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Google is not neutral, they blacklist all the left wing media.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 12:47 PM
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This was started by this person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharine_MacKinnon But someone had to fund it. While at Yale Law School, she received a National Science Foundation fellowship.[2][3] Why would the US fund it? Abstract This essay shows, among other things, how the development of the NSF's social science program during the 1950s reflected a variety of political, institutional, and intellectual concerns, including academic worries about the standing of Marxism as social science, anti-…
/r/MensRights10/02/18 03:36 PM
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Information is your friend.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 01:28 PM
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I dont confuse protesting neo nazis with free speech violations.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 01:27 PM
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When people protest and tell neo nazis to go away he thinks their free speech is being affected and we should fight for them. When its speech he doesnt like, he protests that.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 01:16 PM
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Men are homeless because of artificial shortages. Tribes house all of their people no problem. We had low numbers of homeless before the politicians started drifting right in the 1970s. The uk gave 300 million for the upkeep of royal property on prime land that they never paid a penny for, while working families struggle to keep a roof over their heads. The shortages are artificial.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 01:14 PM
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No im not trying to be an swj at all. They support the neoliberal left, which is the same as the right except they say divisive things about men, race and gender while screwing the people for the elite class. The day I see you as outraged about google blocking the left wing media as you are people protesting neo nazis ill belive your free speech story.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 01:08 PM
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Venesuela was destroyed by the right. Before chaves the right were murdering the poor who were fighting back. They voted in chavez who took back the stolen resources and improved things. Because he wasnt playing ball there were sanctions and the price of oil was suppressed. The right got control back, now there is another leader who is corrupt, like the right, but because he is talking some of the industry back from american interests the subversion and sanctions are back. Not sure what Venezuel…
/r/MensRights31/01/18 01:01 PM
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If I step outside the first world I will find african style free markets, little social spending and low tax for the westeren elite who are stealing all the resources. The right libertarian movement wants to do this in the west, and this is one of the reasons people like milo and sharipo get protested.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 12:56 PM
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This one - supports neo nazis and thinks protecting the vulnerable and the sick is cancerous. This is why we get protested so much.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 12:51 PM
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Free markets only work under certain conditions. The right libertarian dictatorship in chile was a disaster until they, went back to the left. There is now extensive social work involved in dealing with the extreme poverty. Singpore, 60% need gov assistance to have a home. New zealand, they freed their markets and saw homelessness and poverty shoot up. Homelessness has been on the rise since all the political parties went neoliberal in the 80s. Right libertarians tend not to know about this stuf…
/r/MensRights31/01/18 12:49 PM
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Im ok. I have a home for the last 18 years and no debt.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 12:44 PM
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Exactly, so mens platforms that are about shutting down government spending are attacking the men in most need of help. Attacking the weakest and most vulernable, along with the perception we attack women, instead of the most powerful who are the cause of the problems will never fly with most people.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 12:21 PM
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Men are homeless because of artificial shortages and deregulation of various markets and cut backs on social spending. Minimum wage is no good when there arent enough jobs to go around, you seem to be suggesting condeming people without jobs to homelessness and starvation. You cant complain about being unfairly boxed off when you confirm the stereotype. You say minimum wage covers 4 walls and food. Thats not the case in countries further to the right where you have working people in homeless she…
/r/MensRights31/01/18 12:19 PM
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Then they wont bring the child to the doctor out of fear which puts the child in more danger.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 12:12 PM
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Must have been this source. http://content.digital.nhs.uk/article/7180/First-ever-annual-statistical-publication-for-FGM-shows-5700-newly-recorded-cases-during-2015-16 Come on, entrenched traditions dont end just because they are illegal. That just makes them more dangerous.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 12:10 PM
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I run into a lot of right libertarians and conservatives here - people that want to shut down any government involvement in helping the poor, weak, sick, homeless and so on, so the tax benefits can be passed on to the men at the very top. That is a very dishonerable and cowardly platform that gets protested and shut down.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 09:52 AM
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There is nothing new about this, elite women have been lecturing people about social behaviour for 100s of years, at least. I remember reading a story about the industrial revolution, one of the reasons the government stepped in and got women released from the coal mines was that posh women thought it was awful that everyone was in a state of undress in the hot mines and it just wasn't appropriate for women to be undressed around all these awful, sweaty, working class men (perhaps they were jeal…
/r/MensRights31/01/18 09:48 AM
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Criminalizing it doesn't end it. In the UK there are 8000 hospital submissions of botched, home fgm's every year, so boys are actually safer than girls in the UK. Criminalizing it just drives it under ground and makes it more dangerous. A non authoritarian approach would probably be better than the one the feminists took.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 09:26 AM
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If mras were more focused on working class issues - like ending homelessness and mass incarceration of black men in america, it wouldnt have an image problem. Fact is, so long as the economics and politics are right wing for a large group here - attacking the sick, the poor, the weak, women, the homeless, immigrants and not the powerful men on top - this movement will be seen as cowardly and dishonerable whether or not it kowtows to white elite feminism or not.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 09:21 AM
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All this conflation is easily avoided. Spend as much time worrying about the mass incarceration of working class men as we do the occasional university student being falsely accused as rape. Have some proper platforms - end homelessness. Stop posting links to media known to be linked to neo nazis and white supremacists - brietbart and milo for example. Anyhow, just because there is a minority cross over with the alt right doesn't mean the whole movement is tainted.
/r/MensRights31/01/18 09:16 AM
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2017/10/06/breitbart-emails-trace-neo-nazi-moves-of-steve-bannon-milo-yiannopoulos-report/#342c6f9b925c
/r/MensRights31/01/18 08:38 AM
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2017/10/06/breitbart-emails-trace-neo-nazi-moves-of-steve-bannon-milo-yiannopoulos-report/#342c6f9b925c
/r/MensRights31/01/18 08:37 AM
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No, these people support Clinton. She is far right by international standards. Its people on the extreme right that get protested while the left, you wont see them on tv and google blacklists all the left websites. Countries further to the left of the us have better outcomes. The things you are saying are very dishonorable and cowardly this is why the mrm has an image problem, right wingers attackin the weak, homeless, sick and the poor and women, but never the powerful men who are the real prob…
/r/MensRights30/01/18 10:11 PM
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You're not wrong about the parallels, but the thing to remember is that Communism is an ideology and something you choose to believe in. The ironic thing is that the very people who would have been hunted down during the cold war for their beliefs are now attacking men purely for how they are born. During the cold war they hunted down communists, the people attacking men are the neoliberal left and right, not communists and they are putting the male worker down, the very workers who used to vote…
/r/MensRights30/01/18 06:09 PM
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This, I think is because men and the mens movement were the workers union, and the powers that be don't want us organizing in the face of massive wealth redistribution up wards.
/r/MensRights30/01/18 06:08 PM
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Sorry I called you dishonerable, I though you were someone else. Unlike what's happening now? Fuck em! Let them fend for themselves. Well we do get protested in the basis of being far right. Socialist societies end up being terrible for men, and just lead us further towards Europe/ Canada and men turning into giant cucks. Europe is right center to farish right, Portugal just saved its economy from Europe's right wing cures by taking a good swing back left, but we are mostly stuck with austerity.…
/r/MensRights30/01/18 06:02 PM
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I think trump is threatening to pull out of these agreements to renegotiate them. At the same time I see him ending the clean air act, rolling back work place safey and reporting of injuries in dangerous jobs and tricking people with temporary tax breaks. I dont know if you read about the infrastructure corporate welfare scam. When they are gutting welfare for the poor and subsidizing the rich, its not a good sign. I do hope it turns out alright. Even if it means things having to get worse befor…
/r/MensRights30/01/18 04:14 PM
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No, homeless people are homeless because of artificial shortages and everyone should get the same health care. Slightly off topic, say we are a movement like you say it should be. Only fighting women and not powerful men, advocating doing nothing about homelessness, letting it get progressively worse and letting millions die needlessly and or in needless agony ... you will have a very dishonorable and unpopular movement on account of the dishonorable goals. People will see how dishonorable you a…
/r/MensRights30/01/18 04:01 PM
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Id be for free markets, limited state with protections against corporate / dominance while also housing and providing healthcare and education for everyone. Retaining some state controlled industry is also good for an economy. Communism would be no state, no money and so on. Pushing back against the far rights economic assault on men isnt communism, its just being smart.
/r/MensRights30/01/18 03:05 PM
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Id lean socialist libertarian, this movement has always been socialist - about workers rights, getting the homeless housed, anti war, pro work place safey in death jobs. We arent just a mirror image of feminist, all personal with no clue about politics and economics. We understand that the neoliberal left and neoliberal right are bad for men. We have plenty of evidence that modernism is a conservative movement designed to attack the average male worker. We also have plenty of evidence that conse…
/r/MensRights30/01/18 02:09 PM
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Milo linked himself by getting caught taking tips from neo nazi and white supremacist groups on how to write their messages into articles while still being able to publicly distance himself from them.
/r/MensRights30/01/18 02:01 PM
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This is the dumbing down of the electorate. One plutocrat can say im a feminist vote for me and another can get support for saying im not a feminist. Reality is policy, economics, not paying lipservice to a label.
/r/MensRights30/01/18 01:12 PM
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They house people with children first. A friend who was homeless was eventually given a house after he had a triple heart bypass, this was shortly after an old homeless man died near government buildings. The problem is funding. Politicians are treating a certain level of homelessness as normal, therefore nothing needs to be spent. New zealands prime minister got it right, after years of free market economics looking at the rise in.homelessness and poverty in nz she called it a blatant disaster …
/r/MensRights30/01/18 11:06 AM
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With increasing automation the role traditional marriage played isnt needed anymore anyway.
/r/MensRights30/01/18 11:00 AM
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Here, the predecessor of the cultural marxism conspiracy theory is cultural Bolshevism, which was promoted by hitler. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism
/r/MensRights30/01/18 10:53 AM
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Cultural marxism as we are calling leads back to the right wing and capitalism. Capitalist foundations funded and spread postmodernism, the frankfurt school does the opposite of what the right claim it does and those claims seem to have their roots in nazism. Cathrine mckinnion, who introduced gender is a social construct was funded by a counter marxist foundation. So we are mislabelling conservatism and counter marxist ideology as marxist. Marx wanted all of us to unite against the ruling class…
/r/MensRights30/01/18 10:42 AM
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This would be a good conservative strategy. Instead, replace the workers and right wing governments and heads of corporations with black women. Scapegoat average white men. This would save money in wages as well as protect the establishment. Looking at it like that explains the mystery as to why conservative interests have been backing this modern feminist thing all along.
/r/MensRights30/01/18 10:23 AM
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I dont think we should be atomatically embracing anyone that comes along and appears to be for men. Most in this movement don't want traditional conservatism, and far right economics is certainly bad for men. This movement started hero worshiping milo and that got us linked to to neonazis, fascism and white supremacy in the end. Im not saying JP is the same, but tread carefully. And the modern feminism thing, its a creation of conservatives and was backed by capitalists, none of these right wing…
/r/MensRights30/01/18 08:19 AM
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They are the neoliberal left, the left wing of the right. See the Soviet Union, or Cuba or modern Venezuela for further details These were communist and socialist systems, Venezuela was sabotaged and replaced with a right libertarian, neoliberal fascist dictatorship. Chavez was certainly a man of the people, Cuba put up a good fight, but couldn't function due to economic warfare, stalin was a nut job. We are talking about the neoliberal left, which is the left of the right, not socialism or comm…
/r/MensRights30/01/18 07:26 AM
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How can you know?
/r/MensRights30/01/18 07:23 AM
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Im not "a communism". Here, a lot of people think the neoliberal left is leftism and the far left and so on. Mixed markets, a blend of state and private controlled activity is best for men. Problem with the west is its too far right. Portugal just saved its economy with a swing to the left.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 11:23 PM
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No, I think men and everyone else fare better in mixed economies. Not everything to the left of the far right is communism. And all these conversations are political, we arent like feminists, there is more to politics than personal, identity issues.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 10:38 PM
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I can make judgements on what they think because I dont have access to them. Neither do you, we can only pretend to know. feminists get angry about stupid people blaming people after the fact, which is a fair enough part of their argument. People interviewed in prison couldnt remember anything about clothes but looked for submissive characteristics.. A strong predictor is having bad childhood experiences.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 09:12 PM
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Today he is spreading conspiracy theories about communists and redefining the neoliberal left as the far left. He promotes the idea that climate change science is wrong ... he scapegoats a religion and imaginary communists instead of telling people whats really going on.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 07:21 PM
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Im not a communist, not everything to the left of the far right is communism. Is there political or conservative? You mean said? Yeah, his example of what not to be was political, and his advice included husbands and wives and keeping traditional marriage going. Have you considered that you arent noticing the propaganda because it fits your own belief system?
/r/MensRights29/01/18 07:08 PM
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The example of the group pushing up against fascism, its an obvious political smear. Also, in lectures and print Jordan Peterson tells people the postmodernist intellectuals and feminism and so on are marxists. And once that jump is made theres another. Marxism always leads to Stalinism and that deaths during natural famines in communist countries were certainly intentional. Without any other context. In reality the postmodernist, french intellectuals like foucaul. were anti marxist and anti com…
/r/MensRights29/01/18 06:47 PM
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Far right political activism dressed up as self help. Prager University, social conservatism. This is politics for the lowest iq of the electorate. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/social-conservatives-have-a-lower-i-q-probably/ They dont think very much of us.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 06:17 PM
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I think moving the electorate out of the political and economic debate is the intentional creation of fake news. Fox, I don't view it as a news channel, I view it as fake news. They convinced a lot of their audience that they were under socialism and communism when obama was in charge ... its only pretending to be a news channel.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 06:14 PM
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You imply “corporate controlled” is in some way worse than “politician controlled”. Well, obviously. Once you step inside a corporation its a tyranny and you are less free, a democracy it is much freeer. State television in Europe is more balanced and free than the american media. Putin has praised the efficiency of the American propaganda system. The american propaganda system convinced a large number of people that they were living under socialism and communism when Obama was president. They t…
/r/MensRights29/01/18 05:20 PM
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The left is no longer even in the discussion. Google blacklists all the left wing sites, and you rarely find someone on the left being interviewed on television. Sanders, who is is a traditional social democrat, who would have been perfectly acceptable and normal in america decades ago, was given little to no coverage by the corporate media.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 05:13 PM
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News thats supposed to distract and confuse the electorate is fake.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 05:02 PM
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I'm not talking about people just following the ideology of the day. They have no idea what the real meaning of it is. There are cia quotes and declassified documents about the usefulness of feminism and post modernism for dividing and defeating the left. Corporations and politicians can pretend they are about equality by showing tokenism in government and jobs, while there is massive income inequality opening up.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 05:00 PM
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Thats not what it is. The neoliberal left hides what they really are behind identity politics, the neoliberal right claim to the antidote for neoliberal identity politics. When the real problem is neoliberalism itself.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 04:24 PM
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Yes of course, trump is only the front man. Obama was the previous front man in an increasingly corporate controlled government that screws the average people. Ok, trillions , yes that might well have been an unintentional overstatement. I will check sources.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 04:20 PM
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Ah ok, my mistake.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 04:08 PM
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I didnt hear that story, awful.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 04:08 PM
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The estate tax (I probably shouldn't have said property tax), trump gave trillions in breaks to the .01%, him and his friends and their kids (the only people that have estates).
/r/MensRights29/01/18 03:31 PM
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Are you talking about that far right conspiracy theory that jews are planning to replace westerners? If so I'll tell you few things that you aren't being told about. Wage suppression and wealth redistribution upward resulted in westerners being unable to afford children until later, this meant there was risk of demographic implosion and a tactic called "replacement migration" was used, to stop our systems collapsing. Immigrants were used to save the west from implosion due capitalism. Another po…
/r/MensRights29/01/18 03:28 PM
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What about the trillions in property tax breaks for the .01% thats added to the deficit, which is tax burden passed on to you. Now, if the rich get larger, permanent tax break, that means you get a larger share of the tax burden for you. Effectively, the cut is a wage increase, at least for 10 years. If you’re not getting wage increases, maybe you need to improve yourself with education, training, etc. People in general, have not been getting real wage increases, relative to productivity and inf…
/r/MensRights29/01/18 03:15 PM
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Look at the evidence for yourself. The capitalist class started funding postmodernism to split the left. Cathrine McKinnion, who is responsible for the rape harassment hysteria, eroding the presumption of innocence and gender is a social construct was funded by a counter marxist foundation called nation science foundation. Women were added as a minority to the civil rights act all the last bell, by conservatives and white feminist groups trying to derail the civil rights act. The equal rights am…
/r/MensRights29/01/18 02:50 PM
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Fake news. Real news would ask hard questions about the economy and politics the recent deregulating of the clean air act, making death jobs more dangerous, screwing the average people with the new tax bill etc. Things of importance.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 02:41 PM
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You are being lied to. Feminism and posttmodernism, thats capitalism - its used to divide the population, divide the left and attack men. The postmodern intellectuals were anti marxist and pro capitalism, thats why capitalist countries spread it in their schools. Marxism is something else, that involved uniting the population and getting a better deal from the 0.1% by taking collective ownership of resources and the means of production, worker unions, decent good wages and so on, but it doesn't …
/r/MensRights29/01/18 01:49 PM
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Going identity politics was the mainstream lefts abandonment of left wing politics and economics. It was the right co-opting the left. Bit of information about it here https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/15/why-the-cia-cares-about-marxism/
/r/MensRights29/01/18 12:59 PM
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Austerity measures related to healthcare are linked to 100s of 1000s of avoidable deaths in the uk, I would like to see how gendered that figure is. Agree. Healthcare for all.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 12:15 PM
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Late stage feminism.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 11:58 AM
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Cut backs in funding. Men have no lobby group and men tend to vote conservative more, so men tend to vote against men having access to free health care. Also gynocentricism and disposibility, politically its easier to target men with right wing economics.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 11:50 AM
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Mixed economies are more successful. Portugal just saved its economy with a big swing back left. The reason there is so much homelessness is being too far to the right. The reason the government cant afford to pay for things like proper health care is right wing cut backs. An economy with increasing levels of homelessness is a blatent failure. An economy in which people die needlessly for want of healthcare is a failure. The far right want us to live in African style free markets, all the wealth…
/r/MensRights29/01/18 11:11 AM
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Asking hard questions about policy, economics and so on would be real reporting. Fox has the appearance of a news channel but is really corporate run fake news.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 10:47 AM
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Its far right conspiracy theory that is in reality promoting fascism.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 10:45 AM
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Why is openly decrying socialism relevant when there are no socialist countries or socialist uprisings? The problem we face in the west is the rise of the far and radical right.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 10:44 AM
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Total fake news. Not asking hard questions about policy or anything real, just making out that outrage is the real news.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 10:41 AM
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To have a truly individualist society social bonds must be broken. Thats how I see it. Like the writers of the frankfurt school predicted, our social fabric would be torn apart in favour of the market. Also when the family divided it makes activism more difficult. Notice that the elite class maintain their extended families and class bonds. Extreme individualism is just for us.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 10:38 AM
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Thanks for the name, ill look him up. Yeah, I wonder if its chivalry related, that they cannot see it being done when its women.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 09:57 AM
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Depends on the strings attached, if I'm being tricked, paying more in the long run and have hd my wages stagnated for decades while the .01% have been making record profits, im not going to be happy am I?
/r/MensRights29/01/18 09:43 AM
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The wealthiest men are getting much richer, and the rest are getting poorer or staying the same. Its upward wealth redistribution. Thats why its beneficial to have women attacking and blaming average men. Traditionally the mens movement defended us from this sort of attack, unions, left wing politics and so on on, but now the mens movement is caught up in gender war, and feminists are scapegoating average men for problems created by men at the top.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 09:40 AM
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I think they dont want collective action against them. Through out the gender war, the elite have been making record gains for decades but its gone largly unchallenged. Too busy fighting about gender pay gap.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 09:20 PM
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I think banning transgender people from the military was just so the media could change the story to distract people away from anti war activism. And when he did that interview he was surrounded by willing women. No fan, im just putting some perspective on the idpl related outrage.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 09:01 PM
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The taxes for the average people are going up in ten years and trillions in tax burden has been passed on to the ordinary tax payer from the .01%. And workers are long overdue a raise. Our wages have been stagnated for decades while the top made record profits and wages. Look at all the men homeless and killing themselves because of money problems, while the top have made record gains.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 08:52 PM
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I see it more as the top setting it up like that. They know they are doing a number on working men, smashing the unions as so on, and they are making sure women dont get too hurt while men are being taken down. Anyhow, mixed market for women is good for men. Because we have wives, mothers, sisters and friends. Ive seen guys in the us near bankrupted before because of wives and mothers without health care. He ended up diverting his energy and productivity to that, he is still paying afaik. The ch…
/r/MensRights28/01/18 08:33 PM
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The elite wants to keep the average man down, thats the way its always been. I think there is truth in what you are saying though, what I believe is this. Traditionally working men voted left and know the right was against the working mans interest. So they made a fake left, one that attacks men, and present the far right as the answer to it. Getting men to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 08:29 PM
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Ive seen enough evidence to be comfortable enough in saying that modern feminism, patriarchy theory and gender wage gap are tools of the capitalist class and they are pointed at us. People that would otherwise be allies divided and fighing among themselves instead of making any sort of change.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 07:13 PM
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Lovely. Terrible whats been happening to men but great to have feminist dpp caught literally setting men up.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 07:04 PM
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There is class warfare being waged against men. By the neoliberal left and neoliberal right. The only reason we are all here is that. Its time we woke up and realised it.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 12:49 PM
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Its not irrelevant if the gender wage gap is a smokescreen for upward wealth redistribution. Which is the most likely explanation for it.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 12:47 PM
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The mens movement has always been left leaning and or socialist. Fact is, we cannot fix homelessness or any of the other mens rights problems without left leaning measures. The only reason men got decent wages and escaped extreme oppression in the first place was left wing activism.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 12:45 PM
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Imo the davos thing was throwing a bone to the alt right, and the mrm. But its just that, men stand to lose more rights and protections with the new admin.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 12:42 PM
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We can reward politicians like sanders who speak out against idpol and advocate for ordinary workers.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 12:40 PM
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Its a funding issue, and men more often tend to vote against healthcare funding and no longer have a lobby group for working men. I think men and women getting what they vote for plays a role in uneven treatment. I see it breaking down into mixed markets for women, free markets for men.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 12:37 PM
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Thats basically the same argument that feminists have been making.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 12:33 PM
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Public are being removed from any sort of serious political or economic debate with this feminism deception. When you think about it, its a kind of disenfranchisement - people on the neoliberal left end of things voting for people based on sex, skin colour and politicians saying divisive things about gender and race, and the people on the neoliberal right supporting politicians based on them saying other things and rejecting feminism. But very little discussion of policies or economics, so you g…
/r/MensRights28/01/18 10:56 AM
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Especially the .01%.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 09:17 AM
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The mens movement used to be about defending the population economically, then the elite decided to create modern feminism and set middle class women against working men.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 12:44 AM
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The gender war is a massive deception. A blind spot of the mens movement is treating it at face value.
/r/MensRights28/01/18 12:34 AM
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I dont think that idea will die easily, people make money and have put a lot of work into it. To publicly admit to getting it so wrong and to living in a pseudo reality would be unthinkable for most people. This youtube channel is decent at calling them out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCyAz_CFzyU This guy is great at destroying right libertarians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1lRSt5uDSA
/r/MensRights27/01/18 10:15 PM
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Their wage gap argument, when you look at it is a deeply capitalist ideology. It works off the false assumption that the natural state of being for men and women is competing for market share. The assumption that human life is about the market is neoliberalism, the over arching system we live in.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 09:49 PM
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Sorry, I had the impression you were arguing the right wing side of things, that poverty is down to personal responsibility and not class. When you put "structural poverty" in scare quotes. Like here when you said The more excuses we make for people who choose not to succeed, the less likely people are to reach for success. The right wing ideology that poverty is a choice and not systemic. and this, the sort of neoliberal capitalist mentality ophra winfree or whatever she calls herself and the l…
/r/MensRights27/01/18 06:54 PM
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Yeah, Sargon and right libertarians have no idea what they are supporting. They think the new "left" is the far left / communism, once they believe that nonsense they think they can be quite far to the right of the new left, without being far right. They have the benefit of only having feminists and sjw's as opponents too. Ultimately, right-libertarianism is only taken seriously because it is a useful weapon for the ruling class. It basically goes: socialism for us (the rich), free markets for e…
/r/MensRights27/01/18 06:31 PM
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There is a good video down at the bottom of this article that explains what these liberal politicians are really about. https://www.truthdig.com/articles/behind-mask-moderates/
/r/MensRights27/01/18 06:12 PM
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J Peterson seems to be telling people that the new left, the left wing of neoliberalism is marxist and always leads to stalinism and genocide.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 06:05 PM
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This is why I see him as dangerous, he can pull in moderate people while introducing them to far right conspiracy theories and directing them to extreme right economic sources while also giving the alt right are credible looking person to be associated with. And at the same time convincing people that left always leads to stalinism and genocide.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 05:41 PM
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I think that was black bloc, not feminists at about one min in. Anarchists, socialists and the like are not like feminists / sjw's - they can make arguments. When people on the left debate ancaps and conservatives etc, its the same sort of bloodbath you see when mra's debate feminists.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 04:58 PM
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Cunts calling cunts cunts. Speaking of expensive education, Swedens is totally privatized, state plays no role it, feminist madness. Modern feminism started out in expensive, private american schools.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 04:47 PM
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So you're saying that if we seize the means of production and send them all to the gulags, we can get rid of feminists, politicians, and corporate bosses in one fell swoop?
/r/MensRights27/01/18 04:35 PM
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It doesn't betray common sense if you think it of as a distraction. Getting the publics attention away from politics and economics.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 02:11 PM
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Where is the strawman? You say there is no such thing as systemic poverty, yet you used counter measures against systemic poverty to get leg up out of it, that people who fought for class issues, fought for you to get.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 01:33 PM
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The rest of us will simply think it’s ludicrous and bears no relation to the country in which we live, and might become irritated by the BBC forcing this PC social engineering down our throats at every possible opportunity. I don't see it like that. To me this stuff is simply telling us there is going to be a free market, one world situation where there are no boarders.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 12:23 PM
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The reason you got an education, is people paying tax which was then used to provide counter-measures against systemic poverty. Now you pretend you did it all yourself. And will argue that there is no need to pay tax to provide other people with the same advantage you got, because its down to personal responsibility.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 12:19 PM
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Naughty Mcdonalds minimum wage slaves, men make batter minimum wage slaves. /s
/r/MensRights27/01/18 11:31 AM
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See also: "Moving goal posts". No, you said you did it all yourself, but you used counter measures designed to offset systemic poverty. Opportunity is plentiful, it's our own failings which prevent us from seeing it. It's not a question of jobs, but rather that of need/want. Find your niche, make it happen, don't blame others for your failings. I agree, systemic poverty also exists, You are so focused on what everyone else has you can't see that it's irrelevant. So what if someone has more than …
/r/MensRights27/01/18 11:27 AM
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Yeah it would have been quicker for me if I had followed that sort of thing, I took the long way round though.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 10:31 AM
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If men vote right wing, its going to fuel the idea that men are responsible of everything thats wrong. For example, the trump vote seen as a white mens vote and lots of support from the mrm. Trump administration ends EPA clean air policy opposed by fossil fuel companies https://www.cbsnews.com/news/epa-clean-air-policy-trump-administration-fossil-fuel-companies/ So in few decades when the US is a free market shithole with unbreathable air and more poverty than there already is, men are going to …
/r/MensRights27/01/18 10:28 AM
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What if there had have been no state subsidized education or any of the other programs that address systemic poverty for you to use? Would it be possible for everyone born into the same situation to do what you did, or would the jobs not be plentiful enough? How much better would you have done had you been born rich? Would you have been that poor in the first place, were it not for systemic poverty?
/r/MensRights27/01/18 10:18 AM
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Thats a very biased, far right source but yeah. It was done to the jewish people, black men, and now men in general. I believe its political.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 10:05 AM
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I specified RIGHT libertarianism, which is central to the radical and alt right movement. Right libertarians want democratic government that serves the people gone, and a limited government that serves corporations instead. Right libertarianism uses the classic fascist move of dressing right wing dominance up in left wing terms. Its the same move that national socialism and national syndicalism under mussolini used, name themselves left wing, and then went out to destroy the mens movements. “One…
/r/MensRights27/01/18 09:51 AM
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Best interests of men are social, legal and economic. What we are fighting here is social, legal and economic assault via neoliberal feminism and the right of neoliberalism. And I dont think I have ever advocated socialism - its just a fact that left wing activism is the only thing that has improved life for men in the west, and the right are using feminism to attack men.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 09:45 AM
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Doesn't follow. People on the left like marx and engles, george orwell and nietzsche started the conversation about systemic brainwashing.
