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| 6 | Movember's here (in case you forgot): Men's Health | elissa1959 | /r/MensRights | 20/11/08 10:58 PM | |
| 2 | Slapping? What do you think? | elissa1959 | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 05:09 AM | |
| 0 | Can the men's movement be pro-feminist? (From 1999, oldie but goody. From Australia.) | elissa1959 | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 06:32 AM | |
| 0 | (redirect from men's rights) Hundreds of Aboriginal men from across Australia have issued a historic apology ... | elissa1959 | /r/MensRights | 04/07/08 03:46 AM |
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| 2 | My husband is, like every other male I know, merely a Moderately Bad Man.The author distinguished between "a marriage takes work" (to which I agree) and "a marriage is work" (to which I disagree). She was of the latter camp. Put in those terms and from what you said, I'd suspect that you and I probably both see our marriages in similar ways. Hella fun... Every night, just going to bed feels like a slumber party. Taking long car trips with no interruptions.... I just can't believe that we can talk for hour without running out of interesting conversation. And yeah, occ… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/09 11:03 PM |
| 2 | My husband is, like every other male I know, merely a Moderately Bad Man.Compared to you we men are mere moderately stinky armpit-scratching shoe-killers. LOL! | /r/MensRights | 14/01/09 12:58 PM |
| 3 | My husband is, like every other male I know, merely a Moderately Bad Man.The incentive is that you want to maintain that vibrancy as long as possible. I find that love only fades when the unsaid shit piles up. | /r/MensRights | 14/01/09 12:58 PM |
| 5 | My husband is, like every other male I know, merely a Moderately Bad Man.That is a good thing. I hated that she described a marriage as being work though. My marriage is pleasure, my husband is my best friend, and no, he isn't a "moderately bad man", he's a fantastic person (I don't want to say "fantastic man" because that would actually sounds like he was better than other men. He's an ordinary man and he's fantastic (as are many many ordinary men) :-) I still think the secret to a good marriage is to communicate. I still think I don't have my head in the clouds and… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/09 12:53 PM |
| 9 | A 17yo Sheboygan girl was charged Thursday with MISDEMEANOR sexual assault for sex w/ her 14yo boyfriend, a day after a 17yo Sheboygan boy was charged with a FELONY for sex w/ a 14yo girlfriend.I can't find the direct phone to the Assistant DA (James A Haasch) who charged both cases, but according to the letterhead on this pdf, his supervising DA, Joe DeCecco, can be reached at 920 459 3040. I think he deserves a few phone calls. If you do call a public servant, please be polite, state your complaint clearly, and thank them for their time. You're more likely to make an impact that way. Should we come up with some sort of agreed upon message? It might be more impactful. First, it's clea… | /r/MensRights | 10/01/09 07:12 AM |
| 2 | I learned that men are capable of honor, valor, compassion and courage and that they are essential to instilling those virtues in their sons and daughters.From my father I learnt love, compassion, generosity, caring, humor.... Men aren't all about killing and dying for the Motherland. Look, Kathleen Parker's dad seems ok in a stagnant old-fashioned 1950s sort of way, even though I get the idea that his ideas were encased in concrete and he was pretty inflexible. I also appreciate her deep love for the man. That I get. I just hate her, the conservative lackey. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/09 07:36 AM |
| 2 | 2 teens have sex in a school hallway. Boy is suspended for 10 days. Girl is not.omfg... Yeah, she's completely impervious, isn't she.... | /r/MensRights | 30/12/08 09:39 AM |
| 1 | 2 teens have sex in a school hallway. Boy is suspended for 10 days. Girl is not.I'm the type of feminist who thinks that to the/o best of our abilities, women should also have to serve (and suffer) the difficulties of war. It's part of men's oppression that their lives and bodies are treated as disposable while women's are treated as sacrosanct. I don't believe in war altogether, but it's unfair to men that they be the only ones having to suffer combat. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/08 10:46 PM |
| 2 | 2 teens have sex in a school hallway. Boy is suspended for 10 days. Girl is not.He was suspended, not "kicked out" (expelled). It won't go on a "permanent record", his future employers won't know about it. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/08 10:43 PM |
| 2 | Trisha Bonney decided she needed a day off work so she did what any reasonable person would do - she reported to the police that she'd been raped.I'd be a little wary of these figures.... In Neil Boyd's book, Big Sister, his research shows that the FBI figures from 1965 and 1975 were around 15% of false reports. More recent research shows that 30% of rape reportings are "unfounded" (which doesn't mean contrived, but simply means that not enough evidence exists to prosecute). Glenn Sacks points to Kagin's "responsibly done studies", but Kagin's two studies are of 109 rape cases and 64 rape cases, not exactly statistically relevant. (Follow… | /r/MensRights | 24/12/08 04:36 AM |
| 1 | Afghan parents selling their sons to survive. While girls are are rarely traded, boys can fetch substantial sumsI visited India 15 years ago with a Uni friend who was from there, and it's not uncommon for middle class families to have one or more teenage girl servants from a poor village working for them. It's extremely different from our Western cultural mores. In their culture, this was fine, since the girls weren't enslaved: the girls' families were paid, the girls got to visit home once a year, they wouldn't have been sent to school anyhow, they weren't overworked or treated badly and occasionally the… | /r/MensRights | 24/12/08 03:55 AM |
| 1 | Why are so many female teachers targeting boys for sexual abuse?The point that pn6 was making and that I agree with is: a 14 year old's "consent" does not mean "informed consent" in the way you (seem to be? are?) claiming it does. I used my own experience to agree with you that yes, some 14 year olds apparently know their own mind and seem to come through their teens undamaged by (some of) what they did :-D I don't feel that I was hurt by having lost my virginity at 14. However, I was hurt by other things at 14. I was majorly hurt by my father developing a t… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/08 05:02 AM |
| 2 | Why women find married men more attractive than single men.Yeah, that author's pretty much an arse. For instance: He can be a high-quality mate, or he can be a low-quality mate; she just doesn’t know (unless, of course, he’s driving a Jaguar or wearing a Rolex, but only if she knows what it means). You can be a low quality mate (i.e., bad lover, bad listener, non-communicative, self-absorbed) while driving a Jaguar or wearing a Rolex. The reason the author's always been an arse is that he defines men's success as financial, always. He defines women's su… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/08 01:22 AM |
| 1 | Symptoms of Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS)Assuming that if a parent had been physically abusive with the other parent, it follows that the parent will assault the child. This assumption is not always true. True, but FFS, if you're a violent asshole, get some fucking help. If your partner left you because you beat them, then I can see why they might be a little concerned that you have a violence control issue. Until someone actually gets some help, I think it's fairly valid to want to protect the kids against them. There is help out ther… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/08 01:14 AM |
| 6 | Despite the AAP's findings, circumcision should be advocated because it's prettier. Beauty trumps logic and decency.Visual appeal and sexual hygiene Lack of hygiene is a temporary condition that is easily fixed with soap and water. Visual appeal isn't inherent, it's learned. Time to unlearn this one. | /r/MensRights | 22/12/08 01:06 AM |
| 12 | Circumcision: baby boy screams himself hoarse. He's under anesthesia. Dad gets weak and asks for help.I was introduced to the anti-circumcision movement by a boyfriend who felt cheated by the fact that he'd been robbed as a infant of hundreds of pleasure nerve cells. Because of circumcision, instead of pleasurable nerve endings, he had a numb spot where he had a scar. Because of decades of exposure, the glans had also become somewhat insensitive. Paradoxically, he was also overly sensitive during sex, so that it was too easy to ejaculate too fast or to numb out and not come at all. All of this h… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/08 01:02 AM |
| 3 | Circumcision: baby boy screams himself hoarse. He's under anesthesia. Dad gets weak and asks for help.Good on ya! | /r/MensRights | 22/12/08 12:51 AM |
| 1 | Why are so many female teachers targeting boys for sexual abuse?While I agree with you (as do quite a number of countries that consider 16 to be "the age of consent"), the boy was 14, and it's a lot less clear. The article makes it explicit: Experts agree that, in time, even willing teenage boys coaxed into sex by their authority figures, no matter how attractive, exhibit abused child symptoms. "Boys and girls who are put in these situations aren't emotionally ready to deal with all the complexities of these relationships," Shakeshaft told WND. "The lasting … | /r/MensRights | 22/12/08 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Why are so many female teachers targeting boys for sexual abuse?You may have been fortunate to have been mature enough to think it through. I also had sex by age 14 and I feel that I was as much an agent in the decision (luckily) as my (older) partner. You say, "Yes he can make an informed decision". I agree: some teens can. But some can't. And for those who make the wrong decision for the wrong reason, they can get very hurt. It's still the adults job to protect children, even when they're 14 year old teenagers. To this end, the adult was clearly in the wro… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/08 12:41 AM |
| 1 | Why are so many female teachers targeting boys for sexual abuse?Thank you for posting that, pn6. I've been wondering for a while what the numbers were like. I was assuming that it was still a very rare phenomenon that was getting publicity because of the novelty. It sucks that it's so widespread, but it's good that the information is getting out about it. I'm sort of glad that it can now be treated as a human problem, since both genders have these fucked up attitudes and confusions about sexuality, power, etc. Maybe if we keep shining a light under the rocks… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/08 12:32 AM |
| 1 | No tolerance for Human Trafficking - or mention of male victims.Interesting.... taking the 4 human trafficking articles together (thanks for posting those, pn6), it's almost like the State Department is admitting that the US Armed forces traffics in women, but not in men. Anyhow, that said, wow.... Slavery is still alive and well in the world :-( | /r/MensRights | 19/12/08 05:18 AM |
| 1 | Males who have dual US / Singaporean citizenship are conscrpted to the Singaporean military for two years.I suspect it isn't a personal agreement, but a blanket agreement that's made to any citizen. That said, my (Aussie) husband was "required" by the US to sign up to Selective Service when he was merely a resident there. They tried to threaten him with the idea that if he were to later try for citizenship, that his non-compliance might affect their decision. Happily, the Australian Consulate told him (in effect) that they were pretty insane for making such a request and threat. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/08 05:05 AM |
| 1 | "...but men's rights activists are murdered in other countries for fighting for mens rights all the time!" This submission is brought to you out of petty spite.Men are, but don't conflate "men" and "men's rights activists". A lot of men are actually uninformed about men's oppression and as such oppress other men, or collaborate. Sadly, some men's rights activists don't have much info about men's oppression, so actually, it's great that you pointed out some of the most egregious oppressions of men. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/08 04:56 AM |
| 2 | "...but men's rights activists are murdered in other countries for fighting for mens rights all the time!" This submission is brought to you out of petty spite.Is this some fight between your_opinion_sucks and aerik? | /r/MensRights | 19/12/08 04:54 AM |
| 1 | Female Interrogators at Gitmo Wipe Fake Period Blood on Detainees to "Break Them"Just read today: a bipartisan report by the Senate Armed Services Committee has made what amounts to a strong case against some of the architects of the White House policy on torture. If so, looks like some justice might be coming. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/08 04:45 AM |
| 1 | When is teen jail bait not teen jail bait?When she is the adult and he is the underage teenager it seems - ‘Underage boy seduces married woman’ This is one double standard that feminists don’t seem to want to spend too much time complaining about. I think you're creating a strawman, just to bolster an anti-feminist rant. Feminists, such as myself, actually believe that adult women should have the responsibilities and duties that men do, and as such, I don't like the double standard. I think women should be held to the same standard: don… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/08 02:54 AM |
| 1 | Activists want a ministry for men: Times of India"We are not saying women's issues should be ignored, but men's genuine problems should also be understood" Good on them. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/08 02:05 AM |
| 2 | Women have an evolutionary goal of of marrying nice, resourceful men, and cuckolding them with handsome, masculine men with higher levels of testosterone.Being attracted to someone doesn't mean fucking them. And being in a relationship with a nice man doesn't imply that procreation never happens. You know, having these conversations with you guys is so fucking pointless. You all have some weird neanderthal impression that women can't "keep it in their pants", and I have to think it's possibly because none of you actually manage to keep it in your fucking pants. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/08 03:26 AM |
| 2 | Women have an evolutionary goal of of marrying nice, resourceful men, and cuckolding them with handsome, masculine men with higher levels of testosterone.(By the way, I'm the wife. That aside....) The only way to know if she hasn't cheated on you is to somehow spy on her.. all the time. Yeah, but you can also tell if you have a close and comfortable relationship if you both share honestly and emotionally. On some level, I would forgive my husband for a lapse, if we could maintain the intimacy.... The problem with affairs is the loss of intimacy, often because lying will put distance into practice.... Anyhow, thanks for the good wishes and good lu… | /r/MensRights | 05/12/08 10:42 AM |
| 4 | School gets all clear to favour girls over boysThe thing you're not considering is that classes might run smoother for boys too if the classes have a modicum of gender balance. They are setting a goal of no more than 2 boys for every 1 girl. Not sure how discriminatory that is. Perhaps the actual discrimination is against girls. Why aren't girls applying in higher numbers? Perhaps they're discriminatory by offering courses that are more attractive to boys, and hence they aren't getting a balanced number of applicants. Perhaps they WERE previ… | /r/MensRights | 28/11/08 07:22 AM |
| 3 | She said they were the same age. She lied. He's sent up the river.This shit kills me. People who are 16 are not offenders. Teens shouldn't even be tried as adults. Trying this boy as an adult was abuse. (Read pn6's link below for details. Poor kid was terrified he''d lose 20 years of his life, so he plea-bargained! That terror is abuse.) First off, it completely fucks this person's life up. That's completely horrible. But second, it's common sense. If you start mislabelling people as offenders, then the label loses all sensible meaning. | /r/MensRights | 27/11/08 12:30 PM |
| 10 | "Imagine what it must be like to be a man" - people tore into her for this post, but she pretty well nails it.She pretty much summarizes men's oppression. Artistically, however, I think it's a bit of a fluff piece, because her imaginary man is too completely pure and innocent throughout his life. Certainly he's human enough to have conflicting emotions. Sometimes he would want to just fuck someone and not marry them.... Sometimes he's the one who breaks up and calls the mom a bitch.... And sometimes, just sometimes, he commits a crime. Just sayin'. None of us, self included, is pure as the driven snow. … | /r/MensRights | 27/11/08 12:23 PM |
| 2 | "Imagine what it must be like to be a man" - people tore into her for this post, but she pretty well nails it.The actual statistic, backed up by DOJ, is that 1 in 4 women (and 1 in 12 men) are assaulted in their lifetime. Depending on the definition of "assault", I'm assuming it's much higher for boys and men, who get beat up.... I don't think most of that is reported. | /r/MensRights | 27/11/08 12:15 PM |
| 3 | Women have an evolutionary goal of of marrying nice, resourceful men, and cuckolding them with handsome, masculine men with higher levels of testosterone.Certainly, if all you're looking for is sex, then rent (or find a suitable partner who only wants sex). If you want an actual relationship with an equal, then have a relationship. If you're the (misogynist) type who believes that women could not possibly be equal, then go spend your money on a woman who only wants your money. Make it a completely commercial transaction. Good riddance. | /r/MensRights | 25/11/08 12:20 AM |
