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| – | The "quiet" male revolution.What better point to prove the parasitic nature of "post-industrial" countries than the fact that by design their societies require a steady stream of immigrants from former colonial territories to function as second class citizens and maintain the population since their own citizens cannot. The moment that stream ends, western society collapses. I'm listening. A more holistic argument here would have to confront declining birth rates in wealthy / parasitic countries. Even if your broader politi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/24 09:21 PM |
| – | Women will always have options, men need to create opportunities to have options.Bro. 600lb women in nursing homes have guys lined up Probably a bit overstated. Remain fairly convinced most RedPill/manosphere/incel energy is directed toward like the top X% of women - thin, younger/pre-menopause, etc. I mean go to Reddit, YouTube, whatever, and show me the like "how to seduce a fat chick" or "PUA at The Villages" -- the idea of that kind of content is so self-absurdly dumb and non-appealing that it speaks to my point (no one is trying to fuck fatties, old women, etc). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/24 09:16 PM |
| -1 | Women will always have options, men need to create opportunities to have options.I simply don't think the dating landscape is as good for women as PPD and most men make out. Most women are pretty dull and have pretty dull options in terms of commitment. I think that's totally fair and valid. That was maybe kind of my point: PPD and most men are hyper fixated on trying to fuck hot/young women, and those women absolutely do have a bunch of leverage. They ignore a significant percentage of women who don't have that leverage or don't even seek to exploit it (e.g., genuinely reli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/24 02:09 PM |
| 0 | Women will always have options, men need to create opportunities to have options.My point is that women are limited too. Sure it's a buyers market but if your product sucks no one is buying it. I'd generally agree that the standard/typical Purple Pill Debate (or dating podcast, or Youtube/TikTok relationship content, RedPill stuff, etc. etc.) that focuses on dating and relationship dynamics is in fact, subtly and implicitly, often only focused on the market for young attractive women and often completely ignores women who don't really have much or seek much leverage in the s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/24 01:46 PM |
| 2 | The "quiet" male revolution.I agree that even moderately disruptive changes to our social/economic models of living can have enormous downstream, second-order consequences on mating, dating, family life, gender dynamics, etc., which I think just adds weight to the evidence that things like sex, love, coupling, etc. are highly sensitive to how we acquire resources and trade with each other. And that a lot of modern trends are creating more 'atomized' solutions for satisfying human needs, and we're perhaps less reliant on so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/24 01:37 PM |
| 4 | Women will always have options, men need to create opportunities to have options.Women having options isn't the same as arguing women have good viable options. One sort of extremely boring, trite and obvious thing about 'the sexual market' is that it operates in a drastically uneven space. There's one background operating principle, namely that men can dump sperm everywhere for a long time while women's mating opportunities are incredibly constrained by incredibly taxing child birth/rearing young. Just a natural sexual dichotomy. The result of all that, downstream from the f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/24 12:21 PM |
| 2 | The "quiet" male revolution.i think we are hijacking the biological drive and shoehorning it into a model that works for capitalism to serve the needs of the 1% our biological drive included living in communities with extended family where our partners did not have to fulfill 90% of our social/emotional needs, not the nuclear family and hyper individualism I generally agree that the stress and labor of having children is exacerbated significantly by modern cultural norms which were primarily instituted to service capital a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/24 09:24 PM |
| 3 | The "quiet" male revolution.Perhaps a sociological reality of modernity is that we do not need each other anymore. our bodies don't know that Maybe not, but then it would suggest our relationships and relationship models respond more to behavioral economics than biological stimulus. I'm basically articulating what's known as like Rational Choice theory, kind of a branch of behavioral economics -- the idea that relationships are formed and maintained based on a cost-benefit analysis by the individuals involved rather than… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/24 07:03 PM |
| 26 | The "quiet" male revolution.aka we don't "need" each other any more. Perhaps a sociological reality of modernity is that we do not need each other anymore. Put differently: male/female intersexual dynamics evolved to create and rear young children, with the implicit, underlying, unspoken need that tribes of humans ~75-250 people large needed to reproduce to feed itself and fend off dangers. "Coming of age" in like pre-history and early history maybe meant something like that -- growing up meant accepting some limits on you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/24 01:58 PM |
| 1 | Men only have importance to women as providers.This is a long-winded way of saying Esther Vilar was right. Sure, I think she was largely correct. What's the value of men beyond their usefulness to others? Pointing out that it's "not much" isn't saying anything that offensive or upsetting. Just facts about nature, I think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/24 12:55 PM |
| 3 | Measures to get over a crush.*Obviously - no contact *Find their flaws and fixate on them *Remember the shame of the rejection | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/24 12:14 AM |
| 8 | Do men feel less guilty about dating autistic people compared to women?Autism in women may even be net positive from male perspective. Assuming autistic woman is smart and doesn't look bad - there are few downsides against a huge benefit of her having no social life to cheat on you with and I am assuming way less of that classic feminine behavioral bullshit colloquially known as "woman moments". Yeah I think people are understating how much an autistic girl might be appealing to men, at least with some presentations on the spectrum. Feels like a median sort of arch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/24 11:55 PM |
| 1 | Are women actually entertaining hypersexual douchebags?Why don't you just ask women what their expectation of 'honesty' is? Women complain about men misrepresenting themselves all the time. OK? What does that have to do with us? I'm responding to you. If like 'women' complain about something, did you earn a complaint of equivalent value? It's the point where you're making choices, they don't work out for you, you don't listen to suggestions, and in the end you just put the blame on men for it. OK? Yet again, why are you taking it personally or rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/24 08:17 PM |
| 1 | Are women actually entertaining hypersexual douchebags?I never expressed a frustration. You did write this: As a man, it's pretty soul crushing seeing this stuff literally happen at the frequency that it does today Anyway, let's get down the important things. I wrote: a guy complaining that women maintain a public facade of innocence but secretly enjoy sex can only be frustrating for guys not participating. You wrote: Or guys who just don't like dishonesty. LOL. I mean honesty is a pretty big fundamental thing, right? Even women consider hones… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/24 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Men only have importance to women as providers.I think this is probably overstating a bit, but fundamentally a lot of relationships (save a few) are pretty transactional. And appropriately so. I would say men have importance to women in accordance with how useful they are, and one of the ways to be useful is to acquire resources like money. There are other ways for men to be useful. Men should generally strive to be useful and you'll discover women end up pretty devoted to you. Being useful to a woman will bind her to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/24 06:52 PM |
| – | Is the fate of being settled for, unavoidable?It’s not healthy dynamic to want to control your partner no. It’s misogynistic because it’s a man wanting to control a woman. Most men (and woman) don’t view either gender as what can they provide/give to me. Most people respect that everyone is here living their own lives and not how they can exploit each other. I mean I guess we just depart here. Relationships are transactional. I think obviously so. Maybe there are some genuinely selfless counter examples, like parents and children. But most … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/24 06:33 PM |
| – | Is the fate of being settled for, unavoidable?OK. Here again I kind of half agree: *A lot of men are incredibly neurotic ("she'll cheat on me with Chad, the horror!") and that can be somewhere between misogynistic or just kind of cowardly and overly anxious. *I can appreciate what you mean that ultimately, fretting about being 'settled for' IS a form of 'control.' But that's just sort of the dynamic of a lot of heteronormative relationships, right? I don't know that it's inherently misogynistic and perhaps fits more under the broad umbrella… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/24 05:24 PM |
| – | Is the fate of being settled for, unavoidable?This guy isn’t ok alone though, that’s why is posting this, especially on this sub. This is just the usual stupid incel fantasy that if one woman is instantly attracted to him then he’s her Chad, and even if he decides to dump her she’ll never truly get over him so he knows for sure she’s not settling for him. The usual misogynistic lust to want to control woman Keep going about the bolded. I have an open mind to read about this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/24 03:08 PM |
| – | Is the fate of being settled for, unavoidable?Ok op, what are you actually expecting to happen here? A woman will be suddenly so smitten by you that without knowing anything about you, she’ll be unable to control herself and drop to her knees in front of you? Like isnt porn and guys here need to stop this fantasy that if it isn’t true love straight away snd she’s not sucking your dick in the first 20 minutes of meeting you then she’s just settling. That is not how life or relationships work. At 30, surly you’ve realised that people grow tog… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/24 02:46 PM |
| – | What's your dating unpopular opinion? Something you truly believe, but would get you down voted?I don't know if this is a *dating* take but it's dating adjacent. Related to gender dynamics. There's a duality of truths about what I'm about to say: *women are sexually preyed upon (e.g., anything from sexual assault to leered at, approached in creepy ways, etc.), and they aren't making up how much that makes them feel unsafe and objectified and those feelings are real and bad and yet *the idea of danger and being sexually objectified (maybe not the manifestation) also makes many/most women fe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/24 02:13 PM |
| 1 | Are women actually entertaining hypersexual douchebags?There are a lot of women out there who dish out the term 'casual sex' and insist that they are definitely not a part of that 'icky sounding' group despite the fact that this is indeed what they engage in regularly. Some keep it as a secret and others rebrand to the terminology 'sex positive' - it sounds empowering and less 'icky' but is essentially the same thing. So, I think it's actually more complicated than you say. And this is exactly the problem that many men have. There are women who are,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/24 01:31 PM |
