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Women harm men by proxy; and "that doesn't count."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:03 PM
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Reframing narcissistic behavior as normal self-care doesn't make it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:48 PM
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You wrote a lot of nothing. He gave up his license so he could provide online services rather than become licensed in every state. Also, I'm not advertising his services. There's plenty of other licensed therapists and psychiatrists that are discussing the same thing. https://muckrack.com/podcast/psychobabble/episodes/8989868-74-how-to-recognize-female-narcissism/ https://youtu.be/0OxEsWupS3M?t=406
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:37 PM
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That's not true. He was a practicing therapist for many years before moving into private coaching. There's also many other psychologists noting and studying the same things. You can choose to keep your eyes closed though...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:27 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th-CeQLM2Po https://np.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:01 AM
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"centering" is psychobabble, and is juxtaposed against a marginal assumption that men somehow live primarily themselves when married with children -- which is severely myopic. Yes, you need to care for yourself or you cannot care for anyone else. Yet, using words like "centering" to disguise vapid self-centeredness and selfishness doesn't make it so. Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:45 PM
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You're literally describing narcissistic behavior and calling it something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:30 PM
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No. It's pretty dire. At 40, I'm opting out. I'm tired of being used and not being treated equitably. A lot of women lack empathy for the male experience because they don't take the time to step back and understand the humanity of men. Note: I don't want sympathy. I think sympathy is fundamentally destructive and sets up power structures in relationships that should be co-equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 08:34 PM
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John Steinbeck writes about similar behavior in Cannery Row. There seems to be something about a man sleeping...
/r/MensRights06/02/26 07:10 PM
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No. It's their wallet. Control your spending.
/r/MensRights06/02/26 03:02 AM
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Sex needs to be a focal point of the human brain for evolution to operate. It's not some socially programmed thing. Try taking some testosterone for a day and see how you feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 07:11 AM
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I wouldn't overthink it too much. The dynamic exists regardless of who created it. The fact that it can exist is a consequence of how reality operates -- plan accordingly. The traditional masculinity role is no longer of any benefit to a man. There is no payoff in most circumstances, unless you hit the lottery and find a really good wife.
/r/MensRights01/02/26 11:27 PM
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They like to claim they're "punching up" because of "the patriarchy."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:21 PM
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Just saw this on his blog as well. Here's the full post: https://substack.com/home/post/p-185695383 This seems absolutely insane to me. And, the way in which a department would be operated that's over 50% women does not seem good. I don't trust it.
/r/MensRights28/01/26 03:01 AM
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It hurts way more than feelings. Misandric women occupy all kinds of positions of power and have pushed all kinds of ridiculous policies that directly harm men, and in particular white men.
/r/MensRights27/01/26 04:53 PM
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The point is gendered. And since it's not a gendered issue, it's an invalid point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:01 AM
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I believe that your lived experiences are valid. At the same time, I'm not, nor have I ever been one of the kind of men you describe. My experience with women roughly mirror what you're describing of your experiences with men. I'm routinely treated unjustifiably poorly. It leaves me wanting to treat women like you're describing, but my morals and character continue to get in the way. If that's ever brought up, it's justified by how men treat women overall. What other men have done to women does …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:55 AM
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I really loved "Barbie." lmao. I am kenough. I found it to be an excellent exposé on feminist thought. They had to literally kidnap all the women and brainwash them in order to restore "order" in Barbieland. My house is a mojo dojo casa house.
/r/MensRights26/01/26 07:41 AM
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Mods remove posts that actually involve any kind of real activity. Most Men's Rights groups have been infiltrated.
/r/MensRights25/01/26 04:38 AM
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Men lack Asabiyyah. But there are also external forces that prevent men from creating any kind of solidarity. I posted about this exact thing earlier today, and the mods of this sub removed the post with no explanation....
/r/MensRights25/01/26 04:37 AM
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Thank you. Happens way more than people care to admit. I married a woman like that. Thankfully, I snapped and left one day.
/r/MensRights25/01/26 04:36 AM
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Thank you.
/r/MensRights25/01/26 04:34 AM
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Sure, so go to that. This isn't about renting out rooms.
/r/MensRights25/01/26 03:24 AM
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No, I'm only looking for 6 men. And, if someone is actually interested, I'm happy to go over the cost breakdown. I'm not making some extravagant sum of money off this. It would be barely breaking even after food, cleaning, and utilities. The house is intended to go into a non-profit long term and setup an organization to help young men. It's fairly close to the UC Berkeley campus as well.
/r/MensRights25/01/26 02:41 AM
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You can critique if you want, but at least use correct numbers. It's not $12000. How are you getting $12000? The total is $9000. it's an expensive area, includes food for 7 people, and there's also other expenses to actually pay for in order to accomplish group goals.
/r/MensRights24/01/26 11:11 PM
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Thanks, yes to all that. I had one person come to stay with me a few months back, and he ordered a brick of cocaine to my house off the darkweb and started cutting it up my kitchen table without my permission. I had been very explicit with him that drugs weren't okay. I don't know what the fuck was going through his head. I got rid of him fairly quickly.
/r/MensRights24/01/26 10:09 PM
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I agree with everything you said. Thanks for articulating all that. You made some points I hadn't thought of explicitly. And yeah, optics are tough in the present climate. However, I do believe that men need to get over that and support each other to move the overton window to a more reasonable location. The alternative is a continuously worsening environment for men overall.
/r/MensRights24/01/26 10:07 PM
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I'll do that. Hopefully, some other men who have been in a fraternity will step up and help me. My current plan is to just clearly communicate the house rules in the lease, and give warning a few times prior to an eviction. California tenant laws are pretty annoying; except in the case of owner occupied buildings -- which this is.
/r/MensRights24/01/26 09:13 PM
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Yeah, you're right. I've rented rooms for a long time without any particular goal in that process. I've also lived in group homes during college. It becomes pretty clear when people can't follow basic rules like "be awake during the day and sleep at night." I want this to be fairly flexible aside from rules that are necessary for maintaining social order and respecting each other's personal needs/sleep. I don't know what will work best, or specifically what kind of action we should engage in. Bu…
/r/MensRights24/01/26 08:55 PM
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Thanks! Yeah, it is kind of intended to be kind of a fraternity -- but I want to remain flexible and as people join we can figure it out. I don't really approve of hazing though. I do think there's a lot of community work to be done in this area that we should participate in. There's tons of homelessness and public property destruction. And, I do think there could be an element of running a podcast or something like that. And yes, I'm taking applications via DM. I haven't made a specific applica…
/r/MensRights24/01/26 08:01 PM
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People site the suicide statistic often. It's not as if suicide is something that just happens to a man. There's a huge confluence of small things that motivate a man to end his own life. Those factors are kind of ignored and swept into that statistic.
/r/MensRights24/01/26 06:11 AM
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Most of what you said isn't true. Almost every male/female relationship for most of history has been based around some form of financial exchange. And, case in point: https://np.reddit.com/r/BasedCampPod/comments/1qk7ere/this_was_the_woman_chosen_to_be_a_girlfriend_or/ Most escorts are not particularly attractive, at least to me. Somehow they make it work. Also, the point does not make much difference if the "average" woman cannot do it. The fact that it is possible reflects a sexual power imbal…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:07 AM
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Who is acting violent? Where is this non-sequitur coming from?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:16 AM
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You spout random assertions constantly that have no real basis in any kind of psychology. They're just your opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:06 AM
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Or perhaps Autistic males are treated worse than autistic females for the same reason that males -- in general -- are treated worse than females in general...? Women receive better treatment because they are women and can potentially give birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:05 AM
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I hope they do this. Lawsuits need to start being filed. This nonsense is completely unacceptable and has ruined two generations of potential.
/r/MensRights21/01/26 08:28 PM
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The biggest issue is the lack of serious punishment for infidelity. Everything else is downstream of that. John 8:11 is a satanic addition, and should not be included in the bible. We're living through an environment created by 2000 years of a legal system constructed on a lie.
/r/MensRights20/01/26 11:05 PM
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Not true. You can easily verify what I said from better sources. And, anyone who has had sex or masturbated knows that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:18 PM
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Because they have a vagina, and men are willing to tolerate a lot of nonsense in order to be able to get access to that.
/r/MensRights20/01/26 01:33 AM
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It's so stupid. Oxytocin and other important hormones are not released when someone jerks off. This stuff is important for male mental health in many people. It's rare that a person does well and doesn't experience sex regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:04 PM
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His dick becomes erect whenever he's around her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:31 AM
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It's not unimportant, since you're unlikely to find a man that can really take care of you financially by himself. But, yes, a fair number of women do that instead of work/save.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:19 AM
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We're not talking about the same thing. They're fighting "for" Men's Rights, they're not fighting to build a community.
/r/MensRights19/01/26 12:05 AM
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Most women who are out opining on gendered issues have not spent the time to really seriously engage with the lived experience of the average man. That ends up with most of what modern "feminists" are on about seem really self-centered and petty. Feminism has a lot of demands for men and how men behave. But, from a place that shows no empathy for the male condition. It's totally reasonable for men to want women, who are making demands, to at least understand the conditions of the person who the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 09:22 PM
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Are you familiar with social critical mass? Most people aren't thinking for themselves. What you need is about 12 people who are dedicated to the effort. It'll spread if you can create that. But, we don't have a group of 12 people who are engaged in the proper actions to create a counter narrative.
/r/MensRights18/01/26 09:13 PM
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That sounds like blatant retaliation. You should continue to talk to lawyers. The only way this stops is if people sue.
/r/MensRights10/01/26 02:44 PM
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There's a lot more to this than just socialization. And, for most of human history dating was nothing like this. Men are giving up. We're likely to go extinct if something doesn't change.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:54 AM
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Yeah, I definitely hear that from them that they think that. I was upfront with on the first date with a woman, who I'm now friends with. And she basically told me that. The thing is that there's room for discussion about what that entails. Yeah, she's going to have to do a lot of the work if I'm working 60 hour weeks to pay for a lifestyle. That's just the way things have to be with my profession. My hope was to earn enough before becoming a father that I could FIRE and be a stay at home dad. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:52 AM
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I do want to adopt at some point. However, I firmly believe that a child's own father should be in their life; and I am not going to spend my hard earned money on another man's abandoned child until I first have my own. Likewise, trying to raise a child as a single man, is not something that I would want to put the child through. You kind of need to find a woman who wants to do that also. Nearly every woman I have dated has not wanted to have children. The number of men who want children is far …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:33 AM
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Yeah. The touch grass responses are a joke. The attitude is all over the place. Most women are fine, but the minority who are misandrists are very dangerous to be around -- and it's nearly impossible to avoid them.
/r/MensRights10/01/26 06:17 AM
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Unless it's being a dad... In which case, people will lecture me nonstop about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:12 AM
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It's heading towards genocide, but not in the way you might think.
/r/MensRights10/01/26 02:19 AM
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They dislike men because they have been psychologically primed to dislike men. This is not the natural state of women; and is a direct result of the rhetoric being deployed by individuals with sociopathic tendencies. Read this if you can spare an hour: https://shablag.substack.com/p/when-identity-is-assigned
/r/MensRights09/01/26 11:19 PM
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Don't even get me started. Many women I've been with have consistently retconned interactions as soon as I've put my foot down in relationships.
/r/MensRights09/01/26 10:57 PM
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It's all such bullshit. I've dated up to 14 years younger, and 10 years older before. There's some problems in these relationships, but usually due to a lack of humility on the part of the younger person -- and an inability to impart wisdom regarding experiences the younger person has not yet had. When I was younger, I wasn't aware she was so much older or I might have listened more closely to what she was trying to express. My advice to women, if they want a good life, would be to date a man 6 …
/r/MensRights09/01/26 10:56 PM
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I think it has been sloganized, and that contributes some to the problem. However, this sort of behavior existed quite prominently before social media. Women socially reinforce it in their cliques and sororities. I mean, just look at this: https://www.centreformalepsychology.com/male-psychology-magazine-listings/invisible-man-my-experience-as-a-male-trainee-clinical-psychologist-in-a-female-dominated-system
/r/MensRights09/01/26 04:31 PM
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Your response seems to function to excuse the behavior -- which I personally disagree with. I think that people need to push back on this vapid egoism.
/r/MensRights09/01/26 03:59 PM
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For the women I'm talking about, it's about jerking off their own ego in the instances they have power. It's disgusting, and a sad consequence of our culture. It's not unique to women, nor is it historically how women have responded. It's cultural.
/r/MensRights09/01/26 03:38 PM
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I guess we should all just shoot ourselves since we're not going to have a grand legacy. There's no point. All hope is lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:35 PM
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No. I've been proposed to several times. Although, when I say proposal it was more like some sort of ultimatum. Had they just asked, they would have gotten what they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:24 AM
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I don't care at all about money. I have worked my butt off trying to save money for a family and children. My personal hopes and dreams, assuming that family is off the table, was to write which wouldn't make nearly as much as what I do. I very much dislike my job, but it is a sacrifice that I was willing to make in order to have family. Sadly, that family has never appeared -- and much of the money was spent on things women wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:14 AM
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In some sense, but the alternative is more destructive to his legacy. Evolution and all... This is a take that seems to think that humans are not animals. It's a bit silly to complain about the male of the species pursuing women and trying to procreate. It's not as if that impulse can just be switched off if you were born with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:12 AM
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Of course they do. Women treat an approach with severe revulsion in many cases. A few instances of that and you learn not to do it. There are polite ways of rejecting people, but many women get off on being cruel. I kind of appreciate it, because I know that I didn't miss out on anything when they do that.
/r/MensRights08/01/26 11:56 PM
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There's r/PurplePillDebate But, this post might be enlightening.
/r/MensRights08/01/26 03:48 PM
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Not at all surprised. This kind of thing needs to have a stop put to it. Women go on and on about misogyny, but I'm never witnessed anything remotely like this happening to a woman. This is the kind of stuff that drives misogyny in the first place. Genuinely, the people who do this are trash. It should not be taken to heart. Quite frankly, women should not be allowed in positions of moderation.
/r/MensRights08/01/26 12:08 PM
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Sadly, you're going to be as successful as female NBA players.
/r/MensRights08/01/26 11:45 AM
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People should not be deluded. This kind of rhetoric is genocidal scapegoating.
/r/MensRights08/01/26 11:27 AM
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Does the boy get the privilege of paying child support for 18 years too?
/r/MensRights08/01/26 10:18 AM
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Wish it were true.
/r/MensRights08/01/26 09:22 AM
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It's not just counterproductive. It's genocidal linguistics.
/r/MensRights08/01/26 09:17 AM
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Here's an AI summary for those interested: Modern institutions increasingly assign identity categories to individuals and treat those categories as morally and politically authoritative, overriding personal history and lived experience. Demographic identity has shifted from a descriptive tool into a moral abstraction used to infer guilt, virtue, or power at the group level rather than the individual level. Statistical disparities are widely assumed to be proof of discrimination, bypassing empiri…
/r/MensRights08/01/26 08:46 AM
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Yes, but only rhetorically. Thankfully, none of them ever tried to actually do anything legally.
/r/MensRights08/01/26 08:40 AM
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Well that brings things together in a different way...
/r/MensRights08/01/26 07:51 AM
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I guessed your age based on the restraint of your opinions, that you were sick, and owned a business. Good on you for being a 30 year old with more restraint in your views. I don't think it's innate to women, but I do think that lack of empathy for the opposite gender is innate. Most people do not understand the experiences of the opposite gender. However, I think that women have very little incentive to step outside their bubble compared to men. And, that the hatred and abuse of men is increasi…
/r/MensRights08/01/26 05:00 AM
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That was my point...
/r/MensRights08/01/26 03:19 AM
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I'm not the person you are responding to, but given the length of your response on my post, I'd like to respond. I agree mostly with you. However, even regarding women that don't hate men, their capacity for empathy regarding the male condition is usually quite limited. Society, in general, gives less negative -- corrective -- feedback to women. This has yielded some pretty interested experiences in my life that have nothing to do with chronically online women. Generally, I see women lying to ge…
/r/MensRights08/01/26 03:18 AM
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Friend, I'm not the one arguing the position.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 07:06 PM
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I don't expect to get feminists to relent. I expect to get men to unify. Send me a DM, let's talk more.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 06:47 PM
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I don't think it's that. I think it was articulated well, in a palatable way, with clear evidence, and in the right moment to capture a zeitgeist. It broke open the conversation to a wider audience. And, I think you get what I'm saying about the importance of the language that people choose to use. We do not need to, and should not, frame the movement in opposition to anything. Doing that necessitates the continuation of the thing being opposed. I don't want it to continue, I want to be treated …
/r/MensRights07/01/26 05:11 PM
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I don't know if systemic is the right word, but yeah. I think it's normalized and that a lot of people express it. It shows up in all kinds of institutions because of the individuals who are in positions of power within those institutions.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 05:07 PM
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The irony of this take...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 04:53 PM
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She just makes up points to argue with. She's clearly got problems with men in general. Most are completely unfounded bait. The mod's should have banned this person long ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 04:52 PM
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Always telling how people rat on themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 04:50 PM
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You got space?
/r/MensRights07/01/26 04:41 PM
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I wasn't agreeing with the sentiment, I was just explaining the rationalization provided.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 04:40 PM
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You've ascribed beliefs to me that I don't have.. You're missing the point, and mostly talking to yourself.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 03:23 PM
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I guess we'll see. There haven't been any millennial males really standing up on this issue. You have gen X and boomers talking about things they don't truly understand.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 03:08 PM
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If you used the definition of misogyny as women use it, it's everywhere...
/r/MensRights07/01/26 02:57 PM
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Have you seen the kind of responses that even Jordan Peterson of all people previously got. Or what happened to Bret Weinstein?
/r/MensRights07/01/26 02:54 PM
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I'm not suggesting that. I explicitly reject talk. Lawsuits do matter. Imposing real costs on corporations will change things.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 02:53 PM
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Didn't I say that it needs to be changed from outside? Didn't I say that the time for talk is over?
/r/MensRights07/01/26 02:50 PM
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The conversation has to be started in order for funding to be secured for someone to become a champion.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 02:49 PM
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I agree. We need to fund specific people to take the heat, and guarantee their livelihoods.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 02:48 PM
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Primarily professional risk, and lack of financing, but I'm quickly thinking that doesn't matter. It's hard to want to risk your future job prospects when financing isn't already secured.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 01:30 PM
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There are real risks to poking your head up on these issues. You're being naive.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 01:29 PM
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I hear you, I'm working on some of this feedback.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 01:27 PM
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And what is being accomplished? Is there a National Organization for Men that is taken seriously that I'm not aware of?
/r/MensRights07/01/26 01:25 PM
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Well, you don't have to be. But what do you want to accomplish? Turnabout is fair play, but it also tacitly approves of the tactics, and will just further them. Do you believe that men can wrest control back and enforce their will? There is a reason why it is useful to remain innocent.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 01:24 PM
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Bleh. Women want it both ways. They'll just cuck a rich man while paying for their fbs dinner.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 08:09 AM
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No sane man is going to ruin their financial prospects to take a job earning 28K a year to organize in the way you're suggesting. The women doing it are being financially irresponsible and don't have the pressure on them to be "economically viable" partners.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 08:03 AM
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Because there are privileges and benefits to others are derived from a narrative that any white men organizing are necessarily expressing Nazism, Fascism, and White Supremacy in an effort to subdue others.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 07:47 AM
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There is no evidence that women are more empathetic. They are slightly more adept at reading facial expressions. There's actually evidence that men are more empathetic, and better able to control their emotions.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 07:32 AM
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Bravo, excellent article, but I don't think it's going far enough.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 06:57 AM
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lmao. Pushing forward absurd arguments is funny, but will have no practical impact.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 06:47 AM
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I don't disagree, but collectively we have enough money to put forth the truth and make a difference.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 06:40 AM
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That would indeed work; if it were possible. How do you expect men to afford to live? Are you giving up on having a legacy? Do we get to have children? This manifesting any real change is unlikely. Society will just import compliant men from the rest of the world. This course of action just seems like going off to die in a corner -- and many of the people involved on the other side of this dispute would love that to happen. I refuse to give them their desire.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 06:19 AM
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I believe women faced real historical constraints, but I reject inherited guilt and the idea that this was a coordinated oppression by “men” as a class. For most of history, sex roles were shaped by biology, reproduction, and survival—especially before birth control—not ideology. Men were also oppressed in different ways, particularly through disposability, forced labor, and legal obligations without protection. I reject turning history into a hierarchy of suffering. We can acknowledge past inju…
/r/MensRights07/01/26 06:17 AM
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I love the unnecessary quotes.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 05:45 AM
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As a 40 year old man, I can say that there's a lot of things you could bring to his life. Doing life alone isn't easy, even if you're wealthy.
/r/RedPillWomen05/01/26 07:18 AM
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I feel that dude. I was mostly an only child. I have one sister who is a decade older than me and mostly moved away when I was 10 years old.
/r/MensRights02/01/26 01:49 AM
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Agreed. It's most often directed at autistic guys who are likely to be the least dangerous of all men. It's downright despicable to be perfectly honest. Clearly, awkward men with no friends need to be socially ostracized more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 12:37 PM
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I've slept with two dozen women over the last 20 years. I wouldn't say I'm a "slut" since 20 years is a long time, and most of that was spent with just a few of those women. Every single one was ethical on my part. And, on the contrary to common narratives, some of those women did the very same things you're talking about to me as a man, and for very unethical reasons. I don't think being a male slut is something to aspire to, but it's still quite a bit more difficult than showing up at the glor…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 11:58 AM
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Shaming people who have an irrational fear of something seems wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:34 AM
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Yeah, it give the impression that men were evil oppressors and therefore it's justified to hurt and torment today.
/r/MensRights30/12/25 11:18 PM
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Is being in the workforce really allowing women to find meaning and purpose? I don't think that the core group of feminists ever had good intentions from what I've read on the origin. It's actively harmful to women, and everyone else. I'm very glad that the physical standards for the military are now the same for both genders. Good riddance to most of the women in the military.
/r/MensRights30/12/25 11:17 PM
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Indeed. Everything is backwards. I was raised the same way, but the real world doesn't jive with what's claimed if you actually have two eyes and two ears. The mainstream narratives are gaslighting on a society wide scale and crazy-making. It benefits female supremacists to keep the narrative going.
/r/MensRights30/12/25 11:03 PM
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How's that different than what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:34 PM
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I totally get it. I had this exact thing happen me. A woman I rejected literally chased me from a restaurant where we were having dinner all the way to my apartment complex. I swiped in, and made sure she couldn't get the door open, and then went into my apartment unsure what to do. She called in a domestic violence dispute to my apartment -- it took them less than 5 minutes to show up with a full SWAT team with rifles to come and try to arrest me. I fully cooperated, but I was scared shitless. …
/r/MensRights27/12/25 03:32 AM
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More stuff that enables bad female behavior. This kind of stuff needs to stop being normalized. Either ban both or allow free speech.
/r/MensRights27/12/25 03:27 AM
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You're doing the exact thing she's talking about. Here's just quickly asking ChatGPT about it. There is some research showing that tattoos are more common in certain psychiatric and personality-disordered populations than in the general public, but it’s important to be precise about what that actually means. In the general population today (at least in Western countries), roughly 25–35% of adults have at least one tattoo, with higher rates in younger cohorts. Tattoos have become mainstream, so s…
/r/MensRights27/12/25 03:00 AM
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If people default to "non-exclusive" after having had sex, then there's no moral obligation for the person who is non-exclusive to inform anyone of what's really going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:02 AM
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ASD, BPD, and NPD are around 10% of people when combined. And they are extreme forms of attachment disorders. And, 60% of people have attachment disorders. The treatment for attachment disorders, and PDs are both DBT.
/r/MensRights27/12/25 02:01 AM
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Yeah, I mean, there's basically no reason to distinguish. There's some minor differences between them, but the core symptoms overlap strongly.
/r/MensRights27/12/25 01:59 AM
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Fine, and in any case, I don't believe she has a cluster B disorder or that the female psychologist in the video was implying that she does. It was just an example of self-righteous indignation that BPD people have unjustifiably.
/r/MensRights27/12/25 01:26 AM
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Yeah, a lot of people are conflating the two in this thread. I'm not talking about people with Bipolar at all -- I may even have bipolar type 2. Medication works reasonably well for bipolar disorder. BPD is an entirely different beast, but people confuse the cycles of idealization and devaluation for manic swings. And yes, you can have both. I feel terrible for those people. I have a lot of empathy for the people that struggle with personality disorders. I don't believe they're "monsters." But, …
/r/MensRights27/12/25 01:23 AM
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Holy shit, what? How does that even work? I'd say, be careful not to conflate Bipolar with BPD though. A lot of people think they're the same, and the symptoms are very different. Bipolar can pretty much be treated with anticonvulstants like Lithium, depakote, lamotrigine, etc. It's theorized that it's a form of seizures in the emotional centers of the brain. Borderline is characterized by severe and persistent thinking errors that lead to self-deception, and splitting which results in cycles of…
/r/MensRights27/12/25 01:20 AM
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Nobody is saying that because someone has a tattoo that they have a mental disorder. What the person in the video said is that it is a singular piece of evidence of self harm. That isn't enough to diagnose someone. But, if they have purple hair, and visible tattoos, with gauges, a nose ring, and routinely blacks out drug or high... There's something clearly not right with that person. I know people that have all of those things who are completely fine now, but they hit bottom. And, a lot of them…
/r/MensRights27/12/25 01:16 AM
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Informed consent would have that if the other party is sleeping with multiple people that they inform you that you may be getting exposed to STDs. Defining a relationship if you're the person who wants to be monogamous is going to have zero impact on dishonest individuals. Don't give cheaters and liars and out of properly informing their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:11 AM
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Sure, but what morals? Parading around in a private yacht to protest things she doesn't understand? She isn't by any means consistent with her ethics, it's just whatever the hot topic is in the moment.