| 2 | Women have an evolutionary goal of of marrying nice, resourceful men, and cuckolding them with handsome, masculine men with higher levels of testosterone.I think there's definitely some enlightenment within the judicial system. More men and women are seeking joint custody and it's becoming more common. It's no longer a given that women get the kids and men get the bills. It's a benefit of no fault divorce, I think, where one party had to sue the other. Now, people can split amenably, and neither has to get screwed. (I don't know the numbers though, sorry.) | /r/MensRights | 25/11/08 12:00 AM |
| 4 | Women have an evolutionary goal of of marrying nice, resourceful men, and cuckolding them with handsome, masculine men with higher levels of testosterone.You're completely correct. Men and women deserve good , loving adult relationships with one another where neither cheat, both are honest, both COMMUNICATE and work out the difficulties. I've just celebrated my 12th anniversary. Neither of us have cheated. We're very close and we share everything. If you're willing to put in the work, you deserve it. And a lot of women and men would agree with you. <continues to ignore the misogynists fuckwits here> | /r/MensRights | 24/11/08 11:54 PM |
| 2 | Women have an evolutionary goal of of marrying nice, resourceful men, and cuckolding them with handsome, masculine men with higher levels of testosterone.You wrote (previous post): The bottom line is that among populations with poor emotional control and low intelligence you're going to have the animal instincts predominate and these things will be widespread facts of life. and then wrote: in poorly educated areas. There's definitely a relationship between poor education, lower intelligence, poor emotional control.... I just don't know if the relationship is causation or simply correlation, and, if causation, which direction. Watching Jerry Sprin… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/08 11:47 PM |
| 3 | Women have an evolutionary goal of of marrying nice, resourceful men, and cuckolding them with handsome, masculine men with higher levels of testosterone.The conclusion is complete bullshit. For the most part, evolutionary biology is a "soft" science. And a pop psych treatment of evolutionary biology is even fluffier. The conclusion the author draws has no backing. It's just as likely that the evidence simply means that women will be attracted to men who will get her pregnant on her next ovulation and says nothing about setting up house, raising the child, etc. An ovulating women is attracted to the "right now" guy and a women who'll ovulate in 2… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/08 11:38 PM |
| 5 | Women have an evolutionary goal of of marrying nice, resourceful men, and cuckolding them with handsome, masculine men with higher levels of testosterone.Just because the author of a pop psych blog claims that "... women’s overall evolutionary goal of marrying nice, resourceful men (“dads”), and cuckolding them with handsome, masculine men with higher levels of testosterone (“cads”)" doesn't actually mean it's true. Being attracted to someone while ovulating and being attracted to someone different while not ovulating says nothing about either whom one fucks or marries. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/08 07:23 AM |
| 2 | Couple arrested for 'having sex' on crowded train; man charged, woman bailed.yes, you're exactly right. It's not clear what charges, if any, will be laid against her. I was simply making the case that "she wasn't let go scot-free" as claimed. It's up in the air, pending investigation, apparently. Unless you assume that he was telling the truth, in which case, he's had the charges drop. It is claimed that charges against him have been dropped. Now you get pedantic? How about reading for preciseness when you post it? You might have actually ignored this one. (That wasn't m… | /r/MensRights | 13/11/08 02:02 AM |
| 2 | Couple arrested for 'having sex' on crowded train; man charged, woman bailed.It made it clear that she was released on bail pending charges. This is not "ommitted", it is stated very clearly. Again, this is not the oppression you're looking for. Added: Turns out, further, that "Mr Sim, of Richmond, Surrey, last night confirmed he had been arrested over the incident — but claimed the case had been dropped. He refused to elaborate." (from The Sun). In fact, it isn't reported that charges against her have been dropped, just against him. | /r/MensRights | 12/11/08 04:34 AM |
| 1 | Couple arrested for 'having sex' on crowded train; man charged, woman bailed.You do know that someone being out of bail is a standard legal procedure and does not mean that charges were dropped, right? She was the one performing the act, she might be charged with a felony. Sounds like he got his wrist slapped. (For all we know, "being charged" simply means that he paid a monetary fine and he's walking free. She still has charges pending.) There IS real oppression out there, but this isn't it. | /r/MensRights | 12/11/08 12:06 AM |
| 1 | Two conflicting conceptions of feminine dignitySorry, this has got to be the biggest load of bollocks I have ever read. I'm amazed it was written in 2008 and not in Jane Austin's time. For example, take the first sentence: "One of the hallmarks of Western civilization is the unusually high status it has accorded women." The only "status" accorded women was that of being kept on a pedestal if she were wealthy and virtuous enough. We actually don't want to be kept on a pedestal. We'd rather be human. Besides, despite this claim of "status", it… | /r/MensRights | 31/10/08 04:36 AM |
| 0 | "I hate to discriminate, but" you, an at-home dad, can't come with your toddler to our mothers play-date group.Not just women. It's throughout the media. As a woman, I wish these mommys would fucking wise up. We want men to help with the kids, we want men to love and adore their children like we do! Really! I would love to see this bullshit change. As a feminist, I know that women are completely capable ;-). However, I would love the idea of a man around kids being greeted with a response of: "Wow! It's so safe here with a strong, compassionate man around!" Added: people need to realize that the best of … | /r/MensRights | 21/10/08 03:56 AM |
| 1 | domestic violence shelters for men - discussionYeah, I did get to read it later on. I thought it was a good article, pretty much brought up all the relevant issues. I agree with you about the current model being stupid... are you sure it' only $15 per meal? I've heard that it costs the taxpayers about $35K a year to house a prisoner. Imagine if we have anything like that available to heal people instead of cage them (again, I warn you, I'm an idealist.) but it's a bit pollyannish to think that they can be reintegrated without time away and w… | /r/MensRights | 21/10/08 03:49 AM |
| 1 | domestic violence shelters for men - discussionI'm not sure I follow yr point. If your analogy is about jails, I agree whole-heartedly. I think it's time we seriously started investigating more humane methods to heal people who perpetrate crimes, violence, etc. I'm sure there are people who cannot be reached, people who won't be helped. But I think jails constitute cruel and inhuman punishment for the vast majority of inmates. | /r/MensRights | 20/10/08 10:30 PM |
| 1 | domestic violence shelters for men - discussionOoh, I can't reach the site, but in general, it's a great idea. Domestic shelters provide a safe place in the short run as well as help and support to rebuild what you'd need in your life to create more permanent safety. However, I personally think that as a society we do really poorly in healing people. I'd like to see more effort put into healing 'victims' of crime or violence as well as healing perpetrators. The latter would potentially be a huge investment of time and energy, but our current… | /r/MensRights | 20/10/08 02:30 AM |
| 1 | Margo Howard encourages woman to lie about child's paternitySorry, let's start over. I was pointing out that I had an earlier post in which I made it clear that I don't agree with the advice that the woman lie (to either man). In addition, I was talking about the set of men who find they are not biologically related and lose access to the children they've raised and supported. This is a real tragedy that occurs when paternity is only defined in terms of DNA. Your response was "that seems awfully cruel to the fathers that aren't even given the chance to p… | /r/MensRights | 16/10/08 03:39 AM |
| 1 | A judge allowed a mother who had sex with a 14-year-old boy to walk free, saying that the boy seduced her.Yes. It's useful to draw the distinction, because if you're moved to be an activist on this issue, you'd have to know whether to work with changing the laws or whether you need to research deeper into specific court cases and what the decisions were and whether certain judges should be the focus of letter writing campaigns, etc. Added: Even in a case like this one, you'd always want to be respectful to a judge in order to change his/her mind. Read the transcript for a start. Maybe the judge had … | /r/MensRights | 15/10/08 05:42 AM |
| 1 | A judge allowed a mother who had sex with a 14-year-old boy to walk free, saying that the boy seduced her.in most states, women cannot be accused or convicted for statutory rape of a male minor I've been trying to fact check this, but I'm coming up blank. Almost everything I run into is very clear to define their laws with references to "child" and "adult". Only one reference I found (Florida?) refers to adult males and underage females. Can you provide a link? I'm not sure that this is true with respect to law, although prosecution might be (probably is) something completely different. Edit: I actu… | /r/MensRights | 15/10/08 02:51 AM |
| 7 | Woman sentenced to two years in prison for lying about rape and not recanting for three monthsI agree. Likewise, I am a women sympathetic to rape victims. Actually, seems to me that being sympathetic to rape victims would require that false accusations stop occuring / are met with some time of recrimination / punishment / etc. I actually like honesty in my world. It's a good starting off point. If the only accusations were founded, justice would be simpler. | /r/MensRights | 14/10/08 02:26 AM |
| 1 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?I'm happy to call a truce on this whole thing, we've hashed the insults a great many times now. I'm not sure why you thought I was either casual or offhanded. I was neither. I actually researched the guy's comments for several minutes to see whether his initial slag was indicative. Perhaps you took my use of ironic understatement as "casual offhandedness". I assure you that I was merely trying to inject some humour into a dire situation. (That there was a bit of ironic hyperbole. Non-casual.) | /r/MensRights | 13/10/08 02:12 AM |
| 2 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?Yeah, I've read before (and it's repeated in your link) that women's rape fantasies are about sex being out of their control, hence without the responsibility, without the guilt, without the labels, etc. It would be great if these women could enjoy being the responsible party of their own sexuality without being guilted, without being labelled. For starters, there'd be more sex around. (I understand that occasionally you blokes like sex.) I assume that if men fantasize about raping (such as our … | /r/MensRights | 12/10/08 02:54 PM |
| 1 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?weirdly, we're in agreement here. because I wasn't "applying hard lines": there are some cases where mature-age and teen relationships might not be inherently damaging. Stop knee-jerk immediately hating and dismissing me. We're not on different sides. You just think we are. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/08 02:40 PM |
| 1 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?I see that you actually have gone and read his original comments and agreed with them. I apologise, you're not misogynist. You're an equal opportunity insulter. (Actually, you're still misogynist, but you're now officially also homophobic.) | /r/MensRights | 12/10/08 02:35 PM |
| 1 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?...you have presented an equality in your own choice of words here You're still incoherent. Learn some logic, Not every case of X is harmful means that there are some cases where mature-age and teen relationships might not be inherently damaging. Your statement can only mean that you disagree and that in your opinion all cases of women and teenage boys are inherently harmful (but some cases of men and teen girls are not harmful). Is this what you intended? I know a number of young men who would … | /r/MensRights | 12/10/08 02:23 PM |
| 3 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?by the way, you are permitted to admit you made a mistake, maybethe guy isn't as nice as you thought, and that maybe I wasn't being a judgemental piece of shit, as you implied. Or you can continue to dig deeper and deeper. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/08 02:16 PM |
| 3 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?You want to hear my rape fantasy? Here it is: Some guy tries to attack me, and I go apeshit and bet the crap out of them, leaving them bleeding and whimpering in the dirt. I then call the police who lock their slimy ass in jail for a decade. What's your rape fantasy like? | /r/MensRights | 12/10/08 02:14 PM |
| 3 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?yes, because your reaction was to dismiss what I said, calling it "judgemental bullshit feminist crap" because I called someone who makes a rape joke (or, probably actually means it, if you read his other comments) isn't a "nice guy". Yeah, the word for men who think rape joke are acceptable and who automatically bash women for the crime of criticizing a fellow male are, in fact, misogynist. If you don't like the label, perhaps you should actually use your brain, rather than your woman-hating gu… | /r/MensRights | 12/10/08 02:08 PM |
| 3 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?Oh, and by the way, it's now OK to joke about raping women? (and then you bash me for suggesting that someone who jokes about rape isn't nice). You really are a misogynist piece of shit. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/08 01:58 PM |
| 1 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?Yes, they are possibly harmful. Any relationship has the potential for harm. I'm not preaching child abuse here, be very clear about that, ok? I'm just saying that not every case is inherently harmful, and for the majority of human existence, 16 year olds had long-term relationships. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/08 01:56 PM |
| 0 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?Pretend what's the same? Even when you're not bashing me, you misogynist piece of shit, you're completely incoherent. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/08 01:55 PM |
| 2 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?Yeah, I could also tell he wasn't a "nice guy" by the verbal abuse of pn6 which was linked in the post that I responded to. And since pn6 is neither female nor feminist, perhaps your misogynistic kneejerk asshole of a brain will now conceded that the guy in question is, in fact, a complete dick. I was being nice, but since your first reaction to anything female is verbal abuse, I can dish it out as well as take it. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/08 01:47 PM |
| 0 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?So we at least agree that there was a one - sided article. It was two-sided rather than four-sided. (Two sides were presented: the "teenage boys are not yet mentally developed, hence it's wrong" versus the "the young man claims to have been willing participant, shouldn't he have some say?") The gender reversal was not treated, no. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/08 12:54 AM |
| 1 | Men Are Second Class Citizens In The U.S.A.no, sorry I was being snarky. I'm serious though about feeling under attack. You don't need to score points on my behalf, pn6. We're almost fighting for the same things. We just happen to think of the enemy in differnet terms. You think it's me. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/08 12:42 AM |
| 2 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?I wanted to add an addendum: I don't think every case of adult female / teenage male relationship is inherently harmful. I likewise don't think every case of adult male / teenage female relationship is inherently harmful. I think that society is more likely to accept the former, and this opens the door to the latter becoming more acceptable. In a number of Western Societies, the age of consent is 16. It's only in the US, and I think it's a big issue for young people's liberation, where the age o… | /r/MensRights | 11/10/08 12:40 AM |
| 0 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?I actually thought it was a good well presented article. The issue of women - teenage boys is recently at the forefront of the news, with about 6 such cases this year. The questions raised were useful, the wide range of opinions were good. Aside from the picture of me that you're trying to paint, I did notice that gender reversal wasn't considered. (I simply put it down to an editorial decision and didn't take it as a personal attack on men.) | /r/MensRights | 11/10/08 12:37 AM |
| 1 | Men Are Second Class Citizens In The U.S.A.Duh. How does the misadrist crap that calls all men rapists make you feel? Makes me feel like I'm under attack. Makes me feel like you (the poster) hate all of us. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/08 12:18 AM |
