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drkstrs/r/MGTOW05/07/15 06:16 PM
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Livin' The Lifestyledrkstrs/r/MGTOW19/11/15 05:09 PM
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drkstrs/r/MGTOW04/05/15 05:22 PM
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drkstrs/r/MGTOW18/05/15 04:23 AM
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Yes if I had the option "just to marry" and someone else will earn all the money as a social expectation I wouldn't give that up either. Especially now that I actually could also just choose to work. No one likes to give up privileges, just add more.
/r/MGTOW30/11/15 07:09 AM
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When my belief in romanticism went out the door so did my attraction. What I thought was real wasn't real, and what is real isn't attractive.
/r/MGTOW30/11/15 07:04 AM
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The raised nail gets hammered down. Yes that is what socializing is about. If you want to live in all your weird wonderful glory you must find out how to get away from people. It takes finances to do it right. Pay your dues, then gtfo! You can socialize anytime but solitude is your base.
/r/MGTOW29/11/15 02:39 AM
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People love being slaves and cutting down others who rebel. Therefore you must seek solitude with freedom. Otherwise, you get cut down.
/r/MGTOW21/11/15 06:01 PM
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Living alone is now the most common thing. http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/fyi-guy-are-you-living-alone-youre-not-alone/
/r/MGTOW19/11/15 04:58 PM
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They are no longer the prize. How long until that becomes mainstream knowledge?
/r/MGTOW11/11/15 06:33 AM
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This is funny stuff. As usual they believe they are the hot stuff and the guys are so sub. Where is that guy who will do absolutely anything for me, is rich and conventionally handsome as well as fulfills my spreadsheet of qualifications!
/r/MGTOW11/11/15 06:27 AM
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That article was funny. I am glad he thinks he is a man, I thought I was read about a total tool! Even if you believe you have to be a provider, not figuring out how to do it on a normal schedule is unimpressive.
/r/MGTOW07/11/15 04:32 AM
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If that's the case, why would you want to "go your own way"? It seems like you would be living what most guys dream of. Which part of my above reasoning doesn't fit your experiences? You hit the nail on the head. What most guys dream of is not at all what I dreamed of. I never wanted to submit to a woman's program, in fact I found it abhorrent to think of supporting them, trying to win their affection, only to become a provider for them and their children if I "qualify". It always seemed like no…
/r/MGTOW02/11/15 10:24 PM
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The fruits of the sexual revolution are a lot of women chasing orgasms, then looking for beta bux in their late 20s, early thirties. By that time there is no pair bonding anymore. The whole thing for most of them is to get resources and breed. I'm done with it. Without the early pair bond, the whole thing fell apart for me. No going back.
/r/MGTOW24/10/15 12:52 AM
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What do you tell the decent girls (7-8's) who are looking for a decent guy (7-8)? I tell them to look elsewhere :) "Decent" usually means he subscribes to her program and self image delusions.
/r/MGTOW22/10/15 10:26 PM
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Oh, and love is just an institution based on human frailty What's your paradise gotta do with Adam and Eve? Maybe love is just an economy based on resource scarcity What I fail to see is what that's gotta do with you and me". Credit: Father John Misty, track "Holy Shit"
/r/MGTOW22/10/15 09:58 PM
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I used to like programming but I got tired of it, and tired of the hype and grinding schedule. One too many corporate snow jobs. One too many lame ass CEO speeches from god's gift to tech. Fuck it, let someone else do this shit and listen to these self important people. I want to do stuff with my hands, make things. And keep my own schedule.
/r/MGTOW12/10/15 05:20 AM
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It's like any other vice. A little to a moderate amount is good or at least normal, more than that repeatedly is not good. Same with food, alcohol, many other things which if you do too much the result is bad.
/r/TheRedPill07/10/15 02:20 AM
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You aren't alone, many of us have had women cheat and drag us through the mud. It takes courage to walk away. But if you don't realize the person you are dealing with is likely to do it again and only worry if she is caught.
/r/TheRedPill06/10/15 02:07 AM
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Honestly it seems like a big deal now but later you will be free and other women will still be willing as long as you are a basically likeable and honest human being. I would ditch her with a shrug of the shoulders if you can.
/r/TheRedPill06/10/15 02:03 AM
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It's worthless, actually. I can see thousands per hour, and my imagination is more convincing than the real thing.
/r/MGTOW06/10/15 01:56 AM
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I just did a trip to Europe AND upgraded my turntable. I find both to have been highly worthwhile. :)
/r/MGTOW06/10/15 01:49 AM
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Women pretty much openly brag about being promiscuous these days, riding the carousel is liberation, or something. I just wished I was taught this about them when I was young. Instead I was taught that women are virtuous and men would need to withhold our undesirable tendencies. It would have made it easy to see their actual value in relationship, which is usually zero. They treat men like whores, but they don't pay us.
/r/TheRedPill17/07/15 04:40 AM
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No kidding this and "White Wedding" shows Billy knew a thing or two.
/r/MGTOW15/07/15 11:10 PM
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Some mistakes shield you from even bigger errors. I was with some terrible women, but the end result was being able to end those relationships, and ditch the blue pill delusions of women as special snowflakes. I am free today because of past mistakes that taught me enough to avoid the really big errors, like having kids I don't want and putting up with cheating, drug addiction or non self sufficiency in women.
/r/MGTOW15/07/15 11:02 PM
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I think you have covered your bases pretty well. On the basis you describe, I would probably be willing to enter relationship. MGTOW does not preclude LTR, just encourages you too think about it realistically, which it seems you have. There is risk no matter what you do, the level here seems acceptable.
/r/MGTOW15/07/15 04:26 AM
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Great article. Lots of food for thought. I thought to respond to this part, because to me it's close to the core of MGTOW: The accomplishments and symbols required to overcome fear of insignificance can’t be achieved in isolation. It is the acknowledgment of others towards your achievements that proves your worth. In other words, a man requires other men to assert his value and to alleviate his anxiety. Without a mirror man has no reflection or sense of self. So clever systems were put in place …
/r/MGTOW15/07/15 03:31 AM
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Ha. I've rejected many.
/r/MGTOW15/07/15 02:21 AM
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I would argue that it makes them ordinary, not special. That is what most people want though, to fit in. This is why I live in the city, because there is no penalty for being a nonconformist, as long as you can afford to live here.
/r/MGTOW14/07/15 01:17 AM
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Better not to argue with him. Let him believe he's so great, meanwhile you get to do what you actually want. It's true we don't recognize the hierarchy of these men, even find it to be the butt of jokes, but it generally enrages them when they realize you aren't gynocentric, and that instead of weakening you, it makes you free. Too much for them to handle.
/r/MGTOW14/07/15 01:11 AM
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Love comes from the inside out. It has nothing to do with external validation. There is no lasting outside love like romanticism promised. The lasting love is inside out, sourced from the spark of God inside you. Love that, then the rest is natural. You can't lose it, you always had it, but you forgot!
/r/MGTOW13/07/15 05:25 AM
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No offense but it wasn't better a hundred years ago, there was even more ignorance, violence, bigotry and outright lies than today. It's that culture that spawned this one.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/15 04:17 AM
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I'm not a fan of third world countries because they view you like gringo moneybags. My home in the states you can get anything you want nearby and close to a lot of world class culture. I might visit Thailand or Costa Rica etc but I will not live there long term, also the tropics get oppressive after a while.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/15 04:12 AM
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Spend time with your friend, stay with him as he struggles with this and he may come out the other end away from this gold digging princess. If he has no outside support he will crumble back to her.
/r/MGTOW10/07/15 02:54 PM
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I can create and learn things, and composite them in my own style and at my own speed and this brings me satisfaction. Worthless or not I don't care. I view it as play, and enjoy the digressions. The universe may be immoral, if so I gladly stand in opposition to it, I impose my own morality on the limited sphere I exist in. It is enough, barely.
/r/MGTOW07/07/15 06:03 PM
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You can actually experience eros love or similar through extreme sports as well. I had the same Euphoria after climbing high mountains and living on Alpine walls for instance. I hear the same from big wave surfers. That is why those dangerous activities are so compelling and addictive.
/r/TheRedPill05/07/15 07:45 PM
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I hate to tell you but there is nothing behind the curtain. Not worth impressing in the first place. All the projections of how special you are and she is. All basically empty. MGTOW
/r/TheRedPill04/07/15 08:16 AM
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The deal is this. I have the goods so I don't need your deal.
/r/MGTOW03/07/15 08:45 AM
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GOP is not in favor of limited government What they want is no oversights of the parts of the government they favor. There is a huge difference. And I'm not saying Liberals are substantially different, but please drop the blinders. They are masters of bait and switch and the PR campaign. Take for instance the all inclusive military and Pentagon black hole filled with bloated payouts and no bid contracts to corrupt contractors and giant abusers of public money like Oracle. Oracle can take 240 mil…
/r/MGTOW02/07/15 04:43 PM
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I am in favor of those things, yet I don't find what you just said to be any more true of either side.
/r/MGTOW02/07/15 04:38 PM
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Good post, but realize that once you truly go your own way you pretty much cease to care about external validation. Saying someone is a loser or a winner is external validation/condemnation. If I sit on the couch eating Cheetos for 5 years and in the sixth year I write a brilliant novel...I mean who really cares. Do what you want. I don't care what they think. I have done mediocre work and been paid handsomely for it. I have done great work and been later laid off. I mean who really fucking care…
/r/MGTOW02/07/15 12:22 AM
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dig deeper. TRP is not focused on your well being as much as you might think. it is still "solutions" that reinforce gynocentrism most of the time. it is "gaming" gynocentrism maybe but still too often enforcing that paradigm. MGTOW is not patriarchy, but perhaps "androcentrism" might be the term. MGTOWs will not suggest you "improve yourself" in order to be attractive to women's standards, but only to benefit your own standards.
/r/MGTOW28/06/15 12:05 AM
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I agree the low quality types you describe are abundant. I'm not MGTOW oriented though because of scarcity of so called higher quality women, at least not directly. I probably could have been snared younger in that case simply by the "two can be stronger than one" idea. But primarily because I have no interest in the normal social program. My ideal world would be one of voluntarily dwindling population, where men are devoted to things that interest them, a world being overrun again by nature. No…
/r/MGTOW27/06/15 10:00 PM
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I think monk mode is a natural outcome for many men going their own way. This is not because they can't get laid, it's an evolutionary step stemming from abundance mentality combined with conservation of energy and peace of mind. Thinking goes.. I could get laid but I have been there done that, I am rich in money, time, or both. I have paired my life down to what actually makes me tick and discarded the rest.
/r/MGTOW27/06/15 04:10 PM
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Some places like the SF Bay area, statistically you are going to end up with an asian if you are dating. They are the majority there, so it is simple demographics. They are also successful and generally fit and capable compared to the competition. This article doesn't care, it's a hate piece.
/r/MGTOW26/06/15 12:05 AM
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Yes, if they are attractive and still out there at that age it means they are on the cc. They may tell another story, but once you get to know them the truth of their behavior and inability or simply no desire to commit comes out. I have no problem with this since I am not blue pill. Just recognize it and act accordingly. I am not looking for a mate and won't support them emotionally or financially. If that is understood and they still are interested I will hang with them no strings attached fro…
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 11:46 PM
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The real reason is that aren't "awesome" as they describe themselves repeatedly. They are conceited, self centered and egotistical. If they would even look inside a little bit to understand that they are actually dreadfully boring and average despite their careers, they would have success.
/r/MGTOW24/06/15 06:51 PM
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Disgusting. Not satire. Racism, thinly veiled.
/r/MGTOW24/06/15 04:54 AM
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"Can I get that icon in cornflower blue?"
/r/MGTOW23/06/15 12:16 AM
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The entire excerpt is just garbage and actually just sounds like gynocentrism and justifying his need for female validation. Too many lies to bother refuting. Freedom is slavery. We have always been at war with EastAsia. Edit: MGTOW is the future, these beggars are stuck the past.
/r/MGTOW22/06/15 10:32 PM
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My friends are people I do things with, that's about it. They are activity partners first and foremost. Good friends allow you to develop and get better at what you enjoy. You can explore and work on things together, and ruminate on life and process.
/r/MGTOW22/06/15 12:02 PM
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Sadly it's just as often white knights doing this.
/r/MGTOW17/06/15 07:00 PM
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I think they can be equal in most things because physical labor is now no longer a requirement for most people. This levels the field. Women can think just as well as men if they overcome the immense baggage of their past privileged passive roles and are no longer coddled, worshipped, protected or afforded victim status. It also means men must stop rewarding them based on sex appeal alone. The massive industry of female sex appeal should be devalued. Of course they will do anything they can to t…
/r/MGTOW17/06/15 06:33 PM
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This post has to be a troll
/r/MGTOW17/06/15 06:04 PM
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Oh, what choices. A really bad liberal and SJW hypocrite with a track record of being wrong like Hillary or the "party of stupid" Tradcons on the Right who a signifigant portion would endorse "Jesus riding dionsaur" coloring books in schools. http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/bloguploads/coloring-book-jesus.jpg I really know it's hard to choose. I think I won't. Personally, I can't stand either of party. I will probably choose between Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders if I must.
/r/MGTOW17/06/15 12:35 AM
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Watch the old bar bar stuff on YouTube. This more recent video is also excellent The rapacious female void: https://youtu.be/K12-p0m-gxk
/r/MGTOW14/06/15 04:45 PM
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We're not bragging, but we know that men will always want us and we usually have the choice whether to couple or not, especially if we're good-looking. Until about 29 or so only. Afterwards, the ball is in the guys court...
/r/MGTOW14/06/15 04:24 AM
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There is actually no value in a woman for merely existing. This is the brainwashing. MGTOW should know better than to accept this. There is nothing behind the curtain! They don't have any value intrinsically. Men created nearly everything of value in art and culture. With over 7 billion people, women are now facing even the loss of their reproductive value. They are collectively in a panic to attempt to show they actually can have other value. Unfortunately this involves too much suffering to de…
/r/MGTOW14/06/15 01:19 AM
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It's not refusing to play it is total disinterest in it. If I thought the outcome was worth it, I would play and win. I lack nothing other men possess other than desire for the same outcome. I have plenty of money (more than most men raising families) and while I'm not Don Juan I could more than suffice. I just don't value what they value. I don't want children, I don't want a dependent, I don't need them for sex. I prefer male companionship to female, and I find the whole premise of what is cul…
/r/MGTOW14/06/15 01:04 AM
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It sounds like your standards are low. The expectation of women sexually is that they need to do nothing except exist and not get massively obese, while you had better prove yourself able to please in every way. If you expect equal return on effort, devotion and aiming to please you will find the odds considerably lower and that women of quality are almost unicorns.
/r/MGTOW13/06/15 10:54 PM
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Ha, you could "have quality" for them if you just had money. But then, now that you know this there is no reason to care. If you acquire money then are you actually a better person? No. You "have value" just for having money. The whole dynamic is flawed. Go your own way, live by your own values is actually a higher standard of value.
/r/MGTOW13/06/15 07:04 AM
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This is exactly why the blue pill remains so powerful. The myth drives it. The reality is that this kind of relationship is actually mythical and has no real earthly counterpart. It is a misplaced divine love. The only people that seem to get this are those that set up the ideas of monasticism, where in some forms you become the "bride of christ" or something similar for other religions.
/r/MGTOW11/06/15 03:46 PM
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I am introverted but I like socializing. It just drains me of energy so I have to do it sparingly. I used to think I didn't like people but really it was just that most are shallow and do the same boring things, living the same boring lives focused on status and consumerism. I found I fit in with some activity based communities and have built a reasonably healthy social life starting from that basis.
/r/MGTOW09/06/15 10:03 PM
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Hobby farm. 3-5 acres. Mostly focused on bee keeping. I also really enjoy growing gardens and fruit trees. I could literally spend all my time doing this, and reading and chilling in the down time. Why despair when our options are unlimited? That is a failure of imagination.
/r/MGTOW09/06/15 09:36 PM
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Excellent response. Thanks for such a nuanced reply.
/r/MGTOW07/06/15 08:57 PM
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Make new friends. Don't discriminate based on age. My male friends range from 26 to 71 in age. They share one thing in common. They are all currently living life for themselves. I even have a couple married friends. But they are not the keeping up with the Jones social media obsessed types. Another thing best done alone IMO is international travel. Grab a pack and go see the world, do it low budget hostel style. When you get back the world of your married friends will seem so small you will laug…
/r/MGTOW06/06/15 07:10 PM
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Pick a few destinations and goals, but not too many for your travels. Allow some unstructured time, some rest time and have a basic idea of what you will do at the end of three months.
/r/MGTOW05/06/15 03:08 PM
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I agree with you on the expression of anger, it is such a subtle effect that few notice it. It applies to other decisive actions and emotions as well. I find that I am less likely to stand up for myself in general when fapped out. I'll just put up with this dead end job etc.... We need more honest evaluation of the subtle differences like this. As a man who isn't interested in attracting women or not, or whether or not I could perform in that context, what matters to me are the longterm and subt…
/r/MGTOW04/06/15 08:07 PM
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I've found that there is a large tangible benefit to not masturbating. I have greater energy, and ability to engage with life. The single greatest temptation that causes me to fall back into it occasionally is high stress. It can easily blank out all other concerns for as long as I edge. With porn, there is really no limit to the stimulation, it rivals any drug. I don't want to say I'll never do it but I'd usually rather keep the energy and learn to better deal with high stress. It takes me seve…
/r/MGTOW04/06/15 07:17 PM
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I belong to a large athletic club that meets once a week and socializes enmasse at local pubs afterwards. They also plan lots of other activities and I am frequently involved. I have several friendships that rotate around this axis as I am one of the most devoted members. I also go to lots of concerts, frequently alone, at small venues in the city in which I live. I usually prefer going alone because I focus intently on the music and am not there to socialize. I have discovered many amazing band…
/r/MGTOW04/06/15 06:47 PM
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I dropped fb about 9 months ago and haven't missed it. It's an addictive freedom killer.
/r/MGTOW02/06/15 07:19 PM
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You must learn to deal with the complexity of your own mind. Jobs, women, society all tell you what to do and keep the ordinary man from needing to reflect on anything. This simplicity is comforting, but shallow. Once you go your own way its you who must set the focus and quell your own demons. The rewards are endless and worth the challenge. One thing to be aware of if you aren't already is that the world is still full of mystery. Even now. Even in this "age of information". 90% of Tikal is sti…
/r/MGTOW02/06/15 06:30 AM
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And if ends up sleeping with a couple of them, that's OK too. After all, hubby wasn't being man enough. lol.
/r/MGTOW02/06/15 12:11 AM
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Tradcon gynocentrism lol. No way I will ever be interested in that nonsense.
/r/MGTOW01/06/15 11:29 PM
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MGTOW is about quitting and no one likes a quitter. Wrong on both counts. Unless you mean quitting doing what others want us to do. I'm too busy doing what I want to care what they like.
/r/MGTOW01/06/15 05:05 AM
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I thought we were supposed to be animals. Product of an immoral evolution process. Atomic particles that have grouped together in a particular form. The theory on this changes quite often. I think this is still a primitive belief.
/r/MGTOW28/05/15 11:04 PM
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Good story. Similar thing happened to me in my 20s. Hot girl who became a drug addict, cheated, blah blah same old story. Funny how we always want to believe it meant something. She OD'd one day (long after we were no longer together) and that was that. If only I had known then what I know now. .. I wouldn't give her a second look..
/r/MGTOW28/05/15 07:30 PM
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tell them marriage rates are plummeting and they are on the wrong side of the emerging trend
/r/MGTOW28/05/15 07:18 AM
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More or less. My personal philosophy tends Taoism. I read on my own and have gravitated to the Tao Te Ching and the IChing. However contributing to this viewpoint just as much is the introspection time I have spent considering the nature of addiction, habit, and conditioned responses. We can change our conditioned responses, even deeply ingrained ones, even ones based in repressed instincts, over time if we are aware of them. This is shown in a lot of behavioral psychology studies. Basically hab…
/r/MGTOW25/05/15 05:03 PM
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Good luck. Your knowledge of how it really is is a hard road. Ignorance is bliss... so they say, anyway.
/r/MGTOW25/05/15 06:46 AM
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Eventually there is no need to repress anything. By retraining yourself not to fantasize sexually and no avoid sexual cues and masturbation the body eventually just starts reabsorbing the energy. In the back of my mind I know if someone truly worthy came along I could reawaken it, but I am in no way seeking it. Our culture is set up to prevent men from ever reaching this state. We don't actually need sex.
/r/MGTOW24/05/15 10:19 PM
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MRAs probably want them to change. Most of MGTOW believe it is irrelevant, the realization of "going your own way" releases others from expectations once independence is achieved. In fact it is a call out that one really isn't MGTOW if one says something to the effect that they would change back if only some conditions were different.
/r/MGTOW24/05/15 04:34 AM
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When a man really realizes its all smoke and mirrors out there, if you really lose all belief, the results are unpredictable. You'll be upset probably in whatever proportion you were invested in the fraud. For me it was like shedding a skin. It hurt like hell but the man I am now is far closer to my ideals than the man I was before.
/r/MGTOW24/05/15 04:16 AM
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Find at least a friend or two. They will be of help when you need it. You don't need to spend a lot of time with them but let it be quality time. This will enable you to continue your creative journey.
/r/MGTOW24/05/15 03:47 AM
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I like it. Embracing the pain and suffering enables transformation. I don't need Christianity(neither do I reject it) for this very realization is central to Alchemy. The dross in the crucible burns off. It is an illusion.
/r/MGTOW22/05/15 05:51 AM
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I really don't care about masculinity or femininity simply because I live for myself. I value independence because it's a measure for me of how much I can ignore the opinions of others (unless I find them worth considering) and not be subject to their will. There's something in me that when I get a probing gaze that gives off a strong vibe of "whatever your opinion of me is you are entitled to it, but it in no way really concerns me whether it be positive or negative".
/r/MGTOW22/05/15 03:00 AM
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Diogenes famously said. 'If only I could also rub my belly to relieve my hunger. "
/r/MGTOW22/05/15 02:40 AM
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If we all had unlimited time, there were no issues with disease and desire was more or less equally distributed (no 80/20) and also nothing better to do, monogamy would be a farce. As it is, I can't imagine wanting to put my time into having multiple partners. This is why the poly people come off as nuts to me. I can't imagine the hassle being worth it. Yes some rich people live lives of hedonistic debauchery but I don't see anything admirable about that. Its like any compulsion. If it runs itse…
/r/MGTOW20/05/15 02:13 PM
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Well that's basically an OK strategy and a realistic expectation.
/r/MGTOW18/05/15 02:42 AM
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I wouldn't worry about it. You are coming off as oversensitive by constantly posting a question why someone is bothered by what you said. Accept that some of your posts and ideas are unpopular and let it go. If no one ever down votes you, then you are just towing the line.
/r/MGTOW18/05/15 02:36 AM
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If all the bros in the military were knowledgeable about MGTOW, they would not in any way offer extra help to a female soldier that they would not offer to a guy. In effect, they need to see the female as just another human. If there are relaxed standards, or any caving in to anything other than the real mission, then it's a failure. I say, let them in, but learn to treat them as roughly as any man. If they can't handle it, eject them with contempt.
/r/MGTOW16/05/15 10:14 PM
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awesome post, truth
/r/MGTOW16/05/15 10:02 PM
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wgtows do exist, but are even rarer than nawalts. Credit has to be given to women who pull this off, who go against their own nature and sex enough to pull this off. Not an opinion about the linked sub.
/r/MGTOW16/05/15 04:50 PM
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"Wear the inner garment of the mystic and the outer garment of the law" ~Joseph Campbell
/r/MGTOW16/05/15 04:17 PM
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Oh it doesn't matter to me if they change or not. It's me who stopped caring. Whatever they do is up to them, as long as I can stay out of it! I think if men replace women sexually in sufficient numbers they will start caring though. But we are far from even an equilibrium let alone equal balance yet. But for some men, it has already happened and I think this shallow article marks a beginning of this being noticed.
/r/MGTOW12/05/15 08:42 PM
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Classic monkey branching. She'll tell the same story to the next guy...and the guy after that as the carousel goes round and round!
/r/TheRedPill12/05/15 04:54 PM
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With women I often just admit responsibility when they begin to go on a tirade. The funny thing is that they actually HATE this. They don't actually care about being right or wrong. They just want to take a dump on you and if you cut them short they don't get their fix. It doesn't matter if I lie and know I wasn't really at fault, because she never cared about that in the first place. They want to get to you. If you admit fault without it getting to you, it deflates them. It goes like this. I ju…
/r/TheRedPill12/05/15 04:44 PM
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My social life has been cyclical. I've gone from lots of activity to nearly none and in between many times. It no longer concerns me either way.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/15 04:34 PM
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Great post. I would add ridiculously easy access to high quality drugs. Wine, beer, pubs of ridiculous quality in most major cities. All that now and high grade legal marijuana in Oregon and Washington. We are literally surrounded by instant gratification of pretty much all desires. What are we when we lack for no stimulation? Then lack of stimulation becomes the goal. I spend most of my time alone because everything is at arms reach. Is this the reward for success? Because I do have money. Succ…
/r/TheRedPill12/05/15 04:22 PM
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Sometimes the way to solve a problem is to stop thinking about it. At least half my problems aren't even real, but are the result of me obsessing about something. Another strategy is to find out what exactly you fear the most about the problem, and then mentally accept the worst case scenario and then visualize yourself moving past that.
/r/MGTOW12/05/15 03:49 PM
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This is an RP post. MGTOW probably is past these types of women. That said it's sound rp knowledge. I've known this exact type of woman. Everytime I see the one I'm thinking of she's just come off another round on the cc. She's always like "we almost had a thing didn't we?". But she doesn't mean it. And I bet she says that to all of them when she's in town. She's never stopped as long as I've known her The emotional roller coaster and drama becomes a running joke. I look at her and think "you're…
