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you must be an 8 or higher face-wise:)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 07:06 AM
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average man/woman is a mass. It's what you get on you put 150 million of American men in a blender. It exists as a statistic. Within the statistic a lot of people will be in the middle and actually fit the average profile. But they are not the ones we're talking about. We're talking about the far ends. For example women score on average higher on empathy, so does this make a woman sitting in jail for murder with intent more empathetic than the man sitting in jail for murder with intent?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 06:43 AM
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female is quite significantly different to that of a male on average. An average man and an average woman don't exist. There's individual A (you) and individual B (Obama) and you have zilch in common
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 11:10 AM
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it's nothing to study, character traits are more important than genitalia. A man and woman with clinical depression will be more similar to themselves than to any random representative of their respective gender. A man and a woman who are adrenaline junkies will be more similar to themselves than to any random representative of their respective gender. You (I'm assuming you're a man) are not more similar to Obama just because you share the same genitalia. You are more similar to me, a rando girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 06:23 AM
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it counts for something, but maybe you should keep your goals a tad more realistic than being attractive at 50. You're 20, the magic fairy of good looks might still hit you on the head with her wand
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 08:57 PM
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don't mix solitude into it, you can have oodles of friends being ugly. I understand incels are sad because they're not having sex the same way I understand some talentless child wants to be a musician. It's unfair some are born with talent, but there's nothing anyone can do about it but yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 07:34 PM
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people are governed by two needs: avoidance of pain the gaining of pleasure People empathize with the first, never the latter. The latter is totally in your hands (you don't donate money for concert tickets, but you donate money for cancer treatment).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:58 PM
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He was handsome to begin with, he's black, 1.91m and he's an actor. You can't lift your way into having those prerequisites. Of course if you count money then the 'wall" (a time when no one new will have sex you?) never happens for anyone, you can always buy sex directly or less directly Hugh Hefner style. PS There are freak women looking young as well, from his year: woman one, two
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:14 PM
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you'd be above average and hit the wall around 50 if you started out as Brad Pitt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 05:25 PM
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so you're a woman and you can't fathom that a wedding has multiple functions? (and you're using the term 'the wall' that was invented to basically pretend only one gender ages)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 05:01 PM
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English is not my first language, you're using too metaphorical language for me
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:48 PM
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they know, they are living it. What you don't like is that they are enjoying themselves instead of marrying an ugly guy out of fear that in 10 years the party will stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:46 PM
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marriage is marketed as something two people do when they love each other it is. It is also basically a contract between associates who want to start a company that will be literally producing humans. This is kinda important also none of them know their value to men decreases as they age As much as I think 20year olds are barely different from fetuses, I think they are aware of the process of aging, they have parents
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:30 PM
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the point is, 30% will not have kids (among the current 50+ year old generation it's ~20%). We don't need to incorporate children as a factor in every statistic about genders, as a growing % will not be affected
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:15 PM
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there are 100% garbage men if that helps you? You wrote 'facility' so I'm guessing it's some sort of scientific field (?) so I don't think they are quitting and going to walmarkt, are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:00 PM
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I don't care about any of the 3. I'd care about state's involvement A LOT if I planned on reproduction. Reproduction is a huge risk and investment on the woman's part
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 02:06 PM
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No, I guarantee you not even the most conservative redpilled woman cares about some group of men not having sex. There are sick and hungry people on this planet ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 01:58 PM
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Don't make people do more googling than necessary:) Canada, then. 47.7\% of your labor force are women, so it's not like they're quiting working altogether, they are going somewhere else. There might be a buttload of reasons why they are quiting your company that are not strictly task related.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 01:37 PM
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Is it US?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 01:02 PM
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statistically but not inevitably. There can be 1 million men with x trait, and 500.000 women with x trait. Say less than 0.001% of them will grow up to be in any of those positions we're talking about. What will decide about the 0.001% is a buttload of other variables (money, background, education, health, motivation, parents)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 12:16 PM
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It's not that all average men (or women) want to be president/CFO but can't. Average people don't want to have a job this demanding . They want to work a little, then play, have a barbecue and a holiday and a trip. Being CEO is pure responsibility and you really have to think the perceived power and money are worth it to outweigh your fun time and a heart disease for it. And those people who think it's worth it are a "separate species" (and within this 'species' the men and women are more simila…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 10:34 AM
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no, the gap doesn't have to be evenly spread out. An average woman doesn't exist. An average woman is a creature composed of retailers, politicians, teachers, murderers, nurses, CEOs, SAHMs. If the number of very high positions is let's say 10, it doesn't matter that 300 men and 200 women are competing for it (statistically it matters, in reality what matters is which 10 individuals has the sharpest claws to claw their way up)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 09:49 AM
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that women have less on average. It's not average people who take part in the race.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 09:24 AM
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Women will still have children... 30% of millennials don;t want to have children. In 20 years artificial gestational devices might be a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 09:19 AM
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Yes. The men at top level positions are less similar to the average man than they are to a woman in a top level position. This is a group of people with very specific traits (some sociopathic I'd claim). It doesn't matter if the percent of people with those traits differs between genders in the general pool of humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 09:05 AM
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Pill references popped up somewhere on reddit, I looked it up to know what the f it is and now I'm writing stupid ship on here
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 08:25 AM
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Even if you widely ignore the demographics, counting how many people bitch about x on reddit will only give you a representation of people who had something to bitch about. And you can't correct for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 07:35 AM
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for the age gap? You can probably assume the reference point is 40%, so for example the 10 year gap would be 55.6% (39% of 40=15.6)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 07:10 AM
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I know of at least 3 couples right now that have a younger spouse/gf. and how many couples in general do you know of? One hundred, two hundred? (past classmates, workmates, flatmates)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 07:04 AM
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There aren't enough women with problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 06:57 AM
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of course the bigger the age gap the smaller the sample. And the bigger the age gap and the bigger the chance the decision to marry was clouded by money
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 06:36 AM
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guess, what, everyone over x age gets pestered to settle down (you can go on r/childfree for examples). It can start at 25 if you live in the Bible belt or at 35 if you live in Norway, but it happens for all, everywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 09:19 PM
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shorter guys on average tend to marry younger women. maybe shorter guys have more money (as they spent more time studying?)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 09:05 PM
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no one's shaming you, you just have to be a hot architect to be able to do that, and not many are, so planning your life like this is weird
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 08:47 PM
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It's because I never derided THE INTERNET. If I say 'people at the dermatologists are on average uglier' I'm not saying that seeing a dermatologist is bad You believe the average man to be competent at picking up women? compared to what? People still form couples so most are successful (not sure the word competent fits here )
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 08:31 PM
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It's a good way for him because he had a problem. The same way visiting a dermatologist is a good idea, but most of the people visiting have had a problem in the first place. This makes it a certain demographic, not an average demographic sample
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 08:12 PM
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The internet is a good way, in the olden days pre-google people managed as well
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 07:47 PM
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well, 6 years is only 4 years off the average mark (so it's as "normal" as the woman being 2 years older than hubby). I agree it's doable (although I'd say a big chunk of it is already decided at 23 because education=job prospects)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 07:42 PM
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A guy dating women 5-7 years younger than him is pretty normal what percentage would you put on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 06:46 PM
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I'm not slagging it off, I'm saying there must have been a preexisting need to do it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 06:32 PM
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It's just a lot rarer than it is the other way round I know, that's why the average gap is always man+/woman- . But a man PLANING on having a 10y younger wife is like a woman planning to marry a 4y younger guy. It's ridiculous, it might happen, but it's not something to bet on or plan out your life around
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 06:28 PM
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You made it look the same by deliberately comparing apples and oranges. I did it on purpose not to trick perception, only to picture how the same percentage is unnoticeable when you don't have an interest in it. So how often do you meet women with 4+ year younger husbands?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 06:08 PM
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She had borderline. That’s why “was”. Otherwise she would be still with me it's a chicken-or-egg kind of problem. You could equally say she married a 20 year older man (by many standards an impulsive choice) because she was borderline. But never mind. Of course there are examples from both sides of extreme age differences, my post was about people who rely on it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:52 PM
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So the % of men married to 10+years younger women is 7.4 , the % of women married to 4+years younger men is 7.6. Almost the same, how often do you see the latter? (That's why I asked about observer bias, men inflate in their memory how common the former is)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:43 PM
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My last wife was 20 years younger was. That's why It happens all of the time what kind of measurement unit is 'allthetime'?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:23 PM
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I understand slagging off makeup, but figure is a valid part of how you look, same goes for men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:19 PM
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do you want me to find 10 examples for every one of yours where both were already "celebs"? I'd hate to waste that time honestly. Think of any random celeb, they are married to a celeb. it's not the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:17 PM
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A late 30s man marrying a late 20s women isn't crazy hard. from the graph I posted it looks like the percent of men with -10yo women is the same as percent of women with -5yo men. How often do you see the latter?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:00 PM
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I doubt it's the most influential variable for divorce rates I didn't say that, just helped you picture what you said you couldn't
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 04:50 PM
