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I think for me, this idea that men as a group are just sitting around oppressing women is probably the worst of it. Its insidious too. Men are inherently untrustworthy in this model, inherently destructive, inherently worthy of punishment without any crimes needing to be committed, to be male is to be born wrong. I cannot fathom this opinion being held by actual people, but I know it is, and I know that the way many laws are written, society certainly acts like they believe it as well. Its almos…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 05:54 AM
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I can only imagine how tiring it must be to keep their heart beating at a steady rhythm.
/r/MensRights09/04/13 02:52 PM
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Yes, bringing up she's a woman has a deep contextual meaning. There are deep seated insecurities in our culture about what being a successful woman is really about. Pointing out her femininity brings those to light, that's exactly what I meant when I said, "bringing up she's a woman." Without the context of our culture and what being a woman "means" the statement is silly at face value. EDIT: Its kind of depressing when you realize how ridiculously insecure our society is about basic biology.
/r/MensRights08/04/13 03:26 AM
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Back! I agree that being reduced to only your looks is not good. Two points. One the comment from Obama was made only because she was a woman, he would have not made mention of physical attractiveness in a speech about a man. Two the comment from Obama was only inappropriate because she was a woman. If he had made the same comment about a man, no one would have cared at all. I will argue that the reason the comment is inappropriate is because it accomplishes bringing out the fact that she is a w…
/r/MensRights08/04/13 12:38 AM
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Fair point. I have more to say in response but don't have the time right this second. EDIT: I haven't forgotten!
/r/MensRights06/04/13 03:37 PM
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Trophies for all! You are now all equally meaningless!
/r/MensRights05/04/13 11:41 PM
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I would agree. I would also say, Modern Feminism is the response of women who were duped with the notion that work equates to status. Now they've realized that they are treated just like men, worthless cogs in a machine.
/r/MensRights05/04/13 11:06 PM
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Are you asking at what point do we say that certain life choices preclude you from doing certain types of activity?
/r/MensRights05/04/13 08:31 PM
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It seems like, somewhere along the line sexism got translated from "I am being told what I can and cannot do because I am a woman." to "You brought up the fact that I am a woman." I'm not really sure why that happened.
/r/MensRights05/04/13 08:07 PM
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Its a complicated subject, and his points have a huge amount of merit in the case of transgender women who transition later in life. For women who transition during puberty, its a much different story since they largely develop like a female would.
/r/MensRights05/04/13 08:00 PM
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I believe its largely that individualist feminism has lost its voice compared to collectivist feminism. Collectivists see women as a group rather than a set of individuals, so what what any woman does is reflection on all women. While individualist feminists just want to be able to do what they like without being told that their gender precludes them from it. That's how I see it at least.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 03:06 PM
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I doubt all those janitors had aspirations to be janitors either. No one should be shamed for finding work, even if it isn't a cherished field of work.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 02:59 PM
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Its interesting to note, that feminists who decry slut shaming, also shame prostitutes and porn workers as being "exploited." Telling a woman who has freely chosen to work a profession that she is being "exploited" is just slut shaming. You are telling her she's only allowed to have sex for specific reasons, and advertise sex for specific reasons, that is the definition of slut shaming.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 02:56 PM
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That's why I downvoted it.
/r/MensRights02/04/13 07:51 PM
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How about, just a simple poster with some of the nastiest feminist quotes you can find, place them around. Maybe with a snarky slogan like, "Feminism is progress." Followed up by some "Penis = rape" quote. I mean, we don't even have to disagree with them, we just have to advertise just how broken and disgusting their world view is.