/r/MGTOW12/05/15 02:49 AM
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Yes I do want to reprogram it. They can wear robotic mech suits maybe? Whatever. They may not be good yet at fighting but I'll be damned if our purpose is to perpetuate their helplessness at male expense.
/r/MGTOW12/05/15 02:19 AM
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Seriously I get why you are complaining but why don't you guys post some good content if you don't like the content here. I'll admit I've been too lazy to do much either.
/r/MGTOW12/05/15 02:11 AM
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This idea of alpha is only one kind of power. I have no desire to pursue it because it implies external validation. I already have the power I need and I didn't change myself. Just because you can impress people doesn't mean you should. It obligates you to maintain a power relationship wherein you are seen as "impressive". This maintenance takes power and time, and has diminishing returns. I'd rather not be seen at all, or be seen only in the moment of some genuine action, and otherwise do my ow…
/r/MGTOW11/05/15 08:54 PM
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I have friends who lived in Saudi for a long time working in oil of course. They pretty much corroborated nearly everything the OP has been saying. The women there have the men "by the balls". The stereotypes we westerners have were created to feed the machine and set off support for bogus reactionary politics. This post is a dose of truth for us all.
/r/MGTOW11/05/15 02:54 AM
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Do something you are proud of and self loathing vanishes. It does not have to be anything big. Consistently do things that are achievable that you actually value. If you value the validation of others more than yourself you'll probably never be happy. I value myself more than anyone else. I don't care what they did or accomplished. Fuck it I just don't care what anyone does in any absolute sense even if the world adores them. You invented the cure for cancer? Well I just made the world's best cu…
/r/TheRedPill07/05/15 04:45 PM
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For fun some times I check out craigslist wfm and mfw pwrsonal ad numbers. Yes I know nobody sane uses it prefer Tinder etc but generally it is about 80 20 ratio male to female. Anecdotal evidence.
/r/TheRedPill07/05/15 04:33 PM
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Exactly. Let's see, I can enjoy myself in a million ways for free or waste time "gaming" some vapid chick? Yes I know I will "succeed" eventually at getting the girl especially if I use RP techniques but it's still not worth it.
/r/TheRedPill07/05/15 04:31 PM
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You also didn't have internet porn during the baby boom. How many of the 80% have simply decided what's free online is good enough?
/r/TheRedPill07/05/15 04:24 PM
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Why bother? If its that hard for you MGTOW probably isn't for you. If its not natural to you but you just can't manage women just go back to RP and realign what you really want with what you actually attract.
/r/MGTOW07/05/15 04:50 AM
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I would quit a 195k job if it sucked. Only 1 life and my time is my own.
/r/TheRedPill06/05/15 02:26 AM
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I think you have to realize that you will have to give up going on your own trajectory to a larger degree than you realize for this. Your idea is probably obtainable, but involves a lot of risk and compromise. --much more than seems apparent by the allure of additional income. That said, if you understand this, and it still seems acceptable then go for it. Life involves some risks.
/r/MGTOW04/05/15 05:38 PM
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Most women want access to your resources, then to direct the usage of those resources to what they value, then to direct your further actions to support what they value (usually reproduction), and finally, they want to advertise their status thus obtained to others via social media and social gatherings to build their self image. Notice you can't even get in the door with a good number of them unless you already have said resources. Most won't be there to support you on your way to success, only…
/r/MGTOW04/05/15 05:27 PM
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I recommend celibacy and retraining the mind thereby redirecting the impulse. If you refuse the fruit of the serpent (ie outward expression and sudden draining of your sexuality), it bites its own tail --becoming the ouroboros. I recommend training the mind to think symbolically.
/r/MGTOW04/05/15 03:39 PM
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Because they think women are romantics. Sadly this is actually a projection and is mostly only true of men and not women.
/r/MGTOW04/05/15 04:03 AM
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I have seen women function quite well in STEM jobs including in leadership positions. They absolutely can do good work. I'm not sure why you think the only thing that makes them happy is child rearing, but it just isn't true. I would say it's true for many, maybe even most but not all. That's like saying all men want to be fathers. AWALT to me is the recognition that all women share behavioral characteristics that blue pill men ignore or can't see due to cultural brainwashing. AWALT to me has no…
/r/MGTOW01/05/15 09:45 PM
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Chappelle is a genius not just funny but many of his videos show the man is a nuanced thinker with an always on bullshit detector.
/r/MGTOW01/05/15 07:28 PM
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You have to admit if men were able to get women to "be providers" just for being preeningly self obsessed many would do it. My answer is give them nothing! Not an ounce of validation or agreement for such behavior.
/r/MGTOW30/04/15 03:43 PM
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I think you are getting downvotes because its generally not believed here that any form of feminism actually encourages egalitarianism free of privilege and perpetual victim hood. If its because you believe in egalitarian basis for conduct then only tradcons should disagree completely. Tradcon though, as bar bar and others have discussed is just another form of gynocentrism and I think it has no place in MGTOW. I have no interest in traditional gender roles no matter what the concessions might b…
/r/MGTOW29/04/15 08:10 PM
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Generally speaking, they usually think MGTOW is about inability to attract women or form relationships when it's actually about realizing that because our values and their expectations don't match, we find it a losing proposition.
/r/MGTOW29/04/15 06:50 PM
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Yes the article says women have more jobs and more are getting degrees than men but they still act as if this wasn't so. I find their behavior to be stuck in a remnant of the prior power dynamic between men and women that simply no longer applies. I still find that most women act towards me with the expectation that my outlook is blue pill, that with the flutter of an eyelash I should fall in line. It doesn't happen and I observe usually two reactions. They start ignoring me out of confusion, or…
/r/MGTOW29/04/15 06:23 PM
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Every relationship I've been in its either been about equal desire or they want it more than me. This is part of why I've never been that impressed with women's so called sex appeal.
/r/MGTOW29/04/15 05:45 AM
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Good points, I agree.
/r/MGTOW29/04/15 05:40 AM
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Good work!
/r/MGTOW29/04/15 05:36 AM
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We don't need so much oil anymore. Proof: the Saudis are right now flooding the market with cheap oil because the writing is already on the wall and they are trying desperately to keep up reliance a bit longer. Its already trivial most places to design net energy zero buildings. The US oil production has been increasing while demand is falling. Alternatives are already good enough. The real reason for war is because the military industrial complex profits and justifies its own bloated existence …
/r/MGTOW27/04/15 03:32 PM
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Most of these things are only true of some places in America. It's a big place and you can choose to live in areas where very little of this applies.
/r/MGTOW27/04/15 03:28 PM
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All of my relationships pass this test and have for at least the last decade. Women who are seeking validation seem to automatically avoid me now as I will only associate with them if we share a common interest and they have evolved enough to know how to interact without validation.
/r/MGTOW27/04/15 03:19 PM
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I practice my arts. Tend my garden and my bees. Meet with friends who aren't on the rat raceway to maintain some non interfering social connections.
/r/MGTOW27/04/15 03:14 PM
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The final straw was several women I knew for many years who had all the same opportunities as me blaming their mid life failures on men and not even specific men. Failing to recognize that equal opportunity doesn't equal success. Then watching their social media feeds clogging up with "privilege" discussions and "99 things men should do for women" bs when they themselves were some of the most privileged people anywhere .
/r/MGTOW23/04/15 09:42 PM
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Real strength stays hidden. Otherwise you get used. Simple, ancient wisdom.
/r/TheRedPill23/04/15 12:01 AM
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Thanks for clarifying. Good luck.
/r/MGTOW22/04/15 07:04 AM
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You are probably mistaking men complaining about bad behavior to be hate. The sub actually usually self moderates pretty well on that front and encourages people to get past anger while allowing them to vent.
/r/MGTOW22/04/15 01:42 AM
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I have not, it was merely an analogy...although I was in a relationship once with a junkie so I've seen it first hand. A lot of things are better highs than orgasms. I get off more from a good day of snowboarding or climbing. Long ago realized sex can't actually compete with other highs both natural and drug induced. If inducing orgasms is the only goal, "real" sex isn't that reliably great either.
/r/MGTOW22/04/15 12:25 AM
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The problem seems to be that the old definitions of male and female don't really hold up because they are based on norms that no one is following anymore. You can't just be a "good man" or a "good woman" based on some 1950's idea anymore and expect anything whatsoever in return or reward from society for conforming to gender norms. It's still a bit of a weak excuse I think though for intentionally confusing biological gender. I had this very same argument with some friends of mine about a male a…
/r/MGTOW21/04/15 11:18 PM
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Where as most men, successful or not, desire a woman. To a man, a woman is some form of success. It shows you can take care of two people and handle the responsibilities that come along with it. It gives your life a bit of meaning besides working and "spoiling yourself". If a man doesn't have a woman, he must be poor, selfish, dysfunctional in someway, or a homosexual in the closet. Or at least that's what society portrays. This viewpoint is from our cultural brainwashing. I'm going to go out on…
/r/MGTOW21/04/15 03:13 PM
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I'd rather just have a cat or dog.
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 10:11 PM
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I think you are right. Madonna part? I never met one of those. Ever.
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 10:05 PM
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You'd be surprised how much of this goes out the window in most relationships after a few years. A lot of those attractive ambitious girls put on lots of pounds and start to coast. Of course that will never happen to me, one thinks....
/r/MGTOW20/04/15 05:02 AM
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I'm guessing there actually a lot of rich MGTOW in places like SF,NYC,LA. I'm not rich but I am fairly well off and only minimalist in certain ways. I worked a moderately high paying job for about a decade (software job). I own my home outright and even have a small amount of passive income. I hate being noticed and I prefer to be seen in public as occupying a lower social class than I can afford. I do enjoy the subversion of hierarchy which I am performing by refusing to participate in the expe…
/r/MGTOW19/04/15 09:46 PM
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I lost interest in women once I realized that even if you win you still lose. Because life with most women is all about you following their program. Have the huge fantasy wedding, buy them the house, the car, fit in with their circle of friends, pop out kids and pay for them too. Pose for cheesey social media validation. Endure the nagging and loss of your own friends, hobbies and dreams if they differ from hers. I mean this whole scenario is hell to me. Even if she ends up being sane and respon…
/r/MGTOW18/04/15 11:36 PM
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If I had my 20s to do over again I wouldn't waste a single dime or ounce of emotional energy and thought on women. I would devote 100℅ of my energy to my own life and goals. Literally doing nothing would have been better than pissing money, time, energy and emotion down that rabbit hole.
/r/MGTOW18/04/15 09:13 PM
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I don't eat much meat because good meat is very expensive. I refuse to eat factory farmed hormone and antibiotic loaded meat which is the default unless you pay the premiums.
/r/MGTOW18/04/15 09:07 PM
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Its because of male disposability. If you dump her or vice versa she's with her backup guy (also disposable) in a week's time. Most younger women absolutely can't endure solitude. It always amazed me how a girl gives you apparently all of her and is now with "Jack" doing it all over again next week. Yeah, if you think you are special, think again ...
/r/MGTOW18/04/15 08:57 PM
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Most women you can't just talk to them. Its like they live in this alternate reality where if they are young everything going on is actually subtext. If you talk to them straight on they get really uncomfortable if you aren't playing to their game. If they are older it's all driven by biology (ie kids) and hypergamy. It's just as awful. There are some women who I can actually be friends with similar to a guy but it's vanishingly small number and they are generally not as fun as guys for activity…
/r/MGTOW18/04/15 08:45 PM
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It's not possible. AWALT is like once you learn about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
/r/MGTOW18/04/15 08:34 PM
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I agree anger needs to be released and especially the damaging idea some have about getting some sort of revenge based on their withdrawal. However, MGTOW is one of the only places where men can actually process abuse they have suffered at the hands of women. Almost anywhere else it leads to ridicule from people who refuse to accept that women can be abusive. This community accepts that the ideals of feminism have deep and damaging structural problems and omissions even when they are well intent…
/r/MGTOW17/04/15 07:03 PM
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My sisters scored men who paid their way. Hard to see them surviving on their own. My oldest brothers life was destroyed by a series of parasitic women however I do believe he just wasn't able to see why this kept happening to him and I don't just blame the women. If we don't learn from our mistakes this is what happens. My mom was more of a passive feminist and deeply and dysfunctionally religious. I was raised to believe the pedestal fairy tale and that men (or, literally Satan) were responsib…
/r/MGTOW17/04/15 04:16 PM
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One thing I've noticed in many of the world's spiritual traditions the idea of celibacy and devotion to a higher power go hand and hand. What I've come to believe is that this isn't about deprivation but concentration of power. You need tremendous creative power to ascend to higher states of consciousness and to truly internalize the rewards of freedom. The more you concentrate it, the more appealing it gets to the opposite sex. This is because sexually speaking women usually just drain men of p…
/r/MGTOW16/04/15 04:46 PM
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For the record I don't think you deserve the downvotes. I really don't care about how many women you have or had or how big your dick is or what some women prefer. I'm going my own way and prefer solitude most of the time. Poly sounds like pure hell to me because I find dealing with most women non professionally to be unpleasant but to each his own. I've often thought polygamy as well or any system that claims having multiple wives or male partners at once as some sort of prize is patently insan…
/r/MGTOW16/04/15 04:20 PM
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they care not for you because you are replaceable to them. There are far more blue pill scum to go around and satisfy the wants of every woman who asks, so why would they be upset if this one guy doesn't want them anymore? They won't be, there is always another poor sap who will bow down to the pussy and donate all of his money and time to that meaningless cause. You feeling unworthy for women is a joke, women use many tactics to make you feel inadequate in a number of ways, and they simply don'…
/r/MGTOW16/04/15 04:06 PM
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Just to add to your post besides AWALT another trap is to think you are somehow special and have good intentions etc that other men don't and thus you will find NAWALT. This simply isn't true and leads to creation of the "nice guy".
/r/MGTOW16/04/15 03:48 PM
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It's nature, so you can't call it either in my opinion. A lot of people attach concepts to it but the fact is it originates in instinct.
/r/MGTOW15/04/15 02:38 PM
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Frank Zappa — 'Government is the Entertainment division of the military- industrial complex.' Perhaps the best thing we could do is abolish political parties altogether. I want a checklist of the issues that concern me and who best represents that. I'm done with the liberal vs conservative name calling. I don't care about party affiliations just what their positions are on actual issues. Imagine if the politicians didn't adulterate themselves by having to ally with the prevailing two bad choices…
/r/MGTOW14/04/15 06:39 PM
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We're too late, if anything this
/r/MGTOW14/04/15 05:57 PM
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MGTOW to me is simply correct thinking. In my ideal world people would put their own personal development and freedom front and center and not often enter binding commitments or marriages that prioritize reproduction. They would pursue adventure, spiritual development, advancement of human thought and art, and adopt a much more broad based outlook and generosity not based in a western family unit which seems to have become poisoned for many people. And even if not doing any if this, reprogrammin…
/r/MGTOW14/04/15 05:53 PM
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Social media controls you and everyone on it. Don't kid yourself, rid yourself.
/r/MGTOW13/04/15 11:15 PM
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MGTOW properly has nothing to do with hating. There's a phase where you get angry about your own blindness and how that enabled you to be manipulated though for many. The proper focus should be on yourself and how not to allow that to happen anymore. The realization does tend to end romanticism though.
/r/MGTOW11/04/15 07:08 PM
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You could always just pretend you don't see them as well... then check!!!! This behavior bothers me in both men and women.
/r/MGTOW09/04/15 06:59 PM
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Says the man who advocates against degrading yourself. All I'm hearing is "I am a resource, doing my duty of contributing to society". You know what the best two words for a man to describe himself are? Intelligent, and happy. It means his life is full of value and that he is capable of protecting and achieving his values.Such a man will work hard when it is in his interest, but he will not work hard when it is against his interest. Describing yourself primarily as hard-working and responsible m…
/r/MGTOW09/04/15 05:36 PM
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I'm late to the discussion just wanted to add there is a point when helping others becomes more of a priority, and that is when you have achieved the lion's share of your personal ambitions. Myself, I am 95% there already. I have material luxury, free time, and have more entertainment and intellectual options than I know what to do with. One of the only things that motivates me to move outside of my own sphere of reality is occasionally contributing to more selfless causes and sharing some parts…
/r/MGTOW09/04/15 03:41 PM
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Amazing post. You summarize many thoughts I've had but never put into words. If you wrote a book I would read it.
/r/MGTOW09/04/15 03:10 PM
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Your ability to socially and politically navigate the real world solely depends on other people. This viewpoint has always been half wrong and in the modern era, is very, very wrong. It's old-fashioned. Yes, it used to be the case that your reputation determined your ability to support yourself. The work I do today is almost completely anonymous. My income is much, much more dependent on what I actually do than what people think of me. You nailed it! This has been my thought and modus operandi f…
/r/MGTOW09/04/15 03:01 PM
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Well I think everybody looks better with long hair, men included. I don't care what people do with their hair. This is up to them. I think its ridiculous to judge them based on their hair.
/r/MGTOW27/03/15 09:46 PM
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I believe it does, but that this is probably positive. I don't want my reward circuit wired to women.
/r/MGTOW27/03/15 02:14 PM
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Work is the only place I believe somewhat in social media, and then only something like LinkedIn. Do what you want on your own time, but at work you should be following a code of conduct that emphasizes fairness and professionalism. You should have people who will vouch for that after a few years in your field. Other social media (fb etc). I have no time for that stuff.
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 04:58 AM
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I have decided to never identify with a political party. Ask me about an issue and I will give you my stance. Anyone who starts spouting lib or con about everything is brainwashed.
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 04:50 AM
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I would tell myself to stop believing in the idea of a soul mate or "the one". That crippling delusion plagued me well into my thirties.
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 04:31 AM
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I think you are basically right. All you need though is a few groups of people you interact with based on hobbies, sports, or shared interests. Anyone can obtain this thru something like meetup.com despite social anxiety.
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 04:00 AM
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Well you should still be able to relate to women as fellow human beings, just stop idealizing them. I like to think of most people as sleepwalking. The shattering of the bluepill illusion is a huge psychological shift that should eventually give you more access to life and your dreams, not less. Once you get thru the shock and anger of it all, that is.
/r/MGTOW27/03/15 03:47 AM
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The only thing you are missing is contentment. Stop. You have everything you need already. Other people can't provide it, you simply need to change your own mind, which might be the hardest thing.
/r/TheRedPill26/03/15 09:34 PM
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Corporations are also lame masters. Follow your own path.
/r/MGTOW24/03/15 12:24 AM
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You can if you have enough money or got in at the right time on property. Otherwise, I agree.
/r/MGTOW23/03/15 07:42 PM
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Non self reliant people are obsolete, unless they are actually children. Beggars can't be choosers, if you enable them to be at your expense, be careful they aren't just going to buy another beer with your free lunch money. Cut your own way thru the jungle, lend a helping hand, but learn to recognize someone who's trying to stand versus those who just want to drag you down. Equality is grabbing your tools and getting to work. Coast anytime you want, on your own power. Ceaseless activity isn't th…
/r/MGTOW23/03/15 06:56 PM
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lol so true. I've heard this from girls and then a few months later they have already slept with several more guys. Gimme a break. You are looking for the one...and then the NEXT one and so forth maybe....
/r/TheRedPill18/03/15 02:05 AM
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One last thing is don't make financial success your highest yardstick. Make your ability to rise from the ashes your greatest success. Make your dreams aside from money take at least equal precedence. As Joseph Campbell said "follow money and if you lose it you will have nothing. ". You should be able to lose everything material and rise again from the ashes. Your sense of self worth and value needs to be built from the inside out, not the outside in. This is true power.
/r/TheRedPill18/03/15 01:50 AM
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The best revenge is living well AND being yourself. Being able to say "this is the real me". I faced obstacles, assholes, twists and turns but despite this, overall, "I did it my way". Conformity only until you can blow well past the sad mediocrity of the small minded masses.
/r/TheRedPill18/03/15 01:43 AM
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Yeah it's not like just being awesome is good enough. Then you still have to deal with all the losers haters and the envious. You have to learn to "speak softly and carry a big stick". Know when to pull your hood up and appear normal even when you are a fucking ninja. In fact, stealth must always be a part of true power. Appear normal and non threatening. When the time comes to demonstrate power due it efficiently concisely and without pretense.
/r/TheRedPill18/03/15 01:36 AM
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Heh, that's how I feel about being in most other people's presence. I'm 100% fine with being alone. If I am in your presence it's either business or its a gift of time thru friendship or a mutual interest.
/r/MGTOW18/03/15 01:25 AM
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omg this. and please no more low life posts about getting "revenge" just because you didn't know then what you know now...
/r/MGTOW18/03/15 01:21 AM
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I'm considering more and more trying out ghosting. The more I've withdrawn from conventional society the less it appeals to me. Lately I've felt like the years have all dropped away. 13 years working in cubicles. A couple years remote. Now I'm not currently working, just coasting on the excess. Sure I made money and gained some worldly status but it all seems like a pissing match to me now. In a way I feel like a kid again. I feel completely my own, no more illusions or romantic fantasies. Ironi…
/r/MGTOW17/03/15 05:31 PM
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Sorry, but I don't buy into the celibate life credo, as I feel it runs contrary to the most basic instincts of being male. I think it's extremely rare that a man can live in a complete vacuum wherein they will not have some sexual interaction I couldn't sell it if I tried. It's just how I am and what I arrived at. I keep all my sexual energy and it doesn't want to leave me for another. To me giving it away would not benefit me and I do not need what women have in that regard anymore. I don't wan…
/r/MGTOW17/03/15 06:50 AM
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I feel like I was used. I take responsibility for it, I know better now.
/r/MGTOW17/03/15 06:40 AM
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MGTOW might want to consider that real liberation is not needing sex at all. After all, then since it has no claim on you, you are liberated from it. Pretty much every system teaches that liberation come from knowing your inner being, not going on some sex binge.
/r/MGTOW16/03/15 03:38 PM
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The things people confuse for liberation are pretty funny. Sorry lady but hooking up with a bunch of people isn't it. Otherwise every guy who goes on some Thai sex vacation would come back a sage. I've met some of these bay area people claiming to be healers and yogis. What I saw despite some good intentions was a lot of vanity and narcissistic tendencies. Its like sure.. if we go to your drum circle take some psychedelics and listen to you spout bullshit from the latest self help book life will…
/r/MGTOW16/03/15 03:23 PM
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Great point. In the past we used to talk straight. We used to have to butcher our own meat, so to speak. These romantic delusions don't really serve us.
/r/TheRedPill16/03/15 05:54 AM
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Once you see thru the illusions the sad fact is that most women are parasites. They take more than they give but we are biologically programmed to accept this. Our odds are low at finding mates who actually contribute at least 50% to the relationship and finances or even want to.
/r/TheRedPill16/03/15 05:46 AM
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Yes we all felt like that. It's nature's cruel trick. You believe only you feel this way, but actually its common. Women use it to their advantage. We are the strong ones, but only once we know that this isn't real. It's nature trying to propagate the species. It's at our expense, and no longer relevant in a world of over 7 billion people. So here now, we take the red pill. We have to change because the world has changed. We aren't animals living in tribes anymore. We are becoming something else…
/r/TheRedPill16/03/15 05:33 AM
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I couldn't care less about their evolutionary reasons for being horrible. 7 billion people is enough. Other considerations are now in play. We aren't now what we once were.
/r/TheRedPill16/03/15 05:26 AM
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Sorry I mean free as in I don't want women at all anymore. Sex is free because I am fine with just being celibate and occasionally masturbation mostly just for relaxation. I have slept with women I don't think it transferred any value to me or from them. I don't want children. So I think celibacy is the best for me.
/r/MGTOW16/03/15 04:48 AM
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This seems to me to the natural outcome of the ridiculous and insulting "rape culture" meme. It's more shame and blame game. I view it as another attempt to extract unearned resources from unsuspecting males. It basically exploits the young males sex drive and innate desire to please. I feel bad for young guys. It was ridiculous when I was in college. We men are fairly simple, women have an expensive biological agenda to serve (this often after they've had their fun at your expense), but more an…
/r/MGTOW16/03/15 01:07 AM
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I think I want to join this Patriarchy thing. Where do I sign up? To me it feels like we live in feudalism. Serfs to our corporate overlords.
/r/MGTOW16/03/15 12:31 AM
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I guess knowing any kind of female nature will ruin relationship haha so true. If guys knew how they really are compared to how they are fantasized about the whole thing goes up in smoke for 90% of relationships. Infatuation chemicals have been sold as "true love". Once that stuff wears off and the 5 other ex boyfriends make themselves known it should be getting obvious mother nature is again, only concerned about the next generation. The thing is, we have been too successful as a species alread…
/r/MGTOW15/03/15 11:18 PM
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I think there is a lot of wisdom there but its been corrupted. I grew up Catholic it was awful. Three priests later removed as child molesters. People make those books justify whatever they want. Plus, I just don't really believe that Jesus is the one true god or any of that. That said, there is some wisdom on human nature in the Bible. Myself, I prefer Hermeticism as my basic outlook on life.
/r/MGTOW15/03/15 07:32 PM
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Great response. I respect your point of view. I simply don't need it at that level I guess. The free stuff that's out there is enough for me.
/r/MGTOW15/03/15 02:39 PM
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the funny thing is my dad used to be religious and pro marriage. his deadbeat stepdaughters have made him change his tune. it's pretty scary out there. women want what they want, you are just an accessory to that for most of them. they have a script they are following and it involves you doing what they want or else
/r/MGTOW15/03/15 04:03 AM
2