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It's not about time, It's about who would even need and bother to go online to look for it in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:21 PM
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that's where self-improvement comes in I encourage that, get educated, get better looking etc, we'll all benefit from that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:15 PM
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Jesus, I know couples like that exist, I was one of them when I was 21, my sister married an older man, but It's foolish to rely on this PS. what does ' solid blue ' mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:07 PM
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hard time picturing men getting along just fine with a woman the same age. actually couples the same age divorce the least
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 02:29 PM
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I read disparity is larger for "secondary market" (divorcees). There's much less people to choose from in those conditions (similarly gay people present a bigger age disparity)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 02:25 PM
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I'd say that makes couples where the male is significantly older not uncommon If it's 20%* like you guestimated that would make it less common than couples where the woman is older (23%). And I didn't write 'uncommon', I wrote they are relying on it for their older age *if I find some visual surface measuring tool I'll post the findings later
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 01:34 PM
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nothing, just pointing out those stats are usually skewed
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 01:15 PM
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what makes you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 01:03 PM
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The average is 2. years I mean those stats do not measure for the same thing. The wiki average is about age at first marriage (so primary market), the graph is about cohabitating couples (so every age, every civil status) if you pack the left side in it looks like the woman is older in 20% of couples 23% (from article) so 25-30% to me though you just wrote those numbers were inflated
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 01:00 PM
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you can make it a statistic for someone who's interested in the topics of reddit threads. That's the only thing it'll be a representative sample of
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 12:46 PM
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Those arent even on my radar when I talk about men the definition of observer bias Who do you think constitutes the manosphere? The hot and rich?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 12:42 PM
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ignore societies shaming mechanisms against it and be a 10/10
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 12:40 PM
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I went for a walk once and found a 100 dollar bill once
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 12:37 PM
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Eyeballing it it looks like 25-30% hmm, the article it came from says the 'man older' yellow area is 64% in general. So the 5+ can't be 25-30 as this would be close to half (and the 5+ invisible line doesn't divide the area anywhere near half)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 12:29 PM
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this is consistent with stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:50 AM
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maybe that's why the divorce rate is so high Bigger age gap correlates with higher divorce rates link But a man who is 35 can easily get a wife 10 years younger in Senegal
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:49 AM
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I think it's the opposite. You try to deny the information because you don't like it. I have wiki stats, you have your "testimony" aka family stories Maybe it depends on the country you are from? my country only differs 0.2 from the US. I live in a very densely populated agglomeration, My circle is tertiary educated (I'm not "bragging" just denoting the demography)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:42 AM
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It would make sense for older men who are working on self-improvement those are men who went online because they couldn't get a woman in the first place. They need improvement to became average. How much improvement will catapult them over average?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:29 AM
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you'd need a bar graph for that, it looks like around 10%
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:23 AM
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I have definitely seen a lot of men in their 30s dating early 20s girls You come across hundreds of couples the same age and you don't register them. Then you see like 5 with a bigger age difference and you remember them. They are burned in your brain because you like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:14 AM
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plenty look at the numbers on the left denoting percentage
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:48 AM
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I considered it might be the parents' or grandparents' example but no, the average age gap in the 50/70's was only 1 year bigger than now
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:24 AM
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sizeable fraction of men are able to get with younger partners If it was sizeable then average difference would be larger than 2 years Go on r/relationships and count how Counting reddit threads is not a statistic but I see plenty of dudes in their 30s getting with girls in their mid-20s. That's why I asked about observer bias, I don't see them, nor do they feature prominently in stats
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:19 AM
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not so sure, if the ones who didn't bother their heads with such pedestrian matters were in the meantime becoming surgeons or lawyers, then they would have a bigger chance
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:13 AM
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I said marry, not buy;) EDIT: the differences is far Asia are not all huge either, eg China 2.2 , Vietnam 3.4
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:04 AM
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what's the chance the guy who had to go online to learn how to pick up a girl in the first place is going to make it to the 'exceptional pool'?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 09:57 AM
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If you mean attractive women with 'meh'men then I agree (as there are more attractive women for some reason) so some of them mathematically "have to" date down in the looks department as there just aren't enough attractive men to go around. But this ugly men who end up with smoking hot women No, I don't see it outside of tv
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 09:16 AM
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I think this sentiment is based on seeing a handful of filthy rich men on tv with bimbos.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 07:51 AM
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More females than males there are always more women on paper as they outlive men. To get a real ratio of boys/girls being born you need to cut off the 50+ crowd when men start to die off
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 07:35 AM
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CEO will marry his secretary, top physician marries a nurse, pilot with a gate agent in movies
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 09:26 PM
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women date and marry below their looksmatch. Usually, it's because he has other qualities she values or is it because there are not enough attractive men to mathematically pair up with all hot women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 08:15 PM
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For men, it's not based on status and measuring resumes It's not true. Actors and musicians marry other well off women. You don't have to literally care about the resume, but you care if that person if from "your world"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 08:11 PM
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choose the rottweiler over this girl comparing pictures 30 years apart, are we?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 12:55 PM
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yeah, people who want to sleep around and then want to marry someone with zero exes should not reproduce. This math is not that hard to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 12:46 PM
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You find disgusting that people can stop pushing the goalposts on the right conditions the goalposts get pushed because in industrial nations it takes a lot to produce an employable human being and the human won't work for their keep starting from age 7 like in the olden days. Goalposts get pushed because everything changed. In Europe people get married at 30 on average. Most kids are born in marriages so by default a lot of them will be born to 30+ couples. Where I live having a kid under 24 is…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 11:12 AM
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I find disgusting the opposite. No one will choose to have a kid in unfortunate conditions just to have it 5 years sooner and a 0.5% difference of some diseases.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 10:41 AM
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true, man's age was previously totally ignored (due to good old time sexism). The myth used to be 'sperm is produced continually so it's always young'. The truth is it's produced through cell division which is how you get mistakes (a 40yo man's sperm has 64 de novo mutations, a 40yo woman's ovum - 15)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 07:36 AM
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I "prefer" Liam Hemsworth, but I'm not getting him. You can prefer whoever you wish, you'll get who you'll get (if anyone). Vast majority of people pairs up with people their age. Average age difference between married couples in EVERY 1st world country is ~ 2years
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 07:09 AM
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my feels tell me I never wanted to fuck anyone older than `~33 (if that, I look a decade younger so some men around my age are already too bald for my tatse). We're talking about looks, of course some bimbos will bite their lip and do it for the prizes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 06:42 AM
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guess what, the same goes for men, again, it's called aging, a very well documented phenomenon, 5 years old are aware of it. Men and women peak before 30
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 06:18 AM
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"look at that pretty girl there, why don't you ask her out. Lemme just wait a little till she turns to see her face better"- two idiots talking about me on a bus 2 meters away from me. That was last week, today I got 'meow-ed' at from a balcony
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:03 PM
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women get the signal to go into STEM, or coding, or science, because there are fewer women in those fields, so they get a double dose of the 'go to college' advice I don't think this changes the number of women who go to college tho. The women who get this message and can actually do something about it were going to college anyway (but maybe thought of chemistry or something). You're off the mark I'm form Europe, I don't know those generation names. What I meant is that between school and kids t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 07:25 PM
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All of a sudden, those little niceties from strange men and acquaintances pretty much vanish I fucking would love that. "those little niceties from strange men", you mean harassing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 06:24 PM
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wife and fer friends all obtained degrees that they were passionate about - biology this is exactly the same thing that happens to male geology students (market too small, too many universities open those subjects because they make money). This is a problem for the education system to be more in tune with the job market Once generation Z sees the plight of today's Millennial, they're going to back back away from the colleges and careers you're dreaming. In 15 years people will marry at 35 (like …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 06:15 PM
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I didn't mean any of this post, I just wanted to see how people will react to those arguments used in regards to "poor childless men" (as opposed to women who usually get the 'I know better what you need, you were poisoned by feminism' treatment)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 06:02 PM
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maybe you didn't mean that this way, maybe I read that this way, nevermind
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 05:58 PM
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I commented because you automatically assumed a 36yo woman and a 33yo man (man's age is correlated to miscarriages in older couples) can't have a kid naturally
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 05:55 PM
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It’s health care I said 'poor European country' to underline ain't no one can afford in vitro ridding themselves of unviable fetuses unwanted kids with defects at higher rates higher from 0.01% to 1%, if you look at it as multiplication it's sensational, If you look at it from the perspective of the couple who wants a kid it's nothing It’s how often you have to try to actually conceive who's complaining about that? I gave you the benefit of the doubt you knew what you were talking about till Kim…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 05:43 PM
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through science! 16% of children in my (poor eastern European) country are born to women over 35 (50% to women over 30%) The myth of fertility dropping off a cliff came about because people downsized their families, and couples were usually done procreating at 30, so older parents became a rare view. But it's not magic to conceive around 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 04:51 PM
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"the wall" is just a fancy way of saying that people age. Jesus what a discovery
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 04:43 PM
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This gets posted on a schedule. No one ever proves causation (50 billion things changed between now and then). Even if you believe this, can someone tell me what they expect to happen if they convince others to believe this? Will women voluntarily ditch school? Will women voluntarily make themselves dumber? Will they kindly leave their job posts so random man can have it ? What is the ideal realistic scenario you (OP, or anyone who believes this) expect?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 04:34 PM