/r/MensRights27/01/18 09:43 AM
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Thats aligns with my understanding of what it means. I dont have any proof thats what it is, it just what makes sense.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 07:48 PM
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People have suspected that this was among the real agenda behind the wage gap lies all along. Suppressing wages.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:43 PM
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Obviously. If you think there is no such thing as structural poverty you don't know where you live.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:38 PM
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Well its true. Two kids, same potential, one born into a class that guarantees better nutrition, connections, education and opertunities. And the other born into the reverse. You are so brainwashed you cannot see what Im saying.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:33 PM
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Yeah - the establishment is running a distraction. They don't want people talking about what a failure neoliberalism is, rising homelessness, wealth redistribution upwards and so on.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:31 PM
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Yeah this is pretend equality. So long as we have female front people, equality has been reached! shush ... don't mention the wealth redistribution upwards.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:29 PM
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But I'm the brainwashed one for advocating personal responsibility and agency. I advocate that too. There is also a class system, where some people are born with strong advantages and others with strong disadvantages, even in terms of nutrition. Measures like universal education help level the playing field. You have being brain washed to believe that the outcomes are due to the peoples own faults.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:23 PM
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No, its ideology - like the ruling class teaching the pesants that they poor because of their sin. It distracts people from structural poverty, and wealth redistribution upwards. Like feminists, they are manipulated by capitalist ideology too.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:18 PM
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Yeah, its you. You are reciting capitalist ideology to a tee.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:10 PM
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Conservatives are the more extreme form of neoliberalism than the left of neoliberalism. 120,000 deaths in UK from health care cut backs, 1 in 7 broke due to neoliberalism in the uk.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:08 PM
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For practical concerns it doesn't matter if the deaths Stalin caused we're accidental or on purpose, the source of his behavior is the same. No its not. His advisors wanted him to get 250,000 tractors in the rush to modernize and rebuild russia after it was destroyed after ww1 and before the next famine struck. Its unclear to what extent that the west were sabotaging that effort though sanctions at the time, there were trade blocks which hindered modernization. And Stalin was an egotist and was …
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:02 PM
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This is the brainwashing. Wealth is being redistributed up wards, the game is rigged and they are telling people its their own fault.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:01 PM
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Im not talking about a persecution complex. If you are born structurally disadvantaged you are structurally disadvantaged, positive thinking will help you overcome it if you are exceptional. You might even do as well as an average person born into different circumstancs. Its a neoliberal thing, to make people believe that poverty is the responsibility the people that are born into it. Singapore, is a freeer economy so most people struggle to make ends need, part of the capitalist ideology they a…
/r/MensRights26/01/18 05:45 PM
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Thanks
/r/MensRights26/01/18 05:06 PM
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To me, peterson is far right because he repeats far right conspiracy theories and directs people to buy a book from a far right source. Anyone who does a little digging can find out that the postmodernist intellectuals were pro free markets, anti marxist and anti communist, and that gender studies was funded by capitalist organizations.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 03:21 PM
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But only for the working people. Those in the ruling class are careful to maintain their extended families, collectivism and class interests.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 02:25 PM
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I heard there are a few twists and turns in the new tax bill and that eventually a high % of people are going to get pushed up a bracket. I think the system is to an extent intentionally insulating women from the economic warfare being waged against working men. On the bright side, the worse it gets the closer people get to waking up and doing something about it.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 02:23 PM
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I struggled for years. Eventually the answers were simple, stop caring about the things that were making me unhappy. Stop thinking the thoughts that were making me unhappy. Accept the things I cant change. Thing is its easy to say, learning how is different and takes time.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 01:44 PM
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The hallmark of neoliberal social change and equality is sterile symbolism and words, while their politicians are blatantly capitalist. If these activists were not being tied up in useless activism they would be pointed in the direction of universal education and health care. Instead they are brainwashed into believing that sort of stuff makes a difference.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 01:36 PM
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There is something called reverse narcissism. Thats not a criticism or a negative label, it just means that sometimes we can believe that noone experiences what we do. And of course thats a very lonely position. The reality is human experience is generally common, and we experience the same things, but more often in different contexts and with different triggers. For the reactive things you describe like being bullied and that changing your outlook, if it can go one direction its also possible t…
/r/MensRights26/01/18 12:19 PM
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There is an actual problem but its to do with class, and black men can often be born into a class that doesnt have much opportunity. This whole feminist thing is supposed to take the focus off class action and turn it into saying things about race and gender, scapegoating men and not actually changing anything.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 11:26 AM
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So neoliberal, take a stand against social issues by doing nothing that changes anything. Yet they believe they are involved in some sort of activism.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 11:16 AM
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Is that not the tabloid press lying? The daily mail are going to be running lots of outrage because a study has recently shown 1 in 7 people are chronically broke.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 11:12 AM
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And on the other side of the coin men get involved in defending themselves against feminists and are being lead to believe the problem is marxism. What a mess!
/r/MensRights26/01/18 11:06 AM
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Im.not hard left at all. Im critical of the far right of this movement repeating conspiracy theories and supporting economics that are bad for men.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 09:06 AM
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That makes no sense. Whats wrong with calling the far right the far right?
/r/MensRights26/01/18 08:58 AM
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Yeah, its a total fascist move, finding a scapegoat and blaming them.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 11:16 PM
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That was years ago, he has since called out idpol. They know the far right are manipulating young men because the new left went right wing, embraced idpol and dropped average peoples politics for right wing economics, thats why corbyn and sanders are speaking against it. Jumping to the far right is even worse than staying with neoliberal idpol. 7 in 10 british people are broke, 100s 1000s have died from cutbacks to healthcare due to right wing economics, have some sense of proportion. And when p…
/r/MensRights25/01/18 10:58 PM
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There is no known corrolation with clothes, there is the conservative believe that clothes are what makes it happen and its the persons own fault because they wore the wrong clothes.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 10:56 PM
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Fucked, blaming all white men for the WASP establishments crimes. Thats some neoliberal idpol right there, scapegoating instead of blaming the real culprits.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 09:48 PM
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Speaking of guilt by association. Have you noticed the argument he makes - he conflates neoliberal postmodernism, which is capitalist, with marxism, then he leaps from there to Stalin, who is regarded as an blight on marxism, and starts talking about x bazillion intentional deaths and makes out there is a risk of stalinism happening again. When its unknown and controversial whether those deaths were intentional or not. It looks a lot like fearmongering and manipulation, a reductio ad stalinum fa…
/r/MensRights25/01/18 08:45 PM
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You are taking about voting for more extreme neoliberalism though.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 08:42 PM
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Your really unfairly type casting the guy and his supporter, some are far right, but far from all. Jordan is not far right himself. The conspiracy theories he is promoting are far right, he recommends people read a book from an extreme right, hand everything, even the public roads over to billionaires group. Do you have a better suggestion? Its obvious sanders and corbyn have called to end idpol. The actual left views idpol, correctly as the neoliberal right. Do you want to sell your country out…
/r/MensRights25/01/18 08:18 PM
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There, this is what neoliberal idpol and conservative policy has done in the UK Seven in 10 UK workers are 'chronically broke', study finds https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jan/25/uk-workers-chronically-broke-study-economic-insecurity
/r/MensRights25/01/18 08:14 PM
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I want someone who will stand up to the war on men and the war on free speech, won't destroy the social safety net, and woulf have the popular enough support to actually win. If peterson is a shill the far right, and repeating far right conspiracy theories and his support base are largely far right and he's leading people to vote far right, because of non existent marxist threat I don't think you get those things. I understand as a Marxist he makes you uncomfortable, Im not a marxist. This movem…
/r/MensRights25/01/18 08:10 PM
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Jp and ks have it wrong. There is no marxist threat, the threat is the far right and right libertarianism, the neoliberal left that jp and ks misidentify is capitalist. The claim that universities were taken over by marxists is absurd on its face. The foundations that promoted and spread womens studies and so on are capitalist foundations. Why would western capitalist foundations start spreading marxism in their own countries at the end of the cold war? They wouldnt. There is no movement to take…
/r/MensRights25/01/18 07:42 PM
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Approach with caution, read the critiques too. It isn't any secret to people that are into that side of things that postmodernism is a capitalist ideology and not a marxist one. He gets taken apart by the left the same way he can take neoliberal feminist journalists apart. Its easy to think our shit dont stink when we are in a bubble debating feminists, but outside of that its a different world. Peterson traces the dangers of postmodernism to a place of ill repute: Paris. In particular, the Écol…
/r/MensRights25/01/18 05:48 PM
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They semi socialist indian state of kerala is already creating something superiour, with decentralized state power and looks like its lined up to be a center for sustainable development innovation.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 05:03 PM
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Get really creative. We lived for a long time without wage and property rights slavery in the past. Look at tribal collectives, thats a very nice life for them, only working short days and the work is done communally and without stress.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 04:59 PM
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Idpol is nearly dead, and the other right, the openly conservative is nearly dead too. Voters are going to kill them both off and improve their lives by rewarding politicians like corbyn.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 04:44 PM
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Well yeah, but it would be worse if they went ahead with gearhearts holocaust because the powers that be don't want to share the robots productivity with men!
/r/MensRights25/01/18 03:35 PM
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Its some book from an ayn rand styled group. Ill get you more info later.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 03:32 PM
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I dont see it like that because most men are cogs in the machine just doing. Creativity and human potential is locked in by the daily grind for most people.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 02:26 PM
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Im not either, my schooling was more traditional, uniform and so on. I think American style is even harder to see because its presented as freedom and individualism and chose this, chose that.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 02:23 PM
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Lol.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 01:17 PM
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I was more thinking of marx prediction, that industrialization and automation would lead to the end of capitalism and the state would just fade away and die.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 01:16 PM
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Automation might be what they need to unplug from the matrix. If they can see the end of capitalism happening around them they should be able to start imagining something else.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 01:14 PM
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I really struggled with capitalist conscionsness, I couldnt believe that everyone was willing going through all this stuff and that everyone thought spending most of childhood sitting in rows being indoctrinated was normal and being good.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 01:07 PM
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Full communism or realize the "the future is female" as in a sally gearheart style holocaust! Yeah, well it was predicted a long time ago that capitalism would become redundant and be replaced. Question is utopia or dystopia.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 01:00 PM
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People have to to stay on the ball, do you see the way the article assumes that the goal is everyone working and lots of people not having jobs due to automation is a problem? Its not, productivity from the automation can be passed on to the people, who did the real work in getting us this far. Wages can go up, or working weeks can go down. If we are not smart all the losses while be passed on to the people and all the benefits will be gained by the top.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 09:22 AM
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Have you ever watched ancaps and right libertarians debating, not people like me ... people that really know what they are on about, like real anarchists, socialists and or marxists. If you think jordan peterson debating random journalists and feminists is a blood bath, you should see that. You're confused. Public sector jobs are not productive, because they're employed by funds acquired by force. Doesn't follow. A countries oil acquired by private individuals forcing open markets and maintainin…
/r/MensRights25/01/18 08:50 AM
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Its all relative, we laugh at our clever people dismantling journalists and random feminists strawman arguments and other people dismantle our clever peoples arguments and strawmen. Peterson traces the dangers of postmodernism to a place of ill repute: Paris. In particular, the École Normale Supérieure, a centuries-old university founded to realize the ideals of the Enlightenment. That sinister institution was where Jacques Derrida and Michel Foucault got their start as students of philosophy, i…
/r/MensRights24/01/18 10:38 PM
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Don't think I post pro feminist trash, they are not good for men, like this far right shit. I just don't think we should be blindly repeating things that aren't true and false stats either.
/r/MensRights24/01/18 09:07 PM
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You left out some important context. Kerala has an issue with too much education equality, working class jobs aren't filled because educated people don't want to do them and there are high levels of education, so there is a shortage of people to do working class jobs. So they use migrant workers for neighboring states, and it ends up with people leaving to look for work in the fields they are educated in. Kerala also has a comparatively low GDP, GDP isn't a good way of measuring a country, all t…
/r/MensRights24/01/18 08:38 PM
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Neoliberalism and neoliberal idpol is ideology for economic libertarianism. Free markets, including a free market in labour. Muslims are being used as scapegoats, thats what fascists do when there is disenfranchisment and alienation due to capitalism. So to avoid a socialist revolution, they can redirect the explain the problem by stirring up resentment towards immigrants, jews or whatever the case many be. What they don't want is people actually turning to the capitalist masters or government a…
/r/MensRights24/01/18 06:44 PM
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Nope. You're just playing accountant. You don't need to be an accountant to know that. Build infrastructure, build schools, hospitals, employ staff, employ civil servants creates more middle and working class jobs. More middle class jobs, more jobs for working class people in construction and electrical work and so on. Stop all that activity and you have an african, or latin america free market basket case with growth that doesn't improve until they swing to the left. Not regardless of the manne…
/r/MensRights24/01/18 06:20 PM
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The american spectrum shifted right in the 1970s. So its an augmented spectrum, if you like. https://www.quora.com/Politics-How-different-is-right-and-left-in-the-United-States-from-Europe
/r/MensRights24/01/18 04:52 PM
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Given the ever increasing number of links to and support for fascism here, and the posters having no idea that it is fascism ... it is a relevant point.
/r/MensRights24/01/18 04:51 PM
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The american political spectrum is around a quarter of the size of the actual chart. And that chart has an up down axis that runs libertarian to aothoritarian, so there is plenty of room for fascists pretending to anarchists (ancap).
/r/MensRights24/01/18 04:37 PM
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He recommends a book from a far right group near every lecture.
/r/MensRights24/01/18 04:32 PM
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Why would western countries and capitalist interests fund and install marxism all over the west, in the latter stages of the cold war? The whole reason the cia and capitalist foundation front groups were interested in post modernism was that the postmodernist intellectuals were pro.america, pro free markets and Adam Smith and anti marxist and anti soviet union. The west basically appropriated postmodernism and created a new left that basically dismantled the left. https://www.counterpunch.org/20…
/r/MensRights24/01/18 08:17 AM
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Of course government spending reduces poverty, more middle class jobs, less poverty, more middle class jobs, more business opertuinity for working class people. More education, more opertuinity, more health care fitter for work. Free market magic, doesn't work, and other countries are figuring that out. https://www.worldcrunch.com/business-finance/portugal39s-economic-miracle-makes-a-case-against-austerity Right libertarians arent allowed to use force to defend themselves against corporate maste…
/r/MensRights24/01/18 08:13 AM
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Portugal just saved its economy with a big swing to the left, the problem with knowing whether or not socialism worse is that the socialist countries were typically sabotaged and replaced with right libertarian fascist dictatorships. So we don't have a lot socialist economies to look at. I think the best option is a mixed market. https://www.ft.com/content/ea7f2a22-4219-11e7-82b6-896b95f30f58
/r/MensRights23/01/18 11:01 PM
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Chances are still pretty slim.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 10:55 PM
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I'm not sure what you define as socialism. Bernie Sanders was defined as socialist in the states but he is a traditional social democrat.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 10:54 PM
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The libertarian axis is the up / down axis. The libertarian thing is corrupt cronyism, its a billionaire and big business funded government take over.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 10:50 PM
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Using idpol as a cover doesn't mean they have not been involved in privatization, deregulation, "freeing" markets (Libya) and so on. They are pro globalism (which is basically freeing international markets).
/r/MensRights23/01/18 10:16 PM
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That was trump before the election, on the campaign trail he was pretending to be a traditional soc dem, for the little guy and so on. I think he drifted more to the right later on. Where do you think Clinton is yourself?
/r/MensRights23/01/18 10:09 PM
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Guy totally took the piss out of mike. Did mike fall for that or is it edited to make him look like he didnt know what was going on?
/r/MensRights23/01/18 09:56 PM
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What are the odds of that?
/r/MensRights23/01/18 09:56 PM
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Everyone already knows there are actresses who did it. And the article says he was trading sex for roles. I think the movement is already discrediting itself. The horrible thing is the problems in hollywood with kids got over shadowed by these celebrity adult women.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 09:33 PM
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Well, I dont agree, imagine an sjw who says, conservative = nazi germany = holocaust = x million dead. And framing neoliberal idpol as the far left, he must know thats incorrect.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 09:08 PM
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https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
/r/MensRights23/01/18 09:05 PM
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His support base, right libertarians, far right ... I know he doesn't approve of them but I've met people that believe in a jewish conspiracy to replace westerners on the jordanpaterson forum, the KEK / pepe the frog types. Repetition of alt right propaganda like reframing neoliberal idpol as the far left.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 08:56 PM
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He doesn't think much of pc either https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dNbWGaaxWM
/r/MensRights23/01/18 06:50 PM
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The concept that that taxing corporations, the ultrarich and royalty is "theft" is something that is promoted by the right libertarian movement, which ignores the theft and murder by those people. The mens movement and the left struck a deal with those that stole all the wealth in the first place - you have to give something back to ease the suffering that its causing, and pay decent wages. Since the 1980s the ultrarich have been renaging on the deal, getting better and better tax breaks for the…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 06:42 PM
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Its a documentary too, this is just 6 min clip of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ch5ZCGi0PQ
/r/MensRights23/01/18 06:34 PM
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It seems a little unfair to attribute causality for those deaths to the right wingers. Its knowingly killing people. Of course they know if health services are limited people are going to die. Should left wingers get the blame for all the crime committed by the children of single moms? The welfare state feeds people who would other wise starve in developed capitalist countries, crime is linked to lack of opportunity and being housed in densely populated areas. The lower classes are put in that p…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 06:14 PM
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Im not politically literate, but I'm politically literate enough to know neoliberal idpol isn't the far left, and that right libertarianism isn't in the best interests of the average guy. Stoking fear of "mass murder"? Right libertarians want to shut down affordable health care, universal health care and welfare and no limits in wealth redistribution upwards. If health care and welfare are shut down, cut back - it kills people. The right in the UK is linked to 120,000 deaths because of their cut…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 05:52 PM
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Can you elaborate a little? I would agree that neo-liberal idpol is a species of fascism because it pretends to be left but is right wing, but I think the alt right, far right, right libertarian end of things are too - just more overt and dangerous.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 05:46 PM
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Far right and fascism aren't the same. Fascism is government control of everything. The far right is a push towards individual freedom and smaller government. This is the exact opposite of fascism. Fascism is about state corporatism. The right libertarian movement we are seeing was started off in the fascist, free market dictatorships in latin america. A hall mark of fascism is giving itself names associated with the political left. “One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, …
/r/MensRights23/01/18 05:43 PM
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I think he is too close to the alt right , milo and fascist crowd to be viable for us. Its not smart for a mens movement to be working against its own economic interests.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 04:47 PM
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How do you explain the post modernists being counter marxist and pro free market capitalism?
/r/MensRights23/01/18 04:45 PM
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The problem with is this is that its a narrative that can be pulled apart. I'll start. I think his attacking Marxism and post-modernism is a stroke of genius. Postmodernist intellectials were for free market capitalism, against marxism. This is why western capitalist interests funded it spread it around, its counter marxism. Neoliberal identity politics is supported by liberal politicans who are right center, or far right like clinton. Peterson studied political science and must know that. It ge…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 04:31 PM
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The idea of dominant classes oppressing others long predates marx. Dominant classes have been oppressing other groups for a long time, which why people like marx talked about it. The reason people are talking about fascism is because the far right and fascism are on the rise. The potusa retweeted a uk fascist groups propaganda recently, milo was caught working on including crypto neonazi language into at least one of his articles there is the alt right, right libertarian and ancap movements. Peo…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 03:54 PM
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Exactly - a government invasion, government theft of land, and a government war created a problem, exacerbated by people living in conditions worse than those in slums immigrating. Clearly what they needed was more people advocating government control and violence. Its the same thing thats going on there today, its a free market and other governments are pumping out the oil and paying little of nothing back in to improve the lot of the average people. British made a fortune out of selling proper…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 01:21 PM
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60% get housing subsidies, and 4/5ths is owned by the government - that's not the same as 60% need them or else they'd be on the street, so when you say: What would happen if the subsidies were taken away and the government didn't build social housing? Social welfare and public housing and things like that are counter measures against revolution. here never was a time in modern history when housing there wasn't run by the government, so when you say: I see that, under colonial capitalism the Bri…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 12:31 PM
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I never mentioned evenly distributing the ceo's salary. What has been happening that corporations have been making record profits. CEOs have been getting record pay. The workers, who do the actual work, their wages have been stagnating since the 1980s. And when a worker is used to operate a machine, say the machine he opperates multiplies the suplus he produces x10, but he is not given much if any of that extra surplus he produces, the ceos and corporations are pocketing it. As well as that a si…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 11:54 AM
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Mra's in the past have made fuss out of remakes of films with female leads and there is a lot of "first world outrage" type stuff that gets posted here. So think that every time someone does something like this we will be blamed.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 11:29 AM
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When it comes to children, they are innocent and naive. Easily persuaded and physically weak compared to an adult. They look up to adults and will take anything they say as truth. So the rape of a child is sickening and cowardly. People that have suffered child abuse are more likely to be targeted as adults, so they already have ptsd or trauma of some kind and predators can see the vulnerability. RESULTS: Approximately 17% of women reported a history of any form of child abuse: 8.9% reported CSA…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 11:24 AM
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So these slaves are getting paid all they are worth? They build a $700 phone for 2 dollars but in reality its not them that are giving most of the value to the phone. Its some ceo, who never even touched one, who is in reality worth 250k a year that is giving it more value. Odd system.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 10:59 AM
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I'm not. Do a quick google search, when labour (uk) and liberal democrats (us) dropped workers rights and swapped it for neoliberal idpol is when they embraced neoliberalism. Here is Ben Norton on idopl = neoliberalism. https://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/ Marxist paper of the allience between post modernism and neoliberalism. http://www.imavo.be/vmt/13214-van%20Zon%20postmodernism.pdf Cia paper on how the postmodernist left intellectuals embraced free market eco…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 10:53 AM
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With the exception of child rape, which can have obvious scarring effects on mental and emotional development, the rape of a grown woman is unacceptable, but fairly easily overcome. Have you got a source for this claim? You said you were beaten up, not raped. If you were raped would it have been the same thing as being beaten up? What about a guy whos genetic and social set up left him less resiliant and suffered ptsd for years after getting the same beating up. What Im get at is you don't know …
/r/MensRights23/01/18 10:23 AM
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The value of their labour and the value of the results of their labour aren't the same thing. The workers who built my £1,000 iPhone X probably only got pennies for building it, despite the end value being so high. This is because their labour is of low value, No, this is because they are being exploited and used as slaves, largely in countries that have been plunged into poverty by years of capitalist exploitation. Is building a phone in the US worth pennies a day? So how can their labour reall…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 10:18 AM
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This is the sort of thing that can make a real difference for men.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 09:30 AM
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They are the left wing of the neoliberal movement, right wing economically while paying lip service to distractionary and divisive social issues, while scapegoating men in place of capitalism.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 09:29 AM
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Workers produced some of the value, and they get paid for that. It's just usually the % value contribution of workers is much lower than that of the business creators / owners. If that wasn't true the workers would earn more. haha. No, a capitalist can buy pile of ingredients, which on their own have no real use, just a pile of junk. Its the workers who put it together and give in any value or usefulness. If I tell you to make an ommlet, and you make it, which one of us made breakfast? And face …
/r/MensRights23/01/18 09:24 AM
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Right libertarianism cancer ... same source as feminism and was launched in puppet fascist dictatorships in latin american but is marketed as freedom. Right libertarianism is right neoliberalism, liberals are the left of neoliberalism. They are two sides of the same coin. I thought I was red pilled but what is seen in the mrm as a red pill is another blue pill. Slavoj Zizek is pretty good for getting red pilled, I recommend a perverts guide to ideology. Oh and the left and marxists ... they don'…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 09:14 AM
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If the far right win this, and people lose the right to protest fascists crypto, or otherwise we are in trouble. A big step backwards regarding free speech. A lot of politically illiterate young men are getting manipulated by the far right libertarian movement, who have no idea what they are really getting into. They think its something rebellious and grass roots, they are lied to about neoliberal idpol being the far left, but really its being funded by billionaires and its a long term project t…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 09:07 AM
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The wider point is why politicians distract us with the gender wage gap, and capitalist interests started spreading modern feminism in the first place. Yeah, american listed corporations are drawing oil and other resources out of a lot of poor countries, which are tied up in free market agreements that prohibit or limit government spending on developing the economy in a way that would limit poverty, and the benefits that are there go to the 1%. And those countries are already ravaged by earlier …
/r/MensRights23/01/18 08:50 AM
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Because the post modern intellectuals were against marxism and pro-free market capitalism. The west would never have installed marxism in its own schools, and these post modernist studies classes have no negative impact on capitalism whatsoever. The cia and capitalist foundations funded and spread because it wasn't a threat to the capitalist system and it divided the left.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 08:37 AM
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That did not happen in Singapore - you are lying. Well, I was reading articles a few years ago about the plight of the working poor in Singapore, 60% not being paid enough to make ends meet and needing housing supplements from the government. Now articles are saying 90% of the housing is social housing. This is back when I put a lot of research into the neoliberal movement, right libertarianism and its counter part neoliberal identity politics. Its not that different from the free markets of the…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 08:34 AM
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No they didn't. The workers did that. And the 1% profit off things likes stealing all the oil out of other countries, not paying tax to those countries while the people in those countries go hungry.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 08:29 AM
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Capitalist front groups are credited with funded postmodern social science / gender studies in its entirety, by sources on the left and right. There is even a cia paper about how useful postmodernism is as a counter marxist tool.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 11:55 PM
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Same argument the anti choice crowd make in reverse, if you didnt want a baby ya should have kept etc... Fact is women have total choice, and because of that they only have children by choice. So if they are intending on starting a family, they should get consent first or at least make the man aware that they would go ahead and start a family, without his consent so he can make an informed decision. This way there would be fewer children out there bearing the pain of not being wanted. Women with…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 11:49 PM
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Capitalist interests funded and basically created modern social science, so they have a lot of control over the direction it takes. One very interesting story is this. The national science foundation was interested in the cold war, staying ahead of the left. Modern feminism is largely based around Cathrine McKinnions work and theories. Her phd was a critique is Marx and the idea that social class is a social construct, and the social construct of gender should be focused on instead. She also dev…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 11:35 PM
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Old femra debate post here. "Toxic masculinity" is often tossed around as an example of harmful or misguided feminist theory (commonly in a distorted, misinterpreted form) by MRAs. I was recently even told that the term is an insidious propaganda technique attempting to falsely associate men with negativity. In debating the issue I've started to research the term's history, with rather interesting results. Most surprisingly, the phrase doesn't appear to have been developed as feminist theory. Ra…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 11:27 PM
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People misunderstand stoicism. Stoicism involves processing hard and painful emotions bravely, and avoinding them is weakness. Like this The Bamboo that bends is stronger than the Oak that resists. - Japanese Proverb
/r/MensRights22/01/18 11:23 PM
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Tax isn't communism. Not allowing corporate masters to steal all the resources and wealth from a country is just being smart. Why be lumbered with a big tax burden just for them? The founding fathers of the US said the working men shouldnt be disarmed as a deterant to would be masters (this came from Karl Marx), and you right libertarians have come along and neutered yourselves by believing that the working man should never force the masters (while the masters are happy to use force). Which is a…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 10:49 PM
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Your labour is yours, if you give someone 8 hour work of labour and they take 90% of the surplus you produced they took a large share of something of yours. Or they took from you in more subtle ways like giving you a greater share of the tax burden by giving great tax breaks to the ultraweathy. Not adjusting your wages in line with productivity, so you are helping produce more profit, but not getting a raise, while those at the top are getting the raises out of the profits you helped create. Or,…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 10:37 PM
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We are going back to the 1800s, economically and socially.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 09:48 PM
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Ok. My view is that the larger context is subterfuge and subversion of the left and anti war activism, by shifting the focus away from anti war activism, to how women are victimized by war, but that these feminists dont know thats what their job really is. "Gender inequality is magnified in situations of war, and women are disproportionately disadvantaged in terms of personal safety, access to resources, and human rights. Villages or areas where the men have been killed are more vulerable, for e…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 09:43 PM
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Society? The only people Ive heard relegating fathers to the role of baby sitter are mothers.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 09:33 PM
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Look at your last stupid answer. I talked about labour market deregulation, which includes using relaxed immigration politics to flood the market with new labour, in order to suppress the workers wages. You said labour market deregulation was the wrong answer and that labour supply was the right one.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 09:22 PM
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The correct answer was that the primary driving force behind wages is the supply and demand of labor. Thats only one aspect of de-regulating the labour market - increasing the supply of labour by relaxing immigration to flood the market - which causes more competition for jobs and allows employers to drop their wages, and increase the profits at the top. There are many other aspects of labour market deregulation.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 09:20 PM
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I used to buy into the right libertarian stuff thats going around the mens movement. I looked into it a bit more, saw the rebuttles, examples of what happens to men in right libertarian economies, looked at the economic outcomes of the neoliberal movement across the west, found out what real libertarian means. Found out the right libertarian movement just took the words "libertarian" and "anarchy"and used to them to house an ideology thats really about extreme corporate dominance and so on. I di…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 09:11 PM
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Or in other words, you are making the exact point I said you were making. No. Dealing with americans in the right often like dealing with people that have been through gender studies indoctrination. Fallacious and dishonest argumentation all the way.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:44 PM
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Wages are affected by labour market deregulation, there has been downward pressure on wages, while at the same time generous tax breaks are being given to the top, which increases the tax burden of the 99%. In smaller companies, such as start ups, people will take lower wages to get a better pay off later.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:41 PM
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IDK, you have lost me a little with the intersectionality thing, dont know enough about it to talk about it. I take close the gender wage gap to mean get more productivity out of the population, get women competing with men as if men and women are market competitors. Changing the relationship between men and women from collaborator to market competitor, inline with free market logic.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:37 PM
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Explaining that politicians and so on talking about the gender wage gap are obscuring the reality that the corporate masters (.01%) and the rest of the 1% are making record gains while everyone else is stagnating = communism. How did you arrive at that conclusion?