| -1 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?Yes, all the examples were about women and underage men. You were saying that the NYT was condoning all such cases and I pointed out that wasn't what the article said. Now, you're changing the terms of the debate and making a different assumption about the NYT. But that isn' what the article is about. STOP TRYING TO SCORE POINTS WHERE THERE ARE NONE TO SCORE. There isn't a fucking WINNER in the game. It MIGHT be the case that not all examples of women and underage men constitutes rape whether or… | /r/MensRights | 11/10/08 12:15 AM |
| 1 | Men Are Second Class Citizens In The U.S.A."I know women that X" is logically equiv to "Some women X" or "Not all women X". That was CLEARLY my statement. Your article was clearly "All women Y" and as such it was a fucking misogynist rant. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/08 12:09 AM |
| 1 | Men Are Second Class Citizens In The U.S.A.Hi pn6, my point is that neither is universally true, and my perpective is no more limited than that asshole who is so misogynist that he's virtually frothing at the mouth. Thank YOU for YOUR limited perspective. You hate women, what would you know about us being nice, likeable, kind, generous? You don't believe that we are :-(. This kind of anti-woman diatribe is completely distasteful. You'd have fits if I posted the misandry that's out there (which I wouldn't, because I don't agree with any o… | /r/MensRights | 10/10/08 11:55 PM |
| 2 | Margo Howard encourages woman to lie about child's paternityif you read my earlier post, I don't approve of Margo's advice. That said, I DO stand by what I've written. "Dad" is the guy who did the hard yards. There are cases where the paternity was uncovered later on, and men who'd put their lives into their family were denied access simply by dint of lack of DNA. Your "recommendation" that they be screwed seems awfully cruel to them. See what I did there? I know you would agree with me, but I'm setting you up to be a straw man, just as you did me. I'm g… | /r/MensRights | 10/10/08 11:50 PM |
| 2 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?Yeah, that idiot also stated somewhere else in that thread that he considers raping women to be an option in order to "bring a bitch back down to earth"... don't know if he was "just" trolling, but not a very nice guy. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/08 05:59 PM |
| -2 | FAQ 4: Can men be raped by women?I don't actually think that's the reading they intend to have people take away from that article. I think they're raising the issue that it's much more complex than simply saying "yes, all instances of women having sex with under-18 year old males are bad". They pretty much show the gamut from clear cases of abuse to cases where the young men claimed to have been willing participants and the women getting jailer regardless. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/08 05:45 PM |
| 3 | Men Are Second Class Citizens In The U.S.A.Ah, a bullshit article by some asshole misogynist. Sorry pn6, it doesn't pass muster. I'm going to stay with * my * assumptions rather than his asshole assumptions (since I'm a women, and my sisters are women, and I've seen their marriages do badly - three in total, My marriage is going really well, thank you) that: Couples aren't going to arbitrarily break up. Women actually work hard to keep their families together. Divorce is a last resort. Women aren't going to arbitrarily take men for every… | /r/MensRights | 10/10/08 05:33 PM |
| 3 | Margo Howard encourages woman to lie about child's paternityI agree. Sounds like the man who's in the family would know the score, and he's chosen to have a family and raise the boy. This is not a bad thing to do. (What's unfair is when paternity is later used to deny dads access to children they've raised who aren't biologically theirs. That's got to stop. "Dad" should be defined as the guy who put in the hard yards, not (necessarily) the guy who provided the sperm. Then again, I'm not against children having extra parents. The more the merrier.) | /r/MensRights | 10/10/08 05:13 PM |
| 4 | Margo Howard encourages woman to lie about child's paternityWhat's this have to do with feminism? Men's liberation and women's liberation are inextricably tied. Women being free isn't oppressing men. Get over yourself. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/08 05:10 PM |
| 0 | Margo Howard encourages woman to lie about child's paternityI'm not agreeing with Margo, nor do I think the woman should lie about her child's paternity. That said, it's good to remember that parenthood is not simply DNA, though. The husband knew of the affair and chose to raise the boy. It seems clear that he has a large stake in what happens to his family, regardless of whether the boy is his biological son. It also seems clear that he has more facts available than the soldier serving in Iraq. I would advise the couple to get the son and the father (i.… | /r/MensRights | 10/10/08 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Affirmative action for males in a college speech class raises questions, but not student complaints.If there are differences in learning styles, and men are suffering in this class as a result, doesn't that imply that the supposedly gender-neutral classes are being taught in a style that favours women? That seems to be the root of the issue, and addressing that would seem to be the best approach. Yes. And yeah, that sounds smart. On the other hand, and in the meantime, there should be nothing wrong with a mens only course as long women have access to the same material in a similarly conducive … | /r/MensRights | 02/10/08 06:07 AM |
| 0 | Affirmative action for males in a college speech class raises questions, but not student complaints.I don't know that there are, for the same reasons (14th Amendment issues, Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 issues). I've known women who've both taken and taught women's studies courses and I've known of men in various of their classes. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/08 06:06 AM |
| 1 | Yes, Women Do AbuseI think quite seriously that such education does serious harm, for one women must make families and make homes and bring up children. Why, well as non PC as this is, it worked, it works, every example from every civilization on record demonstrates that this is somthing women typically do very well. And in turn, men have not tried their hand at it on mass, but if men did somehow swap roles completely with women I think we'd fail on mass. I do not think our genes posses the various talents require… | /r/MensRights | 30/09/08 12:54 PM |
| 2 | Men have listened to women, absorbed their arrows. It is time men insist that women return the favor.What sucks is that examples of "men's work" around the house (cleaning gutters, mowing, taking out trash) sound so much more fun than doing dishes, laundry, floors, dusting, etc. I recognize all the above as housework, but only the "women's work" some fit squarely into the category of "drudgery" (bad childhood ;-P) To be honest, I think human beings are lazy. It was probably a good survival mechanism (don't expend energy if you don't need to). I also think women (self included) are raised to mai… | /r/MensRights | 30/09/08 01:18 AM |
| 0 | Men have listened to women, absorbed their arrows. It is time men insist that women return the favor.whoever wrote this really should be embarrassed -- of their prose, at the very least. Ok, ok, I'll grant you that. But I did the opposite tactic and ignored the first few paragraphs until getting to the core of the piece. On the other hand, I have read a number of pieces (articles, books, etc) written by members of the mythopeotic men's movement, and while they tend to sound excessive at times, the gist is healing the wounds, and by doing so, rediscovering one's (male, in this case) power. I app… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/08 09:26 AM |
| 1 | Emotional abuse against men occurs in a large percentage of relationships and may lead to depression, psychologica1 distress, alcoholism, PTSD, weight loss, fear, and self-blame.Thank you for these postings, kanuk876. I noticed (and have upmodded) several new posts. And oddly, almost every one of them has this as the very first reaction. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/08 07:43 AM |
| 3 | Yes, Women Do AbuseI don't "care" in the way you imply. I was curious about why someone on a group that's ostensibly against oppression of men would demean men expressing themselves. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/08 07:41 AM |
| 4 | Yes, Women Do AbuseI'm sorry. Perhaps I don't understand your meaning of the phrase "cry me a river". I read it to mean that you are saying the following (please correct me if I'm wrong): the man is complaining you think the man should not complain I'm simply asking why (if I'm interpreting you correctly), you think the man should not complain? I'm not actually performing "semantic gymnastics", you're using phrases that have a lot of connotations while denying the major connotations. Finally, it wasn't me that dow… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/08 07:00 AM |
| 1 | Yes, Women Do AbuseI would guess that you're probably right - that a lot of feminists might be using the word in that limited way (that yes, the hierarchy is oppressive in many ways and that somehow "men are doing this to us"). As you can see from what I've already written, I'm not in that camp. I see it more broadly, that that framework hurts (the majority of) men as much as women. And I, for one, am glad that it's being dismantled. (And perhaps we can agree to disagree here, since it sounds like you're not neces… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/08 06:50 AM |
| 6 | Men have listened to women, absorbed their arrows. It is time men insist that women return the favor.Men who are self-assured in their own sexuality are comfortable expressing themselves. I actually didn't read anything in his writing suggesting that he QQ'ing. I read it as an explorative and honest discussion of (liberation) psychology. There are a lot of ways to liberate oneself, and liberating one's mind of old hurt experiences is not the least of these. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/08 06:35 AM |
| 8 | Men have listened to women, absorbed their arrows. It is time men insist that women return the favor.This is an interesting article. I recall a book I read years ago by Paula Caplan in which she surmises that since our very earliest experiences center around mother as nurturer, that we develop within our psychologies a tenancy to hold women (inherently? irrationally?) responsibility for both our pain and our pleasure. But since this is a response created in infancy, it's pre-intellectual / emotional, and so we're also terrified that we'll be hurt by her rejection. Scott Abraham seems to be sayi… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/08 06:31 AM |
| 4 | Yes, Women Do AbuseMockery acts like a silencing mechanism, so I used the word. So, why do you mock him? (you called him a "whiney bitch". You might have called me one too, but you might have simply called me an apologist for the whiney bitch mindset.) Please elaborate, I'm honestly curious. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/08 06:14 AM |
| 1 | Yes, Women Do AbuseYes, I'm pretty much saying that it's a shame the original authors (who self-defined as feminists) didn't realize their own biases, which were, in fact, sexist on several levels. I'm not quite clear on what you wrote though. Are we having a misunderstanding about the word "patriarchy"? I define the word as not necessarily being about gender, (and certainly not about "how men are"), but rather as a whole slew of ideals and oppressions about how both men and women "should" be. Patriarchy is thus d… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/08 06:09 AM |
| 3 | Yes, Women Do AbuseYes, women do abuse. And it's important that child abuse against males and child abuse perpetrated by women be known to exist, and be known to be as damaging as any other child abuse. (And that such acts need to be treated with the same intentionality to stop the perpetrator and to help the child recover). Just one point: it was women who described themselves as feminists that motivated this dynamic and promoted the supposition that women were pure victims of a patriarchal society, innocent of a… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/08 04:52 AM |
| 4 | Yes, Women Do AbusePlease elaborate. What's behind your need to mock and silence the writer? Lack of belief in the abuse? Lack of belief that these incidents are affecting his current life/love/relationships? A belief that men should not be sensitive? A belief that men should not express themselves? I honestly would like to know why you responded thus. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/08 04:38 AM |
| 1 | MRA's are "the abuser's lobby" according to Ben Atherton-Zeman of the National Organization for Men Against SexismHonestly? sounds scary, and I wouldn't want to do it.... lol Also, in actually bringing together people, they've already thrown stats around, and I'm sure they're all well-inured to statistical arguments.... How to reach their real humanity so they can actually see each other as people? One side is concerned about children's safety, one side is concerned about the rights of dads. You and I are very clear that these two are not in conflict. I'm sure that most of them also know that these two are … | /r/MensRights | 21/09/08 04:47 AM |
| 5 | MRA's are "the abuser's lobby" according to Ben Atherton-Zeman of the National Organization for Men Against SexismI'd love to have a discussion on these pages about the distinctions between the various anti-men's oppression groups. "Men's Rights" and "Father's Rights" groups are often conservative groups that include people who aren't necessarily against (all aspects of) men's oppression. They might be against specific aspects only, such as the differential treatment of men and women in family court. The fellow against the woman-run "The Good Men's Project", for instance, thinks boys should not express emot… | /r/MensRights | 20/09/08 02:44 AM |
| 1 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?(I like everything you've written above so I'm not going to answer point by point, but I didn't want to leave your post unacknowledged.) As a libertarian, I have come to realize that one thing holding libertarians back is that they refuse to acknowledge the legitimecy of power group politics I've heard a couple of libertarians now say something similar. I agree. In the absence of monetary power, all that most of us have is the power of organization. That's why I think things that unions have won… | /r/MensRights | 20/09/08 02:00 AM |
| 3 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?I agree with just about everything you said in the previous post... Thank you for that. Sometimes it really feels like you and I are at odds. I don't speak for all MRAs here, but I, and many others, have experienced women as untrustworthy allies, and have heard "trust me" right before a betrayal a few times too often. I absolutely hear you. "Trust me" would be the exact words a criminal would use to get you to share your bank account (and because of that, I don't think I use that phrase). I know… | /r/MensRights | 20/09/08 01:48 AM |
| 1 | Woman convicted of "having sex" with a 5 year old.The problem with all these examples is that we never get the whole story, we never get to read the whole judgement. Did the judge perhaps believe that she was "under duress"? Perhaps he's not saying she's innocent, but that he disagrees that she can be proven "guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt. (By the way, if this is the judge's reasoning, and I don't know that it is, the state of the boy should have nothing to do with it.) It would be good to see if the judge is at least consistent in this int… | /r/MensRights | 20/09/08 01:24 AM |
| 3 | Woman convicted of "having sex" with a 5 year old.I completely agree. Furthermore, there is no way to know at his (still young) age whether the acts have caused long term scarring. The judge was completely wrong in his assumption that only consciously remembered incidents are related to emotional distress. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/08 01:09 AM |
| 3 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?Wow. I've never heard people say "some of my favorite people and best allies are black". Kidding aside, let's revisit the original point of forensic's. He read my statement Also, you need us as allies and (most of you, at least) want us as allies. as manipulative and presupposing some kind of gender war. On my side, I use the word "ally" within a liberation struggle, but I don't see this struggle as a struggle between the genders. (I know other people and other feminists have and I think they're… | /r/MensRights | 20/09/08 12:34 AM |
| 1 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?You show that a man is a fit parent by contrasting him to his unfit wife. Actually, you might just show that they both suck and the kids should be raised by the grandparents lol I think you show that men are equally fit parents by raising awareness of the great things men do as parents. You print some articles of men who've decided to be primary caregivers and you make them the Sunday's newspaper "pull out". You do research on men's parenting styles and you show that men spend more hours at play… | /r/MensRights | 20/09/08 12:12 AM |
| 2 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?You don't know me from adam (eve, in this case). Don't come on, see I'm female, and start being an attack dog. My goal in this group isn't to battle against men's liberation and I'm not here to fight. I honestly don't think that the "a woman behaved badly" stories move men forward. I respect that forensic thinks they can, he provided an example of how they can open people's eyes. He himself agreed that, taken as a set, they sound misogynist and he's doesn't read all of them. (And I was bored of … | /r/MensRights | 19/09/08 11:50 PM |
