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CMVdraiki13/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 11:12 PM
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Yup. I got into a first relationship at the age of 27. It’s been hard for me to adjust after being alone for so long and not having to adapt.
/r/AllPillDebate10/04/23 08:07 PM
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In the same breath women will complain how objectified they feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:19 PM
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Exactly. I’ve no problem talking about my or other men’s issues. However, I can see people infer it as an insecurity. Especially women since it’s a projection of how they themselves function. For example, I hit my toe today just where it hurts the most. I grunted for a while and my family already started telling me how sensitive I am. There’s not a single thing I could say to communicate how much pain I was actually in. Because anything other than “shut up and suffer” would make them think I’m i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:16 AM
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It might not be a real person with human thoughts but in the end does it matter? If it can mimics a person well enough it can be anyone. You could just teach a model similar to chatGPT to interact like a person you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 06:24 PM
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There’s two things that come to my mind. First one is the amount of energy the average man has to invest today to find someone. You can’t be just doing your own thing and hope a woman will fall into your lap. There’s more hobbies than just yachting and partying around or starting crypto businesses. Most of them won’t passively attract women so you have to actually go out and find one. Second one is that it’s very easy for someone who’s been in a relationship to be telling someone who’s not been …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 02:07 AM
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It kind of proves your point because mostly what I see is women (or some men) making it out to be white or black. As if SAHM or 402 is the only type men know. That’s why we are where we are. Can’t say that you want a wife who does laundry because then you’re automatically misogynistic. When reality (for me personally) would be she does laundry and I cook for example. But because we aren’t allowed to communicate this and because some men are morons there’s a growing number of women like the one i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 10:46 AM
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They won’t agree because that would mean that they’re not in control of their emotions. However, men might not control their emotions but it certainly affects us. If she’s not in a good mood, you better be very careful. I can also say that I did not realize the extent to which it affects us until I got into a romantic relationship. Despite having mostly female friends my entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 01:40 PM
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I’m glad we agree on both.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 10:57 AM
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He did say “most” not “all” women. I agree with you that what OP said applies mainly to romantic relationships. Women may not realize it but once you’re in a romantic relationship the man is responsible for her emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 10:53 AM
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From the other perspective. I find it absolutely disgusting that men are just resources for the female gaze and exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 10:40 AM
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Since your comment is in good faith and actually well written I’ll add another common theme I’ve noticed. This one is also more personality specific and limited to household. If the man took on half the workload, the women would just raise the bar. Like a competition. “You vacuumed the floor? Well I scrubbed the floor with a toothbrush.” Though men probably do similar stuff in other areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 10:35 AM
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Another aspect that everyone fails to notice is the practical aspect of living as a couple. Modern women complain how much housework they do for men. Reality is that if they were alone, they would still have to do most of that housework… without the benefit of another pay check. What also seems to be happening is brainwashing. Yes, there are cases where the man does not contribute equally. But this has been turned into such a circlejerk that women believe this as the absolute truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 10:27 PM
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A very common theme I’ve noticed is women taking on responsibility that no one ever asked them to and then complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 10:02 PM
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I fully agree. Sometimes it even feels like it’s better to be an asshole than a genuinely good man. Simply because when you do slip up, as we all do sometimes, women will go “aha! I knew it. He’s just as bad as the rest of them.” Also on the privilege part. Women aren’t aware how liberating it is to always have a safety net to fall back on, if you ever fail. They can, almost on demand, find a mediocre man willing to take care of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 01:02 PM
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In the context of relationships I think men are just more straight forward. If I want or need something, I’ll just say it. While with women half of the value is lost, if they have to say that they want something. That is if they know at all what they want. In the end it all comes down to attention, food, sex and face/status.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:56 PM
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Figuratively speaking… who knows what went on in their heads but some people just don’t get the hint.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 03:16 PM
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This sounds so sad. If I could, I would slap all of those men for you just to wake them up to reality. My story is kind of similar except different role. My entire life I wanted one of my many crushes to go “f*** it, I’ll let him impress me”. Not a single one of them went even the slightest bit out of their way to give me an actual chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:31 AM
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Zoomers are a weird generation and I say this as one of the youngest millenials. Weird in terms of social norms. I think approaching IRL has something to do with the rise of social media platforms. Women are bombarded with male attention and reject men sooner. Which turned dating for men into a pure numbers game. So if approaching IRL was normal that would mean women being approached IRL several times daily.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:07 AM
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I’d say that majority of women want almost full control without being dominant.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:49 AM
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However dumb you think it is it’s still something compared to what women creators make. Sitting in half naked in front of a camera is just selling your body for money. There are some but very few exceptions among women that create amazing content.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:24 AM
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Because the 25-34 women can just find an older man that can make it possible for them to move out. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:20 AM
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If we start playing this game… men could start wearing platform shoes, clothes that make them buff, wigs and maybe someone can come up with other ideas. It would just have to become socially acceptable. The problem is that it’s all just a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:29 PM
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In simple terms. Men do a lot of stuff for women. You can see this by just looking at spending. Men are very happy with very little. Even many billionaires live frugal lives. On the other hand, you have most women spending as much as they can for things they don’t need.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:11 PM
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It’s fully on her what man she wants to accept into her life. I’m sure she could easily find a man desperate enough to make her the center of his universe. The question is whether she would be with such a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:01 PM
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Hooking up with a doctor or a psychiatrist tells us absolutely nothing other than it corroborates a mainstream consensus among men that women overvalue themselves based on the men that would sleep with them. OP should have given a description of the 5 lowest rated men that she’s slept with. I do wonder if there’s any heavily overweight short blue collar workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 10:10 PM
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Yes, you’re right. There’s people who can’t just lose weight. Either way, both discipline or genetics signal something is wrong with that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 10:03 PM
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The problem is that they can’t take the truth themselves. There’s enough double standards as it is. If they start telling the truth, then they also have to allow us to tell them the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:07 PM
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But a lot of women judge recklessly. It’s also a positive feedback loop. Of course the guy getting a hookup everyday is going to be more confident than the guy who got rejected a 100 times. Drawing confidence from your self-assuredness is one of the most difficult things to achieve. But it’s a fine line between being cocky.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 06:13 PM
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Yup, I think everyone is too much focused on the destination while forgetting about enjoying the journey. On all fronts. You often see mentality “you should try to get the best you can”. But what’s the toll? Sure you might have a super model or a millionaire… but then what? Are you happy now? Was the journey enjoying?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:04 PM
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Yes exactly. Context matters. A lot. 90% of about hundred amazing women I got to know personally through work or hobbies were in a stable relationship. I also only brought it up because the question was asked about past relationships. I can not think of a single way to answer this question without raising a red flag, if you’ve had no relationship experience as a man in his 20s. I haven’t found the right one yet? Picky. I haven’t done much dating yet? Is he living under a rock. I have other prior…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:43 AM
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So an asshole is a “better man”?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:11 AM
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You clearly didn’t understand a single word I’ve said. Where did I say that I don’t value my female friends? Stop putting words in my mouth. It’s also completely ignorant because things just happen to you. Things don’t just happen to men. I can’t just enjoy my life and hope a woman will someday ask me out. Frankly, what you said is just a fantasy because neither so women “just enjoy” their life because I’ve heard way too many stories about them making several trips walking past someone hoping th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 07:34 PM
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Sometimes it feels like a lot of the problems women deal with are created by women themselves. Just looking for someone else to blame. Like being attracted to the same assholes who use them then they make a group to identify those assholes but really it mostly ends up being gossip.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 06:58 PM
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Why? I can tell you that I’ve genuinely been chronically unlucky. I didn’t do cold approaches or been a huge party goer. I’ve tried meeting new people through several extracurricular activities. All it got me is way too many female acquaintances who are in a relationship. There were a few (5-7) who I did feel they could be attracted to me but I wasn’t attracted to them. They were either too young (<18) or overweight (I’m slim). I got rejected by the 4 where there was any potential at all. If I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 06:47 PM
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You hit the bullseye.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 06:30 PM
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“The wall” is a realization that simply existing isn’t enough anymore. One reason is female youth, the second one is male maturity. A woman in her 20s can go on a dating app and get herself into a decent relationship of her own pick without lifting a finger. If you want, you’ll find simps who will worship you as a goddess. In your 30s relationships become much more practical rather than just pure romance. Even most simps mature out of it. For women this means they actually have to start putting …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 11:27 PM
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Men are also much more straight forward and use raw power to compete. I’ve preferred female company my entire life. Despite that I’m still not even close to understanding every nuanced little communication they have through several different channels.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 03:06 AM
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Well I don't have any experience in that department. Mainly because I either surrounded by women or men who respect women. One thing I would disagree with is that women are more objectified than ever. I say that since women in the past couldn't even vote or have other freedoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:31 PM
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Except he literally said the biggest casualties of the obesity epidemic are dudes who can't fuck as many thin women as they want. But good job trying to deflect from OPs egregious remarks. I'll repeat myself again. Nowhere does he mention "fuck" which is a massive difference to "date". And again "biggest casualty" in respect to dating because this is a dating/relationship sub. And a fit man can find a willing and fit woman within an hour of being on a dating app. In fact, it's actually easier si…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:21 PM
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So in a health epidemic that is literally killing people, the true victims are men who aren't able to fuck as many thin women as they'd like. If you wish to discuss health, go to some health sub. This is a relationship dynamics sub so naturally he will approach this from a relationship aspect. Also, nowhere did he mention "fucking". He said "date". Also, since obesity is more prevalent among men than women, by your logic fit women who want to fuck men who are neither overweight or obese are the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:35 PM