/r/MensRights02/04/13 02:59 PM
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That's pretty much exactly what i meant.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 07:42 PM
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There is a sordid history of the gay rights movement co-opting the trans rights movement, I'm actually kind of surprised how many trans people so easily accept the same co-opting nonsense that feminism provides.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 01:15 PM
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Just take solace in the fact that if you had been emotionally abusive and she used that trick on you to speed away and never talk to you again, everyone would be cheering her on for her bravery. You did nothing wrong, she betrayed your trust in the worst possible way and you simply did what you needed to do to preserve yourself. I wouldn't call it brave, but its understandable.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 03:56 AM
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No one likes management, if you want to be management be prepared for no one to like you too. I'm not sure why this is so mysterious.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 04:34 PM
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The confirmation is everywhere, but no one talks about it. I know a lot of really successful women in IT but no one wants to hoist them as pinnacles of feminism, because when it comes right down to it, they just aren't pretty enough to put on a magazine cover and many of them don't agree with the party line.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 04:32 PM
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In many ways, today's feminism is the sounding board for the female population realizing that working hard isn't all its cracked up to be.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 04:29 PM
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It makes sense, feminism and popular atheism align on certain issues, namely being anti-religion for the most part. I'm an atheist, but I'm also a very slightly right leaning centrist, so even among the reddit atheist crowd I don't fit in very well.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 04:26 PM
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That's an interesting point and a perspective I actually hadn't considered. To rephrase what I think you said: The low number of women in IT is because the IT industry is filled with undesirables(according to society) therefore women don't want to be associated with it. EDIT: This would make sense, since one of the primary things women feel they need to attain is desirability.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 03:34 PM
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That was actually one of my points is that the women who are successful in IT are disregarded because of that kind of sexism you describe. So instead of celebrating them, they are looked down on, for not being woman enough. Its ridiculous, because she wasn't blonde, white, and pretty(or whatever) her accomplishments don't matter and her female strength isn't interesting because its not the kind we want to see. And then, the blame is placed squarely on the men in the industry, as if we had anythi…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 03:13 PM
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This might have something to do with the fact that the people saying we need more women in IT are getting degrees in things that let you talk about needing more women in IT and not IT.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 01:36 PM
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The battle cry of IT could be, "Leave us alone we just want to work!"
/r/MensRights26/03/13 01:25 AM
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I do not, but I may in the future depending on if I think I can add value to the conversation.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 08:49 PM
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Those fuckin' perfloinks..... lazin' about demanding hammock entitlements.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 06:38 PM
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Just a link of something else I've said that show my agreement. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ayrv4/my_bad_sex_wasnt_rape_says_feminist_on_alternet/c925kvv
/r/MensRights25/03/13 06:37 PM
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I'm more laughing at the oedipus comment. Oedipus had no relationship with his mother, and didn't even know it was his mother when he "did the deed."
/r/MensRights25/03/13 05:47 PM
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I absolutely agree with you, it would be wonderful to have a discourse like this, but unfortunately all it would amount to is "Ah yes, we all agree we should treat people with respect and dignity." This will ultimately be the most common complaint we must fight when he head off against feminism, "Not all feminists are like that." While this is true, it needs to be brought up again and again, that while not all feminists are like that, the men's rights movement(myself included) is not judging fem…
/r/MensRights25/03/13 05:36 PM
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I don't disagree. I was just drawing some parallels.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 05:19 PM
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Create a word to identify a group of people by a special feature, it can now be used to insult them! This is true for pretty much even the most innocuous of words. If there is one thing true about the human race, we just love hating on people that are different than us.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:09 PM
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I don't think there was ever a time that feminism was "pure." Just like I don't think the MRM is "pure" (there are a lot of traditionalists running about that I just don't agree with, that doesn't mean they aren't MRM's but it does mean the movement has more than one head). Any social justice movement is going to have the hydra problem, even if you cut down a bad head, it just finds it way back a lot of times with more heads espousing subsets of the ideas that were bad. No social movement is goi…
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:02 PM
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Taking insults seriously on the internet is a good way to waste a lot of blood pressure.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 02:49 PM
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It will remain ignored unless we raise a stink about it. Male suicide has never been and will never be a concern for society by default, because men are disposable. I mean some societies through history even have institutionalized suicide in the case of "failed" men.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 02:40 PM
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Cis is a term used to identify people who are not transgender. Cisgender as opposed to transgender. Sometimes its used as a slur. I'm fairly certain its original intent was just a way for transgender's to effectively communicate since gender is kind of a wishy washy identifier in those circles.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 02:37 PM
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I don't think its that men don't seek help, I think its that people just don't care. I had some deep frustrations with my life that I expressed to my close loved ones, and I was more or less told to pack sand ("man up" bullshit, or my favorite "you'll grow out of it"). My sister on the other hand struggled with depression for years and everyone sucked her metaphorical dick about it the whole time(not that I'm mad at her, she needed help). Men aren't silent because they are too manly, men are "si…
/r/MensRights25/03/13 02:16 PM
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Unfortunately we must contend with the latter, while offending the former. Which is just so convenient for the radicals.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 12:58 PM
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Aside: Your notoriety probably encourages mindless downvotes. I had a rather gender politicing female at my work place about 2 or so years ago and it was literally a nightmare. When she was in the area, work ground to a halt because everyone was walking on eggshells. Eventually she was shuffled around the organization until she felt compelled to find another job. The whole time complaining that there was sexism, when really what it was is no one wanted to work with her, because she cried foul at…
/r/MensRights24/03/13 11:56 PM
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For the sake of fair and balanced will they follow up this article with, "How do I raise my daughter not to be a crazy bitch?" No? Oh that's sexist? Huh.....
