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Are you saying you don’t think that makes a difference in physical attraction? Beyond not being over- or underweight? No. Being fit has other quality of life benefits, but mate selection is primarily about immutable qualities. it is a major struggle to have to learn social skills later on in life I don't think you get it what I'm talking about when I say "lacking the basics", when it comes to social skills. Especially if it's coupled with severe social anxiety, which has piss poor treatment succ…
/r/BlackPillScience21/07/24 07:24 PM
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you can at the very least put effort into being physically in good shape Physical fitness doesn't matter much. What matters is to not being over- or underweight, and not having physical deformities (like pectus excavatum or bowleg). Natural frame is more important than fitness. Face > height > hair > frame >>> fitness you can work on your social skills You can only work on your social skills if you have the basics and normal early life experiences. If you don't have those things you'll be so far…
/r/BlackPillScience21/07/24 06:25 PM
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Work on the part of yourself that make you more attractive. There no gym for your genes.
/r/BlackPillScience21/07/24 05:50 PM
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Dude, unattractive people also don't find other unattractive people attractive. They have terrible relationships full of resentment and abuse, they're just together because of social pressure and because it beats total loneliness.
/r/BlackPillScience21/07/24 03:54 PM
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That doesn’t mean that these things aren’t possible though for less attractive folks. Why perpetuate the low quality genes?
/r/BlackPillScience21/07/24 03:49 PM
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Wade Wilson There are exceptions, but the trend is clear. Also how many variations of eekkgg would you say you're on rn? This is probably around #10.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 03:09 PM
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well, i can guess I learned something today too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 12:07 AM
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Love is just overexplained horniness + time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:25 PM
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I doubt there really is such a thing as the stereotypical romantic love.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:21 PM
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budget cuts You can blame conservatives in some ways, but the budget is not the issue. The US spends more per student than almost any other place on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:16 PM
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We have quirks and eccentricities that make us who we are. Those things are also largely determined by your genetic potential. They're not really different from height or hair patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:25 PM
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That's anime crap, right? You're probably referencing a specific show or movie, but I never watched anime, so I have no idea what it is that you're actually referencing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:15 PM
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Neither really needs help. We're just living in proper freedom, so for the fist time ever, women are allowed to make real choices about who they're with. It's just that 80% of men are not good enough for breeding, and women know (and always known) this, so they don't actually want to be with them, thus the monogamy delusion is breaking (it's always been an unnatural way for humans to breed, it just that it resulted in stable societies so far, so it was kept around). We'll do better once we trans…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:08 PM
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Yep, physically unattractive men tend to be worse at other things too. Just look at mugshots, most of them are pretty ugly. Maybe it's just that these are all manifestations of their low genetic quality, or maybe they're treated worse due to their lack of attractiveness and thus are more likely to engage in antisocial behavior, I don't know which one it is, but the correlation is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:21 PM
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That's what everyone thinks of everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 02:33 AM
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Of course it is what it is. That's my point. You think you need to articulate why you want it? Nah. You're just a hairless monkey who wants penis in vagina. It's just instinct, the same as everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 02:31 AM
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Because I'm not schizoid and asexual. Look, I'm a low IQ retard, I can't explain better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 02:22 AM
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Because I'm not schizoid and asexual? Do you think people only want things because they logic themselves into wanting them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 02:09 AM
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Meaningless question for truly abnormal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 02:01 AM
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When you're low enough on the totem pole, it doesn't matter who you hate or don't hate, people will view you as trash either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:55 AM
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Unless you're Schizoid, the core of your self worth will come from how society views you. Romantic success is a big part of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:45 AM
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Exactly. Most people don't have real hobbies, they just watch Netflix and listen to random new music, and they do fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:35 AM
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Nothing. Also, i sleep like 3-4 hours every couple of days at random times, I don't really "wake up" in the traditional sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:12 AM
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This is delusional. Once you take away the end result, the process will be useless for most. Sex is the #1 motivation for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:07 AM
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Unless you’re disabled or severely mentally ill Exaaaactly. I'm talking about the people for whom it doesn't make a lick of difference how hard they work on these things. Some people are just fundamentally garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:08 AM
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They have every right to complain about anything they wish to. It's like saying that someone without legs isn't allowed to complain about not being able to walk. If anything, these people have the most right to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:03 AM
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For the majority of men, "getting your dick wet", is the definition of "personal gain".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:59 AM
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Normal people are so funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:56 AM
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stay at home, avoid talking to people, remain unemployed and uneducated, and do nothing For some people, that's the overwhelmingly better option.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:55 AM
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Because shit like "what do you wake up excited for" is for normal people. For truly abnormal people, it's meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:52 AM
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A guy in shape and with his shit together has better odds of getting women than an overweight NEET The problem is that y'all think "self-improvement" is the difference, but that's not it. The real difference is genetics and early life experiences putting someone on the right track.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:49 AM
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What's important to realize is that the average person doesn't do any actual self-improvement. They merely * think* that they do. They just do random stuff, fumble around, and land fine because they're normal. But they want to brag, and their ego comes up with this delusion about how much work they put in. But they didn't, they just stumbled into things. This is why the advice they give to truly abnormal people doesn't work. Because they don't understand this very dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:45 AM
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Having hobbies is a learned social behavior. If you were never taught how to have them, you won't have any.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:25 PM
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I'm always baffled by people who have hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:24 PM
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Lolno. Truly weird people can't really make friends, they're not capable of that kind of social functioning. You're talking about mild quirks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:33 AM
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I'm getting real tired of the austim argument from you pill doomers. 70% of people with autism never date, at any given time only 15% are in relationships (compared to ~70% of the general public). Source People with autism might have an employment rate as low as ~20%. Source “an important investigation of over 27,000 Swedish people diagnosed with ASD which revealed that the average life expectancy among the people studied with severe autism is 39.5 years, rising to only 58 years for those with h…
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 07:58 AM
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There's plenty wrong with being truly weird. It's a handicap in school, in employment, in dating, in finding friends. It's the one thing you should never ever be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:40 AM
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social skills like any other skill can be trained Not practically if you miss the basics. If you can't replicate the most basic normal social behaviors, nobody will engage you, therefore you won't get better. Only with specialized training is this possible, and those are not available to most people. Most people who struggle with it have one bad experience and then give up so they never put in the reps. This is a strawman you came up with. You don't actually know this. Most smooth talkers who kn…
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 07:06 AM
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A "poor" man in the US is still very well off compared to many parts of the world.