I agree. Once you have all of it (whatever that means to a person varies) you should realize no woman has any power unless she can get there herself through hard work. Their allure isn't very alluring when you clearly have surpassed in and of yourself what you already know she will settle for. True indifference also means no desire for any kind of childish payback scheme. You may be in jeans and a tee shirt and she's dressed up to play a game you're not even playing, because you already won and …
/r/MGTOW14/03/15 04:09 PM
1

Every time I think of paying for sex I cringe at even the idea. Why would I pay for something I can satisfy myself for free? Why would I want to deal with skanky people in some sort of stupid monkey dance just to get off? I certainly will also not pay for a robot either. Why would I waste my time at all? There is no gain. I might as well throw away money and time.
/r/MGTOW14/03/15 03:57 PM
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It is legal in Oregon and Washington now. I don't recommend more than occasional use and then only if you enjoy it. Some kinds make you wooly headed, others don't so much. Either way there is no benefit to being continually high. If you are going to smoke it should be an occasional luxury and just like alcohol more is not better. Be moderate.
/r/MGTOW14/03/15 03:42 PM
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I don't need MGTOW as a label, for I will do as I please regardless of what it means or does not mean. What I like is the sounding board the forums provide, a place to speak freely about how the viewpoint of "going your own way" illuminates society and relationships.
/r/MGTOW14/03/15 03:36 PM
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The men are just as manipulated, it's just another form of gynocentrism. In that society women can't even provide for themselves, but they still run things behind the scenes. Not a desirable alternative.
/r/MGTOW14/03/15 03:30 PM
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Go ahead and heed ancient warnings if you want but let's face it. If we are going to make progress we need women onboard. Men need to wake up and not fall for their no longer relevant biological instincts. If women didn't attract men the human race wouldn't have continued. Their power isn't some intrinsically evil thing, unless you think nature itself is evil. Many Christians do consider nature the realm of the devil but I think this idea is bad, because it creates a callousness to the natural w…
/r/MGTOW14/03/15 03:26 PM
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The pursuit of ridiculous amounts of wealth or women at the expense of personal time and creativity was never worth it. This is the real subtext to me. MGTOW might be rich or not based on circumstances, ambition for such or whatnot, but either way can be fulfilled simply by not channeling energy to bad relationships and conserving power for his own ends. We never needed most of the stuff or the storyline they are selling.
/r/MGTOW13/03/15 05:03 AM
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Nothing is necessary except to change your own mind, the rest are luxuries. Imagination is free. Diogenes said about sex ~ "I wish I could also just rub my belly to alleviate my hunger".
/r/MGTOW12/03/15 08:33 PM
1