/r/MensRights27/12/25 01:09 AM
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After the amount of damage people with PDs have done to my life, I don't care. Feeling shame is a personal choice.
/r/MensRights27/12/25 01:07 AM
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Yup. Been there, done that. I've dated maybe like 10 people over the years, and 3 of them had Cluster B disorders. Absolute nightmare, and no accountability whatsoever. The things that were done, and the fallout thereof, makes me not even want to date. People treat it like what these women do are "minor infractions." I've learned that I definitely have some of those same thought patterns, so I'm not without empathy for it. Poor boundaries were what was allowing these women to take advantage of m…
/r/MensRights27/12/25 01:06 AM
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That is not true. It is a combination of genetic susceptibility with a poor childhood environment.
/r/MensRights27/12/25 12:55 AM
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(1) I'm making a distinction between learning and training. You can train anyone to do anything, but learning doesn't mean much. Go read a book on kung fu and tell me how you do in a fight... Learning things does not result in new conditioning. (2) C-PTSD is not from an event. Thus the "complex" part. It is the result of repeated abuse. It is a form of negative training that becomes conditioned. (3) I have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 04:01 PM
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I'd mostly agree with you excepting the fact that I was myself a victim of pretty severe childhood abuse, and I have some kind of autism spectrum disorder or learning disability. Cluster B personality disorders are learned behavior with a genetic predisposition. If you take a child born to BPD parents, who has the environmental predisposition, and give it to a pair of securely attached people, and it will develop normally. I do blame the parents to the extent that that's meaningful. The disorder…
/r/MensRights26/12/25 03:58 PM
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Sadly, not an uncommon story. I've had similar experiences multiple times. One woman called in a false DV dispute at my apartment me because I rejected her and wouldn't do what she wanted, and she wasn't in my apartment. The police figured out what was going on... Thankfully, I maintain pretty safe boundaries with women for a long time so they were never able to do any significant damage.
/r/MensRights26/12/25 03:54 PM
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If they truly have BPD, you're likely just not close enough -- or they really don't have BPD and just a minor attachment disorder. I have friends that have BPD, but I've learned to keep proper boundaries with them because of the damage that other individuals have done in the past.
/r/MensRights26/12/25 03:50 PM
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It's also important to note that BPD isn't a permanent disorder. Yeah, it has a genetic component, but you can unlearn the learned portion. It is a set of destructive coping patterns and life skills that are triggered by unhealthy patterns of thinking. These can all be fixed if someone is willing to stop gaslighting themselves. If he's been with her for 12 years, she doesn't have symptoms severe enough to qualify for BPD anymore.
/r/MensRights26/12/25 03:46 PM
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It's closer to 10% of people. It's not 1-4%. And if you include the lesser forms of attachment disorders, relationships are going to fail around 60% of the time overall. Nobody is saying tattoos are a sole indicator of the disorder; but they are -- as she said -- one indication of self-harming behavior. Which would be relevant if the person is also a hobosexual that can't keep their life together or hold down a job. And, I frankly do not trust that most personality disorders in women are diagnos…
/r/MensRights26/12/25 03:40 PM
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Possibly. However, there's a strong correlation between self harm and tattoos. Tattoos are fairly painful to get. It's worth considering as a piece of evidence when there are also other manifestations. And Greta Thundberg clearly has some kind of disorder. It is very well known that she has some form of autism spectrum disorder, and her behavior is definitely indicative of some kind of narcissism. Although, that may be mostly pushed by her parents.
/r/MensRights26/12/25 11:32 AM
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Absolute, nonsense. Quit trying to brainwash people with polyamorous propaganda. Human beings are very much a pair bonding species on average. There is tons of evidence of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:20 AM
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They can't speak directly to men because straight white men are the boogyman that the party unites around. How are you going to include the very populous that you're using as a political scapegoat? It won't work. Men are always going to push back against scapegoating. People would be better off blaming Jesus for all the sins of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:14 AM
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I would be very careful with this. If you want to approach the issue at all, it would be to humanize men to her. Women have a strong tendency to overgeneralize sociopathic men as being characteristic of masculinity itself. If you can get her past that thought error, you might have some success. However, you're in dangerous territory dude. If she believes that men are fundamentally flawed, and you happen to be a man, where will her sense of justice and morality take her when the two of you have a…
/r/MensRights26/12/25 10:43 AM
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I very much support you and what you're doing. I've considered writing more myself, and speaking out more. Sadly, I do worry about my own future were I to do so. I have several partially written pieces I eventually intend to publish publicly once I'm sure I've framed them in such a way as to be beyond reproach. You would be in danger of being economically cut off if you were discovered, but not successful enough to making a living with your writing. I think the article "men need to show up" is v…
/r/MensRights26/12/25 09:36 AM
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You seem to be confusing "diabetes insipidus" for gestational diabates. Here's from ChatGPT about gestational diabetes. Yes. Having prediabetes before pregnancy does increase the likelihood of developing gestational diabetes (GDM). Here’s how it fits together: Why prediabetes raises the risk Prediabetes = existing insulin resistance. Pregnancy naturally causes insulin resistance (due to placental hormones). If you already start pregnancy insulin-resistant, the added strain makes it easier to cro…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 11:44 PM
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So, the way I interpret this phrase is to imply that saying things like "Yes dear" is a good course of action for a relationship. In reality, giving in to every demand just leads to more demands and abuse. Once you're aware of this fact, standing up for yourself becomes easy.
/r/MensRights25/12/25 11:41 PM
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I fully understand. And, u/One_Caterpillar6562 didn't respond to you either. You came out of nowhere to play the blame game as if it proved some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:35 PM
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Define "the issue." I'm talking about the fact that you made an excuse for people having children out of wedlock.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:11 PM
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Degenerate behavior is largely an impulse control problem. It is an executive function disorder. And, It comes from several things: Genetics. C-PTSD and associated trauma responses. Lack of appropriate training in childhood. Educating people rarely has any impact on this. Knowing facts does not make people better. As someone who grew up with literal holes in my shoes, I have tried help many many people over the years. That's not to say that people cannot be redeemed, but I've only ever seen it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:09 PM
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Do you seen your mindset here? Why do you need to make actions about "wrongness" and "blame?" That's you. All I said is that a lot of health related problems from pregnancy are lifestyle choices. You cannot address real problems when everything has to focus around who did what wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:05 PM
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The single mothers decided to sleep with a man before they vetted him. 100% this is what happens. Saying that vetting doesn't work 100% doesn't change the fact that people are largely not vetting at all in any meaningful capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:02 PM
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And if you have already stressed your organs to the max... what happens when you put additional stress on them?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:01 PM
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Sure, and none of that changes the point I was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:00 PM
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A lot of birth control was invented in the 1940s and early 1950s, but the specific timeframe isn't important that what I was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:55 PM
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Nobody is saying that pregnancy is risk free. Everything has some risk to it. First pregnancy was a girl, and the second one a boy? Drinking milk and eating correctly will definitely stop autocannibalism -- which what most of the long term bad effects are from.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:53 PM
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You're wrong. Being prediabetic from eating like shit for 30 years, and being 50 lbs overweight at 5'0", definitely can result in gestational diabetes -- and people like you refuse to tell my sister the truth so she's slowly killing herself thinking coke is fine. Go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:50 PM
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It wouldn't life actually be nice if life actually worked that way more? Life isn't so simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:47 PM
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Sure. Yet, is it possible for you to imagine that poverty is often caused by degenerate behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:46 AM
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We just have no idea where misogyny comes from really. Guys must just be born hating women. It's certainly nothing to do with how women engage in debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:44 AM
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I disagree. In many cases, the parent that left was basically forced to abandon their child. In my life I'm aware of zero "deadbeat dads" who don't want more to do with their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:32 AM
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Speaking as someone who grew up in a very poor family and has not committed any crimes -- it has next to nothing to do with income. Fathers provide very valuable direction assuming they're upstanding themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:28 AM
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Yeah, it starts becoming very difficult to vet people once you've already slept with them. Yet another reason why people should be dating more responsibly, and for calm gentle love rather than butterflies and excitement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:24 AM
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I know you can write a better post than this. What's the real issue you're lamenting? This seems very incoherent and talking about two unrelated things. I want empathy and understanding from my partner; not sympathy. There's a big difference there. I don't want to be mothered by my partner -- but I would like them to understand the things I go through so I can get the requisite space. Men do not want sympathy -- it is disempowering.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:18 AM
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Not sure why this is a RedPill question... but... Plenty of people stay healthy through pregnancy. It's about taking care of yourself. If you're eating poorly and being lazy while pregnant, it's going to cause a lot of problems. But, it doesn't have to destroy a woman's body -- in fact there may be health benefits through fetal microchimerism. There's some evidence that women who have been pregnant live longer. My sister has had 4 children, and her body is all kinds of fucked up -- but it wasn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:12 AM
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70 years? When was reliable and easy birth control first invented and made available?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:04 AM
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Why didn't you marry said virgin since you took the effort to deflower her and make her unmarriageable by your logic? That's a scummy thing to do. Also, why are you sleeping around when it harms your ability to pair bond? It may harm men less, but it's not as if it does no harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 04:13 AM
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That's not particularly relevant to it having a large genetic component. There are good reasons to believe that maternal compulsion is genetic, and there's also good reasons to assume that the magnitude of that compulsion is also genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 04:09 AM
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Why wouldn't you think maternal instincts are genetic? They're instincts. Humans can override them to some extent because we also have higher executive functions, but they're still there. A lot of temperament is also genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:40 AM
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I do believe that many women do not want children. For eons, women have basically had no choice in having children or not. It didn't really matter if they wanted them -- it was going to happen. For the last 80 years, this has ceased being true. Women who don't want children, don't have to have children. I think that this is overall a good thing. People who don't want children, shouldn't have them -- they just become a target for abuse. I don't think this state will persist for very long. I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:26 PM
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That's why it's so difficult to stop it. If you have standing, you won't find out. And, if you are a straight white man, you were probably a victim of it without knowing.
/r/MensRights22/12/25 05:58 AM
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I've seen this happen many many times. Thankfully, my field was highly technical and primarily hired for on passing tests. I've seen, and been directly told, that candidates I have interviewed were not extended offers because of their race and gender.
/r/MensRights22/12/25 05:47 AM
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Yeah. It's goofy. People really don't understand the second order effects well at all. There's literally no good reason to marry and invest in such a relationship anymore. The rest of us are being held hostage by the minority of people with personality disorders who are afraid of what will happen if the law starts holding them accountable for their actions.
/r/MensRights21/12/25 05:16 AM
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Good. Nobody should be required to marry, but if you do marry, you should not be easily able to get out of upholding your vows.
/r/MensRights21/12/25 04:36 AM
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You're getting a better understanding of why men commit suicide in the first place. I would never encourage anyone to commit suicide, but I don't think it's "selfish" or that most men don't have very good reasons for doing so. People should not have an obligation to participate in systems which treat them terribly. And, it's not "Patriarchy" which is doing this.
/r/MensRights21/12/25 12:35 AM
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A significant portion of women benefit economically from their vaginas regardless of if they're upfront about their fee structures.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 12:11 AM
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Exogenously raising testosterone levels inhibits the production of luteinizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone. Those are what cause the production of sperm. The reason it hasn't become mainstream is because it also causes testicular atrophy if used long term. The "birth control" aspect of this is just raising the levels sufficiently enough to inhibit the production of sperm, without actually building a ton of muscle.
/r/MensRights21/12/25 12:09 AM
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It's more than just how women are enculturated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBgcjtE0xrE
/r/MensRights21/12/25 12:06 AM
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Whatever happened to Karen? She was an amazing light in the world. Is she still making videos?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:46 PM
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Calling someone a simp can be misandry, but I doubt it often is. Simply put, a simp is a man who puts women before principles and truth. It's not about treating them "well" it's about pandering to them, and indulging things women say which are ultimately destructive to themselves and others. EDIT: Here's an example of a simp: https://np.reddit.com/r/BasedCampPod/comments/1prrpbj/according_to_women_on_reddit_if_youre_not_exactly/ Almost everything this dude says is false, and there are studies to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:42 PM
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I don't think it's immature. I hope this trend continues and that women begin to understand what men go through all the time. She can go up to other people and talk to them -- just like men -- if she's so worried about it. What's immature is posting a video of it on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:40 PM
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I think everyone should be forgiven of any past sins presuming they have demonstrated repentance. Every time I have forgiven someone who has not demonstrated repentance, they have just done more of that thing again. What is repentance? Coming to an understanding of the consequences on themselves, and others, of their actions, and choosing not to do that in the future no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:37 PM
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Sadly, this is probably true. After my sister's first son was a few years old, she broke down in tears and apologized to me for all the stuff that I had gone through from our mom and her.
/r/MensRights20/12/25 10:39 PM
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It's shaming tactics that women try to use to control the herd.
/r/MensRights20/12/25 03:58 AM
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I was wondering how long it would take this to show up on reddit. This piece will surely be scrubbed from most subreddits. EDIT: If there's any rich men reading, please DM me. There are a few companies I would like to sue for personal damages and know I was discriminated against. In order for this to stop, there needs to be real legal wins that come from individuals against these organizations.
/r/MensRights19/12/25 04:23 AM
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I've thought about running a site like this, but with defamation and slander laws it puts whoever runs it at quite a lot of risk. It's sure to be abused by false accusers themselves on some level. As soon as that starts happening, it puts the owner of the site in legal jeopardy.
/r/MensRights19/12/25 04:19 AM
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"Everything I don't agree with is fascism." If it were about justice, we'd have a criminal justice system based on an eye-for-an-eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:06 AM
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That's literally what all imprisonments are for. You don't seem to know what fascist even means.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:34 AM
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Take solace in the fact that at least your mother loves you. Mine wanted to give me up for adoption and made sure to tell me that regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 08:12 PM
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Oh good, they can identify them and start abusing them sooner. Surely, this will result in these boys feeling more positively about women. Nevermind that misogyny is usually something that women teach to boys.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 12:28 AM
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And you'll get the, "but men do it also." As if that has anything to do with the observed frequency of occurrence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:25 AM
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Women seem to have this viewpoint that whenever something wrong happens, all parties need to be partially responsible for that happening. Kind of true. But like, "I cheated because you weren't paying attention to me for too long" is what men see as an excuse. The real hack is that both people need to stop seeing things from a perspective of who is to blame and how do we make sure this doesn't happen again. As soon as you start trying to root cause problems, a lot of people seem to go into blame-…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:23 AM
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Watch the interview with Jordan Peterson where the interviewer tries to stuff positions in his mouth that he doesn't have. It's certainly something that men do. But, it's a categorically female -coded behavior. Liberals do this stuff constantly. Conservative: I don't think we should have welfare because .... Liberals: So you hate poor people and want them all to starve?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:13 PM
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Women are geared towards protecting children, not men. Men are geared towards protecting the mother of their children, and their children. When men have no children to protect, that instinct finds other outlets.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:30 PM
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So you're saying... that men can't understand women's arguments? /s Yes, I've seen this all over the place. I assume that the particular individuals are triggered by the implications that something might have in other areas. Usually, when it occurs it's some extreme variation of what's being said. It does seem to happen more frequently with women on this forum. It's highly obnoxious, and I generally stop responding to people who do that after a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:25 PM
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No, but it is why significantly less women are "homeless."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:59 PM
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There's at least some people giving it attention because of that. Scott Galloway explicitly calls out that he's started engaging on the topic because of that. I am concerned about it simply because I am worried about other men. I don't really know how to help them. The women I know that are similarly drug addicted or whatever always manage to find some dude to shack up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:25 PM
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Yes do what you're saying, but not to Matriarchy. I see many comments talking about a Matriarchy would be better. I'm laughing at these comments. Because a Matriarchy would also mean that women have work dangerous and dirty jobs too. They would need to be drafted too. They would need more responsibilities. It's very clear what Matriarchy would be. Men would be kept around to do the same stuff they do now. There'd be some subset of men that were viable breeders, and the rest would be kept as salv…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:18 PM
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Sure. Men who are unconstrained by any kind of responsibility to other people cause problems. As the old adage goes, "If the boys are not welcomed by the village, they will burn it down to feel some warmth." But, what's the point of your post? Wonder are wonderful? Yes, there are lots of ways that women are great and wonderful. There's also a lot of ways in which men are great and wonderful. The world needs both sets of characteristics, and a man typically needs a woman to moor them. And, as oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:02 PM
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Yes. Thanks for sharing your experience; but it doesn't really mean much. I get 1-2 likes a day if I'm actively using the apps. Most of the women are overweight or aren't otherwise attractive to me -- so I don't match with them. I'm relatively fit, and eating right is important to me. If I do match, I still have the same experience -- but only with less frequency so failure is more of a problem. They still expect the same level of entertainment and engagement from me if not more. I've gotten bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:54 PM
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I have left many times. And I'm also telling you, knowing the details of friend's lives, that it is not very tenable for them to leave or kick her out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:12 PM
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A lot of it was technological changes; and people not really appropriately adapting as a group. Headphones, dating apps, people not going out as much anymore, the economy being really tough.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:27 AM
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We're well beyond the point of conversation. Those people are ideologically possessed and will not change their mind anyways. What needs to be happening is disempowering them. I mean specifically the women with personality disorders. While they shouldn't be put in jail, they should probably be in mental institutions. Instead we have BPD/NPD/ASPD women walking around free to abuse.
/r/MensRights17/12/25 03:35 AM
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Every male in Canada should change their gender to female in protest. It's not like it has any practical impact aside from bullshit like this.
/r/MensRights17/12/25 03:34 AM
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Yeah, I mean, women were at a pretty severe power disadvantage in relationships historically if their partner was abusive. All these people need to be taught that win-win outcomes are always better than win-lose outcomes. But, if someone has the power to abuse, and they are so inclined to do so, there's not much to bring them to the negotiating table.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:02 AM
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You're also neglecting the fact that something like 60% of women are going to be problematic. There's simply not enough securely attached women around, and nobody is really encouraging people to work on these things broadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:58 AM
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it’s incredibly easy to make a woman genuinely happy This is entirely untrue. Happiness is a choice that individuals make. And, if you spend your time trying to make someone else happy, you're inadvertently positively reinforcing their unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:57 AM
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So you can pay $4000 a month to the woman for years for the privilege of being alone? Some of these guys are likely not in situations where it's tenable to leave. And, abuse typically does not start until it becomes very difficult to leave the situation. If you stand up to the woman, you can easily end up in a worse situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:54 AM
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Yes, sir. This is primarily due to the legal and social situation of men now as a result of so-called "equality." But, you will notice, that anything that gives men any kind of negotiating power in relationships is opposed very strongly by feminists -- even if it has no direct result on women's rights. I do believe that a good portion of women are not like this. However, the ones that are now have basically complete leverage and you are at the goodwill of your partner. I have seen the exact situ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:51 AM
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Feminism did emerge earlier, during the Georgian era’s so called “first sexual revolution” in England There's multiple other examples in history that failed miserably as well. It also completely busts the idea of "The Patriarchy" and that women were generally oppressed by men. A lot of feminism rests on grass-is-greener ideology, and the sad reality, that people cannot really try both possible paths individually to compare. consequence free promiscuity The illusion of consequence free promiscuit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:18 AM
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Who's blaming women regarding this? All the posts I've seen about this have been from women who feel the need to opine on this. Largely, they feel the need to post and act like these men are social lepers out of their own doing and deserving of the life experience that they have. It seems like preemptive defensiveness to me. Spreading that is harmful. Tons of things in society that historically use to support men's wellbeing are basically dysfunctional or non-existent now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:05 AM
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Yes, I realize that now. However, the charges would have been for trespassing, as she only entered lobby area of the apartment building -- which tons of people do mistakenly all the time. I didn't feel like I should ruin someone else's background checks for life. She wasn't doing very well in life already. But, in retrospect that would have been a good warning to everyone else.
/r/MensRights17/12/25 12:41 AM
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Good question. There's so many jumping off points from ending up in the situation I am in now. Most of my decisions were well meaning and seemed fine at the time. I didn't have a good mentor because of my origin story. My dad is a deadbeat and generally gave me poor advice. I never have been able to find an older male mentor that had had actually done the things I wanted to do. I probably would have cut my family off completely sooner and changed my phone# and email. I would have done significan…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:29 AM
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It serves a few purposes historically. One is that you don't necessarily know the other person's financial capabilities. If you want them to come with you, money shouldn't be an issue. It saves the invited party from embarrassment if they cannot afford to come. In dating, it signals ability to provide It leaves open the door for the development of a reciprocal relationship in a way that going Dutch, or otherwise, does not. It leaves a non-specific debt. You wait for them to invite you out to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:09 AM
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I'll buy her some Louis Baton shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:22 AM
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As soon as there's a verbal demand of any sort on the first date, I'm already a nope. Don't care how pretty she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:20 AM
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That's a very simplistic way of looking at the dynamics that go on in places like San Francisco. People have all kinds of weird expectations. Pilates girl who's after finance bro in New York is not accepting coffee dates unless she's only looking for a hookup from that guy. While some of those women may be engaging a dual mating strategy of some sort, most are not. There's all kinds of factors that effect what women are willing to accept or not when it comes to a first date off an app. The infor…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:17 AM
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She can do whatever she wants, but why encourage dishonest behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:53 AM
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I pay for dates since I'm the one doing the inviting out. But, people aren't taught any etiquette or follow any of it anymore. A fair bit of paying for dates is "honest signaling" that you could provide as a partner. But, this also presumed that Stacy wasn't stringing along 5 guys at once. In the age of "rosters" and "plates" everything is basically broken if you're trying to find a life partner. I'm over paying for dates when the majority of people don't have shared intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:12 AM
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There's two causes here. One is that RP influencers are overwhelming probably NPD. There's a number of reasons to infer that. Also, status is effective at getting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:35 AM
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I highly doubt any man thinks that any man thinks they can be replaced by a dildo. When I read this post and my mind immediately goes to many other threads I've read in the past from women. Just last in a post on r/sex, a woman posted about how her and her bf were doing something similar to this, but with the added fantasy that she was fucking another dude. The guy had a fantasy with being cucked. The GF was complaining she had developed an obsession with the idea of actually sleeping with other…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:25 AM
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Dude, just pay for all her things, and let her fuck other dudes. What's the problem, bruh? Are you insecure?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:58 AM
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Plus, there's other options that aren't so... directly pointing out your insufficiency... Like WeVibes and Magic Wands.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:56 AM
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Are women not people? There is a stronger tendency for men to do that for women and children. Other men are expected to fully take care of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 04:04 AM
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If you want to take it that way, that's up to you. I see the tendency of men to look out for and protect other people in a positive way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:43 AM
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We don't really know what every individual woman thought, and they probably don't fully know either given the speed of response required. But, it seems like we agree that women were not thinking about the situations in the way that the questioner intended. Bear are cute furry animals and on the surface don't seem very menacing. Now, regarding this: another day of heinous male bullshit I'm sure that this is an experience that women have. I have heard plenty of stories of absolutely heinous things…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:42 AM
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The male birth control pill is basically just steroids. You can get jacked today.
/r/MensRights16/12/25 01:28 AM
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Rough. Thanks for being an example for other men. There's a book called "When I say no, I feel guilty" that might help you with her.
/r/MensRights16/12/25 01:27 AM
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Men do not have bodily autonomy. And, if it's only $500 a month for the next 18 years, he should thank his lucky stars, pay it, and move on.
