is taking taking care of the children allows him to focus on his and not have gaps in his career, and for that, his is paying the price of losing custody of his children. What benefit is he getting for his assets?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:41 PM
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Okay, so we both agree that the law reimburses women for taking the time with their children by giving them custody of those kids, correct? The problem with the 50/50 split is that we have already established that they haven't contributed to the marriage equally. For his lack of contribution to child care, he pays with his right to see his children and child support. So, why is she getting assets above and beyond what she contributed? What did she do to earn those assets that the man didn't do a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:37 AM
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Except that they do, in fact, get paid for that work. Their pay is in the fact that when the relationship ends, they will have custody of that child and will have greater power to influence that child's upbringing because of the fact that they spent more time with it before the end of the relationship. Not all pay is in bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:27 AM
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How do YOU know what the average person thinks? But, ultimately, you were the one that said that the "manosphere" says that divorce is 100% women's fault because women initiate. I'm just telling you that this isn't a small subset of men in the corners of their parent's basements, and that it is, in fact, the majority if not all men that think it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:19 AM
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You can point it out, but you can't change it. It's simply a fact. The average person does view the statistic that says that women initiate divorce the majority of the time as equivalent to saying that the majority of divorces are women's faults. And it is due to no fault divorce. It's like me saying that women liking tall men is illogical and asinine. Sure,I can point it out, and it is illogical and asinine, but it won't change. Except, in the case of divorce, it isn't illogical or asinine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:10 AM
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What difference does it make? Women usually take a year or two off when they get pregnant, meaning that they aren't trying to work at all. And again I ask, if you always earned more, meaning you paid for the majority of the assets (whether those assets are tangible or intangible), do you think it's fair that half of it goes to him when the relationship ends?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 03:40 AM
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Not how what works? how people view fault? I don't know how you think you have say to magically change how people think. And no, for the 25%, it's the men's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 03:37 AM
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My point is, there is always fault. If we as a society are going to deny the actual fault, then the fault will default to the person who initiated divorce. That's why women are always and will always be at fault for divorce, because they initiated it, and the real reason is ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:52 AM
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No, that's fine, if that equation is consistent. Yet, as women so often remind us, nothing that a man brings or does can or would guarantee him any entitlement to sex. So, in fact, women want A and B, but also want the ability to not give out X. No one is arguing that women want A or B, people are arguing what A and B are that guarentees men sex if they brought it. There's no answer to that. Men want sex with hot young women, and they are willing to work out, pay for dates etc etc. What do women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:50 AM
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Neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:43 AM
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Yeah, but plenty is not the majority. Up until this point, and arguably even now, men have consistently had the higher income, and they have consistently been employed more often than women. The men who quit their jobs and become dead beats are a minority, have always been a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:41 AM
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> their head that whoever filed for divorce was 100% wrong and the other person was 100% innocent. This comes from the concept of "no fault divorce". Obviously, someone is at a fault for the divorce, and if we ignore the indirect actions of either individual, than we have to use the direct action ie. filing for divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:39 AM
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