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 02:34 AM
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Conspiracy? No. People just like to feel good about themselves and their awesome opinions. In reality, guys like these are creepy, and the reason why the word "the ick" exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:20 AM
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I suspect they are also more emotionally intelligent than average so its not like they are making a ton of mistakes anyway oh that's funny
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:18 AM
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Most accurate comment here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:17 AM
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We met at a bookstore. Our first conversation was mostly small talk. Normal people's abilities will never not baffle me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:15 AM
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a little sus The shit you guys tell yourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:14 AM
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Yeah, people like signaling their virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:12 AM
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aha
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:40 PM
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Why weren't you able to get someone better and more desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:28 PM
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Nah, normal people have tons of others they're compatible with. You'd have to be pretty weird for that to be untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:25 PM
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Your husband is weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:23 PM
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There is no "the" right person. There are many right persons, the fact the somebody couldn't even one of those by 25, is a baaaad sign.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:33 PM
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Not if you never found anyone else either by that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:18 PM
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By the time you're in your 20s, you need to posses certain social abilities, which if you don't have, nobody will engage you, thus you won't learn. At that point pretty much only specialized training can help.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:20 PM
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So, if he wasn’t those things by 25 he would have found a relationship by 25. There are of course exceptions, but generally, yeah. So, him get a relationship determines whether or not he is attractive enough to get one? Not "determines", it's just a consequence. If you're a normal person, not asexual, and not horrendously unattractive, you'll lose your virginity by the age of 25 99% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:18 PM
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The difference is that those senior citizens who start relationships can replicate the necessary social behaviors that result in the relationship. If you reach 25-30 with no experience, you most likely lack said ability in the first place, and most likely it's going to be too late to gain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:12 PM
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Then he's highly unlikely to be inexperienced by that age. He would have found someone just with the normal course of his life through school or work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:02 PM
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For example: Being really fucking ugly, and/or being severely socially handicapped, and/or being chronically unemployed and having no income. Things like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:56 PM
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That's the exception. Most guys who reach that age with no experience are fundamentally unattractive, even if they weren't technically inexperienced, they'd be rejected for those reasons that make them unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:40 PM
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Peer reviewed research and surveys by respected providers of care like Redpath Centre and University of Toronto, are on the same level as /r/conspiracy nutters. Right. Come on, son.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 12:14 PM
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Most people with autism still function very well in society and have normal lives and relationships This is not true, and obvious confirmation bias. You don't see the ones who don't. 70% of people with autism never date, at any given time only 15% are in relationships (compared to ~70% of the general public). Source People with autism might have an employment rate as low as ~20%. Source “an important investigation of over 27,000 Swedish people diagnosed with ASD which revealed that the average l…
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 12:08 PM
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Most people with autism, for example, are incapable of most normal human social behaviors. As are most people with severe social anxiety. Regardless of psychical disability. And with these people, you'll interact with them for 10 seconds, they will creep you the fuck out, and in five minutes you'll forget they ever existed, and move onto your normal interactions. But for those people, the only interactions they will get are all like this, they won't be able to replicate normal behavior. Guys tha…
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 11:55 AM
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Anyone incapable of replicating normal human social behaviors <-- that's true abnormal. And you don't have empathy towards them, you're creeped out by them.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 11:39 AM
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That's because you're normal, and are around normal people, as peers. However, you won't be able to do that with truly abnormal people. Pity? Maybe? Empathy? Nah, that's reserved to other normal people.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 11:36 AM
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For this to matter, I would have needed to pay tax in the first place lol
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 10:19 AM
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You still require the right basic socialization for this. That's not something you can learn later in life.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 05:15 AM
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Nah, you'd deserve that shadowban. If you keep replying, you'll probably get one. So do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:32 AM
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Following someone around multiple subreddits and commenting on their posts is a good way to get shadowbanned, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:22 AM
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There's a difference between people who choose to not date, and people who can't. The latter are trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:44 AM
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naive
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:22 AM
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Monogamy is cultural, harem breeding is natural for humans. TBH, still, I don't see culture changing away from the current one too much, if 90% of men truly never had a chance, there would be chaos and collapse.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 09:27 PM
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Who said anything about "pumping out kids"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 08:06 PM
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i find socializing difficult ... and normal people don't, not consistently, only occasionally, in certain settings. If you can't do that, find professional help. This has become a kind of dismissive blanket advice, but there are a couple problems with it. For one, this "professional help" is simply not available enough to most people currently alive on this planet, and two, for many conditions treatment success rates are low (for example the majority of people with severe social anxiety never ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:37 PM
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Well, the people who end up in these spaces usually aren't just "shy and terrified by potential rejection". There's almost always other stuff behind this, autism, SAD, AvPD, etc...
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 07:25 PM
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because they don't socialise at all. Just because someone can't socialise, that doesn't mean they can't make observations.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 07:24 PM
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Wow? Really?! What a revelation! (I don't recommend looking up the rate of success for this "profession help" tho lol) Also, "Socializing is difficult for most people" is not true. Most people just do it as routine, they just kinda exist and do basic normal things, and that's it. Dating and friendships are not consistently "difficult" for normal people. If it for you, then something is wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:13 PM
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neurotypicality 70% of people with autism never date. At any given time only about 10-15% of people with autism are in a relationship (compared to about 70% of the general public), and the stats are worse for men with autism compared to women. It's pretty clear it's massive handicap in dating, most can't overcome it.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 07:07 PM
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Being alone is a valid option. Not unless you're Schizoid. Not for most people. Most people will rather have pretty much anybody around, instead if having nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:01 PM
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Then what's wrong with trying to work on yourself to change that? Because any substantial improvement is not possible.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 06:58 PM
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But they don't have a magical ability to tell the difference fast. Men get judged pretty much immediately if they're quiet and not assertive, whether they're just shy or mentally ill. To be fair, it's not just women who do this, other men judge these types of guys as well.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 06:48 PM
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"account has been suspended" somehow that's not surprising lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 06:30 PM
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The problem is that a many men get virtually no attention from women, and if they started cutting out these women you call "scum", they'd only ever get to date very rarely or maybe never. It's still better to have someone around who at least isn't actively abusive, than to have nobody around. A lot of guys have to take any and all opportunity, because if they don't, there's a good chance they'll end up alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 06:20 PM
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If I complied a list of people, who according to y'all here in this sub "aren’t ready for a relationship", nobody would ever get to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 06:14 PM
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confidence is sexy Confidence is only sexy when you have reasons to be confident. Otherwise, it's just going to be perceived as arrogance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:37 PM
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That entirely depends on whether you can present yourself as a normal human being or not. Normal people have empathy for other normal people. This is why so many people with autism for example are treated like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:05 PM
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claim that successful men are all jerks, all bullies, all abusers That's not what they claim. They claim that being a "jerk, bully, abuser" doesn't seem to be much of a hindrance when it comes to dating. Every such person I've known dated/married. The people who actually struggle with dating are people who have conditions like autism, severe anxiety, AvPD, etc..., not the assholes. Assholes date just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:59 PM
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You're right, women aren't “low quality” or “high quality”. In fact, we all are. Pretty measurably.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:25 PM
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Because a lot of men already have limited options, so if they started removing women for this, they'd be more likely to end up alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:52 PM
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I honestly just pretend that ROByoutube is parody. It's difficult to believe someone can have such a lack of awareness. Although he does claim to have autism, so I guess it makes sense.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 03:42 PM
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"Trash" is just another way of saying it.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 02:30 PM
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You can pretend it doesn't matter all you want, it doesn't change reality. If you are incapable of replicating basic human behaviors, you are objectively worse than others.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 02:22 PM
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Yes it does.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 01:19 PM
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They objectively, measurably, quantifiably, are.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 01:08 PM
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Be yourself and find people that you can have natural organic conversation and chemistry with. The shit normal people can just do is amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 12:45 PM
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The things normal people are capable of will never not baffle me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 12:43 PM
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Exactly, normal people don't have strategies, they don't need to self-improve, or any of that crap. They can just exist, show up, be natural, and it happens for them. And if it doesn't for you, there's something very wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 12:41 PM
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You need reasons to "believe in yourself". Without those reasons, you'll come across as arrogant. Also, you can "believe in yourself" as much as you want, if you lack the ability, you won't be able to do it either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 12:36 PM
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What? Plenty are more than aware that they're trash.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 12:26 PM
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Normal people don't need to go to the gym to date.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 12:23 PM
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Lol, right. You capabilities make you either trash or not trash.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 12:21 PM
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Incapable, abnormal person who can't replicate normal human behaviours.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 12:04 PM
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That doesn't change the simple fact that some people are fundamentally trash. And always will be.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 12:01 PM
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Why not?
