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Progressdonthatemeloljoke/r/MensRights04/03/22 01:20 PM
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I didn't say he was abusive ?! I said aggressive. Very different
/r/MensRights28/04/22 09:08 PM
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but they like men who identify as women and women who identify as men. Do they? Isn't there a trasphobic element to some feminists? "Terfs"
/r/MensRights28/04/22 09:03 PM
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56 mps are under investigation for sexual harrassment And on top of that. Around the same time the porn accusation came about. Another MP made comment about Angela Raynor trying to "distract" the opposition with her body 💀
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:58 PM
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Lol idk
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:36 PM
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Ye. True. But they do care. And I think that's notable.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:35 PM
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Why is it televised? Is it a choice? Or a USA thing that all of them get on TV?
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:29 PM
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Personally. I find it more sad when men who aren't millionairs are accused and lose finances/social standing through false allegations. I understand why he's the poster boy, famous and public. But I think there are more worthy heroes
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:27 PM
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Show us the Web page your talking about
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:17 PM
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It was not that long ago, so why the sudden silence ? But what do you want them to say? What are you hoping they'd say? If you're wanting them to say "we were wrong, Ah is trash". Is isn't going to happen. The same way this sub doesn't do that. Also gender issues that are strictly related to one gender are rare. Genders can only exist in relation to each others so many if not all gender issues are linked. So yes, heard was and still is a case about gender issues that can be analysed trought a MR…
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:10 PM
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I didn't say it eas a fact. I just gave some examples of why they might not post about it. The chances are, its probably against sub rules to post anything that isn't a woman's issue
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:07 PM
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Ye and it must be horrid for him to have it all talked about in public. The fact its televised is a bit weird to me
/r/MensRights28/04/22 07:03 PM
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Ye, I know. What's she done is bad. Ofc. But feminism obvs doesn't agree with her. I say this because I haven't seen their subs talk about it. They're not actively supporting her. Some crazy individuals online might be, idk. But feminism platforms don't seem to be?
/r/MensRights28/04/22 07:00 PM
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Her being an abuser doesn't make him a hero. I agree she is more to blame in all this. But no issue is totally one sided. There has been evidence he has been aggressive and whatnot within the relationship too. It is good that he is standing up for himself against the claims she made. But their whole relationship sounds like a mess imo
/r/MensRights28/04/22 06:48 PM
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It does happen, but I would say it happens less and also in a more understandable way. "Society doesn't care about men" makes more sense to me than a woman saying that women are mainly abused for being women. It difficult to say which is more important. If you don't experience one, you can't know. I mean.. thats why as a woman I am here to learn, I know I dont know. And "women being abused because they're women". From my experience, that does happen. But as you've not experienced it, you'd have …
/r/MensRights28/04/22 06:37 PM
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The majority of people probably didn't even know it was happening before this televised trial. And it isn't deflection at all.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 06:32 PM
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Tbf I never suggested here that feminism was about men's right or totally equality. Feminism is about advocating to women so they are equal to men... equality being the end goal. Time to admit feminism as it stands does not want equality or rights for men. I don't think that can be used to critics feminism. As this sub isn't for women's right... yet ofc equality is the goal
/r/MensRights28/04/22 05:29 PM
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Not everything is gendered. Maybe AH thinks it is. But I don't think the world does. If it was.. the fact that the Internet is behind Johnny, disproves everything ever said on this sub Eg, women are automatically believed and men are automatically blamed.. that hasn't happened
/r/MensRights28/04/22 05:27 PM
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Ye. Maybe i didn't word it right. Idk lol. I'm not saying them removing it was right. Just that I can understand it. (It might even be becuaee i post here too) And I can understand why they're not talking about it. Because why would they?
/r/MensRights28/04/22 05:21 PM
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I don't think MRA's keep insisting that all bad things that men experience are gendered. Atleast not to the same magnitude that feminists do. I'd say mra do it less than fems. But it still happens. I saw a post a few months ago saying "only men suffer loneliness". Not that there is no violence that is gendered or atleast influenced by gender roles, but it is not always the case yet feminism lumps everything bad that women experience together as if it was done merely because they are women. This …
/r/MensRights28/04/22 05:16 PM
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I can conceed the mods are to blame. But I won't blame the users. Eg. Rule 1 of this sub is "it has to be about men's right". Its the same thing there I expect
/r/MensRights28/04/22 05:07 PM
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My evidence is - there is no evidence. If you wish to prove me wrong, you must supply evidence Oh. I just saw your edit. You want me to post about any bad man in the media? And if this sub hasn't made comment, I am right? Sounds pretty easy lol. Like my UK mps sexism thing I just a second ago remarked on
/r/MensRights28/04/22 05:04 PM
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If you can show me a post in this sub that proves me wrong. I welcome it.. please show me
/r/MensRights28/04/22 05:02 PM
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Oh right. And you like it when that happens? Because the other user was suggesting mra should do exactly that to feminists
/r/MensRights28/04/22 05:01 PM
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I am making no judgement on either. I am just saying people within subs need to/have no choice but to, follow that subs rules
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:59 PM
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I'm sorry, wow what. How can I provide evidence, when my point is, there is none? But... what I am saying is.. I have never seen a post here that denounce a man. Uk mps are currently under the spotlight re sexists comments. I wouldn't expect this sub to pass comment or make judgement on that. As it isn't a MensRight issue. What don't you understand
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:57 PM
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Idk..I'm not some feminism spokes person or encyclopedia Just sounds like you guys are holding feminism to a higher standard than you hold mra
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:41 PM
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Posting about women issues is permitted and happens often enough, you just have to relate it to MRM. Otherwise, why post it here ? Exactly. So why would a feminist sub talk about depp/heard? It isn't a woman's issue The Amber case was about women issues when it was first discussed, Amber is still a representative of UN women despite having proof of her abusing Depp. How in the world can a sane person honestly believe that "this isn't a gendered issue anymore". The case was always about genders a…
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:40 PM
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It is absolutely a men's right issue. But it doesn't have anything to do with women.. In the same sense.. a random man harassing a woman doesn't have anything to do with MRA
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:36 PM
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Ye I don't get it either. I posted about depp/heard of a feminist sub to see what would happen. It got taken down. A women's issue post would get taken down here too lol
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:35 PM
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Ye. I just think it's a weak argument lol
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:33 PM
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Feminists rally it's 100% true, or at least it looks like it. Sure. But, in the case of heard/depp, fems haven't publicly claimed she is still "believable". As evidence outweighs the claims. You see my point tho. It's 2 sides of the same coin. Basically the same thing. MRA believes all men But often the issue is, the person who is accused is treated as guilty by default. You have crap ton of stories on it. I agree. Court of public opinion ruins lives
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:27 PM
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Lol ye. We're on the same page with this. And I get your point. Equality is Equality. But I've never understood the argument of, "no draft should mean no vote" which I see here sometimes
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:12 PM
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I'm not even saying it's right or wrong lol. Just pointing it out 😆
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:10 PM
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Ye. And i think - no one should be drafted. It shouldn't be everyone is, but instead, no one is
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:09 PM
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Try what? This subs rule #1 is, it has to be about mensright
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:08 PM
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I have no proof, you're right. But everyone here rallies around the falsely accused, without being 100% it was actually false. Know what I mean? Personally, I think it would have been big either way.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:02 PM
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Right ok. But that's confusing. Does that also mean the countries that don't have conscription, no one should vote? The men paying for kids thing - I agree. It's stupid and a double standard. No arguments from me there
/r/MensRights28/04/22 03:57 PM
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It's not gendered issue it affects both. Honestly this is the whole issue with feminism and MRA. Most things aren't gendered issues, but both act like they are. You can even see it now with DV. Because plenty of people can share sources that show it does happen nearly equally they start with. "If woman attacks a man it would be classified as men's violence against women" Tbh, I rarely trust internet sources. You can often prove you're right and wrong in a few clicks.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 03:50 PM
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Lol did it? What does it prove? If I posted a "women's issue" here, that would also get removed. I am so confused. Maybe the mods are the issue, not the sub?
/r/MensRights28/04/22 03:46 PM
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Ye and I get that. And therefore I understand why this sub is so invested now its been shown that the opposite is true. But.. its come on. You would also believe and support a man who accused a woman of all those things.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 03:39 PM
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Jeez. I am not solely talking about the west.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 03:36 PM
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Look bro. I agree. I want equality over feminism ideology. But, you cannot claim the same....or, you wouldn't be in a MensRights sub. You'd be in an equality or Egalitarianism sub. Let’s drop the pretence that feminism is just about equality. At best it’s a women’s advocacy movement. I don't think I said anywhere that feminism was about equality. I said it was a stepping stone to equality (by its actual definition). Also. Please do not quote a woman and act like that's what all women/feminist th…
/r/MensRights28/04/22 03:32 PM
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Ye OK. But my point is. some women may blame all men for a fews actions. But the majority of people are totally normal and rational and don't do that. Like, an example. I could come here and ask men to denounce the UK mps who have made sexist comments, I could ask men here to explain or talk about Tim Westwood, a UK dj who has been accused of harrassment. But obviously, you cannot speak on behalf of those things, and this isn't necessarily the forum to bring those things up. So why expect a femi…
/r/MensRights28/04/22 03:22 PM
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Ye. And I wasn't even disputing that. My entire point was... does MensRights call out bad men?