| 6 | Are women actually entertaining hypersexual douchebags?If you’re just looking for sex why would his personality matter? You are there to get fucked, not take him home to mom and dad. If you’re looking to get pussy with no strings attached do you care about her ability to cook, clean and nurture children? Do you care if she’s a whore or a good girl. No, because that’s irrelevant. The only thing that matters if his ability to flirt and how good looking he is. Right, but the OP is saying something even slightly different, that these guys he's interacti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/24 02:10 AM |
| 4 | Are women actually entertaining hypersexual douchebags?I guess I just don't buy there's these swathes of dudes behaving the way you're saying. Maybe they tell you thats how they behave, but I would be shocked if they were actually behaving that way. This. OP is confused. He's describing men who are good with women doing bad with women. I want to take 'douchey' or 'mean' out of it because it's very unlikely that's how the woman sees it, and very few men are able to open with meanness and get anything. And there aren't many men winning with overtly se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/24 02:06 AM |
| 1 | Are women actually entertaining hypersexual douchebags?Imagine being a man and saying the equivalent. What kind of reaction would you get? Absolutely nothing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/24 01:52 AM |
| 3 | Why do guys stay in the friendzone if they know they're in it?The answer to the OP’s question / thought then is that the first ‘no’ is not final and that’s not how life works, and in fact, women’s ‘nos’ are never really final like that, at least generally speaking. How many husbands and boyfriends have been turned down for sex at one point or another? All of them, right? It’s “no” right then and there; but not forever, duh. True story: this is the circumstance with ALL women in a male’s life. Obviously there are some genuinely non-sexual intersexual relati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/24 01:06 PM |
| 3 | How likely is it to get discovered on Tinder by colleagues/friends?He’s still married, trying to have an affair, and the stuff about his occupation is an excuse is my guess. | /r/seduction | 10/03/24 12:45 PM |
| 3 | If women are attracted to the more party animal type of guys, can guys be like that to attract women?A lot of people telling OP not to ‘be something you’re not’ and ‘don’t try to fake it’ etc. etc. No offense to these people, I’m sure they mean well. But. This is TERRIBLE and self-limiting advice. Being a party animal is just a description of someone who is usually loud, confident, brash and very social. Perhaps charming. Sometimes not. Here’s the thing: you can absolutely learn this skill and cultivate this personality trait. I promise! Nothing about your current personality is immutable. It’s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 06:33 AM |
| -1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.I'm giving you my genuine, best insights: *yes, a genuinely emotional man who is vulnerable might be attractive to you, because that IS nice *most men cannot wholly be that personality and will ultimately leave a woman wanting, just as you've communicated *disappointing women with your hypocrisy while not maintaining your masculine frame is the surest, absolute most direct path to a Dead Bedroom where you don't want that man's penis anywhere near you. If it hasn't happened yet, you're on your wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 03:12 PM |
| -1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.I can't speak for you. I'd just note humans and all mammals are really good at redirecting their aggression, and rationalizing their aggression on the most favorable terms possible. You read like a woman who is generally unhappy with her man, and from the outside, I think the thought pattern you went through was something like: *"I'm happy with this guy!" ---> *"He's crying. That's so sweet! He trusts me. My heart is fluttering" (internally: uhhh, starting to feel a little nervous about this, wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 02:51 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.they fall into the whole "boss babe" meme of women that was spawned from feminism yes. People have this very comical view that all feminism has been positive. Trash like those tiktoks are a direct result of telling women they don't need men and that men should be worshipping their existence because they're "so perfect". Is Feminism bad? No has it spawned a lot of entitled women because the message got warped pretty bad along the way? 100%. Idk why people are so allergic to admitting women are as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 01:17 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.I said I am happy but wish he wasn't such a hypocrite and had even an ounce of the same understanding I show him. For what it's worth, I'd guess 95% of the audience reading this doesn't want to argue with you on the state of your own emotions. But. *you don't sound happy at all (" wish he wasn't such a hypocrite and had even an ounce of the same understanding I show him " -- you don't sound very happy!) *and I think we're all reading backwards into this that in fact as a man, you really shouldn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 01:05 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.So they're morally bankrupt. You're holding men to a higher standard than women. I think men should be men, and due to the forces and whims of nature, or of God's design, or however you want to conceive of it: all that testosterone and upper body strength and height and the force of our punches and our ability to throw farther and all the rest give to us the burden to be strong and protective. If you're demonstrating weakness and vulnerability to a heterosexual woman you want to have sex with, h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 12:40 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.But those standards don't apply to women... OK? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 11:17 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.Not trying to start a fight with this, but this is one of the reasons why men commit suicide at such a high rate. Why though? You must have some misplaced assumptions. I've made like 25 comments on this thread and been clear throughout: *There are certain times and places for men to be a bit more emotional, show some weakness and vulnerability. Namely: with other men you trust. If you don't have a single guy like that in your life, you got some problems and I absolutely sympathize with the women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 10:50 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.Kinda! I hope I've been consistent here. Vulnerability IS a problem for men and showing yourself in a vulnerable state to women is understandably concerning for them, and will make them reconsider fucking you and having your children. Vulnerability is saying you're in an emotional state when you might get harmed, or you've been harmed. Consider female evolutionary drives and biases and what they are thinking deep down when they are interacting with men like that. Seems obvious to me you should d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 05:52 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.It is egoist. But it's easy to be responsible for others' treatment of myself. How about this instead? Just one more addition: *I'm responsible for myself *Everything that happens to me is a product of my action *Feeling bad about how others treat me is due to me allowing them to continue to treat me like that I don't expect others will be angels or perfect. So obviously maybe mistakes get made, they're temporary, you reconcile and move on. But if people treat me like shit continuously or they c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 05:22 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.I take responsibility for myself, all of my emotions, and all of my actions. That's my default assumption: I'm responsible and in charge of me. No one else is ever responsible for me. I'm not a leaf in the wind and I'm never victim to others. That's just in my core. It takes time to keep saying that to yourself and develop that mentality. Give it a few years and it will come natural. Those core points: *I'm responsible for myself *Everything that happens to me is a product of my actions And so, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 04:54 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.I realize I've responded to you like 10 times and you probably think I'm hectoring you but you and I are like in 99% agreement. I don't know whatever your dynamic is with the rest of the people here but you seem to have enemies. My hope in responding to you is other men see what I'm writing and get the message. I'm really replying to your critics. Takeaway points for any men reading this: *men are correct to sense/notice/intuit that overly emotional/vulnerable men are a big turn-off for women, w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 04:37 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.They want a man that makes them feel good all the time, and that's not something an actual person is capable of without wearing a mask. And women want men to wear a mask, or they'll be found by one that does. Being genuine is how you stay single as a man. Why does your genuity and sincerity as a human have to be tied up into being vulnerable with your romantic partner? Someone explain this to me slowly. There are 7 billion humans on the earth. WHY are you trying to be so emotional with your roma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 04:19 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.You sound bitter and angry to the ex here. But as a man myself, this sounds like your fault. Sounds like you've learned your lesson though. Just to be clear, a different way to frame this would be: "I opened up about not wanting to be like my father(anger issues, etc). That falls under your ‘appreciate’ list i would presume. Guess who I got compared to in the next fight? Never, ever got an apology for how she used the shit I was vulnerable about against me. She’s now my ex, but my real life ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 04:09 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.Simply put: men, stop treating your sex partners as mothers and therapists. Get your bros or professionals to do that shit. If you don't have men you trust, well there you go, that's a problem. Related here. Posted about this numerous times on this forum. But men!: you need male friends. The amount of dudes trying to find a woman and then get deeply enmeshed with her (a bad thing) is startling. I promise: healthy relationships with a stable sexual dynamic between a man and a woman come from prev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.At this point, you guys aren’t doing any favors for actual men’s issues by conflating them with petty problems, such as not knowing how to express emotions without acting like a fucking toddler. Men not being taken seriously when they're abued and raped are men’s issues. Men told by other not to handle their mental health problems is men’s issue. Not being able to throw a tantrum is a manchild issue. Not being able to fuck Stacy is a fuck boy issue. This seems exactly right: almost certainly, th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 03:33 PM |
| 3 | If you don't have a big social circle, are you basically fucked when it comes to dating?Women are good at picturing their futures with you and if her first impressions (fair or not) make you seem like an introverted stay-at-home type, it likely does present some red flags for her. Remember most (not all) women presenting as hot (doing their hair, makeup, dressing well, putting their tits out, etc.) are doing that because they want to be seen and get that attention they crave. It's hard to imagine herself being the center of pretty-girl attention in her sweats watching Netflix all t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 03:17 PM |
