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1	CMV: Men going Dutch via alternating is better than going Dutch via people paying 50% or for themselves, because it usually has plausible deniability that it's just trad if it's cut off at the first date From a pragmatic dating point of view, if your end goal is to pay only a share of the cost, then you should start on the first date. Otherwise you will attract women who want their man to pay everything, and might scare the ones away who prefer to split the cost in some way, and also for all of the first dates that don't have a second date you would be ending up paying. In my experience, many people have first dates without second dates, so if your strategy is to pay on the first date, you will …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 09:08 PM
1	Many women say that if a woman rejects a man, he should accept it and move on, never trying again. Absolutely, he should get the message and leave her alone. I was referring to a situation where years have passed since that no, the situation has changed completely, they are different people etc. not to a situation where he never accepted the "no". Would you say if a guy asks out a girl in high school, got rejected, left her alone, and then they met again at a bar when they are 30 and really hit it off, it would be him "not getting the message" if he asked or her phone number? Should he really…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 08:46 PM
1	Verifying and boosting your dating profile would actually help. And if those women complained that they are not getting enough matches, I would give them the same advice, rather than that they should pay for premium features.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 08:21 PM
1	Verifying and boosting your dating profile would actually help. Verifying and boosting can only work if the profile is be actually interesting enough that it stands out from the many other male profiles a woman gets to see. I have been on dating apps as a woman, and so many guys have profiles where it looks like they generated them in 5 minutes while sitting on a toilet. Basically a collection of 5 poorly-lit mirror selfies, only a fraction of the bio filled, no interesting information or potential conversation starters in the profile text. I think guys actu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 10:13 PM
1	Many women say that if a woman rejects a man, he should accept it and move on, never trying again. My ideological answer is that a no is always a no, and men should treat it as such. Now, I understand some women like to play stupid games and say no when they don't mean it, or maybe they change their mind frequently. Both of these are massive red flags to me, and so I would recommend to any man who I care about that he should stay away from such women. I also think such women should see their fake no's be taken seriously more often, so that they'd stop doing this and stop encouraging men to ke…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 02:19 PM
–	Do most women take the marriage and kids revelation as positive or negative realistically? I don't think most women suddenly realize at 30 that they want a husband and kids. I think most women who want that at 30 already knew at 20 that they wanted it eventually, but it was not very high on the priority list, for example because there was still a lot of time, they were anyway not financially ready yet, they were still in uni etc. I get the desire for stability, and I think it can also stem from being tired of not having stability, so not necessarily a positive. There is a trade-off be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 11:24 AM
1	Would you date someone you met in person who didn’t match with you on a dating app? Sure. It can happen that one of us never saw the other's profile like in your case, but also people look differently and present themselves differently online than in person. I often struggled to recognize men on the first date just from pictures in an app, a similar thing happened the other way around as well, so I wouldn't interpret a lack of attraction to a photo as an indicator for a lack of attraction in reality. The only situation where I could imagine this being a problem would be if he h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 12:00 AM
8	Why do women on this sub seem to consider pregnancy to never be worth it. For me, personally, it is not "worth it" as I do not want kids. I have zero interest in them, raising them does not appear to be something I would enjoy doing. I don't feel a need to have a biological "legacy", and I do not feel a biological drive to have kids. To me, it is not some either-or decision where the negatives of a pregnancy are weighed against the positives of having a child. Rather, it is the negatives of having a child I do not want, plus the negatives of pregnancy and childbirth. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 10:11 PM
4	Why doesn't accurate information bring women more comfort Well, the 1/3 statistic is not comforting. I found different numbers (but all around this order of magnitude) depending on if you say globally or a specific country or if you focus on domestic violence or sexual violence. So, in the end, it is simply not a comforting statistic, and I don't really see why it would matter what the statistics for men are in the context of why women don't find the statistics comforting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/26 12:28 AM