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 11:53 AM
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Some people are fundamentally trash, I don't know why y'all have such a hard time admitting that.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 11:40 AM
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Personality and those skills are not something you can practically develop later in life. You have to come out of adolescence right.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 12:14 AM
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This is simply not true. If these delusional men stick to their bracket they will find someone. Fundamentally garbage people don't find anyone.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 11:50 PM
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They objectively are.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 11:48 PM
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No, but some people are so trash that no amount of work will make them not trash, hiding behind the cliché of "you don't know what the future brings :)" is just a cop-out from having to admit that some people are just trash.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 08:34 AM
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Why do you all deserve "Stacy" ??? Where have I said anything like that? I merely pointed out that fixing basic social skills isn't something that can practically be done after adolescence. That's it, nobody said anything about any "Stacy".
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 08:24 AM
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Nah.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 05:38 AM
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But if you're abnormal enough, you won't have that 1% either.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 05:19 AM
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Again, it's not what YOU believe that matters. What everyone thinks of you matters more, because that's what limits you. If nobody ever likes you, nobody ever wants you around, then what you happen to believe doesn't matter much. Whats really interesting is that most people are actually weird when you get to know them. This is only true when you're normal. From a truly outsider weirdo point of view, they're not actually weird, at best they have a couple quirks.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 05:11 AM
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The only people who say stuff like this are normal people. When you're truly abnormal, you realize that "normal" is an extremely narrow set of values and behaviours. It only seems subjective to you because you're in that narrow band, and don't even realize how thin it is. It's not their own beliefs that matter, it's what virtually everyone believes that matters.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 04:57 AM
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It's not a belief, it's a verifiable fact. It's measurable and quantifiable.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 04:47 AM
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getting a sociable friend of the same gender that likes you is an achievable goal for anyone. Even you. lol
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 04:46 AM
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The fact that you could get a friend like that shows you weren't as bad as you like to pretend you were. It's obvious you're just playing up your achievements to dunk on some internet weirdos.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 04:23 AM
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And for some none of that will work because they're too garbage.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 04:19 AM
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You were obviously not as bad as you're painting yourself.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 04:16 AM
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This sounds like chatgpt's attempts at humor. No offense, but are you on the spectrum?
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 04:05 AM
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That's a long winded way to say "therapy isn't very effective against severe social abnormalities". Also how do you know we didn't try therapy before? Also: “in 12 years of follow-up the probabilities of recovering from social phobia (SP), panic disorder with agoraphobia (PDA), and generalized anxiety disorder (GAD) were very low (.37, .48, .58 respectively) and lower than comorbid major depressive disorder (.73)(Bruce et al., 2005). Moreover, for those individuals who do recover, many relapse, …
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 03:54 AM
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It's cute when you guys think you're insightful. Bro just pretend to be asexual bro.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 03:28 AM
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You were capable of that because you were already normal.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 03:27 AM
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Hey, at least you wised up.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 03:20 AM
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Why is it so difficult to believe that some people are just trash?
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 03:16 AM
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Just go to therapy bro, it'll solve your problems bro. Wait? What's that? These things have very low rates of treatment success? Pff, bro, you just gotta therapy harder.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 03:12 AM
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For some, meaningful improvement isn't really possible. Severe social abnormalities have piss poor treatment success rates for a reason.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 03:10 AM
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Ah, the gym meme.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 03:06 AM
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Yeah, but being an asshole doesn't seem to be a hindrance, for both men and women. Almost every asshole I've known dates just fine.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 03:05 AM
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This is genuinely the dumbest thing I've ever read.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 02:59 AM
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The way you guys play up your "achievements" is hilarious. You didn't do "thousands of hours of social development".
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 02:57 AM
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You can't really fix social skills if you have none past adolescence.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 02:53 AM
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If you're having a good time talking to someone, and it's easy to talk to them The lives of normal people are truly baffling.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 02:03 AM
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removes the assumed mystique of social interaction, which under analysis is shown not to exist at all but to follow almost totally predictable patterns and outcomes For some reason they have a really hard time accepting this. They're desperate for their interactions to be special, when they are not. Just because they're not aware of it, that doesn't mean this isn't quantifiable and measurable.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 01:46 AM
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Very few women care about huge muscles. Most women prefer svelte guys.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 04:55 AM
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I'm giving you solutions & you're just dismissing them. Because they're not really solutions. Not to this. Very basic job, see if Specialisterne is in your country. After looking up what this is... wow, you guys in the west really have some fancy shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:41 PM
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you just have to get better solutions "Better solutions" don't exist. If you've no job, how are you surviving? I don't live alone. They don't kick me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:36 PM
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Again, you seem to think I've never done that, it's just that nothing's ever worked. There's a limit to how much people will try before they have to admit they're fundamentally trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:32 PM
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Try what? What do you think I didn't try?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:25 PM
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I mean, yeah, that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:24 PM
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Get a safety pass No idea what this means. Again, why would those places hire me? My CV is empty, I can't say a word to them, I can't do phone calls. You vastly overestimate my capabilities. Some people are just this trash. Take up something energetic like sea swimming, dancing, or martial arts. Again, I have no interest in any of this. "Energetic" doesn't mean much, I was practically forced into athletics as a teenager because I showed some talent during a school trial, but I hated every minute…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:19 PM
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Apply to ten jobs tomorrow. What jobs? Why would they hire me? I'm 30+ with an empty CV. Start one hobby. Done this many times, it never lasts. I never managed to induce any interest for anything. See a psychologist. Done this, lead to nowhere. Public mental healthcare bare exists here, and I've exhausted my options. Ask someone for details everyday for 2 weeks. Exactly who? I'm not really in contact with anyone. I can't talk to strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:08 PM
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You can't. If your social skills are low enough, nobody will be willing to engage in any meaningful fashion. Just going "start working towards developing them" is meaningless without concrete examples of exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:57 PM
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Those are require basic social functioning, the kind you learn early in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:50 PM
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I'm not exactly sure what you mean by medical treatment, but I was in therapy. As I said, the public option here is very limited, and I exhausted that limit. I was also on SSRIs for a while, kinda worked as mood stabilizer, but nothing else. However they gave me insomnia (something I already struggle with) and brain zaps, so I had to stop as I simply could not sleep. I had benzos for little while, and those did help with sleep, however they did nothing to my anxiety at the prescribed dosages, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 01:12 AM