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:29 PM
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I'm saying politicians, media and so on are lying about the gender wage gap and would be activists are taught to focus on gender wage gap in universities to disguise the real wage gap that the mens movement used to fight against. The wider context of that being record levels of wealth re-distribution upwards which is giving rise to a lot of problems for men, suicide, homelessness, destruction in divorce because there is not enough to split in half. And class warfare in the shape of wage suppress…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:16 PM
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All words are made up.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:06 PM
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Yeah, class privilege. The difference between the guy asleep on the street and woman of his class are social safety nets.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:04 PM
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Ah yeah, mises institute, propaganda bought and paid for by billionaires.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:57 PM
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You aren't educated, not on this topic anyway. You just repeat propaganda.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:55 PM
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Authoritarianism and wealth redistribution have destroyed many countries, while economicly independent ones flourish. It is not in the interest of men's rights or anyone's rights to advocate failed economic policies. This is a nonsene argument, the west did perfectly fine when men were getting a better share of the productivity. Linking that to stalin and communism is just like the arguments feminists are given to make, bullshit and fallacious. And you left out important context. Countries that …
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:51 PM
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No Im not talking about globally. Im talking the elite who are making record gains in wages and corporate profits while everyone else gets worse off or stays basically the same. That goes for the 1% of other countries too, countries tied up in free market deals that drain the wealth up and out of the country.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:44 PM
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Marxist economics. Marxist economics comes from the ideas of a philosopher named Karl Marx applied to economics. ... Marx wanted this to be a tool for the working class (the proletariat) to use to overthrow capitalism and replace it with socialism, then with communism. Marxist economics - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_economics
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:42 PM
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Why do you think it should be adjusted? Because corporate profits and wages at the top have been making all time gains for decades, while men have been falling behind and we are the mens movement and we should be looking out for men. Because redistributing wealth from the have nots to the haves drives homelessness, suicide, divorce destruction, makes it harder for men to get health care and safety nets. Because the more tax breaks you get for the 1% the larger your tax bill. And “There’s class w…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:34 PM
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You have no idea what you are on about.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:29 PM
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Exactly.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:29 PM
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It doesn't challenge anything he said, so its totally biased. I'd love to see peterson up against heavy weights on the left Chomsky or Zizek although they would probably agree with much of what he says about postmodernism, and neoliberal identity politics, they would also pull him up on some of the claims he makes. These talking head news presenters just parrot corporate feminist talking points so aren't any sort of a challenge. Well, the challenge they present is their dishonest tactics but tha…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:20 PM
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Yeah, well you have basically said the same thing. There isn't any known connection to clothes - when convicted ones were asked they had no idea about the clothes and they said they were looking submissive qualities. You basically believe that rape victims walked around naked behave and like the asking for it to rediculious extremes in your analogy.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:13 PM
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All right. So let's pretend, for a second, that the greed of the one-percenters is the only factor keeping you from getting a "fair wage" (as determined by you, who knows nothing about the finances of any of the companies you are talking about). Thats not really what I said so I can't really play along with your analogy.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:47 PM
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You have no idea what you are talking about, neoliberal identity politics is playing lip service to divisive social issues, while being neoliberal capitalist. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:44 PM
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Yes, because they've been using automation that they've funded the research, development, and production of. I'm not arguing against my own wages. I'm arguing explicitly FOR my own wages. A company going under that employs me means I don't get paid. How ridiculous you sound, corporate profits and wages for the 1% have been at record gains for decades. But you think you should argue to keep your wages at 1980s levels, with no adjustment for inflation or productivity. Its the largest wealth redist…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:38 PM
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ol! Dope! Capitalism is an economic model. Communism is a government model. They are both economic models you dope. Communism (done properly) means the state eventually withers away and dies, the communist indian state had a smaller government than the capitalist states. I cant really be debating with you because you have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:31 PM
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Yeah, there is an all out attack on male workers and the mens labour movement. Socially, legally and economically. And its coming from inside the mens movement too.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:17 PM
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I'm sorry that's too complicated for you. A business must turn a profit in order to continue paying it's employees. The top have been making record gains for decades, while not raising wages inline with productivity or inflation. You should see how you guys look, arguing against your own wages. Even after I've shown you why politicians lie to us about wage gap.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:16 PM
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India is a communist state and a capitalist state. India has many states, one of them is / was communist and out performed and was less authoritarian than the others, you dope.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:13 PM
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That was a socialist march that was laden with identity politics. Neoliberal identity politics isn't socialism. Its neoliberal capitalist ideology, funded by capitalist foundations and used against the left.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:08 PM
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At the rate they are paying people today, yes. That wasn't the case before, workers wages went up inline with corporate productivity and inflation in the past. Wages have been stagnating for decades while the top have exploding theirs by pocketing the savings.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:08 PM
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India has a communist state which produced better outcomes and is less authoratarian than the capitalist states. All the other socialist countries were intentionally sabotaged with economic warfare and eventually they were over thrown and replaced with right libertarian, fascist dictatorships. This is context that you need to know before you make the sort of arguments you are making.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:03 PM
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If capitalism is unregulated, and corporations have the same rights as humans, the corporation gets to dance among humans, or an elephant dancing among the chickens. Using economic theory; capital argues for a weak state. This line is one that could take us back to the "night watchman" state of the last century, a "laissez-faire" situation that Charles Dickens described as: "Every man for himself, as the elephant said when he danced among the chickens". http://www.angelfire.com/ma/rank/tedw.html
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:01 PM
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But it has no real value, its just corporate propaganda and distractions.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:57 PM
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You can tell the socialists (erm, “woman’s march”) marched yesterday. They aren't socialists, they vote for right center to far right neoliberal politicians that pay lip service to social issues and trick people into believing the real gap is the gender wage gap, and not the massive wealth re-distrubtion of wealth upwards that they are assisting with. I can't really get too into a debate with you because you don't know the difference between socialism and neoliberal capitalism, sorry.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:53 PM
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"Free Market Propaganda", also known as "understanding Economics". No, the imf who have been imposing free market ideology for decades are admitting it doesn't work as its supposed to. Your employer isn't forcing your wage/salary on you. You agreed to work for that amount, and they agreed to pay you that amount. If you think your company isn't paying you enough, ask for a raise. If they refuse, quit. Wages are as low as they are because there are more than enough people willing to work for compa…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:51 PM
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Thank you :)
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:39 PM
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Thanks. I dont know know why there is so much resistance to it.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:38 PM
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If the elves rejected industrialization they rejected wage slavery and corporate masters in favor of self sufficiency. The totalitarians in the story were the analogy for the right wing, orcs and the dominating wizard.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:32 PM
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Brainwashed by corporate propaganda, like free market outlets. Ayn Rand was much more direct, and hilarious spending her life railing against what eventually allowed her shelter and medical care at the end of her life.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:26 PM
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No. This is free market propaganda. Pointing out that men are long over due a pay rise isn't theft. Explaining why politicians keep misdirecting us with gender wage gap isn't wrong. They take as much of your productivity as possible, while paying you as little of your own productivity as possible, as well as take as much of the countries wealth in oil and so on for themselves, as possible. They didn't create any wealth, its the workers that actually do that. And they use ideology to brain wash p…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:22 PM
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Things of value are things of value. All the junk media, corporate media news and clicks for profit, paper trading, entertainment private interests taking a nations oil ... none of this is valuable to humanity.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:20 PM
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One of the dirty tricks used against Sanders - Jessica Valenti was paid to write a hit piece about sanders. In true feminist style she took something he said out of context and used to create a misogny narrative.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:18 PM
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Up until the 1980s it did, america is going backwards. Investigated by the UN for problems only seen on third world countries. Worse mortality rates of the western world. Crumbling infrastructure. A push to kill the little help there is for those that cant afford healthcare, a push to end social welfare.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:14 PM
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Explaining why politicians are lying about the gender wage gap and pointing out men are long over due a wage = communism. Great thinking there.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:12 PM
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The elite don't create the wealth. The workers do. Capital, in the first place is stolen from ordinary people, then ordinary people are used to carry out the work.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:10 PM
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Of course, the current increase in productivity isn't related to workers or their skills, but technology and machinery which the 1% paid for. Which the workers invented and build. And even after we gave them this technology, they didn't reduce hours or put up wages. And there is more to it than that, deregulation of the labour market suppresses wages, which is something some of the billionaire class push for.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:09 PM
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Explaining why politicians keep lying to us about the gender and showing men are long over due a pay rise = communism. Great logic. Something thats often mislabelled communism, the welfare state system improved mens rights, wages, mortality rate, homelessness, access to healthcare and helps stabilize economies and economic growth.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:04 PM
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Context is important. Those people in their 50s have an advantage. They bought property and stocks at levels that would have protected them from negative equity produced by unregulated boom / bust capitalism. Im not as old as that and my house is paid for and never seen negative equity, a young guy starting out today has little chance of finishing college, starting a job and then buying a house, like people in their 50s could 25 years ago. And they had decades of working with higher levels of pa…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:01 PM
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Yeah, it would stop the "elephant dancing with the chickens " effect.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 02:27 PM
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They attacked Bernie Sanders and the feminist end of labour attecked corbyn though, tending to support the more right wing candidates of their respective parties.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 02:24 PM
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Isn't true, but you absolutely can't counter. I did counter it. You are politically illiterate. Fascism is right wing response to unions, socialists and communists. Your statements and information are so inaccurate they don't qualify as points.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 02:22 PM
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Which is a much smaller % of productivity than it was in the past.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 02:20 PM
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Yeah, the sjw's support right center liberal politicians, therefore they aren't left at all.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 02:19 PM
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But upward wealth distribution is great! Its amazing how americans have been turned around from the working class should never to disarmed to any use of force by the working class to limit upward wealth redistribution is down the barrel of a gun and shouldn't happening. A total subversion of the origional american spirit. They are eroding limits on upward wealth redistribution in Europe too though.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 02:13 PM
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Your points are stupid, fascism was born out of anti socialist, pro-capitalist movements designed to destroy popular mens movements. The communist state in india debunks all the other claims you made.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 01:54 PM
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You just repeated propaganda that isn't true. I showed you a communist state that debunked everything you asserted.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 01:52 PM
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Socialism led to fascism like this. Socialist governments being over thrown by US interests and being replaced by fascist, free market dictatorship. European fascist movements dressing themselves up in names like national socialism and national syndicalism while attacking unions, unionists, socialists and communists. Right libertarianism dressing itself up as libertarian and anarchy, while attacking anything that limits wealth redistribution up and corporate power. Neoliberal politicians taking …
/r/MensRights22/01/18 01:47 PM
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Freeer market economies have less entrepreneurs because of less money and more risk to the general population. What they do do, however, is to generate the tax revenue which the government uses to pay for lazy, useless socialists who sit around whining all day. You are an idiot, we have no socialist countries or socialist governments. And government spending boosts economies and makes most men better off.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 01:40 PM
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What she knew was that they were starting to shut down the mens rights success of the past and start eroding the health care system and giving the savings to the aristocracy and corporations. Which is kiillng people, driving suicide rates and homelessness, it damages economic growth too. Landmark study links Tory austerity to 120,000 deaths http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-study-report-people-die-social-care-government-policy-a8057306.html
/r/MensRights22/01/18 01:38 PM
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Yeah, totally brainwashed.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 01:34 PM
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Fallacious argument.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 01:33 PM
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People at the top tend not to provide value, they steal our wealth and live off that. Its the workers that do all the real work and create value with their labour. At the top end you have the financial industry, online clicking industry, entertainment industry, corporate monopolies on national resources and lots of other useless stuff that provides nothing of real value.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 01:12 PM
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They take from all of us. Some reasons for that disparity. Cut backs on social housing, to pass the tax breaks up which increases homelessness. Unregulated property markets and suppressed wages, causing property market inflation and ruinous divorce settlements, and drives homelessness. Less money in the middle and lower classes, disenfranchising most men and making the economy less stable and more sluggish. Private interests taking all the profit from nations oil reserves. Using men as war machi…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 01:08 PM
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Look at this folks. Its bad for men to negotiate a better deal in the face of decades of economic dis-enfranchisment, shouldnt really be bringing it up - the right wing of the mrm. Conservatives, the same crowd that derailed the civil rights act and empowered white feminism by getting women included as a minority.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 12:45 PM
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He's not wrong, he stops short. The alienation of young men is multi pronged, its economic, social and legal. Right center neoliberals / feminists etc look after all three, everything to the right of that is extreme economic alienation.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 12:36 PM
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How about this instead. Get some balls and go after real power and the real wage gap. We already have privatized gulags, they are generally only for the poor class though.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 12:32 PM
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Here we go, name calling in lieu of an argument.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 12:31 PM
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Again, you're talking about a social service, a nationalised service - any changes while keeping it nationalised will give you that result - that's not a failing of capitalism or the government. If it was private these problems wouldn't exist, cutting government spending should be the aim, not increasing it. Thats all free market ideology, cut any measures that circulate more money and wellbeing to the lower and middle class while passing the tax savings on to the rich. Then men experience more …
/r/MensRights22/01/18 12:25 PM
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The mrm has tainted itself too, and there are elements of truth to the feminists accusations. The red pill ideology's past connection to the mrm, and I remember when the slut walk first started up this forum was pretty busy with right wingers talking about how people get themselves raped. None the less, they will use the smear tactics anyway. Bernie Sanders and his supporters got the same treatment from the right wing of the liberal democrats and the feminist support base.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 11:54 AM
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Similar thing happened to the civil rights act. A racist, conservative senator and white feminists got women included at the last moment, which derailed black men.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 11:51 AM
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In Denmark we have a public education system and we also allow privately owned schools as long as they follow some societal guidelines. Mixed market always seems to the better idea. They have also been driving homelessness up with liberalization of the housing market, in Sweden. I think its the same in Denmark.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 11:24 AM
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They have handed their schools over to private interests, which explains the level of feminist indoctrination and support of liberalized labour markets (mass immigration). Liberalisation policies have been backed by previous social democratic governments as well as the current centre-right government. Certain areas make Sweden stand out in the crowd, in particular labour migration, the country's publicly funded, privately managed free schools, and the deregulated railroad. Sweden's regulations o…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 11:10 AM
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And or more powerful people are being protected behind a smoke screen. Like how gender wage gap protects politicians and corporations from real wealth inequality discussion.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 10:48 AM
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Obviously Sweden is wrong in many ways - but other nordic countries are leading the way for economic systems, quality of life for men and gender equality.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 10:43 AM
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Got to hand it to her for never being afraid of controversy and saying the most contrarian things. And behind all this Harvey whatshisname stuff is what Cory Feldman has been talking about for years.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 10:29 AM
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Neither of those things happened in Singapore. In this case you are lying, twice in the same sentence. In a freeer market factors that inhibit wealth redistribution upwards and increase workers power are removed, thats part of what is called deregulation - labour market deregulation, the word flexibility is used to. Labour market deregulation, ‘flexibility’ and innovation Abstract Labour ‘flexibility’ is often portrayed as important to competitive success. Using evidence from an original survey …
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:48 AM
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A way to get a whole family supported in exchange for 30 hours of labour.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:41 AM
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i can answer better than you just did, and back up what I'm saying. Health services fail because the right wants to cut funding so more tax breaks can be given to people that don't need universal healthcare. Landmark study links Tory austerity to 120,000 deaths http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-study-report-people-die-social-care-government-policy-a8057306.html Critics hold SAPs responsible for much of the economic stagnation that has occurred in borrowing countries.…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:33 AM
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You have less freedoms inside a corporate structure than you do in a democracy. Right libertarianism results in less freedom because it mean everything is corporate owned and controlled and any use of force by the population to defend themselves from corporations is deemed wrong. Its not the same thing as libertarian, where the state and corporations are both ended or limited. “One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had capt…
/r/MensRights21/01/18 11:48 PM
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Its like a trojan horse in the movement, like feminism was for the left.
/r/MensRights21/01/18 11:33 PM
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There is a lot of scapegoating and misdirection going on. Men, women, patriarchy, gynocentrism, government, "leftists, "the jews", refugees ...
/r/MensRights21/01/18 10:53 PM
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You're just assuming that there was one, and stating it as fact. When wages aren't covering living expenses for 60% of the population due to wealth redistribution upwards, the government has to do something to avoid the system collapsing and or a rebellion. In capitalist systems policies that counter wealth redistribution upwards are inevitable, unless you use force to keep the people down. People in singapre are psychologically beaten down anyway, they believe money problems are down to not tak…
/r/MensRights21/01/18 10:10 PM
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National socialism is fascism. Fascists use left wing terms to exploit and control popular mens movements rebellion against capitalism. This is why the Nazis weren't actually socialists, but the name socialist was useful. Mussolini overcame a syndicalist revolution with "National syndicalism" which conserved the corporate masters positions by controlling the grass roots rebellion. Both movements stopped popular mens movements to overthrow their capitalist masters. Right libertarianism did the sa…
/r/MensRights21/01/18 09:56 PM
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The right are systematically cutting back on heathcare funding, services then cannot cope and that kills people. Then they say its proof that universame healthcare doesn't work. Its willful killing to profit those at the top. the armed forces have slaughtered our own populace that parallels communism And nazism (a form of capitalism). The right libertarian capitalist take overs of venesuela, chile and various other latin american countries - violent suppression and mass murder. Virtually all war…
/r/MensRights21/01/18 09:48 PM
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The future is female come from a call for male holocaust.
/r/MensRights21/01/18 09:40 PM
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Or 15 hour weeks ...
/r/MensRights21/01/18 08:56 PM
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Capitalism is only 200 years old. For most of our existence we have lived collectively and never had property rights ... so rent and mortgages were never an issue.
/r/MensRights20/01/18 08:21 PM
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Poe Troll
/r/MensRights20/01/18 06:18 PM
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it takes a courageous man to do something about it. Fighting the power at the top, the neoliberal movement, right libertarianism, upwards wealth redistribution - whatever you want to call it is courageous. Trying to leave others without health care or being bitter because we all chip in to make sure everyone gets the health care they need, thats just being weak and petty, and attacking a soft target imo. Anyhow, this whole anti health care anti welfare movement in the states, 1 - its going to ki…
/r/MensRights20/01/18 05:02 PM
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this is income redistribution a major Marxist plank This has nothing to do with marxism. Since the 1980s, there is been the largest income redistribution in history. From the have nots to the haves. Women using more health care (which all men that have women in their lives benefit from, mothers, sisters, girlfriends, wives). Is just a drop in the ocean by comparison. 25 graphics showing upward redistribution of income and wealth in USA since 1979 https://rwer.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/25-graphics…
/r/MensRights20/01/18 04:56 PM
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“One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had captured a crucial word from the enemy . . . ‘Libertarians’ . . . had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over...” ― Murray N. Rothbard, The Betrayal Of The American Right I think the left went really, really wrong with the attack on the family.…
/r/MensRights20/01/18 02:33 PM
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I should stress that this has only been happening since the 60s-70s, when the Ford/Rockefeller foundations took over the left. Where did you get this? I thought was the lone voice here on that a year ago, now there are others. Anyhow. This is where I think the mainstream left turned right and men started getting fucked economically. In the United States, the word "libertarian" has become associated with right-libertarianism after Murray Rothbard and Karl Hess reached out to the New Left in the 1…
/r/MensRights20/01/18 02:10 PM
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All the time, in all cases? When the King of England was executed, the republic that followed lasted 11 years before a return to the monarchy that has lasted for hundreds of years. They had the church, violence and the conservative population to back them up ... and the population were superstitious and beaten down. It doesn't mean we should just bow down and not stand up for ourselves though.
/r/MensRights20/01/18 02:02 PM
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Thanks for this. I think there is a tendency among some mra's to dogmatically follow anyone that speaks up for men or repeats warren farrels arguments. Milo for example, and that lead to disrepute. Im not saying Peterson would lead us into disrepute, though. That nonsense about his followers going on and on about Stalin 100 years ago, while leaving out capitalisms track record, and all the lives the left saved with welfare and healthcare and decent wages, I suspect that this is a fear mongering …
/r/MensRights20/01/18 01:45 PM
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Doesn't make sense because keeping the house was hard work back then. Sounds like the establishment were trying to get more productivity and profit out of the population through what media brainwashing and universities replaced, the church. Here, when the government wanted to get women working (1980s) they used shame too, telling them they were a drain on the economy and so on. Mother had the various modern conveniences but the house work and working part time was hard work.
/r/MensRights20/01/18 01:19 PM
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Ok, before you go, can you show where you imagine they are in the political spectrum? Bear in mind the dot that represents trump was during the campaign when he was pretending to be much further left than he is. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
/r/MensRights20/01/18 12:58 PM
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At least you're admitting that it's just your own guess. But since the government owns 4/5 of the housing, I don't know how much more control over rent and the housing market the government of The government built the housing to avoid a collapse of the system. You know that when a country uses its oil to improve life for its own people and if that leader won't budge in order to free the market they assassinate or invade that country to free its market (which really means expand global oil and ot…
/r/MensRights20/01/18 12:48 PM
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Is this an admission that there never was a free-market-induced housing crisis in Singapore that forced the government to start providing housing, and that was a lie? There is a housing crisis in all countries that embraced free market ideas, I don't believe singpores housing crisis is not related to wage suppression and a lack of rent and housing market controls. Its would be different if singapore was an exception. These two statement together show that you have no idea what the term 'free mar…
/r/MensRights20/01/18 10:59 AM
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White women were added because a conservative wanted to sabotage the civil rights act. Because white women are a much larger group than black men, surely most of the benefits would go to them, they certainly dominated the conversation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_W._Smith
/r/MensRights20/01/18 10:56 AM
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It was a conservative racist that was trying to undermine the civil rights act who arranged that scam. Two days before the vote, Smith offered an amendment to insert "sex" after the word "religion" as a protected class of Title VII of the Act. The Congressional Record shows Smith made serious arguments, voicing concerns that white women would suffer greater discrimination without a protection for gender.[5] Liberals, who knew Smith was hostile to civil rights for blacks, assumed that he was doin…
/r/MensRights20/01/18 10:53 AM
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And whats the excuse for Chile and New Zealand? According to a study conducted by the Ministry for Social Development in 2011, 77 per cent of Chile’s homeless population have jobs, yet struggle to afford accommodation in one of South America’s most economically developed nations. https://www.equaltimes.org/chile-in-work-but-without-shelter?lang=en#.WmMTxpOMjq0 Im not making things up the British claimed property rights here, so they owned all the land and everything that grew on it. The populati…
/r/MensRights20/01/18 10:06 AM
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There is nothing new about about, itsused to black people, Irish, for some its muslims, its just the system scapegoating a new group.
/r/MensRights20/01/18 09:48 AM
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There is nothing new about about, its used to be black people, Irish, for some its muslims, its just the system scapegoating a new group.
/r/MensRights20/01/18 09:48 AM
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They were funded and promoted by western capitalist interests, they are there to conserve the status quo and attack organized revolution (the mens liberation and labour movements). Nothing radical about that.
/r/MensRights20/01/18 09:46 AM
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What free market? Scratch that, what market? Housing has been a government near-monopoly since before Singapore had more than a few villages. Again, this 'free market hellhole' situation only ever existed in your head. In a free market, private interests can declare all land that property rights haven't been claimed on theirs. We have the situation with land monopolies because the free market, not in spite of it. Thats why we pay such high costs just to sleep in some property. New Zealand and ev…
/r/MensRights20/01/18 09:41 AM
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Sure, but you haven't even been able to show that Singapore's housing situation originated with anything like a free market. And new zealands free market ferver sending people in to poverty and exploding the homeless rate. Freemarket - 80% getting less well off, 20% getting more well off leads to housing problems. Chile or any of the latin american free markets didn't turn the population into homeowners, they just ended up with more extreme poverty and shit wages. You literally made up a situati…
/r/MensRights20/01/18 09:13 AM
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Communism is supposed to have no state, so i can use the argument you are, there is no true communism, if you point to stalin, in say that stalin was a right wing version of communism, and not communism at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism And no stealing. When you forcibly take something from someone that's stealing. Like big capitalists do with all the oil and other resources around the world. They only call it stealing if the people want back what they stole from them.
/r/MensRights20/01/18 09:10 AM
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I know, Im saying the right libertarian religion has replaced christianity for them. Conservatives support freedom of speech, while liberals are trying to restrict it. Thats only far right and neo nazi elements that are getting protested, which is far enough. People protecting themselves and their economy, if the right win and we lose the right to protest again, then we are trouble. And its the left wing that get actually censored. Bernie Sanders during his campaign and the left wing media . htt…
/r/MensRights20/01/18 09:09 AM
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Good call. Changing nothing while scapegoating a group isn't radical, its business as usual for the establishment. Great video down at the bottom of this that explains what these liberal politicians are really about. https://www.truthdig.com/articles/behind-mask-moderates/
/r/MensRights19/01/18 11:12 PM
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Countries that embrace free market ideology end up with more homeless and more poor. Singapore isn't isolated. But you can find an excuse for every free market failure on propaganda sites paid for by billionaires, that are then treated like gospel. Sure, capitalist colonization and property rights drives up property prices because a small group of individuals are stealing all the property via property rights and that creates an artifical shortage, then its rented back and sold back to the people…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 11:03 PM
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Its widely known that freeer markets are shit for most people in them. Honk Kong, New zealand and every other country that moved to freeer markets has the same problem with widening poverty and people less and less able to afford housing. The news doesn't seem to be filtering through to americans yet, but I dont think facts can effect the devotion to the ideology. Chile was able to turn its growth upwards and start to deal with poverty once it turned away from free market ideas. Portugal has jus…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 09:42 PM
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Yeah, we don't want american right libertarianism, its the new christianity for conservatives and its shit for most people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUs_Q_rfl9I
/r/MensRights19/01/18 09:34 PM
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The mens movement isn't classical liberalism. At least its not that right libertarian / neoliberal movement, thats shit for men and has a lot to do with the problems men have today. Men need equal access to education regsrdless of class, that means direct investment in education. Same with homelessness, we need to move away for classical liberal economics fix that. Same with jobs, we need to go back to creating well paid, secure jobs.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 09:13 PM
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You are just falling back on free market dogma. Most people got priced out the housing market, wages aren't good enough, the government had two choices, let the system fail or provide housing. All free economies end up having to provide for the poor. What else can you expect from constant wealth redistribution up wards? One country has a socialist prime minister - well that convinces me! Freeer markets are corralated with rises in homelessness and poverty, its been happening all over the west fo…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:58 PM
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Capitalism is 20 million in starvation alone a year, its not just the poor countries that they are raping any more. They are trying to eliminate welfare in western countries so people will be starving in the west too. Then there are all the wars. Then there are the historic genocides. Anyhow, Stalin is complicated, it doesnt look like the intention was to starve people, while capitalist interests certainly do it intentionally.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:48 PM
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So you understand that just because the government supports housing, that doesn't mean that everyone who uses it would otherwise be homeless. So why doesn't that apply to Singapore? Because they are different economies, you are describing welfare for the well off in the US. I am describing measures taken to avoid a severe homeless problem in an advanced free market aka an economy where most people don't do well so a small elite can do better. The figures for people who cannot otherwise house the…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:43 PM
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Yeah, all the evidence that the right created modern feminism to use the split the left. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:26 PM
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Do you mean center of the political spectrum as in Bernie Sanders or center of the right like Obama? You are a poe troll anyway.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:24 PM
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And the US is already being investigated by the UN for extreme poverty. Pence, trump and ryan are far right - they will gut health care and welfare let millions die.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:08 PM
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Would you accept the same argument from a communist? Communism doesn't kill people, communism is just sharing? Capitalism does kill people, the only reason we don't have a lot of needless deaths and starvation in the west is health care and welfare, and the capitalists, who are turning on their own populations want that gone.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:06 PM
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Even if your percentage was right (and it isn't) Yeah sorry, its 80% https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21724856-subsidies-are-irresistiblebut-come-social-controls-why-80-singaporeans-live does that mean that they'd all be homeless without it? That figure is around 60% - 60% that couldn't afford rent with out it. No. For the most part it would just mean that there would be a larger market for private housing. This is a freeer economy, there isn't exacly lots of people that can afford property, …
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:03 PM
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That's a fallacy and doesn't address what I say: even though number of socialist countries is/was small, they managed to starve more people. No they didn't. You get the exceptions, like Stalinist Russia, that had a natural famine, and China that had the same problem and a huge population. More often it been capitalist countries sabotaging and trying to create food shortages in socialist countries, but the people did't starve. The US eventually won and turned the countries into free market dicato…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 07:58 PM
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In germany there was great anti capitalist sentiment too after the crash. Socialist revolution was possible, when that happens it can go one of two ways, socialist revolution or dressing capitalism up as anti capitalist. Similar thing happened in the US, there was sanders and trump - both with anti capitalist, help the ordinary people platforms. One was genuine, the other was a charlatan. Hitler While Hitler may have co-opted elements of this language when it was politically expedient, they are …
/r/MensRights19/01/18 07:36 PM
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Because most countries are capitalist, yes. Although even smaller number of countries is "socialist", they have managed to starve more people. No they haven't. There are more socialist countries that havn't starved people than ones that have. And all socialist countries are targeted with economic warfare and food shortage creation by capitalist countries. Capitalism starves more people, 20 million a year. What? Jesus... Yeah, that was the excuse for a total trade ban. But if they didn't want to …
/r/MensRights19/01/18 07:26 PM
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90% of people in singapore live in housing built by and subsidized by the government. Its a freeer economy so the number of working poor is larger than the US.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 07:21 PM
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its been long known, its only since right libertarians have been re writing history has the "nazis were socialists" thing come up. And right libertarianism is similar to national socialism and national national syndicalism in that its the far right, dressed up in appropriated terms that origionated on the left.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 07:15 PM
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As usual, bad left-wing ideas are just relabeled right-wing to absolve your religion of responsibility. No, stalin was a lunatic egotist. Its the other way round. In order to subvert syndicalism National syndicalism, was used by european fascist movements, in order to defeat the left, the cia and ford foundation used postmodernist social sciences. The terms anarchy and libertarian were appropriated too. In order to subvert socialism in germany, national socialism was used. It's like saying that …
/r/MensRights19/01/18 07:05 PM
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And what do we replace it with - let me guess - ancap, right libertarianism or some other fascism in disguise? Liberalism got us out from under the heel of the church and the monarchs, got us good wages, access to healtcare and so on. The problem is neoliberalism, the resurgence of classical economics from the past that don't work the way they are said to and the rights appropriation of postmodernism and modern feminism which are used as a weapon.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 06:59 PM
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I haven't seen him do any of these things. Because of the smoke screen of the media and misdirection with controversial tweets and so on. Who are these extremist loons you speak of, anyway? Mike Pence, Paul Ryan - the far right who used to be the loonies in the corner have now taken over. In the same way the loonies took the feminist movement over. The US is fucked. When they gut health care and social security a lot of people are going to die. And the US is already being investigate by the US f…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 06:50 PM
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People have already totaled up deaths in the name of capitalism. 1.6 billion is one estimate, 250,000,000 is another. This country 1.5 million, US 9.5 million and many more once they gut heath care, plus all the military killed and all the wars and food shortages caused by intervention overseas.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 06:47 PM
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Pinochet - Right wing Dictator of Chile. Actually improved the life of his citizens and over all was well regarded and liked by the people. Well, there is more to it than that, there is a lot of right wing propaganda surrounding that. They dont tell you the socialist system that went before was sabotaged economically for years so the people were kept in poverty. That the economy only really showed growth after it moved away from free market dogma. That people who were campaigning for decent wage…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 06:45 PM
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So people you don't like got to pick a name for themselves, and you're still mad about that. :( No, the right dress up in left wing terms. eg. national socialism, national national syndicalism, anarchist capitalism, right libertarianism. And your mirror image keeps pointing out that whenever the government gains power it uses that power to hurt men. No, men got better wages, better health care and so on via using government. In small government systems men are worse off. 60% of men in singapore …
/r/MensRights19/01/18 06:30 PM
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How does Capitalism Kill? Do people march out in the name of Capitalism and murder people like they have done with Socialism and Communism? Yeah, the military does it all time, same with the terror groups that are being used to further capitalism. The Group Think of Socialism/Communism is a far greater danger than the Individualistic Principles Capitalism Capitalism is more dangerous. They have turned on their own populations now, in the UK 100,000 of thousands die needlessly due to cut backs in…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 06:24 PM
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We are taking about capitalism and free market ideas. Not the pie in the sky, pure free market fairy tale. To bad their Laissez-Faire economic Ideas can't work when there is Government intervention and restrictions in place. Its cannot survive with out government, thats why they want government to intervene with property rights. The same things happened with the British Government and India. Government intervention caused the problem, not a free market. The British claimed property rights over t…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 06:20 PM
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Sure, but its not controversial that fascism is capitalism dressed up in left wing terminology, or that hitler was out to destroy communism. The far right did it with libertarian and anarchy too. One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had captured a crucial word from the enemy . . . ‘Libertarians’ . . . had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the co…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 06:14 PM
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Pretty sure you do. No. I know from track records and logic that its stupid for men who are already suffering economic stress due to right wing policies to push for those policies to get more extreme than they all ready are. For you, as with feminists, words have to mean what you want them to mean or you don't even have an argument. Other way round, the right dressed corporate tyranny up as the left. “One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, …
/r/MensRights19/01/18 06:10 PM
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He is surrounded by extremist loons. And eroding work place safety laws, stopping people suing private elderly homes because their relatives have been abused, eroding the right to take class action suits against corporations is some free market extremism, imo.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 06:06 PM
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Bunch of lies. Sure we have Trump and far right loonies wanting to tear up all anti pollution regulations for sort term profit, but Hillary Clintion is one of them.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:58 PM
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This is great to see it coming apart at the seems. Streisand effect.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:55 PM
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Stalin was Communist and is by and far that is regarded as the Political and Economic Left. He's regarded are a right wing perversion of the left, and an egotist lunatic. Which is how many exactly? Cite your sources. Couldn't add it up. Approx 20 million starve to death a year needlessly. Another large group die for want of cheap meds. Then there are all the wars, drone strikes, funding and arming terror groups, selling arms to allies like the saudis that are committing mass murder. Its a huge n…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:46 PM
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Sure. But western countries information outlets aren't going to add up all the deaths for us.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:43 PM
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You are up to your eyeballs in propaganda. The right libertarian fascist dictatorships in latin america were not socialist. They were puppet dictatorships put in place of socialist systems that had faced years of intentional sabotage and economic warfare.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:41 PM
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Im not in a ism. I don't subscribe to any one thing. I like to point out to right libertarians that they are being lied to. I like to it with feminists too. Right libertarians have to ignore the fact their ideology is repeatedly debunked in failed economies with mass and or extreme poverty. They also have to believe an invisible hand will provide the paradise of economic freedom. They also have to ignore the fact that the terms libertarian and anarchy were appropriated by their movement, and use…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:26 PM
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Thats a misrepresentation. Its not controversial that fascism is capitalist behind the scenes. Even if I lie and say the nazis where in fact socialists - capitalism still kills far more people.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:25 PM
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Fascism is about heading off a socialist revolution in the face of anti capitalist sentiment. You can get the people to redirect their anger and energy into blaming a scapegoat group and working well hard for nation. Were the right libertarian fascist dictatorships in latin america somehow, socialist? Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce[3] that came to …
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:24 PM
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Remind me about the large scale natural famines that happened in XX century and beyond which was NOT under socialist regimes. Basically all starvation in the world today is in capitalist countries. Famines in african free markets, where US corporations take the resources out while putting little to no taxes back in for example. In 2005, free market dogma stopped the government giving out free food to the starving. Are we about to see a repeat disaster? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:23 PM
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Its blatantly obvious our sources are lying by omission. Throughout Russian history famines and droughts have been a common feature, often resulting in humanitarian crises traceable to political or economic instability, poor policy, environmental issues and war. Droughts and famines in Russia and the Soviet Union tended to occur fairly regularly, with famine occurring every 10–13 years and droughts every five to seven years. Golubev and Dronin distinguish three types of drought according to prod…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:10 PM
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Thatcher and Reagan were front people for the promoting it in the west. There is more to the story behind the scenes though.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:03 PM
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I am calm.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 05:02 PM
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Better source here on how the nazis weren't socialists. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/11655230/Hitler-was-not-a-socialist-even-if-he-did-stash-champagne.html
/r/MensRights19/01/18 12:09 PM
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LInked article isn't too bad (given expected bias), but attributing nazi Germany deaths (by national SOCIALISTS) to "capitalism" is a dirty trick. No, not knowing the dirty trick that fascism is corporatism dressed up in left wing clothes is not understanding fascism. The nazis went out to destroy communism.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 12:05 PM
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haha! Not if you are looking for decent wages in one of the latin american right libertarian dictatorships, then its a nice helicopter ride.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 12:04 PM
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We haven't seen your sources. You have seen plenty, and the one source you did come up with, as well as the source leaving out the context of natural famines and trade blocks, you left out the parts where it says that the intentional genocide claim is controversial among scholars. Which Peterson does too, so this is questionable. Lies by omission at best. No, they weren't. Hitler's economic system was anything, but capitalism. Fascism is capitalism dressed in left wing terms, thats uncontroversi…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 12:01 PM
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Yeah, its not as if our education systems are going to tell us about the deaths. Some of them we are told about. 9.5 million native americans, 1.5 million Irish when the landlords dictated the market says the potatoes should be sold to the highest bidders over seas, while the rest of the food was being traded overseas. This blog attempts to put all the genocides and other forms of mass murder together. http://guerrillaontologies.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 11:49 AM
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There is no one true religion. The right needs to stop clinging on to ISMs.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 11:45 AM
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Millions dead (from hunger alone), 1932-33, USSR Holodomore no capitalists involved Your sources didnt tell you about the reigon experiencing famines and droughts every ten years though did they? They didn't tell you about trade embargos that sabotaged the race to rebuild and modernise Russia including food production after it was destroyed in world war 1. So our sources are obviously lying. The russian version of events makes more sense. https://sputniknews.com/russia/201511121029956744-holodom…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 11:40 AM
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Another source here puts it at 1.6 billion. Including imperialist capitalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmYSNDr84M4
/r/MensRights19/01/18 11:29 AM
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When you add up the wars, colonial capitalism's genocides and people starving to death needlessly, people dying from sanctions its 250,000,000 deaths in the name of capitalism. We are just never told about that because we are in capitalist systems and we aren't told about it.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 11:24 AM
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When I arrived on the scene about 10 years ago it was basically traditional mens rights and little else. The mgtow movement was full of ayn randian ideology.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 11:23 AM
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In the United States, the word "libertarian" has become associated with right-libertarianism after Murray Rothbard and Karl Hess reached out to the New Left in the 1960s.[6] This is here the two party system started to become the one party system, where both sides are working for the billionaires, despite one party paying lip service to social issues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism
/r/MensRights19/01/18 11:08 AM
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Yeah, I think the establishment is going to soften on men because (if?) they don't want these young men manipulated and swept up by the far right. At the same time, gender war and idpol is probably too useful to get them to let go of.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 10:54 AM
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But if you switch out 'right' for 'left', it suddenly isn't? The ISM part is only used for right libertarianism afik. There is libertarian, and right libertarianISM. American right libertarians and feminists are very alike. Both support these ideals of freedom, equality etc. but their movements can both be traced back to deep state neoliberalism and deliver something other than what they claim too. Both are resistant to facts that contradict their beliefs.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 10:51 AM
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I think you are a poe troll but anyway. I'm posting this here for you and anyone that is interested. If this article is too long, scroll down to the video, its a great take down of Trudeau and Obama / clinton etc. https://www.truthdig.com/articles/behind-mask-moderates/
/r/MensRights19/01/18 10:46 AM
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More information on why government spending in NZ is limited and suicide rates are going up. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/new-zealand-new-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-capitalism-blatant-failure-a8012656.html
/r/MensRights19/01/18 10:30 AM
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That's great, because beliefs based on evidence are open to being changed, so... Evidence is that the right libertarian movement is deep state and billionaire funded. Kicked off in puppet dictatorships and that it leads to more poverty for us and more wealth for the billionaires. ...I forgot who I was talking to. Well, enjoy your faith. Its right libertarianISM, that its a faith is in the name.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 10:25 AM
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He's very good, best orator on these issues yet. I am very suspect about some of what he does. Talking about stalinism and conflating it with the left, counting the deaths and citing intentional genocide (when the number of deaths and whether or not there was an intentional genocide is contraversial), while not talking about the greater number of deaths in the name of capitalism.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 10:23 AM
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There was a co-opting, two of them. The mens movement is traditionally liberationist, campaigning for decent jobs and wage, working class issues, anti war movement, anti-capitalist, against restrictive gender roles. There were two appropriations - the left was appropriated by neoliberal feminism and used to attack the mens movement (crypto conservatism), the mens movement itself was appropriated by other conservatives who used left wing arguments like farrels to promote a right wing and traditio…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 10:16 AM
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Edit in here. VOX isn't left, its part of the neoliberal corporate media. There isn't any reason for the corporate media not to respond negativly against the book, why wouldn't they?
