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Field Reporteffreek/r/seduction10/10/21 03:23 PM
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the only remaining one seems to be sosuave. But be warned, it's more or less the same as here. Seddit isn't an exception. Maybe it was the invention of smartphone or maybe girls aren't like how they were 20 years ago (or maybe it was always just marketing from rip-off dating coaches) but enough people seem to have tested all of the negs and cold reads and puhpull lines and self amusment and demonstrating charisma and confidence and everything taught in PUA programs, and have all come to teh same…
/r/seduction24/10/21 03:56 PM
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you'll find that this 'swing' in consensus happens way more frequently than you realise. It's actually super interesting and you can see if happen all the time if you pay close attention. I've been around long enough to see super direct game being praised as the best (probably coincided with mark manson being pushed hard) on here. And then 1 month later direct game is the devil and everyone is pushing mysterymethod or whatever. You can almost take the temperature of the sub at a given time. At t…
/r/seduction24/10/21 03:48 PM
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Where are the field reports? There's a few problems as to why people don't tend to post them anymore The first problem is that lots of people on this sub nowadays seem to be against cold approach. If someone posts a field report they are just told that they are 'creepy' and stuff for approaching a stranger, or they are given a hard time for using words that are common in the community and always have been ('sets', 'opened', 'pushpull' etc etc ) The other problem is one of 'hindsight bias' that a…
/r/seduction24/10/21 01:48 PM
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I'm decent looking and match with hot girls on tinder. yes. That's how it works lol
/r/seduction23/10/21 08:59 AM
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There was a thread on askseddit recently where a guy was talking about how when he's out with his good looking friends, he becomes invisible and despite having better game, all the girls want the handsome guy. Many people all commented who related to the same thing happening to them I think it's best not to go out with guys that are way better looking/more attractive. There's no magic verbals or whatever to force attraction in a girl. It's more about just flirting and stuff with the girls who AR…
/r/seduction22/10/21 10:31 AM
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I mainly only approach in bars and stuff. Anyway, your method is fine. All methods are just a variation of what you've outlined really (say hi, chat a bit, see if there's interest, flirt, escalating, close). And that's fine and assuming you open a girl who is into you, it'll get you results If you're not her type, then it's usually fairly obvious and there's nothing you can say or do to change her mind. You see this if you watch coaches infields. They also never ever sleep with the girls who wer…
/r/seduction22/10/21 08:48 AM
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take nothing away from him though. I'm not hating. Good for him But it's annoying to hear the 'limiting belief' nonsense haaha. It like ''It's a limiting belief that it's easier to dunk if you are 7ft tall!!'' (talking to some 5' 5'' dude)
/r/seduction22/10/21 08:22 AM
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he's obviously a very good looking dude. He matches with fairly hot girls on tinder. That's the acid test lol. So of course it's gonna be very different for him vs a guy who isn't handsome That's just life
/r/seduction22/10/21 07:55 AM
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i agree with this and that most education is simply a rip-off (marketing), although the problem with your 2nd point is one of causality. You might approach and get rejected, and now there are an almost unlimited number of variables that you think might have lead to the rejection. Was it the approach angle? Was it because you went indirect and not direct? Or the other way around? Was it the lack of a neg at the open? Too many cold reads? Not enough? Weak eye contact? You could literally go on for…
/r/seduction21/10/21 12:50 PM
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negging is awful in general. ESPECIALLY when used on the open (like how 'mystery' (lol) said to do it) Imagine walking up too a super hot girl in a bar and one of the first things you say is a playful insult. She just looks at you like a social retard, calls you ugly and tells her to leave you alone and walks away lol. Even more so from certain cultures! Mystery is lucky he gamed in the US lol It doesn't make her chase your validation UNLESS you happen to be her type. Why would it. You think she…
/r/seduction21/10/21 08:18 AM
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agree. It's all out there for free on here and on youtube. you can even download books like models for free if you can use google There really are no secret techniques and stuff
/r/seduction21/10/21 08:13 AM
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be a good looking bad boy, then. That's who gets the 'baddies'
/r/seduction21/10/21 08:11 AM
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I think it's more about not making huge mistakes and from there just playing the numbers game (mistakes like never escalating etc) I've paid for all kinds of coaching and courses over the years and honestly it's all nonsense. And none of these guys actually seem 'better' than the random guy on the street (assuming the random guy on the street had the balls to cold approach) I'd read a bit of basic material (and it really only needs to be basic as i've learnt there's no lines or 'systems' to lite…
/r/seduction21/10/21 07:40 AM
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I possibly agree with you there too lol.