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It depends on what basic social skills you had. Were you really a shut in? Didn't you go to school at 17? Also, that's pretty young, at that age it's still acceptable to make certain mistakes that become unacceptable in your early-mid 20s. Look, I'm in my 30s, I never had a job, a friend, or any meaningful social contact with anybody, while having severe anxiety that's only gotten worse despite the work I did put in. At this point "putting in the work" has the exact same effect as not putting in…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:42 AM
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Not if you're bad enough at it. If you're bad enough at this stuff, you won't have anybody you can practice and engage with, so you have to pay someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 11:46 PM
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I also know a lot of [...] people I'm always baffled when normal people say things like this. I simply don't understand how this is possible. I have no concept of this. Even getting to know one person sound ridiculous, the idea of multiple is impossible. How do you even remember their names? What they're like? Any information about them? It just sounds genuinely baffling that normal people are capable of this. I have no idea what "knowing a lot of people" means. There are probably some people wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 09:32 PM
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No. Basic social behaviors can only be practically learned early in life. Beyond that only specialized training can help in any meaningful way (like SST), which is of course not available to most.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 09:16 PM
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Do acid, meet god, go crazy. Done this, tried multiple psychedelics multiple times, they are some of the worst experiences of my life. I've found the cheap hallucination of "deep insight" meaningless. Learn to drive, become an uber driver. No uber here, those services are banned due to Taxi regulations. Getting a drivers license would require me having enough money for one (costs $1000+ here), and I'd have to be locked in a car for 30 hours with an instructor, as is the requirement for a test (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:42 PM
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That shit never lasts or works. It's empty online nothing. I don't have anything to say, and there's nothing you can say that will interests me, because nothing else does either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:15 PM
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I just said that alcohol makes my anxiety worse. I guess I could get blackout drunk to the point where I can't even recognize anymore that my abilities have further degraded due to the booze, I never tried that. Even then, no way in hell could I go up to somebody, and if somebody came up to me, I'd just ignore them because I'm not fast enough to come up with anything to say in the real world. I don't really speak these days in general, due to my speech impediment I usually have to repeat myself …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:08 PM
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Do you just...exist? Like what fills your time? Endlessly scrolling social media while random youtube video plays in the background. I don't care about any of it, but it's a distraction. Unless you're working like 16-hour days 365 Never had a job. you must be doing something that's of interest to you I'm not doing any such thing. I don't even play video games, I find them too complex and difficult, while extremely boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:03 PM
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Get drunk at bars, talk to the people who will definitely be willing to. Tried this, ran away every time. Can't show up, can't enter due to anxiety. Alcohol makes my anxiety worse, as I am still aware that my abilities become even worse because of alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:54 PM
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Really? Wow, I wouldn't have known.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:51 PM
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So you’re just going to sit around the house staring at blank walls For the time being, yes. However, one day I'm going to gain the courage or desperation to blow my brains out. blaming everyone else? I'm not blaming anybody else. I'm the one who's trash, normal people just do what normal people do, can't blame them for that. Go to therapy. Only really available in the rich westernized countries in a good fashion, that's not where I'm from. Here, it's extremely limited, and it never worked. Turn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:49 PM
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Join a group or a club. Way too much anxiety for that, and I can't talk to people anyway, so it'd be pointless. Meet people at work or school. Never had a job and I was too garbage to have anybody talk to me in school. Develop hobbies Never had a hobby, the concept baffles me. How else do you think people meet people? By being normal and doing pretty much random things. This is true trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:35 PM
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What effort? Where? How? With who?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:32 PM
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Exactly how?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:30 PM
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Some people are too incapable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:30 PM
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Some people really are so trash that "change" is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:03 PM
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Expect? Nah, I don't. I'm just saying, some people just can't have friends or a social life. That doesn't mean the frustration is any less valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:01 PM
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Making friends is actually insanely easy if you actually just go do stuff. You have to come out of childhood and adolescence with the right skills to be able to have friends "insanely easy".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:43 PM
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Not everyone can do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:42 PM
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Here's the thing tho, you can't have a "core group of friends", or "interesting, social hobbies", etc... unless you come out of adolescence right. You can't learn this later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:41 PM
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Some people are trash and always will be. It has nothing to with projection, merely recognition. Figure out what? Bro, I'm 30+, never had a job, never had friends, and I'm retarded. People like me just stand in front of trains, which is exactly what we should do. We're just too trash. "Figure shit out" lol. Good one. If that were a possibility, it would have already happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:09 PM
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when these men are likely productive members of society with familes and friends who care about them Lol no. Most struggle with that too. Seems like you just like insulting people who you deem beneath you. Exact opposite. I am that trash. 30+, never dated, never had a job, never had any friends, never been to a social gathering, never even had a normal conversation with another human being in my life. Thrash like us should recognize this and remove ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 01:59 PM
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Most men at that age "can't" not "doesn't like to". And even you "don't like to", you're still a weirdo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 01:24 PM
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Why is it so hard to admit some people are just trash? If you can't do such a basic human task, you objectively are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 01:21 PM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 01:16 PM
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If you are that different from the norm, something is wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 01:15 PM
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Which means something is wrong with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 01:11 PM
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almost any man can get laid if he just spends enough time and effort on it. lol If you reach 30 as virgin man you're a gigaloser.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 01:03 PM
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I think some 5% of men reach 30 as virgins. Not taking into account disabled people. Lol, you think it's their decisions to not to do it. Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:54 PM
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Luckily there's lots more to do in the world The only people who say this are people who get sex easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:50 PM
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Probably employed, productive members of society. I'm sure they have loving friends and family. And yeah, they're probably weird, too. Everyone is weird. Hahaha. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:47 PM
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Lots of men reach 30 as virgins Statistically untrue. VERY few men reach 30 as virgins. If they're so shy and they can't approach women to the level where they're still a virgin at 30, something IS very wrong with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:41 PM
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Yeah, if you reach 30 as a virgin, and you're not asexual, there's something (or more likely multiple things) that is VERY wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 11:48 PM
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Some are just not good enough and never will be. Mindset or "self-improvement" matters little for people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 11:46 PM
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I mean, yeah, statically true, however there some who will never get it, or at least not unless they pay for it. And as others have pointed out, you'll never really make up for the lost time and opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 11:43 PM
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Self-improvement is a meme, normal people just do random shit that they think is self-improvement, but really it's just random shit. It works out for them because they're normal, but when somebody abnormal tries to do "self-improvement", it goes nowhere.
/r/AllPillDebate28/09/23 07:09 PM
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Therapy is for mild to moderate issues, mostly relating to motivation and coping. It' doesn't work well for actual severe issues.
