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I like this idea, except rather than broke, act frugal. Sure you can filter out the manipulative women by pretending to be broke, but the good women with their shit together don’t like broke guys either. Act budget-conscious. If a guy I was getting to know said he prefers to save money cooking at home rather than eating out, I’d be head over heels.
/r/MensRights24/02/22 06:20 AM
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Interesting that the smallest disparity (most equality) is with Asians. Just makes you wonder what culturally they're doing differently.
/r/MensRights02/10/19 07:13 PM
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Thanks, I was surprised at the hate I got in response to this. He's appealing the decision and I'm very curious what will happen to him then.
/r/MensRights08/02/18 05:08 AM
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Regardless of whether she consented prior to falling unconscious, being unconscious voids all consent. So if you fall asleep after sex, your consent is voided? The victim and Turner weren't a couple with the trust level and relationship that consent for such acts requires Who are you to judge their sexual choices? They chose to have casual sex (before leaving the party) and your disapproval of their relationship is irrelevant. Your bedroom is not the same as the dirty ground next to the garbage …
/r/MensRights02/01/18 03:27 AM
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Alright tough guy, I hope you feel good about yourself calling people names on the internet. The fact is you, me, the prosecutor, the judge, and the jury all have no way of knowing if 1) she consented before falling asleep and an innocent young man is being wrongly accused of a horrific crime, or 2) the guy is a piece of shit who tried to finger an unconscious girl and is being rightly vilified. So given these are the only two possible scenarios, I hope neither my daughter nor son are 1) ever wr…
/r/MensRights02/01/18 02:28 AM
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Your breaking down the GCS is completely irrelevant, in fact for the appeal they hired an alcoholism expert to testify that she was likely in a state of mind to consent, based on her BAC, and that at that level is very possible her behavior did not indicate being too drunk to consent. The expert witness also clarifies the difference between "asleep" and "passing out", so yes there is a difference, and she was most likely asleep.
/r/MensRights07/12/17 02:04 PM
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I think you might be missing something.. I'm definitely not making up facts. Honestly I'm shocked at the negativity this post is receiving. I posted it for one reason: hoping more people would read the actual case documents and form their own opinions based on the facts, rather than what they've heard from the media. If you read it, and your opinion differs from mine, I respect that. And if you have no interest in reading it, that's fine too, just don't criticize me for wanting to share that the…
/r/MensRights07/12/17 01:56 PM
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Of course it's not foreplay if a person is unconscious, no one is debating that. He is claiming she was conscious at the time. The two people who "caught" him saw her lying still with him on top of her, in the dark, and from several feet away. They testified it looked like she was not moving. It's not unusual for a person having consensual sex to not be moving, especially the person on the bottom. He claims he ran because they assaulted him, which they admit to. She didn't have wounds from "bein…
/r/MensRights07/12/17 12:37 AM
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My point is drunk people should be held accountable for their actions. Why hold him accountable but not her? And if he had shoved his dick in her mouth, would she be guilty of sexual assault because then she would have been touching his genitals?
/r/MensRights06/12/17 11:56 PM
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You're suggesting that because he didn't pleasure her to her satisfaction he should be charged with sexual assault? I've had some awful (consensual) sexual experiences, one of which included getting sand all up in my parts because we did stuff on the beach. She had pine needles and dirt on (not in) her vagina because they were rolling on the grass under some trees. He had pine needles all over his back and hair too. Yes, some people are perverts and it's definitely possible he was getting off sh…
/r/MensRights06/12/17 11:51 PM
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Then Turner couldn't consent either so she assaulted him too. Should she be charged as well? Or do you not believe in equality? By the way, I was hit by a drunk driver in October, but since he couldn't consent to driving his car, was he kidnapped by his car?
/r/MensRights06/12/17 11:39 PM
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Not in California She was asleep when the police and paramedics arrived on scene. That is the only point witnesses testified that she was asleep. The crux of the case depends on when she fell asleep, and only Turner and possibly Emily Doe know. I read plenty of articles on this case, which is why I was initially disgusted by Turner and Judge Persky's treatment of the case. The point of my post was because after reading the primary source I was shocked at how deceiving all the secondary sources f…
/r/MensRights06/12/17 11:37 PM
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That was the determining factor in acquitting the guy that shot Kate Steinle though wasn't it?