4	Why doesn't accurate information bring women more comfort So is your argument "other people have it worse" and that is supposed to be comforting somehow?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/26 09:31 PM
4	Why doesn't accurate information bring women more comfort You are looking at the wrong statistic. If you are thinking about male violence, you should not be looking at the percentage of men who are violent, but at the percentage of women who will experience that violence. I find that number to be entirely not comforting at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/26 08:32 PM
1	The "she did it with her ex but won't with me" situation is typically valid for a man to be concerned about. I don't think scenario 2 where she is super enthusiastically into it with one guy and then doesn't like it with another is that common - the explanations you give towards the end of you post are much more realistic, such as that she tried it and didn't like it all that much or she associates it with a toxic relationship. It could also be that she liked it for a while, but then had one particularly bad experience that made her never want to do it again. But there could also be tons of other reaso…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/26 06:05 PM
1	CMV: "meeting women IRL" doesn’t magically bypass women’s standards in 2026 and people should stop acting like it does The point of meeting someone IRL instead of on an app is not to outperform all her hypothetical matches from the app, it is to outperform yourself on the app. If you are not getting matches because whatever qualities you have do not really come across on a profile, then you will have better chances IRL. It doesn't magically erase standards, but most women don't have impossible standards in real life. Most women (like people in general) have preferences, and it is much easier to enforce those…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/26 11:33 PM
1	Are social skills learnable like all other skills? I am currently an adult learning a language, and while ordering at a restaurant or talking to a shop clerk are situations where I can practice very basic A1/A2 skills, it is very difficult to find situations where I can practice at the intermediate B-level. Most native speakers here also speak English very well, so if they see me struggling even the slightest, they switch immediately to English. Holding a proper conversation in the language I am learning is difficult, because I respond slower th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/26 12:03 PM
1	Q4W: Where Should A Man Actually Go To Meet You? I have met my partners at hobbies, through friends, and at social events that were not dating-specific. I have tried the apps before and have found that it wasn't really for me, and I don't think I would go to a dating event, because I expect that I would dislike it for similar reasons as why I dislike the apps. For people I met in real-life, I usually did not go out specifically with the intention or expectation of finding a future romantic partner, but rather I was out doing my stuff and then …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/26 12:17 AM
2	Would you be fine with not getting the "full Girlfriend treatment"? If he meets all my expectations for how much effort, romance and gestures he should be making, then I don't care if he did some other stuff that I don't even want for some previous girlfriend. For example, I don't like jewellery or flowers, so it makes sense that my boyfriend would not get them for me, and it would not upset me if he had gotten them for a previous girlfriend who liked them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/26 11:56 PM
1	Is it common for you and your friends to suddenly lose interest in men? I usually do not ghost but rather say something like I don't think it's working. In most cases this is because the guy kept being pushy in some way or another. This can be that he kept pushing for physical contact when I had told him no, moved away his hand etc., or that he was pushy about dates or about texting (e.g. kept trying to plan dates exactly his way according to his schedule even when I told him this is very inconvenient for me, or kept texting way too frequently and accusing me of bei…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/26 12:56 AM
1	QFW: Do you care if the guy doesn’t dress or prepare all that well for a date, if he still picks you up and takes you there, pays for everything, and tries to treat you in a special way? I wouldn't mind as long as he is dressed appropriately for the activity, e.g. if we went somewhere with a dresscode I would expect him to stick to it, or if we did a date with a physical activity he'd bring/wear clothes appropriate for the activity. I'd also expect basic hygiene. I do not dress up myself for dates, I just wear normal day clothes which are usually jeans and a t-shirt or a sweater. I can relate to feeling a bit uneasy in a situation where the other party put a lot more effort into…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 12:04 AM
1	Women who use dating apps, genuine question - are you actually trying to filter for personality? Planned obsolescence doesn't really apply here. If relationships are the product in this analogy, Match Group doesn't make money off the product itself, it makes money off the service that delivers you the product. Well, kind of. On the one hand, Match Group owns several dating apps, so if you are unhappy with your experience on Tinder, you might choose to try OkCupid or Hinge next. Also, if your relationships from dating apps end up being short-lived, you end up coming back to the dating app, m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/26 11:01 PM
