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| 52 | Equity or equal victimhood? | discussion | drjamesincandenza | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 11:53 AM |
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| -9 | Misandry and anti-masculinity in queer and trans spacesPeople who think people who were born as women (whether trans or non-binary) are not men are not misandrist. This is to bleed the concept of misandry of all its meaning. Misandry is about men and if you don't think people born female can be men, that only makes you gender-ideology skeptical, not misandrist. The vast majority of people on the planet do not include people born female in the category of men, full stop. There are certainly some people who are anti-trans (in the sense that they don't… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/12/25 11:46 AM |
| -11 | White Women’s Abuse of Black Men (and Women) in Slavery Is Overlooked“Erasing” is such performative wokist crap it’s nauseating. If you are making a historiographic argument, that this is an area of history that hasn’t been sufficiently explored, have at it. But that is clearly not the implication here. You are saying: “Look at how bad women can also be.” In fact, I would argue that you are the one who is using the pain and enslavement of black men to make a puerile point about the relative evil of women. Unless you are deeply committed to the study of historiogr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/12/25 12:17 PM |
| -11 | White Women’s Abuse of Black Men (and Women) in Slavery Is OverlookedSo now this sub, instead of talking about how to lift men up from a leftist perspective, is just about. “women are assholes, too”? Wow, that’s disappointing. I mean, women are also assholes, but it doesn’t help our cause to point that out. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/12/25 10:02 AM |
| 7 | These users think it's okay to force or pressure men to do what they want sexually in the name of "equality"I disagree. Unless there’s an intention to involve that body part in sex play, asking to see your partner’s intimate areas is super fucking weird. Imagine if you said to your GF, “I want to contemplate your pussy. Drop trou.”. She’d rightly tell you to sod off. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/25 11:53 AM |
| 0 | How Is "Women And Children" Not Misandrist?A sane post in what is becoming an increasingly misogynist space. Thanks for this. We need to be angry with the right people: feminists are sometimes wrong, but their project is a good one, in the same way that a lot of MRAs end up being reactionary tools. I feel like the thing that is missing from so many online debates is the understanding that most people want to be right and do the right thing. So imputing bad motives never helps. It’s the system that is fucking us, not women or feminists. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/10/25 11:36 AM |
| 2 | UPDATE: “The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Western Gender Politics”Some stylistic and practical suggestions from a philosophy PhD: * More, shorter paragraphs * Don’t try to sound smart. Unless there isn’t a better way of saying it, use simple languages and short sentences. * Use a style/grammar checker like grammarly: phrases like “To put it in no unclear terms” and “ Now, let us tackle a phenomenon that greatly nuances the matter, and which may otherwise, as often it does, escape our consideration- the intersectionality of it all” should never appear in print.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/25 10:12 AM |
| 2 | Some Examples of Toxic FemininityThat assumes that all gender norms are bad. Couldn't some of them have developed in a culturally evolutionary way that has just outlived its usefulness for some people? Some people quite enjoy defaulting to their gender stereotypes, and there's nothing unfair about that as long as they choose it. I'm saying we should have the choice to accept or reject gender roles without having to worry about social ostracism or pushback, no matter if we go against stereotypes or with them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/09/25 11:38 PM |
| 0 | What are your thoughts on this?Some non-reading motherfuckers on this sub, apparently. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/09/25 10:00 PM |
| 1 | What are your thoughts on this?Also—do you have a reference for this accusation of advocating for “literal genocide”? He was a POS, but I think actual genocide advocacy would have been on the original list, no? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/09/25 09:44 AM |
| 4 | What are your thoughts on this?Our morals, not his. His lack of a moral compass doesn’t relieve us of the responsibility of having one. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/25 11:46 PM |
| -4 | What are your thoughts on this?I didn’t suggest that we should. Read the words I wrote, not what you imagine someone would write. We don’t have to feel sorry for Charlie Kirk—just don’t dance on his grave. For both moral and pragmatic reasons. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/25 11:28 PM |
| -15 | What are your thoughts on this?Only one of these comes even close to inciting violence—but doesn’t. One excuses violence, but that’s what you are doing and I don’t think you’d advocate for someone shooting you in the neck. We on the left need to seriously turn down the rhetoric. Yes, those assholes on the right are using this as a way of making the left look like loons—they have a special talent for that. We can’t give them the ammunition because they will use it. Also, it’s stupid to excuse violence. If there is not direct, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/25 07:45 PM |