/r/MensRights19/01/18 10:06 AM
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Ah, yes. The 'I used to be an atheist until God opened my eyes' maneuver. Other way round. I looked the evidence and stopped believing. I'm sorry, but if you can't convince someone who merely has some libertarian sympathies, such as myself, I doubt you have many converts. You can't convince feminists either. You do this stuff for people on the fence. So you read the article, as well as the four different rebuttals that it linked to, and you still believe in the book wholeheartedly? Thats only on…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 10:02 AM
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Oh, yeah. That's me for sure. /s I mean, I willingly gave away almost 10% of my income last year, but... ok, I was speculating. Even they're not as confused and closed-minded as you. Well, its only because I dug into all the information that I changed and I'm now able to show right libertarians that it doesn't work. I did believe in invisible hands and all this freedom stuff from the right before. Based on a book being shilled by NPR? Based on following a top down ideology, an astroturf movement…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 09:41 AM
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No, the left are still there, they are blacklisted by google, sanders was media blocked and stabbed in the back by the dnc and the right wing idpol end of the dems support base attacked him with accusations of misogny. Deep state did this, made a fake 'left".
/r/MensRights19/01/18 09:33 AM
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So to cover up your failure you once again lie about my motives. No, I know you are motivated by ideals like freedom, never using force against the ruling elite. I speculate possibly personal greed, lack of empathy and bitterness at contributing tax - and that you have been propagandized. That's how many get a housing subsidy - there's no reason to think most would be homeless without it. Sure, they just couldn't afford homes. Ah, projection, my old friend. No, stalinism was awful. Free market s…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 09:14 AM
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Evidence. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:34 AM
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Martin Luther King wasn't a right winger, was he? His movement was exactly the sort of movement they wanted to take control of / replace with modern feminism. There are lot evidence, and de classified cia documents supporting what Im saying. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:34 AM
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https://www.snopes.com/2017/11/15/trump-science-politicization/ http://fortune.com/2017/08/28/worker-death-injury-trump/
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:32 AM
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We have loads of evidence.
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:28 AM
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So your proof that they "tend to be dictatorships" is a list of four democracies, and a vague reference. Once again you are supporting oppression of people. The latin american free markets were dictatorships, where they kicked off the right libertarian movement were dictatorships. Singapore are and hong kong are authoritarian conservative systems and there is some debate over to what extent they are dictatorships. http://newbritishunion.co.uk/onewebmedia/Singapore.htm 60% in singapore on some so…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 08:28 AM
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Yeah. After patriarchy theory came along that was the end of workers rights, civil rights, class rights, antiwar protests and an intellectually vigorous left. It was all about how men are the real enemy. It basically split the left in half and made it about getting elite jobs for rich white women.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 08:37 PM
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It goes deeper than the feminists, its a deep state thing designed to destroy the left and the mens labour movement.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 08:25 PM
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Neoliberal feminism and tokenism in corporations is capitalist ideology. We have a whole thread about it here. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/
/r/MensRights18/01/18 08:23 PM
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I think its more comforting for people to believe that its just these blue haired kids than real power thats actually doing it to them.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 08:16 PM
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Yeah, Obama is what would have been considered a moderate republican in the 1980s, but I don't think thats widely known among liberals. To qualify as left or even far left in the states you can be far right, so long as you say some bullshit about the gender wage gap.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 08:14 PM
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Who do you mean by moderate left and center right though? I ask because there is lots of confusion about who is where on the political spectrum due to american propaganda.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 07:50 PM
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In america is big business supported by corporate propaganda. In the UK its only immigrants and religious people doing it and outlawing it there would do more harm than good. UK has something like 8 thousand botched female cric'd brought into hospital a year. If its outlawed it would be similar for boys, and if they start charging the parents they won't even bring them to the hospital out of fear.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 07:47 PM
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Peterson is right against left. People here say its not right against left, as long its right against left, but they think neoliberal feminism is the left.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 07:35 PM
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He alos ignores the censorship of free speech by the right. I don't know if you know but the new administration in the US are banning lots of words from government reports, ones relating to climate change and social issues. They are also targeting mens ability to take class action suits against corporations, reporting of safety records in death jobs and work place safety. This is real censorship, as opposed to people protesting the far right.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 07:28 PM
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Not everyone who repeats warren farrells arguments against feminist bullshit are good for mens rights, and Sargon thinks the right center are the far left ...
/r/MensRights18/01/18 07:25 PM
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No you don't, you are in a closed, corporate media system that blacklists the left wing media. And you are told right center - far right neoliberals are the far left.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 07:03 PM
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I don't think that ratio is catastrophic. Catastrophic enough for america to have some of the worse outcomes in the west and be investigated by the UN for poverty related problems only seen in the third world, and you are pushing to make it worse.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 06:11 PM
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Not unbiased. Relatively unbiased and relatively accurate, compared to the likes of Dailywire, Occupy Democrats, info wars etc. Its all biased, corporate media.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 06:08 PM
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Their subconscious are set up like that. Activists that have been lead down the rabbit hole and away from anything related to economics or politics. To them its either you are for or against rape.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 05:26 PM
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Not only are you wrong, but you even just went against your own chart. You can't even keep your own ideas straight. Thats dishonest, I'm saying the individual journalist - Clem whats her name and Ben Sharpio are both at the batshit end. The guardian news paper, is generally more credible than dailywire, which is at the batshit end. You can find sharpio being debunked on false and misleading claims the same way we debunk feminists.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 05:14 PM
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They are both at the batshit end of it. In general daily wire is more like entertainment dressed up as news.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 04:57 PM
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Ok. I'll accept your source. Its really just showing us had badly the 99% are doing given tax is relative to earnings.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 04:29 PM
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Leftism is what caused the evaporation of male rights at least in the Western nations. No the left got men decent wages, safer working conditions and unions, the right struck back with feminism and the far right and the right center neoliberals are attacking mens rights. Leftism, socialism and those ideologies further along the spectrum are opposed to any sense of equality for men. This is total nonsense, the left is based around more money and rights for workers, you are confusing the left with…
/r/MensRights18/01/18 04:01 PM
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They support clinton, and didnt give sanders coverage, they are right center to far right going by their candidate of choice.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 03:56 PM
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I dont think there is one single left of center media outlet there. Google blacklist the left wing sites.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 03:30 PM
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No, there is a hard left, "tankies". Its not what americans are told it is though, americans are told the right center is the hard left.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 03:29 PM
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He is very collected and in control of himself.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 12:15 PM
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I don't think anybody wants that. They do. For example ending socialized health care, education and welfare would have massive negative consequences for a large group and society. There is a perception there that giving the money to the rich in tax breaks instead is better option because we should feel sorry for the ultrarich being forced to contribute to there being a more even and pleasant society and doing this will result in freedom. And to hell with the social consequences, better to build …
/r/MensRights18/01/18 11:41 AM
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The dominance of the PAP, coupled with a low level of press freedom and restrictions on civil liberties and political rights, has led to Singapore being classified by some as a semi-authoritarian regime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore HONG KONG (Reuters) - Tens of thousands marched in China-ruled Hong Kong on Sunday in an "anti authoritarian rule" march that called for the resignation of the city's top legal official over the recent jailing of young democracy activists. http://uk.busine…
/r/MensRights18/01/18 11:19 AM
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Homelessness - demand better social services for men. Destruction in divorce, demand better wages and property market controls.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 11:00 AM
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That's one way to interpret it, yes. Its the origional idea. The right fought on the sides of the monarchs, the religious oppression, and now the side of the corporate masters. It exists, with limited powers, to protect people (including their property), not to 'facilitate' anything. Like protecting privately owned resources that are sold back to us, meaning that we have to work harder to survive, and people struggle while others get ultrawealthy on taking large profit margins from every sip of …
/r/MensRights18/01/18 10:33 AM
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RELATIVE minimal bias. It doesn't mean the ones at the top don't have a bias, its a measure of less junk to more junk media.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 10:09 AM
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In that dispute they are all pawns but the feminists are the lesser of the two evils. People are right to stand up for themselves, where they go wrong is vilifying and excluding men.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 09:50 AM
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That is an unreliable media outlet. http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/media-bias-chart_3.0_Hi-Res.jpg The right are lying to us about free speech, what they are against is the right to protest against their ideas that are bad for most people, society and the economy in universities, while the right are happy to ban words and censor at a government level. This journalist goes into it here (in another, but less - unreliable media outlet). https://www.theguardian.…
/r/MensRights18/01/18 09:29 AM
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Modern feminism was funded / supported by cia and front organizations in order to split the left and defeat the mens labour movement. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/ Whats your take in that?
/r/MensRights18/01/18 09:20 AM
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A Jezebelle style mrm, one that focuses on grips with pop culture instead of economics, law and politics isn't an effective one, imo.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 09:06 AM
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No, what you did was cite data that shows that our wages and therefore tax contributions have been going down or staying the same while not being adjusted for inflation, while the 1% wages have been making exponensional gains, for decades now. If you want people at the bottom to pay more tax, you need left wing activism - activism that generates well paid jobs, good education and support at the bottom and the middle. But you want the opposite. If the system is sent up like that so that we get le…
/r/MensRights18/01/18 08:37 AM
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What I hear you saying is that when there are no other masters, government can the the master and it will do that job well. Again, it's fine to advocate for that, but that it isn't libertarian. I said in a non libertarian situation, where there are corporate masters and a state, the state can play a role in limiting the corporate masters dominance. This is how we were able to limit homelessness, hunger, increase education, increase middle class jobs and negotiate better wages in the post. Libert…
/r/MensRights18/01/18 08:33 AM
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Bunch of links here both in the OP and the comments about the right using feminism to split the left. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/ Story of how white women got added into the civil rights act at the last min. which meant most of the benefits went to white women instead of black men, and that it was organized by a conservative who was opposing civil rights for black men. As chairman of the United States House Committee on Rule…
/r/MensRights18/01/18 08:31 AM
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Get some balls, its easy to scapegoat the poor and women. Its harder to challenge power.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 11:28 PM
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You figures showed decreased earnings for one group and excessive earnings of another group, that recieve the most welfare. Feminists dont win their wage gap argument with raw data and no context either.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 11:28 PM
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We'd have to come up with another goal if our intent is to improve the status of men. Unions, collective bargaining, strikes, protests, direct investment in job creation. These are the only things that have ever improved the status of men, using numbers to negotiate with the elite.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 11:07 PM
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The lack of the ERA, which was blocked by the right, is one reason american women can obtain traditional legal privelages. Also, the only reason white feminism got women included as a minority was to derail black civil rights. Feminism was used to split the left, while dragging it to the right. So attempts to conserve backfired on american men a lot.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 11:04 PM
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And make sure it includes welfare to the bottom so we can watch the bottom 47% of tax payers actually pay negative taxes. They are getting fucked by right wing economics, like wage stagnation . You know that trillions are to added to the deficit in inheritance tax breaks to the .01% with the new gop bill. You all ready know that military welfare spending is greater than social welfare spending. I linked you to information on the gops infrastructure corporate welfare scam. This is why the right o…
/r/MensRights17/01/18 10:50 PM
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You figures don't include the welfare that goes back to the top. The military is the largest welfare system in the US. Most social welfare in the US goes to the rich. The United States government spends more on social welfare programs per capita than most European countries once we include both traditional public spending and tax subsidies. But contrary to European welfare states, benefits are not concentrated on the poor in the U.S. In essence, there are two American welfare states. A public on…
/r/MensRights17/01/18 10:32 PM
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The people are the working class, and the middle who do all the real work, but have their wages stagnated and live in a debt fuelled illusion. What is "being dominated" and how will socialism make everyone "not dominated?"" I was more talking about the extent of the domination. A left libertarian system would have no state and no corporate masters, so the ability to dominate would be limited.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 10:19 PM
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You didn't prove me wrong. The superwealthy were just given trillions on property tax deductions. Your source doesn't include in formation like that. And military welfare is larger than welfare given to the poor, who were put in poverty by the system in the first place. The rich recieve more welfare than the poor.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 08:37 PM
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This guy dismantled the rights talking points about tax and government spending, and blaming women. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdsGUIEsFps&feature=youtu.be
/r/MensRights17/01/18 08:28 PM
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You problem is the assumption that men and women exist as productivity units in the first place. You are looking at it through the lens of the market. Average people do all the real work - while the people at the top steal most of the surplus.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 08:26 PM
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They aren't designed for you to just replace the bands and fix the motor, they are designed for you have to repeat the process of buying them.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 08:12 PM
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You didn't prove me wrong, you are just proving that conservatives will always blame a scapegoat. We can see that the capitalist system used feminism to scapegoat men, but cant see that we are falling for the same trick. And the military welfare system is a bigger drain than women, if you want to find problems look closer to home.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 08:10 PM
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Tiawan has been increasing its gov spending too. Yep same bullshit in Tiawan as in singapore and hongkong. Working six days a week at a Taipei noodle stall, Hsu Ching-ni earns only $500 a month, not nearly enough to support her family of seven including three children, or even pay rent. I>nstead, they have to survive on welfare. "I'm the only one in my family working. My husband suffered a stroke and can't work. My parents-in-law are elderly. If it weren't for the welfare, I don't know where we'…
/r/MensRights17/01/18 08:05 PM
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taiwan at 13% GDP to gov revenue 45853.74 gdp per capita and a growth of 4% You need to look at the longer term, include the booms and the busts. It has the same problems are Singapore and hong kong - they are shown we something we should aspire to, in reality 60% of the population need government assistance to keep a roof over their heads, despite working longer than average hours.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 08:01 PM
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Good for you. Your washing machine and other appliences are designed so that you will have to repeat the process again and again.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 07:53 PM
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I'm not, you are wasting your time trying pin problems caused by the people in charge, on women. The right always blame a scapegoat but never the real cause.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 07:52 PM
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I don't remember the last time governments grew the economy but do you know what does grow the economy cutting taxes. Do you know what growing the economy does, create jobs. Countries with small government have lower growth, more poverty and are more susceptible to volatility. While a government that is investing in jobs, education, infrastructure and helping to limit poverty will produce a better economy and a better place to live.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 07:47 PM
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People absorb media propaganda at a subconscious level too. We live inside a bubble of corporate and market propaganda. You keep replacing your light bulbs instead of buying a ten year light bulb because they aren't offering you the 10 year one.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 07:43 PM
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Being as generous as possible (i.e., assuming men and women are dying at their peak cumulative contribution), it looks like men are at +75k and women are at -50k. This means the statistical value of an average child is +25k. At a bulk level, then, each woman would need to have 2 children to reach break-even. When you factor in life expectancies, since people tend to die after their peak accumulation, the numbers for men and women are less, and thus the statistical value of an average child is le…
/r/MensRights17/01/18 07:38 PM
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No, the rich. .01% for example. Government helped to reduce homelessness through taxation and job creation. But governments have gone too far right now.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 07:33 PM
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Most people have to work for corporations or they wont survive. Also I don't remember the last time a corporation forced me to buy/do something. Corporations invest a lot of money in manipulation, they control your access to information through the media, corporate interests bought and paid for the right libertarian belief system thats popular with some mra's. Is it your choice to keep rebuying products that were designed to break so you would have to buy them again, or are corporations making y…
/r/MensRights17/01/18 07:32 PM
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The rich .01% were just given trillions in tax of the next decade, which is added to the deficit (debt passed on to the people). Middle class workers are getting a temporary tax reduction to fool the trump voters. The biggest problems re tax in the us are the super wealthy, corporate welfare and military welfare. They recently pulled a massive tax scam on the public on infrastructure. http://robertreich.org/post/156280358595 Women aren't the problem.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 07:27 PM
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Don't know if I could subscribe to anarchy myself. Out of practically I think pushing left when the system thats already there is causing problems from going too far right, and visa is the best option there is. Not much point in pushing for anarchy or something else that will likely never happen, imo.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 07:17 PM
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Conservatives understand that. But do conservatives have the right answers? Remember, conservatives "understood" that organized religion was best, that sun and everything else revolved around the earth, that evolution is nonsense, that the ERA and civil rights movement should be opposed and so on and so. Conservatives come out on the wrong side of the argument everytime.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 06:51 PM
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He's just using the lobster to try to justify the dominance of the people by the system.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 06:47 PM
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The statistical value of which would be applied towards her own societal-debt before it would trickle-up to ameliorate the grandmother's societal-debt. Regardless, with my vague looking-at-tiny-graphs estimates, the number of children required to reach net-positive is far more children than most women produce. If women produce the wage slaves, and the wage slaves are the ones that do all the real work then women's production is the most productive of all. I don't think it's the point you intende…
/r/MensRights17/01/18 06:39 PM
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You should wake up and stand up for yourself, instead or those at war with you.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 06:35 PM
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Could have fooled me! Thats because you are in a controlled media system and left wing media is blacklisted by google. Even YOU won't work across the aisle to make tax cuts permanent because it's not from the glorious leftwing party. Democrats aren't left wing. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
/r/MensRights17/01/18 06:35 PM
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People have been manipulated into blaming taxes and government because its better than having them looking at where the real problem is. Your corporate masters stagnate your wages and pocket the profits, they dont want you becoming conscious of that.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 05:15 PM
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There is homelessness in the first place because the elite steal so much from honest, hardworking people. Unless you are willing to take them on, and have them contribute more you are part of the problem.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 05:14 PM
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You are useless here, counter productive. You are part of the billionaires and corporate rights movement.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 05:13 PM
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Where were you during the Obama years? None of the left cared about deficit then. The left have been highly critical of right wingers like Obama. https://www.truthdig.com/articles/behind-mask-moderates/ Tax cuts aren't permanent because none of the left were willing to cross the aisle and vote yes on tax cuts. Tax cuts for the middle aren't permanent because they are tricking the trump voters. you'd be urging the left to support rand Paul's bill to make them permanent. Right libertarians are the…
/r/MensRights17/01/18 05:12 PM
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Exactly. You advocate for a large, powerful government. That means that you're not libertarian, left or otherwise. In the absence of a libertarian situation - no gods no masters (corporate or otherwise) government plays or can play a vital role in limiting the masters and easing hunger by spreading more money and more middle class jobs around the economy. Well, they see it as less power and less restraint, since they wouldn't be able to get the government to do their dirty work for them. Yeah I …
/r/MensRights17/01/18 05:06 PM
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Wake up and stand up for yourself. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/business/yourmoney/26every.html
/r/MensRights17/01/18 04:54 PM
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The right libertarian movement, the coalition of fascists thats the alt right.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 04:53 PM
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Not so much if it's a girl. Presumably she would in turn produce children. If it wasn't for women producing children there would be no wage slaves, its arguably the most productive role.
/r/MensRights17/01/18 04:52 PM
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What you want is killing men. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-study-report-people-die-social-care-government-policy-a8057306.html You guys are useless for this movement, and useful to billionaires.
/r/MensRights16/01/18 12:20 PM
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Really you think the US debt will be paid off ever. Not now, the republicans just made it impossible. People are keeping there money that they worked for they deserve it. Nah, these are people that have been mislead into fighting for billionaires rights, they are getting conned.
/r/MensRights16/01/18 12:18 PM
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As for the deficit I have not heard one person butch about getting a tax cut if you are so against them write a bigger check from your own earning because some of us like to get to choose the where our money goes by our choice. Because americans on the right don't understand that giving trillions to the .01% means trillions in deficit that is passed on to them. Or that the tax cuts the middle did get are only temporary, they haven;t realised they have been scammed yet, and many probably never wi…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 12:10 PM
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You didnt respond to small government policies killing people.
/r/MensRights16/01/18 12:08 PM
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Yeah, you guys are useless for mens rights. You would rather see the superrich getting tax breaks than social housing for homeless men that are made that way by the super rich.
/r/MensRights16/01/18 12:07 PM
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Also, if men have a lobby group for large government and women have a lobby group that protected them from the worst of socialism, you end up with separate rules. Socialism is irrelevant here, there basically are no socialist countries. What other institution will bring corporations to heel? The only one that ever did was left wing activism and regulations threw democratic government, you want to throw that away. I agree with all of that, so why are you arguing about it? Oh, right. Because you w…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 12:00 PM
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They don't already pay the most, including the loop holes, corporate welfare and tax credits. The .01 were given trillions in the trump budget, that deficit gets passed on to you. Don't argue for continuing tax cuts for them, when it increases tax for everyone else and small gov. policies are killing people, and when men want to tackle homelessness and similar problems. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-study-report-people-die-social-care-government-policy-a8057306.h…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 11:49 AM
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So basically anyone that disagrees is a fascist, good to know we've gotten that out of the way. No, people that are part of the neo-fascist movement are fascists. And it also shows that you're wrong about both Milo and Gavin, because they've both been talking about corporations having too much power recently. Especially with everything that's been happening in Google and Twitter. Doesn't matter what they are talking about. They are part of a fascist movement that has been well documented. https:…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 11:32 AM
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No, southern is no political analyst and the comments under the video are from ancaps, who promote economic fascism. Quick video here, Chomsky explains the difference between libertarian and right libertarianism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUs_Q_rfl9I
/r/MensRights16/01/18 11:07 AM
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Now you are linking to a youtuber that was a cosplayer and has little political knowledge that promotes economic fascism and is changing the definiton of fascism, to protesting against fascism. Here is a little video, it explains why this right libertarian movement is fascism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce7Dclr5ZHg
/r/MensRights16/01/18 10:57 AM
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Really? Gavin Mcinnes the nazi puncher is inline with the rise of fascism? Fascism means more than nazis. Fascism is economic. The right libertarian movement is economic fascism. Ending all programs that benefit the less well off, giving maximum freedom to corporations, small government etc. The economics milo represents has real world consequences that people don't like and rightly so. Landmark study links Tory austerity to 120,000 deaths Government is accused of 'economic murder' www.independe…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 10:39 AM
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Im well aware of all these arguments, I was in the movement before /r/mensrights existed. First one is Brendan o' Neil, on the left, very critical of idpol. He is fine. The other guy is right libertarian, so is inline with the rise in fascism.
/r/MensRights16/01/18 10:35 AM
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No, they blacklist left wing media, and the US media blacked out sanders. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/09/19/goog-s19.html They happily promote their neoliberal capitalist sjw / inclusive capitalism because it isn't left wing. but they attack conservatives right away. Advertisers don't want to be associated with things like racism, be it subtle or other wise - they want to project the neoliberal view, capitalism is good so long as it supports tokenism, which is a lie. The real inequalit…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 10:19 AM
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The only nazis out there right now in public are SJWs. No, swjs are a form of fascism imo because fascism is when the right are dressed up in concepts like freedom and equality, anti-capitalism and so on but they are really they are serving the right. The alt right are another group of more extreme fascists. Good video down at the bottom here about what the neoliberals really are. https://www.truthdig.com/articles/behind-mask-moderates/ You seem to want Milo to be a nazi really badly, why is tha…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 10:05 AM
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I say that genocide for profit is the real crime, and forcing those companies (and those companies only) to fix the damage they've done, plus additional penalties, is the appropriate solution. Making all companies (or all rich people) pay for the crimes of a few is the same as absolving the guilty and punishing the innocent. I'm not talking about that. Small government policies are killing 100s of 1000s of people in the UK today. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-stu…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 09:49 AM
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There is a lot of ayn randian ideology mixed in with mgtow. As it is now, women are being flooded with men's requests for intimacy, and they pick and choose from among them. It's the same reason government, lawmakers and judges cater to women. If you mens rights people want to do something productive, I suggest you invest in and develop a companionship simulator for VR. I prefer having the richness and growth of my relationships with my girlfriends.