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Increase in education was not a whim. We had an increase in education, because we don't trade ourselves in potato picking anymore. In industrial nations we have thinking jobs that need education. Long and costly education makes people turn towards k selection (quality not quantity)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:56 PM
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oh, details...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 11:29 AM
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cool, thought experiment for you: Timmy goes to school with 1000 kids, there are 10 kids in class. Timmy wants to form a band and he asked Ben, Sven, Glen, Sarah and Vicky if they want to be in that band. He didn't ask Jim, Jack , Gill and Gerta. The day of the decision came and Glen said "hi, I want to form a band with you", Timmy said "great, lets play". Question: who had more influence over who became the band members a) Timmy b) Glen c) both ?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:43 AM
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crazy thought, but maybe it's possible to not hate the person you voluntarily married?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:28 AM
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if I was in the top 20% in finance, status, and looks (characterizing an alpha) and I was 50+ no one young cares about the looks of the 50+ crowd. Money and only money would get you laid at 50+ with someone younger (I'm assuming that's the purpose). A lot of money. If a young woman is scraping the 50+ pool, she's not there for the looks
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:26 AM
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I'm afraid it's impossible, because this woman is suffering of a rare disease: existing in the imagination of a red piller:) There is no cure
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 07:41 AM
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Let's say you set a date with your friend to meet one day and eg build a gazebo in a garden. But on the day the friend doesn't come and you're standing there alone. Is it you "deciding" not to build the gazebo? Or is it a tad more complicated?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 06:28 AM
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:)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 06:16 AM
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I can't, if I had better snooping skills I'd check the IP:) But I dare you to find a woman who says "comrades" and who thinks it's "awful" some group of men is not having sex and who wishes she was pestered about prettiness and fertility more.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 11:04 PM
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yes, I misread that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:46 PM
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I don't even care by the merit, I'm so amused some guy put work into it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:27 PM
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the inverted-U curve is repeated in this study, although only for one group
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:01 PM
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birth cohort, as in they were born in 1970
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 08:42 PM
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oh honey, thanks for this. I have some linguistic background, it was so much fun to play a profiler again for fun:)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 08:24 PM
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it's been like this forever, we don't see it as "assistance" to parents (the kindergartens are not 100% percent tax funded, you still pay about half of what private would cost). We now since 2016 have actual assistance as in 'money for kids'
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 08:20 PM
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Look at you pretending you don't know that word That's where I got it from You "got it" from a 1 day old article? (PS, I never said you used it:) It's abundantly featured in old threads you commented in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 08:16 PM
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> Are you saying that single parents shouldn't have to work? hospital and kindergarten doesn't pay your rent or food, so yes, you have to work if you're fond of those things
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 07:33 PM
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government assistance is so abundant until 2016 there was zero government assistance to parents (but heath care and childcare are public)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 07:12 PM
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I did some snooping, there are a couple of reddit threads you're on where the word comrade was used. You bothered to edit this article so that everyone reads. You're being very diplomatic bout my accusation it's a man's writing. I'm 80% sure you wrote it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 07:05 PM
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some women act like clown cars going from man to man contrary to ALL men who are in the meantime putting together a crib for their future children?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 06:31 PM
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education depresses fertility in men even more
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 06:29 PM
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Too much testosterone decreases intelligence
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 06:21 PM
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I am living 'there', until recently* 86% of divorcees didn't even pay child support, we have a birth rate of 1.3 *it fell to 75% lately with new government
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 06:18 PM
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there's an optimal level, and this is what supplementation aims at if you're below.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 06:15 PM
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as far as medical doses are concerned they are not given without a preexisting problem with testosterone
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 06:00 PM
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launchpad otherwise known as fan fiction :D This is hilarious, someone should have at least proofread that. It's a man's writing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:55 PM
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men too, who can’t find their Madonnas either because they’ve all turned cocksure feminists great piece of red pill fan fiction, I give it A+!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:43 PM
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so are pubic lice
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:38 PM
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read this post and be forever thankful if any woman kindly ever makes a human for you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:34 PM
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cost of raising a child, taxation, cultural/behavioral shifting trends, etc. All this is K selection unconstitutional) treatment of males in civil jurisprudence if this is the reason then why does the US have a higher birth rate than most of Europe?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:25 PM
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You're assuming an average man would get more sex outside of a marriage. I wouldn't bet on it. Certainly not past a certain age. You'll be old and bald someday Many men don't realize the amount of work it takes to stay desirable to their wives. contrary to how little it takes to be desirable to randoms?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:13 PM
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I'm OP. You were arguing women decide in a vacuum to not have kids, I argued it's a result of your marriage and work load (you have a "testing" child and see what happens).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 04:53 PM
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red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 04:28 PM
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she's losing money by losing on work/ work promotions, she's facing future health problems (you can browse through here ). How much would you pay to avoid having your penis torn in half, anal incontinence, loss of orgasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 04:26 PM
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I though it was in the texts you linked at what level of T the benefits start to decline (where does the curve start to fall)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:41 PM
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the drop off occurs pretty high where does it specify that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:34 PM
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According to her I'm sure he has literally rented an extra space for his hobby, I've been there. It's not her subjective feeling
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:30 PM
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She could go to a sperm clinic and be artificially inseminated if she wants by the same logic men are choosing not to have kids by deciding not to hire surrogates Imagine a wife saying "I want a kid, but hubby doesn't want a surrogate, so ultimately it was his choice we don;t have kids" The fact that you don't want to bend yourself over backwards to have kids doesn't mean you chose this alone. single moms who seem happy with their kid(s). sometimes it might honestly be less work sans the father,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:26 PM
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You even posted elsewhere here about percents of men and women who want children yes , why do you think more men STILL want kids after they have one while more women don't? Women don't choose to have kids in a vacuum. If all burden fell on your shoulders what sane person would like to continue on this trajectory?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:04 PM
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if men can be unrealistic then so can we. Men request.. you can even call it a petition even, it doesn't matter. If either party isn't interested there will be no couple
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 02:47 PM
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this is when you get a reading on glandular secretion of testosterone (your genetically predetermined t level) before nurture and environment steps in too much
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 02:30 PM
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OKCupid stats and am realistic enough to know that I'm not Chad have you seen the other half of them where men write to hot women 25 times more than to ugly women (while women write to hot men only 11 times more than to ugly men)? MEN PICK, only you usually pick first, women pick second, there will be no relationship if any picking party doesn't do their picking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 02:14 PM
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men can have any effect on fertility rates in the US is laughable, it is entirely up to women story time: My female friend planned on 2/3 kids with her husband, after the first the father stopped spending time at home, took his hobby out and does zero chores (they both work) . She now doesn't want any more kids, she is also thinking about divorce. This is how men influence fertility rates
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 02:03 PM
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the Harvard study is about the effect of testosterone AFTER the natural decline (deterioration in old age) So they are bringing it back. The other site says " optimal testosterone " in the first sentence. It's not 'the more the better'
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 01:44 PM
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Mental focus is a will known side effect of trt therpy in men They needed trt therpy because something was wrong in the first place. If it's too low supplementing it will make you average. I'll look for some other study portraying the inverted-U curve
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 01:38 PM
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Murder by parent is the LEADING cause of death for children under 9 wow, put that in TIL before I steal it:)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 01:32 PM
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Are you with someone now? yes, I didn't pick him off the floor. That's how it works, see. Both parties have to choose each other, the order doesn't matter I don't know what you mean by "potato privileges," Can I now pretend I have no agency and everything around me just happens regardless of what I do?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 01:29 PM
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I'm not necessarily that much older, I just think I know better what they need, so will it work? Maybe start a sub where I'll talk with different women about what all men really want and how they were led astray
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 01:22 PM
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the boy I fancied in junior high didn't pick me, the boy I fancied at camp didn't pick me, neither did this student from when I was on exchange. Do I get potato privileges now? Can I blame it all on men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 01:16 PM
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out parent my wife every day of the week so that she can be a mother so what does that entail? (before you answer, parenting is everything that needs to be done around a kid, not just giving life lessons and such)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 01:13 PM
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Or I could find a girl... can you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 01:03 PM
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so telling people that they were poisoned and that their true goal is something you want for them, rather than what they want is nonsense?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 12:56 PM
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my father was also like that, and that's why he's not getting any grandchildren
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 12:47 PM
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Men in third world countries have kids, you don't want to tell me Americans are worse off than them? They are just having fun and wake up when it's too late
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 12:42 PM
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Ask how many of those men want to be single fathers everybody wants kids, they were just poisoned by liberalism and don't realize. I'm more concerned with what's good for them even though they might not know it yet. We can't let them miss the boat
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 12:37 PM
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Women pick, not men so I pick Liam Hemsworth. When can I expect him at my door?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 12:30 PM
