desiringyouall8 Archive

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1	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Dude, straight away you jumped to that conclusion Phrases such as "rule out the possibility" and stating alternative explanations clearly indicate otherwise. Example? Hows that help? Are you sure you read the original comment? To reliterate: The idea here is that by being willing to experiment sexually with the new man, she is showing to him that she is still willing to give herself to him even if she has already discovered with other men what she doesn't want and like, and she is still willing …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 07:07 PM
1	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex That's a cognitive distortion called catastrophizing. I agree that a refusal doesn't necessarily mean that she is less attracted, it could signal that. My argument is that we cannot rule such a conclusion out, not that we should jump to this conclusion. She doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to do What I mean to say is that if she wants to help remove these doubts, she might want to try experimenting with something new that both parties might enjoy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 06:58 PM
1	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex I agree that men shouldn't buy sex with provision, and women shouldn't trade sex for provision. All this does is turn romantic relationships in more sophisticated forms of prostitution. Rather, commitment, especially exclusively, should be mutually exchanged, and sex should be freely given by both sexes. While I think fostering connection, providing companionship, emotional support, shared experiences that enhance personal growth, etc., are important for romantic relationships, I think these cha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 03:37 PM
0	Is it true women will always have more value/suitors than men in the dating market? Women will have more sexual opportunities, but not necessarily as many opportunities from men who they both like and who will actually commit to them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/25 07:10 AM
1	"Female privilege" only exists because of men Pregnant women and mothers with young children tend to be dependent upon others economically, and dependent upon men and male society for protection from criminal men. Traditionally, men in all civilizations distributed this responsibility primarily upon male family members, especially her father or her husband. But, feminism, disliking the idea of fathers and husbands having the subsequent authority that comes with taking responsibility for their daughters and wives, have used policial authorit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/25 01:46 AM
–	Women get incredibly outraged when they get reminded that they're not as pretty as they think they are Yes, women value themselves on their beauty in part, so yes, a man calling their beauty fake is uniquely insulting to them. Why do you need the Internet to figure that out though?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/25 09:01 PM
3	Why don't men want to date single moms? A widow is obviously a different story, but my comment was about divorced single mothers as much as single mothers who never married the man she had children with?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/25 08:48 PM
2	Why don't men want to date single moms? If she picks the kind of man that would do this sort of thing to her, then she probably has terrible judgement, or she's attracted to the kind of man who would do this sort of thing, both which tend to reflect character faults. Sure, there are a few cases where there were no signs, but in the mass majority of cases, there were signs, and either she wasn't educated in how to discern them (which are primarily her parents' fault), or she decided to overlook them because of some character fault on h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/25 08:15 PM
5	What makes a woman want to sleep with a man, regardless of intentions? I think a lot of men don't realize how much anxiety can smother a woman's desire for sex, and a lot of the manosphere types therefore don't realize that "beta" characteristics are actually the antidote to it. Perhaps women don't find beta characteristics viscerally attractive, but they do find them attractive in a different sense —they make her feel comfortable and not at edge.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/25 06:55 PM
1	The friend zone isn’t real. “Be honest and say no” also applies to “be honest and tell the girl you like her”. The problem with guys that get friendzoned is that they consciously allow themselves to grow in attachment to a woman while just remaining her friend. While a man might generally be expected to initiate a romantic relationship, he should not allow himself to become attached to her without her reciprocating his feelings first. However, I think some men become friend zoned because they develop feelings for a woman who they genuinely started out having a platonic relationship with before.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/25 02:32 AM
–	CMV: Men who go to brothels shouldn't be stigmatized it's and prior the late 20th centure it used to be the norm It's not respectful to any woman to purchase sex from her (to use her as an object of consumption —in the most intimate way— and throw away at your convenience), consent doesn't make something good or just or in someone's best interest (student loans and other unfair contracts are also consented to), neither Johns nor prostitutes are actually honest about the nature of their relationship whether they realize this or not, and sex is not a need.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/25 02:13 AM
1	Kindness is Considered Weak, Weak turns women off While women aren't attracted to kindness in men in a visceral, sexual sense, that doesn't mean they don't find kindness desirable in their boyfriends and spouses and even in causal sexual partners for other reasons, including reasons that, on an individual's level, are interwoven with what she does find sexually attractive. I don't see how your example is one of kindness (which is different from politeness, niceness, or chivalrous). Kindness refers more to treating someone with the gentleness on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/25 06:23 AM
0	Men are finding out what happens when they bring nothing to the table That doesn’t make any sense. The average man is of average attractiveness. And average attractiveness can in fact be nevertheless attractive, even very attractive. If you put a lot of really attractive people in a room together, the average will be really attractive, probably very attractive. Statistics have shown that women do not find the average man attractive. Statistics have shown that for women who regularly use dating apps, they tend to choose the higher percentile attractive men who regu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/25 05:51 AM
