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How much of a freak? Hand me the remote to your vib, out in public. Tell me you like a man in control, and hand me a pair of handcuffs. Maybe too much for you? Be clear, there's all levels of freak. These are middling and shouldn't shock most men. Pull out a razor blade and electric cattle prod and you might get a negative reaction.
/r/seduction17/07/21 12:41 AM
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Strange results: some girls have gone far out of their way to avoid me, starting from 8+ meters away.
/r/seduction16/07/21 02:32 AM
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Why even ask a rhetorical question like that?
/r/seduction16/07/21 12:10 AM
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Girl, you hardly told us anything about him. How should we know?
/r/seduction16/07/21 12:06 AM
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Some people do, but that's learned. The in-born preference goes the other way. It's cool though, you probably have an easier time getting what you want.
/r/seduction15/07/21 07:20 PM
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It would be awesome if you went shock white in your 20s. You'd really stand out.
/r/seduction15/07/21 06:12 PM
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This is an open sub, anyone can join and plenty of advice is bad. Even myself, I wish people would tell me how well my advice worked for them. Vadeem seems decent, just took a quick look. Seems he's friends with Austen Summers who is also decent.
/r/seduction15/07/21 05:49 PM
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Act like you don't worry about it. Next time she's over, flirt and try to escalate. If she rejects, act like you don't worry about it, step back to the level she was comfortable with, and escalate again a little later.
/r/seduction15/07/21 07:19 AM
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None of us know, so take your best shot and maybe it works out.
/r/seduction15/07/21 06:52 AM
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Todd V gets a bad rap, but he's not bad. Of the people currently on YouTube, he's in the top group. If you disagree, use your reply to tell us who's better.
/r/seduction15/07/21 05:53 AM
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Yes, the whole world is racist and it's not some social construct. Humans prefer lighter skin, hair, and eyes. The darker your skin, the more disadvantage you have. Everyone's born with disadvantages, it's up to you to overcome them or not. One of the worst things you can do is dwell on it and blame everyone else. I'm glad you're not that type, OP.
/r/seduction15/07/21 05:52 AM
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Been going direct lately after watching Todd V on Youtube but I get a lot of blowouts and "Thanks, but no thanks" kind of reactions. It's a high risk, high reward strategy. You really have to sell it with body language or it won't work at all. Have problems hooking in women, and I'm not good at thinking on my feet so I should probably have a plan of questions/statements to make when in set. What are you saying to them? Be specific. I got one number doing about 72 approaches but she wasn't intere…
/r/seduction15/07/21 04:31 AM
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Okay, but she acts exactly like sex workers act on those apps.
/r/seduction15/07/21 12:14 AM
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Ask her prices, she's a pro.
/r/seduction14/07/21 11:43 PM
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Okay. Does she know you just want a hookup? If not, and if you're sure that's all you want, you should just tell her. Most guys have to take girls out on dates to get sex, but maybe she's down. Whatever you want, you have to lead things there. She won't.
/r/seduction14/07/21 10:30 PM
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We exchanged a few texts on the weekend, but she eventually stopped answering. I don't know why, we were just having a normal conversation Maybe too boring. Why are you chatting endlessly over text? Maybe she just wanted to hook up with you but you bored her to death talking about whatever. You may have lost this girl already, but normally you'd just ask her out or ask her to come over (if you think she's ready).
/r/seduction14/07/21 10:17 PM
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Being a man is about taking those risks. Women don't want a timid guy, and they're probably talking about you as the hot timid guy already. Be brave. Build sexual tension (teasing, eye contact, body language). Break the touch barrier. Seed the idea of going to your place with an innocent reason, and later harvest that idea to pull her to your place. Lots of touch, confidence, lead her to sex.
/r/seduction14/07/21 09:40 PM
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I agree with this downvoted comment. Sometimes girls are attracted to you right off. If you notice that, you can skip steps like building attraction, and she'll appreciate it. That's not every girl, but it does happen. I realize this post is meant for beginners, but we have to be honest with people. Don't over-simplify just to make it simple, because then it's a lie.
/r/seduction14/07/21 09:00 PM
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Physical escalation toward sex? https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/hlmra/dicarlo_escalation_ladder_concise_and_emphasized/
/r/seduction14/07/21 07:34 PM
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If you felt awkward about it, so did she. If you acted like it was normal, she would feel fine about it. It's not like a guy talking to girls is a bad thing.
/r/seduction14/07/21 07:30 PM
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The friend introducing you might have helped with the yes girl. Why do you think the other girls gave you bad reactions?
/r/seduction14/07/21 07:10 PM
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She can feel how she wants, we didn't set the rules of the game. If too many men figure out how to cheat, and that results in less fit children, then women will evolve the rules. Of course, that's a race between DNA for the rules and group intelligence for cheating. Women would be better off if they used the rules their fathers told them, but that's not modern society.
/r/seduction14/07/21 06:54 PM
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Maybe, depends on the situation.
/r/seduction14/07/21 06:50 PM
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I had to go to work shortly thereafter (and she knew this before the date lol) i s You weren't available for sex.
/r/seduction14/07/21 05:03 PM
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Loud clubs are made for physical over verbal. Go with it, you can communicate everything you need without words.
/r/seduction14/07/21 06:13 AM
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It's saying partners like partners who keep winning in the relationship. There's a bit of truth there, but overall I disagree.
/r/seduction14/07/21 05:46 AM
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Your logistics were bad and she knew you were just teasing her. Doesn't seem like there's anything to talk about here, except your mind working overtime for nothing.
/r/seduction14/07/21 05:44 AM
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JM doesn't seem creepy. I think Krauser is right about JM that he has no game, but creepy isn't his problem. If you're high-energy, go with a high-energy coach for sure.
/r/seduction14/07/21 05:40 AM
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I mumble and stutter a lot Speech coach? Talk slower? 70 approaches is great! Your percentages are low so there are things you could do better. If I lived near you I'd wing, that's the best way to get better. One guy cold approached in a small town until he got good. The girls who rejected him early would change their minds when they saw him doing well with other women.
/r/seduction14/07/21 05:37 AM
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It means he gets his emotional state right, so he's feeling right to approach women.
/r/seduction14/07/21 05:35 AM
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Yes. Shit tests exist to test if you're being deceptive. Women don't want a pretender. This is all part of game.
/r/seduction14/07/21 05:31 AM
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Evolution. Women aren't shy per-se, they're risk-averse. They don't want to be seen as responsible for anything that could cause them problems later. This isn't just humans, in most animals the female is the play-it-safe sex while the males take the risks. For example, in song birds which sex does all the singing?
/r/seduction14/07/21 02:06 AM
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Scientifically Proven Seduction Meal Imagine pitching that study to the ethics board.
/r/seduction13/07/21 11:53 PM
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I've only seen 30 minutes of his content. He's low energy and self-deprecating and laughs at his own jokes, but somehow comes across as genuine. I notice he doesn't let tension build in his conversations. He plays it very cool, it works for him. I wonder if he gets many Fs out of the deal though. Maybe girls think he's mysterious, maybe they just flake. Hard to say. Krauser had some choice words about James. Says he's mostly about hookers and has zero game. Rings true to me. https://duckduckgo.c…
/r/seduction13/07/21 10:55 PM
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You seem confused. The girl went for the guy she could get. You weren't available, why should she choose you? What does any of this have to do with genuine connections? Those are easier to form in person, not online. Stop beating yourself up. Sleep, do your exams, and come at dating fresh after that.
/r/seduction13/07/21 10:22 PM
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do you want someone who is on the fence about you? Only if you convince her. Nobody wants sex with a girl like your story.
/r/seduction13/07/21 09:01 PM
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You had one strange experience and then made a rule for yourself. Now you're pushing your rule on the internet. You can have whatever rules you want, but you're not going to sell me on it. Gaming during my daily life 100% doesn't work for me, but it's great if you can do it.
/r/seduction13/07/21 07:40 PM
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Once she's over, and if she asks about it, you can say whatever you want about it. If it was really a problem you could even buy a fake online.
/r/seduction13/07/21 07:09 PM
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I'm glad you have enough game to not lose the Yes Girls, but game is really about getting the Maybe Girls. If you're only out there looking for girls who already want you, then it's a huge numbers game and a huge time sink. (Even a worse time sink than pickup is already)
/r/seduction13/07/21 07:08 PM
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the best guy I've ever seen with girls was short, skinny fat, had round cheeks, and spoke with a lisp and he could work with anything, intial attraction or no initial attraction, he even works with initial attraction that's directed at others. He used to use me as bait and yeah the women initially wanted me but usually left with him. I'd love to hear more about that. Have you posted about it anywhere?
/r/seduction13/07/21 07:03 PM
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Clever man. If I ever try online dating again, I'm on house arrest for sure.
/r/seduction13/07/21 06:39 PM
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Let's break down what you said. "Hi" is how you get her to stop. It probably works but it seems awkward. If she's walking and you look over her and say those words, she'll feel pressured to stop but won't want to. It's also a bit boring. The "I noticed" line has the good element that you're saying something about her. That might make her want to talk to you, but you're laying your cards on the table instantly with the "ask out" part. I suggest Torero's Wheel of Fortune stop (while saying "stop, …
/r/seduction13/07/21 06:36 PM
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She's going to feel threatened. She's alone in a steam room with a strange man, her instinct says to worry. I suggest you sit further away from her compared to other situations. Do smile, do convey in tone and body language that this is normal. Especially, don't look tense or worried. Strongly consider a less direct opener. It would help if you started talking to her as soon as you walk in. Even the three second rule is too long here, just start with hello.
/r/seduction13/07/21 06:26 PM
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Low risk, low reward.
/r/seduction13/07/21 06:20 PM
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A girl who: has to one-up me in everything is too disagreeable looks unhealthy talks politics insults men makes demands of me (we just met!) exhibits indicators of mental disorder flakes shows no interest in me
/r/seduction13/07/21 06:18 PM
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Philosophy is dead, killed by the theory of evolution. We didn't need bullshit intellectual structures of why the world exists after Darwin discovered the truth. I strongly suggest you do your own thing and don't try to impress her by getting into bullshit philosophies.
/r/seduction13/07/21 06:14 PM
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She means, you take the lead and make the decisions without running it by her. It doesn't mean get her a gift or take her to some super-fancy place. If she did mean that I would advise ghosting her.
/r/seduction13/07/21 06:11 PM
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He's not ready for that bit of wisdom. Just between us, the thought of marrying a feminist...
/r/seduction13/07/21 06:10 PM
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Yes, but the cause of the problem came earlier. What you're describing is a very common problem, this isn't some new thing to us.
/r/seduction13/07/21 06:08 PM
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Your confidence, conviction, and strength are more important than any sex technique. Be dominant and decisive in the bedroom, have your way with her and make her do what you want. Having said that, the G-spot and A-spot are good targets. You'll have to use specific positions to make those work, especially the A-spot. For sex positions use https://badgirlsbible.com/ Again though, your personality is the main thing. Women want to be fucked like an animal by a manly man.
/r/seduction12/07/21 11:33 PM
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Tinder is designed like a gambling app. They just showed you a bunch of beautiful people to make you like the app. They want you to spend time and money on the app trying to succeed, and they'd rather not lose you as a customer. That happens when you find someone. The women on those apps have as many matches as they want, and Tinder itself is a hookup app. They're mostly out to get laid by hot guys. Tinder and other dating apps can work if you're hot. If you don't find a way to stand out (top 20…
/r/seduction12/07/21 11:29 PM
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No no no, he needs to flirt in person. Make the meeting memorable, the phone number is worth nothing without the good feelings in her mind.
/r/seduction12/07/21 11:21 PM
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She has low self-confidence, so she took it as an insult. I don't know of a high-percentage response, so just say anything you think might work. I would double down. "Mommy, this cute man called me a nerd! Does he even like me?? wimper cry sob I don't understand men!!!"
/r/seduction12/07/21 10:37 PM
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I think it's because of my academic bubble. Yes, that's where feminism is strong. So you know, those people are likely to turn on you. Try telling them you think feminism is horrible, see how they react. Did you know, feminist women are famously attracted to right-wing men? And famously un-attracted to left-wing men? Maybe that's a better topic to bring up, in a careful way.
/r/seduction12/07/21 10:29 PM