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In what way do you mean porn affects us?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:26 PM
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First of all. Men 99.99% aren’t accepting… They’re the one’s asking. Secondly, your statement only really works for women. As a man you’re kind of forced to approach first and you already reveal your hand with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:43 PM
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Each gender SHOULD choose better. That’s not to say there can’t be differences. Every average man who has tried OLD can tell you that he had to go through tens of women before he found one willing to be in a relationship. Now imagine you meet 30 women. Then 31st comes around who has some red flags but wants a relationship. You have the option of taking the deal or repeating the entire process. Then reverse the role. From the other perspective a woman has a pick of 30 different men. Some will gho…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:36 PM
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Depends what is important to you in life. I think satisfaction and being happy is quite a big priority. Western women wouldn’t be happy there because they’ve been brainwashed (same for men) that they can go to Mars, if they wish so and work enough. People in the west have this insatiable need for more. Meanwhile saudi women are happy because they’re fulfilling their purpose very successfully while also being taken care of properly. The trade off is certain freedoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:28 AM
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Romantization of “bad boys”.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 10:43 PM
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I don’t think it’s that much of a problem. You’re limited with options for a reason. Meaning you’re probably not the one really choosing who you date.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:54 PM
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Thanks for this advice!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:15 PM
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Sure let’s meet up, fuck and have a child after the first date… not. The entire point of starting in early 20s is that you have several years of time to vet a man before you actually have a child with him. Women say themselves that men pretend then turn out to be horrible. Then why do they have a child with them after a year of being with them…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:47 AM
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I wouldn’t call myself any pill. I have mostly female friends and have trouble communicating with men. Some female friends I would agree to sleep with, some I wouldn’t because I’m not attracted to them. I would never suggest it though and don’t even feel the need to suggest it. But I would never be just friends with someone I initially had a romantic interest in.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 10:00 PM
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I think your 6th paragraph has an extremely important point. If you’re expecting your husband to have equal responsibilities taking care of the child, then you have to let him make his own decisions. Just one example that I think is quite common. The husband leaves the child to cry, while making sure it’s nothing serious. The mom gets upset for the child, starts soothing him/her and scolds her husband for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 09:54 PM
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I know of opposite cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 09:35 PM
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I don’t think anyone (or at least most men) shame women for depending on a man for stability. If you provide something of value besides yourself. What a woman should do in her early to mid 20s is find a man who is willing to share the burden of raising a child. Except many women overlook such men because they’re usually of average build, average salary, not selfish, have not mastered the art of seduction and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:44 PM
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This sounds more like something women would do. Men are way more direct. Men compete by trying to impress the woman or through simping as the previous commenter said.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 09:48 AM
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That’s because both of them are exploiting each other in such a relationship. It’s not an equal partnership. She has him for money and status. He has her for screwing around and looks. Neither of them are getting anything of actual value.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 05:38 PM
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I do work in a high school. I worked in an elementary school for a year with 13-14 y.o. students. It’s a small sample (about 8) but those girls were amazing to work with. I did not notice much difference between how girls and boys interacted with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:48 PM
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I asked specifically because of the first part of your reply. I’ve been alone well into my mid 20s despite wanting a partner my entire life. It’s been a struggle adapting to having a first relationship after years of not having to answer to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:37 PM
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Especially if you’re really trying to be objective and indifferent. How do you not reward such behaviour while not punishing them just for the sake of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:33 PM
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I doubt any female students thinking process is “I’ll wear this red shirt so the teacher will give me one grade higher.” But I used that example because it’s much easier to convey my point through text than trying to explain the tone they sometimes try to use to talk to me. Especially when I know how they normally talk and sound. Later I did remember that hair flicks could also have been a good example.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 08:02 AM
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See, the word “harassed”. I could also say that my female students “harass” me when they’re using their sexuality to extort better grades or other favors from me. It’s not as direct as when men hit on someone but it is not pleasant to the receiver. Furthermore, I can not point it out to my female students that their behavior is inappropriate since it’s so subtle they could easily play dumb and deny it. Not only that but maybe even turn it around to portray me as the culprit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 11:36 PM
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In what way do you mean your experiences are completely different?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:35 PM
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How are women better communicators when not a single one could communicate a single annoying behavior? Also, how is it less drama when women are the main consumers of drama and the best entertainment in reality shows? I do agree that it’s easier to open up to a woman but it’s very risky to do that as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:02 AM
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Who has built almost the entire infrastructure that exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:13 PM
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Just yesterday I briefly watched a video of an interview with a deadbeat man who fathered 7 children with 7 different women within a span of 6 years. One can argue all day long how this guy is a horrible human but ultimately he’s not stuck with a baby and he fulfilled his biological role. As for those women… how? Why? To think these women will also be raising these children. What will they be telling them??? “Your father left you.” It’s not even accurate because they weren’t committed at any poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:42 PM
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Yup, exactly. How are you supposed to compete when there's thousands of men throwing money, attention and whatever else at women just so they recognize their existance for a mere second. Then on the other hand you have chads having the time of their life screwing over those very same women, who then go on to become man haters.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 11:51 AM
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Abortion and birth control isn’t about avoiding responsibility it’s about acknowledging when bringing a child into the world isn’t the right choice for you and choosing not to raise a child that wouldn’t be tended to in the way children need. I’d argue this is one of the most responsible decisions an adult can make. This doesn't help at all. No one is saying women shouldn't be allowed to have abortions. OP said that men should have the ability for a paper abortion. Having a child with a man who …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:47 AM
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What makes you an “alpha” in a class? If you’re trying to flirt with a girl during my class and show your “dominance”, you’re not getting any sympathy from me. I have some want-to-be-alphas in my classes and all they do is try to disrupt the lesson.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:46 PM
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Did you experience it or read it? It’s one thing what they say and another what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:35 PM
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Well extremes are definitely pushed by men. Most women want a fit tall guy. But the phenomenon of having to be a 6’7 tower of muscle is propagated by men. Similarly, most men want a woman who takes care of herself so she has a nice skin and is well dressed. But caking on makeup to the point where they’re unrecognizable is pushed by women themselves. Looks do matter a lot. I would say 80% is looks. Rest is money and personality. Simply because being good looking completely alters your reality sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:00 PM
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How are they not “bad” when they’re willing to have an affair with someone taken, willing to cheat and take them on emotional roller coasters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:55 AM
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Amazing comments. We have all the data and projections to tackle this right now but many people just want to ignore this. These problems will just escalate as younger generations grow up and by then it will be waaaaaay too late to change their mindsets.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:18 PM
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Your mom sounds like an awesome person and your dad an asshole. I would just like to say that OP is talking about leftover men. Your dad doesn’t sound like a leftover man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:11 PM
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The commenter you’re replying to cannot relate because for her it’s mostly a choice, if she wants children/intimacy. She does not understand that for most men it’s not a choice but an uphill battle. State of despair is a logical reaction when you can’t get something that is a very basic biological need.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:56 PM
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Why don’t we just extract semen from Elon Musk, or similar alpha males, and use it to impregnate all women who want a child? The reality is that historically most men died or were enslaved before they could procreate. The reality is that social factor in mankind plays a much more important role in raising a child than people attribute it. I’m not saying every man should have a wife. But before you start talking about a solution you have to recognize there is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:39 PM
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Here’s an observable truth. If you’re charismatic and good looking, you could be talking gibberish and the woman would be melting. Those are the social skills you’re talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:45 AM
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Best explanation. It’s even so that women want a lot more but offer much less. On top of that there’s a lot more trauma and risk that comes with dating and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:31 PM
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One time my roommate accidentally dropped her water and it spilled a bit. Nothing serious. She dropped to her knees and started crying like a little child. My brain could not process what I was seeing… a grown woman crying over some spilled water. I also can’t imagine a man doing anything similar ever. It’s just an extreme example of partly what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 01:21 AM
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Have you even read what is in the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 01:11 AM
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That’s another way of saying that men should be getting traumatized for life in wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:35 PM
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You’re fully forgetting how modern society is leaving young men behind. I’m just trying to offer a different perspective that porn might not be the reason men are failing at dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:34 PM
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An interesting thought experiment would be: “How would non-existence of porn affect men?” According to some it would force more men to interact with women looking for sex. My personal opinion is that it would make men either more aggressive or depressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:41 AM
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Unfortunately, these traits are very low on priorities list that women look for in a man. When these are some of the most useful qualities a man can possess in out modern world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:19 AM
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You don’t even have to read a history book. There’s a lot of cases where a man kills their own partner, if they’re trying to leave them. This doesn’t happen because the man was mentally stable and happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:15 AM
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Are you joking? If men NEEDED validation, then most men wouldn’t survive. You know that most men get 0 compliments a year, even from their partners. Most men literally need just one woman to occasionally show them a little bit of affection. And where have you seen fat dudes get any validation from “social propaganda” or his friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 08:39 PM
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Yes, we could all just do heroin and be happy all of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:59 PM
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Yup. It's funny too because men are much more flexible while women still have to take care of pregnancy, period and are physically weaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 11:28 PM
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And now you went into the other extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:12 PM
