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People swallow the blue pill because they don't have the constitution for the truth, which is usually ugly. (Until you recognize this world is literally hell, then you can swallow any truth, but most people never reach that point.) You cant fix those kinds of problems with facts and figures. Too much of it is genetic. And the few who can be woken up to reality aren't going to get there by seeing a reddit comment, they'll get there after being raped in the ass in a jailcell. So yes, like all deba…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 09:29 PM
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I'm not sure I admire anyone. If I do, it's an insanely high bar. Ralph Nader, Chomsky, Jesus Christ. Can't think of any women. They usually dont do the types of things I might admire. They're too self absorbed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 09:09 PM
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Great question. It comes down to why the classics are classics, why some literature persists for thousands of years and some doesn't. -- The stuff that persists has insight into human nature, which makes it timeless, and also makes it some if the most valuable stuff you can learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 04:47 PM
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Any human who can't kill their ego will die in ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:53 PM
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Nurture can't turn a woman into a goat. Women will still be women, men will still be men. You can bend that nature at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:47 PM
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No u
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:46 PM
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No u
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:46 PM
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Sorry for double posting, but its also modestly clear you were (probably intentionally) missing the point of what I said, which is why you needlessly introduced this distinction to someone whos studied biology and psychology on the graduate level. I'd try explaining again, but its extremely clear you're ego invested, so it would be fruitless. Feel free to ask questions tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:36 PM
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Where does the nurture come from? Why your mom do xyz instead of ABC? It all boils down to nature. Even environment can be abstracted as another form of genetics. The only reason a person wouldn't see these (somewhat obvious) facts is if their ego was invested in not seeing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:32 PM
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Every biological creature had a nature. (Unless they're angels sent from heaven.) If you were wondering, men's nature is disgusting, too. That's why I'm a misanthrope and not a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:31 PM
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If women have a nature, then finding it means finding true generalizations. Which is the basis of most science and psychology. If you think women don't have a nature, you live in a fantasy land and we've got nothing to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:01 PM
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I've had my share of bad interactions with women. Hell, just a couple months ago, a girl who was fairly interested in me did a 180 after I started acting like a gamma. It was a fantastic learning experience. And now I feel a lot worse about women. But it's not because of the bad experience, it's because I'm one step closer to understanding their nature. And that understanding makes me feel disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 02:43 PM
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OP has ignored the beta bucks side of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 02:19 PM
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The eternal mantra of the blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 02:19 PM
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Depends what is putting you out of the top 20%. I'm pretty cute, enough that women will approach me. But I spook them off because I'm an autistic dude. (I can't stand human interaction and I have pretty severe sound sensitivity.) So for me, the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Might be worth it for someone else with different barriers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 04:05 AM
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You're better off reading "the classics" than you are some shit novel about vampires.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 10:48 PM
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As a student of history, I'm of the opinion that humans are stupid and getting stupider. Some of that decline is being consciously managed, while other aspects of it are driven by subconscious forces of the upper classes. In both cases there's basically no hope that I can see. Those who put out the people's eyes reproach them for their blindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 08:15 PM
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You should check out "The Intellectual Life of the British Working Classes." After reading it, I'm left with the distinct impression that people were more intelligent 300 years ago. Average people, maids, barbers, etc. Not rich folks. Intellectualism was available once the printing press made books cheap, and the lower classes were hungry for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 08:10 PM
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I don't believe anyone's got better cards than me. Just different ones. Moreover, the cards that people are most envious of, like wealth & popularity, those are closer to curses than anything else. Have nothing but gratitude, which is exactly what I'd be lacking if I had more of those curses.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 05:03 AM
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Briffaults Law.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 04:50 AM
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Most humans don't believe in anything but their own self interest. A great predictor of someone leaning into the right is a winning lottery ticket.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 04:49 AM
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Counter-intuitive but true. Ive dated girls who were 4-5 points lower in SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 01:29 AM
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I spend 99.9% of my time in my apartment, so the tradeoffs would largely be internet-based. Under those circumstances, the tradeoff is good. But if you were serious about answering you'd have to bring up the stats. Women are actually less likely to suffer violence than men. By a lot. Edit: but women have very weak cognition, and I want no part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 09:09 PM
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I don't, but I do try to pick my battles. It wouldn't be productive to tell my GF feminism is a female supremacist movement & hate cult. It's called "right speech", don't say it unless it's true, beneficial, & will be accepted. Thats not a form of hiding myself, it's actually the highest form of being myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 02:17 AM
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It probably has correlations with conscientiousness. Some folks are theives but don't consider themselves thieves or don't realize they're theives.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 11:41 PM
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What you're asking requires explaining the nature of evil, which isn't something you'll be able to pickup in a 3 sentence reddit comment. But if you're looking for me to boil it down that much, you're evil because you identify with your mind and body.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 11:40 PM
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Fantastic question. I wouldn't describe evil as a matter of actions, tho, I'd say it's a relationship with the self, and it's a form of ignorance. If you weren't evil, you'd be Christlike. And youd glow with such luminosity that you'd either be worshiped or shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 10:44 PM
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If you're a human, then you've evolved ingroup outgroup preferences, and those ingroup preferences are what made you evil. Don't take it personally, we've evolved to be oblivious to it. If we could see ourselves for what we are, most of us would kill ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 09:30 PM
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Id guess it's because ladies don't have the same sense of aesthetics as men, so they're not fully aware of how gross it looks to others. That and/or because we didn't have to worry about obesity while living in a tribal environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 09:27 PM
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In this case, selection is referring to the selective pressures applied by nature. What you said might be relevant in 200,000 years, assuming men continue to be unnecessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 09:09 PM
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The books that understand humans the best, in my view, are scriptural philosophy. And humans being evil is the basis of every religion that comes to mind. If Jesus' great commandment (love your neighbor as yourself) is taken as the standard of goodness, then it's pretty clear there might be 1 in 20 million who isn't evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 08:44 PM
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From an evolutionary pov, women are selected for looking nice. So you'd expect more anxiety around appearances. Men are only 1/3rd selected for appearances (the other 2/3 being provisioning and protection), and the appearance elements men are selected for guys have minimal control over, like height.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 08:41 PM
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People expect all kinds of shit from me, but I don't give it to them. Women are a lot more worried about their appearance for biological reasons. It's self serving, as they'll constantly tell you, "I dress up for me." Personally I can dress like a hobo and not give a shit if people look down on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 08:03 PM
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Humans are evil. Put us in a position to leech money off another person, most of us will take it. Women are in that position more often than men. Humans only value you based on what they can get out of you, whether it's friendship or money. This is actually the basis of your comment; "nothing to bring to the table." So shaming one side for doing the same scam in a different way is a lack of self awareness. P.s. Men might have the money, but women spend it. Something like 80-90% of consumer spend…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 07:49 PM
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Being effective at tricking people requires the ability to empathize with them. At which point your actions will burn your psyche -- the bottom of hell is betrayal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 03:50 AM
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Free will is a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 02:01 PM
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I've given my gf open-ended permission to try stuff with other people twice, she declined and it hurt her feelings both times. Think it's probably because she has enormously high confidence I'm the best she can do. So maybe ladies are monogamous if they can find an outstanding dude. But if they can't? Sure. Thats my guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 08:44 PM
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People run into these kinds of errors because they're not doing impartial investigations to begin with. They start from the assumption they're right and work backwards to prove it. Intellectual honesty is as rare as a perfect 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 08:31 PM
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I could be a tad prejudiced, but I feel pretty confident autistics (on average) are much better people in a fairly objective sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 08:00 PM
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It boils down to evolution. About 90% of male seals die virgins. The human dna record reveals we have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors, meaning at least half of all men to ever exist never reproduced. In the last couple hundred years, more men have been able to get with ladies, but that isnt representative of our evolved nature. Our evolved nature made men the disposable sex. Most of us are unattractive; we're not fundamentally different from those seals. That's actually a broade…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:45 PM
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I know I'm an outlier, but my GF outearns me, I do all the cleaning, and my SMV is probably 3 points ahead of her. Most autistics don't give a shit about hierarchy. We're hidden gems for people who can get over initial hurtles of getting to know us. (Apart from the whole "being poor" thing, most of us are poor.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:26 PM
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It's a good rule of thumb, most beliefs are motivated. The source of motivated beliefs is always ego. The ego that drives the fatties into delusion does the same for everyone else. If you have an ego, if you identify with your body, then you're necessarily filled with delusions. Because that's what an ego is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:33 PM
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People (usually accurately) assume that others form motivated beliefs, so youve gone and assumed the ones I've presented are motivated by having poor social skills myself. But I don't. I'm just stating facts. In this particular case, i strongly suspect you're the one with motivated beliefs. It might be more useful to ask what's motivated them. But that requires levels of self honesty that maybe 1:50,000 people have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:24 PM
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Ability to improve social skills is largely genetic, tied to heritable personality traits like friendliness-gregariousness (aspects of extraversion) which make socializing rewarding. If you want to know why autistics aren't good at interacting with nonautistics, it's largely the same reason bitter bean water (coffee) can become something people crave -- there's a chemical reward tied to the behavior. But not for everyone. Much danger in overgeneralizing from our experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:08 PM
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You probably shouldn't trust a random guy online, people have terribly unreliable memories and theyre mostly liars. But it can be just as perilous to ignore them out of hand, especially when it comes to data you don't want to hear. Because the world is a pretty ugly place. If you ignore data because it sounds ugly, you're not going to see the world very well, if at all. Open-mindedness is nothing but a capacity to be skeptical of your own beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 03:34 PM
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The OKC study was the first iteration of that data I'm aware of, but its since been reproduced numerous times in more a academic capacity. (Sadly I haven't saved any sources, sorry.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 03:23 PM
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Men are held to a much higher standard, due to biology. The 80% figure is misleading, it's actually 80% of guys who are below average attractiveness. The number of guys who are actually positively attractive is closer to 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:26 PM
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Mean something like: you'd be able to move from being a 5 to a 6 maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 04:53 AM
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What you havent wrapped your head around is women aren't attracted to ~80% of guys irrespective of how much time they spend at the gym or how nicely they dress. If every lady spent time at the gym, guys would have some level of attraction to 90% of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:44 AM
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Uni attendance has more to do with privledge than intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:38 AM
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I'm not cursed with those desires, but something like 98% of people are, and those people have my sympathies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 03:30 PM
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My gf does occasionally say I remind her of her dad. But I think those theories are Freudian horseshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 03:28 PM
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My outlook is basically: feel free to date women, but do it without attachment or investment, so if/when they leave you, it doesn't matter. Just don't build your life around women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 03:11 PM
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If I was constantly being approached, I'd never learn to approach others. I'd also quit faster when facing failure. Expecting women to approach will solve 0 problems, though, as could be best exemplified by Sadie Hawkins dances, where the girls asked out the guys. Because all the girls would ask out the same one or two guys. And thats pretty much how it would work if women were approaching men more often. Their approach would reflect enormously high standards, so it wouldn't help anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:56 PM
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Good pt. Might have some relationship to the personality trait of psychological liberalism, (i.e. a readiness/willingness to challenge authority.) Because I could see actually-existing systems as being interchangeable with authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:30 PM
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People are rarely (if ever) aware of the real motivations for their behavior. And ideology tends to mask their understanding of behavior rather than change it. So no, feminists don't date differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:10 PM
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Received zero advice. My parents never did parenting. Didnt interact with women in any capacity until I was 22 or so. (Lots of female attention came my way throughout my time in school, but I was a nonverbal autistic, so that could never go anywhere.)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 01:41 PM
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That's a dismal view of men. Better to hate everyone than one gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:12 AM
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Maybe this is a coincidence, but I don't think I've ever heard a man talk about lifestyle being important.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 01:24 AM
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Too picky is a normative claim, i.e. a claim about how things should be. I wouldn't go as far as to make claims about how women should be. The species is probably as successful as it is because theyre disturbingly picky. Sure, maybe their pickiness in this era will cause the destruction of humanity; but I'd still hesitate to claim it should be another way. But yes, people don't want to blame women, and women don't want to take responsibility. So going forward, you can safely assume men will take…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 12:30 AM
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Top predictor of divorce is a man losing his job, leading runner's up include women getting promotions at work or earning a higher degree than her husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 11:49 PM
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Do they believe they'll face a long-term decrease in income?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 11:24 PM
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Boiling it down to survival seems like it's overlooking the fact high earning women raise their standards to demand high earning men. Guys who make 100k aren't hurting for money, but women earning 300k don't want anything to do with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 11:09 PM
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Good pts
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 09:47 PM
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Ye. See this a lot with incels. A fair amount of them are just gamma or omega males, nothing (or very little) "wrong" with them. But women have to assume they're human garbage to explain their failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 09:39 PM
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I'm in a 15 year relationship :] I find humans reprehensible & avoid them desperately. But everything I said is true. Some guys are SOL based on personality genetics alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 09:05 PM
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True generalizations exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 08:48 PM
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Yes, that's not the point, though. We'll have to see how many are still virgins in 20-30 years. I'd guess rates of lifelong virginity will x3 or x4 compared to previous generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 08:02 PM
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The stats might not agree with you. Rates of virginity are skyrocketing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 07:56 PM
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Uggos can have strong social skills & finances, ye. But I'd claim bad social skills isn't a problem that's as easy to fix as is often believed. A lot of that will come down to personality traits like friendliness, gregariousness, agreeableness -- traits that make socializing rewarding. I'm low in many of those traits, so I'll always find human interactions terrifically unrewarding, which means my social skills will always be pretty dismal. That's not something you can change with therapy, not an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 07:50 PM
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I have a lot of sympathy for women who feel that way, but its greatly reduced by the fact hypergamy drives ladies to look at men in terms of "value." i.e. Men tend to be treated as status symbols or piggybanks by women who complain they're being used for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 07:45 PM
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What the calculator could use is some self-reported facial attractiveness stats, I've got it going on in that area. (Still would be a lousy metric without incorporating social skills, tho.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 07:38 PM
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I'd agree that the explanatory power of raw statistics isn't sufficient to encapsulate human attraction. Didnt feel that needed to be said, assumed the reader would be aware enough to realize the limitations of the data. (But I forgot that nonautistics are so overwhelmingly, single-mindedly focused on status that such a claim would trigger a disgust response.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:38 PM
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I've edited for clarity, top 5% according to the female delusion calculator.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:02 PM
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Depends how you weigh things. For girls who make 150k I'm certainly not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:01 PM
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So now we get to find out how murderous and unstable polygamous societies are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:15 PM
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Women enjoy devaluing unattractive men, it's like a weird form of victim blaming. (A lot of the hate towards incels is like that.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:08 PM
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Apocalyptic, and even then it'll be men who are blamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:05 PM
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It's female-driven polygamy. Women are choosing to share over taking a beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:05 PM
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Young women are out-earning young men, which makes more-and-more men unattractive partners. Social media probably plays a small part in raising female standards for physical attractiveness, but I'd bet it's largely economic. I'm in the top 5% for men (according to the female delusion calculator), but I'm relatively broke. Women who earn 150k would rather buy a third cat than date me. Given the 60-40 college enrollment, the next generation will be an interesting time to be alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:03 PM
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Low rates of replenishment can kill a society, so can an inability to find relationships for men. (Polygamous societies are a lot less stable than monogamous ones, and thats what we're becoming.) I'd like to see civilization end, so it's all good news to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:55 PM
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Words have a distinct feeling to them. There's a slightly different feeling between "horse" and "steed." The latter is like, horse +1. Glorified horse. Vibing is making words that generate positive feelings by observing the incredibly small distinctions between them. Pulling that off requires you to know a fair amount about your audience, which creates a sense of connection. (Literally the same tricks used in marketing to get you to buy shit.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 05:56 AM
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Had a chick who was telling me she was too busy to conversate, meanwhile she was logging 80 hours a week on videogames. From my perspective, her behavior didn't look like good social skills; it looks like the behavior of a weak-willed liar ramming into my behavior as someone who takes people at their word. Ended up driving her insane and we're not friends anymore. Should I have taken the hint? Maybe. I'd prefer not to assume people are weak-willed liars, but perhaps I should just accept thats wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:09 AM
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My (maybe poor) understanding of it is its literally nothing but information derived from studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:33 PM
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No age range. Age range is only relevant under the assumption you're going to spend an extended period of time being a whore. 35 in august.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:03 PM
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When Trump looks at "nice" or moral people, what he sees are scammers. If you're genuinely "nice" or moral, people who aren't will see it as an act, or they'll see you as an idiot. And most people are neither nice nor moral. (Plus women have so many liars going after them all the time anyway, they're going to be extra skeptical of genuine goodness.) There's also about a dozen different evolutionary reasons women would be attracted to dark triad traits and murderers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:00 PM
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I'm a guy with relatively little interest in sex. Can report that if you're not obsequious to women, you'll get pruned pretty quickly. (Alpha guys who are running game for sex are bending themselves into knots, redefining their entire identity for it, so don't tell me that's not a form of being obsequious.) We are this way because its what women made us. We are nothing but what women have made, and those who don't play along are both socially punished and cut from the gene pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:27 PM
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As an emperor surrounds themselves with sycophants, so do most of our friends turn out to be cowards who are entirely self-interested. Much of it is probably subconscious, much of it is probably because the ones who lie to us are also lying to themselves. Most people don't have your best interests in mind, humans are mostly poisonous obstacles. (I'm in the bottom 10% for trust on the Big 5.) But these aren't obstacles we can overcome, since most humans will always be devils running from reality,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:14 PM
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Calling RP an ideology rubs be the wrong way, just like if someone called science an ideology. Cause thats what it boils down to -- science tells us stuff about the behavior of men and women. Since we're talking about science, I wouldn't expect it to be an American thing. But I would expect slight cultural differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:01 PM
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Over 10 is high. Anyone who gets magnitudes higher triggers a disgust response.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:56 PM
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"2:1 hiring bias women stem" first Google result. Sorry for not posting the link, I'm inept on mobile. Edit: first result is for professors specifically but I think the trend holds true across other fields.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 09:10 PM
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With a 2:1 hiring bias favoring women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 08:31 PM
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Statistically speaking, how many? If its not 50-50, I'd say your hypothesis is trashed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 08:09 PM
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I probably shouldn't have said anything. But yes, my outlook is life is inherently suffering, and the only way out is spiritual practice. (Through which the suffering will continue, but it wont bother you anymore.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 07:22 PM
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People who do things are just distracting themselves. The misery is still there, they're just better at hiding.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 06:17 PM
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Why are women outnumbered in philosophy classrooms 4-1? Seems to me it has to be because women are less interested in those topics, which implies differences in thinking. Why are therr virtually no female philosophers?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 06:08 PM
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Have ambition for spiritual improvement, don't mind being in poverty as long as im sheltered and eating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 06:01 PM
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I'm probably not the best example, since I'm autistic and have to do "masking" to interact with people anyway. But the short answer is: game. Need to do "vibing", (which is something I don't do at all naturally.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 05:58 PM
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Don't have one for you, (and I suppose it's a bold claim to make.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 05:54 PM
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Being honest & direct is probably the worst one. But also having no ambition. (Non-gender specific, the more virtue you have, the less appealing you are to most humans.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 04:55 AM
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I've spent the last 6 months making the same mistakes over & over. But I can't complain, since being inept has helped me develop wisdom. That being the case, failure and misery is nothing to fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 04:33 AM
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Romantic love isn't the only form. Hell, you can love God and achieve the same effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 04:17 AM
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Women seem to take for granted that they can be themselves. That's not how it works for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 04:13 AM
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Not universally, but I'd say my personality is abborent to 98% of women. I'm certainly the best version of myself, as I improve I think I'm only getting less attractive to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 04:11 AM
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"Alpha."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 04:09 AM
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I'd guess that around 99% of men will fake their personalities while interacting with women. Because they get rejected otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 04:08 AM
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Being below replenishment levels can have bad effects too, but good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 01:48 PM
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Non-autistics are a lot more prone to hierarchy than autistics. (An extremely pedantic comment, but saying those are human traits is dehumanizing to people who lack them.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 08:35 PM
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Lol :]
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:36 PM
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Nearly everyone has the potential to become a murderer. 99.999% of men for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:20 PM
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Our ancient ancestors had 17 wives on average. For every guy that has 17 wives, that means there's 17 dudes without a wife. That was before agriculture came around & made monogamy a necessity for ladies. In the absence of outside forces pushing women into monogamy, we will revert to a world where women would prefer to share one HVM with 16 other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:25 PM
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There are people who don't want to participate in society in one way or another. They don't want to pay taxes or follow various laws, and those people often have my sympathies. So it goes with people who don't like monogamy. Women are probably better off without monogamy, even though it does raise the murder rate, it's men who get murdered. Also have sympathy for people who don't want monogamy. Maybe that's for the best, I don't know. It'll be pretty bad for men, but we're the disposable sex, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:01 PM
-1

