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dishwatersupper/r/MensRights28/02/21 04:00 PM
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With regards to just the situation last night (this morning) I called them intimidating because I was personally intimidated by them initially. They were essentially a group of young, loud, drunk, very casually dressed (baggy jeans and hoodies or football shirts) guys who spoke in a 'rough' accent that you would recognise as being intimidating if you're from the UK. But I was completely unjustified in my fears as they were pleasant, helpful and kind. She seemed vulnerable because she was crying …
/r/MensRights05/11/22 02:12 PM
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I am a man and have been physically and sexually attacked, hospitalised and raped. There are awful people out there. But women aren't the only victims and don't make up the vast majority of them. We all need to appreciate and protect each other equally.
/r/MensRights05/11/22 12:43 PM
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I do see what you're saying but if you think about your story the only person that was actually assaulted was yourself. Essentially the story is that your friend knew about (and had seen?) a strange man at the bus stop so you waited with her and the only time an assault took place was when you were there. That's not to invalidate your story or your fears, or the fears that anyone has of being attacked, but if we're talking real life lived experiences then that is your lived experience, not hers.…
/r/MensRights05/11/22 12:38 PM
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One of the most upsetting things is the recognition in rape cases that people freeze when forced to have sex and don't always fight back even if they could. Your mind and body don't know what to do as you are shock. This is a commonly used defense in rape and sexual assault cases against the argument "why didn't you fight back?". ​ And yet when it happens to a man it couldn't have been rape or sexual assault because he was a man and could have fought back... Even in a situation where the woman h…
/r/MensRights30/09/22 02:14 PM
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Or no one is mentioned or 'cancelled' at all until an appropriate and fair justice system can conduct a balanced investigation and all evidence and testimony is brought to a non-brainwashed (from all the public pre-trial reaction) jury to make a decision and a sensible and empathetic judge can make an accurate and fair decision. Then we decide who is innocent and who is guilty without a preemptive strike on either side.
/r/MensRights30/05/22 04:46 PM
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This advert is just a metaphor for people choosing to make life much more difficult than it really is....
/r/MensRights30/05/22 04:29 PM
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I just gave her an extra view on YouTube 😠
/r/MensRights28/05/22 01:33 PM
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Sure, if you're also learning about misandry, ageism, fatism and all forms of prejudice. Crap people exist and we owe it to our children to guide them away from all prejudices and predisposed negative social ideology. It's about teaching the next generation about true equality and how to treat every individual exactly the same unless they personally give you reason not to.
/r/MensRights28/05/22 12:55 PM
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Protection Tax...
/r/MensRights14/05/22 02:44 PM
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I was pleasantly surprised by the show 'Have I Got News For You' last night. I was disgusted that this was said by the female presenter and everyone burst into laughter. Then a male contestant (I'm not sure who he is but he was a blind comedian/writer I think) said that he knew (however the woman that said that about Andre's name is) and she told he she has a massive vagina. Not a clever or even funny joke but just as warranted as the original comment and to my surprise everyone really laughed..…
/r/MensRights14/05/22 02:29 PM
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😩
/r/MensRights14/05/22 01:59 PM
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Yeah maybe I was a bit too serious but I guess it's something that bothers me greatly. I'm glad it's not something that brings you down too much (or at all).
/r/MensRights14/05/22 01:50 PM
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Oh man..... It's true..... They'll have to start charging women twice the price for an Uber ride to make up for the niche specialist service they are using.
/r/MensRights14/05/22 01:39 PM
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/s? Just in case you were being serious (which I'm guessing you weren't) if anyone were to come up with that argument, you try defending yourself whilst strapped in and being attacked from behind whilst behind the wheel of a moving car....
/r/MensRights14/05/22 01:38 PM
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Then the child grows up without a father and the mother telling them that they weren't wanted or that the father was a bad man. The child grows up without a male role model, hating father figures and therefore men, and the cycle continues.
/r/MensRights14/05/22 01:36 PM
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Honestly.... Without trying to be a killjoy... You should take the laughing face off of the end of your sentence. It genuinely breaks my heart to read. I know you aren't intending to but it's something I don't think we should portray as a laughing matter if we don't need to.
/r/MensRights14/05/22 01:33 PM
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The feeling of impending doom on wakening is torturous
/r/MensRights01/05/22 12:39 PM
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The feeling of impending doom on wakening is torturous
/r/MensRights01/05/22 12:39 PM
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I'm 0.6 out of 10... And it's a good day....
/r/MensRights01/05/22 12:37 PM
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Maybe at a workplace where conversations are meant to be professional. I get that not everyone has to find something funny and that someone will always be offended and I'm not for censorship in general but if I'd posted an article about a women having private parts cut off, cooked and eaten and then laughed at it I'd probably be reprimanded and out of a job. I think there is a huge issue with the casual mockery of men especially when it comes to violence and genital violence. I'm very bored of h…
/r/MensRights27/04/22 01:13 PM
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I can't believe they banned your comment...! 🤦‍♂️ Proof if you ever needed it that certain groups have no interest in discussion or equality.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 07:15 PM
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Very diplomatically and sensitively written, thank you for that. I see your point but I still think that it is wrong to label it as 'menstrual leave'. In my mind to reduce the stigma of something you deal with it without bringing attention to it, not by casting a spotlight on it. As I wrote on my post I don't have an issue with people who struggle severely with menstrual pain having time off. I massively empathize with anyone who has to deal with any kind of severe pain or discomfort. I just thi…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 07:33 AM
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So she should be able to take sick leave without repercussions.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 01:04 PM
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It's called sick leave. No need for special labels
/r/MensRights24/04/22 01:03 PM
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Amen to that :)
/r/MensRights24/04/22 01:02 PM
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Nobody is saying women should work if they're really unwell. It just doesn't need a label. It's sick leave. I also think the stigma will go the other way if certain women are having to take 'menstrual leave'every month. It will be be looked upon unfavorable by coworkers if someone is regularly taking menstrual leave instead of just being off sick.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 12:38 PM
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I think it's fair to say that some women will definitely abuse it. As would some men.... We're just never given the chance 😆
/r/MensRights24/04/22 12:34 PM
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Get a job at GOG! Indefinite money for freeee! ;)
/r/MensRights24/04/22 12:32 PM
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I think the issue at hand is the labelling of it as 'menstrual leave'. Nobody is denying that some women don't really suffer through menstruation and there should be no barriers to them taking sick leave if it is debilitating to the point of not being able to work. Fine, let's make it acceptable to take time off in these circumstances but that option already exists. There is no need to create a specific title and situation for it.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 12:30 PM
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I'm so tired of people laughing at awful things that happen to men in any environment without any consequences. This is a story about a 70 year old man who was murdered and has his genitals cooked and eaten by some psycho. Apparently that's amusing....
/r/MensRights22/04/22 08:21 PM
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Fair enough. The point still stands but with slightly less clout.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 10:00 PM
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https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2022-01-24/man-arrested-after-death-of-man-from-single-punch-in-social-club Uk story the other month of the same crime but here the man was charged with manslaughter.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 08:48 PM
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Just as a comparison (and not necessarily a good one as this story is from a different country) I happened to just read another post about a guy who sucker punched a disabled man and got 6 years. The disabled man was fine and didn't even fall. I'm not saying the guy doesn't deserve 6 years (he does) but it shows the difference between sentencing. (Again not the perfect comparison because of differing countries. But it makes a point). https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/tvpcc1/guy_mocks…
/r/MensRights04/04/22 08:46 PM
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Yeah we definitely have manslaughter here.... This judge clearly wanted to make sure this woman was clear of any guilt though.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 08:40 PM
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But should it be allowed in mainstream media? This is a 'youth culture' magazine. Your point might be valid if we were to accept there being articles on mainstream sites about men having fantasies about cutting up women's genitals. But we don't and we wouldn't (and rightly so in my opinion).
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:49 PM
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Real or not it shouldn't be allowed on a mainstream youth culture website
/r/MensRights16/03/22 10:25 AM
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It's the fact it's been put up and allowed on a mainstream "youth culture" site without heavy objection that is the issue. It doesn't matter who wrote it. Women aren't even allowed to write that they want 'traditional' roles in life for fear of being harassed and branded as a traitor by feminists.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 10:23 AM
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Let's focus on the fact that this has been allowed on a mainstream "youth culture" website. Regardless of who wrote it this should be shamed and shut down. That's the issue here.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 10:20 AM
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And there it is in a nutshell. Equality and empathy for fellow human beings. Thank you to you and your family!
/r/MensRights16/03/22 04:00 AM
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I take it you believe in capital punishment?
/r/MensRights16/03/22 02:08 AM
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I'll let someone else deal with this silly repetitive rhetoric. I will add that you are hatemongering in case you didn't know. If I were to write that all women should have their tongues cut out so men don't have to deal with false allegations "which is a reasonable argument".... You get the point. But I would never say that because I don't believe it and I'm not a vile and vicious person despite the experiences I have also been through. There are lots of answers and responses in this sub that w…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 01:43 AM
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Not acceptably and with mass backing no. Not until I see proof of it in a mainstream setting. Which I have asked you for numerous times seeing as you seem adamant that there is.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 01:23 AM
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I'm very sorry for what you had to go through. You sound like a decent and resilient person!
/r/MensRights16/03/22 01:14 AM
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What do everyday women have to go through that's even close to that?
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:58 AM
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Would you say the same about a publication on a mainstream site about 18 men's fantasies about cutting up women's genitals and cutting out their ovaries?
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:31 AM
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Certainly not bad advice!
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:54 PM
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Could you enlighten us by linking such an article please? Genuine request.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:52 PM
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The latter
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:51 PM
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I agree people are entitled to their own fantasies. But I still think there are limitations. How about a fantasy that involves sexual acts towards children? Some fantasies are damaging and dangerous and need psychological intervention. But regardless, even with your point standing, those antisocial fantasies should be kept away from the mainstream. As you said previously: People need to mind their own business and not make it everyone else's. And whilst repressing them could lead to people actin…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:01 PM
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It's not lost on them. They revel in it.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:33 PM
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If you also agree that sites and articles that condone, and actively encourage, conversation and fantasy about sexual violence and mutilation towards women is acceptable as long its not acted on then good on you for at least not having a non prejudicial viewpoint, regardless of how depraved I might find those views. My non prejudicial viewpoint is that no one should be made to suffer the threat and humiliation of highly antisocial and psychopathic revelries. You're seemingly assuming that by def…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:17 PM
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We can dearly hope that it is all troll stuff. Regardless there's the equally disturbing and worrying fact that articles are accepted in mainstream media without heavy criticism.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:11 PM
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I'm glad we agree porn is commonly degrading to both sexes. Now show me the common prevalence of affirmative sexual assault and mutilation to women?
