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Question For Menegalitarian-flan/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:51 AM
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Discussionegalitarian-flan/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 03:01 PM
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If you found this on an Instagram story regarding human relationships, then the creator is unfortunately either functionally illiterate, exceptionally unintelligent, or a straight up liar. The study is about flies. Not humans, not primates in general, heck...it isn't even about mammals. Including a study about insects to discuss humanity is like trying to discuss good dog training but including a post about how to breed butterflies. It's nothing but irrelevant nonsense.
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 01:35 PM
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It's not even idealistic. If everything that redpill men said was true, heck even if only half of it was true, then our species would have died out before we invented agriculture hundreds of thousands of years ago. The world as redpill tries to paint it is a cold, brutal, calculated, hyper-transactional, harsh, utterly uncompromising and unloving misandric AND misogynistic dystopia. Nothing remotely "ideal" about it.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/25 12:56 PM
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Can you please link to the scientific evidence? I'd be interested in reading it, as a non-hypergamous woman.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/25 02:14 PM
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You think there's hundreds of people who go on incel and mgtow forums for years with the same hatred, complaints, and failures time after time? Sure, there's some pretenders like me who are there to learn about that subculture. But you couldn't convince me we're the majority.
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 02:07 PM
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Most incels I talked to don't mind an experienced sex partner. Every single one of them told me that they want their wife or long term partner to be a virgin though. If you've spoken to "incels" who've claimed to be able to have casual sex partners, then yes, you're referring to men who would be utterly torn to shreds by the ones I've conversed with. Men see women as possessions and nobody wants a used car when they can get a brand new one. Thankfully most men are not like that. Some are, and th…
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 04:03 PM
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I'm not the type of person who goes around invalidating men's feelings and confessions. When a man tells you about his struggles, personal issues, beliefs, and insecurities, it's incredibly arrogant to be dismissive of their words like you advise. If you want to be misandric, go right ahead. I will not.
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 03:13 PM
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Thank you! I only know it from talking with them directly, tbh.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 02:05 PM
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I've spoken with incels and other manosphere men, both irl and online, for two decades. Hundreds of incels have given me this exact answer over that time. Out of the mouths of men themselves...yet you think I don't understand them?
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 10:39 AM
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Because they are almost always virgins themselves, and live in perpetual fear of dating a woman who has ever had her own sexual experiences and thus can determine whether sex with him is good or not.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/25 04:47 PM
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I've listened to stories from literally thousands of manosphere guys over a 19 year timespan. I've read accounts from them on blogs, YouTube comments, mens rights subs, private forums, and websites. I've even had the chance to talk to some in person, and via zoom calls. Suffice to say, the number of stories I know directly from redpillers is more than I can feasibly count. What do I make of these stories? Some of them are just sob stories from men who lack any accountability. Others are from men…
/r/ExRedPill03/03/25 12:41 AM
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I'm a woman who was involved with the manosphere at large for about 20 years. Down to talk if you'd like.
/r/ExRedPill20/02/25 12:11 AM
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Where’s the ex-red pilled women? I'd consider myself an ex-redpill woman. However I work 2 jobs and generally just have time to lurk/read. What would you like to talk about?
/r/ExRedPill19/02/25 11:54 PM
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It's important in heterosexual relationships to realize that, in general, men already have more physical "power" than women. Yes, sometimes we're stronger/taller than our men, or we're roughly the same height/strength. But most women with male sexual or romantic partners have to go through our entire lives knowing that he could harm or even kill us simply because men do typically have that level of power. But I don't think any of us (outside of women being abused) obsess over this fact of genera…
/r/ExRedPill01/02/25 12:27 AM
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If you're new here, be cautious. I'm 43 and been monogamous with my boyfriend for 20 years as well. Although there's a handful of good men here who will understand you have years of advice to give based on what works, the overwhelming majority will simply use your "old age" and lack of current dating knowledge to despise and insult you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:46 PM
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Thanks for the mention. I actually unjoined this sub about 6 months ago due to the constant toxicity, insults, misogyny, misandry, and general hatred towards women in loving relationships. But it's nice to know some people took our words as advice rather than just another thing to hate us for.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:43 PM
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It just so happens that you, in this particular regard, did and said the same. How so? There's a big difference between what I said vs the examples you gave. If I'd written something like "Women are NEVER interested in older men because they're ALL gross...but MY boyfriend is significantly older and awesome teehee!" then yeah, you'd absolutely have a point. But I didn't say anything like that, so I'm genuinely confused why you think I did? Congratulations for your relationship BTW. I wish you th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:21 PM
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You'd have a point if I'd said anything like that, but I didn't. All I said was that it's true the majority of women don't date men who are significantly older. I ended up doing so after many, many utter failures of dates with men my own age but that's not statistically the case. Like I mentioned above, I've not yet met any other couple irl who have a 14 year age gap. If it was common, or even just uncommon but still something seen a buncha times, then I'd probably have met a handful by now. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:26 PM
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Maybe. All I can say is what I already said in my initial comment, basically that OP is correct that it doesn't happen often and those of us young women who date significantly older men are indeed outliers. His comment of "never happens" isn't logical, as neither OP nor I said that. I can tell I'm an exception because the overwhelming majority of women don't look for LTRs with men 10+ years older...than doesn't mean we don't exist at all, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:47 PM
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What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 04:11 PM
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My bf and I started our relationship when I was 23 and he was 36. Definitely agree that I'm an outlier though, as I've never met anyone else irl with anything remotely close to this age difference. It is a rare occurance, and even moreso that it turns into a healthy, non-financially based LTR like mine is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:27 PM
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u/illliest, I'm a 43 year old woman who got sucked into the manosphere/redpill ideology when I was 19 and spent years in it, only gradually seeing it for what it truly is after more than a decade following it. I understand for this particular study you're looking for men, but if you're interested in expanding to women in another study, I'm interested in helping.
/r/ExRedPill28/11/24 11:44 AM
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Sounds like you've had a rough life with conservatives too.
/r/ExRedPill22/11/24 12:58 AM
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To be fair, conservative men treat everyone like that. I'm a woman, and grew up in a severely religious, very abusive, and extremely conservative American household. I loved all animals, always have. My father and the other male elders all acted as though finding animals to be good companions was weak/stupid. I was openly berated and mocked as a child and teen. So many of these idiots have taken the Christian idea of "man is above nature" to such lengths that they literally can't understand havi…
/r/ExRedPill22/11/24 12:37 AM
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Alright well you got lucky. It's good to know that 1 girlfriend every 2.25 years was an acceptable rate for you. But 1 year makes you a whore. So the line is maybe like 2 years? Who said anything about whores? Why put that line there? Why not put the line at every year? 5 months? Hell it could be being a virgin. But you understand that that's unreasonable. The line isn't about averages, it's about knowing my lifetime partner isn't the type to share sex with people he doesn't love/isn't in a long…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:19 PM
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Yea, I do think you can only love one person at a time. However, there is a lot of time in life. So you can love many people. Often multiple people in the span of a year. If you're into short-term relationships or are polyamourus, sure. For those of us who find a partner and stay with them for years upon years, no. I have a feeling as though you have not done that, but rather found a person to love for a long time within the first third of your life. Correct. I'm 43 years old and have only ever …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:28 PM
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It's weird that giving people sex devalues a man's sexuality. Well, many men here believe that being promiscuous devalues a woman’s sexuality. I simply think the same way about men. If 10 people asked you for a slice of your homemade apple pie because it's so delicious. The pie isn't any worse when people get to enjoy it. If you're looking for the customer you want to spend your life with, it's important to know they like the pie first. Tell that to the numerous dudebros here. BUT this shouldn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:58 PM
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"His sexuality has any worth" implies that you yourself think your sexuality has worth...? Yes, I firmly believe that both male and female sexuality has worth. I value it as a way to show the highest form of physical connection, intimacy, and love. In my personal opinion, men and women who frivolously go around fucking any random human who will deign to lay with them are devaluing their sexuality. Instead of sex being a mutual biological act, you see it as a tradable commodity. I don't view it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 10:18 PM
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I don't care anymore, unfortunately the men here are completely undeserving of sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 09:00 PM
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I don't care anymore, unfortunately the men here are completely undeserving of sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 09:00 PM
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It's better to get deal-breakers out of the way early before any emotions are involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 08:18 PM
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Then we have very different demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 07:57 PM
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He said more men than not. He didn't say more men than women. And I think those numbers are just dudes virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 07:56 PM
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The cartoon?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 07:55 PM
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He's way older than you and has a ton of life experience over you. In some ways, yes. In other ways, no. He's perfectly positioned to outmaneuver you and sneak around behind your back. He's got in his clutches a woman who had no experience when you met. He's not a fucking bird of prey. He's an average man. He doesn't have anyone "in his clutches" ffs. This all stinks of "I've been run through by a ton of women now let me exploit a virgin" vibes. He's a low N man, not even double digit partners. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 07:46 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 07:38 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 07:38 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 07:38 PM
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I find that extremely difficult to believe on a general level, but understand it's true on an individual one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 10:34 AM
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I can see you're not interested in real conversation. Fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 10:01 AM
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I'm not going to engage with you further after that whole "it might have sucked for you during a brief 6 years, but for a lot of men, that 6 years is a life time". Way to disregard the fact I never had a relationship until I was halfway through being 23, after 6 years of failed dating. That was my entire dating lifetime. The same exact amount of time can't be "brief" for one person yet "a lifetime" for someone else. Good bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:56 AM
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They're not. It's something that many people learn, both men and women. High school is utter shit (not the education, just the people) and can even be a hellish environment for some of us. Once you're no longer stuck in a building every weekday for 4-5 years with groups of peers who act like it's their job to make you feel useless, isolated, and ugly...yes life gets better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:50 AM
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Good talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:35 AM
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Yeah, that's the part that really sounded like bad advice and I wanted to call out. If someone is going around spreading lies, and they're lies that could literally land you in prison, then you do not delete ANY of their communications with you. It's highly likely, especially in scenarios like this, that they've slipped up at least once and admitted it's just to hurt you. I also really thought that the idea of OP's hypothetical man bringing this up in the middle of a date somehow indicates it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:35 AM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:23 AM
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Interesting. Difference is, you'll find more men than not will be totally okay with a woman being a virgin This is blatantly false, unless you're talking specifically about religious or very conservative men. I hate when guys here try to gaslight me about this when I went through 6 years of no relationships because of this. The overwhelming majority of men irl don't want virgins, it's just a PPD fetish. And if the relationship does by some miracle take off, it will always be a thorn in the side …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:23 AM
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Why do you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:17 AM
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Your partner doesn’t know your ideas don’t align but at least you have a relationship Personally I couldn't do that. I wouldn't entertain the idea of a relationship with a man who had values different than mine. You get accepted after you lied or you don’t get accepted at all if you say the truth The first option is possible but not probable. If I don't get accepted for who I am/what I've lived through, then it's better to get that sorted out in the beginning before there's too many feelings. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:17 AM
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I did at the beginning, mostly because his number was higher than I expected. Like I honestly thought he'd have a maximum of 4, not 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:08 AM
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It did indeed. I assume you saw my flair lol. You're right, not everyone will have the same experiences. But everyone deserves to have a good first time, and hopefully by the time you're in bed with someone you've vetted them a decent amount and know they won't judge you negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 03:01 AM
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Of course. That's why it's important to be one of the people who practice good, honest communication and encourage your partner to do so as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:46 AM
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Yes, but that's due to a couple factors. The two biggest being that I'm autistic and it took me a couple years to even figure out how dating was supposed to generally work. I am also 13 years younger, so didn't have the same amount of time to possibly find various long and short-term partners like he did. When we finally had sex for the first time, I was a 23.5 year old virgin and he was 36 years old with 7 previous girlfriends and 1 guy he experimented with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:41 AM
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There is a lot more to having good, mutually fun and satisfying sex with someone than just "what hole to put it in". We're talking about being physically vulnerable, sharing your body with another human being for the first time, and them sharing with you. You're acting like it's playing with blocks at preschool...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:32 AM
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Unfortunately men do all these things too when you tell them you're a virgin. It's why I began lying and saying my N was 2 or 3 when it was still 0. Of course, when I met the man who'd become my bf, I told him about my total lack of experience when we started doing more than heavy petting. I knew that there was a chance of a serious relationship with him, and that he deserved to know what he'd be getting into.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:28 AM
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A few reasons. First, we should make sure our values and ideas about sex align, to make sure we aren't yoking ourselves to a high N person. Second, we should strive to be accepted for who we are and what we've accomplished or resisted whenever possible. Third, we deserve to have a memorable and pleasant first time just as much as our more experienced partners had (hopefully).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:22 AM
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Why is it important for us low N or virgin people to tell our more experienced bfs/gfs?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:00 AM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:58 AM
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In much the same way I answered that promiscuous women (and men) should tell their partners about the extent of their sexual history, I also say that inexperienced men (and women) should tell ours. Just because our experience is either nil or very low doesn't mean it isn't important for our LTRs to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:56 AM
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Exactly this. The other thing is, if you're lying to your partner about something so substantial...whether it's your sexual past, if you were an alcoholic, if you went through a klepto phase, if you were SA'd or otherwise abused as a child, you had done drugs, you had a mountain of debt...then they're not getting to know the real you. They only know the fake you that has a bunch of hidden secrets. How would it not be better to find someone who actually accepts you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:14 AM
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My point is at 15, unless you're incredibly unfortunate...like legitimately ugly due to an accident, fire, or birth disorder...you don't know that you aren't attractive enough. The average boy and girl at that age is so different from what they'll grow to be at 20. When I was 14, I was 5'2 and barely had hips, ass, and only B cup tits. My hair always had dandruff no matter what I did, I had pimple breakouts every other week, I had anxiety about constantly being bullied so my nails, cuticles, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:05 AM
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I suppose I'm just confused about why there would be any issue about male toys if the woman has her own... That's like being pissed off I'm eating pasta and my boyfriend is eating pasta too lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:06 PM
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There is a gigantic difference between knowing what path you want to follow in life vs being able to tell the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:38 PM
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Yup. I fall into this category. I always knew I didn't want kids, I didn't care about marriage, I never wanted casual sex, I wanted to find a lifelong partner before I turned 25, I wanted to get a Masters degree, I wanted to be accepted as a masc woman and hopefully find a fem man...etc, etc, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:10 PM
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If men vetted women for being accepting of such things, first how would that work? I can tell you what my boyfriend did. We'd been having sex for about 5 months when one night we were at his place, doing mutual masturbation. He took out a fleshlight and asked if I'd use it on him instead of just my hand. I looked at it a bit, got to choose which lube to use, and we continued having fun. So...idk, maybe something like that? I did something similar prior to that when I asked him to use a vibe on m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:30 PM
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And yet if you are valued you are treated as such at that age. If you are attractive you are treated as such at that age. Yes. Many of us aren't. Many of us are shunned, bullied, injured physically and mentally by our peers. It is what it is. Life unfortunately isn't fair. And boys becoming men who haven't have women attracted to them know it's a black mark for them in the women's eyes. In high school, yes. Once you're out of there it's not like anyone in the Real World knows you, so long as you…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:22 PM
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I view sex as a need for most men and most women. Yes, you can live without it...it's not a Basic Need, like water, food, or shelter. But it is a Higher Need like acceptance of one's tribe or familial connections. I tend to personally experience sex as a equal to physical touch, which is necessary for infants to survive and for adults to thrive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:47 PM
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Is it the man's gf or wife who is mocking him? That sounds like a very big thing to vet for, that your partner doesn't make fun of you for having sex toys like she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:30 PM
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These responses are all my personal opinions. A woman's sexual past does not matter; False. It matters a lot, just as a man's matters a lot. Men who care about this are weak, insecure and not worth the relationship; False. It is good to vet against a potential partner who has a sexual past that is opposite to your own values and thoughts about what sex is for. A woman "with a past" should not tell her partner (potential or current) about her sexual past; False. I believe that both sexes should b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:26 PM
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Because being undesirable at age 16 is common. So many boys and girls are awkward, dumb, going through puberty, being depressed, feeling totally isolated and weird, havinb painful growth spurts and bodily changes, etc. It's frankly a terrible time of life for most people. But the majority grow out of it, both physically and mentally, because your hormones stabilize, you finish growing, you get a job, buy a car, get promotions, pay off loans, start becoming a fully fledged grown up. Even without …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:14 PM
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If he's the one bringing it up casually on a date, then it's a safe assumption that he's going to be comfortable talking about it. He wouldn't have started the conversation in the first place. OP didn't give much to the scenario but I doubt this is meant to be a first date thing...it's likely this potential situation is at least a few weeks down the road of us dating, if not months. By then, it makes sense he'd open up because he'd have a decent idea of what kind of person I am, and that I'd bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 03:43 PM
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I would never submit to my boyfriend, at least not in the way the term was used by my parents and religious community. That version meant my feelings, beliefs, education, goals, desires, and needs all automatically become secondary and inherently inferior to his. They were always very quick to say I'd still matter in "my future marriage"...just never as much as my hypothetical husband. He would always be the leader, the decision maker, the breadwinner, the initiator, the captain, the protector, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 03:26 PM
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Thank you, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 02:09 PM
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10s don't actually exist, nobody is perfect. To be a 9, he'd have to still look like he did when we first met, which is impossible since he's now 55, not 36. Younger looking eyes, still have thick wavy blonde hair instead of grey, fewer skin tags and no age spots, no wrinkles or bags under his eyes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:51 PM
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Nah, I'd click away from any dude who didn't have a bio. I was on those sites to find a life partner. I gotta know at least a little info about a guy before messaging him, otherwise it's a total time waste.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:18 PM
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What would such a dating app look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:16 PM
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Interesting. I like beer (specifically porters and stouts) but am not at all open to casual sex/sex on the first handful of dates. And I have 6 years of being ghosted and dumped because of that, so it's not something I'm willing to budge on lol. Did you have to tell the male members that it was just a high correlation rather than a guarantee, so they wouldn't expect 100% results?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:13 PM
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Came back here to say that one of my YouTube commercials yesterday was basically this lol. A four minute long animated ad talking about "we did the research across 5 different dating apps and found the ONE PHRASE THAT GETS EVERY WOMAN PRIMED FOR SEX". Of course it was just a bunch of the most vague and highly repetitive word salad known to man after that. You have to click the link and pay $50 to learn the phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:03 PM
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I don't know what there is to agree about? You said I should talk to the clinics near me about non-medically necessary abortions after the legal time frame. I told you I have already spoken to those employees and have been told what would happen. So...what else is there to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:01 AM
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Very much so. Also, if this woman really is going around accusing him of untrue things, chances are he has receipts...random Facebook messages, unhinged texts, Instagram posts that get put up at 3am, voicemails going from lovebombing to seething hatred in the span of 20 seconds. I've had guyfriends who dealt with genuinely psycho ex-girlfriends and holy shit, they could have posted something new on r/nicegirls everyday for weeks. Of course, this isn't something you'd immediately share with a new…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:56 AM
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I know that the 2 Planned Parenthoods near me will not do them unless it's a medical emergency, and they also need to speak with your primary obgyn beforehand. Two of my customers work there and they're incredibly strict about all legal procedures. Even in my state, with our reproductive rights intact, absolutely no doctors can afford to be cutting corners for threat of losing their license. We weren't affected nearly as horribly as some other states when Roe was taken away, but it still was a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:46 AM
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That's probably true about most of those dudes, but I still can't imagine there's more than .001% of women who only date men who cold approach, and nobody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:22 AM
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Because I think my boyfriend is sexually attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:20 AM
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Same here, although I'd also want the full story about what he went through, not just a 2 sentence synopsis. Other than that, I agree with this entirely. It's not a deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:17 AM
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Good point, it could be that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 06:08 AM
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Exactly, you get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 06:07 AM
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I don't think those women mean they only want to be cold approached, just that they enjoy it when attractive dudes notice and talk to them. Could be wrong though. Maybe you'll get some surprising answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 03:32 AM
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Yeah, I was gonna say this. Although I'm sure there's women out in the world who have a thing for being randomly approached and taking a shot on it once in a while, I'm incredibly doubtful any woman solely or even typically dates this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 03:17 AM
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Right. I already said that the majority of women aren't very low N, so yeah...of course it doesn't pertain to the majority. You're just agreeing with me about the fact low N women prefer men who are like us, and women who are not low N prefer men who are like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 01:38 AM
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Most men and women are able to understand the difference between their individual sexual preferences vs the general preferences found in conventionally attractive people. That's why you have women like me who think their man is a 8 according to her own preferences, and men who say things like "I know my gf is average to most guys but to me she's the most gorgeous woman on the planet".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 01:32 AM
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I guess, but women prefer a successful and attractive man who has experience. There's a huge, Mt Everest sized amount of difference between a normal man who has a bit of sexual experience with a few short and longterm girlfriends throughout his life VS a man who's been the town bicycle and you can't go grocery shopping without bumping into a random chick who's seen him naked.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 01:04 AM
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I appreciate it, thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:56 AM
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Damn, this is awesome. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:55 AM
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Why 1-7? There's sometimes a difference between how attractive an individual woman finds her man vs how attractive the majority of other women would find him. Like I personally think my man is an 8, due to my own preferences. However I think if we were talking about how the majority of other women would rank him, it would be a 5. It doesn't matter that most women wouldn't chose him for casual sex, because I've already chosen him for sex for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:33 AM
1

That's why I said it tends to, not that it's guaranteed to. It is not a lie, just a generalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 11:43 PM
30

Yes, absolutely! He's just perfect for me, the exact body type I prefer and he's very attractive and sexually appealing in my eyes. Every time he gets out of the shower I have the urge to jump him...unfortunately doesn't happen as often as I'd like, but that doesn't stop my body from automatically responding to my raw attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 11:32 PM
6

I'm sorry then. I wish I knew you irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 11:18 PM
1

Are you sure they aren't being deliberately stupid or obnoxious? Because no, a sex worker isn't anything whatsoever like a girlfriend. Anyone who says so is either joking or severely mentally challenged.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 11:06 PM
-5

Do you not think you have grown in both life experience and maturity, as well as attractiveness, since age 16? That's such a terrible, awkward, difficult, and kinda isolating time of one's life. Things tend to improve after high school. It's saddening to know you felt that way like so many of the rest of us, but believed it would just...stay that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 10:52 PM
-6

Why did you give up at such a young age?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:54 PM
3

What I meant is that there are sites deliberately marketed towards people who are seeking LTRs and committed relationships. Tinder is doing no such thing, and the majority of its members use it for casual sex, not finding a stable life partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:45 PM
2

Most women also aren't very low N.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:43 PM
2

At what age do you think this changes for the majority?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:41 PM
1

Precisely this 👏
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:27 PM
2

Tinder isn't really a dating site though, it's main goal is to have people hookup/have ons. I wouldn't expect people who use Tinder to be writing a decent bio anymore than I'd expect McDonald's to serve créme brûlée.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:27 PM
1

That's so intriguing!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 06:51 PM
0

How are you not aware of what values you hold or what life goals you have? Like how do you make any longterm decisions if that's the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 05:49 PM
3

I always assumed that the women who claim that completely unrelated things somehow make a man "sexy" are just using the wrong word on purpose, like a joke or something. None of the above actions are arousing imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 05:47 PM
2

What does the nonexistence of late term abortions have to do with the fundamental framework then? It's like discussing the need for child safety by starting with how to prevent attacks from the monsters under the bed...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 05:44 PM
3

Depends on the woman. N count typically means a hell of a lot to those of us who are low N ourselves, just like how most low N men wouldn't prefer a high N woman even if she's decent in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 04:57 PM
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If the attractive guy has a low N when getting married or committing to his girlfriend, I'd agree he has proven himself to show restraint and could be trusted. Not a high N man though, because he showed no restraint.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 04:47 PM
1

“Bad boy” is the catch all for a desirable man. Since when...? Both online and irl I've only heard it used to refer to attractive men who are also douchebags, petty criminals, drug users/dealers, just generally scummy guys who manage to get laid off of looks despite their shit lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 04:45 PM
2

Idk. Maybe it's something more rural then. In my region a lot of the volunteers in charity organizations are in their late 20s. We don't have nearly as many who are 40 or older.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 04:39 PM
5

How so? A guy who'd be able to sleep with lots of random women wouldn't be a good pick for a LTR imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 04:37 PM
1

This is why it took me years and years to have my guyfriends wives be cool with me going on our twice yearly trips. Yet another reason I wish I'd been born male...everything would have been so much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 04:34 PM
10

Yes, exactly! Once a man or woman starts working out, understanding how their body moves, needing to use good posture so they don't accidentally pull a muscle, it just further helps their daily posture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 04:30 PM
3

I was 23 when this worked for me. What do you think changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 04:28 PM
4

Precisely why I am against them. They cause more problems than they solve imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 04:01 PM
1

Thanks 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:35 PM
2

How much did they have to pay for the information?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:34 PM
5

Why discuss principles that don't exist though? You're devoting time and energy to being mad at something that isn't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:33 PM
4

I state i would be but the current pro choice platform is not and is very hostile to it. Part of my post is advocacy to pro choice advocates to concider that broading the platform would gain the support of men like me. Yes, and I agree with that part. But it seems odd to say you want to work on obtaining better rights for men, by taking them away from women in the meantime. We don't solve childhood hunger by forcing all children to have only 1 meal a day. We acknowledge that many children have 3…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:32 PM
9

I live in NY, and we have one of the best reproductive rights laws in the United States, which still means you can't get an unnecessary abortion after week 22. I don't know about other countries but we certainly don't have any States that offer "abortion on demand". Late term abortions are a tragedy, a time when something has gone terribly wrong with either the fetus or the mother's body. Nobody is walking around going through the pain, discomfort, health issues, permanent bodily changes, and po…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:27 PM
2

That sounds interesting to read. How many people were in each group? Like was it 75% who contradicted themselves and 25% actually knew what they wanted?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:19 PM
1

I'm just saying, I hardly think I was a "unicorn" or "not like other girls". Yes, I was more mature than the norm but I'm against the idea that young adults who are 20+ are unable to make decisions for themselves in finances, relationships, living arrangements, educational or career pursuits, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:18 PM
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If you want men to have comparable reproductive rights, shouldn't that mean you're just pro-choice for both sexes? I'm definitely in favor of having more rights for men in this aspect of life, but that's because I want them to be treated as similar to women as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:15 PM
4