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What makes men mad is the “we don’t need men” mentality some (many?) women have but at the same time they want all the assistance possible. Often than not at the expense of men who don’t get any special assistance at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 02:32 PM
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I just wanted to tell you that you seem like an amazing person. Recognizing and accepting that men are struggling means a lot already. We don’t get a lot of this. If we can’t recognize problems of the opposite gender, then we sure as hell won’t be able to properly fix them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 01:27 AM
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The bar is “low” because they set an unrealistic standard. With height the standard is 6’+. When they can’t find a man this tall they settle for a 5’11 and call this low.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 01:19 AM
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There's a lot of factors. For one, just look at the amount of socially accepted, if not even required, options women have to improve their looks. Very least they can do is shave, then there's makeup, clothing stores are mainly women's section and clothes that adjust their posture (heels, push-up bras, those leggings that makes their butt pop out). If you want, you can also go into extreme's an have a plastic surgery. Using all kinds of photo filters. They do make them only appear more attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 11:05 AM
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While I do agree with you, as most people will, I do not understand why this discussion is needed. The bigger problem is that most men are average. Many of them are good men who don’t even get an opportunity to develop socially. There’s too much talk of compensating when we should be talking about investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 12:06 PM
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A bit of a different take. There’s more to life than just sex. While we really do want sex most men aren’t willing to shape their entire life around this activity. Building a good stable relationship takes effort as a regular dude. So any man with a brain will recognize it’s not worth the additional hassle and risk. When it comes to men with options. It’s easy for them to switch women on a regular because they don’t invest anything in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 11:56 AM
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How do other countries affect where the west is headed?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 08:23 PM
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Now substitute this 52 year old woman with a 30 year old man. There would be hordes of women mocking this man for living at home in his 30s. There is no shortage of women on reddit who would be calling him a child for not doing chores or knowing how to cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:35 PM
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That’s very ignorant. Firstly, nothing implies that she’s happy. Also, you can be happy but unfulfilled. Secondly, it’s easy for women (or men) to make themselves happy or at least convince themselves. It’s much more difficult for someone else to make you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:27 PM
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Well it’s very simple actually. RP is offering a solution to men in the form of an idiot proof recipe. You put effort into yourself, which is fully under your control, and you’ll have more success. If nothing else, it boosts your confidence due to “I got this now” mentality. It’s just a self-fulfilling prophecy after that. RP just sprinkles some primitivism and toxicity on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:26 AM
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None of these are an advantage over women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 12:00 PM
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No, it’s more of a comparison between their past and future. The realization that they’re past their peak.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:16 PM
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“The wall” isn’t that much about men’s perception of women. It’s more about women coming to a realization that life is about to become real for them. There’s no magic that turns someone ugly the moment they hit 30. But that first wrinkle you notice… it’s not going away. A smile might not get you anything you want all the time and there is barely anything you can do to reverse that. Women at that age are still attractive but you know that time is ticking fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:14 AM
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Working yourself into the grave for housing and food. What an amazing life! Life becomes very cheap when society rejects you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 03:00 PM
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Working yourself into the grave for housing and food. What an amazing life! Life becomes very cheap when society rejects you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:59 PM
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Regarding point 4., I would say many man secretly wish their partner was ambitious, educated, respectable job, etc. We just don’t talk about it much because it’s hard to explain… too ambitious is bad (we don’t want a boss babe) as it comes with risks. For example more educated women are more likely to divorce at some point. Also we are more open about wanting attractive partners but that doesn’t mean the standard is a super model. Attractiveness also comes with health, body care and genetics. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 10:51 AM
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A friend of mine showed me her tinder. She received about 1k right swipes within 2 weeks. She’s average looking at best. That’s in a city of about 200k people. Now make a decision who to give your time. However, in the end they (women) still have almost full control over who they match with and continue interaction. Not much luck involved. As a man it’s almost all luck based.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 10:24 AM
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Validation. That’s what women give to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 12:59 AM
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Hmmmm, how quick can a woman get upset over the most innocent thing and impulsively make a post on reddit then get thousands of comments saying “leave”? Not saying the advice isn’t valid ever. But random people from the internet giving such advice isn’t helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 12:57 AM
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Women have full control over who they sleep with and even more control over pregnancy. Maybe don’t reward bad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 12:00 PM
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Not really. While men often comment and talk about celebrities, models and other attractive women, we don't really imagine ourselves being in a relationship with them. We don't really approach them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 11:41 AM
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I've been saying women have overvalued themselves while men are undervalued. Like it or not but we live and work to reproduce or to leave a legacy of some form. So decoupling "sexual market" value from labour market is absurd. If men can't exchange their money for sex at a fair rate, then why participate in the economy? (money/sex in a more abstract sense)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 11:28 AM
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Yesterday I couldn't resist replying to a comment in a misandrist post about "lonely men" on /r/twoxchromosomes. I just gave my perspective how men don't get any connections unless we actively try. Got down voted to hell. Actually weird that I didn't get banned as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 11:19 AM
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There should be men 20-21 dating 18-19 women. So no, it's not that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 11:15 AM
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My point is that it seeps into the real world anyway. Women are equipped with all the ammo to label a most passive statement made by a man as misogyny. For example “I don’t need no man. Internet told me single women are the happiest.” It’s not something you discuss casually. It’s something that comes out as a propellant to accelerate mild conflicts into raging fires. I’m sure you could identify similar phenomena with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 10:59 PM
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Because most of the dating age women are online. Because a lot of it is in women’s mainstream circles - just today there was a full front page misandrist post in the women’s sub. Because a lot of it is leaking into the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 05:38 PM
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But she is in full control. I would even argue that every single woman without a serious deformity could find a decent man within a week on OLD. That would require some commitment from her instead of behavior described by the OP. That’s what it felt like from my perspective. I was ready to commit to getting to know them and building something more they just went with how they felt each day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 05:29 PM
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Reading through all the celebrity names here I fully agree with you. Firstly because we don’t know them, as you said. Secondly because these men don’t have to lift a finger to get a dozen women within a day. Almost all men won’t be in such a situation ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 11:38 AM
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You’re coming from a wrong perspective. As a woman you can just exist and some man will see value in you. It’s different as a man. You can be a billionaire and no one will see value in you, if you can’t project it. Men invest a lot in personal growth and character development but get no results because no one shows them how to project that since it’s not just a question of caking on makeup. JP, Tate and Patrice O’Neal are either showing men how to project value or recognizing their inherent valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 11:29 AM
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Showing negative emotions. Sometimes it’s the only way of dealing with an issue (for example experiencing death of a close friend). But we are very much afraid of doing that because well… to many stories of women just losing all attraction after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 10:11 PM
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This list covers so many fundamentals!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:28 PM
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Exactly, we have just as many issues of our own but we are not allowed to deal with them in a healthy way because we get punished for it. That’s why so many men turn to drinking, drugs, physical abuse of partners, etc… It’s much less punishing than showing emotional vulnerability to our partner and getting stabbed in the back.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:23 PM
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I do not think I can judge his definition of agreeable but I can say what mine is. It’s someone who is willing to cooperate with me and trusts me to make good decisions even when it’s maybe not exactly what that person wants. That last part is more of an exception than a rule. They also do not seek arguments unless necessary. Being disagreeable is a massive turn off. I have a couple of female friends who pick apart literally every interaction I have with them. It’s just exhausting drama because …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:15 PM
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It very much depends what social media is used for. If the woman has to post a story every day, that’s a huge red flag to me. It signals that the motivation behind her actions, needs or wants isn’t self fulfilling. Then you’re just competing with yourself for the next big thing to show. For example I have a friend who posts having breakfasts in the forest… why can’t you just enjoy the nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:24 PM
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Even for those women it’s mostly on them how they handle the relationship. If they’re not too demanding of their partner, then the man will usually stay with them. I think that the amount of nagging a partner is willing to take is correlated with the woman’s attractiveness. For example, if you’re unattractive the man probably won’t feel like listening to your drama every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 01:33 AM
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Women have almost full control over their own fate in choosing which man to interact with. What they don't have is realistic perception of what kind of a man they're able to lock down.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 02:25 AM
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At the end of the day, women online have really misguided solidarity and will hype each other up even when they’re sabotaging themselves. This one is big. Women seem to be much quicker to throw blind support for their "tribe" without knowing more context. Take the Me Too movement where you're supposed to "believe all women". Imagine if men said "believe all men", since we know false accusations exist as well. Not only that but women will also actively bully women who stray even mildly from the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 07:45 PM
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got mutated in a weird mix of self importance and online flexing. Nicely put.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 08:28 AM
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Just impressed by your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:23 AM
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I actually prefer to interact with women and have mainly female friends. They offer fascinating insights. With age I have to admit that spending prolonged periods of time with them becomes exhausting. Too much insecurity, you have to be careful with subtext otherwise many will get offended, superficiality, passive aggression and lack of communicating what’s bothering them. It’s the lack of humility that bothers me. I’ve noticed most are fully aware of their behavior but still decide to go with i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:15 AM
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Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:55 AM
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It’s also become so much more pervasive throughout our culture with the rise of social media. Some gen Z girl told me that they used “submissive and breed-able” as a compliment in high school. It’s also very noticeable among women on forums such as this one. The main consensus among women seems to be “men want women just for sex” which plays right into your statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:47 AM
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Yep. Casual sex was present before and it’s not going away no matter how much women cheer on “no more sex until men better themselves”. What’s really happening is no more sex until an experienced narcissist or abuser tricks them into hooking up. On the other hand good guys are stuck trying to navigate a minefield. It’s so frustrating when women try to turn every statement into an attack on them. So it’s just a matter of time before you’re classified as misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 01:58 PM