1	Women who use dating apps, genuine question - are you actually trying to filter for personality? Companies absolutely do make shitty products so that people will have to buy more of them. It's called planned obsolescence. It happens with phones, clothes, furniture ... The apps are likely using some kind of machine-learning-ish algorithm to optimize for some criterion they chose. They want to make money, and they make money when more people spend more time on their app, and when people buy premium features. So, their algorithms likely select for what makes people spend more time on the app, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/26 06:43 PM
3	Women who use dating apps, genuine question - are you actually trying to filter for personality? When I was on dating apps, I tried to select profiles based on what they had written in the text and the answers to questions that they had given (on okcupid). Most men's pictures were spectacularly bad anyway (to the point where I was not even sure the pictures are all of the same guy, or where I had to text the guy to ask what clothing he is wearing to find him on the first date), so when I swiped left based on the pictures it was usually not because the guy was not good-looking enough, but be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/26 03:37 PM
4	Going younger makes sense if you want to be a father I don't think most women want to be mothers at that age soon. At age 18 I also thought I would want to be a mother eventually, like maybe when I am 35 (women in my immediate family all became mothers in their 30s, so this seemed like the natural age). Turns out I actually do not want kids at all - a thing I realized when I dated an older guy who wanted marriage and kids rather soon. I felt like when I had kids, my life would be over and that is why people have them so late. If you are looking …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/26 12:15 PM
–	Which relationships have you preferred throughout your life: the men you developed feelings for via them being “popular”, or those who hanged out alone with you for sufficient time? All my relationships started with m hanging out with the guy a lot, and none of them started with my partner being "popular". I've never felt attracted enough to a guy based solely on an on-stage performance that I would have considered dating the guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/26 08:01 PM
1	Women do not understand deductive reasoning What I meant was that the problem is not with the deduction, it is with the premises. If your premises are flawed because the way you came up with them is affected by bias, your conclusion may be wrong (it may of course also still be true, as anything can be deduced from a false statement). While a lot of people do have problems with logic, my point is that the main criticism of red pill theories does not stem from lack of understanding of "logic" or "deductive reasoning", but rather from a disa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/26 08:48 PM
10	Women do not understand deductive reasoning The problem does not lie in the deductive reasoning itself, but rather in the premises. If one of your premises is false, then your deduction does not work any more. As your conclusion is false, at least one of your premises must be false. If you really want to do these observations, you have to be aware of biases. Probably a lot of the red pill theory can be explained through biases of its developers. For example, the 80/20-"rule" makes a lot more sense if you think about how most red pill men …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/26 12:17 AM
2	Are woman's lives nowadays more stressful than in the past or in some ways worse than in the past? My grandma was born in the 1920s. She worked on her parents' farm and also helped raise her (many) younger siblings when she was just a teenager. Her father wanted to take her out of school before the legal minimum age to leave school because he thought that girls did not need an education. She lived through a war, cleaned up the rubble with the other surviving women from her village, married my grandfather against her father's will, and was financially dependent on my grandfather. He died young…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/26 11:10 PM
10	Women, do you like how men walk on eggshells when talking to you? No, I want a man who does not feel like basic human decency is "walking on eggshells". I am not some princess who is offended by the occasional swearword, crude language, or a conversation about a NSFW topic. In my experience, when men complain about having to censor themselves around women, it is because the stuff that they censor is sexist, racist, homophobic etc. but they like to frame it as if what they were saying was merely slightly crude language and our delicate feminine ears cannot hand…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/26 06:41 PM