/r/MensRights28/04/22 03:10 PM
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Hmm ok. That's interesting, I'll have a look into these then, thank you. These stats and things aren't anything I've ever looked out for (wouldnt know where to start) and obviously aren't things I have experienced, so I need to be told. Studies show adult men have egalitarian or slightly female favoring general bias while adult women have very severe female favoring bias. I don't know if this matters or not. But does it include, take into account, innate responses to genders? Eg, most people wou…
/r/MensRights28/04/22 03:01 PM
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Disclaimer: please believe I am here to learn. I'm not a rotten troll. They've never tried to get the same a men In some instances, yes they did. Eg, owning their own home, voting, driving etc etc. They were advocating to have what men had (things men were given just because they were men). They go for RIGHTS for women completely ignoring the responsibilities that previously earned men those rights. Can you please elaborate?
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:57 PM
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I thought the question was implied. But nvm. Doesn't matter lol. And right ok. Fair enough. I haven't seen the studies (or things that logically conclude to it) that you might be referring to. I can think of some things tho, eg, circumcision, draft, that would back up what you're saying. But I'd also suggest, that men are often looked after in their social circles. This is anecdotal, but still... my brother suffered depression/other mental health issues. And he was helped far more by my family/s…
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:51 PM
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That isn't my definition. That was Oxford dictionaries definition 🤣 But it is correct.. the original point was the get women to the same point as men in law. In many countries feminism has achieved this on many issues
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:41 PM
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I have posted in a fem group. I'll let you know 🤷‍♀️ have a look at my posts (if it shows) hopefully it's alright / isn't taken down
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:37 PM
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No. That isn't the definition. It's "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." Swap out the word woman for man, and MensRights would be the same
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:28 PM
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But I am asking.. so why cant you explain it
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:20 PM
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Wlel feminism is for women's rights. With the added addition of, "there will only be Egalitarianism once women are equal to men". So some issues where women are still worse off, the original definition is true. In situations where there is equality, feminism isn't really the thing for it.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:12 PM
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I understand you. What I am saying is - there is no evidence this sub would react any different in similar/but gender opposite circumstances
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:09 PM
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A grey area as in... if teacher (a women let's say) was accused of harassing kids. They should be suspended from their role while they're under investigation. I agree with you tho. The court of public opinion isn't good for the innocent
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:08 PM
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But I think you're wrong. Eg. Men care about men. Partners care about husband. Parents care about sons. So I don't fully get what you mean
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:07 PM
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That's a very bleak very of the world. But ye... depends where you're from I suppose
/r/MensRights28/04/22 01:37 PM
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But you understand what I am saying right. There js a narrative here that you want equality. But it isn't obvious from what is posted
/r/MensRights28/04/22 01:37 PM
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But what if a man dies protecting another man? I get your point. Maybe men are only shown in a good light when they make a sacrifice. But it isn't for women. Not always
/r/MensRights28/04/22 12:49 PM
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But... by that logic. Should women/feminism force men's right to see all the wrongs men' commit?
/r/MensRights28/04/22 12:48 PM
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I appreciate all of that. But you don't berate fem subs for not speaking on something that is important to you guys. When you don't always speak on things important to them. I don't think what I am saying is controversial.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 12:23 PM
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How is it relevant to women's rights? I'm actually interested in your thoughts. I can't see how, but want to see how
/r/MensRights28/04/22 12:14 PM
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What y'all men don't understand about feminism is. Its often used as an umbrella term for women's rights. Some are in favour of equality, some arnt. So saying "feminists think" is always dumb
/r/MensRights28/04/22 11:49 AM
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That's not true. I often see good stories about men. But guess it depends where you live, so I won't argue on that. And idk.. I've been vilified before for being a women, by a man. Falsely accused. It’s always the reverse. So I disagree about the word always there. The Feminist sub, I remember them stronger supporting Amber a while back because of the allegations, now it’s true, they aren’t talking about it at all. OK? And you guys would support a man. And then probably go quiet about the topic …
/r/MensRights28/04/22 11:47 AM
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If the evidence was the other way around they would have had a lot to say, just like they have about all the celebrities that have been charged with abusing WOMEN. Ye ofc. And if it was the other way round (Johnny was guilty) this sub wouldn't talk about it. That's my point
/r/MensRights28/04/22 11:25 AM
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Actually.. a lot of women like "feminine' men. Look at the kpop stars. Look at rock stars who wear make up and nail varnish. The media tells men they have to be a certain way (the same way it tells women they have tk be a certain way). But normal people don't care
/r/MensRights28/04/22 11:11 AM
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I really like the mens right community. But the 'society emmasulates men' stuff you hear is toxic. A man is a man whatever he likes, whatever he's into, whatever his emotions are etc. There is no such thing as a stereotypically man or women. As long as youre not hurting anyone, people should be able to do whatever the wanna do
/r/MensRights28/04/22 11:08 AM
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Ye. That is a grey area. Because in a case where the man is genuinely guilty, it would be madness to let them continue working whilst there are allegations. So I don't know the answer to that one Kinda like the Tim Westwood thing in the UK atm. Radio dj been taken off air because of accusations. Or even the opposite. Jimmy Savile not being taken off air even though there were rumours. There's no right answer I guess
/r/MensRights28/04/22 10:56 AM
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Oh. I haven't seen any negative press about Johnny. Only bad stuff about AH. Either way, the internet has clearly picked its side
/r/MensRights28/04/22 10:54 AM
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I just don't think there much point in people being annoyed about hypotheticals. Almost as if you're quite aware of the simplest and most obvious reason for those crickets and you're running cover for it with excuses. I'd say the reason is - personally (not what feminists think). It's not a gendered issue. Women can and will call out bad women (as the internet has done in this case). The fact she is a women is secondary. But i do appreciate why men are invested for MensRights sake. And as I said…
/r/MensRights28/04/22 10:52 AM
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Ye. I guess that's true. If you're goal is wealth and working, kindness isn't a benefit. But I'd say its a good trait for society/socially And it's a werid topic. Because I'd say girls are/have always been brought up to be 'feminine & kind". But it doesn't always necessarily negatively impact theor careers. (Sometimes it does granted) Guess it depends on what you deem success is
/r/MensRights28/04/22 10:48 AM
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Or maybe they haven't said anything because they have nothing to add/ don't see it as a gendered issue / it isn't relevant to women's rights
/r/MensRights28/04/22 09:28 AM
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You can be manly and kind tho
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:16 AM
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I'm female. And I was falsely accused of harrassment (not sexual, just general) by a man. It does happen, and it was horrible. It's why I maybe have more sympathy towards men than other women might.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 07:41 AM
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I think its also notable that the internet has come out in support of Johnny. Almost seems to be regardless of ideology or leaning. I actually think this case highlights that the world doesn't automatically blame "the man" like some people here thinks it does
/r/MensRights28/04/22 07:08 AM
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So? There is also always silence here about "bad news men" stories.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 06:46 AM
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I'm female and find the idea of marriage super gross. I'm mid twenties western Europe. And barley anyone I know is married. I think its dying out.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 08:28 PM
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I'm female. And I agree. Some men (here and elsewhere) seem hyper focused on the worst of women. And say things "women shouldn't be allowed gendered spaces (gyms) because they took our clubs away 🤪" it doesn't really help anyone. As you're affecting you're entire gender and all women for th3 sake of the 5% of crazies out there.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 08:25 PM
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Ye and I appreciate that insight from you... but, the UK news at the time (and if he had of done even an tiny bit of research) would show what he was saying was nonsense lol. It was a systematic problem and people had been named. & also the fact the internal investigation basically told the victim to get over it
/r/MensRights12/04/22 08:14 PM
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Obviously a lot of people still care about marriage and divorce, else we would not be having this conversation. Well, ye. Of course. Me and people my age in my country, don't. But I am of course only speaking of personal anecdotes which isn't super relevant . There seems to be a growing divide between men and women on all manner of subjects, none more volatile than relationships between the sexes. On the Internet, yes. In real life, not necessarily. Only people who are interested and seek it out…
/r/MensRights12/04/22 05:50 PM
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Ye.. I love looking at these things in our UK census when they're published lol. I would suggest- in circumstances where women choose to be gay.. it probably doesn't result in sustainable marriages /partnerships. So it probably works itself out lol.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:50 PM
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Yeah alright. I totally get all that. And you're probably correct in it all. This current Society has maybe pushed me down a path I may have otherwise chosen. But.. I will say. In the west, we do have choice. To be single, or to marry(long term coupled). And I think choice is always better. Obviously once you take into account children, it's get grey again.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:47 PM
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Even in this country (where divorce sounds fairer) people I know my age (late 20s), less and less of them are getting married. I think its super outdated personally.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:31 PM
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It's why I get confused about the divorce issues that come up here haha. I never stopped and considered how different the UK and US divorces could be until today. Idk why it's like this... could be that we respect the systematic marriage thing less, Henry 8th and all that. Breaking away from church and tradition. Uk way definitely makes more sense. Feel a new found understanding of the Americans here For clarity- divorce often results in splitting of assets re property here. But even then, its o…
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:25 PM
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Lol I know what that is. But it was mostly a second wave fem thing. And even hotly debated within feminism. I was speaking about the actual definition though. Being attracted to women (not by choice)
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:22 PM
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I'm not single because I dislike men / feel a rift between sexes. I'm single because I like having no commitments. Marriage is for kids, ye. But long term relationships (living together) is basically the same.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:17 PM
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Ye. I didn't state otherwise. As I said... 'man up' is a detrimental term.. Its just best to keep genderd phrases like that out the workplace all together. It isn't necessary (well, it isn't necessary anywhere)
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:08 PM
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And if there's anyone who does not know of a divorce where the ex-husband was raked over the coals and lost everything, I would be surprised. I had this convo someone in this sub earlier today... im from the UK, so alimony etc isn't really a thing. Most people come out of it unharmed financially. But I obviously can only speak from personal experiences/anecdotes there. They are not the same thing. You have relationships with your friends, but you have made no commitment. However, chances are you…
/r/MensRights12/04/22 02:56 PM
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I know this isn't reliable data, but - just a general overview https://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/men-the-gatekeepers-to-commitment-long-post/ It's a commonly thought/ accepted thing to many people. Women gatekeep sex, use it against men, hold the power etc. Whereas, men tend to he the one's to 'yay or nay' commitment.. even in literal terms- they're the ones who usually propose
/r/MensRights12/04/22 02:30 PM
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You can't force yourself to be attracted to someone though right? I appreciate the term might be flung around a lot. But it isn't the actual definition
/r/MensRights12/04/22 02:01 PM
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Yeah... cuz In science/ sociology, 'masculine' doesn't necessarily mean male. Eg, masculine/feminine are traits can be held by either gender.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 01:41 PM
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Actually.. it was used first by a man called John Money https://www.ubcpress.ca/the-man-who-invented-gender#:~:text=In%201955%2C%20the%20controversial%20and,medical%20ideas%20about%20human%20sexuality. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender But however it started.. its a pretty useful term
/r/MensRights12/04/22 01:36 PM
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Wrong. Most woman are bisexual Do you have stats? I don't think you're right. I'd say women are more likely to be bi-curious. But I wouldn't think there are experientially more lesbain marriages than gay marriages. There are less man than woman and more of them are single? You see it doesn't make sense what you are saying because many of them are gay and happy in their marriage with other woman but again this has nothing to do with woman but with man. Birth rates men v women are pretty 50/50. An…
/r/MensRights12/04/22 01:26 PM
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I don't know... men are the gatekeepers of relationships. So it's much of a muchness imo. There will be subtle difference agendas/reasons, but it's still peoples personal choice right
/r/MensRights12/04/22 01:20 PM
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Ye totally. I have done a bunch of equalites training through various employers, and intention is important! Hence why I say I am not offended if someone calls me "girl" where its their normal phrasing. An issue would be I suppose, if you ask them to stop and they repeat it....