/r/MensRights06/12/17 11:27 PM
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He was found guilty of sexual assault, not rape.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 11:45 PM
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Actually intent is an important factor in determining if it was a crime.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 11:45 PM
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And that's where innocent until proven guilty comes in, or at least is supposed to.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 09:50 PM
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The point of my post is that public opinion influenced how he was convicted, which is why he is now appealing. So yes, the way the details were publicised is absolutely relevant.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 09:49 PM
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Right, that's the question. Did she fall asleep before she fingered him? Then he is obviously a disgusting person and a criminal. He says she was alert and consenting up until the swedes started assaulting him.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 05:08 PM
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Your comment is 100% correct. I watched Fiamengo's video on it and it seems so simple that casual sex between two drunk people is not rape. Also, why would he be giving her foreplay if he was trying to rape her? The intent is quite apparent that he was waiting for her to consent to sex before taking his dick out. Also I'm amazed how downvoted your comment is. My post had like 30 upvotes yesterday and now it's down to 0, and all my comments and responses to people are downvoted into the negatives…
/r/MensRights05/12/17 05:03 PM
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I don't understand what your point is by breaking down the GCS. The only thing I am pointing out by saying she was not "unconscious" is that the term "unconscious" when associated with drinking colloquially implies 1) not responding to stimuli and 2) not being capable of waking up to vomit, risking drowning. When you drink a few glasses of wine late at night and fall asleep, neither of these factors exist. Therefore, I am differentiating falling asleep from "falling unconscious".
/r/MensRights05/12/17 04:25 PM
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And somehow everyone has no problem calling him a rapist, including that professor that used his mugshot for the definition of rape. I think he should also sue for defamation and libel.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 04:05 PM
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I am not arguing the literal definition of the word unconscious. I'm saying that the prosecutor and media has painted a picture of a completely incapacitated woman, what people would describe as "passed out", where in fact she was closer to what the average person would call "asleep". I'm trying to differentiate between being drunk and tired and falling asleep mid-foreplay, and being so dangerously inebriated that one loses consciousness and needs medical intervention to avoid drowning on vomit.…
/r/MensRights05/12/17 04:01 PM
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No I'm saying it may not have been (I'm not saying it wasn't, I'm saying there is no evidence) assault because she was awake and alert when she left the party making out with him, and at some point he started touching her genitals, and we don't know if she fell asleep before he touched her or any point after, in fact she may have fallen asleep when he got off her and tried to chase the swedes away.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 02:59 PM
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Yes! The "behind the dumpster" bit is exactly why he's appealing. The prosecution/ media used the emotion associated with dumpsters, being treated like trash, thrown away, valueless, etc to appeal to people's emotion. We envision a dirty dumpster enclosure. In reality, they were not "behind a dumpster", but on a slope on the park-like campus of Stanford. The description "behind the dumpster" describes their position in relation to the frat party, so basically they left the party, passed the dump…
/r/MensRights05/12/17 05:50 AM
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I would agree. That's where I do believe that what he did was wrong, a naive mistake, rather than a criminal act.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 03:43 AM
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I guess I didn't know that. I was recently hit by a drunk driver and the police report indicated that his blood was drawn about 3 hours after the accident. I was curious how inebriated he would've been during the accident but I assumed it's irrelevant. How could you possibly be less inebriated at the time of an accident if they arrest you and draw your blood after a few hours?
/r/MensRights05/12/17 02:12 AM
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I don't think it's ok to finger unconscious people. I wouldn't want anyone to do anything to me if I passed out. He says she was awake and alert and into it, and I think that is believable. To be fair, I've drank with my partner lots of times and enthusiastically consented to sex when we were both drunk. I get up for work at 6 normally, and my body automatically wakes me up at that time on weekends, so at 3am after ubering home from a club or bar, I'm usually VERY tired, and I've faded in and ou…
/r/MensRights05/12/17 02:04 AM
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Interesting find! It's interesting what prosecutors will squeeze in to get a win.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 09:37 PM
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Fair enough. I clarified it in my post.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 07:21 PM
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If it was relevant, it would be routine to estimate BAC after DUI's and other crimes relating to inebriation, which it is not. The prosecutor getting estimates of BAC is indicative of the prosecutor pushing an agenda. I don't personally have an agenda. I just think that he was judged harshly and the public's opinion is shaped by misinformation, and I think more people should read the actual documents before forming opinions, which you did and I respect.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 07:02 PM
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Merriam-Webster definition of unconscious: 1 a : having lost consciousness b (1) : not marked by conscious thought, sensation, or feeling unconscious motivation (2) : of or relating to the unconscious c : not possessing mind or consciousness unconscious matter 2 a : not knowing or perceiving : not aware b : free from self-awareness 3 : not consciously held or deliberately planned or carried out In our language and culture, "unconscious", carries a certain connotation. I would not describe my kid…
/r/MensRights04/12/17 06:54 PM
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I'm not assessing her state of consciousness, and I am not disagreeing with his statement in any way. I'm pointing out that she was conscious enough to respond to a finger-pinch and also vomited and cleared her airways without assistance.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 06:01 PM