0	Men are finding out what happens when they bring nothing to the table Most people are average. Having an attractive appearance, or an impressive job or status is necessarily reserved for only a small percentage of men. This is statistically inevitable. This doesn't follow though: it can just as much be the case, logically, that while a small percentage of men may be more preferable than the average, the average man is also still quite attractive. A woman may prefer the most attractive men, but that doesn't mean she doesn't or cannot find the average man attractive…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/25 11:19 PM
1	Shaming as a social engineering tool Shame has its place in the cultivation of an individual and a community. Like all emotions, while they arise outside consciousness they can be organized by and ordered towards what we know to be true and reasonable. It is good for those who do undesirable things to feel shame for doing so, and it is not good for those who do innocent things to feel shame for them, and, it is not good for those who do shameful things but feel excessively ashamed of them —feel more ashamed of them than the extent …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/25 11:12 PM
1	The redpill counterargument of "there is no magic formula" The problem with this is that all the ones you described aren't particularly focused. And the particularly focused ones are the most criticized ones. That was actually my point: the more particularly focused the advice is, the more it lacks general applicability, and vice versa. Sorry if I was unclear about this. Can you explain to me how the advice you outline needs to come from pickup artists?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 07:28 PM
1	The redpill counterargument of "there is no magic formula" My argument is that the general advice that the red pill types give that actually has general applicability is largely advice that one can easily get from sources outside the red pill: advice like become competent in the things you are doing, live for something noble beyond maintaning your life as it currently is, make male friends, become self-aware in social situations, work out, have a decrnt livelihood, don't let the fear of rejection cause you to avoid asking our women you like, etc. are al…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 06:55 PM
1	There is a serious hypocrisy in modern dating. My agreement with the OP is conditional enough that I think it's fine. For example, my initial comment also provides defense towards people who might argue that traditional gender roles are not necessarily perfectly reciprocal, or that they might have been reciprocal in former circumstances, but are not now in today's circumstances. My comments also recognize that there are some gender roles that might be a matter of prudence or even a matter of taste, and not one that all couples need to hold t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/25 08:13 PM
1	There is a serious hypocrisy in modern dating. I don't see it that way: while we might argue to the extent in which the circumstances in which the gender roles that developed in the industrial era in Western cultures and made sense in still exist, nevertheless these gender roles only make sense by their "proportionality" to one another, such that trying to have a relationship where, say, a husband expects his wife to carry the "tradition" feminine role's burden without himself carrying the traditional masculine role's burden, leads to a lack…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/25 07:46 PM
0	People obsess over women initiating divorce because they believe women should stay miserable in marriages. I'm critical of divorce on the grounds that marriage is not about subjective happiness of any individual, but about the good of the husband and wife, any children they have, and the communities they are a part of. The good of marriage is larger than any individual, and anyone who treats the marriage contract as something that can be broken outside very specific circumstances (habitual physical abuse, habitual cheating, pregnancy outside the marriage, habits that make a decent livelihood impossib…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/25 07:33 PM
-1	There is a serious hypocrisy in modern dating. Well, how non-necessary goods relate to the extent a woman is a gold digger seems to be largely a circumstantial thing. Working within the stereotype, I suspecte it means at least something like, a woman who wants to habitually buy expensive main brand clothing despite the fact it takes up a sizable portion of monthly household expenses. Notice the word "habitually" and "monthly:" the gold digger wants to buy luxury goods that require some noticable sacrifice to other parts of a monthly househol…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/25 06:31 PM
-8	There is a serious hypocrisy in modern dating. The gold digger isn't a woman who, being the homemaker, expects expenses to be handled by her husband, but rather is a woman who expects her husband to carry the expense for luxury goods that she largely benefits from individually without any reciprocity on her part (which of course doesn't have to be in the form of sharing those expenses). A gold digger often thinks she deserves more from her marriage than she contributes, and shows little gratitude as a result. And when it comes to divorce, a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/25 05:19 PM
2	There is a serious hypocrisy in modern dating. The thing about traditional gender roles, which have changed even in the history of English speaking peoples, is that they are specializations, specialized roles revolving around the shared goals of having and raising children. Some of these roles are universal or near universal, a result to certain biological realities or are general enough to be applicable to nearly all circumstances, while others are a result of prudence within certain circumstances that may not be applicable in others. Ideal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/25 05:13 PM
2	Men are entitled to paternity tests but not relationships. I'd be more sympathetic to mothers being offended if the law didn't leave men on the hook for child support even if it is demonstrated that he isn't the father. This is an example of systemic injustice, and therefore it can be prudent for men to protect themselves from this injustice, and women should be sympathetic to the reasoning. Nevertheless, it would be better to just change the law so that only the (biological) father or those who voluntarily adopt legally responsible for the child. Under…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/25 04:37 PM
1	Madonna whore complex is the equivalent to alpha fucks beta bucks A "cuck" is a man raising the children of his adulterous wife that are not his own. This is not the same thing as a man who, although he might not have been a woman's first choice in sexual partnership viscerally, nevertheless is the one she decides to have children with. So, not only is your name calling not actually an argument, but even if we sort of treated as such, it's still false.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/25 03:00 PM