/r/seduction20/10/21 08:00 PM
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yeah, I mean I get what you are saying too, but maybe there's different types of 'no's' haha. I think sometimes a girl can be like 'no', but it's based on things like being shy or maybe on the fence or whatever. And you can usually tell if you're perceptive. And they just need a bit of encouragement. I HAVE seen PUA's get these girls. I think i've maybe even gotten one or two But I find at night especially, a lot of these girls are just VERY dismissive of an approach. Almost like it's tinder but…
/r/seduction20/10/21 07:49 PM
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i disagree personally. If the rejection is due too a lack of attraction then its' just a non starter. I do the same, laugh and joke and unfazed or whatever when she's clearly not interested, and it never leads to her changing her mind haha Morese, if you watch infields from the 'best', they can also never ever turn a hard 'no' into a yes. LIterally never. I've seen like a thousand infields. You just can't negotiate attraction. The girls they pull are somewhat receptive/attracted from the open. T…
/r/seduction20/10/21 07:15 PM
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I mean, are you often around women? And are you trying to flirt a bit and seeing if there's mutual interest kind of thing? You missed out that one btw. Probably the most important. Most people in this community accept that it's basically a numbers game. (meet, flirt with and hit on lots of girls and find the one who are into you. Sometimes you'll surprise yourself) There are people on here who will tell you that you can be the ugliest guy in the world, 50 and bang teen super models every day, an…
/r/seduction20/10/21 01:59 PM
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how do you know that none find you attractive though? I mean, are you often around women? And are you trying to flirt a bit and seeing if there's mutual interest kind of thing? Do you feel that you are already kind of 'maxxed' out in terms of style, fitness, sex appeal etc? I don't claim to have all the answers i'm afraid, but unless you are unusually hideous (I bet you're not) then i'd wager there are certainly some girls around you who are somewhat attracted. But lots of girls aren't gonna jus…
/r/seduction20/10/21 01:33 PM
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The answer is in your question. A 'NO girl' means the answer will always be a 'NO' with that particular girl. Same as how there's lots of girls you aren't into and would never want to sleep with. Check out Mark Mansons book models
/r/seduction20/10/21 09:29 AM
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how many girls are you approaching? If you've hit the gym and stuff and improved your fashion etc, then all that's left now is to approach lots of girls and show some intent. There's no magic methods to 'seduce' a girl who isn't into you i'm afraid so forget that. But you put the odds in your favour by hitting on many girls. That's the game.
/r/seduction20/10/21 07:51 AM
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The guy I respect is the one who has all the power in the world to sleep with as many women as he wants whenever he wants good looking celebs then! haha
/r/seduction19/10/21 08:05 PM
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touch her. Starting with safe areas like the hands and wrists and shoulder etc. Some people would say to simply go direct, too. Basically tell her you find her attractive. (lots of PUA's promote 'direct game' like that. The community is split 50/50 between direct and indirect) After making such a statement her reaction will give you a big clue as to where you stand as she's not gonna want too encourage a guy who she isn't attracted too once he's shown some intent
/r/seduction19/10/21 06:17 PM
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Good question; And it's actually the question that causes the most arguments and is even what nearly all PUA discussion boils down too I'd say it's more about screening/finding out who's into you as opposed to 'creating' attraction. A certain amount of attraction needs to exist for 'game' to be able to get you to the attraction level required Take it to the extreme. Imagine you are 65 and fat and bald. You're not rich either. You want to bang the super cute 19 year old girl at the bar. You'd hav…
/r/seduction19/10/21 04:43 PM
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John anthony is beyond awful. Playing with fire guy is slightly better I guess
/r/seduction19/10/21 02:22 PM
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basically
/r/seduction19/10/21 12:58 PM
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You can literally open 100 girls with something stupid, have 1 respond well and choose to upload that and thus say it’s good game. 100% This is why most of us who have been at this a while know that there's so much marketing around 'game' and it really isn't some magic pill. AN interesting thing is when you watch FULL, unedited infields. Whole sessions, UNCUT! These were more common back in the day before youtube purged many PUA accounts. But what was clear from watching them was that it is a ma…
/r/seduction19/10/21 12:24 PM
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You basically need to find the young ones who are into older guys. They're out there, but of course they're not the majority (most girls want guys their own age within a year or 2) Obviously physical attraction comes first (find the girls who like how you look), and in your case you also need to find the girls who aren't turned off by older guys It's a numbers game at the end of the day. Once you've found the girls who meet the above criteria, you just 'run game' (chat and flirt and esaclate) as…