/r/MensRights16/12/25 01:25 AM
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No, it is not. Pedestalizing a woman is a totally different thing. That is not seeing a woman's individual humanity and flaws, and instead as a manifestation of a "divine feminine." Men do this when they don't have much experience interacting with women. What I am talking about is the male urge to protect women. If I see a homeless woman, I'm much more likely to give a woman $20 and go on about my day because I perceive her to be at much more risk to experience being raped and abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:16 AM
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Sure, because how else do you really know it's a woman? But, that does not imply that women are getting more lenient sentences because of the nature of their behavior with respect to a crime. It could very well be their behavior in the court room. I have helped numerous women over the years in ways I would not generally help a man. A know that a lot of guys do this. Some of it was because I was hoping they would date me, other times it was because I felt an urge to protect. I never feel like pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:19 AM
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I understand what you're saying. But, Joe the Plumber use to be part of the Elk's club, or the Rotary club, and engage in all kinds of community-building activities. He could do that because he had a family that supported him emotionally -- so he had an abundance of love to give to others. Joe the Plumber was a president in his own way. Now, Joe the Plumber drinks on the weekends or does meth because he's alone and feels horrible about himself because nobody seems to care about him outside of hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:10 AM
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I agree that I don't think women are being irrational. But, my take on that is simply because women in general are basically ignorant about bears. You are not making rational decisions if you have poor information. We had this post like last week, and there was like one woman who demonstrated understanding of bears. Like yes, if it were a black bear and I was a woman, I'd prefer to run into the black bear. The reel didn't specify type of bear. I presume women thought of a teddybear. However, as …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:46 PM
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lmao. I mostly agree with you, but you kinda do seem to look down on women. Just own it. Don't pull your punches, or at least don't condescend to them. You can't be like "To put it in a way that you as a woman can understand" and then also expect "I don't look down on women for it" to mean much to someone. Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:42 PM
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Indeed. However, the term misandrist isn't even accepted as something real or that exists. There is a disparity here. Not to mention that TwoX is one of the largest subs on reddit, and TheRedPill is quarantined, MGTOW was deleted, and whatever the incel sub name's was is also gone. Blue Pillers have provably been abusing the moderation systems in most places to censor any kind of dissenting content.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:31 PM
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No, single mom's get ire for a bunch of reasons. Many of them chose to bring a child into the world in an unstable environment. That is a form of abuse right out of the gate. With that said, there's a good number of single mothers that did everything in their power to not be single mothers. You cannot really know without fully understanding their particular life story. However, with how common it is, women are clearly not learning. All this access to birth control and they still choose to have c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:26 PM
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There are indeed many things worse than this. Although, I suspect you are not meaning to be absolutist. Unfortunately, that means there can't really be a ton of debate on what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:22 PM
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You've made some assumptions here about the studies which by my understanding are not correct. But, even still, it's not a conspiracy. It's reasonably explained by the Women are Wonderful effect, and doesn't require any coordination between judges. Thus, not qualifying for the term conspiracy. Likewise, many other disparities in outcomes in society can be explained purely from internal biological drives, without there being any coordination. Some should attempt to be corrected, some should not. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:20 PM
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I was somewhat with you regarding mens ideals until you said "doesn't push or challenge." One of the main reasons to have a wife is to have someone to help you stay in check so you can become a man that is universally admired. That isn't really possible for men without a partner. This is part of why the present situation is somewhat disastrous. Women want the already formed person, but will generally speaking not participate in helping a man get there. A man does not have the time and space to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:59 PM
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The "sexual marketplace" is sabotaging itself. Both sides were operating in a situation of information asymmetry and making false assumptions about the opposite gender's options and motives. That is largely no longer the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:52 PM
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I had a female stalker, or something (not quite sure what to call her), that attacked me on the street outside my apartment after we had a meal. She had done this because I had told her I wasn't willing to date her. She didn't hurt me, but knew what was going on. So, I literally ran away at top speed to lock myself in my apartment. She called the cops at some point because an entire fully geared up SWAT team was at my house within 5 minutes. I was extremely confused. Once they figured out what r…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 02:58 PM
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I've witnessed almost a decade of what men on this sub mean, and couldn't give less of a fuck about your gaslighting and strawmanning of things you haven't even seen. That is her claim to evidence. My claim to evidence is my lived experience of my own internal machinations as a man. What makes you say that PurplePillDebate is not her primary evidence given what I quoted? Not only that, but she immediately launched into accusing me of lying. There's no debating with someone who accuses you of tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:12 PM
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"You don’t see whoring yourself as denigrating?" is a very pointed question. Surely, there's better ways to ask what you want to know?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:03 PM
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What are you talking about? There's literally multiple insults as responses that you can go read for yourself. Or, how about
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:33 PM
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How is it a deflection unless there's something I am being criticized for? I cannot deflect a criticism that doesn't exist. Or do you think she was criticizing me in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:31 PM
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My original response to this was to try to clarify what men mean when they make the general statement "women don't take accountability." And, look at how I was met. It turns out there's quite a lot of research about this precise thing. Taking accountability means to acknowledge a problem and commit to fixing it -- without any regard for anything anyone else might have done. There's no equivalent trope regarding men not taking accountability because men tend to withdrawal and not respond at all. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:26 PM
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There was no established topic in my response there. So, it's not an example of deflecting. There's no clear criticism or ask of me. Her comment is just a sarcastic unrelated remark. My primary source of my feedback is not "this sub." It is an example. And as it turns out, there's tons of research about it. Go look into: Gottman’s lab studies of marital conflict Canary & Spitzberg’s work on conflict styles Christensen & Heavey on demand-withdraw patterns
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:20 PM
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What are you talking about? Nobody is trying to get women to take accountability in the abstract. When men say "women don't take accountability" they are talking about women in relationships with their partners. And, it turns out, I went and looked. There's tons of research into this. I was right to say that the trope is misunderstood the way that men express it. This is from the following research: Gottman’s lab studies of marital conflict Canary & Spitzberg’s work on conflict styles Christense…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:14 PM
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I'm not invoking the sub as the primary source of my evidence -- while she is. And, it turns out that there are studies into exactly what I was talking about. It is in fact a gendered phenomenon. According to AI summaries of research In heterosexual relationships, women are more likely than men to use verbal defensive strategies (especially justification and reaction-based framing) that delay or prevent unilateral responsibility, which men experience — accurately — as deflection This is from Got…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:10 PM
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It is a gendered issue. After a number of other women demanded to see the studies on it. The Gottman institute and other organizations have done a lot of research into it. Men and women do not have the same kinds of responses to criticism in a relationship on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:04 PM
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Sure, and why is that? Does that not actually happen? There aren't men that do that stuff, or historically did that stuff? I'm not going to try to pretend that it doesn't, or that women do that as well. This isn't some rare phenomenon. I've personally experienced this with the majority of the women I've dated, and it's also a common complaint of my male friends about their partners. Men are trained to agree with women no matter what and keep the peace. And, despite what women are claiming and mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:52 PM
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wtf does this have to do with anything???? Starting this list off with basically “I have a small dick and I’m shit in bed so I don’t want the experienced girl with 10+ bodies” is the epitome of insecurity. Or, how about It’s an incel take.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:49 AM
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They thing is that they were always that way. Most men were just oblivious, and women use to prioritize things beyond aesthetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:49 AM
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She asked a literal question in her post. I asked if she was serious about the question, and answered it. When people say "men can't have preferences" what they mean is that any expression in communication of those preferences is shamed or mocked. They do not literally mean that men are not allowed to choose mates based on preferences and have boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:45 AM
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Sure. But, then why is it a cultural trope that women do it, but not men? Like why do videos like this show up on my instagram feed? https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJuX8LRSppi/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:41 AM
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I gave you an example of men having a reasonable preference being insulted and ridiculed. It has everything to do with your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:39 AM
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Certainly, you have. There is a tendency for people to do this. Everyone has a tendency to get defensive. As to if it is a fair assessment, that would depend on what frequency have you heard this from men. I take fair to mean accurate in this context. The point is that this is a universal experience that men attest to with women in all of their relationships with romantic partners. We joke about it constantly. "Happy wife, happy life." and "Yes, dear" and "Nothing is ever her fault." It's such a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:33 AM
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Nonsense. Someone made a post about why it would be insecure for a man to have a preference on body count in askanything yesterday. One woman responded about "Why would anyone care?" after giving her life story. I responded with about 5 different very reasonable points a man wouldn't be insecure for caring. She responded by calling my dick small. Here's the exchange, for your consumption: https://np.reddit.com/r/askanything/comments/1plghzw/comment/ntsqnp0/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:18 AM
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Stop pretending that you do not understand what "abandon parental care" means. That is the right women have. Safe haven and abortion are specific manifestations of the right. And also, not meaningfully accessible to men. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:10 AM
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Just because men weren't aware of the beauty standards for men didn't mean they didn't exist. I was well aware of them prior to OkCupid publishing its statistics -- that's why I started lifting. Anyone with the slightest observational power would have been aware based on how women behaved. The problem is not in knowing the beauty standards exist. In fact, that's a good thing, at least then they can strive to become what a mate might want -- assuming they want a mate. There's no "payback" or retr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:09 AM
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So you want additional legal rights for men to compensate for women’s equal legal right to access these services? No. I am arguing that men deserve the same rights. That right being the right to abandon their responsibility of parental care. The rights your child possesses to parental care from you are not mitigated by your feelings towards the child’s mother. We've already established that through abortion, and other mechanisms, that children really do not have a right to parental care. So invo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:38 AM
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It's not unequal legal obstacles. In order to use Safe Haven laws you need to be in physical possession of the child within a relatively short period of time after birth -- in most states. How is that going to happen? He's not the one giving birth. That means that a woman would somehow have to turn over full legal custody of the child to the father within a few days of childbirth. And, then he would have to also choose to surrender the child. And frankly, I can't imagine any father wanting to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:03 AM
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Thank you, and I appreciate how you have engaged with me. Also, I totally get that tendency, and I also myself can get defensive about broad statements regarding men at times if I feel they're not true. This is part of why men typically are only willing to admit certain things to other men far from earshot of any woman. I would say that, as a man in male only spaces, I try to provide some reasonableness to certain beliefs and ideologies that I view as very toxic. As a man, I'm in a position to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 09:55 AM
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Thank you for asking. I am not friends with many of them anymore because of how they responded. Their primary response was to be upset about the various ways I could not be there for them anymore. My roommates had to move out, and were more upset about that than the overall problem. They tried to demand money from me as if it was my responsibility to cover transitional housing for them after a flash flood. I've moved a number of times over the years for work, and so a fair number of my friends l…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 09:54 AM
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Well, I may have a distorted view of history. I wasn't there. But, to me, implementing a paper abortion simply reverts the status quo back to similar to what it has been for eons. That is to say, where men could walk away at any given moment without negative consequences to them other than social ones. The impact of that was basically that women wouldn't have sex with men unless there was substantial courtship periods and evidence of ability to provide support, and a real contract involved. Sinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 08:37 AM
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The current topic is mens assertion (true or not) that women tend to avoid accountability. Instead, people begin talking about how men avoid accountability. That is a different topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 08:17 AM
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Thank you. It means a lot to me that a woman acknowledged what I had to say without some kind of dismissive response. This is a deeply emotional topic for me. I have really wanted to be a father. I have chosen not to because of the way things are, and what I have seen my friends and family go through. I may have gotten to be a dad if the laws were different. I was married for three years from 18-21 to a woman with BPD. I tried my hardest to stay with her. I gave her everything including the pets…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 08:15 AM
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I don't expect anyone to do that, and of course you are not obligated to do so. However, isn't it a little bit telling that none of the responses demonstrate any kind of acceptance for male beliefs -- even if they are wrong. Or that those beliefs could be reasonable? Accountability doesn't mean being culpable, or even being responsible to fix something that isn't "yours." Yet, you cannot have accountability without acceptance because it is a prerequisite to accountability when receiving feedback…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:55 AM
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What are you doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:11 AM
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What is my IQ? Where have I talked about my IQ? I said I had a degree in physics on one post and talked about IQ distributions. The fact that you need to bring that into this conversation says a lot about you and how you argue. What are you doing right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:10 AM
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Yet, you're doing it right now. Do women need to improve in this area or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:06 AM
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I don't mean to be explaining something you may already know. But, let's be real specific about things and not conflate different possible circumstances. We have to be reasonable about what is actually feasible. The current situation is not equitable. There are not many solutions however. Every option when children are involved is bad. I believe that we should, as a society, be doing everything in our power to make sure couples stay together. It is not going to be possible to make sure that a mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:05 AM
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You have provided a few examples of measurable differences in patterns of behavior between men and women. I'm going to assume that you're correct and there are those studies -- I don't know. So, we can both agree know that there are differences between the genders in terms of communication, and emotional regulation. Now, we know that "refusal of women to take accountability" is a common male assertion and complaint. Though, you believe that it is due to the fact that these men hate women. Is the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:36 AM
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I genuinely think that the core individuals that are very extreme -- extreme enough to organize and spend a lot of time on it -- are evil. Most rank-and-file feminists don't really know the true beliefs and motivations of the extremists. This is pretty much true of any movement. Evil narcissists get in power, and have private beliefs, but advertise more moderate ones to their fanbase. I don't think that most feminists really support the kinds of things that the leadership really wants.
/r/MensRights15/12/25 06:24 AM
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I did not make that point. I said there was a greater likelihood that a woman engages in this kind of arguing. You can see women engaging in very different patterns of communication even on this form. Will you argue that women don't have certain patterns and styles of communications they use more frequently than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:10 AM
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Nobody is going to debate with you because of how you act and talk. I hope you at least entertain yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:07 AM
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You literally break the rules of this sub constantly. For some reason, you don't get warned or banned. Popping into a separate thread to respond to me when I was answering something that someone else asked, and quote me from a different thread and be sarcastic... is an example of highly toxic behavior. Is this civilized behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:01 AM
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An accountable response would be something like: "I can understand why men would feel that way. It's true that a lot of women don't take accountability. Although, I don't think this is an issue that is unique to women. People don't like taking responsibility. We could all do better to take accountability."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:00 AM
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I understand what you are saying. And, everything you said is certainly a possibility. I could be overgeneralizing. Certainly, everyone is inclined to try to avoid responsibility. Nevertheless, I still think that women are more inclined to engage in this, and less likely to be trained not to engage in it. In a sense, every woman that has responded has done something similar in their response. Let me elaborate. Most men I've talked to, to the extent that it's a common trope, have a problem with w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:57 AM
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Yes, the majority of people have a tendency to do this. I didn't say it was gaslighting. It is an example of: "Bringing up a mistake of the other party to deflect from the current topic." And while I understand what you're saying about potential overgeneralization on my part -- I do not think that is the case. I believe that men do it significantly less. Regardless, everyone should stop doing it without any need to try to deflect back to the other gender. In my personal friendships with men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:47 AM
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You just gaslighted me. There's whole modalities of psychology dedicated to communication and communication styles. You're welcome to go research this on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:43 AM
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You're just making yourself look bad. I've interacted with you a few times now, and you've always been very discourteous and come across as angry -- and not actually engaging in discussions about ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:40 AM
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I mean... As someone who use to identify as progressive, I see it pretty much as the same pile of nonsense. Where are the "progressives?" It's all just leftoids now. I don't personally feel safe around anyone who identifies with the Democrats. I was literally chased by a mob screaming Nazi at me once when I was at a dog-meetup for saying that I thought California had a bigger problem with racism and bigotry than the South. I've talked to many MAGA and Conservative people over the years when I li…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:39 AM
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I highly doubt there's actually any studies on this due to the difficulty of measurement. But, you can see it pretty frequently even in this sub when a man and a woman are engaging. Guys do it for sure, but not nearly as often in my interactions with them -- it's not even close. There are studies about women's average temperament and tendencies, but they don't directly imply that women would be more inclined to deflection. I can only think of one male that I've had do this to me, compared to a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:26 AM
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The world is bigger than this sub. I'm a man who's been alive for forty years. Men often don't even have a concrete formation of precisely what they're talking about in their own head. It wasn't until I took a communication class that it clicked. Being uncivil in this conversation isn't justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:13 AM
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The core issue here seems to be that women do not really understand what men mean when they say women don't take accountability. There is a particular pattern of behavior that we're talking about. Everyone has a tendency to do the particular thing; but men are typically trained not to do it. When men are being raised it is not at all tolerated. And that's deflection when given feedback. Example of a conversation: Man: You hurt my feelings when you did... Response: "I only did that because you...…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:55 AM
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First, the fact that you're using commas tells me you're not American. So, you probably have very little understanding of the realities of marriage, divorce, and family courts in the US. In effect, the child 100% belongs to the mother in the United States unless she doesn't want that -- which means that at some point the child was only hers and she made the decision to share. Given this reality, the child needs to also be 100% her responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:44 AM
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I'm totally fine with that. In fact, I think service should be mandatory for two years for every man. I also think that some kind of civil service should be mandatory for women. You end up learning a ton of things by having to live out your citizenship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:39 AM
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More like they forced themselves in. The vast majority of them will likely be exiting soon now that they are expected to meet the same physical standards. The existence of women in the military causes all kinds of problems. Women should not be in the military. Period. And, people who never served will never understand why.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:35 AM
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You talk as if the average woman who identifies as a feminist that you meet on the street would be okay with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:31 AM
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People don't understand what men are really talking about in detail regarding accountability. When men are talking about women not taking accountability, they're talking about women's tendency to deflect feedback. Everyone has a tendency to do this, but men typically cannot get away with doing this. Men are told "don't make excuses" endlessly until they stop doing it. There is a common pattern in male/female arguments that goes like this: Man: Why did you do XYZ? That really hurt me! Woman: Well…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:23 AM
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Stop trying to say safe haven laws aren't gender specific. In practice that's meaningless. It's like saying that men can legally get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:02 AM
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These arguments also always ignore the 2nd effects of making the responsibility for a child 100% the mothers. They already have 100% of the authority. When authority and responsibility do not go hand in hand, you create problems. There wouldn't be a lot of financial abortions because women would be more careful about who they choose to let them get pregnant. That's the result I want. Get rid of state enforced child support entirely. Suddenly, women have a reason to negotiate with their partners …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:57 AM
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These are totally disingenuous analogies. I deeply care about women and children. However, the current legal climate is insane. No sane man would get a woman pregnant in America. The legal protections for the father's rights are basically nil. The child is in-effect considered to be property of the mother. All she needs to do is lie a few times to get full custody -- and the family court NGOs encourage women to do that. If that is the case, then the laws need to reflect that. If she chooses to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:53 AM
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I feel you. However, I have had multiple very good conversations with women on this forum. Most of the women that aren't triggered are just not taking the time to respond to most things. That's something that you need to keep in mind. It's getting triggered that motivates a response for most people. There are a fair number of very reasonable women. And, I do see quite a few pretty toxic responses and posts from men. However, I do think that there is a higher percentage of women engaging in rheto…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:27 AM
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There were non-political factors that led to this [where 'this' means the social structure of the time]. The invention of birth control pill and treatments for STDs fundamentally detached the risk of pregnancy from sex. This [meaning birth control pills] was a prerequisite to everything else that has happened in the last 80 years. [the political changes] This is a quote from my original posting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:21 AM
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The hostility level is way too high. The people doing that seem oblivious to the fact that they're the problem in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:14 AM
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Yes, I do. I think that I've potentially changed the minds of people reading the exchanges that I've had with others. I don't think that I've changed the minds of any person that I was directly engaging with -- except maybe in a few rare circumstances. And, I'm also willing to change my mind -- but most people here engage in all kinds of rhetorical tricks instead of dialectics, and engage in all kinds of logical fallacies. I certainly hope that I can change minds. I think that the future really …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:13 AM
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The pill and how it came about had DEEP political implications Yes, this is what I have been arguing. I'm really sure what your point is. Most people do not understand the political and social implications of the pill; and that's what I highlight. Nobody said anything about some narrative about men bad women all think men are bad. What are you talking about in the context of this conversation? I said it. This belief is a huge driving reason the OP posted their post in the first place. It's why I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:53 AM
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Yes, I share your perspective that it's emotional abuse. And, I have told redpiller's that many times. I don't agree at all with the most takes on "relationship game." It's very unfortunate that this ideology is spreading. I don't think it serves men's interests either. These women become dangerous after a while. I've had false accusations of domestic violence in three different relationships -- one was just a female friend and she called a SWAT team to my house after showing up uninvited. All t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:49 AM
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I don't believe that conservatives have all the answers, but the fact that progressives continually dehumanize their opponents means that we can't have reasonable discussions, and pick and choose appropriate solutions to problems. Instead, I have to tolerate two different extremes. The fact that you can't have a conversation without cussing is evidence of what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:57 AM
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No, I haven't had a reason to spend time on that. I'm aware that there were surely disputes about it even as there is today. But, it would have been invented regardless, and it isn't going to be uninvented. It was inevitable. That doesn't make the technology itself political. Nor, does it change the fact that most of what women are doing in life today is downstream from the existence of the pill. You can easily do the thought experiment of a world today with no birth control, and the same laws a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:48 AM
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Ah. I was being hyperbolic, and that probably detracted from my point. And, I agree with you about cutting people off. I personally, haven't learned how to figure this out quickly, and it also seems like people can change drastically. I thought I had a really good relationship for 3 years with my fiancé, and then she suddenly became incorrigible almost overnight. There was a point at which she decided that I was a bad person because I had done something she didn't like in retrospect -- but that …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:36 AM
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I mean, it has political implications -- but it's just a piece of technology. I don't think it's inherently any more political than penicillin. What are you getting at?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:20 AM
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That may be part of it. But, generally speaking, what I see happen is that women are extremely skilled at deflection. Men are not typically very good at this for a variety of reasons. Deflection is detrimental to actually solving problems. Women's constant is something that all men are deeply aware of. It's the thing that we always joke about when women are not around. They're so skilled at deflection -- and unconsciously so -- that if you point out that women deflect, they'll try to deflect tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:56 AM
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Then she has to sue him for his spousal obligations. That has historically been the case. The incentives have to be such that people have a reason to fulfill their obligations. Speaking as someone who was previously married for quite awhile to an extremely abusive women, and also not chosen to get married again, the present incentive structures are such that women have no reason to treat their husbands like human beings. I will never give a woman that kind of power over me again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:44 AM
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Because you are no longer married? I believe the children should be under the sole custody of their mother, and that men should be freed from all obligations to her in the event that she chooses to divorce him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:40 AM
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I don't agree with you. I don't think that men should have any obligation to their children given that monogamy is the expectation anymore. Any argument to the contrary is your personal opinion. There is no objective reasons why men should do that. There are other non-monogamous societies in which what I said is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:39 AM
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We have one definition of equality. Differing rights and privileges does not immediately mean that people are unequal. It very possible, that different people have different roles and responsibilities, while still being of equal value. It is a total fiction to say that women can do all of what men do. Women can do some of what men do, very well. In those fields, women are coming to dominate. The effect of this is that men are being pushed out into other fields that are more strongly male dominat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 11:54 PM
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And, even within those fields, they don't actually do the same jobs, or to the same extent. And, in the cases where they were there are lots of problems. People have genuinely been killed from allowing women into those positions with reduced standards. As one example, a lot of women cannot throw a grenade far enough such that the blast wouldn't hurt them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 11:27 PM
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First, this post is low effort. Write something yourself instead of copypasting a prompt. I agree with a number of your points to some extent, but I don't believe that people will be able to organize to any significant degree. Surveillance powers are too strong these days; and distribution of any kind of propaganda that would be related to such a movement is severely restricted on every major internet platform. I also don't agree that "Patriarchy," at least in the sense that people us it, has be…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 11:13 PM
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I'm not RedPill, so I don't agree with the sentiment, nor do I fully understand your question. But, there's some assumptions that you seem to be pulling in. So, I'll just give a rundown of the broader issue from men's perspective. First, should women have any differing rights or privileges than men simply due to the fact that they birth children, and men do not? If so, do men deserve any differing rights or privileges due to their unique biology? From correlativity, we know: Every right creates …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:04 PM
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Why could I guess the contributor of this without seeing the name on my feed?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:58 PM
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Nevermind that it's not actually true.
/r/MensRights14/12/25 11:47 AM
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Respectful behavior costs nothing. There is a minimum level of respect that everyone is owed until they prove otherwise. Sadly, I see more of women disrespecting men than the otherway around.
/r/MensRights14/12/25 05:59 AM
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Yeah. There's a baseline level of respect that you need to grant strangers regardless of what they look like.
/r/MensRights14/12/25 05:58 AM
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Good. It's about time that the royalty in Europe was deposed again. The British royal families managed to save their heads -- and all their wealth -- by becoming a constitutional monarchy. They should have had to repay everything they've stolen from everyone around the world.
/r/MensRights14/12/25 05:57 AM
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I have. You are wrong. I am not arguing that this never happened. But to take that as the norm is way outside of any documentation you can provide. We don't see that in most cultures. And, in the ones we do see arranged marriages like you're talking -- you act as if the groom had some kind of better situation. It's pretty apparent that you're interpreting history through a bias lens.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 05:36 AM
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Yep. This also causes many very biased views against the other gender -- because people mistakenly keep choosing partners with particular attachment styles. Life would get much better for them if they focused on their own attachment issues than the attachment issues of other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:48 AM
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This is meaningless advice. It's totally reasonable for men to pay for dates, and to not do so only limits his potential options. The problem is not with men paying for dates, but that a subset of women use men for meals.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:46 AM
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I would not trust what most sex workers have to say about these topics. They have a particular perspective on the world that is influenced by a pretty significant selection bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:43 AM
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You make an assumption regarding what progressivism is really about. It is not really an ideology, nor is it fighting to attain equality really, they also don't have a shared vision of what the world should look like. They have a shared understanding of human nature. Progressives have a fundamentally different understanding of human nature that leads them to have a different vision for what the world and future could or should be like. To quote an AI In A Conflict of Visions, Thomas Sowell puts …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:04 AM
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The redpill concept extends the very well attested observation of measured behaviors, to internal thought patterns, and biological aspects of women. It is a totally reasonable thing to do. Behavior is motivated by thoughts. In fact, the incentives are such that would should do this because they can and it benefits them. The fact that women have short-side power with respect to sex means that they overall tend to think that way -- whether they admit that or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 03:17 AM
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It is. It's on wikipedia, and there are tons of cited research. It's not some redpill invented concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 03:12 AM
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Throwing out "source" to well established and common phenomenon is just requesting the poster do unnecessary work. It's silly to do. Hypergamy is well established throughout history. It is well researched in the social science. Nobody seriously denies this at this point. It's like saying the earth is flat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:50 AM
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Women do not date laterally and up with respect to finances; they marry laterally and up with respect to finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:48 AM
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Yes to what you said. Ironically, I suspect that 50/50 custody isn't objectively better for the child -- but time will tell. There are no truly good options in divorce with children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:47 AM
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Yes I meant to respond to you, and it has everything to do with your continual claims, and insinuations that men were simply abusive assholes to women and kept them chained in the basement for all of history and in all cultures. That is not how husbands and wives lived and worked together. Men do not have the time and energy to restrain women's behavior in the way you're talking about. Foot binding alone would have been completely ridiculous in most of China outside very wealthy elites. It makes…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:32 AM
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Most Latam countries have weak states, and rampant problems with crime. In practice, the police do nothing about DV -- according to what I've heard from people that live there.