true words, there is no amount of success that changes the basic facts of mgtow.
/r/MGTOW12/03/15 04:33 PM
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dude if your own story isn't enough to convince you of the truth of mgtow I don't know what is. do you realize many of us have similar stories? awalt. start seeing it for what it is. a manipulative trap. it doesn't matter what she looks like or makes you feel. traps.
/r/MGTOW12/03/15 04:29 PM
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he's concerned because of economic reasons, ie, not getting married does not feed the machine. I don't care about the machine.
/r/MGTOW12/03/15 04:23 PM
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I don't look at random women. It seems to make them confused. Futzing with their hair, side long glances sometimes. Why does this guy not even see me? This is the corollary. If you practice not noticing, you will notice when they notice you instead. Don't give random women validation by overtly noticing them. It's part of the pedestal problem.
/r/MGTOW11/03/15 08:13 PM
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I don't do any of that and don't crave women at all. I cultivate my male friendships and groups I'm in. I don't have any desire to make MGTOW known either. To me MGTOW is like a secret power. I don't need what others value and I'm doing what I want to do without the prevailing delusions getting in my way. Life is so much easier and more fulfilling! All the bs posted here lately about petty revenge is loser terrain. I don't I think can respect anyone acting like that in real life.
/r/MGTOW11/03/15 08:00 PM
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But in our culture a man is still nothing without a woman. If you don't lose your virginity in your teens or at least somewhere in your twenties then you're a total loser and why do you even continue living? You better get a girlfriend or a wife or at least an active sex life or else you're not a man. I used to believe this lie and indeed many boys and 20s men do but it's simply false. It's like some sort of reality distortion field. I recommend finding out what sex is about so you realize that …
/r/MGTOW08/03/15 11:51 PM
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I backpacked around Europe and South America for two years after I graduated. I held some odd jobs to make it possible and even did some busking in Europe. I had almost no money. It was fantastic anyway. It was not all sunshine and roses, travel can be an ordeal. I don't know what you should do, but travel is a good choice until you figure it out. :) I ended up getting a tech job afterwards and made a career in software. I didn't suffer for having been a wanderer it made it easier to figure out …
/r/MGTOW07/03/15 01:00 PM
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I like your approach but it's not a sign you crave women. You might just crave some stress relief for example and then to take a nap :)
/r/MGTOW06/03/15 09:16 AM
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I like the book of Pook, despite not agreeing with everything. Worth a read, thanks Pook! Having digested my prior misconceptions, I still find the reality of what most women expect to be unpleasant, even if it makes sense in the context of history and culture and biology etc. Hence MGTOW which for me is "I get it" but now say "no thanks" anyway. No points for prior ignorance. No revenge fantasies. Grow up now, son.
/r/MGTOW06/03/15 03:41 AM
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I was an idiot about female nature. So do I now deserve revenge? No. The best I deserve is two pats on the head. Poor sap, now you know better...
/r/MGTOW06/03/15 03:27 AM
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I agree in principal, but in reality I've had enough. It's not worth my time.
/r/MGTOW06/03/15 03:10 AM
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Ok you are right I'm not sorry if you are ashamed. Edited. Thanks lol.
/r/MGTOW06/03/15 02:21 AM
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The only part I took issue with and see as a warning sign is the revenge idea. I can't accept that. Not only that I think it's a justified entry point to mockery. Let them go for heavens sake. Don't implicate yourself this way or regret will follow. This idea is a chink in your armor, so to speak.
/r/MGTOW06/03/15 12:57 AM
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It's stupid to take revenge on people or think you are just because they hold different values. Anger is justified, but face it women don't care about MGTOW. Might as well take a red pill on that one too. Yeah maybe they will care if MGTOW becomes large but it isn't right now. Go your own way because its best for you not for some phony revenge fantasy. Remain blameless and go your own way. "Revenge" is nothing more than a tempting psychological crutch.
/r/MGTOW06/03/15 12:40 AM
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I don't hold any opinions like this. I have no illusions that women are losing out because of MGTOW. If anything there might be some small increase in female self reliance because less people available to lean on. This is good for them and us. Win-win
/r/MGTOW05/03/15 07:03 PM
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I don't really care what anyone thinks actually. If I did I'd just conform. The more unnoticed I am by people who don't hold my values, the better. The power is far greater to be unnoticed. Women (and men) are making the same sales pitches and shaming tactics. I am not on fb etc. I do not want to be known. I smile and nod if I have to and then go do my own thing. No desire or belief in typical relationships.
/r/MGTOW05/03/15 06:53 PM
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The author is in it for the wrong reasons. MGTOW has nothing to do with revenge. It can be viewed as withdrawing from a bad deal but really it's about freedom. Frankly anyone motivated by revenge to be a MGTOW should consider their own shortcomings instead. Although the article makes some good points I can't condone it. MGTOW don't need to view their decision in terms of revenge.
/r/MGTOW05/03/15 06:04 PM
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Yes many women also seem to think small things, like typical arguments and disagreement in some cases, can constitute abuse. I know this from observing my own family. A man would have to typically suffer something horrendous to even complain at all. Not so with many women. It goes without saying that abusing another person and causing actual harm is wrong. But there is a huge double standard.
/r/MGTOW05/03/15 05:15 PM
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Your first quote is great. Whenever I see some study or article claiming that 80% of people who do x succeed (at whatever), I always want to know about the other 20% who don't and are still successful without doing it.
/r/MGTOW05/03/15 04:55 PM
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Unplug from anything or anyone that is narcissistic. Unplug from social media. Unplug from the constant barrage of shaming tactics meant to harness your power for someone or some corporation's ends. Every day take time to center yourself, find peace and gratitude for life and the liberation you have found. Stay under the radar even though you know a higher level of freedom than most around you. Cultivate what you enjoy, take pride in what you undertake whether you are just starting or are a mast…
/r/MGTOW04/03/15 10:51 PM
3