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:09 PM
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Ignore the troll everyone.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:59 PM
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I didn't find that whilst casually searching for "how to help anxiety". I'm sure there is somewhere in the deepest, darkest depths of the internet but it certainly wouldn't be condoned and easily accessible. Also, I'm not sure how saying "...yeah but it happens to others" makes it acceptable?
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:58 PM
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Most people on this sub support everyone. But yes, this is a good place to find people with a common goal against prejudice. So many of us are depressed because of the terrible state of society. If you are genuinely depressed I hope this sub helps you to find solace in any time of need!
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:45 PM
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You don't need to say "even as a woman". Your viewpoint is just as valid and important. In fact it's far more important in this situation!
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:40 PM
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Yes you can find anything on the internet if you look in the darkest corners. You wouldn't find child pornography on that website. It's a casual site aimed at youth and culture: "Thought Catalog is a digital youth culture magazine dedicated to your stories and ideas".
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:34 PM
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I will also respectfully disagree but maybe we've had different exposure to unpleasant material in our lives. Regardless I think we can both agree that any movement towards condoning violence on anyone is unacceptable.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:09 PM
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Unintelligent vitriol as to be expected from someone who defends this kind of sick material. I'll respond if you have anything constructive, pleasant or positive to say otherwise I'll leave you to troll away.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:06 PM
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LINKS!? links to anything related to the positives of cutting up women.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 06:36 PM
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Nothing on par as far as I'm aware. I would argue that porn is just as degrading to men as women and just as harmful to both genders. Admittedly that's just my opinion but I do believe it to be true.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 06:36 PM
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It's about castration...... Where's the section on men wanting to hurt, attack and sexually mutilate women?
/r/MensRights15/03/22 06:33 PM
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Because 4chan is a widely accepted and rarely criticized medium for expression 🙄
/r/MensRights15/03/22 06:31 PM
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You and me both :/
/r/MensRights15/03/22 05:47 PM
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Why stop there!?
/r/MensRights15/03/22 05:47 PM
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Links?
/r/MensRights15/03/22 05:32 PM
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Please don't say that, that's what they want too....
/r/MensRights15/03/22 05:31 PM
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How about all the men that fantasize about cutting up women's genitals? Let's give them a space to publicly share those thoughts. It's only a fantasy!
/r/MensRights15/03/22 05:17 PM
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Thank you!!! Could have definitely given the wrong impression there.... Amended!
/r/MensRights15/03/22 04:41 PM
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People regularly have ideologies that involve accidental prejudice and accidental narcissism and that is ok as it's part of learning and balancing through life. But it shouldn't be that one sided issues are taught to impressionable people without fully giving time to the opposing issues too. It's one thing saying I don't want to hang around with people who morally differ from myself but to walk into a situation where I am accepting that viewpoint as the basis of my education seems completely dif…
/r/MensRights12/03/22 02:35 PM
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This is very good advice. It may be difficult to get in contact with previous students for security reasons but I will try. Thank you for that.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:45 PM
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To be honest a lot of it would be about having a chance to emigrate and teach to other western countries that require visas whilst helping immigrants start a new life there too.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:44 PM
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I already have a CELTA TEFL qualification. This would be to have a qualification that would allow me to emigrate to countries that require a masters for a visa.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:43 PM
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It's tough for me to answer because I deem MR to be about equality and feminism to be about bigotry. But my advice would definitely be to read the papers first which I need to do.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:42 PM
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This is what I fear
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:41 PM
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This is actually what I'm starting to think. Another Mickey Mouse course possibly....
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:41 PM
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Not if that person is your mentor for 2 years and shaping your views and actions.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:40 PM
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It's a big commitment and self sacrifice to be undercover all the time. I want to avoid toxic environments not throw myself into them. But thank you for the suggestion, it's otherwise a good idea.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:39 PM
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Yeah this is true although chances are high that it would all be very one sided views and opinions. I will read first thought.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:38 PM
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Yeah I have to do that before I can properly judge
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:37 PM
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I will check it out
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:37 PM
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I have already taught English as a second language. The masters would allow me to emigrate and teach around the world in countries that require visas.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:37 PM
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Thanks for that, it is a good idea to try and get in contact with a former student although I imagine there would be security issues with that. It's in a different country too so may be difficult...
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:35 PM
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I think most teachers in general are feminists now aren't they? Teachers that think disagree have largely been cast out and banned.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:34 PM
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I don't want to believe this but sadly I do. I couldn't cope with that. I have to have some self respect.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:33 PM
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I couldn't do it and live with myself. Too many people do that in life already.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:32 PM
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This is a concern for me. A single guy in the class could simply be coincidence but also a sign of prejudicial selection/marketing.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:31 PM
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Threatened by bigotry? Yup.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:30 PM
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Thanks for this. It's reassuring, I will read her papers. Healthy discussion is always necessary for growth both for student and teacher.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:30 PM
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It's the fact she teaches and lectures on feminism rather than equality that concerns me. One deals with a single side, the other encompasses everything. I don't want to be forced to potentially write assignments that I normally disagree with.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:29 PM
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This could be true and a valid point. Something I can ascertain only by reading her papers.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:28 PM
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Because it's a one sided issue. If she were teaching about equality that would be different. I'm going to learn, not be indoctrinated. But yes, I should read her papers first.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:27 PM
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There's a difference between talking and teaching. if she were writing books and teaching about equality I wouldn't be concerned. It's almost like being taught by someone who wants to push a different specific religion on you rather than teaching about all religions.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:26 PM
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It's a single subject so I'd have her throughout
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:01 AM
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I do agree in principle but to be honest after looking at the course breakdown it's looking more like moral teachings more than practical studies as I'd hoped. I appreciate that is a different point to the original issue but I also fear that spending two years being taught by someone that potentially has very different moral values to myself could prove quite harrowing.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 12:45 AM
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Make rude comments get rude replies
/r/MensRights11/03/22 11:35 PM
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'Ovarian Sand Breast Cancer' does sound pretty serious... Should probably hydrate more.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:20 PM
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You shouldn't be in a position that you need to thank me but you are very welcome nonetheless! :)
/r/MensRights10/03/22 12:58 PM
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It was something along the lines of "well I can think of plenty of things that men can improve on to support the women in their lives. So there must be some things women can do".
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:57 AM
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Ahhhh..... Doh, I took the bait! Now I've bitten I'll simply say my advice would be the same to every individual regardless of gender, race, age and every other inconsequential difference. Equality 101.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:53 AM
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Simply treat them as you would want to be treated, just like anybody else. Men don't need special treatment, they just need equal treatment.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:40 AM
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To be honest I was surprised to find it in the UK. Maybe a speck of hopeful light ....? I sceptically await to see!
/r/MensRights09/03/22 11:44 PM
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I heartily laughed and mournfully sighed in quick succession reading that...
/r/MensRights09/03/22 10:28 PM
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So every 60 year old man is considered more capable of fighting than a healthy 20 something woman? If that really is true then the world needs to start rethinking a lot of things.
/r/MensRights25/02/22 01:43 AM
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This last quote is important. I will admit I just read the general narrative and still think the whole thing is horrendously patronising (or is it matronising...?) But the argument could be made that IF it contains mainly material like this last quote then having it fronted by a female author and having a title that implies a heavy feminist narrative is tye only way you'd get toxic feminists to read this and therefore maybe the only way to get a message across. This is all based on your comment …
/r/MensRights21/02/22 01:13 PM
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Our Vision “To encourage the advancement of the discipline of male psychology, resulting in a better-informed psychology of males, both for the benefit of men and boys and for the greater good of the society we all share” Jesus Christ this stuff is pathetic and blind but worse, dangerous! I, as a white upper lower class male, am going to start a site called African Psychology to help African people understand themselves and how they can advance the discipline of their minds for their own benefit…
/r/MensRights21/02/22 01:09 PM
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Wikipedia can be changed and updated by pretty much anyone. It doesn't have an ounce of trustworthy information. It's essentially an opinion site which is why you cannot use it to quote in assignments. We were told it would be an instant fail if we did so.
/r/MensRights21/02/22 11:43 AM
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I know! Adorable right!? 😃😊
/r/MensRights20/02/22 10:49 AM
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That was a rabbit hole I really didn't want to go down. I don't recommend looking up the story. The media coverage and people's comments are far too depressing. It's ruined my day being reminded again what a disgusting, hypocritical, uncaring, toxic and immature world we live in.
/r/MensRights14/02/22 01:27 PM
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I just looked this story up. The first result that came up was titled "Nelly posted an oral sex video and people have jokes" The first and highlighted comment: “I saw Nelly’s dck and I’m very disappointed,” one user posted. Another said simply “Nelly’s dck is super regular.” It was bad enough when people mocked and humiliated men for having smaller than average genitals. Now it's apparently also ok to laugh at "regular" penises. Like anything that is average or below is worthy of mockery and deg…
/r/MensRights14/02/22 01:22 PM
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I don't know... I might stoop to wiping my arse with it....
/r/MensRights13/02/22 04:12 PM
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These journalists sure are verbose!
/r/MensRights13/02/22 04:06 PM
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I think the general consensus is either that it's really bad for both genders or it's not as bad as people make out for both genders but that there are varying levels of severity of sexual assault. As long as the reaction is equal for both genders then we have reached equality in that area. I'm of the opinion, as I believe you are, that it is unacceptable in any form and should be treated and reported as such. Articles such as this make a clear mockery of societal attempts for equality and it is…
/r/MensRights13/02/22 04:02 PM
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I'm in 2 minds about what the focus of this sub should ideally be after reading your comment. On one hand you're very right in pointing out the truly serious, and most important, issues men face but I'm also aware that a lot of these 'lesser complaints' are due to a growing insidious attitude towards men and I can't help but feel that largely impacts the really big issues down the line. But yes, those are some of the most important issues we need to deal with.
/r/MensRights13/02/22 01:18 PM
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"Cheeky girl: One sly girl gets a handful of Dermot O'Leary's bottom in Manchester, yesterday" "The unnamed female just couldn't help but take a full grope of the TV star's pert rear and seized her chance." Sickening really when you compare it to the reaction this would have if a guy groped a woman.
/r/MensRights13/02/22 01:13 PM
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It's a good point that men are more laid back. I often wonder if we've been trained by society to not care as much about little things (which is probably true) but, as you say, it's seemingly also likely women are being trained to make a much bigger deal of things that otherwise shouldn't really be THAT big of a deal. That's not saying everything that is talked about in modern society but the lines are so blurred between genuinely serious issues and not serious issues that people react as if it'…
/r/MensRights13/02/22 12:54 PM
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You know what, I'm in agreement. I'm going to delete this post. I think it's a valid point I'm making about the article but he's not the right person to make that point with!