/r/seduction19/10/21 10:53 AM
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thanks
/r/seduction18/10/21 10:57 PM
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thanks
/r/seduction18/10/21 10:57 PM
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yeah, if i'm honest, i'm personally here because i want a better approach to lay rate. I'm honestly not that interetsed in having a girlfriend. I kind of never have been lol. I want to be able to pick up hotter girls and I want more consistency. Having said that, i'm slowly coming to the conclusion that 'game' has a very mild, almost negligable effect on the interaction. It helps not screw it up with a girl who likes you but can't MAKE her like you (sexually) kind of thing. It's her physical att…
/r/seduction18/10/21 09:52 PM
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I've heard a number from someone who DM'd me. I can't confirm it's true and I don't think you'll believe me if I told you Lets just say Many thousands! (nice business model though. I mean, we can ALL do this. All the info is literally out there for free in books and on youtube! We can all be seddit coaches :) ) haha
/r/seduction18/10/21 09:29 PM
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probably inspired this thread lol https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/qatt09/beware_of_the_undercover_dating_coaches_that_are/
/r/seduction18/10/21 09:15 PM
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you should make it clear in all future posts that any advice you alude too is for payment only tbh
/r/seduction18/10/21 08:29 PM
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I dunno. All of his posts could be summed up as ''I've slept with over 1000 girls. You just need to learn PROPER game'; That's basically it. If someone asks what proper game is, he's in the DM's offering coachig haahha That's not really 'value' to be fair
/r/seduction18/10/21 08:14 PM
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unless one can offer free advice and not just 'Pay me for the info' then don't come to seddit. That's the rules We need to get rid of these fake ass 'coaches' who probably do'nt even get laid
/r/seduction18/10/21 08:05 PM
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sunshine man has been mentioned, Shots fired https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/qatt09/beware_of_the_undercover_dating_coaches_that_are/
/r/seduction18/10/21 07:42 PM
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I've seen some ridiculous claims on here today haha I think unless someone has infields, everything they say should be taken with a pinch of saltt. Literally everyone is a 'dating coach' nowadays and the competition is fierce. Lying about your laycount is the very first move lol
/r/seduction18/10/21 06:52 PM
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looks and/or money and/or status The rules never change Game can help seal the deal, but doesn't make the girl want to have sex (that's mainly your looks, tbh. And with older women, more about money/status)
/r/seduction18/10/21 03:32 PM
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best to only listen to people with infield footage The fact people (or 1 person with many accounts?) downvoted that it worrying lol. It's very good advice. The alternative is just taking peoples word for it! Madness
/r/seduction18/10/21 03:08 PM
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maybe look at youtube for help? Pickup channels like Todd V for example? Get an idea of a few openers and how to start convos. Would else help approach anxiety a little bit
/r/seduction18/10/21 01:20 PM
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good effort. Todd is good.
/r/seduction18/10/21 07:49 AM
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numbers game in the sense you need to find the girls who are into you.
/r/seduction17/10/21 08:10 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/datingadviceformen/comments/q7ts90/turned_down_for_being_too_old_made_me_feel_like_a/hgvpaio/?context=3
/r/seduction16/10/21 07:59 PM
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and decided to try out the Coquette role on her What did you say to her?
/r/seduction16/10/21 02:44 PM
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I read that almost all the best guys end up adopting direct game. Even the one who used to promote indirect game I suspect this is because they eventually realised you really don't have much control and that 'attraction material' (negs, DHV, compliance escalation etc) don't actually work as advertised Approach, super confident body language and show intent (masculinity) straight away and you've probably already given yourself the very best possible chance you have. If she isn't interested at tha…
/r/seduction16/10/21 12:00 PM
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r/lostredditor
/r/seduction16/10/21 10:22 AM
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well it's about attraction. So of course being in shape is a big part. Your face and your body. And your fashion too.
/r/seduction16/10/21 07:51 AM
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it's a numbers game! Hit the gym and look your best and the results get better. Good job. Good game!
/r/seduction15/10/21 06:14 PM
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ahh, OK. Then yes, I agree.