9	Those who do not believe delayed sex is a cause of concern, how would you respond to this scenario? I find it completely understandable to want to get to know each other better and I do not have a problem with non-monogamous relationships, so if this was where we are headed, I would not mind that they already have another partner who they are sleeping with. In a situation where monogamy/exclusivity will be expected once we are in a relationship, I would find it concerning, mostly because it sounds like they can't even handle a couple of weeks or months without having sex. I would wonder if the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/26 09:55 PM
3	Memorable Hit Ons One that was memorable was more so because of the reaction of my friend. I was walking on campus with a couple of male friends on a relatively quiet day when out of nowhere this guy approached me and without any context asked me if I wanted to go grab a coffee with him right now. I said no. Then he asked if I would grab a coffee with him later. I said no again. Then he asked me if I would give him my number so that we could set up a coffee date. I said no again and he left. I turned back to my f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/26 04:56 PM
1	How hard do you think it is actually is to become a ladies man? I think there is a big space between no girlfriend or date by the time you're in your late 20s and being a ladies man. I think being a ladies man who regularly and frequently has new dates and casual relationships/sex with many women requires that the guy is very outgoing and charming and also not too bad looking. I think the social component is what most men actually struggle with the most and I do think that overcoming shyness and introversion is hard. However, I think even if you are somewhat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/26 03:02 PM
1	Q4W: In light of recent trending "men don't approach women anymore" content - do you have a problem with men approaching you? Do you want to be approached? Or to be left alone? Why? I do not want to get approached more, especially not in settings that aren't inherently social - I would strongly advise against approaching me before I have had my coffee or when I am running errands. I might tolerate it at a social event or at a bar, but I also will not be upset if I go to a bar and no guy tries to hit on me. I think part of the discomfort is that at the beginning of such a conversation, I would not know whether he is going to be respectful and accept a no for an answer, so I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/26 01:20 AM
1	Do women really sleep with the “hot guys” first and marry the average ones later? You asked if women sleep with hot men and then marry men they aren't really attracted to later on. I think most women don't, and I know I don't. I've given you a bunch of possible explanations for why your male friends may feel like it is the case, even though it isn't. I'm starting to wonder why you even asked the question when you are not interested to hear an answer that disagrees with your point of view.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/26 11:32 PM
–	Women being interested in friends with benefits prevalent or no? The only time when I had a friend with benefits was when a friend showed sexual interest in me, and we had several conversations about what we are both looking for in this, what expectations are, what should not be expected etc. I was not looking for a relationship or even dating at the time and he was ok with that. We're still friends, haven't had any benefits in a while though. I think true friends with benefits are rare because there is a high risk of losing the friendship, either because one…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/26 12:10 AM
–	Do women really sleep with the “hot guys” first and marry the average ones later? Of course attraction is unevenly distributed, but that doesn't mean that it takes binary values over the entire population. Just because a guy is not conventionally attractive or not attractive to many women doesn't mean that the woman who ends up dating him is only in it for stability or money. She might be one of the few women who do genuinely desire him. Apart from red pill theories, there's other ways to explain that some guys only ever get offers for relationships. On the one hand, it could…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/26 11:18 PM
4	Do women really sleep with the “hot guys” first and marry the average ones later? I really do not identify with this TRP theory at all. My first relationships in my late teens until mid 20s (where according to TRP women sleep around and chase after hot guys) were long-term relationships that lasted several years with guys that I found attractive, but were probably considered fairly average looking. It was only after that that I even considered the option of having sex outside of a committed relationship, but even then it was more as a part of dating that maybe sex took place …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/26 05:11 PM
–	If you’ve friendzoned a guy, would you say you’re more attractive, less attractive, or about as attractive as the girl(s) he managed to attract? In the cases where I have stayed friends with a man after turning down sexual advances or a relationship, one later on had a girlfriend who was a much better match for him in terms of personality and lifestyle than I would have been. The other guy has "attracted" at least 3 other women since (in the span of a few months), 2 of which I have met and know that they are very pretty and from what he has told me are also a much better match for him in terms of personality and sexuality. I don't think …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 11:24 PM