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This just perpetuates the problem and plays right into the red pill ideology… brings you down to the same level as those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 01:44 PM
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With dating apps we have given thousands of options to choose from to a gender who most of the time cannot even decide between vanilla ice cream or chocolate. It’s simple as that. No AI needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 11:15 AM
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Since you clearly did not understand my point and backed up the misandrist I was replying to I'll double up. Women are a burden on themselves. Men's happiness increases because they finally find comfort in marriage. Women's happiness does not because they have someone to blame for their inability to find comfort. One thing I've noticed about women is that they take on responsibilities and problems that no one ever asked them to take on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 12:50 AM
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Because it would be smart to take into account the time component of your value. Especially when your value is falling over time. If you lock down a highly attractive and sought after man in your 20s, then by your 40s when you’re gaining weight, losing libido, impractical, entitled and generally losing attractiveness that guy will leave you for your younger peers. Whose strategy is the same as you’re advocating for. It’s a trade off… I’ll go for someone less attractive now. But they will stay wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 10:45 AM
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If you say that it’s not a good idea for a woman in her 20s to sleep around, the usual reply is “she can do whatever she wants”. Men don’t say this because we want to control women. We say it because we know men they screw around with. I can give you many examples of my acquaintances who would’ve been much better listening to simple advice and being a bit more reserved.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 10:29 AM
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Yes, I don’t know her but she’s clearly positively responding to his episodes. People like her usually jump from one abusive partner to another.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:57 AM
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I agree with this. I have problems because people perceive me as very friendly. Often they point it out after knowing me for like a minute. It’s kind of ironic because in that moment I just feel like screaming in their face. They then subconsciously connect that with a lack of masculinity. For women this means they quickly dismiss me as a potential romantic interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:49 AM
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I’ve many friends who get activated by drama. There’s also a reason why so many tabloids are popular. What boggles my mind is that they’re very self aware, that it hurts them and they still choose to entertain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 10:56 PM
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Why would he want to dump her when he’s getting what he wants? She literally dictates what is necessary to peak her interest and compliance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 10:47 PM
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Thing is that she’ll just find someone similar or even worse because it seems that such behavior attracts her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 10:40 PM
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Yes, I was referring to the IQ distribution. Maybe I phrased it a bit too sharp.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 09:58 PM
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Something that is deeply unpleasant is when women extrapolate a statement out of proportion. When you say something completely innocent but they make it seem like you just declared a war on the entire female population and you’re the worst misogynist on this planet. It reminds me of many of your points. For example once I was watching the bachelor with a friend. She asked who’s getting Kicked out. I said that the girl with glasses (least attractive out of a group of 8, everyone would agree). My …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 02:29 PM
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It’s kind of intimidating to men, if you’re an intelligent woman. Especially since most men aren’t intelligent. For the rest of men, who are intelligent, it’s a blessing but only in conjunction with traits that don’t make you too competitive or aggressive. Before you get me wrong. When it’s a game the challenge is amazing and refreshing. But I really don’t want to be arguing with you which route is better, if I’m the one driving. Small unimportant decisions like that. It’s like a cherry on top. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 02:16 PM
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They aren’t just aware or know about the age difference. Many women even exploit it and are the initiators themselves. As a high school teacher in my mid 20s, man, can I tell you. The amount of teen girls weaponizing sex (not the actual act). You’re often put in a position where students have questions or requests. The girls will smile, flirt, talk childishly and do other things to draw attention. They’re also more persistent and will escalate if needed. So they fully know what they’re doing. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 09:07 PM
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Most modern women are raised to be princesses that get annoyed or offended by the slightest of things. Meanwhile a man is supposed to tolerate everything. This makes healthy pair bonding extremely difficult. Sprinkle on top the fact that women rarely even communicate what bothers them… you just see countless threads on twoxchromosomes sub of “my partner this and that” and an ocean of comments cheering her on. So instead of building attraction over time women seek that spark for which they justif…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:49 PM
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Thank you for sharing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:34 PM
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I could also play this game and say that most women are a burden on men. I could also tell you to go live with a woman and very quickly you would find out it’s the same as living with a man. I’ll just tell you that it’s much easier to go through life with a partner. You just have to choose the correct one. A small tip, it’s not the bad boy with emotional issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:02 AM
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Couldn’t have said it better myself!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 01:46 AM
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It just feels that women have internalized these standards. Sure men say they want a 9/10 and women say they want a 9/10. Except men are fully aware this is not reality and will accept average women. While many women seem to think 6 ft man who makes 6 figures is common.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:33 PM
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Except being emotionally mature is almost irrelevant. In many ways it’s even worse for men because you get punished as soon as you express negative emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:26 PM
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Exactly, which in many ways is a gateway to building wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:15 PM
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Yeah, but my point is that if there’s going to be a rise in singledom there’s not going to be an abundance of kids, cousins, nephews and siblings to keep you (us) company. There’s a lot of cascade events that follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:10 PM
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Friends and family can fill in for many of the needs that one might normally get from a spouse or partner. You’re in your 60s. Your parents are dead. You barely have any wealth to your name because single life is expensive so you’re stuck working to pay rent. Friends are ever more difficult to make and maintain contact with. Just saying that investing into having a spouse isn’t just to have fun while you’re young.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 09:05 PM
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Because it's next to impossible to meet a single and willing woman irl later in life. Many romances started in the workplace in the past. This is heavily discouraged today and many women follow that religiously. Marriage was more popular in the past. Meaning, it was easier to identify single women (wedding rings). Now you could cold approach 100 women and most of them will be taken or healing from an ex. People used to know their local area much better and random meetings were more common. Like …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 09:38 AM
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I’m a straight guy with mainly female friends. I just friendzone them as a precaution. Here’s issues I face: - I’m terrified of them wanting more so I hold too much distance sometimes, - my communication also gets me friendzoned often or rather I have a hard time building initial romantic attraction, - there have been times where after a while some female friends made me feel so comfortable that it was extremely difficult to resist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 01:11 AM
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I see what you did there. Good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 11:54 PM
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Not many because most of what you listed will get you nowhere as a man today. Especially not waiting till marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 09:51 PM
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Why do you think men benefit more from marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 06:57 AM
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Women have taken on more masculine roles but I think they have not allowed men to take on more feminine roles. The only viable thing left for men to be successful is to double down on masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:06 PM
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It’s also much more difficult to improve attractiveness as a man. Gaining muscle, changing personality, improving financial stability… it takes a lot of invested effort over a span of months or even years without a guarantee of any results. Usually it also requires a combination of everything. Having muscle helps nothing, if you’re shy. Even with that you might go from 5 to a 6, maaaaaybe 7. A woman can cake on makeup and get instant results going from 4 to a 6 Small wardrobe tweaks, optimizing …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:02 PM
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But the intentions can be nefarious from either side. Except one side is completely missing from the discussion. Even in the example above. The information you get is that he’s in recovery (which is strange) and that he ghosts. Someone who might’ve had an amazing connection with him won’t be posting anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:57 PM
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It’s insane that we’ve progressed so far only to start behaving more primal with every year that passes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 02:38 PM
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Aaaaaand you just ignored my entire comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 01:37 PM
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Everyone has the right to protect themselves. Telling each other stories about very subjective experiences isn’t protecting. A guy trying to kiss his date could end up being gross for one woman, a sexual assault for another or romantic for the third.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 11:41 AM
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Can you find a source? This is mind blowing. I think the government is fine with this because more singles means more renters, more fluidity and mobility, more customers, etc. I’m just not sure society will sustain this. 51% must be a direct consequence of the popularization of social media and dating apps. The pandemic just made it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 12:09 AM
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But I feel like it’s the women propagating hookup culture. Simply because the men who made their entire life about getting laid are getting all the action from women. You can really blame them because they’re winning. And I can tell you from personal experience that integrity, emotional intelligence and genuine connection gets you nowhere as a man. That’s why more and more men are finding shelter RP and misogynistic communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 12:03 AM
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Don’t they have a huge problem in Korea with jaws? They have large jaws that look unattractive so a lot of them get a plastic surgery. To the point where a huge percentage of the population now has this problem. What’s worse is that getting that plastic surgery usually makes the person more attractive than the average person. Now that modified person has a reproductive advantage propagating the issue further. From this perspective I would care if my SO had severe appearance altering plastic surg…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 11:54 PM
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Most comments I've read don't seem to get this simple concept around here. Yes, some men don't even try or give up after a few tries. For most men it's a matter of hundreds of rejections without a single positive experience besides "learning".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:24 AM
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Ignoring the rejection toll the costs are through the roof. I’ve wasted an entire year dating…. hundreds of hours that I could’ve used better. I’ve meet several women that could’ve been amazing partners. Now think that we’re essentially headed towards a world where we’ll be dating our entire lives… How meaningless a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:54 PM
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Why is everyone so negative. It’s a fun thought experiment - meaning it’s not something actually possible but fun to explore the idea. The forever part is maybe a bit brutal but restriction for a limited time would be quite fine. If you break up with someone toxic, not being allowed another relationship for a while would be beneficial. It’s usually better to recover anyway and no there’s no pressure. If you’re the person jumping from one relationship to another, well sorry. Maybe you’ll think tw…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:23 PM
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Yes, I was agreeing with you and gave an example that I’ve come across. It blew my mind what they did. Finding someone that makes you happy is a beautiful thing and knowing when you have a fulfilling life ahead is powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:50 PM
