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| 5 | There is no strong evidence for a correlation between testosterone and aggression.Not really surprised, tbh. Hormones get blamed for way more than they actually earn. So much of low-effort discussions about gender come down to bio-essentialism. Bio-essentialism looks at the ways people behave and pre-emptively concludes that the cause is 1) biological in nature, and 2) evolved to serve a function. I hate bio-essentialism for a lot of reasons: If a trait of [xyz] people is 'nature', it concludes there's no point changing it If a trait is therefore 'useful/functional', it's unr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/25 11:36 PM |
| 1 | Genders should often not be mentioned when discussing solutions to social problems.The solutions don't have to be based on demographics, the demographics just inform better and more nuanced solutions by identifying unmet needs. When you note that 'rural children don't have internet access', and you provide schooling that isn't reliant on the computer, then the poor child in the city that doesn't own a computer also benefits. When you build ramps for the wheelchair, the pram benefits. Etc. Its not just about who is struggling, its looking into why those people struggling and ga… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/02/25 01:15 PM |
| 1 | Genders should often not be mentioned when discussing solutions to social problems.Then it seems we've actually been talking about different things. What I'm talking about is the data we use to create our solutions, based on the premise of your topic: "discussing solutions to social problems". What you're describing seems to be generalisations and core values. I agree that generalisations are not helpful, and our values should not be conditional on who people are. But since this is a community for discussing how social issues affect men in particular, I'm more likely to refer … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/02/25 10:32 AM |
| 1 | Genders should often not be mentioned when discussing solutions to social problems.See, I also think most of what we call 'gender' is actually society and culture. I don't like bio-essentialism, because it uses 'biology' as an excuse to dismiss people's experiences. But the reality is that even if you believe culture is the cause, we do live different lives, and we do have different needs. And if we want to help everybody and not just the visible majority, we need intersectionality. And the thing about intersectionality is that yes, that includes queer and trans people. Recogn… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/02/25 12:39 AM |
| 9 | Genders should often not be mentioned when discussing solutions to social problems.I'd actually go the other direction. I think we'd need to explicitly mention gender, in order to make sure we're addressing the needs of everybody. For solutions to help us all, they need to be intersectional. People have different experiences and when you put all the data in a melting pot, solutions end up neglecting the 'less convenient'/minority demographics that are harder to identify or help, in the name of 'efficiency'. For example, human trafficking includes ~20% of people being sold for … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/02/25 12:34 AM |
| 6 | Disappointing to say the least..Which is stupid, because one cannot exist without the other. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/25 12:42 AM |
| 0 | Disappointing to say the least..Yes, I've noticed that many Americans actually have highly similar views and only think they're divided because of loyalty to the 'tribes' they belong to, or the way they word/explain them. Like how the Affordable Care Act is 'good' but Obamacare is 'bad'. I think the discussion should be less about gender roles and more about self-actualisation, then. The end of gender roles isn't supposed to be that men [must] wear dresses, its that men [may] wear dresses, in a world where we still accept they… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/25 12:28 AM |
| 0 | Disappointing to say the least..I get mixed responses talking to women about men, and its VISIBLY different online/offline. In-person, some women get embarrassed, or defensive. They make 'small dick' jokes at loud cars because culture has just made that The Default Joke, and if I point out the body-shaming inherent in that, they usually become embarrassed - though some give a belligerent 'I was joking' dismissal, of course. Broadly though, I've found that women are quite receptive. I think that genuinely, they don't hear about… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 11:23 PM |
| 6 | Disappointing to say the least..Yeah they do, and its fucking dumb. Name a single gender role for men that doesn't create a gender role for women, and vice versa. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 10:20 PM |
| 5 | Disappointing to say the least..I agree, the words we use are important. How we speak influences how we think. I don't personally use the term 'toxic masculinity' because its meaning has evolved into something harmful. I'd rather reach men where they are and I don't blame them for shoring up to protect themselves when they hear phrases associated with demonising them. For your example, I think I would mourn it. I don't think that's healthy or okay, the same way I don't think 'political lesbians' that swear off men are okay. Ul… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 10:16 PM |