Very interesting. Was it a question related to one specific topic from the rest of the survey?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:13 PM
13

This is a truly huge amount of writing to go through. I got to the 8th paragraph before realizing how much more there was. Any chance you could pick one or two points to discuss instead of this entire thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 02:51 PM
5

This is the genuine issue right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 02:48 PM
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I'm not either. I think you're not giving the average young adult enough credit. When I was 19, 20, 21 any random stranger could have asked me what my responses to all those things were and I'd have been able to give concise and honest answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 02:47 PM
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However, I don't think most people are self-aware enough to know things like that about themselves. You don't think most people could accurately express their values, goals, likes, dislikes, and what they're looking for in a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 02:27 PM
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Without knowing what you looked like before vs now, I'm assuming it's a combination of becoming more conventionally attractive as well as having better posture from doing healthy workouts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 02:26 PM
1

I think you're genuinely overestimating just how many women aren't that way because you're underestimating how many women think/say that they aren't that way but actually are. I agree with you that some women will lie about this. Also you are thinking about it too individually and not taking into account demographics. If 5% of women are something, then 95% of men won't end up with those women no matter how much they vet for it. I agree with this math. The part I disagree with is the claim that o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 12:45 PM
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Ive no idea who they were going out with before that age. Unfortunate. So you agree that its not age, its attractiveness thats the factor? Attractiveness is always the main factor, for both men and women. But for young women (ages 18-24) there's also the fact your peer group will look down on you or be icked by you dating a significantly older man. Some young women will not care, but others will avoid older men purely because of the negative connotations of his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 12:33 PM
1

I'm saying the guys I know who met their partner after about the age of 35 are almost all 10+ years older than their partner. What about the women they dated before age 35? Exactly so I don't understand the point being made. You're saying that women don't like unattractive men. So they must like attractive men. Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 11:20 AM
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I’m really happy that you found a great relationship Thank you, I really appreciate that. Would you say that you’re the exception when it comes to age-gap relationships? That's a difficult thing to answer since I don't personally know anyone else in an age gap relationship. On one hand, there's at least 3 other people on PPD who are in age gap relationships, and they say they're just as happy as me. On the other hand, I've gotten flak over the years from a lot of PPD women for having an age gap …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 11:19 AM
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I know loads of couples like that. Weird. That's definitely not the norm, at least in the US. Where are you from? I mean almost every single guy I know who got a wife or girlfriend over the age of about 35 is with a girl at least 10 years younger than him. You're saying the guys you know didn't get married until they were over 35 years old? Maybe that's the difference. The overwhelming majority of couples I personally know got married in their late 20s. And you didnt answer my question: If young…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 10:43 AM
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If a man is attractive to a 40 year old woman why wouldnt he be attractive to a 20 year old woman? Speaking as a woman who is in an age gap relationship with 13 years of difference between my bf and myself, I can honestly say I'm the only person I've ever known irl who has this kind of year gap. Literally every other couple I know...friends, coworkers, acquaintances, neighbors...is 3 years or less. When I began dating my bf (I was 23, he was 36) none of my classmates or female friends thought he…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 07:42 AM
1

I know you're exaggerating for effect, but they aren't that rare. Yes, it will take vetting to ensure you find someone like that but it's not something that would take years to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 07:30 AM
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This alienates me in a way, and I sit and think about how maybe sex is wrong, how women also think its wrong. Those women might. Most of us enjoy it frequently and don't think there's anything wrong with wanting it. Ill even say "well, isnt sex part of relationships?" and almost always, online at least, get told "thats what escorts are for, hire an escort." ...you literally have women online telling you to hire sex workers? Is sex not a big part of relationships? For the overwhelming majority of…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 01:35 AM
3

Absolutely not
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 01:30 AM
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Men, would you choose an attractive woman who is nice to you, fun and gives you regular sex, all kinds of kinks and fetishes, but she does not love you or care for you. So is she a friend with benefits?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:12 PM
1

Yes 98% of the time.. So you believe only 2% of us love our partners? Smart. I agree but I'm biased lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:07 PM
1

I don't think having a permanent SAHM makes sense anymore in this day and age I agree with this very much. But I don't have to like it, and I will likely label it as parasitism on her part. Just as how many feminist women don't like it when women that work full-time also do the majority of housework and childcare. Both are choices but both are clearly lopsided relationships. Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 10:46 PM
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True, we don't have nearly as much housework as couples with children, but with 3 golden retrievers and 2 parrots it sometimes doesn't feel like it lol. On a more serious note, does this mean you're firmly against tradwives, since they don't contribute any income, only labor/housework? And what do you think of the very rare occasions when wealthy men date lower class women...let's say a lawyer making $100k and his cashier girlfriend making $40k. Should they choose a home that she'd be able to af…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 10:36 PM
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What about more of an exchange? Like I outearn my bf and thus pay more of the household bills/expenses, but he works less hours so has more time to do some of the chores. If there's a quid pro quo kind of arrangement going on, would you agree that's not parasitic?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 10:29 PM
3

Then she's not a woman worth being with. You both deserve to have your needs met and accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:53 PM
3

Which is why you shouldn't take that kind of treatment from anyone. You're deserving of better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:41 PM
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From personal experience, I'd say look at joining loval charity organizations that endorse values/community efforts you're actually interested in helping with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:39 PM
7

I would rather reach my 40s as a single woman, regardless of whether the children are severely autistic or not. They could be 2 incredibly amazing, intelligent, empathetic, wonderful children and I'd still choose the option of having zero kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:37 PM
1

Did you mean to respond to me? I thought the general consensus on PPD was that women can't be simps... I don't think that the average woman has it any easier or harder than the average man, at least in 2024 United States. That's my point, that while each sex has privileges and obstacles those are usually flip sides of society's coin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 08:21 PM
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Fwiw, I consider you infinitely more successful in both relationships and life in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:53 PM
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But I do not care about your personal life, or want to learn more about you. Then you should refrain from talking about it in the first place, since you neither know anything about it nor want to be corrected on what you got wrong. Make a point about “spontaneous” acts of love, if you have one. If not, don’t talk to me. My point is that people who love each other will often do spontaneous acts of love, as well as planned ones like the examples I gave, to make their partner happy. And nothing I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:44 PM
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It's helpful regarding the particular post he's referring to, which is an erroneous article claiming that women's "best sex" is always going to be with "bad boys". He's pointing out how that isn't true, which is helpful for kind men who don't want to have to pretend to be assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:36 PM
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You're a bit of a weird one... Why do you go around insulting people if you don't want them to respond with the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:33 PM
3

Okay 🤷🏼‍♀️ Well, my bf and I have been together for 20 years, he really appreciates and loves all the things I've done for him over the years, and the only ammo I have is for my gun in the closet. Which I would use to protect him if shit ever happened...I guess you're not in favor of me keeping my man safe either?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:30 PM
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This needs more upvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:23 PM
1

Inquiring minds want to know! 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:21 PM
0

Sarcastic?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:15 PM
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I honestly cannot understand the ideas that this article perpetuates. Obviously I, and some of the other women here, aren't anything close to the target demographic. Fwiw, I don't want or desire or lust after "the bad boy". That kind of man is shit for any meaningful, stable, committed relationship, and in my view sex is only for a relationship that fulfills those requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:15 PM
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I would like to ask: a conversation with your partner about the things you personally find special is good communication, no? It is, definitely. Again, it could just be how I am thinking of it, but I'd personally have a conversation about how I felt less appreciated/special lately, and ask for him to work on that. I wouldn't dictate what that specialness could be...I'd actually be kinda excited to see what he'd come up with himself. Exactly. This is the part that I got hung up on. Why does the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:05 PM
3

Yeah, I've noticed this too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:58 PM
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One woman says she asked her bf to make an effort to do more special things for her. The example she used was leaving posit notes with sweet little messages for her to find. The other women agree. This is going as expected so far. Making your partner feel special is normal and encouraged behavior. It is, but maybe it's just me...I find it a little weird that she told him what to do. Like I make my boyfriend's lunch 2-3x a week because I enjoy cooking, and I put little love notes or silly jokes i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:42 PM
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My point is that you're comparing women who have baggage and trauma from being sexually abused and assaulted to men who haven't had sex yet. But most of us who've been traumatized in that way had it happen when we were children and unable to get away from those family members/family friends. If you're going to talk about women who have significant trouble trusting men, have harmful ideas about sex and love, have baggage regarding intimacy, and in general just have problems to work through longte…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:22 AM
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My point is that you're comparing women who have baggage and trauma from being sexually abused and assaulted to men who haven't had sex yet. But most of us who've been traumatized in that way had it happen when we were children and unable to get away from those family members/family friends. If you're going to talk about women who have significant trouble trusting men, have harmful ideas about sex and love, have baggage regarding intimacy, and in general just have problems to work through longte…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:21 AM
2

But you can have romance and no kids. In fact, wouldn’t no kids make romance EASIER? Imo it does, yeah. My bf and I will be celebrating our 20th "anniversary" in October, and we're both childfree. (He's 55, I'm turning 43, he got snipped before meeting me.) Having children together would have definitely made our lifestyle much more difficult, money issues much more severe, and our initial sex life more infrequent and stifled. I'm glad he wasn't able to get me pregnant and I've never had to be on…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 10:34 AM
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I think you'd be happy with the current responses actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:49 AM
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Yeah, It’s hard for guys who have parents that had different dating dynamics back then. True. I grew up in a cultish religious community until I was disfellowshiped/kicked out at 17. Imagine how different the normal US is compared to that lol. Thank goodness I'd been going to public school since 8th grade, otherwise I'd have been even more completely left behind. I do sympathize with guys who had similar issues with being raised in more traditional ways. It doesn't prepare you for modern dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:46 AM
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I am not for certain whether this is a female’s biological predisposition or it’s encouraged against women from birth to marry a guy of higher status I don't think it's biological, otherwise all of us would do it/be wanting to do it. I’ve seen it. Women making fun of one of their friends boyfriends Throw the whole "friend" out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:39 AM
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Thank you. There could be a few reasons, but the biggest one I'd assume would be that they're on different emotional wavelengths. Maybe the guy is a "hopeless romantic" type who loves the old fashioned idea of presenting flowers, poems, and baring his heart to his lady love...but she's a very modern type who thinks that stuff is only done in Shakespearean plays and doing it irl is cringe. Or he could be misreading how invested she is in their relationship. If it's been casual and lighthearted up…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:32 AM
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I've never had any guy other than my boyfriend express his feelings to me, and the first time he did I cried because my heart was overwhelmed. I'd never before had anyone say they loved me like that in my life, it felt like I'd finally become human...I know that sounds weird, but it really did feel like I'd been missing that special kind of acceptance as a person my whole life, and now it was making my heart burst in a good way. Of course once I could talk I returned the favor and expressed my f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:14 AM
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this is an economic partnership, together because of selfish reasons in a sense. A typical marriage to a woman. Come on, man. I know this is PPD but do you genuinely believe that most married women are only with their man because of wanting an economic partnership? You don't think they want the same thing the guy does...a loving companion, sexual intimacy, probably children to raise together, someone to come home to at night and share life with? And what about those of us who aren't married but …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:03 AM
2

What the hell? I haven't heard of this yet. How the heck would it be fraud, it's not like he's on 2 separate insurances.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 08:58 AM
0

I wouldn't have thought you gravitate towards that. None of your comments sound illogical/unrealistic in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 08:54 AM
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Do you have any sources for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:00 AM
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Actually, the trauma in sexual assault victims is frequently caused by poor choices in men and ignoring red flags. Blatantly false. Nearly 70% of all reported sexual assaults (including assaults on adults) occur to children ages 17 and under. Children have higher rates of sexual assault victimization than do adults. In 2000, the rate for youths aged 12 to 17 was 2.3 times higher than for adults. If you know a woman who was sexually assaulted, chances are very high it happened when she was young …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:19 AM
7

Thank you, I appreciate your sympathy. Sorry for it being a bad answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 12:19 AM
11

Precisely. Thank you for understanding!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 12:05 AM
0

Thank you 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 12:04 AM
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Childhood SA. They were heterosexual pedos. Note: I'm not saying that boys don't get targeted by pedos, I'm just saying the ones that targeted me weren't interested in boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 12:01 AM
3

That's unfortunate for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:14 PM
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First I wouldn't have been abused throughout my childhood by my father/uncle/church elder if I was a boy. They were only interested in the fact I was a girl. So that alone would have made life 50x better. Secondly I've always had more male hobbies, interests, communication type, fashion style. Part of this is likely from being autistic, part from just being a tomboy. My social life would be much easier if I could have always hung out with my guyfriends without having their girlfriends/wives eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:13 PM
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I think that neither men nor women have life on easy mode, or on nightmare mode. Each sex has issues and troubles that affect them more than the other side, which are typically the opposite side of the social coin. I could list various advantages that men generally have, as well as disadvantages they generally have, but they'd be pretty equal to what women go through. That being said, I know my individual life would have been better if I'd been born male.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:39 PM
8

Yes, yes it is. I read the entire first book and half the second. Couldn't even finish the series it was laughably terrible. It's the book version of binge watching Jerry Springer lol. If you want erotica that doesn't read like a 13 year old girl who just finished watching Twilight decided to spend 72 hours on Wattpad describing her "inner goddess" every other page, I recommend sites like Literotica or hell, even Archive of Our Own with the Explicit tag. 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 09:08 PM
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As long as there is ENTHUSIASTIC consent between both sexual partners who cares what they do? Exactly this 👏
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 09:01 PM
0

I don't mean afar like a celebrity. I mean someone you don't have any significant reason to be around/interact with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:47 PM
3

Thank you. And also thanks for asking for that clarification about how I can be against the fat positive movement while still being attracted to an overweight/fat man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 04:32 PM
2

I'm in favor of accepting that various people have different body types...lean, muscular, overweight, skinny, fat, etc. But that isn't how the fat positive crowd is. They tell people, usually women, that being literally obese...not just normal amounts of overweight...is "healthy". They mock those who aren't fat, shame and berate fat women who decide to lose weight, claim that medical problems like diabetes, high blood pressure, joint issues, high cholesterol, etc aren't going to severely and neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 04:10 PM
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Would you consider exclusivity important in a child-free context? I'm very against promiscuity, so yes. In my opinion sexual exclusivity in a committed LTR is a necessity. Now, I understand there's polyamourus people who have a "throuple" instead of a couple, or even a group of 4 adults who are all in some kind of relationship together. Although rare, I'd still consider this a kind of sexual exclusivity since they're not roaming bars and clubs trying to fuck random people in addition to their pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:02 PM
1

Thanks, BMarsh. It's likely the downvotes are from the dudes here who think all women have life handed to them on a golden platter and we never have to work on ourselves whatsoever as human beings. I agree with you that many women are so afraid of rejection they refuse to approach at all. Imo this is just another part of the imbalance of the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:36 PM
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When did you really know it was a crush and not just a fleeing feeling? I'm confused. Isn't this exactly what a crush is? When you're attracted to someone from afar, no real reason for you to ever interact, a temporary feeling of infatuation that fades completely in a couple weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 12:58 PM
2

I like this comment. What do you think is the core of male sexual pain? I have my own idea about this topic based on what my bf has said and requested in the bedroom, but would like to hear your take.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:23 AM
2

This isn't true in the context of just sex/bdsm though. That's for people to do privately, it's not indicative of how the man acts in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:20 AM
1

But men for the most part are able to accept that their women want a little more .... Dominance and lets say "physical impact". Even within the mainstream. Probably due to the history of women being expected to act as such, not just in the bedroom but in every aspect of our lives. I can say from growing up in a very tradcon, very religious community that female submissiveness 24/7 was the norm and reprimanded if you didn't adhere to it. Women for the most part are however unable to maintain resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:15 AM
3

Sorry, still a hard pass. I truly don't believe promiscuity is healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:40 AM
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Because it would lead to the spread of even more STDs, unknown parentage would be rampant, family structures would break up due to dissatisfaction, more people would die from cancers, it would create a significant increase in depression and self-esteem issues, and broaden the current issue between the genders where each views the other as sexually disposable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:28 AM
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Because it would lead to the spread of even more STDs, unknown parentage would be rampant, family structures would break up due to dissatisfaction, more people would die from cancers, it would create a significant increase in depression and self-esteem issues, and broaden the current issue between the genders where each views the other as sexually disposable. Also do you believe everyone would get to be promiscuous? I think we see that's already not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:27 AM
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Extremely doubtful. Why do you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:14 AM
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I don't know why people are promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:13 AM
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I agree. But I'm not envious of promiscuous people, nor do I feel inadequate compared to them. My N is 1 but I could have it up to 25 by the end of this week if I wanted to. I have zero reason to though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:11 AM
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That sounds like a lower tolerance for disgust, not a higher one. If a woman feels like she has to go dust the living room again just 30 minutes after her husband finished that chore it means her tolerance for dirt (or perceived dirt) is lower than his. Tolerance = allowed threshold. She's allowing less dirt to accumulate = her threshold is a lower bar = her tolerance is lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:58 AM
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You're correct regarding the dynamic of my relationship. Okay, so what does this investment of high effort/high energy look like in real life? It sounds like you're describing the difference between traditionalist relationships vs egalitarian ones, not men who want kids vs men who don't. What would effort expenditure look like on a date for an egalitarian man who wants children vs the effort expenditure of a traditional man who wants children?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:48 AM
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For reals, it's like they can't understand how not having the same biological clock may have your timeliness not match. or the other issue of the women already being done with their hoe phase since they were able to start younger, you aren't more mature than the guy just have had more sex and got bored of casual sex already (not to mention the biological difference in men wanting that more). Personally I "slut shame" everyone since imo promiscuity is a net negative for society in general and is …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:43 AM
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For childfree women who are in committed LTRs with childfree men, since our fertility is never used in our lifetime, when does that wall even matter? Our boyfriends/husbands don't care about fertility for either us or themselves. I would say that the true wall for both sexes is sexual attractiveness, and the concept of fertility is just another preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:16 AM
1

Unfortunately the tax benefits are so incredibly small, at least in my state, that it seems silly to do. And if we really wanted we could have a lawyer draw up a contract for our relationship too, but I don't see much point. Maybe someday society will change as you say though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:11 AM
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I think the the first-world is probably a lot better than this, and I think it says something about the power of culture to affect attitudes about sexual violence. Exactly. When you have cultures where atrocities are considered normal and empathy for anyone different than you is a foreign concept, it's incredibly easy for evil behavior to prevail.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:08 AM
1

How does that relate to household duties though? I can't think of any that are "disgusting".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:04 AM
6

It isn't though. Yes, some men are monsters. Most are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:03 AM
1

Why do you think so?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:02 AM
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Shit, I forgot that was the percentage. Yeah, I agree that is quite the racist take.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:42 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:31 AM
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Yeah, I definitely think the person who made that linked comment is an idiot. Possibly a bot, more likely someone who wants to stir shit to the top of the pot. It's easy for these types to shitpost online without any accountability for their words. I do not have any reason to believe the majority of women would agree with this moron. Some would, and that's on them, not on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:31 AM
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Yes, that's why I assume something around 25% now, since that was a number of years ago and society tends to slowly improve in areas of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:14 AM
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I don't think most women consider men in general to be disgusting abhorrent violent monsters. Many of us just know that some men are, often due to abuse suffered in our personal lives. I do have hope for an egalitarian future, but both sexes need to actively work towards it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:01 AM
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Always have been...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 12:41 AM
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Globally, I think it'd be about 40%. In the US where I live, I think only a small percentage of men are capable of violent rape...maybe 5% maximum. But that number goes up to 25% in my opinion if we consider other kinds of rape, such as ""willing"" rape by coercion or statutory rape of mid minors.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 12:40 AM
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Yes. Its a general you. Okay, that makes a lot more sense...since neither of us lied to the other AND we aren't married lol. The problem with breaking up is now we have a life together and kids and a house. (General 'we'). So leaving is far far costlier. Yeah, I really feel horrible for people who are not only married (and thus have to deal with courts if they want to leave) but also have children. The idea of having to go through meetings about visitation, custody, child support, living arrange…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 11:00 PM
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Naw cheating is fine if the sex stops. If it stopped entirely, we'd have to have serious discussions about opening our relationship, or we'd break up. I wouldn't cheat on him behind his back. You can't demand to be the sole provider of something you don't provide. I agree. You weren't honest when you got married about how you were going to be sexually so why should he have to be honest about how he's going to be sexually. Who are you talking about here? Is it a general "you"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:46 PM
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Ah. Well thankfully that's not the case. It would be an absolutely horrible life if every woman thought sex was gross, and if we all hated it. Sex is one of the best things ever 🥰
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:38 PM
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Well you said "all" twice, and it sounds like you're saying that everyone/most people think sex is gross. So that's why I'm confused what you meant to convey. It is actually a sexual issue as much as we all all think sex is gross or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 09:02 PM
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I agree the broader issue is different. I just don't want people to accidentally think he's my husband, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:42 PM
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I agree, but being low libido should be revealed early on no? If it's something the man or woman is aware of at that time, absolutely. Unfortunately it seems most times it occurs after years of being together, and isn't something the low libido partner was expecting either. so many women lead men on with promises of sex, and even sex early on to dry out later usually after commitment. Which is a bit.... manipulative no? Yes, in those cases it is. I personally dont give a fuck about sex, i think …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:40 PM
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I think OP knows it, and makes posts they find entertaining or to stir the pot lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:28 PM
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I was the man in this situation during my marriage (marriage ended because of her drinking though). That sucks, I'm sorry you went through that. I know how hurtful it can be to be rejected, so I never rejected her. My guy has numerous times over the years. Sometimes he's sick, sometimes it's depression, sometimes he's tired or hungry or just not feeling it. I've only rejected him 3 times in 20 years. Once it was covid, once it was a stomach flu, and other time was food poisoning. It hurts to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:24 PM
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Ok i accept , it was cringe Surprisingly not as cringe as I've sometimes been told by random strangers 😅 I mean except the virgin part (where I'd be slightly happier instead of being upset lol ) , i think he did a ritual which you don't know, or atleast i have to do that to........... "Hey mom I'm going to Himalaya tomorrow" Lol well I hope it works, whatever you do 😉 Anyways , again, I'm rooting for you guys, be together forever ❤️ As long as he's around, I'll be by his side 👫🏼
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:08 PM
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Lol he's my boyfriend, we're not interested in marriage since neither of us wants kids. No ritual as far as I know. He just happened to join the same local charity as me, was fun to talk to, single, attractive to me, and he wasn't upset that I was a virgin/wanted to take sex slow. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:38 PM
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You in the same boat lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:34 PM
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I mean, we have 3 bank accounts; the main household one, his alone, and mine alone. Neither of us do any illegal shit. It's not up to me to tell him what to do with his personal money, just like he can't tell me what to do with my personal money. Our only stipulation is we can't use personal funds on something that would affect our home. Like we can't randomly buy a pet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:27 PM
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So the person in the "monogamous" relationship with the higher sex drive should be allowed to bate to their pr0n? Yes. How about to OF creators? Yes. To nudes from their ex? No, because they're your ex and it's likely they wouldn't give consent to you keeping his pictures. To your best friend? No, for the same reason. Maybe just mutual masterbation with others present? If it's your partner, sure. When does it become infidelity? When you're in a sexually exclusive, committed relationship that you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:14 PM
1

How?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:50 PM
1

Not vegan, but I'm a strict vegetarian (have been for 28 years) and my boyfriend is a normal omnivore like most people. When we cook, its easy to just substitute fake meat or a different kind of protein for me, and make his with meat. 3x a week we've begun to do vegetarian meals to help with his cholesterol though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:47 PM
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Usually. Not always. In mine it's the man who does. But in either situation, it's not fair for the low libido partner to dictate the sex drive of the higher libido partner. We should be able to take care of ourselves when our partners are unwilling to/unable to, so long as it doesn't involve cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:48 PM
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Doubtful
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:46 PM
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No, that's ridiculous. I have a much higher libido than my boyfriend. I use porn, and to a lesser extent erotica, as an outlet for my sexual needs that he's not able to satisfy. There's no good reason to put that level of pressure on the lower libido partner, because they won't be able to keep up and it'll just breed resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:17 PM
1

Where did the 20% go...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:22 PM
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You're one of the incredibly small minority of men who think so. I agree with u/Financial_Leave4411 I've never even been interested in marriage, but when I was still in the dating pool it took 6 years of constant dating to find ONE man who was fine with starting a relationship without having sex on or before date 4. Otherwise you get ghosted for being "frigid" or "prudish" or "asexual"...or if it's a guy who has some redpill tendencies, they'll try to guilt you into sharing your virginity to "pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:15 PM
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Even if this was true the first few times, at some point it cannot be. The idea of someone better always being the next one...then the next...then the next...just can't keep going forever. At some point there is nobody better, because humans aren't like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:54 PM
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The first one is more speculation from observation, the second one has a study backing it in housework duties. What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:51 PM
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I've only been in one relationship, and unless he gets a severe brain injury that completely alters his personality, I can't think of anything that could possibly make me leave him. Nothing. Knowing that he's very likely to die before me can even make me tear up a little at times. So I don't have any personal experience with what you are describing. From what I can tell of other women leaving men they've been with for years, it could be that you're only seeing the happy, good parts of their rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 01:55 PM
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I do think it's possible, but only if you and your partner truly care about each other as both lovers and individuals, with numerous hobbies, interests, and values that you share. If you acknowledge each other's minor differences, accept them just as much as they accept you, and know that you'll both change in small ways as you age, that's the recipe for success.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 12:57 PM
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Top comment for a reason 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:43 AM
3

She's like the worst version of masculine possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:39 AM
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Women build confidence in ourselves too...or at least we should. I don't think we'd be able to have anything close to a decent life if we didn't have confidence in ourselves. It's a human trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:19 AM
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I’ve come to this conclusion, from the total other end of the spectrum. I’ve always had a supreme sense of self confidence, self belief and self control. I learned very early on, that if I wanted nice things in life, I was responsible for it. I learned the same thing as a teenager, that if I wanted safety, love, more education, and other nice things in life then I had to procure them myself. Like you said, obtaining those is my responsibility, nobody else's. Confidence isn’t built by others. It’…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:18 AM
5