Anathem by Neal Stephenson might be worth reading.
/r/MGTOW03/03/15 05:55 PM
2

I'd say 35 actually. That's long enough for all the tables to turn.
/r/MGTOW03/03/15 05:00 PM
2

The whole assessment falls to pieces with the simple fact that women instigate most divorces.
/r/MGTOW03/03/15 04:57 PM
2

Once they hit the wall. He doesn't call. Tattoos and bad boy lustre fades. She's still making minimum wage. Incredulous that even beta dudes. No longer even have a crave. But she still hasn't really changed. Don't get involved. Just be a friend. Play now pay later. This is how it often ends for them. So don't worry about being on your own. We age like wine. As our garden's grown
/r/MGTOW03/03/15 04:40 PM
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If you keep to your course you will rise. When you rise, women will start to show up. When that happens, resist the urge to dump critical thought. Realize high standards and keeping your energy clean are attractive. Don't fall for it. That's still only an early step. Conserve your energy for yourself and your own dreams and don't give it up. Build the life you want first. Realize your own completeness, then you will know that women don't complete you. You can share with them but never seek yours…
/r/MGTOW03/03/15 01:16 AM
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Ask yourself what you really want the most to be. Pursue that and let sex go. Pursuing women really is a dead end. Honestly once you've slept with a few women, it should be possible to realize the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Pursue personal goals and exhilaration. Another thing to look at is the majority of relationships. If you look at them objectively you will see most of them are traps. Still more present a false front of success on the outside but behind the scenes are miserable. You have…
/r/MGTOW03/03/15 01:09 AM
1

Clearly the sexual marketplace is skewed against men's interests at the moment. Free internet porn has filled the void for some men, but I think it's unhealthy to have imaginary tits replacing real tits in the sexuality of so many average guys. Or maybe it's an evolutionary step forward freeing men and maybe even women from no longer needed biological imperatives? At 7 billion and counting we now have bigger problems than keeping the tribe growing. Sex is about reproduction, really. If you aren'…
/r/MGTOW01/03/15 10:41 PM
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The origin of marriage is patrimony --knowing which kids are genetically yours. Before civilization which created the idea of hereditary social classes and specialization, it probably wasn't practiced. Before civilization, children were raised in common by the tribe, and there was no need to know who fathered whom when the social hierarchy and access to resources was shared.
/r/MGTOW01/03/15 10:33 PM
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I fit the younger end of that age demographic, but I have also worked as a programmer and in tech most of my career. No digital divide here. For me, life overall has never been better than now. But I did realize where things were headed when I was younger and generally dodged a lot of bullets. I always have embraced freedom as much as I could without giving up all the comforts of a decent job. That means taking remote gigs and taking a few months off from work, up to 6 months every couple years.…
/r/MGTOW01/03/15 10:19 PM
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Male who discover mgtow will not be shamed back into the plantation that's because "the plantation" is what is shameful and a lie, that knowledge seem to me very near the real root of RP. it's "the machine" aka "welcome my son to the machine". you can no longer live this way, or see the world and your self worth this way any longer, setting you free to return to your true self and paths
/r/MGTOW27/02/15 05:43 PM
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you might find this of interest: http://www.occultebooks.com/articles/rd_TheWayoftheWarrior.htm
/r/MGTOW27/02/15 05:28 PM
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Just make sure your "empathy" doesnt get you burned for a sucker. I used to think this way but I got burned for it. Read the writing on the wall. What makes you so special in her abuse of basic life responsibilities? Nothing. You are expendable. Been there done that. Won't be doing it again.
/r/TheRedPill27/02/15 04:12 AM
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they feed off of empathy. what they need is someone to just say. you are a fucking mess and our association is at an end. maybe that will work eventually rather yet one more idiot saying "you poor little thing".
/r/TheRedPill26/02/15 09:11 PM
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whoa the self deception is really on overdrive, having gone thru some similar experiences, I can tell you that you aren't the exception, just the latest sucker
/r/TheRedPill26/02/15 09:03 PM
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I don't want kids. The meaning of life is whatever you want it to be. I contribute by giving time, energy, and money to things I believe in. That's enough for me.
/r/MGTOW26/02/15 08:44 PM
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Very similar story to my Dad.
/r/MGTOW26/02/15 01:09 AM
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I think all you need is to see them as they really are. Nothing to be attracted to in 99% of cases. If you see an attractive body and aren't thinking of the real person underneath that, your mind should immediately realize the likely implications of following that impulse which are generally a boatload of narcissism, entitlement and trouble, a person who will bend you to their agenda. The trade isn't worth it. Basically just well designed traps for your freedom resources and time. So I don't rea…
/r/MGTOW25/02/15 04:02 PM
2

about 1 cup every two hours. I used to work out of coffee shops too
/r/MGTOW25/02/15 03:24 PM
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mostly there isn't any. they just take yours and empty you out and then you have to start all over again. not worth the squeeze. then again I am introverted, and only like activity based friendships. I find people in general to be draining and need alone time to recharge from them. it's not that I can't socialize but I find it exhausting, not invigorating
/r/MGTOW25/02/15 03:23 PM
1

I had a girlfriend who was a junkie, I almost went down this road, but I discovered climbing and unwound my frustrations in the mountains instead.
/r/MGTOW25/02/15 03:04 PM
1

Great post, I understand. I went thru most of this too. The thing is, it's better to know the truth and relate to it. Channel the anger productively, it will fuel your own growth and eventually dissipate. Remember, women are also imprisoned by the falsehoods we lived by. I only wish I had known sooner. My life would have been so much better. Its like being in prison and then set free.
/r/MGTOW25/02/15 03:00 PM
1

She found true love. Bwahahaha.... For about the next 3 weeks until the next moments of "confusion" maybe
/r/TheRedPill24/02/15 10:10 PM
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Do you often go to new forums, not even bother to lurk a while or interact but still think posting some rant based on your very limited perceptions is valid?
/r/MGTOW24/02/15 09:20 PM
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Problem is, waste of time and money. After a while too much the same and not enough different. Novelty wears off eventually, even for new partners. The benefits of friendship? Not even close to the quality of my male friends.
/r/TheRedPill24/02/15 05:12 AM
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I struggled thru many relationships always believed the lie NAWALT. Shortly before finding this community I finally gave up. AWALT. It was then I realized MGTOW is the path I relate to. I simply don't want what 99% of women actually have to offer once you look at it honestly with blinders off with the glow of infatuation off. And my fantasy has nothing to do with the way women really are. I don't want to change it's not because I can't get yet another ltr. Consequently, I realized I don't need r…
/r/TheRedPill24/02/15 05:06 AM
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I get the beautiful family pictures in the mail. When my buddy comes to visit in person the venting starts "I can see that you can choose to not have kids and be completely fulfilled. Etc etc..."
/r/TheRedPill24/02/15 04:51 AM
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I feel I have attained this. Not outright disgust but more a realization that there is nothing actually real about desire for another person. They can never fulfill you. Only becoming yourself, expressing your own potentials does this. Not only that even if I were so inclined most women are just a heap of trouble as is well documented in the sub. For these reasons I never see sex as being much more than a form of release of tension, and I don't need or want anyone else for this since I am not in…
/r/MGTOW24/02/15 02:14 AM
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Men defining themselves in relationship to each other is the only thing that makes any sense to me. Male friends are there for sport, truly non biased intellectual conversation, and an understanding of the values of risk and adventure as well as craftsmanship. Never have I found these things in measurable quantity from women without heavy doses of dependency, hidden motives, and sexual politics.
/r/MGTOW24/02/15 12:32 AM
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These channels are mostly light weight fare these days. I take a look from time to time, but usually I only listen all the way thru if they are truly advancing the understanding of a topic.
/r/MGTOW24/02/15 12:24 AM
2

oh yes intentional, not my creation originally, but apt, don't you think?
/r/MGTOW24/02/15 12:09 AM
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I find Asian men to be often extremely capable and competitive but in a more covert and yin way. I have learned a lot from that playbook working with Asian engineers. One guy was even as you described --but a hell of a good engineer anyway.
/r/MGTOW24/02/15 12:00 AM
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Pretty much anytime I see mombies and their closely leashed men either in real life or plastered on social media with massive doses of female fantasy images. These women have succeeded in getting the world to revolve around them and their biological imperatives. And if that's what these guys really want more power to them. But I am happy I dodged that bullet and am enjoying doing things I want to do --currently lots of long distance cycling (easily keeping up with my 15 years younger than me col…
/r/MGTOW23/02/15 11:22 PM
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not masturbating doesn't do anything for me actually. I don't get filled with energy, the desire just goes away completely. but I've mentioned elsewhere that my libido is already very low anyway, so much so that actual women don't turn me on.
/r/MGTOW23/02/15 02:40 AM
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why not the real thing? because the real thing costs a ton of money, is messy, demanding, emotionally wrecked and you can't just turn it off and go about the rest of your day? the 'real thing' isn't as good as the substitute perhaps? never before in history has technology ever offered the kind of liberation it is beginning to do now.
/r/MGTOW22/02/15 04:36 PM
2

Oh god, do they ever complain. Its suddenly men's fault they aren't being worshipped for no reason other than 'because female' anymore.
/r/MGTOW22/02/15 04:31 PM
1