/r/MensRights22/03/13 05:12 PM
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Not even average, 99%(+/- 5% or something) of boys don't grow up to be rapists.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 05:11 PM
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Jokes? Jokes in my subreddit? Upvotes for everyone!
/r/MensRights22/03/13 05:08 PM
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I needed help? I'm sorry I'm a working professional and I know all about context, I live and breathe it everyday and I spend the majority of my time filtering myself for the benefit of others around me. I'm a crass dude, and a huge asshole, I control myself for the sake of the job. Here is the problem though and why it bothers me. If those dudes had been females and they were joking about their vaginas, and someone posted a picture of them online, complaining about sexual harassment, who would b…
/r/MensRights22/03/13 01:11 PM
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And jokes about sex are not sexist. Nor are they threatening. Sex is hilarious, I mean... have you heard sex farts before? I mean really, the jokes write themselves. And penis's pretty much look hilarious. If you think jokes about sex are inherently demeaning to women.... You have some serious fucking issues!
/r/MensRights21/03/13 06:36 PM
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Good to know.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 03:32 PM
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Oh no, the actual degree requirements specify a "diversity" course. You must take either a minorities course or a gender studies course.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 03:26 PM
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I'm less demoralized by it than I am just flabbergasted at the hypocrisy. I place an extremely high personal and social value on intellectual integrity, so when a class that has minimal basis in fact and is largely designed as what amounts to a brain washing tool, "You must believe this about gender." I guess I just expect too much out of an institute dedicated to higher learning.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 03:20 PM
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Not the ones around here last I checked. I'm not attending right now what with Tuition assistance being gone for the moment.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 03:16 PM
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A lot of the colleges in the area I'm in require some sort of minority or gender studies for graduation. These classes are the opposite of friendly for the average male. I doubt that plays a huge factor but there is pretty frustrating about being required to take a class that is all about how bad of I person I am just for being born.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 01:16 PM
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Rape culture is really just short hand for human subjectivity. If a black guy rapes a white woman, I doubt there will be any conversation about rape culture, because we'll just convict the guy and forget about him, even if he's not guilty. What it comes down to is humans are really subjective and shallow when it comes to ascribing guilt. If you attack a successful person with accusations our subjectivity overrides our objective dislike of rape or really any crime. Objectively our culture hates r…
/r/MensRights20/03/13 06:43 PM
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The military already has lower standards for women, even women who do front line work. This is an implicit admission that the standards for women are "enough." If that's not true, than the military is in a world of shit for promoting a standard below the minimum for success. Though I agree with you, we should keep the standards at the true level of success for both genders.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 04:35 AM
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His comments are quite spot on and also conciliatory to early feminism which I think is very fair.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 08:23 PM
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Yes, that is what I was trying to say.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 02:40 AM
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If believe he was using it as, men as a gender earn more than women as a gender (which is true, because more men work etc.) rather than individual men earn more than comparable individual women, which is not true.
/r/MensRights15/03/13 05:04 PM
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No one, and that's the magic trick.