Yet another reason for everyone to get off of dating apps. Women and men alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:10 AM
1

Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:08 AM
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I'm in favor of porn as well as things like drag, burlesque, lingerie shows, etc. so am looking forward to seeing how your posts go.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:29 PM
5

I said he's not conventionally attractive, since most women don't go for overweight/plump men. But he's attractive to me, and that's what matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:24 PM
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I wish I could have found men who would wait. It took so long.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:22 PM
2

I apologize 😔
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:13 PM
2

No moreso than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:12 PM
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I think I'm just like this because I'm more masc brained from being autistic. If it's not that, then I really don't know why. I've always been like this. I can definitely say it has nothing to do with my upbringing though, because in that case I'd hate men and think they were revolting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:01 PM
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Yes, but it's usually portrayed as a malicious or manipulative action on the part of the woman, like we're all cackling secretly to ourselves about "denying" men sex. If the conversation just revolved around acknowledging we're typically shorter, physically weaker, and thus more vulnerable during sex then that would be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:57 PM
2

Well, that is very sad for them. And for men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:26 PM
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It doesn't matter if you believe me. I'm telling the truth. I used to find about 70% of men physically attractive enough, and still do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:26 PM
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I don't visit those subs very often, so I'll take your word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:25 PM
2

I wouldn't anymore. I did it when I was younger out of desperation and because it was recommended by redpill men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:24 PM
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Not the person you were talking to, but in the interest of having genuine conversations, I'd like to comment. Your argument is that women don't slowly stop desiring sex in relationships? It's a really old trope, and maaaany men have lived it. But it would be a pt against your team so...Nope, doesn't happen. I've spoken with women who openly admit they truly became asexual after X number of years of marriage, either from hormonal changes, bodily fluctuations after childbirth, losing attraction to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:24 PM
3

Didn't the last few polls on the main deadbedroom sub show that it's a slight majority women? Iirc it was something like 60/40 or 55/45?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:37 PM
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Thank you 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:34 PM
3

No? How would not being sure someone is a man or a woman have anything to do with their autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:32 PM
2

True. I just don't think they are lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:15 PM
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Yeah, they just have some really bizarre posts though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:47 PM
8

Frankly, I'm not even sure OP is a woman, much less genuinely blue pill...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:09 PM
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Or have you ever experienced an average looking guy be a great lover and had great sex despite he didn’t look like a model? This is my one and only experience, yes. My guy isn't conventionally attractive, and I know some women would disqualify him automatically because of his weight, but he's a sex god.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:00 PM
2

It's really not that bad lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:53 PM
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Lol I've had that happen a few times, where I'll think a conversation is over but then the guy taps me on the shoulder or quick walks to catch up with me to talk more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:02 PM
0

Ah, okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:34 PM
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That's it. I'm exchanging information, not entertaining him and he's not expected to entertain me. With a woman I'm trying to be 'on', keeping her interested by being witty or funny Do you do this with all women, or just one's you want to date? Wondering because I talk to a lot of random men but it's usually just information exchange. I would find it weird if it was flirty and then the guy switched to normal, but going from normal to flirting makes a lot more sense and would be natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:23 PM
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I'd give them a terrible review wherever possible. Yelp, Google business page, TripAdvisor and other tourist sites, even write a small anonymous blurb for your local newspaper in the social section. If they're going to be that misandric and unfair to their customers, they deserve to be dragged in all available public areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:09 PM
0

Are you going to pursue any legal action? Like something regarding defamation or misrepresentation?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:05 PM
1

Dude I think I only see maybe 2 men a week who are that tall. She is limiting her dating pool to a ridiculous extent for no reason. Like I'm 5'7 and for me a 6'0 guy is too tall. You say she's in her early 40s like me, what was she like when younger? Did she still want extremely big men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:03 PM
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Dude I think I only see maybe 2 men a week who are that tall. She is limiting her dating pool to a ridiculous extent for no reason. Like I'm 5'7 and for me a 6'0 guy is too tall. You say she's in her early 40s like me, what was she like when younger? Did she still want extremely big men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:03 PM
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Yes, I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:24 AM
1

You think 70% of men are Chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:04 AM
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I'm 42 also, but I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I've pretty much always found about 70% of men physically attractive, and that hasn't changed as I've gotten older.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:59 AM
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That's really interesting, though also very sad. I can't imagine what that's like, finding so many people in your everyday life unattractive to look at. I do understand how traits can be unattractive, but most of those you can't see just walking past people on the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:37 AM
1

Wait, so are men invisible to these women, or are they less than human? Those are 2 different things. Both terrible, but still different.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:32 AM
1

What kind of environment are you in that she could say this without any witnesses?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:18 AM
0

If that's the case, what do these kinds of women view men as?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:14 AM
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Are you exaggerating for effect, or you truly find 99% of men unattractive? If true, what makes that many people so unattractive to the point of "don't bother"? I find about 70% of men attractive (in varying degrees of course, not like all 70% are 9s) so I'm wondering what it is about the male body you don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:12 AM
1

Interesting. How did you both decide to first enter into these groups?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:50 PM
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I trust my male friends because they have proven themselves worthy of that trust. I will never again trust my male family members. There is a very good reason I haven't seen them for 25 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:46 PM
1

Is she fucking other men while watching too? Or is it not that kind of orgy/all together swinging?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:05 PM
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I've never heard this word prior to today, but likely because the woman being cucked is older. So a "queen". Adding the "ette" to the word denotes younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:04 PM
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I was super confused too, but then in another reply OP said that this difference in general male vs female strength is why he thinks fem-dom or female led bdsm can't actually exist...Because according to him, the sole way he'd ever submit to a woman is if she physically forced him to. Which is problematic in that there's definitely some women on the planet who are physically stronger than OP, but also not at all how consensually submitting to one's sex partner for power play funtime goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:01 PM
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This is the best observation so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 05:56 PM
2

Whoa, that does sound complex. I'll have to go check it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:36 PM
1

I haven't heard of that program yet. What's the basic synopsis?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:03 PM
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Absolutely, that's a really good point too! It's such a gross idea, that we women dislike sex so much that we're literally using it as nothing more than a carrot or prize to dangle in front of men for...whatever. I guess the possibility of free food or something? And even that's only for women who don't split the bill in the first place. If you're like me and a few of the other women here, we're going dutch from date number one, so it's not like we are holding out for meals lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:56 PM
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A lot of people on this sub are from the US, which has a heck of a lot of Christians.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:09 PM
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I'm from the United States. Very rural, very upstate NY specifically. Raised as Jehovah Witness, but I left that faith when I was 17, and have been an atheist from age 20 onwards. I'm white and I guess you could say my family had a minor subculture of German/Hungarian since that's our ancestry, but not really anything of note. I always find it weird to see it phrased as "making men wait". In my opinion it's bizarre to share something as special, intimate, and inherently emotionally and physicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 01:58 PM
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My feminine energy is a bit higher than my masculine one. I crave all those things you mentioned. But what I crave even more is to shower a potential partner with those. I feel like I love to give more than I take. That's a wonderful mindset, but be cautious. It can accidentally lead you to giving more of yourself than is truly healthy. It's something I struggle with, so this advice is coming from a place of experience. Give freely and lovingly, but don't lose yourself, if that makes sense. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 01:08 PM
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Women constantly talk about the danger of internalized misogyny and yet the second one of their own dares to have a different opinion than the mass media corporate feminist goyslop their brains run on, they go from girls support girls to “shut the fuck up and go get raped and die in a ditch somewhere you dirty fucking whore.” ...it's almost scary how close you got to one of the messages I received earlier this year. Like not exactly word for word, but damn did you get super freaking close to it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 01:00 PM
1

What about when you were younger?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 12:05 PM
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Well, I'm a straight woman and I neither hold these views nor have I ever seen research showing that "bisexual men are more deviant". More deviant how? In what way? Are bi women also sexually deviant? Who has determined this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:37 AM
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I wish I knew, man, just as I wish men like you were more plentiful too. Like you, I'm not religious (atheist really) and that in itself means a lot of people assume that sexual history isn't important to us. Maybe it's mostly a US dilemma, but have you also found that when women find out you're not religious they automatically assume you're into hookups/generally down for casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:22 AM
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I've often wondered if this is a factor in it. Like if one's general mindset and relationship goals (whether nature, nurture, or combo) is to be "feminine", aka receiving, protected, provided for, gentle, soft, pampered a bit, etc then that's what you'll be trying to get from your partner. Since the "masculine" mindset is the exact opposite side of the coin, and that's what I do my best to embrace and embody, is that the difference? Note that I don't believe it's impossible for specifically femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:13 AM
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True, and thank you. I do present these qualities in a masculine frame however, not a feminine one. Throughout my life I've done my best to give a vibe of "laid back easy to speak to dude". If you were able to see my body language and hear my voice, you'd understand 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:36 AM
3

That's so bizarre. I've never in my life been accused of being "feminine" before. Quite the opposite. What traits are you seeing as such?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:28 AM
2

