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1	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." I don't think it's as bad as you suggest. Spend some time overseas, particularly in the third world, if you want to see endemic corruption. Most people try to do a good job, and many make mistakes. I agree that malfeasors need to be punished, and not simply scolded. We don't do enough of that here, with the result that there isn't a strong sense of consequence for wrongdoing. That's a serious problem. What I have a problem with is how you can have such an extreme, binary approach to "law" and ye…	/r/MensRights	10/11/10 10:29 PM
1	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." I'm not sure why "ANYONE who works in the 'child support' industry" should be a target for your irrational anger, but I get the sense it is because you're the kind of person who feels like The Man is always stepping on his neck. Get over it and channel that rage into getting your life straight. Your opinion about anything is just as useless as mine, at the end of the day.	/r/MensRights	10/11/10 10:25 PM
1	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." I don't really give a shit what you call me. I'll just invoke Occam's Razor here - it is more rational to assume there are some exceptional deadbeats out there who find a receptive and gullible audience when they plead poverty after a lifetime of irresponsible living than it is to believe there is an intractably corrupt system based on shadowy special interests designed to step on the necks of us common dudes who are simply out there trying to have a good time. The system is not great, or even v…	/r/MensRights	10/11/10 10:17 PM
1	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." Once the order's been established, the state will send the obligee that amount each month, whether the obligor makes their payments or not. That is only true if the obligee is drawing state aid (i.e. welfare), in which case the state is the recipient of the child support payments from the NCP (non-custodial parent). Otherwise, the amount of payment is a direct function of what gets pulled out of the obligor's paycheck via wage garnishment (less a small collection fee). There may be a pay period …	/r/MensRights	10/11/10 10:11 PM
1	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." That is very true. Stupid shades of gray - gets me every time. Thanks for the perspective and again, good luck...	/r/MensRights	10/11/10 09:52 PM
1	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." That really sucks - I feel really bad for the poor girl, as well as you and your husband for having to deal with this. Your level of passion about the topic of c/s makes a lot more sense now. About the only other thing I would be able to suggest is a complaint and petition (preferably initiated by someone other than the other parent) to your local department of child welfare or social services alleging neglect. This would trigger a mandatory investigation and evaluation by social services. I don…	/r/MensRights	09/11/10 11:03 PM
2	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." This is a good example of abuse of the system. I have had a similar situation (false claim of domestic abuse) play out on my docket, and I had charges filed against the mother for filing a false police report - which is a felony. This woman discredited herself, abused the system, and wasted my time, as well as the time of the court, the police, and everyone else, all because she had an axe to grind with the father. What I thought was interesting about my case was that the father did NOT seek cus…	/r/MensRights	09/11/10 02:26 PM
2	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." Your response is vague and general, but failure to uphold the law sounds like an appealable abuse of discretion. You're entitled to findings of fact and conclusions of law in these determinations. I practiced in kangaroo courts for several years and know "black robe disease" very well, but laws are laws and if you persist in vindicating your rights, you prevail. The down side is that pro se litigants are at a serious disadvantage because they don't know how to articulate their claims in legally …	/r/MensRights	09/11/10 02:12 PM
3	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." But they do have allowances. There must be a "change in circumstances" which is determined by law to be anything that would result in a 25% modification in the support award. All of the events you mentioned would qualify. It is still the responsibility of the paying party / non-custodial parent to file a motion to get child support reduced, however.	/r/MensRights	09/11/10 02:36 AM
2	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." That's not as bad as what I'm looking at, but it's a pretty stiff award. A couple things to bear in mind - first, make sure the support obligation is worded such that if you are paying for >1 child, the support will decrease as each child achieves age of majority (or 19 y/o if still in high school). Otherwise, you're paying a lump sum for undifferentiated "child support" and will be on the hook for the full amount until the youngest child achieves. AOM. Second, it looks like you'll be paying alm…	/r/MensRights	08/11/10 07:52 PM
6	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." There is a non-trivial difference between the scenarios you posed and the ones for which child support laws are created, and that is the death of the other parent. It seems irrational to expect that non-custodial parents should have NO obligation to support their kids.	/r/MensRights	08/11/10 07:42 PM
0	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." This implies that you are OK with rewarding someone for running away from their kids until they're at death's door, then pleading poverty to get a pass for their prior absence. I hope you don't really mean that. That $30K in arrears didn't pop up overnight, or without a whole lot of notice.	/r/MensRights	08/11/10 07:39 PM
7	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." Money is never paid automatically to you by the state. Title IV (Social Security) provides the framework for child support enforcement services to be administered by each state. There are pro forma calculations to be adopted as presumptively adequate support orders, and the state can help, usually through a Department of Social Services but sometimes through the local District Attorney's office, to establish that order. Enforcement is only automatic if the child is drawing state aid (e.g. welfar…	/r/MensRights	08/11/10 07:34 PM
-2	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." Why are you being an apologist for dirtbags who don't think they need to contribute anything but sperm to a child's development?	/r/MensRights	08/11/10 07:23 PM
4	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." Not that happy with it, but realistic. Some stuff you can change, some stuff you can't. Going into denial about it and then whining, or worse yet, expecting that others will be outraged over your failure to take care of your own shit and somehow intercede... that is pathetic. Too many guys see child support as a proxy fight with their exes, when the truth is that kids need money to eat, get clothes, etc. And most of the guys who complain about child support (I am talking about the hundreds, if n…	/r/MensRights	08/11/10 05:57 PM
1	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." And this is supposed to elicit sympathy/rage how? I have a very substantial support order, and because of it I live hand to mouth. My ex has cable and I don't, and I work my ass off and she doesn't have a job. I could get pissed about it and create a lot of pain and bullshit for everyone involved or I can man up and deal with this. I put kids in the world, and I have to make sure they get clothes, food, etc. I didn't marry my ex because I hated her, so for me to begrudge the support now just cre…	/r/MensRights	08/11/10 04:49 PM