| 2 | By what right can a woman presume to tell a boy how to become a good man?One of Lashlie's biggest points is exactly that - that more men need to be involved in the work she's gotten herself into. That's her biggest request to people out there, that men get involved. The problem here is that this link above is to some bullshit guy's misogynist complaint that women are completely unfit to even comment wrt boys, vis-a-vis his statement: But you are not so mad as the principals of the secondary schools who put a woman in charge of this project! I did a google search on "… | /r/MensRights | 19/09/08 03:53 AM |
| 4 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?Well, you can "subscribe" and you can "Subscribe". I agree that few people would agree straight up with a statement like "women are never evil". The bias that is there may be subtle and elusive under direct questioning, but its effects are indirectly observable in things like the bias of the court system. Well put. Yes, you're right. "Subtle" is a good word. Even obvious differential treatment can be "subtle and elusive under direct questioning", as you put it. I was thinking recently about the … | /r/MensRights | 19/09/08 01:06 AM |
| 5 | By what right can a woman presume to tell a boy how to become a good man?Why was I downmodded? Because there are a number of conservatives here who believe that boys would be better served if we drop all this namby-pamby touchy-feely hippy liberal crap and get back to being "real men" (tm). I tend to agree with Men's Liberationists who believe that the ultra-masculine mode is extremely oppressive to men, and it's about time men were freed from such a strict straight-jacket. I just read a statistic that "The average high school student in Des Moines, Iowa, hears an an… | /r/MensRights | 19/09/08 12:44 AM |
| 2 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?Hi hopeless_case, long time no see! Useful tactic .... drum beat against men (portraying them as the only evil-doers and never as the victim) is overwhelming. Yes, I agree. Absolutely needs to change. A reasonable way to fight that is to keep highlighting the numerious cases is which women are the bad ones until the impression than only men are capable of evil starts to loosen its grip on soceity's mind. Yes, points taken. Another reasonable way is to highlight men's victories, great deeds men h… | /r/MensRights | 18/09/08 08:51 AM |
| 1 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?It's not a static group of people. I link people to www.reddit.com/r/mensrights constantly who have never been exposed to the concept before. For these people new to the concept, it is necessary. Ok, fair enough. Thank you for your well-presented argument. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/08 08:38 AM |
| 4 | By what right can a woman presume to tell a boy how to become a good man?Wow. What an asswipe. He claims that he's qualified to be an advocate for boy's personal interests while stating his own ultra-conservative views that it's "absolutely ludicrous to say that boys should talk about their emotions" and that addressing homophobia would be hostile to "an agenda that aims to restore most boys' self-worth as boys". Actually, addressing homophobia might be one of the most basic ways to improve boys' self-worth. One of the deepest hurts a number of men I know faced growi… | /r/MensRights | 18/09/08 01:54 AM |
| 2 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?Oh sorry! I misunderstood you to have meant the current presidential elections are somehow 'us vs them' (according to Women's Studies Departments), hence the request for links. Thanks for the links, I'll have to make some time to read them. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/08 11:33 PM |
| 4 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?Reality must always be valued for the simple fact that it is reality. Yes. The statements of fact are just another data point. If you misinterpret them that is your fault. No. There is also other interpretations that are drawn by meta-phenomenon such as frequency of reporting. For example, some of the racism in American is fueled by news stories of black youth committing crime, doing time, etc. The news rarely shows another side. What if we read instead, about black families having reunions, bla… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/08 09:09 AM |
| 3 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?Not all of us do. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/08 08:56 AM |
| 7 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?Women's studies departments, in particular, make it very clear that it is an 'us vs. them' argument. I don't actually know of any, can you provide links? It seems more like this has been a talking point more than actual fact, but perhaps I read the wrong blogs. That said, I think it's interesting that: Rightwing commentators are crying "sexism" when Palin's credentials are questioned. I mean, it's a friggin' election. Everybody's credentials should be questioned. And if you're running on the pla… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/08 08:50 AM |
| 2 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?Also, you need us as allies and (most of you, at least) want us as allies. I find this statement to be extremely manipulative. It presupposes some kind of gender war. I'm sorry you read it that way. The truth is that I'm going to be committed to ending oppressions of all sorts, and men's and women's oppressions in particular. Some of my favorite people and best allies are men, and I'm committed to them. By allies, I mean: they support me when I need, they call me on my shit when I fail, and they… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/08 08:31 AM |
| 2 | FAQ1: Why did you post this? What does a crazy / evil act by a woman have to do with mens' rights?Thank you for a well-reasoned response. I asked this very question on a separate post. I agree with the sylvan who said "Maybe you could start a womenbehavingbadly reddit, and leave MensRights to articles about legal and sociocultural issues directly affecting men and our place in society?" Sometimes we're just too inundated with this message. We all know women behave badly. Humans can be fucked up. But you're preaching to the choir. Sometimes I just get sick of having my face shoved in it and I… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/08 03:16 AM |
| 0 | Domestic Dispute. They arrest the man (duh!), When they try to arrest the woman, she tries to hit Deputy with Mini-Van, falls out and is run over by her own mini-van.And so I ask again, aside from your one-man crusade to prove that women are horrible human beings, what does this (kind of stuff) have to do with men's rights? (Women and men can both be awesome and both be vile. It's the human condition. Close to angels and close to devils.) Sometimes, pn6, this group is dangerously like a White Supremacist group where people trot out one-sided articles to prove that "n-----s" are horrible. But that's not who we are and that's not what we stand for. We're all h… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/08 02:57 AM |
| 1 | Domestic Dispute. They arrest the man (duh!), When they try to arrest the woman, she tries to hit Deputy with Mini-Van, falls out and is run over by her own mini-van.Deputies were called to the home on Mallie Davis Road around 2 p.m., because of a fight between a husband and wife. When officers arrested the husband, they had planned on taking the wife, 63-year-old Mary Davis, into custody as well. This is all we know. A fight between a husband and wife and both were to be arrested. Period. "Good" because they're being treated equally. (L2Read) | /r/MensRights | 16/09/08 02:03 PM |
| 0 | Domestic Dispute. They arrest the man (duh!), When they try to arrest the woman, she tries to hit Deputy with Mini-Van, falls out and is run over by her own mini-van.No no, sorry. I was extrapolating from my original question (why is this on men's rights) and your response (and my fore-knowledge as well, of course) that women and men do tend to be treated differently legally. Since in this case, the women was also to be arrested, I was being a bit glib about "a victory for men's rights". Clearly it's not much more than a quirky human interest story which more rightly belongs .... probably in the dung heap of history ;-) (That said, it is good that both parti… | /r/MensRights | 16/09/08 10:16 AM |
| 1 | Father wouldn't give disabled daughter up for adoption. So the mother drowned the child.The compression was caused by purposeful tax policies to "patch" a broken system. By gathering up the remaining gold and printing money backed by an independent bank, basically taking out loans. That's why the dollar says "note". A note, in banking terms, is an IOU, debt. I can't spend much time on this now, but according to Paul Krugman's, Conscience of a Liberal, the compression was a result of changing the tax structure and effectively taxing wealth at a far greater amount than was done previ… | /r/MensRights | 16/09/08 07:48 AM |
| -1 | Domestic Dispute. They arrest the man (duh!), When they try to arrest the woman, she tries to hit Deputy with Mini-Van, falls out and is run over by her own mini-van.So in other words, this one is a "victory for men's rights"? While it is important for the legal system to treat men and women equivalently, I'd start shooting for bigger victories ;-) | /r/MensRights | 16/09/08 07:29 AM |
| 3 | Father wouldn't give disabled daughter up for adoption. So the mother drowned the child.According to wikipedia: The central holding of Roe v. Wade was that abortions are permissible for any reason a woman chooses, up until the "point at which the fetus becomes ‘viable,’ that is, potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid. Viability is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."[1] The Court also held that abortion after viability must be available when needed to protect a woman's health, which the Cou… | /r/MensRights | 16/09/08 07:26 AM |
| 4 | Father wouldn't give disabled daughter up for adoption. So the mother drowned the child.I'm not a neo-con. You're way the fuck off. I apologize. The depression was caused by the fiat money system, as was the compression. I agree with the former point and disagree with the latter. The compression was caused by purposeful tax policies to "patch" a broken system. It's possible that the fiat money system will always be "broken" in the same way, and so we find ourselves back at the same point in the a loop. Medicaid and Medicare are the reasons why we no longer have free clinics, becaus… | /r/MensRights | 16/09/08 02:53 AM |
| 2 | Father wouldn't give disabled daughter up for adoption. So the mother drowned the child.What's the difference between a baby due in 2 seconds, one that has part of its body out of the womb, and one that is entirely out of the womb? IMO, nothing, and abortion/infanticide is illegal in all those cases. What about a baby that was given an injection or other procedure to abort, but was born alive? Is this what's called "Partial birth abortions"? I know that those were legal only in the context of the fetus being inviable and/or the mother's life being at risk. Laws have passed (and uph… | /r/MensRights | 16/09/08 02:35 AM |
| -1 | Domestic Dispute. They arrest the man (duh!), When they try to arrest the woman, she tries to hit Deputy with Mini-Van, falls out and is run over by her own mini-van.Straw man. Aside from that, why is this in "men's rights", pn6? Should be in "funny" or "WTF" reddits ;-) | /r/MensRights | 16/09/08 01:37 AM |
| 1 | Father wouldn't give disabled daughter up for adoption. So the mother drowned the child.Yeah, shitty assumption. I'm surprised by the number of posts, below, in which men talk about infanticide as if it's a viable and humane option in the 21st century. Goes to show that killing babies isn't a gender thing at all. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/08 12:39 AM |
| 2 | Father wouldn't give disabled daughter up for adoption. So the mother drowned the child.It's on men's rights because the moderator actually hates women. His agenda is to uplift men by proving that women are rotten to the core. The problem is, he doesn't realize that while this shit is real, it isn't the whole story. It denies the goodness of people, both men and women, that exist as well. As a result, he isn't helping men, he isn't helping women, he's simply showing over and over and over that the pain of humanity is awful and traumatic. This feeds his energy, but does not leave hi… | /r/MensRights | 16/09/08 12:34 AM |
| 6 | Father wouldn't give disabled daughter up for adoption. So the mother drowned the child.Oh fuck, it's a neo-con. We most certainly did need FDR. He set in place policies that resulted in Medicaid/Medicare, Social Security. His policies led to "The Great Compression", which was a period of unfettered middle class growth that lasted 1/2 a century. Now we're back to the old pre-Rooseveltian, near depression, hugely economically divided mess. The rich are well off (<-- understatement of the year) and the middle class are a paycheck away from poverty. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/08 12:28 AM |
| 1 | Baskerville: 'Many divorcing fathers innocently expect sympathy from feminists...They are soon disabused'This book isn't about ot anti-feminism. It's against "no fault divorce". I actually support no-fault divorce - the system by which both adults can decide to split without one needing to sue the other. For starters, it's a lot cheaper and you don't need to retain two lawyers. If both adults want, it's some simple paperwork and a fairly low fee ($50? $100). (If one party doesn't want to divorce it's not as simple.) Contrast with divorces with cost both parties thousands, perhaps tens of thousands.… | /r/MensRights | 31/08/08 11:50 PM |
| 1 | Baskerville: 'Many divorcing fathers innocently expect sympathy from feminists...They are soon disabused'Straw woman arguments (in Sack's article). Feminists I know, self included, support men in having more parental responsibility and in having more/joint custody. I'm becoming more and more convinced that all this anti-feminism crap is a conservative media ploy to discredit feminism. No shit. I never hear this argument from any actual women, it's all from men who accuse feminists of supporting the current crappy divorce laws and in the very next breath abusing feminism. Give me any so-called organ… | /r/MensRights | 31/08/08 11:40 PM |
| 1 | divorce-by-nursing-home: something my dad's nurses told me was more common than anyone would believeTake as evidence, from the fact that it's a woman (me) bitching about a woman failing to stand up, that some of us do indeed stand up and encourage others to do so as well. Sexism keeps women quiet, compliant and failing to stand up. That's why women's oppression and men's oppression are linked and why both need to be confronted and stopped. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/08 05:47 AM |
| 2 | divorce-by-nursing-home: something my dad's nurses told me was more common than anyone would believeDon't get me wrong, I like Glenn Sacks, I think his articles are good, they always make one think, and he brings important issues to the forefront. I've also seen a number of cases where he's been sloppy, scientifically or numerically, and it can discredit his point. It's a shame when that happens. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/08 03:33 AM |
| 8 | divorce-by-nursing-home: something my dad's nurses told me was more common than anyone would believeIt's an extremely sad story about betrayal. And why the fuck doesn't the daughter stand up to her mother? "But I was just too weak to say anything else." Glenn Sacks always misses the point a little bit, however, and he does selective editing that pisses me off. He's always trying to score 100% pro-male and 0% pro-female, and it's obnoxious. The whole sad tale is about a ruined marriage, the bitter wife being unkind, at fault and not at all sympathetic, the poor man being hard done by. I think w… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/08 02:28 AM |
| 2 | Mom, quick on the draw, explained that his sister was reading her books in bed. "And there's no bedtime curfew when you're reading,"I read years ago that the average American will read only one book post-High School. I took it rather seriously as I calculated that I've caused tens of thousands of people to cease reading. I'm sorry! Seriously though, "ordinary" kids probably are like that, and I would would be nervous discouraging a new reader from reading anything that might encourage the new habit. On the other hand, it seems like your son does enjoy reading and that nothing's going to stop him from a lifetime of enjoying t… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/08 05:26 AM |
| 2 | Slapping? What do you think?A woman striking a man in film/tv isn't demonstrating that she's a social and physical equal, and rightfully exerting force to maintain her equal status. She showing that she is the weaker person, and that's why her act of violence should be considered trivial and non-threatening; Thank you, that's an excellent analysis. (I mean the whole thing. But this paragraph really clarifies it.) | /r/MensRights | 20/08/08 03:35 AM |
| 1 | Slapping? What do you think?I'd like to see that, I like humor with an edge. (By the way, this contradicts the post that said that women are never hit in comedy. On the other hand, it isn't the hitting that's comedic, it would be the reaction/horror that would be comedic.) Not at all the bland amusement derived from the dinosaur family show from the 90s based on the Honeymooners where the baby would hit the dad with a frying pan and say "Not the mama!" Do you mean The Flintstones? They were from the early 70s or earlier. I… | /r/MensRights | 20/08/08 12:14 AM |