I'll agree with this 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:27 AM
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Ironically, I'm not feminine. Like...at all. I don't look it, but I'm a very masc woman. Similarly, he doesn't present as such, but my boyfriend is a fairly femme man. If you saw us on the street you'd assume we were a masculine man and feminine woman, but as for our relationship dynamic and personal gender roles, we're opposite lol. I will agree with you that my man is fantastic tho. 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:25 AM
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There's really no valid reason for a woman to refuse to date a bisexual man. Any of the reasons ultimately come down to homophobia and bigotry, which is what this post is about. Yes, precisely this. I've yet to encounter a woman who gets the "ick" from knowing a potential boyfriend has been with other men, without it being an inherently homophobic reason. My bf doesn't identify as bi, but he did experiment with a couple dudes in his high school days, before figuring out he's really just into wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:44 AM
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Uh...what? Where on earth did you hear that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:31 AM
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I know we don't always agree on things, but I'm with you on this one. The only people I've ever received what I'll call "wishes of harm" from are other women. In all my years on reddit, men have sent me a ridiculous amount of dick pics, various body pics asking me to rate them, requests for humiliation/degrading comments, requests for sexual role plays, and many, many stories about their lives in general asking for comfort or reassurance. But I've never gotten a threat or wish of harm from a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:27 AM
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You nailed it, bullseye, hole in one. This is why even though I'm a strongly left leaning woman, I've never been a feminist. Even in college, with them constantly walking around campus trying to talk to everyone they thought had a vagina to promote their admittedly giant club, I always got into disagreements with them. I wish I could be proven wrong, but unfortunately in my experience feminists keep showing...both irl and online...that their ideology is not about equality for all. It truly is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:16 AM
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I'd assume it's slightly easier to find egalitarian men. Still not ridiculously easy, not as if you throw a pillow into a crowd and hit 20 equalist men. But still think there's more men willing to live 50/50 in relationships vs women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 08:55 AM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 08:53 AM
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Yup! Despite the hatred that age gap relationships receive here, we're celebrating our 20th "anniversary" in October.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:05 PM
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So what could society do to have more women and men adopt an egalitarian mindset?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 06:34 PM
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Ah, I see what you mean. In my opinion, that wouldn't be a problem if things were better between the sexes. It should mean we're not dating/marrying men for survival anymore...only for companionship, love, and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 06:25 PM
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Thanks, and I'm sorry you went through some shit too. My parents were monsters, pure and simple. Although life was extremely hard after being kicked out of their house, it was so much better than remaining in that environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 05:02 PM
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Like they're lesbians?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 03:47 PM
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I agree with you but real life is not like that for men. Women don’t want 50/50 especially in the courting phase which most of these sad guys on reddit still haven’t broken threw yet. Correct, for most men it will be difficult and require a lot of vetting on his part if he wants to find a woman who believes in going 50/50. We're out there but it's not a common mindset unfortunately. We have done well at getting rid of patriarchal expectations for women but the patriarchal expectations for men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:48 PM
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Absolutely. How long have you been looking, and what's been holding you back?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:45 PM
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We can say some women, but anyone who's had experience with women can tell you that despite all the talk, no one wants us sticking to traditional gender roles when it benefits then like women do. Even the most progressive girls I've dated and hung out with, still want a provider man to act like daddy and take care of them. This is why it's better to judge people based on their actions, not their words. It's easy for a woman to say she's progressive or anti traditional gender roles, but when the …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:36 AM
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Lol absolutely. If a dude in his soft guy era is looking for a mommy, then women who want the same thing are looking for a daddy. It's hypocritical to say otherwise, despite what the hardcore redpillers say about "it's not hypocritical, men and women just want different things in a partner".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:22 AM
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Imo it just shows that women with this mentality are still in a juvenile mindset, and haven't fully grown up yet. They want to be protected, pampered, and provided for like you would a young child, not an equal partner with the same responsibilities. At that point they're not even gold diggers, just sugar babies. In a truly healthy relationship, imo, both the man and woman should feel pampered from time to time. In fair amounts too, 50/50 or as realistically close as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:04 AM
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Thank you, that's kind to say. In my personal experience, I tried dating from age 17-23 without any luck whatsoever. By this, I mean I was a virgin who knew she absolutely didn't want to be sexual except within a committed relationship. Casual sex and hookups were never an option for me, the entire idea of it is gross imo. So even from that early age, I understood I should be vetting for a man who'd also be solely interested in having a committed LTR. Much easier said than done, as the overwhelm…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 10:52 AM
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u/kaffeetasse22 Before I spend time answering, are you interested in hearing about the years of dating issues from an older member? Or do you only want to hear from women currently in their 20s dating now?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 09:51 AM
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I was referring to Jehovah Witnesses, Evangelicals, and Mormons. They aren't nearly as marginalized or condemned as much as they should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 09:48 AM
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Why is it always either the attractive, or the rich degenerates that are chosen by women? Why is it never the short, bald, broke degenerates? Fwiw, if you watch more than just the main headline true crime documentaries, there's no shortage whatsoever of murdering/abusive dudes who are precisely that. For people who don't watch any crime shows, yeah you're only gonna know about the Chris Watts or Scott Petersons of the world because those make the national news. But there's so, so many monsters o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 09:28 AM
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And in certain religious/conservative communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 09:10 AM
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So then both I and u/swimmingwhales were wrong, it seems. In that case, I personally prefer lower average to below average sizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:50 PM
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Well by definition my current man is the best, since he's only "competing" with himself lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:49 PM
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Likewise! Most people don't assume upon first speaking with me that I'm autistic, but I was diagnosed by 2 different doctors, once in 4th grade and again in 7th grade. It really is a spectrum...but I'm sure you've also learned to mask well by now too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 04:02 PM
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Oh absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 03:21 PM
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Average in the US is about 5 to 5.5 inches. That's what I mean. I've only ever had sex with my boyfriend, he's 5 inches. It's a perfect size for me, and judging by the toys I've kept vs the ones I've thrown away for being too painful or uncomfortable, my body really can't handle more than 6 inches and still be pleasurable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 01:50 PM
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In my experience, girls and women have a more difficult time accepting other women who are different and awkward, especially if you don't understand or often forget social cues, or phrase things too bluntly or without the correct tone of voice. For someone like me, a moderately autistic woman who used to be an even more autistic girl, it's easy to understand why we generally have more male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 01:43 PM
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Really? Never? It must be the different social circles we move in. Amongst the gamers and gothic types I hang with, it's pretty normal to see average or skinny women with fluffy/bigger men. Like not obese...I'm not talking about dudes who belong on a TLC program. But extra pounds with visible bellies and thick plump legs are definitely aplenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 01:29 PM
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Fwiw, some women do just have a preference for plump, overweight, fluffy dudes. However you want to label it, a bigger man simply does it for us in a way that muscular, lean, and skinny men don't. Using myself as an example, I'm 42 years old, childfree, 5'7 and 145 lbs/size 7. I exercise daily to keep myself in decent shape because that's the body I want for myself. My boyfriend is 55, also childfree (so not technically a dadbod lol), 5'10 and 240 lbs with a nice round belly, big thighs, and nic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 10:13 AM
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First off, he's not a bad looking guy by any means. Although he isn't my type and I don't find him particularly attractive on a personal level, I'm also able to see how he'd be able to appeal to a lot of other women. So it's not like he's the modern day Ron Jeremy. Secondly, given that these celebrity women are known for their excessive, flamboyant, and hyper materialistic lifestyles is it any surprise that they'd also be potential "size queens"? They've had sex with far more men than the averag…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 09:58 AM
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I'm sure some of us are on dating apps, though speaking personally like never had luck using them. Imo there's no comparison to meeting people in person through groups or Meetups so you already have things in common. Are there any clubs on campus that pique your interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 09:45 AM
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That's really interesting. I had a similar experience, but reversed. I never felt that I could be myself around my female friends, only my male ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 09:40 AM
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Oh no. Praying for you guys🙏🏾 Hope things go well. When you explained the dynamic in your relationship, I liked it so much. Please stay together. I know sometimes there will be some frictions, but I just hope you guys will stay strong together.💜 It'll all be okay! I don't know. It is just me I guess. But if a woman shoter than me rejected me just because I am not 6'4, I would not even think that she is hypocritical. To me it is just what she is attracted to. What floats her boat. It is her prefe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 10:22 PM
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Yes, absolutely. It always takes a long time and years of trust to have good men open up to you about their true emotions. Hell, even after more than a decade or two you will still learn new things about them. I recently learned something about my bf just yesterday.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:45 PM
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Well...yeah, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:17 PM
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That is great. I am fine. Thank you. How is Mr. Egalitarian? He's doing okay, all things considered. We're working on a rough patch in our relationship but I know things will eventually get better. I do not agree. People can have preferences. Of course. But some preferences are hypocritical. If it is not hypocritical from a short woman to want a tall man, while she herself is SHORT I do think that short women who want ridiculously tall men are hypocritical. Like damn, lady. You're 5'2 yet refuse…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:16 PM
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That's awesome, man. Keep up with those savings. It's worth it for the little peace of mind you get from knowing you can rely on your own funds if shit hits the fan. I currently have $10k in savings, $26k in Acorns/stocks, and about $50k in an IRA. My business is currently worth about $150k as well. But I'm only 42...planning on working for at least another 10 years, so those amounts will turn into much better numbers by then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:05 PM
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As someone who also loves organized data, spreadsheets, categorizing information, etc I found it really interesting. Also, holy shit, he makes $300k a year??? I could never date a dude with that kind of money but I'm honestly surprised he's having trouble finding sugar babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:59 PM
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Personally I find they tend to be gross because of how often they throw other men under the bus, talking so badly about their own sex that you begin to wonder if they're dealing with some insane levels of self-hatred. That, and I'm not a feminist, so it's not an ideology I really care for in it's current state/usage.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:56 PM
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I'm doing alright. You? While I do think it's hypocritical to want a virgin partner if one is a slut, I don't think it's hypocritical to be a very low N person wanting a virgin. Like if he said that he'd had 150 sex partners but wanted a woman who never had sex...yeah, that's hypocritical. Can't get any more "strict rules for thee but none for me" than that. But if he'd said he had N of only 1 or 2, both from committed relationships, and wanted a virgin gf, that's not so bad. I can understand it…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:52 PM
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That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:53 PM
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That's good. You have a decent chance of finding someone then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:50 PM
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There is a big difference between "women who date" vs "women who date around a lot".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:23 PM
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Ah, then that makes a lot of sense. How old are you, and are you religious?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:31 PM
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How are you defining "alpha" and "beta" in this scenario? And are you asking us to describe how we as individuals act, or are you asking how we've seen other women acting?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 11:43 AM
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Why? Are you a virgin too?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 11:05 AM
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Any Some girls who date will go through an incredible ho phase that the average man cannot comprehend. FIFY
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 10:30 AM
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But currently there is only a way to tell virgin or not virgin. There is no guaranteed way to tell if someone is a virgin. Im sure many men dont really care if a woman as a virgin or just had a few committed relationships that didnt work out because their exes were aholes, but since its easy to fake it, can you blame men for playing it safe and preferring the virgin if all else is equal? So long as they understand that there's women who also prefer the guy be a virgin/low N, then yeah, they're a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 10:15 AM
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True, but then you keep vetting by casually mentioning past relationships and trips, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:57 PM
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The most based opinion on this sub today.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:13 PM
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There's no easy way to find us, you just have to vet for that trait, same as a woman who wants a low N man has to vet for it. But there's a few "tells" you can use, especially via social media, that would help you at least get an idea of whether someone typically sleeps around or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:09 PM
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That makes sense then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:12 PM
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Ah, that is where we differ. I wouldn't date a high N man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:57 PM
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That's a fair general assessment on the face of things. If you met a low N woman who was atheist, liberal, and sensual/sexually adventurous, would her low count be a deal breaker?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:51 PM
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Clearly it isn't as big of a deal for you, though I have my doubts that this situation doesn't weigh on your mind slightly Why would it? But the way you phrased that made it seem like you prefer a broke guy to a rich guy, which I doubt is true of basically anyone male or female. If by "broke" you mean a man who refuses to work or contribute to his household or community in any way, I do not have any use for such a person. But if by "broke" you simply mean a man who is unemployed because he and I…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:18 PM
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I've been with my bf for almost 20 years and he was unemployed for part of that time, on 2 separate occasions. We got through it fine because I'm very good at budgeting my own resources, and when we combined them later I still manage the shared account. I work 2 jobs and already make about $20,000 more than him, despite him being significantly older. I've offered to alter our budgeting so that he can retire early and be a "househusband", but he declines. So long as I can afford to keep us living…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:59 PM
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Thank you. I only say it because I believe it's true. I can't imagine a random, average sex worker being able to satisfy my boyfriend the way I do. Part of it is because I cherish him and want to make him feel as good as possible. The other part is because I've learned every inch of his body over the years, inside and out, and that knowledge can't be replicated in just a meaningless session or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:54 PM
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How to find a low N woman? Or how to tell if a woman is low N?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:56 PM
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Always nice to see a comment from you, EF. I appreciate your contributions to discussions. Thank you, same here. I like the fair way you approach these topics. Again, these are just my experiences dating women but the desire for a man to make at least as much money as his partner seems to represent "ambition" and "drive". Do they adhere to this strictly, or with some leeway, in your experience? For example, if the woman makes $85k would it typically be a deal breaker if the man makes $76-80k? Or…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:53 PM
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Yeah you're right. Also acts of love don't always require buying stuff. So even then relationships don't require consumption to exist. Exactly. Having sex is free, other than buying some kind of oil giving your partner a massage is free, listening to his problems or emotionally supporting him through conversations and love is free, hugs are free, taking a walk in the woods or on the beach together is free. So on, so forth. As an undesirable single male people like me probably make up the excepti…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:34 PM
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Exactly this. OP has tried to link the very act of dating with the unnecessary usage of energy (Electricity? Fossil fuels?), but nothing he's mentioned so far has anything to do with romantic relationships specifically. It's just an issue of living in a capitalist society...yes, dating is an aspect of that for many people, but so is having friends, creating neighborhoods, using any kind of mechanical transportation. Just like, every aspect of existing as a non mountain hermit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:10 PM
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I guess you could argue that maintaining a relationship requires consumption (buying gifts, cars, clothes, dinners) that aren't necessary for survival but are considered acts of love by the receiver who is usually the woman. All of those things are consumed/purchased by single people too though. Without any romantic or sexual relationships in life, individuals still need clothes, food, and transportation. Most people aren't living life as monks or nuns with vows of poverty either, so buying ones…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:05 PM
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So how can a woman ethically date? How can a man ethically date?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:39 PM
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Well to me 6'4 is a significant negative lol. But yes, if a man has some normal negative physical qualities and some normal positive physical qualities, then depending on what traits are more important to that woman, it will balance out. Of course, some things...like body type preference...are not as likely to be overlooked or "swapped", but smaller things can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:33 AM
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I agree. Although to some of the guys on PPD, even women like myself with only 1 lifetime sex partner, is "too much" lol. Obviously many are okay with women who have 2-3, but I've personally come across a bunch who say any woman who isn't virgin isn't a valid potential for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:27 AM
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That makes sense and shows you have standards. Personally that's exactly how I feel about men too, I didn't want to be the backup good girl after he had a slutty past. Vet for a low N woman, who has only had sex when in a committed relationship, rather than a promiscuous and high N woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:21 AM
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According to many dudes here, we non promiscuous women who don't engage in casual sex are nonexistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:15 AM
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Just because one is horny doesn't mean one has to be promiscuous though. You can absolutely feel sexually needy and lustful without sleeping around with multiple people. It's quite possible to use that intense sexual drive as a strong motivator to find one special long-term partner to fuck instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:06 AM
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Absolutely this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:01 AM
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That's good. I'm glad you're not one of those AWALT/AMALT people. That just shuts down every point of conversation. Fwiw, for your anecdotal data, for me it is neither a turn off or a deal breaker, if a man earns half what I do. For all I care, he could be a homemaker so long as I make enough to support us both. I've offered that option to my boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:58 AM
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Yeah... Just lately it's gotten me wondering if talking here is worth it. It's like being on a forum for people to complain about their cars constantly failing or needing repairs every few dozen miles, when my own car works perfectly 95% of the time. And for the 5% that does need work, I just get told it's not a problem that even occurs, so it's not as if there's any advice to be found.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:53 AM
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Do you think your sex/head game is better than an experienced sex worker? Better than the average sex worker? Yes, absolutely I think I'm better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:25 AM
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Can't say. Personally speaking, I've never casually fucked anyone and the only man I've ever had sex with would be classified as a beta by redpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:23 AM
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Honestly this is why I've been commenting here less. I don't have any double standards for men and constantly hearing about the ones other people do, or might have, is tiresome. It's not like I can do anything about what actions others take, and it doesn't affect my own relationship at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:20 AM
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I don’t even think I’ll ever have kids and I’ve still spent the past 16 years doing the math over and over again in my head. Why would you waste the mental energy doing this if you're on the side of remaining childfree? I find that confusing, ngl. Like, I'm a 42 year old childfree woman who's had a period every month since I was 8 years old. I decided when I was 16 that I absolutely, permanently, never wanted children and have never found a reason to budge from that. As such, I've also never spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:12 AM
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And for those of us who don't want a man with money?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:03 AM
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You acknowledge that outliers exist, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:02 AM
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I always assumed that being childfree was one of the two reasons I don't give a damn about a man's income.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:01 AM
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I don't care about my boyfriend's money, and make a decent amount more than him, but part of that is us being permanently childfree. If we were going to have a family I'd either want him to make roughly the same or be a SAHD so we never had to use a daycare.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 08:03 PM
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Okay. So you'd be cool dating a guy who makes $70k, but not $50k, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:46 PM
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How much do you make?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:24 PM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:55 AM
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u/Muscletov is also assuming that only the most conventionally attractive top men are going to be perceived as sexually appealing enough for us to orgasm with him. This is untrue, as there's many types of masculine beauty and many women will continue to find non-model body type men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:55 AM
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A man isn't in the "bottom half" just because he makes less.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:47 AM
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As you say, for women interested in short term relationships. But for those of us who were vetting for LTRs as early as our very early 20s, that's a whole different kettle of fish.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:46 AM
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True, these parameters are good enough for the majority of women in middle-class or lower, which is the bulk of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:44 AM
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With our continued reliance on technology, and the elimination of many basic jobs due to robots/self use machines, the dropping birth rates are a good thing. We're well on our way to having a society that doesn't require nearly as many workers in the first place, so it's actually preferable we see less population in the upcoming decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:42 AM
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This is why it's so important for men to vet for women who don't care about his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:33 AM
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I don't go in for all this "status" crap, but imo the blue collar guy who owns his own business is a better choice. I also own my own business and it would make sense to pair up with a man who understands the long hours, dedication, and perseverance it takes to make your dream a reality. It would mean more in common, essentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:29 AM
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Why would the fact he makes $50k or is blue collar be such a huge negative in your eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:23 AM
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Good for those people...?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:20 AM
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While that certainly does happen, there's also the fact that low or no libido men exist. I'd be willing to believe some of the women are lying about how things went in their bedrooms, but I don't believe that's the case for the majority of accounts. For example, in the decades my boyfriend and I have been together, I've said no to sex a total of 3 times. Each of which was because I was horribly sick (we didn't live together yet so he didn't know). He has said no to sex more than 125 times total,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 08:42 PM
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It's an awesome gift for sure!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 08:14 PM
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Truth. I think that while hypergamy is more likely in women, not all of us are hypergamous. And obviously a decent amount of men are, as you know lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 08:13 PM
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No, it's the fact I'm not in a relationship with you. I'm really not sure what you think you're proving here?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 06:15 PM
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Eh, I was looking at it from the age gap perspective, not the sexual past perspective, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:33 PM
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That's very rational of you. Something rarely found on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:32 PM
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Fair, although you admit outliers exist in both these camps, yes? Like there are a minority of women who care more about the libido, sexuality, intimacy, etc that their male partner can provide for them, but don't give a damn about his income or credit score. Likewise there are a minority of men who care much less about sex and more about the ease of life a financially successful and generous female partner can provide to him. Not to the point that these levels of care are zero, just that they'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:40 PM
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OP specifically said: They weren't gf/bf just casually dating and fucking. Since they weren't treating or thinking of each other as boyfriend and girlfriend, it's casual sex. Sounds like fwb, nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:17 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:53 PM
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Fair enough. In my experience, it will only hurt the relationship if they're against either age gaps or casual sex. Otherwise I don't see why it'd be an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:50 PM
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Is it? I thought OP was trying to just ragebait the women who are severely against age gap relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:23 PM
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Yes, that's why I said "some", not "all". I wasn't the one in this conversation attempting to paint every woman with the same brush.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:21 PM
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She sounds like a complete narcissist tbh. There's something not right about this woman, to treat others in such callous ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:20 PM
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Alright then. Given those answers, I'd consider this to be a red flag, due to the casual sex. I'm not interested in hookups/FWB at all and don't want to be with a man who engages in that. Her age doesn't matter to me because she's a legal adult who can make her own decisions on who to sleep with, just like he is. But knowing they were nothing more than fuck buddies and he was never seriously dating her or loved her or even seemingly cared much about her as a potential LTR partner is a hard stop …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:17 PM
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That there was a baseline of good faith in human interactions. Fair enough. I lost that when I was 9. In a way it sounds nice you were able to keep believing that up until your mid 20s, but it does show (in my opinion) that you have had a blissfully sheltered life. Like I'm not even sure someone with your mentality ever watched the evening news... As for the rest of your story, this particular woman absolutely sounds like a mental dumpster fire, and I wouldn't remain in any kind of contact with …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:11 PM
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I'd have a few questions about their relationship before making any judgments. First of all, how did they meet. Secondly, what attracted him to her as a girlfriend. Third, what attracted her to him as a boyfriend. Fourth, what was the specific reason they broke up other than the vague "age difference" comment. Did she say/do something, did he, did something happen in one of their families, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:06 PM
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It’s not bs like I am fit successful young man and got into this situation and it’s been a tornado thru my worldviews. What was your previous worldview? A plain reading of what occurred would lead me to conclude that the baseline is that most women are what would classified as sociopathic I don't think most of us are sociopathic, and its certainly not the baseline for an entire half of our species. We'd have been an evolutionary dead end if that was the case. But you're correct that some women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:59 PM
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My bf isn't as into videogames as I am, but in the same vein as that, I got him a "bouquet" that I made out of kabob stick taped to his favorite small candies/his favorite sample size whiskeys and bourbons, and exotic jerky sticks. He was wowed by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:36 PM
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It sounds like you're only talking about the second type of dynamic I mentioned, not both. I would agree that what you have said here in your comment is indeed a kind of evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:35 PM
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I don't actually think such an agreement would be binding or something that could be upheld in a court of law.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:30 PM
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Holy shit. I met some feminists irl when I was back in college, who used to say they were only dating men because they "were forced to find other women unattractive by the Patriarchy". I had always assumed this was a weird thing that group had come up with from struggling with their bisexuality. I had no idea that this was a thing that a bunch of other people believed too. Wow. Although now I wonder if some of these women are members here too...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:28 PM
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Only because you said "us REAL men", meaning you acknowledge there's men who you don't think are truly masculine/good representatives of manliness. So I'll rephrase for you: If there is a very low libido man who doesn't want sex more than once every 6 months, but his wife wants sex twice a week every week, would you say she should stay in that relationship despite not having her sexual needs met? Just a yes or no is all I'm looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:18 PM
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CompHet? What is that? Y'know, I think I will.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:12 PM
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Kinda off topic, but I'm always amazed by the sheer spectrum of beliefs on this sub. There's guys like you who think women want sex just as much as men, then there's guys who think all women are totally asexual and we force ourselves to have sex every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:11 PM
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If you're in a relationship where you're asking the internet questions about how to think about what your partner did, then you're probably not in category 1. Truest words on the internet today 👍 I don't know how common that is, sadly Fair enough. Maybe that would make a good post for both sexes. Or even worse, they don't why they're with you at all. Dude, that'd actually be a bit scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:07 PM
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You don't know how to answer the question of "do women deserve sex in a committed relationship"? Seriously? Like the concept of hypotheticals is over your head? I find that incredibly difficult to believe, that you have zero imagination or ability to think of atypical situations. I've never met an adult of average or even slightly below average IQ who couldn't do that. If I asked you what would you do to prepare for a zombie apocalypse, you'd just say "zombies aren't real so I can't answer that"…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:04 PM
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...I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Is lawyer role-play a thing on reddit now?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:58 AM
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Sure, there are ugly men and women who would cheat if given the chance. That's why you vet for other factors too, not just looks. Like you vet for a low N man who doesn't sleep around much, who has the same values regarding loyalty and commitment, a similar libido, etc. My original comment wasn't about ugly men anyway. It was about men who are not conventionally attractive, or are attractive to you but not as many other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:57 AM
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But in general, you should stay away from any kind of "What kind of guy are you into" conversations with someone you're in a relationship with if you don't want to get your feelings hurt. Hmmm, I'd say it depends on the dynamic of your relationship. Do both of you know you're mutually attractive to each other, or is there any possibility your partner doesn't really think you're attractive? If it's the first option, you're safe talking about the type of person you/they find most attractive since …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:52 AM
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Good. That makes at least 2 reasonable men on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:42 AM
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Can you please answer the question before moving onto a different topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:41 AM
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Only in some circumstances. This is generally not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:41 AM
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TLDR: Hypergamy is not about “dating up” per se. It’s about a man providing a value-add to her life when it comes to tangible and emotional “security” and “stability.” Using this definition, many men are hypergamous too then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:17 AM
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Precisely this. If a woman who meets all her other needs herself is dating purely to have an attractive partner and nothing else, then using this definition there's a shit ton of hypergamous men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:15 AM
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Where do you get that number from?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:12 AM
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u/IcyTrapezium is hardly the only woman to have this happen to her. Go check out the deadbedroom sub or the HLcommunity sub. Both are filled with women who haven't had sex in months or years because those women's husbands misrepresented their libidos and essentially pulled a bait and switch.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:11 AM
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Not IcyT, but many women care about sex for the same reasons men who aren't you care about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:08 AM
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I'm curious, do you think the reverse is also true? Or are you one of those here who say women should stay in a sexless relationship because we can just masturbate instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:03 AM
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For some of us, having safety and certainty are the only way we can get aroused and find a man attractive. Instead of all, you could say many, then it would be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:59 AM
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Gonna say I agree with everything you say here 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:03 PM
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My point was more than a man doesn't have to be an 8+ to make a woman "wetter than Niagara Falls". There's many different types of masculine beauty, and I don't think that it's unlikely that while conventionally attractive men appeal to the masses as whole, it doesn't mean that other men aren't also attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 06:52 PM
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I sometimes wonder if I am, but if so, then it means I've been having them since my mid 20s. I don't take birth control or any medications, but ever since I was 24/25, I've woken up a handful of nights every single month in a ridiculous sweat.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 06:49 PM
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Well, I can say that I've never wanted kids, and at age 42 I'm hopefully hitting menopause soon. And since my bf isn't an 8, but I've been with him for 2 decades, it definitely isn't only model-level attractiveness that arouses every woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 04:53 PM
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How does it feel that statistically their is a very high chance of you being one of many while not knowing? This is one of the bonuses of not going for conventionally attractive/muscular and fit men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:50 PM
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I wish you many more years then ❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:49 PM
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It's possible. Various aspects of society have changed significantly. I just think it's silly to proclaim another person's relationship is inherently abusive/problematic, even after they spend time telling you how respectful, loving, and kind their partner is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:47 PM
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Younger Women happily with Older Men: we typically respond that we may be young but we're still adults, and we have made our own decisions. Yes, there are certainly things to watch out for so we don't get taken advantage of, but we aren't inherently stupid or automatically willing to put up with abuse. The older women's constant tales of caution/doom and gloom are repeated so often they lose meaning, and end up just sounding jealous/bitter a lot of the time. Older Women against Age Gaps: somehow…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:23 PM
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It's nice to see another couple with the same age difference! How long have you been together?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:56 PM
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Yup. If you're 2 adults that are happy and healthy towards each other, nobody should try to tear you apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:49 PM
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No, the older women are calling us younger women naive/stupid, because we have older men as partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:12 PM
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It's also annoying as hell lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 12:42 PM
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Awesome to hear your story, and congrats on finding someone to raise children with in this crazy world. My bf is 13 years older than me, and we're childfree. But we'll be celebrating 20 years together in October. People can think you're a creep and that I'm an idiot all they want, it doesn't change the fact we found amazing partners to create a life with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 12:41 PM
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The women who make that argument think that us younger women are inherently naive, have zero worldly experience, and are going to be taken advantage of because we can't identify if our older partner makes us feel bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 12:37 PM
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I mean, unless his partners are only in their late teens or extremely early 20s, I'd assume they understand that bodies don't always do what you want due to stress, alcohol, being tired, etc. It's just something people know from living life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:37 PM
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Is going soft momentarily that big of a deal? Nope, it's just blood flow, which is fickle anyway. Am I wrong to think it’s a little harsh to not give someone 5 min to get back in the action? Yes, imo that's really harsh. Especially since many women say they have trouble reaching orgasm, so they should realize it's going to be difficult for guys too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:46 PM