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Or do you not think that bit of context is relevant to the comparison you were making? No I do not think that is relevant.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 05:56 PM
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So you don't think women can technically rape men in the vast majority of the country. That's real nice.. My opinion about rape is not relevant to Brock Turner's case. But since you want my opinions: Yes I think women can rape men, and I think that is terrible and a violation of their bodily autonomy. I don't think two drunk people having sex are both raping each other, nor do I think one is raping the other. I also don't think touching someone's genitals is rape. I believe touching someone's ge…
/r/MensRights04/12/17 05:42 PM
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I didn't say they were tested at the same time. I said that at the time of testing his was higher than hers. Page 5: Her blood was drawn at 7:15 am. and at that time, her blood alcohol concentration 0.12%. Page 6: Deputy Adams transported the Defendant to the police station where his blood was drawn by a phlehotornist at approximately 3:15 am. His blood alcohol content was 0.16% BAC. And yes I actually read them, and the point of my post was to encourage others to do the same. I'm glad you read …
/r/MensRights04/12/17 05:33 PM
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https://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2016/03/17/trial-begins-in-stanford-sex-assault-case Deputy Jeff Taylor described her as snoring. Many states do not classify forced penetration as rape. Would you also consider it to be unfair to say a woman who forced a man to penetrate her isn't technically a rapist in those states? I think a person is technically a rapist if he/she meets the state's technical definition of rape. I don't think my opinion about rape, nor anyone else's is relevant.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 05:03 PM
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What flaws do you find in his story? Serious question. You are obviously with the judge, jurors and the majority of the public on this, and since there was literally no other story to go off, the judge also had to find that his story was so unbelievable to throw out the only eyewitness account and rule with a prosecutor who was not present.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 04:34 PM
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Right, to claim "he should have known" is to hold him to a higher standard than her. My partner and I have had sex lots of times after both drinking together. Should we have been charged each time? And I've also been so tired (especially after a couple glasses of wine) I've fallen asleep mid sex.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 04:29 PM
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Court documents: http://documents.latimes.com/people-v-brock-allen-turner-59/
/r/MensRights04/12/17 04:26 PM
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Here you are :) http://documents.latimes.com/people-v-brock-allen-turner-59/
/r/MensRights04/12/17 04:22 PM
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Exactly. This is all about the prosecutor. Emily Doe did not deny she consented. All we have is his narrative, which is believable, and a prosecutor who was not there who attempted to create a story on Emily Doe's behalf. I really hope he wins on appeal.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 04:20 PM
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The paramedics stated she was snoring. I don't feel like looking through the 49 page document again, especially since I'm supposed to be working right now. No one said she pretended to be asleep. I'm saying it's a possibility. What he was convicted of in the state of California was not rape. Sure, this may be a technicality, but his crime he was charged with was touching her genitals. It is unfair to call him a rapist if he was not convicted of rape.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 04:18 PM
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Didn't seem very believable. Yeah yeah, proof beyond a reasonable doubt and all. But it didn't seem very believable, to me at least. I think it's believable. You ever been so drunk you just feel like laying down because everything's spinning? You might still be horny and can still respond verbally, even clearly. She probably was totally into it at first, then slowly became more and more motionless. By the time the swedes came around she was a) either fully asleep, or b) too embarrassed to respon…
/r/MensRights04/12/17 04:11 PM
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At the time of testing, his was higher. It is only estimated that hers was higher at the time of the incident, and different professionals provided different estimates.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 03:31 PM
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Even natural sleep would be considered a form of unconsciousness for the purposes of what happened here. If you initiate sexual activity with a sleeping (unconscious) person, that would legally be considered a form of sexual assault. So yes, she was unconscious. THIS is the point. There is no evidence she was unconscious at the time he initiated sexual activity. He states she was conscious, and the evidence that supports this is that 1) her sister thought she was fine, in fact sober enough to ca…
/r/MensRights04/12/17 03:30 PM
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I didn't disagree with anything you've quoted. I'll just point out that My 12 year old son doesn't respond to a "shake and shout" on school mornings. He is neither drunk nor does he need medical help. The GCS is not really up for anyone's interpretation or debate. She was rated by paramedics, not me, an 11. The BAC levels you listed were estimates. At the time of testing he was drunker than she was.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 03:26 PM
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"Unconsciousness" is measured using the Glasgow Coma Scale. The first responders gave her an 11 on the GCS. A score of 15 is fully awake. She was asleep while able to respond to stimuli. Your comment is exactly my problem with this story and why I feel bad for this guy. The fact that "many would disagree" with science and facts is completely irrelevant. Yet public opinion is what caused him to be charged as harshly as he was.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 06:46 AM
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I understand the literal definition of the word "unconscious". I am pointing out that I think the public's perception of the way "unconscious" is being used in this case is not consistent with reality. Unconscious implies not knowing what is happening, not being able to say anything or do anything. Based on the paramedic's finger-pinch test and the fact that she was able to wake up to safely vomit, I think a more appropriate term would be "asleep". At some point they started touching each other …
/r/MensRights04/12/17 06:36 AM
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I forget where I saw that but I removed it.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 06:13 AM
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Exactly. He could have said she coerced him into touching her genitals. He was drunk and underage and she took advantage. They were both drunk, why did he assault her but she didn't assault him?