/r/MensRights08/02/22 11:48 AM
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Why? We should be addressing the bad guys too. And it doesn't change the invalidity of the article. Is it acceptable to publish spurious articles just because someone is a bad person (genuine question)? Or is it because he's on here a lot?
/r/MensRights08/02/22 11:39 AM
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She was a genuine, empathetic, selfless and caring individual. Society could learn a lot from her.
/r/MensRights07/02/22 05:40 PM
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Bookmarked
/r/MensRights07/02/22 05:39 PM
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I'm all for people being signed up to different groups and subs to both learn and offer helpful discussion. What frustrated me beyond belief is that people seem to literally get banned for civil disagreement, even if backed up with supporting evidence, but on this sub nearly every post is infiltrated with an insidious presence (often only one person) that literally hovers around trying to cause all sorts of arguements and trouble. These individuals usually completely take over and dominate a pos…
/r/MensRights07/02/22 05:38 PM
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I know you didn't misspeak. I was making sure I understand properly. I completely get your points but how does it work in a scenario where there are two different accounts? If, for example, the victim says he was groaning but the perpetrator says he wasn't groaning or getting sexual pleasure and that he just likes rubbing feet? Especially if he has complex mental health issues; there might not be anything sexual about it, just an inappropriate breach of personal space. I'm not saying that is the…
/r/MensRights06/02/22 01:56 PM
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That's fair enough, and yes that is pretty awful and insightful!
/r/MensRights05/02/22 07:06 PM
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Man that sounds terrible. Do you have a link?
/r/MensRights05/02/22 06:39 PM
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2 things about what you have said: What matters is the subjective experience of the perpetrator If the law basis sentencing based on the subjective experience of the perpetrator how on earth are you supposed to know what the actual experience of the perpetrator is? If it is subjective the perpetrator will just say that they derived no sexual pleasure from it and it is no longer sexual assault. What you're surely actually saying is that it's the subjective experience of the victim. If the victim …
/r/MensRights05/02/22 04:59 PM
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You should go to college, we need people like you in the system!
/r/MensRights05/02/22 07:32 AM
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I do actually very much agree and in hindsight it was a reactionary statement based on frustration at a system that forces an unnecessary 'gender balance' in so many fields today. I strongly believe that no one should be forced into any field and that the job should be given to the most able bodied person. I redact my statement but maybe I should replace it with saying that maybe in these psychological fields we're not actually giving the jobs to the most able people. It's like an emergency serv…
/r/MensRights05/02/22 07:30 AM
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Strongly agree on every point.
/r/MensRights05/02/22 12:43 AM
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Absolutely
/r/MensRights05/02/22 12:34 AM
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Surely that works both ways? If we're having to throw genders in for examples: sexual assault" can be used for men to diminish the perceived severity. But that also means 'women' can use it to increase the perceived severity. Maybe we should do away with broad terminology and just label the person with the crime? I would also argue that, rather than being heavily restricted, i hear the word "rape" thrown around very casually. I feel there has to be a better way for labels to get the crime.
/r/MensRights05/02/22 12:26 AM
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Nah, i was just being facetious and talking semantics :) I agree it would be the same with either gender but I personally think it would be too harsh a sentence if a woman did it too. I wouldn't be fighting for a woman to get 2 years if she was going around rubbing people's feet; I'd want her to get help too and not be permanently labelled with society's biggest black mark for life. But at least we're consistent in our judgements!
/r/MensRights05/02/22 12:08 AM
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I see you've added more to this comment since i last looked. Very insightful and important points to bear in mind!
/r/MensRights04/02/22 11:58 PM
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So the 5% of the time where she is getting off on it is acceptable...?
/r/MensRights04/02/22 11:47 PM
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Ugh, i know what you mean about the NHS 'version of help'! There's no hope for any of us! 😆 But yes you're right, we have no way of knowing how far it would have gone and how much he even intended. And especially without psychological intervention we're not likely to find out until he's released in 2 years. I just think it's very sad innocent until proven guilty is an old fashioned concept these days :/ obviously i use the word innocent loosely here. I just can't get over the idea of him being l…
/r/MensRights04/02/22 11:41 PM
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Thanks for the support. I hope it all works out for you. I've been chronically ill for 18 years and she told me i couldn't be ill and that there was no proof. I had to put together a huge pile of medical documents when i got home to send to her as proof. It didn't make a difference as she had discharged me after one meeting. But i had to prove it. She then wrote in my summary report for my GP that I wasn't depressed, there was no evidence of any longterm health issues (I've suffered everyday for…
/r/MensRights04/02/22 11:15 PM
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There absolutely needs to be a forced balancing of genders in psychological fields. I've always been heavily against gender/race/age bias in recruiting: it should definitely be about ability to do the job. But hatred against men is so rife and empathy towards men not only doesn't come naturally from these areas but is actively discouraged.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 11:02 PM
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This is why movements like this need to exist.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 10:58 PM
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I don't disagree and they are valid points but I have a issue with tarnishing this troubled individual's life with a sexual assault label which most people would assume is so much worse. And the lack of psychological support. If he has troubling tendancies throwing him in prison for 2 years will do nothing. So he comes out and hasn't changed or is worse after the treatment he'll likely get in jail. So do we lock him up forever knowing he likely might not change? MAYBE some longterm psychological…
/r/MensRights04/02/22 10:56 PM
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Thanks buddy. I appreciate your armchair validation. And better an 'armchair revolution' than an 'armchair prosecution'.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 10:24 PM
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Whoa, i didn't even think about it in that much depth but it's a very valid point!
/r/MensRights04/02/22 10:07 PM
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I'll upvote that :) although i don't think there'd be enough police available to arrest them all!
/r/MensRights04/02/22 09:40 PM
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how can a feminist psychologists do a good job if her patient is a man and she unconciously hate him? I faced this problem all too blatantly. The unconscious (and conscious) bias and prejudice is very much real and embedded in the toxic culture of the psychological field.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 09:39 PM
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So if he's diagnosed with "autism" he should be let off?
/r/MensRights04/02/22 09:29 PM
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Touching teenage girls shoes. And this is a 'fight' for the treatment of mental health and maybe even for preemptively stopping worse behaviour long term. Pretty important issues.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 09:27 PM
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It's a show where male strippers are regularly inappropriately grabbed and touched without permission by screaming, howling audience members.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 09:24 PM
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😆
/r/MensRights04/02/22 09:22 PM
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Despite the article stating he has "complex mental difficulties"? I feel you might be a harsh judge of character? And as for saying 'being a weirdo' or rubbing people's will likely lead to rapist behaviours and worse; I don't think you can get a clearer case of guilty until proven innocent.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 09:21 PM
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Absolutely, completely agree.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 09:01 PM
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Does that mean every person at a Chippendale concert is getting locked up for 2 years? 😆
/r/MensRights04/02/22 08:54 PM
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You're possibly not wrong but early psychiatric help is surely more likely to help than just locking him away?
/r/MensRights04/02/22 08:52 PM
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I have no arguments with that. An actual assault should be punished accordingly. The post was a discussion, not necessarily an opinion. I just feel the system should be helping a mentally ill person rather than ruining their future for fondling feet.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 08:25 PM
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I think you're possibly misunderstanding my meaning. As a victim myself of both physical and sexual assault i can appreciate there are different levels. Competition is completely the wrong word but there are differing levels of severity. To say it all counts and leave it at that would leave us in a very messy society. If a slap got the same punishment as a punch, and a punch got the same punishment as a crowbar to the head etc. We have to recognise intention, severity and threat. Nobody has said…
/r/MensRights04/02/22 08:12 PM
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You must have touched her feet without permission....? But seriously, i'm really sorry to hear that! :/
/r/MensRights04/02/22 08:00 PM
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Yeah if you read what i said i mentioned that. He was previously convicted of sexual assault for "rubbing someone's feet". Very much dilutes the definition of sexual assault and makes a mockery for real sexual assault victims.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 07:58 PM
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I meant to insinuate that he should be receiving psychiatric help rather than being in jail. This wasn't made clear in hindsight so i'll add it in the post. When you consider what other, more serious, crimes get you in prison, 2 years seems a lot to be locked up. Maybe other crimes need heavier sentencing or maybe this needs less. But either way it's not a balanced outcome.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 07:56 PM
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There's a difference between someone rubbing someone's feet and physically attacking someone. Just from the article, the guy was creepy and a nuisance but not necessarily a danger. If some weird woman came up to me on train and started rubbing my feet I wouldn't want her sent to prison. I'd want to get her some help.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 07:51 PM
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I definitely agree.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 07:50 PM
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I didn't say i that he was innocent but I still reiterate that prosecuting someone for sexual assault when they've touched someone's feet seems the wrong sentence. It dilutes the definition of any real acts of sexual assault which both belittles people who have really been sexually assaulted and gives a person who clearly has mental needs the worst police record around. Who knows what will happen to him in jail with a sexual assault label. It's good he's off the streets but he really needs to be…
/r/MensRights04/02/22 07:50 PM
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This is horrendous and it really explains why i was treated as poorly as I was when I sought help from the NHS. 2 years and a bear suicide attempt it took to see a 'professional Psychotherapist'. I was led into a room with 5 women who spoke ABOUT me and didn't let me talk. I was rudely told not to talk when i corrected them. They then laughed at me, told me i wasn't actually depressed, "just melancholy" and that i "just needed to take responsibility for my life". That was 2 years ago and i'm no …
/r/MensRights04/02/22 07:32 PM
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Thanks again for the insightful reply. I'll try to keep it short this time 😆 And thank you for the kind words, it's really appreciated! And yes civil disagreement and discussion is the only way to achieving any sort of long-term goal (if there was no disagreement we'd already be there 😁). It's true that genuine resources are scarce. I honestly think the internet has done a huge amount to pour fire on so many of the world's biggest issues. Unfortunately fear, hate, violence and negativity sell an…
/r/MensRights28/01/22 11:13 AM
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I just wrote you an extremely long reply. Hopefully we can just focus on that one :)
/r/MensRights28/01/22 01:41 AM
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I know I said I would stop the conversation there but I thought it important to reply again. I have upvoted your comment as I found it very touching and refreshing. Believe it or not I have lot of sympathy and empathy for what you have said. To get it quickly out of the way I will also say that the things you say about misogyny, and men not recognising the little things that eat away at women's lives, are mirrored by the experiences of us as men too. Not always by women either. Men are just as c…
/r/MensRights28/01/22 01:39 AM
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A quick addition to this as everyone has already mentioned most things, but by cutting the frenular delta, the most sensitive part of the foreskin/penis, you are actually severing the psychosexual nerve. The nerve that sends the sexual satisfaction impulses to your brain. So not only will it feel significantly less and different you will lose the ability to be properly sexually satisfied, even after orgasm, which can lead to severe depression and frustration. I'm convinced it can lead to antisoc…
/r/MensRights27/01/22 11:54 PM
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I'll leave it after this reply as the conversation isn't as productive as I'd have liked. I'll give you an example of how it seems and why you came across as passive aggressive, maybe you'll agree with me maybe not. If the post were about the Brock Turner case on a women's rights group and a man came in and said "3 months and a lifetime on the sex offenders list isn't a slap on the wrist". And in a response to a post about how a woman was raped and the perpetrator got off lightly someone replies…
/r/MensRights27/01/22 11:44 PM
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I think your last point is especially observant and true. And I have no doubt that there are cases in general where people are let off too lightly for crimes they obviously committed, this Brock Turner included if he was definitely guilty (not saying he wasn't, I haven't fully read the case but I'm working on the basis the guilty verdict was correct which makes the sentence all the more inappropriate). I do however think that there would be a far heftier sentence if a man did the equivalent of t…
/r/MensRights27/01/22 11:21 PM
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It feels like fire with fire but sometimes I really do think men need a safe space in society!
