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Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

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1	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. It's just semantics, but again like I said, I'll stop using the term since it obviously is offensive to a lot of people.	/r/MensRights	15/05/23 12:05 PM
1	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. I don't see how that's sexist. Sure, if there's I subset of feminism that people find toxic, I don't mind it being called toxic femininity	/r/MensRights	15/05/23 11:55 AM
-5	What is it with all the hate for this sub from other subs across the site? Yea I think you have some good points here. I'll add that the amount of blanket statements about hating feminism/feminists is jarring, and it's hard to not feel like some people are doing exactly what they are accusing feminism of doing	/r/MensRights	15/05/23 02:11 AM
1	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. Hey, not all feminists! I think everyone deserves dignity and respect, I'm sorry that was your experience.	/r/MensRights	15/05/23 01:47 AM
1	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. Thanks for sharing. My gut reaction is similar to the top comment there, which is to still feel like "toxic" masculinity is describing a subset of masculinity and not defining all masculinity, but clearly a lot of people feel there's a broader association, and if that's how the term is interpreted, then I'll stop using it. I really appreciate the people who have shared their opinions here meaningfully	/r/MensRights	15/05/23 01:44 AM
0	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. That's interesting, and makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing, I wish I had access to read the study. I totally agree that there should be resources for men. Though to quote this NIH study: "The majority (67%–80%) of intimate partner homicides involve physical abuse of the female by the male before the murder, no matter which partner is killed." Also, a woman attempting to leave an abusive partner is a risk factor for the woman being murdered by the abusive partner. Either way, its really a s…	/r/MensRights	15/05/23 01:36 AM
0	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. My point still stands that I think you're missing important context, and I wish you'd be less quick to assume that I'm automatically misrepresenting the situation. It feels like you're projecting what I'm accusing my coworker of doing back onto me, without knowing anything about me, my former coworker or my former employer. But that being said, I appreciate you engaging in the conversation.	/r/MensRights	15/05/23 12:48 AM
0	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. If women would block my work for stylistic reason would be fine to call her misandrist? I never called anyone a "misogynist", I just gave a counter example to your comment that "men show certain traits it's toxic masculinity, but when women show the same traits it's empowering" where me being assertive resulted in my unfair reprimanding. This is the bias that I'm referring to, that you automatically assume I'm calling someone a "misogynist" when I categorically did not. I think you need to re-re…	/r/MensRights	12/05/23 04:12 PM
2	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. Yea, it's interesting, in the same way, I don't know any feminists that are anything like what is described in this sub 😅 though I suspect it has to do with the lens through which we experience. Naturally you'd be attuned to feminist's stance on men's issues or lack thereof, and likewise I'd be more aware of the "women-haters". And yea I get that feminism is inherently centered around the feminine experience, and it can leave men feeling neglected. But there's a lot of different flavors, and I g…	/r/MensRights	12/05/23 05:06 AM
3	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. Beep boop 🤖	/r/MensRights	12/05/23 04:33 AM
1	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. My thoughts: let's normalize men talking about their feelings, prioritizing and seeking mental health care, and talking about and recognizing their own abuse (both victims and perps). Let's educate people on abuse cycles, consent and boundaries, starting in school. Positive role models. Reducing and eliminating poverty.	/r/MensRights	12/05/23 04:27 AM
3	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. Can you leave your biases at the door please, and actually understand the story before jumping to conclusions? I think your misunderstood what I said. My coworker blocked me from finalizing my work, which is not normal in my field. I've never seen it happen to anyone else but me. I defended my work, and gave a detailed explanation of why it was the right solution, and he blocked it for stylistic reasons. And then, I was repremanded by my manager for "being difficult", because I was assertive abo…	/r/MensRights	12/05/23 04:11 AM
1	Neutral zone subreddit for MRA and Feminism Feminist here, I'd participate! I think it's a good idea. I'm not sure I understand the distinction in your edit about issues and rights but no feminism/MRA debates, but I think bridging the gap between different perspectives and stepping out of the echo chambers is the only way to make progress on issues	/r/MensRights	10/05/23 09:04 PM
2	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. Can you elaborate on this? I'm curious what traits your talking about. As a woman in a male dominated field, I've experienced the opposite of what you're describing, where even positively associated masculine traits like assertiveness are viewed as "being difficult" (I've literally been told that on a performance review at a past job when a male coworker was essentially trying to veto my work and I was pushing back).	/r/MensRights	10/05/23 02:31 PM
5	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. Do you relate with the idea that stereotypes about what is "masculine" can be unrealistic and can cause harm? If so, what would you prefer to call it, or how would you prefer to talk about it?	/r/MensRights	10/05/23 02:22 PM
5	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. I had no intention of minimizing DV against men, and I'm sorry if that's how it sounded. I recognize that there's nuance and specific circumstances that affect women and men differently, and it's important to hear different viewpoints for this reason. Injuries and deaths are a part of the real world impact of DV, so I do think it has a place in the conversation. Hopefully we can both agree that DV is a societal problem that can be devastating to victims. And that gender stereotypes can be harmfu…	/r/MensRights	10/05/23 02:16 PM
0	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. That's fair, though when you dig into the details, the majority of DV injuries and deaths are sustained by women, and the majority of intimate partner violence by women is retaliatory/in self defense against violence being inflicted on them (I can dig up sources if you'd like, I've read books on it as a survivor of domestic violence myself). Also, it tends to be harder for women to leave abusers when they are financially dependent on their abuser (again, it can go both ways obviously, but a lot …	/r/MensRights	10/05/23 03:32 AM
2	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. "Toxic expectations towards masculinity" sounds accurate. I personally don't mean to blame men or make them internalize it, moreso to put a name on the things like the increased stigma that men experience when seeking mental healthcare or when trying to get emotional support, and the resulting poor mental health that a lot of men experience. I see violence as a side effect in some cases, because quite frankly in a lot of ways society normalizes violence as a "masculine" way of expressing emotion…	/r/MensRights	10/05/23 01:43 AM
4	Empty promises and insulting implications. A critique of the usage of the the phrase "toxic masculinity". Understanding how the term came to be and it's implications in psychology. Hello, feminist here that would like to understand this viewpoint more. From my perspective and how I've used the term, toxic masculinity is basically as you called it the "symptoms of a lot of systemic issues that men and boys face". I can speak only for myself, but I see men's rights issues through the lens of my own experiences, and as a woman I could never claim to be able to properly speak to the systemic issues that men face, but I can acknowledge that they exist and I can try to listen to…	/r/MensRights	10/05/23 12:56 AM