2	Madonna whore complex is the equivalent to alpha fucks beta bucks I don't disagree that women use men for their attention out of vanity, and that romance novels are at least the female analogue to pornography.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/25 12:11 PM
2	Madonna whore complex is the equivalent to alpha fucks beta bucks I slightly disagree with your last sentence: I think a woman engaging in an alpha/beta complex can and often does have an emotional connection with her beta husband, even if she isn't super sexually attracted him relative to an alpha. He's not usually just filling a generic husband slot, he's often her friend and emotional confidant too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/25 12:03 PM
1	Madonna whore complex is the equivalent to alpha fucks beta bucks One benefit of the beta role, though, is that the beta is the one she has and raises children with, not the alpha, even if she supposedly enjoys sex with him more. And sure, you could mention paternity fraud here, but those situations are usually quite rare and extreme: most women enacting an alpha/beta complex do in fact want the beta to be the one she has children with, since, as the OP implies, this is in the long term interest of both her and her children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/25 11:52 AM
2	Madonna whore complex is the equivalent to alpha fucks beta bucks Maybe, but he's attaching himself to and molding his taste of woman to pornstars, and Instagram and Onlyfan girls, which largely functions the same way, which is why in part we hear all these stories about wives being disgusted when they discover what their husbands have been watching online...	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/25 11:45 AM
2	Madonna whore complex is the equivalent to alpha fucks beta bucks I've actually noticed this too. Like you said, the problem with both the Madonna/whore and alpha/beta complexes is they lead people to seperate their more immediate, visceral desires from their more long term oriented needs and family life centered emotions, seeking to fulfill them in seperate people rather than looking for a single person to fulfill both parts of themselves in a single relationship. And we cannot integrate these parts of ourselves within us when they aren't both directed toward…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/25 11:42 AM
0	The Flawed Logic Behind Opposing Standard Paternity Tests I don't disagree that men should be able to terminate paternal responsibilities if they can demonstrate paternity fraud, but I'm not sure I would necessarily agree with requireing it. One benefit of requiring it though, is that it gives a man suspicious of his wife infidelity cover, in sense that instead of requesting the test and his wife getting angry at the distrust, especially if the test establishes his paternity, he can use its requirement at a cover shift her ire towards the law.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 03:19 PM
1	Marriage Is Clearly Illogical for Men Given The Statistics I would largely agree, except that it is also demonstratable to having children within marriage is better than having them outside of it. Even in custody battles, it is easier on the father if he were married to the mother of his children than if he were not. So, I would say your argument is at its best when applied to relationships without children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 04:20 PM
–	What is FAIR compensation for SAHM after divorce??? No fault divorce is itself an injustice, especially when there are children involved, so any spouse who initiates it is owed no compensation, for they is, in reality if not in law, at fault for the dissolution of the marriage, and preference should be given to the other parent in dividing up custody even as a result. For marriage is not about one's individual happiness, but about one's good, both their individual good and the good they share with their spouse and family, as well as the good of s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 02:56 PM
1	Generally speaking, women are bad at taking initiative. But on the flip side, the kind of unity that those women are experiencing is much more ambiguous and insincerely, whereas the kind of unity men will experience once they convince themselves to come together under common goals is an army that is willing to put much sacrifice into the cause. So, even though the unity is harder to establish, once it is established it's a fearsome thing to behold. What's ironic though is that often the easiest thing for men to get behind is protecting women, which e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 05:11 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification I don't think "objectification" is the best way to put what people are getting at when they talk about it as a bad thing...I think what they mean is something more like failing to keep Kant's second categorical imperative in the context of romantic relationships, where we treat our partner as a means or as an instrument towards goods other than the partner himself, in which the partner is ultimately accidental and fungible. Or, to put it another way, what both men and women want in a romantic re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 05:07 PM
1	Generally speaking, women are more empathetic than men. I agree that women are generally more naturally emotionally aware than men, especially of the emotional dynamics of the groups she is a part of. But keep in mind that this doesn't necessarily translate into virtues like kindness, or emotions like compassion and caring, or actions like "support." People who are empathetic in the first sense can just as much be manipulative as compassionate, and are often inclined to distrust and a lack of mercy towards those outside the group, especially if they …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 04:35 PM
5	Generally speaking, women are bad at taking initiative. The journey of maturity for boys involves growing out of his dependency on others and establishing himself and then, despite being relatively independent, nevertheless returning to a kind of interdependency with others. The journey of maturity for girls is not like this, as girls don't have to define themselves apart from their mothers because they are the same sex as their mothers, unlike boys. Female maturity doesn't involve breaking and returning to interdependency, but instead women learning…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 10:48 PM
1	Q4M: Would you rather be the Risky choice or the Safe choice in a woman's eyes? Why? I want to be able to be spontaneous, but within the limits of reason, and I want to be able to be stable, but not so stable that I'm afraid to try anything new. And I always want to be mature and loyal no matter what. This is what every man I think wants to be, for its own sake and as its own reward, not merely as a means to pick up chicks. The problem with alpha and beta characteristics is that they are pathological when separated from each other, and the goal should be to unite them in the eac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 09:38 PM