/r/MensRights27/01/22 10:56 PM
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On top of the psychological damage it would have done him.
/r/MensRights27/01/22 10:55 PM
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I can imagine this was how it was read out in court. "....next case please".
/r/MensRights27/01/22 10:54 PM
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That's a cause for sectioning surely! Pure insanity!
/r/MensRights27/01/22 10:53 PM
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Exactly, and for some reason people think that by pointing this out it somehow detracts from the rights of women.... Like it's impossible to have both at the same time or by taking care and looking out for men we are somehow diluting the problems women face. Madness!
/r/MensRights27/01/22 10:52 PM
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Oh dear, look, I really don't know why you're trying to get passive aggressive with your comments. You don't need to get defensive about people being angered about injustice and you don't need to start throwing semantics around. Yes, I do think that forced penetration can do actual bodily harm but I also think that it would be different if the forced penetration caused permanent sexual dysfunction and if the perpetrator actively maliciously ripped off a part of the victim's body. Which of course…
/r/MensRights27/01/22 10:47 PM
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I don't know the case but after reading about it, it is a different subject matter. But, regardless, no one has said that was acceptable either. It was very far from acceptable. I don't know if saying that one person getting a terrible sentence excuses another person for getting a terrible sentence. They can both coexist in the realm of injustice. However I must add that he is now on the sex offenders register for life whereas her crime hasn't even been acknowledged as sexual assault let alone h…
/r/MensRights27/01/22 10:39 PM
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Happy to include the words "imagine if the article were about....". Certainly no intention to imply a man hasn't ever done that. Plenty of absolute psychopaths out there! Actually, reading back, the word imagine doesn't insinuate that a man wouldn't do that at all. It's simply saying 'put this image in your head and think about what the reaction would be'. I think you're coming at it from the wrong context. But regardless the above statement is the intended meaning for clarification.
/r/MensRights27/01/22 10:14 PM
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In comparison to the crime it definitely is!!! There'd be absolute outrage if a man got sentence to 2 1/2 years for a violent sexual attack on a woman involving serious actual bodily harm, permanent disfigurement and long term reproductive issues.
/r/MensRights27/01/22 10:12 PM
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Thanks for your comments and glad you liked the film :) I wouldn't say the men's rights narrative has to be about only women screwing men over but more about the predisposed concepts and subsequent actions taken by society as a whole. Otherwise it's the same horrible narrative that feminists use with regards to things such as violence on the street. 80 something % of violence on the street is against men but it's discounted as an issue because it's primarily 'deemed' to be by other men so invari…
/r/MensRights06/01/22 03:10 PM
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So intense!
/r/MensRights05/01/22 12:34 AM
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That's next on my list :) thanks for the tip!
/r/MensRights05/01/22 12:33 AM
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He's a great actor in general and I love that his journey through this film seems so realistic.
/r/MensRights04/01/22 10:14 PM
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Yeah it just kept getting more intense and terrifying. It's essentially a horror film and I really think it could do a great job in balancing out audience's predisposed prejudices if they watched it!
/r/MensRights04/01/22 10:13 PM
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You're very welcome! There is so much to this film that goes beyond simply he said, she said. It touches on the deeply engrained prejudices that result in men being treated as disposable and worthy of contempt without doubt. It also, in my opinion, shows the malleability of accusers and how easily they can be led in a narrative, especially when of a vulnerable nature themselves. Let us know why you think :)
/r/MensRights04/01/22 10:12 PM
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I have read plenty of backlash from certain online groups that are angry that it even exists. Saying that such films shouldn't be made and how terrible it is blaming sexual abuse accusers. It is so baffling how these movements want to monopolise the media to depict only one side of an argument. It is vitally important to show the world a balanced view on the evils of this world, as we all know. People need to learn that showing a different viewpoint doesn't have to undermine it's alternative. I …
/r/MensRights04/01/22 10:08 PM
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SPOILERS!!! My interpretation of the end: >! I really liked the ending. I was dubious at first that he had been forgiven but the end shows that he will never be safe anymore and will never be forgiven or forgotten. He always has to look over his shoulder and deep down will always be a victim of others' hatred and accusations. His life is ruined and will never be the same regardless of how normal things might seem on the outside. !< I'm glad you enjoyed it :) I was really impacted by it and wante…
/r/MensRights04/01/22 09:56 PM
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It's incredible. And it shows the other side of a story that most people are too afraid or too in denial to talk about in the mainstream. Mads Mikkelson is brilliant in it. Let us know what you think if you decide to watch it.
/r/MensRights04/01/22 05:29 PM
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Haha, yeah it's quite a generic name. Hopefully the IMDB link above points people in the right direction. I went in completely blind though and recommend others to do so too!
/r/MensRights04/01/22 05:04 PM
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If you haven't seen it I'd be really interested in your opinion if/when you do!
/r/MensRights04/01/22 05:04 PM
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It really was! Incredible acting. I could hardly breathe at moments!
/r/MensRights04/01/22 05:03 PM
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I was teaching in an English language school in China. They turned the staff bathroom into a women's only and made us men use the the children's bathroom! There were more guys than girls too. And those children's bathrooms were disgusting.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 10:45 PM
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Genuine question: are toilet rolls taxed? If so, why is this any different to sanitary pads and feminine hygiene products? I have no problem with tampons and pads being tax free but I don't think it should be classed as a female/feminist issue. We should be looking at human beings as a whole and recognising the things that are essential to all our everyday hygiene and wellbeing. If menstrual products are becoming tax free then so should toilet rolls, incontinence pads, nappies etc. The things th…
/r/MensRights12/10/21 12:12 AM
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So true. They outright say they hate men and yet it's still not labelled as a hate movement... Whilst men's rights movements defend themselves and call for general all round equality and get labelled as hate groups.... The blind ignorance of society is truly baffling!
/r/MensRights11/10/21 12:17 AM
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It relates to the complete lack of practical and emotional intelligence from feminists. The basics of societal philosophy are so hard to understand for them, they can only go as deep as isolating the entire human population into 2 categories. Male/Female. Nothing to do with the fact that every person on this planet is seperated by an uncountable number of hugely differing variables that seperate them as a person from every other individual that has and will live on this earth. When you're too na…
/r/MensRights10/10/21 07:54 PM
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And the movie 'Teeth'. A black 'comedy' about a girl who's vagina cuts off guys penises. And it's meant to be in the name of 'revenge'. I unfortunately saw it many years ago and the vast majority of the victims in it did nothing but make advances. Some were for all intents and purposes completely innocent of wrongdoing. I can't remember all the scenes so can't say for sure that nobody did anything truly awful to her but from what I remember none of it was bad enough to kill or ruin someone's lif…
/r/MensRights10/10/21 07:16 PM
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At the very least I think it's now more openly promoted than it used to be. It used to be an accepted prejudice whereas now you're forced into being the bad 'guy' if you don't adhere to these disgusting 'ideals' and agendas. But yes. It isn't a new thing unto it's own.
/r/MensRights10/10/21 07:06 PM
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What worries me more is the engrained response the general populace would have to this. The fact that such a large number of people would find humour and a depraved sense of satisfaction from this is indicative of the terrible way people's mentalities are heading.
/r/MensRights10/10/21 12:01 PM
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I just changed it. What's an amp link?
/r/MensRights10/10/21 11:59 AM
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Great idea! Done. Thank you!
/r/MensRights10/10/21 11:58 AM
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Thanks for the reply. As mentioned above, I am hesitant to refer to my post as an opinion as I am not qualified to comment on the matter of incel culture. I only had a rudimentary understanding of the term and it clearly goes far deeper than I initially thought. I do however very much agree with your statement above. I didn't realise this murderer was a contributor on here and that is indeed a horrible thought. But, as you say, you cannot sensor the masses based on the wrongdoings of one individ…
/r/MensRights13/08/21 09:42 PM
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Thanks for the reply. I don't want my 'opinion' to come across as sympathetic to the shooter or to create excuses. I guess I am naive on the 'incel' culture and had only heard loosely what it stood for. I essentially thought it stood for people who have given up on finding true love and connections with others emotionally and sexually. I'm guessing it goes a lot deeper. It's not my place to chime in on the rights and wrongs of the movement as I'd need to research it a lot more before commenting …
/r/MensRights13/08/21 09:35 PM
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Thanks for the input. Do you think that all those who identify with it have hateful and dangerous views or has it morphed into extremism and extremist subsets? Do you think this article was a good place to discuss incel culture?
/r/MensRights13/08/21 04:46 PM
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Good on you for embracing the concept of real equality. I hope you don't, but unfortunately you will probably have some unpleasant experiences in life that could vary from inconvenient to traumatic. Nearly everyone does. If it does then we will be here to support you. The majority of people in subs like this recognise that hardships are a part of life and not usually based on gender, unless they are enforced prejudices created for a narrative driven agenda. You already seem like you don't buy in…
/r/MensRights13/08/21 02:11 PM
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Statistics vary but more men than women do commit homicide according to statistics. However the vast majority of victims are also men. This article breaks it down and focuses on the ways in which women kill men, poisoning etc, but you can only read the summary. You have to pay for the full article. According to this 3 quarters of homicides are men against men. https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/vio.2019.0005 More eye opening are these statistics: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide…
/r/MensRights13/08/21 12:05 PM
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Not true. Men get most of the convictions for violent crime. And quite possibly cause more physical damage than women when they do during spontaneous aggression. But it's becoming more and more evident that the level of violent crime from men and women is more or less equal. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html%3famp And when we look at psychological assault or planned crimes we are recognising more that women are larg…
/r/MensRights13/08/21 11:13 AM
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I shouldn't have to say it but it's thoughts and comments like these that are so dangerous for men and society. You are perpetuating the idea that women are victims and men are less able to be victims. And your comment about men being more permissive about sex is archaic and stereotypical. Men are just as repulsed and threatened by sex and sexual contact from people, without consent, if they aren't attracted to them physically and to their personality. We don't go around hoping for any sexual co…
/r/MensRights13/08/21 10:22 AM
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Unfortunately you end up being the one who is shamed by others when pointing out these obvious double standards as people are not willing to accept their own prejudices or to let go of their privilege. I don't know if you've tried writing or saying anything about men's rights in any other forums or public spaces but it's not a pretty outcome. There are a lot of judgemental, cruel and unfair people lurking around behind the protection of anonymity online. I/we do say things outside of this platfo…
/r/MensRights12/08/21 01:24 PM
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And the scary thing is people see others call out double standards such as these and laugh us off as being ridiculous for thinking it... When it is EXACTLY THE SAME THING! It's like getting angry at seeing someone kick a Labrador and then laughing when that person kicks a Border Collie..... "Because that's different....."....