/r/seduction15/10/21 04:25 PM
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true. People just believe what they read in books but I promise not one person here has banged a girl who was genuinely cold/unreceptive to their approach. Not one. It's a numbers game about finding the girls that are into you. It's not black magic
/r/seduction15/10/21 03:39 PM
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doesn't work though. At least not on a cold approach. (can work in dating, though) On a cold approach if she's ignoring you and stuff and you then ignore her back, it's end of set. She leaves. She was never into you in the 1st place (hence her reaction) and now she's got the best excuse ever to leave lol
/r/seduction15/10/21 03:37 PM
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that's ok if you are dating or something, but on a cold approach taht certainly doesn't work lol SHe's acting cold and not answering you because she's not attracted. If you now go quiet and 'ignore her' (not that there's anything to ignore because she's not asking you shit because she doesn't care!) then it's end of set anyway. If she's being cold, she's not interested. THere's nothing you can do about that. Next her. Move on to the next girl
/r/seduction15/10/21 03:36 PM
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I don't think i'd even want one lol. Sounds like a headache to me. Although maybe if I was some really good looking guy who was able to get 'rotations' (loads of girls all wanting me) then I guess i'd do it for a while. One of my old friends was a really good looking dude who was always getting appraoched, and he used to have a ridiculous 'rotation'. Like 15 girls he was always banging
/r/seduction14/10/21 09:24 PM
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Oh and if you have a good looking friend, go out with him. He'll draw in tons of girls This is suicide in my experience. Makes for a depressing night! haha All the girls compete for him, the hottest one gets him, and then the other girls dissappear to find the next hunk lol Had one such night last weekend. Sucked. I was doing all this 'game' on this girl I opened. Pushpull and DHV's and making her laugh and whatnot, thinking it was working (it wasn't. No attraction in hindsight), but she was jus…
/r/seduction14/10/21 08:58 PM
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thanks. I run the same game as you (pushpull etc). I guess you have better looks and maybe location. Thanks for reply
/r/seduction14/10/21 02:41 PM
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What do u mean how do they tend to work out? Just what sort of game you run and what you say, your vibe and how a typical appraoch/pull looks etc. I know you're struggling with 3somes, but it sounds like you're having better results than anyone else on here if that's your struggle haha. Sounds like you can pull who you want (but can't always get them to do threesomes) Start a masterclass thread!
/r/seduction14/10/21 02:14 PM
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Don't have any advice i'm afraid but sounds like you're a super stud. You just a relly good looking dude? How do your hookups tend to work out?
/r/seduction14/10/21 01:55 PM
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If 'seduction' was actually possible, then of course we could all give you lines and stuff to use. But none of that is gonna help. And it's the same in person too, i'm afraid. e'g there's no techniques and stuff that actually make a girl want to bang you. Ever heard ''what you say doesn't matter'' before from the seduction experts? SO basically, in your situation, you need to either 100% be her physical type. Super handsome to her tastes to the point she's attracted. So just say 'hi' and tell he…
/r/seduction14/10/21 10:36 AM
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loads of people on this sub claim 1000+ lay counts. So maybe not haha
/r/seduction13/10/21 07:15 PM
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yeah, i'd honestly say about 85% of my friends are going out with girls they met at work. Or are married to them lol. Or are/were just banging them. Maybe it's a UK thing. Maybe in the US it's frowned upon? (since all I read on reddit from Americans is not to do it lol) - Here EVERYONE does it
/r/seduction11/10/21 10:35 PM
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sometimes you can't win. Touch her too much and can be too forward for her. Don't touch her or flirt and she'll assume you're gay or scared haha.
/r/seduction11/10/21 10:12 PM
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also need to find the ones who are attracted to you! haha
/r/seduction11/10/21 06:49 PM
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she's probably just a 'no girl. Move on to the next girl
/r/seduction11/10/21 06:04 PM
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lol, that's the game bro haha. Approach. Find out who's interested and who's not.
/r/seduction11/10/21 05:08 PM
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I think it just depends on a tonne of factors. I have good looking friends who don't know a thing about game who literally get approached by cute girls. From that point it's hard to fail
/r/seduction11/10/21 07:22 AM
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Wasn't bad game hahaha. They were just 'no girls'. All game was by the book
/r/seduction11/10/21 07:14 AM
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so you're against people approaching girls and people having casual sex. I get it. I don't think this is the sub for you though lol
/r/seduction10/10/21 07:17 PM
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Personally I would do away with the ‘can I meet you’ line thanks Yeah, I use that as the whole model i'm doing is John Anthony's method, including the opener and the DHV's adn stuff. Just trying it out to see if it actually works It seems though that it's no more or less successful than Todd V style or any other method, tbh. Basically, if she is attracted it all works haha (and visa versa)
/r/seduction10/10/21 06:13 PM
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check DM's. Coaching possible?