/r/MensRights12/04/22 01:07 PM
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What's a practical solution to this? I've asked something similar here before.. but most people here seem to be against "affirmative action". So what's a good solution to this? This is a serious question, plz no hate 🙏
/r/MensRights12/04/22 12:45 PM
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Well.....youre the one who brought up more women being gay...as if there aren't more openly gay men now too because they get more married as a whole so? Woman have nothing to do with man on this point. And if you wouldn't mind.. can you show me stats on this. This is news to me. Woman have nothing to do with man on this point. Youre missing the point.. most people are straight. Therefore single men = single females. Or who else are we marrying?
/r/MensRights12/04/22 12:36 PM
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Single women causes single men. And vise versa.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 12:30 PM
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Tbf. Not to disagree with you.. but for some context. Being called a 'girl' can be used in a demeaning way towards men and women. Eg, "stop crying you girl", basically the opposite to "man up". Whilst I agree people probably get offended too quickly to these things.. there is also a bit of a stigma around it. Especially in the workplace. I have had older men where I work call me "girl". As they're off a different generation, I don't take offence. But if this is youre everyday culture, I can see …
/r/MensRights12/04/22 11:46 AM
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Lesbians are lesbians. It has nothing to do with what you think politically/socially And I imagine less people care about divorce rates, because less people care about marriage Disclaimer: I'm a single woman by choice in my 20s. Unheard of a few decades ago If men or women wanna be single. Who cares
/r/MensRights12/04/22 11:36 AM
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Speaking to people respectfully ✅️ Calling them "good girl/boy, fat" ❌️ Kissing them, touching them ❌️
/r/MensRights12/04/22 11:33 AM
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I looked into our UK version. (Where monthly payments happen) and it seems a child turning 18 does end the agreement sometimes. Hard for me to comment on/understand fully though as the arrangement is super rare
/r/MensRights12/04/22 09:04 AM
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Lol ye. UK. Different names (I saw your other comment too btw) I looked into it a little. Most marriages here end in a 'clean break' . Then there are 2 further options. A lump sum pay off, or monthly payments, similar to what you call alimony. But the majority end in the "clean break" version.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 09:03 AM
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Oooh right, I see. Alimony isn't a common word here, nor do I know of it happening a lot. My bad I looked into it. Its Spousal Mantainance here, apparently. I don't know any divorced people who pay that lol. Crazy
/r/MensRights12/04/22 07:43 AM
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Wow can it really be that much? In UK it can be as little as a £30 a week And why does he have to pay if the kids are of college age?
/r/MensRights12/04/22 07:37 AM
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Sorry to be picky. But I think your mean trans women. Male to female But ye. Fair enough. I appreciate that is a better crossover for women to compare with. I just mention cleaner's as op did Also do male cleaners normally enter the Ladies without knocking first and asking if it’s unattended? And lol yes. Because it's so normal
/r/MensRights12/04/22 07:17 AM
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You said she “kind of had a point Lol people misinterpreted that for me agreeing then. Fair enough. I simply mean - it seems like that's where her logic lies, and therefore she has come to her "point" or conclusion. And also, it could also follow others could agree with her. Not necessarily me lol
/r/MensRights12/04/22 07:12 AM
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Yes I KNOW. Did anyone read my comment properly? I think she's wrong. Wow
/r/MensRights12/04/22 06:55 AM
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Your example of being too short to change the batteries in the fire alarm feeds right into the women are weak and dutiful and need men to do things for them mentality that feminism has been struggling against for a long time. Not necessarily. As in, I could be in a lesbian partnership & just be shorter than them. That isn't about men v women. It's about that there are some tasks the other can perform better. Apart from unforeseen emergency situations, there is nothing that cannot be agreed prior…
/r/MensRights12/04/22 06:54 AM
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Obviously we/I understand that. But... the OP post was speaking a hypothetical eg, if it was the other way round. And in the UK, its totally common and there isn't a huge outcry from women
/r/MensRights12/04/22 06:51 AM
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👍 sent Hes very wild if you take into account his twitter and stuff too. The link I shared shows how his "smart talking" isnt very practical when he tries to apply it to real issues
/r/MensRights12/04/22 06:36 AM
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I guess my point is... everything he says it just his theory. But he states things as facts - when they're just his opinion. And people absorb it all as true Like when he was on uk TV , and suggested racism isn't real (or something like that).. he's lives in a fantasy land
/r/MensRights11/04/22 11:36 PM
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See that's where we disagree.. he sounds educated, and sure, he has knowledge in his field. But outside of that, it's guess work. (And sounding smart and passionate, doesn't make you smart). He's very clever in that he's tricked people who don't want to do research (no offence to you specifically) Did you hear him on Joe rogan when he talked about climate change? Cringe.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 11:28 PM
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On the surface, he seems legit. Dig a little deeper into his idoiolgy and it crumbles. The self help stuff - fair enough, he does a good job. But he doesn't offer anything new.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 11:12 PM
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What game?! 🤣 Shared spaced, how you are referring to me, if VERY different to how I refer to them... such as gyms. Now that is you strawmanning
/r/MensRights11/04/22 11:08 PM
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Ye. This is exhausting. I changed nothing... I said "women get paid more" or something like that, then ADDED "more/or the same". I didn't alter the point at all
/r/MensRights11/04/22 11:03 PM
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You quoted the equality law. Nothing about shared spaces.. Look, I don't pretend to understand usa law and its practical application Also... law is all about context. Disclaimer- I work in law 🤡
/r/MensRights11/04/22 10:56 PM
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I quote ' Which one's haven't had women invading male spaces (jobs and/or social clubs and/or schools and/or sports)? You brought all these things up! I just wanted examples about the job stuff you were talking about. Wooooow
/r/MensRights11/04/22 10:47 PM
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But it's without context. Eg. You can discriminate on whatever you like in a membership organisation 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️
/r/MensRights11/04/22 10:46 PM
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Because you're answers were wrong and without context. But nevermind 🤚 I don't care one bit that you're British or not. I just ask you to not make assumptions about my country, and also not to deny my lived experiences. I haven't, and would never do that of someone
/r/MensRights11/04/22 10:42 PM
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I am not meaning to go in circles. I've tired to be consistent, but have struggled to as you have implied I am lying several times. I am not saying it never happens. Men invade women's spaces too. Its obviously something that does happen. My point is just that, it's not regular enough for it to be an ongoing concern here. Practically speaking. (such as that I can't know what you know because I'm not a brit), strawmen ( I sent a link and told you Google is a great resource. You can literally Goog…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 10:34 PM
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I haven't strawmanned anything.. I've just asked you to elaborate what you mean. And when you're wrong, I have told you to not make assumptions. That's it. When a weaker woman takes a man's job, the extra weight get foisted on everyone else. When a woman gets full pay without being able to put up the full productivity to pay for it, it drives down wages for everyone OK, and what you're example of this in the UK? And where does it say it law that this is allowed? - you have stated this happens As…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 10:09 PM
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Maybe I should have been clearer. There are male only gyms too... youre intentionally missing the points I am making, and also avoiding answering harder questions like the pay assumption you brought up. As I advocate for seperate sex spaces, I obviously do not approve of women invading mens locker rooms. What aren't you understanding?!