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If he's shy, he probably has no game and doesn't understand why you act the way you do. You're going to have to chase him, and sometimes you'll have to say things clearly when you want to be mysterious instead. Nerves you'll get over after sex. Feel free to remind him you're nervous, better than looking stupid.
/r/seduction12/07/21 10:21 PM
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He probably didn't spend enough time with them, or didn't flirt. After a while the women didn't have the right feelings about him, and forgot why she gave her number in the first place. Be more memorable.
/r/seduction12/07/21 09:43 PM
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A man bold enough to walk up and start a conversation with a stranger in public, is that really the guy you want to pick a fight with? As a woman? It's not a common problem.
/r/seduction12/07/21 09:41 PM
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If you do that you'll get stuck in the friend zone. It's far easier to set the mood early than to change it later.
/r/seduction10/07/21 12:16 AM
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We bring up funny topics but nothing for me to really build sexual tension with. You have to steer the conversation that way. Creative misinterpretation can help! The date didn't blow her mind, and the further removed she was the less she liked the idea of another date. Ask her out one more time, next week. Then leave the ball in her court.
/r/seduction09/07/21 10:43 PM
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The dance community has a ton of sex, but the dancing itself isn't the usually the flirt. You'll have to do more than dance well.
/r/seduction09/07/21 10:21 PM
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All of them, when they're horny enough.
/r/seduction09/07/21 10:19 PM
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Did you ever lay out your text game strategy somewhere?
/r/seduction09/07/21 10:17 PM
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Yes... if she messages anything that seems to imply sex or her coming over, tell her to come over. Otherwise let her miss you and be frustrated by the lack of sex.
/r/seduction09/07/21 10:16 PM
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It's not a shit test, she's trying to get him to chase. There's a difference.
/r/seduction09/07/21 10:14 PM
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Cool. You can do that in a way that leads to sex, you know. "Oh my God, your photographer is shit. Where's the unsubscribe button?"
/r/seduction09/07/21 10:12 PM
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The whole story is so vague. I don't know if you asked her out as a date, or if you were clear enough about it. I don't know if she feels anything for you. If you were this vague with her, she's naturally confused.
/r/seduction09/07/21 10:11 PM
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I don’t usually respond to it cause I’m pretty sure she sends them to more guys and it’s just a thirst trap. Strange. Ask your sister about it, get a sense of things. If she really sends these out widely, then she's seeking attention and should be treated that way. "You are such an attention whore. I normally wouldn't, but I'm bored tonight. Come over. No sex, so don't even think it."
/r/seduction09/07/21 09:06 PM
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Some church’s have single ministries. Oh God, not the aged sluts with kids who now go to Church because they can't find any other men.
/r/seduction09/07/21 08:57 PM
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Is there any reason to think she's attracted to you? Did you flirt? Did she? This whole thing sounds platonic. That's hard to change, double hard over texts.
/r/seduction09/07/21 08:56 PM
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It's also true that most young women are in college Is it?
/r/seduction09/07/21 08:04 PM
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The next moment she was trying to remove my underwear but I said no because if she doesnt want to, I wont either. Yeah... don't do that next time.
/r/seduction09/07/21 08:02 PM
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Come find out
/r/seduction09/07/21 08:01 PM
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Anyone else feel like cold approaching is draining? It can be, especially if you're an introvert. As your results get better, you'll have a better feeling about it.
/r/seduction09/07/21 08:00 PM
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You opened directly and honestly and got a positive response. High risk, high reward. Good for you! You must be doing something right.
/r/seduction09/07/21 07:14 PM
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That's better, but you didn't sell it and it still comes across weak. Have you done Bob's on Union? The crab cakes are so satisfying they'll curl your toes. Meet me there, Thursday at noon. And before you say it, yes, these scheduling games with women are stupid. It would be easier to ask their whole schedule. We have to play these games though, you've seen what happens when you don't.
/r/seduction09/07/21 05:31 PM
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Two women are going camping to sleep in a tiny tent with you, they're sold already. Your job is to make them feel good about it, avoid making them feel bad about it in any way, and physically escalate. You could verbally escalate as well, but it's easy to come across as unsure. Part of this is like a test. If you're dumb enough to not understand the situation, they won't want you. Alternately, maybe they see you as SUPER harmless and trustworthy, like not even a man. If that's the case then it's…
/r/seduction09/07/21 05:18 PM
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Post screenshots to get useful feedback
/r/seduction09/07/21 05:14 PM
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Her: Do you like my friend? You: Maybe... So simple. You're hurting her more with your dishonesty saying you like them both. You're wrecking your own chances, too. (Everyone knows maybe means yes)
/r/seduction09/07/21 05:13 PM
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She told you exactly where you went wrong by not replying to the bad message. You did fine until the end. You asked her to semi-commit to a whole week and she has no idea what boring shit you have planned. It also sounds desperate, like you're going to arrange your schedule around her life. Next time, ask her to a specific time and place. Sell the place some to make it sound fun. The guys who said you asked her out early are just wrong, she gave you a strong yes. They have the top 3 most upvoted…
/r/seduction09/07/21 05:11 PM
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Maybe she doesn't like texting. You'd better ask her out to a date before she gives up on you.
/r/seduction09/07/21 05:06 PM
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You have to chase because he's above your level. You double texting is a fact of life in these cases. It's not about your self esteem, but the fact that you want him more than he wants you.
/r/seduction09/07/21 05:05 PM
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Asking for time is a super indirect opener. Super low risk, super low reward. She won't know why you're there, and if she guesses, she won't respect your courage.
/r/seduction09/07/21 03:56 AM
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Tom Torero calls it that, it comes from the London daygame group. Run after her, hold your arm out so she's at least that far away, and walk around until you're directly in her path. Talk and smile while you do it, tell her to stop. The Wheel of Fortune, because you wheel around her.
/r/seduction09/07/21 03:55 AM
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Are you transparent about wanting casual sex? Yes. I'm covert about maybe wanting a girlfriend.
/r/seduction09/07/21 02:52 AM
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8 Stylish clothing (EXTREMELY IMPORTANT) Wish I would have made this number 1. Stores I recommend h/m, dillards, bananna republic, and express. Are you trolling us?
/r/seduction09/07/21 02:51 AM
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Let her pass, check her out from behind, then run after her and do the "wheel of fortune" move to stop her, then open. Tell her something you noticed about her.
/r/seduction09/07/21 02:50 AM
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Women have no trouble getting sex, it's commitment they lack. Specifically commitment from a sexy guy is hard to find. If you seem maybe committed and she's attracted to you, that's hard to leave. Girls who leave guys easily are likely to end up single for life as they age out of the dating market. Since men are less interested in women as they age, they tend to monkey-branch to lower quality men. Some women figure this out, some don't. Women, at 22 you can monkey-branch. At 26 think twice. In y…
/r/seduction09/07/21 02:48 AM
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Tease and flirt enough that she knows your intent. A tease is about her, a flirt is about the relationship between you. Be imaginative and don't stick to the facts. Ask her out on a date, she'll admire your courage.
/r/seduction09/07/21 01:45 AM
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You're a man, she's a woman, this is how it's meant to be. She has reasons to want you, you have reasons to want her. Do it.
/r/seduction08/07/21 08:34 AM
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when I look at myself in the mirror or take pics I look good but when someone records me I look nothing like You know that's normal, right? It's the same with your voice, a recording of your voice sounds strange to you. There's nothing to be done but avoid watching videos of yourself.
/r/seduction08/07/21 08:17 AM
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That's good, but she's led the interaction thus far. She wants you to be the man and lead, so make plans for if the date goes well.
/r/seduction08/07/21 04:48 AM
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She gets drunk and the friend is on your side? Good combination, have her call you when they're drunk.
/r/seduction08/07/21 04:46 AM
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Tattoos are polarizing. Some like, some hate. I think you could do better with another approach.
/r/seduction08/07/21 04:44 AM
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Was she more into him than me? Yes. She used you to get to him. This isn't ambiguous.
/r/seduction08/07/21 04:08 AM
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Hey girl. It's been hard not to notice your laser eyes drilling through my skull. My girlfriend has been too clingy, so if you want a chance the time is now. I'm name, you? Give a moderate smile while talking, and hold out your hand to shake at the end. She wants to chase you, so let her. Convince yourself that you don't care how it works out. Put less energy and attention in than she does. She's already attracted to you, so you don't need much game there. Talk 5 minutes and ask her out somewher…
/r/seduction08/07/21 03:56 AM
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You need to practice social skills. Make friends and find social interactions.
/r/seduction08/07/21 03:48 AM
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I’ll never understand how guys can just go up to girls and get them to come home with them. They push themselves to do it. I don't mean to be cruel, but you wouldn't do her a favor being in her life like you are now. You need to work on yourself quite a bit. While you're working on yourself, feel free to use prostitutes to get your needs met. And get a social life going, humans need friends.
/r/seduction08/07/21 03:30 AM
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I avoid strippers, but the ones I've talked to seemed... let's say I wouldn't give them book recommendations. Have you considered that you're putting way too much effort into your text?
/r/seduction08/07/21 03:25 AM
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Oh, you're back with a yet another new account but the same body issues. You've posted this shit, what, 100 times now? Go away.
/r/seduction08/07/21 03:21 AM
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She cancelled to have a girls night out? That's bad. If she flakes one more time, it's the "you seem busy, let me know when you're available" and cut her out until she invites you. You would be there already but she did invite you over once. Your example text seems too emotionally available for someone who's not making you a priority.
/r/seduction08/07/21 03:12 AM
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I avoid crazy. Do what you must to get her out of your mind.
/r/seduction08/07/21 02:16 AM
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Well, you could ignore her and feel awkward the whole time. Or you could tell her how it is and be at peace. Or you could wuss out and stop going. Your call.
/r/seduction07/07/21 11:29 PM
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Tinder is a shithole for dating. Those girls will have as many guys messaging them as they want. Maybe 50 in a day. Most of those guys are nice and boring. Don't put much effort in, act like you don't care, and don't be afraid to say whatever. Less texting is better, because Tinder is a hookup app. They know it and they'll think you're stupid for acting some other way.
/r/seduction07/07/21 10:32 PM
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I've never seen a super smart hot nurse. As a rule, they're neither. Nurses also have a terrible reputation for bad personality. She's probably not out of your league at all. She probably gets far less attention than you think.
/r/seduction07/07/21 10:29 PM
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How could I have handled it better? First and most, be honest and accepting of yourself. You felt awkward, so she felt awkward. Second, if you don't want to do it, you're allowed to just say that. You probably won't get another date, not that you'd want one. If you want her to chase you more, just pull back the attention for a while. Maybe that'll get you in the mood. Alternately, you know there's a reason many guys have women suck it first. That could help, or you could tease her by touching an…
/r/seduction07/07/21 10:25 PM
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Remember that your friends are more important than some girl. Act accordingly. Don't run to her when she arrives, maybe give her a nod and get to her when it's convenient for you. It's okay if she sees you flirting with other girls. In other words, do your thing with the people you like, and let her share your life a little. Be friendly with her, no need to be cold. Stop and talk with her if it's convenient, don't worry about it otherwise.
/r/seduction07/07/21 09:49 PM
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This happens. You worked her emotions and got her ready, and she didn't get you ready. Maybe she didn't show you good things about her, maybe she didn't chase you, or maybe your intuition picked up on something and shut things down. The idea that a man always fucks is nonsense. You're a man, do what you want to do. If you don't want to fuck, then don't fuck, and don't worry about it. Worrying will only make it happen again. If it's a recurring problem, you might feel unworthy. You can work throu…
/r/seduction07/07/21 09:44 PM
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I was thinking just waiting till like friday or sat and saying like "hey, my friends and I are going to this bar later and you're more than welcome to come" something along those lines. She wants to see you, not your friends. Wait a few days and ask her on a date. Make the event sound fun, and don't do any of that "you're welcome to" shit. Either tell her to come, or say that you want to see her.
/r/seduction07/07/21 09:19 PM
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Good answers, but there's another way to see it. Sometimes girls like to tell hard truths in a light way. She might be telling you that she has real problems, so keep an eye out for it.
/r/seduction07/07/21 09:13 PM
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Dating apps? How about get her number and have her take a photo right there and MMS it to you. Or a short video chat.
/r/seduction07/07/21 08:28 PM
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She's asking you to flirt with her.
/r/seduction07/07/21 08:26 PM
2