/r/MensRights16/01/18 09:37 AM
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Umm, no. Yeah, he represents small government and the radical right. https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-History-Billionaires-Radical/dp/0385535597 "Working with" to what end? To include them in the alt right demographic and let them know they are being represented. I'm going to need some tin-foil for this. No, supremacists and neonazis hide what they are with language. "No we aren't nazis, we are identitarians" for example. Preserve western culture is code for preserve the white race and so on, I…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 09:34 AM
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Good points, the author is difficult to take seriously when the frame the likes of Treadau and Obama as "supreme leaders " as if they aren't neoliberals that talk about gender and race, while being right wing economically. The childish language makes it difficult to cite anywhere. It doesn't adjust for the fact that while woman are not paying tax, they are often bringing up new tax payers who will ay tax. If women have a lobby group that protects them from the worst of capitalism, and men lean t…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 09:24 AM
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While women are not paying taxes, they have bringing up children that do pay taxes, this way demographic implosion is avoided. The more taxes women pay, the more they will be working and the more that happens the less they will be having children, and the more that happens the more demographics need to be replaced to avoid economic collapse. The real tax thieves are the .01%. Or the 1% that are worth 90% of all wealth.
/r/MensRights16/01/18 09:19 AM
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Hes not left libertarian though, I think his libertarian its the american libertarianISM version of it, which is far right, let the poor die in a ditch while we hand government over to corporations and make billionaires even richer. He was caught working with neo-nazis and white supermacists on his "ïntroducing the alt right" article. The goal being to use crypto language that would appeal to neo nazi and other far right groups, while publicly distancing himself and the alt right from them. Milo…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 09:04 AM
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Milo was entertaining debunking feminists in the media for a while, the link to the far right is a more of a draw back than anything else in the longer term. What you won't hear from people on the right is criticizing the right for killing 100s of 1000s of people with cuts to health care, but they will seize upon a story like that.
/r/MensRights16/01/18 08:57 AM
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I think an lot of people here view the concept of mgtow as fine, but that that culture in /r/mgtow is fucked. TRP, the bulk usually distances itself from TRP and there was a lot of reporting and removing of trp related posts a few years back. A lot of people were upset about the cossie jaye doc being called the red pill because it implied we were the same thing. The mgtow movement is politically incoherent in my opinion, supporting small government economics that lessen wealth for 80% of the peo…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 08:42 AM
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I find it a useful descriptor for the new "left"- saying things about race and gender, while being corporatists and selling out the people. I call the further right version of them you are talking about right libertarians. There is a good break down of it here. Liberalism can refer to political, economic, or even religious ideas. In the U.S. political liberalism has been a strategy to prevent social conflict. It is presented to poor and working people as progressive compared to conservative or R…
/r/MensRights16/01/18 08:27 AM
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Are you including the conservative pedophile groups in that figure. Its generally not publicized when its elite conservatives doing it ... because its covered up. By the way, the cdc stats you cited ... we are going to lose information like that under trump. The right are not our friends. And this is why j4mbs circumcision campaign looks instantly suspect. Wanting to bring down the law on immigrants and muslims instead of conservatives who are killing off 100s of 1000s of people with cuts to hea…
/r/MensRights15/01/18 09:15 PM
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Trump won because he was against idpol and pretending to be for the workers and the middle class, he presented himself as a traditional social democrat, way further to the left than he actually is and thats why he won. And they arent astute enough to realise that he was playing the part of someone much further to the left. This is proof that the wind is blowing left, trump voters just havent figured out that they have been tricked yet. The left isnt the home of idpol, thats a creature of the rig…
/r/MensRights15/01/18 09:02 PM
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Trump was pretending to be a feminist lackey? No, trump was pretending to be for the workers and the middle class, about getting the swamp out of politics, Sanders was genuine. Here is sanders calling for the dems to forget about idpol. Sanders: Dems must move beyond 'identity politics' "The working class of this country is being decimated — that's why Donald Trump won," the senator said. "And what we need now are candidates who stand with those working people, who understand that real median fa…
/r/MensRights15/01/18 07:14 PM
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Identity politics is over, basically. So is the drift to the right. Austerity in the uk is killing 100s of thousands of people. People want a big swing back to the left, away from identity politics and the far right. Its just around the corner.
/r/MensRights15/01/18 06:00 PM
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This is the way the wind is blowing. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-success-general-election-theresa-may-pc-culture-reject-populism-a7785611.html Muslim rape gangs, thats using the same tactics feminists have been using against men. I could call the covered up csa of people connected to tories white tori rape gangs, but it would be very un fair on tories. Corbyn is advocating economic changes that benefit average people. Thats not pc, pc is using gender and race as a shield wh…
/r/MensRights15/01/18 05:23 PM
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Conservatism and right wing economics is part and parcel with cutting back on any money that is used to help the less well off, and privatisation of public services like the nhs. And another problem is this, there are no prosecutions for fgm either, just thousands of hospital admissions for botched home jobs. So in this conservative world, poor immigrants and muslims would be cutting boys and girls at home and would be afraid to and or couldnt afford to bring the botch jobs to the hospital. Anyh…
/r/MensRights15/01/18 03:53 PM
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That's not a response to what I wrote, and you realize that you and I are in that 1%, right? Globally, yes. But you and I are not corporations sitting in african free markets, sucking the wealth out, not putting any tax back in while the people of that country starve to death. We are not pushing poor countries into right libertarian agreements that allow private interests to steal the weath, and prohibit government spending to create jobs and limit poverty. They are doing the same thing that col…
/r/MensRights15/01/18 03:19 PM
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Thank you.
/r/MensRights15/01/18 02:58 PM
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Hello bootlicker, keep fighting the good fight, work place safety gets in the way of masters profits :)
/r/MensRights15/01/18 02:05 PM
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Truth about clintons feminism is here. https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/24/beyond-neoliberal-identity-politics/
/r/MensRights15/01/18 12:03 PM
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The new administration is actively rolling back mens rights too. It looks worse for men that even a clinton win would have been.
/r/MensRights15/01/18 12:00 PM
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New Labours problem is neoliberlism. Paying lip service to social issues and getting people to fight on the basis of gender and race, while out the other side of their faces selling out average men and supporting the same economics as those "stale, male mps". Corbyn with his rejection of identity politics and the return to proper solutions that increase the welfare of most men is the way the wing is blowing. Politicians like him need to be rewarded with votes and support.
/r/MensRights15/01/18 11:19 AM
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You don't know what idpol is, or about your own countries politics. Sanders: Dems must move beyond 'identity politics' http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/307014-sanders-dems-must-move-beyond-identity-politics
/r/MensRights15/01/18 09:42 AM
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Sanders: Dems must move beyond 'identity politics' "The working class of this country is being decimated — that's why Donald Trump won," the senator said. "And what we need now are candidates who stand with those working people, who understand that real median family income has gone down." The Vermont independent, who was named chair of outreach among the Democratic Senate leadership this month, has said the party must shift its focus to winning back blue-collar workers and the economically disa…
/r/MensRights15/01/18 09:40 AM
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I think this sums up your entire argument: words mean whatever I want them to mean at any particular instant. No, we have evidence that capitalist interests spread modern feminism to split the mens labour union. Its literately right wing and conservative. Look at the two movements, protection for women, victorian sexual hysteria, treat women like "ladies" so to speak, men are dirty animals that need to be civilized, and right libertarian, male dispoosibility and go back to victorian era economic…
/r/MensRights15/01/18 09:31 AM
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Again, I'm going to have to dismiss most of this for being too vague. You rail against 'them', who's crimes were committed by aristocrats, white collar criminals, and business interests backed by the state, but whose guilt can be laid upon the wealthy (inherited or not), anti-government activists, and pro-government activists with a different agenda. So I'll just keep asking "Do you believe in collective guilt? How far back does a crime have to take place before present-day accidental beneficiar…
/r/MensRights15/01/18 09:27 AM
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Your candidates do plenty of arguing about race and gender. One of them's party platform includes radical feminism. That's undeniable. They are for working and middle class issues, not taking about race and gender while selling out the people to the oligarchy. Thats why they are shunned by the mainstream dnc, they are not neoliberal idpol. Corbyn is another. Im tired of explaining your own politics to you now.
/r/MensRights14/01/18 09:10 PM
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Yes I do. Its a deep state funded deception to get people arguing about race and gender instead of class issues. Sanders took up class issues as his main platform and the idpol right wing of the dnc and media attacked him.
/r/MensRights14/01/18 07:37 PM
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You keep saying things like this, yet every left wing politician you support is a feminist, which according to you is right wing. Nah, you dont understand the difference between a politican that is right center or far right (obama or clinton) that says things about race, gender and wage gap while selling out the poor and the middle and a more traditional social democrat who is actually wants to help the poor and the middle, while rejecting the idpol deception.
/r/MensRights14/01/18 07:31 PM
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Once again, Sanders. Warren, and Stein undeniably do the same things. Stein's party include fucking radical feminism in its goddamn platform. Once again, find out the difference between right wing identity politics and the left. https://www.truthdig.com/articles/behind-mask-moderates/ You have no argument for this position other than denying reality. Nah, just havent a clue what you are talking about.
/r/MensRights14/01/18 07:22 PM
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Left wing activism for men is about equality between the sexes. The right wants to cut back health care, women have a protective lobby group, so men having a lobby group against healthcare increases gender inequality in access to health care. Women have a sort of left wing lobby group, but its conservative because the capitalist class decided to create modern feminism and point men and women at each other, instead of at the capitalist class, so there is gender war instead. Small gov policy meant…
/r/MensRights14/01/18 07:11 PM
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Most men aren't even aware of how screwed they are getting by these laws, and your precious left wing politicians are too busy supporting the misandrist laws and kissing the ring of feminists to do anything. Those are right wing politicians like clinton and obama, liberal identity politics is conservative because it plays groups off each other while being right wing economically and selling out the people. Those politicians are precious to me or the left. The fact that they used idpol to attack …
/r/MensRights14/01/18 07:05 PM
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So it's an 'agreement' made under threat of force. This is not headed in a good direction. What do they do if someone from the lower classes takes some of their surplus to feed their family? They lock them up, the capitalist class runs private prisons now, where people are locked in cages for problems caused by the inequality they create and rented out to corporations as slave labour. Yep, no implied threat there. /s If we fall their blessed are the meek ideology, they are the only ones with for…
/r/MensRights14/01/18 02:41 PM
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:)
/r/MensRights14/01/18 02:33 PM
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Yeah, outlawing prostitution, abortion, drugs, alcohol, fgm ... that stopped it dead in its tracks. A case of female genital mutilation (FGM) is either discovered or treated at a medical appointment in England every hour, according to analysis of NHS statistics by a charity. Between April 2015 and March 2016 there were 8,656 times when women or girls attended doctors' surgeries or hospitals and the problem was assessed — the equivalent of one every 61 minutes. Among those who attended, a case of…
/r/MensRights14/01/18 01:48 PM
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And in your case it's at least as true to say "I believe that left libertarians genuinely believe the hype and promises of freedom and equality for them, and are very resistant to the information to the contrary." The history is there to see, maybe not in american history books but the struggle is there plain as day in the ones here, although somewhat censored as well. The industrial revolution was paid for by the mass murder the theft of people in india, which used to be 25% of global gdp, and …
/r/MensRights14/01/18 01:19 PM
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Here is what kills far more people in the UK, conservative polices that j4fmb and other conservatives support. By the end of 2015 it had emerged that the UK had experienced the largest annual spike in mortality rates for nearly 50 years. The magnitude of the increase in mortality rates was shocking – we estimated that during the period from July 2014 to June 2015 there had been an additional 39,074 deaths across England and Wales compared with the previous year. This represents an increase of 7.…
/r/MensRights14/01/18 12:57 PM
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I did say I opposed, now if you cannot respond to what I have said, and instead need to mischaracterise what I said and attack that, Id rather you stopped wasting both of our time.
/r/MensRights14/01/18 12:55 PM
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I did opposes, now if you cannot respond to what I have said, and instead need to mischaracterise what I said and attack that, Id rather you stopped wasting both of our time.
/r/MensRights14/01/18 12:42 PM
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I dont think its no big deal, thats just trying to miscaracterize my argument. I think the ngo's should not be discriminating, I think there should be an mrm push back against corporate/capitalist mutilation in the US and where ever else it can found. Anyhow, some doctors will break the law for religious people anyway because they know its going to save lives and botch jobs.
/r/MensRights14/01/18 12:25 PM
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Are you saying women’s healthcare should be subsidized at the expense of men? No, I'm saying that if men tend to vote against universal healthcare, and don't use it as much it will obviously end up lopsided. And men with wives / girlfriends, husbands / boyfriends, mothers / fathers, grandparents, daughters / son's and friends benefit from universal healthcare, unless all their friends and relatives are in the top 20%. ACA is not universal healthcare. It requires insurance companies to charge the…
/r/MensRights14/01/18 12:02 PM
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Every time you say something nutty about what 'right' libertarians believe he seems to be yours source. Not libertarians or libertarian groups, not Wikipedia, not even mainstream, neutral press coverage. If you're accusing people of treating something like a religion, try not to make it look like you have a bible. I believe that right libertarians genuinely believe the hype and promises of freedom and business success for them, and are very resistant to the information to the contrary. It looks …
/r/MensRights14/01/18 11:50 AM
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You are missing the point of what I'm saying about conservative under the banner of mens rights making their most visible activism about bringing the law down on muslims and immigrants.
/r/MensRights14/01/18 11:30 AM
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Beyond Neoliberal Identity Politics by PAUL STREET Last year, Daniel Denvir insightfully described Hilary Clinton’s political strategy as “peak neoliberalism, where a distorted version of identity politics is used to defend an oligarchy and a national security state, celebrating diversity in the management of exploitation and warfare” (emphasis added). This “peak” neoliberal identity politics (NIP) is a great weapon on the hands of the privileged capitalist Few and their mass-murderous global em…
/r/MensRights14/01/18 11:30 AM
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Ill just drop this here Last year, Daniel Denvir insightfully described Hilary Clinton’s political strategy as “peak neoliberalism, where a distorted version of identity politics is used to defend an oligarchy and a national security state, celebrating diversity in the management of exploitation and warfare” (emphasis added). This “peak” neoliberal identity politics (NIP) is a great weapon on the hands of the privileged capitalist Few and their mass-murderous global empire. It was central to the…
/r/MensRights14/01/18 11:29 AM
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Limited appeal, muslims and jews will see it as religious persecution, political opponents can easily corner 4mab by asking if you care so much about mens health why did you support cuts backs in health care, isn't that proof that you are more interested in policing immigrants and muslims than you are mens health?
/r/MensRights14/01/18 11:26 AM
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Sure. Im aware of that. That doesn't deal with the points I brought up though.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 08:44 PM
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Im aware of that.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 08:44 PM
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So..."limited" state ownership of the means of production? Ill ignore repeated questions from now on. ACA subsidizes women at the expense of men. You don't know what you are talking about. Its much more complicated than that, firstly because its more costly being a woman, and not everyone is single. And if men tend to vote against universal health care, they will get excluded from it. If men vote for universal health care and want specific imporvments thats what they get. Lying about the wage ga…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 08:43 PM
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No, fascists dress themselves up in left wing language, while scapegoating a group or various groups but whats going on behind the scenes is capitalism. Hitler basically saved German capitalism and headed off a socialist or communist system. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/capitalism-and-nazism/ Rich industralists backed hitler.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 08:35 PM
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I was suggesting that you worship Chomsky. You know, they guy that said the quotes I included, who was in the title of the video you linked to (along with others you linked to), who isn't an economist but seems to be your source for economic knowledge? Ah ok. I respect him, I don't see it as an ism who isn't an economist but seems to be your source for economic knowledge? No there are lots of sources. The history of the US deep state installing right libertarian dictatorships in latin american c…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 08:06 PM
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So do you oppose the prosecution or not? It's not that hard a question. Its like prostitution, drugs and abortions, driving it underground makes it more dangerous. Religious people are going to do it anyway, the path of least harm is probably do it safely for them, but give them reading material to educate them. Doctors are going to do it anyway, because they know they might be saving a life or a botch job. Anyhow, thats besides the point of what I saying.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 07:36 PM
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So..state ownership of the means of production? No, balance between private sector, limited nationalized ownership, which is better for the economy and men. You didn't answer the question. Are you talking about the ACA or not? Yeah, when the scrape that 10 million men are in serious trouble. See above. I was talking about Sanders, Warren, and Stein, not Obama and Clinton. What is it that you want to me to explain. Sanders and Warren are lying to their own base then? Yes, you cretin. I have said …
/r/MensRights13/01/18 06:59 PM
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They cut them anyway, they just do it at home. Ill repeat what I said to another user here I would assume that doctors understand that between doing it professionally and doing it at home is the lesser of two evils and it might save lives. What Im talking about is a CONSERVATIVE MENS RIGHTS group, focusing on something that only effects immigrants and muslims, instead of more wide spread mens health issues. It looks like racism, and can easily be cast as racism, considering the source and the na…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 06:47 PM
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I would assume that doctors understand that between doing it professionally and doing it at home is the lesser of two evils and it might save lives. What Im talking about is a CONSERVATIVE MENS RIGHTS group, focusing on something that only effects immigrants and muslims, instead of more wide spread mens health issues. It looks like racism, and can easily be cast as racism, considering the source and the narrow focus.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 06:47 PM
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edit - sanders was cast as a misogynist by feminists and the right wing of the liberal dems, which is most of them. If he doesn't support that he handing them them the power to call him pro rape in the future. He knows how neoliberal idpol works.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 06:17 PM
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Do you mean state ownership of the means of production? National ownership, economies that have a blend between national ownership and private ownership are better for men and produce more growth. Are you talking about getting rid of the misandrist ACA? Im taking about 10 million men losing access to health care. Their policies include addressing a wage gap that doesn't exist. They talk about the gender wage gap lie, while promoting policies that increase the real wage gap. You have no evidence …
/r/MensRights13/01/18 06:08 PM
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Sanders slams identity politics as Democrats figure out their future “We need candidates — black, white and Latino and gay and male, we need all of that. But we need all of those candidates and officials to have the guts to stand up to the oligarchy. That is the fight of today.” https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democrats-identity-politics-231710
/r/MensRights13/01/18 05:42 PM
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As I already said it may actually be helping the men in those groups to "sort themselves out" on the circumcision issue. The same already happens for women coming from female circumcising cultures. Or be intrepreted as a desire to bring the white establishment down on people with brown skin. This seams to go back to the J4MB NHS position which I'm not familiar with. It might be a good discussion thread on it's own. Yeah this should be talked about, imo this is why I bring up right / left wing so…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 05:38 PM
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As I said, I have a problem with mens rights focusing on bringing the law down on immigrants and muslims, while supporting causing more widespread health problems for men. It just looks like its conforming to the worst stereotypes of mens rights. In a political debate, if asked how do you think Mike would be able to get around that one?
/r/MensRights13/01/18 05:20 PM
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Here is is fearmongering about nazis and pretending to cry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-gfoLjlL1E Here he is with an Obama is a communist hoax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdqQG9LF84g
/r/MensRights13/01/18 05:16 PM
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What that hell does that mean? Re-nationalizing, creating well paid, pensionable jobs and circulating more money around the middle class. Purely subjective Sure, someone might think the wage gap lie is more serious than 10 million men losing health care, or covering up the death jobs statistics. you just said Sanders and Warren were playing along. That's not rejecting it. You can see by their policies they are aren't right winger that hide behind paying lip service to the wage gap lie like Clint…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 05:11 PM
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Canada has close ties with the US, US, Canada and Australia are the only western countries doing this to babies, and its based on corporate propaganda from the US that justifies it. If the plan to destroy the NHS goes ahead, my bet is that they will normalize it in the UK. As its stands, j4mb supports the destruction of the nhs, which is a far bigger problem for mens heath than immigrants and muslims circíng babies. Women have a voting lobby that protects them somewhat from health care cuts, if …
/r/MensRights13/01/18 04:59 PM
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Promises like getting rid of the fake wage gap? Promises like direct investment in jobs, getting the "swamp" out of politics, re- narionalizing parts of industry, stopping war etc. The lie that there is a gender wage gap isn't really a big problem compared to other problems men are facing. Oh, so feminism is only bad when paired with right wing economics. "It's OK when we do it." Never said that. I said the left rejected neoliberal idpol as right wing divide and rule. Sanders defended Dear Colle…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 04:25 PM
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Canada has close ties to the us, but wont be performing needless procedures to the same extent because its healthcare is nationalized. Look, I think making j4mbs most visible platform one to bring the law down on immigrants and muslims isnt a great idea or something with mass appeal. Especially being conservative, it looks questionable. If he is for mens rights, why bring the law down on immigrants and muslims, for example. Dont the right already bring enough politically unworkable and unpopulat…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 04:16 PM
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I know its not acceptable. I fully support the american end of it, and forcing the ngos in africa to treat fgm and mgm equally. I disagree with mikes focus on it in the uk. Because it singles out certain religions, and its up to those religions to sort themselves out. :)
/r/MensRights13/01/18 04:06 PM
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Fascists disguise themselves in the language of the left. This is why hitler chose national socialism, and had an anti capitalist platform, same for trump with his left wing, anti capitalist talk on the campaign trail. Same with ancap and right libertarianism, they appropriated the words from the libertarian movement. Richard Spencer is moving to do the same thing now and trying to appear left wing. So, in order to avoid being lumped in with fascists and the far right, its best not to use their …
/r/MensRights13/01/18 03:45 PM
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In the UK, the only people affected by it are muslims and jews, its an internal thing - a religious thing. Its a different thing in america, where its a blatant business. The Uk for the time being has a socialised health care system, therefore they wont be mutilating baby boys for corporate profit on a mass scale.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 03:29 PM
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Nothing to do with mens rights, thats basically about getting the law to clamp down on religions. mainly muslims and it will bring the far out of the woodwork. Mike, leave muslims alone and get behind some issues with mass appeal. Men are being left to die in hospital corridors due to austerity measures and the right wing assault on the healthcare system.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 03:05 PM
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Supposing the mens voting block is for small government. Men vote for no investment in good job creation, taking welfare and healthcare away, taking housing support away, take safety regs, in the death jobs away, against unionizing, against workers rights, education that only provides for men that can afford it. And women have a voting block that supports women. Thats men voting to make all the mens issues worse, and women voting for protection from the worst of capitalism. What you get then is …
/r/MensRights13/01/18 01:01 PM
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Have you listened to Chomsky, zizek slavoj or any marxists on liberal idpol or the postmodernism taught in schools? Its considered a tool of the right.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 12:55 PM
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Hoaxters talking about a hoax. This is what fake news looks like. Set built to mimick an intellectual space, Beck and others dressed casually like professors to give them and fox news a staged air of intellectualism and legitimacy, they even put glasses on him. Someone sitting there with a mac on their lap for no reason. No mention of Beck and Fox constant hoaxing and misleading its target audience too. American education and media is in trouble, the country needs another enlightenment, imo.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 12:13 PM
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Well, they are only some of the foot soldiers. You have them on one side dividing everyone, scapegoating men and pushing the idea that equality is reached with tokenism. On the other you have the other right pushing to remove all regulations that limit corporate tyranny, while nobody notices because they are too busy fighting among themselves, meanwhile extreme inequality is achieved.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 10:26 AM
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On what basis is owning things you want to own theft? The libertarian perspective is that ownership shouldn't be to the detriment of the majority. Here is how its theft. If your village community has a stream which everyone uses to survive, and I decide I want to own it and charge the village to use the water, and I claim property rights and charge all the villagers rent simply for living in the village and working the land to survive, or allow them to borrow money and go into debt slavery to ow…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 10:03 AM
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It’s been less than six months since Sanders defended the Dear Colleague letter. You expect me to believe he’s a changed man based on absolute fuck all. All the promises that trump and sanders made to the working class that trumo clearly has no intention of keeping ... Sanders means it. The hall mark of liberal identity politics is engaging in identity politics while being right wing economically, and scapegoating men. Warren and Sanders are not this sort of politican, they may well have to play…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 09:51 AM
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Nationalization is a promise of well paid pensionable jobs a lot of which go to working class men. There is also this. The Labour leader said that after leaving the EU, there would still be European workers in Britain and vice versa. He added: "What there wouldn't be is the wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/07/jeremy-corbyn-wholesale-eu-immi…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 09:47 AM
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This whole topic is about the right, the right created liberal idpol and the right are chipping away at regulations that protect us from corporate tyranny.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 09:44 AM
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I realize you worship the guy, but he's not an economist, and is blatantly wrong about some things: "the government is the one institution in which the people can change" and "corporations are pure tyrannies". How many people do you know that have Android phones? How many have Google Glass? That's because consumers have more control over Google than the reverse. I mean, how many Google-backed products have failed? This doesn't follow. The guaranteed outcome of an unregulated phone market is mono…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 09:42 AM
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Those guys have put decades of work in. Paul showed his face and gave his real name when nearly everyone was afraid to and many still are because of the risks involved. /u/pornographysaveslives is another one of those.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 09:27 AM
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People keep failing to realise that this stuff is top down, not bottom up. Google wants its multinational image and the powers that be want people to be divided in to groups that compete for tokenism thinking it means equality, and they want a group to scapegoat.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 09:04 AM
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No, thats neoliberal, its what americans are told is the left, but its not the left.
/r/MensRights12/01/18 09:25 PM
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That's not an answer. oh so you confuse theft with capitalism. Capitalism is theft, colonial capitalism is theft, property rights was theft, taking private ownership of nations resource is theft, the capital for industrialists came from theft, the industrialists took extreme amounts of productivity, which is why the left rose at various times. You live in a fantasy world. Not to scale, but then no map other than a globe has proper scaling. That's problem of trying to flatten a globe. Im talking …
/r/MensRights12/01/18 09:24 PM
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Citation definitely needed on that. No, its all available in the curriculium in europe. French revolution, the elite declared all property rights, the people produced all the food and other resources for trade, and lived mainly on bread while the elite lived lavish lifestyles, when there are riots the elite murdered them, eventually the left rose up and murdered the elite. This is where capital came from, declaring property rights over the land, stealing all the food and trading it, renting the …
/r/MensRights12/01/18 08:20 PM
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I understand that very well :)
/r/MensRights12/01/18 07:58 PM
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Left tends to reject neoliberal identity politics.
/r/MensRights12/01/18 07:27 PM
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Libertarian or right libertarianist?
/r/MensRights12/01/18 07:26 PM
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Until the left, there was mass poverty and starvation. There was no point in the history of the various forms of capitalism where the majority weren't living hand to mouth on bread, while the rich stole everything and traded it for profit.
/r/MensRights12/01/18 07:01 PM
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No, Im not anyway. Im opposed to the right - including liberals and the far right. Both are bad for men. The left don't like liberals very much. Last year, Daniel Denvir insightfully described Hilary Clinton’s political strategy as “peak neoliberalism, where a distorted version of identity politics is used to defend an oligarchy and a national security state, celebrating diversity in the management of exploitation and warfare” (emphasis added). This “peak” neoliberal identity politics (NIP) is a…
/r/MensRights12/01/18 06:23 PM
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That was Sanders years ago, he is much further left now. Left? All of these people are feminists. Feminism is a right wing ideology according to you so how is voting for a bunch of feminists moving left? The people I mentioned are the left wing of the dems, they are less of a problem to men than the right wing of the dems and far right. The re- emerging left shuns identity politics. Elizabeth warren has done a lot of campaigning for the middle class - that mens predominantly white men - if thats…
/r/MensRights12/01/18 05:18 PM
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Other people see a gigantic dysfunctional government one one side, and quasi-nazis and anti-capitalist groups clashing in the street on the other, and then start to think that smaller government might be a good alternative. Other people have been manipulated into only seeing big government as the problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NajQTN9qhXg Anti fascists have only emerged in america because of the rise of fascism, the current direction of the US is rising poverty, mass homelessness and p…
/r/MensRights12/01/18 04:53 PM
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Yeah. I want this movement to work but ... there are problems.
/r/MensRights12/01/18 01:00 PM
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Ah, im in the best relationship yet at the moment. The second woman I mentioned, she taught me rough play, that it ok ... bdsm has always played a role since, id say it would have happened anyway. Ive also been around the swinger and 3 way end of things ... my bad relationships were rooted in.my own lack of self esteem and depression, but thats not related to the older women. At the time I used to find validation in who I was with, the greater the number, the older, the better looking ... it gav…
/r/MensRights12/01/18 12:51 PM
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Well you arent going to find the msm reporting on the real news are ya. All the corporate media wants you to focus is the latest tweet, celebrities , intentional division between men and women or some other distracting story. Americans arent whats going on in politics and its intentional. Thats why you need to find credible journalists instead.
/r/MensRights12/01/18 12:46 PM
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Farrell was attacked because he did research that found people reporting both negative and positive experiences. It was in a really taboo area of it.
/r/MensRights12/01/18 12:44 PM
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At the same time they were non abusive situations, there are ones that are.
/r/MensRights11/01/18 08:41 PM
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Sorry to hear that.
/r/MensRights11/01/18 05:54 PM
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Never a teacher, when I was 14/15 I used to go to a single mothers house, she was 24 and we would fuck. At 16 there was another around the same age, she would take me to guest houses and take me out on the town and we would fuck. Im not bothered at all by it.
/r/MensRights11/01/18 05:53 PM
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Sanders and Jill Stein are the best bets. Elizabeth Warren has recently been trying to get the Navy to stop using contractors that out men at risk, so she is pro-men rights. You need to drag your system way back to the left to limit corporate power.
/r/MensRights11/01/18 05:15 PM
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That's the legal right to free speech. The principle I'm defending is much broader. This is also exactly what people say when they want to shut up communists - "it's been tried and it sucks". Stalin, Mao etc does suck. Most socialist countries were sabotaged, though. So does unrestrained capitalsim. As far as I know, nobody is trying to recreate Stalinism, while we are already in far right systems and there are people advocating right libertarianism and nazism. No, plenty of 'right' libertarians…
/r/MensRights11/01/18 01:31 PM
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When I stand up for their free speech, that's me standing up for my ideals. If I didn't stand up for them, I would be failing my own standards. The things they stand for are irrelevant. The free speech argument is about state oppression. Royalty and organized religion murding people that criticize them, state repression like Stalin and Hitler murdering people that critcized them, the US beating down the civil rights and anti war protest with violence. Right libertarian systems throwing union men…
/r/MensRights11/01/18 12:23 PM
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Standing up for the free speech rights of people you don't like is what you do when you value free speech as a right. It's OK that you don't care about it, but some of us do. Thats not a right wing ideal, the right were anti free speech during the big free speech debates in the past. And those nazis weren't being denied free speech, a group of anti fascists protests a recruitment rally for neo-nazis, and the poster is someone who identifies with the far right. Except most people call it the 'aut…
/r/MensRights11/01/18 09:36 AM
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Yeah, that too. There is more to it than a purely market based "company standards" thing there too. You shouldn't do that socially either, like just hitting on a stranger out of the blue, who is in a way cornered into your company.