/r/AllPillDebate28/09/23 05:38 PM
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Nah, he's decently handsome and his body is way better the average American guy's these days.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 09:52 PM
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I'm not saying I have all this, it's just that these are the things that statically impact social functioning the most. And tend to have poor treatment success rates. So it's kind of an inane thing thing to say "everyone has problems", when those problems can be so vastly different.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 07:54 PM
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Severe social anxiety/SAD, AvPD, autism, lacking proper basic childhood/adolescence socialization, stuff like that.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 07:50 PM
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There's a difference between a normal person with some issues, and someone with deeply handicapped social functioning, for example.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 07:45 PM
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get a job How? I have an empty CV, I have no skills. I wouldn't be able to send an application due to anxiety. I wouldn't be able to show up. I'd simply panic and run away. make some friends I can't even say things to strangers beyond "yes" and "no" usually. I can't look people in the eye. How would I make friends like that? Plus, I don't have hobbies, or interests, or knowledge, what would we be talking about? Move out of your mom's house For the aforementioned reasons I don't have the money fo…
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 07:32 PM
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When you're a normal human being, that might work, but it doesn't work for the rest.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 02:09 PM
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At least be open to the possibility, they exist. People for whom being on reddit or not being on reddit makes no difference.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 11:03 AM
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For truly trash people, not wasting time on reddit does nothing.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 09:55 AM
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Diagnosable conditions are not excuses. Social anxiety has very poor treatment rates. Are they just not trying hard enough?
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 04:08 AM
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Clinically untrue.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 04:07 AM
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Normal people don't need to self improve to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 03:45 AM
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Not home severe anxiety works.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 03:41 AM
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How? I can't control my panic attacks. I can't control my shaking, or how my mind goes blank. It's not a choice.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 03:40 AM
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They care about normalcy. Being able to get relationships and sex is one of the major checks for normalcy, and if you fail that check, it's a massive red flag, not just in dating.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 02:29 AM
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Yeah, the trash can't replicate that. Duh.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 02:27 AM
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Some people are trash, deleting reddit does nothing.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 02:19 AM
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This is not true. It's one of the most common insults and joke topics. Losing your virginity is big check for normalcy, as is being able to get relationships (or at least get sex), failing that is red flag and sign to get away from someone.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 02:17 AM
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Some people are just not fit for this shit, I guess.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 02:05 AM
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Laughably simplistic view. Abilities determine what someone can or cannot do.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 01:26 AM
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You need to get that shit sorted out Exactly how? It's not a choice. What are you going to do once your parents are dead? I will either kill myself or starve. You won't even go to get help. Because I can't. I can't replicate the necessary social interactions. Like I said, do something about it or quit complaining. I'm allowed to complain.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 01:11 AM
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If you lack the basics, people simply won't engage you, so you won't learn, no matter the "effort".
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 01:05 AM
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So, they're not "alone"?
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 12:25 AM
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Yes, I also have the kinds of panic attacks where an ambulance gets called me, as a choice. Also, as a choice, my mind goes blank in these situations. What a fun choice.
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 12:24 AM
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Get yourself over to a police station or hospital with a detailed letter of your predicament. Death is better than this embarrassment. I wouldn't be able to write such a letter due to anxiety. I wouldn't be able to send it or deliver it.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 11:49 PM
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Why can't you? Is your mom keeping you prisoner? Because I'm not capable of the necessary interactions. Do you need a social worker? Lol. How would I contact one? I can't do phone calls. What would they do anyway?
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 11:32 PM
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It's not about wanting it, it's about ability. What I want is irrelevant, when I can't do it. I'm allowed to complain and feel frustrated, thank you very much.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 11:20 PM
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If you have a good & interesting personality Storytelling, humor, listening skills, being passionate about things, etc. all matter. If you lack proper socialization, you won't have that. How the fuck would I have that? I don't even know what that means.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 11:11 PM
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I'm telling you that you're more than that and you should surround yourself with better people and better spaces. I don't surround myself with people. I can't, I don't have the necessary ability. There's a whole world out there that even for someone like me who's struggled with jobs and friendships. There's a difference between "struggled", and has a total inability of.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 11:02 PM
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Yeah, that's called "Schizoid Personality Disorder".
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 11:00 PM
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Projection. I never said that, nor do I think that. Nor did I say that you do. It's merely a factual observation. Everyone should know EXACTLY who they are and where they stack up. It takes practice to get better at it. And when you lack basic socialization, you can't get that practice, because nobody would engage. The only option is specialized training with a professional, which is not an option for most of the planet. There's also the online route for classes and options. Yes, let's do someth…
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 10:56 PM
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I'm talking about adults in real life, not online, I've had this happen all the time. As I said, cultural differences, I guess. and not at r*tard daycare. Programs for vocational and technicians degrees are not daycares. People there had families, wives, husbands, children, girlfriends, friends, social lives, they went on holidays, to parties, weddings. They were normal, everyday people with decent lives. It's sounds like you're not an adult yet anyway so. Of course I'm not. I'm 30+, but never h…
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 10:42 PM
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So you're clearly not someone that falls into the normal category, but you're comparing yourself to them? What a brilliant way to fall short. How are you surprised by that? Just not having a job is far from the norm, so again, why are you comparing like you should get the same results as them? Because I'm a garbage human being that must know its place? Then you have the first things you should work on. When you lack basic socialization, the necessary interactions of a job are impossible. I have …
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 10:34 PM
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Where do you derive your confidence? Nowhere. Are you incompetent in everything you've worked at? Work, sports, online, and so on? Pretty much. Never had a job, never had a hobby or interest. I have no idea what "so on" could entail. Billionaires also date. So? They aren't you, and they have no bearing on you. Can you imagine an average Joe giving up on dating because he could never afford a jet for his date? What the fuck are you talking about? This is the opposite of what I was saying. I meant…
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 10:24 PM
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Confidence is only possible when you have reasons for it. When you lack those reasons, things simply won't work out. There's a difference between "mistakes will happen", and "only mistakes happen". That's where self-improvement/investment in yourself comes in. The second is essentially working towards being the best version of yourself and improving incrementally. Fucked up, straight up evil people date. Out of shape, badly dressed people date. Why don't they need to self-improve? Why don't they…
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 10:15 PM
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gein an understanding of how real people are? So those experiences weren't real? Didn't you pay attention when I told you that people HERE do say this out loud? Who's paying your bills? I live with my mother.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 09:57 PM
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It does highlight the contradiction of a lot of advice here. "Be yourself and confident!" vs "You need to self-improve!"
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 09:53 PM
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I guess it's a cultural difference then. Just because y'all don't say it out loud, that doesn't mean y'all don't also think it. I've had many jobs in many different industries. Normal people always baffle me. Even having a job sound ridiculous, but having "many jobs in many different industries" is truly unimaginable.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 09:07 PM
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if I were you I'd change career fields. Dude, I never had a job. What "change" lol? That sounds like a daycare center for autistic adults. They didn't have autism, they were normal adults with jobs, SOs, children. A good portion of them were fairly attractive with normal healthy social lives. This is what average people think about abnormal people. It's just that people are more open about about this stuff and have less filter around here compared to the fake-nice American/Western-EU environment…
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 07:37 PM
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Of course I never had a real job, but I took part in two adult education programs. People from the age of 20 to 50 took part in them, so adults, not kids. (I failed both btw, but that's beside the point) The first one was an in IT related field, I was in my early 20s. People pretty fast figured it out I was the weirdo. There were constant jokes about this stuff, one that sticks out was when one guy asked if I had gone on a date over the weekend in a snarky voice, for some reason that's the one I…
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 07:26 PM
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Lol, I experienced it even as an adult, I've seen it done to others. I can give exact descriptions, if you want.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 05:50 PM
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There's a difference between playful stuff between friends that has no malice behind it, and "ew look at this disgusting creature".