Every time you fail to approach, the pressure gets worse. Take out a sheet of paper, and write the plausible good and bad things that could happen if you approach. I'm thinking the bad side will be pretty short. All that remains is to take the small leap of faith, push through your fear. Get your rational brain sorted with the paper exercise, and push through your emotional block by just doing it quickly.
/r/seduction07/07/21 07:38 PM
3

Find another girl. It works.
/r/seduction07/07/21 07:33 PM
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It could be anything. Try flirting with her with the intent to meet soon, and see if you can convince her. If you can't meet in person, cut her off.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:46 PM
1

Put a little less energy into texting than she does. Tell yourself you don't mind if you lose this girl. This will give you the best chance to succeed. Figure out how to meet up soon.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:43 PM
1

Don't down-sell it right off, make it sound exciting and if she looks interested but scared you can tell her about the lower cliffs.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:41 PM
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In the examples I'm thinking of, the lines sound straight awkward. It must feel awkward to the guy saying them. The first step is to find a way to say it that feels natural to you. Calibrating it to how a particular girl feels at the moment is secondary to just feeling right about yourself. For example, if you come in with too-high energy, that's uncalibrated. But at least you look like you're having fun and being yourself, right? If you feel awkward, she'll feel awkward too.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:37 PM
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DMd herself from my phone “you are gorgeous”. I didnt get what that was about. If she was telling me that im gorgeous or pretending i texted her that to show someone. The latter. Your problem here isn't texting, you just didn't convince her in-person. She was never really into you.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:26 PM
1

Try to convert those cold approaches into instadates. If you must take a number, be sure to build plenty of attraction to avoid this problem. If you have enough time, build some comfort too.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:20 PM
2

Most guys won't cliff jump, I bet 99 out of 100 girls won't try it unless it's pretty low. Plus side, you see her body without makeup. Also, you're not spending money on her. Down side, can be hard to transition to a more intimate setting.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:16 PM
1

You're 19. Do you have something better to do with your time? Give it a shot.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:14 PM
2

If you're not doing cold reads, and you're not making a story, you're going to struggle for things to say. The whole point of those is to bait her into conversation. I don't think there's anything wrong with those ideas, maybe it's a matter of practice. I've seen people say textbook-perfect lines that come across as awkward. If you can find a decent wing, you can work on this stuff together.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:12 PM
2

Work you do for the money to live your life. 40 hours is normal. Yes, it takes your time and energy but most people have enough left over.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:01 PM
1

If she won't meet up, who cares about the rest? She declined twice and didn't offer an alternative. The next step is to tell her she sounds busy and to get back to you when she's available. Then you stop texting and only respond if it sounds like she's ready to meet.
/r/seduction06/07/21 09:24 PM
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Why not check the demographics data for those cities? Lots of men are getting laid in both cities. I think you're best off working to be one of those men, rather than hoping a move will solve your problems.
/r/seduction06/07/21 09:21 PM
1

Let me say it another way. When people have a problem, there are two approaches to solve it. Men find a way to overcome the problem. Women complain about problems and hope someone else will solve it for them. I don't see anywhere that you talk about how to overcome the problem, what you're going to do about it, or where you ask for advice on what to do. Call it what you like, but talking about the problem and how it's unfair and how it's other people's fault is what women do. It doesn't work for…
/r/seduction06/07/21 09:12 PM
3

I post here to help people. I tell you that you're whining because it's a truth you need to hear. I'm not here to hurt your feelings. Right now you're focusing on why life isn't fair, and you're parroting phrases from a political group that encourages such nonsense. That will only hold you down. You have a disadvantage in life. We all have those. How are you going to overcome it? How will you make your success in life? That's what being a man is all about. You can do this, or you can fail. It's …
/r/seduction06/07/21 08:07 PM
3

That was whining. Your post, whining. Your comments, whining. You can be better than this, or you can keep whining and get nowhere.
/r/seduction06/07/21 07:42 PM
2

It sucks that we still live in a world where this matters. Every person in the world cares about race, and always will. Stop whining about it and learn to thrive. Your problem isn't your race, I assure you most white men aren't pursued by women either. Your problem is your own inaction. Take charge of your life and make good things happen. Nobody will do it for you.
/r/seduction06/07/21 07:27 PM
1

I'm actually rather shy. This gives me further concerns, girls won't like that. They won't like it. Do girls actually like to be approached by hot guys in public or do they think it's weird and awkward anyway? Think for a moment, why do girls make such an effort to look good and put themselves out there? They want to be found by a good man. They're hoping you won't make it awkward, but shoot your shot.
/r/seduction06/07/21 07:23 PM
2

Guys who are willing to put effort into a relationship before sex are below your level. Men who will fuck you and nothing more are above your level. You want the men in the middle. Yes, that's going to take time and effort to figure out. Don't delay.
/r/seduction06/07/21 07:21 PM
1

Maybe she's just in it for attention and validation, maybe she's trying to make you chase because she wants you to ask her out. Ignore her, and when she taps for attention, look at her and ask her out. The rules of dating are that mens attention comes at the price of sex. Don't play into her attention games if she's not willing to go out with you.
/r/seduction06/07/21 08:56 AM
1

Women think making you jealous will make you want them more. It doesn't work but they're convinced it does. If you haven't replied, try "Wow, you're so bad at flirting" and let it drop. If she tries it another time, "You should ask him out." Wait a few weeks and invite her out to something fun. That means a specific event, time, and date. Be clear that it's not platonic, at least once you're in person. Ignore the guy who said this is friendzone. It's possible, but this is a pretty common tactic …
/r/seduction06/07/21 08:49 AM
1

It's not your fault, but maybe next time she could write the last message. I wouldn't put any effort into this, she'll come if she wants to come. This part doesn't make sense though: Then a week later, sent me a Hey in Instagram. She blowed me off sayin we are goin too fast
/r/seduction06/07/21 08:42 AM
2

Eventually you'll run into a cranky bitch who will complain. Might not even be someone you approached. When it happens, be friendly and easy-going with security. They've encountered crazy whiners before, it's part of the job. Also, it helps if you look like a customer rather than a loiterer. The more hours you put into a place, the less you look like a customer. That's hard to avoid, mall security will start to recognize you after a while even without complaints.
/r/seduction06/07/21 08:39 AM
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Girl, there's a range of guys that are good matches for you. If you're not willing to chase, the whole top of that range gets cut out. Yes, there's a power dynamic and if you chase too much it makes you look like you're the one who wants it more. If he's on the high end of your level, you have to chase and it looks just like it is.
/r/seduction06/07/21 08:34 AM
1

Very common problem these days. You think it's a good match for a relationship, but he thinks you're just good enough for sex. If you're dating men out of your league, you won't get a relationship. You'll offer sex, he'll partake and move on. Your level only drops as you age, be aggressive and find your level soon. Some women stop offering sex and focus only on relationship, that only works if you want guys below your level. Guys above your level want sex and nothing more. Guys near your level w…
/r/seduction06/07/21 08:26 AM
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Women's sexual preferences have been broken since the invention of farming. We've covered for it with social pressure and rules around marriage and courtship. The Communists broke all of that, so now we get to observe just how stupid people can be. Example: Women adore the confident rebel. In tribal times, a guy going around breaking the rules and doing what he wants was a big deal. He must be something special to pull that off, because if you continuously disrespect the chief and his men, they'…
/r/seduction05/07/21 07:19 AM
4

Hell no, that's the 10/10 "come fuck me now" edition.
/r/seduction05/07/21 06:58 AM
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The sexiest communication from women is all body language, not words. Example: a sitting women locks eyes, handles her hair, arches her back, spreads her legs at me. Can she send a stronger signal? Certainly not with words.
/r/seduction04/07/21 05:50 AM
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Her biggest erogenous zone is her brain. Making her hot is less about a particular sex technique, and more about how you shape her perception of you and what's happening. As I advised someone recently, your killer sex technique is a bad idea if it wrecks her perception of you. If she sees you as the bad muscle guy, maybe don't break out your widely acclaimed cunnilingus skills.
/r/seduction04/07/21 05:46 AM
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If you just want to have sex with her, don't worry about it. Let her bring up any possible obstacles if she wants, and let her worry if it's really a problem. If you have a moral problem with it, then find out.
/r/seduction04/07/21 05:43 AM
1

You might speak differently on the phone, some people do. You can learn to speak the same way in person.
/r/seduction03/07/21 06:23 AM
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You've got a bit of genius in you. Flip it around on her. Tease her that she's a black widow, out to rob men on dates. She's the bait, he's the hitter.
/r/seduction02/07/21 11:01 PM
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A chaperone, how old-school. Most people handle the safety problem by meeting in a public place. Her family might be religious, you might be getting into a no-sex relationship here. Ask her about it before the date. If you want to go through with it, tell her it's awkward but okay if he's willing to give you lots of space. He should bring a phone, fully charged. Gonna be boring. In a practical sense he's there to keep you from seducing his sister. You need to twist the rationale a bit and frame …
/r/seduction02/07/21 09:52 PM
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Why someone would want to filter out girls from online dating? Is that the question? Because many of them are horrible. A cheap date that's easy to escape from is gold when the girl is awful. If you're on Tinder and just meeting up for sex, that's another thing. You don't need to "go out" at all for that.
/r/seduction02/07/21 08:30 PM
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I'm a guy. Why don't you run the two scenarios past a bunch of women and see what they think? Tender sex with skilled oral, or the way I said above. Set the scenario as a girl with a wimpy BF who's flirting about your muscles and looking to cheat.
/r/seduction02/07/21 08:18 PM
1

You can lick or finger her to orgasm, but she probably has that already with the BF.
/r/seduction02/07/21 08:04 PM
1

You're lucky then, this girl has only dated a wimp. She seems hungry for something more real. You'll have to pretend you know what you're doing. I don't know if you've seen the rape and rough sex porn genres. What most people don't know is those genres are mostly for women, they're the main customers. I'm not telling you to rape someone, but to give you an idea how women really are. We're all animals, and sex is an animal act. She wants the animal you. If you get to sex with her, be decisive and…
/r/seduction02/07/21 07:49 PM
1

She might want a new BF, she might just want sex, she might want to keep you waiting as a backup, or she might be playing other games. Figure out which of those you would accept. My guess is, she just wants sex. If you flirt with her, try not to leave evidence on social media. Be discreet. Don't bring up any obstacles like the BF. If you meet up with her, don't flirt in public. Maybe don't even be seen together in public. If you get to sex, fuck the shit out of her. That's what she's missing.
/r/seduction02/07/21 06:32 PM
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Yes, she's flirting with you. She may want you to do something, or she may be setting you up as her backup guy. Doesn't sound like you owe this guy anything, so go for it.
/r/seduction02/07/21 06:15 PM
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It's a club, the music is crazy loud to prevent talking. Show her what you want with as few words as possible. You like body language, use it.
/r/seduction02/07/21 06:12 PM
0

She's a thief, that ring is his.
/r/seduction02/07/21 06:09 PM
3

Then why are you here? This isn't the friendship sub.
/r/seduction02/07/21 06:06 PM
1

Everyone has a girlfriend No they don't. Most kids graduate high school as virgins, way more than prior generations. If you want to kill it in school, learn how to be confident, how to flirt, be brave. The standards are so low, you can easily stand out. If there's a girl you like, wait 'til she's with her friends. Walk up to her and ask her out. She'll respect your courage. In HS, something like that is enough so long as you make yourself moderately attractive otherwise.
/r/seduction02/07/21 05:48 PM
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Girl, he's out of your league. If you play your IG game perfectly then he might fuck you, but you won't convert him into a boyfriend. He's not going to chase you, so you'll have to show your intent and chase him. Send a flirty (but not sexual) message and a good photo of you. If he takes an interest, don't play hard to get. Meet up for sex and have fun. It's better for you not to, since it fucks with your ability to pair-bond with a normal man later. Fantasize about this guy, but go out and get …
/r/seduction02/07/21 05:43 PM
0