1	More men than women have a penchant for “understanding objects,” more women than men have a penchant for “connecting the dots.” Like I said, I don't disagree that the term can be used in this way, but I think people often confuse this understanding of empathy with another sense which refers to the virtue of the golden rule, when it's not. In fact, the first sense of empathy can actually work against the virtue by inspiring hatred of those outside the tribe, as well as using anothers's vulnerabilities to take advantage of them (the most empathetic among us can be the most cruel because they are the one's who know just whe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 06:59 PM
1	More men than women have a penchant for “understanding objects,” more women than men have a penchant for “connecting the dots.” It's related to agreeableness in that women seem to be more agreeable then men because they pay attention more to interpersonal dynamics then men are. Children from both sexes are born with a deep connection with their mothers, but because boys are the opposite sex, maturity from them involves developing oneself as an individual independent of their mothers in a way girls don't need to focus on because they are the same sex as their mother. So, women find themselves always immersed in a kind of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 06:45 PM
1	More men than women have a penchant for “understanding objects,” more women than men have a penchant for “connecting the dots.” If you think this is just “agreeableness,” can you explain how? Seems more like openness which at its core is related to an expanded capacity for empathy. I was using agreeableness in the sense that the Big Five personality framework uses it. The thing about empathy, properly speaking, is that it requires a large degree of self-knowledge, whereas agreeableness is more concerned with social appearances and group cohesion. It sort of depends on how we mean the term though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 06:09 PM
1	One of the main reasons why single men disdain single women I don't know if it's right to say either sex can't satisfy their long term relationship goals as a matter of principle or even as a practical matter. I think when you say "society," you mean something like the dialogue of elite society, which is not the same thing as society in general. I think it is pretty evident that men do talk about these issues quite a bit. While I agree that women need to learn how to communicate their needs to men better, it's a bit tricky because one gender role that's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:48 PM
1	More men than women have a penchant for “understanding objects,” more women than men have a penchant for “connecting the dots.” Well, I mean it's pretty demonstratable that men tend to enjoy action movies more, while women tend to enjoy the romance genre more. I don't think it's because of empathy though. While women tend to be more agreeable than men, and tend to have more social intelligence, that doesn't necessarily translate to being able to draw analogies between one's own experiences with another's.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:50 PM
2	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles I don't disagree, but then again, I don't think your points are in disagreement with my origin comments' either, which are about the characteristics of maintaining a mutually beneficial long term relationship, not attracted women for a more casual one. Moreover, its important to note that people leave good relationships, and stay in bad relationships, all the time, so, while leaving is a primary sign that a relationship isn't working for both parties, staying doesn't necessarily mean the relatio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:42 PM
7	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles I don't disagree that women are attracted to "spiritness" in men (what Plato called thymos), which involves initiative, ambition, assertiveness, confidence, etc. —basically the passions that help us resist difficulties in our path. It's especially problematic since most women want to be chased. So for men with the problems you describe, I would recommend overcoming one's fear of rejection and learning how to, on some level, "go after what you want," regardless of how difficult circumstances make…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:24 PM
9	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles Not having enough shared interests, and not being able to stimulate emotion in conversation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:18 PM
0	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles The most successful guys I knew were basket cases. But they had looks and charm to boot. They could have kept any number of those girls around if they wanted to. Despite their shitty behavior. I'm not.sure what you mean by basket cases and bad behavior, but a man with, say, BPD being able to attract women in the short term is not the same as being able to maintain the relationship long term.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:17 PM
1	One of the main reasons why single men disdain single women I don't think I would be willing to make a generalization about women not acknowledging the more receptive nature of their sexuality, about how often they try to understand the other sex, as if its true of women generally. I think for many women, anxiety also tends to suffocate sexual desire in a way that is less common among men. With that said, I do agree with you, at least based on my personal experience, that a lot of young women especially think that by just showing up and looking pretty, t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 09:43 AM
1	This subreddit seems to think women must choose between horny sociopaths and asexual men. Don't forget the fourth option: men can be asexual sociopaths too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 09:23 AM
–	Which Type of Partner Do You prefer All relationships (romantic or otherwise) should be rooted in some kind of reciprocity, so the rule of thumb is to try and make the sacrifices each person makes for the other as balanced as possible in the long term. At the beginning of the relationship especially, in general both men and women expect the man to initiate and give more, but at the same time the woman should eventually reciprocate, and over time who initiates should even out. Whether or not someone should or shouldn't disagree isn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 09:21 AM
1	I'm starting to think that finding a relationship is dependent only on your luck I mean, there's an element of chance to it, yes, but that doesn't mean we cannot structure things in such a way to use chance to our advantage, like with what we do with hoppers and filters and the like. Cast a wide net, and the odds may be better in your favor. For most people, God doesn't pull the person they were meant to be with out of their chest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 09:08 AM