| 0 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women. ^ listen to this man | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 01:16 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.And if women are so comfortable hating men being vulnerable I've commented a few times on this but: *women probably do like vulnerable men, maybe a lot but *do not want to fuck them The result for men reading a dating/relationship forum is to almost never be vulnerable with a sex partner or potential sex partner and find another outlet for it. I agree the dudes who are like "women hate vulnerable men, they're all witches!" are wrong because women love caring for shit, vulnerability, being nurtur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 01:13 PM |
| 0 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.No it's not. I don't know what Red Pill advice you're reading but you're flair says you're Red Pill and a man. And there's really little space for men to be appropriately vulnerable with women. It should be like a once every five years event or something. Death of a loved one or the dog dies. School shooting in town. Cancer diagnosis. Some shit like that. Almost all other emotions -- men should be able to cope, on their own, without burdening the woman. Sad about work? Have a plan to make it bet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 12:52 PM |
| -4 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.There is no correct way to be vulnerable. Either she's down for you or not. If she can't handle the first option, dump her. Obviously, don't burden shift. But if something can impact yalls quality of life that much, it's valid to express it in dire terms. The correct option is to find a better woman. No way. Step 1 as a man is to not get yourself into dire terms, or if you do, have your life together that you're not making the woman you brought into your life suffer. Or you know, don't date and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 12:44 PM |
| -5 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.In my experience... it's a little of column A and B. Vulnerability is rewarded in a healthy relationship. If you can't be vulnerable with your girlfriend, dump her. You're dating the wrong girl. After crying and being vulnerable with my exes, nothing changed. However, there are plenty of women who view men through a weird hyper masculine lens due to socialization. In their eyes, men can't be soft or vulnerable because it's unnatural, feminine, or bad. If you value your sanity, avoid those women.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 12:32 PM |
| -1 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.Rollo has been able to be baited and tricked by girls younger than his daughter. He also says things with no evidence as well. Not that I want to really engage in Rollo bait, because Rollo is an idiot. But men and women in the audience here should stop seeing women as manipulative trickers BUT give them the fullest measures of womanhood. In my post above, I wrote in a detailed way about why I think showing vulnerability puts women into a frame that isn't sexual, and that is detrimental to a man'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 12:18 PM |
| 5 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.I don't know that women hate vulnerable men and may even find them endearing. But that doesn't mean they desire them. And I do think vulnerability in almost any quantity will dampen female desire. As a guy, just speaking from my own experience, I can say that it is a bit of turn off for women. Note I'm an American male; perhaps cultural context matters. I want to focus on this list: Women appreciate vulnerable men. For example: Men crying that he doesn't know when he’ll get a job, or pay the b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 11:51 AM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsYeah hippy chicks don’t go for mopey introverts either lol For what it's worth I agree, but if you ARE the kind of guy who wants to live outside normie hustle career grind culture, you're going flame out quickly with normie women who want the house/picket fence/kids/vacations/401k. And you're going to be dating hippy chicks. Or trad religious women. I'm confident there ARE hippy chicks who will love an aggressively nonconfirmist bum type, so it's not hopeless. But those girls are like really har… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 08:39 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsI disagree with a lot of how you're framing this, but I think there's something to your last paragraph. I've been surprised at how generally well my commie-flavored comments have been received here. I'm totally sincere even if it's a distraction. Nominally Red Pill men are -- at least many of them -- just operating out of the most leftist mindsets you can encounter. They desperately want the state to arrange a marriage for them and then enforce monogamy or else exploiter Chad and Stacys will suc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 07:14 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsSo men should offer a plan beyond feeling and mysticism but also shouldn't expect nothing or they are entitled?! It does not make since !!! You can't pay money for example but get called entitled for wanting something in return of money I think it's OK for men to have boundaries in their relationships. I don't understand from where those double standards come from , men need to give but want nothing in return in return or they are entitled Just kind of polarity my dude. Testosterone afford men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 07:09 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsI think genuine sexual polarity requires men to behave like actual men to get women excited about fucking them and having relationships with them over the long term. So if you're a dude sitting around not planning to do much with your life but you want women to be in a relationship with you, that is unlikely to work; you have to offer her something beyond feelings and mysticism. I do not think we can go from there to make a broader claim about how political power, resources, or political rights … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 05:11 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsso why can't men fight to be valued for nothing like women ?! Did you actually understand what I wrote? The situation is simply not equal. Men and women aren't the same. Women have more power than men. Why do you think the expectations are the same? Sounds kinda blue pilled my dude! Vaguely feminist in fact. ----- Brief aside, for anyone reading this, but "aggressively Red Pill dude to sputtering Blue Pilled egalitarian" pipeline happens in a matter of a few posts and minutes. There are no great… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 05:06 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsI can barely understand your point and I am not lying. I think the OP (and a lot of guys with his mindset) are quietly and subtly carrying around a deeply feminine frame and do not understand masculine and feminine polarities, namely that there IS an unequal market of buyers and sellers when it comes to sex, relationships, and mating. Women have a ton power, they have the wombs, getting them pregnant and bringing a child to term and raising them requires extraordinary efforts, and so women are j… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 04:53 PM |
| 3 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsMaybe? I think if sexually appealing men fuck women outside the context of a relationship, they should be transparent-ish or at least not outright lie ("future fake") about their intents. And then I have no real philosophical problems with their behavior. I get that a little bit of gamesmanship is part of it (e.g., no one goes in like "yah I'm just using you, girl, and you're just part of my roster" -- so I'd never insist men lay all their cards on the table. But I'd also think it's bad / immora… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 04:41 PM |
| 3 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsIf you think money is a part of material existence but love is not you are beyond saving, like most Americans tbh My dude. See my posts here. Want a woman's genuine love? PROVIDE FOR HER. You can do that in a number of ways; 'money' is just sort of a quick and easy reference and symbol of that. I still think in the back of your mind are rattling around some deeply feminine ideals about love and romance disconnected from provisioning and materials, and my guy, that is romance novel stuff because … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 03:53 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsIf anyone takes this sort of mentality from a man, it will be maybe a slightly religious, modern breadwinning woman who underestimates her worth, and will not be having procreative sex. If she has kids with him, it will probably be just as many kids as she can take care of by herself, because let's face it this guy sound like a child himself. Right. Exactly. The OP doesn't seem aware of it, but he's looking for a trad. A woman who bonds to men for reasons outside of pursuing normie 'rat race' en… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 03:48 PM |
| 5 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsMaybe? If there's this mystical normal existence out there with love, cooperation, empathy and joy entirely disconnected from our material existence, then I guess you are enjoying that place with your woman and utopian ideals and wish you the best with it. The answer remains that for most of the rest of us who must suffer with the corrupted world, the best path for men who are lonely and frustrated is to improve themselves via hard work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 03:39 PM |
| 2 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsNo you are still going to need a lot of money to support many kids(procreative sex, as you say) in this economy. And the idea that religious women have starfish sex. 😆 Like I said...you are repeating ideas you hear from media and don't know any trad or religious ppl most likely. I don't disagree but if you're dating the kind of tradgirl who needs money for all the kids and she's into non-procreative, non-starfish sex, you're effectively just describing a tradgirl with a thot side. And I don't ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 03:27 PM |
| 3 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsHonestly I probably couldn't explain it in a way you could comprehend I'll cape for you a little bit and acknowledge that are genuinely some number of people out there who have vibrant social lives and build deep bonds and communities, but without fixating on the traditional materialist benchmarks. See some of my other posts. The women who are into this lifestyle come with their own downsides and unique wrinkles and aren't going to be necessarily traditionally feminine or walk that path. Your mi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 03:21 PM |
| 0 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsI can tell you don't know many trad or religious women. Lol No way are they taking this guy on. No, I get that. They ain't taking this guy on. But if you want a woman not looking to engage in the rat race, you will find them in more orthodox religious communities, or religious people who prioritize their spiritual side and/or the trad lifestyle. Credit to those people -- no shame to them. But it's generally *not* what a lot of modern guys want. Some do. But what I am saying is if you choose to f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 03:15 PM |