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 09:40 AM
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Lol, it's an incredibly common insult, and a major check for normalcy, so people do instinctively care. Also, people can absolutely tell without you telling them, just from reactions to certain topics and situations.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 09:36 AM
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And this is exactly what people with improper socialization can't do, with a man or woman, it's not gonna work either way. Like, I have no idea what a normal interaction is, man or woman. What would that conversation even be about? I've got no clue.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 09:31 AM
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That would make no difference. It's about ability, not attitude.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 09:27 AM
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You think I'm talking about "awkward"? That's cute. You can't fix a lack of basic socialization organically, only with professional treatment, even then the chance of success is low. Especially when it's coupled with social anxiety, another thing with abysmal treatment success rates.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 09:24 AM
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You can't learn this later in life, you have to come out of adolescence with the correct socialization. People just won't engage you, you won't learn.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 09:14 AM
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When you lack proper socialization, you can't do that.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 09:08 AM
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Oh yes, all those people with autism, they all just have a bad attitude! If they just gosh darn tried harder!
/r/BlackPillScience18/08/23 10:01 PM
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Nah, both men and women start looking like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 08:38 PM
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People who hate themselves date just fine. Self-love is not a prerequisite for dating. It's not the problem. Also, there need to be reasons to love yourself. If you lack those reasons, it makes perfect sense to not love yourself.
/r/AllPillDebate18/08/23 07:32 PM
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Don't bother, check her profile. She's either a troll, or extremely dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:21 PM
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You said "plenty of autistic people do", and my point was that calling this "plenty" is very generous. Most people with severe social abnormalities (autism, AvPD, SAD, etc...) aren't capable of this stuff, so your "Plenty of autistic people do" reply doesn't make much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:14 PM
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Plenty of autistic people do, even the ones that were diagnosed late. Actually, they don't. It's survivor bias. 70% of people with autism never date, rate of employment around ~20%, life expectancy of 58 years (around 40 for severe autism). Most don't have social contact outside immediate family/caretakers, and all but a few are capable of good quality independent life. Someone who is missing basic socialization (weather they have autism or not) won't be able to learn this in a practical way bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 04:56 PM
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I don't think they want to be douchebags. They just don't have the required socialization to be likeable, and "Chad" is the only one who can pull that off.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 04:36 PM
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If you guys had a likable enough personality This is a kinda useless thing to say. It's true, but a "likable personality" is a result of early life socialization, very difficult to change, and if you miss it, it's pretty much impossible to catch back up on. What you're saying is true, but you're saying it as if it's something they can change, when most can't practically do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:49 PM
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I mean, duh. You're not getting the whole picture. Normal people do "self-improvement" to get better socially, professionally, academically, etc... ie in things that matter. When those "socially, professionally, academically, etc... " are impossibilities, the tools, like creative become meaningless as a well. Being creative would not benefit me in any way. I'm not gonna get a job because of it, or a degree, I won't make a difference is social interactions, and so on... So why should someone like…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:12 PM
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How is that a benefit? I mean for normal humans, it might be, but for some of us creativity meaningless. What would I do with that creativity?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:07 PM
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What benefit does that give, if I don't enjoy the mere act of knitting itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:03 PM
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What tangible results? The 11 pullups? Can you give me examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:57 PM
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Ah a classic. Yes, if I just put more effort in it, I wouldn't have panic attacks so severe I get the ambulance called on me because people think I'm having a heart attack. If I just did that, I would be able to say things to strangers properly and my vocal cords wouldn't fail me. I'd suddenly know how to handle conversation, and my mind wouldn't be completely blank. Of course! If I just wanted it hard enough, right? Whether you like it or not, severe social anxiety has very poor treatment rates…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:55 PM
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Glad we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:48 PM
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Maybe schematic ones. On yay, I can do 11 pull-ups instead of 9. How awesome. The reality is that for some there are no tangible benefits, because even with their "improvement" they fail the basic requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:41 PM
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Are you saying there are people out there who don’t care about their physical, academic, and professional achievements? Yes. Hi! I never had any ambitions academically or professionally. I never had a job, hobby, deep interest, or anything like that. I don't eave the house for months a time and never had any friends. I have distractions at best. I exercise because being forced into the aforementioned sports club as a teenager fucked up my body and left me with some physical pain (knee, hip, back…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:38 PM
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Saying you cannot improve your social skills is just as defeatist But you can't practically, not without specialized training by a professional (like SST). People who lack basic socialization can't improve without it. How could they? Seriously come up with examples. Who would engage such a person? Where? Why? Maybe close family, but people who end with inadequate socialization tend to have shit families who are most likely the reason behind the struggles in the first place. don't improve your lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:30 PM
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And I said those might not be possible? lower blood pressure? What if I don't care about my blood pressure? Not a new fact that you learned What if I don't care about the subject, got nobody to mention it to, and there's no befit to knowing that fact? I can know the height of Mount Vesuvius (it's 1,281 m btw), but how does that benefit me? new personal record at the gym Again, this depends on caring about it. I've exercised my whole life, I was in an athletics club as a teenager, the last time I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:11 PM
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Again, what's the point of self-improvement if tangible, meaningful benefits are not possible? You can pretend that people just do it for the sake of it, but that's very naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:52 PM
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That depends on early life socialization. If you don't have that, you can't be fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:45 PM
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You mean to tell me that it’s it’s possible to self-improve and not get anything out of it? Not a lower blood pressure? Not a new fact that you learned? Not a new personal record at the gym? Not a new story to tell friends? Not a slightly better job? The value of these entirely depends on personal situations and possibilities. Someone could schematically get better at these things, but not get any meaningful results from them, or simply they might not care about these results. A person who attem…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:44 PM
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Again, why would I care? Those are impossibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:22 PM
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Why would that matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:18 PM
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I don't have a concept of confidence, and why should negativity matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:15 PM
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Wow, most people who give "self-improvement" as advice never admit that results are the only thing that matters. Good on you. Still, for some those results are impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:14 PM
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No clue what that's like. Sounds masturbatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:08 PM
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Are you're telling me you don't know awful, horrible, out-of-shape, etc.. people who date? They obviously do. Why didn't they need to "improve"? It's because self-improvement is not a barrier to entry for dating. Being able to perform certain social behaviors is. But those behaviors are so basic, if you don't have them by the time you're an adult, there's most likely something very wrong with you, and it won't be fixed ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:47 PM
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Self-improvement is always a good thing, even if it doesn’t get you the exact thing you were hoping for. What if it gets you nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:22 PM
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You can always be improving yourself. There's countless opportunities for improvement. Yeah, but what if there are no results?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:21 PM
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t allows you to become a better version of yourself Not if there are no meaningful effects on their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:20 PM
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If your basic socialization is wrong, and and you basic social skills are bottom tier, meeting people is irrelevant. They won't engage, nothing will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:17 PM
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Exactly. Some people are just trash, and for them it only gets worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:11 PM
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Also, people don't need to "improve themselves" to date. I know horrible, awful, straight up evil people who date. I know out of shape, badly dressed people who date. If they can't date at all, ever, then something else is the problem, likely their basic socialization, which is virtually impossible to fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:07 PM
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Normal people don't need to do any of that just to date. Sure, if you want to date someone more attractive, what you're writing makes sense, but if you can't date at all in the first place, it won't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:05 PM
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Normal people don't need to improve themselves to be able to date. If you can't date at all, self-improvement won't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:01 PM
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When you have anhedonia and grew up in an environment where you were never really taught how to foster interests, you most likely won't be able to "pour yourself into hobbies".