3	More men than women have a penchant for “understanding objects,” more women than men have a penchant for “connecting the dots.” English authority G. K. Chesterton makes an interesting observation that, when men talk, they are more likely to face parallel to each other and face the same direction, and instead of talking about each other, prefer to talk to the subject at hand, so to speak. Women, meanwhile, are more likely to face one another, and tend to talk about each other rather than "to" the subject.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 08:55 AM
3	More men than women have a penchant for “understanding objects,” more women than men have a penchant for “connecting the dots.” We've actually even demonstrated these sexual differences in chimpanzees even, to the point that we even know that, generally speaking, men and male chimpanzees are better at detecting motion in the dark than females, while women and female chimpanzees are better at detecting shape in the dark than males. Make chimpanzees will generally prefer to play with boy's mechanical toys, while the female chimpanzees will generally play with boy's and girl's toys indiscriminately. You can even see it in r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 08:52 AM
23	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles When people say to fix your problems before getting into a relationship, what they mean, to be more exact, is that there is a certain baseline standard degree of mental health anyone needs to obtain before he or she can maintain a mutually beneficial relationship with anyone, and moreover, that, in order to minimize resentment in a relationship, the burdens your problems place on your partner should be as equal as possible as the burdens their problems place on you, so that everyone feels "equal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 08:26 AM
11	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles The way I would put it is, good sex can help with the symptoms of certain mental health issues, but they cannot cure their roots, and while sex can be very reliable medicine in remedying symptoms, sex can also serve as a way to distract from dealing with the underlying causes, and can even become an addictive way to not deal with these problems at all. Worse of all, if a messy break up occurs, the resulting low can makes things even more difficult.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 08:21 AM
0	One of the main reasons why single men disdain single women While women don't generally find the average stranger attractive in the sense of spontaneous wanting to have sex with him by just seeing him or shortly after interacting with him, like the way men tend to experience a large amount of their female peers, that's because female sexuality is generally more responsive then men's. Many men try to understand women using their own experiences, but in this case it causes misunderstandings: the majority of women do find the average man attractive in a res…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 08:07 AM
5	One of the main reasons why single men disdain single women The better analogy IMO is that men are thirsting in a desert and women are thirsting at sea, because both want the same thing (love, connection, intimacy) but for men it’s an issue of quantity (so little water) and for women it’s an issue of quality (the water isn’t hydrating). Nice analogy. One thing that has always bother me by manosphere types is that low status men have always had an easy, almost guaranteed way to obtain sex: through prostitution. Sure, that's not the kind of sex they want, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:41 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? There are ways in which women have it easier, and there are ways in which men have it easier. I don't think there's an obvious answer to which sex has it easier in a general sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 02:30 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? Men obsessed with and starving for sex think that just because a decent looking woman can (allegedly) walk into a bar and get a bunch of men to pay attention to her, that somehow that translates to it being easy for a woman to find the kind of man she actually wants to be with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 10:56 PM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman Love isn't reducible to a transaction, but it does have an element of this (although I think it would be better said to be reciprocall. It's sort of like the airline mask problem, where it is better to put your oxygen mask on first before you help someone else put his on: whether we recognize it or not, we need to be reliably loved on some level before we will be able to keep up with loving another, otherwise we will burn out and become resentful and despondent eventually. While we should always…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 05:39 AM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman Sure, these men do not drawn in the surplus of women as some celebrities do, but they do not lead the lifestyle of these celebrities either. Comparing them makes no sense imv. For both men and women, it is better to just be handsome enough/pretty enough to attract someone whom he or she would be good together long term. Being very handsome or very pretty introduces too many temptations and problems that anyone genuinely looking for a good lifelong spouse for himself or herself would be better of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 05:31 AM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman It feels like you're just parroting what somebody else said and you have no genuine experience with normal people day to day. In my experience, one sign that someone is just unreflectively accepting someone else's thoughts is when he or she uses buzz words and slogans to explain while being largely unable to articulate their beliefs in their own words.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 05:12 AM
-1	Only 14 countries have full legal protections for women Equal right can be an injustice just as much as a justice, depending on the subject matter. If equal rights means that we need to treat men and women as interchangeable, the equal rights are not always just nor prudent. ...which is to say, it does not follow from those statistics that there is necessarily injustice going on. That's what to say there isn't injustice going on, but it's not demonstrated merely because of the fact of inequality in law.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 12:31 AM
0	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? Because I never said every single woman, but the fact of the matter is if you think we do and not enough women do or have enough kids then that's an inevitable conflict that you'd have to deal with. It is, and it's a problem that Western and East Asian nations are dealing with right now, in fact. But I don't think it's primarily an issue of motivation, but more of an issue of putting off marriage and children until older, and expense, at least in Western societies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 12:22 AM