Find ways to reinforce monogamy. The only ways I can think to do that aren't palatable enough to ever happen. Hiring quotas for men, making birth control illegal, etc. Suppose we could try and reduce the male population by 5% or so, that might have an effect. Maybe a catastrophic war?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:38 PM
1

Good place to start might be hiring quotas for men. Since that isn't going to happen, another approach would be we stop publicizing the names & manifestos of shooters. Wouldnt help the underlying problem but it would reduce how often the mass shootings happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:31 PM
-4

You can talk about accountability til you're blue in the face, but that won't change reality. You can't talk away gravity. Pretending reality isn't there is very much a trait that belongs to all genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:14 PM
-1

If you start writing excuses to dismiss studies before you've seen them, that's gonna guarantee you spend your life in darkness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:12 PM
0

Romantic, no. True, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:03 PM
1

You can blame gravity or you can acknowledge it. Shaming reality won't change how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:02 PM
-1

The rise in mass murders would be a good reason, but since they don't want to see that connection & are incapable of acting as an organized coalition, that problem won't be going anywhere. It's pretty well established that the murder rates shoot up when men can't find mates, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 02:50 PM
-4

OP is actually right. Most domestic violence is non reciprocal, and about 70% of nonreciprocal domestic violence is women beating men. Stop and ask why literally everyone has that backwards and you'll understand the problem men face.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 02:45 PM
4

It's relative. Can say with confidence that my GF gets a lot more attention that me, maybe by a magnitude of x10, and I'm objectively a lot more attractive than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 02:30 PM
6

Hard to say. Male genital mutilation feels like relatively unique oppression. So does locking guys up for missing child support payments, but I don't know enough about other cultures to know one way or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 02:28 PM
5

The thing humans are best at doing is victim-blaming. We'll keep blaming men, and we'll keep manufacturing men who are pushed over the edge. What can be done? Plenty. What will be done? Nothing. Because the people responsible for addressing the issue are incapable of understanding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 02:25 PM
8

I'm in a good relationship, I come here because this topic is deeply interesting to me. (To your credit, my dating xp wasn't super great.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 02:21 PM
5

Don't think that hating women is the point. It's not finding them interesting at all. Which is more or less my personal experience with them. Yes, they're HUMAN BEINGS. Real boring ones. (I'm quite positive they feel the same about me.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 01:49 PM
4

Ive lost interest rly. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 05:32 AM
1

Not all economies are based on sitting infront of a computer. If you head out into undeveloped parts of the world, most jobs are still brutal manual labor that women are poorly equipped to handle. And that's not changing in the next century or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:21 AM
5

I've given it a shot. Haven't been able to maintain any platonic friendships with any of the women in my life. Coming up on 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:58 AM
1

As a dude, my standards are: (1) be pleasant to hang out with (2) don't be very unattractive. Be under 180-200lbs. That's it. Women's standards seem very high compared to mine because mine are fairly low.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:53 AM
2

Lizbeanism. You, too, can be a dyke against the rising waters of mediocrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:50 AM
1

Had no female contact until age 21 or so. (And I suffered horribly for it.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:46 AM
1

Had a girlfriend who forced oral on me. I wasn't into it, and she used force on me when I tried to get up. But I didn't want to throw a fit, so I just allowed it to happen. I'm not a particularly assertive person. Honestly I probably would've forgot it happened, it wasn't a big deal to me. But some time later she realized what she'd done and felt incredibly guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:44 AM
3

Sweet Dee, that stupid bird.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:39 AM
2

Autistics don't think like that, in terms of groups and hierarchy. Neither of those things interest me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:08 AM
2

There are nicer ways to ask for sources. Asking in this particular manner signals to me your mind is closed, which is why I wont be digging them up for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:07 AM
2

There's a fairly well-documented hiring bias in favor of women. iirc, it's also pretty well pronounced in graduate programs. Dont take it personally. This world has never been a meritocracy, and it never will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 07:13 PM
3

?? Why so aggressive. Don't the stats speak for themselves? I thought it was common knowledge there aren't many women in stem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 06:16 PM
2

Porn and videogames catching blame just sounds like old men blaming rock and roll music. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 05:55 PM
3

Theres an extreme hiring bias in favor of women, uncertain if it's sustainable though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 05:53 PM
1

Women lack the disposition for certain kinds of jobs. They're not risk-takers, they're not inventors, they're not innovators, they're not philosophers. 90% of humans are sheep, and of the 10% who aren't sheep, 9% are men. That isn't flattering to women, and it's not flattering to our egalitarian values, but it happens to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:58 PM
1

Seems like it depends on the education. Education can make enlightened thinkers and it can make Nazis. Seems like it would also depend on your idea of better outcomes. I don't believe humans are able to measure happiness with any reliability, so what we're really talking about are values. People with materialistic values will probably have higher income and ergo "better outcomes", but those could be bad values. And bad values can be reinforced by education.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:50 PM
3

Women are largely taking jobs men don't want but can do, and usually better than women. For instance, nursing is female dominated, but men are at the top of that field. Cooking is female dominated, but men are at the top of that field.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:25 PM
0

Why are most teachers women? Probably because it's a low paying, low status job. Society could change that relatively easily. Try getting more women into STEM. Wont be easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:22 PM
1

Ambition is largely genetic, so I'd expect rates of male ambition to remain roughly static over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:16 PM
1

It is, but ladies seem a lot more interested in having an expensive lifestyle in my xp. Place a higher value on comfort maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:14 PM
1

Motivated by distrust of men, would be my guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:14 PM
2

In my (male) opinion, being a better slave isn't a good reason to get an education. Neither are chances for relationships. If you told a woman "don't get educated to increase your chances of getting married", I suspect a lot of women wouldn't swallow that. Id expect the same from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:09 PM
1

Don't take this the wrong way, but I get the sense you don't fully appreciate autistic behaviors. I'm around 125 IQ with sensationally high self awareness, and I've still got a bundle of (natural) behaviors that come across badly to NTs. Because those weird behaviors are a part of who I am on a deep level, getting rid of them (1) isn't trivial and (2) is extremely exhausting on multiple levels. "Masking" behaviors drive autistics to kill themselves, literally. Just as NTs would be driven insane …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 03:55 PM
1

58%! Thanks for the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:49 AM
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Look at the situation women are in. They view 80% of men as below average attractiveness. They expect someone in the top 20% or better, even if they're in the bottom 10%. Men with high expectations are in the exact same spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 11:07 PM
0

Have source?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 11:01 PM
0

Sounds anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:54 PM
0

OP has a nice sentiment, but there's a reason men and women don't tend to get along. The fact 1 man can find 1 woman who's a great friend means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Have to stop and ask if men and women make good friends to begin with. And I think the answer, generally speaking, is no.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:48 PM
3

Human nature probably hasn't changed much in the past 50,000 years. We can invent machines and make ourselves feel like we're not animals, but thats just vicious self deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:26 PM
2

Women who earn a degree while married / in a relationship (as well as women who get promoted or start earning more $) have a strong tendency to leave their partner. Only if they suddenly outrank their s/o*, i.e. he doesn't have a degree and now she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:18 PM
2

Considering women hold the majority of degrees, and they're statistically not going to "date down", yes. Guys without degrees are comparably screwed. But that disadvantage probably disappears once you've controlled for income. (Plus there's still the remaining 40% of women who didn't attend uni.)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 04:03 PM
1

There are no circumstances where it's socially acceptable for betas to approach women. Likewise, there are no circumstances where it's not socially acceptable for alphas to approach women. (Maybe a few. Funerals? Lol. But you get the point.)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 03:51 PM
1

I've dumped decently attractive women after sex. The problem is that someone who lacks a scarcity mindset isn't going to treat those women as having special value.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 03:49 PM
1

I'm aware of the naturalistic fallacy. With that said, I'm pretty confident in claiming that humans are inherently evil, and evolution is what made us. So evolution does lead to immoral behavior. But evil is the soil that produces good, and evil is quite self-defeating, so it's nothing to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 03:46 PM
1

Men evolved to overestimate female interest, women evolved to underestimate male interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 03:43 PM
1

If it makes you feel better, I hate men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 03:03 PM
1

Scientists need philosophy of science like a bird needs ornithology. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 01:58 PM
-2

Can only speak anecdotally, but I didn't smoke before age 25, (and didn't smoke regularly til 30), and I'm certainly the best version of myself today at 35. I'd guess its different for different people. For instance, ny brain is wired to create enormous quantities of anxiety, and my appetite is terrible to the point that my weight can get dangerously low.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 02:14 AM
1

Asking people (of any gender) questions about psychology is a bad way to go because even if they're honest (which isn't a given) they probably won't have the insight to understand their own behavior. That's why psychology tries to do studies instead of just questionnaires.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 01:47 AM
2

Good example might be "The Rational Male", both the book series and the YouTube channel.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 01:36 AM
4