/r/seduction10/10/21 06:02 PM
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so you don't recommend anyone at all. Nobody worth reading or anything. We all have to be our own coaches kind of thing? Best to ignore everyone basically? Could be right I'm currently doing John Anthony method. He's got like 12000 lays my latest FR https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/q5a3pk/fr_approaches_last_night/
/r/seduction10/10/21 05:32 PM
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whose frame work do you like Infields aren't ideal, but it's better than someone just telling you how good they are lol. Anyone can do that. Again, who do you like/recommend
/r/seduction10/10/21 05:18 PM
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who do you think is good if not the youtubers? YOu need to listen to someone who actually has infield otherwise everyone is an expert Who do you like?
/r/seduction10/10/21 05:12 PM
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was I not manipulated into sex by the girl who approached me and kissed me? Don't get your panties in a bunch. It's not manipulation. I can't make anyone do anything they don't want to do. Nobody can it's just about trying to meet girls who are interested in hooking up for the night. You need to shoot your shot adn find out. Girls and guys all like sex
/r/seduction10/10/21 04:22 PM
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You know what this sub is for right? Nothing gross about hitting on girls lol. The last girl hit on ME!! Is SHE gross, too??!! :) Or are you lost lol
/r/seduction10/10/21 03:38 PM
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you see posts here from girls often who are like 'I really wanna hook up with my co worker' and she's never even spoke to him lol. When asked why she explains that he's hot I tihnk it's just marketing by PUA coaches who tell you girls aren't attracted to the same as guys are and stuff
/r/seduction25/08/21 01:52 PM
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thing is there's lot of field reports on here of guys opening girls and being super direct and sexual and getting told to go away lol. Of course mark manson method can work, but so can anything if you open a girl who thinks you're cute. you can go up to a girl and tell her you think she is fucking hot in that dress and you want to get to know her That will get a 100% rejection rate if you use it on girls who aren't attracted for example
/r/seduction25/08/21 09:39 AM
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you don't get a date or a 'responsive' number if she's not into you is the point - most like just a girl giving one-word answers on the street or bar or whatever
/r/seduction22/08/21 07:18 PM
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You were already were on a DATE with them lol. That's different. She'll only do that if she thinks you're hot/attractive. That's the point I think - that lots of guys cold approach a girl, she's clearly not interested, and they spend the next 5 minutes DHVing to her as she's desperately trying to get away haha
/r/seduction22/08/21 07:09 PM
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that's what's good/(bad? lol) about girls in lots of Europe. At night time especially many young ones are like ''Sorry. I'm not interested in you. You're not my type' right after the open haha. Even if the open isn't direct! Or they ignore you HARD! Like barely acknowledge you lol - At least it Lets you know where you stand and not to waste time trying to run 'game' since you know it won't help
/r/seduction22/08/21 08:31 AM
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The bartender asked you to get her number? 'That like never happens, you lucky mf! must be a good looking mofo lol
/r/seduction21/08/21 05:57 PM
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sounds like a severe case of oneitis. Obviously in an ideal world there'd be a way you could 'seduce' her and get what you want out of her, but that doesn't actually exist (yes I know this is a 'seduction' sub lol) - If she's not attracted she's not attracted, and that's that. She's attracted to your friend I'd advise just blocking her out of your life if possible. unfollow on social media etc. Stop seeing her. Not in a butt-hurt way (I think you can unfollow people without them even knowing for…
/r/seduction21/08/21 05:37 PM
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isn't that a limiting belief on your part? check out kpop on this sub
/r/seduction19/08/21 09:09 PM
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Sure of course, every line will work.. also one of these guys is good looking and the other one is very good looking.. Shouldn't matter. Girls don't care at all about looks and aren't attracted by them. That's why we have negs and stuff to make her want you even if she thinks you are ugly. Game 101
/r/seduction19/08/21 09:02 PM
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it's just regualr guys playing the numbers game but since they have their rare pulls on film, it convinces people they have some special 'skill' that really doesn't actually exist.
/r/seduction15/02/21 02:45 PM
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ha, this reminds me of my frustration at when I first got into this some years back. I'd literally write down scripts from infields (seriously) from all different PUA's. Eventually I realised that there really is nothing special or unique about verbals used. They talk like every other guy. Say the same things etc. There doesn't exist any super 'advanced' stuff that can literally make a girl attracted to you. That's where the marketing comes in I guess (I can see that now, but couldn't at first a…
/r/seduction10/02/21 10:51 AM
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