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Gf said this one night to me. She said women put so much efforts into their relationships, They give their best years to the man and the man throws it all away when he gets a better looking woman. Unfortunately, there are certainly men who do leave women when they get older looking, even though he's just as old if not more. I argued it is also the other way around but she said a woman would never leave a man for not providing. Unfortunately, there are certainly women who do leave men when they c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:28 PM
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No. Most of the redpill and blackpill men here automatically assume that the man is inherently providing far more in all aspects of the relationship. From paying the majority of household expenses, to being the primary breadwinner and working longer hours, to being the core emotional support, to funding all the dates/vacations. All while being sexually frustrated because they don't get nearly the amount of intimacy they crave. So their argument usually is that women shouldn't be upset when their…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:00 PM
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Unfortunately, most of the time, when young ladies try to talk to our peers who are strangers in the same way, it's not seen as simply wanting to have a nice quick chat. It's usually seen as trying to get something out of the men (in which case they just ignore you or say they "aren't buying your alcohol for you"), or attempting to fuck (in which case the guy then starts flirting or asking for your number or following you around the store). I'm a very friendly woman, and can honestly say that tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 12:52 PM
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I would in my relationship, absolutely. Mostly because his sex drive is significantly lower than mine, but I do my best to understand his depression and moods, and never pressure or guilt him when he says he's not wanting sex. We've compromised at 4x a week, which is double what he wants but only 28% of what I want. I pay the majority of our household bills, and for years have paid anything from 85-100% of our date nights, vacations, meals out, etc. (Which he enjoys and appreciates, it's not as …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 12:34 PM
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If you can sleepover at a single female friend's house, but not at a single male's house, does that not diminish the value of the friendship? In my opinion it would, but that's why it's up to each couple to discuss and create their own boundaries. Many couples have the kind of rule you describe, but not all. My boyfriend is allowed to stay at his single male or female friends homes if it would be dangerous for him to drive home. Likewise I'm allowed to stay at my single male friends homes for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 11:08 AM
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Nope, I'm just horny on main 24/7/365 and would...in an ideal world...have sex twice a day to help control these cravings. Don't get me wrong, I love my boyfriend as a full human being, cherish every non-sexual moment with him, enjoy making him happy and paying for the majority of bills so he doesn't ever have to worry about finances (which he appreciates), and I hope to have many more years with him. But sexually speaking, I really just want him to help me stop being hungry all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:56 AM
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I used to love sending letters, and doing drawings, but God I was such a Simp in my early 20s. That's a typical trait amongst that age group, I don't think you should beat yourself up about it. There were things I lived through that are too awful to discuss. This is my childhood in a nutshell. (we talked before - I also go by Mr Vaynewood). No worries, I know both your names lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:35 AM
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A guy will pay a $70 old Asian lady who doesn't even speak the same language to jerk him off.. he will PAY her. Some men will, sure. But this is a far cry from saying all or even a majority of men will. Most men don't want to pay for sex, nor do they actually do so. Most men I know would either never pay a prostitute to have sex because to them that's a terrible hit to their pride, and of the guys I know who have hired sex workers, they aren't opening their wallets for a grandma. They're hiring …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:33 AM
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Why do you keep mentioning an old man? Like I don't agree with your analogy anyway, but who wants to get an erotic massage by someone who reminds them of their grandfather? Are you assuming the Thai massage parlors for men only hire women who are 60+ years old? What men are jumping at the chance to get jerked off by an old woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:19 AM
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I can assure you, this is not how most women view sex. This is how gold diggers view sex lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:14 AM
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Yeah, unfortunately boys tend to do that much more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:09 AM
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Lol this was quite the analogy to imagine. But this should be part of the man's vetting process, to find women who are more likely to share in that burden and take on her own share. If he even actually wants a woman who will relieve him of some of it...there's a number of tradcon dudes who want to keep it all to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:04 AM
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What do they usually say to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:00 AM
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Are our lives really worth the same in practice though? When shit hits the fan I'm not getting evacuated unless there's still space left after all the women and children. In what situation? Are you going back in time to be a passenger on the Titanic or Birkenhead? There is no maritime law saying "women and children first", and studies have shown that not only do most ocean disasters result in a chaotic "every man for himself" mentality, but that crew tend to survive more than passengers. Those 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:57 AM
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Thanks, that's kind of you to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:33 AM
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It doesn't sound like it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:32 AM
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I do not think anyone should risk their personal safety for strangers unless they as individuals want to/feel compelled to in that moment. It doesn't matter if they have a family or dependents, just as it doesn't matter if they are literal orphans with no friends. Their lives are, in my opinion, still worth the same as human beings. For what it's worth, I would never want my boyfriend to get harmed for a stranger, but I have no problem doing so myself. His health and safety is far more important…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:34 AM
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I don't know if it's because I'm in a rural area rather than a busy, populated city but the overwhelming majority of couples I personally know are in the same tax bracket and neither person has any meaningful "status". It's the same in my own relationship, where neither of us has status outside of our very specific jobs, and I make quite a bit more money than my bf, and have for years. Similarly to you and your partner, we're both neuro-atypical; I'm autistic and he has moderate ADHD.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:28 AM
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I have never engaged in casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:38 PM
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Because the woman a man marries in this scenario, is his first choice, whereas the man a woman marries is by default her second choice. My LTR boyfriend is my "default second choice"? Why would that inherently be the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:34 PM
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I like you as poster and commenter a lot, but this paragraph seriously came off as a scam ad. "He gets his expectation but provides me a proof" is not equivalent exchange. It is, because I also wouldn't be a demanding partner, and I also have expectations of his behavior + provide proof of my contributions. I don't know how it's not an equivalent exchange when we're literally on the same level and get the same things out of our relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:23 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:14 PM
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Same here. When men tell you their experiences with online dating, there's really no reason to not believe them. Hell, you can go look on r/nicegirls to see some of the weird ass, entitled, or nasty messages that men get sent just like women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:08 PM
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Where is the hatred between the genders coming from in Asian countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:05 PM
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Dude, that's so weird. This is the exact video I was thinking of.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:13 PM
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Oh, I agree. I'm not coming down harshly on men (or women) for not putting themselves at risk. I'm just saying it's hardly an American/western thing, it's a humanity thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:12 PM
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Yeah, I have no idea how even a 10 year old who has access to television/internet could possibly believe the only people getting into public altercations are DV.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:11 PM
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Here, I disagree. The women in question have a dillusional belief that by being a man, he is defacto safe. Because he can take care of himself. Which is absolutely not true for the vast majority of men. Hence, they care, but they don't see the issue in this instance. Which makes sense. Sounds like a good conversation to have, so they don't go through life holding onto these ridiculous beliefs. I am, however, arguing this front a purely, gender norms point of view. Where male gender norms are mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:30 AM
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I genuinely don't see how, if we're specifically talking about women who actually love and care about their boyfriends. It's pretty simple logic: if you love someone you don't want them to get hurt. If being in X neighborhood at night will potentially harm them, you don't want them to be there. Ergo, if you DO want them to be there at night, you don't love them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:03 AM
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Dude, that's not true. The one time I had this happen to me, I was walking to my car in my campus parking lot at night and some dude threatened me with a knife if I didn't give him the contents of my wallet. He only made off with like $22...no idea why he thought a college student would have more...but I certainly didn't know him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 10:47 AM
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OP is talking about random mugging/assault on the street by unknown men (or women...they can be desperate or crazy too), not trying to breakup domestic violence where the people know each other and both may turn on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 10:26 AM
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But are we obligated to walk our partner home in the middle of the night, and then take the same dangerous walk back alone? Of course not. If she lives in that dangerous of a neighborhood I have no idea why either of you wouldn't just call a taxi. Why would either of you be walking around at night in that case? How is that fair, why is that not a double standard? It isn't fair, it is a double standard. By obligated, I mean the punishment is social ostracization. She will tell your social circle …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 10:23 AM
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I suppose this is the individualistic western mindset. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with where you live. It's everywhere. I've seen social experiment videos from both Asian and western countries where the majority of people walk past someone who is obviously in need of help, even if providing assistance wouldn't physically harm them in any way. Regardless of the country it's filmed in, it seems that only a small percentage of people are going to care enough about the unknown strang…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 10:19 AM
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I've been convinced of this for at least the last decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 10:13 AM
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Possibly, yeah. I dislike the idea of women being "incapable" of sexism, since yes...you absolutely can be sexist, either towards men or towards other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 10:08 AM
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Why is this effective? Why is a middle-class woman born in the 90s allowed to treat men poorly because her great grandmother was in an abusive marriage? While I've commonly seen women talking about the abuse and limitations their female ancestors faced, I haven't seen anyone saying something like "I emotionally abuse my husband to make up for the fact my grandfather would punch grandma". If I did see anyone say such a shitty and horrible thing, I'd assume they had a number of mental screws loose…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:27 AM
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This is pretty much my boyfriend's view. He got vasectomized in his mid 20s. Like me, he knew very early in life that kids were absolutely not on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:19 AM
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So is it safe to say the only difference between a demand and an expectation in your mind is if someone tells you what’s on their mind or not and that determines whether you think it’s a demand or an expectation? No, not at all. I gave you the definitions of both words. The distinction is that a demand is given from a supposed stance of authority over the other person. An expectation is simply putting forth what you want and believing the other person will do it. In the case of romantic relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 11:05 PM
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Exactly. There is no special, women's only, secret type of intuition.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 09:42 PM
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Because I'd rather be rejected for being myself and showing my true emotions, instead of constantly never being good enough, and having my every move viewed with nothing but suspicion. Innocent, caring men hate being viewed as inherently dangerous just for existing, it shouldn't be surprising that an innocent, caring woman would likewise hate it. I spent my entire childhood trying to prove my love and worth to my parents. It's a terrible, soul draining feeling to always have their acceptance jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 09:40 PM
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Demand = an insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right. Expectation = a strong belief that something will happen or should be the case in the future. If you don’t eat the same amount of food how is that equal? You have 4 friends you constantly hang out with. If your friend Jake eats 1800 calories a day, Tom eats 2100 calories, Charlie eats 2350 calories, and Ben eats 2000. Which one of your friends do you treat the best and who do you treat the least, based on how unequal their diets …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 07:46 PM
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That wasn't the question I asked, the question is if you had the choice between relationships where your partner is more likely to demand you prove your love to them, or the relationships where if you open up and be vulnerable with them at their request that they will see you as weak and reject you for the vulnerability you displayed. Fine. If I absolutely had to choose one of these two options and had no ability to simply leave of my own volition, I would pick the second option. In my opinion i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 07:40 PM
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Unfortunately I don't believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 06:34 PM
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Damn lol. I didn't realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 06:08 PM
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That's fine, you can believe the majority of women are only interested in self-preservation. Personally I've seen equal numbers of both men and women sacrificing for their spouse, families, and friends. I also don't think we're more important than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 05:26 PM
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You're either not understanding what I'm saying, or trolling. Unfortunately given the type of people who frequent this sub, I'm inclined to think it's the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 05:20 PM
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I'm not reacting negatively to a post about men setting healthy boundaries. I'm 100% in favor of that, as you can see from my comment history. I am always extremely pro-male mental health, and used to volunteer with local organizations that provided free counseling/group talks. But OP isn't talking about setting healthy boundaries, he's talking about treating your gf like a misbehaving dog or small child, and being manipulative instead of having adult conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 04:50 PM
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No, that would overwhelmingly be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 04:44 PM
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That's unfortunate. I have a decent amount more power than my bf in our relationship, but he still contributes so of course I respect him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 04:04 PM
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Who says they didn't? She only had 1 comment about it, and it didn't involve her parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 04:03 PM
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Religious families are weird, they really push marriage onto their children hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 03:39 PM
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Probably the same whackadoos who think horoscopes, crystal healing, and essential oils are "real".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 03:29 PM
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I will say that while in general history, men have been known as the builders/sacrificers, it's not as if women weren't standing right there with them, especially during peacetime. Both sexes...as well as older children...poured blood, sweat, and tears into their society. Whether that was farming, mining, plowing, hunting, factory work or other laborious industries, only the minority elite women, the upper 1%, weren't sweating and toiling alongside their brothers and husbands. It's truly only be…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 03:28 PM
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I don't think that's real.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 03:02 PM
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Idk man. I went through 6 years of failed dating before meeting my boyfriend, and we didn't even move in together until the 4th year of our relationship. We're celebrating our 20th "anniversary" in October and aren't married. Dating is just hard for some people, but when you find that one special person it all clicks. She did clarify in other comments that he's never been married, although I think she said there was a fiancée at some point. But that's due in large part because his job is with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 02:53 PM
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For example, there could be an egalitarian guy, who demands proportional amounts of effort from you in a relationship, in terms of housework, bills, investments, sex etc. I wouldn't date a man who demands these things, but I would date a man who expects these things and proves that he contributes the other half. On the other hand, there could be another, more traditional guy. Pays for dates, invests plenty of his emotional/financial resources into you, performs all the emotional/physical labor y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 02:42 PM
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Nice. When we first met I was 23 and my bf was 36.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:18 PM
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Where did you get that idea...? You make it sound like he's never been with a woman before, and she's been with a bunch of terrible men who never treated her kindly. But she's 37 and was with her ex-husband since she was 20 years old, and he's 39 with years of dating experience if not a divorcee himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 11:45 AM
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Absolutely. Some of us are far better off with found family/friends than we ever could be with blood family. Sad but true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 11:20 AM
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There's still plenty of men who do that too, just leave their wife and kids for hours and stay at the bar or club until 2am. A handful of my customers are cops, you wouldn't believe how many drunk ass husbands and boyfriends they pull over every week. They pull over a few drunk women too, but it's an overwhelmingly male issue in our area. Probably has to do with being a rural town with bars vs a city with nightclubs. Frankly I just think it's indicative of men and women who didn't really want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 11:18 AM
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I heard a great comment about going no contact with toxic family members: "A healthy person cannot make a room full of sick people get better, but a room of sick people can create illness in a healthy person."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 11:04 AM
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They both did. Imagine finding someone so quickly, and not just knowing you want to spend the rest of your life with them, but they want the same thing. You don't hear about that as much nowadays. Wish them all the best and years of happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 11:01 AM
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Truth
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 10:58 AM
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And your daughters. Don't teach your daughters to just accept bullying or abuse. Fuck this idea of "fighting back means you're part of the problem". It just encourages those guys or girls to keep targeting her, because they know there's no consequences for hurting her. I wish could take who I am now and send this mindset back in time to my middle/high school days. I'd have fucked up so many bullies instead of getting traumatized by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 10:53 AM
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Unfortunately, men do this too, harming women for the actions or inactions of totally different women. Regardless of who is doing it, it's completely illogical and creates a cycle of harm that will end up destroying many more lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 10:47 AM
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People who use their sons and daughters as stand-ins for other people like that don't deserve to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 10:39 AM
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I really hope the author of this is nothing more than a ragebait troll. For one thing, respect is earned not given out for free. Nobody gets respect simply for existing, and certainly not when they're abusing you. For another, "respecting women" just means you don't go around hurting them because you can as a stronger person...which is really just the same as "don't bully others", except it's supposed to be for both sexes. What that girl needed was one good, solid punch to knock her on her ass a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 10:23 AM
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Honestly, I wouldn't choose to remain with either person. If my partner kept viewing me suspiciously and hid his emotional state from me all the time, or pulled any of this "holding frame" nonsense where he has zero trust in me whatsoever AND is emotionally manipulative as OP suggests...I would break up with him. If my partner demanded I never have any kind of vulnerability, and insinuated that I was not allowed to show any negative emotions, and they made it clear I could not rely on them for e…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 10:08 AM
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Of course they can be, just as fathers can be. Having even one parent who's abusive can screw up a kid's development for years afterward.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 10:01 AM
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Which is why reddit is laughable at times. I was groomed...but not by my boyfriend. It was during my childhood, from my father, uncle, and a church elder from our community. I know what it's like, and trust me, my partner always acted the exact opposite of those monsters. The amount of people who have said that I was "taken advantage of" have no idea what they're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 10:00 AM
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All she has to do is show she truly loves him and cares for him, and doesn't cost her much if it doesn't work. OP makes it sound like even doing this would be viewed with suspicion or not taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 02:58 AM
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What do you define as "too much"? If you can't rely on other people, even just a chosen few, then you're going to suffer a lot in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 02:26 AM
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I see it all the time and the woman never respects him. They just treat them like a workhorse. In some instances, yes. But in others we use that power to make life easier for our men. However you can show weakness while still being in control. I agree. Showing weakness doesn't have to mean having a total loss of control of yourself. Don't expect them to offer any emotional support when you are weak. If it's a new or unhealthy relationship, then it's better to not expect that. But if it's a healt…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 02:17 AM
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Do you think he regrets not being with her, if she already lost all respect and desire for him after such a minor thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 02:06 AM
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It's your body. Neither I nor anyone else can tell you how to feel about it, or what to desire from it. If you think you can desire sex, you'd probably have to change your medication to actually do so though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 02:05 AM
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You kinda have a point regarding pregnancy, but that's not a role all women want to take on. Like how I'm childfree...I'll never know what it's like to be a mother, since I decided against it a long time ago. In modern society, we have firearms that anyone can learn to use. In my relationship, I'm the one who would do the protecting if an intruder ever broke in, as I'm the lighter, quicker, more flexible person who actually owns a gun and has taken shooting courses. My boyfriend is older, heavie…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 02:03 AM
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Idk about that, given the ex boyfriend was also a professional fighter. It's likely he wasn't single for long. If he was an average guy, I think you'd have a point...but being single still sounds better than being in a horrible relationship with such a wretched woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:58 AM
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I don't know about this "costing him dearly". It sounds more like the fighter guy dodged a massive bullet by no longer dating this bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:44 AM
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Have you never seen a LTR hetero dynamic where the woman has more power than the man in some aspects? Also, weaknesses are an inherent part of being human. You can't get through life never showing any.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:25 AM
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Dude, you and I had an entire conversation the other day about women and sex, and I agreed with you that while some women view sex as a chore that's not true for everyone obviously. Sex isn't awful, it isn't a waste of time, and it isn't the only thing men care about. But it is something that most people care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:14 AM
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But you're also a sex repulsed person...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:10 AM
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All women are sex workers though. All women require payment for.. their... company ig? How do you figure this? You must be trolling, truly, because there are absolutely women who have sex for free, because we love our men and want to show that love through the intimacy of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:09 AM
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I consider both of my parents to be legitimately terrible human beings. The traits of a bad mom, imo, are that she doesn't protect her children from harm done to them by other family members. She will dismiss the concerns of her child as perpetually unimportant or exaggerated, gives no comfort or stability, puts her own happiness and emotions as the top priority even when it means her children are actively hurting. If she does see/know about the father/other people abusing the child and can no l…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 11:34 PM
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Speaking as a woman with a partner who I've never been disappointed by...god damn, does OP's post sound utterly exhausting for both people. The man because he has to constantly hold a neverending "frame" of perfection and always being the original guy she fell for rather than showing any of the minor changes or new desires he has as he gets older, learning new things. The woman because she's with someone who believes her version of love is inherently receptive/consumption based, and will treat h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 11:07 PM
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It honestly is lol. Most people here are vehemently, almost rabidly anti-age gap relationships, especially ones where the woman is more than 10 years younger than the man. Just my personal experience shows that for some of us, these relationships truly are the best option, and work out incredibly well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:44 PM
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I feel the same way sometimes, like when dudes flood a Q4W with a bunch of comments telling us our beliefs or lifestyles are virtue signaling/lies/wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:42 PM
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Not the person you were talking to, but women are allowed to comment and discuss topics listed as Q4M. We just can't make top level comments/have to top level answer under the Automod. Same goes for Q4W posts. There's always a bunch of men answering under the Automod, sometimes sincerely, often sarcastically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:28 PM
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If that's your opinion, alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:12 PM
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As we reach younger Gen Z black pill has begun to fully set in. You almost never see a guy 18-21 with a girl PERIOD unless he is a male model maxxed 8/10 chad+. I own a game store where, of my 40 or so of my regular weekly customers are men aged 20-25. Of these guys, at least 30 of them have girlfriends...possibly more, I'm only talking about the ones who've specifically mentioned their partners. And no, the vast majority of these gamers are completely average looking, or a little less due to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:33 PM
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Other than the women-only grants, men use all these things too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:19 PM
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Unfortunately there are people who are extremely adept at wearing masks. My parents and church elders were such people. I'm glad to have never dealt with that romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:37 PM
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Probably because most attractive women have similar body counts. However, attractive women with low body counts don't want to be with a slutty, low value man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:33 PM
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No, in the US 5'9 is the exact average male height. Anyone who thinks that is "short" is either ignorant of facts or trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:30 PM
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It sounds like you had a partner who cared more about wealth and finances, than about you as a person. I can understand why you would have preferred never having someone like that in your life. My boyfriend also had a major health issue in the 3rd year of us being together, one that required surgery and for someone to help him change bandages, bathe, etc for a few weeks. Although he threw around the idea of getting a nurse, I knew that would be a costly expense for him, so I moved into his apart…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:25 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by "established"? Yes, my boyfriend was older and had an apartment, old car, and full-time job...but I also had an apartment, old car, and full-time job. In what way are you assuming he was established but I was not? u/Mr_Vaynewoode Tagging since I didn't see you answer my question regarding him being "established" and I am really wondering what you meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:46 PM
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I haven't dated any women, since I'm straight, and I haven't had any women remain in my life long enough to see them go through these changes you mention. I can say that my value system, ethics, and desires have remained constant throughout my adult life. Obviously there were changes, alterations, minorly different values as an adolescent to teen to very young adult...that's a normal and healthy thing, to grow and mature. But after age 22, 23...I haven't had any changes in the two decades since …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:30 PM
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What do you mean by emotionally safe?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:02 PM
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Slutty men may be successful in some people's opinions. Obviously not everyone's. Personally I have no use whatsoever for male sluts. Imo they aren't "successful", they are unsuitable for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:21 PM
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I don't do things in that order as much, but I agree it's a wonderful feeling!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:42 PM
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Your current gf sounds phenomenal! Your ex sounds kinda...sucky. I've been ghosted by a lot of guys, and dumped harshly sometimes too. Imo there's really no reason to treat your date that way. Reflects much worse on them than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:13 PM
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Fair enough. It seems like the majority of women have a sexuality where their brain/emotions need to be in line with their body for them to desire sex. For me and a minority of other women, we have spontaneous desire rather than responsive desire, so our lust is running on its own separate pathway. I can be miffed at my bf due to a disagreement, but still 100% down to have sex. Oftentimes it actually helps to soothe remaining tension, and puts both of us in a more understanding, happier mood and…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:10 PM
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But if there is tension or bad feelings with my husband, then I will not want to have sex with him. So long as the 5 prerequisite conditions are met, at what level of tension would you decline sex with your husband? Or to phrase it differently, do you ever engage in make-up sex, where you haven't totally gotten over the disagreement but having sex helps you reconnect so you want him anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:41 PM
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It sounds like your current gf is a good woman, and appreciates both you and your looks. I think you may have felt that way because society tends to place a strong negative on overweight men, to the point where I've even seen men and women on PPD say a large man simply cannot be "high value". But to those of us women who find big boys more attractive than either skinny or muscular dudes...to us specifically, it's an indicator of hotness and sexiness. I hope that makes sense? He's an amazing pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:37 PM
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That sucks, man. It seems like she has a type. 300 lbs is a bit much, even for me lol. My bf is 5'10 and 265 lbs, which is perfect imo, although he wants to start losing some weight...get down to 240 is his goal. I think it'll be difficult at his age but I'm supporting him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:25 PM
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Not obese men, but nicely overweight, soft, looks like he is more at home in the kitchen than a gym. I'm not, since I've only been in one relationship lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:20 PM
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As an American woman, I agree with your Brazilian friend. That could be due to being introverted though, which doesn't seem to be the personality type of most female members of PPD. Is this slower type of judgement, rather than quick/efficient type, something that's common in other aspects of Brazilian culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:00 PM
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How is it short? 5'9" is the average for male height, at least in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:54 PM
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The question was about whether women would care/change their views about male N count if it was shown that they make bad partners. It sounds like neither the women or men in your social circle are slutty, so they're not really the focus of this question. It's only regarding the dudes who DO act like the town bicycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:51 PM
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Those are nice during the dating phase but your priorities will fundamentally change after kids. So by this logic...If a woman knows she never wants kids, and purposely vets for a man who also never wants kids, then it does make sense for them to have a lot of common hobbies and interests. Their priorities will always remain on spending time with each other, having fun together, doing the things they both enjoy, and never having to change those plans or priorities for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:37 PM
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How do these two compare for you, what is more important to you and what has a larger impact on youre overall sense of someone being attractive. I'm a straight woman, so other women are always just in the Pretty category. I suppose a very femme looking man, or a drag queen, would also be Pretty but not Hot. Otherwise if a man is Pretty, he's also Hot, so long as he has the kind of body type I'm into. (Thicc, soft, overweight, plump, true dadbod, mildly fat...whatever you want to call it.) I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:30 PM
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Okay. What would you say are the 2 or 3 biggest differences in general attitudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:53 PM
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I've never had hookups/casual sex, so can't speak about inviting a guy over for that. But I did text my future bf the next day, after we'd spent much of the previous night talking. It wasn't to ask him on a romantic date...that would have been waaaaay to fast...but I did ask if he wanted to go for a hike and grab lunch after. As for the "high value" part, most of the people here wouldn't consider him as that, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:49 PM
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...you already said that, just phrased differently. I was asking what those differences are, not whether they exist. Like if you're comparing American attitudes to British attitudes or Canadian attitudes, what's the major difference between those 3 western nations?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:38 PM
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This is why I firmly believe that...regardless of which roles are determined afterward they begin dating...the most fair thing is to split the bill for the first handful of dates. The provider/receiver question is an important one, but that's something after you have decided to commit and actually be gf/bf. It's silly to expect anyone to pay 100% when you've just met them for the first time, especially if it's an expensive date. But the man in this scenario is probably also looking for a women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:33 PM
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Lol true. Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture which says that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 10:50 AM
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If you found a study saying that men who cheated on their wives had on average 230% more previous sexual partners than men who did not. Would that make you more concerned about body count than you currently are? It couldn't possibly make me more concerned, because I'm already extremely concerned about male sluttiness. It's one of the top 5 things I'd vet against if I was still in the dating pool, and a high N man is a total deal breaker for me. Also what if there are a few more studies saying th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 10:48 AM
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Any relationship That changes things. So Suffer with an inadequate sex life That's what most high libido people do. As a man I have to determine whether that sacrifice is worth it and sacrificing for women is never worth it Do you think sacrificing for men is ever worth it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 10:39 AM
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Honestly I'm surprised she hasn't been banned, at least temporarily. Assuming it's because she never actually breaks the rules of the sub, and skirts around the edges.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 10:36 AM
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If only there were more young men like you. Unfortunately you're an outlier. The overwhelming majority of late teen/early 20s men have no concept of patience.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:50 AM
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How does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:48 AM
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We're talking about sex within committed relationships, correct? Cheating is a surefire way to no longer have that relationship. I'm not at all interested in hookups or casual sex. I've never done it, never will. Sex for me is only with my boyfriend, not meaningless strangers who I don't love and don't love me. So yes, when you're in a committed LTR where one person has a lower libido, unfortunately the higher libido partner is going to be making some sacrifices to the lower one. As far as I can…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:36 AM
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I'm pretty confident that she's a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:00 AM
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The only thing I can say is that creating roles that every relationship is "supposed" to follow, based solely on the sex of the people within it, is dumb. The whole men = provider/protector/leader and women = receiver/nurturer/follower is fine...IF that dynamic works for you and your partner. I'm not against traditional gender roles, I'm against forcing everyone to use them regardless of individual strengths and weaknesses. I am a woman who is naturally inclined towards more stereotypically male…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:52 AM
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Well that's ridiculous then. I see at least one reason they're you're exes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:29 AM
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I'm glad you would. But unfortunately you're an extreme outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:28 AM
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Did they still expect it from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:56 AM
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Very few men are going to take issue waiting for a virgin. Lol 😂😂😂 Uh, no. Very few men SAY they'd have no issue with waiting for a virgin woman to feel comfortable having sex. Unfortunately this is just virtue signaling. I can tell you from numerous years dating all types of young men my age, of all different looks, there were hardly any at all who didn't ghost me immediately after date 2, 3, or 4 without sex...and all the ones who didn't were extremely religious and obviously not interested on…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:33 AM
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How many men have you been with, and how many of them engaged in foreplay?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:28 AM
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It usually takes me about 6 minutes, maybe 4 if I've been edging. Orgasms feel like a rush of pure, sharp, overwhelming pleasure that takes your breath away and makes your heart feel like it's beating out of your chest. Then the pleasure turns warmer and spreads over your entire genital area, making it wonderfully sensitive and wanting more.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 08:08 PM
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Wait...aren't you a woman? And no, I personally don't do that because I'm not an idiot. I love having sex, I want to have it everyday, and I'm always dtf unlike my boyfriend who only wants it a couple times a week. I've never in my life tried to claim that I'm asexual, because that'd be incredibly stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:58 PM
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Damn, it's way different for me. My clit is so sensitive I can't use it for more than 2 or 3 orgasms in a row without needing to take a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:53 PM
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Judging by your post, I could probably make a safe assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:54 PM
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Oh please...it can't possibly be that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:23 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:22 PM
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Is your partner piv focused, or happy to partake in the entire experience for both of you? He even says in his post that women who don’t like piv shouldn’t have partners. Yeah, I'm not with OP on that one. I do think that people with significantly different sexual values or libidos aren't a good fit and probably wouldn't last long together. But there's a lot more to sex than just piv, so it's not something that should be the core event.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:01 PM