-2	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? Okay, but those are just wishes and dreams, thoughts and prayers. What if the majority of women don't want to have kids, and/or the ones who do don't want to have enough to replace themselves, and those who abstain? It doesn't matter if that's not what they want, what matters is that is necessary for the good of the communities in which they were born and depend upon. It would be the same if you were to say that the majority of men don't want to join the military during a defensive war, of the m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 12:16 AM
-4	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? We human beings considered together share a responsibility in common to propagate our race and educate our young. But just because the human race as a whole possesses this goal, that doesn't mean every particular individual needs to participate in it the same way, although as a matter of prudence the majority at least should. The whole point of specialization is that some take care of one aspect necessary for shared goals to free up time and energy for others to take care of another aspect for g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/24 11:39 PM
4	Why are men unwilling to date single moms While some men might not be content rasing a child that is not his (at best it is a sudden, great commitment), or being ranked second in priority to a child that isn't his, what I think men in general find the most problematic about dating single moms is having another man involved in at least the periphery of his relationship. Unless the biological father is dead, he's usually involved in some way, or can be potentially. To be honest, it can feel like you are becoming involved in someone else's…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/24 07:07 PM
1	People who hate feminism don't have a viable alternative Like I said, I didn't come here to answer that question, I came here to criticize feminism's idealizing suffrage, not give arguments for or against suffrage as a matter of prudence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/24 10:20 AM
1	People who hate feminism don't have a viable alternative Edit: I decided to expand on this comment: Your question doesn't really have much to do with my critique of feminism here. I'm more concerned that people recognize that woman's suffrage is not necessary to have a justice society. That doesn't mean that a society that gives woman the vote is wrong to do so. As an aside, I don't have a high view of voting in mass electorate election anyway, which makes me more apathetic to the question. In mass electorate elections, as opposed to votes where the e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/24 02:41 AM
0	The most common argument against financial abortion is easily refuted. What remains is mostly misandry Why I sympathize with those who criticize the way many woman use so called "no fault" divorce to commit injustices against their husbands and the father of their children, at the same time a child has a natural right to be raised and provided for by his biological father and therefore that father as an obligation to raise and provide for his natural child. While the details are largely matters of prudence, the general principle is true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/24 04:28 PM
1	People who hate feminism don't have a viable alternative I'm not sure if you meant "shouldn't" in your comment: Why should women have the same voting rights as men?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/24 04:13 PM
1	People who hate feminism don't have a viable alternative I mentioned woman's suffrage as an example of what is actually a positive right as opposed to a natural right, making suffrage a matter of prudence rather than a matter of inherent justice. After all, a democratic form of government is itself a matter of prudence: it's not inherently unjust for a government to not have the vote at all for anyone, actually.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/24 03:57 PM
1	People who hate feminism don't have a viable alternative The phrase "less rights" strikes me as misunderstanding what rights actually are: we can speak of someone's claim as being less authoritive than another's claim, but to speak as if everyone should have the same amount of rights sounds ridiculous on its face: it would mean things like everyone should have the same number of property rights...what does that even mean exactly, and who would actually argue for that? The thing about "right" is that it is a kind of discriminating authority. A right pl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/24 11:38 AM
-1	People who hate feminism don't have a viable alternative Have you ever heard of "traditional gender roles?" Those are alternatives to feminism, and they all worked well enough to at least generate another generation to pass those roles down to, regardless if you agree with them or not. "Equality" is a vague term that can mean all sorts of things, some true, some false, which allows feminists to use this ambiguity to equivocating between a trivially true statement about equality that would be true even of traditional gender roles ("women are people too…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/24 11:29 PM
1	Let's say women's standards are too high. Now what? Like most things, there's no right answer generally. The correct option depends on what particular standard, in what context, with who in particular.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/24 06:23 PM
1	If men don’t have a right to sex, then women don’t have a right to abortion. One of the major problems with the liberal conception of right (which applies to conservatives and not just the progressives): the only way to conceptualize the idea of right coherently is in terms of obligation. So, what does a "right to sex" entail? It means that functionally someone is morally or legally obligated to prove the possessed of the right with sex. Who? Other than a woman who consents to be a man's wife, there is simply no other woman who has any kind of obligation to give that man…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/24 06:19 PM
1	The reason women don’t value sex For the majority of men’s lives they try to acquire sex from good looking women frequently. They bend over backwards and try to acquire as much sex with as many beautiful women as humanly possible. Do you have evidence for even this claim? While I agree that a young man does want to have sex frequently with someone he's attracted to, it's not clear that this means he wants to be with as many women as possible. While I think that young men specifically might be more prone to the "more is always b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/24 06:02 PM