| 1 | Women's relationships today follow a very predictable pattern: push for commitment, commitment, disinterest, infidelity, anger, divorce.Wow. Are Jews conniving and Blacks lazy? Let's have the while litany. | /r/MensRights | 20/08/08 12:08 AM |
| 2 | Women's relationships today follow a very predictable pattern: push for commitment, commitment, disinterest, infidelity, anger, divorce.Gee. "Women are liars." I wonder why I would find that offensive. (Hint: same reason I would find "Men are rapists" to be offensive.) | /r/MensRights | 19/08/08 04:24 AM |
| 1 | Women's relationships today follow a very predictable pattern: push for commitment, commitment, disinterest, infidelity, anger, divorce.Or maybe, as you claim (all) women are incredibly deceitful (always). Yeah, that makes sense because we have been raised by wolves and not in a society. In addition, none of us would ever value plain ol' ethics because every last one of us is a greedy biotch. And we want to take every one of YOU blokes to the cleaners because ALL of you are upstanding pillars of society. I am serious. You are a misogynist. Perhaps if you stopped hating us so much, women might respond and treat you with decency. … | /r/MensRights | 19/08/08 12:07 AM |
| 11 | Slapping? What do you think?Yeah. good points. I hate in films that in order to portray people as desirable, they're often already in a relationship, and in order for the film's story to develop, that first relationship has to dissolve, often through adultery with the new party! My sweetie and I applaud shows like Firefly that show actual happily-married couples. They're quite rare. Instead, you get infidelity "normalized" and yes, since romance is "for females", we're often the heroines no matter how badly we act and the … | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 03:59 PM |
| 2 | Slapping? What do you think?Why would I expect anything like that? I'm just wondering why it seems to have made a come back lately. Aren't we beyond that? I also find it an interesting phenomenon as it's never been defined in the popular mind as abuse. Like there's a rule out there (in popular-mind-ville) that if pushed past a (sexual?) boundary, a woman can slap a man once. But they need to fall into each other's arms by the end of the movie for it to be ok. I mean, if someone slapped you, how would you ever like them aft… | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?Well, we disagree over whether the person agreed to be on the hook to raise a child that resulted from sex they consented to. I am saying that by consenting to sex under certain conditions, you are agreeing to be on the hook. You are saying that someone can consent to sex, and thereby risk pregnancy and childbirth, then deny responsibility for the (possible) consequences. Well look, I don't like people being stupid. If you have sex, there's a possibility of pregnancy even with birth control. If … | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 03:47 PM |
| 1 | Slapping? What do you think?"To the moon, Alice!!" And we never doubted that good ol' Jackie Gleason was all bluff and would never actually hurt his wife (the actress's name has completely left my brain, I suppose I needed those synapses for something more important, such as what I had for breakfast Saturday). | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 06:34 AM |
| 2 | When girls were in trouble academically, we said "There must be something wrong with the schools," and we changed them to be more girl-friendly. When boys don't do well in school, we blame the boys.Ok, I re-read your above post and I see the point you are getting at: I'd call it "attacking pro-women bias" along with attacking the anti-male bias. (I still see this as distinct from "attacking women" because the phrase means so much more, but now we're on the same page.) I don't mind women being seen for who we are, I don't want a pedestal. Destroy that bloody thing. I'm all for men and women being true equals, getting an honest look at who we both are, warts and all. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 06:29 AM |
| 3 | Slapping? What do you think?I watched two popular movies/tv shows last week in which a woman slapped a man. It was the standard 1950s face slap in which the woman slaps, looks completely justified while doing so, and the man stands there looking a bit shocked, but not horrified, rubbing his jaw. I'm curious to hear people's opinions on this since it's clearly one of those abuses that is (still!) accepted in this day and age ("accepted" insofar as it made it to tv and the movies without either being blacklisted). Clearly it… | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 05:13 AM |
| 2 | Most females lie "more cleverly and successfully than men" about everything from cheating on their spouses and shopping binges to barhopping and facelifts.I read the amazon.com reviews and one was particularly enlightening: "The writer's amorality is distressing, too. She seems to have no serious sense of what lying does over time to a human being, even a female. The internal corruption and loss of contact with reality...that results from lying and kidding yourself about your own lies...is a very high price to pay for "success." The author seems not to think it matters much. The author accepts the premise of her subjects, which is that "lying is a… | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 05:05 AM |
| 2 | When girls were in trouble academically, we said "There must be something wrong with the schools," and we changed them to be more girl-friendly. When boys don't do well in school, we blame the boys.I agree with you and I appreciate your saying it in the way you say it (that it's possible for the unfairness against men and the unfairness against women to both be gone). Certain of both oppressions are rooted in the old traditional theories of men and women (e.g., women being awarded custody and men being forced to pay child support, men being assumed violent and women assumed passive, ...) and certain of men's oppression is possibly an offshoot of women having gained ground legally (I can't … | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 04:50 AM |
| 3 | When girls were in trouble academically, we said "There must be something wrong with the schools," and we changed them to be more girl-friendly. When boys don't do well in school, we blame the boys.There's a need for attacking anti-male bias. Don't confuse that with "attacking women". | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 04:30 AM |
| 3 | When girls were in trouble academically, we said "There must be something wrong with the schools," and we changed them to be more girl-friendly. When boys don't do well in school, we blame the boys.Actually, when girls were in trouble academically, there was a problem, mainly with the assumption that girls are bad at math (at the upper echelons, most math geniuses are men, but in 5th grade, this doesn't come into play). The schools weren't changed to make them more "girl-friendly", but the assumptions were changed to not allow a poor early performance let a girl fail for life. I think there's a similar assumption at play here with boys w.r.t. language. The assumptions (spelled out in the a… | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 04:13 AM |
| 3 | When girls were in trouble academically, we said "There must be something wrong with the schools," and we changed them to be more girl-friendly. When boys don't do well in school, we blame the boys.Gauss was "punished" in school and told to add 1 + 2 + 3 + ... + 99 + 100, to make him shut up for some time. The teacher was astounded when 2 minutes later he had the answer: 5050, based on Guass noticing that you add them pairwise (i.e., 1 + 100, and 2 + 99) and that you do this 50 times. He'd discovered the formula SUM(1..n) = (n + 1) * (n/2). Or so the story goes. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 03:53 AM |
| 1 | Women's relationships today follow a very predictable pattern: push for commitment, commitment, disinterest, infidelity, anger, divorce.friggin' misogynist. You don't even question articles that are obviously wrong, because they support your limited view of the world. Perhaps women are just deceitful to you. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 03:41 AM |
| 1 | Women's relationships today follow a very predictable pattern: push for commitment, commitment, disinterest, infidelity, anger, divorce.Your article is a badly written article that completely gets the facts on the ground wrong: Current research shows the 30% of the men who doubted their parentage and got a paternity test (rather than automatically paying child support in failed marriages) were indeed not the father. The numbers are therefore skewed, first, because in a failed marriage, there would be a higher proportion of adultery than normal, and second, because these are men who already had doubts they were the child's parent… | /r/MensRights | 18/08/08 03:39 AM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?I like your answers very much. When I say I don't have solutions, I'm speaking about the problem on the ground right now: is a consenting teenager responsible for bringing up a child? Is a man (or a woman for that matter) who doesn't consent to raising/paying for a baby still responsible for it's upkeep? You say yes, I say I don't have a better solution, but I think it's unfortunate to hold anyone to a contract they didn't agree to. Wrt the teens, would you consider all "statutory rape" to be ac… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/08 03:02 PM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?Good quotes. I think there's a fair bit of irony you've brought to light. The criminal court system certainly paints itself to be all about fairness. The other aspects of the court system seem to be about protecting property, in this case the state's own dollars. And it's all based on their assumption that all children be paid for by the genetic parents. (On the one hand, this is not a terrible assumption. It just allows too many cracks for people to fall through. (I can see some even making the… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/08 01:29 AM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?hi H_C, There are quite a few things in these cases worth mentioning, and I don't know whether we're in agreement on some, all, none of them. First, I think the whole issue of teenagers' sexualities is a big one. I think there is a limited way in which 15 year olds should be allowed to consent to sex (15 wasn't always too young, and it's just our modern era that says it is). Hence we need to differentiate the cases here in which the sex was consensual versus non-consensual. That said, I still di… | /r/MensRights | 16/08/08 01:31 PM |
| 2 | The campus rape mythRight, when I said "certain groups need protection", I wasn't talking about the group qua group, I was talking about the oppressions that make said group vulnerable. That said, having safe houses and special phones are not a bad thing while working towards the end of oppressions that make women vulnerable for instance. Similarly, one supports an international peace force protecting the Tutsis while stopping the Hutus. If we wait for oppression to abate on its own, lotta people die in the interim… | /r/MensRights | 13/08/08 02:57 PM |
| 2 | The campus rape mythI wasn't trolling you. I really appreciated your standing up for me there. Too often you aren't sure if you're standing in the wilderness and if anyone can actually hear what you think you're saying *lol* I wasn't trying to make anyone out to be "the bad guy" either (which is how people appear to interpret a women who writes anything suggesting that rape stills exists and is not a good thing). I just want to see anyone who is suffering evidence of distress getting the help they need. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/08 06:41 AM |
| 3 | The campus rape mythReplying to both pn6 and xzxzxz: There's probably a huge difference in the experiences of people incarcerated in low-, medium- and high-security prisons, and this could account for the discrepancies in our understandings. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/08 03:54 AM |
| 4 | The campus rape mythYou agree that having sex without consent is the fault of the victim? I agree that if she's shit-faced drunk and he's shit-faced drunk that both are equally culpable and no case should be made. However, being shit-faced drunk is no excuse for anyone to rape her, I don't care how wrong she was to get that inebriated. Similarly, someone being shit-faced drunk is no excuse to rob him/her (even though maybe he/she consented to giving away his/her wallet and jewelry). | /r/MensRights | 12/08/08 03:46 AM |
| 3 | The campus rape mythOh noes! .... should I take the bait ? ;-) The thing that saigo is missing is that once he throws out evidence of emotional distress as being an indicator that something is amiss and that the emoter needs some help, he's just screwed about the 40% of the armed forces who are currently suffering some form of PTSD (the majority of our combat vets are men, to boot). I suspect that he only cares about screwing over the women. That may just be my interpretation though. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/08 03:42 AM |
| 2 | The campus rape myththen you haven't seen a couple of 1-year-olds deciding who gets to play with a single desirable toy. I think you're right. I'm putting the cart before the horse. It's not that we learn violence (even though it's available to us as humans), as I said. Perhaps what we learn (and some cultures learn more) is that violence is not the first option, not a good option, not the only viable option. I think that self-defense is important and useful for individuals, groups, nations. I also think that we ca… | /r/MensRights | 11/08/08 11:53 PM |
| 0 | The campus rape mythIf you read further, you'd see that I didn't make the assumption that the heavy emotional content (nightmares, panic attacks) was from the drunken shag. I pointed this out. But I absolutely stand by the fact that these emotions are evidence of past distress. It's not "pop psychology", you don't need to discredit everything that you're unfamiliar with. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/08 03:17 PM |
| 1 | The campus rape mythThat's not the fault of men. I agree. And I agree that it isn't a safe world (even if people were the most harmless creatures, the world isn't safe, by definition. And we certainly aren't the most harmless). It isn't the fault of any one group of people, men or women, but it is an inherent fucked-up-ness within our culture. I think we teach violence, though. I don't think it's necessarily inherent, although clearly humans have it available to us. There are more peaceful societies that the curren… | /r/MensRights | 11/08/08 03:10 PM |
| 2 | The campus rape mythOh sorry, you're right. I think I was thinking of a combination of the 1980 study as revisited by Neil Gilbert (where 73 percent of the women whom she characterized as rape victims said that they hadn’t been raped) and the 2000 (not 2006) update when the Dept of Justice revisited the numbers and found "... Sixty-five percent of what the feminist researchers called “completed rape” victims ...(said) that they did not think that their experiences were “serious enough to report.”" So the original r… | /r/MensRights | 11/08/08 05:18 AM |
| 4 | The campus rape mythYou might be right about the silence. A lot of abuse happens to men that isn't (yet) publicized and well-known. One of my biggest criticisms of the current penal system (in the US at least) is that (speaking of men's prisons) the incidence of rape seems to be pretty high (although it's still mainly the stuff of legend - i.e., books and films). I think that makes a prison sentence potentially "cruel and unusual", hence unconstitutional. IMO, the whole thing needs to be revamped. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/08 04:48 AM |
| -2 | The campus rape mythNot so. Certain groups need protection. An analogy is the Jews in Germany at the very start of Nazi activity. It might have made a difference if the system noted that Jews were vulnerable and afforded certain protections. Noting that Jews were indeed vulnerable would not have been the same as telling them, "you're too weak for true freedom". You're ignoring that oppression does actually happen. Although I do agree that neither men nor women are by nature oppressors of each other. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/08 02:23 AM |
| 3 | The campus rape mythPlease don't question that women are raped. That would be like questioning that girls and boys and sometimes young men are raped or sexually abused. If you read the article, the numbers are still high. While the number drops from 25% to 1/4 of those, that's still a fairly high 6%. If 1 in 16 men were raped during uni, you think you guys would be silent about it? You might not like it, but denying it doesn't make it go away. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/08 02:18 AM |
| -1 | The campus rape mythGuys, you're all failing to do your math. If, instead of 1 in 4 women are raped / date-raped / attempted rape, only 25% of those are actually getting raped, that's still 6%. Far too high. Also useful to note that those numbers are from 2006, when nearly every college / uni has safe phones, volunteers who walk women to their cars, etc. I'd say we're still living in a fairly unsafe world for women. And the conservative apologist author who calls "Take back the night" marches a "victimhood ritual" … | /r/MensRights | 11/08/08 02:11 AM |