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That they should from an early age live their life towards it's one and only goal, children. Be aware that liberalism and consumerism are evil ideologies that aim to distract them from what they really need. If young boys are too weak to realize that, it should be us -older generation, the parents- who put them on the right path, even though they don't know it's right yet, they will. They will thank us when they're older and see a sad childless man on the bench
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 12:27 PM
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so chiming in when all the work in done is not being a good father? How did that affect your life and relationship with him? u/Aaren_Augustine might be interested in that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 12:19 PM
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some men do not want any children at all no, all men want kids, It's just they were poisoned by liberalism and they don't know what's good for them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 12:12 PM
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Like potatoes lying in the ground? Educate them to lead their lives towards a family, not let themselves be led astray by the false promises propagated by media. Propose to whoever they date at 25 and not think about it too much, it's all for their good
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 12:08 PM
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Right, Egalitarian for Dad has to act like Mom right, the conclusion being it's bad if it's you who has to do the work but it's ok if it's her? Tell me are you surprised that 1/3 or millenials don't want kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 12:02 PM
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so should we educate them young?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 11:50 AM
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Women can have a kid if they really want to . I'm concerned about men here
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 11:41 AM
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this is a stat from my country on how many % want children. Among the childless 35-39 age bracket 47% men want children (vs 28% of women)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 11:33 AM
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rather than a huge increase in the number of totally childless women no, the number of people without kids is rising also, for those born in 1960-64 it's 26% of men and 19% of women link
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:57 AM
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> testosterone filled activities those are not mutually exclusive but how many men really do anything else than commute and type on an everyday basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:43 AM
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this paper explains it nicely. intellectually gifted and mentally challenged boys having lower salivary testosterone levels than their peers characterized by average intelligence So in men/boys testosterone correlates with intelligence on an inverted-U shaped curve. Idiots and geniuses have low testosterone. If you look at it from a 'common sense' perspective it's logical, hormones serve our lizard brain, if you free your brain of its primal jerk reflexes then its real capacity can shine through
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:18 AM
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those are the reasons of childfree on reddit. Pretty varied, nothing about a career
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:32 AM
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Just FYI with testosterone (like with most things in human biology) it's not 'the more the better'. Too much testosterone decreases intelligence. Humans now don't need to fend off lions, but we need IT infrastructure. If testosterone is in fact decreasing we can't rule out it's evolution
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:09 AM
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high testosterone makes men less likely to settle down, not that settling down lowers men's testosterone not only, male testosterone drops from before having baby to after baby. Which is now evolutionary beneficial. The baby needs a caregiver, not a mammoth hunter
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:02 AM
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as women value resources and personality in addition to looks also, if there are more attractive women then men*, then statistically some of the hot women will "have to" date down looks-wise *for whatever reason, that seems to be the case, maybe women care about themselves more, maybe it's just makeup, maybe it's evolution
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 08:55 AM
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yeah, I got so used to this but I snapped when I discovered the series Love. In the series she is fucking him and he is also fucking her. Another couple is this
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 08:42 AM
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If only men were so concerned about their own childlessness. In the US 26% of men born in 1960-1964 don't have children. Women who suddenly want a kid can have one with relatively moderate effort (IVF, single parent adoption is way more popular among women). A man who suddenly wants kids has to pay for a surrogate (unless he's Goerge Clooney and he can get a girlfriend at 50)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 08:22 AM
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it's a well documented thing , caregiver exhaustion (or something like that). The idea is that people mostly can only get 'duped' into a care-giving position once and then they draw conclusions. Parents go through the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 08:10 AM
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There have been studies on it and it's men who express more remorse and depression at not having children in the old age (of course there will be a correlation here, women who REALLY wanted kids had one quite easily, but men who REALLY wanted kids couldn't have one without 'help')
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 07:57 AM
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so: yes, yes, no (I don't like women like this either , nor do I wear any makeup myself) , 50/50, no (but that is not a zero-sum game, we can both be not wimps), physical weakness - no, unaggressive yes, unassertive - no. yes=I would get into a relationship no=I wouldn't
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 10:13 PM
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yes, and this influences divorce rates
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 07:55 PM
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nothing, we had instinct like animals (I'm not 100% behind this theory, just reporting on the reading)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 03:50 PM
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healthier hourglass figure is it healthier to have bigger breasts? I understand those connections: bigger hip width=less death; less abdominal fat=less death, but what does breast size influence or correlate with? EDIT: It might be a coincidence (evolution is not as smart as we like to believe) maybe the gene that makes hips grow simply also makes breasts grow (so it became desirable by association) EDIT 2: but then why are there cultures who don't care about breasts?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 10:58 AM
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Do blue eyes show the limbal rings better, and do limbal rings indicate (and therefore elicit) attraction? Idk, but blue eyes are supposedly a mutation no older than 10.000 years, so if we prefer them it's not enough time to be because of evolutionary advantage (10.000 is a blip)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 10:08 AM
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lol, looking at advertisements of the olden days is the best proof that human intelligence is rising. This is insulting. Nowadays at least marketers have to bother with subliminal messaging and stuff. Not just "buy this if you're cool"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 10:03 AM
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I'm not going to argue as I didn't research this, but a quick google search says there is no correlation with size and milk supply. Breast sizes differ mostly due to fat (and being overweight can actually stunt lactation)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 09:57 AM
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yeah, that was the gist of the thesis. That bodies weren't originally sexual for humans, only after we covered them they became fetishes. We now can't fathom it's not nature that you get a tingly feeling seeing some naked flesh, it's nurture.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 08:36 AM
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the real question for the men is: Why would this woman want you then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 08:06 AM
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evo-psych (e.g., large firm breasts are true/unfakeable indicators of youth/fertility) I read somewhere that boobs are essentially just a western world fetish (non existent in other cultures). I remember some video with African people laughing upon learning that because they though 'white men are like babies they like milk'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 07:57 AM
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I need to go outside to make money and buy food. I don't need a bf the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 07:45 AM
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It's not all on the woman that a couple didn't divorce. Female virgins marry male virgins, it's not her virginity that will for example make her husband not cheat. Had she married a man with 20 exes he would still cheat and they would get divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 07:31 AM
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If it's so easy instead of writing two comments you (or the OP should have just given examples). I only hear the "feminine woman" in respect to looks and appearances (and I don't think OP wants to know if we like boobs on a man in a nice floral dress sitting with legs crossed)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 07:12 AM
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why in the world you would want a woman with a bunch of sexual partners? who do you think female virgins are married to? (as opposed to women with a bunch of sexual partners). There are two people in a marriage. Those charts are aimed to insinuate causation with women only, when in fact it doesn't have to come from women alone, it doesn't even have to be a causation. It's a certain type of person who has a lot of partners (extroverted, attractive, impulsive) and it's a certain type of person who…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 07:03 AM
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Women that are virgins until marriage are much less likely to divorc because they married men who were also virgins (and both come from a certain background, eg religious who can;t divorce no matter what). Those are correlations.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 06:56 AM
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It is a fact that less experienced women divorce less. there's a butt-load of correlations here. First, female virgins don't marry men with 10 exes either (there are 2 people in a marriage). They are BOTH a certain type of person, maybe less extroverted, maybe shyer, maybe less attractive (less chances=less cheating), more religious, maybe more educated. Those are all correlations, not causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 06:49 AM
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I'm from Eastern Europe and too old to be on the internet, I'm not sure what Tumblr is for, I know gifs are form there and that being accused on being on Tumblr in bad
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 06:05 AM
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deciding on stuff for US. Idk, I'm not actually sure, the question assumed we all know what this entails
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 05:58 AM
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No, that's an argument in the future, she will remember this and throw it in your face next possible occasion
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 08:59 PM
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that's not leading anything
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 08:50 PM
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my experience from older couples in my family is that men phase themselves out of their children's and family life. So the need for them to 'take charge' is not a call for a macho-man, it's a call for the potato to get off the couch and hold up their end of the family they started
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 08:48 PM
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examples would be nice, it's not like anyone's gonna now google divorce complaints
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 08:31 PM
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give me some examples of ' subtly leading them '?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 08:29 PM
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I wouldn't, I'm not an "us" kind of person in a relationship, more a 'you and me'. I don't want to be joined at the hip with my partner
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 08:28 PM
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attraction is much more complicated not necessarily complicated, but maybe shadowed by the fact that it's dangerous to just say yes to strangers. Most women who are killed are killed by their intimate partners. You go on one date with and end up with a psycho following you. No thanks. It's not worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 05:04 PM
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For me the 'grow over time' thing doesn't apply to being chatted up/picked up (I despise that, just as women might have less understanding of what rejection is, the same way men might have less understanding of how annoying being picked up might be, just trying to go about your day). The 'growing with time' applies to friends/colleagues/people I see on a regular basis. And it doesn't happen if they've already expressed interest too soon thus pushing me into a yes/no mode. I have to develop some …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:15 PM
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Because men have a higher sex drive than women (?) or more women prefer masturbation (supposedly 40%, according to my low effort google search)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:40 PM
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rattiest and least attractive of women can get a man - see Amy Schumer ha, she's the picture of average so is her husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:35 PM
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the dictionary definition doesn't help much (having the characteristics of a woman). This question is impossible to answer. Even if you want to go by stereotypes, there are a couple inconsistent women stereotypes (caring/manipulative; amenable/revengeful; crazy bipolar bitch/boring potato with no hobby, and so on :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:06 PM