/r/MensRights11/04/22 09:54 PM
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I go to a women's only gym 💀 there are men only social clubs in the town I live. There's an all girls school 10 miles away. Why would I lie I'm actually advocating for these things in all countries. Not sure why you're making me out to be an enemy https://cubetoronto.com/london/are-there-men-only-clubs-in-london/ I'd link girls school info but that seems creepy when you could just Google all this yourself
/r/MensRights11/04/22 09:46 PM
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If you can't answer what I'm asking... then fair enough. But don't make assumptions about a country you've probably never been to
/r/MensRights11/04/22 09:42 PM
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What I actually said was - the space issue in regard to men and women having separate areas, isn't really an ongoing problem. Eg. Clubs and gyms (as they exist where I live) We have to sacrifice for you I don't understand what you think you sacrificed for me. My point is, we LIVE IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES wow haha As to equal pay, only I'd you do equal work. Why should a boss have to both hire a female mason AND pay her the same as a man if she's only a fraction as strong and productive? In what si…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 09:36 PM
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Lol don't pretend you know more about my country than I do. And regardless of whatever law you pull up, it doesn't translate to what actually happens in practice. Also.. I don't see the issue with women "invading mens" employment. What's the alternative? We don't work? What. And yeah... we should get paid the same. Also funny that you overlooked your other points re schools and general spaces
/r/MensRights11/04/22 09:20 PM
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I am originally from the UK. We have men's clubs and women's clubs. Whatever you have heard isn't 100% true. jobs I don't understand what you mean by jobs?! Uk used to have loads of girls school, but some got phases out in the 70s. (There are still a lot though) We have mens/womens social clubs Which sports have women invaded in the UK?
/r/MensRights11/04/22 08:51 PM
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Europe isn't a country Lol I know. I was just pointing out that I lived in the west haha. As you said this is a western issue. I'm just countering by saying - not necessarily every western country..
/r/MensRights11/04/22 08:35 PM
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I guess the point is.. there is a very fine line lol. So it's best to avoid it as it can interpreted differently
/r/MensRights11/04/22 07:31 PM
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I find convos like this difficult honestly. Because I'm a woman, so I automatically feel I should be able to understand and have witnessed that women threat men as such (but often these sre things i have never witnessed). Like, in my life i dont witness women viewing or treating men as objects. Not in a drastically different way to the way men view women. I obvs acknowledge it happens. But often can't speak from personal experience How this started for example.. I went to uniform school. Which h…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 06:19 PM
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But the issue is... for example... even just reminding someone to do something can sometimes be viewed as nagging. It's all depends on the perception sometimes. Bullying someone verbally into doing something, is obviously different. At this point, some people resort to threats like "if you don't do 'x' I'm leaving" which is extortion. And sure. I agree. And if you're at this point, it's probably better to just leave imo. Seriously, you have never heard of a step-ladder or calling in a fire alarm…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 06:11 PM
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Oh ye totally. And I can empathise. I had a mother who was extremely tidy. And for the longest time we fundamentally disagreed on what tidy even meant. Maybe one of the reasons I am very unnaggy as an adult.. I understand there isn't any value in it. The middle ground is usually the best
/r/MensRights11/04/22 05:42 PM
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Because the consequences would be - I am also living in an untidy / unclean environment. Eg, if their task was to vacuum, and they don't, I also suffer. * but as i said somewhere up there. I did eventually go on strike (meaning I stopped doing his jobs and things for him re chores) and he then complained. And ahh. I think we maybe stumbled on the definitions. I agree that annoying or harassing someone into something they didng agree to is always bad. Standard nagging definition as per Google whe…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 05:28 PM
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I also said I don't agree with her lol. I was just highlighting what her view may have been. But yes, probably that part. Yeah.. you don't have to convince me. I totally agree that it's a double standard
/r/MensRights11/04/22 05:24 PM
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There probably are some teenagers who did it on purpose, as their are adults who do the same. But equally, there are many who don't care in the slightest and who just want to wear what's comfortable. Just generally on your testosterone thing.. in a case where it doesn't drastically decrease when a man reaches adulthood, should adult women also be made to dress to help men suppress urges? There's a different but similar thing where I'm from with uniforms. Girls are allowed to wear skirts when it'…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 05:22 PM
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In an ideal world... and personally in my life (as a female). I avoid it at all costs. For one, it doesn't work. And it isn't conducive to a healthy happy partnership. Plus.. I hate being nagged (as we all have been by partners and / or parents) So wouldn't want someone else to feel that way because of me
/r/MensRights11/04/22 05:16 PM
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Hahah yes. And obviously anything I am saying isn't true, or my experience for all men. In fact, loads of great. But some really take liberties
/r/MensRights11/04/22 04:58 PM
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But let's assume it has been negotiated. But one person isn't holding up their end of the deal. Let's say you have even renegotiated.. then what? I don't like nagging, and avoid it at all costs... but what do you do? As a matter of anecdote, I understand many men want their women partners to remain the same, but women often want their men partners to change. Neither has an entitlement to have what they want or to pursue it by any means, including nagging and coercion. But listen right.. I totall…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 04:57 PM
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Tbf, I acknowledge I don't and will obviously never truely understand teenage boys. And also appreciate that it sounds like I am saying we should just teach boys out of having testosterone, which obviously isn't possible.. I know how powerful female hormones can be after all...but saying that, we are taught to suppress some things. I may want to cry at work due to hormones, but I can't. I know its different..but you see my point. Your drive to like babies is also biological but nothing compared …
/r/MensRights11/04/22 04:52 PM
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An example from my life. I lived with a man for 8 years. We agreed that I take on 70% of all household tasks. We worked the same hours and earned the same money, but he would only agree to 30%, and as my standards were higher, I agreed it was fair. Anyway, fast foward, he didn't even do 10%. Therefore meaning I was doing 90%. I often didn't care, but sometimes I did. I requested he fulfilled 25% going foward. He didn't. Nagging seems the next appropriate step... It worked maybe 3 times. OBVIOUSL…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 04:34 PM
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I don't know why people are downvoting me. I even stated tht I think that feminists woman is wrong lol
/r/MensRights11/04/22 04:29 PM
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I am not saying that my example is universal. Obviously it isn't. Just generally of my experiences
/r/MensRights11/04/22 04:18 PM
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I agree that ideally there should be an agreement. You do "x", I do "y". But nagging is born out of someone not doing the thing they agreed to, right? I never said nagging works. Personally, I'd rather open communication, but it may not be possible, or the natural starting point
/r/MensRights11/04/22 04:10 PM
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I am speaking in literal terms. Eg, if the house is a mess, you shouldn't need to be asked to clean it if you can also see it is a mess.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 04:02 PM
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If you're in a relationship/ partnership, I think its only fair you hold each other to some kind of standard, especially when talking about sharing work and duties that need to be done by someone. I appreciate what you're saying. Everyone has free will... but there also needs to be cooperation
/r/MensRights11/04/22 03:39 PM
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More revealing may have been a poor choice of words on my part. I suppose I mean, there is less stigma around a boys arms, than a girls arms for example. I do not see a dress code as objectifying women's bodies. To me, the dress code imposed on women is not about women. Don't get me wrong.. I agree there should be a dress code. And understand you're point about its being imposed upon, rather than about... maybe due to the differing clothing choices. But if it's about a women, it's about a woman.…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 03:35 PM
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This often is the result of women setting their chore execution standards as "the objectively correct standard" and can not even conceptualize the idea of negotiating a compromise that works for both partners. Ha yes. I totally agree with that. And there absolutely does need to be comparise if you're cohabiting. There is a grey area in children tho.. as in, let's say a man has lower standards (leaves chores a few extra days), I'd argue it's better to show the children the higher standard. Been t…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 03:27 PM
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Honestly, I haven't (but should) look into the entirety of how these statistics are thought up. But I also have faith that they don't come from no where. Or why should anyone trust any stat? Obviously stats are never the full story
/r/MensRights11/04/22 03:01 PM
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Disclaimer, I am European, and we have uniforms in school. But in countries like America, where there is no uniform.. girls have much stricter dress codes, eg, no strappy tops, short skirts etc. Whilst I agree, they should dress for a school setting. The reason for these rules often comes down to "their clothes are a distraction for the boys & male teachers". Whereas, the lads are more freely allowed to wear more "revealing" clothes. I'd say that is objectifying female bodies.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 02:57 PM
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If we all stopped objectifying women in all cases, most women would become very depressed. I know my wife would. Ye, and I agree. And I agree because we've seen the negative impact men have by not being complimented etc. Most people enjoy being the object of desire, and if you're OK with and capable of making an income from it, fair play. I mean just try to imagine all the things that would be gone if we all just stopped objectifying women and men at all times. I like some of those things. We ne…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 02:44 PM
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To be honest i don't watch any women's sports haha Culture can be so weird sometimes. But ye totally.. its often people being offended on behalf of someone else.. a waste of time that just makes the people being talked about look bad.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 02:35 PM