| 6 | Disappointing to say the least..I do in fact, call them gender roles. I've also found that advocating for men is a lot easier when you do so. The reality is that it is impossible to erase gender roles for one gender and keep them for another. The existence of a role for men creates a role for women, and vice versa. I want an end to the gender war. What I would like is for people to engage with the message, and not the words. This screenshot is of a person sharing his pain living in the world as a man. It was very easy for OP t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 09:26 PM |
| 2 | Disappointing to say the least..I see your point. Personally I don't use it either; its corrupted from its original meaning and become a thought-terminating phrase. 'Men's gender roles' is more accurate and less loaded. I think the reason for the separate terms is that toxic masculinity is a subset of [internalised] misandry. Internalised misandry might also include the ways men martyr themselves for their partners - eg, thinking you're a bad person for not buying your gf $100 flowers for Valentines, and believing its silly to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 09:23 PM |
| 19 | Disappointing to say the least..Sounds like he wants to escape the competition and performance of having to present as being 'man enough', which is what toxic masculinity is. The phrase can also be used by women to demean masculinity and men as a whole; but men very much have gender roles, and men are allowed to be frustrated with the oppressive demand of performing those roles. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 08:07 PM |
| 1 | Are attitudes towards abused men this bad across reddit?I agree with that. I'd call it 'learned helplessness'. The few people that try to help see high resistance, so they don't get far. They may even be punished for trying. They can't do it alone, but they look around and see nobody else trying, either. Maybe they're just kids, and their parents tell them that's just how the world works. So they stop trying, too, and it continues. They accept it. And that's hard. I don't think men, at least broadly, think their experience is healthy and ok. I think … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/25 05:58 AM |
| 2 | Are attitudes towards abused men this bad across reddit?I'm not referring to the bias for who is 'good/bad', for who needs help/sympathy and who doesn't. I very much agree that men's hyper-agency and women's hypo-agency are both real. I'm referring to the problems that are relatable. Men might not, overall, feel sympathetic to another man's struggles on an individual level. But they're more likely to recognise that things like "people don't trust me even though I've done nothing", "I have nobody I can talk to", or "I feel less like a man if I'm under… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/01/25 02:50 AM |
| 22 | Are attitudes towards abused men this bad across reddit?Kinda. It is really common, but also over-represented imo. Individual subs have a tendency to become groupthink echo chambers. Emotions drive engagement, so posts that make people angry/excited get more attention. The downvote is used as 'disagree' to discourage any outlier opinions. There are several subs I ultimately had to leave when I saw the unhinged way people would act, then rationalise as proportionate. A complete abandonment of empathy and nuance, in favour of self-righteousness, of a h… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/01/25 12:59 AM |
| 1 | "It's not just men that traffick. Women do this to other women as well and men are also trafficked."Yeah, people project their experiences onto those they relate to. They probably do care about boys being trafficked, but in a 'distant' way they don't devote much thought to. Like Syrian refugees, or amputees that can't afford prosthetics, or people starving in China. It's not personal enough to be a priority. Yet when people picture their in-groups (in this case, women) being affected, its much easier to imagine 'this could happen to me', and we get defensive over our imagined selves. We're mor… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/12/24 09:49 PM |
| 3 | "It's not just men that traffick. Women do this to other women as well and men are also trafficked."Can hardly blame you for squaring up to defend if you're used to being attacked. I appreciate the discussion, too! Yes, I find trafficking falls into the same trap that mugging, rape, kidnapping, etc does. People believe that its happening in a dramatic and sensationalist fashion, often under specific conditions. But the reality is highly varied, and often mundane, happening in ways the same sensationalists would easily dismiss or even say 'don't count'. By far, the most common victims of human … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/12/24 05:19 AM |
| 3 | "It's not just men that traffick. Women do this to other women as well and men are also trafficked."Ahh, I can agree with (at least most of) that. Thank you for explaining. There are definitely several cultural factors that play a role. Power, wealth, demand, opportunity. It's reductionist to dismiss it as the result of a single factor (be it sexism, Capitalism, parents, etc). One thing that comes to mind is the perpetrators being majority male (at least, the industry actually moving the people). It's one thing to notice the statistic is true. But I agree that its unhelpful (and reductionist, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/12/24 12:42 AM |