/r/MensRights14/12/25 02:28 AM
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No, that's not at all factual and you can easily go learn about the history of marriage yourself. I'm not going to respond further if you're going to insist that some wealthy families engaged in were the majority of what happened. Minimally, go watch Bridgerton if you want a view on what it was more like even in the aristocracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:21 AM
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The truth is that nutrition for the mother and child have a huge impact on IQ, as well as environmental complexity. Lot's of interesting things to play with and experiment with helps increase IQ. There is some aspect to this that's heritable, but IQ is also genetically heritable. We know this from twin studies. I think that a lot of nations with very low average IQ are that way because of nutrition and other environmental factors -- but this does not explain all of the difference. It would not c…
/r/MensRights14/12/25 02:20 AM
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Historically, it has not mattered if you have behaved like a father previously. If you raised the kid for a year before discovering that you were being defrauded then "too bad" the law says. You have to continue for 17 more years. There's a number of other things. For example, in some states a husband can still be liable for his wife's debts -- but cosigning for loans is no longer required. I don't really have time to go through all the inequity in society, but those are two clear examples of pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:11 AM
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My grandmother had 11 children, and every one of them was voluntary. Stop pretending like women did not want children also. Children were wealth to the parents. They were made to do labor from a young age. There are many instances of historical laws where women were entitled to marital sex, and could sue their husbands for failure to provide sex and children to them. Why did these laws exist if women weren't actually doing this? You act as if life was easy for people in the past, rather than ext…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:45 AM
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This is nonsense. It's because men have historically been more productive in real economic terms. That's why they're the retirement plan for grandmothers, and it's also why families hold on to them. You want to pretend that systemic factors are caused by men, when men are just as much subject to them as anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:59 PM
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Female infanticide in China is not driven by men. It is driven by Grandmothers who want retirement plans. And it's a reasonable expectation given that they would be destitute otherwise given the one child policy. Female children leave the family. Needling is not infanticide though. It rarely kills the girls. It's just some fucked up superstition.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:31 PM
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She also conveniently leaves out the fact that police look the other way towards DV in Latam, and sicarios are fairly easy to find. Latin men are not significantly more "assertive and dominant." This is a big reason foreign women seek American men in the first place -- we're gentlemen who don't beat them. Instead of highlighting that as a good thing, she mocks us. I don't think anyone should hit their partners, but maybe it's worth considering how society would be different if male physical powe…
/r/MensRights13/12/25 11:53 AM
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This is nonsense. The men are able to act that way in Latam because the police look the other way to domestic violence. I've very assertive and dominant, and they still start trying this stuff with me here. Here, my only recourse is to put their stuff in their vehicle and change the locks. Note, I'm not advocating for domestic violence at all -- but it really is a critical part of why the men in Latam get different results.
/r/MensRights13/12/25 11:48 AM
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Women love to talk trash like this about American men. She didn't mention that the men down there literally beat them if they act out, or hire a hitman if they cheat or leave. While technically illegal, the police do nothing when it happens. Maybe women could learn to just not pull this kind of stuff without the threat of violence being held over them? I dated an American Latina for along time, and at the three year mark she started doing the resentful nonsense -- but I wasn't dumb enough to mar…
/r/MensRights13/12/25 11:41 AM
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In practice, a union is difficult to dissolve unless no union was practically formed in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 10:50 AM
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Have you seen the birthrates recently? You may believe that's a good thing, but do you think that it can be turned around when the population gets too small to maintain the supply chains necessary to produce modern technology? If you do think so, what do you think will be necessary to reverse the trend? I don't understand why you think I'm not being serious. I'm very much serious. I think the Mosuo societal structure might be a good option. Right now, from my perspective, it looks like we're "sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 10:48 AM
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It's not about personal morality. I've been married and divorced. The history of marriage is well known, and it was developed to serve a particular purpose in society to deal with specific problems that society was facing. Marriage didn't always exist. It doesn't exist in a "state of nature." There was a reason why we created it -- and it no longer serves that purpose. Marriage was developed to protect women from being taken advantage of sexually, and being subsequently left with children and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 10:00 AM
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Sure, but why are we doing that if dissolution doesn't cost anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:55 AM
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I can see why you'd believe that, but I'd challenge you to ask "Why bother having the legal relationship at all?" Is there really a point to it then? We could easily do what the Mosuo people do -- but it would have a drastic impact on society. The original purpose was to institute penalties for dissolution and ensure obligations. Relationships become unsatisfying, and unloving, when people develop a "grass is greener" mentality. The reality is that the grass is rarely if ever greener elsewhere -…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:39 AM
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Not every man that a woman complains about is lazy, selfish, or entitled -- probably not even most. Lazy selfish and entitled people have a really bad habit of projecting those things onto their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:30 AM
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I have absolutely no problem with a woman receiving alimony if she divorces her husband on the grounds of physical abuse, adultery, or infidelity-- or if he chooses to divorce her for reasons other than those three.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:27 AM
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Yes, we're in a fubar mixed system right now. Either go with the social models that matriarchal societies have, or have a patriarchal system. Go read about Mosuo people. There are a few other cultures like them. What we have right now is dysfunctional.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:25 AM
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I largely agree with you, but I wouldn't go so far as to say they didn't have any agency. They have historically exercised their power through influence, and the laws reflected that difference between men and women. Now, women have retained their historical sources of power, while also obtaining access to men's sources of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:22 AM
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It's not an ad hominem attack. You clearly have negative feelings about the ideology. That's evidenced by you using words with negative emotional conjugation to describe it. There's no way anyone can prove to you that believing certain things, about women in general does not imply a person dislikes women, when you have an emotional reaction to the existence of those beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:22 AM
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Because nobody wants to admit the truth. Men enter committed relationships for access to sex, while women enter them for access to status and money. It can be a reciprocal relationship, but the overwhelming majority of people engage in transactional relationships because they are driven by fear. People are allergic to the truth about human beings and our calculating behaviors. Most of what we do isn't even conscious, so it's easy to be in denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:18 AM
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You need to do one of two things. Either reduce the potential cost of relationship dissolution, or increase the barriers to relationship dissolution. Society at large use to tell people: "Sorry, you two better need to figure out your differences."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:14 AM
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We should just ban marriage entirely; unless it is going to be what it was historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:14 AM
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Not at all the point, and you ladies know that. The clear complaint is that people take on risks to enter a relationship, without adequate legal protections or rights. The laws were significantly changed at the behest of women, to solve real complaints and problems that women had. Now, in many states, there are still legal obligations for men that do not make sense in a world where women's options and obligations have changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:11 AM
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The rules of this forum are very clear that engaging in ad hominem attacks are off limits. As soon as you start implying that the OP is a bad person unsuitable for a relationship, you make yourself look badly. People should be able to engage in discussion of gender issues and their thoughts and concerns without immediately being personally attacked with passive-aggressive language.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:02 AM
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My heart goes out to you. I also understand your position about legal rejiggering. At the same time, I disagree with you. Marriage, historically, was a legal contract that guaranteed certain things to each partner -- and there was a lot of social pressure to maintain it for the benefit of the entire community. It is not about some Disney idea regarding what love is, but rather the practical matters of life and society more broadly. We have, as a society, changed the laws and consequences around …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:59 AM
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If we are going to claim, as a society, that each individual is fully autonomous and has the right to full autonomy -- then our laws should reflect that. If women are fully autonomous individuals who are responsible for their own decisions, then they should be 100% accountable for any children they choose to have. And, don't come back with "but men made a choice also." Women are the sole decision maker about whether a child is carried to term or not. And men are still held accountable for child …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:38 AM
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Yet, you have no problem with men being trapped in a solely financial relationship through child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:32 AM
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Then ban marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:29 AM
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I have a responsibility to my fellow humans to inform them of the potential consequences of harmful actions. Not everyone thoroughly thinks through what they're doing, nor can.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:23 AM
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I don't believe that men got mad about women not having bound feet, or it would have never ceased. You have zero evidence of that also. You're repeating a afactual claim that backs up what you think about men. Foot binding started out with women wrapping their own feet voluntarily and evolved over time. Have you actually bothered to do any research before repeating things that paint men in a bad light? FGM is such an ancient cultural practice that it's too old for anyone to know why it started. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:20 AM
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Out of curiosity, did you actually say anything to said friend about her fantasy? EDIT: I see you answered someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:05 AM
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I think you're probably right, but the problem with this is that many people don't actually learn from being voted off the island -- especially today where there's an infinite number of islands to go to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:04 AM
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No, I'm not trying to make a false equivalence at all. I'm pointing out that prejudice is a term with negative emotional conjugation but doesn't necessarily imply unreasonable behavior, hatred, or dislike. I think a woman is totally justified in being skeptical of a man walking behind her, but strictly speaking, it's prejudice. Prejudice does not imply negativity. The truth, I believe, is that you don't like what Red Pill ideology says. You likely feel icky about it. And you're ascribing your ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:55 AM
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This isn't the fault of feminism. This is likely biological. Women, on average, show a higher tendency than men to focus on negative information and to mentally amplify it relative to the whole context. There is a ton of different research on this topic; and men have been complaining about it in written form for thousands of years. It means they tend to not count their blessings correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:49 AM
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The OP made an argument about women tending to not receive consequences and thus become stunted in several areas of personal growth. The person I responded to tried to invalidate that argument by picking extreme examples of bad male behavior. I pointed out they were wrong, and that there are differences in consequences there also. Then, you decided to respond again to try to make what I was saying nullified by picking out the primary crime in which consequences are significantly delayed. This is…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:44 AM
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So, let's imagine a woman walking down the street at night, and she's scared because there's a man walking about 12 paces behind her. She speeds up to create more distance. Is that a manifestation of misandry and prejudice, or a reasonable response based on reasonable beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:33 AM
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Sure, pick out an extreme example of psychopathic antisocial behavior -- for which nothing happens often because it goes unreported -- and make that the central thing that we're talking about. Because, it's not as if there are women who commit rape and have nothing happen to them either. Let's use the fallacy of the exception, to negate an otherwise valid argument!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:24 AM
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I wish I could find a woman like you. I've had the reverse experience. I don't think you're being unreasonable. However, don't try too hard to fix people who don't want to be fixed. I wouldn't give him an ultimatum, but I may communicate in written form something like: Dear Handsome Devil, I really like/love you. I think you're really really swell. There's something I want to draw your attention to. In the future, I want to build a life with a reliable teammate who I can count on. As such, I wan…
/r/RedPillWomen13/12/25 06:20 AM
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Okay. Red Pill is not based in a dislike or ingrained prejudice against women. It is a framework for dealing with observed patterns of female behavior. Maybe you are confusing it for MGTOW or Inceldom.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:46 AM
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Rape is not an example of a lot of cases where men do not experience consequences for bad behavior. It's an exception that proves the rule. And further, if we want to talk about crime and not just interpersonal communication -- there's tons of research into that. From Gemini: Yes, extensive research and data from the US Sentencing Commission, the University of Chicago Press, and American Military University confirm that women often receive more lenient sentences than men for similar offenses, ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:43 AM
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And what consequences do those men experience for doing those things? Problematic women tend to manifest their proclivities in passive-aggressive behavior -- for which it is hard to catch or punish.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:39 AM
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Red Pill is not based in hatred, and is therefore not misogynistic. And, I fundamentally take issue with the idea that women accept men's uncomfortable truths. And, for the ones that they do accept it has no impact on them. What's it matter to a woman if she accepts that short men struggle with dating? But, more often than not, women will hear a man say he struggles with dating because he's short, and she'll turn it into an indictment of his personality! Ladies struggle with the uncomfortable tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:34 AM
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They're also denied a lot of punishment a boy would normally receive as a child. There's a well documented "consequence gap." The biggest lying, petty, people I've met, have generally been women. They're not a majority of women, but there's a clear pattern in my life that problematic people are more often women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:04 AM
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Threatens power structures. If men actually shared information and supported each other; people would learn about all the false narratives feminists push -- and men would better be able to defend themselves against manipulation by women.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 03:38 AM
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Ex-wife took my pets in the divorce out of spite. Whatever.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 03:35 AM
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I'm not following what you're trying to say here.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 03:08 AM
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Okay. Can she experience orgasms? If not, the sex wouldn't be particularly interesting to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:26 AM
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I didn't recommend the army.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 02:04 AM
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Good luck. It's worth it, if you can actually accomplish it. You'd need to join the air force or have a successful business to make it possible.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 01:22 AM
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Not possible, and a lot of this gap has to due with women earning less -- which will also not change unless women stop seeking male provisioning.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 01:00 AM
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This was asking about women, no? It doesn't matter how physically attractive you are if you play texting games and refuse to actually show up for dates. Also, a lot of women preclude themselves from options because they expect butterflies on the first date -- which is generally a bad sign for a good relationship if you're looking for something that will last.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:21 AM
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Some do. This guy is Gen X.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 12:02 AM
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It's not my post. He's lamenting the confusing advice that men are given.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:02 AM
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Not playin games, and actually be willing to get to know a man, are the most important traits imo. Most women will not leave their home unless they perceive there being some massive prize in it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:58 PM
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Arguing for a nuanced view of issues where it matters. Feminists only ever represent the impact of laws on women; and often don't consider 2nd order effects. Most of what impacts men isn't ever going to be fixed by laws gender rights laws.
/r/MensRights11/12/25 08:56 PM
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Yes. Does she have a sense of humor, or is she just a robot?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:22 PM
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This is nonsense. Most people don't want to walk around being assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:19 PM
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I wouldn't say that was lashing out... Girl was in the wrong putting him on the spot like that. And, how's he supposed to respond? I've had interactions somewhat like this, and I ended up leaving just to avoid the girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:16 PM
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That's basically what this post is about. Step 1: Stop being a paranoid in*el. Men can approach women via social hobbies. Step 2: It's very creepy for men to pursue women, by having the same hobbies as them. Step 3: Men should romantically approach women, without having the intentions of romantically pursuing women though. This is gaslighting 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:11 PM
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Men need to practice to get social skills. It wouldn't hurt women to learn to be kind and respectful to men they don't like. I have seen many women who are very capable of doing this. It isn't that hard to disengage from someone you don't like assertively and cordially. On the other hand, there's a class of women who enjoy trying to demolish men's self-esteem -- which seems to be ever growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:07 PM
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As I recall, there's a meme about Jessica Valenti (possibly someone else) writing a news article complaining about cat calling several years before complaining about missing being cat called. Same author.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:04 PM
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Gaslighting men, who are genuinely asking for advice, is not helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:02 PM
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Using a power dynamic to abuse your partner is bad behavior. Healthy relationships aren't based on power.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:23 AM
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You need to define "bad." I don't believe that women are "bad" but I do believe that a lot of the things you have listed leads to women behaving differently in relationships -- and also not having a lot of incentive to work on their communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 07:14 AM
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Many women have an endless line of men waiting in the wings for a relationship. This enables women to use threats of leaving a relationship as a tool to gain power and the upper hand in arguments and power struggles. Most men have significantly less options on average. Rather than change, she can just use a threat to leave to shut her partner down. I've seen this in my relationships a number of times when my partners were engaging in objectively bad behaviors. After dealing with it in a marriage…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 07:04 AM
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What are you inferring from them? Violent crime by women has been on the rise. https://www.newsweek.com/california-crime-rates-2023-women-2034461
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 06:25 AM
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The difference in incentives would tend to indicate a difference in absolute rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 06:24 AM
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I have thought about starting one. Would you like to do that with me?
/r/MensRights11/12/25 05:54 AM
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The same can be said to be true about a woman's life. The fact that she is receiving extra income from 46 more hours of work a week, and also some help with chores, makes her life a lot easier. Women make the house more complicated to clean, and have a slightly higher standard of cleanliness. If the woman wants to do that, fine. But she can do the extra cleaning required. The only way I'm dealing with a duvet cover is if it's to help my partner and at her request. A duvet cover is only one examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 02:44 AM
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Anyone throwing around the term incel flippantly is likely a closet misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 12:13 AM
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It is hyperbolized. However, men generally want to marry when they are younger. It is also more difficult to have children in your 30s. It is also true that a lot of 20 year olds prefer to date older, so a guy your age in your 30s will start having more options if he's established himself.
/r/RedPillWomen10/12/25 10:32 PM
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If a person is working an additional 6 hours a week to make ends meet for the household, expecting them to do equal chores is not "equality." And, if you care about these particular professions wages so much, go figure out how to get it fixed. People spreading lies about women being underpaid for the same work is not helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:26 PM
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Your projection. Men are constantly talking about their kids. Men are not interested in dealing with emotionally immature mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:15 PM
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Don't care. I personally did the same breakdown in the other threads before running into that particular article. The data is valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:39 PM
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Here's the actual study for the BoL on the GPG from 2006: https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ConsadReportWageGap.pdf I quote from the summary: There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:35 PM
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Here's the actual study for the BoL on the GPG from 2006: https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ConsadReportWageGap.pdf I quote from the summary: There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:35 PM
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Here's the actual study for the BoL on the GPG from 2006: https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ConsadReportWageGap.pdf I quote from the summary: There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:35 PM
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But overall communication and thoughtfulness is the most important thing. Shit won't work without those no matter what you're trying to do. This. These problems are things that individuals need to resolve in concert with their particular circumstances. Complaining on the internet isn't going to fix a problem in a relationship. Nor will using broad statistics to bludgeon your partner. Overwhelmingly, I see very little focus on healthier communication in relationships from both parties. I spent a …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:05 PM
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Western Europe and Britain literally being parasitized by economic migrants right now. Snopes rates the following as "mostly false," as in it's true if you actually read the details. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/muslim-migrant-benefits/ This is just 1 case. Go watch some Imams on MEMRI tv. The Imams are specifically encouraging this. They call it "slow Jihad." It's happening within the US as well. These Jihadis intentionally live off benefits and have as many children as humanly possible --…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:31 AM
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It's not surprising to me. They basically have their freedom and autonomy stripped from them over an extended period of time especially if there are kids involved; and false claims of DV. War PTSD isn't something imminent constantly.
/r/MensRights10/12/25 10:15 AM
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California Bay Area.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:56 AM
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Yeah, because those companies have monopolies and literally print money. Bob's Auto Repair isn't going to be able to provide that for their secretary. Go talk to people from Brazil. I once got a ride from a guy who had previously owned an auto shop in Brazil. The situation in brazil is such that you can show up to a new job for 1 day, no-show the next day and get fired, and then draw unemployment for 1 year at the expense of the company. He had people doing this all the time. It drove him out of…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:54 AM
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Where I live, there are a lot of married women on dating apps with husbands who don't see anyone else. It is not the husbands wish or kink. He stays for the kids. It was one example of the extreme levels of nonsense I have seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:51 AM
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Surprised the Mises institute wrote on this. Good for them.
/r/MensRights10/12/25 09:47 AM
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Thanks for the sentiment. But, I actually need material help. People in my family have extra bedrooms and homes, but refuse to allow me to stay while I recover from several very serious traumatic events. My family that is willing to help is unable to help, and my family that is able to help is unwilling to help. I'm likely to become homeless in a few months when short term disability runs out unless I can collect myself enough to go back to work.
/r/MensRights10/12/25 09:45 AM
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Do people ask if they're okay after they collapse? My life fell apart a few years ago. Nobody cared.
/r/MensRights10/12/25 09:17 AM
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Femael solipsism... Truth be told, I feel bad for this woman. But there's got to be more to this story that was not shared. I bet the most likely thing is that she refused to moderate her spending and was potentially driving him into debt and refusing to stop. I have ended multiple relationships over that. There's no reason to stay with a woman who overspends. She'll just leave when the savings run out anyways.
/r/MensRights10/12/25 08:52 AM
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You literally didn't read the post did OP did you? You do realizing that custody battles notoriously are unfavorable to men; and also that forcing him to live on his own means he has significantly less money to provide to his children? I'm sorry you had bad experiences in life with men. The average man is better at childcare than the average woman once the child is past the age of 2. For men who are the sole caregiver, the life outcome for children is significantly better than for dual custody, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:50 AM
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Maybe next time hire each job separately it might save you money. (Maid, cook, personal assistant) But then which one do I give the sensual massages to as thanks for all her hard work?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:46 AM
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Unlikely to change. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_expendability
/r/MensRights10/12/25 08:13 AM
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Agree. Don't be so drunk you're slurring.
/r/RedPillWomen10/12/25 08:12 AM
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Most have arrière-pensées. The rest haven't genuinely dated to any significant amount. Women are disgusted by servile men.
/r/MensRights10/12/25 08:00 AM
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A lot of men cannot provide that. I wasn't like that, and I've struggled to find anyone willing to take that deal. At one point I got desperate enough and started advertising 110K/yr for a full time live in executive assistant. Women are rightly skeptical of it, and consider it to be degrading despite making less elsewhere doing arguably more degrading things. I found plenty of women who wanted to have sex with me, but would refuse making food or other things I needed help with. I was working ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 07:55 AM
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Preach. Amen. Hallelujah. I'm the same way. You single? 😘 I once had a female roommate. I was very explicit in the room lease that all things in the kitchen were mine and were for community use. She totally ignored me and filled my kitchen to the brim with gadgets and things. She had like 4 colanders and other duplicate items. I literally could not use the kitchen anymore. There was so much stuff jammed everywhere you could not get to things when you needed them without unpacking entire cabinets…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 07:40 AM
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Many women do not seem to understand that for most men, their children are the most important thing in their lives. Many things can get in the way, but that doesn't change our nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 07:35 AM
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Women are very soon to find that you cannot wring blood from a stone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 07:32 AM
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I'm impressed that you were willing to try this. A lot of women find this to be degrading -- I don't think it is. I think you'll figure out a good dynamic. He's going to mess up from time to time. Be mentally prepared for that and how you will handle it. Nobody is a perfect leader. Have you thought through effective ways to give feedback when you feel he's making the wrong decisions? Most anxiety medication is really terrible long term. However, a few things may offer some additional help. Magne…
/r/RedPillWomen10/12/25 07:26 AM
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Okay. One weekend my fiancé came home from a camping trip with her friends. When she came home, there was a plate, a fork, a spoon, and a bowl, in the sink. She got upset about this, and basically called me a manchild who was unable to take care of himself (Contempt). I pointed out that it was a grand total of four dirty dishes for the whole weekend, and that I had just not done the dishes yet that day. She rolled her eyes (disgust). I then told her, "I don't think this is about the dishes, what…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 07:14 AM
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Nothing I wrote was ran through AI. I said exactly what I want from women. Learn to do these things: https://www.gottman.com/blog/the-four-horsemen-the-antidotes/ Stop using Criticism, Contempt, Defensiveness, and Stonewalling
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:57 AM
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You can look at chimpanzees. Their mating patterns are very similar to humans. There are two subclasses. Harems and monogamy. Men not pairing is already around 60%.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:56 AM
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Sure. I'll pick better. Doesn't change the fact that a large percentage of single women need trauma informed therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:54 AM
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Most women have no experience dating women. They have no concept or understanding of private behavior of women who are single. You all seem to be able to understand that the available bachelors are not all that great and lament "where have all the good men gone." Yet, you love to tell men to pick better. I'll pick better, and women should actually do DBT.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:48 AM
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That is not what I said. Why do so many women engage in psychological projection when engaging in arguments?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:46 AM
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Agreed. This problem is going to largely solve itself, but likely not in our lifetimes. Women you love children, who are loyal, and are naturally pair-bonding are having lots of children. The Amish, Mormons, Catholics, and Muslims, are outbreeding everyone else. For thousands of years, many women had children because they simply could not avoid it. If they do not want to have children, they leave those religions. Temperament is heritable. Politics are largely heritable and downstream of temperam…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:42 AM
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How about you not engage in ad hominem arguments or tell me what to do? I am under no obligation to care about anyone else -- and yet I do. You don't know me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:35 AM
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In the USA, around 12% of people have a personality disorder. Around 60% of people have an attachment disorder. That 12% of people with personality disorders overlaps with the 60% entirely. People who do not have attachment disorders partner up fairly early in life and stay partnered. At the age of 30, almost all single men and women that are left have minor to serious childhood trauma. You are almost 100% sure that if you date someone over the age of 30 you are going to get someone with severe …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:34 AM
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Agreed. But, if a husband has a larger comparative advantage doing paid labor instead of housework, he should be doing that for the overall benefit of the household. That is what the numbers show.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:27 AM
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i doubt most people thought about what would happen if we double the salary of all women dominated jobs That is kind of what I was encouraging.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:26 AM
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Yeah, if they're not funded through free market mechanisms, then wages growth ends up being delayed until new regulations or rules are put in place. That's a sad consequence of how many jobs are funded.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:25 AM
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It depends on the woman, but in every relationship that I have had my partner would express one of these: Criticism, Contempt, Defensiveness, and Stonewalling When I would ask them to communicate with me differently, they would get defensive and justify their disrespectful behavior with something that I had done. They were not taking accountability for their part in disputes. At some point, you give up on trying to deal with that, and you move on. I'm not going to be treated like a doormat. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:23 AM
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It was an example, today there are lots of small little things that add up to a disparate society for men. The person I was responding to was insinuating that women do not have full rights. That person wants women to have certain privileges. And those privileges could be very reasonable. I don't know specifically what they think women need. I think that women should be able to have bank accounts and take out loans. But, having a bank account is not a right, nor was it ever explicitly outlawed. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:16 AM
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Companionship. Emotional connection. Reciprocated back rubs. Someone to eat meals with. Someone to share life's burdens with. Sex is something that I do for my partner. Women like sex way more than men under the right circumstances.