| 4 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsHaving no bonds at all is preferable to false relationships facilitated and mediated through money Bro, I am a little lost here. What would a 'real' bond not mediated as a transaction for *something* look like? Money is fungible and useful so it's understandable we all chase it, because you can use it to buy food, go places, medicine, clothes, etc. Rather than getting fixated on money, can we at least agree that real bonds between people often involve physical and tangible things? That is, bonds… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 03:07 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsJesus this view on life sounds so dystopian and awful. I would kill myself if I believed that this is actually what life boils down to. Is she wrong? I think she's mostly correct. I think women are awesome, I cherish all the bonds I have with women, but aside from maybe my mother who I trust loves me unconditionally -- literally every other relationship I have in life comes with boundaries and implicit conditions and unstated contracts. And appropriately so! I don't think it invalidates the time… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 03:01 PM |
| 0 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsWhen you cannot find a companion, what there is really there to do? Most men are getting a drive to be better for their woman, but if they cannot find a woman and if they keep getting rejected 100% of the time, then in order to combat the extreme loneliness from their heart, they are combating it with other things like hobbies and work. And a man's failure is not always 100% his fault, western women are indeed extremely picky about the men they pick, especially when it comes to physicality. Why … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 02:48 PM |
| 3 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsI don't think the OP is far off base. But we should be real here. Men who embrace this mindset are really only going to be dating in two pools: *flakey hippie artsy chicks who want to live a Bohemian lifestyle outside of the rat race and career grind mill, probably but not necessarily into drugs and art and music or the outdoors, and these girls are going to need constant stimulation or they'll move on. You will find some cool women here who want that sort of intense relationship you're seeking,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 02:29 PM |
| 3 | Does lovebombing even work when women do not like being put on a pedestal?I'm confident 'love bombing' is a real phenomenon -- a lot of compliments, displays of affection, gifts, whatever early into a relationship that was intended to be manipulative all along -- but also remember that the world is now inundated with therapy talk and everyone loves to rationalize away their mistakes or bad taste after-the-fact. For a lot of women, 'love bombing' just describes forms of benign and non-manipulative game, charisma, courtship, etc. -- and so the term is also a convenient … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 04:27 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSure. I can understand that fear a little bit. But I still think the big primary obstacle to dating/mating/relationships that are leaving many feeling lonely and unfulfilled is that our phones (primary vector to the internet now) are filled with the worlds' best and most beautiful people and you can form parasocial relationships with them, often with endless variety and novelty. This impacts both men and women, perhaps in different ways but ultimately equally. Most normal people are correct to f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 08:22 PM |
| 4 | Men are looking for casual sex and fwbs whether you want to hear it or not.Easy way to solve this whole thing and close this thread up. Men are looking for: *casual sex *fwb *a little virgin trad woman to marry and have kids Most men are looking for all of these, in whatever quantity they can get for the first two and whatever quality they can get for the last one. Men with low-tier sexual market value acknowledge they can't get the first two and assume they are at least entitled to the third by bypassing the first two bullets, and when they can't even get the third, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 06:27 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI can do better crowd work than Matt Rife You don't have those abs or cheekbones though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 06:15 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWomen flat out do not say this though. They will say "I can spend time doing my hobbies and spending time with my family and friends and get satisfaction from that." Men are roughly saying/doing the same thing, except men spend more time focused on their hobbies and less friendships and family. Hmm. Not sure I understand you. I suppose I do agree though that women would not articulate their experiences the way I did. But I do think men on the internet spend a lot of time ruminating that they are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 05:53 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadReally? I have two friends who do that and I find it incredibly offensive. Yep! We all know those people. If you *only* know two, you're probably blessed. I think it's like most people under forty. And it is offensive! But I think even if it's not so transparent -- so even if the people you're interacting with aren't doing it to your face -- the impacts of the 'attention economy' on dating and romance are manifest. See above. It's not just the obvious poor etiquette of "using your phone when soc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 05:35 PM |
| 9 | The only reason women have such an extreme upper hand in dating is for one simple reason - men are way hornierWhat those people don't understand is that women's libidos are heavily contextual. The switch has to be flipped. While wanting sex is basically men's default state. I think this is true. But it's probably also true that most female's libidinal energies (the ability to flip their switch on) will simply not be available to most men. PUA guys and some RedPiller types will try to sell men on this (either literal products or just the ideas themselves) that some combination of frame and/or game will b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 05:19 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWait y is this kinda making a little sense You can notice this phenomenon all the time. Whether you're out with your spouse, on a date, out with friends, co-workers, etc. My experience (not even so much in a romantic context) is that if you do any socializing, inevitably there is going to be a pause or a moment of recalibration and the people you are out with -- many people -- ESPECIALLY like if you're younger than 40 -- are reaching for their phones. It's subtle and a bit exaggerated. But at th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 04:38 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadCMV: Most of the mutual frustrations in modern dating from both sexes is that neither can really compete with strangers on the internet So: Women struggle to compete with beautiful women on Instagram, and in porn, and likely the situation is going to get worse as AI and sex doll improve. Men are also increasingly distracted by ever-more entertaining games, watching sports, etc. and the ability to indulge in these online. This is actually a double bind: men are putting in far less effort, as, blu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 04:27 PM |
| 7 | The biggest flaw in these discussions is that all of us participants walked different paths in life since childhood, yet we judge and debate each other like if we were from the same walkKind of related here: https://www.theonion.com/when-will-the-idiots-on-the-other-end-of-the-political-1819585042 <image> | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 04:00 PM |
| 2 | The real truth about women and nice guysEven as a pretty normie guy, I’ve kind of given up on the idea of meeting my soul mate or something. I think most relationships have an expiry date, unless you end up in a super long marriage like my parents. But I think for a lot of those long marriages they let themselves go and the sex goes out the window. I think I might just try to have girlfriends that last a couple years or something. I think lifelong monogamy is a bit of a stretch, and I don’t want kids anyway so that’s not needed to rai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/23 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Most men today be lucky to even be in arms reach of making 6 figures https://www.capitalone.com/learn-grow/money-management/what-is-the-average-salary-in-the-us-by-age/ Median income for men aged 18-38 -- at least in the US -- is ~$55,000 but that is influenced by the fact that many men aged 18-22 don't make any money because they're in school. Get a Bachelor's degree of any kind and the median salary of men aged > 24 is ~$83k. That includes workers up to the age of 64, though. Agree that six fi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/23 05:13 PM |
| 1 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.That is basically what you are saying here. Millionaire is your word and I didn't say that nor do I think it. I'll repeat my advice again: Men should aspire to do their best and climb status hierarchies and their mating / dating / relationships will improve. Men who I see complaining the most -- they are often younger and either need time to ascend, or they aren't trying because they're immature and don't understand how the world works, but the hopeful thing is they have the time to adjust and d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/23 05:07 PM |
| 1 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.One common like, I dunno, Fresh and Fit or Andrew Tate trope is that all these hot Insta girls are flown out to get fucked on boats in Dubai or some shit. A little insane and definitely not true. It is in fact true. There's been stories about it even. Obviously its not every single hot Instragram woman, but its a small portion that do work as prostitutes. Sure, obviously there are like some few hundred, maybe even more, maybe there are even a few thousand Insta model types -- women who are out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/23 04:56 PM |
| – | Women are 100% repelled by genuinely kind men and respond positively to being mistreatedThey want the middle of the two extremes. I think most of your post here is great, but just want to point out here that I do not see "confidence/cockiness/self-assuredness" and "niceness" as two opposite ends of the spectrum. Men really need to think this through. But successful dating/mating/relationships and appealing to women requires both. You need to be confident and strong and then your niceness needs to spring forth from there. Building yourself as a man should first involve a foundation … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/23 05:58 PM |
| – | Women are 100% repelled by genuinely kind men and respond positively to being mistreatedYou can be nice and kind and attractive, provided you are strong and your kindness and niceties come from a place of strength and abundance and with no expectation of reciprocity. Almost by definition, acts are only nice and kind if they come free of expectation of that same treatment in return. Otherwise it's maybe just a social norm, or an implicit or explicit trade. If it's a social norm, you should get no special credit for doing it. And if it's an implicit/explicit trade -- that is, if your… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/23 05:47 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Some of the red pill podcast ideologies are outright ridiculousRight. I think that's the blunt answer to the OP's question: RedPill podcast bros say outrageous things for engagement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/23 04:01 PM |
| 9 | CMV: Some of the red pill podcast ideologies are outright ridiculousRemember it takes time and effort to produce a podcast. The motivations for doing it might genuinely be to promote ideologies, improve mens' lives, share information, etc. But *generally speaking* the people who put in the effort are trying to generate revenue from their efforts. That produces an incentive structure to exaggerate, titillate, enflame your emotions and senses, flatter your ego, etc. and perhaps not necessarily reflect reality or good advice that will improve your life. So engage w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/23 01:39 PM |