Social intelligence is bad framing. Get some nonautistic folks to interact with autistics, they'll do a real shitty job because they don't understand autistic communication. The "double empathy problem" also guarantees bad results. Since socialization is by definition a two-way interaction, it would be very unintelligent to claim the autistics were solely at fault. So it goes with male-female communication; we're often quick to blame men for not communicating like women, but the failure is almos…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 12:31 AM
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They want a guy who "just gets it." Meaning they understand female communication and can use it without having to be instructed. If you want to learn it, study the red pill, study evo psych and psychology. And for fucks sake, don't ask women. (To be clear, "emotional intelligence" is bullshit.)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 12:23 AM
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I've had periods in my life where I needed to smoke lots of weed, then periods where I didn't feel that need. Or periods of time when I needed more socialization, then periods where I needed less. But always moving around a baseline level. Have pretty much never needed sex because my baseline for that is low. What affects the baseline? Probably testosterone, probably exposure to the opposite sex, probably exposure to norms that tell you sex is important, probably how often you've had sex recentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 09:56 PM
2

My life lesson: Don't have sex with people you don't trust, (however long that takes.)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 08:39 PM
4

In my brief history of dating, about 40% of dates went horribly, about 40% were down with first date sex, and the remaining 20% made me wait. The ones who made me wait were never worth the wait, and the ones who were eager to fuck were not eager to fuck with other dudes. So the reason you dislike the wait is because what it tells you about her, not because you're eager for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:43 PM
1

I'd agree that sex would be basically the only reason I'd ever interact with another woman, but I'm pretty close to ace as it is. Sex ranks somewhere below playing a cool videogame.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:31 PM
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Meh. I've been in a relationship for 15 years or so, she wants sex a lot more than I do. I might be after it 5 times a year. So no, that's not why I'm in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:18 PM
2

Unsure. You can sell crack to a crackhead and they can consent to it, still seems like you're doing a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 06:22 PM
1

Sounds immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 06:20 PM
1

Ask Marx.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 06:19 PM
1

They've controlled the majority of consumer spending for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 06:05 PM
7

The Bible taught me what's a disguise, but it took a lot of abuse before I internalized the message. (Some of the bad behavior was my own.) I've learned most humans worship themselves, and want others to worship them as well. I've learned people who practice lying are not capable of being honest with themselves. Thus snakes hang themselves with their own rope. I've learned you shouldn't let the fruits of your actions be your motivation, and to be wary of people who behave that way. Because they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 11:14 PM
1

Didn't mean to offend you, just wanted to present myself as a data-point for your question / post. xoxo
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 07:52 PM
1

Mhm. I'm not a Christian, I'd say I'm closer to hinduism (advaita vedanta), but Jesus is a rolemodel for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 06:01 PM
6

My gf (of 15 years) was a conservative when I got with her, while I've pretty much always been a left-anarchist. Very politically incompatible. Didn't try to change her, but being around me started dragging her left. Today she's communist-adjacent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 04:21 PM
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Don't want to be that guy, no. I've got a personality type that isn't very influenced by others opinions, so being greater or lesser than others isn't a motivator for me. Interesting to others? Don't care. In this economy, financial success has a strong correlation to being a thief or a slave. Why would I want success in that system? Best guy I can be is probably someone who's Christ-like, which almost necessarily means poor and hated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 03:03 PM
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Human opinions arent worth anything. Read stories like "I no longer love my boyfriend, but I can't afford to leave him."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 02:09 PM
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Provisioning & not wanting to be alone. (Literally to make rent, in some cases.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:53 PM
1

Sounds like an empirical claim. If the bar for men were low, then you'd expect them all to be in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:46 PM
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Women settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:42 PM
1

I've got first dates with a fairly small number of women, maybe 15. It was always miserable. Combined with the fact that actually securing the date was also miserable, it's not hard to see why I stopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:52 PM
2

Young women are outearning young men in a lot of metropolitan areas now, ranging from San Fran to NY. They're also being paid more at giant tech conglomerates like Google. (Ignoring the fact they've controlled the majority or consumer spending for decades.)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 04:55 AM
1

What's the relevance of neglecting other parts of your life? It's that those decisions affect her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 03:04 PM
1

Only wasteful in my eyes if I wanted her to do something else, which would be ME wanting something from HER, which was my point exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:59 PM
1

What makes that time wasteful vs productive? Are activities that give you pleasure not inherently valuable?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:58 PM
1

This. Doing something you enjoy is a problem when it doesn't benefit the woman. She wouldn't complain if you were spending 15 hours a week playing basketball because at least you're staying in shape. The problem is SHE doesn't benefit from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:44 PM
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Because it provides the woman with nothing. If he spent 4 hours playing basketball, at least he's staying in shape. What does she get out of the videogames?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:41 PM
2

Desirable for what reason? Sexual attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 05:27 PM
1

Sun damage is an interesting point, but that would seem related to aging gracefully or not. I'd expect aging gracefully to be largely irrelevant to discussions of sexual attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 05:26 PM
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I'd say those women aren't putting on the weight to be physically attractive to men. Relates to being in a culture where everyone is starving. Take away the starvation and see who the men choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 03:29 PM
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Have to distinguish between "thick" and obesity. One signals health and one doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 03:09 PM
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Culture can bend the rules but not break or rewrite them. You can't train men into loving obesity or women into to loving a timid, broke misanthrope. I'd guess "white beauty" is somewhat related to wealth, but not as much as people might think. For instance, research has shown that men don't like a lot of the hallmarks of black women's faces. People want to believe thats culturally driven because the alternative is very ugly. Could be similar with other races, i.e. it's empirically possible that…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 01:51 PM
3

Go find a meth addict and measure their happiness, it'll probably be pretty high. Then measure it again in 15 years. Same goes for women in their hoe phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 01:39 PM
1

"Value" isn't bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 07:58 PM
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I'd say "real" virtues will actually repel women. Agreeableness (personality trait) has an inverse correlation with lifetime sexual partners. Its like the difference between respect & a lucrative connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 07:30 PM
21

Reading "ultimate Chad omega Supreme" made me want to order taco bell.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 02:05 AM
1

Most humans want a family, at least in an abstract sense. Whether or not they want everything that comes with a family is another question. You want to smoke, yes, but do you want lung cancer?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 12:56 AM
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Can only speak for myself, but seeing how women work makes me want to avoid them. It was like being a smoker and then learning the 5,000 ways cigarettes aren't good for you. I've got a girlfriend of 15-years and I'm glad to have her around. But occasionally I'll see her nature and it causes me to feel repulsed. Not sure if I would ever date again. Because honesty, the person I want to become is not a person who is attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 12:53 AM
1

When George-Michael Bluth moved into Sudden Valley, his girlfriend (Rebel Alley) noticed he was surrounded by men who wanted to be in his company. Social proof 101. One of the bigger problems is men and women generally don't share similar interests. I'm into philosophy. Men outnumber women in phosophy classes by about 4:1. I'm into competitive videogames, there's another 4:1 ratio (or more.) Used to be one of the top Overwatch players in North America, bet you there are about 200 women on the pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 08:50 PM
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Hm. What about ugly guys who are short and poor? Maybe they've got great social skills, but still get called a virgin (with disdain) by women. Is "great social skills" the same thing as likable or attractive? I think it isnt.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 08:33 PM
9

The narcissist will dress nicely and present with confidence. They're doing that because of deep-seeded insecurities, but outsiders will generally see that as confidence or self-love, when it's actually self-hate. Most humans are very, very vulnerable to subconscious body language. They see the self-importance of someone who thinks the world of themselves and are attracted to those "positive vibes." Thus the narrcisist is likable, even if they're full of bad intent, while autistic people are unl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 07:22 PM
1

Thanks for the response. Can confirm, direct communication is deeply hated by most. Especially women. Wouldn't say we find direct communication attractive, only that it makes the most sense to us. When I see someone who communicates indirectly, what I see is a liar or a coward.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 05:10 PM
1

Just being pedantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 04:16 PM
1

High-earning women actually have a strong preference for high earning men. It's the high earning men who lack that preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:57 PM
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Hm. I'm pretty confident you're a woman because you're struggling to imagine a high earner mating with a low earner, but men give 0 fucks about a woman's income. That's a female preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:51 PM
1

Autistic guy here. Have you encountered autistics who say communication is always attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:49 PM
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Women use "virgin" as an insult against men because its women's job to communicate fitness information to other women. (Men play along, but its women's game.) Being a virgin is a red flag for a man because it signals the sisterhood has so-far rejected him, indicating he's a low value mate. Female virgins aren't a red flag in the same way, so they're only going to get pity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:13 PM
2

Yeah, as a legal fiction, meaning someone didn't literally have a gun to your head. I've got nothing but antagonistic feelings for the "justice" system, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 06:52 AM
2

Have a family member who knows I'm a generous person, and a career-driven friend. Call my cynical, but I'm pretty confident both of them have encouraged me to be more successful because they think it would benefit them. When a doomsday cult believes the world will end tomorrow, they aren't doing any recruiting. But once that fated day comes and goes, and they're proven wrong, that's when the recruiting starts. They recruit once they need others to support their delusion. (Ironically, you see blu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 06:13 AM
2

OP is very smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 06:08 AM
5

"Cheating is a choice." Free will has less basis in fact than religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 05:00 AM
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"Most" sounds like a reach, since about a third of young men are getting no action and another third are (probably) doing only a little better. I think everyone has a tendency to overgeneralize from their experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 10:16 PM
2

Hard to say. I'm almost 35, I can think of one girl who was into me, and one or two who pretended to be. I'm fairly (physically) attractive so I can get some short-term interest, but my personality drives them away.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:58 PM
2

You missed the big one: birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:54 PM
3

I'm powerless to stop others, God has all control.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:22 PM
3

Male-female relationships are almost inherently exploitative, at least for the bottom 80% of men. We're meant to experience life in small 200 person tribes, but thats not coming back.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:21 PM
1

Someone who makes 20 million a year feels like a bum when they find out their cousin can afford a nicer jet. Infinite material freedom can come to humans and they would still wallow in misery.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:19 PM
3

Wanting to change the world seems naive to me. That being the case, anything that gets you away from that is progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:17 PM
1

I'd guess both sexes are roughly the same with respect to that fear, but men consciously use it to manipulate women more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 06:17 PM
1

You're assuming thats my intent, but it could be that I'm stating something that's factually true because I believe it to be factually true. You shouldn't assume bad intent, you could also conclude I'm misinformed, but leaping to the assumption of bad intent is not a good way to go. Women superior at seeing color, reading nonverbal language, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 04:51 PM
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You see fallacies because you misunderstand my intent. But I already said that and you were unable to believe me, so I'll have to peace out of thi conversation. Ps.. not blaming you for misunderstanding, probably mostly my fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 04:47 PM
1

Women are inferior at some things and superior at others. As far as moral worth is concerned, I'd say we're all equal, meaning you, me, and Hitler are all worth the same. You and the homeless folks outside my window, and Elon Musk, all worth the same. While I'm not really interested in gender, I am a tad prejudiced when it comes to neurodiversity. From my perspective, non-autistics are dismal thinkers, and it does incline me to look down on them. But that's something I'm working on overcoming ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:51 PM
1

Many people believe things for bad reasons. I'd say most Christians are using their religion as a "cope", and most of the people who claim to believe in God are deluding themselves. But that doesn't mean Christianity as a whole is rotten.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:39 PM
1