| 1 | Despite Susan’s assurances that Jim hadn’t hurt her and she wasn’t afraid of him, he was handcuffed and taken away. They said, `Well, we know that women who are abused often lie out of fear.’”"The best defense is a good offense." In the above case, Susan was fairly ineffective and it's not clear whether that was because of who she was or who the cops were. If it had been me, I probably would have shouted "STOP!" at the top of my lungs, followed by "Do I look like a scared victim? How dare you!" to the police officers (they tend not to laser women, and I'd be praying they didn't take me in too). I hate to say it, but if Susan had been a guy, he would have had a different stance, more … | /r/MensRights | 10/08/08 02:12 AM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?I am not sure exactly why I hesitate to go along with it. I think it makes it too easy for parents to walk away from supporting their children but I have to admit it could be I am just too pissed off at how unfair the law is toward men and am designing clever arguments to horrify women that are happy with the status-quo. I think it's because it leaves a hole in child support and that's where the community would need to step in. However, in our modern era, there's no such thing and it would be le… | /r/MensRights | 09/08/08 12:12 PM |
| 2 | Even more poignant, men are the victims of virtually all violence in comedy. Male pain is the only pain which actually brings laughter and applause.Wow. Thank you so much. You have really made my day and this has moved me. I'm here because I actually want to make a difference. I occasionally get snarky and maybe heavy-handed, but if I've reached someone and convinced them that women, in fact, feminist women "get it", then we can maybe move the world forward. Maybe there's hope after all :-D. (edit: I just realized that since you're a "hopeless_case", maybe there's no hope after all. I mean, I wouldn't want to push it! ;-) Thanks for letting… | /r/MensRights | 09/08/08 12:03 PM |
| 2 | Even more poignant, men are the victims of virtually all violence in comedy. Male pain is the only pain which actually brings laughter and applause.Read my response to Kanuk876. You're both interpreting my responses within a limited assumption that I'm an antagonist here. (actually, read my response to pn6 below, as well. I didn't realize that I'm all over the page and so some of my responses are out of order. they're more consistant when taken as a package). In fact, when you wrote above "I think the male plea for soceity's sympathy is valid.", I completely agree with you. You think you're preaching to me (i.e., as representing society), I… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/08 02:56 AM |
| 2 | Even more poignant, men are the victims of virtually all violence in comedy. Male pain is the only pain which actually brings laughter and applause.I wasn't saying stop whining and do something about it. I was saying don't be ruled by some false belief that you need a woman to make it better for you. (By the way, I did use the word "whinging" in my earlier post, but it was "stop whinging that X", not "stop whinging".) I completely think venting / discharging / crying / raging /emoting is an appropriate response in order to move through the pain and it's sometimes the only available first response. Often it's only when one's moved through (s… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/08 02:41 AM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?BTW, speaking to soceity's beliefs, have you ever seen a movie in which a couple get pregnant, the woman wants to keep the baby, the man does not, and the man is protrayed an something other than a total asshole for having felt that way? The reverse scenario is protrayed often (they wake up pregnant, the man wants the child, the woman doesn't and then gets an abortion over his objection) and the woman is never protrayed as an asshole for wanting an abortion. I've actually never seen either that … | /r/MensRights | 08/08/08 12:28 AM |
| 2 | Even more poignant, men are the victims of virtually all violence in comedy. Male pain is the only pain which actually brings laughter and applause.There are many people involved in women-centric organizations who do not want to see men's issues discussed - any men's issue - for fear of taking attention and resources away from women's issues. Yeah, fair enough. So create more male centric organizations to generate the resources and attention for men's issues. There are a lot of issues in the world, everyone has their favorite. Get a group of activists together and join existing groups who are fighting male infant genital mutilation. Join gr… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/08 10:13 AM |
| 3 | Even more poignant, men are the victims of virtually all violence in comedy. Male pain is the only pain which actually brings laughter and applause.Those of us who support men's liberation would pretty much eschew all genital mutilation. clearly, not all of you do support men's liberation. Yes, that's clear. Likewise, not all feminists are exactly the same. She hasn't yet been educated. she declared her disinterest. Yeah, she did. I called her an asshole for that. I still think it's a matter of education. Look: it's another area where our liberations are closely tied. Aside from the fact that it's just not right to hurt people (and the huma… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/08 05:06 AM |
| 1 | Because women are much better parents: Claire Jones killed her newborn and hid it in her car. She got an 11 1/2 months, suspended sentence.First: Yeah, you're right. I read the top link (which contained almost what you had quoted, but not that central line), but didn't read the inner link. My bad. Next: My true colors? (edit: it wasn't a personal attack. Honest.) You didn't answer my question, though and I don't even know that you've considered answering. Just the question seems to make you angry. 8-( Look, the girls did horrible things. Your step mom failed to intervene. Your dad is non-existent in the story. It may be that you we… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/08 03:24 AM |
| 1 | Because women are much better parents: Claire Jones killed her newborn and hid it in her car. She got an 11 1/2 months, suspended sentence.You purposely and without using ellipses to show that you had done so omitted the central sentence: "On the night of Dec 28 last year Jones gave birth alone in the bathroom of Mr Stoneman's parents' house but the baby was stillborn." (You also included a sentence that isn't in the article. You need to keep your quotes clearer.) I'm not excusing women. Rather, I post to contradict the automatic knee-jerk reaction to ignore certain facts because they don't jibe with the misogyny that people are tr… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/08 02:56 AM |
| 1 | Because women are much better parents: Claire Jones killed her newborn and hid it in her car. She got an 11 1/2 months, suspended sentence.pn6, She didn't kill her newborn, she had a miscarriage. Stop reading things into these articles that aren't there. Furthermore, pn6, honestly, you post these articles because they prove your world view that women are horrible. However, that world view isn't accurate and it's killing you. (About which, strangely enough, I care. Go find some articles that contradict your world view, in which women are loving parents and partners and ... I dunno. If I were you, I'd just have a good long cry.) chee… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/08 01:41 AM |
| 1 | Even more poignant, men are the victims of virtually all violence in comedy. Male pain is the only pain which actually brings laughter and applause.my god..... you all got as far as the comedy? I'm still stuck on circumcision.... ouch. Sounding like a broken record here, but seriously, feminists are not pro-circumcision. There is no "feminist policy". Those of us who support men's liberation would pretty much eschew all genital mutilation. (Jewish feminists might be divided due on this due to religious confusion.) The author talks anecdotally about one feminist who just so happens was wishy-washy on the subject (and was a bit of an asshole … | /r/MensRights | 06/08/08 12:53 AM |
| 2 | 1 IN 5 FATHERS wrongly named, CS agency says. no prosecutions, though.It would be more correctly reported if the title (of the Guardian article) was "1 in 5 fathers who doubt their paternity and thereby request DNA testing are in fact wrongly named". I don't know how this compares to the number who don't request the paternity test. The article also notes that men don't ask for one if they can't afford it. The article didn't point out that men don't ask for one if they actually believe themselves to be the father. The misleading title leads one to infer that 20% of… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/08 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?Thanks for the response. I don't actually think the men's liberation movement is pushing for a return to sexism. I'm very clear that there's a humanist men's liberation movement that's pushing for the end of all oppressions, including ending sexism, anti-gay bigotry, classism... This is why I don't pit men's liberation against that of women's. I've stated numerous times on this board the old chestnut "no one's free until we all are free". None of the things you mentioned are the result of femini… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 11:13 PM |
| 1 | After shooting her husband with a 12 ga. shotgun, Mary Winkler gets her daughters backNo, she didn't. She admitted that she shot him, but said that she'd just grabbed the gun from the closet to brandish, to force him to deal with their problems. She said there was a loud boom, something had gone off and that she ran away because she was afraid he'd be angry. Maybe she's not believable, but their neighbor testified that Matthew (the husband) had threatened to kill his family's dog, for wandering onto Matthew's lawn. Not a nice man. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 11:04 PM |
| 1 | A teenage girl who lied about being raped by a taxi driver should be "named and shamed", her devastated victim said today.When we get to the specific oppressions that are germane to the male/female situation then we see that indeed in the media, family and divorce courts, criminal justice system, men are the oppressed and women are the oppressors. Except you're conveniently forgetting: men are still running the place mainly. The courts? the large majority of judges are men (and older and more traditional to boot). The media? Virtually all of the owners, CEOs, CIOs, probably most of the programming directors, most o… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 12:25 PM |
| 0 | Where have all the real men gone?Yeah, because only one woman ever got raped ever. Not millions a year around the world. Because women in general don't get beat up by men. We're all just imagining it. It isn't a political act, it isn't oppression. because women are not oppressed. They must have all deserved it. Oh and my rage is a typical female response. Feel free to diminish the experiences of half the species. That's not sexism. You're one big motherfucking asshole, frogster. And who said I was defending these quotes? You do… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 12:15 PM |
| -2 | Where have all the real men gone?oh my fucking god. Learn to read. Hint: What's the difference between the two sentences: I feel that man-hating is an honourable and viable political act; and I feel that 'man-hating' is an honourable and viable political act. I'm not actually going to communicate with you any further. You're a troglodyte. I hate you, not men. You wrote: women were never oppressed. Them who the fuck was it who raped me, asswipe? It wasn't a sister, that's for sure. So go fuck yourself. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 10:50 AM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?No, I don't buy it. It isn't part of feminist theory that men should be oppressed. I'm sure there have been excesses, historically, but there always are. And as people become more familiar with the ideas that men are not necessarily the oppressor, but are themselves hurt by a lot of the gender roles/patriarchal framework, this should shift. I'm clear that misogyny and misandry, and sexism against men, women, gays has existed for millennium. I think the two liberation struggles go hand in hand. I… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 03:31 AM |
| 0 | Where have all the real men gone?Hi pn6, You're right, we don't have enough details. I was working on the note that she claimed the pregnancy was accidental. Birth control does fail. Oral contraception fails 2% of the time (even when the doctor administers it as a 3 month dose). You might have read the same paragraph and assumed she was lying (it says he sued, but doesn't say whether the suit was successful). I was also going with: they were living together, she simply didn't want to marry him at the time (a lot of people need … | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 03:22 AM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?Isn't asking how many men want to be the primary caregivers a lot like asking how many women want to be electrical engineers? You completely misread my point. I'm trying to distinguish between people here who are honestly against men's oppression, versus the misogynists (edit: sorry, I don't actually use that term lightly. Some of you, however, have told me right out that you feel women are inferior, or that women don't matter.) here who want the old tired gender roles back. Kathleen Parker (the… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 01:55 AM |
| 0 | Where have all the real men gone?Sorry, I didn't make my point clearer when I wrote "Part of my confusion is tied to the lack of a strong model of men raising children by themselves with the mother abdicating care." I am not AGAINST men raising kids, I know a number of single dads and I support them so don't you dare call me prejudiced!! I meant that our culture lacks the model of women giving their babies and all financial responsibility to the dad (aside from the occasional surrogate moms, but that, again, is different, as th… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 01:11 AM |
| 2 | Where have all the real men gone?Huh.... I read the first story. HE kicked her out of their joint living arrangement (she didn't marry him because she believed he did not love her) and then HE attempts to sue her because their daughter was born into a "broken home". Sorry, but what an asshole. He was the one who broke the home, quite literally. pn6, yes, women can rape men, but it is actually a fairly rare event (especially once men reach their majority). Men rape women in far higher numbers (please don't trot out the report th… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 01:03 AM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?Why, I certainly would, pn6. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 12:52 AM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?I don't agree that marriage is a promise to bear children. A marriage (mine at least) is a promise to work out issues, disagreements, to attempt to keep loving the person (and as long as issues are worked on, this is usually a fairly normal reaction). There are a number of reasons a woman might not want a pregnancy, including her desire to continue a career path (and why isn't this valid?), her desire to avoid health complications that she had with previous pregnancies, etc.... I suppose if the … | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 12:44 AM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?Hi Sylvan, I am indeed a woman. And our ideas seem to jibe very closely 8-) By the way, I'd love to be in a world where there wasn't this underlying hostility between men and women (and no, I don't think it's feminism's fault. Women complained about their husbands, oh, back in the 50s, from what I can see in the early sitcoms ;-) This could allow people to actually change their minds later on and choose to become part of their kid's life. Of course, I can understand why there would be resentment… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/08 12:16 AM |
| 1 | The loss of women and children is tragic. Men don't merit a mention.I know! And then in a generation, we all expect you to be able to emote, to communicate your feelings :-/ (that's real madness.) Luckily, it can be unlearned. You guys just have to trust that emoting is a good thing, and will make you feel better, to boot! | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 10:29 AM |
| 1 | A teenage girl who lied about being raped by a taxi driver should be "named and shamed", her devastated victim said today.I agree. Men are currently oppressed in a number of ways. You are completely correct. However, there is a bit of a bias on this group to blame women for all of men's oppression. And there is a likewise a bit of sentiment that gets a lot of air time here that women are somehow not oppressed (or "no longer" oppressed). There is a belief here by some that rapes never happen, that all accusations are false, that men no longer commit crimes against women, that when couples fight, men no longer have t… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 10:22 AM |
| 3 | A teenage girl who lied about being raped by a taxi driver should be "named and shamed", her devastated victim said today.He was falsely accused and hence, falsely arrested. The police assumed the worst and did not get physical evidence (which would be needed in any court case). The complete lack of evidence (unless she actually had been raped - and the difference between consensual and forced sex can be picked up by rape kits) would have cast doubts and he would not have been arrested. I think the police are pretty responsible for his experience as well. By the way, you say "horrible crime" as if a false arrest we… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 10:14 AM |
| -2 | A teenage girl who lied about being raped by a taxi driver should be "named and shamed", her devastated victim said today.I get the sense that very few of you read the actual article and only read Glen Sacks' rendition. First off, let me point out I am not exonerating what she did. However, I question the ability of the police to a certain extent, in this case. The details: the girl was a teen, she was extremely drunk, got a ride in the cab. When she got home she felt vaginal pain, and actually thought she had been raped. By the time the police were on their way, however, she realized it was a false accusation. ""I… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 09:58 AM |