/r/MensRights11/01/18 09:07 AM
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Corporations are tyrannies. Yes. But I think google probably like this stuff, they get to position themselves as champions of "equality", while nobody is talking about the spying of the massive wealth inequality that has been opening up since the 1980s.
/r/MensRights11/01/18 08:44 AM
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Im talking about the milo and brietbart readers connection. The funding wasnt going anywhere till milo stepped in.
/r/MensRights11/01/18 08:41 AM
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I get the idea that its bad etiquette to hit on people when they are already in a situation where they are sort of forced to interact with you socially, buying something in a shop for example, its sort of a predicament. This feminist is over reacting and using it to vent her socially constructed hatred of men though, imo.
/r/MensRights11/01/18 08:31 AM
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I bet google love this, people arent talking about the spying and other problems and that sort of carry on gets reframed as "equality". Conservative can not look like dicks by opposing that stuff, while not opposing welfare, universal health care and education.
/r/MensRights11/01/18 08:16 AM
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It is the topic, the ability to take class action suits against corporate tyranny. There are a lot of mra who vote in favor of taking away regulations that allow people like James to challenge corporations that do wrong. Work place safety regulations are being eroded too.
/r/MensRights10/01/18 09:31 PM
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Attacking sexual hysteria and modern feminism is attacking the right anyway. We never attack the left in this movement anyway, its always neoliberal feminism but most seem to give the far right a pass and even support it.
/r/MensRights10/01/18 08:09 PM
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There are deceptive defintions. For example, look how far clinton is to the right. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016 And people actually believe she is far left, because she says things about certain social issues.
/r/MensRights10/01/18 07:39 PM
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All the sexual hysteria is a front in my opinion. Sure, the right want to kill the sexual revolution, but the real target is the mens labour movement and wealth, imo.
/r/MensRights10/01/18 07:35 PM
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Most of mens rights is attacking the right, the modern feminist and postmodernist movement is a creature of the right, designed to split and destroy the left, which mainly comprised of the mens labour rights movement.
/r/MensRights10/01/18 07:27 PM
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Its great, its a shame we didnt fund it and it ended up getting attached to the far right.
/r/MensRights10/01/18 07:22 PM
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This is a stupid mens rights issue imo. There are far more serious ones. And going by the media its something that women are being more effected by.
/r/MensRights10/01/18 06:48 PM
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Australia Colonial capitalism. This will show that the capital was stolen from us and taken by force in the first place. Maybe the worlds largest welfare recipients, and prolific murders and thieves (who, according to top down ruling class ideology should not be taxed because that would be theft, and we should be taking the poor off welfare, not them) - the british royal family (i think they got close to 300 million for housing welfare last year alone). They claimed all of Australia as theirs, c…
/r/MensRights10/01/18 06:35 PM
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Well we will see how it pans out. Trump and co have stopped or are stopping banks being punished, people suing old folks homes for abuse of the elderly, rolling back work place safety regulations and making inroads on stopping employees taking collective action against corporations. They are serious about this free market stuff.
/r/MensRights10/01/18 06:14 PM
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Conservatives want to privatize education, take away the welfare state and healthcare. The movement to screw the left is a conservative movement. And all this modern feminist stuff is part of that conservative movement to screw the left. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/
/r/MensRights10/01/18 09:22 AM
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They are waiving punishment for convicted banks too. http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/trump-administration-waives-punishment-convicted-banks-including-deutsche-which
/r/MensRights10/01/18 08:35 AM
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Not blaming everything on him. Its stupid not to criticize leaders and trump means a turn for the worse. you can still have a class action lawsuit. They want the courts to up hold employee contracts that waive the right to take class action suits.
/r/MensRights10/01/18 08:31 AM
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All that stuff is right wing. Corporations can pretend to be doing something about equality with tolkenism and google wants to appear multi cultural because of the agenda of global domination and global free markets. The modern feminism / postmodernist movement was created by the right and used to defeat the left. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/ Google blacklists all the left wing websites. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/…
/r/MensRights10/01/18 08:28 AM
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First, Nazi speech is protected speech, period. If you don't like their speech, counter-protest, or even better. If you don't mean 'protected speech' as in the legal term, then I'll have to fall back on the general defense of free speech below. The argument I had with that guy here, that time. A right wing mra falling for nazis playing the victim and supporting them. He was claiming a protest by antifa of neonazis was stopping their free speech. Im more concerned about people on the right of thi…
/r/MensRights10/01/18 08:26 AM
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I might think your economics and history are nutty, but I don't think it will affect anything. When you say things like 'free-marketers can't be MRAs and shouldn't be allowed to post here' and 'Nazi speech isn't free speech' you're attacking things far more important and fragile. Ah ok, genocidal speech isn't to be confused with protected speech, its routine - or it has been routine until the recent resurgence of fascism to shut down nazis, now nazis have appropriated free speech ideas from the …
/r/MensRights09/01/18 11:49 PM
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Oh yeah thanks, I forgot that part, all the while blaming a left and a marxism that doesn't really exist. The layers of ideology.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 11:13 PM
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Here is the source on what they are doing with employee class action suits. https://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/trump-supreme-court-class-action-lawsuits-arbitration-workers-rights These are far right shit bags, of course they are going after workers rights and protections.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 09:57 PM
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Looks like slight of hand, different topic altogether. The corporate media hasn't mentioned the employee contracts. Trump and pence have removed protections against elder abuse in privatly run homes and are targeting work place safety regulation for the death jobs, too.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 09:52 PM
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Nope. You not getting your way by no longer living off others isn't oppression. The elite and capitalists live off us, not the other way around. True or not, that isn't relevant. Yes it is. but I deal with logic You deal with top down ideology and market logic, which is irrational.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 09:42 PM
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When there is less wealth, there is less to be shared charitably. That isn't a fault of charity. The church had massive wealth, the elite, who had stolen all the land with the property rights scam and were hiding behind the church had massive wealth too. They conned people by making them think their suffering was down to personal responsibility (sin). The priests of the right libertarian movement are preaching the same message today (leaving out the direct reference to sin). We have seen this al…
/r/MensRights09/01/18 08:49 PM
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They need a group to discriminate against and scapegoat, divide and rule. Irish, Blacks, catholics, protestants, working class and so on. The only group left is white men. And middle class wealth is being stolen and redistributed up, because the bulk of the middle is white there needs to be ideology and social policy that shouts this group down - "check yer privilage". And the capitalist and elite class can hide behind tolkenism, or as they prefer to call it, inclusive capitalism. While they are…
/r/MensRights09/01/18 08:12 PM
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Its a disgrace what they did to sanders, for me it spells out that the idea of there being a mainstream left media is a false one. There are a whole bunch of left wing media sites that are blacklisted by google too. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/07/27/goog-j27.html
/r/MensRights09/01/18 07:52 PM
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Interesting chart here. It measures the least untrustworthy to the most untrustworthy of the main untrustworthy media sources. http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/media-bias-chart_3.0_Hi-Res.jpg
/r/MensRights09/01/18 07:39 PM
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They don't actually report whats really going on. They are corporate media. Fox etc are the same. Good for keeping up with the latest tweet designed to distract everyone from the real stuff is going on behind the scenes though.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 07:07 PM
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You presume that's the only thing that can stave off starvation. No, soup kitchens, police funneling rebellion into prison, churches, charities. We had that system before, and there was still starvation. What do you say to these people dying of curable cancer?
/r/MensRights09/01/18 06:12 PM
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You are part of top down movement to increase oppression. You aren't in some disruptive grass roots movement with no influence, like this one.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 06:10 PM
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Why would you be suprised that they deregulating left wing employee protections? https://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/trump-supreme-court-class-action-lawsuits-arbitration-workers-rights
/r/MensRights09/01/18 05:56 PM
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https://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/trump-supreme-court-class-action-lawsuits-arbitration-workers-rights
/r/MensRights09/01/18 05:56 PM
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Wrong link. Conservatives must know trump and co are de regulating and giving corporations more power and the people less ... so it shouldnt be a suprise. https://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/trump-supreme-court-class-action-lawsuits-arbitration-workers-rights
/r/MensRights09/01/18 05:55 PM
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https://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/trump-supreme-court-class-action-lawsuits-arbitration-workers-rights You cant believe that people that say that they want to deregulate the market are doing it?
/r/MensRights09/01/18 05:49 PM
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You want to switch off the social welfare system, which will go back to the days of starvation in the west. And 18 million die a year from inequality as it is.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 05:47 PM
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Ford foundation, doesnt get more deep state front group than that.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 05:47 PM
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Well. Its about corporate tyranny. So trump deregulating employee protections is relevant.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 04:56 PM
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Yeah ill get it when I get home. They are freeing up the market, that means getting rid of employee protections like that.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 04:54 PM
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Ill come back with a better source. He is going after regulations that relate to work place safety too.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 04:20 PM
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Trump is stopping people taking class action suits against corporations. So this might flop.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 03:27 PM
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The right libertarian position is indefensible. Wanting to cause starvation. privatize everything in sight and ensure the people that took all the monopoly squares through exploitation and force never give anything back. All the while hiding the real agenda under the good name of libertarian. Right libertarianism has real world consequences, latin american dictatorships, theft, oppression. The fairly tales of freedom sold on propaganda sites and college indoctrination camps are not the real stor…
/r/MensRights09/01/18 01:41 PM
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They are in a race against time I think. Trump is moving to stop people taking class action suits against corporations. http://theweek.com/articles/714184/trumps-push-kill-classaction-lawsuits
/r/MensRights09/01/18 12:07 PM
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I wonder how conscious of it Philips is, do you think she believes she is fighting the good fight and is indoctrinated by feminism snd new "left"ideology, or is it intentional misdirection and manipulation like Brietbart etc?
/r/MensRights09/01/18 11:42 AM
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It doesn't show what the guy actually said that the ceo is responding to. They are in a race against time I think. Trump is moving to stop people taking class action suits against corporations. http://theweek.com/articles/714184/trumps-push-kill-classaction-lawsuits Right libertarians, this is what deregulation and the far right is really about, corporate tyranny and removing rights. And expecting corporations to be as fair democratic as states is barking up the wrong tree, corporations behaving…
/r/MensRights09/01/18 10:53 AM
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Agree with everything you said there. I think it will happen. As for mra's against mens rights, they are working off a twisted version of libertarian. One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had captured a crucial word from the enemy . . . ‘Libertarians’ . . . had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we ha…
/r/MensRights09/01/18 09:13 AM
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You will point out shareholders having influence on corporations. I will then explain that shareholders want short term gains, and because of that CEOs are driven to use short term strategies instead of ones that are better in the long run, and are driven to cut jobs and wages, then they will be given large wages for behaving irrationally and making decisions that have negative and costly long term consequences for men, the environment, the corporation and the economy infavour of short term capi…
/r/MensRights09/01/18 09:02 AM
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A group of people weren't allowed to own property, were forced to pay high taxes, and who weren't allowed to have a voice in how things worked. And you're using them to help your case for preventing people from having a voice in a discussion about how things should work, so that you can tax them heavily and take their property??? Can you clarify what you mean by my trying to prevent people having a voice? I do think that people that want us to regress into fascism / right libertarian free market…
/r/MensRights09/01/18 08:54 AM
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You can be rest assured neither Brietbart and Philips will be not be talking about the cover up of high level pedophile rings with connections to the right wing government in the UK.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 08:50 AM
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Your statement is that right libertarianism isnt top down. Feminists like to believe that they are some sort of grass roots movement too. In reality both movements lead back to deep state. The right libertarian well is already poisoned.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 08:46 AM
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You show up only to argue for less wages and right for men, and and start making all the same arguments.
/r/MensRights09/01/18 08:45 AM
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Yeah, guardian are neoliberal, there isnt difference between Labour and the tories - both right wing. Google blacklists the left wing media, they arent even on that chart. edit - Oh in the 2017 election labour went right back the left.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 11:13 PM
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The whole feminist thing is a way of keeping activists busy blaming men instead if addressing more in convienient problems. McKinnion did a lot of the sexual harassment work, made the laws for the work place - she was funded by a cold war counter marxist foundation.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 11:05 PM
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Nice interview, thanks for posting it. I think this is where the mens movement needs to be, not white working class ... but working class.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 10:34 PM
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Handy little chart here http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/media-bias-chart_3.0_Hi-Res.jpg
/r/MensRights08/01/18 10:22 PM
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Meh, don't know which I like least, Philips and her scapegoating of men for political gain or Brietbart scapgoating muslims for political gain. Both cancer.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 09:12 PM
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Nice one, good luck.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 08:37 PM
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Me too, so long as I don't drink too many, then I am locked. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=locked
/r/MensRights08/01/18 08:27 PM
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A man who mixes great drinks for everyone at a party is a fun at a party, a woman who mixes great drinks for everyone at a party is fun at a party.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 08:22 PM
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A man that can ride any horse is a cowboy, a horse that anyone can ride is a good horse.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 08:18 PM
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Sure. People that are brought up with the ideology that you save yourself for marriage and you have one partner for ever are more likely to do that.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 08:14 PM
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Well, I observe it in myself.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 08:13 PM
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Sure, thats a non brainer. People that like sex like sex so are more likely to have sex. Ive have a number of partners with high numbers that are fiercely monogamous, and one that wasn't.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 08:01 PM
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That ancap thing, its fascism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce7Dclr5ZHg
/r/MensRights08/01/18 07:56 PM
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Nothing wrong with sex.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 07:54 PM
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I think whats going wrong in the us is the creeping privatization of education. Putting the squeeze on teachers means more energy has to go into fighting.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 04:58 PM
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I just want to add something about the conservative mindset here. Before the french revolution the peasants were starving while the aristocrats hoarded vast wealth, when there were bread riots the aristocrats had the peasants massacred. You are framing the peasants as somehow the ones in the wrong, executing people was normal under the rule of the aristocrats. Thats the way things were done the. Its gruesome but thats how it was. Where would we be if everyone wanted to lick the boots of oppresso…
/r/MensRights08/01/18 03:08 PM
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So the only thing Hitler did wrong was kill the wrong group of people? And you're not authoritarian? Never advocated killing anyone, you just randomly made that accusation. If you want to get into who advocates killing people we can start another thread on that, capitalism kills a lot of people, and you won't win that argument. Income disparity is real, but so was the plague. The problem was made worse when people found an easy scapegoat, purged that 'evil' from society, and found that they were…
/r/MensRights08/01/18 02:47 PM
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Few more examples. The elite hiding behind the gender wage gap lie - top down burning male witches. Campaigning the capitalist class for better wages - real thing. Patriarchy theory / modern feminism - top down burning male witches. Campaigning against war, right wing economics and free market ideology - real thing. Right libertarianism - top down, burning government witches.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 02:17 PM
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The jewish conspiracy theory was something that hitler invented to scapegoat a group for problems caused by capitalism. Hitler was burning jewish witches. A different expression of the same sort thing was the elite hiding behind religion, and their religious front groups murdering people that said the wrong thing. These are both top down. Over throwing aristocrats that were living very well having stolen everything while the common folk didnt even have bread, that was real revolution against a r…
/r/MensRights08/01/18 02:06 PM
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Here is the US right libertarian movement continuing to subvert latin america. On August 18, Vice Brasil journalist and occasional Brasil Wire contributor Marie Declerq, broke the news that the Instituto Mises Brasil think tank, which receives funding from US libertarians, has published articles by Christopher Cantwell, the American Nazi who helped organize the Charlottesville Virginia protests. Cantwell made the news recently when he was filmed in a Vice documentary threatening to kill Jews and…
/r/MensRights08/01/18 01:28 PM
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Here, this is a smart guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPUvQZ3rcQ Here is again talking about how lenin is regarded as right wing and why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nUNNSMQwTc
/r/MensRights08/01/18 01:14 PM
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There should be more talk about the racism in feminism. In the height of the civil rights movement white feminism injected black feminism into the movement with a ghost written book by (ex?) cia employee Gloria Steinham, which split the movement. At the very last min. of the civil rights act being passed a republican senator who was against the bill along with white feminist groups got women included as a minority. So, because white middle and upper class women were a much larger group than blac…
/r/MensRights08/01/18 12:50 PM
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They always move the topic from the left to the right. Anti war becomes letting women etc onto the front line. Better wages for everyone becomes the gender wage gap lie. Environmental protection becomes people might have sex.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 11:49 AM
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Sorry I didn't respond to the bit about the neoliberal era. Nixon started the beginning of the end of the Bretton Woods - a lot of people see that as as the end of the compromise between capitalism and labour - the idea that the capitalist class would provide a decent living for the workers who actually did most of the real work. This set the stage for the neoliberal take over. The cia and ford foundation (who were also spreading modern feminism in our universities) were involved in installing f…
/r/MensRights08/01/18 10:26 AM
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Scam alert! This is neoliberalism to a tea, pretending to have some good, anti capitalist agenda, in practice scapegoats men and represents no threat to capitalism or ease of the widening inequality.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 09:55 AM
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Don't listen to people that made their money by stealing, crime, exploitation and oppression crying about how they are being stolen from. Its only manipulation.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 09:51 AM
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Your own citation literally has a section titled "Keynesian ascendancy 1939–79", which would suggest that Keyesian ideas were still dominant in 1971. It also explains that the decline was because "Keynesian principles fared increasingly poorly on the practical side of economics", etc. And there are always people saying that if the masses just burned enough witches, Witch burning is the result of top down religious ideology. The ruling class used to hide behind organized religion and murdered any…
/r/MensRights08/01/18 09:43 AM
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The left generally are smarter, social conservatives have the lowest IQs, liberals are smarter (but still dumb). So as you move left the iq's go up. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/social-conservatives-have-a-lower-i-q-probably/#.WlM6o1SMjOQ
/r/MensRights08/01/18 09:31 AM
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Most here have been duped into advocating against mens rights. Conservatives always take the stupid side of the argument. No to science. No to the earth revolving around the sun. No to evolution. Yes to domination by monarchs. No to enlightenment. Yes to domination by capitalists. No to stopping climate change. Yes to lower wages. But our side always wins in the end.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 09:27 AM
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Its not an uprising like Adam Smith, its conservatism - top down and designed to destroy the mens movement. Its explained to you here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NajQTN9qhXg
/r/MensRights08/01/18 08:56 AM
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Throughout the 1970s and 1980s and up until 2008 it was milton friedman's monetarism that dominated. We have been in the "neoliberal era" that came after bretton woods. "Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism[1] refers primarily to the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2]:7 Such ideas include economic liberalization policies such as privatization, austerity, deregulation, free trade,[3] and reductions in government spending in order to incr…
/r/MensRights08/01/18 08:52 AM
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Critical thinking is not following top down ideology designed to manipulate the masses. They used to use religion and the idea of sin to teach people it was their personal responsibility (sin) that the monarchs lived so well and the masses lived in poverty. Critical thinkers broke us free of that with the enlightenment.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 08:38 AM
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Right libertarianism is too down. Left libertarian isnt. The right libertarian dictatorships were put in by deep state, the entire right libertarian network is funded by billionaires. It leads back to the same source as modern feminism.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 01:03 AM
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So no mention of automation at all - you know that thing that started this conversation? But I guess when you've lost an argument the best tactic is to change topics. Automation. In the 50s and 60s there was automation and the profits were shared with the workers.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 12:34 AM
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Translation. TracyMroganFreeMan is invested in a top down ideology that failed. We over came religion too.
/r/MensRights08/01/18 12:32 AM
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A conspiracy theory has no evidence. A conspiracy with evidence of said conspiracy is not tin foil hattery.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 10:39 PM
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an essential part of my argument will be to show that Keynes viewed a pure fiat regime as being both highly unlikely and highly undesirable. https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1G1-55830815/the-role-of-the-gold-standard-in-keynesian-monetary
/r/MensRights07/01/18 10:37 PM
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What do you say to the man who is dying of curable cancer but lost his job and has no insurance?
/r/MensRights07/01/18 10:16 PM
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Its a fact an average middle class job can't provide what it did. Citation needed. You're going to need more than an amazon link to a book. Ive given you that three or four times already. The ford foundation and cia spread gender studies and were involved in installing the free market dictatorships in latin america. Ford foundation promotes free markets and social justice at the same time on its site today. You don't know much about the history of classical liberalism if you think left libertari…
/r/MensRights07/01/18 10:15 PM
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Privatization is shifting OWNERSHIP to the private sector. Hiring the private sector to build and maintain roads the public sector retains ownership of is NOT privatization. Americans are going to end up paying tolls to private interests, instead of back into government coffers, to use infrastructure. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/10/scam-alert-trumps-1tn-infrastructure-plan The neoliberal movement has to happen by degrees, otherwise the people will be smart enough to resist…
/r/MensRights07/01/18 10:08 PM
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Do you think ending white privilege is code for making everyone equally poor internationally?
/r/MensRights07/01/18 08:40 PM
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Its not tinfoil hat territory because there is evidence and quotes and a money trail. Catherine mckinnions phd was funded by national science foundation, they were a cold war foundation at the time. Her phd was about how marx neglected gender and is was her phd that changed the conversation from class is a social construct to gender is a social construct.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 08:38 PM
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Its not tinfoil hat territory because there is evidence and quotes and a money trail. Catherine mckinnions phd was funded by national science foundation, they were a cold war foundation at the time. Her phd was about how marx neglected gender and is was her phd that changed the conversation from class is a social construct to gender is a social construct.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 08:38 PM
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The system was changed in the early 70s. Nixon basically ended the bretton woods and removed the gold standard and printed a ton of money. We came off the Keynesian system and started using right wing economic instead. This is what I mean by moved to the right, we abandoned the idea that we should be looking after the poor and the workers and the middle and started redistributing wealth up to the top. What else would move to the right mean other that make the rich richer and everyone else less w…
/r/MensRights07/01/18 08:28 PM
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Also economic stability, the more unequal the more volatile and less able to bounce back and recover.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 03:20 PM
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Its some kool aid the right drink. Its like the rust and bible belt people that have been brainwashed into demanding the welfare, food stamps and healthcare their communities depend on be taken away so they can be free. Welfare is a buffer to stop starvation and revolution, and mass homelessness. The capitalist class turned away from the full employment system, sent jobs overseas and welfare demand went up. And the far right now wants to tear up the social contract to take it away and give the d…
/r/MensRights07/01/18 03:16 PM
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Wrong, but you decided to spam up yet another thread, so I'll see you there. Put up the good fight, less for us more them even though we do the real work, you know it makes sense and you arent a victim of brainwashing at all! It's more like double. As I said before almost half of US healthcare spending is directly from the government, most of the rest through mandated insurance coverage through an employer, and all of it is under an extremely heavy and dysfunctional regulatory regime. I have hea…
/r/MensRights07/01/18 02:57 PM
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So, you think it is conservatives those who are against intact families? Not social conservatives. The right wants self serving individualism. Human collectivism has been slowly broken down over time in the west, from the natural collectivism of tribes, to the isolated nuclear family, and now thats being destroyed. When the right introduced patriarchy theory to the left, it destroyed the left (and the civil right movement) it destroyed it because men became the new enemy, men and women were reca…
/r/MensRights07/01/18 02:31 PM
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That's the moment this separated No throughout the 1900s the wages went up with productivity, there was a gold standard right up when to when Nixon removed the gold standard to pay for Vietnam and cause inflation, before that it was off briefly to pay for world war 2. Early 1970, this is also when the right got control, ended the Bretton woods and wages started being stagnated, and it formed the basis for the credit bubble that burst in 2008. The Nixon shock was a series of economic measures und…
/r/MensRights07/01/18 02:25 PM
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Yeah, I know, but brainwashing kids. Its not going to be their fault when they grow up thinking an intact family is bad.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 01:24 PM
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You are showing the power of propaganda. The right wing brainwashing that its never the fault of those in charge. Its always the individuals fault. The church used the same misdirection. They brainwashed people to believe their own sin was the reason they suffered while the elite lived lives of extreme wealth.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 12:51 PM
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Propaganda can be coercive, manipulating minds with deceptive ideology.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 12:32 PM
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Yeah, they are preparing the population for more wealth redistribution up wards. Imo. Notice how the elite keep their extended families, privlage, wealth, collectivism and class interests intact but we are supposed to give up everything, even relationships between men and women.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 12:22 PM
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Yeah, they are preparing the population for more wealth redistribution up wards. Imo. Notice how the elite keep their extended families, privlage, wealth, collectivism and class interests intact but we are supposed to give up everything, even relationships between men and women.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 12:21 PM
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And inequality is relevant because the workers do the real work. Its stupid to argue for a much lesser share of the productivity. Its like idiot patriots in the bible belt demanding the government leave them alone and take away the food stamps, health care and welfare they depend n, so they can be free.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 12:09 PM
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Its not wrong. It a glaringly obvious debunking of your claims. A typical man can no longer get a job, marry and buy a house and have kids right after university any more. To achieve that today, two people need to work for a decade or two. Your ideology is from the same source as feminism and it also cancer. Its worse in fact. Left libertarian - real libertarian is fine.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 11:34 AM
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For example. The infrastructure contracts have been given to corporations. Which is damaging jobs, wages, the middle class and your own economy. Do you get paid to advocate against men?
/r/MensRights07/01/18 11:29 AM
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You just repeat arguments that are against the welfare of the majority of the population that are paid for by billionaires who have been running propaganda to get people to advocate against their own.interests. Do you get paid to do this?
/r/MensRights07/01/18 11:26 AM
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Its relevant because america is being run by savages. Its being investigated for extreme poverty and outcomes only seen in he developing world. Healthcare and social welafre are going to be gutted, and there will be men watching their kids die for want a procedure - like in the developing world. Its relevant because nobody wants the economic savagery exported to their own countries. Ford foundation and cia promoted the fascist free market systems in.latin america, they failed to deliver. Ford fo…
/r/MensRights07/01/18 11:20 AM
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You keep citing stuff from here. Why is America living in an age of profound economic inequality? Why, despite the desperate need to address climate change, have even modest environmental efforts been defeated again and again? Why have protections for employees been decimated? Why do hedge-fund billionaires pay a far lower tax rate than middle-class workers? The conventional answer is that a popular uprising against “big government” led to the ascendancy of a broad-based conservative movement. B…
/r/MensRights07/01/18 10:55 AM
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Privarization is neoliberal.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 10:52 AM
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Sounds like he far right billionaire funded free market network.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 10:51 AM
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Here is the establishment cavalry. You only show up here to argue against mens interests. One man working could buy a home and car and start a family In his early twenties. Now it takes a couple both working a decade or to achieve the same thing.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 10:47 AM
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How do you figure that? Car manufacturing in the 50s amd 60s got more automated and we were still paying workers decent wages.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 10:43 AM
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Thats it exactly.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 10:42 AM
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Fucking awesome!