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There was a talk show with JustPearly things. A statistic was presented that around 85% of married women who only had 1 relationship are happy. This jumps down dramatically (think 10-30%) for women who had more than 1 partner. Despite hearing this statistic the single women on the panel who sleept around tried to convince the one happily married woman it would be better for her to try out different partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:07 PM
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Unattractive women have it the worst. I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:51 PM
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Ummmm, but it’s not as steep decline as a woman’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:10 AM
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As a mid 20s man in his first relationship I can tell you that just before I was headed down a dark path. That's despite having huge respect for women my entire life. I consider myself as fairly attractive. Must me that much harder for men who are on the lower end. It feels so empowering to be wanted. It feels so ensuring to at least have the feeling of knowing what you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:49 PM
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Yeah but the older you are less likely you are to actually get something serious and good.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:32 PM
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Literally from OPs title: the biological imperative for a man is slighty more forgiving than a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:30 PM
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It's also such primitive thinking because the guy pumping iron 24/7 or the guy who inherited millions or the guy who got lucky gambling with crypto don't neccessarily have better genetics and they most likely won't make for better fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 09:09 PM
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What you don't understand is that men get absolutely 0 positive validation. Except "you're such a nice guy... you'll find someone for you", which is usually pity. I'm a fairly attractive guy but a huge introvert. In 1 year of dating I haven't received a single compliment from meeting about 20 women. Like is it that hard to find one thing positive about a person and telling them that??? Because I can tell you with confidence that 90% of men have absolutely no clue about their strong qualities bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:28 PM
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Yes, society takes men for granted today. As if we don’t have needs of our own. I might not be a soldier today. I might not have to hunt for survival. But things can change very quickly. There’s kind of a reason why we developed to have a 1:1 gender ratio as opposed to 1 man for every 5-10 women. Also, yes. If I were asked to defend “our” land today, I would desert. Simply because modern society is breaking too many social contracts at my cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 02:12 PM
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Men really are the clowns. Women have full control over their own dating experience. As a man you’re affected by masses of desperate men showering women with too much attention. Because the average woman constantly has tens of orbiters who court tens of other women your only option is to adapt the same strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:59 PM
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I think it will escalate the gap further. Top 10% of men taking one an even larger percentage of women simply because there’s less risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:49 PM
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What I’m trying to show you how it goes both ways and how quickly it can escalate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:27 PM
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Except many women are recklessly jumping into bed with random players but will reject a guy for lack of experience. The tolerance I’m talking about is to actually do what you’re preaching - vet the guy before fucking him. I can tell you from experience that at some point I wasn’t even sure how to hug anymore. My confidence sky rocketed when I started dating my girlfriend. The only reason for that is that she just went with our first typical interactions (kissing, touching, etc) despite a bit of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:36 AM
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And what can men do to be more worthy of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:21 AM
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What if I said all single mothers are a burden on society?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:19 AM
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It’s not all about sex. Men want to feel wanted and needed more than having sex. If it was just that, it is easy to get off by yourself. What we want is a little bit more tolerance from women and actually be open to pair-bonding. Rather than reject men because you don’t feel fireworks the moment you see them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:52 PM
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It’s even sadder when you realize that those starving men would quickly become much more attractive, if women just had a little bit more tolerance. At absolutely no cost to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:47 PM
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Maybe if you fed those starving men a bit, they would actually have a fair chance at becoming better and that would benefit you more than overfeeding the guy who doesn’t need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:42 PM
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Hmmmm, 30 % of society defined as losers and the number is rising?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:39 PM
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Are you sure? All you need is an Andrew Tate to mobilise them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:37 PM
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It disgusts me how little empathy women show towards the stereotypical man but expect full support from us.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:35 PM
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It’s funny how his statement is perpetuating the main problem men face today. That there’s something inherently wrong with them because they can’t get a woman. Which is an even worse form of gaslighting than OPs examples which don’t paint the person in a negative way. You almost never see anyone tell men that there’s nothing wrong with them. Just the rules of the game have changed. They’re given all the wrong advice. It’s very unfortunate but to be successful as a man today you need to be selfis…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:08 PM
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Yeah, but to equate “add value” and “be celebrated” isn’t exactly correct. Also, I highly doubt super successful people work for the benefit of society. That’s just a by product of their desire for power.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:33 AM
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To think that humans aren’t driven by a biological desire to reproduce is a delusion. Men are heavy net contributors to society and the only thing most men would want in return is reproduction rights. I do think some men should not have the opportunity to reproduce. The problem is that the way things are going most men won’t have the opportunity to reproduce. Which kills the incentive for men to contribute to society. At some point it may even drive men to start destroying society, which from a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:42 AM
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Society constantly rewards people for useless things. The main goal of these useless things is to appease society. Musk publicly bragging about his success is a completely selfish act. While the engineers behind “Musk’s success” are doing it for themselves in private and society doesn’t reward them for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:09 AM
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So the football quarterback or a rich businessman (think Trump) is pushing society forward while that engineer at SpaceX is just useless for society?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:56 AM
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That is very optimistic of you. Would you say that it would be good for society to limit the amount of male babies being born?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:43 AM
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I could easily live working 10h/week and live a decentish happy life. It gets very cheap when you throw away all the luxury to impress other people. But if I have to be investing 80h/week+looksmax for the rest of my life to get a woman to like me it’s just not worth it anymore. Since middle ground doesn’t get me anything either… why even bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:37 AM
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I have come across a very specific type of woman several times. Late 20s or early 30s, highly educated and started dating after a very longterm relationship. All of them rejected me citing that they’re not over their toxic ex. I hated it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:27 AM
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A man can get himself off better with a hand as well… Can’t get that human touch feeling with just a hand though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 02:34 PM
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Yes, but for that moment the loneliness goes away. For the average man this loneliness is persistent without a quick solution in sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 11:48 PM
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But if she wanted to, she always got that option of feeling wanted. Even if it’s just with a rando.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 11:46 PM
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What is af/bb?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 11:45 PM
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Your entire argument is based on the assumption that a woman’s decision making is flawless. What you’re forgetting to add is “thinks”. She thinks that she has a superior option available. And that allegedly “superior” man did not out-compete me because there was no competition because that man doesn’t exist. However genetically “superior” you are in her mind there’s always someone better for her because most women base their value off of the men they date. She’s dating an 8, there’s a 9 out ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 04:48 PM
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As someone mentioned already. Western society is at risk because we’ve pushed career over raising a family. Now to tackle the issue with men in the underclass. Men at the top don’t provide value to society. They extract it. From other men and women. Elon Musk still needs a guy to set up his servers or to build him a rocket. That’s a fact. To claim value of the average man is going down is utterly insane. That also implies that either the value of women is going down or that women are only baby f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 12:02 AM
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Most people have no clue what “weak” means. They don’t even realize how regressive their thinking is. We’ve had guns for a long while now. A child could pull a trigger to take down a 100 kg ape of a man. If gym bros of the west had their own way, they would go to war barehanded thinking they’ll win.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 11:52 PM
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It is actually you thinking as a woman. First, sex and happiness might not be directly linked. But not being able to get sex for longer periods of time as a man can definitely mess you up. Which prevents you from being happy. Secondly, you're trying too hard to make sex purely about the man having an orgasm. If it was just that, there would be no problems because you can just use your hand. Sex is an ultimate expression of intimacy that both genders crave. But a woman can get that by walking dow…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 05:04 PM
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Difference from then to now is that they had a sense of community. Today many people are lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 02:52 PM
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The feeling I get is that women are less willing to share or give anything at all, if they are not sexually attracted. They will sexualize themselves to maximum for the right guy and for free on top of that. For the wrong guy it’s “women are not a vending machine”.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 01:24 PM
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Are you sure? What if you tried a thousand more options? Maybe you could’ve had a millionaire or a billionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 07:18 AM
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That’s why I used quotation marks. It’s not like they do it themselves… but they are grown people. You touch fire, you get burned. You touch a cactus, you get stung. You pet a lion, you get scratched. People learn these patterns because there’s very visible consequences. Fyi I did not need to get scratched by a lion to know that. Neither does every woman have to experience an abusive relationship to be more careful. In my initial comment I did say once or twice it’s hardly on you to fall for an …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 03:09 PM
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Yes, I fully agree and there should be systems of support for such women (and men). Patterns of behavior are learned. That’s the point I was trying to make. There’s a lot of women who don’t come out of abusive households but “teach” themselves these patterns with reckless behavior and choosing wrong partners because there’s very little risk. In the past getting knocked up out of marriage had serious consequences. Today you get knocked up 5x by 5 different abusive men and there’s 0 consequences… …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:45 AM
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As partner I understand LTR. Personality > N count > weight > looks > career > age This doesn’t correlate to how wide or narrow my standards are. I’m okay with most personalities but you’re 100% out if you’re that one type I don’t like. On the other hand, with age I would prefer younger than myself but I barely care in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:35 AM
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Semantics is important. Men don’t “love” whores, they love having sex and they love providing for. It’s what empowers us. It’s just that with whores it’s very easy to achieve both of those things with very little time commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:24 AM
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With what I’m about to say my intent is not to defend or justify abusers and their actions. It also holds true for women and men. It’s hard to blame someone for ending up with someone abusive once, maybe twice. But I’ve seen many women who keep repeating the same patterns. Some even consciously recognize them… as in “I just like bad boys”. At that point that person has to take accountability for their own life choices. If not else simply because it’s much easier to change their own patterns rath…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:11 AM