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women rarely imitate that for their sake. For a man the most instinctive act of pleasure he involves himself in as a boy is what penetrative sex will be for him in a couple of years. For a woman the first instinct to seek pleasure is fingering. If I had a choice between being in a relationship with only penetrative sex and being single I wouldn't bother with the relationship stuff. Too little payoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:13 AM
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Would you be in a relationship with a woman who only did that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 10:10 AM
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just like men get pleasure form balls play, how many of you masturbate by stimulating your balls? This is not what we'd always bother doing for our sake. Women masturbate for 15 years before some bother buying a vibrator, and still they don't necessarily use it to imitate penis thrusts, only to add pressure or to stimulate the clit. Penetration is a side dish
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 09:23 AM
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that's a responsibly put on the man you're now confusing two separate things. Women's equivalent of the penis is 5 centimeters away from where' all the action is taking place. The penetration is FOR you (for the men). That's why the oral/fingering is for her. Imagine if what society considered proper sex involved only stimulating your balls, not your penis. That's what penetrative sex is for women. It's nice, but it's essentially not necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 08:51 AM
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It's only in your head that having something inside (as opposed to having your bits inside someone else) is passive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 08:30 AM
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discussing other people's problems isn't sexual strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 06:29 AM
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are you buff and tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 06:17 AM
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that's not all it's build on is it? Otherwise why is every other post there about feeeemales
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 06:14 AM
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did you have sex with a lot of men? Or you speaking from porn? > put her up there jesus, no
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 08:42 PM
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when they can operate scissors
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 07:30 PM
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If his kids are of larva age he has to make something and pretend it's from them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 07:11 PM
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Asking for verbal consent is a result of rapists trying to make idiotic defenses in court, like "She was lying there drunk, she didn't run away when I touched her breast, so naturally, I got my dick out, It's only logical" . Unfortunately some people though "Boy's got a point", hence we have the new rules
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 07:05 PM
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nothing less sexy then asking woman if she wants to have sex talking is sexy, personally I love those tiny whispered exchanges, like eg. 'is that nice?', 'do you like when I do this?' etc. I'm getting horny writing it:) But anyway I find this pretending you don't know if the person wants to have sex a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 06:30 PM
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active/penetrating passive/receiving partner you connected those pairs without any logical explanation. If the woman is on top, or she is the moving partner in any position then she is the 'active' partner (or one of the two active partners). The penetrating has nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 06:02 PM
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ok crazy pants
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 04:11 PM
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There's nothing you can say there isn't a solution what's the solution to you being just a boy who doesn't even have enough power to install a new stop sign in your town, but who is fantasizing of being the king of the USA in his room?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 04:03 PM
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that doesn't have benefits you arbitrarily assigned different values to those surgeries. It's totally subjective. The human body is a gift from God pass at this part I'm arguing on a moral basis Then I don't think it's much different from giving a flat chested girl a sensible cup because she was depressed all her life about it and it's stopping her form looking for love
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 03:45 PM
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nowhere near as functional as your original organs same can be said for breast surgery where nipples need to be reattached (sensitivity, breastfeeding), yet people sign up for it voluntarily and doctors do it capacity to have your own kids again, if it's legal for others, this point is moot Male sterilization I understand more than female because 1) ... It's not like the woman seeking sterilization cares that the man has a different surgery. It's like telling a man seeking a nose job that they c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 03:24 PM
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The stupid and poor don't get married of they love marriage, they have nothing else to do in life from the rich the problem with heavy taxing the rich, is that they have to much connections and knowledge to pay them (tax havens)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 03:08 PM
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I meant the stupid, the poor and the 1st/2nd/3rd generations of immigrants
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 03:01 PM
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you're going to essentially pay people for reproduction, WHO do you think usually takes advantage of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:56 PM
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wall soon to prevent Mexicans getting in. without Mexicans you'll have birth rates lower than Japan an invisible wall that cannot be penetrated get on that then
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:51 PM
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Mexicans can get it, Americans can get out. I'd love to have me some American neighbors
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:40 PM
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you'll be taxing parents of only children and people without children. That's half the country. 1/3 of citizens flee, 1/3 or labor force will be employed in management, not producing or developing anything. You turned US into a 3rd world country. I'm sure the ceremony of your beheading will be beautiful Fertility declines rapidly after 35 16% of children in my country are born to women over 35
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:33 PM
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people even manage to escape Korea. Anyway, you'd be losing more money on policing than this population would be generating through labor. And you would have no means of making people with one kid to have another. If you tax them, they'll not be able to afford even this kid. If you incarcerate them you'll have to put millions of kids in orphanages
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:01 PM
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we shouldn't be treating it with surgery. other thing is, you're not necessarily losing any function through such surgery (compared to limbs). You still have orgasm, you can store your gametes and reproduce (but this shouldn't even be an argument here anyway if your country allows sterilization in general). It's more a plastic surgery than amputation
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:54 PM
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walk to Canada, get refugee documents, stay or fly to Europe/Australia. My country would welcome immigrants from a first world county with open hands. (especially white)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:45 PM
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we medicate them and treat them therapeutically good point, but that doesn't prove transsexualism doesn't exist as a valid neurological (not psychological) mishap in fetal development Gay animals are also mistakes in the biological system you changed your argument, biological mistakes is not psychological trauma. Homosexualism may be called a 'mistake' the same way being an introvert or left-handedness. There is a scale between 'anomaly' to 'disease'
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:40 PM
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I don't care what happens to them beyond them paying they emigrate to Europe, and you can reproduce with trees
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:30 PM
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no reason for a childless woman not to be working and paying the 50% tax she can't be divorced, someone has to pay. Why would she give a fuck about reasons? Out of the goodness of her heart?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:25 PM
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those who don't wish, their husbands would pay (double , for themselves and for the wife). They wouldn't be able to divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:15 PM
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Jedi mind trick
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 11:56 AM
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If the government tried to force me to have children I’d probably kill myself just come chill in Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 11:54 AM
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have you already raised your 2.1?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 11:51 AM
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If women don't want to have children nobody is forcing them, but they will have to pay a heavy childless tax of 40-50% you mean their husbands, they wouldn't work
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 11:50 AM
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I think so many men look good well into their 40s and early 50s on tv.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 11:36 AM
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I don't think men respect women solely for being women I don't think the verb 'respect' is even used correctly here. People generally don't give a fuck about the rest of the 7 billion of us. Cambridge dictionary defines respect as ADMIRATION felt or shown for someone or something that you believe has good ideas or qualities The fact that you coexist with people is not 'respect'
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 11:31 AM
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men fuck women, and women take it Sorry but this argument based on linguistics is very detached. Firs of all, women say 'I fuck him'. Second, your argument might not even exist in different languages. You're more familiar with the form 'I fuck her' because men use such language more. The verb 'fucking' doesn't denote "direction". (case in point: gay people fuck other gay people)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 11:22 AM
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Very few fat women *people
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 11:06 AM
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Trans people are mentally ill and need therapy and medication there are physical examples of mistakes in gender expression (hermaphroditism). No one denies it, as it's visible. Why is it not possible then that similar mistakes happen in the brain development? Most gay people suffered from some sort of trauma that pushed them towards homosexuality Are gay animals traumatized too?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 11:02 AM
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If his merit as a parent was having the cash, then this is what he will remain after divorce. Nothing will change for the kid. Maybe think before divorce what kind of bond you have with your kid
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 05:47 AM
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Women do have to have the fathers permission to be able to put the child up for adoption This is the root of why you're getting it wrong. It's the child's right to have a normal home and the father's right to raise his child. Laws are built around the child's interest
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 05:33 AM
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or you get japan. Birth rate in US is not that much better than Japan (1.84 vs 1.46) and remember that this 1.84 is with the help of immigrants. Had US had the same immigration policy as Japan the birth rate might be even lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:10 PM
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spending 1 hour a week more on total "household sustainig" activities than women. It's not in th etext, what is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 08:15 PM
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and this someone pays child support, no? (He isn't paying alimony because she didn't wash his underpants for 7 years)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 07:58 PM
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the backup I don;t understand (I'm not a native English speaker). Could you rephrase if you care for me to answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 07:38 PM
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why are you comparing it to a paid profession? Kids are quite awesome if you have a necessary set of predispositions, upbringing, and training Then you can have 5, this is the extent of what your opinion of kids can influence - only you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 07:37 PM
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men who spent their time, money, and effort to help the young mothers with their burdens only man who decided to help her voluntarily? It's his kid. He's not "helping" anyone. The woman worked for board doing his half of house/child-work
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 07:29 PM
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> Parental laws are gynocentrism child-centrism
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 07:23 PM
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The truth is people are not that crazy about kids, and the higher value they used to have came mostly from the fact that they were extra hands for work. Kids are tiring and dirty. Have you not ever seen a couple with multiple kids looking like zombies? Nearly 1 in five Americans don't have kids at all, 1/3 of the 30 year old generation don't want them. I find this pretend game of 'Why would anyone not want to have 4 kids and spend 24/7 with them" naive or dishonest
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 07:14 PM
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Parental laws of every country don't share your opinion, a man's choice not to have kids ends with prevention
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 06:53 PM