/r/AllPillDebate17/08/23 08:48 AM
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Or they're just being nice and don't actually think you're attractive.
/r/AllPillDebate04/08/23 02:02 PM
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Why can’t you choose a career or something? I have a decently valuable 2-year industrial technician's degree (as well as a certification as a PLC programmer), but it was a huge struggle to get due to social anxiety, which then stopped me from getting proper work. I can't do phone calls, I can't do interviews, and I can't do the necessary interactions of daily in-person work. Or at least try to get on disability? Not really a thing around here for mental illness, I'm not from a rich western count…
/r/AllPillDebate04/08/23 01:39 PM
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Yes, when they die I'll either rope or become homeless. Also, I have occasionally done online, part-time work through Appen (ad & search result rating), but that dried up a while ago.
/r/AllPillDebate04/08/23 01:07 PM
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Well, I believe the "autistic" part now.
/r/AllPillDebate04/08/23 04:01 AM
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So, it was bragging, got it.
/r/AllPillDebate04/08/23 03:49 AM
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Nope. I have no income.
/r/AllPillDebate04/08/23 03:00 AM
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Has a profession or trade that pays decently well. Never had a proper job. Working or in school full time. lol no Is putting money away for retirement Nope. Will be able to afford a house Maybe if I inherit one. Is loyal: won’t cheat How the fuck should I know. Doesn’t smoke Yay, got one. Doesn’t drink more than like a beer once a week, if at all Or two. Doesn’t do drugs including weed m Well... Gentle Kind I don't interact with people enough to have a meaningful social profile, these qualities …
/r/AllPillDebate04/08/23 01:26 AM
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my insane levels of confidence and skilled navigation of social situations This is entirely dependent on early life socialization. Useless as a piece of advice, you're just bragging. Maybe for parents it's a good advice when it comes to what to do with their children.
/r/AllPillDebate04/08/23 01:18 AM
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This is legit so funny to read. My cover photo is of me smiling like a goofball at last year's little birthday cake with a lit candle flanked by friends. Never had a birthday celebrated, never had friends. Second photo is a photo of me at my mate's wedding with the newly weds. lol I just say briefly what I've done, what I do, and what I'm planning to do. Never planned to do anything, never had goals, never "done" anything. Normal people are baffling.
/r/AllPillDebate04/08/23 12:32 AM
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In order to be an ugly man who's still successful with women, you have to have excellent early life socialization. If you miss out on that, you'll never be able to replicate the level of social competency required.
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 05:33 PM
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Confirmation bias. Most don't make it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:10 PM
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The stats don't look good tho. 70% of people with autism (and an even higher percentage of males with autism) never date.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:08 PM
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True. Most "ugly" people date. Most people with autism don't date.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:01 PM
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38 Robot
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 03:14 PM
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About negligible to zero.
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 09:59 AM
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Two things: you underestimate just how badly some people want any sort of public attention, even if it's negative you underestimate the prevalence of savior complex Yes, both of these groups tend to be weird, fucked up people, but they do exist.
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 09:51 AM
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person that you’re compatible with Please stay in reality and don't bring up made up fantasy creatures.
/r/AllPillDebate30/07/23 10:09 PM
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This (as well as your other recent post) feels like bait.
/r/AllPillDebate11/07/23 01:10 PM
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A big problem with therapy is that for many it's just not available, especially if they live outside the progressive western world. Private care is often too expensive, while private care is frequently lacking.
/r/AllPillDebate11/07/23 12:52 PM
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Mental illnesses and maladaptive social behaviors are not 'fake'. Those can make you involuntary celibate, if they're bad enough.
/r/AllPillDebate10/07/23 03:20 PM
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Racial and ethnic preferences are weird.
/r/AllPillDebate10/07/23 03:12 PM
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Yeah, most incels are incels because of social reasons. I know I am, for one.
/r/AllPillDebate10/07/23 03:03 PM
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I disagree with this. The most popular body type among women in my experience right now is more svelte that that. As long as you're not overweight, you're doing better than most in many countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:29 PM
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Exactly. Autism, Social Anxiety Disorder, Avoidant Personality Disorder, atypical upbringing and socialization, etc... are all common in these groups. At that point it's not really about decisions, but capabilities, and how much these conditions handicap them.
/r/AllPillDebate03/07/23 10:06 PM
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blame the society or else Id don't do that, I'm aware that I'm the problem, as are many others. I don't even have autism, I merely pointed out those 70% are going to exist. There will be individuals who won't be able to pull it off. Everyone has a breaking point, past which they can no longer believe it's possible.
/r/AllPillDebate03/07/23 01:52 PM
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70% of people with autism don't date. Are you saying they're not trying hard enough?
/r/AllPillDebate03/07/23 01:06 PM
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don't think that issues such as depression or social anxiety started because of lack of sex. This is correct, lack of intimacy is a consequence is those things, but in turn it also make those feelings worse. I don't understand is the idea that sexual access is the reason men do anything productive in the first place. In my mind, you set and achieve your goals because they're fun Maybe not entirely, but it's demotivating to not really have anybody who cares, anybody you can share those things wit…
/r/AllPillDebate02/07/23 12:58 PM
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Usually it's a result of being unattractive and being socially inept/having heavy social anxiety. The problem is that you can't do too much about the latter if you're too deep down.
/r/AllPillDebate01/07/23 02:38 PM
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If it's only about sex for him, he doesn't care about "about morality, social status, or personality type". I mean, why would he?
/r/AllPillDebate30/06/23 06:53 AM
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Considering how bad trans people are treated, nah.
/r/AllPillDebate27/06/23 04:58 PM
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Not just when a girl asks, when anybody asks. If you have to, make up a simple lie that is easy to keep straight. If you let people know you're a virgin later in life in the workplace or in tertiary education, that can have severe consequences with ridicule and bullying.