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Lol. I agree with you. Sex obviously does sell. And I think its great and I'm totally infavour of anyone who wants to do that! Complaining that women are being objectified , when its their choice, is ridiculous
/r/MensRights11/04/22 02:28 PM
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The problem i have with this point of view is that it is only the OP of the article and the feminist who are angered by this who think of that kiss at the end of a victory is somehow their prize. Ye I know. The girls that end up losing their job are then the victims, it's ridiculous. People should be left alone to do what they want. The grid girls did not kiss the winner, they were only there to keep up signs and look pretty. Only two of these girls would present the winner with the actual prize…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 02:26 PM
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Oh no.. I am agreeing that shes wrong. I'm just saying thats likely where her thinking lies.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 02:24 PM
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Ye I agree. Nagging isn't necessarily helpful, whether it be valid or not. If you assume its about a chore division issue, women do tend to nag for the purpose of - its frustrating they even need to ask/they live there too and should know do to 'x' without being told. So it's clear to see why things lead to nagging.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 02:10 PM
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Yes exactly. If its unjustified, you can see how someone may rebadge it as verb abuse. But yes, it's likely down to improper communication
/r/MensRights11/04/22 02:07 PM
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Well.. I learnt something today. Thank you. I am fairly Liberal, eg, as long as everyone is consenting, what's the problem.. I assumed most feminists would agree as it's a choice. But guess not
/r/MensRights11/04/22 01:59 PM
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Yeah I'd agree. With the preposition of "hostile" or "excessive" nagging. As otherwise you could claim a husband not doing "x" task that caused the nagging is also abusive. So I'd say I agree if it's unjust nagging
/r/MensRights11/04/22 01:57 PM
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It's crazy. All I did was state that you're statistically more likely to be the victim, than wrongly accused (which is true). So statistically you should fear being a victim more. I am not arguing against you that all the stats are perfect. Just that we do have stats
/r/MensRights11/04/22 01:54 PM
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That's interesting. I'm a women and have no issue with grid girls or male/female strip clubs. It's strange that a Feminist would have a problem- considering the point of modern feminism is that women should have choice. (How its sold at least) However! I can also kinda of see her point. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. A kiss at the end of a victory is different to going to a strip club. I don't think her objecting to one and not the other is a double standard. The point she is making…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 01:36 PM
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I appreciate that might be the case in a regular survey. And that might even be valid in a 'would you murder', as you'd need to consider self defence etc. But rape.. you have free will there. Even if you take out all of the 'very unlikelys'.. youre probably still looking at at grotesque stat
/r/MensRights11/04/22 01:01 PM
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I agree that a similar study should be done on women! Would be interesting to see.. 'very unlikely I don't understand why they wouldn't just say never though. So I appreciate you're point, but it still think its the same as a 'maybe'
/r/MensRights11/04/22 12:36 PM
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I totally sympathise with a that. (I'm a woman) and I'm totally on board that men are treated badly. One point though And to top it all off. Men are STILL expected to “act like a man” in the face of all this madness. To cry is not the nature of a man. To express your intimate emotions to your wife or girlfriend is not the nature of a man. I would say this bit totally depends on your circumstances. Many men do cry and no one considers them weaker. And if society says something, it doesn't mean we…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 12:21 PM
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I'm uk too. Its really hard to relate to some of this American stuff
/r/MensRights11/04/22 12:09 PM
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I live in Europe. Men and women have separate spaces and no one cares. Some people might.. but that doesn't hinder anything (at least on the ground/local level)
/r/MensRights11/04/22 11:45 AM
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The disclaimer here: no denial of either sides pain or struggles should be discounted. No one here needs to claim the greater struggle, that will simply disrupt the conversation and return us back to division which is the opposite of this posts intention. I love that. As a female who is in support of men's rights, I am continuously told women have no issues, have it great everywhere, never had any problems, etc. It's really counter productive and often irrelevant to modern day men's rights issue…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 11:43 AM
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Rape has been described as "the perfect crime" as its incredibly had to prove. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I saw a study once (I'll try find it) - where they asked a collage campus, and 1/3 males said they would rape if they could get away with it. And unfortunately, many often can
/r/MensRights11/04/22 11:27 AM
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I'm female and having male restroom attendants is fairly common where I live. In situations where you bump into them, everyone just ignores that they're there. As they just doing their job.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 09:36 AM
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Do you have a source for that? And does that take into account the huge backlog of rape kits yet to be tests? Does it take into account a lot of women drop their charges due to the belief they're lose even though they have actual evidence? I'm not saying I disagree with you. Just that whatever data you are citing, hopefully covers all the variables
/r/MensRights10/04/22 02:12 PM
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That's the point though.. you can't quantity things that happen on social media. No one can with any accuracy
/r/MensRights10/04/22 02:09 PM
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Where is that 1%-9% figure from?
/r/MensRights10/04/22 02:06 PM
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Lol definitely sexist. And also a really bad metaphor.
/r/MensRights09/04/22 10:08 PM
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Where I am from in the world, we have men's clubs/women spaces ect. And no one has a problem with it lol. I don't know where you people live that this is an actual issue 😞
/r/MensRights09/04/22 09:24 PM
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What's everyone's definition of toxic femininity?
/r/MensRights09/04/22 09:22 PM
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Apparently only between 2%-5% of sexual assault cases (including rape) are false accusations. Even 1 is terrible. But everyone is more likely to actually be harrased/assaulted. So that should be feared more
/r/MensRights09/04/22 09:11 PM
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I don't like Jordan Peterson tho ..... I am concerned about those who do 💩
/r/MensRights05/04/22 08:48 PM
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But women buy it because they like it. Isn't that the point? Everyone should be able to wear they want without judgement In fact I live in leggings 24/7. Best invention ever lol
/r/MensRights05/04/22 05:07 PM
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I would argue that the right to use the property technically owned by your husband is better than having the paper right to own property, but not being able to afford it. I really don't know. Its not for me or you to decide tbf as it doesn't affected us rn. But it was also commonly believe that a man's place was to go outside, and do whatever was required to earn enough money to buy food, clothes and shelter for his wife and children and to make sure they were safe and protected. Staying at home…
/r/MensRights05/04/22 11:19 AM
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Worse off is extremely hard to quantify. Women had less rights that men for longer. Poor or rich. But, poor men and rich women both had a bad time. It isn't a contest. Just depends what you qualify as worse https://law.jrank.org/pages/22615/Gender-Discrimination-History.html This is interesting. A comparison of sorts. It's funny. Women getting the right to keep property after marriage is seen now as "women owned property before poor men". Its true.. but they still were very unlikely to do so ind…
/r/MensRights05/04/22 07:42 AM
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What they said 👍
/r/MensRights05/04/22 07:12 AM
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To be honest I think the burden of proof is on you.. the person trying to re write history. But whatever. Here is an American timeline about women 1770+ https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/womens-history/womens-history-us-timeline Not American but https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/static/Gender.jsp
/r/MensRights05/04/22 07:10 AM
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No. You made a claim that I denied, the burden of proof is yours, not mine. Nice try. This is proof per say. But at least you'll know whay were talking about https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/WIC/Historical-Essays/No-Lady/Womens-Rights/ I don't care, personally. Those who will join will join for the right reasons, regardless of anything I say, or you say. Well no. To organise you must get people on side. What you said is a brilliant example of why men are being failed in the…
/r/MensRights05/04/22 06:52 AM
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But what are those papers if not a birth certificate?
/r/MensRights05/04/22 06:35 AM
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Sources or proof please. And for a second consider this is why you turn women off the mra movement. You pretend we have always been superior. Or that we never had issues 🤦‍♀️ and then wonder why we don't see your problems
/r/MensRights05/04/22 06:19 AM
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I'm eagerly awaiting all of your citations about this pls. 1848 America. Thanks
/r/MensRights05/04/22 06:16 AM
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Ye. I didn't deny that. Rich men mattered more than poor men and all women. That doesn't mean men don't have issues and that men today should be judged as trying to keep women down in an organized fashion as organized feminism is doing today in the name of bringing down the patriarchy. Tbh I don't think today's women judge today's men for it. Its a systematic problem. Mostly overcome, luckily.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 10:37 PM
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Out of interest. How would you help men. Men of colour is easier as they have an obvious protected characteristic. Clear obstacles. But what would blanket helping men look like from a practical point? I'm really trying think, but idk the answer
/r/MensRights04/04/22 10:29 PM
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Wow what. Thats wild. I can't even make up or imagine a reason why that's ok or fair?! Making a sabotaged condom rape is actually progressive in a good way imo, but to not apply those same/similar laws to women is 100% crazy I'm now curious what the law is where I live
/r/MensRights04/04/22 10:23 PM
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I didn't think you had to pay if you weren't on the birth certificate? America?