/r/MensRights12/08/21 01:18 PM
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Yes! I think that's the one I meant. Thanks for finding it. So horrible to watch!
/r/MensRights12/08/21 01:15 PM
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Although one is a sexual organ and one is a sexually aesthetic body part. They're not as interchangeable as is often quoted. Not necessarily saying one is worse than the other but they are definitely different.
/r/MensRights12/08/21 01:14 PM
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I've not heard of it either but I'm guessing it's a name and shame tactic to make the perpetrator feel and seem pathetic and small.
/r/MensRights12/08/21 01:13 PM
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Thanks for adding that. I will add it to the description at top too. Imagine if a guy had grabbed a women. The security team would have attacked him and had him pinned on the floor immediately.
/r/MensRights12/08/21 12:38 PM
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You may have already seen that Katy Perry tours around getting men to take off their shirts, touching them all over, pinching the topless fan's chest and nipples and then forcing them to kiss her. There's one where the guy walks away and after she grabs him but she then shames him and forces him back to kiss her cheek. Unfortunately I can't find them at video but this is one from the top search. He doesn't seem bothered but it shows just how disgusting double standards are. Imagine the other way…
/r/MensRights12/08/21 12:33 PM
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It really is that simple isn't it!?
/r/MensRights12/08/21 10:51 AM
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..."according to new research, his available income increases by around one third" "...his income immediately rises by 25%" Feminist math indeed!
/r/MensRights23/07/21 10:00 AM
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"I'm not a maths genius..." I did forewarn you! But you're right, that's a shocking mistake! I could almost write for the Guardian with mathematical skills like this! I'll leave it up there for humorous value! Update: Ugh: I had to change it round the right way. Sorry, it was bugging me. I also changed the child support and alimony comment. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. "Did you study a liberal arts subject?" Yes I did. I was forced out of the STEM subjects. /s
/r/MensRights23/07/21 09:51 AM
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I actually agree with you. The comment was written in haste but I stand by it as an exaggerated statement of exasperation, sympathy for the accused and frustration. The initial part about his repayment amount being beyond unacceptable still stands too. They owe that man and his family a lot more than a meager payout. They also owe a lot more to the murdered couple and their family. They've let their deaths go unpunished. There should be major repercussions for the ineptitude of the law.
/r/MensRights22/07/21 12:01 AM
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Ugh, my bad. I hate using /s too. It makes me feel too much like I'm part of the social media world. Like using bloody LOL or YOLO (shudder)
/r/MensRights21/07/21 03:04 PM
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But why would she not have given evidence anyway without financial reward? It's a dodgy character who would only give tips and answers for money. It all seems very wrong.
/r/MensRights21/07/21 03:03 PM
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Not a good system in my opinion. Offering money to people, who lack a conscience, to speak up when they otherwise wouldn't is not an equation for a fair outcome. If you ask someone for evidence and they won't give it to you without a payout, it shouldn't be admissible.
/r/MensRights21/07/21 02:53 PM
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It must be all those fires I make, my constant disgusting farting and belching and the expulsion of CO2 from all my neanderthal grunting. What can I say, I enjoy destroying things. I am a man after all! /S
/r/MensRights21/07/21 02:51 PM
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Dictionary definitions have literally been redefined in recent years to fit a feminist narrative.
/r/MensRights21/07/21 02:47 PM
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I forgot about the fact she was paid $12,000 for her testimony.... that is an additional factor that adds significant doubt and blame to everyone on the opposing side. No one should be offering, or accepting, money to put people away. This isn't the wild west. Why exactly did they feel the need to pay her? What were they trying to buy? This does push me towards even more significant suspicion. All very dodgy.
/r/MensRights21/07/21 02:45 PM
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There should be more if a focus on the justice system yes. But from the limited information we are given all we know is that her testimony led to his wrongful incarceration. The comments I've read have seemed mostly valid but they should come with the proviso that they are only valid IF she purposefully or immorally led things to this situation. I'd say the same about the individual law enforcers that no doubt pushed and twisted the truth to fit a convenient narrative. I agree however that there…
/r/MensRights21/07/21 02:06 PM
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I'll admit I haven't read through all the comments but I don't think people are particularly blaming her as a woman. But as someone that has purposely contributed to his life being ruined. There may be an element of incredulity regarding the reaction to a woman's statement over a man's. Whilst that again would be speculation in this case, it is something I believe we see regularly. The law sides with women more than men from what I have read and experienced. That aside, I don't think this is abo…
/r/MensRights21/07/21 01:47 PM
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I'd also like to add, in case there is any confusion, that this has nothing to do with her being a woman (unless you maybe think they are more likely to listen to a woman which is a possibility). I would make the same comments about anyone if they had wrongfully contributed to someone's long term incarceration. The justice system is to blame the most for not doing their job thoroughly and for handing out sentencing without any evidence. However we mustn't forget that without her testimony I'm gu…
/r/MensRights21/07/21 01:31 PM
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I did read the article before but you are right, I read it with a reactionary slant and made the assumption that he never said that. IF that was all she told the police and HE did actually say that to her then my comments were preemptive and unfair. But the fact remains that her comments were largely to blame for his wrongful incarceration. So who is to blame? Surely you can't blame him for simply making comments when no actions were taken from those comments. IF she only reported what she heard…
/r/MensRights21/07/21 12:29 PM
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The guy has lost his life. That's technically 2 people who have gotten away with murder: the original perpetrator and the mother in law. If she's still alive, put her away for the few remaining years. I doubt she is though. Let her family feel her shame. $50,000 a year. Not far off an average, regular paying job. His family, and their children's children, should never go hungry again from a government payout. $50,000 a year should be additional and added from the mother in law's estate.
/r/MensRights21/07/21 09:42 AM
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This drives me insane. I watched a debate on this in TV with men saying there are more important things for the police and law to worry about and women saying "that's a typical man attitude" and that it's imperative for women's safety and comfort. I then went out that day and got verbally abused by a white van driver and his scummy kid. I literally had it happen two days ago 2. Some scum slowed down their car to shout abuse at me. I am a guy with long hair and I get verbally abused and threatene…
/r/MensRights21/07/21 05:02 AM
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Excellent news, we all know just how easy working class men have had it their whole lives..... It's almost as if the clue was in the name. Now they can go back to their lives of privilege and make way for people who truly need support. /s All I'll say is that feminists won't like it so much if we start actually enforcing equality and ensuring jobs are filled by equal amounts of genders rather than just those perceived to be powerful or socially important positions. Start putting women down the m…
/r/MensRights21/07/21 04:47 AM
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“But technically, what the female finds attractive is in the first picture: solid, strong man, strength that looks like he could provide for you, and he’s not just looking at himself as the centre of attention.” Am I not right in saying that feminists have been angrily saying men can't call women 'female'? And isn't saying 'what women like' completely patronising? And talking about a physique that "could provide for you" whilst simultaneously listening to women say they are independent and don't…
/r/MensRights21/07/21 04:37 AM
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Agreed, some non-judgmental listening and learning from everyone is what we all need! 🍾 I'll let you christen the boat! Thanks to you too and all the best!
/r/MensRights20/07/21 07:36 PM
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🍺 :)
/r/MensRights20/07/21 06:54 PM
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One final reply to this if you don't mind. In my mind there is a difference between fighting for a good and just cause that isn't of your own doing and taking responsibility for something. Most men do, and have for a long time, fought against injustices that they haven't caused whether that be caused by other men or women (or any other 'group'). That has never been a problem. People on subs such as these aren't saying they don't care about horrible things happening to other people and they aren'…
/r/MensRights20/07/21 06:54 PM
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Hi again 😆 just replying to this part of the message too. You're right, you didn't claim to be a feminist in your original post. I'm assuming it was your defence of feminists that led to the assumption and the negative response. It honestly is great that you are wanting to learn about the MRA movement. I promise you a large number of us have tried doing the same on Women's Rights subs but we get completely attacked. I appreciate you sadly too did get some abusive comments but I hope that this co…
/r/MensRights20/07/21 06:13 PM
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Thanks again for the reply. With regards to the dog analogy I initially said that it was about someone telling you they'd been bitten by a dog and you therefore fearing them, not necessarily that you've been bitten yourself. Sure, if someone has been bitten time and time again they will have an aversion. But I fundamentally believe that women aren't being damaged by men time and time again. No more so than vice versa. It is a false narrative that is being told to create fear and hatred amongst w…
/r/MensRights20/07/21 05:22 PM
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**pt.2 - Continued from above** My goodness I've gone on a rant. I wrote it out and it was too big to post so I've had to split it into 2. I won't reread as it was a stream of consciousness so apologies if it all doesn't make as much sense as intended. There is plenty more I can say but I'll save you from my ranting :) I am writing though as I DO appreciate you coming here without throwing vitriolic accusations at men. Yes we may disagree with some of what you said but you have come here to lear…
/r/MensRights20/07/21 04:25 PM
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Hi again, thanks for the reply. Yes, I was unhappy when I saw some people's reactions to you and I did call them out on it. But after a few back and forths with them I can, to an extent, see where they are coming from. I myself have had so many attempted conversations with feminists online and in person and they are all very one sided. We try to debate and reason but there is never any desire on their part to listen or try to empathize. They have made up their mind about the 'evils' of men and n…
/r/MensRights20/07/21 04:25 PM
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Thank you for coming onto the sub to try and get a different perspective. Ironically the majority of people here, as far as I can tell, aspire for that 'commune' style society too. Genuine equality where people aren't weighing up whose problems are worse and where people love and care for each other exactly the same without ANY need to differentiate between them or to slander and belittle each other. The majority of people here are calling out an imbalance and defending themselves against hatefu…
/r/MensRights19/07/21 11:04 PM
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So we have to be curt and even rude to them Maybe that concept makes me uncomfortable but I think you have changed my mind on the matter and I agree. We wouldn't be kind and pleasant to anyone else in any walk of life going out of their way to be cruel and prejudicial, especially those who are narcissistic and claiming supremacy over others. You're right that it is disgusting, evil and beyond unacceptable. Maybe we should stop treating them like people with an opinion but more like people with a…
/r/MensRights19/07/21 09:56 PM
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As I mention below to the other user, I've not thought of it like that before. It's definitely food for thought!