That's an empirical claim, meaning a claim that can be tested and falsified. I think for it to be dogma it would probably have to be an unfalsifiable claim, but maybe I'm wrong about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:28 PM
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As a misanthrope,, I consider men and women equally terrible. But I feel it's important to point out the US spent trillions of dollars "fighting terrorism" to save a few hundred lives when millions are lost to simple things like medical bills. If we don't prioritize by effect, we're effectively culpable for the millions of preventable deaths we could've stopped but didn't because we were trying to save 40 people. Thats what happens when were led by emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:26 PM
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I think the root of our miscommunication is you believe me to be defending something, which I'm not. (But if I were, you'd be correct to call the things I said fallacious.) Fallacies are in my wheelhouse as a former philosophy student, but argument isnt permitted under my spiritual practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:13 PM
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If the victims are statistically insignificant, correct, ignore them. You'd be better off trying to get people to eat healthier foods to reduce the rates of heart disease.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:10 PM
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Men & women don't have any responsibilities in relationships (that I'm aware of.) Are we only talking about relationships? I figured we were talking about society more broadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:09 PM
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If that's true, then "patriarchy" accurately portrays women, because women are the weaker sex who are less capable of violence. (But that's not an answer to my questions.) Did you just ask me if men have less responsibility than men? No offense intended, but from the way you communicate and think I can tell you're a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:01 PM
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In my xp, ideology is rarely (perhaps never) a motivator of human behavior. It's more like an after-the-fact rationalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:58 PM
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Surely, because the deaths caused by texting are about 1000 times more dangerous and prevalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:57 PM
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So it "doesn't count" that women get less time for the same crimes because men are the ones giving sentences? (1) Why does it matter who gives the sentencing? (2) do you have any evidence the sentencing would be different if women were giving it? (I.e. a study that shows how female judges proscute differently.)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:54 PM
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If you ask me, someone who strikes a person with their car while texting is a murderer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:51 PM
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Most people can't see the hate in their hearts, or they feel its not hate because they perceive it as justifiable disgust. That probably describes every member of the KKK. I'd guess 0% of them regard themselves as hateful or see their hate as anything but love.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:46 PM
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No offense intended, but you're the one who seems to be full of hate. I'd advise you to follow Jesus' prescription and hate no one, because hate is only harmful to the person who hates.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:36 PM
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Female attraction is interchangeable with male social status. Combined with the Just World Hypothesis, anyone who doesn't attract women will be assumed to be trash. That's not a cultural artifact, it's our genes in action. Women calling dudes a virgin as an insult, again, not a cultural artifact. It's women's job to identify "low value" men and communicate that information to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:23 PM
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Yes. It was a bad move & was regrettable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:19 PM
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If RP is an ideology, then evolution is a religion.
/r/ExRedPill13/05/22 02:14 PM
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The people on this forum aren't interested in discovering truths, they're only here to soothe their egos. Go visit a young earth creationist forum, it's the same thing.
/r/ExRedPill13/05/22 02:14 PM
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And evolution is a religion.
/r/ExRedPill13/05/22 02:12 PM
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I suspect you seek to reframe RP as a belief system in an attempt to dismiss it without actually having to address any of the empirical data. Not unlike Christian scientists who try and claim evolution is a religion. RP isn't a belief system or a worldview or a philosophy. Framing it that way is an evasion used for the same reason young earth creationists claim evolution is based on faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:02 PM
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It's actually is pretty one-sided when you start to look at frequency. Because men and women are different and are attracted to different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 01:52 PM
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Are you suggesting incels are a cause of negative effects on society and not an effect? Where did they come from? Why weren't they here 30 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 01:51 PM
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Statistically insignificant in a population of hundreds of millions. Comparable to black Friday deaths, overwhelmed by deaths related to texting while driving, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 01:48 PM
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It's actually pretty well established that men who can't find a mates are more prone to violence. Polygamous societies are much more murdery than monogamous ones. Right now we're in the process of becoming a less monogamous society. Incels aren't a "club", they're a byproduct, and so is the violence that comes with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 01:46 PM
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Pretty confident that's inaccurate merely because the species doesn't hold women accountable for anything. (As reflected in a hundred million places, like women getting less time for the same crimes.)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 01:39 PM
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"Too damaged to fix themselves" is bleak. I don't think such men exist, and if they do, it's one out of thousands.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 01:37 PM
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Except for autistics. Theres basically no correlation between IQ and success for us. Very similar with deaf people, blind people, etc. P.s. never claimed most intelligent people are autistic. NTs outnumber us 50 to 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 05:16 AM
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Seems like it would depend on perceived obligations to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:37 AM
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Spending time by yourself isn't antisocial behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:47 AM
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What constitutes a developmental disorder? In other words, explain to me why introversion isn't one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 12:41 AM
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Factor 5 model, aka big 5, aka OCEAN. That's the crown jewel of psychology, similar to how evolution is the crown jewel of biology. (Notably, we also lack super hard proof of evolution, it's just very-very well established.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 08:10 PM
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The best supported theories in psychology are the ones that claim personality is 75% heritable. If you're skeptical of those ones, you may as well chuck out the whole field, because literally everything else is on shaker ground. (Which I'm not opposed to doing, since I consider at least half of psychology to be pseudoscience.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 07:25 PM
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What constitutes an illness? Because I can think of plenty of heritable traits that people would try and squeeze out of the gene pool that I wouldn't consider an illness but others would. Psychopathy and other 'dark triad' traits, autism, introversion, left-handedness, homosexuality... basically anything that won't boost GDP or a mother's ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 07:17 PM
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Wait for genetic editing to grow. Once we can pick and choose personality, the world is properly doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 05:20 PM
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I responded to this question and, ironically, my answer was deleted by mods.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 03:29 PM
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"Emotional intelligence" is pseudoscience, as far as I'm aware. Social intelligence is a weird concept, since nonautisics are terrible at interacting with autistics, but we're not in a hurry to call NTs low intelligence for being wired differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 02:27 PM
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That lengthy list boils down to the double empathy problem. (Autistics are wired differently, and they interact with people who anticipate they're wired like NTs.) Nonautistics are just as bad at understanding what autistics are feeling etc etc. The problem isn't unilateral.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 02:16 PM
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Autistics often look like narcissists to outsiders. The Greek autos means self, so autism means something like self-oriented.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 02:12 PM
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Have a source? Or are you just drawing inferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 02:08 PM
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Highly intelligent guys are probably a lot less likely to ask people out. (But don't let anyone here hear that, because if it conflicts with their behavior they'll dislike it based on the implication for their own intelligence.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 02:07 PM
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Because intelligence doesn't necessarily mean you're motivated to be socially successful. Do you think the awkward genius trope is pure fantasy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 02:05 PM
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That must be why high IQ autistics are notoriously popular and loved by everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 02:04 PM
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People of lower comprehension are often unable to identify people of higher comprehension. It takes intelligence to spot intelligence. Actually, people of lower comprehension will often think those who are intellectually above them are morons, or are pretending to look smart by using big words. And there's a modest gap between male-female IQ towards the high end. I'd say OPs hypothesis has some merit, but shouldn't be treated as a rule. Probably won't find much support here, because social intel…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 01:54 PM
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For every nonautistic with a 130+ IQ, there are eight autistics. Statistically, most of them are single, unemployed, or working retail for $10-hr. You'd never, ever have guessed they're among the smartest people on the planet because you won't talk with them. You've got to be inclined to learn the skill, being smart does not necessarily mean that you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 01:45 PM
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Being a professor isn't the only way to be a scholar. What you're suggesting here is basically a connection between extraversion and intelligence, which is patently false (and probably the opposite is correct.) That fact should be so obvious that it makes me suspect you're not very introverted.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 01:41 PM
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Then why post? The only reason I can think of is soothing one's ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 01:34 PM
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I wasn't trying to be mean in telling you that you're powerless, I was trying to empower you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 04:52 AM
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Look at the rules. They disallow you to talk about deterministic ideas (i.e. pointing out the fact our personalities are largely heritable etc etc), they go after you for talking about looks in certain ways ("incel content.") Blue pill talking points are not censored at all, by contrast. I fully believe this forum is someones misguided attempt to "fix" red pill folks, when the mods would be better fixing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 04:50 AM
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disrespect for those who hope to persuade will guarantee that you will fail to persuade them. Calling others insane, cultists, is a demonstration of the fact you're powerless to change minds, ergo everything you type here is merely to sooth your ego in the face of information you don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 04:44 AM
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That is not my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 04:41 AM
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Not great to trust anyone, the world is full of morons and liars, which includes most experts. The only way to go is develop your level of understanding to the point that you're capable of discernment on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:13 PM
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I'd say about half of psychology is pseudoscience. Maybe more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 09:25 PM
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You seem pretty confident in your knowledge. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 07:49 PM
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Its hard to know which gender cheats more because we have to rely on self-reported data, and that's something people are likely to lie about. (The human bias against men also makes this a tough topic to study.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 07:13 PM
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The divorce claim? Easily found in Google. Couldn't tell you how many men become bums like that. But if you have any data I'd be interested in seeing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 07:09 PM
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OP is missing an important detail. The top predictor of divorce is a man losing his job. There are other contributing factors, like the male conception of love being more idealistic, while women's conception of love is more opportunistic.... or men depending on their wives as a larger part of their social network (i.e. are more dependent on them.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 06:50 PM
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As an autistic dude, I can tell you with confidence that most people are too scared to tell you what they actually believe. The ones who want to persuade you are even worse, since they won't hesitate to lie in order to do it. It's an ends justify the means kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:00 PM
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Why did you only want that, though? I can't think of an answer which isn't related to abundance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 10:20 PM
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Don't mean this to be offensive etc, but if morality is a luxury to you, that means you're amoral. If we're only as good as our environment allows, then it's not us that's good, it's the environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 10:01 PM
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Good faith is a prerequisite for communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 09:11 PM
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I didn't insult you (intentionally), but as an autistic person I'm not well-attuned to what will offend the egos of nonautistics. Thus I have no friends. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 08:21 PM
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Only finished a minor in history, but did end up doing a lot of independent study after that. No need to be insulting simply because we don't see eye to eye, sorry if my post offended you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 07:23 PM
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The invention of agriculture (sort of) subjugated women for a few millenia, (a relatively small time frame in the scope of human existance), but that time has largely come to an end. People also overestimate the extent to which society has been male dominated for the past millenia. Did women only get the vote recently because of oppression or because they didnt actually need (or want) the vote? In order to take that question seriously, you've got to study history for hundreds of hours. It's much…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 07:02 PM
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If you leave the plantation, don't expect warm regards from your former masters.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 06:56 PM
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This is a female-dominated species, not a male dominated one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 06:55 PM
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Agree. Sometimes I can't stfu about the Bible, and it either forces crappy people to reveal themselves or sends them running.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:10 PM
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My #1 interest is philosophy. The ratio of men-women who study it is around 4-1. High IQ women exist, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're interested in the things I am. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:06 PM
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iirc, for every 1 non-autistic person with a genius-level IQ, there are 8 autistics. Statistics show most of them are friendless, unemployed, or working retail jobs for $10/hr.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:03 PM
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Couldn't tell you. But my social skills are abysmal and my gf is wildly in love with me, weve been together for about 15 years now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 06:02 PM
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Agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:25 AM
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My pet peeve is when people talk about self fulfilling prophecies. Our identity does make us into who we are, i.e. who we think we are ends up creating us. And that makes the self-fulfilling prophecy have a sliver of truth. But it's ignoring the question of why we have those identities to begin with. If you genuinely find women boring, that isn't because you decided to find women boring. Saying the incel is a self-fulfilling prophecy is a wonderful descriptor, but it entirely lacks prescriptive …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:22 AM
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Reality is sexist to the bluepill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:18 AM
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If you don't care about your looks-money-social skills, what's the plan? I'd guess a lot of guys didn't develop those things "for themselves" because they don't actually care about them. So for those individuals, what you've done is prescribe they become someone they're not & don't want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:16 AM
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Ambition is largely genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 08:50 PM
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Word. Best example are autistics, maybe. Autistics aren't bad at socializing. They're wired with a different style of communication, one that emphasizes information over emotion, among other things. Nonautistics are terrible at autistic communication, but we don't go around saying NTs are bad at socialization because people have a normiocentric worldview. I.e. we assume NTs are "doing it right" merely because there are more of them. It's similar with say, adhd, but autistics are a more extreme e…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 08:20 PM
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Asking someone how they work is (usually) a terrible way to get good answers. People don't know and are grossly dishonest with themselves. That's why psychologists do studies rather than just hand out questionnaires and call it good.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 02:02 PM
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More social skills is misleading, too. It's more like... more [neurotypical] social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 01:50 PM
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You could probably use # of friends to approximate social skills, but they'd have to be "real life" friends. Bonus points if they're normies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 01:49 PM
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One part projection, one part prescribing for others what would be good for her if people listened.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 03:43 AM
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Once saw a physician offer to write a script for amphetamines to a girl as a favor. (Not super likely to backfire on you, but thats still playing with fire.) Also lesser things. $60 videogames just to get her attention, $100 webcam just so they could see nicer selfie quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 12:33 AM
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I'm morally opposed to all forms of lying, including so-called white lies. Id also claim the #1 victim of a lie is the liar. Watching someone try to excuse lying behind the excuse "I'd get rejected otherwise" is a pretty clear example of what I mean. If you only have a relationship with moral behavior when it's convenient, then you don't have a relationship with morality at all. You're just a bundle of self interest, no different from a wild animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 06:07 PM
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High-achievers are often (but not always) driven by some kind of personality flaw. The Machevellian is ambitious. The narrcisist has ambition. People who need others to love them to fill a hole in their hearts. Not saying that describes every rich person, but its more than a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 05:42 PM
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I have an almost narcissistic self image. The fact I'm so deeply comfortable in myself is part of the reason I (largely) don't give a shit what others think of me. Consequently, I dress poorly, and im not at all hesitant to talk about the kind of negative subject matter that drives people away. Because again, I don't care if they're driven away or not. This has some appeal to women, the ones who actually get to know me. But on the surface level, the ones who don't know me will clock this behavio…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 04:49 PM
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Culture doesn't magically appear out of thin air. It always has some kind of connection to genetics, whether we're aware of it or not. The fact a cultural element exists should invite us to look for biological underpinnings, and we should resist the urge to conclude humans are magical creatures who can decide to feel however they want about anything given only the right education. Yes, people try and "pray the gay away." But you're laughably incorrect if you think homosexuality is the only realm…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 03:32 PM
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A little myopic. Men have smaller tear ducts and hormones that inhibit crying. Our brains probably incorporate that data into our model of what male behavior looks like, not on the level of learned behaviors, but on the heuristic level, similar to attraction. In other words, men who cry openly and often are breaking your brain's model for what male behavior looks like, which is why it's ugly and disliked cross-culturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 03:28 PM
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Could be easier under really unique circumstances. Like if there was World War 3, and 70% of the young men in the country died or left. The remaining 30% would probably do much better than women. But under "normal" circumstances, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 02:56 PM
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What do you call a beta who's financially broke?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 02:04 PM
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Ladies are most attracted to guys with options. Guys with options will use them. Agree with that part. Is that the main problem? Not sure. Because its not like women can control who they're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 01:47 PM
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Social skills aren't the biggest thing that tanks autistics. Studies show that nonautistics decide they want nothing to do with us after 2-4 seconds of interaction, not based on the content of our speech, but entirely based on subconscious body language. (First impressions can be beat, but they're surprisingly hard to change and quite long-lasting.) The reason you're not good at socializing with NTs is because it's not very rewarding for you. They're getting hits of belongingness, feelings/chemi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 06:09 AM
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In my xp, I get along with other autistics much better than NTs. But no, haven't dated one, would be very hard to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 06:00 AM
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Indirectness is the best place to hide a murder. Ambiguity. Behind just enough cause and effect for people to easily pretend they're not culpable. Intellectual dishonesty was a prerequisite for our species to thrive. That's why we all have an ingroup bias, and that's why we'll all be murderers and rapists under the right conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 09:27 PM
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The better known the laws and edicts, the more theives and robbers there are. The biggest murderers these days are all legal murderers, like people raising the price of insulin, people marketing cigarettes to children, etc. To quote JC, there are none who are righteous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 08:29 PM
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Word, I consider humans evil by nature. But it's not useful to go around telling people that, as if it would change their nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 08:22 PM
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Proverbs 20:10, the Lord hates a double standard. The implication in that verse is that people who are not godly (almost everyone) will love a double standard. But none of those people have the intellectual honesty to recognize it, let alone admit to it. So asking is rather pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 08:15 PM
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Women are designed to see men in the 70th percentile of attractiveness as below average. Calling that entitlement etc etc isn't accurate, it's just biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 08:00 PM
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You can actually learn to read people really well. But that's not a skill you're going to develop before ~30, and only if you spent an awful lot of time developing it. At this point in my life, though, feel as though I can see through a fake with one glance. (Edit: inherently unpopular thing to say, since 99% of people lack the skill, so 99% of people will think I'm full of it.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:43 PM
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Have tested OPs hypothesis in reverse. Found a woman who was somewhat interested in me, then I started dropping all kinds of clues that I was unpopular. The shift in her perception was rapid and stark.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:22 AM
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Depends what you mean by original, but I remember seeing some evidence that about 95% of people are sheep and the remaining 5% are mavericks. Relates to evolutionary pressures. (Of the mavericks, I'd say the majority are autistics.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:18 AM
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Relates to needs for power-control. Go find someone who gets walked-on all-day at their job, ill show you someone who spends their nights screaming at teenagers in videogames.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 12:56 AM
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Hm. I consider capitalism equivalent to slavery, and employers equivalent to slavemasters. As such, a small part of me would like to see those people meet a violent end. But putting my morality onto others, under threat of violence, would be a silly thing to do. (And make no mistake, plenty of capitalists are literally mass murderers, like those who've marketed cigarettes to children, or those who raise the price of insulin.)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 05:27 AM
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War against drugs worked as intended. It was setup to put blacks and hippies in prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 05:23 AM
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Word. There's a reason royalty are all inbred, and income is a better predictor of genetic similarity than race. "Just date a high-earning girl who's not going to divorce-rape you" is delusional because it's only advice that applies to men who those girls would date to begin with. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 07:53 PM
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People who want to believe things will have trouble seeing things as they are. If you wanted to see things as they are, you'd need a cold indifference that would make psychopaths look warm & friendly in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 07:01 PM
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This comment makes me pretty confident you're a woman. Reads like female cognition to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 06:51 PM
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The point of stats is to find general truths, but I'm sorry for not having a source offhand.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 06:23 PM
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an image Can't find the one I was thinking of, but here's one that's similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 04:07 PM
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0% of the smokers I know have lung cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 04:01 PM
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If the high-acheiving woman who doesn't want you married you? Sure. That seems to be ignoring the part where she doesn't want you, but sure, if you can get her, go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 02:57 PM
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If she makes 90k and wants someone who makes 90k+, what that means is she's narrowed down her selection to something like 20 million people, or about 20% of the male population. (Assuming American.) Then remove the men who are too old, incompatible, or already married. Now she's looking for maybe 5% of the population. (The same 5% that's being fought-over by women 10-years younger.) The point being that "just date a high-achievment woman" is advice that works for a tiny fraction of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 02:39 PM
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So you're saying men who complain about divorce rates should seek out high-attaining / educated women? It's a nice idea, but those women don't want anything to do with men unless they earn 140% of her income.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 02:19 PM
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20,000 years ago you'd have seen 100 women in your life, and you'd be related to a third of them. Would be more interested in ratings in that environment. These days with the internet and billions of humans, the competition is something else. People get compared to Instagram models.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 02:05 PM
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Social isolation is only a bad thing if you don't want it. But I appreciate the sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/22 01:53 AM
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What do I need with a woman who feels that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/22 12:58 AM
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I can't find women who are interesting, but neither can I find men. Humans are boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 11:22 PM
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I do my best to avoid human interaction because we're all terrible. The audio is muted in this videogame I'm playing because I don't want to hear these people speak. Women who say they don't want to play the game because the people are horrible are only half right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 10:54 PM
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Rookie numbers. Guys get maybe a 2% success rate, so just do that another 94 times to emulate the male experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 10:49 PM
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Lots of men feel the same. Alas, someone has to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 10:46 PM
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Yep. Have heard ladies complain the reason women don't study philosophy is because it's male dominated. Which is like saying the sky is blue because it's not brown. You could spend the next century trying to convince women to study it, all youd do is adulterate the field and make everyone dumber in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 10:33 PM
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If sanity or reality looked like sanity or reality, the world would be nothing like it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 08:53 PM
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Got it backwards. Anxiety doesn't cause the issues, its a rational response to expected stimuli. When your failure rate is 100%, it would be irrational to feel otherwise. My social competence doesn't increase with practice, meaning I persistently harm the people I interact with, which leads to the anxious feelings because I'm vividly aware that I'm causing others discomfort. Again, I'm not worried about my image. I'm only put off by harming others.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 04:06 AM
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I actually did give up on making friends for those reasons. Spent 10 years trying to make them, proved for 10 years that I couldn't do it. Took another shot at it earlier this year, same result. After a certain point, it's trying something that's doomed which will kill your self esteem. Edit: not worried about how im perceived, worried about the fact I'm perceived badly and harm others in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 02:47 AM
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I'm desperately afraid of coming across as a creep or bothering a girl. Ironically, that fear actually makes me seem like I've got a lack of confidence etc etc, which basically turns me into the creep she wants to avoid. I'm honestly incapable of not caring if I come across as a creep, so it's pretty much an inescapable problem, because real social confidence is a consequence of real social competence, not a result of delusional self belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 02:01 AM
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Wide shoulders, broad chest, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 01:22 AM
4

Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 11:16 PM
3

Lol nothing to feel bad about, I consider myself incredibly lucky. Thanks for reminding me to readjust my sense of attractiveness to match female standards, that's hard to internalize.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 08:26 PM
3

Yeah, 8 is maybe misleading because that's just looking at physical appearance, which is a stupid way to measure female attraction. I've got a terrible personality, zero social skills, and I'm broke, which probably means my 8 is more like a 3 to most women. Nice wrapper with cheap Chinese crap inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 08:01 PM
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As a broke dude, I've got no grudge against women who aren't interested. That's just DNA. (If her values and aspirations require cash, they don't align with mine, anyway.) There's no moral superiority. All humans are equal. The ones who don't realize that will torture themselves quite badly. If your DNA has set you up to torture yourself, that's not for me to judge or "fix." But if you ask me what I think, I will tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 07:54 PM
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Back in my dating days, I spent five years in a stream of constant rejection & unending loneliness. I'm maybe an 8, but my lived experience was probably comparable to women who are 3s and 4s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 06:48 PM
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Ladies are programmed to underestimate signs of male interest, basically the opposite of men, who overestimate signs of interest. They also have more of a social circle to begin with. Folks with 15 friends value #16 less than folks with 4 friends value #5.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 06:02 PM
1

Ye, can't put things into binaries, have to look at weighted spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 05:50 PM
5

Is that good for the quality of their relationships? i.e. are women happier in their relationships than men? Based on divorce stats, I'd guess the answer is no.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 02:58 PM
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If you have a safety net, then falling becomes an option, and you're more likely to do it. Don't be in a relationship with someone where you feel the need to have an exit strategy. Burn your bridges or you'll self-sabotauge the things you have. If the bridge isn't worth burning, then you're wasting time with the person you're seeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 02:38 PM
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I think it's a bit like cars. Im not a car guy, I couldn't tell one apart from another. But just from a glance, I can figure out if a car is "normal" or expensive. Is a good point though, you can probably fake expensive-looking watches.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 01:49 PM
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Lol, I'm autistic, so luck with women isn't in the cards for me, either. But if Jesus is to be believed, at least I'm blessed in spirit ❤
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 05:13 AM
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I'm jelly, you'll earn more in a month than I've made in the past 3 years :] Am vaguely citing a research paper, but I don't remember looking at their methedology at all. Just remember that a guy who was 6'2 needed an income 30k lower than a guy who was 6'0 for equal attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 04:45 AM
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Earning $200k is probably like going from 5'8 to 6'0. Doesn't make you hot all by itself, but it helps a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 04:12 AM
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Ten? You obviously weren't paying attention. She's a 13.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 03:00 AM
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Very rare for women to approach men, in my experience. But if you wore a suit, and a $25,000 watch, or did some other 🦚 behaviors, you might get a different result.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 02:58 AM
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Attractive people (tend to) have softer lives. Softer lives (tend to) make worse people. Take a pumpkin plant and grow it indoors, separated from UV and wind. Then take it outside and see how well it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 01:55 AM
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Halo effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 01:53 AM
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That's your programming, you couldn't do differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 01:40 AM
1

Good place to start would be the factor 5 model, or OCEAN. Its the best supported theory in the field of psychology, and it tells us about 75% of personality is heritable genetics. From there, we'd want to look for gender-specific personality traits. In other words, stuff that occurred more in one of the sexes. That stuff has been researched to death.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 10:03 PM
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Sure. Why are some men 5'1 and some men are 6'11? Is that because the short ones decided not to grow? In the world of genetics, we're talking about true generalizations, not absolutes. Men are taller than women. That's a true generalization. Its not relevant that some women are taller than some men, because thats not the claim being made.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 09:24 PM
1

I'd say "attribute to genetics", there's no blame in genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 09:11 PM
1

No offense intended, but I kinda feels like youve been working overtime to intentionally miss the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 06:50 PM
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Missing the point (my intended meaning), but if you wanted to discuss who invented science (and wanted to ignore the ancient world), I'd probably give a lot of credit to philosophers like Hume, (the father of falsification), and not fields of philosophy (like christianity.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 06:48 PM
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Many of our behaviors make us unhappy. Wanting to fuck 100s of women has made me unhappy. Does that mean I'm wrong for wanting to fuck 100s of women, and should learn better? That's a normative question, meaning a question about how things should be, rather than a question about how things are. Instead we should drop the normative statements about how we'd like the world to be, and focus strictly on statements that describe the world as it is. And in the real world, I've got that impulse to fuck…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 04:59 PM
1

Lots of research has been done in this area. Women who are high earners, on average, are not interested in men who earn less. That's just a statistical reality. Like, ignore the social science for a moment. Ignore what people claim to believe, and look strictly at our DNA. The fact is, two random rich people have more in common, genetically, than two random people of the same race. That's because the rich breed among the rich, and the poor breed among the poor -- or at least thats the general tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 04:50 PM
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Would also be important that the test we created didn't assume we were correct to begin with. That's called Christian science.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 04:39 PM
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Sounds like you've setup an unfalsifiable hypothesis on the back of survivorship bias. In other words, is there a qay for us to test and prove your idea is wrong? If we can't think of a way, thats a very, very bad sign. Indicates we're out in la-la land.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 04:34 PM
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Might be worth asking why those behaviors exist. Is it arbitrary, happening by pure chance? Is it because the Pope said something once? Is there a biological basis to those behaviors?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 04:03 PM
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Give up your ideas of free will for 5 minutes and try seeing a purely deterministic universe, one where humans have no control and we're all just cogs in a machine. In that universe, people can be trusted to be cogs, and not trusted to use magical bootstraps that defy reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 03:45 PM
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That's a nice sentiment, but we have to ask if men are behaving that way because they've learned something badly, or because of something to do with their biology. If its the latter, then what you've said would be close to "victim blaming."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 03:29 PM
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Money and options.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 02:45 PM
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People tend to fear things that are real, not things that are fake. Meaning the possibility of being alone is more real for men, i.e. he has a smaller social circle, or maybe no social circle, while the divorced woman is I'm a different spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 02:43 PM
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You're talking to someone who doesn't understand (and probably doesn't like) free speech.... like most humans. But you can't tell them that, they don't want to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 02:25 PM
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Ive got no pride in me, or very little, as I've worked at eliminating sin from my heart. All I've done there is provided an objective description of the facts. The fact you've read it as an attempt to communicate information about myself to others, posturing etc, is a reflection of the pride in your heart. So yes, you don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:42 AM
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Isn't that a cyclical mindset? In other words, is it falsifiable?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 11:26 PM
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Its a good idea, but that's a little less than 1% of the human population, probably. (And you thought dating a population of 50% women was tough.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 11:25 PM
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"Being yourself" doesn't work out great for autistic men, most of the time. Being who we are is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 11:22 PM
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I'm skeptical. Seems like that would only work if the confidence eventually had a correlation with competence, i.e. you saw results. Can't see the confidence "sticking" if you just eat shit in a loop.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 11:18 PM
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Good analysis. I might call it "relative" confidence because it's relative to an observer. My own confidence is over 9000, but I guarantee that rarely comes across.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 11:15 PM
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Good writeup. Recently had someone try and make me more confident just by dumping praise on me, but I suspect that's insanity. Praise doesn't change the assessment of my behavior, (especially if I know its praise given with that aim.) People see my low confidence and think I need an attitude adjustment, but its a realistic, appropriate attitude in the social domain.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 11:11 PM
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Im confident in my abilities and unafraid to express myself. And those are the reasons I'm generally disliked -- people don't care for who I am. Personally, I consider that their problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 11:07 PM
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No interest in appeals, the truth doesn't need protection, advocates, or believers. Just wanted to express disgust for having a view censored on what's supposedly a debate forum. Xoxo.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 06:18 PM
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I'm in a 15 year relationship. Is there an "incel content" rule? If so, that seems like a catch-all that allows mods to censor anything that makes them personally uncomfortable. Unless there's an objective basis to determine what constitutes that type of content, but I can't think of such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 05:55 PM
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I don't find reality offensive, so what I said isn't a complaint, it's an observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 05:06 PM
1