1	Most dating problems in men's life arise from the fact that they are condition to reward bad behaviour. I think there are different degrees of respect. You can easily argue that, while everyone should have a baseline kind of respect for everyone, that one could still have a greater or lesser respect based on their actions and behavior —such being the case seems almost plainly evident, in fact.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/24 05:46 PM
1	Most dating problems in men's life arise from the fact that they are condition to reward bad behaviour. What is the actual rate of men without children marrying single mothers? In my personal experience, men marry single mothers more when her husband is dead, when he also has children from a previous relationship, or when her children are already adults or close to it. In fact, of all the people I know or know of personally, I can only think of one exception to this. Now, you might not be critiquing a reality as much as a feminist narrative that is being taught to certain men in order to make it b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/24 05:37 PM
2	Men are just as irrational/emotional as women. (If anything, they are arguably more so on average.) I don't disagree with the thrust of your post, but I do think that this old idea, considered at its most sophisticated, might have some truth to it: women do, as a rule, on a regular basis struggle with emotional regulation at certain times of the month and during pregnancy. While I agree that to generalize outside such contexts would be wrong-headed, and that the advent of and widespread use of hormonal birth control may have actually helped with these struggles, I might still argue that this p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/24 05:19 PM
8	CMV: The "Mike Pence Rule" is sexist It's not irrefutable proof, but it does provide evidence for the prudence of his rules.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/24 04:55 PM
2	CMV: The "Mike Pence Rule" is sexist These are not just rules of thumb to protect themselves from false accusations, but it also helps keep the relationship honest by avoiding even the appearance of impropriety. One thing that is not often talked about in the "Me Too" movement is on how real sorts of misconduct are only able to thrive in a environment where there is a lot more ambiguous behavior, meaning behavior that, while it can signal sexual intentions in the relationship, there's still enough plausible deniability to allow for…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/24 04:51 PM
7	Normalize saying you have a big vagina instead of "size queen" "This is your brain on porn."	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 03:21 AM
1	Is there any way for singles events to actually be good? Based on your assumptions, the logical thing to do is not get discouraged and go back, since, as you say, the "top men" will be gone and so that would make you one of the top man there without much competition.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/24 12:25 AM
1	The question shouldn't be "why do women want powerful men?" but instead it should be "why don't men want powerful women?" I think that women tend to be more socially influenced than men, meaning they tend to be more attracted to men that other men especially admire and look up to. Whereas men are attracted to women largely because of physical charactristics, but also because of feminine vulnerability.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/24 05:51 PM
3	What advice would you give to women outearning their partners? Managing a household and family is a cooperative effort, not a competition. And I would hope that a man's wife would respect him for things beyond his income —in fact, a woman who admires a man primarily for his wealth is essentially a golddigger, and golddiggers makes bad wives regardless of whether or not the husband makes more than her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/24 05:39 PM
2	What advice would you give to women outearning their partners? Men really don't care about that. But women really do - in only 13% of marriages the wife is the sole / main breadwinner and those have 3 times higher divorce rate than the opposite (man as sole/main at 56% of all marriages). Also families where the wife is sole/main are overwhelmingly bellow the poverty line or just above it, because the husband is unemployed / with disability / in jail. This suggests that cause of the discontent in the marriage need not the wife's bread-winning per se, but can…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/24 05:26 PM
–	Women are not attracted to being treated badly. They are treated badly by men they are attracted to. Treating them badly as a low value man is not effective I'm not sure exactly what you mean. My comment assumes that the person in question is not ugly, that is, having an obvious physical defect and such.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/24 05:11 PM
–	Women are not attracted to being treated badly. They are treated badly by men they are attracted to. Treating them badly as a low value man is not effective I agree. I think that women are attracted to leadership qualities in men. Now, if we follow the logic of the English jurist William Blackstone's account of sovereignty, good leadership has three characteristics: power, intelligence, and a sincere, genuine desire for the good. An attractive man possesses all three characteristics, and while a man can seem attractive if he shows signs of one of these, once it becomes clear that his character is opposed to one or two of the characteristics his attr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/24 05:04 PM
1	Men aren't attracted to their aging partners No, what aging would mean is that he would be less attracted to his partner over time, at least in the sense of the men's most visceral and basic sexual attraction. What it doesn't mean is (1) that he has no attraction, (2) that he couldn't grow to have different elements to his attraction, and (3) that he's mature enough not to make sex the primary motivation in his life at his age. No one lives a life of eternal youth —we all have to move on from that stage of life at some point, often gradual…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/24 04:36 PM
12	This myth is hurting your dating life (and most guys don't know about it) I mean, there are some women you are more natually compatible with than others, but there are still many women you would be happy with —not just one— and each one still comes with difficulties in the relationship. In the end, natural compatibility will only bring you so far —you can't escape eventually running into issues that you both have to work on or come to an agreement over. To be honest, although thinking about personality proportionality has its uses, I prefer to think of relationships i…	/r/seduction	29/09/24 06:05 PM
2	What happens to those guys who can easily get sex, but not a relationship? One of the most common manifestations of unchastity is when you look towards two different types of people/personalities in an erotic relationship. In women this manifests as the alpha/beta dynamic, where a woman seems one kind of man out for passion and excitement, and another kind of man for long term stability. The goal of chastity in a woman is to dispose herself towards seeking both dynamics in one man, who fulfills her need for both alpha and beta as her husband and father to their family.…	/r/seduction	23/09/24 04:27 PM