| 5 | Open letter regarding "girl in the window" story: where is her brother, and why is ther no coverage of him?Hi Pn6, I actually think you should re-read the article. Dani didn't have a brother close to her in age. She had two brothers who were born in the late 70s / early 80s (close to when the mother got married). The younger son (of the two) was slow and wasn't potty trained until he was 4. When Dani was rescued, the two (already adult) sons were in the living room. From the lack of mention, it would appear that they were living fairly "normal" (at least integrated) lives. By the way, the question re… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 08:21 AM |
| -5 | Where have all the real men gone?You do know that there really isn't a "men-hating" variety of feminism. That's just the conservative backlash that tells you that to discredit feminism. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 08:04 AM |
| 2 | Where have all the real men gone?Yeah, this is a tricky one. I don't agree that a man should get to say whether a woman carries a child to term, if only because it's her uterus. Similarly, I don't think a woman should get to say whether a man chooses to have surgery or not (if he's capable of making that decision). That said, if a man does not choose the baby, he shouldn't have to pay child support. That's pretty clear (although anti-abortionists would argue that by getting pregnant, both parties have de facto committed themsel… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 07:05 AM |
| -1 | Where have all the real men gone?Arggh... I wish she would separate the pearls from the dross. You cannot have it both ways. Men's oppression is tied deeply to the patriarchy she is extolling, I'm sorry. Men were not happy and healthier being the barking testosterone dogs of yesteryear with no household duties except to brandish the belt. And if you're going to raise femininity back up on its pedestal, then you aren't going to "get any" until you're married and paying your salary to your wifey. No one wants a return to those da… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 06:46 AM |
| 1 | Where have all the real men gone?Indeed. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 06:01 AM |
| 3 | The loss of women and children is tragic. Men don't merit a mention.That makes a lot of sense as an explanation. We're quickly on the road to a different kind of calamity, however and the current framework (competition over cooperation) is looking to result in one of the largest environmental calamities we've yet faced. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 05:42 AM |
| 3 | The loss of women and children is tragic. Men don't merit a mention.The "women and children first" was from an era when women's work was mainly about tending to children and the household. I think a lot of dads would be better placed in the boat with the kids than the moms. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 05:32 AM |
| 2 | The loss of women and children is tragic. Men don't merit a mention.A huge part of men's oppression is the attitude that men are more "disposable". (Until the modern era, combatants in wars were nearly always men. "Women and children first" was a protocol for marine disasters.) I think this attitude is the reason why boy's pain is often ignored; boys are taught to not cry, not show pain, fear, etc. And this shows up in the long term as probably the largest reason for men's shorter lifespan - men don't seek medical attention because they learned that their pain w… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/08 05:28 AM |
| 2 | the average molester of girls will have 50 victims before being caught. The molester of boys - 150 victims.Absolutely. The issue then is to remember that all such acts hurt the child, no matter how intrusive / painful / dangerous, and that the child deserves as much help as he/she needs (and that this need will be individual and as such, won't be based on the abuse type and cannot be known in advance). I really rue that our understanding of mental health and healing is so damn primitive. Given our current system, perpetrators in general remain perpetrators. I have heard of various therapies that can … | /r/MensRights | 03/08/08 04:14 AM |
| 2 | the average molester of girls will have 50 victims before being caught. The molester of boys - 150 victims.And "assault" for that matter. Do you think that the vast difference might be in the acts that are done? I assume that penetration is generally found out about fairly quickly, but that fondling could go on for years before noted, mainly due to the factor of pain or pleasure. From things I've read, in cases where the abuse includes "pleasurable" sensations, there's a lot of confusion and guilt, often preventing the child from speaking out. In the case of painful abuse, the child doesn't speak out… | /r/MensRights | 03/08/08 12:42 AM |
| 1 | It's not just the *radical* feminists. IIIt's good. The opening paragraphs are clearer. Instead of "I see no reason to blame Bill O’Reilley, “liberals” or feminism", did you intend to group Bill O, conservatives or the conservative media? (both in a parallel to the bloggers who are blaming the 3, and later in contrast to radical feminists and rad. feminist broadcasters). You wrote "broodcasters". I assume it was intentional. Cute "typo" if it wasnt :-D (even though I don't agree with you politically, it's still funny :-) By the way, as… | /r/MensRights | 03/08/08 12:12 AM |
| 3 | It's not just the *radical* feminists. IIIt's ironic that a blog promoting boys quotes liberally from an article within an online newsletter promoting men, and complains about a (paid) TV station promoting women. The problem I have with the article (and blog) is that there's really no substance. It's a bit of a shrill polemic playing up men's victimization. It would be useful if, instead, the author pointed to specific pieces which are (as he claims) oppressive towards men. Otherwise it sounds a bit like the complaint, "hey! women are … | /r/MensRights | 02/08/08 08:58 AM |
| 1 | 71% of Children Killed by One Parent are Killed by Their Mothers; 60% of Victims are BoysReally. If you count sacrifice in terms of deaths, I'd say that just about as many women died as men ;-) If you count sacrifice in terms of hours worked, I'd guess that as many labor-hours were performed by women as men. The upper classes probably didn't work (men or women), but the massive numbers of working class people were laboring (some at home, some not). In almost all cultures, the mass amount of work is performed by both men and women. If men die in wars, they merely got an early repriev… | /r/MensRights | 30/07/08 06:51 AM |
| 1 | In Catharine Mackinnon's world – now ours – accused men are symbols of a larger sickness, for which they must pay by forfeiting their rights.Wow. This author is attributing things to Catherine McKinnon that I never knew could be attributed to her. I thought she was an interesting feminist, but certainly not all that mainstream, because of some of here more radical notions (usually about penetration and power). However, this author says that McKinnon is responsible for the (sexual) harassment laws that make it illegal to create a hostile work environment. Well, there are laws in the US that pretty much say that if you're en employer, … | /r/MensRights | 30/07/08 03:17 AM |
| 1 | 71% of Children Killed by One Parent are Killed by Their Mothers; 60% of Victims are BoysWhat's this got to do with feminism? By the way, I'd disagree with your statement. Feminism has accomplished much of what it set out to do: describe how women's lives were limited by the assigned gender roles, lift the limitations, and define women as exactly as human as men have been defined for millennium. | /r/MensRights | 30/07/08 03:09 AM |
| 1 | Pure Male-On-Female Violence Accounts for Only 15% of Cases of Heterosexual Domestic Violence!(in a study on couples between the ages 18-28). I like the guy's work, he raises good points. But for someone who is trying to add some scientific validity to the conversation about these things, he is really bloody unscientific and regularly misses certain points. For instance, 1 in 3 of the injuries perpetrated by men in his study resulted in injury. 1 in 5 of the injuries perpetrated by women did. The study doesn't mention severity. Do we infer from his study that men need shelters as well? o… | /r/MensRights | 30/07/08 02:46 AM |
| 6 | 71% of Children Killed by One Parent are Killed by Their Mothers; 60% of Victims are BoysI don't doubt these numbers. But if you're using "the percentages ... to argue whether, on average, it is fathers or mothers that pose a greater risk of harm to their children", as this author is, you need to calculate in that the number of households run by single moms are still almost five times more than single dads. You need to know that in 2-parent families, the mom is still more likely to be the person providing care (how much more? 5 times? 3 times? I'm not clear). I'd also like to see th… | /r/MensRights | 30/07/08 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Our Most Underserved Students: Active, Smart BoysWomen are responsible for creating the common myths about women Bullshit. References or you're lying. Evidence against your "thesis" (if I can call all those ugly lies that crawl out of your snake mouth "theses". I'm more likely to call them "feces"): Men created most of the written culture for a couple of millennium, ergo, the cultural attitudes are (at least in part, but likely to be largely) due to them. (Second wave) feminism includes masses of women rebelling against those very myths that y… | /r/MensRights | 30/07/08 12:59 AM |
| 1 | Our Most Underserved Students: Active, Smart BoysThe first definition includes that "menial" is lowly and sometimes degrading. If you wanted "unskilled", you should have used "unskilled" unless, again, you are bringing your classism into it. You think men do honorable and professional work, while women are lowly, subservient, inferior. Just 'fess up and get it over with. You're tripping all over yourself trying to prove that somehow you aren't a sexist, but it's bleeding out of you all over. Everything you write is dripping with this arrogance… | /r/MensRights | 30/07/08 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Our Most Underserved Students: Active, Smart BoysBy the way, the word is "manual", not "menial". I was taught, as a child of a father who pulled himself up by the bootstraps, that no work is demeaning. | /r/MensRights | 29/07/08 01:12 PM |
| 1 | Our Most Underserved Students: Active, Smart BoysI didn't answer this point before: They'd rather send men off to die, while they sit at home watching Sex and the City. That's fine. But undertaking risk pays, and playing it safe, not as much. Nah, now you're making the (incorrect) argument that men's oppression is at the hands of women. This specific one, putting men in harm's way, is cultural - both genders do this equally. In fact, it took a lot to get our culture to allow women to do hazardous work. It's only been the last 20 years max in w… | /r/MensRights | 29/07/08 01:08 PM |
| 1 | Our Most Underserved Students: Active, Smart BoysOk, I'll be more specific. These jobs tend to pay low wages (in the US and in Australia - I can't speak for other countries). The original point: the author bemoaned that boys are treated unfairly because (among other factors) elementary school teachers are overwhelmingly female. I posited that childcare, teaching elementary level and other jobs that are associated with "women's work" traditionally do not pay the kind of wages that attract men. Other factors such as holiday schedules support peo… | /r/MensRights | 29/07/08 10:36 AM |
| 1 | Our Most Underserved Students: Active, Smart BoysYou didn't present an argument. I was the one who pointed out: there are a set of jobs that resemble the ones that women once did for free. these jobs are underpaid for the most part there are exceptions to the low wages in the cases where there are skill sets that are attained. You merely labelled this last point "professional", a word I have no problem using. I simply didn't use it. You then implied that men, not women, do jobs professionally. That in fact, these jobs did not pay well, not bec… | /r/MensRights | 29/07/08 10:19 AM |
| 1 | Our Most Underserved Students: Active, Smart BoysSexist crap. You can't even hear it, can you? Thought not. Your balls are interfering with your ears, dude. Better get that checked. By the way, I bet you know nothing about cleaning a house. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/08 06:33 AM |
| 1 | Our Most Underserved Students: Active, Smart BoysI don't get your point. I notes that there are exceptions based on the level of skill of the participants, and yes, I mentioned chefs. And yet some professions don't get paid well at all. Is your implication that these types of professions are underpaid because they don't do their job well? Or are you just being a wanker with an misogynist bent who's all spooging over yourself because wowza men are rad(!!!) and they can do domestic jobs oh so well. Yeah yeah yeah, everything men do they do so we… | /r/MensRights | 27/07/08 11:56 PM |
| 1 | Our Most Underserved Students: Active, Smart BoysYou make some good points (and some of which I didn't include myself because of space). The fact that men who want to teach are frequently regarded as paedophiles these days is also significant. I know this exists (anecdotally). As far as "significant", if you mean statistically significant, I wouldn't think it was, because if any significant number of men actually wanted to teach in the lower grades, I think it would easily happen. It's simply that there are a few men here and there who find th… | /r/MensRights | 25/07/08 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Our Most Underserved Students: Active, Smart BoysA bit simplistic, but basically true. Here's a slightly different analysis. Schools have been underfunded for decades. This puts a burden on teachers to have (over)full classes. An active boy (smart or otherwise) does not get served well at all, from early grades onward due to the stress within a class on behaviour management rather than learning. Boys are poorly served by schools. Boys tend to develop language a little later than girls, and are at a disadvantage in an environment where they're … | /r/MensRights | 24/07/08 07:33 AM |
| 2 | Is Ogling Women a Form of 'Harassment' & 'Abuse'?Lol It sounds like you're careful not to make people uncomfortable. Trust your instincts. On the other hand, looking at people in an interested fashion is the first step in flirting and part of the whole courtship ritual. Do you get women glaring at you, yelling at you or flipping you the bird? No? You're not offending them. Do you get women returning your gaze openly and frankly? No? Maybe you're being too careful :-( If you're actually trying to look at women in order to meet them and maybe as… | /r/MensRights | 23/07/08 07:32 AM |
| 2 | Is Ogling Women a Form of 'Harassment' & 'Abuse'?By definition: An impertinent, flirtatious, amorous or covetous stare; To stare at (someone or something), especially impertinently, flirtatiously, amorously or covetously; To stare at people or things, especially impertinently, flirtatiously, amorously or covetously Mind you, by definition it is completely subjective. ("You were staring at me!" "Lady, I'm blind. I was merely facing west.") But therein lies the rub. If you do an action that makes another person uncomfortable, you are free to con… | /r/MensRights | 23/07/08 04:32 AM |
| 1 | Scottish schools ban Father's Day cards in order to be sensitive to children with single mothers/lesbian parent(s) but have no qualms about Mother's Day.It's hard for me to see you as serious rather than simply trolling. I'm an egalitarian, and I don't care much for work. I'd like to see people work as little as possible, enjoying as much time off as possible. That's why I don't care for the rich. I think if it was all shared equally, there'd be enough to go around. I don't want to give men orders, I don't want to see one gender raised above the other (what you want to do in the bedroom with a consenting adult is fine by me). Cya | /r/MensRights | 23/07/08 04:07 AM |
| 2 | Is Ogling Women a Form of 'Harassment' & 'Abuse'?Do you really not get that there's a difference between looking and ogling? Furthermore, there's a difference between being ogled some place like a major US city where people are able to flip you the bird if they find you annoying, and Egypt, where you're "a whore" if you even look back, much less speak to the ogler? | /r/MensRights | 22/07/08 10:22 AM |
| 4 | Is Ogling Women a Form of 'Harassment' & 'Abuse'?Guys, there's a difference between "looking" and "ogling" (which, by definition, is staring in a certain fashion). And Egypt is a completely different culture, so I'm not sure Westerners can fully determine what's "inappropriate" there or not. Hey, I had a guy in Brooklyn say to me, aggressively, "what are you looking at?!" when I glanced his way. (Granted, he'd dropped something, made some noise and was quite embarrassed and defensive.) However, the point is this: some looks are ok, and some ar… | /r/MensRights | 22/07/08 05:26 AM |
| 7 | She Can Hire a Hit Man to Kill You, but You Still Have to Pay Her AlimonyI like Glenn Sacks. I really like his writing, about 98% of the time, and then some asshole remark slips and and it's just annoying. The way I read the Court's finding is that the couple has a contract that was written to be so binding and inflexible that, in fact, even attempted murder would not break the contract. The contract was "found conscionable" at the time it was crafted. Later events do not make it "unconscionable". Actually, the whole thing is kinda stupid. Frankly, I don't know why t… | /r/MensRights | 22/07/08 04:56 AM |