Too persistent means "ugly." Not aggressive means "not ugly."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 03:27 PM
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People don't have insight into themselves or their own behavior. It's extremely rare. Almost anyone who thinks they understand their behavior is quite ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 05:47 PM
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When it comes to relationships, women are opportunists. They're looking for someone who has higher SMV, higher income, more education, etc etc. So no, a loving, equal partnership is not how women look at relationships. That's an entirely male perspective, owing to evolutionary pressures.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 04:41 PM
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My girlfriend's brother is maybe 5'8 with a hairline that's about 30 years ahead of his age. He's also a wildly popular guy because he's always been a charismatic extrovert. He married an 8. But it's worth remembering that his charisma and extraversion is almost just as heritable as his hairline. So is his ambition. People treating personality as separate from their genetics is what I would call ignorance of self. It's rooted in psychological reactance, or what the Bible calls pride.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 04:33 PM
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OP fails to understand men and women are different, and age differently. Which is odd, that seems like it should be somewhat obvious to someone who was genuinely trying to understand another person's ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:47 PM
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You'd need to measure with a framework that didn't assume you were correct to begin with, i.e. begging the question. I'm sure such a thing exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:57 PM
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That metric carries the assumption women won't have transactional sex. Seems like a serious error.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 05:32 AM
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Even if that were the case, everything else I said stands. A person doing an honest investigation would look at evidence, and not weave together rationalizations. Words can be made to say anything, and emotions lie to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 05:25 AM
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This post is basically a denial of the 80-20 rule, which has a lot of supporting evidence. If you wanted to seriously take on this issue, youd take on the evidence rather than weaving together a bunch of rationalizations and word definitions to paint the picture of the world you want to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:40 AM
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Hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 07:22 PM
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autism spectrum traits predict higher social psychological skill
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 10:58 PM
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That's one possibility, but you never bothered to ask me what I meant by male communication before you reached that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 10:55 PM
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Since you've said that you don't understand why I brought it up, I have to ask, did you attempt to figure it out? I don't see any questions in what you just said, which suggests to me: (1) you didn't, and (2) you aren't interested in doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 10:52 PM
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You seem to have forgot about autistics, (2% of the population.) I don't use body language, tone, etc. (At least not consciously.)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 08:38 PM
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Yep. Ironically, studies show autistics understand group social behaviors better than nonautistics. Researchers attribute that to us being better at systemizing, but I think another part of it is having to learn about others. By contrast, almost nobody has to learn how autistics work, we're just assumed to be broken, like how OP assumes that men are defective women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 08:28 PM
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"Guys aren't good at picking up social cues." All non-autistics tend to communicate fairly indirectly, with secret signals and inferences, never actually saying what they mean. But women do it the most, while men do something different. (Notice, different, not worse.) Using your form of communication to speak to me, knowing that i'm not as proficient at it, is like trying to speak Spanish to someone you know doesn't hablo Español, and then saying they're bad at language. At least half of that pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 04:51 PM
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Hypergamy gives women "higher standards." Women are hypergamous because humans are evolved animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 03:37 AM
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'Who he is" is the important part. Does she get to decide who he is? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 08:23 PM
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"Framing" can screw us up. While everything you said is true, a woman's chance of being murdered by a man, in the first world, is almost the same as her chances of being struck by lightning. When it comes to injuries, you're not looking at violence more broadly, you're only looking at (physical) injuries, which is unsurprising considering one sex is physically stronger. Iirc the majority of domestic violence is non-reciprocal, and 70% of that is women attacking men. Another interesting vantage p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 04:09 PM
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More capable of being overpowered, maybe. The majority of violence is men hurting men. Unless you're looking at domestic violence, statistically, most of that is women hurting men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 01:46 PM
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I find myself attempting to strike up conversations and relationships with women who are far beneath my league, so I can relate. If there's a difference, it's that even the people who I try and settle for will often reject me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:40 AM
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Abundance can ruin a person's perspective. It's only when the abundance is taken away that reality starts to set in.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 10:31 PM
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Sounds reasonable. But if I couldn't be funny/interesting/etc online with unlimited prep time, and with the ability to hide my body language, how would it be any different or better offline? Seems like moving from a lower difficulty level to a much higher one. So you'd want to practice on the lower difficulty first, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 09:41 PM
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What's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 09:18 PM
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What makes you think being unable to do one would mean I could do the other? (I.e. isn't online a lower bar?)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:49 PM
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What makes you think not being able to do one would mean I could do the other better?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:47 PM
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I spent 10 years trying (and failing) to make friends on the internet. Ten years attempting to refine and practice social skills. I'm very, very slightly better than I was at the start; but the difference is almost invisible to the outside world. So we have to stop and ask why my social skills were so low to begin with, and why they don't seem to improve with effort. Because without answering those questions, presenting the revelation "develop more social skills" is right up there with "pull you…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:12 PM
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Asking people what they believe is one of the worst ways to find out. Most people lack the self honesty to know the answers. Good example is a belief in God. The number of people who claim they believe in God is in the billions, but if you look at the behavior of those people, you can tell most of them (99.9%) are just lying to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 04:24 PM
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Having anyone give a shit about you. Homelessness might be a good example. Are you more likely to give $5 to a homeless broad or a dude? Easy experiment to run, I'd hypothesize that the woman comes out a mile ahead. And that's a trajectory that exists in more domains than homelessness. Both women and men, on average, have strong biases that favor women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 03:41 PM
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If that fact has advantages, it could be characterized as privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 03:34 PM
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The Pareto Principle (80/20 rule) follows many natural phenomena. In the realm of sexual selection, it's essentially a generalization that claims 80% of men will be unattractive to women, which is something the data supports pretty well. As for its various implications, those vary widely. For instance, the fact more than 20% of men get married seems to indicate that many women are willing to settle for a man who they don't find particularly attractive. So just because you're in the 80% doesn't m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 03:21 PM
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"Not all" reveals you don't understand what a generalization is. Generalizations can be true. I.e. Men are taller than women. The fact you can find one man who's shorter than one woman doesn't make the generalization false.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 02:32 PM
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That's a difference the women of FDS haven't learned, thus the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 02:24 PM
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It's basically the same reason millionaires don't like the inheritance tax. Psychological reactance. We don't like things that take away power from us. Porn has a negative influence on their power.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 02:13 PM
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Sounds unsympathetic. How do you know they didn't try really hard on their profile, and what you see is their best effort? Do you expect a person to have unlimited control over what interests them? Id agree that blaming others is not the way to go, but that does appear to be what you're doing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:49 AM
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Reducing everything to binaries is a means of preventing yourself from seeing the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 08:08 PM
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Collagen decay affects 100% of humans. You're looking for exceptions in an attempt to not see the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 07:09 PM
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Hm. Technically you can reproduce, yeah. But you could view attractiveness as increasing the probability of that happening, and you can view fertility as having correlations with attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 07:04 PM
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A lot of it boils down to things like priming and social proof. If you see a guy who is unmarried at 40, your mind is going to combine the lack of social proof with some priming and end up looking to see a loser. And when you're looking to see that, that is what you'll see.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 07:01 PM
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Iirc, the collagen in our skin loses elasticity at different rates for men vs women. And biologically speaking, you'd expect our attractiveness to align with our fertility, like it does in basically every species I'm aware of. Examining your subjective experience of these phenomena isn't the best way to understand them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 06:58 PM
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Bar fights tend to be the result of a person who feels uncertain about their status seeking out a way to bolster it. Has more to do with suffering losses in life than anything. Thats testosterone. It goes way up after you lose face.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 02:35 PM
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If you want to try fasting, then your experience of that suffering is different from someone who can't eat because they're broke. Because one is on purpouse. So it goes with relationships. Being alone isn't that bad, (perhaps unless you're extroverted), but its much worse when it's involuntary. Learning to be happy being alone is fantastic advice, but giving that advice to men who are involuntarily alone is like telling the person who can't afford to eat that they're lucky because they get to tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 02:23 PM
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Men make more because they work more, and pile themselves into higher paying fields more. For most fields, the gender gap shrinks into almost nothing when you start to control for factors like hours worked and career track. And that will never change. Men are driven by status to a higher degree than women. If men and women ever earned the exact same, it would be a strong indication the system had become seriously biased against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 01:47 PM
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If I recall correctly, humility is under the umbrella of agreeableness in the Factor 5 model of personality (the best supported theory in psychology), but some people have argued for a new model called HEXACO, which is the original OCEAN model with a new sixth dimension, honesty-humilty. Google HEXACO for studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 04:54 AM
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Potentially. If I were banking on which traits are most valuable for human advancement, I'd probably bet on humility ahead of IQ. I might also bet against pretty people, that could feasibly have a negative impact on humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 04:45 AM
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Your understanding of LVM seems... a little weird. There are men who aren't necessarily horrible trash, but still aren't HVM. You seem to have erased any sense of middle ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 03:19 AM
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I'd want to call it gender solipsism, but yeah, it seems like a large part of the issue. As an autistic dude, my default state of being is assuming everyone else works roughly like I do. The one and only way you learn to fix that is ramming your head into your own failures, over and over. That or perhaps some spiritual practices.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 03:15 AM
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Women having a hard time probably started with the invention of agriculture, meaning probably not recently enough to have had a major impact on human evolution. But yes, there are probably biological mechanisms that do roughly the thing you say is happening, just not necessarily for the reasons you've stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 03:11 AM
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Outside of religion, marriage is just a stupid government contract that you shouldn't sign. Friends will backstab you for as little as a couple thousand bucks. When there's more on the line, you can get fucked pretty badly. And it can happen for reasons entirely outside your control. Leave it to religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 01:45 AM
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If I wanted to define genius, I'd say it's the capacity to be puzzled by what seems obvious to everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 05:01 PM
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It's a high bar for me. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 03:09 PM
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Kinda sounds like you're making OPs case for him. You've pointed out guys need strong social skills, that's already a higher bar than the one set for ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 02:57 PM
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"Wasting time and not making anything out of thenselves." Sounds like imperfections that only exist in your sight. In my sight, people who race around wretchedly attempting to build something for the sake of their ego are the ones who need help. People who dress nicely for others are the ones who need help.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:55 PM
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The fierce competition is a large part of the reason why I've made a life policy to never chase women. ESPECIALLY women who are used to being chased. Unlimited validation will ruin a person mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 05:24 AM
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People greatly overgeneralize from their own experience. So "just be yourself" and all that horsepoop is the result of a strategy that worked for someone else. Its just that those people are extremely low IQ to think what worked for you will work across the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 05:04 AM
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I wouldn't suggest that. Faith is a belief that bad luck does not exist. Side note, if you wanted to determine if your characterization of someone else's position was accurate or not, ask whether they would agree with what you believe it is. If they wouldn't, that's a strong indication you don't understand what you're disagreeing with. And at that point, it's worth dwelling on why you arrived at disagreement rather than understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 04:40 AM
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If you examine the major world religions, you'll find one thing thats consistently considered a virtue is humility, (meaning the degree to which a person has the need to see themselves as better than others.) Its often considered a cardinal virtue; perhaps the most important thing for a person to have a healthy mind. And if you examine people who have soft lives, you'll generally find an absence of humility. Don't be jealous of people with apparently good fortunes, and don't be jealous of evil p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 03:49 AM
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Good faith / trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 09:32 PM
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OP, you seem to think that prettier people breeding more means strengthening the gene pool, but you're also filling it with dark triad traits etc etc. When you prioritize pretty guy over guy with 145 IQ, that doesn't sound like a stronger gene pool to me, it just sounds like a prettier one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 02:14 PM
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Except autistics. Have studies that show we don't give a shit what other people think from the age of 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 02:03 PM
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The women of FDS try and become the man they want to date. So look at how wretched those people are and imagine the male version, that's a bad boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 07:55 PM
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I'd say anyone who works for a wage is a slave, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 07:36 PM
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I'm a fan of virtue ethics, meaning I believe virtue is inherently rewarding and lacking it is inherently punishing. If you doubt virtue ethics, try climbing inside the mind of a person who lacks virtue, you'll find it's pretty miserable in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 05:25 PM
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If you went and talked to someone who had a stroke, you'd find the faithless person would probably have been made miserable by their experience. You might find the faithful person, though, say that the experience made them happier. If it actually did make that person happier, for realz, then would you call that wishful thinking or something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 05:22 PM
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Prostitutes are being coerced, too, yes. So are most people in the labor market.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 10:47 PM
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I'd say most porn is rape loosely disguised, meaning it's only taking place because of economic coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 10:02 PM
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Personally I find transactional sex very gross. But yes, most humans don't seem to agree with me on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 08:19 PM
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Personally I'm a fan of 'faith.' Meaning a belief that there's nothing but good luck, everything that happens to me is a blessing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 07:10 PM
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If you let even a tiny bit of that dissapointment seep inside you, suddenly you smell like desperation, and youre potentially stuck in that loop for the rest of your life. I'm someone whos fiercely independent, very strong-minded, deeply persistent, and still the rejection took a toll on my self image. And thats when a bunch of people on the internet come along to tell me it's all my fault, which I believe is true, but it really sucks to hear from others. They're not trying to fix me, they're tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 01:22 AM
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Does spending 10 years trying to make friends sound like giving up on self improvement? :] I'm sure dating is hard for you. But some people have it harder. There's always a bigger fish. So have gratitude for what you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 12:02 AM
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Buddhists do this interesting thing where they dwell on the destruction and decay of the body (see: Tibetan sky funerals.) Truth is very unpleasant to humans, but if you stick with it, it's also very liberating. Eventually. But you have to stick with it. At the end of the rainbow, you find that happiness itself isn't worth anything. All you need is truth. Yes, truth is a fire that will burn you into cinders. But those without truth are the ones who will be burned worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:11 PM
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Not sure if you're intentionally missing the point, but it does seem that way. No offense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:05 PM
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China's male-female ratio dropped by a tiny amount, 30 million women removed basically in a society of a billion, and that is believed to have caused an enormous leap in the murder rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 08:19 PM
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Let's see if you think that's true when the murder rate goes up 20% because of all the unmarried men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 02:26 PM
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That's one possibility. Another possibility is your subconscious made a decision and a few moments later, that decision bubbled up into your conscious awareness in the form of a thought. But the decision was made before you realized it. If that were the case, you'd be taking credit for what was actually an automatic process, giving you a skewed sense of agency that exists in line with whats called psychological reactance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 01:35 AM
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There are different selection pressures on different elements of the species. Species-level pressures aren't the same as the selection pressures facing individuals. For instance, if altruism develops in a species, there might also develop "free riders", creatures with genes that try to take advantage of others altruism without returning in kind. In humans, examples might include psychopaths or sociopaths. Homosexuality is very common, but those are genes that should be selected against on accoun…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 12:52 AM
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I appreciate the sources. The truth is, my life has made me see biological determinism as obvious. Of course, our genetic expression is also shaped by our experiences, but if you abstract environment into just another form of genetics, then you end up with the same picture. As is always the case, it's important to examine the motivations behind a belief. In my case, I need to be cautious about overgeneralizing from my experience, about being eager to give-up responsibility for myself, or about f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 11:26 PM
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My mother was a real piece of work. I'm pretty confident that her bad example helped push me in the right direction rather than the wrong one. She wanted to be an authoritarian parent to a subservient, obedient child. But her every instance of crazy behavior stood out to me as unusual even from a young age. That's because my own biological disposition was very much not the things she wanted me to be. There's no fighting nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 11:13 PM
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An "evil" person lives inside a mind that tortures itself. They'll suffer horribly with every minor roadbump life throws at them. Like the Bible says, don't worry about evil people. By contrast, a "good" person can enjoy a positive mental space that persists through unpleasant material conditions. So worry only about becoming a more moral person. Guarantee you that there are more than one or two homeless individuals who are objectively happier than any billionaire. I find that peaceful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 10:34 PM
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Agree, women are extremely good at sniffing that stuff out. With maybe one noteworthy exception, I'd guess (but do not know for sure) that women are especially awful at reading autistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 09:17 PM
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If you're a "good person" and you behave that way, when you interact with people who don't share your qualities, they'll see you as being disingenuous. I'm quite positive when Donald Trump looks at a "good person", he sees someone running a scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 07:39 PM
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You cant meaningfully separate genes and environment, the two play off each other. If you don't think there are genes that make you delusional, do you think personality disorders are at least partially genetic? Personality is supposed to be about 75% heritable, and I'd think traits like humility would affect whether a person is delusional or not. Another one that comes to mind is tolerance for ambiguity, which is heritable, and will predispose a person to certain ideas while rejecting others. yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 06:47 PM
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I'm a guy who has options, but I choose to present myself to the world as someone who has few options. People treat me in accordance with how I present myself, not how I am. So I'd say a "high value man" is someone who presents themselves as an HVM, not necessarily someone who is or even believes themselves to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 06:43 PM
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Identify yourself as someone who's struggling with dating and others will be primed for seeing creepy behaviors in you, even if they don't exist. They'll be straining themselves to spot those behaviors, reading into shit, etc. Setting yourself up for rejection and bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 06:29 PM
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Works both ways. If you exercise sarcasm and someone else doesn't pick up on it, you look like a monster. Which means the root of the issue here isn't an ability to identify sarcasm, it's an ability to exercise social skills that approximate those of the person you're interacting with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 04:43 PM
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"Nice guys aren't truly nice, so they fail", sounds like a manifestation of the just world hypothesis. The world is full of intelligent, hard working, moral people who eat shit on a daily basis. Evolution tends to favor people who have a delusional, over-inflated self image. If anything, truly moral behavior will tend to weed you out of the gene pool because it tends to be selfless behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 04:37 PM
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I'm a hermit, Ive created a life around avoiding human contact. These days, im even keeping all my teammates muted in games. Have exactly one female friend, but I'm going to cut her out of my e-life because she doesn't actually like me, and my desire to change that throws me off balance. Have been a hermit for about ten years now, lots of good self-work done in that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 03:14 PM
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My brain is wired to crave female attention. If I'm playing a multi-player videogame and a female voice starts speaking, my interest in spending time around that person increases by 200%. She'd have to be a real piece of crap for that to change. It's like an enormous friendship handicap, one where I'm more willing to put up with nonsense and care less about actual compatibility. Like most men, I'm also wired to favor women above men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 02:36 PM
2