/r/MensRights19/07/21 09:44 PM
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Interesting point. I'd not thought of it like that before. I'm mild mannered and sensitive by nature but maybe that's partly the problem...
/r/MensRights19/07/21 09:43 PM
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I hear you to an extent but unfortunately it's those comments above that will be cherry picked as examples from subs such as these and used to show how 'awful' we are. I don't necessarily disagree with you shutting down someone's comments but just maybe not in such an aggressive or insulting way.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 09:31 PM
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I disagree with your tone here. Someone with differing views to ours has come to have a discourse on a topic important to us all on both sides. Whilst I also disagree with their comment I thinks it's good that they have come in here to talk in an outwardly open manner. We want to be better than those that throw insults and crudeness around without empathy or compassion.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 09:26 PM
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I love these people. Thank goodness these young men and women are the future. All this nonsense will fizzle out with level headed and empathetic thinking like these interviewees have.
/r/MensRights13/07/21 11:25 PM
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Testosterone doesn't cause aggression like it's so often blamed for. It apparently helps with a competitive nature which can lead to aggression in certain circumstances, competition over a mate for example, but it mostly causes the individual to strive for the best and that includes those that are around them. It adds to the desire for those that you care about and love to strive along with you which means being socially agreeable and caring and means the individual is looking to increase the 'p…
/r/MensRights13/07/21 06:21 PM
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A friend and I had that with a couple of women who asked us to buy them drinks at the bar. We hadn't spoken to, or interacted with, them. They continued to call us gay when we refused. They weren't interested in us at all, they were just whoring themselves out for free booze
/r/MensRights10/07/21 10:20 AM
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This one really bugs me. I was teaching English in China and my expat coworkers and I would hang out most nights. My ex decided to come into the men's bathroom whilst I, and a load of my male colleagues, were at the urinals. The guys either laughed and made comments or were quiet and embarrassed. Either way it was awkward and it made me very uncomfortable. I spoke to her after and politely asked if she could not so that again as people might not be comfortable with a woman in their whilst they a…
/r/MensRights10/07/21 10:16 AM
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"it's unlike anything she's ever truly experienced". Geez, we really need to protect these poor women more.... The awful things they alone have to go through in life /s Boy does he wish he was literally anywhere else but there.
/r/MensRights04/07/21 11:35 AM
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This a what's so bizarre about our new culture of 'teaching boys and men this and that..." etc. We literally need to drop the gender and we're actually teaching people how to be a decent human being. Essentially, treat everyone with mutual respect and don't purposefully harm anyone else. With this message being taught to ALL, things like this would be less likely and the repercussions would be equal and equally deterring. Crazy we've reached a scenario where we decide to teach one subset of peop…
/r/MensRights04/07/21 11:33 AM
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One thing that I would add is that this is heavily aimed towards men needing to 'swallow their pride' and accept they can't help. It also tells men to think about what they could add to society in a future where they haven't been killed due to trying to help. All very important and true. But I think there needs to be additional video aimed at others telling them not to expect men to jump into these situations too. It's not necessarily male human instinct to jump into an aggressive or life threat…
/r/MensRights04/07/21 11:23 AM
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But are the characters from a drama or something? I don't understand the concept of the advert. I can only assume it's from an ITV drama that involves an abusive women or something and they're using the characters?
/r/MensRights22/05/21 02:28 PM
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Is this related to a TV program or something?
/r/MensRights22/05/21 01:52 PM
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I agree with you but not necessarily regarding this post. It was flagged as humour and the OP's comment was sarcastic. I think this is highlighting the ridiculous concept of hijacking someone else's special day for appreciation. If the post were actually about celebrating fathers over mothers on mother's Day I'd have a problem with this.
/r/MensRights10/05/21 11:15 AM
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That's awful! I'm really sorry to hear that.
/r/MensRights02/05/21 08:57 AM
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All very true....it's hard to tell how much is malicious on their part and how much is delusional
/r/MensRights01/05/21 07:43 PM
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Personally I'm saying neither. I think people are people and they have their own traits that aren't necessarily predetermined by gender. And those that are definitively unique to a gender aren't inherently bad. But you can't have toxic masculinity without toxic femininity. I'd prefer to scrap both terms but you can't point your finger at the flaws of one set of people without pointing another finger at the other. Same with the positives. Working on stereotypes, we can ascertain that something ma…
/r/MensRights01/05/21 06:58 PM
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A voice of reason (from what I have heard of her)
/r/MensRights01/05/21 05:53 PM
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The most amusing part of the statement is "if it exists" followed by a detailed, definitive analysis of said potentially non-existent concept.
/r/MensRights01/05/21 05:51 PM
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I'm not sure if I'm interpreting the reasoning for your question correctly or not. Regardless of my assumptions of your intentions; No claim was made that manipulation is a core personality trait of women. But it is a core factor in toxic femininity. A stereotypical trait rightly or wrongly attributed to women. Like aggression is a core factor in toxic masculinity. A stereotypical trait rightly or wrongly attributed to men. If anything this highlights the ridiculous nature of assigning premedita…
/r/MensRights01/05/21 05:25 PM
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I think the point being made is that Toxic masculinity focuses on the negative, unpleasant faults of men and ignores the altruistic positive traits and Toxic Femininity seemingly does the opposite. Without wanting to talk for others, I think the other user is referring to the fact that women are just as capable of selfishness and cruelty as men and these unpleasant 'feminine' qualities are ignored when assigning terminology to genders whilst the pleasant 'masculine' qualities are the ones being …
/r/MensRights01/05/21 04:18 PM
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Nail on the head there I think.
/r/MensRights01/05/21 04:07 PM
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Unfortunately I think this is the crux of where it all started. The media is a a cruel and manipulative beast and has a domino effect on everything it touches. It inflames the reader, which enforces prejudicial ideas on a subset of people, which then effects reports from social sciences, which is then fed back to the media, which then inflames people more, which causes people to stand up against the 'issue', which in turn makes the people accused of said wrongdoing defensive, which leads to argu…
/r/MensRights01/05/21 03:48 PM
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I think I agree with your definition. Especially as you said anything that "ends up hurting them" and "taking it too far". My concern is that the definition has been overlapped to link women's issues and societal issues as a whole. It's important to look at the definitions used to pin point male and female traits and, whilst the ones you mentioned are not necessarily incorrect in terms of stereotypes, they aren't a true representation of gender norms and roles. It's ok to say that it's bad for m…
/r/MensRights01/05/21 03:31 PM
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I agree. However a scarily large amount of people do. Can I ask what your interpretation of toxic masculinity is?
/r/MensRights01/05/21 02:59 PM
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The comment is derived from the fact that the term toxic masculinity has been twisted to essentially mean any wrong doing by or towards any gender without taking any other factors into consideration. I think it is a fair assumption to use toxic femininity as equally to blame for the wrongs towards, and by men, as we do for toxic masculinity for the wrongs and towards, and by women. It is a bizarre thing to put the blinkers on our interpretation of the negative and positive effects each gender ha…
/r/MensRights01/05/21 02:12 PM
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Womanipulation
/r/MensRights01/05/21 01:58 PM
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So if a man feels dehumanised, de-gendered and oppressed by today's opinions and standards of men we can call that Toxic Femininity? Same if we see a male with self-esteem issues, body dismorphia and eating disorders? We can call that Toxic Femininity too? That's a fair comment if we can blame certain issues related to both genders in society on toxic masculinity then it's balanced reasoning to blame toxic femininity for other issues related to both genders.
/r/MensRights01/05/21 12:40 PM
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I think more disagreed than agreed but looking back over it there are more civil responses now so I am feeling better about it. As mentioned before, I have no issue with people disagreeing in a mature manner. I think my original shock was the personal backlash, largely unrelated to the post, from a few unpleasant individuals. Especially when, it is in an 'Askmen' forum and there was nothing in the post aimed at women whatsoever. There are obviously trolls that lurk those subs. Unfortunately peop…
/r/MensRights26/04/21 10:23 AM
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Everyone has been indoctrinated to think that men don't have issues and that they are their own fault if they do. That's how we've gotten into this awful place in society. People can't have a sensible discussion on issues because people are either too fickle to accept things may not be as they seem or are too comfortable in their pampered little worlds. Again, I have no issue with people disagreeing with me of it encourages heathy debate where both sides can learn but it seems so commonplace tha…
/r/MensRights26/04/21 08:39 AM
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It's the comment about the post history that has obviously brought a few people over from that sub to look at my history and see I've written this, hence the biased comments. I have no issue with people disagreeing with me in a constructive manner, and it does seem there have been a few more, but some of the comments are literally full of disgusting, unfounded hatred towards men. Admittedly it does seem like there are a couple of clearly very damaged, pathetic, bigoted and prejudiced people that…
/r/MensRights26/04/21 08:32 AM
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'Raging Bill'
/r/MensRights21/04/21 11:17 PM
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Is this something that in theory would be easy to do and common knowledge?
/r/MensRights21/04/21 11:09 PM
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Can you elaborate on the TDS acronym please? Not familiar with that one
/r/MensRights21/04/21 11:08 PM
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Is he a feminist then?
/r/MensRights21/04/21 10:59 PM
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I wouldn't say Keanu Reeves has been on the fair side of karma. The poor guy has had a VERY tough life from what I've read. I don't know about the politics De Niro adheres to and how he reflects that towards others. But regardless of his political standings I don't think anything can justify a corrupt and prejudiced system that ruins people.
/r/MensRights21/04/21 02:56 PM
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Sorry I was being inappropriately facetious :)
/r/MensRights21/04/21 01:01 PM
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You should check him out! Buy one of his DVDs (he needs the money!)
/r/MensRights21/04/21 09:11 AM
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Whilst I understand your sentiments I don't like this reasoning one bit. What with the definition of 'victim blaming' being directed in defence of women so often I think the least we can do is not support the narrative that if a man is wronged we point our finger at him in blame. No one should be made to suffer for their mistakes especially when they come from a good place and when there is an active vendetta against them from an actual source to blame. He may have been naive, and has paid the p…
/r/MensRights21/04/21 09:10 AM
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Wow: this sentence right here, from the article under the title 'misconceived equality' says it all about feminisms concept of equality: "But women and men do not have to be alike or do the same things to be equal" The whole piece is a detailed argument that women are better than men and shouldn't have to do the same things as them to warrant the 'equal rights' that they apparently don't have. Either man and women are the same and should be treated as such. Or they are not and therefore any perc…
/r/MensRights08/04/21 09:32 AM
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A female colleague told me I must be asexual after putting her arms around me and making sexual advances at me but I told her I didn't want to. She publicly ignored me after and everyone kept asking me what I had done wrong to her.