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more clearly this is clear, telling people what pattern of behavior It refers to would be counterproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 04:36 PM
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to correct for the bias. There is no point asking them "Is this theory you have right or wrong?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 02:56 PM
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so C ?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 02:54 PM
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it's an analogy for one redpill theory, I want to see if it translates into a general rule for them, or if it was formed by a bias
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 02:52 PM
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then I CHOOSE to fuck Liam Hemsworth. Oh wait, that's not how it works, he has to choose me too
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 01:31 PM
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that was a thought experiment, a parent is at fault for not being a parent, no matter what his/her relation to the other parent is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:46 AM
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You can spread yourself as thin as you wish, your responsibilities towards any conceived kids are not changeable due to your dating choices
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 10:03 PM
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ah, yiiis, nagging for sex, the aphrodisiac
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 09:20 PM
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I know such nagging women too, but I also know men, eg. my father. First of all he was a hypochondriac, as a child I was scared to cough because he would yell at me for not doing anything about my "sickness". Second he was a penny-pincher so when he heard the water running in the tub he would be at the door in a second telling me that's enough( the moment I turned it on). Whenever I was getting ready to go out of the house for whatever reason he'd ask me if I peed "for the road" and if I had my …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 09:07 PM
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you definitely have a type, it's called a 'spanish telenovela' kind of guy:)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 08:39 PM
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I'm not from the US, you might have to put some more data on this sentence for me to be able to address it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 07:34 PM
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if I write the sentence with Father as the subject a man that is a father has responsibilities directly due to being the child's father, not through being the mother's partner. The blaming women for men leaving children/being bad fathers comes exactly from this false premise that the father is there as the woman's partner (/ex partner) and that somehow this relationship or any changes in this relationship influence what he should be for his child.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 07:30 PM
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Andrew VanwynGarden yup, that's booze face he has now
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:46 PM
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The nuance of sex isn't so hard to grasp it's a pretend game of rapists and they know it. If I was in bed with a person who is not kissing me back, not hugging me back this is the moment I'd direct my gaze to their eyes to see if they didn't die by any chance. That's what people who are not rapists do
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:41 PM
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Jake Gyllenhaal 10 years ago, he didn't age bad exactly, but he looks too old for his age now
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:18 PM
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you are responsible for the childs quality of life yes, you are not responsible for the other parent not parenting. A paren't responsibility is towards the child directly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 04:42 PM
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Lets say a man wants a kid, the woman doesn't. They have an oopsie and he's the one ho can decide whether to abort or not (for some reason), he decides against abortion, even though she doesn't want a kid. So the kid is born, the woman leaves. Who is at fault of the kid not having a mother?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 04:37 PM
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Kids aren't the goal update your stats. I can share one from my country stat Men might not want oops kids when they're 20, but the aggregate it quite similar compared to women If I walk away from the relationship, you have a kid. If you walk away from the relationship, you have a kid. you pay for a kid you don't want, she has a kid she apparently grew fond of (she could abort)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 04:19 PM
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I wrote I don't know if it's 'official', only that it appears there in comments
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 03:23 PM
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Lets say a man wants a kid, the woman doesn't. They have an oopsie and he's the one ho can decide whether to abort or not (for some reason), he decides against abortion, even though she doesn't want a kid. So the kid is born, the woman leaves. Who is at fault of the kid not having a mother?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 03:01 PM
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ok, this stat says something, although some correlations might be at play here as well, like the article mentions lesbian couples commit sooner (more women than men like a wedding for the sake of it) Most women don't have a fear of losing their kids In my country most fathers don't bother apply for custody after divorce, when corrected for the number of applications, it was close to 50%. I recognize that this doesn't necessarily have to be caused by indifference towards the kids, but maybe hopel…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 01:53 PM
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assuming a marriage falling apart is the husband being at fault? it's half/half unless someone fucked up Are you assuming that a father leaving the pregnant mother who decided to keep the unwanted baby is the partner being at fault? He's at fault of his child not having a dad. It's 100% his decision
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 01:21 PM
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Statistics show that 70% to 90% of divorces are women wanting out of the for-life vow they made Who puts the paperwork in progress tells you nothing about who fucked up. In cases of when one spouse is an alcoholic who do you think files? The drunk? Or the person bothered by the drunk? Do you know any abusers who seek divorce, or do the victims seek divorce? Do the cheaters bother to fill out the tiny boxes? Or the cheated spouse? bad choices regarding the men they allow to impregnate hence I wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 01:03 PM
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Those: father abandons child, marriage fell apart, father's an alcoholic are not "female issues".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 12:23 PM
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circular logic, you just repeated the premise of the theory I asked about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 12:18 PM
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child support for it's not to assign blame, it's because the kid doesn't eat air
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 12:15 PM
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based on their needs for their offspring, the offspring is just as much the fathers, does he not choose a mother for them? Theory lists women as the choosers I understand this is their theory, I don't see any justification for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 12:09 PM
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yeah, he looks like a potato now:)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 07:57 AM
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if men are bothered by divorce, they should have married less divorce-y women. If they chose to marry a divorce-y woman their right to be bothered disappears, right? (see this cop out works both ways)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:57 AM
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Women are the owner of the uteruses, therefore have control over whether or not babies are born women don't decide that in a vacuum, if their hubby turns out to be a lazy father, women won't decide to have another child.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:41 AM
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in my country at-fault divorces are 6 times more due to the husband's fault
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 10:27 PM
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However society today seems to have diminished the role of dad If a father leaves his child it's not because he feels his "role is being diminished by society", it's because he's shit. Some men are shit dads because they choose to . Why is everyone to blame only not the person who is actually supposed to do the work?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 09:41 PM
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your initial go to response was to dump the responsibility for your marriage on your spouse. So I'll stick to my theory
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 09:19 PM
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Kids then grow up with overbearing parents while hardly knowing them you're dramatizing a bit. In my country 50% of families have 1 child, usually both parents work and that doesn't result in fragile kids who "hardly know" their parents (the 9 hours daily really doesn't make the kid forget you exist). If anything I'd say the fragile 'millennial' thing could be caused by the opposite, by having a parent who has 24h a day to orchestrate your activities, and do chores normally the kid should be doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 09:15 PM
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Do you think people have kids to look at them spit themselves 24/7? People have kids because because: condom broke fear of old solitude in old age social convention peer pressure family pressure some skewed notion of "my genes are superior" someone to love long term goal to show someone the world and many more... in my country we have forever had kindergartens and creches and old people to 'tie the kids over' to school age. I don't know any woman who didn't go back to work after the maternity le…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:37 PM
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47% of the labor force in the US are women (44.9% in my country). I swear every single person on this sub assumes people with kids don't go to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:16 PM
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this stat doesn't control for income specifically, but education can be indicative of it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:12 PM
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thus I said it's a general trend while you wanted to dump it on women. If anything it can be dumped on first time fathers who don't take care of their first (testing) child so women don't want to have another (my country does extensive studies on birth rates (as we have one of 1.3) and 50 % of families only have 1 child, men want more, women say no due to uneven burden).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:10 PM
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actually found something, it's still grim. Best age range is 30-34
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 06:48 PM
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link?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 06:40 PM
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women don't want to marry and have kids young either. There is no pull for that in the general society. That was my point. It's a life that is shit for both parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 06:33 PM
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If you spend your time on occupation and education then you have little time left over for reproduction say that to men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 06:13 PM
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found one with men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 06:06 PM
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Wealth and the woman's education level. why women's alone? It boggles me how this trend is only interpreted by looking at half the people affected by it. Do men strive to have many kids young while women deny them the dream?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:40 PM
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it's mostly women filing for divorce, so it's YOU who has to beat statistics and not be a shit husband
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:20 PM
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the difference between the two is whether I am sleeping with you or someone else:)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 04:11 PM
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marries young. remains married. those combined are statistically unlikely. Divorce rates for people married under 25 are grim
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 04:09 PM
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rightly so, humans suck at reproduction, the damage is extensive and it's for life
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 03:57 PM
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that's how it works in all people, men or women. Do you think the 'something's wrong with me' feeling is reserved for guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 03:55 PM
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we had a misunderstanding, I didn't mean he'd be REJECTED by women because of his doubt-fueled weirdness, just that he himself would become withdrawn
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 03:47 PM
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so take that issue up with yourself. All I wrote is that doubt is a vicious circle
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 03:41 PM
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cool dude, but I said nothing about displaying
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 03:34 PM
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It would be redundant, since children are young by definition no, 'children' denotes relationship, you can be a 30 yo child of your parents > are unhappier than women 70 or so years ago, for which I believe there is some supporting evidence. if you're able to point out correlations in this gallup study, then imagine comparing this variable based on a study form 40 years ago. It's meaningless. You believe it because you want to
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 01:14 PM
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Oh, that reminds me, Australia is not obsolete to me after all because I like communitychannel!:)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 01:03 PM
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if we accept the child Jesus, was it 1800 then? I don't think there would be a choice, and you'd be paying child support want it or not. Was it Italy by any chance? I know they had a similarly "genius" campaign 2 years ago 'fertility day' or something like that, where they were addressing people like idiots