/r/MensRights10/12/25 06:00 AM
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Dude, that documentary was crazy. If you have not watched Wild Wild Country then you should. I very much enjoyed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:58 AM
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ob·jec·ti·fi·ca·tion /əbˌjektəfəˈkāSHən/ noun the action of treating or viewing someone in a way that disregards their individuality or humanity, especially by considering them only in terms of their sexual attractiveness or availability. "she spoke out about the objectification of young female stars in the entertainment industry" the expression of something abstract in a concrete form. "the objectification of images may be astonishingly vivid in dreams"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:56 AM
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That's what I said. "There are no solutions, only trade-offs." - Thomas Sowell
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:55 AM
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Propaganda used to justify importing foreign labor without raising wages. Nearly 20% of nurses are immigrants according to the search I just did. Raise wages if you need more people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:53 AM
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Women did not broadly identify with the women's empowerment movement until the 1960s with second wave feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:50 AM
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An exception that proves the rule? I didn't date at all in my 20s. I dated who was available in my 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:50 AM
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I've slept with several dozen women over my life. It wasn't all that. I'd rather have the money I spent on dates back.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:48 AM
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That's definitely true. However, the overall statistics don't back up that it's a normal thing. At one company, I was the lowest paid engineer on staff despite being one of the most senior and productive. Every single woman made more than I did. When they refused to put in a promotion package for me, I quit. I don't think men should be applauded at all for this. In fact, I don't really see that happening -- maybe it does. If it is happening, it's not other men. My point, is that the complaints t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:47 AM
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More available labor for the same number of positions results in lower pay. What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:41 AM
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It's great that you have a high IQ. It's inevitable that assholes are going to be assholes. And if you're a woman, they'll pick the most obvious thing to be an asshole about. Those same assholes will pick other things to antagonize you about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:39 AM
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Don't bring in stuff from other threads. I'm not asking you for life advice. Me breaking up with women who I was in long term relationships with were due to a variety of factors. Some of which were me; and some of which were them. I have been proposed to three times by women in the last 10 years. None of my partners wanted to be a "trophy" wife. One was a CEO of her own company. I did not like the way I was being treated in these relationships. I eventually ended things after many warnings.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:37 AM
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I'm pretty sure that study he's citing badly says much the opposite of his claim about fathers...but it has been a minute since I read it....I am suspicious of choosing a blog post over the study itself and by such a biased source. You can easily go add up paid hours + household labor hours yourself; and see that the disparity disappears. With that said, there isn't a pay gap, there's a wage gap, which is to say that as a society generally (note the lack of gendered language) we have determined …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:33 AM
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I mean the original text of the constitution un-amended. The bill of rights wasn't ratified because the Federalists opposed it. Their reasoning is that providing an enumeration of rights might lead future people to believe that the enumerated rights were the only rights. The federalists believed we had many more rights than could be fully enumerated and articulated. The original bill of rights did not include the right to vote. I was trying to make several points. A lot of the things that people…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:22 AM
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That's is not accurate. Women often do not typically engage in fair play. Even on this forum women will constantly engage in emotional manipulation and logical fallacies in an attempt to win debates. This kind of behavior is not masculine, and I rarely experience it with men. I am fine with assertive behavior from women. I am not fine with dismissiveness, snarkiness, snootiness, sarcasm, and other rude and characteristically female behaviors. Ad hominem, poisoning the well, false goombas, and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:37 AM
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There's also a large subset of men who are single by choice because dating has become a hellscape. Any time men's experiences with common female behavior is brought up, it is always turned around.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:32 AM
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Large portions of modern women are allergic to any form of accountability. Any feedback women might receive must be due to some other reason than their own behavior. They assume that men are single due to some flaw in the men. I have several dozen likes waiting for me on Tinder. I have zero interest in talking to any of those people for one or more of the reasons that you listed. And, I'm the type of man that many of these women claim they would want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:29 AM
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You do realize that the two of you are objectifying men in this conversation? I would be very intrigued to go through a photo album of the guys that the two of you have dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:25 AM
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I was with you on the original post, you lost me on this one. The reality is that women pick men based on extremely superficial things. Women can claim they're looking for some kind of depth, but at the end of the day the statistics don't lie. It's money/status, height, and facial symmetry. There are tons of men who do not do the kind of objectification that you are talking about who are single because they are relatively short or have some other thing wrong with them. When women choose based on…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:23 AM
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The reality is that this supposed independence of women is only truly existent due to the use of government to extract wealth from working men. You could do nothing more than remove all the welfare programs and subsidies and then suddenly the male loneliness epidemic would solve itself as women decided to latch on to the nearest available man with a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:10 AM
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You're making broad implied assumptions about why there's been a rise in single parent households which I don't agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:54 AM
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You are absolutely incorrect. Individual instances do not prove a broad trend. Here is a link to a copy of the original 2006 follow up report from the Bureau of Labor. This was conducted in follow up to the study which reported that there was a pay gap of around 23%. I didn't include a direct link to the study because blog posts are most digestible. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ConsadReportWageGap.pdf Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:44 AM
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You are absolutely incorrect. Here is a link to a copy of the original 2006 follow up report from the Bureau of Labor. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ConsadReportWageGap.pdf Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:42 AM
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I fully understand this, and am not discounting it. However, as I have said other places, economics is an emergent system. You cannot just manipulate it legally without tradeoffs. Any additional pay to women while pregnant or engaging in childcare must necessarily come at the expense of purchasing power to men and women who are performing work. If this is done at the group level via governmental means, it necessarily implies that resources are being allocated from single bachelors to women with …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:31 AM
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This is 100% accurate. Not every woman engages in transactional sex, but a significant portion do, directly or in the abstract.
/r/MensRights10/12/25 02:17 AM
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I don't agree, and a SAHM does a lot more than a full time nanny.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:06 AM
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They're already in relationships with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:04 AM
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Yes, many of them have cash only "businesses." Yet another reason why wage statistics aren't the full picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:00 AM
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Yeah, women who do not find themselves single repeatedly. Could these things be related?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:59 AM
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Yeah, it's worth about 60K/yr. That's more than the median woman makes otherwise. What is degrading about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:58 AM
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Passport Bros are tired of trying to date those women -- those are the ones that are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:56 AM
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That is the archetype of an ad hominem attack. And, there are sufficient sources of other evidence that many men end up with partners who consider it degrading to perform household chores like cooking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:54 AM
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Real feminism has never been tried...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:51 AM
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How is getting to mate with sterile pseudo-females a benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:51 AM
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"Democracy basically means: Government by the people, of the people, for the people.... but the people are retarded."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:47 AM
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There are a lot of single mothers who do not work and live off benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:36 AM
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This does not imply systematic discrimination against women. In very recent history, a woman tried to sue Google for wage discrimination. The result found that Google was actually underpaying men. They ended up actually giving out bonuses to men and adjusting leveling. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:32 AM
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Ad hominem attacks are not an argument. And, I already addressed my part in these relationships in a different response.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:27 AM
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The data is valid. Engaging in "Poisoning the well" makes it apparent that you engage in non-rational debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:26 AM
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You can do that on your own if you're not willing to read the blog post.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:25 AM
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DEI is bullshit. It directly results in illegal hiring practices that these companies should be sued for. I've been on many hiring panels where people were excluded from consideration solely due to race and gender. The only reason that people don't sue is they cannot get evidence; and in providing it to them I would have caused myself and the company harm -- the company I had equity in and depended on for my own wellbeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:24 AM
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A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies. Though I have searched repeatedly, I have not found what I was looking for. Only one out of a thousand men is virtuous, but not one woman!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:22 AM
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Female solipsism...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:17 AM
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My point is that there are things in life that only impact a subset of society, and we allow the majority to vote on policies that do not impact them. This concept is "tyrany of the majority." Republics are designed to moderate that a bit. I am not advocating for women to lose any of their rights. Women should have the right to full autonomy. However, women often talk about "all their rights" as if rights are granted by the government. Government does not grant rights, it can only not infringe u…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:11 AM
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I'm talking actual salary as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:35 AM
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You are free to go use any search engine of your choice to find the data. I am not going to spend a long time hunting down studies I previously read and did not archive. from Claude: The research clearly shows: Young, unmarried, childless women under 30 earn 8 percent more on average than their male counterparts CNN, according to the influential 2010 Reach Advisors study. In some cities like New York, young unmarried women earn 17 percent more than men, in Los Angeles 12 percent more, and in Atl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:49 PM
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And I've been paid less than female coworkers at some companies. The overall statistics do not represent a pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:42 PM
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You do understand that the misandrist women are the most vocal and visible as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:41 PM
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I hear and understand what you're saying. Your perceived cause about what men want is inaccurate at least in my case. I would love to have a bangmaid, but that's not why I'm not in a relationship -- nor is it what I expect minimally. I expect to be in a relationship with no double standards. It is in this area that women have primarily changed. It has become very difficult to find a female partner who does not have double standards. When I point out the double standards my partners have had, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:38 PM
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Perception is not reality for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:16 PM
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I believe it. It only contributes to making sexism worse. We should not be doing this nonsense. I was in the military for awhile, and the same things were happening in order to meet quotas in leadership positions. You'd have these completely incompetent people in positions of authority because there was a mandate; and any divergence from population averages was considered misogynistic or racist. As a child from a very poor family, it really aggravates me that positions that should have gone to o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:15 PM
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Wrong. https://www.riotiq.com/articles/advanced-topics-and-research/do-males-and-females-have-the-same-distribution-of-iq-scores- These differences manifest in real-world selection processes. Males comprise 60.1% of Jeopardy! contestants and win 69.7% of games, make up 62% of special education students, and represent 89.3% of National Geography Bee finalists between 2014-2018. While males and females possess equal average intelligence, their ability distributions differ in important ways. Males …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:11 PM
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We're talking about for the same work and same job. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/ https://www.aol.com/gen-z-gender-pay-gap-050000387.html I'd love for people to have unlimited parental leave. I'm not against it, but in countries where years of parental leave are given, it's very difficult to run a profitable business. And when you "fix" these things through the blunt instrument of legislation there are unintended c…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:05 PM
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I'm not in that field, so I can really respond. I can only infer based on my own experiences. I'm going to assume it's roughly the same as pharmacology. I have no reason to believe otherwise. I'm a physicist, and it pisses me off when people point to the fact that there are so few women in physics as some sort of implication that physicists are misogynist. Overwhelmingly, women were treated fairly and with more benevolence than the men are. The average IQ for physicists and mathematicians is 140…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:57 PM
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Nobody decides reality, and if women feel that STEM isn't suitable to them then don't go into it. It will not change the fact that dealing with Aspies is incredibly difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:41 PM
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People say a lot of things. Just because there's perceived misogyny does not make it real. The reality is that mental illness and social skills problems actually increase with IQ. Being in STEM sucks because you have to deal with lots of people with mental illness or who are on the autistic spectrum. Women will take these negative interactions and assume it's because of their gender. I'm a man, and have been harassed by other men in the workplace many many times. There is no recourse for me. One…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:37 PM
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And they do. And regardless, this is a problem that couples need to solve individually. What do people actually want to happen by complaining about it on the internet? Both genders need to learn how to better communicate wants and needs in relationships. I believe that women there are likely many women who are taking these studies as evidence to bludgeon their partners with. That's not an effective strategy to get what you want from someone, or to have a good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:30 PM
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The numbers are easy to find on your own and verify. The blog post is accurate. I found it after personally debunking another thread where this was being claimed. You're just angry, I'm not going to respond to the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:23 PM
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If they're doing so, they're being extremely disingenuous. The 23% gap is a severe misrepresentation of the way in which women are being compensated. Also, there are plenty of women who earn income in such a way as for it to not be reported. The reality is that for women between 20-30, they out earn men in the same fields. You cannot expect business to pay people not to work for extended periods of time. Employees must generate value or the company goes bankrupt, and nobody has a job. Yet, a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:22 PM
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STEM is extremely friendly to women. I have worked with women in STEM my whole life. There are no scholarships targeted specifically at men like there are for women. There are no "Men in STEM" organizations to support men. The reality is that there are significant IQ differences on average between men and women at the upper end of the IQ spectrum -- and the lower end. The rates of women going into STEM fields are equal to the IQ distribution of men and women. At an IQ of 130, two thirds of indiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:12 PM
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You're conflating two groups of people. Single men definitely do their own housework. How do you think they get laundry done?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:07 PM
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Maybe, maybe not. A lot of women are ignorant of the realities of the things they're being told. People don't have time to investigate and understand very claim that's plastered on subway ads. If most people believe something, it seems like a fair assumption to believe it also. Sadly, it turns out most of the things we hear in life are nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:06 PM
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Yes. Women know that prior to making their choice, and those jobs are not paid less because women do them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:05 PM
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Sure, but as of today, single women between 20-30 actually out-earn men. It seems like our current interventions have done fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:04 PM
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I haven't listened to much of Esther, but I have listened to a little bit. To answer your question. I'd say overall no, but it has improved my life significantly. So it wasn't a complete waste. My last relationship was 4 years long, and was very good for a long time because of my improved communication and ability to see things from other people's perspectives. I had also gotten really fit -- I need to get back into the gym. About the 3 year mark, my partner changed significantly for reasons tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:02 PM
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Then why do single women with no intent to have children also choose those career paths?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:52 PM
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That's not what was said. Women are biologically more drawn to low-skill jobs in caregiving. There is an oversupply of people willing to do those jobs, so the wages aren't that much. Wages aren't just magically decided by committee. Market forces dictate those.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:51 PM
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The reality is that men are doing slightly more hours of work to benefit the household than women on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:50 PM
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There's an implication that if you're replying on a Debate thread, that you have a position. You also said "I do think it's fascinating how many men in this sub refuse to do housework." There may be very real and legitimate reasons why they're not doing the housework. Maybe they work 60 hours a week to their partner's 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:49 PM
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Yeah, it's not a simple coincidence that the feminist movement coincided with the free love movement. It's also not coincidental that it came after the invention of the birth control pill, and cures for STDs. Separating female sexuality from the risks of deadly venereal diseases and unwanted pregnancies drastically changed the rules that the previous systems had been based upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:41 PM
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Sure, but the point was that the Bureau of Labor contracted CONSAD to do an actual follow-up study on this. That's the reason why the government took no action. Twenty years later, people are still reporting the claim from the 2004 study.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:38 PM
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It isn't even necessarily systemic factors. There are very good reasons to believe that those choices are rooted in biological differences between men and women -- which are not fixable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:37 PM
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Read the blog post, it directly addresses your point. It's also a woman's personal choice to be a social worker and make 30K/yr. Nobody forces them to do that. I can't tell if you're trying to criticize men as a gender for not becoming social workers. There are biological reasons for those differences in choice that will not change no matter how much we focus our attention on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:35 PM
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I think this is very true for extreme feminists; and a lot of more moderate women are their unwitting patsies. But, I will say that as men, when we say "feminists" we are unwittingly including a lot of very good women who are not acting in "bad faith" but identify as feminists. They read that and it drives them away because that's not their motive. At the core of every major ideology are people of similar nature. Sadly, no ideology fully represents the nuanced truth of reality. Communists have s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:33 PM
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Sure, but nobody is arguing that. Also, I think we should be able to agree that men should not be voting on issues of women's reproductive health/rights. No?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:24 PM
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It's from the Institute of Family Studies, which is a well regarded. Nobody is asking you to subscribe. If your husband is helpful and does housework, why do you take the position that it's a larger problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:23 PM
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I've changed in a number of significant ways. My marriage at 18 was a disaster, I spent 8 years single afterwards. I became significantly more redpill for awhile. I started attending classes on communication and psychology about 13 years ago, and have done so consistently since. It was clear that at a minimum I was picking bad partners; but also likely that I had many problems I needed to work on. I've worked hard on adjusting my communication style. I've also tried to hold on to relationships s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:22 PM
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It's the reality in the United States as well. The deductions may offset things, but childcare and an additional vehicle is very expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:04 PM
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That's true in many cases. However, women are still complaining about a myth that was debunked in 2019: https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-myth-of-the-lazy-father
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:03 PM
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When women persist in highlighting and being aggrieved about problems which don't actually exist, then those problems are necessarily unfixable. A study for you: https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-myth-of-the-lazy-father Please note, that this study was published in 2019. And yet, 6 years later, we still are insisting that this is true. We still hear about the gender pay gap as well. The original claim was from a study done in 2004, and a follow-up study was done in 2006 that further investigated it…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:40 PM
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This is chronological snobbery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronological_snobbery
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:39 PM
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-myth-of-the-lazy-father Much like the "gender pay gap" you ladies keep coming up with imaginary things to be upset about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:36 PM
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Please stop repeating this nonsense https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-myth-of-the-lazy-father
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:35 PM
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In some cases, yes. In a lot of situations, the second person's income is taxed fully at the higher marginal rate. They don't end up actually earning much. It can make a lot more sense to have that person do all the housework, clip coupons, and do thrifting. Like, I was making 200k/yr while my girlfriend made 60K/yr. If we married, that 60K would be taxed at a really high marginal tax rate. Combined with the need for an extra car, and childcare. She could have had a bigger economic impact by car…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:35 PM
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That is indeed a comical point. The vast majority of women are not pursuing careers, they're just doing "jobs." And, understandably they generally like neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:16 PM
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I hear your point, and "agree." But, I think it's arguable that women are actually benefitting from the liberal agenda. They believe they are benefitting for sure. However, I often run into hobosexual women with much more frequency than I use to. And, unfortunately, these women are not suitable partners that I would be willing to help. They basically want to spread their legs and fight about inconsequential things. Society has told them that being a productive member of a household is infantiliz…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:13 PM
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It's not the same thing at all. I'm not particularly interested in sex directly. There needs to be some level of reciprocation for me. Sex is easy to get for free.
/r/MensRights09/12/25 07:47 PM
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Do you not see the difference between encouraging the death of lonely men because they're bad members of society, and the assertion that a lot of women are so intolerable in relationships that they'll grow old alone and with cats? I don't agree with either way of putting things, but there is a difference, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:45 PM
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Yeah, people just downvote and move on. Votes are mostly hidden on this sub. And no, I'm not being dishonest. Show some examples of what you're talking about. I've seen a lot of things that some people would consider misogynistic, but are attempts at describing reality. Making a true statement that reflects women in a bad light, is not the same thing as saying something hateful towards women or encouraging harm to them. There was a thread the other day encouraging the death of lonely men. That c…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:40 PM
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We both know that's not true. Your response right here is one of the very things I'm talking about. This kind of snarky dismissiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:51 AM
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The other day, I was inquiring about the genetic heritability of IQ, and it literally could not agree that any of the IQ disparities between countries were due to differences in population genetics. It would agree that IQ was heritable, but then only acknowledge that this disparity was due to environmental factors.
/r/MensRights09/12/25 07:27 AM
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What is the point of this post?
/r/MensRights09/12/25 07:05 AM
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He's just another dude who doesn't understand the problems that young men are facing. He lived through the most prosperous period of time in history -- and then telling younger men to toughen up. All boomers and Gen Xers do this shit.
/r/MensRights09/12/25 06:09 AM
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Good.
/r/MensRights09/12/25 01:51 AM
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And yet, they won't actually give you the specifics on how they want things. Their preferences are almost always expressed in the negative. You have to actually make mistakes to learn what they don't want. It's impossible to have a good relationship when that's the pattern of communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:47 AM
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Women who are gold diggers are that way from the get go. Just tell him you want to be a SAHM and focus on raising and educating your children and see what he says. The fact that you're working and not just sugar dating is already strong evidence that you're not a gold digger.
/r/RedPillWomen09/12/25 01:37 AM
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Thanks, but this stuff is normal. The nursery rhyme is actually quite popular, and there's some truth to what it says.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:32 AM
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I disagree with you. There are many subtle things in reality that are difficult to communicate to with language. We wouldn't have body language at all if that weren't the case. Most people struggle to express the details of body language in written English. And, even if you did do so effectively, a lot of people still wouldn't be able to understand. Why do animals almost always run away from humans -- but are often found interacting with each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:12 AM
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First, this is not most places on the internet. Second, I've yet to see many, if any, comments referring to women with any derogatory names -- maybe the mods are removing them before I see them. Here, even my comments that make true but negative statements about women in an emotionally neutral language are met with significant downvoting. There are in fact some persistent traits that the majority of women share. Women are significantly more neurotic than men, and are worse at managing their emot…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:08 AM
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Yeah, because the most sensitive area of your penis isn't rubbing on other things all the time. It also functions to help with lubrication during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:52 PM
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Men overwhelmingly agree about one particular trait of women. You can ask any man that has been in a relationship, and he'll be able to tell you what it is. And yet, women will always dismiss that feedback. Why is that? Things would be a lot better in the world if women cared about that one thing. Do you know what that one thing is?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:46 PM
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Women in general refuse to manage their own emotions, and therapy rarely helps them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:42 PM
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In my experience, in most places on the internet, any kind of generalized negative statement about women will get severe negative backlash. Whereas, the reverse is not true. I grew up with my mom singing rhymes that were misandrist. There's also biological effects which give most people an innate preference for the virtue of women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:36 PM
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Women are delulu about what being a man is really like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:31 PM
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Nobody encouraged me to do anything. People do not care about you or your wellbeing at all as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:28 PM
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As an uncircumcised man, that's such hilarious logic. It's not as if people check before they are already want to have sex. I've never experienced any discrimination based on having foreskin. And contrary to what a lot of people say, foreskin is actually fairly important for sex. It makes sex a lot better for both partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:27 PM
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Why do you seem to think that men get help in STEM? I was at the top of my class. Men receive almost no help whatsoever. You're much more likely to get help on your homework as a woman. There is far more support for women in STEM than for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:24 PM
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Evolutionary reality is indeed why a lot of the disparities occurred. Not because of men specifically, but because of real differences, and overall patterns of how men and women interact interpersonally. But, the hatred is not biological. Cruel, sweeping statements, about the opposite gender are normative and even celebrated online. Men bad, women good. This gets really old.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:18 PM
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I need loving physical touch, or I get extremely depressed. But, I would also be retired and on a beach had I not tried to marry.
/r/MensRights08/12/25 10:35 PM
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My response makes sense in the context of the whole discussion, and the point that I'm making.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 10:13 PM
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Women largely interpret Patriarchy to mean that men have historically been evil and this is evidence of genetic flaws, and thus poor treatment of men today is justified. I've seen it many many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 08:58 PM
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The title of this thread is 'The patriarchal agenda...'
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:46 PM
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I submit for your review, the following timelines: When penicillin become widely available: Penicillin became widely available during World War II, specifically by 1944–1945, after the U.S. and U.K. developed large-scale industrial production methods. Here’s the quick timeline: 1928: Alexander Fleming discovers penicillin. Late 1930s–early 1940s: Florey, Chain, and others develop methods to purify and test it. 1941–1943: Production is still extremely limited—reserved mostly for military use. 194…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 10:42 AM
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The word "should" has strong implications. If you should do something that is mutually exclusive with some other thing, there is an implication that you should not do the other thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 10:33 AM
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Today almost 100% of American women will identify as some form of "Feminist." It was a minority movement prior to birth control and penicillin.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 07:00 AM
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Yeah. The American Dream was a brief moment in time where we horded all the the post-WW2 wealth, and lived off the backs of the rest of the world without actually having to see the harm we were doing. People do not understand the concept of Exorbitant privilege at all. They don't understand that it's passing away and that people will have to work a lot harder in the future. America has literally just exported paper for the last 50 years and in return we got all kinds of amazing things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 06:47 AM
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You seem like a reasonable person, and I agree with almost all of what you said. I disagree about there being no core unifying "thing." All Christians still have Christ in common and his core teachings. For feminism, that unifying thing is the concept of there being "The Patriarchy™" The Patriarchy™ is a core component of feminism, and thus it can never actually defeat it. In doing so, feminism would destroy itself. The biggest perpetuators of The Patriarchy™ are inadvertently feminists. This is…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 06:39 AM
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That is true. But, I believe there are real causal factors in Feminism that cause some of the problems in society today -- problems that feminists will blame on The Patriarchy™. First, I don't disagree with the idea that women should have autonomy. That is not my position. I disagree with the particular manifestation of the movement that claims to seek to promote equality. Specifically, feminism historically, and today, is grievance based. Another way to say that is that arguments are always for…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:55 AM
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I can't speak for other MRAs, only myself. The primary issues that bother me are that there are a laws in place where men are held liable for child support even when they were raped, or had sperm stolen from them. Also, you cannot vote as a man unless you register for the draft. Women's votes are not tied to any such thing. And, I do think that a mandatory military service will eventually come for men again. These are specific legal things. There are a number of other sociocultural things I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:37 AM
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I don't quite understand your question. Radical feminists are fairly often found trying to stop things the Men's Rights Movement is trying to accomplish. Things that are not inherently harmful to or unequal for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:11 AM
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The radicals are always the core group of people at the center of any ideological group. They're the ones motivated enough to spend their free time moderating, and organizing, and promoting. They're the people that work at the National Organization of Women and publish false statistics and studies to garner more donation money. To say that there is a "non-radical feminism" is not very accurate. That's just the limited subset of beliefs that are tolerable enough to "see daylight." Without the rad…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:08 AM
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I think that Feminist messaging directly promotes patterns of behavior that make relationships more difficult. I'm not saying that we should return to the 1950s. I am saying that feminism directly encourages behaviors that are detrimental to the formation of stable male-female relationships. Particularly, promoting lies like the Wage Gap, and a variety of other false claims like women couldn't own property or have jobs. These things encourage feelings of aggrievedness against men. Feminism is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:54 AM
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If that were true, then feminists would be happy to lock arms with the Men's Rights Movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:48 AM
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Sarcasm and straw-men aren't going to get far with me. Most of your post is attacking ideas I do not have. Saying that women should aspire to <XYZ>, is inherently saying that they should not aspire to <ABC>. Feminism wasn't about opening up options, but about pushing an idea on people about what would bring happiness and fulfillment. Does XYZ actually make people happier and more fulfilled? Comparing Afghanistan to Western culture is ridiculous. They bear almost no resemblance to historical west…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:48 AM
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It certainly wasn't The Patriarchy™ that caused those things. They're natural consequences of a fiat-based monetary system. That isn't inherently patriarchal or male coded. It is feminists that insist that men are the source of all the problems you listed. That insistence creates additional strife. It also makes it very difficult to form a coalition of people large enough to actually address those problems. So yes, feminism plays a big role in our continued torture.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:40 AM
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For some reason my copypaste from wikipedia didn't save, I've updated my comment. Regarding the nursery rhyme, I can't say for certain that is in fact part of the broader "Blue Pill" a prior knowledge. But, that was certainly part of my worldview when I would have considered myself a feminist. I think it is representative of the kind of "background assumptions" that people are raised into.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:37 AM
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Roughly, but I wouldn't argue that the rhyme is proof of its existence. I would just say it is an example of a viewpoint that episteme would take. The proof of an episteme is in the existence of a contrasting non-normative worldview. To quote Wikipedia: For Foucault, an épistémè is the guiding unconsciousness of subjectivity within a given epoch – subjective parameters which form an historical a priori.\5]): xxii He uses the term épistémè (French pronunciation: [epistemɛ]) in his The Order of Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:22 AM
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The Patriarchy™ does not exist. Women spent most of their lives pregnant, or caring for children, before the birth control pill. That severely restricted what women could do in society. The fact that feminism took root shortly after the invention of effective birth control, and that society and laws change drastically and quickly, should be a strong indicator that men were never the primary source of power or systemically oppressing women as a group. As long as people keep insisting on the exist…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:13 AM
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Feminism isn't egalitarian, or it'd be called Egalitarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:09 AM
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You do realize that women had rights before feminism decided that The Patriarchy™ was the source of all problems? Economics definitely plays a role, but telling everyone that men are evil and you shouldn't get married or have children has also played a role. The idea that a career should be the primary source of fulfillment in life was not a Patriarchal idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:09 AM
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It's certainly evidence against the idea that feminism makes people more happy. Maybe Mojo Dojo Casa Houses are just more fun. Also, sayings to "stop turning feminism into a bogeyman" is rich from a group of people who invoke The Patriarchy™ as the source of all ills in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:04 AM
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You ladies keep saying this as if it's some sort of gotcha, and as if women didn't have rights until 100 years ago. Rights of women and men have varied significantly over history and culture. I'd invite you very much to look into the rights that women had in the Roman empire. They worked, they could own property, they could divorce their husbands, they participated in politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:03 AM
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Ironically, people have become progressively more lonely and unhappy as Feminist ideas have spread.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:13 AM
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The government should have nothing to do with this! Other than that, I very much support the idea of arranged marriages making a return in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:06 AM
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Normalizing degeneracy is one of the signs of a failing empire.