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I'll admit to not having much experience in this department, since I'm 42 and I've only had sex with my boyfriend. In our relationship, I'm the high libido partner so in some ways it centers him in order for him to get into the mood. But once we're there, he's an active participant in the non-piv sex. We enjoy using toys on each other, trying new things, etc. It sounds like I got lucky with the guy I picked. If you've had more than one partner, what are your experiences and expectations with men…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 02:39 PM
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Not necessarily secrecy, it just isn't something that comes up in normal conversations often, especially amongst complete strangers. Like I get how some women will start talking about the sex they've had with guys they are dating or hooking up with. Apparently that's pretty common. But a dude at a club telling another random dude at a club that he's a virgin? I'm trying to imagine how they'd get on that line of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:39 PM
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No offense taken lol. I'm 42...getting older is better than dying young 😅 Yes, I know. Although we did have the internet (got my first PC when I was 12) and I did use online dating websites when in my 20s. There weren't phone apps, obviously, not like today. But OkCupid, Match, eHarmony, PlentyofFish, etc were around as dating sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:21 PM
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Most, no. But using someone's age by itself to assume their virginity status isn't accurate. I was a virgin well into my 23rd year of life, and it would have been longer if I never met my bf.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:43 AM
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Majority of women can’t orgasm from penetration alone. They need fingers, toys etc. Correct. I consider myself and other piv orgasm women to be lucky, similar to those of us who can orgasm from nipple stimulation alone. Sure, it’s possible. But naturally sex is more for men. They can just put it in and enjoy it. Many women need to learn how to like sex. I don't believe this claim. Just because most women can't orgasm from piv alone doesn't mean most women have zero enjoyment from sex. It's for b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:41 AM
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Speaking as a woman who genuinely cares about men, the theory she's posting about isn't hers. It's one that's been postulated by the far more unsavory sections of the manosphere in an attempt to explain why some women cheat easily/bounce back into dating easily after a breakup. It's been something certain redpill dudes used to talk about back when The Spearhead and Return of Kings blogs were popular. Personally I think it's misandric.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:35 AM
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You don't watch porn either? Damn, man... Hey, whatever works for you and yours. I'm not gonna judge. Just kinda surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:05 AM
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Very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:04 AM
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Yeah, but penetration is the main event. Are you very religious, or come from a very religious family? This is a pretty archaic take, ngl. I wouldn’t want to be fingered after sex, it just seems awkward. And not everyone wants to be eaten out. You don't have to be fingered after piv. Most of the time you'd do it beforehand, as one of the many things you could do during sex. It's a way to get you off, and helps with internal arousal and sensitivity. I find it odd that you can orgasm from his fing…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:04 AM
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So you would never allow toys in your bedroom, or you wouldn't allow toys that only your partner uses because she can't orgasm with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:56 AM
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I'm surprised other men will tell you so often.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:55 AM
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Sex isn't just for men lmao. If you and other women you talk to have problems with reaching orgasm, I am sorry for your difficulties and that sucks. It sounds like a rough time and hopefully you can talk to a doctor about changing that. But don't act like just because our bodies aren't the same as men, that sex isn't just as much for women as a whole. There's no "of course" with orgasm difficulty, otherwise I and many other women wouldn't be able to have them so easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:54 AM
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89% of what? I hope you're not saying that 89% of us have terribly insensitive clits?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:50 AM
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I understand that you know a lot of people. But how do you know they're virginity status? Like are the majority of people you know getting drunk and telling you it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:48 AM
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I don't know how you've used toys in your relationships, but in mine there's ones I use on my boyfriend, ones he uses on me, and ones we use together. They're tools used to make sex more fun, or give each other sensations the human body can't create, or reach places that aren't otherwise possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:47 AM
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Honestly, the amount of virgin women Ive met in a big city... zero. Amount of virgin men... i need more toes and fingers that I can count with. How do you know from person to person? If she hasnt, its easy. You can set your own pace and she can set hers. Its a worry free situation. That's a decent plan. Most young men will either not believe you're still a virgin, or they won't care that you want to go slow and ghost you after not having sex in the first 3-4 dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:42 AM
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What do you mean "feel special" in this regard? I don't really want my man to have a bunch of serious options, no. I just want him to enjoy being with me, and for me to enjoy being with him. Acknowledging other attractive women and men exist, and looking at attractive strangers is fine. But having options isn't okay for either of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:37 AM
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Sex is the most intimate thing you can share with another person. All the bullshit about "im intimate with my boyfriend/girlfriend when I am cuddling and feeding him ice cream". Sex literally means you are in someone and someone is in you - there is nothing that replicates that, beautiful part of life. I agree with this point. Sex imo is the single most intimate thing you can do with another person, so it's something special to be cherished and only shared with someone you truly care about and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:25 AM
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The reason its 2:1 is because men want to get laid more than women also it's alot easier for women and they don't even have to trade anything for it or it's like trading salt for water in the desert in their favor. Until you're a high libido woman with an average libido boyfriend... The amount of things I do to try and make life easier for my man, out of love yes, but also so he's more likely to be in the mood for sex and not stressing about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:13 AM
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This is the best answer 👏👏👏 I also like how you brought up chimerism, since that has screwed up a number of results in really surprising ways. Like that one story about the birth mom who's eggs were a different DNA than herself, so she had to go through a legal battle to adopt her own child she'd birthed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:07 AM
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Yeah, I recall that too...can't think of the psychological term though. Kind of a "sour grapes" mindset, like from the Aesop fable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 09:47 AM
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I do my best 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:38 AM
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So long as it doesn't hurt anyone, it's not a bad decision lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:11 AM
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Hey, a gal's gotta do whatever she can to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:04 AM
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In most cases, yeah...it actually is about position. I'm a top about 95% of the time lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:21 AM
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Correct. And a lot of women don't want to be mothers nowadays either. But for some reason, there's still people here who get pissed off about childfree women and not childfree men. Which is dumb, because it's a very good thing to have a childfree girlfriend if you're a childfree man. It's not like she's ever going to try to make you change your mind, since she's anti-patenthood too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:35 PM
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Exactly. Trying to get the fertility rates to remain the same in 20 years as they were back in 1990 would just amount to having hordes of unemployed people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:32 PM
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I think this is actually the same thing. Its negative because it involves a woman being more important. Hmmm. Alright, I can see how it relates. I agree, im giving the cis heterosexual middle class young adults viewpoint. Ah...yeah. They may not be as well versed in terms that have been used around other communities. 100% western and lower middle class up. The things that work in other places is not something i want to deal with. Fair. Makes discussions here easier, at least. Why do you think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:12 PM
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For example, have you noticed how teenage boys often label fellatio as either "for girls" or "for gays," but in this context, "gay" usually just means something feminine, not necessarily homosexual? Can't say I ever have, no. That's a totally new piece of information for me. The closest I've ever heard is straight men refusing to give their female partners oral sex because it's "simp" behavior. This kind of thinking isn’t just limited to that one example. Consider the term "pillow queen," which …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:44 PM
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If it's not "normal," why am I seeing it over and over again at every level of society? Why have I seen it in my friends and family? I wish I knew. The level of disgust, dislike, complete refusal to take responsibility, etc that the above person is talking about is something I only see rarely. Although it definitely exists, in my social circle is isn't the norm. Why did I live it? I am nothing special. My ex, was not that unusual either. Not special, no. But unfortunately it is something that ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 08:05 PM
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That's not something I can ever imagine for myself lol. The very idea of pregnancy is kinda body horror for me. But I'm glad other women like it!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:42 PM
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The replacement rate is the fertility rate needed to replace the current generation without growing or shrinking. Given our ever expanding reliance on technology and the future changes to the labor force because of it, it will be better to have less people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:25 PM
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Two of my aunts were like that. They really enjoyed being mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:21 PM
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Why's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:15 PM
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Exactly. I work part-time in the morning 3 days a week and run my own business at night 6 days a week. My boyfriend is a full-time elementary school teacher. We are 42 and 55, respectively. Two wonderful golden retrievers (we only travel locally for now) and no kids. We've been together 20 years...but my bf had a vasectomy a few years before he even met me! It's like PPD redditors forget that not all men want to be fathers...not all women want to be mothers...and there's no problem with that so …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:42 PM
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Thank you for giving such a heartfelt reply. Before I respond more in depth, would you be willing to talk more about what your ex's "One Bad Day" entailed, so I know what actually occurred? You are correct that I seem to have one of the most healthy relationships here. I genuinely cannot think of anything my boyfriend could do...short of suddenly physically or sexually harming me deliberately...that would make me have that One Bad Day where everything crashes down. I do not think you'd do such a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:19 PM
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Birth rates are going down and staying down because women, and men as well, are figuring out that they don't actually want to be parents. There's a ton of DINK households amongst my generation (millennials). Even though a decent amount of us could afford to have kids, we simply don't want to. This isn't the only reason, but it's a big one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:11 PM
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What is strange?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:07 PM
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Fuck yeah, man. You understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:57 PM
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I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:43 PM
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Ugh, yes! The fact that charts were basically flipped was one of the more interesting features of the information. Men ranked women's looks on a standard bell curve, yet the overwhelming majority of initial messages were sent to women ranked in the top 20%. Women ranked men's looks as a downward J curve, with only 20% of men being average attractiveness or higher. But the overwhelming majority of initial messages sent to men were to the bottom 80%.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:43 PM
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Windmill, the guy you're talking to didn't use the word females. I don't agree with his comment, but you don't have to use dehumanizing language.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:36 PM
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In addition to fixing the wage gap, more small businesses like these could help spread awareness while giving back to the community. As a small brick and mortar woman business owner, I think this is a pretty shitty idea. I do give back to my community. I pick a local charity organization every quarter, and my customers can either put money into the collection jar or they can use the "tip" feature on my credit card machine to donate electronically. At the end of the quarter I take that full amoun…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:34 PM
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When I said "sexual" i my post I didn't just mean high sex drive, I meant the kink or sexual variety/adventure is a part of their identity or is a large part of what makes life enjoyable for them. Yeah, that's what it seemed like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:04 PM
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It sounds like a type of sexuality based on the rush of adrenaline, thrill, taboo, socially unacceptable, etc rather than simply being high libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:58 PM
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I'm talking about their personalities, not their wallets. They may be rich, but their behavior still outs them as trashy, low value women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:50 PM
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The problem is how family law and divorce works in most developed countries, where women are incentivised to divorce for money. Women are typically poorer after divorce though. If someone is getting divorced because they believe it will make them wealthy or better off financially, they're pretty dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:46 PM
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If that's the case, then better to stay away from such trashy women. Loyalty is an important part of relationships, and unfortunately they are lacking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:39 PM
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Leaving aside that "women's solipsistic nature" bit, being a dude doesn't mean you're lacking observational skills. My question was about the reaction they're trying to create from you. Meaning, are they suddenly telling you about their boyfriends when you attempt a kiss because they're A) asking you to back off, B) wanting you to dismiss the info and continue, or C) something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:35 PM
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In the US at least, men as a whole make more than women as a whole. In April 2024, the median salary for men employed by private companies was $52,004, compared to $36,739 for women. Men also earn more than women in government, with median earnings of $60,349 for local government workers, $59,373 for state government workers, and $78,250 for federal government workers. The gender pay gap is particularly pronounced among self-employed workers, where men earn $64,546 compared to $41,789 for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:29 PM
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Interesting. What kind of reaction are they expecting when they tell you? Like are they saying it to suddenly be "loyal", or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:25 PM
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And it’s never been replicated in the years since. This is the biggest issue I have with it. Dating apps and websites are incredibly tight lipped about their data, and to my knowledge and in my layman's research I've never found another post or article anywhere that gives current day numbers. Hell, I haven't been in the dating pool since I was 23, and I'm just wanting to know because it'd be newer information! Even if it ends up showing similar numbers, at least it would be recent! But yeah. It …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:23 PM
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I don't know any women from this subculture of going to bars/clubs, but just on the face of it I'd say they're not happy in their relationships or are trying to make their boyfriends jealous. Either way, it's immature behavior to stay far away from so you don't get hurt in the crossfire. I'm curious though, in these kinds of interactions, how do you know they have boyfriends? Do the women openly say it, and could be lying? Or does she point him out in the crowd?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:15 PM
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It is! And they only repeat such a tiny portion of the data, never the full thing. I find it really freaking weird that this one little survey with less than 200 people, done by one dating site back when OLD was still quite new, is held up as the gold standard of how all women supposedly view men. Why are people who are dating right now perfectly fine with using numbers from that survey, but when we older people talk about our direct dating experiences from roughly the same time period, we're to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:09 PM
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I wish we'd be given decades old Psychology Today articles. These claims always, always come back solely to that one single survey (not even a study!) done with the paying members of OkCupid back in fucking 2007. I love reading about the same exact 17 year old, incredibly small population data from one blog post that was deleted a couple weeks later, and extrapolating it to all current hetero dating dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:44 PM
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If you didn’t enjoy it, then it means that aspect of dating sucked for you, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:37 PM
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As a whole, women use more tax benefits due to usually being the ones stuck with raising children as a single parent. When men are single parents, they have access to those same programs...I know, I've helped a couple of my customers get them...and they use the system exactly as women do. There's just fewer single fathers than single mothers. However, if a woman is childfree her entire life, then she's in the same boat as a childfree man. We're both paying into a society wide system and safety n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:14 AM
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This is the truth of the matter, for those remaining childfree due to financial reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:04 AM
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It's one of the core tenants about how they view hetero LTRs where the woman isn't a virgin. They assume that she's consistently had "better" men prior to meeting him...with metrics that usually include more attractive, bigger dick, more muscles, more money, bigger apartment/house, cooler car, much taller, etc. I've spoken to blackpill men on this sub who truly believe that unless they can find a virgin, the only other possibility is to date a woman who can never be satisfied with anything he of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:58 AM
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Whereas they can easily* (bold claim i know and it is another debate which i won't delve into) dominate (in a positive sense) men and the social sphere, because of gynocentrism and their biological advantage What biological advantage? Why don't women approach guys and why don't we teach our girls to be outgoing, playmaker, approacher and secure in their freedom? I'm honestly not sure. I greatly preferred doing the approaching because that put me in control of the situation from the beginning. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:46 AM
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By this logic, One Bad Day is all it will take to blow everything up. How do you reach that conclusion? Nothing I said would follow this line of thinking. I never lived under the illusion that things would always be perfect with my ex, I just thought the 10 years I had put in would have been enough to show my good-faith commitment to suffer the storms. Of course. No relationship is perfect, and even in the happiest and healthiest ones, there are still disagreements. It's impossible for 2 people …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:49 AM
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Let's say that we both acknowledge that "status" is sexually attractive in a man. If true, then this sometimes requires input from a woman's female peers on whether the man is attractive or not. I think that depending on the woman the idea of status has varying degrees of importance, say from zero care to caring a lot. In my opinion, women who are unable to reach a conclusion about whether she likes a guy or not without external input have an extremely insecure attachment style. If social media …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:40 AM
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Sure, but the culture would have to care about relationship loyalty first in order to uphold that kind of punishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:35 AM
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To my knowledge, I don't personally know any cheaters, so no. I have no way of noticing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:33 AM
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That's not privilege, that's psychopathy. The kind of behavior you're describing is neither normal for the average woman nor indicative of any elevated position.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:31 AM
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I've hgeard it argued that women are less inclined to like the men they are in monogamous long-term relationships with. Why would she stay then, if she hates him so much? I can't imagine waking up every day next to someone I despise, or even just mildly dislike. I've been with my boyfriend for 20 years...Given that we're unmarried and childfree, you'd think if it was normal for women to dislike their partners, I'd have left buy now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:35 AM
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Less attached to who/what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:39 AM
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Jehovah Witnesses...It's a cult, no matter what lies their PR team tries to spread.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:16 AM
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Thats because women are basically asexual, as ive been saying constantly. What about those of us with a constant, consistent libido? Are we mutants?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:15 AM
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Yes, I know. But I wish I was born male, and that's how I choose to live my life...as close to that as possible. Since magic doesn't exist and I can't change fully into a man, the least I can do is accept the gender roles and live by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:10 AM
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True, that role falls to males automatically by most accounts, but as a strong woman I can at least make that choice to harness my masculine side and stand with my "brothers". I've risked my life and safety for others before, and will do it again in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:07 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:57 AM
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Anyone advocating for women’s interests is a feminist. No. Feminism is an ideology, specifically a movement concerned with the advancement of women in various aspects of society. Someone who advocates for women’s interests can be a feminist, but can also be an egalitarian like me who also advocates just as much for men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:43 AM
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I literally already gave you a multi paragraph response. You even responded to it...? I am fine with "paying the price" of being a bi or gay man. I'd greatly prefer it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:03 AM
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And that's why I would absolutely take being a man, so that I could be with my friends as normal and never be seen as a threat by their women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:44 PM
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What's wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:32 PM
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I'm conventionally prettier than most of them, but not all. Most of that isn't even necessarily "looks", it's just that my lifestyle and diet choices mean I'm significantly more fit than them. I'm also younger than some of them, by anything from 4-8 years. No, I'm the exact opposite of a slut lol. I'm 42 and have only slept with my one boyfriend. And even that didn't happen until I was 23.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:27 PM
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Duh, of course. I'm 42, and have wanted to be male since I was 5. I've had a long, long time to think about this and have determined without any doubt that my life would be better if I'd been a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:22 PM
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That's always the case unfortunately...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:06 PM
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Well, some of the things I already have as a woman. Like I'm 42 and have never been pregnant, I take walks alone at night, I find most men at least somewhat attractive, and I completely disregard anyone who says I must get married. But I've always been a tomboy/masculine woman, and I'm autistic. Growing up as a girl fucking sucked, both because of years of sexual and mental abuse but also because of the "ladylike" expectations put on girls in tradcon communities. Eldest daughter syndrome is some…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:59 PM
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I absolutely would change into a man right now if magic was real. It would make certain aspects of my life ridiculously easier/more socially acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:16 PM
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God I hope so. It'd be pretty damn sexist if they actually hated men to that level.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:56 PM
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There are? Are they insane or just trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:44 PM
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Thank you. And I agree, u/IronDBZ is awesome. Yeah, there are some others, but in general it's like a freaking war zone here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:41 PM
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Maybe there were special provisions against repossession of women's property that made banks reluctant to provide services to women without a co-signer, maybe something else, but men just conspired to keep women down is a hypothesis that I refuse to just accept. I refuse to accept it too. While there absolutely were men in power then (and today, let's be 100% honest) who did want to keep women in lesser/inferior positions in society and the home, I don't believe the average man was like that. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:33 PM
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You are mixing things up here. There are surviving debit bank account books issued in women's names from the US dating back to 1870s. Maggie L. Walker opened her own bank in the US in 1903 and served as its director. Yes, exceptions existed. They were not the rule. Women could initially vote, run for office, and own property without male relatives in much of the "wild west". Those were also exceptions, not the rule. Many banks didn't allow women to have either credit or debit without a man prese…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 07:51 PM
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Are you talking about a specific situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:05 PM
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What country are you from? Nah, in the US most people from rural areas tend to lean very strongly towards conservative/traditional gender roles and perspectives. Even in public school as a kid, with a decent amount of semi-progressive teachers, being egalitarian makes you a bit of a black sheep.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:00 PM
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Absolutely! My taste in men is what the gay community typically refers to as "bears", so that's what I was describing. But different body types in women are beautiful too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:53 PM
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That's fair, I suppose. It could just be where I live...it's extremely rural, not a city or even a large town...but I don't see many people in their 20s or 30s walking around romantically with people who aren't within 1-2 ranks of themselves. Like I've never seen a male 9 with a female 5, y'know?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:47 PM
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Stereotypically/ traditionally, in relationship dynamics, women are valued mostly as they ARE, men on the other hand with what they DO or provide. "Female is the attractive, alluring, beautiful sex; males are ugly and they get to reproduce via provision, security, stability, intelligence etc." This dichotomy. This dichotomy is shit. As a guy, you body not getting deemed as attractive and nice bugs me, it is such a negative situation. Women often complain about the attention they are getting and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:43 PM
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Also, I wanted to thank you for saying you don't expect me to take the blame for the way decades of society has been. In literally every other post on this topic I've commented on, without fail, the other authors have wanted me (and other women who agree with the findings) to feel badly for "contributing to the problem", just for being born female. Typically, but not always, similar posts are made to just say "man good, woman bad". I'll admit I was expecting the same kind of arguments from you, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:31 PM
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Just as I said within my post, since people obviously have been skipping their economics pills, I am here to renew their prescriptions. I did actually enjoy that line lol. I open my secondary post with publication of "The Feminine Mystique", and re-mention it several times as a historical benchmark. Indeed. Not a favorite of mine either, tbh. Personally, I would love if we could all agree that it's a poor book revolving around a thoroughly debunked hypothesis. I do agree. I expect people on PPD …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:43 PM
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It's not "leeching off" if I buy a normal drill that will serve everyone in the family for half a century and then help those older relatives to rearrange shelves in their own house however they prefer (on top of obviously giving the money back after payday). That's very different from being able to loan your child enough money to go buy a car, or having enough savings between you and your wife to buy your child a house, or pay for them to go to college, or immediately pay off any large unexpect…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:35 PM
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Yes, of course. Anyone who has genuine hetero friendships, or a truly loving and caring LTR partner, knows that empathy works across the sexes. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have these relationships however.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:37 PM
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Do women look down upon their husbands/bf Some do. Those aren't relationships worth being in. Most men can get relationship but most men can't get hookups/casual sex,whereas most women can easily get a string of hookups/FWB from hot guys. True in a very general way. When women are in their hoe phase(finding themselves) the looksmatch is not even on the radar as they can easily fuck guys higher smv than themselves. You should say IF, not WHEN. It's not as though every woman engages in hookups, fw…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:33 PM
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Alright, that's fair enough. So as a 42 year old childfree and unmarried woman who has no family ties, has been working full-time every year since I was 15, had to pay for almost every annual physical and all medication out-of-pocket due to lacking insurance, has my own retirement accounts, put myself through college without assistance, and is working 2 jobs as the primary breadwinner for my boyfriend and I to live on...what would you like my response to be? I'm not a part of the issues you spea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:05 PM
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It's just for the point of comparison of "historical progress". For some reason, here on PPD women love to remind everyone how they supposedly "could not get credit cards" when credit cards for ATMs and payment terminals with Internet connectivity will not appear until 11 years later (when the Internet gets invented). I don't know exactly what those other people have said, or how they described it, but what they may have meant wasn't ATM cards but literal credit cards/credit lines with places li…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:48 PM
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If you can get it, sure. Unfortunately there's times when people can't get child support, especially if they've never been married. My example is something one of my customers is currently going through, he's not even able to find his ex-girlfriend since she moved out of state a while ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:07 PM
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So even a single father who left an abusive ex-girlfriend and then suddenly became unemployed a few months later...Even in that kind of rough situation, he shouldn't be able to apply for benefits?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:03 PM
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So what would your solution be? To only have people with children pay taxes related to children? Believe me, as a childfree woman I wouldn't mind keeping a few extra dollars in my pocket every year, but that's not how society has determined it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:56 PM
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I'm 42. In my adult life, I've never been to the hospital. (Heck, even as a child I was only ever in one to be born.) I rarely have insurance so I've paid for nearly all my annual doctors appointments out-of-pocket, and the 2 times I've needed medicine I've had to use their payment plans. I paid my own way through college, and only finished off my student loan when I was 33. I've never used public transportation, it's not available in my area...too rural. As for my retirement, I have never had a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:53 PM
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What about single men who aren't fathers yet their taxes going towards single moms? What about unmarried women who aren't mothers, yet our taxes go towards single moms? Or our taxes that go towards single dads? Or schools for children we don't have? Or state funded daycare and charter schools? I understand how on some level it's frustrating to know some of our hard-earned money is going towards kids we don't have and, in some cases, we never will. But that's the cost of living in a society...tax…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:45 PM
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I see. Yes, I'd agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:33 PM
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I'm not trying to be overly literal. OP is the one who said that women's taxes get distributed "entirely" to other women. It's phrased in a disingenuous way, acting as though none of the hundreds of thousands of dollars full-time women workers get removed from our paychecks over our lifetime ever goes towards either men or general community maintenance/progress. Also, I don't know if he covered it in his other post, I didn't read the entire thing, but what benefits are these women getting that I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:32 PM
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still earn so much less they are almost entirely dependent on state hand outs Do you actually know any women who are getting state funds/financial handouts? I've only known a handful in my entire life, even living in the very rural US where lower-class/lower middle-class wages are the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:26 PM
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I can as well say that if the situation was inversed, i.e. if women's primary source of wealth was their labor, and men's primary source of theirs was inheritance, the only taxable thing would be inheritance. It sounds like you think that a woman's primary source of living income is "inheritance". You mean like when a relative dies or leaves you a bunch of money, or do you mean something else? In my own life I've never gotten any inheritance, and I don't know any men or women who have gotten inh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:22 PM
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Dude, these women sound like psychos. By attacking you, do you mean they're physically assaulting you? Emotionally attacking you is a horrible thing too, but if the woman you're dating is hitting you, forget her stupid abusive ass and leave her. You don't deserve that kind of treatment. How long are you dating these idiots before they're showing their abuse? It could just be the way you're phrasing things, but it sounds like you aren't in LTRs with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:16 PM
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From your link: October 1974, USA: president Gerald Ford signs Equal Credit Opportunity Act into law (which women for some reason consider very important; they too now will file for bankruptcy and have their stuff repossessed for failure to pay interest). I'm not sure why you pointed out only the potential negatives, which don't even affect most people. It's not difficult to understand why we consider having credit in our own names very important. Think of what your life would be like if you wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:09 PM
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Some are, some aren't. Unfortunately that's the answer to many questions here, since there's a whole lotta women on this planet and we're all living our own lives. Personally no, I'm not nicer to rude guys. If they're being rude or disrespectful to either myself or others, they're just marking themselves as men to avoid completely. I'm very turned off, in an almost visceral way, by men (and women) who act so uncivilized and lack all common courtesy. Have I seen women who are nice/sweet to rude m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:46 AM
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u/FurraKafu For some reason reddit won't let me pm you. You know what this is in response to. I don't think they were wrong to do so, no. A lot of these standards are total bullshit. Like I said, if a man's normal, clean, untouched face is perfectly presentable to the world, then a woman's should be too. Honestly I think the body hair thing is dumb as well, where we even have idiots believing male body hair is fine but female body hair is somehow magically "unhygienic and dirty" just for existin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:36 AM
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Personally, I've never taken them seriously. I'm 42, and the only times in my life I've ever worn makeup was as a teenager, and even that was because my parents sat me down and literally put it on me so I'd be forced into looking "presentable". That always pissed me off, even at 14. I'm conventionally attractive, don't have any "blemishes" other than some freckles on my nose, and I was lucky enough to never have acne, just a few random pimples like all adolescents do. What exactly wasn't "presen…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:49 AM
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I genuinely hope some of these arguments against financial abortions are just debate bro'ing, because WHEW these are bad. I agree. Thankfully I believe that they are, or they simply haven't been seriously considered and are just saying misandric stuff because it's expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:13 AM
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OP, what would this look like, in your opinion? Like if you were to write a story about this theory, what's your synopsis?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:39 PM
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So genuinely attractive and at least somewhat charming escort-lite? I'll be honest, sugar relationships are one of the few I don't really know much about other than the basic definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:36 PM
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There was single-man redpill, mgtow, pickup artist, men's rights advocates, married redpill. Incel/blackpill wasn't a thing yet. You want to know how old it went, look up "Angry Harry blog". He died back in 2016, but posted from 2006-2008/2009 about the issues he saw men facing. He was the very first manosphere writer I ever encountered, and even got to pm him for direct conversations at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:34 PM
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I'm 42.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:51 PM
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Nothing wrong with that! I do too lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:01 PM
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Nothing wrong with that! I do too lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:01 PM
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I picked guys from literally every subculture/looks level. I've been reading manosphere blogs since I was 19, and used to take advice from the more dating related ones. A huge emphasis was that men who were the less attractive ones were actually the best people, just never given a chance due to their lack of looks. So when I had spent a couple years having no luck with men I found attractive (which is about 70% of guys I randomly see on the street), I switched to asking out/accepting dates from …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 07:33 PM
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Yeah, I was talking to another person and we figured out I misread her comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 05:05 PM
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How would that balance anything? Most men...and women...work anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 03:44 PM
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It's the general way of the world unfortunately. Although by being the primary initiator/pursuer and having many years of failure to get into a relationship, I've had experiences much more like an average man than an average woman. This is part of why I'm so empathetic towards a lot of the guys here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 03:44 PM
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Hopefully your comment is /s?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 03:39 PM
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Yes. Looking back as an older woman, I do think that the fact I frequently approached guys/asked them out ended up not only lowering my social value in their eyes but also gave them the wrong impression (that I wanted quick sex, not a LTR). And I know it also greatly diminished my social value in the eyes of my female peers. Hell, on this very sub I've been told in the past that it's "slutty" or "crass" behavior for a woman to pursue/show direct and clear interest in a man. Hindsight is 50/50, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 02:43 PM
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Okay? It wasn't meant to be amusing, so...good?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 02:37 PM
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It was just a question dude. You don't have to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 02:19 PM
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Then what's your solution, other than lifelong abstinence to prevent all unplanned/accidental pregnancy?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:56 PM
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If you want to share any insights from the convo, my DMs are open. I'm interested to hear what he says. I will let you know! I am looking forward to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:53 PM
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True, but this is also true for good female friends. Like genuinely good friendship, not newer friends or close acquaintances.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:47 PM
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Lol okay, now I know you're just joking. You got me, I thought you were being serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:46 PM
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Sure, everyone could just remain abstinent forever unless they're actively trying for a baby. But I really don't think you'll find enough men OR women willing to essentially act asexual 99% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:44 PM
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Thanks, Iron. I always appreciate your responses. You've touched on a number of the reasons I finder it significantly more difficult (though not impossible) to have steady female friendships. In my experience it's much easier to accidentally fuck up communication with women than with men, even if you have been friends or aquaintances for a couple years. I mentioned this to another commenter, but I wonder if me being autistic and my boyfriend having ADHD/ADD is the underlying reason he treats me …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:42 PM