/r/MensRights04/04/22 10:16 PM
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I don't 100% know about the intentional part. But its undeniable that women had less rights than men in 1848. Not really a conspiracy theory
/r/MensRights04/04/22 10:14 PM
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"Good reason" would have to be proven in a court of law if ever necessary.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 10:09 PM
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Exactly. The patriarchy is real and often a good thing. Denying it's real, as some do, is illogical Yes. Elements of it have evolved, and rightly so. But for a long time it was the best way to do things.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 10:05 PM
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Masculine traits aren't necessarily masculinity in a 'therefore all men are' sense. Women have masculine traits, almost as often as men
/r/MensRights04/04/22 07:21 PM
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It's been pretty shocking how many people are trying to use jada as a scapegoat on this. Even in the worst relationships, there's no excuse for violence against anyone. Ever.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 07:20 PM
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Ideally 50/50. On first, second, third dates, I tend to offer splitting in a "I'll pay for drinks, you pay for food" sense. I offer to pay for all if I earn more. And usually they offer if they earn more.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 07:17 PM
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I'm a feminist. And I appreciate men 🥲
/r/MensRights04/04/22 06:00 PM
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Oh ye dw, I know. But there is definite difference in how they're treated
/r/MensRights04/04/22 05:29 PM
1

I thought incels were born from not being able to get dates? I didn't think they were related to mra. I can understand why people think it though... in men's groups you do unfortunately get women haters who are highlighted in the media
/r/MensRights04/04/22 05:26 PM
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Oh I see. So it's the help and forgiveness thing when people are struggling for whatever reason. Yes, I can see that Sidenote: What I hate most is when people call a dad looking after the kid "babysitting"
/r/MensRights04/04/22 05:21 PM
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Thank you. I have never seen these stats before. I've only seen stats that say between 2%-6% (without a gender breakdown)
/r/MensRights04/04/22 05:16 PM
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It's hard for me to comment on this without bias. I know a few single dads who do a great job. Really great in fact. And single women who do a great job too. In the cases where people are single. I think men are praised and women are judged more. People see it as "wow good man, he stepped up". And the woman as "aw bless her, she's on her own 🥲🥲🥲 let's hope she doesn't introduce the kids to loads of boyfriends" But as for people in relationships, Idk
/r/MensRights04/04/22 05:06 PM
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I guess it depends. There is an assumption that women do most of the childcare. And that assumption is true. So unfortunately maybe these men need a Disclaimer on their posts like. "Me and the woman have a 50/50 spit I'm x y z tasks" just to level the playing field before assumptions come I guarantee, if it were a woman whose husband told her the power went out while she was having a night out and she ignored her kids and stayed out all night instead, she would be praised on this website. And I …
/r/MensRights04/04/22 04:56 PM
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Where is that 11% figure coming from? Is that 11% of men, or 11% of accused men say it is false?
/r/MensRights04/04/22 04:52 PM
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I don't think so. This is a very standard British thing. It would honestly probably be fine the other way.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 04:35 PM
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I guess those groups were chosen because they do stereotypically/historyically have a harder time progressing in work, whereas men do not have the same hurdles. I do see your point tho, does seem a tad backwards and nonsense white men aren't included. However - I wanna say it is excellent that you're company have included working partners as a category
/r/MensRights04/04/22 04:33 PM
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That's a bit different to someone shouting "Show me your tits" or "I'd like a go on that". Or something similar for the 5th time that month
/r/MensRights04/04/22 04:27 PM
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Hahaha fair play. But ye. Don't discount how good it is, until you try it 😂
/r/MensRights03/04/22 04:22 PM
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But they're both the worst choice if you're wanting to have the best time you can have ! Ha
/r/MensRights03/04/22 04:08 PM
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And money 😏
/r/AntiFeminists03/04/22 12:46 PM
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It has been shown that men consistently work more hours, therfore men earn more money than women because men work more than women. Can you share a source please. It see it varies on a few things. Whether its the development or undeveloped world / if you're including labour in regard to family care. Urban area/non urban etc chase their careers more than women. Thats hard to quantify. Unless you have data? If that is the case they have higher pay per hour worked, on the basis of gender. And that i…
/r/MensRights03/04/22 12:43 PM
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Depends what you mean by 'dress for attention'. The over sexualisation of women or more prevalent in countries where they force them to cover up Women and men, should be able to wear whatever the hell they want 🤡 Also - let's not forget, people very very very often get sexually harrased, when when wearing the most baggy, 'boyish' unsexual clothes possible
/r/MensRights03/04/22 10:52 AM
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I repeat... so?
/r/MensRights03/04/22 10:21 AM
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No. That's true. But is your counter argument?
/r/MensRights02/04/22 09:34 PM
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Lol I am just saying there are some things we do innately. You can't just ignore natural difference
/r/MensRights02/04/22 08:09 PM
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I didn't say they were complaining about being the expected care givers lol
/r/MensRights02/04/22 07:04 PM
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If its to provide a women's perspective, what're you mad about? Aren't they allowed to think what they think, just as you think as you think about them
/r/MensRights02/04/22 06:46 PM
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So? It could equally read men are outearning women in the majority of states
/r/MensRights02/04/22 06:30 PM
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That's like saying a car parking space that generates $30 per hour in revenue is more valued than someone who earns minimum wage. Not really comparable
/r/MensRights02/04/22 06:29 PM
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No where in my comment did I say that lol. Ofc they can be
/r/MensRights02/04/22 06:15 PM
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Women are still expected to be primary care givers to children.
/r/MensRights02/04/22 05:54 PM
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Accusing someone of being selfish in bed is different to saying someone's entire character is selfish tho
/r/MensRights02/04/22 05:51 PM
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Because women rape less than men rape. women commit sexual assault less than men.
/r/MensRights02/04/22 05:02 PM
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Bro. I am totally in favour of separate genders gyms. I made comment here yesterday about thr exact same thing - it isnt necessarily about anyone looking, but about paranoir on both sides.. Take your rage out on someone else lol Also, sweetheart is very disrespectful
/r/MensRights02/04/22 03:46 PM
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Why are y'all looking at women at the gym? Just keep your eyes to yoursel
/r/MensRights02/04/22 03:17 PM
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Its hard to tell. It is advocating this? Or just informing people of this?
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:57 PM
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I love this question. And I love that men here seem to be in favour of it. I'm female and hate being the one solely responsible for birth control. to be double safe, both men and women could take it. I have been on the pill for 10 years now. And it really messes with your body.. so being able to take breaks and the men be responsible in that time etc would be great. Take it in turns. It opens up so many more options for everyone
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:54 PM
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Exactly. I don't care one bit if a man flaunts round the gym in a tank top, flexing his muscles. It's non of my concern. I'm there for exercise lol
/r/MensRights02/04/22 12:27 PM
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But... that's the same as OPs article. You can't blame the partner..People have freewill over their actions regardless if their circumstances
/r/MensRights02/04/22 12:24 PM
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I am talking right at the start of women getting rights. Wave 1 and wave 2. Women had to fight for a right to be in a bar, at all. It wasn't about being allowed or disallowed in men's. As all bars were men's bars..
/r/MensRights02/04/22 12:10 PM
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There's no harm in considering mitigating circumstances. I don't know much or care about this csre. But compare this to the men defending Will Smith (is was jadas fault 🥸)
/r/MensRights02/04/22 11:26 AM
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What? I don't get what you're saying lol. Are you saying women think it's weird? Explain
/r/MensRights02/04/22 10:56 AM
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You can't do much other than convincing feminists you know to not support closing male only spaces. I don't know many tbh. And also - I know many men/non feminist women who are anti separation of gender. So... I try discuss things I believe with everyone, regardless of their starting point They should have opened female only bars. Feminists blame us for "not working on men's rights and instead working on taking women's rights away" (false accusation BTW) but they themselves are guilty of that. T…
/r/MensRights02/04/22 10:37 AM
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That's true too. I am totally for freedom of speech. But as you know - if you are anti feminist, not allowing other counter points to her heard is bad. And especially bad in the world of the social media algorithm As in- lots of people don't have access / are denied access to 100% of voices
/r/AntiFeminists02/04/22 10:19 AM
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You want me to fix my original comment?! And say ' we shouldn't talk down to people who are different to us'. Ffs what difference does it make he
/r/MensRights02/04/22 09:40 AM
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It's a fundamental difference between men and women, women freely rape and assault men all they want...literally, at will...and it's seen as funny. Let's assume that's true. You'd also have to assume women want to do it less than men want to do it
/r/MensRights02/04/22 09:39 AM
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Yes exactly- being self aware is important. Including recognising we can also fall into the trap. It is why I pick up on these types of generalisations a lot though (op comment) it doesn't allow for the nuances of life. It's OK for people who already have fully formed opinions to digest- but for those who create their opinions online, it's dangerous
/r/AntiFeminists02/04/22 09:36 AM
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Ye maybe that's. Its natural to defend yourself if you feel attacked.. but not know you're doing the same thing sometimes. Personally, I try to always be objective
/r/AntiFeminists02/04/22 09:26 AM
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They just make the assumptions all the time that every person who thinks 'x' is the same. Life is more complicated imo.
/r/AntiFeminists02/04/22 08:53 AM
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OK..so he is suggesting there are gyms for people who actually want to work out and gyms for people who just want to take photos for Instagram? See my confusion.. especially when he was commenting on a post about gendered gyms
/r/MensRights02/04/22 08:48 AM
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I said well fitting OK. But as a women who is blessed in the chest dept. I can't wear a well fitting t shirt anywhere either. And there's a difference between shorts and a spandex pair of briefs I'm agreeing with you lol. A women could wear massive baggy clothes. But it's not exactly ideal to work out in. Also - if women 'are expected to cover and hide sexuallised parts of their body... why aren't meant being told to cover their muscles?
/r/MensRights02/04/22 08:32 AM
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Then be a real feminist and stop the "pseudo-feminists" from closing male only spaces. Ok. How do I alone do that? Seriously? I am a feminist and I supports men rights (I know I'll get comments that says thay impossible, but assume I'm being truthful). I would argue for men and womne that they get gendered gyms. And I would happily convince everyone in my life. But I have no power over organised feminism, the same way you don't. Unlikely, war against male only spaces has been going on since 1st …
/r/MensRights02/04/22 08:18 AM
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Tbf I women want to dress like 'sluts' ( in your opinion) by wearing clothes marketed towards them. What's the problem?