/r/MensRights04/12/17 06:13 AM
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Oops the numbers are wrong. I'll fix those. I can close my eyes and snore and be fully conscious. An unconscious person will not react to being pinched under the nail bed, and an unconscious person who vomits will not roll over to vomit then clear their air ways. Yes she was extremely drunk. She likely fell asleep at some point. But she was never unconscious.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 06:06 AM
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The difference is that I'm not high risk for dying from the flu because I'm not elderly, immuno compromised, or an infant. The majority of maternal deaths in the US are preventable medical errors, so it can happen to anyone, regardless of how healthy. Anyway, it's kind of deviating from the point, but it's something I've been reading a lot about lately and find extremely disturbing.
/r/MensRights10/10/17 10:15 PM
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I'll add to what u/heyo_niko is saying, that there is an immediate risk of death women risk when getting pregnant that men don't face. Yes there are a lot of risks later on down the road, I agree, and I agree with you it is sexist that women currently get more birth control coverage than men. But when I peed on that stick and saw 2 lines last month, one of the first thoughts to cross my mind was that we have the highest maternal death rate in the developed world (18.5 deaths per 100,000), and ch…
/r/MensRights10/10/17 04:47 PM
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Dude this isn't true at all. If you look at all the "college rape" cases of false accusations, they're all good looking, wealthy, athletic, successful kids. Girls accuse them of rape when they break up with them. Look up the mattress girl case for example.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 08:30 PM
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That's my worst nightmare. You read about these cases where people have no problem ruining boys lives. Remember the "mattress girl" story? She spent two years (or 4?) absolutely destroying this innocent kid's college years, all because he didn't want to date her. I'm terrified of this happening to my son. He's good looking and athletic and girls like him. What a strange coincidence that the false rape accusations are always against the athletes and successful young men, not the fat creeps barely…
/r/MensRights19/07/17 08:23 PM
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Oh my god, yeah I'm so glad I was there with him that day.
/r/MensRights19/07/17 08:15 PM
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I wanted to, but I didn't want to drag it out. I ended up quitting the team and moving him to a different team. They're much more professional on the new team, and better quality coaching overall, so he's happier now anyway and it's all behind us (with the lesson learned that girls WILL lie, so be careful).
/r/MensRights19/07/17 08:14 PM
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It's the authority figures. It was handled totally wrong. A 12 year old girl says something super fucking weird and wrong for her age, the parents should ask questions. Dig deeper. The team administrator should've told the mom to go to me, not drag my kid into something. It's the media blowing this rape bullshit out of perspective and the adults treating boys like shit to appear "on top of it".
/r/MensRights19/07/17 01:05 AM
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This reminds me of an NPR article I read recently about breastfeeding and how people in some countries have techniques that make it easier. One of the comments on the article was by a man who asked something along the lines of "As a man who knows nothing about breastfeeding, how difficult can it be? Don't you just stick the nipple in the baby's mouth?" And I thought, what a great question from a guy! Here's our chance as females to explain. But nope was I wrong! Hundreds of angry responses to hi…
/r/MensRights18/07/17 10:26 PM
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My son is 12 and we've already had this conversation. A few months ago we arrived to swim practice and the team administrator yelled at him to "get in the office immediately" in front of the other kids. I asked if everything was alright, and she very loudly announced "NO THINGS ARE NOT ALRIGHT!". I went into the office with him, where he was then questionned by the team admin, mother of a little girl, and coach for about 30 minutes demanding he "admit" what he said to the little girl last Thursd…
/r/MensRights18/07/17 08:14 PM
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I'm a manager in the healthcare industry. I have about 1400 employees in my region, all of whom have stem degrees. 70% are female, more than half my managers I supervise are female, the highest paid managers are female, and the female employees on average earn 10 cents more per hour than the males. Also, I'm female, with a statistics degree, and subscribe to /r/dataisbeautiful.
