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Thank you for putting words to this. Perfectly said
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/22 10:04 PM
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I feel like this post put into words the feeling I've been having for the past several years. I've watched some of my favorite series get completely butchered and gutted and I've felt this weird dissonance about it because I'm "supposed" to like the new versions, but they've lost all the heart of the stories I loved.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/22 04:02 PM
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I mean, maybe? But I feel like the difference comes from the fact that I'm a woman and not the bisexual part, and the difference between women and men was literally the question. In my experience, dating or sleeping with men is way easier than dating/sleeping with women. I included it for transparency since my sexuality, and therefore also perhaps my libido (the question under discussion, at least in part), is not "typical".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/22 07:36 PM
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I mean, perhaps, but that's just how language works. Polysemy is rampant, and we will always need context to fully understand what people say.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 06:46 AM
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I don't really think there's a way to know the answer to this question, because we can't really ever understand any experience but our own. I'm a woman, and my initial reaction to this was, of course I want men like men want women! But I really have no way of proving or disproving that. I don't know what it's like to be a man any more than a man knows what it's like to be a woman. And I don't know if I'm an outlier for women or the norm. But for the record, I, some random bisexual woman, want me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 09:09 PM
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That's fair, especially the part about it going both ways. But there are essentially two different possible meanings for the term "respect". One is what you're talking about, deference or exaltation above and beyond the norm because the person is deemed worthy. But the other way people use the word is basically akin to "decency". And that's something I don't think needs to be earned (though I do think it can be lost). Everyone deserves to be treated with basic respect (in the second sense of the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 07:27 PM
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I'm really not sure what I said that warranted that. You asked me a question and then went ahead and predicted some hypothetical response I didn't actually give and went on to cite an entire preemptive rant about it. I'd generally be happy to discuss my choice of label, but this doesn't really seem like it's in good faith.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 04:25 PM
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Yep, I completely agree! It's a difficult issue to talk about, because when someone says one of these catch phrases, it's hard to know which way they mean it. Especially online.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 01:16 PM
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So, I'm not disagreeing with the double standard you're pointing out, but it's also important to note that "respect women" doesn't have to mean "respect women because they're women" or "respect women for being women". In fact, the initial push to respect women in the workplace was about not assuming that women are frivolous, silly, naive, uneducated, or whatever other stereotypes people have held about women over the years. It was about basic human respect, not elevation of women. Similar to how…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 12:27 PM
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I can't speak to whether it's been a rapid rise or not, but I've noticed this kind of rhetoric too. I'm active in the bisexual subreddits, and there is currently a lot of metadiscussion about posts with a similar theme: "I'm attracted to women (yay) and men (ugh)" kind of thing. Thankfully there's a lot of pushback in that community against this content, and now we're seeing tons of men appreciation posts in response to it. But I totally agree it's a problem. I think it's completely reasonable t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 07:55 AM
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Yeah, the "hey, we should do due diligence when women report sexual violence and take it seriously" has morphed into "believe anything a woman says without bothering to verify anything about it", and this case is a demonstration of the dangers of that extension. And this case in particular is useful (esp if he wins), because it is a defamation case, specifically talking about the social and financial effects of this automatic belief, so it's not subject to the "but of course we still have innoce…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 02:57 PM
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Couldn't check the article due to paywall, but based on the description in this post, this is horrific.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 10:09 PM
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So, hearing a version of this idea (specifically the comparison between feminist ideology/patriarchy and dogmatic religion) was a big turning point for me a few years ago when I really started questioning some of the feminist beliefs I had at the time. It was beautifully articulated by Karen Straughan in her interview by Cassie Jay (I generally disagree with most of Karen's takes on things, in at least degree if not in kind, but the comparison she made there was absolutely perfectly said.) I sti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/21 09:43 PM
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Is... there something wrong with asking? No, why?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/21 09:37 AM
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It was Toulouse, in southern France
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/21 09:02 AM
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Yeah, that's definitely fair
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/21 06:33 PM
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This is very true. And to add to this, the paranoia women may feel might even be justified, but the only thing you can really do is just go about your day and not hurt people. You can't control how they perceive you or what other things they might have experienced before encountering you. Just to give a little anecdote from my own experience, a few years ago I was travelling and I ended up walking by myself through the streets of an unfamiliar city. I was followed three times on that walk. The f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/21 11:20 AM