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I'm just answering the question. It says a lot about women. Why would you go fuck a 20 years older man? For one fancy dinner?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 01:48 PM
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I think a lot of it also has to do with our instant gratification culture. Women with hundreds of options shoved down their throat aren't really willing to invest more than a few text lines of effort into a single person. Their decision making being heavily driven by emotions makes them go with a guy that pushes the correct buttons. It's usually highly manipulative men or men who have dedicated their life to sleeping around.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 05:56 PM
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Really? How many women have you seen do this? Personally, I've seen a lot of good men struggle to find a relationship with a woman. On the other hand I've seen walking red flags of men jumping from a relationship into a relationship, no problem. I know of at least two male acquaintances living on credit and pushing 50s who got divorced and started dating late 20s/early 30s women. They had a new trophy every other month. I can tell you for a fact that those girls got nothing of longterm value fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 05:41 PM
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Chad for me is a tall and fit man with attractive facial structure. Regarding personality, he is fairly self centered with his ego boosted by the amounts of female attention he gets. I would say it has nothing to do with money. Just the amount of time he is willing to invest in attracting women through over the top hobbies (yachting, ig, luxury cars, travel, etc.) and wasting time on dating apps or hookup places.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 12:24 AM
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Is this an idea propagated mainly by men or women? I believe that if a woman wants to have sex, she will sleep with any man she finds sexually very attractive regardless of other qualities. It’s part of women’s sexual liberation movement and I feel like many of them use it as an excuse to sleep around recklessly… (e.g. “I can sleep with whoever I want!”). I would go even as far to say that they specifically look for such men who will discard them to avoid the potential of starting a serious rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 12:15 AM
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That is such an ignorant comment. You have no clue what it’s like to get rejected a hundred times.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 03:28 PM
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It’s mainly the white boys born into very rich families that have an advantage in society. Even that I would say that nowadays is because trust fund girls just let themselves be spoiled rather than take over family business. In every other scenario women have huge advantages over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 11:06 AM
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Men who want that are just as weak as those passive women. A strong individual let’s their partner develop their strengths. However, if it comes to a disagreement, you want submission from a woman because that means she respects and trusts you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 11:05 PM
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It’s this paradox. They want a man better than them but at the same time be treated as an equal. So it always starts with a power imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:32 PM
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The moment I feel the need to take over the leadership role for whatever reason I don’t want her to challenge me. That’s what “submissive” is to me. I’m happy to let her make as many decisions as she wants. When it comes to something important to me, something urgent or she’s simply making a huge blunder my word is last. This view stems from me knowing my weaknesses and strengths very well. Meaning I will use my “power” only when really necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 08:57 AM
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You’re one of the lucky ones because you seem like a healthy grown up. There’s two important factors. You chose a good partner, who actually shares the load of raising a child with you. Many women just completely ignore the importance of a good partner. You actually care about yourself. It’s very easy for all women to look amazing in their 20s. But after that it’s just downhill… that’s why we call it the wall. How steep depends on how much you’re willing to take care of yourself. Many women just…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 04:53 PM
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You can go infinite back and forth about whether it’s the men driving these insane standards or women. Matter of the fact is that men in general wouldn’t treat top women any different than now, if no women wore makeup. It’s just that the women at the top would be the ones with natural beauty as opposed to the ones who have mastered the art of caking on makeup. It’s the women who drive their own insane beauty standards to attract men. It’s the men driving their own insane beauty standards to attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 10:58 PM
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I would not disqualify anyone for not meeting following standards. I'm just listing for the sake of usefulness to the OP. Height: 165 - 179 Income: at least state average income Race: no preference Body type: slim, which I think is about 55 - 65 kg for the height range I listed. Mainly has to do with wanting to be more athletic. I don't care if she gains a bit more weight with age as long as it's not obese. House/no house: No preference Kids/no kids: no kids (very low chance of me breaking this …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 02:05 PM
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Try considering polygamy from a childs perspective. Relationships are difficult to navigate for most humans. Even simple strongly defined traditional relationships between two people. Children learn by observing their parents and use that as a reference for their own relationships. Now imagine how confusing it would be for a child to navigate a polygamous relationship which involves multiple closely related people and all the different dynamics. People entering and leaving the child's life. Prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 10:21 AM
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Thus, this increases the competition even further. I agree. It's kind of a positive feedback loop. I just don't agree with your numbers. In my view, women used to sacrifice their youth while men sacrificed their middle age. Since those are each gender's prime years. Now women want the absolute best right away. While it makes no sense for good men in their prime to settle for women, who have wasted their youth on bad partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 10:00 AM
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If the topic was "Men post women's nudes online", we would be talking about that. But that's not the topic of this post. What more do you want than me yielding to you and saying that "neither is ok". Then asking you not to participate in similar behavior? The idea behind such groups might be protecting women but it's also very easy to exploit such groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 09:50 PM
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When it comes to problems men deal with versus what women deal with it feels that female problems are more self-inflicted. What I've seen from my female friends or coworkers is that they will pick up tasks no one even asked them to. Then they will complain after. (e.g. "I have to do everything around the house", "He keeps messaging me.. but I keep responding", "Ah a mess I have to clean up again", "So many clothes but nothing to wear") It very much translates to dating. An average woman has so m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 09:12 PM
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This has nothing to do with far left. It’s just liberalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 08:24 AM
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And you’re straight up putting words in my mouth. Saying “neither is ok” does not mean they are equal and this is not something to be discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 11:19 PM
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“Literally” would imply that Somewhere in my comment said that they are the same. I never did say that. I just explained to you why he (we) are about that. I don’t share nudes. I’m (or he) is telling you not to expose personal info online. If it’s anything serious, contact the authorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 11:16 PM
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Because nowadays you see all woman body shapes be praised. On the other hand, men are bombarded with unrealistic ig/celebrity fitness bodies and the only solution being proposed is “go to the gym”. I’m fairly fit and very athletic… I would not pass today’s men’s body standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 10:36 PM
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Yes, absolutely. “All” men. Especially the kind that go for such arrangements because they’re desperate for any kind of love… One of the worst takes I’ve seen in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:56 PM
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If those 6 % are mainly for women, it still destroys the balance in favor of women. If everything else is equal, this means 6 % more educated women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:12 AM
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Yeah, most of women won’t ever allow that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:05 AM
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He said that women “wanted” to work. Now you’ve set a standard for the future. If you get pregnant, tough life… pregnant women before you worked, you also have to work now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:04 AM
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But you missed the initial point. Women use these stats to justify their rudeness towards men. Which, to me, seems like a complete fallacy. If you are scared of a particular person, your first instinct isn’t to be rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:38 AM
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Neither is ok. He cares about this more because he’s a man. You care more about the nudes because you’re a woman. Yes, this bothers us because real names are exposed, because it can be very subjective and because one could make up false stories with malicious intent. It would bother you too, if there was a group talking about specific women and how they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:30 PM
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This isn’t the correct way of thinking about this topic. You have to think in terms of her friends. Most women want a guy that will get her validation from her friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 09:01 PM
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Can you give me an example of some "biology" that many man reject?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:57 PM
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This is just pure gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:38 PM
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I’m not sure if I understood your use of central limit theorem in the correct context, but yes. I find your take the closest to reality. One could have an entire debate around travel because there’s so many approaches… backpacking, laying on the beach, partying, etc. So in the end “Traveling” appears like a generic hobby that girls with a lack of personality like to put up on profiles or point out because it adds to their personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:33 PM
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In some video there was a phrase “Marriage is the new dating and kids are the new marriage”. The implication is that even if you get married as a man, you still have to remain in a highly competitive state because otherwise there’s a high chance that your spouse will leave you. It’s exhausting. On some dating sub a woman in her early 60s was complaining about her “boyfriend” (around 70 yo) not wanting to take up a part time job so that they would have extra money to travel. No man wants to deal …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:28 AM
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You can do whatever you want but we can argue what could improve your life. For example, sure women can party and sleep around with bad boys but from my male perspective I can raise awareness that such a lifestyle will leave them with consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:08 AM
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I think so as well. We won’t solve anything because the root cause of today’s problems is not being addressed by the appropriate authorities. We are simply forgetting what it is to be human.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:01 AM
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In today’s fast paced world with nearly endless possibilities that has very low chance of happening unfortunately. It’s also not just about being a virgin but serious relationship in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:48 PM
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I have been dismissed almost solely on the basis of never having a relationship before several times. I could feel the tone change when I said it. Would it have been better for me to lie about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 04:40 AM
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But for some men it actually is essential for survivability. Like some high n-count women sleep with men for validation, some men seek intimacy with sex workers because guess what… a man can't just go into a street and find a woman willing to fuck him within 5 minutes. Even if you’re an above average man without “game” it can take months or even years to find someone. It’s more prevalent than ever with high rates of loneliness among men. When you get down to intimacy there is very little differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 04:21 AM
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It’s a question of whether that person has a drinking problem or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 04:02 AM
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But they do want to have sex. Just out of different reasons other than love or pleasure. You have women who do that not for money directly but for other benefits and it’s them starting the encounter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 03:57 AM
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I see the argument here by a lot of men who don’t get attention or love or sex from women that… Yes, you should not be with someone out of empathy alone. The problem is that many women just give away love very cheaply. Let me give you an example. Harry Styles walks up to you and invites you on a date. Very easy to fall in love with. But ultimately you can’t really expect from him to give you anything of real value. Sure he’s one of the best but to him you’re just one of many. On the other hand y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:17 AM
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But why are these exact women later so unhappy, while married women report a much higher life satisfaction? Seems like he's talking about single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:50 PM