Suppose there's nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 02:22 PM
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If you're remotely attractive, all your male friends would sleep with you given the opportunity. That makes having "real" male friends harder because they all carry an incentive that's inherently not platonic. I'll try to make friends with women who I would never make friends with if they were men, not in a million years. Nothing machevellian about it, that's just instinct running its course. Personally, have never, ever had a woman try to befriend me for purely platonic reasons. Who befriended …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 02:00 PM
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Good pt
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 02:54 AM
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What's the difference between internal ugliness and external ugliness? Do you believe only the external is the result of genetics meeting environment? Is personality infinitely flexible and chosen by an actor, or is it no different from our height?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 01:19 AM
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Humility is a heritable personality trait. People high in humility are not motivated to see themselves as better than other people. Men in the top 20% won't necessarily present themselves as being better than others, nor will they necessarily gain confidence. In fact, to those who are low in humility, high humility men would probably come across as desperate, LVM, etc. Take it from me, an extremely happy, content, well adjusted, fairly achieved person... who happens to be in the 80th percentile …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 01:14 AM
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The pill your kid swallows will depend on their ability to tolerate uncomfortable truths, which is largely genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 12:35 AM
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100% of people think they lack preconceptions. Have you investigated the evidence behind RP ideas? If not, you're jumping the gun with the question. If so, you've developed enough preconceived notions to ask what you've asked. Either way, a person cannot hide their lack of impartiality. Well, they can hide it from themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 12:17 AM
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Sounds like some Fruedian nonsense to think a bad relationship with one person would impact your view of an entire gender. Sometimes a racist is created out of a single bad intetaction, but thats usually remedied with future interactions. (Or it never takes place because you already had positive interactions with that race before having a negative one.) People almost always operate based on motivated reasoning, so guessing that people arrive at RP based on bitterness is a reasonable hypothesis. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 12:08 AM
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You're looking to find a "right" answer, which is missing the point. The point is you might experience a gap between the actual answers provided by each gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 08:21 PM
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Writer (entirely at home, almost zero human contact) and trading stocks (entirely at home, absolutely zero human contact.) Eventually plan on quitting the writing to become even more of a hermit. But my life is amazing. Struggling taught me to be comfortable with negative feelings. If there's a niche for weirdos like me, there's a niche for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 06:39 PM
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My mom was a SAHM. And when she left my dad, she behaved like a trash-person in every imaginable way. Never worked a day in her life, (was never much of a parent either), but had intense entitlement. To this day, she maintains my dad (who paid for her, his two kids, and a previous kid from her last marriage) was lazy. She seemed to genuinely believe that life owed her a free pass simply for shitting out some kids decades ago. You do you -- but my life experience tells me to stay away from SAHMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 06:26 PM
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Yeah, absorbing red pill stuff has been wildly educational for me. Not sure how useful I've made it, but its terribly interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 05:32 PM
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1st percentile extraversion (meaning very, very introverted) + autism-adhd. I tend to get along with schizoid ppl and others who aren't neurotypical.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 05:30 PM
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People trying to maintain an image, ew. People "vibing" with phatic communication, ew. That describes 95% of human interactions. When my GF drags me out to visit a friend/family member, ill find a place to stand quietly away from the humans. Id rather stare at a bush than talk to nearly anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 03:56 PM
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Sounds like my life. Im 6'2 and I've got attention from women who are a solid 9/10. But calling my social skills abysmal wouldn't be enough. I struggle to maintain platonic friends, family relationships, employer relations, etc. Hell, I spent 10 years trying (and failing) to make friends online. If I can't swing a casual acquaintance, being pretty isn't going to close the gap for more serious relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 03:07 PM
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Underestimate sry, still in bed lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:21 PM
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Ive grown to find human interactions mostly disgusting. Well, maybe grown is the wrong way of putting it, since i was pretty loathsome of them when I was younger as well. Would my life improve with conversation skills? Probably. But that's ignoring why I don't have them to begin with, and treating it like an item I forgot to pickup from the grocery.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:15 PM
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Personally, I could get many first dates for being cute, sometimes even leading to sex. But going past the first date was terribly hard without social skills. I'd usually do something that horribly offended the other person without seeing it coming or even understanding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:12 PM
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People grossly underestimate the value of basic neurotypical social skills because NTs get them for free while autistics work overtime to develop them and still end up doing a poor job for factors entirely outside their control, like subconscious body language.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:10 PM
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Many women seem to have very high expectations when it comes to texting interactions. They seem to expect me to be on-point, perpetually engaging, perpetually leading the conversation somewhere, perpetually entertaining them. Meanwhile they are everything they don't want to interact with, and horribly unrewarding to talk to. Because if I'm not carrying the conversation, they'll find someone else who will. Those interactions are why I gave up OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:01 PM
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I've tried trying hard and I've tried not trying, both produced the same results (for me.)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:56 PM
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Are there limits to the types of behaviors that can be socialized? In other words, could we make women attracted to short, poor, timid men? Or are there biological constraints that guide and inform the types of socialization that occurs in relation to associated environmental factors?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 05:07 AM
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If you asked me if I wanted to leave my gf for a woman who earns twice as much and is otherwise identical, id say no. It would be interesting to see how many women would leap at the prospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:27 AM
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True generalizations exist. But yeah, humans are extremely bad at understanding them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:23 AM
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Studies show that within 2-4 seconds of interacting, a nonautistic person has decided they want nothing to do with me. That tracks in my experience. I'm a fairly content person, but that is not always how others perceive me. People OFTEN read my honesty (etc) as desperation or insecurity. Because they have no clue how to read autistics, and every instinct in their body is constantly feeding them incorrect information. The Quran tells us all good comes from God and all the evil we suffer comes fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:05 AM
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OPs experience aligns with mine. I've got a submissive-ish personality, makes my cuteness count for very little.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 05:10 PM
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Most people are cowards & liars. So if I cared about how most people behave, I wouldn't be capable of caring about what's right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 06:22 PM
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Cheating never acceptable. If I were a woman, I'd probably wait for marriage. Guys who couldn't hang with that should drop off, not hang on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 06:15 PM
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In my opinion, the people who practice ghosting will never be able to give an objective response to these questions. They're invested in seeing the behavior in a positive light because they practice it. With that said, in nearly all cases, I believe people practice ghosting because they're cowards. And most people are cowards. We shouldn't think of it like, "I don't owe that person xyz." We should think of it like: "what kind of person does this behavior make me?" I've been ghosted for being awk…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 06:06 PM
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Maybe Im old fashioned, but I'm on board with OP. The one and only time I saw a girl who was multidating, it killed my interest in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 05:58 PM
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Being self-possessed, assured, confident, those traits have overlap with being a jerk. But you don't need to be a jerk to be assured, confident, or self-possessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 04:50 AM
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Sounds like the bottom 50% of women aren't doing well and the bottom 90% of men aren't doing well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 02:09 AM
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If you think being a whore is how you live a good life, id say you've got an immature perspective. But an understandable one, most people seem to believe that the best life is being a tyrant and getting away with it. Totally unrestrained appetites = winning. If you look at those rock stars a little more closely, I think you'll find people who are far closer to suicide than you or I.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 01:29 AM
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There are levels of powerlessness, it's hard to know when you're on the bottom. For instance, if youve had people who strung you along, thats a step higher than people who can't even get fake interest out of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 10:00 PM
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This thread seems aimed towards people who are capable of getting dates to begin with. The real frustration comes from people who aren't. Men and women will never see eye to eye, that would require a high level understanding of the other sex, which is something the average person will never develop.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 09:42 PM
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There are reasons to support local businesses in the face of Amazon. If you'd like to see what those reasons look like, visit Detroit and then ask if you're going to be alive in 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 08:59 PM
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There's probably a correlation between a variety of personality traits and promiscuous behavior. Just offhand, id expect extraversion to increase n-count. Since female personalities are varied, it's a bit silly to think they'd all end up with similar outcomes. But yes, the girls doing 50+ aren't going to admit to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:15 AM
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Suppose I can only speak for myself, but to me, the number of friends my gf has means less than nothing to me. It's about as much of a consideration as whether or not she can peel an onion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 01:06 AM
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It's counter-productive to reduce others to make yourself bigger. The only person who's truly reduced by hate is the person expressing it. You're already quite big, in my eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 11:04 PM
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Entirely agree that people will be more forgiving etc. But you're still assuming a relatively high baseline level of social skills. If you have zero social skills, like actually close to zero, it will matter very little how forgiving people are. A non-verbal attractive person will do better than an unattractive nonverbal person, but the difference in lived experience might be slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 10:08 PM
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You're correct that social proof works on both sexs, but only women use it in their reproductive decisions. Having friends is almost synonymous with having status.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 07:44 PM
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Zero within 500 miles of me for at least the last decade. I'm an autistic hermit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 07:19 PM
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Because men evolved to care about paternity assurance. Same reason (most) women will look at me like I'm trash for not having enough friends etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 07:10 PM
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Being attractive is only valuable if you've got social skills behind it, but yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 06:43 PM
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Ladies feel a much higher need to present themselves as attractive. I can walk around looking homeless because I genuinely don't give a shit. But yes, OP is completely correct. Humans make snap judgements about a person based on things like how they're dressed, and we're prejudiced in favor of people who look put together. When a conman comes to grandma's door looking to take her money, he's wearing a nice suit with lifts in his shoes. Apart from dressing nicely, people also make those kind of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 03:10 PM
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Anyone who's a target of manipulation will have to learn those things. I've caught a glimpse of the level of dedicated manipulation that gets directed towards cute women, it's grim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 01:42 PM
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Sometimes you can tell a poster isn't autistic because they don't understand how generalizations or statistics work. "My dad smoked and didn't get cancer, so smoking isn't harmful."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 01:38 PM
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There's more to life than socializing. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 10:03 PM
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No wonder I like them so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 08:37 PM
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Hard to say if it's worse to be successful in killing yourself or having suicidal thoughts more frequently and living. Values are tricky, too. I wouldn't want to be a non-autistic person, even though there are good reasons our suicide rate is insanely high.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 07:59 PM
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The problem with you rating me is I've self identified as LVM while disagreeing with you. Research shows women will rate a man as a 6 before seeing his income is six figures, then suddenly he becomes a 9. That works in reverse, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 10:19 PM
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If you wanted to measure what grass was greenest, you might look at life expectancy or the rate of suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 09:41 PM
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Advaita Vedanta (hinduism.) To borrow a rap line, "you can't cook reality and BS in the same skillet." Meaning, there is no way to compartmentalize lying. It corrodes courage, weakens discipline, and lays the groundwork for self-deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:57 AM
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I can tell you're a woman because women are unaware of the enormous attention gap between the sexes. Many can't imagine it, others are unwilling to believe it. (Side note, I don't think HVM and 8 are the same thing. I'm at least an 8, but I'm also widely considered low value.)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:26 AM
2

Where did "male entitlement" come from? Was it learned in school? Did it come out of a genetic disposition?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:01 AM
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My spiritual practice forbids lying, even "white" lies. It's extremely challenging and it carries a high cost, because telling the truth is anti-social behavior most of the time. But there's an even higher cost to being a liar, it's just one we're usually unaware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:57 AM
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Men & women live in different universes. A woman who's a 5 will get more attention in life than a man who's an 8. And couldn't tell you which sex handles seclusion better, but its probably women. Apples and oranges.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 11:29 PM
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A while back I started flirting with a friend (f) who's maybe 2-3 points lower than me (out of 10.) Eventually it became obvious even though she was at least somewhat attracted, she didn't see my attention as special at all. That tells you she's probably got guys who are 2-3 pts higher giving her attention on a regular basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 08:21 PM
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》Look at the # of young men not having sex to determine if there's a growing social problem. 》Look at the red pill / blue pull metaphor. Most humans choose to take the delusions of the blue pill because they don't want to see reality, which can be quite ugly to the ego. If MOST people didn't hate and reject TRP, it wouldn't be TRP. Citing it's unpopularity as meaningful is missing the point by a mile.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 02:27 PM
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I've got an obsession with understanding human behavior. TRP is a great source of data. Recently drove away a girl because I was honest / vulnerable in a way that prevented her from admiring me. I don't actually use TRP to change my behavior -- ill keep being me because I like myself. But I like understanding things, and TRP has a better read on women than anything else I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:43 PM
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Said strike, not kill. You don't like what was written so your brain is working overtime to misunderstand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:19 AM
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You've got strong confirmation bias, i.e. you aren't attempting to see other points of view, only confirm the one you already have. It takes a lot of cognitive empathy to do otherwise, which is something a person usually develops by suffering. With that said, go to hell. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:17 AM
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I chose to have poor social skills? Hm. That's a shame, things would've been much easier if I hadn't decided to be born an autistic introvert.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 11:47 PM
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Lots of women hit on me in high school and college, I wasn't socially aware enough to identify it or act on it. In other words, I was too inept. More or less the same today. Plenty of women find me cute, but that does fuck all for me because my social skills are nil.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 11:41 PM
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Stuff you'd never think of. Too much eye contact, too little eye contact -- subconscious body language. That kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 10:56 PM
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The probability of a woman getting murdered by a man, in the first world, is slightly higher than her chances of being struck by lightning. Protect yourself, sure. But women are wired in a way that can gravely overestimate potential danger. Can't tell you how many times I've red-flagged myself in the eyes of some woman because my (actually autistic) dumbass did something marginally atypical.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 10:13 PM
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I'm 34, I've had maybe one purely platonic female friend. Women want nothing to do with me, not even in a friendship capacity. Could be because I've got nothing to offer them. Because I'm not a reprehensible person, perhaps a little introverted and boring, but I've had at least 5 male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:52 PM
2

Love for oneself that comes at the expense of one's neighbor, Dantes definition of pride.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:27 PM
1

That's about 4% of my annual expenses, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:02 PM
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I've never paid more than $20-30 for food, and I can't imagine myself going higher than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 01:29 PM
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My mom doesn't like me, owing to a personality disorder that left her without empathy. Think you're mistaken to believe your analysis applies only to women. People treat others as tools almost universally, the few exceptions are Jesus-like figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:34 AM
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I'm extremely good at seeing through people. Its very difficult to lie to me. So if I was in a "sugar dating" arrangement, I'd be fully aware of how little she was into me. It would be transparent, which would be off-putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:11 AM
2

Look at rich-famous short people and answer your own question by determining if they're in relationships or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:20 AM
4