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It can be both. I agree with OP's characterization of NNN as demonizing male sexuality, 100%. And it's important to talk about it as such. But it's also steeped in gender narratives of all kinds more generally. The "male sexuality is bad/men need to overcome their base instincts/men are only motivated by sex" narrative cluster goes hand in hand with the "women are evil temptresses and whores/trust no bitch" narrative cluster. They go together, and they harm everybody.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/21 10:17 AM
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Evolution doesn't do things "for a purpose". It's the result of selectional pressure over a long period of time, and even if you're correct that the result of this evolutionary change actually makes rape more likely, or gives women more sexual currency, etc, that doesn't mean that that effect was the original selectional pressure that caused the change in the first place. It's like you're making an argument that "if evolution really wanted to make rape less common, it should have done X...", but…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/21 02:45 AM
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Aw, that award it has came from me, sad to see it got deleted :(
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 11:06 PM
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Yeah, that's entirely fair, and I wasn't trying to simplify the issues men face into only comparison with feminity (though, to be fair, masculinity and femininity are set up as a dichotomy in our society, so they are often compared). I guess I meant to say that it's not about society demonizing masculinity (in my example specifically), but rather demonizing specific men for failing to live up to it. My main point was simply that the notion that trans women are hated in part for their presentatio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/21 03:45 PM
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To be fair, there are good arguments for the existence of trans misogyny (whether or not that's the perfect word for it), but the pearl-clutching "save the women from the scary man/trans woman" isn't an example of it. I agree with OP that this does seem to be an extension of the way that men are treated, just extended toward trans women (though probably with an extra dose of transphobic hate thrown in). Better examples of the ways that trans women are punished for deviating from the male role ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/21 11:30 AM
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This is one of the best and most succinct descriptions of intersectionality as a framework I've come across, including both feminist and non-feminist spaces. (Not to say that everyone who talks about intersectionality actually uses it this way, but this is a great description of its theoretical utility)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 01:21 PM
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Thank you! I've been here for a while and mostly I just lurk because it feels important not to butt in on conversations about men's experiences. I do very much appreciate that this space exists though, and I read a lot of the content that gets posted here. Always down to have my horizons expanded and my views challenged :) Though I'd consider myself a feminism-critical feminist already.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/21 07:47 PM
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"I know it's hard, but I believe in you."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/21 09:41 AM
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But the problem is not with men being unwilling or uncomfortable being emotional. Which is often the point of the "oh, that's toxic masculinity" dismissal. The problem is the emotional abuse we get for being vulnerable and showing emotions that aren't utilitarian. It needs to become socially unacceptable to give men grief for being emotional and vulnerable I agree with most of what you've said here. Except the presupposition that there is only one problem. I think you're probably even correct th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/21 02:10 PM
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Well, I mean, in my view, expressing that you want men to be comfortable being emotional (combined with actively fighting any bias that pops up within yourself) is a way to effect that change. What does it mean for men to be safe to express emotion if not widespread and purposeful desire for that to be true? Like, in a concrete example, me saying to a male friend/partner, "hey, feel free to be vulnerable around me," is about the extent of my power to make it safe for him. Aside from talking abou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/21 05:22 PM
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I feel like you're taking what I'm saying an entirely different way from what I'm intending. I'm in no way advocating going around telling men "Be more emotional! Open yourself up for ridicule!" I'm saying (and I think you agree with me?) that the world should be such that men feel comfortable being more emotional, if that's how they're feeling. I am all for making it more safe for men to do that. That's part of why I commented in the first place, because OP highlighted a subtle way that even I,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/21 03:12 PM
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It is not about men feeling comfortable being emotional. It is about society not shaming and attacking men for being emotional. I don't see these two things as mutually exclusive or at odds in any way. I agree that society shouldn't be shaming and attacking men for being emotional, and I also think that men should feel comfortable being emotional. And why do you think the world would be a better place if men were emotional ? I mean, perhaps I worded it poorly, but I just meant that the world wou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/21 05:22 PM
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Thanks for this reply. And I agree with most of your complaints about mainstream feminism. I often feel highly ambivalent about some of the rhetoric, because I can understand some of the anger and frustration coming from that side, but I also see much of it as quite harmful. I try to speak out where I can, but it's difficult sometimes. And I'm glad that spaces like this exist so that these discussions can actually happen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/21 05:10 PM
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I really resonated with this post, in quite an uncomfortable way actually. I'm a woman with the general opinions you described. I like to think that I value men expressing emotions, and I genuinely do believe that the world would be better if men felt comfortable being more emotional. But I have also found myself uncomfortable around men crying. I certainly hope I've never outwardly shown that kind of discomfort, but if I'm being honest, I have felt it. And I'm really glad you put words to it, b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/21 02:19 PM
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