/r/MensRights27/03/21 10:08 AM
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Too many to mention. Touched inappropriately, casual sexist and sexual comments at work, comments about ineptitude related to my gender when I haven't even been given an opportunity to do what it is they're talking about etc... But the story that springs to mind doesn't technically involve me directly. I was teaching abroad and the teachers were predominantly young people. A male colleague walked over to a female colleague and put his arm on her shoulder to get her attention. She was clearly hav…
/r/MensRights27/03/21 10:05 AM
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One thing that really upsets me is the way that people still manage to blame men for this. To use the common vernacular it's 'victim blaming'. I was having a conversation with an ex the other day who is a staunch feminist and her neighbour is even more so. She was telling me how they were watching Rocky and her neighbour had pointed out to her how sexist the film was and how it promotes toxic masculinity and is damaging to women. I made the comment that her neighbour was literally looking out fo…
/r/MensRights27/03/21 09:45 AM
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Go to the r/mensrights front page and press on the encircled pencil at the bottom (assuming you're using your phone). You can write your post from there. It's all pretty self-explanatory from that point. Good luck! :)
/r/MensRights13/03/21 11:23 PM
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not all men are killers and not all women are innocent. Very few and very few. The minor, and often unrelated, things that men are accused of and that are used to paint women in a picture of imminent threat and warranting sympathy and saving, are in such abundance that it makes it impossible to call any man 'innocent' from the eyes of this crazy subset of the societal population. What is more astounding though is that these same (apparently) prejudicial and toxic things are mirrored by women the…
/r/MensRights13/03/21 09:29 AM
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I meant have you made a whole post about it with a link on this subreddit? Will help to draw attention if you're wanting more petitioners
/r/MensRights13/03/21 09:15 AM
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Have you put a post up on here with the link?
/r/MensRights12/03/21 11:47 PM
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I wish I had your ability to change in this way. I'm far too empathetic and caring for my own good. It genuinely harms me. I'd ignore this crazy, prejudiced society if I could but there's too many good people out there for me to be able to push it out of my mind and I care about others' views more than is healthy. One day I'll find myself a nice little corner of the world and live out my days away from the charred remains of a former society and from these toxic people that have no sense of equa…
/r/MensRights12/03/21 11:46 PM
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It's painful obvious isn't it? It's a horrible feeling when you feel it is such an important issue you want to point out such blatant prejudice and hypocrisy but it's also so tiring you depressing you just want to shy away from it all and leave this awful society behind.
/r/MensRights12/03/21 11:41 PM
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Thanks for the link. I have signed the petition. What worries me is that it says petitions run for 6 months and yet it ends in May. Has there really only been 370 signatures out of the required 10,000 in the last few months?
/r/MensRights12/03/21 11:40 PM
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Whilst I respect your thoughts, I think it's wrong to base everyone's opinion on 1 person's complaint. I am technically complaining that they are being blocked which makes one complaint on each side. I actually think it's a very relevant story which is why there are so many posts on it. But maybe I just haven't noticed them as much as you have so can't comment on their validity. Can I ask however, if there are any major breakthroughs or stories that emerge regarding them, rather than speculation…
/r/MensRights08/03/21 09:29 AM
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Just one user?
/r/MensRights02/03/21 10:18 AM
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I do think it is a new and progressive post as it is the next stage of the story and people are getting what they wanted but it is being twisted by the media to suit her. But I respect your decision if that is what it has to be. Can I ask who was complaining?
/r/MensRights02/03/21 09:11 AM
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I think this an important topic as it shows the framing of the media towards Amber Heard and how she is pushed as a victim when in the same situation as Johnny Depp. I wouldn't say it's gossip as it is a genuine article and and explicitly highlights these are potentials, no false hopes of promises
/r/MensRights01/03/21 11:44 AM
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You did you did 😆 i feel bit pompous for that first comment to you. Apologies again. All said with good intentions :) Good luck again with your issue bud!
/r/MensRights28/02/21 08:55 PM
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Haha, god knows why I had the desire to debate today.... Just felt like a had a lot to say and maybe some (clearly overly long) points to make and questions to ask. Nothing much came of it of course! Regret it now! Could have been doing something much more constructive with my Sunday evening :) I'm gonna grab a damn beer!
/r/MensRights28/02/21 08:10 PM
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I retract my statement. She's way too difficult to talk to in a civilised manner!
/r/MensRights28/02/21 07:14 PM
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You are punishing people with your judgment at the very least. And at the worst, contrary to your naive statement, you very well could go to jail simply because a girl said. You're right, if you do happen to be in that one single scenario you mentioned (out of all the possible variables there are, including the many that I mentioned that you failed to address) then that person should worry about having raped someone. But with your very limited willingness to look at every other scenario the OP's…
/r/MensRights28/02/21 07:08 PM
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Apologies if it came across as criticising your response. It wasn't intended and as I say I can see where it came from. It can be very frustrating talking to someone who isn't willing to see another point of view or at least sensibly debate it. I think I am just in such disbelief of certain people's unwillingness to indulge in healthy debate, especially when they come in guns blazing, aggressive and defensive, to specifically cause controversy by disagreeing with the whole philosophy of the post…
/r/MensRights28/02/21 06:53 PM
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I will treat your information as fact. Drunk people cannot consent. Therefore if they were both drunk he didn't consent either. So they both raped each other? I've no problem with you making that argument as long as you can see that by making it that simple you are labelling them both equally. So do we simply label them both as rapists and punish them equally? Just to make sure you understand, as far as I'm aware, no one here is advocating or excusing rape. I would bet that the vast majority her…
/r/MensRights28/02/21 06:34 PM
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Update: I'm adding this at the top. Not sure why but I was clearly in the frame of mind to write and debate a lot today, I just reread your comment above and I see nothing wrong with it at all now. Especially after having wasted a lot of time talking with her. I would have saved a lot of time and effort if I'd just mirrored your sentiments above.... Previous comment: Hey OP. Whilst I understand your comment here I think it's more helpful to challenge people rather than shut them down. This isn't…
/r/MensRights28/02/21 06:04 PM
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I would say I'm treating it more like philosophy than rocket science. Your arguments are treating it more like a science with definitive answers and no attempt to acknowledge there are variables in every situation. This isn't a 2 plus 2 scenario when looking at it from an outside perspective like we are. If we had scientific facts thrown in (i.e. blood alcohol tests and cognitive evaluations whilst under the influence) then it would be more reasonable for us to give definitive judgment. But it i…
/r/MensRights28/02/21 05:47 PM
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I think the point is more that there are too many variables to be able to put the blame on one person unless we have facts rather than opinion and hindsight. Whilst it could be said that one person could take advantage of someone else because they were too drunk there are uncountable other variants of a similar arguement. To name but a few: They both could have been equally drunk and equally unable to judge how they would both act sober. You can't blame one party if both people are equally drunk…
/r/MensRights28/02/21 04:15 PM
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If we're now saying equality comes down to financial compensation then she should be paying him back payment for half of all his petrol/public transport costs to and from work plus half of the utilities, food, childcare etc. She wouldn't be doing 4 hours of housework if she didn't have a house to work in.
/r/MensRights26/02/21 12:39 PM
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I applied for an in house care job. After my application I was called up by the company and told that I shouldn't bother continuing my application as 99% of people wouldn't want a man caring for themselves or their loved one. I said that I would rather have a man caring for my elderly father if he needed it and he wouldn't be comfortable being bathed by a women etc. She simply said 'that's not our experience of things so I recommend you look elsewhere'. I probably shouldn't have been bullied out…
/r/MensRights26/02/21 12:30 PM
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Exactly, he showed extreme restraint in stopping after one retaliatory hit. He gave her a chance to stop but when she continued he had to go into survival mode.
/r/PussyPassDenied25/02/21 06:56 PM
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Sorry to hear this man, that's a horrible thing to have to go through. And then having to go through the aftermath as well. It's no wonder men are left to feel dejected and bitter after when society bullies and alienates them so much. Hope you're all good now buddy!
/r/PussyPassDenied25/02/21 06:51 PM
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Just madness.... It's interesting how we are looking at the same article from a completely different perspective. I just can't see how their viewpoint is not prejudicial and ours is on the whole more balanced. Be interesting to have a conversation with someone from the other side who is willing and able to have a sensible, calm conversation with the aim to understand each other.
/r/MensRights25/02/21 01:54 PM
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It's just truly baffling how a subset of people who's main purpose in life is to 'fight for equality' do nothing but try to segregate and make different rules dependant on who and what they are. Sometimes I just wonder if it's me going crazy.... Telling me this is a positive is like telling me the sun doesn't rise. I sit here watching the sunset saying "it's all so simple. Just treat everyone exactly the same". Whilst others spend the day in darkness claiming the sun doesn't exist and that equal…
/r/PussyPassDenied25/02/21 01:32 PM
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I hate the arguement that he wouldn't get hurt and she would therefore he should be holding back (as mentioned by some below). Allowing for disgusting behaviour on the massive assumption the original victim wouldn't get hurt is so wrong. Even if it didn't do long lasting damage it would still damn well hurt. And to claim that it wouldn't do damage is a complete assumption. You have no idea that it couldn't cause him brain damage. She could also have got him in the eye, broken a nose, cut and sca…
/r/PussyPassDenied25/02/21 10:16 AM
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This is a very valid and important point!
/r/MensRights23/02/21 09:58 AM
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I appreciate your view and agree that there is no real way of avoiding factual statistics when it comes to the repercussions of these variants. However there are still many subjective statements made in this article that are purely based on opinion and to state that they are giving women better prices on loans etc to "empower" them is ludicrous after stating that they are better at managing loans. Why would you be empowering a subset of people that are already ahead....? When 'empowering' women …
/r/MensRights22/02/21 10:18 PM
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The idea of subjective prejudice based on opinion is just baffling and wrong. To a certain degree I understand that women on average live longer than men, according to statistics, so there may be additional charges on life insurance for men for example (this is still wrong but insurance companies are aholes). But to charge based on opinion and speculation is insane. Plus they are probably using it as advertising. Companies probably get more custom from women if they advertise themselves as being…
/r/MensRights22/02/21 04:41 PM
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People also need to go on other film forums and downvote. Letterboxed is a great site for keeping track of movies but it also encourages review and interaction and the crowd on there are absolute lunatics full of misandristic hate and adoration of 'woke' culture. An example of a review for 'Purl'. "Purl you don't need to change yourself to be an icon!! Kill all those men instead!!! Please go and make your voices heard on this site too. I think we should all be standing up to this hate movement i…
/r/MensRights21/02/21 09:57 AM
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Just thought I'd come back to your point to say I have bee reading and came across an article that agrees with your statement (not that I disbelieved it) and thought I'd post it: https://www.bionews.org.uk/page_96141
/r/MensRights18/02/21 11:01 AM
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This amplifies the point I was trying to make in the original comment that we are all essentially the same and should treated as such. Regardless of who started as what we all have the same origin, we have just developed the same parts differently. Thanks for pointing this out. I will so some more research on the topic!