| 8 | Traditionalistic misandry on The TelegraphHow does being pro-Israel have anything to do with either of these (admittedly right-wing) organizations' stance on anything other than their stance on the Gaza tragedy? Unless we're going to go down the ideological rabbit hole of intersectionality (which doesn't work for anyone, really, because it holds everyone hostage to whomever tops the oppression pyramid), we need to learn to disaggregate issues and people. The right have learned this; they'll have anyone who agrees with them on any topic … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/25 09:45 AM |
| 6 | What theory have you read?It's important to point out that Critical Theory and being a left-winger are totally and entirely independent of each other. See this article: https://uncommondiscourses.substack.com/p/critical-theory-is-destroying-the? There is a Marxist and Post-Marxist left (the Critical Theory Left, of which Freire is obviously a representative), as well as a non-Marxist left (often most represented by social democrats and democratic socialists.) The primary difference is that one is ideological (CT) and the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/25 07:39 PM |
| 9 | the philosophical work and pro male and pro transgender advocacy stuff i do is central to my life and it seems to be going nowhere and is increasingly seeming pointless and i need help.I think we should avoid making the mistake of intersectional feminism where every issue becomes a male rights issue. What we see in a lot of Pomo feminist circles is a widening array of issues that are not used to increase support for feminism, but to exclude people for having differing ideas about the other issues. Does one need to be anti-colonial to be a feminist? I’d think not, and insisting that everyone needs to be decreases support among people who would otherwise be enthusiastic supporte… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/08/25 08:48 AM |
| -23 | What is this sub's opinion on gender segregation in general?But...c'mon. The threat of violence (especially sexual violence) against men is much lower than the risk women face. We are stronger than they are and *every* *woman* *I* *know* *well* has been victim to bona fide sexual assault. In the same way we spend more money to defend from actual threats to computer systems than ones that never happen, it's 100% reasonable for women to treat men as a threat until they have reason to think otherwise. However! It is not reasonable for women to blame all men… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/08/25 11:18 AM |
| 24 | There is not enough talk about women using religion against men, and it is very prominent in hyper religious communitiesThis is one of the best posts I've ever seen on reddit in 13 years here. You are exactly right. There is a history of women using religion to "pacify" men in new settlements. The US "Wild" West and South African mining colonies went through the same process. Men were the first to carve the community out of blood, sweat, and tears, and had some pretty wild communities. Lots of prostitution, alcoholism, and violence. There were no churches in early settler communities. But once the women came, the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/25 10:43 AM |
| 1 | Equity or equal victimhood?Where did I say this is the biggest issue? It’s an issue, and you’re free to ignore it, but you’ll get nowhere, either rhetorically or practically. “Men are treated like subhuman scum” is as unhinged a claim as “men are sexual predators”. E(x) != A(x) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/25 04:42 PM |
| 1 | Equity or equal victimhood?This isn't an argument. This is just "I don't agree" with no reasoning behind it. That's just trolling-trolling. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/07/25 06:52 PM |
| 1 | Equity or equal victimhood?Again, we agree entirely. One of the few useful contributions of postmodernism is an understanding of the importance of context. The context of my original post is that I have been noticing a self-pitying aspect in many different discourses lately. It's not that there aren't social and external factors that need to be considered in analyzing men's issues. Rather, I don't think the oppressed/oppressor dichotomy is a particularly useful way for anyone to approach the world, but it's least useful f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/06/25 02:46 PM |
| 1 | Equity or equal victimhood?"I agree that assigning people and voices worth based on their perceived victimhood is a dead end." Then we agree 100% in substance. My comment about it being attractive is a subjective opinion, and I was merely pointing it out because no one, whether men, women, or children, is more attractive when they are caught in self-pity. I mention it because if you center the victimhood of men because pomo philosophy makes victimhood a precondition for the right to speak, don't also complain you're not g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/25 08:16 PM |
| 0 | Equity or equal victimhood?Why? I’m not a woman and my perspective is the same for them as it is for men. I’m just trying to keep men from making the same mistake because, fair or not, men are judged more harshly for playing the victim. I personally ran as far away from any woman who acted the victim; the rare times I didn’t, I came to regret it. We all have more agency than critical theory tells us. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/25 09:09 PM |