| 1 | Scottish schools ban Father's Day cards in order to be sensitive to children with single mothers/lesbian parent(s) but have no qualms about Mother's Day.well, errr.... I don't actually get what you were pissed off about in my post tho. It completely supports fathers and men, I thought. Ok, it IS liberal in that it allows for other types of families, but isn't that merely the reflection of what we have? And we want to support the child through whatever mine field they're navigating (although I don't actually think that living in a non-traditional family is necessarily traumatic). Make you a deal: You tell me what you disagree with in my post (why… | /r/MensRights | 22/07/08 02:10 AM |
| 0 | Scottish schools ban Father's Day cards in order to be sensitive to children with single mothers/lesbian parent(s) but have no qualms about Mother's Day.I'm a feminist, because there exist men like you who think that sexually harassing / humiliating women is the way to "put them in line". I support men's liberation, because men like you have been hurt enough to think that jizz is disgusting and humiliating, and that's just sad. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/08 05:43 AM |
| 9 | Scottish schools ban Father's Day cards in order to be sensitive to children with single mothers/lesbian parent(s) but have no qualms about Mother's Day.More than that, it's friggin' stupid. The assumptions behind the "decision" are inane. The reasoning behind it is that "7% of children live in single-parent households", but it assumes: The single-parent isn't a father. The child doesn't have a strong attachment to his/her father living outside the household. The child doesn't have a strong attachment to a grandfather (or uncle or step-dad) who he can craft the card for instead. and finally, 4. The child will clearly be traumatized crafting a ca… | /r/MensRights | 21/07/08 01:41 AM |
| 3 | The ten most common feminist mythsOk, let's talk about this. Let's assume for the present that feminism is the cause of men's oppression, that men were never oppressed before feminism. Men never worked hard long shifts in factories to provide for their families before feminism. Men were never expendable in wars before feminism. Men did not grow up with stifling dehumanizing gender roles (such as boys don't cry. Boys who expose tenderness are fags, sissies, wusses, etc) , before feminism. Men were never laughed at or occasionally… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/08 01:12 AM |
| 1 | Another Rape and murder. Men are scum. Wait, what?In that case, what was your point in posting this article? | /r/MensRights | 14/07/08 06:06 AM |
| 2 | Another Rape and murder. Men are scum. Wait, what?Look, my point was that: you are not clearly making your point. You: Posted a blog that bashed a female journo for being a gender feminist (and hence misandrist). Why? As far as I can see, it was because said journo reported on a crime that had a female perp and yet she did not criticize women or exonerate men (she didn't actually talk about rape or crime stats at all). There was nothing in the article that showed journo was a feminist, a gender feminist (whatever the fuck THAT means, Clearly it… | /r/MensRights | 12/07/08 08:06 AM |
| 0 | Another Rape and murder. Men are scum. Wait, what?Ah, for fuck's sake... let's have yet another strawman article by someone trying to bash "gender feminists" because ... somewhere a female perpetrated a sex crime? This blog, Silly Seattle, writes: What is not covered, not in Seattle’s ideologically oppressed newspapers, nor in the national press, is the fact that domestic and sexual violence are not the sole purview of men. This is not what the gender feminist ideologists would have you believe. Take Nicole Brodeur, the simple minded, gender fe… | /r/MensRights | 11/07/08 09:32 AM |
| 1 | Men are greatWow, he's a great writer, isn't he. I've read some of his works, but not for a while. What you've reposted above brings me to tears. By the late 80's, the anger toward men had become institutionalized. Yeah, this was and still is in effect in places. Hopefully the men's movement(s) will continue to grow. I'm encouraged by bloggers such as Glenn Sacks who unerringly speaks out against men's oppression. I like Farrell's definitions. I like that he uses the word "fear" rather than "disagree" as wel… | /r/MensRights | 09/07/08 05:29 AM |
| 1 | I hire male babysitters - and I love it!Yes. Mainly because they simply model the world - they aren't the world. However, the closer you model the world, that is if you can get all the stats, you're in a better place than having just one. If we had more statistics about child abuse, we would drop this concept of the "male stranger as predator". We'd pretty much realize that abuse was largely familial, or secondarily from caregivers that we trust. We'd have to figure out how to communicate with children much much better. | /r/MensRights | 09/07/08 01:20 AM |
| 1 | Men are greatI do consider myself a "humanist", but it already has a meaning . "Equalist" is silly and requires adding a word. I also use "anti-sexist", which included "feminism", "men's liberation", "gay rights". I like the word "feminism" because I'm interested in liberation of women (not to the exclusion of anyone). However, there are specific ideas and cultural frames that, being a woman, I can think and talk about specifically. While I can think well about men, I don't actually have your experiences. I … | /r/MensRights | 09/07/08 01:11 AM |
| 2 | The ten most common feminist mythsActually, the figures about 1 in 4 women assaulted (throughout their lifetime) did define it as violent rape, but I recall it being based on Justice Dept. Stats. By the way, no one here is defining "all men as rapists", so spouting one study that was contrived doesn't diminish women's experience. I hardly know any women who haven't been assaulted (in my group of confidences). | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 01:07 PM |
| 2 | The ten most common feminist mythsSome of them are quite old, some of them are contrived. It's like the continued attacks on certain overzealous statements by feminists in the past, which may or may not have already been adequately addressed. As long as you can bring it up over and over (without the context that it's already been rejected within the movement), then you can continue to bash feminism over and over and over again. Isn't that the case, <you know who you are> ? Sorry, I'm grumpy. I joined this group 'cause I support … | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 01:01 PM |
| 2 | The ten most common feminist mythsNo way. #1 is bullshit. Multiple studies disagree that this is a myth. Furthermore, only a small percentage of rapes are reported, so the notion that the 1300 reports to campus police is somehow indicative of the actual numbers, is bullshit. (By the way, if a rape happens on campus, women should report it to actual police. Campus police often don't handle rape as a criminal matter.) See some actual statistics here Also, #5: Fact: The National Institutes of Health and drug companies routinely inc… | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 12:56 PM |
| 2 | The ten most common feminist mythsNo way. 1 is bullshit. Multiple studies disagree that this is a myth. Furthermore, only a small percentage of rapes are reported, so the notion that the 1300 reports to campus police is somehow indicative of the actual numbers, is bullshit. (By the way, if a rape happens on campus, women should report it to actual police. Campus police often don't handle rape as a criminal matter.) See some actual statistics here Also, #5: Fact: The National Institutes of Health and drug companies routinely incl… | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 12:56 PM |
| 1 | Men are greatNah, men are great. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 12:33 PM |
| 1 | Men are greatOMFG.... I really agreed with her up until she started with the feminism bashing. Why won't people understand that there is a place in feminism for the liberation of all people? I'm really fucked up by people who think feminism is by definition about promoting females to the detriment of men. Say it together: no one is free until we're all free. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 12:32 PM |
| 1 | Whoopsies! I lied about being raped, but I didn't mean for you to STAB the guy, daddy!Actually, not a tough position. Some people don't actually take a knife and go vigilante, even to protect one's kid. In this case, it isn't even protection, it's pure revenge. I agree with not questioning your daughter though. But that's why you let the police do the questioning (and the rape kit). | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 06:28 AM |
| 1 | When almost one-quarter of single men in their prime courting years declare a Marriage Strike, we’re facing an unprecedented social crisis.Men have other reasons to resist the romantic urge. Domestic violence laws allow vindictive women to kick hubby out of the house based on the flimsiest of pretexts. Hopefully not on the pretext that violence happened that didn't actually occur. And if violence did happen, why is she 'vindictive' if she kicks him out? | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 06:24 AM |
| 1 | Feminism is about revenge, not equality.It's not about revenge, it is about equality, this article is completely contrived. One has to take these incidents case by case. For instance, women's only fitness centers make sense when both-sex gymnasiums impede women from being involved in fitness. And they do - many women are nervous about using a mixed fitness center in part because of the differences in women and men's culture: due to unfamiliarity with gym equipment, we might be scared of using the equipment wrong, we might be scared of… | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 06:03 AM |
| 1 | Androphobia: The only respectable bigotry The mythology of male brutishnessUpmodded for the quote: "Similarly, I regard androphobia as the Feminism of imbeciles." Hear, hear! By the way, I don't actually think that any of his "suppressed facts about maleness" are suppressed. And on the other hand, the story of men's exorbitant greatness (yes it was) points out the lack of opportunities for women throughout history. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 05:13 AM |
| 1 | Androphobia: The only respectable bigotry The mythology of male brutishnessI'd agree. In fact, I've heard people say that anti-fat bigotry was the only remaining acceptable bigotry today. (Clearly there are at least two. Although both are gaining awareness.) | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 05:13 AM |
| 2 | I hire male babysitters - and I love it!I want to be respectful of your opinion, but, well, to be honest, it isn't exactly true. Look, the statistic that abuses are more likely to be at the hands of women is probably correct (no reason to doubt it at all), but women do the lion's share of child care. It's like the statistic that trains are much safer than cars: it's only true until you consider that cars do hundreds of times more mileage than trains. Mile for mile, trains are actually as dangerous. Hour for hour, women and men.... abu… | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 04:56 AM |
| 2 | Husbands: Why is it so hard to talk to them and get them to do what you want?Yeah, that's possibly true since the women's movement. No longer cool to show women as complete airheads. Showing women (though not wives, somehow) as overzealous sexpots is still accepted, but that's the subject for another thread. Looking forward to a day when men (all colors, too, please) are respected. Viva men's liberation. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 04:33 AM |
| 1 | Are we teaching our kids to be fearful of men?That actually sucks, I wish abuse was more like a "one time only" random scenario I spelled out earlier. It's more likely to be your experience though: a known and supposedly trusted person in your life over a period of time, who abuses more than once, more than one victim. And as you show, even with the tools and confidence to report abuse, it isn't always handled correctly. Here's hoping that because abuse is much more widely talked about and no longer denied these days, that there is a better… | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 04:22 AM |
| 2 | Are we teaching our kids to be fearful of men?I'm not trying to avoid blame, and I'm very clear that women are abusers as well as men. You know nothing about me. Just saying that the breakdown of "66% of abuse is performed by women" has to be within the context of a percentage of care taking events, so we can even talk about what's going on. I'm more of a mathematician and the numbers have to be reflective of the reality. It would also be good to know the number of incidents of care taking vs number of abuse events. (And sorry about the lan… | /r/MensRights | 08/07/08 02:03 AM |
| 1 | Are we teaching our kids to be fearful of men?Ironically, if women perform abuse children through "neglect", it's often because they're the only care-giver (who isn't giving enough care). Also, if women commit about 2/3 of the abuses of children, yet perform 20 times the amount of carecare, the numbers shift back radically (which is why I keep trying to determine the breakdown in terms of hours of caregiving. Haven't found that number anywhere though). | /r/MensRights | 07/07/08 03:39 AM |
| 3 | Female sexual predators awarenessThat's a really good point. One of the myths that oppress men is that they always want it and they're always ready. Of course, we can discuss for hours whether chosen sexual experiences at age 16 with your hot young teacher is abuse or not. However, the real damage is abuse of children, none of whom are "ready" or who choose it. | /r/MensRights | 07/07/08 03:27 AM |
| 1 | Boy‑bashing, good, clean fun, damaging to self‑esteem, or does it promote violence?Ironically, some of the harshest critics of Sacks' campaign have been men It's not ironic, the shirts are anti-male and the criticism "chin up, be a man" is how anti-male oppression's always worked, even before it had a name. (By the way, blaming feminism for it is misguided. Men aren't oppressed by women/feminists qua women/feminists. The oppression is societal.) | /r/MensRights | 07/07/08 03:14 AM |
| 1 | "We … created the women’s movement, and we promote it. And it’s not about equal opportunity. It’s designed to get both parents out of the home and into the workforce, where they will pay taxes."Straw man straw man straw man straw man. What a load of bollocks. Second wave feminism is now about 40 years old. During that time there have been excesses. Yes, many feminists in academia philosophize about what role gender plays in all aspects of our lives. (What's wrong with this inquiry, again?) As far as Yates' diatribe against "radical" feminists, yes, there were some anti-pornography feminists (Dworkin, McKinnon) who posited that pornography teaches violence against women and that the bas… | /r/MensRights | 07/07/08 02:47 AM |
| 1 | Are we teaching our kids to be fearful of men?I'm not surprised, but how does this break down when compared to the number of hours of caretaking? | /r/MensRights | 06/07/08 01:05 AM |
| 1 | Husbands: Why is it so hard to talk to them and get them to do what you want?Nah, I was kinda agreeing with whitey4Obama, part of a thread starting at 110110110. | /r/MensRights | 05/07/08 04:36 PM |
| 8 | Husbands: Why is it so hard to talk to them and get them to do what you want?By the way, I'm questioning why people do post this kind of article so often? We know there are insane stupid people around who think poorly of men (or individual men). For every TV show about the ditzy wife, there's one about the incompetent husband. It's been going on for eternity, probably. But why rub your noses in it tho? The opposite side of the coin is that there are millions of stories appreciating and commending men. Why not post the good stuff and ignore the crap? It's hurtful shit. | /r/MensRights | 05/07/08 01:50 PM |
| 3 | Husbands: Why is it so hard to talk to them and get them to do what you want?When I ask my husband for something he doesn't want to do, he says no. And I'm happy with that: I don't want to force anything on him. That's not a marriage. I grew up in a manipulative household. I refuse to spend my adult life in one. It's a shame that you feel you need to "do it wrong", ll0ll0ll0. What if you just told her the truth? | /r/MensRights | 05/07/08 01:38 PM |
| 1 | STOP the presses! A woman who was sentenced to jail is depressed!Yawn Sorry, another article whinging about women's supposed whinging. So how exactly are these women the oppressors? Because it sure sounds like you (the blogger) feel oppressed by them.... By the way, a bit more context is that Schapelle Corby has always alleged her innocence, and much of Australia believes her to be innocent. So this case (and she might be guilty for all I know) is really about feeling compassion about a wronged woman, rather than feeling bad about a guilty woman (which the au… | /r/MensRights | 04/07/08 03:18 PM |
| 8 | Women's attention is a complete gift: "most men should perhaps feel lucky that women still show as much interest in them as they do and want their companionship. "Ok, I agree with you on so many levels and disagree on several. Diclaimer: I am a feminist, I'm a progressive, I'm a humanist. My feminism is about losing these stupid gender roles that cripple us and the sexism that treats people (men, women, gays) as less than full human. To this end, I actively support men's rights. I agree men are oppressed, I don't agree that it's at the hands of women, I think it's societal - although I'm sure there are men who are oppressed by women. That said, of COURSE … | /r/MensRights | 04/07/08 04:04 AM |
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