I agree that kind of treatment cheating and lies you can get anywhere. That's practically the definition of low quality. Nothing magic about that used up equipment.
/r/MGTOW22/02/15 04:29 PM
1

climbing works too. I did a ton of rock and ice climbing when I was younger
/r/MGTOW22/02/15 03:55 PM
2

no tips but I am such a person. when you realize your fantasy has no actual match maybe? it might just be low t but I have virtually no attraction to actual women. whatever it is I'm OK with it. blinders off.
/r/MGTOW22/02/15 03:52 PM
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what is TV? is that some kind of internet?
/r/MGTOW22/02/15 06:57 AM
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I have news for you. These people are the same jackasses and jackals as they were before. Take it from the Tao Te Ching. To be in favor or disgrace both debases.
/r/TheRedPill21/02/15 08:47 PM
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She still feels entitled to male interest. I had this happen to me where a woman expressed interest in me and then just magically expected me to be all in 100%. She was marginally attractive but unwilling to even put forth consistent effort to put herself over the threshold. Sorry honey, but I don't chase anymore. And yes you have to now prove to me that it's worth my while. I know this was inconceivable when you were younger, but I assure nearly every man went thru it and now you will also have…
/r/MGTOW21/02/15 06:17 PM
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If men emphasized long flowing locks, perfect body shapes and the utilitarian aspect of male cultural value was lessened and devalued to attain parity with female, these artificial values would also come to dominate the status quo male psyche. There is very little of how we are that isn't culturally determined at this point in our history, for better or worse, we are already very far removed from how we lived in primitive societies.
/r/MGTOW21/02/15 08:03 AM
1

The only real freedom is excellence. Yes you can live on nothing but you must be living and pursuing excellence in some way. There is no real satisfaction from doing nothing unless contemplation is your primary need.
/r/MGTOW21/02/15 07:43 AM
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The thing is, if men dressed like they do then they would lose all respect. Women claim to be against objectification but practically every woman's publication is at least partially about how to doll yourself up into an object of desire. Somehow women don't see this as a double standard as they proclaim that dressing like this is about equality when in fact it is female privilege.
/r/MGTOW20/02/15 01:36 AM
1

For me MGTOW correlates with a sea change wherein I simply no longer harbored any romantic fantasy or any belief in the idea of a soul mate. This change also seems to have eliminated most of my desire for sex as well. Rather than misogyny, the absurdity and the futility of what people are after from one another and that it could never fulfill me followed on that realization, followed closely on by the inability to believe in the game they are playing. A disbelief in the entire culturally sanctio…
/r/MGTOW20/02/15 01:28 AM
1

Can't argue with sympathy for the devil but on the more introspective side. Phoenix Fire http://youtu.be/lfO9LFQFlkg
/r/MGTOW19/02/15 07:47 PM
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I think one of the myths of relationship is that it ends loneliness. It does not. In fact I'd say there is little difference either way. Also as was said MGTOW isn't about not having any other choice. If you actually want a relationship that supercedes going your own way then you aren't an MGTOW. Go and figure it out over at TRP if necessary.
/r/MGTOW19/02/15 12:01 AM
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I agree with this criticism. Way too much advice presented as "self improvement" which is actually serves no real purpose. Always another neanderthal saying "lift more bro". Yeah and if I have no interest in lifting it must be refusal to improve myself? Haha haha. That is so small time. I'd rather learn a new skill of my own choosing.
/r/MGTOW17/02/15 08:52 PM
1

I think pursuing women for sex is stupid. So the focus on sexual strategies is just more gynocentricism to me. I do not care what would work. I think it's a waste of time. If you must do it, I would consider some kind of paid transaction where legal. Is TRP damaging? Not in and of itself. The discussion of female nature is often spot on, unavailable thru conventional channels, and worth investigating for many men.
/r/MGTOW17/02/15 08:28 PM
1

Corporate culture however exploits workers just as much. Its all about some dipshit vc or shareholder value. Your time and energy are utterly disposable to them. They will axe you in a heartbeat if they can.
/r/MGTOW15/02/15 12:11 AM
1

It's simply too hard to do it well. It can't be faked as easily. I have no worries that somehow a class of people will be "empowered" externally to do it.
/r/MGTOW12/02/15 07:54 AM
1

I left a job like that. Yes that's a valid path. Just ask yourself though if it's what you really want though from time to time. For me, I had enough and got out after a while. I can't claim to care about maximizing shareholder value for investor right sizing. Life is too short.
/r/MGTOW12/02/15 07:49 AM
1

I am part of a club that is about 90% male. We don't reject anyone but the hierarchy is really skill based. And it takes years of dedication to develop the skill. When I was blue pill, I used to lament the lack of "gender balance". Now though, I love it. If you can play join us, but you can't subvert us into some merely social hierarchy.
/r/MGTOW12/02/15 07:45 AM
2

The only thing that really matters is cash flow. I am about 500k in debt but it is nearly cash flow neutral. If I exempt my house it is cash flow positive debt. I could rent my house and just collect money from the positive cash flow. Enough to stop working if I wanted to expat, but I don't.
/r/MGTOW12/02/15 03:18 AM
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I agree. When they said women and children first I always wondered why women were exempt.
/r/MGTOW12/02/15 02:53 AM
1

Anyone you live with or even a pet becomes part of your life after that much time . Is it because it's the best of all possible worlds? Doubtful, but at some point making comparisons and what ifs just isn't worth it. Life is good and bad for all of us. Above an upper middle class level of wealth statistically people are just as happy as wealthier people. If you are already at that level the biggest contributor to your well being is simply awakening more self awareness.
/r/MGTOW12/02/15 02:51 AM
1

No interest in it myself. Legalize it.
/r/MGTOW12/02/15 01:55 AM
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Yes it's simple. If you have money and are reasonably fit women will be interested in you. This was never what I really wanted though. If attracting women is the prize for you, I think that's not MGTOW. Independence is the prize. How to deal with freedom and estrangement from "conventional" society is the challenge.
/r/MGTOW11/02/15 03:00 AM
1

yeah I'm in a similar situation. I already have all this success and stuff. I don't need anything and am happy to let anyone who doesn't appreciate me leave...NOW.
/r/TheRedPill10/02/15 02:07 AM
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Brilliant and insightful
/r/MGTOW09/02/15 05:25 AM
1

So what dude? I imagine most of us in here have college degrees. Masturbating feels good. With or without internet porn. Before the internet we had mags and vhs tapes. And the imagination works fine as well.
/r/MGTOW08/02/15 03:53 AM
2

This quote is just more pedestal princess nonsense. Bob Marley was a good musician but on this we will never agree.
/r/MGTOW08/02/15 03:45 AM
1

Also technology has started to make the way we interacted in the past obsolete.
/r/MGTOW08/02/15 03:43 AM
1

great post
/r/MGTOW07/02/15 10:37 PM
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Another case in point: on facebook, I have a couple of female friends who are feminists. They’re constantly outraged, constantly posting links to feminists websites and articles. One of their favorite things to do is to diss white men. I even remember one girl literally posting that she “hates white men.” A few people liked her comment, no one complained about it. But if I were to create some post about hating white women, I’d be taken to task by all my facebook friends and all their friends. I'…
/r/MGTOW07/02/15 05:45 PM
1

Mine is very low. The advantage is clarity. The obvious absurdity of sexually motivated behavior. The disadvantage is the loss of the associated chemical cocktail.
/r/MGTOW07/02/15 05:11 PM
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Lol. I don't care what woman you value. They are all annoying. I value myself.
/r/TheRedPill03/02/15 05:12 AM
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I relate most to MGTOW, which is to say I don't like categories at all.
/r/TheRedPill03/02/15 05:10 AM
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Even if one out of 20 is good the odds still suck. Eventually you realize you can be just as happy even without that one.
/r/MGTOW03/02/15 03:51 AM
1

I had a conversation with my Dad about this. He actually agreed that the world has changed and many people aren't interested in marrying anymore. He speculated marriage is becoming obsolete on his own.
/r/MGTOW02/02/15 03:04 PM
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In Portland this place may have just as many female customers. The town is full of lesbians. Frankly I can't imagine paying for this kind of thing. Get a dog if that lonely.
/r/MGTOW02/02/15 08:23 AM
1

Start mentioning how much you like some other woman. Should throw them off.
/r/MGTOW02/02/15 08:13 AM
2

Welcome, it's sounds like you are a natural MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW30/01/15 10:29 PM
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Living well and in the style that suits you is what counts. Do that and nobody can say a thing. Women optional.
/r/TheRedPill30/01/15 10:15 PM
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Yes your entire house can be a full of her messes but if you left a glass on the table all hell can break loose for one minor thing. It's like they overlook their own flaws and total lack of logic but you must exhibit perfection.
/r/TheRedPill30/01/15 10:10 PM
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Not always. I think this is totally a stereotype. I've always had more and better friends than my female partners. It usually ends in jealousy.
/r/TheRedPill30/01/15 10:05 PM
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Your wife is a rare kind then. My experience is the opposite.
/r/TheRedPill30/01/15 10:03 PM
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You guys are pathetic because you are merely justifying bad female behavior. Someone who feels they need to test me can go bother someone else. I have plenty of options. I think your elaborate justification for accepting such abuse is weak.
/r/TheRedPill30/01/15 09:56 PM
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The primary characteristic is putting yourself first, women are not the goal.
/r/MGTOW30/01/15 09:29 PM
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This post made me realize what I miss. I don't miss women, it's the fantasy. For me the fantasy died, it's 100% gone. The freedom of men is my new dream. A dream that my brothers take up their own freedom and create a new age of heros (pardon my abuse of the terms). I think what women don't realize is that they have already succeeded in utterly destroying the whole dance. Their value as human beings can only be based on aspiration and respect at this point, but it's still based on demands of all…
/r/MGTOW30/01/15 05:07 PM
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yes she described being "in love" with this guy who she lets sleep around. what would drive such a treasured pearl such as herself to attempt to shame a man she's never even seen or met on the MGTOW forum? lol. hers is a sad and pathetic gesture from a person who ultimately has no self respect and is trying to cast that as a virtue. in the most pathetic way possible this has her habitually denigrating total strangers as "unnattractive" and "unworthy". it must make her feel a bit better about her…
/r/MGTOW30/01/15 04:07 PM
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if you chose MGTOW because you "have to", you should just go back to TRP. MGTOW isn't some refuge for men who can't form relationships.
/r/MGTOW30/01/15 03:59 PM
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Thou shalt lift. Lol. No. Just no. Glad to be a rule breaker. I will not lift, but I will climb gaining strength, balance, focus and form.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/15 01:01 AM
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predictions of imminent catastrophe are as old as the hills and usually wrong. you may be waiting a long, long time. best to live for today, dealing with things as they are
/r/MGTOW28/01/15 04:08 PM
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Financial independence is a must for me. Make more or less, just live within your means.
/r/MGTOW28/01/15 04:04 PM
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To me MGTOW doesn't even have to discuss women at all, and it doesn't need to be angry or reactionary or anything of the kind. That stuff is part of the awakening process for some, though, so it's accepted here. The thing that's awesome about a fully formed MGTOW outlook is that genuine independence is born. Posts about "what it would take me to return" etc all miss the boat entirely, those guys should go back to TRP, because wanting to "return" to women if they "reform" or could be accepted by …
/r/MGTOW27/01/15 11:44 PM
1

I don't disagree with the basis but maybe the conclusion. We seek novelty. OK. Apparently this is some dumb drive. I'm happy to subvert it. Nofap? Lol. No. I'm actually more creative when I am completely undistracted by physical desire. You're kidding yourself that walking around horny is superior or you are *sublimating" something to a different end. Biology is getting the last laugh.
/r/MGTOW27/01/15 04:04 AM
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They are good for the same things men are good for(aside from your sexual valuation which for me is low). And if they aren't it's better to stay single.
/r/TheRedPill27/01/15 02:33 AM
1

I have a friend who had it done. He experienced pain that never fully went away. Worse he changed his mind later and wanted to reverse it. I will not do it, prefer self control.
/r/MGTOW27/01/15 02:22 AM
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the only thing needed to merely reproduce irresponsibly is a small bank account which a man will allow to be exploited. next. Perhaps you are upset by the lack of exclusivity in your own relationship? Projecting your own inadequacy here however I guarantee you is a failing strategy. We are well past that here. This is about independence. Maybe that's what draws you to a men's forum?
/r/MGTOW27/01/15 01:06 AM
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My sex drive has steadily declined since 30. It's not nonexistent but so infrequent it is very low on the scale of things I think of. I would say its much lower than normal but it has its benefits. The main consequence is that sex usually just seems like work to me. Its hard enough to get myself interested let alone please a woman who basically biologically is a far more passive role. I would rather be passive than active sexually too which means women are never going to find me a super dynamic …
/r/MGTOW26/01/15 07:44 PM
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It must have skipped me. Sex can be OK, but kids no way.
/r/MGTOW26/01/15 07:36 PM
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Here's the thing. Going your own way is the best way regardless of whether or not you find gold. Live for yourself don't chase a fantasy.
/r/MGTOW26/01/15 12:09 AM
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When I got into my late 30s I finally developed iron self respect and self confidence. I had a decade at a successful career under my belt, financial security, well developed hobbies and interests and a beautiful home. Finally I realized I was the prize. If you want to get with me you have to bring the full package and actual value to the table. I simply don't need any particular person so a woman would have to be damn impressive on many levels or I have no interest.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/15 03:02 AM
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MGTOW has some of the highest value men actually. There is some relationship though to monasticism for some. There are MGTOW who have had no resource constraints of any kind so they naturally place themselves first and go their own way.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/15 12:56 AM
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There is no way for TradCon to return. The conditions that created it and made it work are long, long gone. If in 2015, you think you will get married before to a teenage bride that never will need to work, and you will support her off your one salary. I think this is horrible anyway. I don't want to support anyone else unless it's part of an equal exchange. This whole system is why Alimony laws existed. Your wife in that system was literally like a little dependent child married to you for supp…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/15 07:45 PM
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Funny all I need is a book but yeah this is intriguing.
/r/MGTOW23/01/15 05:38 PM
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Yes I agree with most of what you wrote here. The fairy tale is just that --a gynocentric flight of female fantasy enshrined by the media. Witness the ridiculous fantasy weddings that many women in the west expect. Its an entire industry built on this fantasy that does absolutely nothing for men. A guy I knew spent nearly 40k on his wedding only to be divorced two years later and moved back in with his parents.
/r/MGTOW21/01/15 04:49 PM
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I have one female friend. All the others I have known are just following their biological agenda. Honestly she is almost what I would consider a female going her own way. No kids, single, athletic, owns almost no possessions. Forty years old. She works freelance and moves around the country to different places. She is not promiscuous or a lesbian. I don't find her attractive she makes a great hiking partner and conversationalist. One in a million.
/r/MGTOW21/01/15 04:35 PM
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You are so lucky to have discovered this at 22. Good luck to you!
/r/MGTOW21/01/15 04:28 PM
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yes, i imagine it is troubling to some people that liberation from blind physical gratification of sexual desire is actually possible nowadays. it must be horrific to imagine all the time they wasted seeking it out that doesn't now need to be wasted by someone else.
/r/MGTOW20/01/15 03:36 AM
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The only reason these kind of women get coddled is neoteny. Karen Straughan has a good video on that topic.
/r/MGTOW19/01/15 09:09 PM
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Hypocrisy is one whole sex that basically is expecting to be worshipped. With whole industries just so they can continually primp and preen themselves. Who claim to want equality but actually just want lower standards and privilege. Who get by in life by shaming and claiming weakness and the right to protection. Yes, not ALL but enough to make it a structural societal problem.
/r/MGTOW19/01/15 07:15 PM
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they aren't worth the effort. MGTOW for me.
/r/TheRedPill19/01/15 05:44 AM
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I laugh at that stuff (the do x,y,z to be manly silliness). I have my own strategies and definitions and they are working well enough for me. (My thought process is basically skepticism) As in (to the true believers) Let me know how that stuff works out for ya, OK? Meanwhile, I'll be doing my own thing....
/r/MGTOW17/01/15 02:31 AM
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You still believe in the fairy tale. You lament that it hasn't happened to you. I don't believe it anymore. It was like flipping a switch, for me there is no going back. Its like looking behind the curtain and realizing once and for all its just a sham. My fairy tale isn't the same as theirs, and theirs I want no part of.
/r/MGTOW16/01/15 06:58 PM
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It depends what you define as finishing first. having offspring isn't it for me. I laugh at that idea actually. I really don't understand the appeal and never have. Why would I want to spend 18-25 years supporting someone else?
/r/MGTOW16/01/15 06:39 PM
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PhDs grow on trees these days.
/r/MGTOW16/01/15 06:28 PM
1