Maybe 95% of men are afraid to approach and fantasize about girls approaching. But when it happens, it feels awkward and strange.
/r/seduction02/07/21 05:33 PM
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No matter what anyone tells you, coffee/breakfast/daytime dates are not preferable for the first several dates. Daytime dates for filtering out girls. They're great for online dating, and we all know why. Good post.
/r/seduction02/07/21 05:31 PM
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Good, but you didn't define rapport. Also one of your DQ examples is push/pull. I don't have a great definition of rapport, but when you feel connected to someone and you're mirroring each others motions, that's rapport.
/r/seduction02/07/21 05:20 PM
1

Your chance was on the elevator. She won't want to date the guy who let the chance slip away. Next time, shoot your shot.
/r/seduction02/07/21 05:13 PM
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PUAlingo has decent definitions. https://www.pualingo.com/qualification/ What is investment - how get a girl to invest more than us You lead the interaction until she hooks, then dial your energy way down to let her chase you a while. The amount of effort she puts into the conversation is her investment.
/r/seduction02/07/21 05:05 PM
1

Seems even more relevant to skinny guys than fat guys, don't you think? Fat guys need cardio.
/r/seduction02/07/21 04:57 PM
2

That's right
/r/seduction02/07/21 05:56 AM
2

It's not meaningless because it'll come up again in your life. Now you know what to do to make next time better.
/r/seduction02/07/21 05:07 AM
1

Normally you two wouldn't want each other based on age. Whatever. Flirt with her, make your intentions obvious but unstated. Hold eye contact, smile, have a goal in mind and try to lead her toward that goal.
/r/seduction02/07/21 04:58 AM
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No. The example is giving her an emotional ride, making the interaction fun for her. You're giving her what she wants, the thrill of chasing you. If you're afraid to be fun, then you're boring. I'm not responding after this because nobody cares to read so deep. Your outlook isn't healthy for you. She's an adult, she can take care of herself. Women push us far harder than we push them, and they're better at it. All of this together means you've got your head up your ass on this topic. Stop worryi…
/r/seduction02/07/21 04:55 AM
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Yes, that's the problem. Her reaction is normal. I get that there are complications, such is life. You still have to play the game the way women are willing to have it. Come up with a plan, explain it in a way that she doesn't feel like she's making a decision beyond yes/no.
/r/seduction02/07/21 04:46 AM
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True, but the example above is perfectly fine and you're way out of line reacting like this.
/r/seduction02/07/21 04:39 AM
2

She wants you to go out with her... and her boyfriend? She's strange, maybe she's just really bad at organizing a two-guy threesome. Maybe her friend is right, keep your guard up around this girl.
/r/seduction02/07/21 04:31 AM
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If you're always perfectly polite with women, they'll think less of you. This example is being playful and being brave. It's good fun, try it.
/r/seduction02/07/21 04:25 AM
2

You're quoting Wikipedia about game? The editors over there hate us, their articles are slander. If you want to know what these things are, how they work, and who they work on, maybe you should ask someone who knows.
/r/seduction02/07/21 04:22 AM
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when I’ve tried to clarify where exactly or what day they haven’t acknowledged it Are you putting girls in the position of having to decide something? Like a place or day? That's what's going wrong, they don't want to make the decisions.
/r/seduction02/07/21 04:13 AM
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Woah! Dude! You're telling me a girl didn't look like her profile pics??? How could this happen?! Cancel and move on to better things. There's nothing like trying to fuck a girl and your dick won't get hard.
/r/seduction02/07/21 04:08 AM
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Making you look less interested is the point of waiting.
/r/seduction02/07/21 03:54 AM
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I liked your post. Entertaining and true. Even so, women are all born with the same instincts, there are things they're prone to do. We have to be aware of those to protect ourselves. AWALT is real, but doesn't require an emotional response.
/r/seduction02/07/21 03:05 AM
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Pushing your sexual intent takes confidence. Maybe she's pushing you to see if you cave on your sexual intent, like a pussy. If that's the case, you're lucky because she'll like you more when you stand your ground. Be clear it's a date, don't get upset. If she backs out, that's life.
/r/seduction02/07/21 02:49 AM
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No, your body language is part of your toolset. Use it to keep things fun for her. She doesn't want you to be in love with her right away. Old school example: body rock.
/r/seduction02/07/21 02:46 AM
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OP is off on #1. Qualifying is when someone says why they're qualified. That's it. You don't want to be qualifying, it makes you look weak. If you make her qualify, it sets the frame that she's chasing you. That frame is critical in pickup, because women demand a man who's better than them. Example: You: You're so skinny, you could never keep up with me. Her: I'm super fit, I run every day! It can be more subtle too, so long as she feels a need to defend herself. By the way, the You comment abov…
/r/seduction02/07/21 02:44 AM
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Wow, the guys didn't like your comment! I know you mean well, so let me tell you why. We're a bunch of guys who work hard to understand women, who behave exactly not at all like society taught us they would. Unlearning and replacing everything is hard and painful. We do it because getting rejected and ignored is more painful. Along comes you, repeating that nonsense society taught us before. Of course you get a hard no. You probably think you understand women because you are a woman. Nope. Think…
/r/seduction02/07/21 02:34 AM
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Any ideas what she’s doing here, what the motive is? Maybe testing you, maybe she's confused. Don't start doubting yourself over such little things. Make your intent clear, lead, and let her choose as she will.
/r/seduction02/07/21 02:16 AM
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Woah, woah, what just happened there? You wrote pretty good rules but your example is supplicating. You're making her excuses for her, and robbing her of the chance to respond and have a fun conversation. Tell me you feel that too.
/r/seduction02/07/21 02:11 AM
1

This may sound a bit creepy to you guys but I had no one to teach me these social skills. It's like you have no idea who we are. Women can smell my fear no matter how much I try to hide it and so I've been having not much luck with dating. They're good at it. I feel like I can't take anymore rejection There's no way forward without risk, and the best ways forward are certain to have lots of rejection. Look, I feel you, but a pity party won't help. What are you going to do about it? I suggest a t…
/r/seduction02/07/21 02:06 AM
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This is the most commonly cited answer: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/hlmra/dicarlo_escalation_ladder_concise_and_emphasized/
/r/seduction02/07/21 01:58 AM
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(According to her friend she might have un diagnosed bipolarism) If true, stay away. Could be her girlfriend stabbing her in the back though, they do that. she made plans with me three times but she canceled them You left out too many details, far too many details. Maybe it's your fault, maybe hers. How should we know?
/r/seduction02/07/21 01:57 AM
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Dip your toes in certain areas of conversation to read her response, if positive proceed if negative back off. Interesting tip, haven't heard that before. Always have something to say, if you appear to lack conversational skills, you have lost. Agree with the latter part, but as you've noted, silence is part of conversational skill too. Do not be afraid to express genuine disdain for something she does/has done, but do not be a bitch about it. Practice positive reframing. No matter the context, …
/r/seduction02/07/21 01:52 AM
2

So i am more interested in the women's answers, almost all of which agree with me. You would be. Men aren't going to agree, and only men's opinions matter on that. Vaginas and wombs are the #1 (sometimes only) selling point for women, butts and boobs are just advertisements. A penis as the main selling point for men is nuts, men have to be so much more. Stop making new accounts and re-posting this shit. Talk to your therapist instead.
/r/seduction02/07/21 01:42 AM
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The fuck are you talking about? Your women friends are stupid, vaginas and wombs are the #1 (sometimes only) selling point for women, butts and boobs are just advertisements. A penis as the main selling point for men is nuts, men have to be so much more. I suggest you work through your vagina-esteem problems.
/r/seduction02/07/21 01:40 AM
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6 I really like, that's gold. The rest are good, but I'm less sure about 3. I'm worried that too much neutral face will convince her you're not into her at all. A fair amount of that is good, but too much and she'll stop chasing. It has to be a chase with occasional spikes to keep it fun. I know that's what you meant, OP.
/r/seduction02/07/21 12:39 AM
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Being male is risky in basically every way. If you respond by going female, that's on you.
/r/seduction02/07/21 12:32 AM
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^ is the good advice buried in this sea of bad advice. When you do ask her out again, sell the event as well as yourself. Give her reasons to say yes. And do get her number (for "logistics") when you ask her out, giving your number is infamously useless.
/r/seduction01/07/21 11:47 PM
0

It's 99% noobs.
/r/seduction01/07/21 11:44 PM
3

You almost played it right. You're right to stop giving her much attention, but wrong to act like you're hurt or that you care. You can act friendly but busy (so you can't stop and chat), and maybe ask her out again in a couple months. She'll get the message that flaking doesn't fly.
/r/seduction01/07/21 11:42 PM
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If you're cute, everyone wants to give you the benefit of the doubt. Use it.
/r/seduction01/07/21 11:37 PM
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You don't understand online dating. Those girls have hundreds of guys vying for their attention. They could have 50 guys message them on the same day. You expect that level of competition to be easy?
/r/seduction01/07/21 10:15 PM
1

Easy. Next time you make out, you're the one to stop. Push her back a little, look into her eyes a few seconds, take her hand, lead her to the bedroom, and push her down on the bed. Smile.
/r/seduction01/07/21 10:00 PM
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The bf is her problem, you just need to be discreet and let her handle the rest.
/r/seduction01/07/21 08:33 PM
1

As a man, if you're socially savvy, super confident, and show intent, that's enough. They already know how to act and react in the right ways. If you're not all that (yet), maybe some techniques will help.
/r/seduction01/07/21 07:20 PM
2

Take the opportunities life gives you!
/r/seduction01/07/21 07:17 PM
1

the confidence to approach an attractive girl in public without feeling like she will judge you or think you're a fucboi douche If some girl thinks that's me and wants to fuck, I'll be that guy for the moment. One year is a long time, if you're determined to change and you take lots of action, it's doable.
/r/seduction01/07/21 06:24 PM
1

Delete the panty pic, and stop beating yourself up. None of this will matter to you in a month.
/r/seduction01/07/21 06:17 PM
2

Sure you can, but that's not what the left teaches. Conservatives teach that men should be leaders, which is why I said he should know. That's why we have conversations, so we can understand each other. Now you know what I mean.
/r/seduction01/07/21 05:24 PM
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She claims she’s not but still like to go out and party and drink with her girlfriends. Riiiiight. You and I and everyone else knows what that means. Honestly the other comments are right, she'd like you more if you liked her less.
/r/seduction01/07/21 06:20 AM
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Cool, would have been even better if you made a time and place.
/r/seduction01/07/21 06:16 AM
2

It'll look like you want more than just sex, that's all.
/r/seduction01/07/21 05:19 AM
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I'm amazed how many red flags you stuck in such a short post. It's a recipe for disaster. How about you start dating women and maybe come back to this one when you've had some experience?
/r/seduction01/07/21 04:49 AM
3

I'm the same, a non-liberal in a hard-core liberal city. I choose not to date political activists and other morons. Outside of that, what's the problem? Not many women are going to choose some bullshit ideology over the manly man who just popped into their lives. Whatever you believe, it's on you to make it seem natural and right. Be confident, never apologize for your beliefs. As a conservative man, you should damned well know that you're the leader. Go lead. If you happen to get rejected by a …
/r/seduction01/07/21 04:43 AM
1

It's such a small detail to focus on. Surely the rest of your interaction had more opportunity to show value.
/r/seduction01/07/21 04:37 AM
2

There's no rule, do whatever you want. If you want to remain non-exclusive, don't contact her.
/r/seduction01/07/21 04:36 AM
3

Anyone knows about twin flames? No.
/r/seduction30/06/21 07:27 PM
2

I don't mind, but I probably don't have the right resources for you either.
/r/seduction30/06/21 07:26 PM
1

Too long for you, or for her? 7 years is too long for both, so get back to it already.
/r/seduction30/06/21 07:23 PM
2

Do your best to clean, and then convince yourself you don't care and it's not an issue. She will look to you to see if it's a problem or not. If you're ashamed, it's a problem.
/r/seduction30/06/21 07:15 PM
2

Backward thinking. Guys with abundance make moves, they're unafraid to make moves because they have abundance. Don't use that as an excuse to not make moves.
/r/seduction30/06/21 07:14 PM
1

Playing things super-safe is a feminine quality, women want you to be manly. If you play life by the surface-level rules rather than the real rules, nobody will respect you. To women, you're the guy who doesn't get it.
/r/seduction30/06/21 07:11 PM
2