| 0 | The problem with stepdads is that most of the time these women wouldn't date them if they didn't have kidsShe doesn’t say a negative thing about him other than her mom’s friends - who are now jealous of their relationship - not thinking he was good enough Quote from the OP: " But objectively, he's a bit of a chump. " Also: some references to his disability, his lack of confidence, his inability to date or land a woman besides his mom into his 30s That's ...kind of a lot of negativity in there. More than just third-hand reporting about the friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 03:44 PM |
| 11 | The problem with stepdads is that most of the time these women wouldn't date them if they didn't have kidsI think there's a huge vast difference between: *a guy who goes out into the relatively safe modern world looking to pick fights on behalf of a woman to prove his alpha-ness, in situations that aren't that dangerous -- characteristics that I can imagine would absolutely turn off a woman (even if it would seem to align with what I said) That is very different from: *a guy who seems temperamentally or simply unable to confront people, situations, and problems and seems to have a personality that a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 02:54 PM |
| 9 | The problem with stepdads is that most of the time these women wouldn't date them if they didn't have kidsShe basically says her step dad is an awesome guy. Why wouldn’t a woman want an awesome guy? They’ve been together for almost 30 years He’s happy and she’s calling him a chump. For being happy Sure. She is. She does say some of that. But is that REALLY what the OP is communicating, though? Is she REALLY saying he's a great catch for her mom? I mean, that's one way to read it. The words as written. And only some of them ("he's a saint.") There are plenty of other words and implications ("my mom's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 02:45 PM |
| 8 | The problem with stepdads is that most of the time these women wouldn't date them if they didn't have kidsShe’s making a lot of assumptions. Nowhere does she say her mom regrets her choice. She just thinks her mom could because OP wouldn’t have dated her step dad Sometimes third-parties are better and more honest observers of relationship dynamics than the people intertwined in the relationship themselves. You think the mom is ever going to say or even admit to herself "I married a de facto evolutionary manlet because I needed the help, and traded the remains of my sexual value to an undesirable man… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 01:59 PM |
| 2 | The problem with stepdads is that most of the time these women wouldn't date them if they didn't have kidsthis man is so beaten down, passive, weak and simpy he doesn't even dare utter a word about his own misery, lest his shadow hear and throw a punch at him. He's internalized it and done his best and accepted the barest scraps of female affection he could get. If this was the case OP would’ve mentioned this. Yet he didn’t AFAIS. Not explicitly! But reading between the lines, she absolutely did. Isn’t OP a man? OP has flair that says she's a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 01:42 PM |
| 12 | The problem with stepdads is that most of the time these women wouldn't date them if they didn't have kidsWhat is your end goal here? Why do you argue with me? I never said OP's not honest. I still think OP is insufferable and you won't change my mind. I agree the OP's thoughts are disagreeable, perhaps extremely so. We agree there. None of this explains or defends your role trying to scold her into silence or get her to do more virtuous anonymous internet posting. I appreciate OP's honesty, and I think the people who want to henpeck the OP's character should trust that both the OP and all the audie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 01:21 PM |
| 40 | The problem with stepdads is that most of the time these women wouldn't date them if they didn't have kidsIn the OP's defense, she's doing it anonymously on an internet forum. Obviously none of it is flattering. I'm not going to criticize the OP too much for Thoughtcrime. It's obviously unsavory that she's concluded these things, but you know, that's life...not all sunshine and rainbows. If we want women and men to be honest, and do it in this space, scolding people for their harsh and blunt honesty is undesirable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 12:31 PM |
| 14 | The problem with stepdads is that most of the time these women wouldn't date them if they didn't have kidsI mean the ultimate kick in the ass here is that the OP herself clearly and deeply disrespects the man despite all his positive qualities and efforts stepping in to help. Just a huge L for my dude the stepdad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 12:15 PM |
| 9 | The problem with stepdads is that most of the time these women wouldn't date them if they didn't have kidsThe difference is. Those women often tell you they were miserable. They’ll go to other women prompted or unprompted and tell them don’t do xyz like they did because they were miserable. Then women internalize it and parrot it. You’re making a false equivalence since this guys step dad said himself said he’s happy with his life. I mean I'm kinda torn here on this OP, but it could be the absolutely same factors are playing out: this man is so beaten down, passive, weak and simpy he doesn't even da… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 11:47 AM |
| 17 | The problem with stepdads is that most of the time these women wouldn't date them if they didn't have kidsGood for you. But a lot women avoid guys like this like the plague. Yeah, I don't get it. I sometimes don't get it either. But life isn't fair. Being a nice person isn't always rewarding. Passive polite nice guys ARE usually pretty feminine, or at least their non-confrontational nature gets coded that way. Women either see or usually assume he won't confront a man or a situation that is threatening. Heterosexual women (understandably) want a polarity. That is, they want to fuck men, not women. T… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 11:18 AM |
| 1 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Is there value in a man who is lesser? I think so, but perhaps just not as a reproductive option in their current state. Lesser men can have potential, though. You can think of it this way. Consider beautiful fertile women. Young men say aged 13-20 going to be lower tier in the hierarchy (wealth, physical strength, status, stature in the community) and not have much present value, but have a lot of potential. Some female, almost always their peers aged 13-20 will mate with those men based off of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 11:08 AM |
| 2 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Why not just say lesser men ie losers just drop all attempts of dating? Because that seems to be your message/point here. Hmm. I don't think men necessarily operate a fixed position in life. Many (not all) are capable of improvement. So for instance, getting older and wealthier, focusing on your career and physique, building wealth and assets, and then focusing on dating later into adulthood is probably achievable path to success for a lot of guys. Many guys are losers simply because they're you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/23 08:20 PM |
| 1 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.I agree that notable Red Pill authorities lead men astray a bit by telling them to ignore formal education for hustle grind whatever like bitcoin trading, blue collar work, drop shipping grift scams, or whatever else. For better or worse, women are looking for the credential of a college degree as a status marker. We can debate whether they should, but I am convinced they mostly do. And so lacking formal education credentials can be a subtle problem for men, especially for mid-tier and above wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/23 06:33 PM |
| 3 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.The main reason "Chad" is brought up is because he proves that if you are physically attractive enough, all of the other bullshit criteria and hoops women set for men, are just that... bullshit. They don't matter. They love what high status men can provide, take away the status the love goes with it. Poof. All men eventually learn this. Hmm. So which is it?: *Women are horny for the Chad archetype 6'3 muscle bound dudes with chiseled jaws or *they're gold digging bitches who flee once the bank… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/23 02:43 AM |
| 3 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.In the past these loser men were sent to die on the battlefield. Yeah, I think modern lower-tier men in the west thinking they have it bad now probably need to think a bit deeper here. Many (most?) men in history were born, died, and labored, and didn't once come near a vagina once they got out of their mother's. Perspective helps. It's difficult to prove or know because "humanity" isn't a unified or cohesive thing, social norms are very contextual -- and yet in most times and in most places, th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/23 01:10 AM |
| 5 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Yep, sheer unmitigated profit. A huge (50%!) of the population who quite stunningly happened to be well suited to the labor force due to technology advancement which happens to be less dependent on strength. The huge potential of untapped labor who adjusted shocking well to advanced education. There is no way that women are going back to the kitchen or any of those other unpaid jobs. You can outsource those jobs anyway into tidy little franchises which pay taxes! It’s all win all the way down in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/23 01:07 AM |
| 2 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Right. It's a difficult needle to thread, but two things are true: *there are no great solutions to make everyone happy; no magic spell to get every dude a woman, or the quality of woman they want. I don't have any answers. Sorry. *various political and social-norm revenge fantasies are useless, often self-destructive answers The correct answer is really just to rebuild our communities and bonds of social solidarity such that men (and women) who are going to get left behind in mating and dating … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/23 08:20 PM |
| 2 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Men are competing in male competition hierarchies and getting depressed at losing because getting love and comfort from women is contingent on winning in the hierarchy. Hmm, dunno. I understand precisely what you're saying, but if I were you, I'd I'd re-read it and check this sentence a few times over. I think this is where your mindset falls apart. This sentence here is doing A LOT of heavy lifting but I think it's contentious. Probably untrue. High status men often win because they are very ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/23 08:05 PM |
| 3 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Well, you're not wrong. It still going to end-up into a net loss of happiness for everyone except those at the top with their harem. This is difficult to prove. And certainly kind of pop-evo-psych rather than formally scientific or historic. But I'll say it anyway and call it 'loosely' true. That is: there's PROBABLY some truth to the idea that top tier men operating harems + enslaving lower tier men...led to a lot of human progress over the course of history. It improved the gene pool and then … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/23 07:34 PM |
| 7 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Anyway, it's useless to asks the slaves to work their butt off to keep society floating, it's over now I dunno bro. Think this is...kinda how it's worked forever. Now that's very glib, I agree. "Humanity" has never been one thing. But anthropology can helpful here! Tribal, pre-modern human societies were kinda organized like this! Not always, in all times, and in all places. But the general structure of human society is something like: top tier men took the spoils of the world, including women, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/23 05:50 PM |