| 3 | "It's not just men that traffick. Women do this to other women as well and men are also trafficked."Saying people are in abusive relationships because "they can't choose good men" (or rather, partners) is a bad faith view that tells victims they choose their abuse. Abusers don't start the abuse until after they've been 'chosen', and often when their victim is in same way entrapped or entwined (financially, cohabitation, marriage, or children). This is what makes abusers so hard to leave. And especially once you have children, your abuser has a right to visitation or co-parenthood, if they want… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/12/24 06:49 PM |
| 8 | Today's news on Spiking becoming seperate crime in the UKTo add: Take the homelessness statistic for example: Are men at greater risk of entering homelessness than women (eg: lower income, job loss rates, less home ownership, greater destitution)? Or are they more likely to actually become homeless due to lack of intervention (fewer friends to intervene, fewer qualifying welfare programs)? Or perhaps men stay homeless for longer (lack of safe shelters and/or empathy for struggling men). Perhaps men are 80% of street-sleepers because homeless women are… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/24 12:26 AM |
| 11 | Today's news on Spiking becoming seperate crime in the UKA key struggle with statistics is where the data comes from. It's not enough to look at statistics; its who polled, where, when; its what the question asked was, its who was asked. (eg: a lot of social/political polls are cold-calls, answered by bored people at home - biased towards women and traditional gender roles - or college students on campus.) Do the stats come from self-reported anecdotes? Would men feel comfortable sharing stories of their own victimisation in a world that invalidates t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/24 12:15 AM |
| 3 | The pink taxI think both are real, and many of them are reliant on the general population's gender conformity. The products are rarely different in any practical way. Many of the goods pink/blue 'taxed' are functionally the same. A safety razor is a safety razor, you don't need one for 5-blades TurboGlide™️ action. A basic safety razor and cheap blades will do the trick on anyone's skin, and the difference is minimal. But mens/womens razors are arguably the most popular choice for comparison pictures of 'pi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/11/24 07:19 AM |
| 1 | Is objectification bad?Yes, they absolutely are. It's reprehensible, and a leading factor in partner abandonment when women fall chronically ill. Though in frustration its usually described with emotionally-expressive words like 'slave', 'bang-maid' perhaps, or 'not your mother', rather than 'objectified'. Especially when approaching men about it. Since women usually use the word for sexual objectification, men at large still typically interpret 'objectifying women' to mean the same thing as sexualising them. People a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/24 02:06 AM |
| 14 | Is objectification bad?I think people mix up being 'objectified' (your value is in how I can use you) and being 'sexualised' (your value is in your sexuality) with being sexually desirable. I think everybody wants to feel desirable, and men in particular almost never get to feel this as they are expected to be the driving force behind all sexual encounters. If the visible examples of 'being desirable' look like judging others for their desirability, its understandable that they consider them the same thing. The truth … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/10/24 07:55 PM |
| 2 | How do we define "emasculate" from LWMA perspective.These are good points, and they're evolving how I think about 'emasculation'. Emasculation is the idea of 'taking manhood' away from a man, implying the man is being acted upon (a verb, an object). So we look for the actor (the subject). 'Emasculated' isn't a core emotion (sad, angry), it's an internal judgment to rationalise emotion (insulted, attacked, demeaned). It's saying that your core feelings of anger/shame/fear are being caused by somebody else, and assigns motive and intent. People con… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/24 02:53 PM |
| 1 | How do we define "emasculate" from LWMA perspective.People have different assumptions, so best to clarify what is meant whenever having high-level discussions IMO. I believe 'emasculation' is not some objective action, but a subjective feeling (like jealousy). Specifically a form of shame stemming from insecurity in being valued/recognised as a man. If a person tells you that you shouldn't cry, or grieve, or like sewing, they're not emasculating you. They're being straight-up sexist and should be called out. You are a man; you get to choose what … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/24 03:55 AM |
| 43 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?Agree with this. Men and boys do still have social issues; they too are subject to gender roles. The conversation is increasingly alienating and isolating them. If they only people that talk to men about men's issues are Conservatives (or reactionaries, or sexists), of course they gain their attention. Even misandrist ones that blame men for their own problems (eg: calling them 'beta') at least acknowledge the problem exists, and offer some answer. That if they're macho enough, they can change i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 05:42 AM |
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