I've never had that happen. Maybe she was dissing you, maybe she was hoping you'd do something about it. The idea that she hoped you'd touch her is plausible. I don't know why you were in group conversations on a date, you should form a love bubble for just the two of you.
/r/seduction30/06/21 07:05 PM
1

It's your loss too.
/r/seduction30/06/21 07:01 PM
1

Any alcohol is a no-go. Someone fed you political propaganda. Women get drunk to get laid, just like men. You're just handicapping yourself with that idea in your head.
/r/seduction30/06/21 07:01 PM
2

It depends where you are. Some cities have so many programmers that the women are sick of it, even though it's a solid career with good income. In other cities it makes you stand out from the crowd in a good way.
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:57 PM
2

Attraction is the #1 topic in all the pickup material. It's where most guys are weak so it's a popular topic. Mostly attraction is based on your body language, tone of voice, you teasing her, and staying cool if she hits you with frame tests. Your looks help too, of course. Comfort is just spending time and being honest with a girl. You still have to lead the conversation and keep it in the frame you want, that shows you as an attractive man, but honesty goes a long way toward squashing her fear…
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:55 PM
3

Only veteran players can pull the group. Most of us need to pick one and make it obvious. That doesn't mean you ignore the others, but one is your target and your behavior toward her is distinct.
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:50 PM
2

COVID hit everyone, it's a big opportunity to develop while others are still stuck in COVID habits.
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:48 PM
2

As usual, that's in your head. Once you've put in the work to be the best you can be, you won't respect lazy women either.
/r/seduction30/06/21 07:00 AM
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Legs crossed at me, eye contact, smiling, talkative etc. Could be cause it's just us I guess No. You probably lost this one by not escalating, but continue for the experience. As a rule you don't want her confused about whether you're looking for a friend. Even so, good job, keep at it!
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:56 AM
2

Good post. What does "let's link" even mean?
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:52 AM
1

It's not a 50/50 problem. Most women just show up and expect that to be enough. I know tons of men who work really hard their whole lives. To the women who work hard in ways men appreciate to get a better man, respect. To the rest of you, now you know why you're treated badly.
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:49 AM
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Yes, women who want top men should work on fitness and personality, and they have to put themselves out there to be found. That can be a ton of hours. I get the impression there aren't many women working that hard for top men, many women seem to think they're entitled.
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:31 AM
2

You're basically right. I would never give out my number as a guy, it's pointless. The fifth option is to have a mini date right away.
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:25 AM
1

It's not just escalation. You need to build attraction, and typically comfort as well. You can't escalate with someone who doesn't want it. When we talk about escalation, we usually mean physical touch and moving toward sex. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/hlmra/dicarlo_escalation_ladder_concise_and_emphasized/
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:21 AM
1

If she's interested, maybe you should skip to the part where you ask her out. In general, wait as long or longer than she does.
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:20 AM
3

Yes, it takes years to build top men. Women are born with it, we are not. I would not date another me, but men and women seek different qualities in partners. I used to be the kind of guy who had the qualities I wanted in a woman. That didn't work very well. I grew, so can you.
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:17 AM
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Don't let her lead the interaction. Acceptable responses: Come find out My place or yours?
/r/seduction30/06/21 06:10 AM
4

Being a player takes a ton of time and energy. It also means you don't really raise your own kids. Most guys would rather end up in a stable relationship (or maybe more than one) and have a part of their kids lives. At least you'll be able to pick her and know what's special about her, based on your experience.
/r/seduction29/06/21 08:54 PM
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I had an idea for you. Make her laugh, then say, "I don't have time right now, but I'm at BarName tonight with friends. Their drinks are liquid energy and the music will light your soul on fire. Meet me there at 8." You're selling the event here, the joke and body language sold you just before. If she agrees, get her number for "logistics." You're going to have a high flake rate, and a high "no" rate, that's life. The idea is to make your best play with the situation you have, and get what you c…
/r/seduction26/06/21 07:50 AM
2

Yes, but men forget that when it comes to women.
/r/seduction26/06/21 07:40 AM
3

That's Social Circle game. It can work, but it's slow and your options are limited. Also, I hope those female friends are adding something to your life other than stepping stones.
/r/seduction26/06/21 07:09 AM
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There's one little trick about saying offensive things. Watch her body language, if she looks like you just went too far and she's thinking of what to say, talk about it before she can. Show that you're socially aware and nimble, and it mostly erases the problem. Spin it in a fun direction and it's just a fun emotional moment for both of you. Better than boring! I'm no master, but even saying "Oh, the look on your face!" or "There it is. I said it. No going back now" makes a huge difference. Eve…
/r/seduction26/06/21 07:04 AM
1

I tried online a while back, the women I dated were sub-par and my effort spent was too high. How do you make it work for you?
/r/seduction26/06/21 06:56 AM
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Block her and move on. Trust me, I've been there, you can't save them from themselves. If you're scared of her, the better approach is to act wimpy and supplicating to her until she dumps you. Some women are crazy scary.
/r/seduction26/06/21 05:13 AM
2

Sure, online dating is all about numbers and efficiency.
/r/seduction26/06/21 05:11 AM
4

If she compliments you, respond with something positive (pull). If you want to give her a compliment, it should be in response to something positive she does for you. Do not fall into the trap of thinking that only compliments are positive things. If she complies with what you want, that's positive. You can respond by leader her to the next level in the interaction and that's also a positive thing. "You're so sweet" doesn't require a direct response, but if you feel you must directly respond, tr…
/r/seduction26/06/21 05:02 AM
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It's okay advice, but ideally you want to make her feel that she's missing out if she says no (without telling her so explicitly). Also, are you asking her out over texts? I think you'd have better luck asking her out on a voice call.
/r/seduction26/06/21 04:51 AM
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You need to practice being "less filtered" when flirting with women. You want to seem unfiltered but not say those stupid comments. Practice. P.S. With experience you could make those ridiculous lines work.
/r/seduction26/06/21 04:48 AM
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Tough situation. They don't pick up because you didn't build enough attraction or comfort, which you don't have time to build with them. You're just some strange guy she gave her number to and she can't remember why she did that (because the attraction emotion isn't there anymore). That's your problem, I don't know the solution.
/r/seduction26/06/21 04:45 AM
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There are three main ways to meet women. The easiest is women in your social group. You see them now and then, they have time to watch you in the group and make opinions about you. The second way is with help, such as a matchmaker or dating apps. The third way is cold approach. The third way is strongest, but most men just can't handle it. Tinder and other dating apps are the worst way for most men, because women are bombarded by men and just pick the hottest guys out there. What happened to you…
/r/seduction26/06/21 04:40 AM
1

See what you did there? He said "date and fuck" and you dropped the date part. By the way, girls want to fuck too.
/r/seduction26/06/21 02:03 AM
0

Drinking and smoking don't excite girls, but looking like a rebel who doesn't care does. Don't get it confused. Women you meet don't know you, they rely on your signals to tell them who you are. If you're good at faking it, they don't even mind.
/r/seduction26/06/21 12:42 AM
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How to know if you have a good first date? ... the next day I got her message to better be friends. That's how you know you didn't. Since you didn't share details, we can't help you.
/r/seduction26/06/21 12:07 AM
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Rule 2
/r/seduction25/06/21 11:28 PM
1

Maybe you'd like her better if you got to know her a little. The whole get-to-know-you thing isn't just for girls.
/r/seduction25/06/21 11:20 PM
1

You're not hurting him, you're hurting you. He'll just wonder why you're so bad in bed and seem scared.
/r/seduction25/06/21 11:17 PM
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Good answer.
/r/seduction25/06/21 10:13 PM
0

Don't be mad at me, there are tons of liars out there. The common thought from physical abuse victims is "he doesn't love me if he doesn't hit me." No guy can fix that for you, you have to fix it yourself before you're ready to date.
/r/seduction25/06/21 09:55 PM
4

But why would you want her as a friend? I hold friends to higher standards than some girl I just want to fuck.
/r/seduction25/06/21 09:51 PM
2

Leading up to us catching up along till the day he came to see me our communication with each other was perfect! I was receiving text and calls throughout the day and all. Now after we hung out and caught up in person he seems pretty distant now. I know it’s been a few days but still I was wondering did I do anything wrong Maybe, but you left it out of the story and I can't read your mind. I’m trying to learn to date the correct way after my domestic relationship Girl, it's not that easy to reco…
/r/seduction25/06/21 09:49 PM
2

I got her snap and she did some really rude behavior, I was attracted to her but after that I friendzoned her. Why?
/r/seduction25/06/21 09:20 PM
6

Why not go out and talk to people? Just get to know them a little with 5-10 minute conversations. Practice those social skills. P.S. I think the mods don't want me to suggest you get an escort sooner. I'm not sure, they aren't clear sometimes.
/r/seduction25/06/21 07:30 PM
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It works if you're willing to put in the time and effort.
/r/seduction25/06/21 06:16 PM
2

Women want confident successful men. PUAs are the shy smart guys who learn to act confident. Women HATE the idea that a shy guy can pretend to be confident and trick them into sex, because that goes against her instinct. It's all nonsense though, women's sex instincts are 10,000 years out of date and actively bad for them in the modern world. The current plague of single mothers and bitter spinsters is due to women following their decrepit instincts. A shy guy making good money is a far better c…
/r/seduction25/06/21 05:23 PM
2

Confident and dominant are not the same thing.
/r/seduction25/06/21 05:17 PM
1

You're a guy? Why the false-flag user name?
/r/seduction25/06/21 05:30 AM
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Sex is not optional, there's no such thing as a relationship without sex. Have you never known a man before?
/r/seduction25/06/21 04:00 AM
5

These comments are terrible and wrong. You can seduce the bottom men with that crap, but you have to do better to get the men you want. First, get your ass in shape. A shapely body is huge for men. Aim to look healthy and fertile. Second, flirt with him. If you don't show any signs of flirting, most men won't bother with you. Third, be submissive in conversation and body language. Not many men want a dominant woman. Fourth, let him lead you to sex.
/r/seduction25/06/21 01:29 AM
0

Yes. As a guy, I absolutely do drop girls who play hard to get. Two dates with no sex and I'm disinclined to make a third date. Three dates without sex and it's over.
/r/seduction25/06/21 01:25 AM
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It's less about your appearance, and more how you act and hold yourself. Women are very perceptive about mens confidence. No matter how you look, it's not possible to be masculine and feminist at the same time. They're mutually incompatible, intentionally.
/r/seduction24/06/21 05:37 AM
1

Respond in kind. Pull for pulls, push for pushes. Don't push too hard though!
/r/seduction24/06/21 05:35 AM
3

You could call that karma then. With all sincerity and good faith, you're a feminist and all those teaching only serve to ruin relationships. Women don't like meek and timid (the proper feminist "ally"), so they won't want to hug you. Converting your mindset is going to take quite a lot of time and effort, and is a choice only you can make. People who like each other just hug, there's nothing much to it.
/r/seduction24/06/21 05:32 AM
1

Still, looks can only help you so much I think. I struggle with social anxiety, and I think I tend to make things awkward with people. Bingo. Women like your confidence and the way you hold yourself more than your looks. If you want to work on social anxiety, talking to people is the main thing. Therapy can help too.
/r/seduction24/06/21 05:22 AM
5

Of course it feels empty, you're interacting with people over stupid apps. We're human, we need face to face contact.
/r/seduction24/06/21 05:18 AM
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How to hug a girl? Strange question from such a frequent and dismissive commenter.
/r/seduction24/06/21 05:16 AM
4

I either make a joke based off something in the current environment, I ask an opinion about something we're looking at, or I just straight up ask her about a curiosity I have about her. I've also had higher success with approaches like this. Only problem, it's often hard to think of something in time!
/r/seduction23/06/21 08:12 PM
2

All my friends say the drinks are a one way ticket to peace of mind and total fulfillment of the soul You are hilarious. Good post.
/r/seduction23/06/21 07:43 PM
2

99% is a dreadful percentage! I only stop single girls and tend to avoid the more challenging looking ones (like on the phone or jogging). I find that overall more than half are willing to talk, the percentage is much higher if I have a situational opener. I consider myself a daygame beginner.
/r/seduction23/06/21 07:42 PM
3