2	"Men should listen to women" yeah and women have radically differentiating opinions Men should listen to the women that they are (interested in) dating for what those women want from the men they date. It's frustrating when you are incredibly clear about what you want to the man that you date and then he does something else because "all women like this" or even worse, "all my exes liked it". Listening to women in general means not just trying to extract some kind of concrete instructions to obey for dating success. It means learning about experiences that seem to be common for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 12:20 AM
2	Women, seriously. Why do you have such an aversion to taking responsibility and admitting fault? The "research study" link goes to a Brave search, not to the actual paper. Has anyone here found the actual journal article about the jail time? The article shown in the video (which I assume is the one you are also referring to) is nowhere to be found on the internet apart from in manosphere videos and social media posts. Even for paywalled articles it is usually possible to find at least the abstract and the paywall on the publisher's website, researchgate, google scholar etc., but also this j…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/26 12:20 AM
1	Have you or a female friend of you actually actively pursuit there (now) Partner? I had asked my friend for my first boyfriend's number (had met him at her bday party), then called him and asked him out. Also I initiated the first kiss. My second boyfriend was a friend, we were already quite cuddly with each other, and eventually I texted him and asked for a date. I initiated the first kiss. Another boyfriend I had was hanging out in a group setting with me and I showed interest by leaning against him, resting my head on his shoulder, taking his hand etc. This one actually to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 12:45 AM
4	Why do you think money dosent matter in Dating? I think money doesn't matter in dating the same way money doesn't buy happiness. If you have enough money to cover your everyday expenses and a little extra for savings and the occasional splurge, additional money doesn't make that much of a difference. If you are struggling to make ends meet, money makes you happier by removing financial problems and worries. Some men seem to think that dating is inherently expensive and requires taking a woman out to dinner and/or a movie, buying flowers or ot…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 11:35 PM
1	Project AVA Is A Sign That Things Are Getting Worse In Dating I do find this concerning, but not really for the same reasons as you. First of all, I don't think it is an indication of something being wrong with the dating world, but rather an indication that AI and specifically chatbots are a massive hype right now and while right now investors might still throw money at them, AI companies will need to find ways to make money off of their products eventually. I think these "AI assistant" and "relationship chatbots" products are an attempt at monetizing cha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 12:57 AM
3	Dressing for myself. Part of "dressing for myself" is not only to look pretty or sexy but also to be comfortable, and when it is warm outside or while working out, this includes that I would want to wear shorts and tanktops, so that I don't overheat, and when going swimming that I would wear a bikini. Personally I don't dress very revealing when it is cold outside, but I understand the desire to not want to look like a blob by just wearing loose-fitting long everything. It is maybe more of an emotional type of comfo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/26 06:01 PM
1	Why are women like this? If the post was downvoted heavily, then I assume that it was clear to many other users that this is for some reason not an acceptable thing to say/ask in this situation. Idk which sub it was, it could have been also something that was written in the rules of the sub or the flair of the post. But still, even if it was not communicated in big capital letters that advice was not welcome, asking about why someone is not physically attracted to someone else is not a very useful question to begin with…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/26 01:09 AM
1	Why are women like this? Without context of what her actual post was, I can only speculate, but it is possible that the post was being read as "I want emotional support or reassurance right now, not advice" in which case it would be that the responding users were completely in line with the intention of the post. Sometimes, some people want emotional support or even just to vent and this is an ok thing to want and then it is not helpful to give advice, especially if the advice is something as obvious as "if no one meets…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/26 03:16 PM
1	What are some hobbies that are an immediate turn-off for you and where do you draw the line between a hobby being acceptable or unattractive? Hunting, fishing and any other activity that involves killing animals - I am a vegetarian and these activities are incompatible with my values. Hobbies that deal with dead animals such as taxidermy or collecting bones just kind of give me the creeps so I would also not be a fan of that. Consumerism, e.g. going shopping or collecting things. I find it wasteful to buy new things when you have enough functional versions of the same thing at home and I just don't understand collecting stuff. Other t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/26 01:05 AM