/r/MensRights26/01/16 06:13 PM
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I'm a woman who acknowledges that I may not know how little boys think, but I know my son and other boys need their fathers.
/r/MensRights23/11/15 05:32 PM
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Yeah, there's a story they're posting right now (that I can't wait to read the rest of!) about a woman and domestic violence and nobody is suggesting there is more to the story.
/r/MensRights11/11/15 11:55 PM
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Humans of new York (HONY) is not journalism. It's a photographer in NYC who takes photos of people and shares their story with the photo, and published a book of this. Many of the stories seem far fetched and possibly made up, but that's not the point. It's just a cool photo project. My point in sharing this was that HONY has become really popular with 15.9 million followers, so it's cool to see that something so mainstream and widely received is sharing an example of a men's rights issue, since…
/r/MensRights11/11/15 05:16 PM
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You're delusional if you really think you have total control over another individual's actions, and you happen to be a better parent than every parent of anyone who has ever found themself in an altercation. But best of luck!
/r/MensRights11/11/15 05:10 PM
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No, the punishment was 3 months in jail (appropriate) AND never getting custody of his daughter. Women do not lose the right to ever have custody of their children when they're charged with a minor altercation.
/r/MensRights11/11/15 05:06 PM
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If you think you raised your son so perfectly that he'll never make a mistake, you're in for a sad reality check.
/r/MensRights11/11/15 02:56 PM
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I think for the most part we're all in agreement that what he did was wrong. The issue here is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime and he was not afforded the same rights she was.
/r/MensRights11/11/15 02:51 PM
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I agree. I'm a mother too, of a son, and it makes me sad and worried that he's growing up in a society rigged against him in every way. I have some friends who are amazing single dads and their ex's are completely worthless.
/r/MensRights11/11/15 04:27 AM
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Way too often.
/r/MensRights11/11/15 04:24 AM
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Me too. I never felt strongly either way about feminism or gender issues until I had a son and started learning how our society is set up against him in almost every way.
/r/MensRights11/11/15 04:21 AM
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Yes! They are so thorough in their research, and the things he's covered have actually made an impact, like the segment he did on religious exemptions led to an IRS investigation, and the one he did on beauty pageants caused them to stop their false claims. He's on a roll with the justice system now.
/r/MensRights11/11/15 04:19 AM
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John Oliver did a really good segment on public defenders and how underfunded the system is that many have over 300 cases per year. So they have less than a day to work on each case, so people like this guy really aren't getting the representation guaranteed by the constitution.
/r/MensRights10/11/15 11:29 PM
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Yes, I've noticed that too. It's hard not to feel bitter about a lot of these posts though. But I think this sub has so much potential if we can all work together.
/r/MensRights10/11/15 09:43 PM
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Yeah but the reality is that as a man you will lose. And 3 months is better than 7 years.
/r/MensRights10/11/15 08:30 PM
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I would too. I feel like a lot the the time this subreddit has a lot of whining on it with minimal actual plans for action. I think we could really accomplish something if we worked together on here.
/r/MensRights10/11/15 08:05 PM
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I think you misunderstood her essay. It wasn't about a pay gap due to gender. She took personal responsibility for making less than some of her male colleagues due to the fact that they negotiated better, and she valued being "liked" over aggressively negotiating more pay.
/r/MensRights20/10/15 04:37 PM
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That's horrible, I'm sorry.
/r/MensRights09/09/15 06:11 PM
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You're missing the point. No one is saying circumcision is wrong. They're saying it's wrong to force cosmetic surgery on someone without their consent.
/r/MensRights09/09/15 06:10 PM
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Everyone responded to you with physical examples, but there's also just the violation of bodily integrity- someone else causing irreversible changes to your genitals without your consent. Even if you grow up good and fine and your junk works, you were still violated. These "rape culture" obsessed feminists are the same ones who think it's fine to violate male infants' bodily integrity. In the same way that someone who was raped may never endure physical damage, and will likely "get over" the psy…
/r/MensRights09/09/15 06:03 PM
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I don't know why people are downvoting you, it's true. And most Americans would agree that it's disturbing, yet don't acknowledge we treat men the same way they treat women.
/r/MensRights23/07/15 05:49 PM
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Makes one wonder how she got into Columbia in the first place..
/r/MensRights28/04/15 03:54 PM
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