75% is very high. Could you tell us more about your openers and how you approach?
/r/seduction23/06/21 07:39 PM
1

Try to give her just enough attention that she doesn't drift away, and plan for the next meet. Newly single women are famously horny. If she doesn't put out soon, it's a bad sign.
/r/seduction21/06/21 10:34 PM
1

It's rare unless you're a hot guy. Think about what your best qualities are, and which forms of dating will give you the best exposure for the least effort.
/r/seduction21/06/21 10:29 PM
6

"Ooh, you're so forward. I like it." If she's asking you to leave, make her say it explicitly.
/r/seduction19/06/21 12:25 AM
1

Good luck. Remember, she wants you to succeed.
/r/seduction18/06/21 10:56 PM
1

Your texts aren't going to win her over, in person is best for that. Did you set a time and place for Monday? That's the most important thing. Make that happen, any other texting is completely optional.
/r/seduction18/06/21 10:44 PM
1

She already knows you, maybe she doesn't need all that comfort building. Make sure you're touching her plenty starting when she arrives, and if she's down, you can escalate early and spend the whole day fucking.
/r/seduction18/06/21 10:42 PM
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She wants to fuck you. She expects you to put her in the mood and lead her to the sex, and not to ruin it. You're going to have to be a lot less timid, but watch her body language to see when you're pushing too fast. When that happens, pull back a little and escalate again a little later.
/r/seduction18/06/21 10:33 PM
1

She could just be terrible at conversation. Maybe she'd do better in person, and maybe you'd get something out of it too.
/r/seduction18/06/21 10:24 PM
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Good courage. Next time mention something specific about her you noticed, and try to make it a conversation. You're trying to show her why she might be interested.
/r/seduction18/06/21 10:18 PM
2

It sounds like you've initiated so many conversations that he doesn't need to start any. What's your goal here? Sex, date, relationship? Chatting online forever? The normal play would be to tease and withdraw to get him into chasing you some. He's young though, you might have to tell him that he's supposed to ask you over or something.
/r/seduction18/06/21 10:08 PM
2

I he not that into me? You didn't say anything to indicate he's not into you.
/r/seduction18/06/21 09:59 PM
5

My thought is you'll never get anywhere with that mindset. There are nice girls out there, you should find them.
/r/seduction18/06/21 09:35 PM
3

It's hard to give advice when I don't know much about your relationship with her. Usually by this point it's a lost cause, she's already put you in a category of people she would never have sex with. It takes quite a lot to make people change their opinions. Helping her with no benefit to you will solidify your position in that category, and in the minds of anyone else who hears about it. If she really needs the help, perhaps you could work something out that's of mutual benefit. At least that w…
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:59 PM
1

OLD = online dating
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:57 PM
5

I think so. If she liked you sexually she wouldn't ask things like this. Worse, if you do it for her, she'll lose respect for you.
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:53 PM
1

You're in the range where you're attractive but not hot enough that they come to you. If that's the best thing about you, OLD and night life can work in your favor. Approach, tease, don't supplicate, and that might be enough for you.
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:51 PM
2

Oh no, Roush went religious the other year. Those forums are dead to us. You'll have to search out something else.
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:48 PM
3

she has gone on a vacation and asked me to do her a project for our class She's using you, there's no chance of sex. Drop her.
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:48 PM
2

You both fell into a non-sexual pattern. Next time you see her, tell her she's not allowed to fall in love with you and all that deep romantic pillow talk is right out. Make up a story about her that'll be your in-joke for a while. Tease her about it. Build on the story when you can. Frame your interactions through her story when you can. When she turns to interview mode tease her and say you're not applying for the job. With luck you can turn this around and make something good out of it.
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:47 PM
2

It's tricky to turn those indirect approaches into phone numbers. If that's where you are right now, perhaps set your goal to do 5 cold approaches with indirect openers. It won't get you laid but it's valuable practice.
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:40 PM
2

Roush used to have forums for travel pickup. Maybe someone knows of new forums on the topic.
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:34 PM
2

I don't mind paying for the date. It'll be a walk in the park, my treat.
/r/seduction18/06/21 07:10 PM
1

Is the approach to casual dating completely different than when you are looking for a relationship? No, but it's significantly different. It's even more different than what you've done before, which was let the women lead. You're older now and the expectations on you are higher. You don't have to be the leader in a relationship, but women have a hard time respecting a man who doesn't act "like a man." It's sure to cost you in the sex department.
/r/seduction18/06/21 07:10 PM
2

This advice isn't really about her, it's about your learning.
/r/seduction18/06/21 06:45 PM
7

It's a good start! It sounds like you didn't have sexual tension in any interaction, so figure out how to add that.
/r/seduction18/06/21 06:22 PM
2

You didn't flirt with her. You built comfort but not attraction. Keep it light and fun.
/r/seduction18/06/21 06:20 PM
5

Yeah, they "do it for themselves." I've heard that one before, it's just a ploy so they can do things while avoiding responsibility.
/r/seduction18/06/21 06:10 PM
3

Yes, it's not been a problem.
/r/seduction18/06/21 06:00 PM
2

She has the right to choose her BC, but if my choice is condoms or nothing, I'm out. Anyway, this is too hypothetical. My girl was just unmotivated, not any of this stuff.
/r/seduction18/06/21 07:25 AM
3

a work-life balance can also be accomplished After they're in school, yes. The younger kids, not so much. actually I prefer more of an equal balance and being able to compromise Sure, compromise. All that stuff is more about feelings than facts anyway. If you don't feel like he's manly, it's a problem, right? Women always have their ways of influencing things.
/r/seduction18/06/21 07:22 AM
0

Not wanting BC?? We were talking about flags, that's more of a roadblock. Maybe you meant not wanting hormonal BC, but there are great alternatives that don't take so much away from sex like condoms do. I've never understood why IUDs aren't far more popular in the USA like they are elsewhere. A 15 minute procedure and you're good for 10 years, and completely reversible. All of that is on her to figure out though, and for her to bring up if there's some problem.
/r/seduction18/06/21 06:54 AM
1

I see your point, but the amount of effort that goes into chasing this girl is worth far more. You'd have to really want her.
/r/seduction18/06/21 06:49 AM
1

So you don’t want a smart woman who can also contribute to finances? No, family is the priority. I'll take care of money, that's my role. I mean most career women have a work-family life balance 😂 They aren’t all go go go all the time. I'm surrounded by these families. The way they live is not good. Children are the most important accomplishment most people ever have, you've got to do your best. Having a stranger raise your kids is just wrong. one is married to a 6’4 guy who’s from the military,…
/r/seduction18/06/21 06:45 AM
2

Stop this bullshit. Your main problems are in your head and you know it. This post is just a way for you to feel bad about yourself. I normally tell people to go approach women, but some people need to work on themselves first. You need to disconnect your happiness from women for the moment, and find a way to like yourself. If that's hard for you, therapy can help. Come back when you have some self-confidence and you like yourself. Without those, flirting with women is just asking for rejection.…
/r/seduction18/06/21 06:32 AM
1

Nervous ones are tough, they can completely shut down or run away yet still like you. I don't chase this kind, but if I did, I would play creatively. Try flirting with her first, of course, but observe her carefully. If she clams up or runs away, she clearly has feelings of some sort. In that case, buy her a little teddy bear and write a note. Write it anonymously, say you think she has feelings but can't be sure. Say that if she wants more attention, to put the bear at your desk (or whatever ap…
/r/seduction18/06/21 06:16 AM
0

It's not immature to expect the basics from adults. To be entirely blunt, I don't understand why she was on the dating market without already figuring out birth control. She dragged her feet every step of the way, didn't discuss alternatives when the Doctor told her 6 weeks, and didn't even bother to go to the pharmacy the same day. Believe me, the sex was frustrating, but the blatant disrespect for my needs is what sealed the deal. She doesn't care about dating, she won't care about me when we …
/r/seduction18/06/21 06:01 AM
0

Some people stay with their parents until they finish their post-secondary education so they can save money to buy a house and pay of loans faster? Seems like dating isn't a priority for her. Plus, some programs are very dense and require a lot of time. It’s incredibly hard to focus on both a relationship and retain high marks, ECs etc. As a man, why would I want that kind of woman? I'm not into DINK and I'd like my children to be raised by their own mother. I'm also not into marrying student lo…
/r/seduction18/06/21 05:50 AM
1

Come om now, I didn't say or imply that.
/r/seduction18/06/21 05:39 AM
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it sounds like you didn’t know how to communicate and direct her either Nope, I'm super clear. She just didn't get around to it, and hence she's single. Just like she didn't get around to dating. See the connection? Honestly, I’d dump you too. You'd do it like her, dump me after I dump you?
/r/seduction18/06/21 05:36 AM
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Whilst problems forming connections may be one reason a woman/men has not gotten into a relationship, there are several more including strict parents, focus on education or career She's 30, stop blaming parents. If she focuses on career and completely ignores dating, that's a massive red flag right there. Does she have a good relationship with family members? Long-term friends? You... don't date women, do you?
/r/seduction18/06/21 05:18 AM
0

If she cared, she would have moved with urgency to get shit figured out. You don't seem like you belong here, I bet you're the type who would tell a girl to leave a guy if he didn't care about her needs. My needs matter too, don't be a dick. Edit: If she cared, she would have dated men before. BIG RED FLAG
/r/seduction18/06/21 05:13 AM
2

I don't see them that way, but I fully acknowledge the truth about what works. We don't make the rules, we can only play the game.
/r/seduction18/06/21 05:05 AM
1

Sure, if she's nervous enough.
/r/seduction18/06/21 04:51 AM
1

I didn't know how to treat her Your story makes her statement seem very likely. Most likely you're not acting like the man in the relationship. Even with all those words you didn't tell us anything about how you treat her except for something about putting her on mute. If you start kissing her ass she'll like you less, because it's not manly. If you don't know how to act manly, ask here for advice on that. There are books to read.
/r/seduction18/06/21 04:33 AM
1

If she’s not into it you will know. Oh? This girl is entirely likely to clam up or go defensive.
/r/seduction18/06/21 04:28 AM
1

I have had three people now tell me I should talk to her and I actually had one tell me she was flirting with me when I briefly talked to her because I guess she was smiling the whole time Often other people see it better than you can. It's true, some people get nervous around the person they like.
/r/seduction18/06/21 04:28 AM
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Flags, yes. I slept with a virgin a few months back. Such a pain in the ass. She had no idea what to expect, what her role was, what my role was, how to get on birth control. Nothing. I actually dumped her over dragging her feet on birth control. Like after 3 weeks of dating she finally sees the Doctor and didn't go to the pharmacy yet and after that it'll be another 6 weeks until the pill is entirely effective. No alternatives were discussed. No thank you, I don't like condoms that much. After …
/r/seduction18/06/21 04:21 AM
4

Social dating is okay, sure a hell of a lot better than OLD. Only works if you have men to pick from though.
/r/seduction18/06/21 04:19 AM
3

in that case i anticipate it and bam free drink Open wide! Sounds like that stuff only works on Yes Girls, so it's not really game at all. Even so, a quick filter can be good for your sex life.
/r/seduction18/06/21 04:17 AM
2

Girls on OLD have interest from hundreds of guys. You'd best be quick before she gets distracted.
/r/seduction18/06/21 04:15 AM
2

My style? I try to be equally awkward in all situations. You don't have to be interesting to be smooth with women, and we all know why. You just have to conquer your fear, have great confidence, and not care about her.
/r/seduction18/06/21 03:48 AM
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I know. This guy's funny and doesn't mind how he looks to others.
/r/seduction17/06/21 11:36 PM
5

Good for you. If you're not willing to get over your fear, I suggest you stick by him like glue. Again, it's really strange that you think I'm flirting with you. It was interesting to see your perspective, but again, very unhealthy.
/r/seduction17/06/21 11:29 PM
1

Yet the only thing I look at is these dating subs. See how you're holding yourself back with this BS? Also, thanks for trying to reject me before I can reject you, but I'm not flirting with you.
/r/seduction17/06/21 11:13 PM
0

That's why you're going to have lousy outcomes in life. Fear. No different than all these men with Approach Anxiety. Your fears are unrealistic and unhealthy. Get healthy.
/r/seduction17/06/21 11:05 PM
5