| 1 | Equity or equal victimhood?I wouldn't not make that argument; it's broadly coherent with what I'm saying, which is that any perspective that doesn't take into account multiple modes of analysis is going to give distorted and generally (in the case of politics) unfair outcomes. Marxism: class-only analysis. Feminism: gender/sex-only analysis. Critical race theory...you get the idea. Because each of these presupposes its conclusion (the rich are always bad, the men are always bad, the whites...etc.), it's this fact that alw… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/25 03:58 PM |
| 1 | Equity or equal victimhood?"And ultimately, changing such legal discrimination is a matter of changing enough people's minds that it has an impact on political platforms and voting behaviors." Agreed. And what I'm arguing is that it's ineffective to do that with a comparative victimhood narrative. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/25 11:45 AM |
| 0 | Equity or equal victimhood?So, social democrats and democratic socialists are tradcon right-wingers now? I would argue that the left is defined by its response to capital (pro/con) as opposed to a class-based/class-exclusive analysis. My problem with Marxist analysis is the same as those of the pomo left: they are totalizing and admit for no other factors. They assume their methodology is not only correct but totally correct. In the same way intersectional feminism assumes all men are the oppressors and then shockingly go… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/25 09:08 AM |
| 1 | Equity or equal victimhood?Both can be (and are) true. My point was "victimhood is neither an attractive pose nor the result of careful reasoning. One can be victimized without seeing oneself primarily as a victim, which is what critical theory leads to." It's both a social criticism and a theoretical one. When I see so many men on Reddit complaining how hard it is to form relationships with women, and yet I see those same men whining about that, I want to suggest that maybe they need to not agree to the assumptions of in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 09:41 PM |
| 4 | Equity or equal victimhood?I'm saying that critical theory is the set of ideas that leads to the oppression Olympics, especially through intersectionality. It's possible to stop that train before it leaves the station by rejecting the assumptions of critical theory (e.g., all knowledge is socially constructed and reason is a tool of oppression). Once you've done that, you put the emphasis back on empirical, material reality, and you don't even have to try to prove how oppressed you are compared to other groups. If you can… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 09:25 PM |
| -2 | Equity or equal victimhood?And this is just trolling-trolling. There's no argument here, except one based on the word "victim". Claiming victimhood is a part of a larger analysis of men's problems that is not only incorrect, but pathetic as well. One can be a victim without buying into the victimhood narrative, which is the point I'm trying to make and which you've completely missed, apparently. I hold a doctorate in philosophy, so "epistemological" is a term I use frequently. Sorry if this is so far outside your experien… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 09:17 PM |
| 2 | Equity or equal victimhood?Agree. But critical theory basically says, "everything is oppression." Now, let's find the evidence for that without any methodological guardrails. It's unfalsifiable because it *assumes* oppression rather than proving it. There are types of analysis that look to analyze persistent structural problems that create inequalities that are entirely separate from (and superior to) Theory. Systems Theory, for example. My point is that Critical Theory provides us with the narrative of the hierarchy of o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 09:10 PM |
| 1 | Equity or equal victimhood?This is a fair criticism. Here's how'd I'd answer it: The difference between classical liberals and left-liberals is taking the economic power of capital seriously. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, the only entities large enough to inflict large-scale violence on people were governments. As power began to aggregate in capitalist firms and projects, the left emerged as a range of different responses to this development. While classical liberals put their fingers in their ears, the left spanned… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 07:19 PM |
| 3 | Equity or equal victimhood?No, I'm saying "oppression" and "unfairness" are different ways of approaching the same phenomenon. "Everything is oppression and we're oppressed, too!" is a less fightable battle than "unfairness can be demonstrated empirically". In critical theory, everything is assumed to be oppressive, and evidence is gathered post hoc. In empiricism, we look at the world to determine phenomena that are fair, unfair, or neutral. It's a huge epistemological perspective shift. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 07:04 PM |
| 2 | Equity or equal victimhood?I'm arguing for rejecting the entire edifice of critical theory and taking an empirical, non-victimhood approach to fainness. There is a way in which this can be seen as just a change in perspective, but the value of rejecting the entire philosophical project of critical theory cannot be overstated. We can show that men are treated unfairly by using empirical facts and not buying into the "hierarchy of oppression" that is propagated by critical theory-influenced intersectional feminists. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 06:02 PM |
| 5 | Equity or equal victimhood?You are correct that there is a double-bind here, but there are two ways out of it. 1) Reject the postmodernist, applied critical theory perspective on, well, everything. We don't raise awareness of men's issues by trying to play in the oppression Olympics. That is a game we cannot win, and, more importantly, the entire philosophy is incoherent. Victimology is just one part of the applied critical theory world view, and I think we have more success if we reject the worldview rather than arguing … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 05:57 PM |