2	Question for Blue Pill: If kindness is as important when it comes to attraction as the mainstream says, how do you explain all these horrible men having girlfriends? Of course there are women who are attracted to powerful, rich, and good-looking yet otherwise terrible men, but that doesn't make it bad advice to be kind for some random dude who just wants a girlfriend. IMO most mainstream advice is not only intended to be advice on the most efficient way to get a girlfriend or get someone into bed, but also takes into account what type of person you'd attract with your behaviour and how they feel about it, even if they are not attracted to you. If I advise a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/26 12:13 AM
1	Apparently women dislike it when their male friends reveal feelings for them IME most people do some preliminary flirting and one-on-one activities to test the waters before making a move, and this can also happen early on, e.g. if you meet someone interesting/attractive in a group setting you might suggest an unlabelled one-on-one meeting where you get to know each other a bit better and flirt to see if the other person is responsive. Maybe this is a cultural thing, but it has happened very rarely to me that I had a date with a person from real life that was very clearl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/26 08:28 PM
1	Why would an attractive pornstar, an attractive model or a beautiful and attractive woman have trouble to get dates and serious relationships? I believe there are multiple things at play here: On the one hand their line of work and fame might make some men reluctant to date them, either because they are uncomfortable with dating a woman who creates sexually suggestive or explicit content for work, or because they don't want to date someone with some level of fame. Long/unusual hours, travel etc. also might make it harder to date, but I don't think it makes it impossible. However, these women might try not to make their dates or relatio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 08:46 PM
10	Men are infinitely more forgiving towards women flaws yet women keep pretending men and women are on an even field with dating. Autistic Traits: Studies show that women on the spectrum mask (=hide their autistic traits) more than men on the spectrum, not less. See for example https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10060524/ For the other things, where are you getting your data from? And have you considered there may be other dimensions to this that you're ignoring? For example, in most households women still do the lion's share of the housework and childcare even if both partners work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 10:14 PM
1	Texting a girl: Keep it short and simple or she will run! I think unless they're already dating quite seriously, guy 1's response is way over the top. Also, he doesn't even take 2 seconds to ask her what's wrong or give her time to explain but rather just jumps to the conclusion that the only thing she could possibly be insecure about is either her appearance or the stability of the relationship to this dude. From someone who loves her so much and wants to build a life with her I would expect that he'd care more. Guy 2 on the other hand also doesn't re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 11:03 PM
1	Women of PPD. Do you encourage your male friends to shoot their shot with women/ approach? Why or why not? When a male friend has told me he is interested in someone but doesn't know what to do, I have made suggestions along the lines of asking her out for coffee/drinks/whatever (with concrete examples of something they could write or say). Why do I do this? Because I think whoever is interested should make the first move and because the friend was asking for advice. I've also given similar advice to female friends or acted in this way myself when I was interested in a guy i knew. I wouldn't push my …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/24 10:14 PM
2	"I don't want to do these things with you" and insecurity Could you point me to a) a source of the claim that it is "very normal" for women to do this? b) where I said that I'd condone this type of behaviour if it came from a woman? Obviously it is wrong regardless of the gender of the people involved. I even used they/them pronouns because it would bother me if it came from anyone. The reason why it is wrong is that the current partner did nothing so far to break the kind of baseline level of trust that you'd have at a beginning of the relationshi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/24 09:22 PM
77	"I don't want to do these things with you" and insecurity I don't think it necessarily means they don't value me or the current relationship as much as the past one. It can just be that they tried the thing a couple of times and found it wasn't something they enjoy doing, or maybe it is something that worked well with a previous partner but doesn't work well with me, for example in the case of sexual stuff it could be that different physiques permit different activities. If it was something really super important to me, then it wouldn't matter whether …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/24 08:58 PM