/r/MensRights06/01/18 08:46 PM
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Wage stagnation for the vast majority was not created by abstract economic trends. Rather, wages were suppressed by policy choices made on behalf of those with the most income, wealth, and power. In the past few decades, the American economy generated lots of income and wealth that would have allowed substantial living standards gains for every family. The same is true looking forward: Overall income and wealth will continue to grow. The key economic policy question is whether we will adopt poli…
/r/MensRights06/01/18 08:42 PM
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For clarity Wage stagnation for the vast majority was not created by abstract economic trends. Rather, wages were suppressed by policy choices made on behalf of those with the most income, wealth, and power. In the past few decades, the American economy generated lots of income and wealth that would have allowed substantial living standards gains for every family. The same is true looking forward: Overall income and wealth will continue to grow. The key economic policy question is whether we wil…
/r/MensRights06/01/18 08:41 PM
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Except for men trying to escape domination by women and by gynocentric society, eh? Then, the left enforces that domination, ruthlessly. Thats traditionalism and neoliberal idpol which is traditionalism on steroids - this is the right.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 08:39 PM
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Its been a common enough topic, its not controversial to say the people have been stagnating while the top have made record gains. We have been neoliberal for decades, one of the objects is wealth re-distribution up.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 08:35 PM
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Could be, we moved to the right around that time. The object of the game is to pay as little as possible and undo the past successes of the left. Ceo wages have skyrocketed.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 08:33 PM
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I'm going to guess that the chart is for manufacturing jobs only, which makes it a bit of a red herring. All wages have been like that, except the top wages. Its just a fact that somewhere along the way, the left wing idea of linking productivity to wages was undone, and thats why men are less well off. Its probably why they distract us with gender wage gap so much. Why would they want to cut costs? Because there is a set budget and our countries are all fairly right wing, they are slowly destor…
/r/MensRights06/01/18 08:23 PM
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It (and variations thereof) existed during the time period that you lauded. Sure. But thats not the measure of mens financial well being. This chart should put this to bed. In 1973 men started getting fucked financially https://aflcio.org/sites/default/files/migrate/files/Five-Causes-of-Wage-Stagnation-in-the-United-States.jpg They also all speak English - is that because capitalism is pushing it on all the poor people who really want to speak French? Of course not, it's because they all came fr…
/r/MensRights06/01/18 07:34 PM
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"Ÿour" Only "classy" gents indeed.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 07:04 PM
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Disguising the fact most peoples wages are being suppressed, while the elite have been making record gains for decades.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 02:17 PM
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Thats the general understanding. The left has a left and right. Lenin and Stalin are the right wing of communism. The left has been all about escaping domination - by church, by monarchy, by corporate bosses, by capitalism. To turn around then and make an oppressive state is a betrayal of what the left stands for, because its right wing in nature. Say hello to corporate tyranny for me.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 02:06 PM
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Im not a communist. I don't think the mens movement should keep making itself look stupid by not knowing whats its talking about, and defending fascism. State communism and the far right / right libertarianism / fascism are all shit.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 12:57 PM
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Not lenin, this is the right wing of the left, which went in the wrong direction. Stalin as well, a right winger and an egotist that instituted brutal state oppression which was a perversion of the left. Say hello to the right libertarian dictator of latin america and giving your wealth the rich.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 12:49 PM
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The point is to always keep the focus off the fact that wages have been disconnected from productivity, so our wages stagnate while the very rich get richer. Keep the focus on elite women in elite jobs, instead of the left mens workers movement.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 12:20 PM
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Non argument. The left is responsible for the enlightenment, ending repression by the church and monarchy, republicanism, adam smith, reducing poverty and starvation with social programs, decent wages for men and a host of positive things. The right is responsible for brutal repression of men and trying to hold on to oppressive regimes and modern feminism. So I don't take being associated with the left as an insult.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 12:02 PM
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Jesus some of the youtubers are confused. Communism doesn't mean working in corporations. Modern Feminism is a creation of the right, designed to derail marxism and communism.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 11:22 AM
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Its going to get worse. Trump is undoing workplace safety regulations. http://www.safetyandhealthmagazine.com/articles/15180-osha-under-trump-a-closer-look
/r/MensRights06/01/18 11:10 AM
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The right created gender studies in the first place, to help destroy the mens movement. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/ Mike and others that are part of that group, there are weighty mens issues that will appeal to a lot of people that you are not paying attention to.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 10:59 AM
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He hasn't got the bottom of it yet. The mens movement - workers rights, unions, anti-war activism, this is threatening to the establishment. The establishment moved much further to the right since the 1980s, workers wages were disconnected from productivity. The mens movement needed to be silenced and shamed. They used modern feminism to help with the economic and social disenfranchisment of men. Petersons fan base is full of soft and hard fascists - right libertarians and to a lesser extent, ra…
/r/MensRights06/01/18 10:35 AM
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You said "Men were doing just fine when we were further to the left." and when asked when this was you said "late 1970s / early 1980s". At no point did you object to me pointing to non-economic (or only tangentially economic) issues. Plus, the law I pointed out was economic (in the sense that it separated custody and financial responsibility), and was on the books during that time period, so I don't get your objection. The law you pointed out doesn't exist. Men that can afford to contest the mot…
/r/MensRights06/01/18 10:01 AM
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it about more money for the top though.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 08:39 AM
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There arent any left wing parties. There are sander and corbyn who are center, the is Jill Stein who is left libertarian - they have rejected the right wing feminist idpol. But there are no left wing parties. Liberal dems and labour rejected left wing politics in the 1980s, thats why there is no party for men anymore.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 08:33 AM
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Yeah, during natural famines and trade blocks. No its not exlusive to the church. The right wants to cut all social spending and transfer the change to the ultrarich. And let churches and charities take care of it. Which will cause starvation, more homelessness and chaos. Like in the bad old days of free market capitalism.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 06:02 PM
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Thanks.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 01:20 PM
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The irish and black slaves got together as well, thats the roots of bluegrass, blues, rock etc.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 01:14 PM
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Its still an exclusive group that doesn't define all men. There is plenty of crossover between men and women at the center of the spectrum.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 01:03 PM
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If it was happening naturally, stoning and other lunatic carry on would never have been needed to enforce it and it wouldnt come apart so easily.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 12:52 PM
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Here is an interesting thing about cultural appropriation. There isn't any stigma attached to people in other cultures wearing levis, adopting gender feminism or drinking coca cola. So cultural appropriation is fine, as long as its imperialist in nature.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 12:34 PM
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Do you have evidence to show it is socially engineered? The fact that its maintained by shaming, man made laws and man made religious teaching. Swans don't need that stuff to keep it going.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 12:31 PM
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It works to take the focus off imperialist appropriation.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 12:25 PM
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Im the same, Im a home owner and my gf's ability to bring in good money makes her more attractive to me as a partner. Obviously in an era where wages are being suppressed, property and stock bubbles are being inflated, and wealth is being redistributed up women will look around and not find many men can support them in having children, which will cause them to look up and value the men at the top more. More even distribution of wealth = more even distribution of attractivness.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 11:48 AM
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Yes but if you speak up about the right causing problems for men, you will get down voted until your speech cant be seen.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 11:42 AM
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but humans absolutely did evolve to be monogamous, Social engineering, not evolution.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 11:14 AM
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Have you ever seen the list of quotes, extreme gender essentialist feminists and the likes of Dworkin along side red pill and soc con mras? You cant tell them apart.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 11:12 AM
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Ill just answer the headline. It is made into a gender issue. The left had a strong anti war movement, then the left was appropriated by the right, and the conversation was turned away from "stop war" to equal representation in the military. Trump used this trick quite well when the rhetoric with N Korea kicked off. He threw out on twitter that transgender people shouldnt serve in the military, to the corporate media got an alturnitive story to run with and distract the population. The mens move…
/r/MensRights05/01/18 11:02 AM
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Im right about many things, thats why the down vote button is used to hide what Im saying so much :p We should have a mens movement that caters to more than the first world problems of "overprivileged college kids".
/r/MensRights05/01/18 10:30 AM
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That's exactly the right thing to do. When you're wrong, change your mind. Nah, I pointed out men were better off ( meaning fiancially) and you stared taking about a law thats no longer on the books. The context was me talking about well off men being insulated from divorce and custody problems. and right wing economics being being the main problem for men today. Here is an example of the extent we are lied to about socialism. Venesuela, everyone has heard the stories - "look socialism". Its act…
/r/MensRights05/01/18 09:08 AM
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but neither does anyone anywhere on the political spectrum. The left. It was all about the mens movement, workers rights, improving safety in death jobs, good wages.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 04:43 AM
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It's right wing policy to not help people through a taxpayer funded welfare state but instead through private individuals and organizations. Yeah, like when the church used to do it. People starving to death.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 04:28 AM
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Down voting is a way of hiding speech, and never responding to it.
/r/MensRights05/01/18 04:24 AM
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Or you live in a fake news bubble. Google is blacklisting all the left wing media. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/10/20/goog-o20.html
/r/MensRights05/01/18 04:15 AM
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The Clintons aren't liberal at all, they're Left which is a phony version of Liberalism. And they most certainly aren't right. Clintons are firmly on the right, the "left"wing parties abandoned the left in the 1980s. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016 Do you live in the UK or something? I notice the UK has proliferated a pretty weird version of our political scene. Americans are lied to about the political spectrum. Far right propaganda calls the right center "the far left".
/r/MensRights05/01/18 04:08 AM
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Canada and Australia have rates about half that of the US - that's still 'routine'. In South Korea the circumcision rate is even higher than the US's, and they're only that way because of western influence. It might not be legally relevant now, but it is relevant to our discussion. You're admitting that at least one thing for men is better now than it was in the 80s. Men we better off fiancially, prior to the 1980s, Thats what I meant. A man and a woman could get married in their 20s and on one …
/r/MensRights05/01/18 04:02 AM
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No, now that I am Im assuming if it was a woman it wouldnt have focused on the dog.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 10:16 PM
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Dont care about freedom of speech then.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 10:15 PM
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Id rather you were more clear. The clintons are neoliberal, which is right - just not as extreme as the further right.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 09:42 PM
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The government cannot fix the homeless problem by throwing money at it. This city did with social spending. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/medicine-hat-homeless-free-update-1.3949030 As long as they are treated equally to women under the law, then they have equal rights. Ok, supporting well funded social health care is very good for men. Generally the right, want to destroy that with cuts.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 09:41 PM
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The Right isn't for redistributing wealth at all, we believe the Government purpose is not to move money around or have any impact on the people besides providing a law to go by and the means to bust wrong-doers. Yes it is. Thats why most people have been getting progressivly less well off and elite wealth has ballooned since the 1980s. The right in the US just put taxes up for most people and gave massive tax breaks to the ultra rich. If anything, the class that is most important to us is the M…
/r/MensRights04/01/18 09:23 PM
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No, you are working an american propaganda model, where liberal democrats are "leftist" and obama is "communist". Thats all bs. Google blocks the left wing media and it doesnt say anything positive about neoliberal identity politics.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 09:16 PM
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What?
/r/MensRights04/01/18 09:15 PM
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Where do you stand on government funding to fix the homeless problem and austerity cuts to social health care that deny men treatment they need? Or new american administration deregulating work place safety regulations? Thats the real stuff, a tolken in an elite university is nothing by comparison.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 09:10 PM
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The dominant ideology here is the right, and the right are for redistributing wealth from the bottom and the middle up to the top, which makes most mens right problems worse.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 09:09 PM
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Do you want men's issues to be a mirror image of elite feminist issues aka first world problems that effect .001 or whatever it is of the population? Mens issues are much bigger than than, and effect a much larger % of the population. The mrm makes a mistake by whining about problems like that, at the expense of far greater ones that appeal to a far larger number of men.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 08:06 PM
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Tolkenism on corporate boards is a princess and the pea elite feminist problem, a red herring to distract us from the real issues of class warfare against the middle and bottom. If we make that a mens issues problem, its a prince and pea problem.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 07:55 PM
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Tolkenism among the elite isn't really an issue, imo. The majority of mens problems are working class and economic problems. Since thatcher there has been steady redistribution of wealth upwards, with labour helping too having abandoned left wing politics in favour of neoliberalism. Meanwhile, our wages have been disconnected from productivity, so have been flatlining while the elite have making massive gains and austerity has been hitting men the hardest. Divorce means ruin for a lot of men bec…
/r/MensRights04/01/18 07:17 PM
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Here is a collection of some of the evidence. There is more in the comments section. What they managed to do was turn the conversation away from class is a social construct, and anti war and turn men into the enemy. Which split the left and left capitalism and class unharmed. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/
/r/MensRights04/01/18 06:57 PM
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When you listen to the right today - say right wing mra's they want safety nets taken away for everyone, same with the extreme right wing in power in the US today, and the right libertarian movement. Feminism acts as a lobby group for women, so they can get safety nets easier. Men tend to vote conservative, so you could say, men vote against safety nets for themselves. The right wing ideology for men is that if they arent doing well, its just down to personal responsibility.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 06:49 PM
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Erin knows her dog was shot in texas, she doesn't know who did it. It could have been feminists. The feminists that attacked Erin were the patriarchy theory type, which was spread by the right on order to split the left. Its still right wing policy not to provide safety nets. Its right wing governments that give all that money to feminist shelters, and dont fund mens shelters.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 06:36 PM
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Nah, this is place for mens rights. The right funded and spread modern feminism, which harms men and right wing policies harm men. And the mens movement has always been left. Speaking up for people against the powers that be is left.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 06:05 PM
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hey aren't taking anyone's health care away. They are getting rid of mandatory fee penalty. It's also not a mens rights issue as it affects everyone. Its just another excuse for you to be partisan. Ten million men will lose their health care. And they are creating a massive deficit, while they are promising they wont gut social safety nets and health care, its expected that they will use the deficit they created as an excuse to gut it anyway. The right don't want universal health care and social…
/r/MensRights04/01/18 05:23 PM
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Ill get back to you about the frankfurt school. Ill say it here actually. Its misdirection - the frankfurt school were saying capitalism was going to tear society apart and were very critical of communist and right wing authoritarianism. In reality, the cia and ford foundation funded postmoderism and social sciences and used postmodernism, or an authoritarian version of it to destroy the left. Please do have a read of all that stuff, when you get the time, if you arent writing a book ;)
/r/MensRights04/01/18 05:20 PM
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Its not feminist inspired codes. Its right wing policy not to help people through safety nets. Feminists have a lobby group for women, and the right don't mind helping women.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 05:08 PM
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They aren't leftists, feminism is right center neoliberal. The only people that call them "the far left, commies and so on are nonsense propaganda sources like infowars, and its repeated by youtubers like sargon and so on that don't know any different. American corporate propaganda calls liberal dems "leftist" too, its nonsense - fake news if you like. Communists and socialists don't like neoliberal identity politics. Thats why you hear tankies say "liberals get the bullet too".
/r/MensRights04/01/18 05:05 PM
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Because the right is against mens rights. The movement is partisan, its right wing - it only attacks feminism because they think its the left (its the right too). The movement need to be non partisan and realize that the mainstream "left" and the right are bad for mens rights. Ill give you an example - lots of mras support trump. Trump and co are undoing mens rights successes of the past - taking away workplace safety regulations and taking away the right for men to take class action suits again…
/r/MensRights04/01/18 05:00 PM
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No saying you are a feminist. Feminists focus on jobs for rich girls and shout down the mens movement when we bring up working class / left issues like homelessness, lack of safety nets for men, war deaths, work place safety. Conservatives focus on redistributing wealth from the bottom and middle and cutting social safety nets etc. The left, used to be men and women together, arguing against the right for a better deal for the middle and bottom. When feminist ideology was introduced to the left,…
/r/MensRights04/01/18 04:55 PM
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Calling for safety nets for homeless men is the last thing you will see in a right wing media outlet.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 04:17 PM
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Unless its the upper class and billionaires, then there is plenty of empath and collectivist sentiment for them as a class.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 04:10 PM
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Its ideology. Manipulating people into looking away from the real problem, which is caused by austerity and cutting social programs.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 04:09 PM
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?Wat? I...nvm... Yeah there is plenty of evidence. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/ The general ideology of the right revolves around maximizing individual liberty Maximizing individualism - me first, fuck you, instead of fostering a community spirit. Look at all the trump voters who are happy about removing healthcare from 10 million men because it means more "freedom". No empathy whatsoever. and limiting the scope of the govern…
/r/MensRights04/01/18 04:05 PM
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Modern feminism is a right wing project. Ford foundation and cia used it to destroy solidarity on the left and the mens movement. Who says there should be no safety nets and wealth redistribution up? The right. Who shames men that speak up about it? Feminists.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 03:48 PM
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Post modernist left is the right. The right wing needs to peddle a lot of ideology to make people believe that redistributing wealth from themselves to the ultra rich is a good idea. The left demands that the right stops creating homelessness with its policies. Or at the very least provides a safety net.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 03:32 PM
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The non-partisan mens movement is a myth. The majority are for policy that makes most mens issues worse.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 02:38 PM
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Right wing deology. Rather than have people rise up and demand the government spend money on helping with the housing crisis they would have us feeling sorry for dogs instead. Subtle manipulation.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 01:53 PM
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Being known as gay man isn't worse than being know as someone who sexually assaults people. There isnt anything wrong with being gay.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 01:10 PM
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The headline by the OP is the making an argument for supremacy and twisting the content of the article.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 12:48 PM
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or are broadly speaking Liberal/ Individualistic enlightenment values This is the left - the enlightenment was a battle against the right. The right wanted us to keep bowing down to gods and monarchs and living in extreme poverty. The right are never on the right side of history, even if they adopt and twist left wing ideals like libertarian and postmodernism and turn them into authoritarian weapons against the masses.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 12:43 PM
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"the personal is political" comes out of the Marxist left of the 60s. No this came postmodernist idpol which was funded and spread by the right.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 12:42 PM
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Ive been there, seen the architecture and geometry in it. Mean while in Dark ages Europe the system revolved around building cathedrals, like a primitive version of what the Egyptians were doing when they were building pyramids and carrying on like ISIS are now. Anyhow, point remains, IDOL is right wing cancer, no matter who is doing it.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 12:32 PM
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This is more divisive idpol. I could argue that western science came from muslims so lets celebrate them over white working class boys. Dont spin the resurgence of the left into a fascist agenda. Dont do it here.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 11:56 AM
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Lets not associate ourselves with a creationist, climate changer denier and pusher of economic fascism. He may well have a point about protecting himself, if thats what it is and not his conservatism that informing his decision, but he's a lunatic. Pence and co are taking away the work place protections the mens movement fought for as well as protections for the elderly against abuse in privately run homes, and thats only the start of it. These people are not our friends, associating with them i…
/r/MensRights04/01/18 11:08 AM
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I actually know whats going on with it. Free market in labour, immigration is used to drive down wages and create a more compeditive environment, and replacement migration because western countries have gone so far right economically that most couples cannot afford to have children till later. Immigration was used to avoid a demographic collapse of "western civilization", which is the opposite of what these fascist conspiracy theorists will tell you.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 10:40 AM
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To an extent, yes. Just as yours is BS fed to reflexively authoritarian leftists. No, it comes from chomsky, a libertarian in the thomas jefferson and adam smith sense. The authoritarian left is a right wing deviation of the left, that hes very critical of. He rejects the postmodernist movement (modern feminism etc) as a top down control ideology, same as he does the right libertarian movement. He is likely right because the "left" we see today, was funded and spread by the same deep state peopl…
/r/MensRights04/01/18 10:20 AM
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The emergence of left wing politicians like corbyn and sanders.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 10:09 AM
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I think men are killing themselves because of "patriarchy", if you take it to mean "the system" thats controlled by corporate interests. Cut backs in wages, healthcare spending, austerity in general all contribute to it.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 10:07 AM
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Oppose austerity and campaign for better socialized health care. Campaign for better wages.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 10:06 AM
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The information needs to be spread around the movement somehow. The people on the right calling lib dems communists, marxists and "the far left" look like tin foil hats anyway bacause that nonsense comes from conspiracy sites like info wars and gets repeated as if its fact. Its like a feminist zombie stat.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 09:53 AM
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If you support the massive wealth transfer from you to the top, you are a masochist.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 09:22 AM
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This new breed of politician, or rather a return of the old left should be supported by us. Corbyn, sanders ... etc. They all saw the success of trump running on left wing promises (which he has no intention of keeping bar immigration reform) so a big swing back to the left is possible. They just have to make sure they differentiate themselves from the right wing illiberal identity politics that took over labour and the dems in the 80s.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 09:20 AM
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Its about wealth distribution upwards. The more our wages are suppressed while the wages and wealth balloon at the top the more exaggerated this hypergamy trend gets.
/r/MensRights03/01/18 08:27 PM
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Labours drift to the right and its red herring focus on rich women in elite jobs has had a negative effect on working class issues? Well no shit angela.
/r/MensRights03/01/18 08:21 PM
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This is just misdirection. The opioid epidemic in the US is linked to economic problems, the drift to the economic right thats been happening since the late 1970s / early 1980s. They don't want the conversation turning to class and the redistribution of wealth upwards. Its also down to freeing the market and free market ideology, if selling hard drugs to the population is good for corporate profits - then it should be done regardless of social cost because market rules and fuck humanity and the …
/r/MensRights03/01/18 06:14 PM
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So the Fed wrecked the economy and the New Deal held back the recovery Thats just bs thats fed to right libertarian people. After the keynesian system was dropped in the early 1980s boom / bust capitalism came back and they had to reemploy it after 2008 . 2009 to get the economy going again. Before the fed and the new deal there was boom / bust capitalism. During the new deal it was the best time for men. Free markets are hell for most people. Stefan Molyeneux tried to pass off that story and go…
/r/MensRights03/01/18 04:47 PM
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Any cheaper option is going to struggle. Market forces dictate we get the more dangerous, more expensive forms of it. So vasegel wont get chosen over testosterone injections. Like wise if vasegel for her is more cost effective it wont get support.
/r/MensRights03/01/18 11:04 AM
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I never advovated communism, anyone who wants full communism or full capitalism is stupid . Unless they are in the small group that benefit. A mixture of free market capitalism and good social policy is best for standard of living and growth. People that are fooled by this right libertarian movement and advocating against their own economic interests.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 09:35 AM
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Thats a fascist channel. Fascists have adopted a lot of our arguments but I don't think we should be linking to fascist sources, because the economics of fascism are bad for most men, and if the minority right wing of the mens movement smear us with fascism, when the dust settles and the world swings back left to a more fair economics fascists will be more hated than they already are. Also their theories on whats happening with immigration and why its happening are retarded.
/r/MensRights03/01/18 08:58 AM
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The sort of economic policies that source promote, makes 20% of the population seem like they are the only "marriage material".
/r/MensRights03/01/18 08:32 AM
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The 'powers that be' use everything to distract people, and make deals with anyone. The only difference is that I don't think that those 'powers' are right or left wing (because they just want power), nor do I think that movements 'switch sides' when they corrupt them. They all went right in the 1980s, the parties that used to be left embraced neoliberalism and took up idpol instead of left wing economics and workers rights. Thats why clinton and obama can be as far right as their opponents and …
/r/MensRights03/01/18 08:08 AM
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Economies aren't based around social policies, unless you are in an islamofascist system, or much further to the left like the us was in.the 50s , in the free market 1800s women and children were in the workforce, 10% of women were middle class and didnt work. Left wing and progressive renegotiation resulted in the one family, one wage system and that is where the nuclear family came from. A market economy based around free market ideology has no regard for social policy, if having all men and w…
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 07:59 AM
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Foundation for Economic Education is also a good way to support the economic destruction of 80% of the population.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 11:29 PM
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Hi Karen, there is a good stash of sources that explain how modern feminism was created by the right in order to kill the left and the mens labour movement. There is the op and several more good ones in the comments. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/ Im passing it on to you because the mrm in general is missing this part of the story.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 11:27 PM
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Im not your juniour, stop trying to sound authoritive, its not a substitute for an argument and people will see through you. You can learn a bit of the history of the system we are in here. http://www.globalissues.org/article/39/a-primer-on-neoliberalism
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 11:09 PM
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Self serving is rich coming from Milo, the economics behind the movement he is involved in are very, very good to his class but not for 80% of people. Its one person whos movement is deep state cancer criticizing another cancerous deep state movement.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 11:01 PM
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Using feminists to stage uprisings in countries that won't hand over their resources to american corporations is nothing new. The Ford Foundation, who created modern feminism and funds feminist groups all over the world was nearly kicked out india for subversion. The feminists at home are used to shout down men and keep the focus of activism away from class, war and capitalism.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 10:59 PM
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Stop trying to sound like you are making some intelligent rebuttal. Knowing things about the economic system we live in, isn't any sort of problem.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 10:51 PM
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No, whats dishonest is pretending to refute whats being said with name calling, shaming tactics, bolding and large font, but no actual argument.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 10:18 PM
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yet reform isn't happening.. when reform doesn't happen naturally... it happens violentl Thats what I think the press to close womens prisons is about, they know they are going to needs more room for problem associated with expanding poverty and cutting back social spending at the same time.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 10:16 PM
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Elizabeth Warren is fine, she is trying to pressure the Navy to stop using dangerous contractors, while trump is removing work place safety regulation and stopping men taking class action suits against companies that put men in harms way. She also did a lot of work on how the middle class is getting fucked economically while trump is fucking the middle class and below. So she is the not the typical corporate puppet lib dem. Clinton, right wing warmonger who plays the idpol game while selling out…
/r/MensRights02/01/18 09:31 PM
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It does actually make sense. Your response doesn't make sense.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 08:33 PM
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If you think you live in a communist country, you are getting your information from hard right propaganda sources, like inforwars, or youtubers that repeat this neoliberal idpol is the "far left" nonsense. And you believe the opposite of the truth, america has been drifting right since the 1980s. The lib dems abandoned left wing economics infavour of neoliberalism, thats whats wrong.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 08:32 PM
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Neoliberal, which is right wing. He is not an actual liberal that would be defending workers rights. He is part of the wealth re distribution upwards that has been harming american men. In fairness he did try to get government road building going again, but he was derailed and the contracts went to corporations in trumps infractructure corporate welfare scam.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 07:26 PM
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Hmmm, I wonder why the US never attempted to "liberate" Norway and steal its "wealth and resources"? US firm have access to norways markets, norway is half way across the right side of the political spectrum. I love how people believe the US is omnipotent. Are you guys paying any attention? There is more information to be had outside the american propaganda system. They dont really got to war for peace, and bomb for freedom. The US is involved in most wars, supplying weapons to ISIS and gets up …
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 07:26 PM
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I know aren't attempting to make arguments.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 07:23 PM
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The mainstream is bad, Breitbart is trash.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 07:22 PM
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You are in some sort of orwellian propaganda bubble.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 07:22 PM
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Obama wasn't really liberal. He is a modern liberal democrat, which is right wing economically plus idpol. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 06:20 PM
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Name calling, shaming attempts, larger and bold text is not a substitute for an argument.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 06:16 PM
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Dude You honestly think that this country is to far right? https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016 Do you realize that we just had the most liberal president since FDR for the last 8 years. Where do you get that we are so far right? Obama would have been considered moderate republican in the 1980s. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 And yea take responsibility for not bettering your self. It's not the government job to force your responsibility on everyone... In the free mar…
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 06:14 PM
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Yeah this is right wing propaganda, its not really the economic polices, its not taking responsibility. They really fuck the people with that one in Singapore, people are afraid to talk about the fact the system is so far right, 60% cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads without government help out of fear of not being seen as taking responsibility, and bringing shame on the while family.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:53 PM
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No, we have enough evidence to show the cia and capitalist foundations created modern feminism in order to destabilise the left. See subreddit and post MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:44 PM
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Ive been in the mrm for a decade, Ive seen the doc.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 05:43 PM
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What wage suppression are you talking about??? Private companies pay whatever the he'll they want in order to stay profitable. You have obviously not looked at any charts on it. Our wages have been flat lined while wages and corporate profits at the top have been making record gains for decades. They stopped raising our wages in line with productivity. The free market The right libertarian movement is scam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NajQTN9qhXg
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:41 PM
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Driven by what we want especially what women want, not what we need. Driven by capitalism and consumerism. Have kids earlier. Can't, right wing economics means there is less and less for average people, and they cannot afford kids till later on. You know what the biggest driver of higher tuition seems to be. Right wing economic polices not providing everyone with equal access to free schooling. Couples wait till they are in a position to have kids. No they don't. They wait until it does not hamp…
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:38 PM
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Trump's on track to say 2,000 false things in his 1st year"... scroll down a bit and you see a picture of women with those pink hats. And that's on a moderate day. So they are neoliberal, half way across the right wing side of the political spectrum. And anyway, if trump supporters aren't up in arms about the lies yet they are dumb.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 05:34 PM
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Give me an example of the redistribution you speak off... Wage suppression, eroding unions, raising wages for the top while keeping wages for everyone suppressed, tax breaks for the top passing more of the deficit on to everyone else, deregulation, privatization. Cutting government spending and passing the change on to the top.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:31 PM
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No, we have enough evidence to show the cia and capitalist foundations created modern feminism. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:29 PM
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The new american version of libertarian (libertarianISM) is corporate tyranny, its not in your best interests. In nature the aristocracy (a true one, not one in which you are born into it) is the natural order of things, the best rise to the top. Not necessarily. The game is rigged for most people - class system for example. he Democrat party has a horrible history and based on the personalities of those who introduced progressive (what is being called that) legislation it was never done from a …
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:26 PM
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You are standing up for citing brietbart, citing junk media a bad idea.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 05:24 PM
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Who said anything about communism? I was critczing right wing wealth re distribution upwards, not endorsing communism.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:14 PM
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Why exactly is it today that causes people to have to put off having kids? The system was turned into a dual income family system, which overturned the left wing idea of one wage supporting one family. Then there is wage stagnation, in the US the school debt has to be paid. Couples wait till they are in a position to have kids.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:12 PM
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Socialist polices don't cause the US to sabotage socialist economies, the US does it because they want the countries resource wealth in private hands instead of the people of that country. If socialist polices failed, the US wouldn't have to invest billions in economic warfare and destabilization - they would just fail all by themselves. They got their way, turned them all into free markets and it failed.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:10 PM
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Ahh, the good old 'evil USA ruined everything' argument. No, I just stated what happened. The same capitalist foundations that created modern feminism helped put the puppet dictator/ free market regimes in place. Before that the socialist economies were not allowed to borrow, trade, there were import restriction and intentional destabilization, the goal being to "liberate" the countries wealth and resources. The US and the elite are sabotaging venezuela because the president is taking some of th…
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 04:48 PM
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Free market capitalism doesn't work, first america destroyed the socialist economies there, then converted them to free market / puppet fascist dictatorship economies, and it was a disaster.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 04:37 PM
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Thats a lot of red pill theory that leaves out the economic reality that right wing polices are transferring the wealth and power from the 80% to the 20%. Its like patriarchy theory, a red herring if you want to understand whats going on. A man can still earn enough to have kids with a wife that stays at home till all kids are in school then works some around their schedule. Top 20% can do that. Most people have to put children off until late 30s early 40s.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 04:35 PM
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The democrat party have been right wing for decades. They are helping with the redistribution of wealth and power from us to the top. Then they pretend to be "left wing" by citing bullshit about the gender wage gap. Progressive and left wing media is actually blocked by google, and the mens labour movement has been forgotten about and destroyed by feminism so the left is non existent basically.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 04:35 PM
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It doesn't work, thats why the majority of men have been getting less and less off since the 1980s and the powers that be have to lie about the gender wage gap being the real problem to distract us. http://www.coha.org/the-free-market-experiment-in-latin-america-assessing-past-policies-and-the-search-for-a-pathway-forward-the-first-of-a-three-part-series/
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 04:27 PM
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Yeah, this idea of a partisan movement is bullshit.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 04:25 PM
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The standards of people that want money out of politics. The right libertarian movement has been sucessful in rolling it back.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 04:25 PM
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Its just a distraction. They don't want people actually waking up and realizing that right wing economic policy is the real problem. If men vote for their own economic destruction amd exclusion from social programs then men are fucking themselves.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 04:18 PM
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Thats not a belief. Sure, nonsense propaganda outlets will depict liberal democrats as "far left"- but its just orwellian propaganda. What I told you is accurate. For examle. In Australia, neoliberal economic policies (known at the time as 'economic rationalism' or 'economic fundamentalism') were embraced by governments of both the Labor Party and the Liberal Party since the 1980s. Neoliberalism - Wikipedia https://www.google.ie/search?dcr=0&source=hp&ei=rq9LWo_fJYiPgAaGoJqwDg&q=australia+neolib…
/r/MensRights02/01/18 04:14 PM
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If you listen to the sources in the bottom right, they will make you believe that nyt, wp and so on are far left. Its part of the propaganda.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 04:12 PM
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And most of the lost jobs are fue to leftist policy We live in right wing countries that have have been practising right wing economic policy since the 1980s. The liberal and labour parties abandoned workers rights in favour of neoliberalism, thats why they talk about ficticious wage gap while helping redistribute our wealth to the top. So left wing economic polices have been replaced with right wing economic polices. Thats why men are suffering more these days.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 04:09 PM
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The entire ideology was created from the start with the goal of the destruction of male authority. Modern academic feminism is different because it was funded by cia and ford foundation and similar with the intention of destroying the mens labour movement / the left.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 04:06 PM
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Thats a bit hypocritical because Yiannopoulous promotes right libertarianism and far right economics, which is great for his class but terrible for most mens futures. Its an argument over whos cancer is worse.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 03:56 PM
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How is being a net taxpayer not hard when right wing economics has been sending the jobs over seas and moved us from the keynesian model of full unemployment - to the intentional creation of more unemployment and poverty to increase competition and reduce wages, which in turn creates more demand for welfare, to avoid starvation and revolution. What about the privatization of education, where right wing polices put the chance of a good education out of reach for more and more people? It sounds li…
/r/MensRights02/01/18 03:50 PM
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The issue isn't quotas in elite jobs, thats only a minor thing that grabs headlines. Its only capitalism using tolkenism to protect itself. The real issue is the re distribution of wealth from 80% of men to the top 20%. Making the top 20% the only "marriage material".