/r/MensRights02/04/22 08:10 AM
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Hm that's a fair point. Women could choose things that aren't marketed at 'womens gym' clothes. But you see my point. Also - I often wear sportwear as daily clothes right. Loungewear. But I can honestly say, i do not dress to please men
/r/MensRights02/04/22 08:09 AM
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But.. that outfit would also be sexuallised. Shorts and a tight top? That would get you looks if you wore it somewhere else
/r/MensRights02/04/22 08:06 AM
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I didn't mention women. I know. Bev and her female colleagues loved training with men because "men understand the goal oriented nature of the training". But you clearly talking about men/women
/r/MensRights02/04/22 08:05 AM
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Bro. I'm a feminist and I want gendered gyms. Sorry- but sometimes the past is the past and you gotta move foward Ever consider it might have something to do with non binary people or some shit? Why you always blaming the fems And even if feminism is to blame. Who the hell cares. Move on with your life and do what you can now. Stop stressing about the past
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:32 AM
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I downvoted. But after a second read understood what she meant 🤣 I have now up voted. Very good
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:31 AM
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Do you want male only gyms or not? If you do, let women have theirs. Not an ideal way to go about it, but if it works, it works
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:24 AM
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Maybe that's true. But idk..I don't like to generalise. Especially when I don't know much about gym culture. When I have been to the gym, I go to exercise. People check me out, I check them out. We might be eye each others technique, so who cares. Imo If someone catches you looking at them, it's because they were looking at you. Maybe women assume they're going to be sexuallised because of bad press, so they're on edge. Literally who knows My advice would be..don't talk to anyone when you're at …
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:19 AM
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You read far too much into what I said. I simply implied you should mayb pick your battles when you'd only end up with the same outcome anyway. If it was successful, it wouldn't be banned. Obviously, ideally the law would be equal for all Taking something away from women doesn't help men.
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:15 AM
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I agree, which is why I added the first line in my post. The idea gym clothes are usually pretty revealing and people shouldn't be forced to wear inferior clothes over something like this. Ah cool. Good. I'm specifically referring to the type that wears a padded sports bra and yoga pants and spends more time on Instagram than actually working out That's fair. But tbh I think some men do this just as often. I see loads of men's muscles photos on my feeds. And it's a competition against their frie…
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:11 AM
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Society ignores that, and that is not what the subject of my post/his post was about. The post clearly didn't care about that, and actually framed it as only happening one way. It is based on prejudices (I'm not talking about the rare exceptions, I'm talking about the point). I didn't say I agreed with his post. Chill. And I am part of society and I care.
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:08 AM
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3 options then. Male gyms, female gyms, mixed gendered gyms. I am not anti gym. People can do whatever they want, I don't care
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:04 AM
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Both men and women work out for health and looks. Is talking down women really necessary?
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:00 AM
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Tbf. I won't try to discredit your experience. But I'm female - and it can sometimes be hard to find decent gym clothes that aren't revealing. Im for gendered gyms. It's avoids all the accusations, for both men and women
/r/MensRights02/04/22 12:58 AM
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Hey its you!! We finally agree on something 🤣
/r/MensRights02/04/22 12:54 AM
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Men do not harass women in the gym. It is based on a false accusation Is it always false though? Do you also think women never harness men at the gym? It's going to happen at least sometimes, both ways. And even if it were paranoia. Both men and women avoiding the situation is surely preferred?
/r/MensRights02/04/22 12:48 AM
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It's hard to know where this sub even stands sometimes tho. Some people here might agree that it is discriminatory. Personally, I don't think it is. Genders should have separate spaces. If male only gyms aren't legal - at least allowing female only gyms would naturally separate the sexes. Its still a good outcome regardless of how it comes about
/r/MensRights02/04/22 12:35 AM
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If it makes them happier, what's the problem? Then men and women can both independently focus on working out.. without the additional (Real or not) pressures of feeling watched or feeling paranoid someone thinks you're watching
/r/MensRights02/04/22 12:10 AM
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I'm shocked im not downvoted into oblivion already tbh
/r/MensRights02/04/22 12:06 AM
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Women don't know how to exercise now? Right ok lol Men literally go to the gym to look good while they lift. And ok, maybe women do too. But its the same both way. If you can afford a gym membership, you can afford weights
/r/MensRights01/04/22 11:57 PM
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The existence of woman only gym..leads to the logical conclusion there would be male only gyms by default. If women choose to avoid men in this setting. Then men will automatically avoid women. And obviously women would be in favour of this as it is by design
/r/MensRights01/04/22 11:55 PM
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Have any of you ever spoken to a women? That test wouldn't work.. even a non feminists could comment on women issues when asked about the topic. Or, a feminists may talk on it a little, but then move on because you're on a date or something. Madness to make such assumptions. Or maybe this is April fools post. Idk
/r/AntiFeminists01/04/22 11:05 PM
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But what do you mean by 'traditional woman'?
/r/MensRights19/03/22 10:13 AM
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Duh
/r/MensRights04/03/22 06:40 PM
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Calling your own metaphor excellent and beautiful is kinda lame for the record. You talk alot about how you understand feminism, but have you ever seriously looked into any other good bits? And the positive impact is has had on women? I'm not expecting you to understand the women's experience, but seriously, to call us more privileged and/or an oppressor is wild
/r/MensRights04/03/22 06:04 PM
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How can anyone compare supporting women/feminism to slavery?
/r/MensRights04/03/22 05:55 PM
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I am not suggesting I support it 100% bro. I acknowledge some harm the movement has done. (I still think the good outweighs the bad) There are different levels and disagreements within feminism, the same as anything, the same as here.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 05:50 PM
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I actually moved away from feminism in late teens/early 20s. But picked it back up pretty soon after again when I remembered, just because my life is ok, doesn't mean all women's lives are ok, across the world I mean. Its werid.. it seems I could say 'I support women' and that would be fine..but because i label it 'feminism', I am called a man hater
/r/MensRights04/03/22 05:41 PM
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From my perspective, and please don't be offended by this. I think the reason women might lash out at other women for supporting MRA has nothing to do with them not caring about men's rights. I think its the fact there are some incredibly sexist and misogynistic things said (including here). It isn't all men/commenters, but it happens. And in the same sense - you think a feminists represents and supports all of Feminism history, a women will assume that supporting this group makes you a sexist e…
/r/MensRights04/03/22 05:36 PM
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Yes. And this is why I joined this subreddit. Although I can't experience mens problems first hand, I see them. And some of them are reminiscent of women's issues. It's a point of frustration because I see people say 'all women think...' and then complain women say 'all men...' I think think genders need to work together here.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 05:17 PM
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Men's rights and women's rights should be two separate movements. I don't think it's practical though. Would you have a mens government and a women government? No. We live together so we need to work together. We are very different, but we're also all just human.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 05:14 PM
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I'm sorry. But you cannot tell me what I am and am not. If you were truly for equality instead of bolstering mens rights, why isnt this a 'rights for all' group? Edit: my point being.. there is still a place for having separate forums and groups to talk about individual issues.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 04:45 PM
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It's doesn't particularly in terms of the job - but why shouldn't everyone be advertised to?
/r/MensRights04/03/22 04:43 PM
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This is the thing. As an example, women HATE men only clubs. Like Boy Scouts or golf clubs. So they must be destroyed Pretty much all women I know, who also identify as feminist, dont have an issue with these kinds of things. These opinion tend to come from extreme internet groups, so people jump to the conclusion that all women think that way. Men don’t really have a problem with women’s only clubs. No man would try to kill a women’s club in a vacuum. BUT if you are going to destroy ours, then …
/r/MensRights04/03/22 04:41 PM
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What you advocate is just a different way to discriminate against white men by denying them access to the hiring process. I think companies should advertise widely, and especially to unrepresented groups. BUT, they should obviously also advertise in whatever normal way they do. And hire people from whoever is the best. That's all. Equal opportunity, not equal outcome
/r/MensRights04/03/22 03:01 PM
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I am a feminists in fact. Not because I agree with everything feminism has ever done or said, but because I think it's still relevant. And if not for me, but for others across the world. As for other things you can do - sure, call out hypocrisy when you see it, be compassionate when you see men in your life suffering because of those sorts of things. And yes, absolutely. This is something I try to do (calling out men and women where needed). I think both genders need to stick up for both genders
/r/MensRights04/03/22 02:55 PM
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I dont think anyone likes positive discrimination. However, society does need to make sure we do things like advertising jobs from all fields as widely as possible. But then im sure youd get some people argue that an increase in men/ women hired in a certain field can only be because of positive discrimination.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 02:48 PM
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Erm. I am a women and I love being a women. I acknowledge my privileges, not just as a women, but as a European etc. Men, in general, don’t complain about much. That's true in irl lives. But it's why I find this subreddit interesting, it's often men blaming women, rather than hoping to work with them
/r/MensRights04/03/22 02:44 PM
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To be honest. I was trying to avoid talking about feminism. As at least where I'm from, more women aren't feminists, than are. It's why I wanted to talk about the regular women in our lives
/r/MensRights04/03/22 02:41 PM
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Same goes for male extremist too
/r/MensRights04/03/22 02:34 PM
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I think I read somewhere that the UK is 30%. No idea about the rest of the world ngl
/r/MensRights04/03/22 02:32 PM
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I think most of us just want to be happy and go about our lives. Honestly yes. I'd love that too. Stop judging competence based on gender is very reasonable
/r/MensRights04/03/22 01:33 PM
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That's reasonable. But can women also then rely on men to do the same for them when men speak this way about them?