/r/AllPillDebate27/06/23 10:23 AM
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Well said. The only chances I see for somebody like this are, either they find somebody who's neurodivergent in a similar way (unlikely), or they find an excellent social skills therapist who's willing to put in a shitton of hours (like, meeting multiple times a week level), but that latter option wouldn't be covered by a public system anywhere, and in private care it would be insanely expensive.
/r/AllPillDebate23/06/23 04:04 PM
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Well, there is Social Skills Training (SST), which was specifically developed for people with autism, but I'm really not sure about how successful it is, I've seen no stats (I'm not even sure how one would measure it anyway). It's also pretty difficult to find a therapist who's skilled in it. Your post is spot on tho. You can't learn this stuff outside of childhood/adolescence. People just won't engage someone who lacks basic social skills later in life, therefore you won't learn. That's what SS…
/r/AllPillDebate23/06/23 11:07 AM
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This isn't really true. However, you do need to have reasons to be confident, you can't be confident if you lack those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:40 AM
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Fat and ugly people date. You can improve the quality of your dates with looksmaxing, but if you can't date at all when you're unattractive, something else is wrong. Your point about social situations I agree with, but again, normal people still usually figure that stuff out intuitively.
/r/AllPillDebate22/06/23 09:01 PM
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If you haven't figured it out by now intuitively, your chances are pretty bad. Normal people don't need to "self-improve" or even try all that hard, they just do it naturally. If you can't, something is probably very wrong.
/r/AllPillDebate22/06/23 06:28 PM
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Attitude matters little for this. From his post, it's pretty clearly an issue with socialization and isolation, and people like that won't find "their circle" because they lack the basic skills to do so.
/r/AllPillDebate20/06/23 01:54 PM
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Advice like this doesn't get that when you're in this situation, you won't be able to find "the right circle", you won't be able to find any "circle".
/r/AllPillDebate20/06/23 06:59 AM
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go fishing or lift weights or something. Practice a creative hobby that expresses your deepest feelings. Write a song. This might help with some of the psychological aspects, but won't solve the fundamental issues that stem from longtime social isolation, anxiety, and autism.
/r/AllPillDebate20/06/23 06:59 AM
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This is true. You pretty much have to come out of childhood & adolescence with apt social skills and a lack isolation related trauma to have a chance. You don't even have to have autism, it fucks you either way, because when you lack basic social skills and normal social interests (inevitable results of longtime isolation), people won't want to engage you, and you won't know how to engage them. Pretty much the only faint chance people like that have is Social Skills Training (SST), which was ori…
/r/AllPillDebate20/06/23 06:52 AM
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maybe search for Eastern European women Truly spoken like somebody who hasn't been in a 10k mile radius of Eastern Europe.
/r/AllPillDebate20/06/23 06:34 AM
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No, they don't. They also don't fart or poop. Everyone knows this, duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:16 AM
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You sound like you're on stimulants. Lay down the Adderall, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 06:07 PM
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When you're normal, normalcy seems ocean wide, when you're abnormal, it seems like the size of a pinhead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 06:03 PM
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You're focusing on a couple convenient fringe idiots. Most people like that don't "expect" anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:58 PM
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Doing normal things when you're abnormal won't work, because the results won't be normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:57 PM
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Again, what is it you think they "expect"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:51 PM
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Life is hard life knocks you down This is simply not true. Life in the developed world is piss easy. Normal people just do random shit, and they end up fine because they're normal. However, if you're abnormal, that's not going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:49 PM
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"Expect"? Why do you guys always come with the presumption of these "expectations"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:46 PM
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Now you brought it too far, this is obviously bait.
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 03:32 AM
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Your adolescence wasn't finished then.
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 03:31 AM
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Damn, hardware is free?! Oh wow!
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 03:30 AM
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I was a helpless virgin stuck in friend zones until I got lucky at 18. That's normal at that age. You weren't a true "helpless virgin". You were just a normal teenager.
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 03:13 AM
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You were self-admittedly capable of these kinds of interactions when you were young, albeit in a somewhat cringey way (which is normal for that age anyway).
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 03:00 AM
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Ah yes, drop hundreds, if not thousands of dollars if you include all the necessary hardware on this dubious thing, when even professional help often has a low rate of success with some of these conditions. You're a real genius, mate.
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 02:57 AM
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Diagnosable conditions like autism, social anxiety disorder, avoidant personality disorder, things like that. Or simply situational things, like growing up in isolation.
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 02:43 AM
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You guys are really funny, you know. That's not how social abnormalities work.
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 01:23 AM
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No, it's pretty obvious you didn't learn it, you improved it. Very different.
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 01:21 AM
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People, not just women, won't engage you if you have certain social abnormalities. "Just talk to women lol" only works if you're already pretty good at that stuff.
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 01:03 AM
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No, it cannot be learned to a meaningful degree. You either come out of childhood/adolescence like this, or not. Personality is a result of childhood & adolescent experiences (and of course a presence of or lack of mental illnesses).
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 01:01 AM
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You know that song is about masturbation, right?
/r/AllPillDebate08/06/23 01:32 AM
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The key is to install a shower in the gym, that way you can shower and work out at the same time. Only top 0.001% Chads know this trick.
/r/AllPillDebate01/06/23 06:34 PM
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People simply won't engage you at that point. I mean, why would they? What would normal people gain from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 03:57 AM
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No matter how lonely you feel, understand that life can be enjoyed alone. Yeah, if you're schizoid, maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 02:08 AM
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There is hardly a way back into society from the place a lot of men here come. It would require years of close social contact with friends of both sexes. It would require making crucial coming of age experiences that might be forever unachievable now. This is spot on. It's pretty much impossible fix post mid-20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 02:06 AM
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Agree, it is important to be aware of the fact that everyone sucks.
/r/AllPillDebate30/05/23 12:43 AM
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Whether or not someone can date depends almost entirely on their ability to replicate certain social behaviors. However, who they can date depends on how attractive they themselves are, primarily how physically attractive they are. A dude can't date at all, ever? Social problem. A dude can only date unattractive women? That dude is ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 12:34 AM
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It's likely that you, and some other men, have been led to believe that you're less attractive than you actually are due to a lack of clear affirmations. Unfortunately only the absolute most attractive men get meaningful compliments, so this indeed happens fairly often. Even men who are above average (but not super attractive) often get zero affirmations about their attractiveness. However, that doesn't mean that many men aren't truly ugly as shit, and are handicapped by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 10:22 PM
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Most of self-improvement is a bit of scam anyway, it's just a variation of "do random thing" most of the time. Most people like to claim how hard they work in all aspects of life in order to feel better about themselves and to brag to others, but in really it's just that, "they did random things", and because they're normal human beings it worked out for them with relationships, hookups, friends, etc... I don't think it makes people feel jaded, but people who are already jaded and insecure are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 07:06 PM
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Don't fall for the "open up" meme. People just want the cute boy/girl to make them feel special by sharing something innocuous, they don't actually want to hear heavy shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 01:22 AM
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don’t be afraid to be confident That's not how confidence works. It's entirely based on past experiences, if one lacks those experience, they cannot be "confident" in a way that's recognized as such. Instead their "confidence" will be seen as creepy, and inappropriate for their status.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 11:11 AM
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