| 12 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.It still doesn't change my point though. I see that you support evo-psy. Since it is clear that female nature left unchecked produces massive damage (criminals and bullies reproducing more than law-abiding, smart people for example) why shouldn't men collectively decide that feminism was bullshit and undo the damage? This just sounds like a total fairy tale. See my last post above. Many men -- the winners in life -- talented people, handsome dudes, strong dudes, capital owners, successful men in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/23 05:37 PM |
| 12 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Another girl boss who doesn't realize that if men were fed up with her bullshit (see: afghanistan) Also this bit is worth responding to. And I am not a fortune teller. But this is a bit of an empty threat from lesser men too. Elites in the west ain't gonna let you go forcing women back in a burqa and back to the kitchen and out of schools, partly because huge amounts of western economies depend on skilled female labor and no one is giving up their wealth-generating abilities and skills, and that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/23 05:29 PM |
| 5 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Good luck bro! I think you've got the right attitude. You sound like you'll be fine. Just takes a lot of time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/23 05:26 PM |
| 9 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Not sure it matters my dude, but I'm a man. And I think the fact that women are largely in a lot of "work with children and the sick roles" (teaching, nursing, elderly care, social work) demonstrates women are good at providing emotional support generally. That is to say, society at large has funneled women into these roles partly because women seek them and partly because women are good at them. So I disagree with your points, and I think women are largely way better than men at generic "caring… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/23 05:13 PM |
| 3 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.This isn't necessarily true, I am a male loser in terms of looks and dating but I don't lash out to anyone, the men who lash out have just not fully swallowed the blackpoll and realized lashing is pointless. I agree. Lashing out is pointless. I think a lot of men have come to terms with it. If it matters, I do not know you at all but I would not discount the way hard work can benefit you. It will just take a long time. Gymcelling effects are real: being lean and strong will go a long way in impr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/23 04:44 PM |
| 26 | Male Behavior Toward Female Success is a Supporting Case For Hypergamy.Men are incredibly hierarchical. This is both good and bad. There are winners and losers in everything. There 1st, 2nd, 3rd and last place. When a woman is introduced to a male hierarchy it makes it more complicated, it makes her his competition. Having a male beat you in the hierarchy is one thing have a female beat you is a whole other. Males lower on the hierarchy who get bested by a woman start to question his own masculine competence. She is a threat to him and his manhood. He must lash out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/23 04:31 PM |
| 2 | Women genuinely have to do nothing to attract men. The double standard is ridiculous.I'mma go mystical woo woo on you bro, but those initial attraction moments and whatever built into your relationship -- both of you probably sensed your true natures faster than any scientist could detect. Humans are intensely social. I'll cape for you for a bit and assume maybe you just found a really difficult woman. That happens. Sometimes they have difficult upbringings, traumas, bad dads, whatever. Those women develop a very hardened, combative exterior to survive. Now you, a gentler sweet … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Women genuinely have to do nothing to attract men. The double standard is ridiculous.Just to be clear and take it from kinda Red Pill psuedo science to a higher level of psuedo science. If you follow the Jungian psychology model, women are thinking something like this: *I am deep down conflict avoidant, I want to get back into my feminine frame and not battle with people, I want to chill out and be sweet and feminine That's where she wants to get to. Now she meets you. You attract her, however you did it. Now you're in a relationship. You're a man, she wants you to do the confli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 10:11 PM |
| 2 | Women genuinely have to do nothing to attract men. The double standard is ridiculous.I'm conflict avoidant. Yeah OK. Now we're getting somewhere. My guess is she coded this as weakness in you (your real problem, diagnosing from afar) and started to resent you for it. Look up "shit tests" my dude. Sounds like your women shit-tested you enough, sensed your desire not to combat her and PROBABLY concluded something like "this deeply weak man can't take me on, now I can let my freak flag fly / some better man would put me in my place / I don't feel safe anymore if he can't handle min… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 10:03 PM |
| 1 | Women genuinely have to do nothing to attract men. The double standard is ridiculous.Load the dishwasher "wrong" is grounds for a woman losing interest and fighting with you. Just wanted to point out some potentially Red Pill-ish truths here. I don't have any commentary about all that other stuff. But for anyone in the audience. Or you. I want to put some focus here. And generally speaking, if the women in your life are berating you about the dishwasher, you already lost frame somewhere upstream before that. Women have a different way of confronting men and their aggression is o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 09:44 PM |
| 1 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedok so you agree that this is a societal issue that both genders have responsibility for because both groups combined are the totality of society. Sure. But then no one needs to direct their negative or mental energies and thoughts to 'women' because women aren't really uniquely or especially involved. The OP is very into "women demonize men for their bad habits!" mindset, which feels revealing. Why is he taking a shared responsibility all humans have to care for each other and fixating on womens… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 02:41 PM |
| 2 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedWomen absolutely like men who work on themselves. There might really be women out there who call you names or bad things if you work on yourself. Hard to say, no one can police 7 billion other people from saying dumb stuff. But I am entirely confident women like men who "work in yourself, go to the gym, read, work and study a career" and any men in the audience who are reading this should absolutely trust that advice. Namely, ignore all the people who tell you otherwise, and get to work improvin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 08:29 PM |
| 2 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedI think men largely need to take almost all the first steps to escape 'loser' behaviors (sitting around fapping to porn and playing video games all day). As for the antecedents (why are men boring layabouts without much ambition) and consequents (men are useless, how do we make them more socially useful now that they're detoxing from porn and video games) -- I agree that feels more appropriately collective in nature and would involve all of us. To lay my cards on the table, a lot of the "women a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 08:21 PM |
| 3 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedI’m not sure how you can even argue that western society doesn’t bend over backwards for women’s issues at every opportunity. OK? Maybe! Feels very bait and switched again. OP: men are demonized for pursuing hobbies like sports, video games and porn Me: no You: women are receiving too many social benefits and attention Me: ??? --- Are you trying to say men need collective help escaping porn, sports and video games -- the way like a lot of female health issues like breast cancer garners a lot of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 06:21 PM |
| 3 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedAlot of these complaints feel pretty 'exception to the rule' though. *"You'll meet some guys who are like this" *"there are some threads over here on this platform" *"some girls on a podcast" My brothers in Christ, there are 7 billion people on this planet and we all have phones and internet connections, and cities are full of everything. Someone, somewhere is saying something controversial. Half of "these threads over here on social media" and "these girls on a podcast" are people consciously a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 06:04 PM |
| 4 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedI dunno, I'm a guy, do tons of male-coded shit. Watch and play sports, lift weights, invest in stocks. Drink liquor, smoke cigars. Never once felt stigmatized or unfairly criticized. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 06:01 PM |
| 3 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedKind of a bait and switch here though. Men are surely collectively struggling, SOME aspects of which are public health problems and ought to get social and collective solutions. Men who are obsessed with sports, video games, porn MIGHT BE symptomatic of those larger problems but PROBABLY are often just men making bad choices. But OK! Some amount of male 'lazy degeneracy' might be downstream of larger social problems and some might be the result of bad individual choices; we can debate where the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 05:43 PM |
| 5 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedMen who are in relationships - especially where they share a house a children with their partner - and prioritize things like sports or video games over their responsibilities are criticized , yes. And they should be. And men who are struggling in dating/attracting women who are using precious free time indulging in entertainment also come in for scrutiny and criticism. If you want love and sex and it's not coming for you, gotta spend your time differently. Men who are living their lives engaged… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 05:36 PM |
| 5 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedProblems women face: “society must address it now! 😭” Problems men face: “Waah. Cry more man child! Fix it yourself. Teehee. 💅” SOME problems men face MIGHT involve larger social dynamics! For instance, if boys are struggling in education settings -- really struggling in school, basically -- that might merit a social response. It might merit a bunch of collective action. The OP was about sitting around watching sports, playing video games, watching porn. Basically just consuming entertainment al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 05:25 PM |
| 3 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedThat’s a delusional take. Women complain all the time that modern men aren’t doing anything for them. Maybe! Shame on them, I guess. I don't see much of that, but could be happening. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 05:20 PM |
| 7 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedActually I think breast cancer is ALSO largely a problem for women to solve. They go to the doctor, get help, get treatments, whatever. That can involve men and women. And: I never once, not once said social problems don't or can't involve women, can't involve their energies as a way to solve collective social problems. And so, yes: for guys that are losers, it IS largely their problem to solve. Somewhere in here you're trying to argue, I think, that guys are losers, into porn/sports/video games… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 05:19 PM |