/r/MensRights08/12/25 02:51 AM
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It's not fringe anymore. Feminism has pushed so many anti-male narratives, that it's normative.
/r/MensRights07/12/25 09:47 PM
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Probably not, but it will result in Islam taking over all the western democracies and voting for Sharia law to replace our reasonably sane body of law. Keep these people out. https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cx8YqmnOVyS/ https://np.reddit.com/r/Israel_Palestine/comments/18d1qj1/we_give_birth_to_many_chosen_so_we_can_push_them/ Endless further examples you can find on your own. "We have offspring bombs."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:45 PM
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Have you ever read about Michael Foucault's concept of an episteme. It's the basis of the ideas behind The Matrix movie -- that we are born, and grow up in a sea of information which we absorb through osmosis. The Blue Pill is that set of ideas and beliefs. Sadly, many of them (but not all) are untrue. A lot of people have vested interests in perpetuating lies in order to maintain their positions in society. The nursery rhyme is an example of part of the episteme, and ideas that make up Blue Pil…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:37 PM
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This kind of stuff is not going to end well for them long term.
/r/MensRights07/12/25 09:30 PM
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That's because progressives love people in the abstract, but dislike the reality of individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:23 PM
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No it is not. I grew up listening to my mom sign this rhyme. Apparently, it's a pretty common rhyme: What are little boys made of? What are little boys made of? Snips, snails And puppy-dogs' tails That's what little boys are made of. What are little girls made of? What are little girls made of? Sugar and spice And everything nice That's what little girls are made of. This pretty much encapsulates the Blue Pill worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:20 PM
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They have low sexual boundaries. It's just another way of saying they have a high body count. I don't want to be with someone that will sleep with anyone casually. Often times, these women are subconsciously trading sex for goods and services. It goes with the territory. Whenever you don't give them what they want, they go dial up a FWB, or go on Tinder -- because sex doesn't matter all that much to them. It's very difficult to form a long term stable relationship with someone who has that minds…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:19 PM
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What you said does not really disagree with what Red Pill actually asserts. None of it is hard or fast rules, but observations of a trend and has to do with male availability of sex. It is true that attractive men, and more options than an unattractive man. It's also true, that the ratio of options is skewed by gender, such that very attractive men have way more options than very attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:15 PM
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That is not how I view "Blue Pill"; at least not for a man. I grew up hearing this little rhyme from my mother fairly frequently: What are little boys made of? What are little boys made of? Snips, snails And puppy-dogs' tails That's what little boys are made of. What are little girls made of? What are little girls made of? Sugar and spice And everything nice That's what little girls are made of. To me, it perfectly captures the Blue Pill worldview. But, it turns out, that women are not "Sugar an…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:11 PM
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Sure, that's absolutely fine, but then maybe they can stop wondering where all the good men went.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:04 PM
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Not sure what this is about precisely. In my own life, I decided to ignore the advice to avoid experienced women and it only caused problems in my life. They thought very little about the significance of sex, and eventually started using it as a weapon in the relationship. There are logical reasons to avoid women with a high body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:03 PM
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You are clearly trolling. Find someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:31 PM
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“Nothing is ever my fault”. Does that have content? What content does that have? Give her a warning for an ad hominem attack if you're going to continue to follow me around and respond to me. You allow this troll to continue to post nonsense day in and day out -- and then she responds to me with something intentionally designed to aggravate me, and you mods do nothing. There are endless posts complaining about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:28 PM
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AirPods were not invented 50 years ago. How mobile people are has changed significantly over the last 50 years. Go find someone else to bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:24 PM
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It was also illegal for a man to refuse his wife in many cultures. Does that mean that women went around raping their husbands?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:05 AM
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Whatever you say dear.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:30 AM
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This ignores a ton of systemic factors that are going on in society right now. Headphones, people being transitory in major city centers, etc. Losing social relationships due to leaving religions. Not having romantic relationships as much. I have tons of friends, they're just spread out all over the world because I've moved, or they've moved. Two of my close friends have moved in the last 6 months to other states.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:20 AM
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Dude, I'm really sorry about that. I had a similar experience with my ex wife, but she didn't do anything after I filed for divorce -- thankfully. She just told everyone I was beating her -- which was not true. Women who self-harm are a super red-flag. It's highly linked to Borderline Personality Disorder. If they'll hurt themselves, they'll hurt you too. Every single time I've dated anyone who self-harms, they end up getting malicious towards me. I've tried not to judge because I struggle with …
/r/MensRights07/12/25 01:42 AM
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I do not believe in "The Patriarchy" as a valid concept; but I do think it is contributing to women's overall worldview in modern times. History is much more nuanced than The Patriarchy as a thesis would allow. Women had tons of influence in the upper classes. The feminist narrative is historical negationism and cherry-picking of laws. Things were not significantly better for men from a legal perspective, but they were different. Women spent most of their lives pregnant or dealing with children.…
/r/MensRights07/12/25 12:42 AM
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A few years back, I was friends with a woman who was extremely feminist for a while, and let her know I didn't agree with some of her viewpoints and gave her evidence of flaws in her reasoning. I was very kind to her and helped her out with a bunch of stuff. She started saying extremely petty things to me, but continuing to hang out. I don't know if she actually wanted to date or not, but I eventually told her that I didn't want to date anymore. I told her that because she attempted to commit su…
/r/MensRights07/12/25 12:14 AM
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Mostly I don't want to. I don't know how women perceive me anymore, but I dealt with a lot of unwanted female attention when I was younger and actually talked to them regularly. Most women are very unattractive to me. A lot of what I don't like about women goes for men as well, but I'm not trying to date men. I really dislike obesity, alcoholism, make up, tanning, and a number of other things that are normative these days. Bad habits rub off on me when I date someone. And, I've learned that it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:54 PM
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They will admit that dating is harder for men in some ways. Women deal with their own information asymmetry about dating the same person as other women. They also cannot seem to understand that the consequences of that. Dating, in general, is harder for men, and it blows most of the Patriarchy narrative out of the water. Because, this isn't a new phenomenon. Men have simped for women for most of history. It was their sexual power that allowed them to get "equality" in the first place. If you go …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:36 PM
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This doesn't even warrant a response it's so ridiculous. I have zero interest in raping women. Men want to be desired also.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:22 PM
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You're conflating a couple things. There are some people who are very attracted to muscles and makeup. And the fact that those are very visible and rare traits, means it's easy to connect up with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:21 PM
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Read the chapter I sent you. It's not that long.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:49 AM
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I understand why you feel that way. I've overwhelmingly had experiences with self-centered women. However, I don't think all women are clinically narcissists -- definitely not malignant narcissists. However, non-malignant narcissistic tendencies are definitely on the rise. Culture is definitely normalizing female self-centeredness. Occasionally, I do see women that have woken up from it and genuinely try to be good partners, but it's not the norm. I think this is partially enabled by men simping…
/r/MensRights06/12/25 03:49 AM
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☠️ As a career-driven man, this has me laughing. There's some truth to what you're saying, but overwhelmingly you're being hyperbolic. The cities are more inhabited by men. Your description of how these corporations operate is amusing, but not quite right. The gender ratio in rural areas tips female. A lot of women I know are working with the hopes of saving enough to buy some property outside the city. Subsistence farming is quite popular with women -- at least until they actually experience ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:34 AM
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Women, who are non-toxic, are generally oblivious to what kind of games some women play. They are very dismissive of the existence and magnitude of these problems. They end up enabling abusive women. Woman's in-group biases are 4 times larger than that of men. Culturally, we've made a number of legal changes that were very important; but those laws had a demonstrable impact on restraining the harm that psychopathic women could do to men. Psychopathic women largely have free rein to do as they wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:51 AM
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And of course any resentment towards it is met with gaslighting and ridicule Oh there it is...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:41 AM
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lol. Yeah, human beings are singing dancing monkeys. The fact that you're not autistic, enough to accept that, doesn't make it not so. TRP is a pickup-artist forum. It's not a bunch of bitter men. Naive, possibly autistic, men get angry when they realize that everything they were told, by normative culture, about how to get laid was nonsense. That doesn't mean bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:16 AM
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No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about all the stuff that makes women get butterflies on the first date. "Touch their hand, oh and then touch them on the elbow, and then when they're going through the door you opened, caress their back gently." Oh yeah, and have some jokes prepared that'll really make her laugh. I learned to do it, and it works. It got me laid a bunch of times, but it's not who I am as a person. It's not "being a nice and loving partner."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:10 AM
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It's literally quarantined. You can go see for yourself right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:00 AM
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I'm not defensive about it, I'm not even "Red Pill." I did spend a lot of time reading those forums, and I think you're wrong. Maybe you're thinking about "Incels."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 01:58 AM
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You don't understand "red pill rage." It's from suddenly to understand that everything you've been told about the world is a giant lie. It's a result of the brain re-wiring significantly after illusions being dispelled.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 12:29 AM
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Sure, people need to protect themselves -- but do you see what you're doing? Wouldn't the world be a better place, if people prioritized guarding each other's hearts? Fuckboys might develop a conscience. And whatever you want to call the female equivalent, might stop doing it. People are that infatuated are not properly seeing the circumstances and that really makes it difficult for them to make good decisions. I will always tell people to look out for bread crumbing and try to pull themselves a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 12:23 AM
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Believe what you want. TRP and MGTOW subreddits were both banned. FDS is still going strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 12:19 AM
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That's up for every person to decide. However, there's clearly many examples of socially normative behavior where women use dating apps for free meals, or outright engage in some form of prostitution, or marry a men they despise for money while cheating on him and being abusive. It's very rare for a man to be able to engage in romance fraud that becomes financially beneficial -- they do play similar games just to get laid. I look at it this way, if a woman or a man is spending all her time talki…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 12:18 AM
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You're assuming that equality could ever be achieved and was therefore "rejected." They didn't reject it, it just isn't possible. Falling birthrates and marriage rates are the evidence. What we have now was achieved by hamstringing men in society for the so-called equality. Our innate powers were removed by legal force. However, there is no possible world in which women's innate powers are removed in an equivalent way short of putting bag's over their heads when they're out in public. Men's over…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:58 PM
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You're ridiculous. I never paid for any RP content. The fact that TRP and MGTOW became censored occult knowledge says enough about you guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:52 PM
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Yeah, and this is also why women constantly lie about reality and RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:51 PM
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They've always had the final word -- but they usually use it to lie in order to avoid full accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:47 PM
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I'd prefer they picked the one that's true: "women have always had the final word." The other one is just gaslighting and an attempt to avoid responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:45 PM
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Ironic that you can see this now, but likely still believe the Patriarchy existed historically despite well known plays such as Lysistrata. Women have always been the real power in charge. It is with this power, that they changed things once men were no longer as needed due to technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:44 PM
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Women did not "reject equality" but they are being dishonest about the reality of modern dating and things that they would do well to improve. A pretty sizable percentage of women are taking advantage of this for their own financial benefit and entertainment. OnlyFans is just one example of women being legally allowed to capitalize on this drive. Men are not on onlyfans for naked pictures, they are on there because it's someplace they can actually talk to a woman. I experimented with it for a wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:41 PM
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I believe that you believe that's true; but it's not been my experience. Women ascribe value to a lot of different traits men have including income and wealth. Women have become less hypergamous financially, but more hypergamous when it comes to height and looks. And, you still see articles like this: https://www.the-independent.com/life-style/dating/marriage-rates-decline-reason-economically-attractive-men-jobs-income-a9098956.html As a man of slightly below average height, but with a high inco…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:01 PM
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But, if men wake up to their games, who will pay their utility bill over cash app?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:57 PM
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It's not a bitter attitude. TRP accepts the reality of modern dating, and teaches men how to perform the singing-dancing-monkey act that women want and reward. People want to equivocate TRP with dread game, and that's not all of what TRP talks about. I don't personally support using dread game, nor do I think it's effective long term for a healthy partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:56 PM
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This is kinda true. Men are more likely to "forgive" cheating, but they rarely actually get over it. And in the cases that I've seen, female cheaters refuse to change their behavior such that they won't cheat again in the future. If they get away with it by you taking them back, why would they stop?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:54 PM
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Yeah, I mostly left MRA a long time ago. I still read what's going on because it's insightful about what is going on legally. But, I do believe they provide good warnings to men about BPD/NPD women and what kind of damage they can do to you. MGTOW and TRP are basically the only effective outlets that men have. But, all these groups basically agree about female nature. It's just a question on what your goals are, and if you believe you can bring enough value to the table to actually find a partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:53 PM
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They worked for me. Totally changed my dating life. But like chobolicious said, they're not the entirety of the truth. Reality is more nuanced, and TRP has bad advice for having stable long-term relationships. Their pick-up advice definitely works -- but you're going to have to deal with a lot of women who make relationships difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:48 PM
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You're wrong. No man wants to hear TRP stuff. It usually results in "red pill rage" that takes awhile for people to come to accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:45 PM
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A significant amount of what TRP says about dating and relationships is true. It works very well to pick up women -- it just has dumb things to say about keeping women around long term. Relationship game doesn't work and it's tantamount to emotional abuse. But that's not the goal, the goal is to sleep with as many as possible and leave them before they hurt you. I started doing what TRP said about 10 years ago, and it changed my dating life significantly. But, I also went to therapy and learned …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:44 PM
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If you know that a man is madly in love with you, and you continue to communicate with the guy and let him buy you gifts and spend money on you -- then you're taking advantage of him even if you communicated we're "just friends." I've ended friendships with many women who were clearly infatuated with me because that was the right thing to do when the feelings weren't shared. But also, a lot of women who are in relationships use these male friends for validation and to precipitate jealousy in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:33 PM
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Most of those videos you saw of women trying to "date as a man" started out as precisely what you're talking about. "Oh you're just not saying the right things in your bio and during conversations, and your pictures are bad." They go fix up a man's profile and use his account for a while, only to find out that the experience is trash. In my own life, I don't really know how attractive I am, but I've been told that I'm "quite handsome" many times. I've also been told that I'm ugly once or two, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:19 PM
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Unchecked BPD being sprayed across the internet is definitely making society worse.
/r/MensRights05/12/25 08:16 AM
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White men are overwhelmingly the most prosocial group of men on the planet. That's why they were successful -- contrary to the narrative that they went around oppressing everyone else. From ChatGPT: High Conscientiousness: Northern Europeans often score higher in traits like orderliness, punctuality, and long-term planning. Lower Neuroticism: Many studies suggest lower average emotional reactivity or anxiety compared to some other populations. Moderate Extraversion and Openness: Some variation e…
/r/MensRights05/12/25 04:40 AM
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Without loyalty, there is no benefit to men whatsoever.
/r/MensRights05/12/25 02:43 AM
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Drain the savings account and then leave. Oldest game in the book.
/r/MensRights05/12/25 02:43 AM
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She's absolutely right. It's my biggest complaint against feminism. It's the natural response to a flawed narrative. And, this line of reasoning has been used by every single woman who has abused me or caused me harm. Harming an innocent man is somehow justified by the fact that other men hurt her or other women. I try very hard not to overgeneralize; but my opinion of western women is at an all-time-low. I want nothing to do with them after the trouble they have caused in my life. Lying and emo…
/r/MensRights05/12/25 02:40 AM
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Women are extremely non-committal these days as well. State your intentions, and they'll run off anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 11:01 PM
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I disagree with the poster as well. However, I want to say: EQ tests are not particularly reproducible between different tests, and the gender differences are negligible. Just like IQ tests, women and men differ in that they score better or worse in specific areas of these tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 11:26 AM
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Online dating sucks for a lot of reasons. Most of them are not fixable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 10:51 AM
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This is an important point people often fail to mention. Having "a career" is a wildly vague thing to recommend to people.
/r/RedPillWomen04/12/25 04:54 AM
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That's a good question, and I don't have a solid answer. There's many different factors at play, some of which can be fixed and some which can't. It use to be that life was so difficult that people literally needed to pair up just to survive in a reasonable way. I don't think that we will go back to that (hopefully). I like abundance. There are many factors that make being in a relationship potentially dangerous, and not a positive experience. When people were no longer basically forced-by-natur…
/r/MensRights04/12/25 03:20 AM
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I'm not quite sure what you mean. I would like to "win" in the sense that women broadly stop believing false narratives about men as a gender so that we can go back to >50% of people not being lonely and single.
/r/MensRights04/12/25 02:41 AM
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Sure, they do experience more ire from feminists. But those individuals are never going to be convinced. They're genuinely female supremacists from my interactions with them. I've been an MRA since 2006, and back then there were basically no female spokespersons. The hardline feminists did everything in their power to basically label MRAs as evil misogynists, rather than people that just wanted equality. We were basically banned from college campuses due to coordinated attacks and slander. I dis…
/r/MensRights04/12/25 01:02 AM
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I don't agree with you. I've "broken up with people out of nowhere" many times in the past. Women did not consider my feedback to be important enough; and thought I was never going to leave because I'm generally a kind person. I would have preferred to stay in those relationships. It wasn't until a few years ago that a therapist actually recommended that I "take space" when my feedback was not being listened to. It's a very clear action that can communicate the severity of a problem. "You did XY…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 11:49 PM
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Yes, when you consider what's actually going on in Afghanistan. People will talk about Boko Haram in Nigeria kidnapping the girls and make a big deal about that; but they omit that Boko Haram killed the boys... Feminist critiques of historical gendered laws often focus almost exclusively on the ways these laws restricted women’s freedom, autonomy, and economic opportunities, but they frequently overlook the corresponding burdens imposed on men. It is unfair to consider these laws as the inventio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 11:20 PM
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I think most men have more to offer than women really pay attention to. The fact that they don't observe or value the things that men offer doesn't mean they don't bring things of value. Women have unfortunately been sold a bill of goods when it comes to relationships and life generally. They don't even know what to look for in a long-term partner. Everything is focused on how you make them feel in the short term. Are you funny? Are you tall and handsome and make her heart flutter? etc. These ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:47 PM
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Why does your title supposedly contradict your thesis?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:40 PM
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Your title says: Alot of people arent attractive nor rich enough for the attitude they have. That implies that you think that some people are attractive and rich enough for the attitude that they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:36 PM
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More harshly by delusional feminists, but not most women. The most that can be said about them is they have "internalized misogyny." Almost none of the slander leveled at male MRAs stick to women. And the fact that there are women who care about these issues and see what men have to say gives credibility to the entire movement. If there were no women speaking, I would question it more even myself.
/r/MensRights03/12/25 10:31 PM
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I'm older than your age range, but feel free to message me.
/r/MensRights03/12/25 08:41 AM
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I think I remember what you're talking about. You're talking about Brandon and Jennifer Sheffield? It's very unfortunate, but it's not surprising to me that this happens, nor will it surprise me if the amount of this happening starts increasing. Modernity sees divorce as relatively minor thing. But, it's really not. People should be very hesitant to marry. Marital infidelity use to be punished severely, and it's not hardly punished at all anymore. The fallout from a divorce can be permanently li…
/r/RedPillWomen03/12/25 05:31 AM
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If NPD had a face.
/r/MensRights03/12/25 04:19 AM
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Liberal dating culture is a direct result of sex being separated from the consequences of children and STDs in the 1950s. People would not take that worldview seriously if those two things were still very real possible consequences of libertine behavior. Unfortunately, there's still invisible consequences that have longer term personal impact, and a broader impact on society as a whole. Liberal dating culture has overall been destructive for society. Sex is wonderful, and good. People should be …
/r/RedPillWomen03/12/25 04:10 AM
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You misunderstand women's actual position. They don't want to provide for someone else; they just want to not have to be dependent and able to be controlled. Edit: the downvotes are amusing. Pointing out that women don't want actual equality shouldn't be a controversial position here.
/r/MensRights03/12/25 01:28 AM
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Why is this not actionable? Getting relationship counseling is definitely actionable.
/r/RedPillWomen02/12/25 11:46 PM
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I understand that there's a difference, but in practice that's not how people treat it. And, also, why was there that difference in the first place? And why is it important, that men were the ones visibly in charge -- while their wives, mothers, and sisters, influenced them? Feminism posits that women were not in power because they were excluded and oppressed by men. This intentionally makes men seem abusive and at fault, rather than the fall-guy. There are many examples of hierarchical societie…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 11:45 PM
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The reason is that only female MRAs are taken with any seriousness. If it's a man, their opinion and view is immediately dismissed.
/r/MensRights02/12/25 11:20 PM
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Yes it does, or you wouldn't use a gendered term to describe it. The whole point of inventing that word and applying it is that men supposedly are responsible for it. There are plenty of other groups that use different phrasing for what feminists talk about. Nothing about how feminists talk actually allows them to identify and solve actual problems. Simply destroying the systems and institutions is just a recipe for disaster. And there's nothing in their language that would allow for the existen…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:27 PM
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You implied that depending on how attractive or rich you are, you're entitled to act differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:21 PM
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> The past treatment of people is horrible I don't believe this is broadly true. Life was tough. > society at least needs to not make the situation worse Agreed, but I don't think this is even necessarily true. We have one of the most unequal economies in history. It's simply not possible for most men to have families because we are being ground into dust.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:16 PM
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It actually is very important, because people point to legal discrimination without fully understanding the implied obligations on the other groups not mentioned. Framing is everything in this narratives. Almost all cultures discriminate expectations for men and women. In order for the society to be balanced and stable, they have to be equivalent. Over the last 80 years, we've removed a ton of laws, or added laws, to increase supposed equality. But in reality, we unbalanced our society. We left …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:08 PM
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A lot of this is also simple biology and evolutionary incentives. Some things have to be the way they are for the furtherance of the species. Men are more likely to protect their partner with their lives, than the reverse -- for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 06:59 AM
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I don't believe that. Even if it was 100% equivalent to a human, it still wouldn't be one. I have trouble believing I'd be able to trick myself into loving or caring for an AI.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 06:58 AM
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Thanks for "coming out." I'm sorry that this happened to you. And yeah, men and women are made to support each other in complementary ways.
/r/MensRights02/12/25 06:11 AM
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Some people may be able to; but for me it's not real enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 06:06 AM
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What? Nothing you said was particularly coherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 05:35 AM
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The framing of the argument implies that it makes sense to correlate the two at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 04:20 AM
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No, and that was my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 04:17 AM
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Attractiveness and attitude should be totally independent variables. Your argument implies that they should be somehow commingled. There's no good reason for that; and doing so just makes the world a less pleasant place to live in. "Begon peasant, you are not attractive enough to interact with me!"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 02:37 AM
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"You'll like to lie and manipulate data" No, I don't. Argument over. Go troll somewhere else, no serious person says this. Women as soon as men form an independent country:
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 02:35 AM
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It's not surprising that the gender war is going on. It's hard for me to say if it "should" be going on or not. Feminists have spent 80 years systematically vilifying men and using "The Patriarchy" as a scapegoat for all ills of the world. Men are just evil monsters that are just out to oppress and rape women at any and all opportunities. Homelessness? It's because of the Patriarchy! Lack of access to healthcare? Patriarchy! War? Patriarchy! Poverty? Patriarchy! Crime? Patriarchy! Men are at fau…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 02:32 AM
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Sure, but I genuinely believe that it's particularly hard for men to get it from women and less so the reverse. Women are not wired to empathize with adult men; and culture no longer encourages it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 01:45 AM
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Let's just go ahead and re-institutionalize slavery completely. Abolish the need for women to trap a man with a child, and just allow women to buy slaves directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 01:06 AM
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Let's actually define what discrimination is. It quite literally, is simply "to tell apart." It does not necessarily mean that there is a negative impact from having done that. A lot of the debates about discrimination would be more productive if we didn't automatically make "discrimination" something bad. For example, a lot of "antiracists" are arguing for discrimination. They tried to change the constitution of California several times to allow legal discrimination to favor certain groups. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 01:05 AM
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I guess you're correct. I was not aware that we brought that over from Europe. Glad they're gone. They make zero sense. Yes, I know what you meant about discrimination. and like you're saying, it didn't mean they didn't have access. Just usually stricter underwriting. They were allowed to discriminate, much like redlining. The nonsense about redlining is funny. I use to work for a PropTech company that did underwriting with a bunch of SJWs in it. They made us all listen to a talk about redlining…
/r/MensRights01/12/25 10:50 PM
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I totally believe those findings -- on average. Sex is much more satisfying when it's with someone you care about. One night stands are not that great. Some subset of people have a stranger fetish, and so for them it's going to be inverted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:57 PM
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Sure, maybe in Europe. There were never debtors prisons in the United States. Regarding discrimination. Yes, banks could legally discriminate, and it makes sense that they should be able to. Even today, various groups of people have a harder time getting underwritten simply because of their credit histories. The information they use is limited, but still results in disparate impact. No law is ever going to change that because you can't expect banks to loan money on bad terms. People have to reme…
/r/MensRights01/12/25 09:51 PM
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You're incorrect in assuming that I believe that men of all ethnicities have the same psychological proclivities. There's a wide difference between people who lived in areas with harsh winters for thousands of years, and people who ancestors lived where there was abundant fruit everywhere year around. But, I also believe that protection can take many different forms depending on the actual needs of the area. People will point to women in Afghanistan being confined to the home as oppression, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:41 PM
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Authority is a natural consequence of having responsibility. Separating the two leads to disasters.