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 03:20 PM
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Im in favour of people standing up for themselves really. If you don't want to be assaulted, its best not to assault people.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 02:50 PM
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Ok, so all of this 21st century stuff is at most just an unintended, distant consequence of CIA meddling. You aren't suggesting any large-scale current influence? The powers that be still use the new left to distract people. Thats how say, Obama can be as right wing as the people he runs against, but still come out looking progressive and left wing, how clinton can be a corporate warmonger and appear left because she talks about the ficticious wage gap. So if they'd kicked out the MRM but kept d…
/r/MensRights02/01/18 02:46 PM
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Well, the fact that google is blacklisting left wing sites and you are calling neoliberal sources left wing https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/10/20/goog-o20.html would suggest its you that has the wool pulled over their eyes.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 02:37 PM
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I know this is veering into rape culture theory, but I think its something of an issue that he made the connection that topless meant he would touch her without permission. That conservative shit needs to go.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 02:34 PM
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What it really needs to address is the vast income re distribution thats being going on, from ordinary men to the elite classes.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 02:30 PM
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What I find hilariously saddening about the mainstream 'left' is how they elevate upper middle class white women above working class men. This is anti-left, it's a neo-left that's forgotten about concentration of wealth in the upper echelons of our pyramid which has pretty much nothing to do with sex. Its a right wing appropriation of left. https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/15/why-the-cia-cares-about-marxism/ And if you follow the history, modern feminism and the modern free market fascist mo…
/r/MensRights02/01/18 01:40 PM
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Not usually. I'm still a little out of it from yesterday. And you still aren't doing yourself any favours by citing junk media.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 01:38 PM
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Blank Slate, or tabla rasa isn't a feminist idea at all. Aristotle was the first known person to advocate it. It used to inform the basis of the mens movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabula_rasa What feminists did was apply it to gender, which helped the right take the focus off class being a social construct, which took over from the focus on working mens issues and getting a better deal from the elite, keeping big money out of politics and so on. The feminist that introduced the idea th…
/r/MensRights02/01/18 01:32 PM
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People who can read and want to appear credible and like they can differentiate between crap and news should avoid using brietbart. If its AP, you can simply find it elsewhere and not damage the storys and your own credabiity.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 12:58 PM
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Thats all horseshit by people that don't understand whats going on. Sargon thinks neoliberalism is "the far left". Refugee crisis are caused generally, by the US, its being done in the name of capitalism and "economic freedom". Home » Global » U.S. wars caused refugee crisis U.S. wars caused refugee crisis By Sara Flounders posted on September 8, 2015 U.S. wars, starvation sanctions and planned destabilization are the overwhelming cause of the surge of hundreds of thousands of war refugees flood…
/r/MensRights02/01/18 12:54 PM
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2016/2017 saw various past success of the mens movement overturned. The corporate take over of the US government. Workplace safety regulation being deregulated. Taxes going up for the majority, and down for the rich.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 12:47 PM
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Well, if you want to post sources that don't immediately look questionable, don't use junk media thats well known to be biased and inaccurate.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 12:45 PM
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Seems a little unfair. The majority which are being disenfranchised one way or another by capitalism didn't ask for it to happen, it was done to them.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 12:42 PM
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Men in isolated tribes and men at the beach seem too handle it quite well.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 12:30 PM
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She was sexually assaulted. If you are wearing fitted jeans that show your shape, and a man grabs your balls, are you going to believe you did it?
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 12:28 PM
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Its just more questionable if it comes from Brietbart - the association with junk media. http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/media-bias-chart_3.0_Hi-Res.jpg
/r/MensRights02/01/18 12:24 PM
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That's a minority of sexless conservatives that have been taught that clothes causes rape and criminals that use their religious teaching as a cover to commit their crimes. And I don't think its in anyway representive of refugees, unless you think that men that rape are representive of men too. The refugee "problem" is really an American intervention problem.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 11:57 AM
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I'd make that claim. The "new left" is a right wing appropriation. If it was left wing, it would be blacklisted by google with the rest of the left wing media.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 11:55 AM
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Guardian and Independent are neoliberal. not left. Google blacklists left wing media.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 11:52 AM
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Thats a bad "news" source. They will give you all this outrage stuff about the other side, but not report on whats wrong with the other.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 11:46 AM
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Great, I hope thats true because Im going there next year.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 11:34 AM
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Ignore the fact the system loves locking up poor men, and goes very easy on white collar crime.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 11:28 AM
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American police state discriminating against black men. And the way the system goes much easier on women and white colar crime. If white collar crime was applied as vigoriously as working class crime the jails would be full of professionals.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 11:27 AM
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Well done on standing up yourself! As for right wing libertarians. They aren't really libertarians. Explaination here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUs_Q_rfl9I Anyone who is being tempted by this deviation of actual libertarian, should watch this, its really just about corporate tyranny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NajQTN9qhXg Advocvating right "libertarian" will be good for your fiancial future, if you are already in the top 20% and particularly if you are in the top 1 and 0.1. % But gen…
/r/MensRights02/01/18 11:18 AM
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There was progressive legislation that kept politics cleaner.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 10:55 AM
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Calling people other peoples names isnt an argument.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 10:37 AM
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Its code for committed to corporate tyranny. Adam Smyth and Thomas Jefferson would have objected to those groups appropriating leftwing ideas like liberty and using them to promote tyranny, destruction of the environment and murdering people in other countries.
/r/MensRights02/01/18 10:34 AM
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Evidence that the CIA was promoting transgender rights in the 50's??? Nobody said that. Transgender rights came later, as part of the postmodern / feminist movement the cia and capitalist foundations created. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/ That already happened. The 'left wing' (if we have to put it that way) did have pro-men's-rights feminists up until the 70s, but then they (e.g. Warren Farrell) were expelled for not limiting…
/r/MensRights02/01/18 10:33 AM
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Its the corporate take over of government, due to the drift to the right. We can take control of it back, by supporting people like sanders, warren. Stein and corbyn.
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 09:45 PM
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Chile was a failure. But I guarantee you american corporations still control the bulk of the countries wealth. The government maintained control of the copper mining sector during the dictatorship, and that is cited as one of the reasons that there was any sort of real sort of economic success at all.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 08:23 PM
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Your future is getting bleaker, but its not the governments fault, its not the fault of the poor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NajQTN9qhXg
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 08:20 PM
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Im a libertarian, in the real, european sense. Noam Chomsky explains it to Stefan Molyneux - 2 min vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUs_Q_rfl9I
/r/MensRights31/12/17 08:13 PM
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A larger government increases growth. If you think you are slave if a few .01 % points of your tax helps people at the bottom as per the social contract to stop the starving and the revolution, wait to you see america further descending into a latin american style free market fascist system where 60 to 80% dont have basics and you are breathing in poison and your food is full of chemicals because all the pollution regulations are gone. Where they mercilessly suppress your wages because all the l…
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 08:05 PM
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Sorry, I will get sources but I won't read them for people too :P
/r/MensRights31/12/17 07:48 PM
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Decent countries don't do that to their populations. The mens movement shouldn't advocate that poor men should be treated like that.
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 07:46 PM
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They don't understand it, they blame women, feminists, "cultural marxim", "the far left", "communists" and or jews conspiring to replace white people depending on which one you are taking to. What country in latin America is as you described? Anyone of the ones the US put puppet dictators in charge of that brutally oppressed the men in, so american corporations could have a "free market" to "liberate" all the wealth from. http://www.coha.org/the-free-market-experiment-in-latin-america-assessing-…
/r/MensRights31/12/17 07:45 PM
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Ya know, people talk about how feminism was alright until it jumped the shark and the loonies took over. I think we are at the point where the right of the mrm has jumped the shark.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 07:13 PM
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Yeah I ignored that, thanks for picking it up :)
/r/MensRights31/12/17 07:10 PM
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Yeah I ignored that, thanks for picking it up :)
/r/MensRights31/12/17 07:10 PM
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Hoff Sommers is selling us out he American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is an influential right-wing think tank that advocates for lower taxes, fewer protections for consumers and the environment, and cuts to the social safety net.[1] AEI describes itself as "committed to expanding liberty, increasing individual opportunity, and strengthening free enterprise."[2] In 2014 The Washington Post wrote that under CEO Arthur Brooks, AEI had emerged as "the dominant conservative…
/r/MensRights31/12/17 06:51 PM
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They and the left have a far more intelligent critique of neoliberal idpol than the right do. The american right just voted their own country away to "the swamp" as the solution, which is like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 06:46 PM
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Much of this comment is just bold faced assertion. Can you provide evidence that countries that have a large refugee problem are due to US intervention? Might well sound like that if you are in a totalitarian media system where they tell you going to war is for peace, and bombing people is for freedom. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/35383-will-the-us-own-up-to-its-role-in-europe-s-refugee-crisis
/r/MensRights31/12/17 06:37 PM
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People should revolt and stop thinking they have to blindly support one shit or the other shit.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 06:35 PM
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Neither should be trusted. Trump supporters that are not revolting are idiots.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 06:34 PM
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The fact that there's a issue with a birthrate in western countries doesn't mean the only solution is to then mass import people I never said it was the best solution, I said it was what is happening - it illustrate how stupid people like BPS are - they dont even know their own topics. The best solution for me would be to go back to the left so more people can afford to have more children. And obviously more socialist programs will exacerbate the cost of living. Get rid of the welfare state and …
/r/MensRights31/12/17 06:29 PM
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No, not unless the DNC clear out its right wing, which it won't. As you can see, Killary started out even further to the right than Trump in the elections. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016 But Trump is probably a lot further to the right now, given that he has dropped all pretense about being for ordinary men. They blackballed sanders and will blackball him again. Sanders would be the best bet for Trump voters who voted for him based on the false promises of helping ordinary men, …
/r/MensRights31/12/17 06:03 PM
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That exposes a far right bias. Im going to make a few points to show black pigeon speaks is an idiot, as are all the far right people. They talk about immigration causing the collapse of "western civilization" (which is code for white people). Immigration has been used to stop the west collapsing due to demographic implosion. In the west there is not enough money there for a couple to start reproducing in their 20s, unless they want to be on welfare, this is because of the drift to the right, an…
/r/MensRights31/12/17 05:56 PM
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Its not a theory when there is evidence. The left wing was the mens movement. Who wins if its replaced by rich girls shouting down the mens movement.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 05:33 PM
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Im not a communist.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 04:16 PM
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No, myself and others in the movement have lots of evidence that neoliberal idpol is right wing. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/ The left attacks it, the left has some of the best criticizms of it.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 04:14 PM
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No I and others have done lots of research on it and gathered the evidence. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/
/r/MensRights31/12/17 04:12 PM
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Gonna make a fool out of him now :)
/r/MensRights31/12/17 04:10 PM
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Hey hows it going? Did you see this thread? MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/ You need to put the prefixes in yourself because the antomod wont let me x post.
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 04:09 PM
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Ok. Well Killary and obama, they are psuedo left, right center llliberal idpol. Which is bad for men. Trump, he lured men in with lots of left wing talk - job creation, lower taxes for the middle class, helping the working man, bringing jobs back, getting the big money out of politics etc. But it was a bait and switch, the policy is now hard right, the swamp has taken over and its blatent make the rich richer at the expense of ordinary men, he is eroding mens rights success of the past, tax for …
/r/MensRights31/12/17 04:05 PM
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Alright, the former.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 03:38 PM
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Not sure if you are mocking right wingers who think crypto right wingers Killary and Obama are communists and prefer Trump, who is even worse than for mens rights, or are mocking me.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 02:54 PM
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These dummies will turn around one day and realize they are fascists and that their ideology is not left wing, but right wing.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 02:39 PM
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This article is great. I don't know if the author realizes it but, its fundamentally this. The white privilege ideology, dictated by rich people erases issues of class, and recasts working class people as the ones with privilege that should be given up. Its basically an attack on the mens movement, which is a left wing, class based movement primarily populated by white men, because of demographics in western countries. After being in the mens movement for a decade and given it lots of thought I …
/r/MensRights31/12/17 02:32 PM
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Thanks. Yeah, its like he's a robot devoid of nuance and empathy. Someone described him as a fundamentalist conservative - someone else said that free market fundamentalism has taken up the space in the conservative mind that religious fundamentalism once occupied. Might be some truth in that.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 01:44 PM
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If men thought all these fearful, colonized, indoctrinated things about pregnant women, we wouldn't get women pregnant. Right before that you said what the fuck is this hormonally imbalanced baby lump talking about I think that is the sort of thing she is talking about.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 01:29 PM
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Milo is right about some stuff, where he has appropriated our arguments (arguments from the left). Out side of that he is awful, his economics are anti man (and people for that matter) and the freedom of speech he is for is that for the far right, economic fascism and crypto-racism.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 01:08 PM
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There are all right wing junk media though. They have a history of distracting people with pedo-hysteria, scapegoating immigrants, sport and outrage instead of reporting actual news. The big mens rights news at the moment is this. Trump cons the working man with tax bill. GOP removes workplace safety regulations in death jobs. Trump stops men taking class action suit against companies that expose them to injury. Senator Warren pushes Navy to stop using dangerous contractors. None of this stuff g…
/r/MensRights31/12/17 01:03 PM
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Im with Chomsky on what Shapiro represents. Savagery, and extreme corporate totalitarianism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AOsrzKKKdk I'd point out to JTO that what he is calling the progressive left, is not really the progressive left. Evidence of Google blacklisting of left and progressive sites continues to mount https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/08/08/goog-a08.html What jto is calling the progressive left, is really regressive. In other words its conservative - right center neoliberal…
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 12:46 PM
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Yeah, they think fox "news" is news is real news too. They are all for free speech until some criticizes them, then its hide with the down vote button and run away.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 12:31 PM
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Necessity for what? Making sure mens labour unions were destroyed and massive redistribution of wealth from average men to the already rich? I dont think that was necessary. Men were doing just fine when we were further to the left.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 12:28 PM
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This stuff came from capitalist foundations and the cia. It was created and promoted by western men.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 12:24 PM
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The graph conflates far left and liberal. Total bullshit, its like conflating left center and far right and calling it the same thing. If course they are mostly left if you mis- label 3/4 of the political spectrum left wing. If they were labelled correctly, the majority would be right wing.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 12:00 PM
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But not even further to the right. The reason men have these problems and the mens movement is being shouted down by rich girls is neoliberal idpol is really right wing. Going further right will make men even worse off.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 11:59 AM
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The left does boot right center illiberal idpol out of their platforms, because illiberal idpol is a right wing appropriation of the left. A marxist group I read is always trying to push back appropriation by illiberal idpol. The thing is all the left wing platforms are blacklisted by google and sanders (who is really centrist but would be big improvement) was blacklisted by the media and the dnc. For example, here is a left wing site that google blacklists on neoliberal idpol. Last year, Daniel…
/r/MensRights31/12/17 11:11 AM
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Sharpio is against the mens movement, he is for even more wealth distribution upwards to his own class. Noam Chomsky, who is a true libertarian calls the economics sharpio represents "savagery"and I agree with that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExYJt_SX6E Do we really want assholes like that dictating that a man who loses his job, gets destroyed in a divorce because right wing policy doesn't leave enough to go around, and then he gets cancer and we should just let him die in a ditch with no …
/r/MensRights31/12/17 10:26 AM
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Orwellian propaganda. US election 2012 https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 US election 2016 https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016 The problem is we are too far right, and universities are awash with a type of nazism that scapegoats patriarchy instead of international jewry and average white men instead of jews. Illiberal idpol is right wing. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/
/r/MensRights31/12/17 10:15 AM
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Its nazism / fascism in a skirt. Fascists on both sides now.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 10:04 AM
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That guys politics is sociopathic and very bad for mens rights. All he seems to care about is income redistribtion from average men to him. edit - look what these right wing free speech advocates (when its economic fascism and neo nazis) think of speech they dont like, they hide it with the down vote button.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 04:32 AM
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Yeah. Its a trap, they got men to jump out of the right center neoliberal idpol frying pan, into the hard right fire. Trump and co have dropped all pretense of being for the average people. Here is that link I sent to you. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7mqvh5/how_the_ford_foundation_created_womens_studies/
/r/MensRights30/12/17 08:58 PM
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There is the real american mens rights news. Gop reneges on promises, tax bill a massive give away to the rich. Gop erodes work place safety in death jobs, companies no longer required to report safety records. Trump stops men taking class action suits against companies that harm them. Senator warren demands navy stop using dangerous contractors that harm workers. Fox news talks about buzzfeed is fake news talking about fake news.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 06:25 PM
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Thanks
/r/MensRights30/12/17 05:21 PM
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Its a comedy routine about a silly thesis that was promoted by buzzfeed I think it was. But the setting is that of a news show. It couldnt be more fake news. This is what right wing news channels are distracting people with. None of these channels are talking about trumps tax bill scam, infrastructure scam or the attacks on the safety of men in dangerous jobs. Its entertainment dressed up as politics and news.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 05:02 PM
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In the real american mens rights news. US tax bill that promised to help men is really a massive give away to the rich. US has stopped men taking class action suits against companies that expose them to dangerous conditions. US no longer requires companies to disclose their safety records. Senator Warren is pressuring Navy to stop using dangerous contractors.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 04:37 PM
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American fake news. Can we do something to stop the trash and fake news here?
/r/MensRights30/12/17 04:25 PM
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American fake news.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 04:18 PM
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Thats a projection. You gave your mind a politican more fake, and more dishonest than they usually are who makes little effort to hide it, who lies and lies to you, and you repeat fake news as if its fact. You are dumber than an illiberal democrat, they are tricked in less obvious and more complex ways.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 04:17 PM
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You are an idiot. Among the most stupid of the american electorate that takes fake news seriously. Now, I take no argument you make seriously.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 03:15 PM
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Afraid not. I posted what was really said, you lacked the intregrity to admit you were quoting fake news as real news. Instead you kept going, trying to defend fake news. You cannot tell fake news from real news.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 03:09 PM
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You are an idiot who is wasting both our time with your "fake news is the real news" argument. You are not to be taken seriously.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 02:55 PM
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You are so involved in fake political news, you think everyone who disagrees with right wing fake news is automatically an illiberal democrat. You are only harming your own intelligence by taking fake news seriously. It means you aren't to be taken seriously.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 02:53 PM
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Or in other words - some group that makes money from baby formula has paid for a study to promote baby formula. Its frightening whats happened in america. People arguing with random feminists, or someone who is paid to play the role of a random feminist has replaced any sort of political debate. In the real american mens rights news. US tax bill that promised to help men is really a massive give away to the rich. US has stopped men taking class action suits against companies that expose them to …
/r/MensRights30/12/17 02:50 PM
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Im not an illiberal democrate. You are only harming yourself by arguing that fake news is real news. You are dumb, like illiberal democrats.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 02:45 PM
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Arguing that fake news is real news, is only doing yourself harm. You are dumbing yourself down to the least intelligent of the american electorate.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 02:24 PM
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In other words, someone at pediatric journal has an agenda to keep the "lets make everyone individualist wage slaves" movement going.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 02:16 PM
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Obscene. This movement should really take up where the civil rights movement was derailed by white rich girl feminism as part of its cannon.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 02:14 PM
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You take fake political news seriously. You are just an idiot arguing about politics, with no real idea whats going on.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 02:11 PM
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In an era where massive inequality is opening up, its no suprise that suicide would be on the rise too. Social programs that ease inequality seem to lower the rate of suicide. The present study shows that income inequality is an important determinant of suicide in Brazil. Each 10-point decrease in the Gini Index would result in a 5.5% decrease in the suicide rate. According to this decrease, 538 individuals less would die each year.Apr 30, 2015 Impact of Income Inequality and Other Social Determ…
/r/MensRights30/12/17 02:09 PM
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You are an idiot, so wrapped up in american l v r fake news you are behaving like a complete tool. I'll never take you seriously again.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 02:06 PM
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More faux outrage from the american fake news network.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 02:03 PM
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The debate was over a long time ago. Your quote out of context from a fake news site was shown to be just that. You just don't have the intelligence or intratity to admit it. This is why people shouldnt argue with idiots.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:56 PM
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You are a complete idiot.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:52 PM
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You are lying to avoid taking responsibility for the out of context quote you quoted as fact from a fake news site. You want to be lied to and enjoy being irrational, apparently and wont be a grown up.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:48 PM
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You are liar, who lies to defend the lies they read on fake news sources. You have no integrity. And you support getting screwed by the system.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:43 PM
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You have no intregrity.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:36 PM
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You have no intregrity.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:36 PM
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You have no integrity and support fake news even when you know its fake. This is what standing up for american workers looks like. Thanks to Trump, Workers May Soon Lose the Right to Bring Class-Action Lawsuits https://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/trump-supreme-court-class-action-lawsuits-arbitration-workers-rights
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:33 PM
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So you just ignored the fact Sanders went to the press, told them it was out of context and reiterated his position - that the gop tax bill is a fraud. You have no integrity.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:32 PM
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Also the far left screws men. you dont know what the far left is. This is left of center, not the far left, or illiberal democrats defending work place safety for men. https://www.revealnews.org/article/how-an-industry-group-is-driving-trumps-workplace-safety-agenda/ Own up to the fact that you used an out of context quote as a source.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:28 PM
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Own up to the fact you were using an out of context quote as a reliable source.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:23 PM
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Now you are lying about me to defend the lies you repeated. Its probably too frightening to face up to the reality that illiberal Democrats are screwing men and the GOP are screwing men.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:21 PM
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Defending your fake news, out of context quotes after they have been exposed as fake news is stupid of you.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:16 PM
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A fake news site taking quotes out of context doesn't mean there has been a change in what politically astute people know the tax plan to be.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:15 PM
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No, thats center right idpol.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:14 PM
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The left also fought to pay men less, and to throw men out of college for falsely being accused of rape. No, thats right center liberal idpol which was spread by the right to defeat the left. The left is the reason men have hazard pay and work place safety. The left fought the right for that. Trump is removing workplace safety regulations.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 01:02 PM
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You should really consider reading better sources. Sanders responded to the lies. Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont hit back at conservatives in a Wednesday statement for taking recent comments he made about their massive tax overhaul "completely out of context." "The Republicans are so desperate to spin their disastrous tax plan that they have resorted to taking comments I recently made completely out of context," the progressive senator said. "Let me set the record straight." He calle…
/r/MensRights30/12/17 12:53 PM
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You just repeated out of context quotes you read on fake news sites as if they are true and your own opinion. You didn't even fact check, you just parroted propaganda and lies from american fake news sources. This is what people people that know whats going on, like Bernie Sanders see. What this is all about is nothing more than the Republican party very generously rewarding their wealthy campaign contributors,” he said. was based on the “rightwing extremist ideology of the Koch brothers. You ca…
/r/MensRights30/12/17 12:48 PM
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What I was getting at is that the far right seem to be trying to position themselves as the movement for men. When I was doing research on the right funding illiberal idpol I followed the money on pro mens rights people too and it lead back to the far right.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 12:35 PM
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Jp understands right center illiberal idpol as marxism and the far left. He has a bit more research to do given this is the right and highly individualist, not the left.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 12:33 PM
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You have proven yourself to be an idiot that believes fake news. Bernie Sanders says his viral comments about the GOP tax plan were taken 'completely out of context' http://uk.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-republican-tax-plan-comments-2017-12?r=US&IR=T He said tax cuts for the middle would be a good thing, if they didnt expire. You have no idea whats going on in politics. Thats why you are advocating against the interests of men, and working men and thinking you are doing the opposite.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 12:25 PM
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bernie sanders said the bill is a disaster. You must be reading fake news.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 12:07 PM
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The left fought for hazard pay and protections for workers in death jobs. Mens rights isnt about blindly supporting one political party that screws men over another that screws men. You are just injecting american political theater into your mens rights.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 12:05 PM
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Im going to ignore your randomly talking about the far left because its irrelevant. No partisan source says the bill is good. The gop and the illiberal dems are in the same business of making average men less well off while balloning the wealth of the rich.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 12:01 PM
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Where are your sources protecting the new tax bill? Mras should attack right center illiberal democrats and the far right gop, because they are both fucking men.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 11:40 AM
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If your goal is equal representation in jobs, you are a feminist. If you dont care about men being treated as disposible in death jobs and dont care about them freeing the market to make it easier to do that. You are a traditionalist.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 11:38 AM
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Except you've failed to notice that your talking points are outdated, and your hyperbolic misrepresentation of the tax bill has already been retracted. Oops. Have you got a source, the tax bill was roundly rejected as a heist that will produce low growth. As a blue collar dangerous job worker, you can go fuck yourself with your conflation of osha with gender equality. The issue that women are too privileged to work roughneck jobs is entirely seperate from the security theater that is osha mandat…
/r/MensRights30/12/17 11:15 AM
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https://www.revealnews.org/article/how-an-industry-group-is-driving-trumps-workplace-safety-agenda/
/r/MensRights30/12/17 11:09 AM
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Its the illiberal right center and the far right.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 11:03 AM
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Trump is promoting more inequality than Obama. Massive give aways to the rich and putting average mens tax up, eroding mens work place safety regulations, stopping men take class action suits against corporations that harm them, stopping the requirement that companies report their injury record. He is attacking mens rights success of the past. If it's women demanding a full hair salon treatment at a men's barber shop that isn't equipped for it and pretending they are being mistreated, screw them…
/r/MensRights30/12/17 10:19 AM
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Wtf is going on?! Capitalist class is breaking the mens labour movement and the middle class and redistributing massive wealth upwards. Meanwhile they want the masses, who know something is wroing, to blame scapegoats, government, average white men (its elite white men doing it), minorities, "the far left", "big government" and so on - anyone except the real culprits. They have even brainwashed people into believing the right libertarian movement is the answer, when its the problem.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 10:08 AM
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Re distribiting wealth up wards. For example, shutting down government spending on infrastructure, making all those men unemployed so the rich can have more tax breaks. Stagnating our wages, while wages and profits for the rich balloon. Then running propaganda blaming government and distracting people from the real problem.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 09:54 AM
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Im not bothered by people creating wealth, im talking about wealth being redistributed up, the driving force behind men being destroyed in divorces, rising homelessnss, safety regulations in death jobs being erroded, pollution regulations being eroded, and so on.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 09:51 AM
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They arent the left. They are the right as we established on this thread.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 08:56 PM
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Yes I know. The point is why are shady groups like that picking up known mrm people.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 08:46 PM
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Ther is victimization of elderly people and trump is removing some of their protections. He is also removing protections for men in death jobs. Yet this movement cares more about some stupit comedian doing an all female show.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 08:41 PM
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I dont think she was forced. The issue is why are these shady groups targeting the mrm and paying her to talk about mens issues.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 08:39 PM
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Equal rights amendment. The right opposed it, thats partially why american men have this trouble. And its only a publicity stunt.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 08:37 PM
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And why are these shady right wing groups targeting us by hiring her?
/r/MensRights29/12/17 07:38 PM
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Its hilarious that people watch this as a "news "channel. More like a "lets create all these false divisions and make the stupid fight among themselves while we rule them"channel. Does any show on that channel give people real news?
/r/MensRights29/12/17 07:32 PM
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Funny, because feminist women were attacking a male barbers because they wont serve women, and we supported their stance. Now we are likening ourselves to blacks in the era of segregration because of a marketing gimmick. Mens rights and men are under attack, particulary now with the new administration in the US, that gimmick doesnt hurt men at all.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 07:21 PM
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Im not saying they are the real victims. I know this movement is like feminism, and many would object to the post not being male specific. So I shoe horned in men.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 07:17 PM
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Still not answering the question I see. I did. Free speech, mens rights, voting rights, getting out from under monarchy, evolution and on and on. It also doesn't follow that not being for your solution means I'm against solving the problem. On a personal level sure, but you support a right wing ideology that wants to do with away regulations that deal with male disposibility, so more surplus can be distributed up. Current adminstration is freeing markets, workplace safety and protections for the…
/r/MensRights29/12/17 07:14 PM
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/u/dougdante Could you use the twitter to get some opposition to this going?
/r/MensRights29/12/17 06:41 PM
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Yeah, men had to be linked in there somehow, feminists will also only advocate for abuse protection when its only for women. Do you think thats what we should do too?
/r/MensRights29/12/17 06:24 PM
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Based on? History of all the battles with the right. That isn't a right. Its a success of the mens movement that addressed male disposibolity. This is what I was talking to you about a few weeks ago. You are for more male disposibility. Where? US BASED ON something other than you thinking they're wrong? No, the long history of the right never being on the right side of history. Right libertarianism is a distorted version of libertarian, which came from the left. And its wrong.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 06:23 PM
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More from the rabbit hole, unsavory people funding our people too. Christina Marie Hoff Sommers (born September 28, 1950) is an American author and philosopher. She is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a conservative think tank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Hoff_Sommers The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is an influential right-wing think tank that advocates for lower taxes, fewer protections for consumers and the environmen…
/r/MensRights29/12/17 05:56 PM
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Kids are born with innate morality. You are just another conservative following a fundamentalist religion.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 05:54 PM
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Wasn't motivated by vanity. I want a serious rights movement thats looking at politics and economics, not one that gets outraged by minutia in pop culture like jezebele feminists. Anyhow, it was dumbasses on the right that opposed the era in the first place. They are more of a problem.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 05:52 PM
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The real rights issues are happening in politics and economics, not marketing gimmicks.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 05:49 PM
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Both are prone to being on the wrong side of every argument. The new admin in the US is freeing up the labour market. Past mens rights success are being eroded - death job safety regulations, they are also no longer requiring companies to declare their safety record and they are stopping men taking class action suits against companies. This is the free market movement, conservatives, the right. Call it what you will, it seems to always be on the wrong side of the argument. We have a fair amount …
/r/MensRights29/12/17 05:47 PM
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Christina is in bed with some unsavoury people. She is being paid to help sell out the american people. Christina Marie Hoff Sommers (born September 28, 1950) is an American author and philosopher. She is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a conservative think tank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Hoff_Sommers The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is an influential right-wing think tank that advocates for lower taxes, fewer protect…
/r/MensRights29/12/17 05:31 PM
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Edward Bernays invented a pr game of playing men and women off one another in order to market products, the democrats do it too.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 05:25 PM
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So marketing gimmick doesn't work. i think its more likely that the hulk isnt a very sexy character. Anyway, how is this mens rights related?
/r/MensRights29/12/17 04:42 PM
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hahah!
/r/MensRights29/12/17 04:26 PM
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And illegal discrimination. The right opposed the era, and its till only a gimmick to get publicity. Yes, Rosa Parks could have just sat in the back of the bus. No comparison. Ummhmm... of course not. No, not even close.
/r/MensRights29/12/17 04:15 PM
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