| 2 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedI'm saying that if men collectively are sad or committing a lot of suicide, I don't think that magically conjures up a bunch of unique burdens on women. That is not preaching a separatist movement. I'm saying that collective male sadness is not a problem for women to solve. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 05:15 PM |
| 7 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedNo, there's a lot if "men who like sports are evil wife beaters" discourse too. Liking things that (most) women don't like is framed as violent misogyny. This is getting difficult to follow. I agree huge amounts of men like sports, a small minority of them beat up women. I don't see male coded hobbies and passions coded as misogyny. Is that really common?! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 05:13 PM |
| 5 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedOK? Could be! I can't follow every feminist academic around. How much social power are you giving these people? Still I maintain: feminist academics notwithstanding, a vast vast majority of people are happy to let men game and watch sports and leave them to that. What I see is when men veer into asking for love, affection and sex -- you'll start to people scrutinize their habits. That is fair to do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 05:10 PM |
| 3 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedthe most basic is that these guys are losers and it’s their problem, not for women to solve, but I’ve seen much worse I'll say it. I'm a man. It is their problem to solve and it's not women's jobs to collectively save men, my dude. If that's upsetting, sorry? Not sorry. I'm not cheering on male suicide and I think communities should do more to help those struggling. That's an "all of us" burden. As you say. What do women in particular really have to do with any of that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 05:05 PM |
| 3 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedBecause that is normalized. Men being called "pigs" in disney films is not condemned, for example. Sincere question: in what Disney film are men called pigs? Like, maybe Beauty and the Beast or something? I don't remember the gag and I'm not an expert nor am I going to go find a script or rewatch, but I remember a gag where Gaston ends up in a mud puddle with a pig. I think that's pretty clearly a commentary about Gaston and not necessarily like 'men.' But maybe it is? Big picture though. The ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 04:55 PM |
| 4 | Men who are not obsessed with women are also demonizedHonestly, if men are obsessed with sports, gambling, video games, porn and DO NOT BOTHER WOMEN by whining in their direction -- that is to say, if men don't complain about their lack of sex, or female nature, etc. -- I've hardly ever observed or seen women complain or demonize men who go about their business and live their lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 04:46 PM |
| 2 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableI think a big obstacle going forward for societies in general will be the heavy addictions to gaming and porn. I feel like we are already seeing the effects of these things and the toll they are taking. They really do interfere with healthy development , and building healthy habits and ways of living. Absolutely. Life will offer you easy paths. A HUGE SKILL FOR MEN is knowing that the easy path is usually a Siren Song and choosing to sail elsewhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 04:11 PM |
| 5 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableThis is spot on.. the men here really don't like to hear that. But it is exactly what women see as a red flag and don't want to deal with. Being good at providing strengths that help out with getting through life together in other aspects, as you mentioned often do make up for a lack of being an "emotional cuddle dude" as you put it. Most women can deal with that, and are very satisfied in relationships with men that provide all the other things you mentioned. Exactly. I'm torn because I feel sy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 12:52 PM |
| 3 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableI don’t think that much women get it I think a lot of women naturally and innately understand that they are valued in part as sex objects and as wombs for children, and for their nurturing abilities with those children. See my spiel above about social media, cosmetics, etc. It seems obvious a lot of women are trying to look pretty and get themselves some male attention. Would be a lie to argue otherwise. Many women want to be valuable above and beyond that, and so pursue education, careers, stab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 09:17 PM |
| 1 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableThere are other sorts of relationships and people, even if you don't believe it. Actually I believe this deeply, which is why I think men should consider sharing their emotions with their male friends, brothers, golf buddies, mens' groups, whatever instead of relying on their romantic partners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 08:41 PM |
| 3 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonablewomen should accept what they are wanted for. I mean I dunno bro, I log into instagram or whatever. Tits and ass and makeup and filters everywhere. More broadly, female cosmetics industry is enormous, they're always doing shit like buying makeup, getting pedicures, fixing their hair. All that. I think they get it. You seem to be getting around to trying to say that because of some stuff feminists say, men are entitled to behave like women. I think men would do well to reconsider that chain of lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 08:37 PM |
| 2 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonablewhat men want is what women have; they want to be desired more so for other stuff not related to their status and money, like happens to women. I mean I don't even know what to say. You might be describing what a lot of men want! I'm not disputing that. Men are really struggling today. You might be accurately describing a lot of men's genuine desires. But here's what you're saying: men want to behave like and have the desires of women, and women should respect that and want a romantic relationsh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableNo, I'm pointing out that many men in the Red Pill attempted to earn love through being a provider, but were left whenever their usefulness is reduced for some reason. Sure. Now we're getting closer here to some useful and practical advice for men. Which is to say, yeah, "in sickness and in health" is blue pilled romantic nonsense, and men better be ready to stay productive and continue to be her best option as long as she has any other options. That sounds horrifying until you remember she's go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 08:25 PM |
| 2 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableOK sure. Conceded that most women don't 'love' strangers. My point was simply that women admire and want to fuck people who have the qualities of the lead singer (leading, high status, in the spotlight, talented, competent, desired by many) and not because of the content of their lyrics. THAT is the sort of feeling men are chasing here -- to be desired for their leadership qualities, talents, competencies, etc. Men (and I guess Purple Pill Women who are titty enthusiasts) are confusing things en… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 08:13 PM |
| 1 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableWait, you're gonna have to slow down and clarify this post. Are you saying?: *RedPill men think men should be valued for their thoughts and feelings and personality and that *they complain about women who don't and therefore *"bad" men are men who have a lot of money and muscles, and lack some genuine emotional depth? That doesn't sound anything like the RedPill or what they argue; note too it's not even what I'm arguing. To lay my cards on the table, I do not think it's reasonable for men to ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 07:59 PM |
| 3 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableBut why do you have the assumption that a man that describes himself that way doesn’t earn money and support themselves? Maybe they do. If so, great. Be useful. Make money, support yourself, be component. I am NOT assuming an emotional dude is NOT also useful and productive. I AM saying it is a bad impulse for a dude to expect they should be loved for their emotions instead of their usefulness. What’s women’s role then? What’s women’s role then? To be young, submissive and supportive? Cause me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 07:55 PM |
| 2 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableBe useful enough for a woman and she will love you, guaranteed. Now before you go full-incel on me and tell me lots of guys try to be useful and it never works, I didn't say that was sufficient or there weren't pre-qualifying steps. But anyway, put differently. You guys realize women love the lead singer of bands because he's high status and often demonstrates competency playing an instrument or singing, and draws a bunch of positive attention to himself, NOT because of the emotional resonance o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 07:32 PM |
| 1 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableYeah, sure. I agree. Just to bring it full circle, then, though. It STILL seems totally zany for me for men to sit around expecting women should value men for their emotions. I think we're goalpost-shifted a bit here to say it's OK for men to have emotions and need an outlet for them. Fine, maybe. I maintain that attraction and retention of women is understandably and justifiably a mix of who you are as a man (your status, your wealth, your height, your muscles, your friend group, your lifestyle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 06:31 PM |
| 1 | The average American man is much more redpilled than you thinkMaybe. I understand what you're saying, but I think my point still stands. Which is to say even if men have no exposure whatsoever to notable RedPill dudes, regardless of the medium, the thing RedPillers are doing is mixing some amount of truisms and descriptions of reality -- that most men agree with -- and mixing in more controversial stuff that is debatable, disagreeable, and empirically dubious. And so it's unremarkable that men agree with a lot of RedPill takes. A lot of RedPill takes are d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 06:06 PM |
| -6 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonable" Which I think is aptly demonstrated by the female idea that "you only want me for my reproductive system". They want to be seen as more than just a hole or a womb, which is perfectly reasonable, but men want to be seen as a complete person too, with thoughts and feelings and personality, not just a bank account or a bag of muscles. " You are not a woman my dude. Why do you want this? I'm deadass serious, most of the men struggling with dating and relationships honestly should focus on being a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 03:57 PM |
| 2 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableWhat a lot of men are hearing when they hear "what they provide" is "money, a house, things than come with money and doing physical labour." And to be honest, the thought of being valued in a relationship because I'm a money bank is quite sickening and repulsive. Men are humans too. We want to be loved because of our personalites, are emotions, the things we care about, the ways we express our love, the ways we make our partners feel, because we hold you when you're sick, kiss you when we're hap… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 03:41 PM |