I checked your profile and it's obvious you're on the fearful end of the spectrum. I promise you that OLD is the worst way to meet men (or women), and you're far more likely to be taken advantage of there. I picked up a fearful girl like you a couple weeks ago at a park. Very attractive, fit, easy to talk to, matching life goals, but she couldn't get over a trust issue and I dumped her for it. She'll never have a shot with a guy like me. If you try to make men pay for what some other man did, yo…
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:55 PM
5

Never make or hold eye contact with male strangers. How do you get dates if you act that way?
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:56 PM
4

Like if she freaks out, starts yelling, horrible insults, whatever.
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:53 PM
1

If you manage to get the fabled atomic rejection, post a video of it. I've never seen it.
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:47 PM
5

No tips yet, you just need to try it more times. Be aware of yourself and of her, but try not to worry about it. Get 10 more approaches and tell us what's going on. You'll learn a lot.
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:39 PM
10

“would you mind if I asked your friend a question?” Which she said yes. LOL " was wondering if you would be up for getting to know each other better?" ... The answer she muttered ,with a smile, was “Maybe”. You're asking her to decide when she doesn't know a thing about you. To which I said , “so yes” That's pushing her way too fast here. You need to talk for a while, let her know you at least a little.
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:28 PM
2

Young men don't get respect from women, but all you can do is try. Flirt with her and see how she responds.
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:13 PM
24

Women don't like it when men talk to them That's feminist propaganda. Their strategy is to make people fight by making them miserable. The truth is, women can only pick from the men who approach them. They wear makeup, dress well, and go out hoping to be found by a good man. They don't want to be approached by men who they see as beneath them, but they absolutely do want to be approached by the right men. The trick is to be that man.
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:12 PM
11

6' tall, 6 figure income, 6 pack abs. That's why I laugh when people here say to just work on yourself to get women. It helps, but you have to seek out women too.
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:10 PM
16

Bingo, a questioning / uncertain tone will do it.
/r/seduction17/06/21 07:37 PM
1

That person is a feminist who says we're all rapists. Don't try to understand his mind.
/r/seduction17/06/21 07:35 PM
93

Were you blowing up your friends phones? Asking them to hang constantly? Thinking about them 24/7? Probably not. You probably let it unfold naturally. Best tip
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:51 PM
30

That's a direct line and direct lines will get rejections if you don't look and act the part. Your tone of voice and body language are important. Shore up your nonverbals and maybe go a little less direct in the meantime.
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:24 PM
3

Your situation is common, the solutions are known. You need to pick up a physical activity to get in shape, and start socializing. The socializing can start small, in fact you should start small because you're going to lack social intuition for a while. Start by going out and making many small interactions with people. Also get your career going, that's going to help later.
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:22 PM
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I've had it happen, yes. One in particular treated me like homeless trash even though I'm a 666 guy. In my case I fucked up the approach, but some will do it even if you do nothing wrong. Some women have problems.
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:17 PM
2

Love is one of the biggest goals in most people's lives. This is a direct blocker for love in your life.
/r/seduction17/06/21 05:36 PM
1

Normally biology takes care of this with the LOVE emotion. If that fails for you, then you'll have to remember your goals and play smart.
/r/seduction17/06/21 05:13 PM
3

It's a common cause for what you describe. You're going to have to dig deep and figure this stuff out. Therapy might help.
/r/seduction17/06/21 05:12 PM
3

Do you feel like you don't deserve her?
/r/seduction17/06/21 05:07 PM
2

You're a guy, right? Have a talk with your parents. Set up a system where if you send them a text they can make themselves scarce while you bring her to your room. I know, you're young and you have all these strange objections to such a simple plan. Just do it.
/r/seduction17/06/21 04:35 PM
1

What exactly do you mean by her ignoring you? If she's turned away and not looking, that's too much. If she's looking at you but not responding at first, I'm not sure that's even unusual. You have to carry it until you can hook her.
/r/seduction17/06/21 04:32 PM
1

Hmmkey was right, you're self-sabotaging because you lack self-esteem. You would benefit from therapy, but to start with, why don't you list everything bad about yourself. Why you don't deserve a woman. Don't hold back. Then go through the list and ask yourself if it's really true. If it is true, how can you fix it? If it's not true, find some exercises to convince your mammal brain that it isn't true. That takes time and effort but the payoff is obvious.
/r/seduction17/06/21 04:26 PM
3

I’ll give you $20 to date this guy What a way to blow you out. She told me she was undoubtedly staring at me. I glanced over and she wasn’t looking this direction. She was with friends and I didn’t see a decent opportunity to get over there. She's interested but too shy to give you a proper invitation. Next time, push yourself. Try it.
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:15 AM
1

OLD is awful for men and women. The women have hundreds of men trying to chat them up, and mostly choose the hottest guys. Those are the guys every woman wants, and they take advantage. Why would they pick you? As for the experience most men get, you're living it.
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:08 AM
1

If a woman looks at a man once, then looks away then looks again, and again is it fair to say she is somewhat interested in you in some regard? Yes.
/r/seduction17/06/21 03:09 AM
1

This is great for desensitization, but when it comes time to really ask women out I suggest you go less indirect.
/r/seduction17/06/21 03:07 AM
1

Dial down the texting, way down. In person is good, you'll figure things out. LDR is shit, and FYI military wives are cheating shit. Just ask the older guys about it.
/r/seduction17/06/21 03:05 AM
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who are strong, independent, and progressive You're making a huge mistake, that's a recipe for a miserable relationship. You're young, you haven't heard anything but the political bullshit they teach in school. Most people figure it out by age 30, when they realize all that new-age shit doesn't work. Politics changes all the time, but people haven't changed. The old way is proven to work, there's value in that. Go hang around the Women's Studies area, or the political activists. Get yourself int…
/r/seduction17/06/21 02:56 AM
1

Why should I give this person what he wants by telling him how I feel? Because you want something out of the deal too. What do I get out of that other than feeling defeated? Right now you guys are stuck playing games and not getting anywhere. You don't know how he feels, he doesn't know how you feel. You're both going to be stuck there unless you take a risk. Love is risk. I'm not saying to lay it bare, but give him indicators and signals that he can understand. It's hard to imagine a guy who pl…
/r/seduction16/06/21 08:14 PM
4

I get it. Your end goal is to be real with someone, right? Tell him what you said here, and not in a fighting way. He might be a decent guy who just made some wrong moves.
/r/seduction16/06/21 07:51 PM
2

You're so negative! So what that he's playing a game with you. You're playing a game too, and I'm sure it's not the first game you've played. You don't want to "break," which means be genuine and show emotions? And then you're sure he'll leave you? You'll never have a good life thinking like you are. Be mentally healthy, girl.
/r/seduction16/06/21 07:34 PM
15

Oh my gosh, how could you be anything less than perfect after 8 years of doing nothing? Get out there and try again, that's how you get better.
/r/seduction16/06/21 07:02 PM
5

He's doing it because it works. Not just for him, it makes things interesting for you too. Do you really want a guy who you're 100% sure you can get? Be honest with yourself. You'll devalue him and stop putting in effort, things will fall apart. This is assuming you're a woman. He's being too obvious about it and it annoys you. Dating is hard enough, why not just tell him? If you get mad at him and ruin things, he'll just find another women who enjoys it more.
/r/seduction16/06/21 07:00 PM
2

There's no debate here, she needs to know what's up. If you "hide your dick" (your intentions) too well, she'll think you a coward.
/r/seduction16/06/21 06:04 PM
1

These problems are common. Just go out with him less often, but keep in touch because he might want to step up his game later.
/r/seduction16/06/21 06:03 PM
2

A date means a time and place. If you didn't make a date, you can't complain that her calendar filled up. Who knows what happened with her, you'll have to feel that out later. Learn this lesson and don't fuck it up again.
/r/seduction16/06/21 06:22 AM
2

How can a socially awkward guy ask out his best friend crush without seeming like a loser? There are two answers to this. The harsh answer first. Socially awkward is a synonym for loser. The good news, it's not a lifelong condition. You can go practice your social skills and improve. The second answer, she already likes you. Maybe she has bad taste, who cares? Maybe you can pull it off. If you don't shoot your shot, I guarantee the window will close. Either take the self-improvemnt or the "just …
/r/seduction16/06/21 06:19 AM
1

Dear OP, your answer is to find more women. Some of them won't be rejects, in a bad mood, damaged goods, etc. But some of them will be, and you're going to be okay with that, because you'll get some good ones.
/r/seduction16/06/21 06:14 AM
2

My thoughts exactly, but in the end you'll never know.
/r/seduction16/06/21 06:12 AM
2

Really, I've gone to grocery stores at least a dozen times with no intent but to find women. I'm not demanding 8+, but I have no interest in anyone below a 6 (5 if it's really easy). Still I've found so few to talk to. I am in the stick-in-the-ass get-it-delivered capitol of the USA but even so, there has to be more to it.
/r/seduction16/06/21 05:52 AM
1

Tell me more about that. Are there parts of the store you didn't approach in? Was it awkward? What times of day did you find attractive women in the stores?
/r/seduction16/06/21 04:45 AM
1

LOL, I'd rather have skin than scar tissue. The rest, you might be right. It's not as if we have a choice in the matter, and I don't need this to feel superior to other men. I want to know my game, be confident in myself, and enjoy life. You only get there after being confident for a while. The crutches fall away as you find you don't need them anymore.
/r/seduction16/06/21 04:31 AM
1

Are you referring to athletic feats that most people would avoid? Yes. isn’t fear necessary for confidence to prevail? No. Confidence can come from always getting positive feedback. We know this because there are guys like that, who don't recall ever being afraid of social interaction.
/r/seduction16/06/21 02:56 AM
0

Yes, for sure you need to know your local rules. There's no two ways about that.
/r/seduction16/06/21 01:32 AM
2

In the USA it varies by state.
/r/seduction16/06/21 01:28 AM
3

There are some famous guys who love cold approach in Eastern Europe. Try Krauser or Torero for example.
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:46 PM
0

I don't see it that way. Could you explain why you think that's a bad time to talk?
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:45 PM
6

It's a struggle right now, no doubt. Keep trying different places. They can be very weather dependent, and dependent on the day of the week and time of day. Different stores attract different types of women too. I've found some okay spots in my city, nothing great. I go out for two hours and HOPE to chat up 5 cute women in that time.
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:43 PM
1

If you're that inexperienced, and you lack other options, then ride it out for experience sake. The in-person time is your time to shine, you can't make up for it with great texts. Maybe she'll come back around, maybe not. Just don't look like you're chasing her when she's cold.
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:26 PM
1

I'm sure you didn't do everything right. Don't look at it as one thing you did wrong, but as a whole lot of things you can improve.
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:20 PM
1

Most first dates are failures, you know.
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:19 PM
1

There are only a few common ways to meet women. Social circle, night clubs, OLD, and cold approach during the day. Sounds like you're going to parties (which is between social circle and clubs). OLD is the worst option unless you're hot, so try cold approach. If you can't do that, suffer the indignities of OLD I guess.
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:18 PM
2

The only close worth a damn is sex, everything else is a time bridge.
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:14 PM
1

It's common. She was into you, but a better option (maybe her ex) came back into her life. She'll keep you in orbit in case the other thing falls through.
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:13 PM
1

Girls change their feelings easily. If she's not showing interest, you shouldn't either. If things drop entirely, maybe find an excuse to talk to her in a month or two.
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:10 PM
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First off, you should know the age of consent in your locale. 16 is legal in most places that aren't fucking backward. Second, don't be embarrassed. There's literally no reason to be embarrassed. 16 year old women are physically adult, and it's hard to tell them apart from 18 year olds. They won't be mentally adult until 25, 18 isn't some magic number. And, if it's legal and you're down with it, you can even date them.
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:04 PM
2

At first, it's better that you do most or all the talking while you try to bait her into conversation.
/r/seduction15/06/21 06:43 PM
1

It's your choice, but where there are feelings sex is possible.
/r/seduction15/06/21 06:42 PM
1