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 01:00 PM
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It specifies the age in the next paragraph Stay-at-home moms" are defined as women who are not currently employed and have a child younger than 18 at home Moreover, that may be a price worth paying to be present with one's child this is irrelevant for the point of my post, that calls the redpill on the claim that SAHMs are HAPPIER Also, these quotes appear to refer mainly to SAHMs in the low-income category no, there is a separate chart for low income, the first chart is for average but I agree …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 12:01 PM
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I want an example to address (while you just invoked some memory of some posts you read on redpill like I should be able to read your mind).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 11:42 AM
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there are 3.5 billion men on this planet. You are putting forward a claim based on nothing that those 3.5 billion people don't have the neurological capacity to feel a certain emotion. You better offer me some study instead of just repeating the same sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 11:30 AM
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you used a lot of words but conveyed no merit I look at TRP and see the expense it has on women. It's pretty damn crystal clear. And if you can't see how feminism has led to some pretty damn crystal clear consequence for men...the apathy of this is...amazing. what is this sentence saying? I didn't ask about what emotions you experience while reading redpill. I asked for examples That's equal right? Equal consideration for men and women? yes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 11:18 AM
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no
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 11:13 AM
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no, those sentences Non-employed women with young children at home are more likely than women with young children at home who are employed for pay to report experiencing sadness and anger a lot of the day "yesterday." Stay-at-home moms also lag behind employed moms in terms of their daily positive emotions: They are less likely to say they smiled or laughed a lot, learned something interesting, and experienced enjoyment and happiness "yesterday." point to the question being phrased not as you th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 10:44 AM
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at the expense of men can give me examples? I think this is an illusion of perception because it used to be that women were socialized to be taken advantage of, and now they put a stop to this at 50% and from men's perspective it looks like something was taken away. Like if you give 1 candy to one kid, and 2 candies to the second kid and then take it away, the kid will have an illusion of loss (and throw a tantrum)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 10:28 AM
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Only Eastern Europe started getting higher fertility rates recently where? , in Poland it's still 1.35 (so lower than Germany). A couple of years ago it was 1.29 so I guess it's "higher" but it's still lower than almost every country
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 10:16 AM
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no, feminism is about that women want of life, redpill is about what men want of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 10:05 AM
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In my country 44.94% of the workforce are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 09:34 AM
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If I never had a sex partner again, it would not change my life drastically. It's better with a loved person, but the shower nozzle ain't bad either;) No woman would die if the whole male race became 'doll-sexual' overnight
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 09:19 AM
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how would you react to this "Should we take away black people's rights? Slavery will sure pick up the economy. I saw a video saying we should"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 09:04 AM
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because of reproduction all those boys hanging around me from junior high through uni just craved a baby? They would simply not hire women anymore today I learned my company hired me because it wants me to get pregnant. 2 of my first bosses were women. In my country 43% of managers are women. EU average is 35% Most of the world is obsolete to most of the world, you only matter to your parents and like 20 friends/family members. No matter what work you do you're replaceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 09:02 AM
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Do you know a lot of men who plan to propose at 22 and have kids young? What you described is not a trend that touched half of the population of 1st world countries, It's a general trend for PEOPLE
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 08:46 AM
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Do you think that taking womens rights away would help that? I just watched a video saying that we need to take their rights away so they would get married at 15 and give birth early ? not sure if you're slow or 11, but if let's say US somehow did that. Women and families and sane people would move to Europe and all that would be left was incels. How is that for helping reproduction? And who is 'we'? The government is made of women too
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 08:41 AM
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but im afaraid they will make women obsolete. this is such a none sentence. It has no meaning. To me the whole continent of Australia is obsolete (I don't know anyone there nor do I import any products from there ) So what? Should they care? Can I nuke them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 08:32 AM
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I expect fertility rates will recover with artificial gestation me too. But not necessarily with artificial gametes. Couples can still use theirs, just the burden would be so much lower. People don't realize how much the fact of not wanting to be pregnant once, let alone twice is a factor in family planning for people in cities. I wonder why rich first world countries struggling with low birth rates are not popularizing surrogacy for that reason (Germany even has it illegal).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 08:29 AM
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It's not a trend separate for men and women. PEOPLE generally have other things to do now than raise 3+ kids. We could just as well say men got too much rights, spending on travels instead of marrying at 20 and raising kids. It's not a choice men had 100 years ago. Children use to be more profitable (they worked). In industrial societies not only can they not do anything to add value but also it takes way longer and way more resources to make them be able to make money as adults (because we now …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 08:18 AM
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There a number of reasons a guy could be a virgin past 20/30 also there's the reason of self perpetuating doubt . You happened not to have sex before 25 and then you're scared why, and you become weird about it. The more you think the more you're scared. But it's possible nothing was wrong with you in the first place, just circumstances (for example acne killed you self esteem, or preoccupation with a sick family member or death, or parent's divorce)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:44 AM
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those are immediate 'nope out' moments for me, not flags:)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:31 AM
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No, I'd welcome that (no std yay!). That's assuming everything was going great before he sprung that news, ie. I'm attracted to him physically and we're having a nice time with each other. It's better than having more than let's say 5 past partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:18 AM
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Statistics say yes no, statistics are made of two parent household who didn't divorce because they have a good relationship. Women are rarely abusive towards the kid yes, 95%; of perpetrators of domestic abuse in my country are men, 91% of victims are women and children, 3 women a week are killed by partners school shootings if one-parent households cause school shootings they would exist outside of the US, hmmm... there must be something else US is fucking up on rates of depression are caused b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:56 PM
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maybe it's that 100% of low intelligence people have low impulse control, but not all people with low impulse control have low inteligence
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:42 PM
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So living with two shits is better than one? are usually also pieces of shit. So they deserve each other statistically women are rarely abusive towards the kid, We destroyed a thousand years of tradition this tradition was based on shaming, brainwashing and threatening with hell. We can do better, we ARE doing better, but some places/social strata were left behind
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:26 PM
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I'm not from the US
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:10 PM
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they'll have to select the men that are consistent with that temperament. women are not clairvoyant, living together before marriage gives a bit of insight, but nothing lets you see what the dynamic will be with a dependent. For example my friend's husband rented a second studio when his child was born, to carry on his hobby. Do you think she could have possibly foreseen that? Of course she doesn't want any more kids knowing what she knows now but it's done, she's stuck Women make bonds easier a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:09 PM
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does he have a bastard child?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:52 PM
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Solution to make it harder for her mother to divorce? Instead they can all live in a toxic at best, abusive at worst home (as you said shitty)? The generation of the mothers is a closed case, you need to find a path to influence the kids at 10, 15. And they don't care about "creating a two parents household for their future baby that they don't plan".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:45 PM
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not familiar with any of that, can't tell
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:36 PM
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Nice try at a cop out. Holding the other end is not just childcare, it's house work (you know, manual labor, so if I was to use your logic men should be the only ones doing it). Humans are not predisposed to a shitload of things the world demands of us now, even on a bone structure level. We manage.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:23 PM
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you don't understand. How do you suppose this fact helps a bunch of 14 year olds who are starting dating and will be pregnant in 5 years? They need motivation to not get pregnant and throw their lives away in the first place. Not advice to look for a hubby
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:08 PM
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so how does this info help break the cycle of single unemployed mothers?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:31 PM
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Feminism made the mistake of preaching for the dismantling of all traditional structures Ok, not women in general. But isn't the gist of what you wrote that women stopped doing all the work at home/kids and instead entered social/occupational lives? So someone had to catch that other end. But the men didn't jump to catch it, so the construction crumbled
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:23 PM
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I agree 100% it's not consent, but it's irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:12 PM
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Have you taken a look at the college graduatation rate? yes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:06 PM
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little praise afforded to good fathers here. why should a man be praised for raising his children? This is my issue, the bar is so low after previous generations, society is still demanding so little of fathers, while simultaneously blaming the mother for not closing the gap Those are from my country: We had a study that fathers (who live with their kids) speak with their kids 15 minutes a week 80% of fathers abandon their family when they have a disabled child Yet voices that "women destroyed f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:00 PM
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Doing worse in school is bad but doesn't mean your automatically less successful but there were. They were followed for 30 years after this study
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:43 PM
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bears 100% of the responsibility I don't agree, analogy: if you and your friend sow marijuana seeds, would you think it would be a good line of defense to say "but my friend promised it was just for fun and that he will cut them down"? I think not. The work was done, and the fact that someone might have corrected it doesn't free you of responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:39 PM
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my thoughts exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:29 PM
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> I will blame a woman who has a one night stand or a fling with a man and gets pregnant then gets mad when the man leaves. He never showed commitment I said nothing about blame, It's irrelevant, the courts rule in the favor of the child so child support will be ordered anyway >That isn't stupidity. Thats poor decision making. Do you know the experiment with kids and marshmallows? Kids with poor impulse control did worse at school later in life and were less successful But let's just agree we un…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:27 PM
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sure, but it's a small percentage there were an estimated 18,078 domestic newborn, non-relative adoptions. number of abortions in 2014- 652,639 That's 2.7%
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:54 PM
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They thought they could escape the issue without it and this is a sign of stupidity. And that was my claim, that they're stupid, not forgetful So only men are responsible for single parent hood? I didn't write that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:34 PM