| 2 | The average American man is much more redpilled than you thinkThe reason why your observation is true, but trite, is that the Red Pill is a bit of a grift, and they're transparently appropriating a 'Yes Ladder' from the marketing world. So the idea from sales/marketing is you start with small, easy-to-agree-with statements or requests and gradually lead the person through a series of positive responses until they are more likely to agree to a larger, far more controversial request more thoughtlessly (or make a purchase). So they're saying a handful of unco… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 10:58 AM |
| 1 | Many women want to be loved, but they don't want to love.I think this is where tradcon type males sort of inadvertently stumble onto and consequently solve a harsh redpill style reality, namely that I think it's true women often don't really unconditionally "love" men or desire deep enmeshment with men. Such that romantic relationships with women can often feel extremely transactional. At least at many stages. She's got one womb, one pussy, and let's face it, if she's attractive and aged 16-35, that shit is highly in demand and she knows it. It's real… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/23 11:43 AM |
| 1 | How many percent off taken Women/Men would cheat if the PERFECT Man/Women would appear?I’m always surprised at how much exposure your average woman has to celebrities. I’ve had several female friends who slept with famous men Many such cases. Why are you surprised though? You shouldn't be surprised. This is a common anecdote because...many women seek out famous men and will go to enormous lengths to have a sexual experience with them. If you disbelieve this, or it doesn't sound intuitive, it's because pretty much no average guy will experience women putting in effort to that degre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/23 11:55 PM |
| 2 | LOOKS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADGotta say, this sounds right to me. Nothing else matters, just don't be fat. Even if there's other issues like social anxiety, awkwardness, etc, they pale in comparison. Just. Don't. Be. Fat Yeah, kinda. I'd phrase it differently. For any man struggling with getting laid/dating/retaining women -- if you are not fit -- just stop right there wondering what's wrong. Don't ruminate any more. Don't watch any YouTube dating content. Forget the Red Pill. Stop browsing this forum. Every other potential … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/23 10:19 PM |
| 2 | LOOKS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADI don't see anything wrong with leading women on or having affairs. Hmm. I'd say having affairs might be a bridge-too-far for me to endorse, at least categorically. Perhaps I could be convinced that if women establish Dead Bedroom style environments for their still attractive husbands or are otherwise disengaged from the marriage, not putting in effort, etc. etc. then perhaps that scenario is different. Obviously some women might accept an open marriage. But knowing nothing else, without an exce… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/23 05:26 PM |
| 7 | LOOKS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADCMV: Mildly overweight, fat and obese men are drastically handicapping themselves in dating …and the body fat percentage to get to ‘traditionally’ attractive is relatively low — lower than most would guess. I’d guess ~18% body fat is bordering on attractive, but more likely men need to get to sub 15% a baseline to attract a majority of women in most environments. Now, it goes without saying that… *Some men with enough charisma, charm, engaging personality, or status and wealth etc. can overcome … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/23 04:46 PM |
| 2 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksExactly! Almost every girl I've had a relationship I met through mutual friends. I think that's how 'healthier' socialization is supposed to work. If you read PPD closely, I'm convinced an enormous part of the struggle for men is symptomatic of the fact that they aren't making male friends first. Or that their male friendships are sort of very 'digital' or superficial, and they are not going through typical male ritual socialization patterns (risk taking, controlled combat, endurance challenges,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 10:58 PM |
| 1 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksI didn't go through fear/anxiety/pain with boys. If it was about that, I'd rather stay home. I went out with them to have fun and that was it. I don't want to belabor this or be your internet-therapist-from-afar but "if going out involved any kind of fear or anxiety, I'd rather stay home" is probably genuinely the absolute root of your problem, and if you say that about yourself, I think women are correct to sense that same thing about you and consequently, they are correct to be apprehensive ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 09:21 PM |
| 1 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksI understand. There may be circumstances unique to you or perhaps your culture that generalized advice for Americans / a western audience won't resolve. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 09:14 PM |
| 0 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksNot sure how to help you but it's OK if we leave it here and all move on. Here's what I'd say: I absolutely don't get how physical pain prepares you for rejection. Google or spend some time researching Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. You know, the idea that you do some things to learn to help prepare yourself and cope for experiencing that thing again. In this case, fear/anxiety/pain. Going through fear/anxiety/pain with your boys helps prepare you for it with women. Obviously thousands of generat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 09:09 PM |
| 2 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksBecause dating and interacting with women in general are inherently social activities. Boys and men who rarely socialize or take risks in life are going to be at a disadvantage when it comes to getting out there, meeting women, and then knowing how to talk to them and maintain their interest. Absolutely! Also shrewd and frankly wise women are going to look for this very thing -- that is, they're going to vet your friends. Women are going to rightfully expect you have some. Even better if you and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 08:33 PM |
| 1 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risks" How is it preparation for dating relationships with women? It has nothing in common with it. It could not be more different. " See above. Male bonding is great prep for women and dating/mating: *Men do risk-taking things together and through that, build experience for risk-taking that involves approaching women and dating women, etc. So bluntly, men experience what fear and anxiety is and how to deal with it and still competently attend to a task. Go jump off some bridges with your boys, or ra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 08:24 PM |
| 3 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksI knew who a dude who was awesome at like trivia, a generally kinda quiet bookish nerd guy, but he had swag playing trivia and got a ton of girls in Quiz Bowl -- those competitions where you travel from school to school and do trivia competitions. It's kind of male dominated but there are a significant amount of girls involved, maybe ~25-35% female. Point is: Bro was amogging the Quiz Bowl scene in college. Now it goes without saying these aren't your traditional Instagram-model looking girls he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 07:50 PM |
| 1 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksI have been with groups of dudes all my life. It never did for me anything related to dating. It's a bunch of feel good nonsense. That's life too. Sometimes genuinely helpful advice won't help everyone. Some people will go to school and work hard and end up poor; some people will eat well and abstain from drugs and alcohol and get cancer. Some people will of course have male friends and struggle with women. Still, leaning into and focusing on male friendships and socializing with other men from … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 07:31 PM |
| 1 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksI really don't perceive what you sense at the macro scale. A few bullet point responses: *never had a problem expressing tasteful or distasteful sexual interests at the appropriate time(s). The appropriate times: 1) with your boys 2) in the correct settings with women (e.g., at work or random girls you see at the gym are generally inappropriate, bars and parties and tailgates at concerts or some shit are far more appropriate. Go to these places with your boys, you'll have more space to let your … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 04:50 PM |
| 0 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksIt's OK if you want to complain. I wanted to validate you a bit that -- you're correct -- people without great genetics are forced into a lot more risk-taking in dating and mating. Life isn't fair. The world isn't balanced. I do not think it logically follows not to try. Trying can be fun! Failure can be enlightening. Risk-taking and feeling pain are valid life experiences like any other. And yes, I think you come from a long line of men who likely felt enormous pain and suffered immensely and t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 04:30 PM |
| -1 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksb) the whole world is screaming blue murder about how men's sexuality is disgusting and corrupt. I see this kind of comment a lot, for what it's worth. This too is projecting a bit of weakness and a lack of confidence. And addressing this comment and this style of comment often involves your male friends and the risks you took together growing up. It's true! Bear with me here... So *what* if a lot of the world finds your sexual tastes disgusting? Why is this really bothersome to you? Are you l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 04:21 PM |
| -1 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksIf the rules of genetic reality and initial circumstances are not fair, it makes sense to many men to not play the game that is so much more rigged against them, don't you think? No. It's the opposite. You're ultimately correct that people with average or below genetics need to take more risks to compensate. And? You're from an unbroken line of thousands of men who came before you and managed to cope with your family's genetic profile and reproduce. Probably by taking a fair number of risks. You… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 02:25 PM |
| 3 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksAn obvious 'less masculine', potentially niche maxxxing hobby / place to take risks and demonstrate some balls that women adore are focusing on the arts, music, theatre, and public performance and that kind of thing. Being a musician or into theater, being an artist who exhibits their material, etc. won't be universally attractive to every women but there's are countless women who adore it and will provide plenty of opportunities to meet women, flirt, date/fuck, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 01:58 PM |
| 7 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksOP is correct. A huge problem for modern men are the lack of male friends and activities beyond video games. Glibly -- the path for coming-of-age is something like: groups of dudes get together, do a bunch of dumb shit, maybe experience some pain, maybe not. They bond, they socialize, they share notes about women. Results: *Men get experience feeling some pain or anxiety from doing dumb shit or taking a risk *You can do some drugs or get wasted with them and they have your back and get you home … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 01:44 PM |
| 7 | The men here fail because they refuse to take any risksChad is attractive and confident enough that he doesn't need to play the role of a circus monkey Where do you think Chad's confidence comes from my bro? Parties, drugs, motorcycles. OP is correct and assigning Chad's confidence to genetics is cope. Chad has balls, women sense it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/23 01:30 PM |
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