/r/MensRights04/03/22 01:32 PM
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That's probably true. If I were in that situation, fight or flight may kick in, and I imagine with many women, they don't want to enter any situation that may be physical. We are definitely weaker after all. That's not an excuse, I agree you're probably correct
/r/MensRights04/03/22 01:04 PM
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Someone identifying as a feminists, doesn't mean their automatically irrational.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 01:01 PM
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Men/boys have real human rights violations ranging from genital mutilation as infants, being made to kill or be killed via conscription and having no rights sexually or as a parent Absolutely. And those things are terrible. But remember, this isn't a contest. Men and women equally have reasons to be angry at the world/ the other gender. But in reality women and men hurt their own genders. I just don't think blaming everything on 'most women' or 'feminism' helps at all
/r/MensRights04/03/22 12:52 PM
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I am feminists because I experience and see sexism and misogyny in the world. I support men because I see sexism and misandrists. It really is that simple.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 12:47 PM
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Comments like this is why we still need feminism. I am often told I can't be a feminists because being one means I support all the bad things they have done. But by that logic, no one should support men because one's like this exist. We all know that's not how this works
/r/MensRights04/03/22 12:43 PM
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I understand that I can of course only use my own experiences on this as a women, and I acknowledge I can't pretend I fully understand the male experiences. But most women I know, just view men as people, and we are as outraged by inequality as you are.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 12:42 PM
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I think everyone can at least agree that the sexes aren't equal. Men have things women don't and visa versa. I would never suggest that women should get anything more than men should, and would argue with anyone who made such claims. But my point is still, that we are different. And only by working together can we achieve equality
/r/MensRights04/03/22 12:07 PM
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I'm not suggesting feminism is perfect. But as a women who on a local level advocates for men's rights, instead of any real discussion, I spend the majority of my time in this subreddit defending the fact I also advocate for women.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 12:04 PM
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My point was, it isn't a 'mens' problem, it's universal. You even admit in the next sentence that it's not an actual problem for women. I didn't admit this. I just mentioned loneliness being more prevalent with men. Not specifically about physical contact
/r/MensRights04/03/22 12:00 PM
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feminism is not compatible with mens rights I'm sorry, but it is. I am here, I exist. I'm on board with Egalitarianism too, but we should acknowledge men and women are different and we have different issues that need addressing differently, hence why I say I am feminist and support men.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 11:42 AM
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Do you have any evidence to say its most women? Rationally, they have no reason to support us I support men because I support all people. There's no hidden agenda. Just wanting to have a just world and system. Women are the dominant and privileged gender. Women dominate some areas, the same way men dominate some areas. Ideally there would be equal opportunity and rights for all and this would even out
/r/MensRights04/03/22 11:39 AM
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How so? Please explain
/r/MensRights04/03/22 11:26 AM
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Can you please not say 'most women'. Most women and people are very rational.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 11:17 AM
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Most Feminists don't give a shit about the definition. Most Feminists just use it as a shield to deflect criticism, like you're doing now. Who are 'most feminists'? How often do you actually enter a discussion with one. I am here talking to you, and telling you outright that this is true for me "The forces surrounding it?" Like what, world war one? Please be more specific. Exactly, WW1. My main point is that Feminism has had positive impact in the world Again, using the dictionary definition to …
/r/MensRights04/03/22 11:12 AM
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"Egalitarianism is the doctrine that all people should be treated equally and deserve equal rights and opportunities. The fundamental difference between the two is that Feminism believes gender discrimination needs to be eliminated so that Egalitarianism can reach its maximum potential"
/r/MensRights04/03/22 11:01 AM
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The definition is irrelevant. This is a ludicrous thing to say You said that Feminism earned women the right to vote. The post I linked challenges that notion, and supplants the idea that camaraderie following WW1 was how women actually got the vote. Again.. I said feminism and the forces surrounding it. I didn't give feminism all the credit My point is that a Feminist being, "Non-radical," doesn't stop them from being a misandrist Men can be misandristic even. Children can. Old people, whoever.…
/r/MensRights04/03/22 10:53 AM
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So how do you suggest people rectify this?
/r/MensRights04/03/22 10:37 AM
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You're wrongfully conflating women and Feminism. MRA's don't have a problem with women. In fact, many prominent MRA's are women. And women can be anti-feminists. You know the definition of Feminism right? 'The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes'. See myth 5. I didn't say the vote was only restricted by gender. So I don't understand the point of you directing me to this Even non-radical Feminists frequently hold misandristic beliefs Of course they can. The same …
/r/MensRights04/03/22 10:33 AM
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How does this make anything any better? Extremist Feminism is still Feminism. Besides, many ideas that you can find in so-called, "Extremist Feminism," are probably still going to be present, in some form, in other kinds of Feminism. I agree that radical feminism can be dangerous. But again, not all feminists are radical. Claiming that something is, "Out of context," also doesn't excuse it. What sort of context could make the things listed in the post I linked okay? I'm not suggesting it does. B…
/r/MensRights04/03/22 10:00 AM
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OK.. I clicked into a few of those links, and it even states itself 'extreme feminist/feminism'. Some of it also seems to be taken out of context in regard to our history (you can't always judge past actions by today's standards). Even if I assume everything there proves that feminism is against men, and assume its all legitimate, that doesn't automatically mean I advocate for it. The feminism movement is constantly evolving and like anything, there are internal disagreements.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 09:32 AM
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Yes. Almost like 'realise', 'understand' too. Appreciate is almost like acknowledgement, but will feelings attached, I'd say
/r/MensRights04/03/22 09:05 AM
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Sorry, I am struggling to be able to tell.. what is the question ha. Why did that happen? From my interpretation, if you were still talking alot before she ghosted, maybe she had feeling for you and wanted to eject herself from the situation in case of any risk of you jeopardising your relationship. Or, she was just after the position attention, and once she had it, she no longer got anything from your conversation. Women like the chase too... but I'm not totally sure Edit: or! Maybe she was hur…
/r/MensRights04/03/22 09:02 AM
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Synonym; I acknowledge
/r/MensRights04/03/22 08:46 AM
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Yes I agree - I only state the women point as we are in the same situation. Sometimes men don't want physical contact due to fear of accusation, and therefore we miss out on it more and more. It's good you have your family. My family/friends have never been very physical ~ in my case it has led to sexual promiscuity
/r/MensRights04/03/22 08:42 AM
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How so
/r/MensRights04/03/22 08:38 AM
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Women need physical contact too.. this isn't unique to men. However, I do appreciate loneliness is more prominent among men.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 08:21 AM
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This is a great post op! As a woman I thank you. I support men (but I am a feminist). Men's rights and women's rights sometimes need to be fought for separately, as we face different issues. But we shouldn't talk the other gender down
/r/MensRights04/03/22 08:13 AM
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Thank you for taking the time to answer! It's something that has confused me the whole time I have been here. And what you'd said makes a lot of sense. I also think some people here believe feminism means anti men, and that simply isn't true. Both genders should fight for equality, but I also think you need separate groups as some issues are individual to that group (but voices crossing over is important, and those issues often come from a men v women origin). It seems some men here think femini…
/r/MensRights04/03/22 08:09 AM
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I think its great that men and people who want to advocate for men's right have this subreddit, but what I don't get is.. I am a woman, and whenever I give an opposing view in here / see any women given opposing opinions, we get down voted and/or insulted because of differing perspectives. How about try having a back and forth discussion? You're more likely to change minds/get people on side. I considered myself a moderate feminist. And advocate for men's rights. But 20% of this subreddit is peo…
/r/MensRights03/03/22 06:33 PM
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Is there any evidence that feminists are against this?
/r/MensRights06/02/22 05:28 PM
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I understand you're initial comment about my comment being irrelevant. But the feminism bashing in this thread was concerning. Some men need to stop blaming women for all of their problems. Their outrage should be at their own gender firstly, second the media, and thirdly we need a more unified approach to tackle all violence.
/r/MensRights19/01/22 04:16 PM
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If we're talking general statistics I don't know a great deal about individual murders = kill counts. I was more referring to war and mass murders. But if you're interested who I believe is the most prolific outside of Hitler, stalin etc, then look up vasily blokhin
/r/MensRights19/01/22 04:09 PM
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Ah yes, I know that case. And it was horrendous. No arguments there.. but it seems you are intentionally ignoring all and any male murders, like the obvious, but alas... (and to be contrary only half a dozen was ever confirmed re Amelia). The point is, lots of people are awful. But in regard to this post, what should be noted is that a huge number of men commit violent crime on the other men, and the take away shouldn't be blaming woman somehow, but instead teaching men violence isn't the answer…
/r/MensRights19/01/22 03:59 PM
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I agree it isn't 100% relevant- however i witnessed people in this thread blame feminism for this, when they should be blaming the media. Who is the woman with the highest kill count? Men and women murder children in equal measure.. if I'm wrong, please cite where you got this information
/r/MensRights19/01/22 03:42 PM
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I'm a feminist and I acknowledge this is true
/r/MensRights19/01/22 01:01 PM
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Surely it's still relevant that more men kill men, and more men kill women. Overall women are less likely to commit violent crimes. This argument only works if women are killing each other... which they're not
/r/MensRights19/01/22 10:13 AM
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