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But they also can't terminate the pregnancy if the father DOES want that, and she will die if she can't get an abortion when it's medically necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:35 PM
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Very interesting. Thanks for answering. I see how my boyfriend is different than this, in that he treats me the same as I see and hear him treat our male friends, at least in public. But I chalk that up to both of us being non-neurotypical. It makes sense that more commonly traditional dynamics would work better for neurotypical men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:33 PM
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...what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:29 PM
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How do men have an advantage when abortion is banned?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:27 PM
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Because women (in progressive places) have the ability to decide if we are going to have a baby or get an abortion when an unplanned pregnancy occurs. If the man and woman both want to continue the pregnancy...it's equal. If the man and woman both want to terminate the pregnancy...it's equal. If the man wants to continue the pregnancy but the woman doesn't...it's unequal, but it's also her body so he can't force her to remain pregnant against her will. In this case, the most fair thing is to ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:25 PM
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Correct, but the least we can do is try to make up for a lack of biological equality with legal/social equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:16 PM
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Can't debate, I'm in favor of financial abortion since it's really the only kind of equality we could try to have in this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:39 AM
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And WOULD NEVER treat a girl I want to attract as I would treat a guy. That's like romantic suicide Genuine question. What are some of the main differences? And once you're in a relationship, do you ease up on those differences and start treating her closer to how you treat a guy friend (if she's cool with that)?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:37 AM
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Fair enough, though I'm not a blue piller. If a man is out looking for a girlfriend or a hookup, then in his view women he meets are romantic prospects. Each woman is, of course, able to say whether she's a valid one or not once his intentions are made clear. As a woman in a LTR, I personally don't like getting approached in public while just trying to get my chores done, but it's not as if a random man asking if I'm available is a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:33 AM
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What advice? I'm asking questions to try and understand your way of thinking, not giving advice. Guys should absolutely bring up sexual topics if they're interested in having sex. How else is it going to happen unless it's communicated that's what they want to do? I'm just saying a woman laughing at sexual jokes doesn't inherently indicate she's DTF, it just indicates she finds those kinds of jokes funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:06 AM
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Lol I do the same thing regarding feminists, and like you I've only been wrong twice. Interestingly, both times I left the conversation thinking about how weirdly conservative they were in regards to gender roles, even for women, yet called themselves feminists. Given your flair, I see you're an egalitarian like me. Do you ever get pushback on that label from other men? I've been told that being egalitarian is still not pro-male enough, that only MRAs and redpillers "truly" care about men's righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:00 AM
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I don't understand why there has to be a distinction. What's the difference between talking to someone like a "normal person" and a "normal person you want to fuck"? You say that having sexual innuendos in your conversations help to "learn if she is open to something or not". Ummm...how? Laughing at sexual jokes just means I have the same sense of humor, not that I'm into casual sex or hookups. Maybe it's different for some women, but finding sexual jokes funny doesn't have any bearing one way o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:53 AM
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I only cared this much to point it out because on this sub "different women say different things" is often used as a quick gotcha argument against men who have seen hypocrisy. That's true, I've seen it here and on other blogs and subs too. While it's not necessarily a completely wrong argument, it's just factual that there exists a lot of hypocrisy around the male gender role. Many men (myself included) have seen the same woman say contradicting things. Which is why I always try to ask if the gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:42 AM
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Ah, I misread their comment. I thought she was saying that the women who play games aren't the ones who are complaining about men not upholding traditional gender roles. My mistake. I agree with you, that there are a ton of non gamer women who constantly uphold traditional gender roles for men but can take or leave traditional gender roles for themselves as it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:23 AM
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There certainly are hypocritical women who do that, but in general, gamer women are much less prone to doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:56 AM
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My point is that gaming...whether it's playing videogames or D&D or Warhammer or Magic...doesn't have to use up a huge amount of time. It is the same waste of time when I go for a 2 hour hike vs play boardgames for 2 hours? If my friends and I have a 4 hour long Dungeons & Dragons session, is that wasting more time than reading for 4 hours? If I play Elden Ring for an hour, would I have wasted less time if I went target shooting in my backyard instead? The majority of adults are able to do hobbi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 02:12 AM
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I haven't played Counterstrike or Day Z, but I've played the other two. Yeah, sometimes there's misogynistic idiots but I just either insult them back or let them rant and ramble their ridiculousness into the ether. At some point they either run out of steam and finally play, or another player tells them to shut the hell up. What's your go to method of dealing with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:56 AM
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It’s that people who don’t game don’t wanna be with gamers because they can’t waste IMMENSE amount of time. Who exactly is inherently wasting "immense" amounts of time? And it’s not an activity that you do together then you’re pretty lonely partner; it really is that simple. There's an incredibly large amount of multiplayer games, what are you talking about? And even if I was only into solo videogames, it's not like my boyfriend has to be sitting right next to me every spare moment. We're both v…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:52 AM
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That's...not correct in a general way. That's some psycho bitch level narcissism there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:08 AM
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Ngl, she sounds a bit crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:07 AM
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Forget her, anime is an awesome medium.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:07 AM
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Probably, there's a lot of us. I just came back from the United States largest tabletop gaming convention a few weeks ago. There were approximately 72,000 attendees and they estimated about 40% of us were women. I'm not surprised that there's gamers of both sexes on a hookup/dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:02 AM
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What's your experience been? And are you a videogamer, a tabletop gamer, or both?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:47 AM
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Right? Like most of us gamer ladies are vehemently against traditional gender roles because we generally don't fit in them ourselves. We're usually the last ones trying to get men to be all hyper masculine and stereotypical.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:46 AM
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Any woman who tries to curtail the hobbies of their partner is a toxic sack of shit. No different than any man who tried to curtail a woman's freedom to live her full life and pursue her interests. Agree with this take 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:00 PM
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I know you said that your preference against videogames is irrational, but I just have to ask... Why are you more okay with a guy who touches and molds literal corpses into furry mannequins, compared to a guy who essentially "directs" a solo movie?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:58 PM
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This is the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:54 PM
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Every time?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:53 PM
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Holy shit, that's cheap???
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:52 PM
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What was your experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:14 PM
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That's really unfortunate! I'm a 42 year old woman and have been gaming in all those various forms since I was 11. While there have been some misogynistic or misanthropic dudes, they've been very few and far between. Even when they're total assholes, if you match their energy with similar insults or use "agree and amplify", they're easy enough to handle.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:57 PM
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So he doesn't care "a lot" about your income. He does, because it affords him a far easier lifestyle than he could have on his own. If I suddenly became totally unemployed, the only reason he wouldn't freak out or be worried is because I'm extremely good at budgeting and saving, so we have about 8 months of household expenses in an account. Rather, how about you define eggs "a lot" is? I don't know what eggs you're referring to. Have you asked him this or is this an assumption? "Almost certainly…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:00 PM
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Yeah, I don't believe in modern day patriarchy theory, so there's that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:55 PM
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Can men and women be "just" friends" Absolutely. Throughout my 42 years of life, the overwhelming majority of my friends have always been boys/men, from kindgarten up to current day. How do you feel about your SO having friends of the opposite sex? I'm cool with it, and so is he. I have a lot more male friends than he has female friends, but we know of all of them together. Friends with ex's? I don't have any exes. My boyfriend doesn't talk to any of his. If he was friends with some, it'd be fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:53 PM
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It's going to vary according to each individual, and usually has to do with what they enjoy as well. Unless the guy is playing videogames 40+ hours a week and has absolutely nothing else going on in life outside of work...Videogames are totally cool with me. I'm a gamer too, and having someone to talk about the newest titles and gameplay with is amazing. I'm also a tabletop gamer (miniatures, D&D, Shadowrun, boardgames, card games, painting stuff) and I own a comic book/game store. Both my boyfr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:49 PM
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I’m saying my friends and myself I never Shit tested anyone but I have heard men crying about Shit tests including me... Okay, so you and your friends don't shit test women, but you say you've heard other men complaining about it. So then you do actually know it happens... now tell me is it an American thing that you ask people if they’re bisexual wtf? Uh, no, it's not lol. I was asking because you were speaking about "men don't do mind games" as if you had firsthand knowledge from dating other …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:29 PM
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Me too, I've been a part of various charities throughout my 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:41 PM
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How many men have you dated? Like are you bisexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:40 PM
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I assure you that some do, just like some women do. Not all men, not all women, as usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 05:33 PM
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I agree that some of these would happen, but I suppose I just have more faith in humanity, whether male or female, that eventually we'd come together again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 05:29 PM
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If I somehow lost my morning job and my own business went under? No, he wouldn't. The same way I didn't break up with him while he was unemployed for 3 months. Of course, there are limits. He'd almost certainly break up with me if I decided to be a "homemaker".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 03:51 PM
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The same way women do shit tests. By creating scenarios that poke and prod at your partner to see how they'd react.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 03:49 PM
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Most likely you have, I've been with my boyfriend for the past 20 years (42 and 55). Although I try to keep up with stuff here, I'm not out in the dating world directly. I really hope you enjoy it, animal shelters are wonderful places to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 01:11 PM
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That's so different from my experience with charitable organizations! When I was doing them in my late teens/early 20s, the majority of women were 30 and under.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 01:04 PM
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You'll get different responses from different people, so this is just my own opinion based on years of discussions with feminists, research, arguments, reading feminist literature, and going to a extremely left/feminist college. I'm 42, and have been doing all of the above since I was 19. The ideology I subscribe to and title I use wasn't chosen lightly. Basically, feminism is a woman's movement. It's based on the idea that women need to be brought up to the same level as men in all aspects of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 01:03 PM
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I was able to do these (obviously one at a time) when I had small amounts of free time in between finishing high school + having my 30 hrs after school job, or when I got older I could do them in my little bit of time left between going to college + my full-time job.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:43 PM
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I appreciate it lol. And thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:36 PM
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Yeah, me neither. It's kinda strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:35 PM
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Answering this as an egalitarian woman, I'm not a feminist. Since women are looked down upon in some traditional views, i'm asking if you can be interesting, decent and capable as men are? Yes, I can be, and already am in most ways. The only way I'm not currently is physically, but I can absolutely get better in that regard by doing much more strength training. A lot of the dispute and confusion IMO stems from the experience and observations that women do not act the way feminism implied and how…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:21 PM
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Absolutely. While there are some blue pillers and feminists who are great to discuss their perspectives with, there's definitely others I stay away from because I know we'd never be able to reach common ground because they're "100% right".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:54 AM
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That's fair to feel that way, especially if it doesn't line up with your own desires or experiences. I think it depends on how the portrayal is done. You might be coming at it from the view of "men (or rare women) using sex as the primary motivation to get into a LTR are superficial because they're acting lustful and animalistic". I would agree this type of portrayal is bad although sadly typical. However, we could easily turn this around and do it quite differently. You can instead say "men (or…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:09 AM
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A woman being a “Madonna” would make me considerably more sexually attracted to her. What do you think Madonna means in this situation? Someone who desires me and me only? Yes please! By desire, do you mean they literally find no other men physically attractive, or that they still find other men attractive but only want to have sex with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:44 AM
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Interestingly, I rarely see anyone say to join a charity or community outreach group. These tend to be a lot more women than men, eliminating the "sausage fest" factor, and in my experience being in a few, also tend to be younger single women without kids/parental responsibilities. Ironically, I'd given up on trying to date after 6 years of never being able to get into a relationship and the man who would become my boyfriend had gotten out of a bad 3 year long relationship. The following week, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:33 AM
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What's wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:16 AM
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It's dehumanizing, and just as bad as when the term "females" is used instead of women, gals, ladies, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 03:13 AM
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Oh, well, in that case those males are a lost cause Some are, but others can still be helped with kindness and a willingness to answer questions. Hmm? Like using the term "males" instead of men, guys, boys, dudes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:37 AM
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Regarding the men I'm referring to, they typically see all hetero relationships that way unfortunately. Also, are you using the term "males" ironically?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 01:30 AM
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Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:47 PM
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I think I agree with most of what you said, but what does it have to do with my comment about shit tests? I know some men know how to commit, provide, protect, and plan. Women do too. Imo it's all part of being an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:22 PM
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Depends on the gamers. In my store, most of my customers and friends are pretty ethical people. Don't know what the Dr Disrespect thing is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:05 PM
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Agreed. I'm a woman with a very high libido, more than a lot of men claim to have. When I was single, my primary goal for getting into a relationship was to have non-casual sex. Yes, I of course wanted love, companionship, intimacy, etc. But committed sex with one man was absolutely my biggest motivation to try so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:15 PM
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What about those of us who stated the opposite, that we find a majority of men physically attractive in our daily life? I know we probably weren't a huge portion, but surely we make up a significant amount...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:12 PM
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What kind of risks do I face, in your opinion, as a woman doing the approaching?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:09 PM
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I'm surprised they never mentioned it. Empathy is one of the most important traits anyone can have. Maybe they assumed it was the default, not even necessary to say aloud.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:01 PM
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Because unfortunately on this particular sub there's a abnormally large amount of men who think female friendships aren't real, or are just ways for women to financially and emotionally take advantage of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:04 PM
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Ugh, that's so trashy. Really low-tier behavior from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:27 PM
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Its a test of confidence and fragility and I think if bother partners do it a little it can be quite a nice flirt that allows people to get to know each other. Ehh. Banter and flirting are quite different. That's lighthearted, joking, both people find it stimulating and funny. Shit tests are not described as such. The sentiment should be: everyone has insecurities, lets find out what this person is struggling with. ...but why do a shit test, rather than just asking and then discussing things? I …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 06:58 PM
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I believe they are real, yes. I also believe that only insecure or manipulative women do them. I believe that men also do them. Finally, I believe that doing them is inherently harmful to one's relationship and should be avoided entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:56 PM
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Thanks 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:19 PM
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Hmmm. You think that it's mostly women on reddit have empathy and commitment mindsets?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:17 PM
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Interesting comparison. You have a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:13 PM
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Just to clarify, what exactly do you think those women don't care about?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:11 PM
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Fair enough. You have mentioned in the past that you don't particularly pay attention to usernames.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:10 PM
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Exactly why I'm no longer religious, and I left all that shit behind lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:10 PM
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I think a lot of it depends on how much the guy makes. I care about how much a woman makes because I can't afford a housewife. If I was making 100k or more, I wouldn't care if she wanted to stay home. And that's a both a good point, and totally cool opinion to have. I'm sure there's a bunch of guys who feel the same way. But as both of us know, the overwhelming majority of the population can't afford to live that way. Most couples need 2 incomes to survive and thrive, even if they're lucky enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:09 PM
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I grew up in what would be considered a highly redpill home/religious environment, so it's honestly just listening to a lot of the same talking points I purposely left behind because they didn't work for me/were harming me as an individual. I don't mind these posts, and I actually enjoy talking to any red or black pillers who can remain civil and unemotional. I've had lots of great conversations with various people from those groups, and value the perspectives they have. That's the entire reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:04 PM
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I agree with you on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:06 PM
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I know they do, but not to the extent that some people here act like.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:05 PM
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This is why I am puzzled when so many women automatically side with women when they are in opposition to a man….despite every woman knowing toxic women For what it's worth, I'm a woman and this kind of behavior is puzzling and unethical to me as well. It would be helpful if any women who do this could be honest and open about why they do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:47 PM
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We've spoken many times before, and I agree that you seem to have significant difficulty in understanding women, despite us being human beings too. It would be so interesting to pick your brain and hang out in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:44 PM
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Yes, thank you! It amazes me how few people see these issues, or believe that the way our modern society is has any indication of what men and women are naturally like without this particular fucked up environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:43 PM
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Which would mean the woman being traded away needed to vet much more strongly for empathy and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:41 PM
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I specifically didn't mention looks. Again, we're talking about ways in which personalities are similar. Because after all they are always looking for a provider partner. ...except for those of us who aren't, and don't give a damn about those traits. Outliers, amiright?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:37 PM
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You didn't address my point. Do you or do you not think that the overwhelming majority of men and women try their best to select for LTR partners with the most good personality traits and the least negative ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:54 PM
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I've never found a man in a committed LTR who genuinely doesn't give a damn about his wife's/girlfriend's career and income. Every man I've ever been friends with, worked with, and casually know as a regular customer all care very much about the fact their partners have jobs/money that helps fund their family health, home, expenses, etc. Even in my own life, my boyfriend cares a lot about my income, since I'm the majority breadwinner. Yes, he has a full-time job too, but I have 2 jobs and make a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:52 PM
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I won't comment on sexual appetite, as I'm a straight woman with a very high libido. I don't have any ability to speak on what the average woman's drive is. But yes, it's well known that, in general, men have a higher sex drive than women. I don't think that most people, regardless of gender, seek out particularly different traits in a partner though. Are there a handful of differences, in general? Sure. But the overwhelming majority of both men and women want LTR partners who are empathetic, ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:40 PM
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You're onto something here, but barking up the wrong tree. It's not a case of Younger Women vs Older Women. It's a case of Women With Stable Life Goals vs Women With Fluctuating Life Goals. I'm 42, and I knew the majority of my life goals since around age 16-18. Obviously there's been a handful of minor changes due to things like job promotions, opening my own business, the pandemic, my boyfriend's family's needs, etc. But overall I understood what I wanted my life to be, and worked to keep on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:30 PM
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I agree that in regards to physical strength, height, weight, muscle structure, bone density, etc there's obviously a predominant sexual dimorphism. But OP wasn't talking about that aspect of our species, and neither was I. If you read the post, and my reply comment, we are talking about social and psychological aspects of humanity...mercy, empathy, the ability to be cruel or kind, creativity and accountability, understanding of each other, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:12 PM
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That's great for you. I'm glad your life has absolutely nothing unpredictable ever occurring in it, and you somehow know exactly what will happen to you and your loved ones and coworkers every single day without fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:56 AM
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Okay. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:51 AM
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I don't believe in "female nature" or "male nature", at least not as it's portrayed by redpillers and evopsych people. I believe in human nature that affects our entire species as a whole, which has only small variances according to one's sex. And even those variances don't affect 100% of that sex, just the majority. Men and women are capable of being monsters or saints, assholes or angels, dominant or submissive, helpful or harmful, loving or sadistic, in equal measure. One's genitals and chrom…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:50 AM
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Who said anything about assholes?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:44 AM
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Amen to that. My life has never been boring for longer than a couple of days at a time, and I am very much looking forward to when I can semi-retire and experience some peace. OP doesn't sound like he's middle/working class like the majority of the population, or he's very young and has no lived concept yet of just how busy, difficult, frustrating, and tiring daily life is for most adults. Thinking that any of us, man or woman, desire chaos forcibly injected into our lives is completely out of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:43 AM
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How boring is your life? Seriously, I'm curious, not trying to insult you. Do you work from home all by yourself, and have very little friends and family to talk to or be with outside of working hours, and no partner to speak of, no children or young nieces/nephews to care for, and no customers to deal with day in and day out? Because it sounds like you have a very monotonous, dull, boring life and are heavily projecting this mindset into the lives of women you don't know, who ARE already dealin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:59 AM
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Very few women are attracted to total peace in a relationship. How have you reached this conclusion? As of 2022, there were about 169, 000, 000 women in the United States (just to use my home country). Do you really think the majority of that number craves insanity rather than peace? What number out of 169 million? Think about it—everything in a woman’s life is timed and planned out. Her biological clock is always ticking: menstruation, ovulation, pregnancy, menopause. It’s all mapped out in a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:52 AM
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Ah, I live in the NE US and we don't have as much of a problem with obesity here. Sure, there are some obese men and women, but you're more likely to just see normal overweight people (15-50 lbs, not 80+ lbs). I think part of that is due to the differences in diet, and the fact we have lots of snow to deal with for a minimum of 4 months. When you know you're gonna be out there shoveling wet, heavy snow, you don't want to have a heart attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:05 AM
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By listening to them talk about what they want or think.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:51 AM
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If it's supposedly such a primal thing, why do most men think that being single is better than being abused?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:44 AM
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No, it's black. Neither blue nor red pillers believe that crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:24 AM
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Unfortunately a bunch of guys here are convinced that they would actually prefer being in an abusive relationship vs being single. They say that the current state of the dating world makes it so difficult to find sane, emotionally stable, caring women that they MUST accept abusive women in order to not be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:51 AM
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It's a good question 👍 No, I don't think so. I live in a pretty rural area of upstate NY...lots of orchards, horseback ranches, farmer's markets, wineries, acres of fresh produce. Most everyone here is between a 4-7 in looks. Other than the extremely rare person who was born deformed or was in a horrible accident, I've never seen anyone legitimately ugly. I will say when I go to cities or more populated areas, there are a ton more "beautiful/handsome" people, like 8s, 9s, and 10s. But many of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:47 AM
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What? No. I'm just saying that the overwhelming majority of healthy hetero relationships are between men and women who both love each other and desire each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:54 AM
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Y'know what? If you're with a woman who does somehow crave this kind of whack-ass, unstable, chaotic, manipulative, unhinged behavior...go ahead. Give it to her. My assumption is both of you are crazier than a cuckoo clock factory, but hey, so long as both of you are happy together, I suppose. Really it just helps prevent crazy dudes from intruding on the lives of women who crave stable, peaceful, content, sane, behaviorally mature, and kind men who don't make us cry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:50 AM
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Hmmm, I'm assuming it depends a lot on body type. I prefer heavy/thicc/overweight-but-not-obese men. What's your type?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:45 AM
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We've been together for 20 years, so birthdays haven't followed a specific path, just whatever he wants to do that year. Sometimes this is just staying home binge watching his favorite movies or anime while chowing down on our town's finest Chinese food. Other times it involves going to NYC to visit all the special places and restaurants he wants to see, then going to a Broadway play. As for gifts, they range across the gamut of games, props, cool shit he likes, etc. I think the most I've spent …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:13 AM
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A relationship without both love AND lust in equal measure is either asexual or roommates...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:54 PM
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Very true. The internet ruins so fucking much. Also, listening to the women over on the subs OP talks about is horrible if you're trying to find out what the average woman thinks about the average man. I had to stop going over there, the misandry was both rampant and utterly unnecessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:57 PM
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As a high libido woman with a medium libido boyfriend (who used to be high libido like me), I can honestly say that if this was just How Men Always Are, I'd have at least 2 boyfriends lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:40 PM
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Same here. I generally find most men attractive to some extent. If I had to pick from u/-snickerss- direct question, I'd say about 75-80% of men in my daily life are attractive enough to date/have a LTR with. I'm not picky lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:32 PM
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Women, if you don't find men that much attractive and loveable, are you going to prefer female-female only relationships over men and wish such a society? I personally don't and would not, because I find men easier in general to get along with (better communication style for me, typically more hobbies/interests, more likely to be gamers and enjoy anime) and I find men more physically/sexually attractive than women. If you don't love the men as men love women, are you going to let men cast out an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:31 PM
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Not to me, no. Guys with six-packs and muscular bodies look like Ken dolls or GI Joe action figures. Not hot, not appealing, not attractive, no thank you. Frankly, a lot of them got that uncanny valley thing, like they look kinda fake or plastic. Nobody has a natural body that looks that way. Now, you give me a nice plump man with a decent belly, thicc af thighs, and a roundish, pleasant looking face...That's what attractiveness is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:12 PM
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Settling = having realistic expectations for your partner vs keep stupidly reaching for an unobtainable person who can't exist. You "settle down" with a real person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:19 PM
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Not settling in the negative way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 05:45 PM
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I see a few interesting points here. I think the word "should" is important because it highlights that duty one has to each other in a relationship. What exactly does that duty entail though? At what point does it become a slippery slope of "should" slowly turning into "must"? I have a libido that is constantly turned on 24/7/365, to the point I went to doctors when I was younger just to check if my blood pressure is too high or if I had a neurological condition...nope. My sex drive is just ridi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:49 PM
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Why do you feel that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:44 AM
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That's fine. Although unfortunately there don't seem to be any studies, either past or present. I just wanted you to admit I am not a liar. Having accomplished that, I'm good.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:30 AM
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Yeah, I've spoken to many religious as well as deconverted people over the years (I'm 42) and have found that most religious men and women have at least somewhat unhealthy ideas about love and sex, compared to the faithless/people who were never raised with religion. How do you view sex currently? Like what would you describe the activity to mean, or how do you experience it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:50 AM
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Option one, definitely. I'm a reserved and introverted person myself, but often have to force a extroverted and outgoing personality type for my jobs. Having a partner to come home to who is quiet and good looking too? Hell yeah, sign me up. Ironically my boyfriend is charismatic and extroverted, but I still have to make the first move for sex 98% of the time. Go figure lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:47 AM
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It's kinda weird, I know. Not many people think of sex this highly anymore, at least not without being very religious. I grew up in a JW cult where I was SA'd for years, so you'd think I would view sex negatively rather than positively. Sexual intimacy was rarely spoken about, and on the occasions it was the general idea was that it's a "husband's right and woman's duty"...as if women really don't want or enjoy it, but as the inferior helper to their husband, they have to keep him happy. I got k…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:40 AM
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Good morning.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:29 AM
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I'm not, I'm 42 years old and native to the US. I simply thought it was incredibly ironic that a man's first action upon being asked out by a woman he found unattractive was to do the exact thing that men hate women for. And yet he saw no problem with doing so himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:22 AM
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I didn't...? I just noted how much ostracizing they already encounter from men when they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:50 AM
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Unfortunately, I don't have answers to most of your questions. Remember, this data is from a singular blog post made by an OkCupid writer, way back in 2007. It was a short survey they had their elite/paying members do, not even all the people who used their site at the time. (Honestly, I think this is a big part of the reason for the women being so unrealistic when it comes to ranking the men.) They erased the post pretty quickly, so even though I read it personally when it was available, the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:23 AM
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I've read the articles and agree with the fact that most doctors don't believe the g spot exists/is a separate structure. You may be a biotech, you might not. That's not up to me to determine. But the way you initially referred to the clitoris purely as "external and above the vaginal opening" is a little...odd. Perhaps it's just how you phrased it, but by calling the "g spot" internal but the clit external, when most of it is fully inside the body? A bit weird for someone who sees bodies freque…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:10 AM
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I'll watch the video on my way home, but you understand how nothing in my previous comment was a lie, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:51 PM
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Do you have any recent (last 5-6 years) scientific studies to back up this assertion? Or are you just referring to the one solitary OkCupid survey (not study, and not open to all their members) done back in 2007?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:53 PM
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No, I mean the clitoris. The "g spot" doesn't exist as a separate organ, it's just the name semi-inaccurately given to the internal sections of the clit. The small portion of the clit that can be seen on the outside is only a fraction of the full organ, which is much larger and has more internal parts. Your entire clit is about the size of your palm. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/15/3d-model-clitoris-sexual-revolution-sex-education-womens-sexuality https://www.healthline.com…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:48 PM
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I suppose. It doesn't do anything for me, but could work on some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:32 PM
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It is not a lie. I'm discussing the results and data from the 2007 OkCupid survey that gets frequently referred to here as evidence that "women find 80% of men below average in looks". While it did indeed show that data from those app members, it went into other details about who gets messaged, by whom, what men ranked women at, etc. It was an entire huge blog post with multiple graphs before they deleted it. You don't have to like the information from the survey, but it's helpful to know more o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:31 PM
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Fair enough, but other than possibly the fact he has a bachelor's degree, nothing in this person's flair shows any amount of authority. Even the degree is not really helpful, since he didn't put what field it's in. I'm confused as to what in his little bio shows he knows anything more than anyone else, or why his opinions carry any more weight than every other person here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:24 PM
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Lol it really should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:11 PM
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Some of us can orgasm from it, because it stimulates the other side of the clit. It also just feels good when prepped properly, not the same sensitivity and pleasure as piv obviously, but for me it still results in an orgasm and general sexual satiating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:11 PM
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Greater authority about what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:04 PM
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I wasn't thinking of settling as a downward/bad thing. It's a neutral/realistic thing. On PPD it seems that the word is consistently assumed to be the negative version, when a fair amount of us are just using it to mean you don't reach for something that's too rare to realistically have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:02 PM
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I can't speak for every woman, but in my opinion it does. I already covered the income aspect, that not having kids means + having my own business = I don't view men as providers, since I'm already providing for myself. I don't like tall men, they inherently make me feel like I'm being loomed over and it's disturbing. It may go back to me not having any protective men in my life as a child, only abusive ones, so my instincts assume "tall = harmful". I'm 5'7 and my boyfriend is only 5'10. When I …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:37 PM
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That's fine and all, but it does contradict your original explanation about shared values. If you just think high n counts are icky, you can just say that. No need to dress it up in theory. I'm not being contradictory though. Just because he doesn't think of it as the same exact level, doesn't mean it's not a similar level. Given that you already said this hypothetical man has an average male libido which is pretty powerful, and he has had a few previous sex partners, and yet still refrained fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:22 PM
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I agree with this, yeah. Although having a low N is absolutely one of my top requirements (rather than preferences, which are more malleable/disregarded), I can see how for a lot of other women it's not. I'm pretty lucky, on an individual level, to be childfree and to own my business and be debt free...it means I don't care about any man's money or career or status. This leaves those "slots" open for totally different priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:03 PM
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I'd pick the man with low N, because even though he currently doesn't think of sex at the same level, at least I can still get laid by him numerous times a week AND know he hasn't fucked a bunch of random women. I'm also very cautious of the idea that the slutty guy has genuinely somehow completely switched his entire mindset about sex. Even if he's "not that guy" now, his past is still a major part of him. Actions have consequences. It's like how I'd never date a man who'd been an alcoholic, a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:58 PM
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What does he mean by "a big deal"? Like does he still have a decent libido?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:17 PM
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It's a higher priority for men, but still high for most women too. People are treating it like it's a priority level 10 for men and only a priority level 2 for women, which is laughable. It's more like a 8 for most men and a 6 for most women. For me it's an 8, but I admit that's high for a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:29 PM