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Women have been sold on this idea of “strong independent women”, who can do anything by themselves without any help. This is way too much propagated in the media. It hurts both genders. We are supposed to complement each other. Instead we’re reverting back to the most primitive ways where women are mainly viewed as sex objects and also present themselves as such. Either that or they go full career mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:25 AM
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Source? I can go to my local jail and see tons of non-Chad domestic abusers mate. I did say more likely. Which doesn't mean "all". Also, we weren't talking about marriage but early stages of dating where the "top guy" with hundreds of options won't waste time and money for some random woman. men definitely don't take a shotgun style approach to online dating and swipe indiscriminately Because it makes no sense to invest too much time into a single woman due to high likelyhood of rejection becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:12 PM
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No wonder we are where we are. People have lost all concept of "average".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:19 PM
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For one because being a chad doesn’t mean you’re a top man. Secondly, she could get much more value out of an average guy than out of that “top guy” who will just use and discard her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 02:02 PM
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For one because being a chad doesn’t mean you’re a top man. Secondly, she could get much more value out of an average guy than out of that “top guy” who will just use and discard her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 01:55 PM
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You should also mention that the market can overvalue or undervalue a stock. Especially when the price is driven by emotions. Here we’re talking about women… There’s much more to a man’s value than just desirability by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 01:51 PM
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What does give a man value?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 01:35 AM
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What you don't understand is that an "average man" means average looking. You're more likely to get treated correctly by an average man than the Chad sitting on his couch mass spamming girls for ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 01:33 AM
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Most of the men on this sub like to blame women for this, when they’d do better by calling out men who treat women like shit. Unfortunately that's not how it goes. If I start calling out some Chad for his shitty treatment of women, he will just laugh in my face. You know why? Because in the end he's still getting what he wants while I'm not. That doesn't mean I don't condemn his behaviour. It's just that I'm not going to achieve anything by being vocal about it because it's not be giving him wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 01:18 AM
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Not in a relationship but getting there. Age: late 20s. It would be tough but going through life with someone means all aspects of life. I’m assuming that my hypothetical partner is an amazing person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 10:50 AM
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First of all, some other expert says that married men are healthier than unmarried. While married women are not healthier than unmarried. He goes on to say they have an equal chance of developing metabolic dysfunction. This does not mean marrying is bad for women’s health. The happiness part is also a very bad take. There’s just too many important variables that they did not address. There’s always a base value of people unhappy in their life. Some married women have simply chosen a bad partner …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 10:00 PM
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I haven’t been diagnosed. Never really even tried because I just mask too well. What others don’t see is all the effort we have to put in to decipher a social interaction. Especially when a tough topic comes up and you’re trying to navigate the minefield coordinating verbal and non-verbal communication as to not offend other party. Because 99% of the time I have no nefarious intentions at all. I just wish people communicated more directly and sincerely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 09:30 PM
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I'll just end it here. You're refusing to acknowledge that I (hypothetically) also had 10+ dark years of experience of constant rejection and loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 05:12 PM
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You completely missed the point. Which is... having masses of sexually frustrated men is a very dangerous thing for women. What you're not allowing men to do is exactly what many women are saying they want. "I want an emotionally available man", "I want my man to be changing diapers", etc. The reality is that most of those women are really repulsed by men willing to do that for them. Men feel that they're being misled and deprived of their needs. This can (or rather is) lead down a very dark pat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 04:55 PM
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A friend of mine broke up with a good partner of almost 10 years. She started dating a literal red flag. She almost unfriended me when I warned her about it - very early on. He dumped her quite fast after. You can't expect the same from all humans. Some are just assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 03:31 AM
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Such an amazing take. The last part encapsulates the reality so well. Society changed 50 years ago when women made their revolution and refused traditional gender norms. It's about time for men to do the same. Women refused traditional gender norms but are not allowing men to do the same. At some point something or someone will come up that will rally all the lonely men to take what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 12:12 AM
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You are refusing to recognize that all the women had experienced 10+ years of life in their prime before deciding to finally settle down in their subprime. All of this accumulated experience negatively impacts her future relationships. Already just the comparison of her life before and now. Used to travel, party, not care or anything else fun she might've done. Now she's stuck with a child and this man she barely shares any memories with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:04 PM
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Yeah, exactly this. I’m not there yet. I still have hope for a fulfilling relationship with a woman. If I ever get to a point, where a woman can’t improve my life anymore, I’ll be contacting you I guess. We can go skiing, gaming or whatever hobbies we share :p
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 02:04 PM
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That is my life goal that I have been and am working towards. But the longer I’m left alone on this journey less I’m willing to let someone hop on just before the finish line. If I’m fully self-sufficient with a moderate amount of wealth in my mid 30s then I don’t really need to introduce someone new in my life anymore. Especially not someone who’s been screwing around in her 20s, now wants to settle down and only bring me responsibilities. Possibly even trouble and a high chance of heartbreak. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 02:01 PM
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It’s a really sad state of affairs and I think you’ve captured it amazingly. I’ve been alone my entire life despite my life goal being creating a family. I’ve almost done all the side quests (great job, stability, education, personality, etc.). A house is the only thing missing. My family is the only support I ever got. Now, if I’ve managed to achieve all of that by the age of around 35 all by myself. Why would I be wanting to commit to a single woman, who contributed nothing, when I’m in one of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 10:32 PM
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You missed the point. Which was that there is a disconnect between women saying what guys should do to attract them and what they actually respond to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:20 PM
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I've almost no male friends and a lot of female friends. Some purely platonic (even attractive ones), some I wouldn't mind romantic if they showed little interest and some I keep at a distance. I've also joined many groups and wasted a lot of time where 90% of women were taken. I'm not a party guy so I defaulted to Tinder. I've had some moderate success over text. I've had some nice dates after that but even the women that seemed to make a connection ultimately put me in the friend category. Now…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 12:34 PM
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And you got a super complex answer where she turned herself into a hero who sacrifices all her wants over someone else’s because she has already produced an answer to her own answer where she rejected her own suggestion because it would apparently be more difficult than saying how bad she needs it. And some other stuff between. This entire scenario happening in her head. Then they tell men to communicate more/better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:38 PM
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Conservative women have no concept of alpha fucks beta bucks, as they give the stable guy full sexualization as well as romanticization. They seem to understand better that sometimes we have to play roles that are for mutual benefit not just one's own benefit. How about the spark? Plenty of men will complain about how women don't want to build attraction over time anymore and dispose of men if there's no initial attraction. I'll be one of the plenty. I've met some amazing women that I've built i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 12:09 AM
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It's like women refuse to acknowledge needs of the average man. While simultaneously being fully aware what men, including nice guys, want. Except many women deny sex or other needs to guys who genuinely try to care about them as well. But they will crawl for a guy who treats them bad until he wants something. Personally, the amount of times I've had women (both friends and romantic interests) complain to me how bad they've been treated but at the same time they still entertain those guys while …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:51 PM
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Did she just prove everything that you've written?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:37 PM
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Yeah, exactly. I'm not denying standard masculine characteristics. Men (and women) should be active and stay as fit as possible. But as you say. Western culture takes these characteristics to an extreme. As if this is the only thing we live for... to go to the gym every day and do 2 hours of repetitive moves just to satisfy our primitive urges. This is constantly being advertised to all men and all women as if that's the only pinnacle of human achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 12:58 AM
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What does it mean to improve? Did I even say I don’t want to improve?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 05:05 PM
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As a semi-fit active STEM nerd what bothers me is that working out is being forced onto me on top of all my success and other hobbies. Especially since modern working out is sooooo dull. I really don’t feel like wasting at least 2 hours daily to have a bland highly restricted diet and to do repetitive movements. Only to get a physique that will wane within 2 months of non activity. To return to the topic. Fitness is something forced upon us by the western culture. In Asian cultures women find ST…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:33 PM
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This is such a horrible take. It addresses nothing except to encourage impulsive behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:30 PM
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"Rarely make good partners" is a poor choice of words. I would say that whatever went on in people's childhood manifests in how they handle romantic relationships. Specifically because your family is your only point of reference how a family functions. You only know how your mom reacted in a heated argument with your dad. Was she throwing plates, yelling, running, hiding, trying to defuse the situation? How did they express love within household. How did they split responsibilities. My family is…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 04:23 PM
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You’re right. There’s nothing unique because this “toxic masculinity” has always been present. It will continue being present because there’s nothing to gain for men NOT exhibiting masculine behavior and it’s better to go into the toxic extreme than show less masculinity. This is not me or men deciding. This is women collectively voting for this by disproportionately rewarding toxic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 09:20 AM
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Except there’s an entire scientific branch that does just this. It’s called sociology?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 09:13 AM
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The worst part is that they’re actually punishing the men who enable them to have this position of power. It’s very noticeable how women will chomp your hand of if you actually try to interact from an equal position. They won’t do that to people like Andrew Tate though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 09:05 AM
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What I meant was that. Category 1 (fuckboys) could have Emma Watson ask them for marriage and they'll decline. Like Leo di Caprio - new girl every few years. There's just no way of tying them down. Category 2 (relationship guy) could have a street worker ask them for marriage and they'll actually consider it. Obviously it's not that black and white. Most men are in the gray area in between. having both If you're a side chick, that's just your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 10:59 PM
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With men it’s more internal. You have category 1, men who want to have sex and nothing more. Regardless of who she is. Category 2, men who want sex but also want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 01:09 PM
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I'm talking without a reference here. To me it feels that way to many relationships are defined by that initial feeling. Especially due to the amount of connections people today make before meeting someone they deem worthy. Just the amount of times people get dismissed because their first sentence didn't click with someone. I'm dating an amazing girl right now and I wouldn't have imagined myself with her after the first date. But I chose to keep talking to her and found more of what does attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 01:40 AM