3	I feel a large part of the problem with dating is extroverts and a lack of social unity and connection. I think a dating scene being so individualized doesn’t help introverts in general, especially introverted men. My instinct is that a more natural dating scene tends to involves groups of men and groups of women intermingling instead of as individuals. This allows introverts to play off extroverts with what extroverts are good at, and also allows introverts to benefit extroverts with what they are good at too. Introverts after all, have a quieter presence in one sense, but in another sense they h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 05:53 PM
1	Red Pillers: What do you actually consider to be sufficient evidence of r*pe and SA? I agree that their perspective limits them from seeing the meaning of certain facts (I have no interest in this being taken as a comment on Mr. Brand’s accusations though, of which I know nothing and therefore I have nothing relevant to say). However, it is always useful to have outsider perspectives even if they can tend to have this fault, because sometimes they do notice something that more mainstream perspectives don’t, and even more importantly, the wisdom of our legal system is that court …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 05:31 PM
2	Men get destroyed by divorce because they view it as a moral failing. If men adopted the mentality "she's not yours, it's just your turn" they wouldn't get devastated by divorce The only way I think that a no fault divorce can be manifestly not unjust to one party over the other in the way I described above is in divorces when both parties have similar degrees of financial independence and there are no children between them. As soon as one party is more financially dependent upon the other, and especially when there are children between them, there is no no-fault divorce except in name/label only. Morally, I don’t even think such divorces are justified except to avoid a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 05:20 PM
–	CMV : If a man commits it subconsciously communicates to her that you believe she’s the best you can get I agree that some people can be have more or less personality compatibility. Generally speaking, I think resentment builds in relationships (this doesn’t just mean sexual relationships) to the extent that one party in the relationship feels like they make more sacrifices for the other party than the other way around. The more “equally yoked” both parties feel, the less resentment. The more one feels like the faults of his spouse he has to deal with outweigh the faults he has that his spouse has …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 04:03 PM
1	Men get destroyed by divorce because they view it as a moral failing. If men adopted the mentality "she's not yours, it's just your turn" they wouldn't get devastated by divorce Like I said, whether or not the law officially recognizes it this way, in fact the law can often still requires a husband to keep financial commitments especially to his ex- wife and not the other way around, if you accept that what women primarily exchange in marriage is faithfulness in sexual attention and favors. To put it another way, all mutually beneficial relationships are reciprocal, and in no fault divorce, husbands are often expected to continue giving while the wife usually does not, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 03:20 PM
1	CMV : If a man commits it subconsciously communicates to her that you believe she’s the best you can get I feel as though people whose dating experiences are dominated by promiscuity could be susceptible to what the OP describes, because relatively short term, uncommitted relationships tend to be motivated in part by a desire to find something better/find the best.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 07:33 AM
1	Studies show the higher the IQ a man has the less attractive he is to women Keep in mind that regardless of the truth of your argument, statistically, both sexes still tend to enter long term commitments like marriage with someone of similar intelligence, although women seem more often to prefer men who are slightly more intelligent than them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 07:21 AM
1	Am I wrong in saying that if a person has a requirement or preference that he wants a virgin partner but he himself is not a virgin that is not hypocritical? If you see virginity as morally important and having sex before marriage/commitment as a black mark in some way on a woman’s character - then it would seem that you are going against your own moral principles by having had sex without commitment before. It seems then to be a “rules for thee but not for me” type of deal. Which is hypocritical. That’s not necessarily hypocritical: it’s only hypocritical if you didn’t actually repent and think that you are owed this despite your lack of repentance …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 07:15 AM
1	Am I wrong in saying that if a person has a requirement or preference that he wants a virgin partner but he himself is not a virgin that is not hypocritical? Virginity is not valued in men the same as it is in women, so there is some nuance here, although I do agree that generally speaking, couples should be “equally yoked” when it comes to past dating experiences and hookups.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 07:09 AM
1	Men get destroyed by divorce because they view it as a moral failing. If men adopted the mentality "she's not yours, it's just your turn" they wouldn't get devastated by divorce Nope, most men today expect a woman to work full time like him while still doing all the traditional housewife stuff Are you sure that’s true? At most what I see is almost the opposite: some expectation that the mother of young children will give up a full time job in order to care for young children at least until they enter full time schooling. This is the reason why studies show married women are less happy than single women but the reverse for men. “Happiness” is not really a reliable measur…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 06:48 AM
3	Men get destroyed by divorce because they view it as a moral failing. If men adopted the mentality "she's not yours, it's just your turn" they wouldn't get devastated by divorce I mean, that sounds like way too general of a conclusion to draw when all u/1Here4Bach comment really is is personal testimony. The “red-pill” argument is that traditionally marriage was a kind of exchange where wives exchanged sexual favors for commitment and husbands gave long term commitment for sexual attention. The argument against modern marriage revolves around how no fault divorce tends to de facto hold husbands at fault in the sense that husbands are largely still obligated to continue …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 06:23 AM