Yes, a lack of doubt, fear, uncertainty, and hesitation. For example, I'm athletic. When I'm doing my thing, I just know what to do. Things that 99.999% of people will never seriously consider doing are easy for me. When I started doing those things, they were stomach-wrenching cold-sweat hard-no kinds of things. Further, I can say that when I fuck up, I know I can recover.
/r/seduction15/06/21 06:04 PM
2

That's good! Those two liked you and are open to approaches. No guarantees but it's an invitation to try.
/r/seduction15/06/21 06:00 PM
4

You left out eye contact.
/r/seduction15/06/21 05:58 PM
1

Tasha only likes to talk about herself Okay, she's human. That's good. Btw my female friend told me not to give up on her because according to her, being diligent and showing effort can win a girl Women give the worst advice. They're clueless. Tasha posted a reposted story of her and her male friend (who I know is gay). Now I'm really confused. It seems like a passive aggressive response to me. Speaking of clueless women, they often think this is a way to flirt. It doesn't work on men, but you k…
/r/seduction15/06/21 05:56 PM
3

Eye contact is good. Did any of them smile at you?
/r/seduction15/06/21 05:01 PM
1

Confidence feels like... you're not second-guessing yourself, you don't have nerves. You know what to do and you do it.
/r/seduction15/06/21 04:56 PM
2

No, that's bravery.
/r/seduction15/06/21 04:55 PM
4

It's not mean, it's explaining the situation. Change how they see you, and they'll want sex with you.
/r/seduction15/06/21 04:54 PM
1

It takes practice, no doubt. Most things you could ask as a question can be rephrased as a statement. The trick is that she's more than welcome to disagree! You're trying to bait her into the conversation. I don't suggest you pretend to care about fashion, she'll figure you out if you pretend.
/r/seduction11/06/21 07:41 PM
2

The basic idea is to do almost all the talking at first. Try to find something she engages with. Don't ask any questions. When you hit on a topic she wants to talk about, she'll be interested. When she asks you a question, that's called the hook, where you enter into a whole other phase of the interaction. At that point she starts doing most of the work. Classic examples: * "You don't look like you're from around here." * "You look like an artist."
/r/seduction11/06/21 07:30 PM
6

I think that strong of an opener is tough unless you're hyper confident. You did it, but that doesn't mean that you owned it. Most of us have better luck with a longer conversation before going for a close.
/r/seduction11/06/21 06:36 PM
1

That was a joke, and also a compliment.
/r/seduction11/06/21 06:34 PM
2

Yes, it can work. Even with your obstacles you've had more success than most young men. You'll need to be more than "a bit" confident for cold approach to give good results. How do you get there? Social practice.
/r/seduction11/06/21 06:29 PM
2

I've never heard anyone say it was a scam.
/r/seduction11/06/21 06:25 PM
1

If you can find a way, acting like she's not on your mind at all can be the most cruel. She doesn't matter, doesn't merit any emotional reaction, or any thought. Everything she says is boring. She may get attracted to you because everyone else is hot for her. Hard to do any of that from a distance though.
/r/seduction11/06/21 05:30 AM
2

Yeah man, I get it. Shit hurts. Sometimes the smart play is to act like you don't care when she ghosts you. Act like you have options.
/r/seduction11/06/21 04:26 AM
2

Understand the situation. She's attracted to you but you're not her first priority. If you take that personally, it won't work. If you realize she'll be the girl who comes around from time to time when she's got nothing better, it's easy sex. Just have to handle her right. Especially don't seem too eager.
/r/seduction11/06/21 04:07 AM
2

Okay, if you want zero contact then I think you've accomplished it.
/r/seduction11/06/21 04:01 AM
1

No wonder they're so fucked up. No sex ed. The men should be into them.
/r/seduction11/06/21 03:59 AM
4

I daygame, and I wear whatever I want. I mostly get good reactions.
/r/seduction11/06/21 03:59 AM
2

I don't know what your goal is, you don't seem to have a plan.
/r/seduction11/06/21 03:57 AM
6

Solid advice. I would add that you should take full advantage of her to do whatever sex acts you feel like. She's done it all before, so don't be afraid to push. You may be half her age, but if you can play the part of the decisive confident man in the bedroom, she'll like it.
/r/seduction11/06/21 03:56 AM
1

I’m never too sure what the best places are for this. I have the same problem. I'm trying lots of places, looking for a place with enough of the appropriate kind of woman. how many guys actually enjoy clubs or who are only there with that one goal in mind In clubs, they're all in it for the women. In bars, only most of them are there for the women. And they mostly don't do a thing.
/r/seduction11/06/21 03:05 AM
2

Trust me, you'll overcome this far more easily than you overcame all of that. You just have to do it.
/r/seduction11/06/21 12:25 AM
2

Girl wants to be alone and sweaty with you, that's a big hint. I think you should do a lot of touching as you show her things, but keep it reasonable and avoid sensitive areas unless there's good cause. Don't give her an excuse to run away. Instead, make the vibe flirty, playful, fun. Tease her playfully when she makes a mistake or can't do something well. "oh my god, you are such a girl." When you've done enough training, make a clear break so she knows you're switching to seduction. You don't …
/r/seduction10/06/21 09:28 PM
2

Ditch the bitch. If you drive all the way up there for a hookup with a girl who's giving you the runaround, she'll probably be turned off anyway. Seems so desperate. Hold firm, even if that means no sex. There other choice is just an illusion that'll wreck your self-esteem.
/r/seduction10/06/21 09:22 PM
2

they know why you’re talking to them and just beating around the bush. Women like the games. If you make it obvious that you're attracted but don't state it, that's great. If you don't show her the attraction, she'll friendzone you.
/r/seduction10/06/21 09:20 PM
2

It's a problem, but there's a bigger question. What aspect of you is likely to attract women? If you're a looker or a dancer, pubs and clubs might be your place. If you're a witty talker, a quieter venue makes sense. If neither, social circle can work.
/r/seduction10/06/21 09:18 PM
3

You needn't go out of your way to find rejection. Why not get rejected trying for what you really want?
/r/seduction10/06/21 09:14 PM
1

Move on.
/r/seduction10/06/21 09:12 PM
3

Might work if you're the cutest guy in town. Otherwise, try another way.
/r/seduction10/06/21 09:11 PM
3

Instinctual fear. Overcome it.
/r/seduction10/06/21 09:10 PM
1

That's a healthy objective. Don't beat yourself up, it takes guys a while to get into it.
/r/seduction10/06/21 08:48 PM
2

Good, but you'll need an alternate plan. Social circle, cold approach, even match making. Something.
/r/seduction10/06/21 08:46 PM
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The idea is to make her choose to accept or reject you. Don't make that choice for her. Mentioning the BF is not rejecting you, she has to clearly reject you.
/r/seduction10/06/21 08:45 PM
2

It gets easier as you do it more times.
/r/seduction10/06/21 08:19 PM
4

she let me know she had a bf of 6 years who she had recently just moved into the area with Did you eject, or did she reject you?
/r/seduction10/06/21 08:19 PM
1

I have the same problem. You have to approach, but you can turn her age into a fun part of the approach. Some girls will lie, it's okay to pull her ID if you're in doubt. P.S. masks make this so much harder
/r/seduction10/06/21 08:17 PM
2

I’ve gone out with a handful of women recently off the dating apps and they have turned out to be pretty average Typical. The women on dating apps are flooded by hot guys. They're very good at manipulating her feelings. It's hard for you to compete with all that. If she's on a dating app, you shouldn't date her.
/r/seduction10/06/21 08:16 PM
3

Good for you. I advise you to be stingy with compliments with attractive women, only give them out when she does or says something nice to you. Confidence, tone, body language are the most important things. Write a field report on it and get feedback.
/r/seduction10/06/21 08:09 PM
1

You can find statistics on IQ. Men have a slightly higher average IQ, and the male IQ distribution (the bell curve) is much flatter than women's. Almost all the really stupid people are male, and almost all the really smart people are male. Women are the "play it safe" sex, they own the 100 IQ range. The bigger problem is that women don't choose to develop their intellect. However, there are some smart women out there. You just have to look harder. EQ is another thing entirely, women dominate th…
/r/seduction09/06/21 05:45 PM
2

so i’m not viewed as a creep That whole creep thing is political bullshit. In reality it's very simple. If you're horribly awkward you're a creep. If you're cute or fun then you're not. women in America don’t prefer beards Bullshit. Women like all sorts of things, and beards are very manly. and literally i don’t know when if i girl is giving me the green light to go to her If you wait for a green light to approach, you might wait a long time. Your courage will speak in your favor, go talk to chi…
/r/seduction09/06/21 07:39 AM
2

She likes you, or did like you. She's awkward. When you're doing the human mating dance, she's going to miss many steps. If you want to make the effort, you can pursue her. You're going to have to lead her through all the steps, and handle her when she makes the wrong move or goes shy. Also, work relationships are dangerous.
/r/seduction09/06/21 07:36 AM
1

It means she's not into you. Whatever else it means, you'd have to dig that out of her head.
/r/seduction09/06/21 07:28 AM
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You might be smart. You'll find that most women are not. Even the ones born with the gift often neglect it. The smart and deep girls are out there, but even they are guided by emotion. If you find one that's not, it's like dating a guy with a girl body. You can't win. Find a girl who likes deep conversations sometimes, but she's still a girl and you have to treat her as such.
/r/seduction09/06/21 07:26 AM
1

Either you didn't lead her properly or something better came along. 10s are hard to nail, keep improving and keep trying.
/r/seduction09/06/21 07:23 AM
1

The answer is yes, you should. Sex feels great, and she can show you the ropes so you're ready when someone you like comes along. Extra bonus #1: she'll do whatever you want because she knows you're hotter. Extra bonus #2: you'll get experience acting like the more valuable partner, which is what you have to be in life as a man.
/r/seduction09/06/21 07:22 AM
1

Your post has not one word of you giving him signals that you're interested. Or that you do anything really. He's probably mad that he gave you so much attention and you won't flirt with him. The human mating ritual is a dance. You have steps to perform. Stop demanding he do the whole dance without your participation.
/r/seduction09/06/21 07:15 AM
7

Good point. Girl knows you for 5 seconds, and you put stock in her opinion? Please.
/r/seduction08/06/21 05:36 AM
1

we don’t have names They felt very awkward about your approach. You'll need to work on it.
/r/seduction05/06/21 12:56 AM
1

I am trying to have a hot girl summer You have feelings for a girl who told you she wants to get run through by dozens of guys? And you're hoping to stay in a LDR with her? Move on buddy. Have some self respect.
/r/seduction05/06/21 12:51 AM
1

The mods here are known to ban people who say bad things about RSD.
/r/seduction05/06/21 12:47 AM
2

Awkward but you can make the best of it. The girls are competing with each other for your attention, use that to your advantage. Ask them both out, don't seem needy, don't seem like you've decided on them entirely. Let them win you over.
/r/seduction04/06/21 09:19 PM
1

Women live ambiguously. You don't know how she feels, she doesn't know, nobody knows until you make her decide. You must force her to decide, and many of those decisions won't be in your favor. The alternative is the friendzone.
/r/seduction04/06/21 09:09 PM
3

So... what's the problem? They're out of your life and not wasting your time and effort.
/r/seduction04/06/21 09:07 PM
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The best approach is to have her over for sex, but after sex start treating her like she's your girl. Talk about the future, arrange a date, that sort of thing. If you just ask her on a date after the two month drought, it's going to set the wrong tone entirely.
/r/seduction04/06/21 05:12 AM
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it was a wierd revenge thing Nonsense rationalization to explain her behavior that she herself does not understand. You will gain confidence by making progress. Even baby steps are progress, do what you can.
/r/seduction04/06/21 05:07 AM
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Congratulations! This external validation will do wonders for your self-esteem. Both of those women were asking you to approach. Next time, go forth and make some mistakes :-)
/r/seduction03/06/21 06:36 PM
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Yes, do this, but don't be so negative about it. Wow, that looked awkward OMG, you must have impossible standards. That guy was running perfect game! Or just give her a certain look. It's fun, play with it, but you don't need to heap scorn on the guy who took his shot and failed.
/r/seduction03/06/21 06:23 PM
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Bull. I do a ton of fun activities. I'm super active. The common thread? Few cute women. I go out to meet women because shit needs to get done somehow.
/r/seduction03/06/21 06:02 PM
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