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You missed two more attributes I mentioned as well. Looks just carry the highest weight and I can confidently say it’s the same for almost all men (and women). I’d still rather go for an average woman with a personality you’ve described than a super model with a shallow personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 11:20 PM
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Money isn’t the only currency. You seem to be heavily undervaluing attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 11:13 PM
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That would be ideal but not necessary. As much as one is able to. Sometimes it would be enough to just say "Hey, let's go ice skating." For example.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 11:00 PM
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You're misinterpreting me. I'm mad precisely because of that. Pleads for help from lonely men are being dismissed after society has disarmed them. Especially in favor of women. With this I'm not saying we should go back. Merely that women should make a step towards these men. Because you see, it's very difficult to feel loneliness while simultaneously paying for welfare of women who cannot make it on their own. There would be much less of that, if the women actually addressed this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 10:52 PM
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A female friend of mine made tinder after breaking up with her bf. She had more than a 1000 potential matches within a span of like 3 weeks. Barely had to lift a finger to get anything. She's great but at first sight she barely makes it into the average category (depends very much on preferences).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:55 PM
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We don't take care of each other only on a personal level but also on a societal level. If there's any danger, I'm expected to sacrifice myself. At the very least I'm expected to pay for social services that disproportionately benefit reckless women. Would be nice if women carry some societal responsiblity as well. Not only for my personal gain but theirs as well. For one personalities like Andrew Tate probably wouldn't be as popular, if there weren't hordes of lonely men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:02 PM
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That along with the freedom of choice that women get nowadays. Before she was the princess but daddy (or family) had to somewhat approve. Now she's still the princess but no control whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:44 PM
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This might only work for the top 1% (maybe top 5%) of men that actually get noticed without having to draw attention to themselves. If an average man bruises a woman's ego, she'll just go to the simps to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:39 PM
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Even 5'11 isn't enough. One time I was told by a 4'10 that I'm short.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:34 PM
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If you isolated three of the attributes: personality, looks and family-oriented. Personality would be the least important attribute to me and probably most men. Unfortunately. That doesn't mean that personality can't make a difference. The problem with personality is whether you're willing to share that and how do you share it. That seems very unclear to me and probably other men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:26 PM
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Do you have any male friends? What do they offer you? With friends expecations are usually quite clear. You enjoy each others company but it only works if both parties are investing somewhat equally. For example one round on me, on round on you. Same with romantic relationships or rather partnerships (since casual encounters aren't the same). Sure I enjoy the company of an intelligent woman over a dinner I'm paying for (as an example). However, can I expect from her to pay next time? Or make up …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:16 PM
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I actually posed this question on here last week. Specifically what do modern women even offer beyond a pretty face and sex. With modern Mainly I meant the promiscuous type that makes "I'm a strong independent woman" her religion. I got maybe like 2 decent answers out of 200 comments. Rest were just insults and attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 12:35 PM
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We shouldn’t be even using the term “nice guy”. It plants this stereotypical idea into our minds that all men who act nice and respectful towards a woman will eventually lash out when rejected. Some men just want to play the long game but get dismissed because of the “nice guy” stereotype. Also, context is very important with emotions. I got furious once (kept it in my head) but up until she rejected me she made it seem like it’s going amazing. I think my rage was justifies there. However, it’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 02:20 AM
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Lack of personal accountability for listening to women asking for more equality and respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:58 AM
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That’s a good take. I was falling apart and I’ve asked for help from a prospective romantic partner. She tore me apart even further. That was from someone who presented herself as one of the most humble people I’ve met. On the other hand, I see no shortage of women trying to fix men that they themselves would describe as “immature” when these men are really just irresponsible assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:39 PM
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You talk as if you’ve be through a lot of women. So if they’re so great why not stay with one? Also I specifically mean romantic relationships. I’m a good friend with a lot of women, have utmost respect for them and I know what they can offer as a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:25 PM
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But how does she show, especially early on, that she’s offering this?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:17 PM
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Prioritizes career over family, is repulsed by doing household chores and exhibits excessive masculine behavior under certain conditions. Before you misunderstand me. I’m not saying she has to be a baby factory, the house needs to be squeaky clean and a completely submissive wife. It’s just going into extremes that’s bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:15 PM
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Thank you for a wholesome reply. I think the only positive comment from the female perspective that I received. These are the qualities I would hope a woman has when meeting someone new. Especially the part where you showed early on that you can and are willing to contribute! In the capacity you’re able to. Showing your willingness tells me that you care and is usually enough for a good man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 11:48 AM
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You know why pickup artists exist and are successful? Because their life revolves around swindling women at their own game. How many times have you said “I’m fine” to a guy while expecting him to give you his full attention? This is just a simple example. Most times it’s much more complex. What he’s trying to say is that it would be easier for women to be less punishing towards average men. Maybe even help them understand and in the future get a genuine desired behaviour. Especially at the start…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:03 AM
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That's extremely shallow. Literally. There's more to Adam than just inflated muscle. There's also more to attraction than just physical looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:46 PM
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Average Anna is constantly being conditioned that getting plowed by studs is in her interest and will make her feel fulfilled in life. Specifically by posts like from this OP. The most common type I got matched with on Tinder with is the 30 year old average Anna who just got out of a long term relationship and now has no clue what she wants in life and is getting played by self-absorbed chads with inflated egos.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:33 PM
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You know how difficult it is to secure a 2nd or even a 3rd date? If you’re able to do that on a regular basis and you see it works, then why wouldn’t you continue? Why put all your eggs in a single basket when they break easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:03 PM
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I’ll tell you what some people have told me here. These women need to pick better men. Secondly. I, among many, wouldn’t define these as “modern”.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:56 PM
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Can I demand emotional support? I risk her leaving me at my weakest. I’ve had that happen to me. Can I demand from her to be more traditional? I’m sexist. Can I demand her submission? Makes me a jerk. I could demand splitting financial responsibilities. It’s not supposed to be a demand though because then I’m already altering her. It’s supposed to be an offering or a mutual agreement. I know that they can bring a lot. They just offer very little unless already well committed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:45 PM
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Obviously there are nuances to every person. However, talking about a generic man or a generic woman since that’s what I can expect when meeting someone new. What resources can I expect from a woman? Besides sex obviously. I could just pay for that. On the security part. Women highly undervalue that. Sure, I might not be beating someone up to protect her. Nowadays it’s more covert otherwise you wouldn’t have so many women complaining about being harassed or them having to make up imaginary men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:33 PM
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That’s the equality of modern women that bothers me. Yes women have jobs now, as many pointed out. What a surprise. At what point in a relationship do I find out, if it’s “our” money or I’m just an asset to her. Paying for food, housing, travel, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:24 PM
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Well ok then, female way of communicating. Which is more complex. At least to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:20 PM
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I thought that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:19 PM
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That’s a good one. The sad reality of this is that it encourages men to start trading up. I’ve actually heard advice to start with a below average looking woman to make it easier with average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:18 PM
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I portrayed it in an extreme for obvious reasons - I wanted a discussion from a challenging POV. What many missed is that I’m supposed to fully commit and then hope she’s someone who will actually improve my life as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:15 PM
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I did not want to make my post too long and messy. I left out that such women do compensate for their lack of looks. As do below average men. It just proves that women can have a more wholesome personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:07 PM
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Well I meant it more like. I offer 10 apples and 5 oranges. She offers 5 apples back. It would be nice to have maybe 1 banana. Because as many pointed out… hugs, cuddling. She’s getting a hug back.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:01 PM
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Yes!!! I don’t expect to be worshipped. But if I make a step towards the opposite gender, as in allow them to explore the more masculine side, one would expect that they would at least let it balance out. As you said, make it a team effort. Not that she uses me as an asset while offering nothing of substance back.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:53 PM
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Exactly! That’s what the point of my question was. It’s a sad reality of “modern” women, and women are aware of that. I know that relationship dynamics change over time. But at the beginning of a relationship I have no way of knowing, if I’m ever getting anything more than what you listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:46 PM
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Thank you for your diagnosis. Did you know that I can also get these from an escort?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:15 PM
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I agree with you. I am also aware that there’s a shit ton of men that offer absolutely nothing and (especially) modern women fall for it. With my particular question I wasn’t interested in knowing what such men offer. I know what I offer myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:13 PM
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I did not say “women roles”. I said “feminine roles”. We all do it, yes. But it’s something mainly associated with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:11 PM
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Hmmmmm, what group activities did our male ancestors participate in? I'm sure it wasn't knitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 11:15 PM
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Yeah, sure. A population of lonely sex-deprived men with nothing but time on their hand and lack of purpose. Sounds like a great idea. Seems to be working already with the rise of personalities like Andrew Tate. One more thing. Single life works for (most) women because attention and validation is just a right swipe or a glance away. Men not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 10:49 PM
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If you combine it all together, it simplifies into "I'm just working on myself". Whether it's a career, hobbies, travel, mental health, getting over someone... Hits women that much harder since the community has brainwashed them that they need to do everything themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:21 AM
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I've a lot of female friends and the stories I hear. Especially about their exes. Funnily enough whenever I've tried "communicating" with romantic prospects they would just shut me out after being asked "what's up with you?". They would take such a harsh and cold defensive position as if I'm about to attack their non-existent cubs (like when mothers defend their children). Like chill please. I just want to know what's going on... God forbid you even show a little emotional weakness because then …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:00 AM
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That's because they are willing to destroy anything or anyone around them to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 11:35 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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