/r/MensRights15/02/21 05:00 PM
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Sure, I can make into a separate post if you think it might interest others? I may have to research and edit my statement on how bodies were formed depending on the outcome as I have had that questioned, but either way, semantics aside, it would be the same argument. Ah man, that clip has haunted me for years. I was utterly shocked and disgusted by that and it has stayed with me to be honest. I have used that clip occasionally to point out to others an example of what we have to face as men. Usu…
/r/MensRights15/02/21 04:54 PM
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"Females are considered the “fundamental” sex—that is, without much chemical prompting, all fertilized eggs would develop into females. To become a male, an individual must be exposed to the cascade of factors initiated by a single gene on the male Y chromosome" The link below is to a paper on foetal development: https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-ap2/chapter/development-of-the-male-and-female-reproductive-systems/ I would be interested to see articles or papers stating the opposite. I'd be …
/r/MensRights15/02/21 04:45 PM
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Even if they were all simulated it is still enforcing a harmful concept as humourous and positive. For example if it were a montage video of people simulating rape on women, it wouldn't make it ok just because it wasn't real.
/r/MensRights15/02/21 02:51 PM
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The 3 most worrying things for me are: 1) these guys seem to trust these girls and you would assume the girls are meant to 'care' about these boys. 2) men are trained from an early age that they have to put up with this and that they are meant to find it amusing. If they don't laugh at their own pain and humiliation they get accused of being uptight or weak and if they get angry or retaliate they are accused of being aggressive. 3) even more worrying, women are fully aware it is one of the most …
/r/MensRights15/02/21 12:42 PM
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Yes you're right! It was manslaughter. Apologies, wrong wording on my part. Thanks for correcting me!
/r/MensRights14/02/21 09:39 PM
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(spoiler alert) I've seen that film and whilst it was a long time ago I seem to remember it being very different in style. The tone is a lot more serious and dark even though it a still technically a black comedy. The main guys come off as bad, aggressive and lost on what to do. There aren't consistent jokes about the female body. I don't recall them knocking out any police woman strippers and taking all her clothes off to stare at her genitals and identify her by her vagina. And they aren't in …
/r/MensRights14/02/21 09:48 AM
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I'm glad she was. But I also wonder if the victims had been female and the speaker male if it would be different.
/r/MensRights13/02/21 08:13 PM
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Yeah I agree, that's why I mentioned it may not have been the best sub for it in hindsight. But out of pure speculation (which is admittedly never advisable) I can't help but feel the public reaction to it would have been stronger if the joke was made to a woman about her female friend who had just died. Especially if made by a man. But that part is just my thoughts. Not based on fact
/r/MensRights13/02/21 10:35 AM
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You're right. It may not be the best example of prejudice so this not be the best forum for it but it shows someone that doesn't understand how awkward comedy works. Comedy that people find offensive is usually questioning taboos as an idea, it's not about directly trying to harm an individual. My original point still stands to an extent. If a joke were made about a non specific, bad, generalised topic like rape everyone would be up in arms. But apparently it's ok to joke about an individual's f…
/r/MensRights13/02/21 10:14 AM
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Steve O's response was interesting: https://youtu.be/kkVb_ogECJc
/r/MensRights13/02/21 10:08 AM
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Deeply saddening and sickening :(
/r/MensRights11/02/21 12:12 PM
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I just simply don't understand how it is accepted and encouraged by groups of people who have been fighting to remove these ideals from society and who recognise how damaging it has been to them personally. To downplay the exact same issues, but aimed at a different group of people, shows a pure lack of empathy. It makes no sense to me!
/r/MensRights10/02/21 02:41 PM
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Yeah I thought about that and I shouldn't speculate as I never saw it but I believe it demonizes the male audience as sleazy and unpleasant. I think the film is less about 'enjoying the extremes of the female form' and more about being gritty and sleazy. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong of course
/r/MensRights10/02/21 02:16 PM
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Oh man, please tell me it's not painted in a positive light?
/r/MensRights10/02/21 10:44 AM
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Thank you, that's very kind of you, I genuinely appreciate it :) and the offer is reciprocated!
/r/MensRights10/02/21 04:28 AM
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I think it's probably coming from a place of frustration and anger at what is perceived as blatant double standards and a feeling that their human rights are being oppressed. If you take away the fact of whether or not you believe the them, you can surely see that if someone feels that way and nobody is taking it seriously then it can fall into a place of frustration and insults. Just like you have said some unpleasant and insulting things which no doubt fuelled the fire and made people react mo…
/r/MensRights10/02/21 04:06 AM
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Thanks for the advice and support. It is a good saying to bear in mind. It is something I need to do and maybe I need to work on my own self esteem and confidence too!
/r/MensRights10/02/21 03:48 AM
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I was hoping to just get an answer without there being the need to insult or push the blame onto one group of people or another. Without going into specifics about why or who in your response, do you agree that all oppression and inequality should be equally taken seriously and dealt with? I believe it's very easy to get angry when something you feel strongly about is being discussed and the opinions differ regarding it's origins but essentially we are all arguing the same thing. I genuinely bel…
/r/MensRights10/02/21 03:44 AM
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The whole conversational thread aside, starting from scratch and assuming everyone wants everyone to be fairly and equally treated, would you consider there to be any issue with oppression, inequality and injustice against men? (This question and your answer in no way belittles your opinions on women's rights. Curious what you think if all current animosity is taken away from both sides)
/r/MensRights10/02/21 03:10 AM
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Yeah I've known she was toxic for me for a while, especially after my mental health deteriorated, which is why I ended it. But she's somehow still a part of my life. She's seemingly really nice usually and guilt trips me for ending things but also days she wants to be friends and needs supported so I keep thinking maybe I'm the one in the wrong. And then conversations like today happen and I feel the world collapse on me!
/r/MensRights10/02/21 02:56 AM
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It really affected my mental health whilst we were together and we have stayed in contact (she's like Jekyll and Hyde. Seems really nice one minute and then says and does awful things). So it is clearly still affecting my health. I have tried using intersectionality but she simply refuses to believe it and says I'm making things up and there are statistics to prove otherwise all over the internet. I tell her there are statistics proving the opposite too and you can't always trust stats. For exam…
/r/MensRights10/02/21 02:48 AM
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This is shocking. I wrote this post after a very unpleasant attempt to talk to an ex today who has very heavy views on male objectification being ok (she wouldn't call it that) and that it is different to women who suffer at the hands of oppressive men. She watches programs and films that I find abhorrent and has been to numerous strip clubs and hen parties with naked men and tells the stories with glee. But she argues that men who do similar things are misogynistic and vile. To be honest it has…
/r/MensRights10/02/21 02:23 AM
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It's an interesting spin! I like the added conspiracy element to it! Pushing people against people and still coming out as innocent and on top
/r/MensRights10/02/21 12:11 AM
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Happy to accept that view but why then are these articles blaming misogyny....?
/r/MensRights09/02/21 06:54 PM
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This does make sense and when looking at animal species you always have one that makes an effort to impress the opposite gender. Some animals naturally have colours and plumage etc whilst others make things to attract a mate. It's interesting how in most species it's the male that makes itself look 'pretty' for the sake of attraction but it's seemingly females in the human species. I'm presuming your comment agrees that it's nothing to do with misogyny? I'm all for people breaking free of trends…
/r/MensRights09/02/21 02:58 PM
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I dated a woman briefly who went on and on about the patriarchy and the oppression and objectification of women and yet she loved romcoms and said how she loved looking at topless muscular men. She even told me how she likes to look at other men and even more so when she's ina relationship as she feels more attractive herself. She and the neighbours used to text each other to look out of the window when the one guy around would work topless showing off his chiseled body. She would be the first p…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 09:39 PM
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The amount of times I've heard 'feminine' women bitching about other women because they aren't wearing makeup or don't look 'feminine' or pretty enough. People who judge others aren't nice. Nobody likes them. That goes for people who judge the entirety of an opposite gender purely on spurious predisposed concepts without evidence. Accordingly to you an age old process, that purposefully removes individual identity, should alter to allow a sense of feminine identity for women and yet you don't al…
/r/MensRights06/02/21 07:42 PM
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Not a good argument. Are you saying men with beards, men with long hair, men wearing makeup, men wearing jewelry, people wearing casual attire, etc etc etc etc can't fight or shoot as well without? It's nothing to do with what people can or cannot do. The military is militant for a reason. The clue is in the title. There are strict rules to keep focus purely on the taks of protecting ones country. Uniformity is important to discourage individuality but also to give a sense of unity and belonging…
/r/MensRights06/02/21 07:15 PM
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Would the article have said "the police haven't released a motive" if this were a man on a woman do you think? Genuine question.
/r/PussyPassDenied03/02/21 11:13 AM
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YOU move to the other side of the street!!!!!! I have literally already written this as a separate comment but I feel compelled to write it twice!!!!!!!
/r/MensRights29/01/21 03:12 PM
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I would be saddened that she did and I would, in an ideal world, want to prove to her that her fears are unfounded. It's been thrown around a lot here but would you consider it racist if someone of a different race to yourself looked visibly afraid as you walked past? It's the same thing. A large reason subreddit and posts like this exist isn't just about defending ourselves as men. We want to convince women that most of what they hear is agenda driven slander and not based on any logical realit…
/r/MensRights29/01/21 02:01 PM
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Another thought. If YOU are worried about the person walking behind YOU. YOU cross the street. If that person then follows MAYBE you have something minor to worry about!
/r/MensRights29/01/21 01:37 PM
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I have been unfortunate enough to have been physically attacked multiple times, hospitalised a couple and one of those times actually left in hospital with a broken jaw and nose and 2 large gashes on my head that needed stitching up. I am NOT a violent or confrontational person in the least! Not one fragment of my body is aggressive. I didn't even fight back because I don't know physically or mentally how. Admittedly some of these were bad timing (I.e. walking home at night after pubs) but this …
/r/MensRights29/01/21 11:58 AM
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