/r/MensRights01/12/25 09:34 PM
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I've never heard this phrase before, but it is oh-so-perfect.
/r/MensRights01/12/25 10:53 AM
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Yes, before the 1960s. Why would a married woman need permission to open a savings account? And, how would anyone even know she's married if she didn't want them to? The stuff people believe about history boggles my mind. And while, it was true that the husband was responsible of the debt. That's still effectively true today if you're married to someone. I also don't think it's fair to say that the husband was responsible for the debt. The joint household was responsible for the debt. Letting a …
/r/MensRights01/12/25 10:41 AM
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I'll let them know. But, honestly, most incels don't accept feedback of any kind. They're already convinced of failure. You can't win the lottery if you're unwilling to buy a ticket.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:37 AM
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Rings attract more attention, and the wrong kind. "There must be something good here if he's married."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:29 AM
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Particularly because it was subordination by nature and necessity. Having children and raising them is a lot of work and precluded women from doing a lot of things. And men had to do those other things.
/r/MensRights01/12/25 10:10 AM
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That's not quite fair to say. There's women who have dealt with domestic violence today and historically. The rates have stayed pretty consistent over the last 100 years where statistics were actually available. I don't have any reason to believe that it was worse 300 years ago. A careful examination of history would show that it's basically never been the case that women were seriously oppressed or did not have sufficient legal rights. The only times that broke down was when an area was conquer…
/r/MensRights01/12/25 10:06 AM
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It makes no sense because group guilt makes no sense. But it further doesn't make sense because our foremothers were not oppressed by our forefathers. The history and laws are plainly available to anyone who wants to investigate feminist claims. It's easier than ever with LLMs. We have laws going back 6000 years in LLMs available for query. Life was rough, and women spent a lot of time pregnant and dealing with children. It wasn't until penicillin, birth control, home appliances, and air conditi…
/r/MensRights01/12/25 09:59 AM
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Married women had to get consent from their husband to open a bank account because marriage meant a shared legal identity. This is not even true for personal savings accounts.
/r/MensRights01/12/25 09:54 AM
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Yessir. They're always very disingenuous about their claims so that they can push for special privileges for women in modern day. Their entire coalition would fall apart if young women came to understand the truth about history. Organizations like N.O.W. have a vested interest in maintaining the lie because it's how they receive their funding. The war can never be won. "The Patriarchy" must always and forever be responsible for all that ails society.
/r/MensRights01/12/25 09:52 AM
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That's what chaperones were for. I use to chaperone my sister's dates by direction of my parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:39 AM
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It is not bad history, and that can debunked. Women were not literally "bought and sold" except in rare circumstances. The existence of dowry payments alone shows that isn't true -- a payment from the bride's family to the groom's new family. If the bride's family was the one that was paying, then how was she being sold?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:35 AM
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It is "extreme" but extremism is normative with women these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:31 PM
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I think that people should date a lot in their teenage years, but refrain from sleeping with people. You need to have this experience to learn how to interact with members of the opposite gender and stop seeing them as some kind of alien species. However, sleeping around can really set people off on the wrong track. My parents wouldn't really let me date, but there were quite a few girls who were interested in me. I ended up getting married to a very persistent woman at a young age. That was a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:27 PM
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You cannot derive an ought from an is. There's plenty of biological reasons for this that are unlikely to ever change. What changed for women is that pregnancy, and STDs, are no longer inexorably tied to sex. There was a technological advancement that enabled a big shift in society. Maybe AI automation will change things, but it'll change things by women no longer needing to select providers and instead only having sex with physically perfect men and the rest being selected out of the gene pool.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:11 PM
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This is like saying chimpanzees are not monogamous. Some chimpanzees clearly are, while others are not. There's no single gene that controls this, so they don't end up undergoing speciation. The same thing is basically true in humans, with some cultural influence thrown in for good measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:07 PM
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What? Why would RedPill (TRP) people address this? It's basically assumed as part of the ideology. It's just not something that men have to deal with. RedPill isn't about fixing society, it's about maximizing your ability to get laid. People keep acting like TRP is some male equivalent to feminism, and not just an agglomeration of common findings about pick-up artist "researchers." It's not some movement equivalent to Feminism. It's not even that accurate. These men basically have an avoidant at…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:04 PM
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I don't think that's necessarily true. There's a significant overlap between women choosing lesbianism and some sort of past trauma. Of the lesbians I've been personally friends with admitted they were actually bisexual, and specifically listed problems with men as reasons why they chose to date women exclusively. Trauma and attachment disorders can cause all sorts of relationship problems in adulthood. It would be hard to show conclusively either way. Correlation does not imply causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:56 PM
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Nah dude. They just get sneaky and vindictive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:43 PM
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I would overwhelmingly choose Peace. I want to be with someone I can sip coffee with when I'm old, and reminisce about our younger years. And, then hold hands and go for a stroll through the woods before eating breakfast together. Love and romance can be cultivated, but a woman who's hot and cold is just going to leave. And all of the breakups and drama are destructive towards my end goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:41 PM
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People rarely do not do what's optimal for them. They typically do what's best for them in the moment. Most people have very high time preferences and low ability to predict consequences. That's why we have thousands of years of debate on ethics. Every ethical model generally collapses to something equivalent to the Ten Commandments for having the least chance of severely negative outcomes. People should be statistical consequentialists.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:37 PM
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Yeah. I know a British guy who married and Indonesia woman and had to go through the Islamic equivalent of catachism. He pretends to be muslim. His wife knows he's not, but the family doesn't. He does all of the things when he's around their family, but thinks it's nonsense. I'm not sure he still is happy about doing that, because she turned out to be a miserable person generally and spending machine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:34 PM
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Of course they would. However, the irony is that if you study the origin of marriage is that we've returned to how things use to be -- and regained the consequences that caused the invention of formalized marriage. Back when people transitioned from hunter gatherers to farming, it started to be possible to accumulate wealth. And in those early societies, women started basically all sleeping with the same wealthy dudes, and then being discarded when she was older or if she pissed off her man. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:31 PM
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You're de-facto the best if you married as two virgins. There's plenty of "stags" around that eventually got turned into a cucks with that thinking. If I you cannot see the harm that the free love movement has done, I don't know what to tell you. There's all kinds of negative fallout. People want to talk about horrible marriages, but they fail to discuss the tragedies of the alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:54 PM
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I disagree. Feminism -- as a narrative -- has given women an excuse to behave in such ways. I very much think that some women have become much worse from being told that men are evil creatures seeking to oppress them. I very much support equality of the genders, but Feminism is so much more than that. It's comes with a historical narrative and imagery about the nature of man. It's almost like a religion in some ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:19 AM
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What other personality does a career woman have than her job? A trad wife is just a different job... I don't want my partner to not have a job. I just would prefer that certain things are handled by my partner while I'm at work, so we can spend quality time together when I'm not working. It makes life easier and less stressful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:16 AM
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Agree with all that stuff. And add: No four-horsemen. Use the "antidotes" No mocking or eye rolling. Don't treat him like a child. Try to focus on the positive and be encouraging. There's probably other stuff I'm not thinking of; but that's the big stuff. And, this goes both ways. Men shouldn't be doing this stuff to their partners either. As a man, I care much more about all these things in a relationship than if the woman "loves" me. A long term partnership isn't about infatuation. The Bible s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:58 AM
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If you pick a crazy woman, prepare to be patient and provide order. After all, you probably on some level want that wild energy. Sure, I agree. But, it's pretty difficult to do that when the sociocultural norm is to undermine men's perspective while validating poor behavior from women. It's not like you can put a poorly behaved adult woman in time out. If people are always telling women that they're always right, they will never get better. In-group bias for women is 4 times that of what it is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:10 AM
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It's hard to respect someone you don't admire, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about not talking down to him, actually listening and considering what he says, not raising your voice, no insults or put downs, honoring boundaries and commitments, etc. You can "love" someone, and still do all kinds of disrespectful things. For men, the respect portion is way more important than love.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:01 AM
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You're misunderstanding. A man wants respect in a relationship more than he wants love. It's very common for a woman to "love" her partner but be extremely disrespectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 01:28 AM
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All-or-nothing usually implies some sort of splitting. They're idealizing their partner at first, and then devaluing them later -- while in both cases failing to see the whole picture. As the receiver of this in multiple relationships, when they enter the devaluation phase they were overlooking all the things I was actually doing and hyper-focusing on the particular thing they wanted but didn't communicate. But, it wouldn't have mattered anyways, because the problem was with their own internal i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 01:22 AM
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Most people can't even define love, and yes men want respect more than they want love from a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:55 AM
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Just because some men can't get laid doesn't mean this is true. I lead in all my relationships and I choose them more more than they choose me. And it's not about my height or genetics, it's about developing yourself to be someone people want to date. Certainly not, but there's plenty of evidence for this historically and in modernity other than what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:30 AM
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If they don't have a that instinct, then why do they do it? And why are male children enamored with Hero's Journey narrative arcs? As for caring for women, I don't presently have anyone to care for. And it could be a variety of things. Working to be able to afford things my partner wants, cooking for them, giving them a back rub when they're sore. Having someone to provide for makes me feel like my work is meaningful and not just me being a "cog in the machine" waiting to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:26 AM
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. I don't expect women to have a natural instinct to protect men. I disagree that men don't care about women unless it impacts their ability to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:18 AM
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Most men have a natural instinct to protect women and children. I feel an emptiness in my life when I don't have a woman around to care for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:26 PM
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These things are connected.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:23 PM
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I don't really care how people view me, but I care how people treat me. That tells me how they value me. This depends on how they view you. This is your key to other opportunities in life. Sure, I have some hypothetical "intrinsic worth" but does it matter? There are many great things about me, but the only thing that people have really cared about is the fact that I could solve their problems. I have put up with endless abuse for being intelligent, for having a learning disorder, being short, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:21 PM
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"This is a man's world! I'm the victim!" lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:57 PM
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Yes. And in those relationships where I had that happen, I wasn't super healthy either. But, I'm taking the comment and complaint at face value and assuming he's giving direct quotes. Those vague direct quotes indicate a problem; and this kind of complaint is basically a trope it's such a frequent complaint. Do we need to turn things around on people? Nothing he does is going to save that relationship unless they both go to couples therapy to work on their own issues. When men bring up issues li…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:48 PM
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That seems so strange to me. I've always thrown out mine and buy new ones with whatever person I start dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:45 AM
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I don't disagree with you. However, I've heard all those specific examples the OP gave in some relationships. They're examples of very poor communication on a woman's part. They are indicative of catastrophizing and all-or-nothing thinking, and a few other cognitive distortions. There's really no being with someone like that unless they want to work on their communication patterns and how they view things. They probably have severe anxious attachment of some sort and do need to do some personal …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:40 AM
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It was OkCupid over 10 years ago. I shouldn't have responded, her bio was a single paragraph that was multiple pages. However, she was really gorgeous and claimed to have a fetish for intelligent men. I couldn't help but be curious and I wasn't have much luck with women who were more my speed. The second date was supposed to be dinner and a movie, but it turned out she was a hypochondriac vegan, so she insisted on going to get a bunch of vegetables and come over to my place instead of a theatre.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:33 AM
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Christina Hoff Summers is not some "random YouTuber." She use to teach philosophy at Clark University and has run a podcast called "The Factual Feminist" for years. She also wrote a best selling book called "The War Against Boys."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:02 AM
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I agree. I was being somewhat facetious because I don't think that there's any possibly world where men's libido and options become less than women's. It's a necessary condition for things to change, but that condition can never be created. The best I can do is to try to educate other men. I think men could hypothetically start exercising more restraint and wisdom. I do think that women will eventually start wisening up, because overall the situation does not really benefit them. They're optimiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:52 AM
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That literally happened to me. She did similar things twice before with different men and I warned her each time. She had the audacity to try to claim it wasn't a date because she wasn't interested in him -- she just wanted to experience a Cessna ride*.* Her friends validated that I was some abusive controlling monster, rather than checking her bullshit. I suspect she didn't give them a full picture on what she was actually doing. This is the kind of stuff that men are talking about. The whole p…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:44 AM
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If someone doesn't want to learn, that's a problem, and I specifically mentioned that. People need to be more open to sexual experimentation within a relationship. I remember an old post on "Ask Yahoo!" where a woman was complaining that her husband wanted her to wear a miniskirt. Like... come on. It doesn't hurt you to do a striptease -- be thankful your husband wants that. I think that Purity culture is really bad and antithetical to what should really be going on in a marriage. As for the oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:03 AM
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No, it is not just about women. But, we're talking about unrestrained female sexual impulsivity. Women are the gatekeepers of sex and dating norms. Women's choices are what has shifted the dating rituals over the last 80 years. People were sold the Disney fairytail view of matrimony, and it's impacting everyone. I think you should think about your own biases that make you immediately try to defend women and assume other people aren't reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:46 AM
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I understand what you're saying. None of what you're saying is relevant to my circumstances or what I'm talking about. In all cases there was a different disagreement going on and the women decided to weaponize jealousy in order to attempt to get their way in that argument. If a random stranger asks for your number at Costco, and then asks you to go out for a flight on his Cessna, and you accept without talking to me first, then that is a secret date. Relationship over. I will not be bullied int…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:40 AM
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I have mixed thoughts on this. I would like it to be fully legalized simply because then it would be easy to avoid them and cordon off those people from my dating life. The fact that it's illegal means there's always this weird dance when you text a woman who seems interested; and they use normal dating apps to solicit clients. Dating apps use to work to some extent, but these days the majority of matches are either bots or prostitutes being coy. I hate wasting days texting with someone only to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:05 AM
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People have all kinds of weird understandings about sex. At 40, I've slept with dozens of women. I've been repeatedly complimented on what I do. The thing is, I got that way because I was married very early to another virgin, and we experimented a lot. I got the opportunity for years to learn a woman's body intimately. And, every woman does not like the same things. A lot of women are very sheepish in bed and won't really tell you what they like. And, a lot of men won't listen even when they do.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:42 AM
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Boundaries are about what you accept from yourself and from other people. In a partnership, boundaries do extend to what kind of treatment you're willing to accept from the other party. It is a boundary that I do not accept cheating from my partner. My partner should submit to that if they want to stay in the relationship. Cheating, and all of the behaviors leading up to cheating, have been normalized culturally. And men who men who don't like those behaviors have been castigated. Another reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:16 AM
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In 2006, the phrase "Women earn 70 cents on the dollar for every dollar a man makes" started coming into cultural awareness -- at least for me. At the time, I considered myself a feminist, and so I was shocked when I heard about it in 2006. "That's atrocious and needs to be fixed! We need a law to fix this!" So I did some research. There was a follow up study done by CONSAD and commissioned by the Bureau of Labor. In 2006, it addressed that shocking statistic. I read the report, and it actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:06 AM
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Numerous feminists disagree with you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sKBMcLzRHY
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:28 PM
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Feminism allows women to be tradwives if they choose so. Sure, but we're talking about if people's natural inclinations lead them to make better life choices than what would be traditionally prescribed. We put poison out for bugs and animals that is very tasty to them, but it ultimately kills them. Yet, we don't understand as a culture that ideologies do the same thing to people. We hear some "brilliant ideas" that align with your natural inclinations, and so we devour it and make decisions base…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:25 PM
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Yeah. Men need to understand that these women are going to leave anyways after the credit card is maxed. And, then you have two problems. You're alone again, and in debt. I watched a 50 year old man absolutely demolish his life for a 25 year old woman a few years ago. He was a handyman, handsome, and fit. I let him do some work for me to try to help him with his bills. He had started using drugs again and did a shit job. I think he may have actually ended up killing himself because I haven't hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:14 PM
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I don't know, go talk to women that are happy in their marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:04 PM
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To take care of them and validate them. I've known of many cases where a woman is in a relationship and any time there is a disagreement they go over to their orbiters for validation and reassurance. Those people are not unbiased and give intentionally bad advice. Women in relationships have tried to use me for this a bunch of times. It makes it nearly impossible to establish respectful boundaries in a relationship when there is a choir of other men and some women telling your partner that she's…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:55 PM
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I'm not talking about being a SAHM. I'm talking about norms around dating and mutual respect in relationships. Respect manifests in behaviors. They also impacted men, but men weren't the ones demanding they be removed. You cannot expect men to be traditional with a person that is non-traditional. Women have clearly become less happy over time since surveys began to be taken. Just because women don't know that they're less happy than they would otherwise be, doesn't mean that it's not true. In fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:45 PM
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I think it's the reverse. I've never been validated on any of my unhealthy coping mechanisms, while I see that women are fairly consistently. There are all kinds of validation for women doing absolutely atrocious things in relationships. It's not fine to weaponize jealousy and sex to get your way in a relationship. What's unfortunate is that men are not typically taught good coping mechanisms for dealing with emotionally abusive partners. Things end up going to yelling or violence. It took me 13…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:38 PM
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Probably, but men will stick around anyways for various reasons and women can recover by learning to be more assertive. A lot of women start branch swinging. It's kind of funny to watch them go for the next doormat only to be unhappy yet again. I didn't have good ways to enforce boundaries in the past. I wish someone had taught me them 20 years ago. I wasn't a doormat, but I ended relationships that maybe could have been good. "Taking space" is important to learn when someone crosses severe boun…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:19 PM
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I agree. There's no much way to enforce boundaries in the modern age. What are you supposed to do, spank them? They like that too much. I did learn a technique that works awhile back called "Taking Space." You basically tell them you're not going to talk to them for a day on the first boundary violation, and proceed to hold to that. And a second one, two days. And, if they keep going you eventually just drop them. It's basically the only tool you have to enforce boundaries. "You decided to lie a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:13 PM
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Usually has to do with how much your bank balance is and if you're still willing to provide outlays for her spending habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:10 PM
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That's good, but I can assure you a lot of women bounce from relationship to relationship, or outright start cheating in one before it's formally over. I think the stats are around 70% for that now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:09 PM
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No it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:07 PM
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I'm not posting a picture of them. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:07 PM
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Here's one, and there's a whole series of articles about historical Jewish marriage. I'm sure you can find others for other cultures. https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/465163/jewish/The-Jewish-Betrothal-Kiddushin.htm https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/465168/jewish/What-Is-the-Ketubah.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:06 PM
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I don't see that as an a choice between being authentic or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:58 AM
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Literally nothing you say is contradicting the fact that women were seen as inferior to men and submitted to them legally. The fact that a man had legal obligations to his wife means that it isn't so simple as her "submitting to him." And with all the ancient literature from men complaining about their wives, it's pretty clear they found plenty of ways to be a pain in the ass. People were very clearly having the same kinds of marital problems they do today. I'm a Jew, women are subjected to men …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:56 AM
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You're interpreting all of this through a lens of modern propaganda. You seem to want to believe that men had some vastly divergent relationship to their wife than they do today. That's not the case. Men weren't in some kind of position as husband where they could just do whatever they wanted. There were all kinds of legal obligations that a man had to his wife, and would have to contend with her brothers and father if he didn't meet. In Judaism, which has the oldest surviving records, a man was…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:16 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:55 AM
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I don't know what history you're reading. I've actually studied the history of marriage at length. You're spouting nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:54 AM
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You're wildly uneducated on the history of marriage. You should actually go read before you regurgitate modern talking points that you've picked up by osmosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:53 AM
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This is blatantly false and contrary to all historical documents on marriage. Quit spouting modern propaganda. The oldest historical records on marriage have men selling themselves to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:52 AM
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Yep. Her friend group made it an issue, so she just decided to get it over with. She ended up in a shame cycle because of it. And I know of other women who have ended up in the same "trap." I think first sexual encounters are incredibly important and shape how we view and have sex for a long time afterwards. I think people should wait until they're with someone they truly love. I don't think people should be shamed for being a virgin at all, or not being a virgin. But, I do think waiting for an …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:50 AM
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I think that it's true that a significant portion of women have so many men lined up waiting, that they have little incentive to try to work on themselves for the sake of their existing relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:41 AM
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The idea that women are more in touch with their emotions is antithetical to my experience. Just because women demonstrate more emotionality doesn't mean they actually deal with them more effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:38 AM
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lmao. I got news for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:37 AM
0

Do you mean to say I'm not a man child if I don't wash the dishes immediately???