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but why should you get an F for not being responsible for the end result? courts rule in the favor of the child. Child support will not disappear in this century. And the man is responsible for the end result, the fact he didn't have this one extra exit doesn't nullify the act She could as easily put it up for adoption. if she didn't want the kid she'd have an abortion. No one goes through pregnancy for fun (there's a reason surrogacy costs 100grand).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:24 PM
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Parents of teens would certainly pay for it. middle class parents you'd be insane not to use it wouldn't you say that men who have unwanted kids are a bit on the insane side, getting themselves into such a massive thing because they couldn't be arsed with a condom? (women have a post hoc option -abortion- so they don't have to be so paranoid about it as men should)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:06 PM
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That's why I asked why do you assume they don't want to get pregnant? You assumed a common goal (no baby), and appointed a person to achieve it for both parties. It's like group work: one person not doing anything hoping the other person doesn't want to get an F and will do the whole thing. But the other person might not give a shit and you'll get an F (in this picturesque metaphor F is child support and an unwanted child and on a larger scale problem for society)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 02:58 PM
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So charity? no, installing a work ethic and underlying the importance of education, especially in places where women from generations do nothing else but raise kids. It's a vicious circle, if you see no future for yourself in your shit town why not have a kid at 19?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 02:44 PM
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you said they should bear the grunt of the responsibility for the prevention, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 02:41 PM
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poor impulse control is a sign of low intelligence
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 02:36 PM
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That is why women should bear the grunt of the responsibility. It is being done to their bodies and they have the final say in it all. Why the assumption they don't want the kid?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 02:33 PM
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exactly my point, but the demographic with most single parents is not smart enough to want to take it (they already don't use the methods available hoping a miracle will happen) and they're not smart enough to question if the woman is taking preventive measures
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 02:22 PM
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it offends you more?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:35 PM
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the point of this discussion was to show that SAHMs are not happier as redpill likes to repeat. I admit that having a study showing they are actually less happy than average does not prove causation, but it proves staying at home is not raising happiness. Money can't buy happiness it can up to a point of meeting your needs, after that point it still raises happiness but only a little
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:27 PM
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I think you meant to post that under " That bitch is staying in the fucking kitchen! "
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:16 PM
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women's career successes are celebrated in the same way male are. Why should they not be? To make those who didn't succeed or even try feel better? Do you have a problem with men being put on pedestal for success? Didn't your parents point out examples they'd like for you to follow? Who were those examples? Men with many kids? No. It's not a gender thing, professional success is simply hard and it gives you a good life, hence society admires that. Cheering people for having kids is a fake constr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 11:40 AM
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no one's interested in you, I get it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 09:21 AM
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large doesn't mean accurate. Which political poll would you rather believe: a poll done on 1000 people by dialing random numbers, or a poll done on 50.000 people leaving the Church on a Sunday? I see what you mean tho, that they are the people who make up the depressed group. I doubt though that people who feel their choice is superior would feel depressed about it tho(maybe angry). But there may be a thousand of other correlations here, first of all money. Less money=sad. Second, they might hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:26 AM
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with a survey on Britain’s largest women’s website Netmums. Do you know what a skewed sample is? It's like polling redpill on whether women suck. I can tell you the results now
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:48 AM
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honey, how about you get a girlfriend first, and worry about details then
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:36 AM
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have you not been in a serious relationship at some point in your 20's?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:27 AM
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thanks for making my point, a study comparing a variable across 50 years (especially a social, self reported variable) I'm surprised it's seen the light of day. The basic thing you can (should) do eliminate correlations is to compare samples living in the same reality, which also doesn't eliminate correlations as it might be that less educated, insecure women stay at home more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:10 AM
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But I'm actually asking for alternative explainations. OP does not have one I'll gladly enumerate dozens of possible correlations, after I see the number and at least the rough demographic outline of the 2 studied samples (eg marital status of the women polled now)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:00 AM
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he costs of decadence have been the family I see it like this, women previously had to make up for the shit fathers so they carried 200% of the family's burden on their backs. Now women are only willing to hold their end, while men don't hold theirs and somehow women get bashed for it. I understand the mechanism behind this wrongful blame assignment, but it still IS wrongly assigned
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:44 AM
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multi generational houses or trusting your neighbor with a kid won't be making a comeback in this century, so lets stick to reality
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:59 PM
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and where is the causation?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:50 PM
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possible, also another correlation might be they are on average less educated. But anyhow, they are clearly not happier as redpill claims
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:45 PM
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you saying kids of angry and depressed parents are known to be happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:22 PM
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a career being fulfilling is different than being happier with a job. If we just look at fulfillment hardly any jobs offer that, but that is not all we get from a job. We get money, tasks, conversation, a changing environment. All this promotes mental health (in most cases)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:19 PM
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assumption is that, at some point, women want to be home taking care of kids I understand that this is the projection of some men, but redpill insinuate they took it form some study (which I doubt adheres to any scientific method, but still am curious if it even exists)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:20 PM
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Women's happiness is dropping is it though? Where are the numbers? And is it a phenomenon only observed in women? Did men's happiness not drop?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:54 PM
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self reported happiness dropping so there is an actual study with actual numbers on this? (of course there'd be millions of correlations in it) but I'd like to at least know if it exists
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:51 PM
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ok, this seems right as average age of having your first child in the US is 28, BUT this begs the question, if those late 20's men care about having a family, kids etc, why are they not already 5 years into a committed relationship at this age?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:18 PM
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so you're saying, they pulled that rhetoric out of %^&*** based on the fact that pharmaceutical sells went up?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:06 PM
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Prevalence of single moms. At what age did you experience this on such a scale that it started bothering you? This obviously isn't true for the younger crowd
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:03 PM
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I don't know where you got that from. Leagues apply to both. Doesn't mean every random a man and every random woman in the same league will ride off into the sunset.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 09:27 PM
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your comment makes me think that you don't see women as people. Not everyone is "single and ready to mingle" at all times. People have their own lives, problems, histories, better and worse days, fears. Leagues don't mean everyone looking a certain way will want you at the random time you happen pop up in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 09:03 PM
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ha, who's hypergamous now:)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:49 PM
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would you rather he took 20 women out of the dating pool thus leaving less for men like you?;)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 05:45 PM
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nice, but the % of never married people in the us is 15% for women and 18% for men. Of them let's say half lives in steady couples but doesn't want to get married out of preference. So your 'I don't need a man' bubble is way too big in your head
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 03:16 PM
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What is this got to do with what men think of themselves? punching above their weight, so they must not know they have no chance, they're hoping for the best tho (so they are hypergamous) yes, it's a skewed sample, but that didn't stop red pill form treating the 20/80 rule as a message from god. This number is from the same study
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 02:59 PM
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you are ignoring possible correlations: fatties had too low self esteem to even let themselves be with someone or though you were making fun of them
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 02:50 PM
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your theory is all nice, but tinder isn't a big thing where I live (Eastern Europe) and especially not in my circle
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 01:22 PM
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lied to about what? Eg that men's looks don't matter? This is not that much of a lie as a social remnant of a different time and both gender were brainwashed into this
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 01:11 PM
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he's been in a relationship for 14 years. Do your look at your dad and think, "tsk tsk tsk, you got no game dad, you didn't even cheat on mom". And he wasn't a millionaire when he met her
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 12:59 PM
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You want to compare the number of partners between the criminal element and a Harvard student in a steady relationship from age 19?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 12:41 PM
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It looks like you're saying a guy hoping to get someone way hotter is right to do so, but this is hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 12:33 PM
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your game is either tight enough or it isn't do you think this alone would get you dates? There are leagues, just they are not separate for looks and personality, it's a combo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 12:21 PM
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looks of a man has little to do with his attractiveness so why is red pill all about exercising?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 12:14 PM
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Found it: men message hot women 25 times more than ugly women (while women messaged hot men 10 times more than ugly men link.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 11:27 AM
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I think they were referring to the other part of the same study red pill got the 80/20 theory from. The second part of the study was not about judging attractiveness, but about actually messaging, and most men wrote to the top 5% of women, while women spread it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 11:01 AM
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hot IS subjective, but within a range, not throughout
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 10:57 AM
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I don't even know how to react to that. Hot people date hot people, do you not agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 10:39 AM
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One leagues don't exist is that part of the red pill theory?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 10:22 AM
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totally acceptable guy who is within the a girls's league according to HIM. I'm asking about whether maybe he judged wrong (as this is what I observed from my small personal sample). And maybe she also is shooting above. Those are not mutually exclusive. But because men usually initiate the process they experience the rejection and it shapes them
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:14 AM
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dating a fat feminist that thinks she has any value but this is what such a man is in in the eyes of the pretty girls he's trying to pick up. HE is the metaphorical "fat feminist" who thinks he has more value than he has. That's the self awareness issue I'm asking about. Most regular men just move this guy I wrote about was crushed every time
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:06 AM
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