/r/MensRights15/03/13 05:02 PM
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That may be the case, but she has supported other women doing the same thing and anecdotally they seem to have similar experiences. Not identical, but similar. Women aren't vases, a little bit of pain doesn't turn them into weeping inept banshees, some women choose to be that way, but I don't believe its their natural state.
/r/MensRights15/03/13 12:23 PM
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I don't blame feminism for the problems that men face. I don't make the mistake that feminism does and blame some global conspiracy to harm 50% of the population, I just say there are clearly discrepancies between male and female treatment and there are a mixture of biological, cultural and environmental reasons for that. We should do our best to treat everyone as fairly and equitably as possible and not try and play the blame game. Blaming someone or something doesn't solve anything, being hone…
/r/MensRights14/03/13 10:59 PM
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The whole issue is stupid to begin with. Policing sexuality is dumb. If women want to wear yoga pants, okay. If men want to ogle someone who is wearing revealing clothing, I'm not really certain why anyone cares. There is nothing negative about sex and there are not any victims in the scenario of woman wears yoga pants, man stares at her ass. Except for maybe the man's grades and at that point, its pretty much his problem.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 08:33 PM
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It all comes down to society perceiving male sexuality as negative. If a man puts sexual attention on a woman, its negative attention. If a man talks about what he likes in women, its an attack against women who aren't like what he likes. As usual its just a case of us protecting the poor women's feelings, I mean if a woman feels inferior it can't be her simply being unreasonable can it? Someone must have MADE her feel bad. /s
/r/MensRights14/03/13 03:27 PM
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I caught my child during birth, and really only had a registered midwife in the room with me. We left the doctors out of it for the most part(read: what we were legally obligated to do). My wife was super relaxed there was no one in her face asking if she wanted an epi or more fluids, or drawing blood, she could just tell me what she needed and I would take care of it. And it was no big deal. My wife was ultra relaxed, pushed that kid out and we went the fuck home after we had some delicious chi…
/r/MensRights14/03/13 03:22 PM
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That's not really a counterargument. If it wasn't a boy's penis and was instead his right index finger, this wouldn't even be a conversation. Regardless of the scale, it remains mutilation and no one should have it forced on them.
/r/MensRights11/03/13 12:39 AM
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And yet we don't allow Muslims or Mormons the ability to marry more than one woman, and that's consensual. Cutting on an infant child on the other hand is not consensual.
/r/MensRights11/03/13 12:31 AM
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One of the underlying themes of Old Man's War is that might makes right for good or ill.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 10:25 PM
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Considering that for a lot of men how attractive their partner is, is one of their biggest concerns and that "bros" disappearing off the face of the planet when they get a girlfriend is such a common occurrence I agree.
/r/MensRights12/02/13 04:40 PM
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I'm not black, but the black friends I have are pretty mixed about the whole thing. Some of them were able to use affirmative action to get a leg up on life and get ahead of the curve so to speak. So I can't begrudge the program too much, at the same time some of them hold the opinion (2 out of the 5 I know personally) that it does more harm than good. Take that for what you will since its entirely anecdotal. I know a lot of guys that used the military as a way to get out of the ghetto, one of m…
/r/MensRights11/02/13 04:24 PM
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Most certainly, which is why I can say that Mrs. Clinton's comment was more than just a little offensive, especially as someone who is in the military.
/r/MensRights11/02/13 03:46 PM
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It's hard, I sympathize with the plight of war widowed women, but it certainly cost that man a hell of a lot more than the woman to get her to be a widow in the first place.
/r/MensRights11/02/13 03:36 PM
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I was very clear with my wife when we first started "dating" about what I wanted in a relationship and things I wouldn't accept. That frankness and commitment to those things has been a kind of bedrock for the whole rest of the relationship. And here is the deal, if she wasn't willing to agree to my bare minimum ground rules for discourse and certain things I would not give up then I didn't see the relationship going anywhere. We have two kids now, I love my wife a lot, and I bend over backwards…
/r/MensRights11/02/13 03:01 PM
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To be pedantic(apologies), but Neanderthal is not a common ancestor of humanity, that majority of the human race has no neanderthal dna. I know you meant "cave man" but Neanderthal is not a synonym for that.
/r/MensRights11/02/13 01:58 PM
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