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That's why it's so incredibly important to vet for low N men who are also somewhat attractive. It's far, FAR better to have a man with Looks = 6/7 and N = 4 versus a man with Looks = 9 and N = 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:15 PM
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Actually it is. The overwhelming majority of us have zero desire for sluts. We want men with a bit of experience, such as 3 or 4...maybe 5...previous sex partners. Once you get over that handful, our desire for a man dips drastically.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:43 PM
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True. In general, women are slightly more accepting of a man's past. But the majority of us aren't wanting a slut if we can have a man with a lower N.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:02 PM
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I don't want a man who flings his dick around like confetti at a parade.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:00 PM
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I never have, I think it's rude
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:58 PM
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So they're still settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:57 PM
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Using the same data, you could say that since the majority of men only pay attention to the top attractive women, you have to spend a ton of time and money becoming hyper attractive to get even an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:20 PM
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I'd take a kissless virgin 100 times over a slut once.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:14 PM
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Exactly this!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:13 PM
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Well that's just wrong, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:13 PM
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That was based on a single survey (not even a study) done back in 2007, by the paying members of OkCupid. The data is far more interesting than just this one tidbit, from such an incredibly narrow group. It showed that although 80% of the male members were considered less than average attractiveness, female members still messaged the overwhelming majority. The members were ranked 1-5, and women messaged men who were 5s far, far less than the men they ranked 1-3, with 4s being a steep decline. Ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:01 PM
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Why didn't you tell her you weren't interested, or say you already had a girlfriend? We exchanged numbers and everything, but promptly afterwards I blocked her. Lol when women talk about doing this, apparently they're Satan incarnate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 11:35 AM
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I thought they usually say that personality doesn't matter specifically for women who want one night stands/hookups, since that is primarily based on looks and they're never going to see the guy again? To answer your question, no, I would never be with a man who was violent, abusive, had a horrible criminal past, etc. I don't know anyone who would.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 11:12 AM
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I'm a woman, and despite some dudes here claiming that "women never care about men's high N", I'm vehemently against dating any man who's had a lot of casual sex partners. Not because it's immoral or unethical...I'm an atheist, and obviously don't think it's a sinful thing. The reason is because I think your partner in a long-term committed relationship should have similar beliefs and value the same things as you do. Since I value sex as the physical manifestation of love, and something incredib…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 11:04 AM
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Lift and Lurk is the PPD wise man on top of the mountain lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:50 AM
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What if he just decides to break it off? Incredibly doubtful at this stage. He is 55, after all, and randomly wanting to find a new girlfriend when he already has a great one would be highly illogical. Unfortunately it's because, despite all the financial equality and social advancements we have as women in a western society, far too many still see men as inherent providers. It's a type of entitlement that appears to be exceptionally difficult to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 10:25 AM
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Oh, it's fine for other people. Personally I just see it as beneficial only for couples with children. I've known since I was 16 that I never wanted kids, and my boyfriend is also childfree. In fact, he got vasectomized years before I ever met him (a big plus in his favor...inability to get me pregnant!). I don't need a document from our town hall saying we're in a relationship. It's not like it could improve how we feel towards each other lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 10:21 AM
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Lol that argument has always annoyed me to no end. It's even worse because I'm autistic. I've literally had people on this sub try to say my brain is permanently undeveloped...Ngl, sounds pretty fucking ableist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 10:12 AM
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I love him more than any other person in my life, and I trust him implicitly as he is right now. He could legitimately hold a knife to my throat and I wouldn't be worried at all. Extreme example, but he's never done anything to harm me after 20 years together. However, I can't predict the future. What if he gets into a car accident that damages his brain in such a way as to make him a different person? Or if he someday needs medication that ends up fucking around with his moods? A prenuptial wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 10:10 AM
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That's really good to hear. Meritocracy is certainly the best way to go about the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 10:04 AM
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Interesting. My boyfriend was 36 when he started dating me at 23. I was the youngest woman he'd ever been with in any way though. Like most men, he always dated/had sex with women who were within 3 years of his own age. He was kinda hesitant at first when we began going out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:52 AM
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Holy shit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:48 AM
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That's fair. I'd definitely say don't get married in CA then, if you even want to at all. If you're not interested in having kids, frankly I see no need for it. My boyfriend and I have been together 20 years without that paperwork/ceremony. It's not as if marriage is a requirement for a happy LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:48 AM
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You're welcome. I did note that one's monthly cycle doesn't inherently make one "go bonkers" though. Just so we're clear, I'm agreeing that if Person B does experience drastic mood shifts or impaired decision making capabilities during her period...then yes, that woman would be a worse leader. But when you have a man (Person A) and a woman (Person B) in which neither of them ever "go bonkers", then both are going to be good leaders.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:46 AM
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If you find anything detailing that, I'd be interested in reading it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:40 AM
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That's not logical, that's just sexist. If hate speech against women is illegal, then hate speech against men should be illegal too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:40 AM
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Idk, I'd still get one if I ever married my boyfriend since I have a lot more assets than him. If a prenuptial is really that easy to overturn, why the hell are they even offered?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:38 AM
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I already answered...?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:35 AM
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I absolutely think it should be considered the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:35 AM
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What the actual fuck...? What kind of place do you live in?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:33 AM
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Why wouldn't you get the best lawyer available to draw up a prenuptial with that kind of money?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:29 AM
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According to the article, it's supposed to address cultish rhetoric spouted by idiots like Tate, or misogynistic threats that could lead to actual hate crimes. Just talking about how it's difficult to get dates nowadays isn't under attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:28 AM
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Some of them are, true. But just because you miss out on teenage love doesn't mean you'll become a radfem. Heck, you don't even have to be a normal feminist. I didn't get to experience love or sex until I was 23, and I've never in my life been a feminist. It's quite possible to have very little luck in dating, and become frustrated and depressed with your personal failure, while still believing in equality for men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:22 AM
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That's really disheartening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:17 AM
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Then in that woman's case, yeah, she wouldn't be as good a leader. But thankfully, menstruation doesn't do that to all of us. I've read accounts from some women that truly sound like their brains go haywire, whereas for myself and others, it's not noticeable at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:13 AM
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Then in that woman's case, yeah, she wouldn't be as good a leader. But thankfully, menstruation doesn't do that to all of us. I've read accounts from some women that truly sound like their brains go haywire, whereas for myself and others, it's not noticeable at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:13 AM
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Oh, you mean you're 44 and dating a woman in her 20s?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:09 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:08 AM
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Idk man, I'm 42 and I still blush whenever my boyfriend unexpectedly hugs me or takes my hand for a moment when we're out on a walk. It doesn't matter how many decades we've been together, it still feels very special. Even after 20 years of being the one typically initiating sex, when he responds to my request positively, I still get butterflies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:08 AM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:02 AM
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Yes, of course we do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:01 AM
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We hopefully find love later, just like men who miss out on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:01 AM
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So long as X decisions are good ones, Person A would be. What is causing Person B to "go bonkers" though?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 08:59 AM
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I live in a liberal city, zero interest from women. I'm not attractive enough. That's honestly unfortunate. The men women want are lol. Only the women who are interested in casual sex. Not the rest of us. This is just not true lol It is, without a doubt. If the only 2 choices possible are a virgin or a slut, the majority of women would choose the virgin. Well I'm 30 and exactly 0 women are interested in me While that is indeed unfortunate for you (not saying this in a mean way), most men in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 02:23 AM
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Well personally I'm a VERY liberal man. But I've never had a girlfriend, women don't tend to like liberal guys. You should move to NY and stay near the cities. It's something basically all guys want. Incorrect, but probably true for the men you've personally spoken with who have that opinion. That's a perfectly valid perspective. But most women don't seem to care. We absolutely do. Most men simply aren't sluts though. We don't have to complain about something that is relatively rare. If 75% of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:42 AM
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Men and women are not the same. We want different things in each other. For example, women often say they want a man who "protects" them and makes them feel safe. Do men say that about women? Pretty much never! You haven't met many liberal men, I see. ;) Likewise, in general men want a woman who is demure and modest, and maybe sexually inhibited in private but only with them. Do women tend to want this? Not really. In fact for women it's a turn off if a man is a virgin, but not vice versa Sounds…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:19 AM
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The most ridiculous thing about the "no hymen, no diamond" dudes is every one I've ever personally spoken to is also vehemently anti-marriage. Literally all, no exceptions. While I'm sure at least one exists out there who is consistent, as in he does actively want marriage and is specifically attempting to find a virgin to wed, I find it amusing that the other 99% are just not interested in marriage at all. Like, who exactly are these specific men threatening to not give a diamond to...?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:06 AM
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Because unfortunately a lot of people, men and women alike, don't think trans women are "real" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:00 AM
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"it’s not hypocritical for me to romantically prefer women who have lower n counts while having a higher n count myself." It's not hypocritical necessarily, but it does show disrespect for his future wife imo. He's wanting a woman who has decided to only share her body with a very select few men, whereas he is out there renting his dick out to numerous women. He's allowed to have preferences, nobody is denying that. But it certainly does smack strongly of disrespect, that he wants a woman who va…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 12:59 AM
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Sure it is. I never said otherwise. I just am of the opinion that, in general, having a relationship with someone who shares your same ethics and values is better than with someone who holds the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 10:56 PM
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Do you prefer a man who is taller than you? No, I much prefer men who are around my height. Do you prefer a man who is less emotional and more stoic than you? No, I prefer men who are my level of stoic and is an emotionally stable adult, just the same as me. Do you prefer a man who is stronger than you? No, but unfortunately biology sucks. More funny than you? No, I prefer a man who shares my sense of humor and laughs just as much at my jokes. Has more penises and fewer vaginas than you? Cis men…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 10:28 PM
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Damn, it's like my childhood, but the sexes reversed. I wish magic was real. Even today, I'd give every penny I have to be turned into a man...or better yet, that I grew up as a boy too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 08:34 PM
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Not exactly about N count, but it's a pet peeve of mine that in English we typically say a guy/gal "loses" their virginity or their partner "takes" their virginity. It kinda goes with how I don't like how common it is to say women "give" men sex, even when in the context of a relationship where the woman is the one constantly initiating and requesting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 08:30 PM
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Personally I find it much easier to hold myself to the same general standards I hold my partner. I don't have a high N, and I would never date a man who has a high N because obviously our values are quite different. Just like I don't do drugs, and would never date a man who does them. I don't smoke, and would never date a smoker. I don't speed around like an asshole, cutting off people while driving, and wouldn't date a man who acts like that. But if you're honest and upfront with a low N woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 08:23 PM
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Very true. I suppose in a way it was good I had numerous "free trials" so I could without a doubt say I wasn't interested in a "subscription".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:15 PM
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Well, then all I can say is other couples must have pretty boring and monotonous conversations with their partners. My boyfriend and I have been together for 20 years, and are still finding new topics, opinions, fantasies, ideas, and the like to talk about on our daily walks or car rides. We've spoken at length, for literally hours upon hours, about all those topics and so many more. I honestly have a very hard time believing we're somehow the only couple who does so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:19 PM
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That's such a kind thing to say. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:14 PM
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I think most women, and men, have social media. However the overwhelming majority of us aren't trying to sell our bodies. It's not as if most of us are hot or popular enough to ever do so, even if we wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:13 PM
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We can be, and usually are. But evidently you've mostly known manipulative and/or lying women most of your life, which is extremely unfortunate and I do feel sympathy for your circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:46 PM
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Are we lying about it though? Or are you talking to 25 different women, getting 3 main answers, and then saying "we" can't make up "our" minds? Because let me tell you, there's a bunch of women I very much disagree with here, and I don't think any of us are lying. We just have very different opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:36 PM
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For what, maybe at the most 10% of us? It's not as if the overwhelming majority of us are sex workers lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:34 PM
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What country are you from? I live in the United States, specifically very rural NY, and yes, I've always been able to have individual freedom and survived for many years on my own, without even any family to rely on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:32 PM
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I've known I didn't want kids all the way back at 16 because I didn't enjoy raising my 6 siblings, and I'm now 42 with the same exact reason for never reproducing. Never once has my reason changed, and never once has my decision wavered. Watching friends and coworkers kids only further solidified my decision that children were not something I ever wanted in life. Where's the lie? It's one thing to say that some women flip flop between wanting kids or not. That's true, and I find it odd, but what…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:29 PM
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As I said to the other guy, in the beginning stages of initial dating and getting to know each other on a basic level...yeah, you're probably never going to be discussing what you think about the concept of an afterlife, or how sentient life formed, or what the future of artificial intelligence and android civil rights will be. But after a couple months of consistently seeing this guy/gal, you'll want to start talking to them about more than what you plan to have for dinner or what happened at w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:24 PM
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How many childfree women do you think are like this, versus those of us who don't care about any of that shit and simply don't want to raise another human for 18+ years? Do you find childfree men just as dumb, inconsistent, and hookup obsessed as you apparently think childfree women are?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:10 PM
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I'm 42, but I've known I wanted to be permanently childfree ever since I was 16. Never once has my stance wavered. I'm the oldest child out of 7 siblings and 8 cousins, and grew up in an insanely conservative and religious community. Think of the normal issues present in Eldest Daughter Syndrome, then ratchet it to 11. I have a wonderful, very longterm boyfriend (also childfree, btw!), make good money, own my own business, am debt free, own a house + 2 cars, and have a lot saved in retirement fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:57 PM
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Do they? Or is it just that we're open to talking about it more now than in the past, AND have better tools for diagnosing mental illness, AND are no longer removing people with minor mental issues from the general population (aka being forcibly sent to insane asylums).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:38 PM
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I very much agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:08 PM
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OK, idk what that has to do with my point You asked what was average intelligence. I was simply answering you. Yes obviously but men won't lie about wanting someone "interesting" in their social media profile So if you admit that the average man isn't interested in thoughtful conversation, as well as the average woman, what was the point of your first comment? It very much read as though you believe that the average man off the street is craving deep conversations, but the average woman is not. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:07 PM
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By "they mock us for this" i didn't mean they mock us for speaking about that issue, I meant men are mocked for having that issue in the first place. That's just as bad though. Mocking someone who has X problem is a terrible thing to do, just as much as mocking someone who's openly discussing X problem. One is I suppose a general condemnation and the other is an individual one, but both are immoral actions. This can be gauged by seeing just how popular it is to use words like "incel" or "insecur…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:03 PM
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Quite the contrary, the western world is going through some rough patches but society as a whole is doing better now than it was in the past. Shambles is not how I'd describe most western nations in 2024. I have too, as well as men treating their wives and gfs as such. The person you see in public is not always the person they really are, which is why trust should not be given out readily.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:54 PM
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Average intelligence is usually defined as a score of 100, if we're using IQ tests. But if we're going with actual averages, in the US the average IQ is about 98, with the majority of people being somewhere between 85 and 115. So yes, the average man and average woman do have average intelligence. From my experience living 42 years as a rather nerdy, autistic woman who has minor degrees in psychology, philosophy, and theology, I can confidently tell you that the average man also isn't interested…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:44 PM
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Two things: One, there is a difference between caring about someone and desiring them. I have a general level of care and agape love for nearly every person I come across in daily life. Like when I see random men struggling to carry shit, or having an issue with a self checkout machine, or having car trouble, I stop to see how I can help. It's just that core principle of empathy you innately have for others. I absolutely care about 95% of men, as well as women and children, but I think this is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:30 PM
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People who are friends do naturally listen and support each other through rough times, and in opposite sex friendships she should be his shoulder just as much as he's her shoulder. Otherwise I genuinely would not consider them friends, since reciprocation is a requirement to most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:00 PM
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Are you saying the average woman doesn't have an average intellectual level?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 11:53 AM
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Anyone who mocks another person for speaking about their problems is a piece of shit. Yeah, she's not his therapist, but there's a ton of men on this sub who obviously have few social outlets and are needing someone to talk to for their mental health. I know that, by simply being active in this sub, there's a non zero chance I'll get pm'd by a random man who wants to vent or discuss his feelings. It happens 2 or 3 times every month. If having conversations with men who are hurting is something a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 11:52 AM
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It is extremely dangerous for men to get married in this world and I don't think it's wrong to be opposed to it, but I wonder if a woman who wanted marriage could be compatible with that, and settle. It's the same level of commitment, nothing is different besides legal shit. Depends on if the couple is going to have children or not. I'm childfree, as is my boyfriend, so we've been together for 20 solid years and never felt any need to get married. Neither of us has ever questioned our level of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 11:41 AM
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Not every woman, obviously. I've met some who are incredibly shallow thinkers, not much going on upstairs and no desire to change that. Likewise there's some men who have minds no deeper than a puddle. But I think once you get to the average intelligence level and higher, it's likely that person will indeed crave thoughtful conversation. After all, the brain hungers similar to the way one's body does.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 11:30 AM
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Ahhh. Will you post the results for us in a follow-up?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:14 PM
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Yes, I would be quite open to both dating him and having sex with him, provided obviously that we get along well and find each other attractive. I'm curious about your gathering of data for a future discussion. Is this leading up to a larger post here, or something you'll be writing for a different sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:25 PM
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I haven't seen that kind of correlation. Neither my boyfriend nor I even have ourselves as our pfp's, we have one of our pets. A lot of our friends in relationships do something similar, or only have themselves. I only know 2 couples who feature both people as their pfp on each of their profiles. I do know a number of couples where one person has a dual pic, but their spouse only has themselves alone. A bunch of these particular couples don't seem happy or content with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:52 PM
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Yes, I'm 100% in favor of men having government programs at both the local and federal levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:24 PM
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The true reason women like Pearly Things will absolutely never be in a LTR. She legitimately seems like a terrible person to be around, and is so taken in by the "ultra masculine men are the only REAL men" trope that any unfortunate dude who dates her would have to "hold frame" 24/7/365.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:22 PM
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Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:18 AM
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Are you implying that people/women are entitled to other people “existing in their minds” Of course not. This hypothetical woman is not entitled to not being ostracized She is though. If you're found to be actively ostracizing a coworker, she has a case to bring to HR. It's called creating a hostile work environment, and the majority of companies take it quite seriously because it could mean a lawsuit if they don't fix things between you two. You don't have to like all your coworkers. I had a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:08 AM
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It isn't though, because nobody should be basing their worldview on nothing more "scientific" than a Facebook poll or Cosmo survey. Or at least I really fucking hope nobody is doing that. Dating apps in general are shit, because they are so overwhelmingly male that any actual women on them are only going to go after the top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:02 PM
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Could you link one of these scientific studies? I'm genuinely curious to read anything you know of. I've yet to find anything other than casual polls or surveys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:44 PM
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This is the only answer that needed to be said.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:37 PM
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Absolutely. My boyfriend isn't technically bisexual, but he has told me about the experimentation he did with a couple of guys in high school. I find it incredibly sexy to know I'm with a man who was curious and open-minded enough to not unnecessarily limit his possibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:36 PM
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I'm not going to "hyper focus" on anything. Besides, why would you assume that one, of all possible traits? It's not even the most important one lol. What I'm confused about is what you wanted people to disagree with. Did you want a bunch of members to try and claim that women are actually entitled to anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:00 PM
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Lol, well then...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:14 PM
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Other women have actually told you these things...?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:04 PM
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Where do you get the idea that we like being thought of/referred to as products, or that we don't enjoy initiating sex with men we love/are attracted to, or our "number one" fantasy is rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:34 PM
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I'm glad it didn't bother you, and that's certainly one way of looking at it. But obviously that's not the case for most of these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:29 PM
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At least those feelings would be completely validated and make sense though, because you're talking about the same exact people. Except on incredibly rare occasions, I don't see men who've become successful/attractive later in life talking about how they were suddenly chased by the same cheerleaders who used to make fun of them in high school. Hell, I experienced something similar at my last high school reunion, where I found out I'm much better looking and have been far more successful in life …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:33 AM
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I've only been with one man, but giving me oral was one of the first sexual things we did after I was comfortable being fully naked together. He enjoys it a lot, just as I enjoy giving him oral too. If I ever have to date another guy, enjoyment of giving and recieving oral sex with definitely be a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:04 AM
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Jesus, if that’s the case where did the “men are selfish in bed” stereotype come from? Probably from the orgasm gap data. Seems like men have always been giving head to women Throughout human history, yeah absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:00 AM
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It's only prevalent in certain sections of the internet, as far as I can tell. Irl the only men I've met who say they refuse to give a woman oral are all hyper religious. They believe doing so is not only sodomy and therefore sinful, but also that oral is somehow inherently "submissive".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:54 AM
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I just think that most women find most men undesirable and unattractive, and this is borne out by the data. Is your data limited to that one survey (not a study, not performed using controls) done by OkCupid back in 2007? Or do you have some new, actually scientific data you're basing this on?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:24 AM
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True, but at least she knows what normally gets her off and can share that knowledge with him for a much higher chance of both of them being satisfied. And of course he should share his with her too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:23 PM
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Depending on your region, occupation, family or medical issues, whether you got laid off or furloughed, etc. The results of the pandemic have fucked up many peoples lives far more than the 3 years we dealt with just the virus. It's not strange at all to assume that his late 20s were screwed over like so many people were.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:09 PM
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I have higher than an average man's libido, purely because of male anatomy limitations. But yes, there's a reason I empathize so much with men who have no luck in dating. I know exactly what it's like to be shunned again and again, and it really does break you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 11:53 AM
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A lot of men on this particular sub like to claim that, but in my personal experience of 6 utterly failed years of trying to date, men outside of PPD do not think this way. In the real world, the default from the majority of young men is this: Try to get her to have sex by or before date 3. If she doesn't, then she's "not interested" and you ghost her immediately. Maybe if you're nice you'll say you feel uncomfortable being her first, or you'll say you're not compatible because you want sex a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 11:04 AM
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I’m willing to try, but my fate is likely that a man will pretend to really care about my life and our mutual happiness while actually selecting me for my tits, and once he has unfettered access, the pretense will drop and he will expect me to serve as bangmaid, not equal partner. Why do you think this is your most likely fate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 10:42 AM
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while she would love a long term relationship with me she wouldn't ever want to have sex with me and would prefer someone else Wait. So she would supposedly love a LTR with you but only if she was able to bang other men...?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 10:21 AM
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This is the same exact reason a bunch of men ghosted me, because they automatically assumed that if I was high or even mid libido, I'd be out there spreading my legs at any opportunity for any dick possible. The truth is you can have a very high libido but still have standards for who you share your virginity with. Some people are fine with sharing it haphazardly or with a random date, but some of us want to wait until it's with someone who genuinely loves us. This second route is obviously more…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 10:19 AM
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Not necessarily a big or even small red flag in our post-pandemic world. Everyone's lives were dumpster fires for a few years, and I know a bunch of men who openly admit they didn't go on a single date for those 3 years everything was shit. If he uses that as part of his already realistic explanation, I think it would only be a yellow flag due to everyone's shared global experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 10:13 AM
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Just say you’ve been focusing on other goals and you’re finally at a point where you want to focus on dating & romance. This is the way
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 10:08 AM
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An orgasm is desirable and appreciated, but you don’t know and she doesn’t either what’s involved. I'm confused about this part of your advice. It's understandable that he wouldn't know what's involved for making her orgasm as their first time together, but how would she not know?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 10:07 AM
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This. And for the person who actually did the false claim, they have to serve the same amount of time that the falsely accused did.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:59 PM
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This is absolutely no way to make that right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:57 PM
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I think we just disagree then. 🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:54 PM
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In my opinion, it still would be. Like if I'd had a bunch of casual sex in my youth and then when I turned 35, I decided to get married and only have sex with my husband, it's not like I could say I "moved past it". I'd still have been a slut in my life history. Actions/behaviors are still a part of you, as are any consequences from doing XYZ. That's why it would be hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:13 PM
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Loyalty means you have steadfast dedication to that person or morals, even in the face of temptation. I don't have any family, so other than my own morals or various employers, I've been loyal to my boyfriend of 20 years, and my friends as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 09:37 PM
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I grew up in a very large house. I lived by myself in an apartment from 17-28. Moved into my boyfriend's larger apartment from 28-36. Bought a medium sized house together at that point. We're childfree, but I don't think it's bad to raise children in an apartment so long as there's enough room.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 08:43 PM
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Almost always just trolling or because you said something during a conversation that called them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 08:38 PM
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Wish I could understand it. I hear people say it's because most women want to feel protected by their man, but like...protected from what? 🤔 I wish I was either a few inches taller or my bf was a few inches shorter. Whereas he wishes he was like 6'5 instead of 5'10...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 08:25 PM
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Wait...how do you know? You're not OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 08:19 PM
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That's why you should stay off twox. If you're looking for women with any sense of humor or empathy for men, it's not there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 08:18 PM
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Lol, y'know I think it's regional to my area of NY. I tend to hear more people say "that's total suck" etc rather than "that's sucky".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 08:09 PM
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That's incredibly suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 08:01 PM
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I don't find either of their "jokes" funny, but think the old coworker has less of a sense of humor than the woman does since he suddenly took it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 07:54 PM
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...did he become less attractive to the first woman after the comment by the second woman? Like she made some followup comment saying "thanks for the warning" or similarly horrible?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 07:52 PM
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Again thats a general statement Yeah, that's what I said lol. Hell people were having kids back in the day at 12 years old but there was a time that people took on more responsibility at an early age. Yes, and maternal deaths were at an all time high because literal children shouldn't be having babies. Just because a child can get pregnant doesn't mean they should under any circumstances. This one of the reasons why I'm against people having to wait til their 18 before their an adult cause I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 07:07 PM
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There is mental and emotional age to consider as well, not just physical. Most people under the age of 23 or 24 nowadays aren't mature enough to raise a child...either man or woman. Some are, certainly, but in general absolutely not. An eighteen year old couple dealing with a baby for the first time vs a 25 year old couple with their first child? The 25 year olds are overwhelmingly going to be doing better for themselves, each other, and therefore the baby has a superior chance of being cared fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 06:13 PM
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Because men and women are not the same. Different interest and different goals. Fair, but with that logic men and women can be friends if their interests and goals align.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 03:15 PM
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You could probably tell by trying to introduce her to your own female friends, or having get togethers where she'd be able to hang out with other women as well as men. If she's down to talk and try to have fun with other women, that's a good sign. If she snubs all of them or mocks them, she's got issues to fix. Like I don't currently have any same-sex friends, but I've had them in the past, and I think it'd be cool to have female friends again. At least I tried to become friends with a couple of…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 02:54 PM
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If she only ever has guy friends on purpose, like out of a weird need for male attention or because she's misogynistic, that's a huge red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 02:36 PM
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I don't have male friends. I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum, I don't have any female friends. Not due to any internalized misogyny bs, just haven't made any new ones in the few years since my last one moved to Canada with her husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:59 PM
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None of these are concerning to me. I find all of them acceptable, because I've fallen into a few of these types of opposite sex friendship ratios myself over the years. It would be hypocritical to have a problem with any of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:35 PM
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The only way, literally ONLY possible way, I could see her claim having the slightest validity is if you blatantly and obviously ostracize her while with other coworkers. As in high school bully level of behavior, like stop talking mid-sentence as soon as she joins the group, speaking over her as if she doesn't exist, refusing to acknowledge her physical presence in any capacity, actively dismissing anything she says as if nobody spoke...Basically playing "you don't exist" mind games. But if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:16 PM
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This statement is far truer than it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:03 PM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:20 AM
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That's not true. Where did you get that idea? The health risks for women only begin from mid-late 30s onwards, not nearly as early as you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:20 AM
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Usually when people talk about "older men" they're thinking of dudes in their late 30s or 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 10:54 AM
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I agree with you on both topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 10:23 AM
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The feminist-relevant question is whether only men who’d like to vote must register or both genders that would like to vote must register. The equal answer is that both sexes need to sign up for the Draft. But I've yet to see a feminist say this. Instead they just keep reiterating that it should be done away with when we all know that unfortunately won't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 10:21 AM
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Speaking as one of those women who likes sex as much as a typical man...I can admit my bf has used sex as a way to incentivize me to do things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 09:57 AM
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according to men here if a woman doesnt sleep with you quickly then shes either not interested in you or its a red flag she has a low sex drive Or that we're "obviously" prudish ice queens who will only give completely vanilla missionary sex once a month. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 09:50 AM
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I agree with you but have been told I'm a man hater for having this opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 09:45 AM
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Not for nothing, but the majority of this list made me cringe. The only 2 things I can get behind are the "no negging" and "don't pressure for sex", but those are just normal behaviors. Chivalrous stuff like this is a giant turn-off, and imo not romantic at all. On the other hand, I love doing romantic stuff for my boyfriend...just none of this crap lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 09:40 AM
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Judging by the OPs posts and comments, I'm fairly confident they're doing it on purpose to show that some men do actually care about being called "males" all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 09:35 AM
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Yup. That's why I've never been a feminist. Not really in favor of a movement that pertains primarily to the advancement of only one sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:52 AM
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I agree with throwaway. What did you want people to say here? That women are entitled to any of these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:13 PM
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That's because they're feminists, not egalitarians.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:12 PM
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And now the paradox, men don't know how to be friends or make friends with other men. This must be a new thing primarily affecting the newest generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 10:51 PM
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