| 3 | Equity or equal victimhood?Oooh, that sounds interesting. Going to put this on my reading list. As Reinhold Niebuhr pointed out, anyone who gets power is likely to use it for their own ends. You certainly see that in the victimhood discourses. They claim to be against hierarchies, but they often end up with a different hierarchy —one based on victimhood rather than truth, value, or utility. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 05:45 PM |
| 1 | Equity or equal victimhood?My only citation is anecdotal...60 years of living on the planet with a fairly successful life. It depends on what your aims are. Are you looking to win arguments with pomo feminists whose entire discourse is built on a broken epistemology (critical theory) and a flawed ethics (victimology)? I'm not sure why you would want to try to win a game where the rules mean you can never win. We are the oppressors in the victimhood Olympics. But that is a lie. Their entire philosophy is wrong, all the way… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 05:41 PM |
| 2 | Equity or equal victimhood?Dude, I feel this in my soul. My mother was the same way and she died as soon as there wasn't anyone to save her anymore. Taking responsibility for oneself is one of the most healing and freeing things we can do for ourselves. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 05:19 PM |
| 8 | Equity or equal victimhood?I assure you, no AI was used in my original post. I’m a PhD philosopher, so I know how to write (though there are plenty of us who don’t, see: Judith Butler). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 02:17 PM |
| 1 | Thoughts on this more nuanced definition of patriarchy?It's unclear to me why we need to include trans women in this definition. Almost 0% of trans women pass as biological women, so the treatment that they get can be partitioned into its own kind of oppression. A huge part of patriarchy (I would argue, in the West, most of it) is historical, and the prevalence of trans women historically is basically nil. So I would argue that any definition of patriarchy could easily exclude trans women because they are, for all reality-based purposes, men. On the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/06/25 04:15 PM |
| 1 | Is Slut shaming purely hatred for Male sexuality?Not that small. Something like 20% of people will experiment with nonmonogamy of one form or another. I don't have a promiscuous past: I have a promiscuous present, which is a team sport with my wife. We have been together almost two decades; we pair bond just fine, we just don't think sex defines the relationship. Which, historically, has been true of men, which is where this concern with female chastity comes from. Insecurity. Men were always allowed to be promiscuous but women weren't. Guys l… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/05/25 01:14 PM |
| 2 | Idk how to feel about gender AbolitionIt doesn't work. One's body is always organized to one pathway or the other, regardless of what you strap on to it or inject into it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/05/25 11:13 PM |
| 0 | Is Slut shaming purely hatred for Male sexuality?"Studies show" is pointless without references. I don't let woke people get away with claiming an anti-trans genocide without references and since you're depending on "studies" for your proof, you should be able to reference them (like I did in my comment). "Red flags" are not a research concept. This whole thing just reads as ex post facto justification for being sex negative. There are a thousand possible confounding variables here, not the least of which is judgmentalism by people like you. I… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/05/25 10:35 PM |
| 1 | Is Slut shaming purely hatred for Male sexuality?Your inclusion of BPD and alcoholism is telling. What if she was just a normal person who enjoyed fucking and novelty? If you assume being sexually atypical is pathological (as you have), of course, it's going to seem pathological. What if we normalized people having whatever sex they wanted and not judging them for it? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/05/25 08:45 PM |
| 1 | Is Slut shaming purely hatred for Male sexuality?I disdain your disdain. Why do you care about what other people do with their bodies? I can tell you as a long-time libertine, that one could (though I don't) consider your perspective merely an expression of repressive sexuality. Some of my best days have been spent fucking my friends. Swingers (like me and my wife) have higher sexual satisfaction and lower propensity for divorce than monogamous people (Fernandez, 2008). It's honesty and openness that make for a good, stable relationship, not y… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/05/25 08:41 PM |
| 1 | If You Think Men Don’t Face Systemic Sexism, Then You’re Not Paying Attention (Updated Version)“ The key here is that even though trans women are women, transphobes dont consider them women, they consider them 'men in dresses' and thus deserving of violence” —I don’t understand the logic here. I’m gender-critical, but I don’t think any oerson in the GC community thinks trans women deserve violence (or any kind of oppression). Just because you don’t believe someone’s claims about their “gender identity” are true doesn’t think you mean they are less deserving of rights and protections. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/25 10:37 PM |
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