I live in the city and most of my friends are artists, musicians, or otherwise on some individual path regardless of whether they are in partnerships or not. I experience no pressure to change. Middle class values hold no interest to me and I have escaped them. I am an athlete and an artist myself and I connect with others on that basis because I am very good at what I choose to do. "Friends" who cared really only to become the social norm --I let them all go. I made new friends because I made s…
/r/MGTOW16/01/15 05:09 PM
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Good list. I'd like to add an MGTOW basically disregards in some sense women's hierarchical view of themselves in regards to being the ones that choose from 'suitors' --for lack of a better term. Instead, we make the choice, putting ourselves first and deny their claim to having this power (refusing the pedestal), as a corollary denying them their accustomed power to shame men. The basis of this isn't mere arrogance, but a recognition that we face the greater risk and have a great deal of energy…
/r/MGTOW15/01/15 07:18 PM
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i'm not afraid of dying. i'm going to live forever!!! i am immortal until proven otherwise with all due respect and gratitude to the gods ;)
/r/MGTOW09/01/15 10:03 PM
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I've never had any real desire to have kids. I've never seen other people's kids and wished I had them. In reality most people's kids are nothing special, yet they center their existence and sense of self around them. It just doesn't seem worth it to me.
/r/MGTOW07/01/15 08:43 PM
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The broader question is whether or not marriage can even be a vehicle for self actualization and fulfillment at all. That's what I want from life and I think many MGTOW also see this as their true goal. I long ago realized that the overwhelming majority of women only see men as a vehicle to serve and please them, followed closely by selflessly funding them popping out kids. It is a completely selfish agenda. When I realized that most women don't really see men in any other terms, it was very eas…
/r/MGTOW05/01/15 09:11 PM
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I was was thinking what she can she do, maybe scrub my floors? ;) "Attracting" women isn't the problem despite her blabbering about men and boys, it's the lack of any reciprocal value, and a pervasive entitlement syndrome which is now practically a cultural expectation of women like her.
/r/MGTOW05/01/15 06:55 AM
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I do computer work from home with flexible hours, generally never more than a 40 hr work week which I distribute mostly how I want. I make decent money, I could make more but I like the independence rather than being tied to an office. I spend part of each year living in different places. I generally rent an apartment and work from some new place I want to explore during my off hours. I could be more frugal, but I do have some rather expensive tastes. I enjoy fine dining, a really great sound sy…
/r/MGTOW05/01/15 12:09 AM
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For me, I have have artistic and athletic pursuits and friendships based around them that I consider life long. You need to find things that sustain your passion for life. Starting new things is always possible as well. Each day I take time to consider how the new day will be more of what I like and less of what I don't.
/r/MGTOW04/01/15 11:16 PM
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I read this years ago and have come to disagree. If you are doing things out of sex transmutation as he described it, the problem is that you actually just wish you were getting laid. I don't think it works in the long run. Instead the creative impulse should be redirected towards your own self development until a complete psychological shift enables you to view externalization of desire in the proper terms, which is that it is a draining of your resources and time to be viewed with caution.
/r/MGTOW04/01/15 11:10 PM
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lol. Give them nothing! Not a penny or an ounce of validation. This spiel is typical pedestal princess. I just love seeing some spoiled brat blabbing sanctimoniously about what I can do to please when I wouldn't touch her or anyone like her with a 10 foot pole.
/r/MGTOW04/01/15 10:55 PM
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Married guys can identify with MGTOW ideals but not claim the label for themselves. Seems fair enough.
/r/MGTOW04/01/15 10:43 PM
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I quit and deleted my account several months ago. Great decision. FB is conformity central and a waste of time.
/r/MGTOW04/01/15 10:33 PM
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It used to be resisted and resented information that most men would just rather have sexual access to a wide diversity of partners than only one,... but even this is now unnecessary and has been superceded with the virtual world. The idea that I would have to try to get a woman to sleep with me seems absurd and even repugnant. I have way too much self satisfaction to even consider it. We used to have to go into the forest and hunt for dinner. No longer necessary. We used to have to sing and danc…
/r/MGTOW02/01/15 11:01 PM
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And if a guy has money and ambition he can have 100 of you, so what exactly is your value?
/r/MGTOW02/01/15 10:36 PM
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once you are free of them and face how unlimited your future is you will rediscover the unbridled joy of life.
/r/MGTOW29/12/14 03:15 AM
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TRP is still mostly gynocentrism. In MGTOW you are paramount. Their "strategy" is still mostly about putting women above you in the hierarchy... no matter how much they try to tell you otherwise. It's helpful to know about female nature in general --you get some of that there. Take it a step further. Invert the whole pyramid. Put yourself on top, and view the bottom of it as full of mostly unworthy, or simply ineligible women. Why? Because this really is the case. In relationships, you have much…
/r/MGTOW28/12/14 06:31 PM
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MGTOW is about rejecting gynocentrism, and the idea that it is "woman on a pedestal" who controls sexual selection, when the greatest risk and smallest benefit is in fact to the male sex. TRP, despite usually good intentions, is still full of gynocentrism, much of it presented erroneously as strategy. Thus much of TRP is still a trap for men.
/r/MGTOW28/12/14 05:33 PM
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I'm nothing like the op. I always despised what society said was the american dream 2 car garage 1.7 kids etc. Instead I prized independence and adventure. Even if this stuff was offered to me on a platter I would refuse. I don't care who thinks I am privileged. I worked for what I have, lots of people complain but results speak for themselves. As guns and roses said you can have anything you want but you better not take it from me. If you want something and can't or won't pay the price get out …
/r/TheRedPill28/12/14 06:35 AM
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I know it makes some breeders mad, but some of us are well off financially, in no way losers, and will retire early...and we are not even interested in having kids. We long ago escaped that silly conformist social pressure. Yes we smile and nod when you tell us its all worth it to you and you can't imagine any other way. And then we go home and privately sigh with relief that we aren't ever doing that.
/r/TheRedPill28/12/14 06:19 AM
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They will try to bring you back to the fold. They can't believe it any other way. They couldn't even fathom the life I lead. And theirs bores me to tears. But you're still wrapped up in what they think of you, aren't you?
/r/MGTOW28/12/14 06:05 AM
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when I was young and poor they wanted nothing to do with me. now I'm older, kinda rich and I have no need of them. i am actually glad I dodged that bullet. I'm free of them and their machinations and I live very, very well.
/r/MGTOW26/12/14 05:43 PM
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Stockholm Syndrome, mostly. What do I care if they are happy or not though? I'm not against anyone's happiness, nor do I need to measure my own by theirs.
/r/MGTOW26/12/14 04:10 AM
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I wouldn't go back to before the blinders came off for anything. The most incredible thing is seeing it for what it is, and knowing you are now free of the phony enchantment.
/r/MGTOW11/12/14 04:05 AM
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What you described really isn't an MGTOW perspective. MGTOW isn't about giving up because of scarcity of good females. It's the revelation that living independently is far more rewarding, reprogramming the now irrelevant biological instincts that don't make sense in the modern world that benefit almost exclusively the female gender. If you have given up because of scarcity but would go back if things changed you are probably still dreaming of a fairy tale nawalt or soul mate which is not going y…
/r/MGTOW06/12/14 06:24 PM
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Yes many mgtow are successful highly successful men who have seen thru the bs. That's why I laugh when they try to insult mgtow by claiming we are deficient in some way. But more than that mgtow redefines success and frees it from the worthless cultural, feminist, politics, media, and religious tradcon propaganda that at every turn attempts to tell us what we should think and how we should define our own success.
/r/MGTOW05/12/14 06:57 PM
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You have a point but what the op demonstrates isn't what you just said. That person or persons who were quoted think it is admirable to diss others while making it clear that the payoff for all the supposed awesomeness is just enslavement to the effect he can have on others. There is no actual freedom in that. In fact, impressing others and having material success is actually something some of us already can do and have done ( are doing as necessary etc to serve going our own way). As was noted …
/r/MGTOW02/12/14 11:50 AM
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The op doesn't bother me, in fact I laugh at this. I have no desire or lack of self worth to exploit. No desire to impress others. Not lacking in wealth or opportunity, I find such a perspective absurd. I exist between the cracks, happily surfing on the excess produced by that kind of self delusion and subjugation. I am in great physical shape... not to impress anyone else...simply because it feels good and I have more energy, and training the body is to me a kind of intelligence.
/r/MGTOW02/12/14 11:25 AM
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They have nothing in particular that I want so it's easy for me. I have experienced a lot of downright hostility to the fact that I am successful on my own terms, and my terms don't include living a traditional relationship or more broadly...in a traditional timeline. When they sense I have no interest in conforming to their values and no need of outside approval, I have often felt animosity from them. Far from "getting to me", their selfish disdain, rooted entirely in self interest, makes them …
/r/MGTOW02/12/14 10:53 AM
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My advice would simply be not to envy any man or woman, or place them above yourself. As Joseph Campbell said the privilege of a lifetime is being who you are. Learn from people, but don't idealize them. All are flawed or limited in some way, merely human. If you feel like you are all alone out in deep water, you're probably going the right way. Following the crowd will never take you further than the crowd goes. Take big risks, and be willing to go on impractical adventures in order to realize …
/r/MGTOW23/11/14 01:27 AM
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I have a friend who did this for a couple years. According to him its quite easy to do and low cost. While tempting and admirable, I'm really not an ocean person at heart so it's not for me.
/r/MGTOW23/11/14 01:15 AM
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So what does it say if you don't want to sleep with any of them anymore? I think this was written before the great "short circuit" we have today... Where the basic response mechanism for many of us has been supplanted... I think I don't even believe in woman as an archetype anymore, if that makes any sense. I grew up with men proclaiming stuff like "I will climb the highest mountain, only to be with you". Only to find out they wouldn't climb the lowest molehill. That and hypergamy, the utter sel…
/r/MGTOW17/11/14 02:57 AM
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As a man, if we see another man with his arm wrapped around a beautiful woman, we do feel a bit envious. We may also wonder about how successful he is, because a hypergamous woman chose him. Now, I love this feeling. As many men do, I seek it out. But, men absolutely become addicted to it. Nope. I only wonder how much it costs him and how much of a pain in the ass it is to pay the price. Women need it far more, they just aren't as used to being denied. As far as Euphoria goes, it is actually way…
/r/MGTOW17/11/14 02:49 AM
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from ...Essay by Jean Gebser “Trapped by materialism, the modern consciousness fruitlessly attempted to dominate physical and temporal processes, incapable of mastering underlying forces seeking realization, requiring a deeper relatedness and a more profound attunement. Since the ‘breaking forth of time’ in industrial production was impelled by hidden impulses that were not consciously assimilated, the motoricity of the machine arbitrarily began to dominate and compel man into its dependency. Si…
/r/MGTOW17/11/14 02:35 AM
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Me too actually. I get along great with women who have actual skills in the workplace.
/r/MGTOW17/11/14 02:22 AM
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Thanks for your nuanced reply. I guess I'm trying to say men got hooked in by sex with the hope of the rest of the package, and this blinded them. The balance simply tipped way too far toward where it seems to me that most men give far more than they receive at far greater risk.
/r/MGTOW17/11/14 02:20 AM
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The article also puts forth the spurious notion that women somehow are about to rule the world. That's always worth a good laugh. By and large (and their are of course, exceptions --but woe to the guy who "thinks" he found one), they don't want to have anything to do with the really hard stuff. They are too busy primping and preening and working on their social status. They have a million reasons why history, literature, scientific and spiritual discovery is mostly from men and not women, but fe…
/r/MGTOW16/11/14 10:47 PM
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The article has some good points about the reward circuit. I believe that what's happened is that women used to have the upper hand due to the unbelievable repression of men's reward circuit. Basically playing video games and watching porn provide the same kick with no risk that men used to have to get thru bashing themselves against each other and from prostrating themselves to unworthy women. Some would say that the old way made men better people (but again, the question is "better for whom?")…
/r/MGTOW16/11/14 10:24 PM
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I'm not sad about it in the least, instead hoping it's a signal of the demise of gynocentrism. Frankly, though, I wouldn't want to be staff at this night club, the pay would have to be amazing to tolerate that much female fantasy and cater to it.
/r/MGTOW04/11/14 01:08 AM
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Most men simply never grow up. And that's all that this relentless chasing after women in order to climb back into the womb is. There's another stage to our development. Most men are stunted and never reach it. It's the stage of a fully functional, non timebound, beyond the materialistic delusion human...a truly independent human soul. Once you see gynocentricism for what it is, it's really very easy to realize the empty promise for what it is. You've been sold a bill of goods. You think somethi…
/r/MGTOW04/11/14 12:55 AM
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your romantic fantasy is your own projection. even if you aren't MGTOW, this knowledge will serve you
/r/MGTOW30/10/14 03:32 PM
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I can't think of a single man who became an admirable human or even became happy from sleeping with women. It really is just a pissing match. I know it may be hard to grasp, but focusing on sex really is an obstruction rather than a means to self satisfaction and personal accomplishment. You will need to find out for yourself that this is so, and probably do need a bit of experience to realize how relatively mundane it really is.
/r/MGTOW23/10/14 09:12 AM
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This guy pretty much sums up my own upbringing. Although his abuse by his mother was worse. It certainly took a lot of hard knocks to realize how many cruel lies we were fed. I'm glad we have a place now online where men can speak to what is happening to us and to boys subjected to this kind of upbringing.
/r/MGTOW23/10/14 04:34 AM
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"society must do something". lol. what a way to live
/r/MGTOW22/10/14 10:04 AM
2