Personally, Ive never wanted kids. Knew it from the age of 12, haven't changed my mind in the 23 years since. My sex drive is also very weak compared to nonautistics. But everyone's different. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 12:16 AM
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"I'm gonna die so I wanted to have fun", have also seen this line used by obese people who lack discipline and don't want to change. Hell, I'm a person who isn't strongly motivated to become rich or make friends. People will judge me for that, I've got to learn to live with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 11:00 PM
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Personally, I'm a fan of MGTOW. If you hate the game, play a new one. Forget "leveling up", forget doing anything for the approval or disapproval of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 10:28 PM
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Find it interesting that the people who are motivated to go for those high-earning jobs are often doing it for sex, belongingness, or something similar. Have a female friend who's earning around 150k and she's trying desperately to go higher. Think she's mostly motivated by lifestyle, she wants to be able to spend $500 on stupid bullshit all the time. Based on the TV she watches, I strongly suspect she wants to feel superior to others, and to achieve that through $.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 06:57 PM
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As an autistic person, my job prospects are the only thing worse than my relationship prospects. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 04:00 AM
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Somewhat tangential, but do you think people who dress poorly have poor self esteem? My intuition is that a person who is motivated to dress nicely is someone who's held prisoner to the perceptions of others, i.e. it shows negative self esteem. Similar for people high in power. They end up being possessed by their power rather than possessing it, if that makes sense at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 09:39 PM
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Mostly yes. Fame is perhaps the most powerful form of "social proof." At the same time, you'd increase the number of women who were interested in you for the wrong reasons, so you'd generate some new problems. But solve most? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 09:19 PM
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Sounds very reasonable. I regard myself as valuable, others don't. Of course, their opinions aren't relevant because its foolish to care about the perceptions of foolish people. But it doesn't change the fact their perceptions of me are usually low. Seems like dressing nicely etc would mean you cared about the perceptions of others, no? I tend to dress poorly because others perceptions largely aren't relevant to me, suppose that makes me crazy. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 07:58 PM
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I'm modestly skeptical of that definition. Because I've got an outlook on myself that would sound borderline narcissistic if I were to describe it, but I'm pretty confident most women would regard me as low value. Seems like you're thinking that a person who values themselves highly will do certain things (dress nicely, strive to earn lots of $, etc), but thats not necessarily the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 07:43 PM
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Sounds reasonable. I'm sure billionaires get used to flying on fancy jets and the special appeal disappears as it just becomes another fact of life, an expectation. That ought to be true for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 07:39 PM
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I'm a spiritual seeker, studying scripture from various religions and attempting to practice them to better myself. I'm also spending 30 hours a week studying the stock market as part of some career aspirations. Does that mean I've got goals and strive towards them? Because as a reasonably peaceful person, I'd like to believe my 'emotional intelligence' is above average. With that said, I'm also completely unable to keep the attention of women, even the ones who share several of my interests. Mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 07:28 PM
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I'd agree with you. The Quran tells us all good comes from God and all the evil we suffer comes from ourselves, that's something I firmly believe. And I'd regard myself as a content person, but its also the case that people don't want to spend time around me. Might be related to being autistic. Thanks for your input.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 05:11 PM
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Whats some advice that women would give for attracting women in general? The last time I asked someone, she told me some variation of "be happy and people will be attracted to that", which doesn't strike me as being very useful. Neither does any of its other variations like "take care of yourself."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 04:11 PM
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My understanding is it takes humility to see what they have to offer. Humility is something most people are severely lacking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 01:56 PM
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Hm, I'd agree about society, since I'm a misanthrope. But I wouldn't agree about the religious bit. I've found immense value in every religion I've studied. The evil you see in them, I see it in people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 01:19 AM
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Personally I don't believe in luck. I'm a determinist. Events happening now were decided billions of years before we were born. Or to put that into theistic language, God has all control.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 11:18 PM
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If you talk to a "self made" millionaire about your money problems, there's a damn good chance they'd say: "you should just become a millionaire." People who "win" in life want desperately to take credit for it. They want to be oblivious to their own good luck. We're just as motivated to see those who "lose" as deserving of it, thus victim blaming. But more than that, if they didn't deserve the loss, it would mean you couldn't take credit for the win. The Bible calls this pride.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 10:11 PM
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If your woman slips, gets a scar on her face, and you leave her... then you're a very weak person, and she's way better off without you. You might think you're trading up, but your character will take a hit that will follow you to your deathbed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:47 PM
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Sounds like a rationalization to act like an immoral monster, unless you're someone who prescribes to virtue ethics (i.e. you think being a jerk is inherently punishing.)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:43 PM
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I had unlimited access to porn 20 years ago. So if the effect didn't take place decades ago, why would it take place with decades of delay?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 05:26 PM
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Can't tell you if I'm in the top 20% or the bottom 20%. I'm 6'2 with an IQ around 125. I've got a passable resemblance to Ezra Miller, or one of the Jonas brothers. I'm far from rich, but I've got about 60k in the bank, so I'm in a better financial position than most. However, some people consider me in the bottom 20% because I'm autistic. I've got weak social skills and I don't participate in any social hierarchies, which means the people who do will assign me to the lowest position. Dating was…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 09:07 PM
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On dating apps like Tinder, most men are competing over the bottom 20% of women. So the competition for that bracket is already fierce.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 08:39 PM
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Ye, I'm autistic myself. Not sure I've seen an above average number of us around TRP, but thats just my finite xp. Thanks for your input.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 06:31 PM
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Any idea what was abnormal about their socialization, or the prevalence of abnormal socialization?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 06:10 PM
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How'd those men end up being well adjusted to start with, as opposed to undergoing some kind of RP journey?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 04:02 PM
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Aut here. Studies show that within 2-4 seconds of interaction, NTs decide they want nothing to do with me, based not on the content of my speech but its style. So the biggest barrier wil always be NT prejudice. I'm cute irl, so getting first dates was somewhat easy for me. But sound sensitivity issues mean I can't really "go out", though. It's hard enough to socialize under ideal conditions, make it noisy and my brain turns off. Getting women to meet you in quiet places can be hard for obvious r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 03:00 PM
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Autistic person here. Being unsuccessful @ dating made me miserable for years. But I haven't attempted dating in about a decade, and I'd self-rate my happiness as greater than any billionaire or playboy. Do others regard me as unsuccessful? Certainly. That's their cross to bear, not mine. Is this outcome common? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 02:43 PM
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Sounds like over generalizing. There are RP guys who are basically the equivalent of the women of femaledatingstrategy, yes. But saying that's all of them is insanity. Blaming trp for what would've been their behavior anyway is also an issue. People didn't learn to objectify women, that came naturally to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 02:09 PM
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I'm an autistic person, I wasn't born with the same social skills as NTs. Had to develop them. If I can do it decently, then nonautistics who are wired for it can manage. But learning them can be tougher when you've got emotional problems, which can exist when you've had tough time socializing. Its a feedback loop. Bad at socialization -> fewer interactions -> stay bad at socialization. And nobody wants to help you, they all just avoid ya
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 01:52 PM
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The question is whether you'd have cut contact if they hadn't been RP to begin with. My guess is yes, because something pushed them in that direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 01:37 PM
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Personality is more than 70% heritable genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 01:25 PM
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Poor example. Autistics have weak central coherence, meaning a detail oriented cognition as opposed to throwing things into baskets/categories. You're describing non-autistic cognition but calling it autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 04:29 PM
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Because hotness outweighs all other factors? Sounds right.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 04:24 PM
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That rich people and poors self segregate?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 04:17 PM
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I'll just head down to the passions store and pick one up. :]
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 02:57 PM
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OP, as I see it, your life experience doesn't match with the claimed life xp of others. So you assume those others are lying or fools. Very reasonable. My intuition is that you're over extrapolating from your own xp. But the stats don't lie, a third of young men aren't having sex. And RP mentality comes out of that, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 02:50 PM
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Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 02:43 PM
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Actually, in the history of humanity, around 60% of men never breed. Now figure out if being rich will put you in the 40% or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 02:12 PM
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Great characterization of love-romance. Dating was mixed. Cute enough to get first dates, but awkward enough to scare off women with 🚩. I'm hard to get to know, and with sound sensitivity issues etc. Did find good relationships, credit it almost entirely to the fact I'm decently attractive. (6'2 etc. I recognize most autistic men don't have those kinds of advantages.) Recently I've been trying to flirt with a girl who I know is into me, and I feel like I just fuck it up at every opportunity, by …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 08:02 PM
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Love this message, but as an autistic, don't care for people claiming I've got a mental illness, or telling me I'm bottom barrel. I'm generally more rational and clearer thinking than non-autistics. The fact my style of communication doesn't align with theirs is a developmental difference, (one that will severely impact your ability to mate, yes), but not a deficit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 01:57 PM
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He does look aggressively average.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 01:51 PM
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The ultimate determinate of a man's social status is whether or not women like him. Most humans are wired to care deeply about their social status. It's a flaw which makes us unhappy because its foolish to care about the perceptions of fools, but learning to overcome it is far from trivial. Saints pull it off because they're able to surpass a lot of their programming, (usually as a result of enduring horrible suffering.) Gotta have mercy for the people who aren't saints and still struggling with…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 01:50 PM
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Something like a third of the men under 30 are virgins. Studies have found that within 2-4 seconds of interaction, non-autistics determine they want nothing to do with autistics, based not on the content of their speech but entirely on its presentation. Auts have fundamentally different style of communication, which can be unrewarding to non-auts. So even if you find an autistic babe and dedicate yourself to lying to get into her pants, you'll find it's a serious uphill battle. There's lots of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:40 AM
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If you're a man who isn't very interested in sex, what do women bring? The answer is nothing, not inherently, anyway. You'd have to find someone who matched your personality in valuable ways. Which is rare since most relationships seem based on sex, and often involve incompatible people brought together via economic circumstances and horniness. Take away and horniness and you see the true value of the other sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:34 AM
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The age of virginity for autistic men/women is above average. IIRC, average for aut females is around 23. That relates to having a harder time connecting to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:27 AM
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Studies have been done. Women show a big ingroup bias in favor of women. Men are also largely biased in favor of women. What appears to you like self-hate is actually reality, which is often quite ugly looking to the ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:24 AM
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Men are born without value because we evolved that way. In most species, men are the disposable sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:21 AM
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For women, the problem with cheating is emotional. (Relates to fear of abandonment.) For men, the problem relates to the sex act itself, i.e. it relates to paternity assurance. Thus men and women don't see eye to eye on the issue. I could very easily have sex with someone I don't even like, and have a lot of fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:14 AM
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I thought the top predictor of divorce was a man losing his job?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:11 AM
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"We" doesn't differentiate yourself from other women, which is OPs question.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:10 AM
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This. Prenuptial agreements aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
/r/RedPillWomen11/02/22 06:23 AM
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Interesting fact: about 2/100 people have a gifted IQ (130+), but for autistic people, the figure is actually 16/100 people. Know what those autistic geniuses are doing? Most are either unemployed or working retail for $10/hr. The best and brightest don't get the jobs, in this world. The people with connections do. Many of our best thinkers are probably homeless. Thus my indifference towards society.
/r/RedPillWomen11/02/22 03:17 AM
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Same rules apply to men & women in this case. Women usually don't want to date men who are enormous walls of muscle, like body builders. You can take the muscle too far. But as long as you don't put on 40lbs of muscle, lifting will probably only make you more attractive. One of my biggest feminine crushes has great fitness.
/r/RedPillWomen11/02/22 03:09 AM
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I don't really believe in contributing to society, and as someone who's strongly anti-capitalist, I'd say that most careers are demeaning. It's just a matter of degree. The guy getting paid $15/hr damaging their body at a warehouse is just as exploited as the woman stripping. We just don't care as much about less visceral forms of exploitation, especially if they're happening to men. The idea that some labor is 'productive' and some isn't seems like mostly nonsense to me, but again, I don't beli…
/r/RedPillWomen11/02/22 03:04 AM
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My outlook is that ignorance is suffering. For instance, in this case, "blue pill" people are bound to make bad relationship choices. Should probably feel sorry for people like this more than anything else.
/r/RedPillWomen09/02/22 06:54 AM
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Looks like you've done nothing but cite evolutionary biology and similar empirical research. The problem is that human beings, in general, aren't merely ignorant of their own nature, theyre actually willfully ignorant of it because looking at it is extremely challenging to the ego. Sexual dimorphism in particular is very challenging to our egalitarian disposition, so most people will spend their lives in an ignorant fantasy of their own making.
/r/RedPillWomen09/02/22 01:12 AM
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My mother was a person of little integrity, an alcoholic with a severe personality disorder which robbed her of empathy. She did no housework, she did no paid work, and was more or less like another child in the household. She also used my father like an ATM before disposing of him. I mention this because the idea that someone should take care of you is not always just an antiquated idea, it's occasionally a cancerous excuse to become a leech and ruin your life in the process. Her life should se…
/r/RedPillWomen09/02/22 12:48 AM
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Before I became a hermit, I spent my life in the lowest social tier. That's where autistic people like myself automatically end up, since we don't play hierarchical games, and anyone who doesn't play is instantly assigned the 'loser' tag by those who do. (Though people mostly had pity towards me rather than aggression.) From the POV of mate selection, that's usually going to make a person very ugly. Belongingness to the group, being "one of the guys", is something that female brains will intense…
/r/RedPillWomen06/02/22 01:31 AM
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I'm skeptical the fat girl is as happy as she claims, especially if she's had trouble dating. Fat comes across as poor discipline, which I'm not shaming, but isn't necessarily a good character trait for developing contentment.
/r/RedPillWomen05/02/22 10:50 PM
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This thread hurts my feelings. He doesn't have a woman's brain, so he doesn't understand female nature, and made some jokes/comments that came off badly. Splitting gifts was immediately obviously a couples action to my eyes, without having you need to explain it. But rich people and poors have different conceptions about money, specifically richer folks tend to exercise more conscientiousness in that area. I remember a rich couple that sent an invoice to some poors when their kid RSVPd but didn'…
/r/RedPillWomen04/02/22 04:34 PM
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"No one is perfect", in this case his lack of perfection is being born into a middle class family. (Lol.) Honestly sounds like the perceived imperfection only exists in the eyes of the onlooker.
/r/RedPillWomen04/02/22 04:12 PM
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Is it better to be seen as "success objects"?
/r/RedPillWomen03/02/22 10:58 PM
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I'm glad I follow both FDS and this subreddit, because when I see insane shit on FDS, I need what little faith I have in humanity restored. From what I can tell, those ladies entirely lack sympathy for any human that's man-shaped, and they're wildly materialistic. Basically a recipe for creating your own misery.
/r/RedPillWomen28/01/22 06:59 PM
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When someone takes advantage of you, that conflicts with their need to see themselves as a good person. So after we take advantage of someone, we rationalize that our victim had it coming and start to hate them. All I can say is it's always a blessing when a fake friend goes away, and you've already been rewarded by further developing your patience/kindness.
/r/RedPillWomen20/01/22 01:44 AM
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My lady makes about the same as me, (a little more.) I've got more education, do 100% of the housework, and am physically a bit more attractive. My experience suggests many people think she's dating down based on the $ alone. Some folks are very, very materialistic, which isn't conducive to good relationships. (In my view.)
/r/RedPillWomen10/01/22 06:24 PM
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