Wherever I may Roam, Metallica.
/r/MGTOW16/10/14 04:21 PM
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For me, excessive socialization makes me depressed, because I don't share the values of most people, being forced to interact with them made me unhappy. This is classic introversion I guess. This is also why although I could work in an office, I work from home. I greatly prefer solitude. For social needs, I have activity partners (mostly for shared athletic pursuits). Those are generally people I can talk to about intellectual topics as well. I also go to concerts and sometimes movies, alone. I …
/r/MGTOW16/10/14 04:15 PM
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I think you are describing infatuation. Its a nice chemical cocktail that doesn't last. I am not easily infatuated anymore, I've been thru the process too many times, and I am always looking if there is any real lasting basis to things. I've also watched guys get infatuated with women I've already been with. That's really an eye opener because you realize the goggles are on when you already know the person. I can make myself high, but usually I prefer a more even keel rather than that which temp…
/r/MGTOW15/10/14 06:10 PM
1

You just haven't done enough somersaults, jumped through hoops of fire and sang and danced like a monkey long enough for one of them to deem you worthy for a short time until they find someone else. I don't know what to tell you, other than, it's ain't all that, we have 7 billion people, if it was that big a deal, we wouldn't be overrunning the planet with our sheer miserable numbers. You've been sold a bag of goods, alright. The question is, will you be able to see it for what it is?
/r/TheRedPill14/10/14 10:57 PM
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It's incredible now that I don't want the gold-diggers the bitches drool over the resources they could steal from me. True words. It still blows my mind. WTF woman, you weren't interested me before I had this stuff unless I bent over backwards and did somersaults, danced and sang like a monkey... but NOW you are? Get real!!! I don't need you... and I could have a hundred others like you!
/r/MGTOW14/10/14 10:29 PM
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For me there's nothing more enjoyable in this world than a woman's passionate embrace. This just sounds to me like a guy who hasn't had many women, or even many pleasures in life, period. You know, after some point you can come to the realization that they are all basically the same. Varying degrees of attractiveness, but "nothing more enjoyable" geez man, you haven't lived. I'd rather have any number of things than this, my list is actually quite long. I mean, I'd rather do a good day hike or a…
/r/MGTOW14/10/14 09:53 PM
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ignoring the other sex is not an option for me I think this actually what differentiates MGTOW, we can and do ignore them, and it's not an act, but an actual preference.
/r/MGTOW14/10/14 08:45 PM
1

Your story reminds me of my experience competing against Asian guys, mostly at office table tennis or pool games. They are constantly apologizing, even when they are winning! This style of engagement leaves you feeling sympathetic for the very person who just beat you. I have to admire the cunning of it. They make you feel like you are "really" the better person, even when they win, that' their victory is a kind of accident, caused by slights you didn't entirely deserve...
/r/MGTOW14/10/14 08:27 PM
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I treat all people basically the same --with respect unless demonstrated that they don't deserve it. TRP is useful in understanding women's behavior and mindset. MGTOW is what happened to me when I realized I had no desire to use that knowledge to manipulate anyone else and that I actually didn't need sex or validation from women at all. Rather than lacking creative energy or ability to engage with people, I've always had TOO MUCH interaction. I have craved alone time, go my own way time for my …
/r/MGTOW14/10/14 07:52 PM
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I consider MGTOW a valid movement but I cannot live without pussy. OK, you are clearly one of these guys who think that all men, whether they admit it or not secretly are just like you and secretly crave women. That if we admitted it to ourselves we'd all just "move on" with some "strategy". I'm getting really tired of this stupidity. Simply put, you are completely wrong, and everyone else who thinks this simply doesn't get MGTOW on a fundamental level. It may be incomprehensible to you that the…
/r/MGTOW14/10/14 07:44 PM
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you are overreacting. just stand your ground and argue your point, then let it go. not everyone agrees here, as far as I can tell it is still fine
/r/MGTOW11/10/14 03:56 AM
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hey CAN reclaim their alpha status without putting in the work. I think you miss the point of MGTOW altogether. Going your own way you no longer define your success in terms of women or anyone else. You decide on your own values. You do your own thing. You can't pretend this level of confidence, you have to realize it. MGTOW is no haven for betas, it's far too scary of an idea for them to come up with their own values. Many MGTOW are absolute RP masters, but have moved on from caring what others…
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 07:01 PM
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My only concern is that men seem to be losing their desire to even be with women because women are constantly competing and one upping and either emasculating or disrespecting men in a multitude of ways. Yes, my desire is pretty much completely gone. No offense intended, but I don't care how some idea of a man makes you feel. Why should I? I've become objective about it, and I don't need any particular woman at all, hot or not. If the perfect unicorn of a woman were to suddenly appear, I'd still…
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 06:25 PM
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Be who you want to be. That's what is really alpha. There is a startling lack of understanding of this fact on here. If I am going my own way and getting the results I want, I don't even need to think about these terms.
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 06:09 PM
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excellent post
/r/MGTOW08/10/14 02:50 PM
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For me, my fantasies and their fantasies have a pretty much zero chance of aligning. It took me a long time to realize that who I really am really doesn't have a some sort of unicorn counterpart, at least not any that I've ever met, because we are fed on that romantic BS as soon as we can absorb content. I too struggled far too long with the "she must be ought there" adolescent pining, conflating physical attraction with some sort of actual unicorn match. I slept with some beautiful women, but t…
/r/MGTOW08/10/14 02:34 PM
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"Once convinced by the rantings that women are more painful than pleasurable, the male goes off semi-satisfied. But, alas, the natural longing creeps up again causing the male to return." --if that's the case, then you aren't actually MGTOW yet, although you may be on the road toward it MGTOW isn't a belief, it's a realization. I didn't find MGTOW until I already realized that I did not have any desire "to return" as he says. Until I realized that I did not idealize women in any way anymore simp…
/r/MGTOW07/10/14 04:55 PM
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The post is old, but I'll still bite. It boils down to his belief that not wanting a wife (aka marriage) and children is "unnatural". Well, I have never wanted kids, and even many women these days do not want them. Some people are gay, so it seems that "natural" spans a very large range of behavior, not just the majority view. Do we even need to talk about why marriage is easily viewed as unnatural and unnecessary even for people who aren't on this path? I think not. The rest of it is him compla…
/r/MGTOW07/10/14 04:11 PM
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My energy is directed towards athletic flow on the active side and contemplation on the passive side. The occasional pursuit of novelty, but that pursuit is with the knowledge that I can create my own novelty simply by doing something like planting a garden in my yard, writing a song or story. My view of what women "are" and what men "are" has gone thru a radical reevaluation. Since I'm not looking for sex, offspring, or fulfillment thru the eyes of others, my idea of self is being reconstructed…
/r/MGTOW03/10/14 05:06 PM
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Libido binds men to pursuing sub standard women and wasting time on stuff like SMV as a judgement of worth. By accepting the ability to pleasure yourself as primary and not with another person, the circuit can absolutely be rewired. NoFap assumes this is bad I think. It's only "dysfunction" if that's not what you want. Like anything good in moderation, you can overdo it. Next... Many other activities skiing, climbing, long distance cycling etc all produce longer lasting, more intense highs. I'm …
/r/MGTOW29/09/14 10:25 PM
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The entire female power game dies as soon as MGTOW reaches critical mass. I personally am riding the wave of excess generated by all these men and women who haven't yet figured this out yet.
/r/TheRedPill26/09/14 01:30 AM
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This article , praised by so many is blue bill. It still says you must earn their love. Uh, no. They must earn mine. Why? Because I don't need any particular woman and there's lots of fish in the sea. Anyone who tests me better be capable of passing the same test themselves or get out of town. I am not an entertainer, I expect a woman to have her own interests and motivation.
/r/TheRedPill26/09/14 01:02 AM
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If you look at the relationship of what most women provide and value and compare it to what you provide and value, and find it generally not a good deal, so much so that it's a realization of independence. ...that's the ticket to MGHOW. Some MGHOW are bitter about women and express it, but it's possible to let that go and just be able to say "it isn't for me". Should women acutally be different than they currently are? Sure, if I was in charge, but all I can do is vote with my own actions. Some …
/r/MGTOW23/09/14 08:37 PM
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really at 26 your life is just beginning. you can still do ANYTHING you want. think on that. if you don't know right now, then do somethings that you will enjoy, and don't make your lack of direction out to be the end of the world, it isn't. it will help if you can find a direction by 30 or so, just because that's a good time to get some financial security. right now, take the time to figure out which way you want to go, and then LAUNCH.
/r/MGTOW13/09/14 03:59 AM
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lol, I love this. I have a male relative who was divorced the day his stock options matured, so she could get half. Married less than 2 years.
/r/MGTOW13/09/14 12:11 AM
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i have no problem whatsoever with prostitutes and think prostitution should be legalized. you won't find me paying anyone for sex though, i'll take all bids for myself instead, starting minimum bid at 1 million dollars ;)
/r/MGTOW13/09/14 12:00 AM
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You've on the road to MGTOW. They aren't worth it. Once you realize that and it's not a question of your game, frame blah blah blah. They just aren't worth it.
/r/TheRedPill12/09/14 06:38 AM
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If there is an MGTOW strategy with women, I'd say it's dealing with them so as to not let the fact that they are not the priority sidetrack you getting what you want from life. You can't just disclose MGTOW to everyone, the results would not be good with some people that you still have other reasons to deal with.
/r/MGTOW12/09/14 05:52 AM
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To me, MGTOW is dispensing with the red pill "game" entirely. Its great that RP men realize they've been had so they can come up with more self respect, but the object of their "game" is still women. The object of MGTOW is your own independence. All that alpha beta stuff is a load of crap when you don't even care what women want. It's not needed. Be what you are, nothing else, as much as you can, this is the goal...
/r/MGTOW12/09/14 05:44 AM
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I am totally not interested either. Maybe if expectations were reversed and women wined, dined, bent over backwards for the privilege (even then it is still more work for men) I might feel differently. I actually don't understand why men are more interested it seems than women in sex. To me paying for it would be absurd. It seems such a pain and more to lose than gain. The cultural paradigm seems absurd to me.
/r/MGTOW12/09/14 05:14 AM
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For me the reason is I disagree completely with the whole premise of what most women value. I don't want kids, for starters, never have. I don't want to join their circle of friends or impress their social peers. I'm repulsed by their obsession with fashion, clothes etc. I value a woman's contribution to society in the form of work more than her appearance. I have had some excellent women coworkers, yet they too are in it mostly so they can afford to reproduce. Most women emphasize appearance, y…
/r/MGTOW03/09/14 05:35 PM
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"that temptation to soar above the rest upon your wings of green would be way too hard to resist" only for a douchebag... the more money i have have made, the more i desire to appear totally ordinary. want to get all the wrong, annoying type of attention? then flaunt and WASTE your wealth...
/r/TheRedPill03/09/14 05:18 PM
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hey girls! i've decided that women can be functional, and i'll be beautiful. honey, i don't care what you look like, do you have a good job, a nice house, car etc? otherwise, don't waste my time, you can't afford me. bonus points for wooing me with your musical skills. strap down your chest, cut your hair, get to work already! i'll be following my artistic and social pursuits, i'll be that side for you. thanks for your sacrifice, you're such a good girl. now, can you get that lawn mowed? no, i d…
/r/TheRedPill01/09/14 10:24 PM
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I think they day is coming when women will need male sex robots.
/r/MGTOW01/09/14 10:17 PM
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I find magic in everyday things. Growing a garden, good cups of coffee, collecting records, reading, snowboarding down a mountain. Even when I'm at a low point, curiosity drives me forward. I want to live as long as I can, and just see what happens. What new inventions, games, music, books and people play out their dramas on the world stage. I like life, for all its flaws and annoyances and failures.
/r/MGTOW26/08/14 01:04 AM
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You aren't there yet with a post like this. Look around you. There is no unicorn. There is no person that is the end all be all. Look at people who claim to have it. They don't. It's all image crafting. When I was young I was poor and lonely. Now I'm well to do and don't care what women think one bit. I have everything they want but I'm mgtow now and I love it. I love being inaccessible. They can get what they need themselves just like I did. I'm not propping anyone up and there is no favor they…
/r/TheRedPill23/08/14 09:23 PM
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