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:35 AM
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While I see the truth in this, setting boundaries properly is a more effective way to keep women. Women lose respect for doormats and leave anyways. You address one complaint, only for three more to arise. It's best to set boundaries early and maintain them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:32 AM
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Historically, there have always been a severe shortage of men due to much larger likelihood of male children dying from disease and in war. The lack of two X chromosomes cause a lot more men to be more fragile than women. It's also why there are 105 male children for every 100 female children, despite the odds predicting 50/50. It's only been recent history that men outnumber women. Polygyny over Polyandry was normative because of necessity. I don't think the status quo will be able to continue …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:30 AM
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At some point these women will wake to the fact that their behavior is not serving them. They are not happy with this situation either; although they will say otherwise. The path to "waking up", sadly, is continued pain. There were lots of social traditions that were in place to help women have meaningful and happy lives. Many of those traditions were put in place by women. We threw all of those things away in the 1960s. The problems have to fully re-emerge for a new consensus to form.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:18 AM
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Yup, and it's not. That's why people developed arranged marriages for their children historically. We're watching what happens when people behave on their animalistic urges, and it's ripping society apart. "Tradition is the solution to problems we forgot we had."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:12 AM
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Women even virgin shame other women now, which is absolutely terrible. A woman I dated previously was shamed into a tinder hookup where she ended up being brutally raped in a hotel room. It was consensual at first, but took a dark turn. It really screwed with her perception of sex for years; I don't know if she'll ever recover. She'd have severe panic attacks during normal sex with me and literally go hide in my closet cowering. Prior to meeting me she had continued to put herself in really dang…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:08 AM
2

Clearly rape if he lied about not voting for Trump... 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:03 AM
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There is such a thing as authentic self, but her example doesn't equate with rape. There's no such thing as ever fully knowing someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:02 AM
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You're moving into dangerous territory by calling that rape if you expect people to take rape seriously. I think rapists should be publicly executed, and I don't think that deserves public execution.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:00 AM
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That's not true. I know of multiple women who are very unattractive physically who have won men over by other means. One particularly attractive guy had this overweight and unattractive woman who kept coming to our work to drop food off for him. I was surprised to find out that they eventually got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:57 AM
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Why is this strange when men are shamed for being a virgin by men and women alike? A man's value both culturally and evolutionarily is judged by their ability to persuade a woman to let him deposit sperm.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:52 AM
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I'm happy for you, and do what works for you by all means. You seem like you're a reasonable person who is likely treating those men with respect, but they have some insecurity. It doesn't sound like they were intimidated though. And, I don't think that's the norm, or the right description, based on my experiences. If you want to take me on a date, and pay, then I would be happy with that. I'm not intimidated by successful women. I have no reason to be. I have a single female friend who's a math…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:49 AM
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If that works for you, great. Did you brag about how much money you make on your first date and put down all the past guys you've dated for not out-earning you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:55 AM
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I don't know what specific interactions you've had with men. I can only talk from how I view the subject. I don't factor in a woman's degree much into if I want to be with them or not. That's not the same thing as not being interested or valuing that part of a person. It just isn't a good of indicator of what kind of a partner a woman will be. And, in many cases it seems to be a negative indicator. Women with PhDs who I have dated are typically "Type A" personalities, and want to be competitive …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 11:59 PM
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I don't personally factor in a woman's career much into my choice if I'm going to date her or not. That's not the same thing as not caring. I have dated women who have varying levels of education including PhDs. It's been my experience that the more educated a woman is, the more like it is she has "something to prove." That does not bode well for relationships. I do not want to be in a competition with my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:56 PM
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I think it's a good thing that men would get. Condoms are pretty miserable and the only real option for men right now. I can't have an orgasm when using a condom, and it's also hard to find condoms that fit right. Normal condoms are much too small for me and rupture often, while magnum condoms are too big. They also don't really work well if you have intact foreskin -- even with proper use. There's like 1 brand of condom that actually works for me and I had to get them at a specialty shop or onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:31 PM
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It's my understanding that it's currently used in other countries than the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:19 PM
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You can be gracious without being merciful. And, what does this post of yours even imply? What does it mean to stop being gracious with these people? Do you want to send them to the gulag? It's difficult for me to understand what your plan to "fix things" actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:18 PM
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I don't support using other people in this way; and I don't think it ends up well for the person doing the using. I did some of this for a while at the recommendation of other people; and it helped me in some ways, but it also left scars on my soul. Just, learn to make friends out of any woman. Friendzone them all. You would be surprised how much their interest in piqued by getting friend zoned. "I'm supposed to be the one that friend zones everyone!"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:12 PM
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Thanks for saying that. My hope in writing and sharing is that other people might benefit from my experiences in some way. I see the social fabric falling apart, and I'd like to see that end and for people to come together more. I think you're right that Lilith is just a troll. The fact that her name invokes the demonically corrupted female archetype is a big tip off. She's around to spread chaos and disinformation. The word "Satan" means accuser, and that's what she is. I would be willing to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:06 PM
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The second lawyer is hers. Prenups require each party to have a lawyer, and their presence implies it wasn't signed under duress. Don't get married if you think a prenup won't fly. Personally, I won't get married to anyone who isn't able to be measured enough to negotiate a prenup. I use to be relatively wealthy, and women pulled all kinds of manipulation trying to get money I had. You have to use your big head, not your little head. That said, I do think women deserve something after a split up…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:56 PM
1

Nobody cares about your rationalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:30 PM
1

That doesn't fly so easily. You need to be pointing a gun at her head or something. That's why you get two lawyers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:12 PM
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It's pretty easy not to make mistakes on a prenup. You draft it, and get two lawyers for $300 each to advise and sign it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:48 PM
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She missed that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:18 PM
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That's why you get a prenup that outlines responsibilities in the relationship, exit conditions, and what people leave with should a separation need to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:17 PM
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Quit rationalizing the disparity between male and female reproductive rights. Nobody cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:12 PM
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So, can Plan B cause an abortion? Yes, it is possible. Science literature has long affirmed that pregnancy begins when the sperm fertilizes the egg. As the FDA states, one of the ways Plan B can work is by preventing implantation after fertilization. This means the pregnancy has begun, but Plan B prevents implantation in the uterus, resulting in termination of pregnancy. https://waterleafwc.org/can-plan-b-cause-an-abortion/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:24 AM
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Uh, What? Plan B is taken without knowledge of pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:38 AM
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Then don't get married. There's a reason why we've only had one president that was unmarried.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:03 AM
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I'm not sure what you're saying. Most of these people are internally miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:26 AM
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What a silly response. What do you even want to see? A list of posts bashing men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:56 AM
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It catches up to them eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:48 AM
2

lmao what about what in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:20 AM
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A lot of women are financial burdens, that's true. But a good one makes life easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:01 AM
3

Not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:23 AM
4

Not meaningful. Men don't give birth and won't have custody of the child to do this in case where a woman has intentionally trapped them into an unwanted pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:44 AM
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Contraception won't matter because these people are literally having babies for the money they receive. I bear no ill will to the kids of these individuals, but we need a better welfare system. I highly support a UBI so that people can actually start working without losing benefits. The welfare cliff really demotivates people. https://www.yesigiveafig.com/p/part-1-my-life-is-a-lie
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:02 AM
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A woman who knows her bears. Hello there. *wink wink*
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:33 AM
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She is not on the hook for child support if she does safe surrender. A male equivalent of this is all that's being asked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:32 AM
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You're probably right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:12 AM
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Yup, and this needs to change somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:11 AM
1

I guess I should start dressing up as a black bear for dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:09 AM
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What's the best way to meet a Purple Pill woman? I'm looking for an experienced woman with nuanced thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:08 AM
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I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be debating? I'd agree to all of that assuming that it also comes with your "natural" not being having sex with other people and potentially exposing me to life threatening diseases, or having to support another man's children. Feel free to dm me. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:05 AM
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Laws, and court rulings, have changed in this particular areas substantially over the years. People still have the older way things were handled in our collective memory. Getting half is fair. A marriage is a partnership women support their husbands in important ways that enable them to be successful. It's hard to truly build wealth and be successful when you're alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:02 AM
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Probably not much. But it's an important option for men to have when someone steals the condom out of the bathroom trashcan.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:45 AM
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I can understand how you'd read it to mean that I think women are protecting female predators because they like them. Not really my direct intent, but I also do think that there's some of this going on. I have been assaulted by women on a few rare occasions, and one in particular case I had to try to get a restraining order against a woman. A female lawyer who was the barrister for the court stepped in to defend her for free despite there being overwhelming evidence of the woman's insanity. She …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:34 AM
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It'd probably need to be more than that to hold up in court. Would probably have to get it notarized and served. Which, I'm fine with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:21 AM
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There could be many motivations. The fact remains, that when people engage in the kind of rationalizing that the OP points out, their goal is something other than equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:02 AM
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You don't need to know that the woman is actually pregnant to express intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 01:57 AM
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I didn't say that they "love them." But, the fact remains that they fight against any legal measures to deal with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 01:39 AM
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Yes, and that's what honest signaling is for. Both to minimize lying, but to also ensure the woman is compensated should something go awry. You cannot fake a 100K bond. If people are thinking of having kids, at least enough money should be put up for what it would cost to have a surrogate. The legal and financial ramifications should be set up in a way that make sense for both people. This kind of stuff use to be normative. It fell out of favor after the 60s free love movement. It's hard to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 01:37 AM
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The part of your argument that I addressed was your omission of key facts and circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:35 AM
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You're ignoring the fact that women can abdicate responsibility while still producing a child, even if that option is not commonly used.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:33 AM
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You're looking at the cases that don't really matter. The harm is done to men in other situations which they currently cannot get out of. There's quite a few cases of women using sperm from condoms after sex to get pregnant and those men are still legally obligated to provide child support. There was also a case in Texas (I think) where a woman wrapped her legs and arms around a guy who had recently became rich from crypto so he couldn't pull out. One of my ex-girlfriends went off her birth cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:26 AM
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This is the only reasonable argument I've ever heard on this subject from a woman. I think it should have to be done within the first month of pregnancy. However, I don't believe that it would happen all that much. The real goal of implementing this policy is to get rid of the industry of baby-trapping men. You wouldn't see a lot of this, because the women who do this kind of thing in the first place would lose their incentive to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:21 AM
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This stuff will go round-and-round until women start holding men accountable to provide honest signals of intent before sex. That's what an expensive ring is for. Almost every culture historically has required a man to provide some kind of non-forgeable signal of intent prior to sex. In some societies there's special currency specifically used for "purchasing" a wife that a man must do a bunch of work to obtain prior to marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:18 AM
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Cool, let's use that logic to ban abortions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:09 AM
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Or lie about being on birth control; which has happened to me a couple times. Thankfully no pregnancy resulted. The reality here is that there's a pretty sizable portion of women who have learned they can make a good living by having babies. That industry would cease to exist overnight if paper abortions became a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:08 AM
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The circumstances around safe surrender are not different from a paper abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:06 AM
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Calling surrogates "reproductive technology" is such a modern thing to do. Those Mexican women are humans. There are laws given women more rights than men in this area. You're choosing to ignore them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:04 AM
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Safe surrender laws exist and are the core basis of the argument, not abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:03 AM
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The fact that scenarios exist for women where they can abdicate responsibility, and a child is born, means that there should be similar avenues for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:02 AM
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and would also be subjected to financial support This is false. If a woman abandons a child, her obligation to support that child in most situations does not exist. It becomes a ward of the state and the rest of us have to pay for it. If she keeps the child, she starts getting material handouts from the government. This needs to stop. The only way for it to stop, is to start allowing men to abdicate responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:01 AM
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I have 10 aunts and uncles. 8 of those children were born after the government instituted $400/month payments to poor people with children. "Don't feed the bears" applies here. There is a reason why only the very rich and very poor are reproducing. The very poor are not using that money to care for their children, but to fund their own nails, hair, alcohol, and cigarettes. I'm saying this as someone who came from that system. I wouldn't have been born without it, but that may have been for the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:59 PM
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You're 100% right. This has nothing to do with children and everything to do with the fact that if men could abdicate responsibility, then women would have to take more responsibility for their own actions. The only people such a policy would really impact are the women who make a career out of being babymommas. They would no longer be able to do that. That's where the opposition truly comes from. The sisterhood protects these female predators tooth and nail.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:55 PM
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Divorce is expensive. And, it works for a lot of women in the Bay Area. What's your argument anyways? Don't try to have a good relationship because I might be left? Abuse your husband so he doesn't leave? Living in fear has a way of making that fear come true. Be more specific. MacKenzie Scott got a pretty damn good deal. And to be honest, she's way more attractive than Jeff Bezos' new gal. I highly doubt Jeff left her for "variety" given he's now remarried. He could be having sex with a new wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:44 PM
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I'd take my risks as a woman. Given that my little captivated nerd is going to massively supplement my income, I don't care much. I might even set him up on some supervised dates so he gets it out of his system without any emotional connection forming. 😈
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:36 PM
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Doubtful. More likely they have no real experience with grizzley bears. They're just cute animals like dogs!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:33 PM
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Seriously... And the biggest irony of this is that in almost all cases where I've had female friends recounting bad experiences with men, they put themselves into exceedingly dangerous situations where I would not have gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:32 PM
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Women know basically nothing about grizzley bears. They're just cute animals. Not dangerous at all...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:28 PM
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There are three types of empathy. Cognitive empathy, affective empathy, and compassionate empathy. Women score higher on affective empathy and compassionate empathy. They have worse cognitive empathy, and significantly worse when it comes to having it for men. A lot of women tend to have basically no actual understanding of men and how they feel. They can only recognize immediate emotional expressions. And, for many women that results in feelings of contempt and disgust. Men are expendable, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:26 PM
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The "fear men" and "The Patriarchy" seeks to oppress us is antithetical to male biology. Men overwhelmingly have a biological drive to serve and protect women. I get where it comes from, and a healthy suspicion is good. But, a man in a suit saying "good morning" on the street isn't someone who's going to attack you. Likewise, a man asking for a lunch date is likely safe. In like 99% of the cases I've heard where women had something bad happen to them by a man, they were putting themselves in a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:18 PM
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I just laughed at this stuff, and took it to mean women know very little about bears.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:01 PM
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Nope. I don't generally get upset at all about it. "Not my circus, not my monkeys." If there's actually something going on, I may get involved after investigation. Depends on the situation. Most of the time, someone else getting involved will just make things worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 10:59 PM
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That's a very oversimplified view of why men cheat. They can be "happy" with their marriage, but missing things like emotional connection. The most reported reasons for cheating are lack of emotional connection, and sexual dissatisfaction. Desire for novelty is down on the list. Others are validation, and feelings of neglect. Most of the reasons for cheating can be handled with regular honest check-ins. Most men are not serial cheaters. Particularly not the shy shorter ones. Even if they were so…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 10:22 PM
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It certainly not a 100% rule, but it's good rule of thumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 10:00 PM
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No, but I'd keep an eye on your behavior and the other persons. Overwhelmingly, people going around calling people narcissists or toxic suffer from the symptoms themselves. "It takes one to know one." In the overwhelming number of cases where I've seen this these accusations hurled at someone, it was the person doing the accusation that was in the wrong and projecting. It is very common for abusers to DARVO. Accusations need to come with clear examples and evidence of what was done.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 09:58 PM
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I don't believe men are so callous; I certainly am not. And, who said I'm not super hot because I take care of myself as well? Regardless, I'd still have a nice chunk of money set aside from his earnings should that happen. In my social circles, men don't typically leave a woman who respects, cherishes, and encourages them. Men are not looking to "upgrade" if they have what is good and stable. They leave for other reasons. I've dated women who have attempted to do what I recommended. However, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 09:51 PM
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"When you point a finger there are three fingers pointing back at you." The people running around calling others toxic are making a statement; just not the one they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 09:32 AM
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They don't know what men really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:39 AM
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I would find a very intelligent man, who's a bit reserved, with some clear intrinsic motivation, that gets overlooked by other women. Someone around 5'8", and maybe a bit scrawny. That way, I know he's "good enough" and likely to be all mine. Then I'd start investing in improving the other characteristics I'd like to have by encouraging him and praising him a lot. I'd start making sure he eats healthy food, and going to the gym. And, I'd help him find better jobs and get promoted by making frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:38 AM
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These men are making jokes and would get bored with the doll pretty quickly. I have trouble believing there's much market for it. Men desperately need emotional support, respect and recognition, trust, partnership, and affection. You can't get those from a doll. But then again, you can't get most of those from women anymore either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:05 AM
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Meaningless without knowing more about you. The reality is that not every man can get what he wants no matter how hard he tries. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:53 AM
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Very wrong. Men and women experience motivation significantly differently; and have different reasons for performing. Men's primary goal as a human male, is to find a woman to procreate with. That's intrinsic to men. Everything men do is ultimately towards this goal. When a goal feels hopeless men give up and stop trying. Society has become more and more female coded; and of particular importance the areas of motivation. Additionally, women value intrinsic external characteristics far more valua…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:47 AM
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You can stop some people from being dumbasses, and every woman who doesn't behave like a dumbass has an immediate impact in reducing negative the social outcomes. The reverse is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:11 PM
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Sounds like NPD. Don't be her narcissistic supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:24 AM
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Yeah. I've ran into guys in social groups that were serial womanizers and abusers. There's not much you can do about it though except try to warn the women you see with them. I can tell from watching how men interact with women; but women often seem oblivious to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:37 AM
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Says absolutely nothing about the relative ideologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:15 AM
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There is no "manosphere." It is a label for a bunch of different heterogenous groups. You can choose to personify it if you wish, but it's a severe misunderstanding what what's going on. There's very little overlap between what MTGOW, MRAs, and Red Pillers say or talk about. The rest of your comments about the actual game theory of how fatherlessness happens indicates you're not thinking deeply about the issue. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:49 AM
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There's definitely foreign government influence as well. Minimally the Muslim Brotherhood has all kinds of entanglements with the western feminist movement. But there's also plenty of evidence that soviet Russia was pushing narratives within the US. China also has all kinds of presence on college campuses through the Confucius Institute. Though, I don't think they were involved with intersectionality all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:45 AM
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You seem to not understand game theory at all. Talking to you is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:42 AM
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Maybe understand the game theory. If a 304 is sleeping with 10 guys and none of them use birth control, she gets pregnant. If the same 304 sleeps with 10 guys and 8 of them have vasectomies and use condoms, she still gets pregnant by one of the remaining 2. There are no stopping dumbasses. If a women want to stop unwanted pregnancies, it's ultimately on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:41 AM
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If you want to hyper-focus on particular men exercising free speech, that's on you. It doesn't make it a position of the "manosphere." There is no "manosphere" in any kind of organized sense. MRAs, RedPillers, Incels, and Traditionalists aren't in cahoots. They have wildly varying views on things. And I will go back to this point on the complaint: If a 304 is sleeping with 10 guys and none of them use birth control, she gets pregnant. If the same 304 sleeps with 10 guys and 8 of them have vasect…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:40 AM
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Post-feminism will be Islam. If you don't want that outcome, the next logical step is to stop validating that men have historically been in an adversarial relationship with women. Feminism is historical negationism and its purpose is to stoke anger for the purpose of motivating action. None of the supposed advances of feminism would be possible without the invention of the Birth Control Pill and penicillin. Women were not being systematically oppressed any more than men were being oppressed. Hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:33 AM
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My actions and words? Where are my actions not matching my words. I'll fix one or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:52 PM
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You have a very bizarre view of men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:48 PM
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Sure they do. But you're missing the fact that if men as a group started being less promiscuous and more apt to use condoms, it has very little impact on the actual rates of fatherlessness. If a 304 is sleeping with 10 guys and none of them use birth control, she gets pregnant. If the same 304 sleeps with 10 guys and 8 of them have vasectomies and use condoms, she still gets pregnant by one of the remaining 2. It would take 100% compliance of men to have any significant dent on the problem. Whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:44 PM
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I don't think that's true at all. But, it's also not super relevant to stopping the actual problem. One dumbass can get 15 women pregnant with different children. To actually stop the problem of bastard children, women start needing to be more selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:34 PM
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I feel like men are not being given clear instructions. Women do want to be approached naturally and treated like human beings. If it seems like you're just there to try to fuck them, then of course they don't really like that most of the time. It is possible to just walk up to people and say "Good afternoon, my name is Bob. I couldn't help but notice you, can we talk for a bit?" This is rarely going to get some kind of hysterical response. If you make it about the goal of sleeping with someone,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:30 PM
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Bupkis. This is talked about all the time, and men are constantly warned about the damage it can do to their lives as well as the child. If you're going around looking at PUA forums, sure they won't talk about it. The manosphere is larger than TheRedPill subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:26 PM
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Yet, I didn't claim it was the majority of the difference. Good luck finding actual statistics that would give you a direct number.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:22 PM
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> Women dating men who are 30+ (but not married to or living with them) Thanks for reiterating what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:56 PM
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Yes. There's always heterogeneity within a population, but generally they value family a lot more, they look youthful longer, and they eat a healthier diet if they weren't born here. They also value a man's intelligence and kindness a lot more than the average American women. Also, many of them have the "cross-race effect" -- all white men look very similar to them. I've gotten all kinds of funny complements from them about looking like celebrities I look almost nothing like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:53 PM
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People have their heads in the sand about how hostile things have become to young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:20 AM
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That's because they also have feminist epistemology that allows them to just decide whatever they want regardless of actual truth value.
/r/MensRights24/11/25 07:57 AM
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So you're saying that 15% of women are just Lesbians, but 15% of men are not gay?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:35 AM
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bu..buu..buutt feminism is just about promoting equality and rights for both genders.
/r/MensRights24/11/25 05:01 AM
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That sounds like someone with autism or something. Not really fair to generalize that to "men."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:34 AM
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Not to mention that acts of service actually reinforce positive emotions for the person benefiting. Removing opportunities for people to do things for you actually makes it more likely they'll think worse of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:32 AM
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Why do you think labor specialization is a bad idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:26 AM
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Not to mention men still work more hours outside the home and bring in significantly more money. But sure, let's start a war inside our own homes, with our own partners, over 4 hours of chores a week. Good way to ruin something good.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:12 AM
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Here
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:07 AM
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lmao. And, the thing is that women think that men don't literally have very different brains, and are just being lazy and unhelpful. Real sexual dimorphism is a driver of a lot of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:05 AM
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Funny you should say Lion's share. Female lions are the primary hunters, while male lions primarily lay around waiting to defend the pack. Maybe we should introduce them to feminism so their lazy bones husbands start bringing home food for the cubs. Some things are sexual dimorphisms in humans as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:01 AM
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First, women have almost always worked throughout history in some capacity or another. There was a short period of time in the United States, thanks to the Bretton Woods agreement, and advances in technology, that women had an abundance of free time. Second, there's real biological differences that drive this difference in housework. Men are more tolerant of disorder in general. Just because women started working outside the homestead isn't going to magically change men's physiology. Humans are …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:52 AM
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The statistics don't bear these numbers. The single rate of 30-49 would then be favorable for men but women still report less single rate. Not necessarily true due to population sizes, and women in their thirties still date older.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:24 AM
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There's probably some of that, but women are also dating older. The average age gap for relationships started widening again a few years ago after many years of it shrinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:22 AM
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Did someone say it does?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:22 AM
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I've been all over. Visited about 15 countries or so. Czechia was nice. The women all smiled at me. Didn't ever really get a chance to really talk to any though. I worked with some women from Hungry who were very down to earth who seemed like I'd get along with. I also have gone to Mexico. That wasn't much better than here where I went. Thailand was a breath of fresh air. Went on a lunch date with a Filipina there for work who was great. Some Japanese women wanted to take pictures with me. Some …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:20 AM
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Yeah, but there's not much to be done about it. Women have been sold a pack of lies. I'm working on leaving the country, but I'm not sure where I'm headed yet. I traveled for work extensively a few years back, and it was shocking how different it was. Went on a few dates here or there, and women actually smiled and had normal conversations with me. They didn't behave like I was about to murder them. American women are aggrieved over a laundry list of propaganda they've consumed. I want to be tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:39 AM
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Sure, I agree. But, then who are the 18-29 year old women dating then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:24 AM
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Feel free to offer your own explanation. According to Gemini: Ages 18-29: Men are more likely to be single (63%) than women (34%). Ages 30-49: The gender gap narrows, with singlehood levels similar or slightly higher for women in some studies, such as 31% for women and 29% for men in the 50-59 group. Ages 50-64: 28% of men and 30% of women were single. Ages 65 and older: Women are more likely to be single (39%) than men (25%). In one study, 51% of women 65 and older were unpartnered compared to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:06 AM
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Not sure that it's "most" but yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:04 AM
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Why are you projecting your grievance with other men on me?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:31 AM
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Depends on the social circle, but yeah women in their 20s are dating older men more often now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:17 AM
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Are you upset because someone you wanted to date is stuck in the past? Like, what's going on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:15 AM
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I feel like you're minimizing men's experiences. It's usually not some isolated incidence that creates these men. They just may hyper-focus on one, while there's reinforcement of that in a lot of different ways. There's usually something that went on with their mother, and continues on in other experiences throughout life. The nature of trauma and trauma responses is quite complex. What's your point precisely other than bashing men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:29 PM
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Stories in what context? Men don't really trauma dump in the way that women do. It usually results in a negative reaction from other people. I don't personally want sympathy anyways. Though, it would be nice to be understood. Any time I've told a woman what's happened to me, they eventually start throwing it in my face when they're upset. I was actually raised in a cult, have a mild learning disorder, and my mother physically and emotionally abused me. My father wasn't much better. She tried to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:21 PM
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They're partially organic. Memes that don't have an ecological niche can't spread. The social shifts from birth control pills and penicillin were huge, and basically enabled every horror afterwards. Are you familiar with Colttaine?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:05 PM
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It's not really a conspiracy theory. Intersectionality took over where class warfare failed. Rather than stopping to think if people really needed communism at all, it was morphed into a monster.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:06 PM
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There's always some hint of this regardless of gender if there's a power differential. It's important for everyone to stop seeing relationships in terms of power if they wish to maintain a healthy and stable life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:58 PM
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Yeah. It's kind of the illusion of choice, because there isn't that many more men though. Our brain just doesn't process it correctly. It's a big part of men's complaints in major areas where industry is male dominated like the Bay Area. There's inverse effects on women who are attending college that is now 2:1 single women to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:45 PM
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There's actually some interesting studies on human sexual preferences relative to demographics. Their selectivity is non-linearly correlated with relative availability. One study I read many years back had found that if the number of single men outnumber the number of single women 2:1, women become four times more choosey rather than twice as choosey. It ends up leading to more of them remaining single.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:23 AM
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lmao. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Further question. When you rout the Lalubk empire, what do you do with the women who were living in their harems?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:04 AM
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That's because there's a divergence in the meaning of words people are using. Cold approaching works, but it's got to feel like it isn't a cold approach. "Hey, excuse me, do you know where the nearest coffee shop is?" Proceed to carry on a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:33 AM
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You disagree that men are socialized to provide for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:44 AM
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Sure, but I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to elaborate on. Can you ask some more specific questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:39 AM
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Men aren't trained to see it that way. Providing for the woman you love is just part of the job of being a decent male partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:16 AM
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Yes, however there's a difference between reciprocal and transactional. If one party thinks they're selling slit, and the other thinks they're obtaining a partner, then there's a mismatch in expectations. It's actually quite easy for this to happen because the whole subject is taboo.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:56 AM
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Have you heard of the concept of the `short-side rule`? In any transaction, the short-side rule highlights that what actually happens depends on the more limited party’s willingness or ability to proceed. Even if one side is highly motivated, enthusiastic, or fully prepared, the transaction cannot exceed what the more constrained side offers—whether that constraint is time, resources, interest, or consent. This maps cleanly onto intimate decisions as well: regardless of one partner’s desire, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:52 AM
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In order for things to change, women would start having to have a higher sex drive than men and also less biological repercussions. It's errant to say that men have significant influence over sexual norms. Women are on the "short-side" position, and thus enforce the norms. As enforcers of norms, it's not shocking that people complain when they don't do that job.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:15 AM
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I've never really heard men be praised for casual sex. There's definitely a mix of positive and negative feelings about it, but that doesn't mean it's praised. The man must have "something" of value to be getting play though. I don't think that the current climate around sex will last indefinitely. It inherently destabilizes society through destabilizing individual lives. Most of the historical norms around sex were by women, and for the benefit of women. There's already been more and more opini…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 02:56 AM
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Often times men aren't aware they're getting themselves into the situation. It's called turning a trick for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 02:39 AM
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Women do not get to have their cake and eat it too. Women who attempt to do this end up with exploding cake in their face. You can't cheat karma.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 02:36 AM
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Out-group homogeneity has very little to do with literally seeing. It's about traits you attribute to individuals based on their membership in a group that you're not part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:20 PM
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That's a manifestation of out-group homogeneity, not a fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:05 PM
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Love bombers do genuinely like their vision of who the person is. They're just in love with a mirage. Understood more broadly, it signals that devaluation and discard are likely to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:01 PM
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There's a difference between "necessary" and "sufficient."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:57 PM
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There are many, and legitimate, reasons why a man would not want to be settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:56 PM
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Lots of things go against human nature. It's very natural to gorge yourself on food at every opportunity. Living a good and healthy life always requires varying degrees of restraint. "As for sexual intercourse, it is the friction of a membrane and, following a sort of convulsion, the expulsion of some mucus." - Marcus Aurelius
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:32 PM
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I think the real issue is that people can't recognize "perfect." Nobody really knows if they have the best available person or not. "The grass may be greener" is a source of much heartache.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:28 PM
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I agree with everything you said except for the insincere part. Love bombing is a consequence of splitting). They are very much genuinely enamored. It just doesn't last.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:18 PM
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It's only a turn-on to a person if they're desperate for attention and don't understand what that attention is actually signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:15 PM
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I agree with you. I just also want to point out that while it's a manipulation tactic; it's not necessarily a conscious manipulation tactic. Love bombing is usually a net negative for the people who do it in adulthood. People do it because it's an extension of what they were taught as a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:13 PM
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I would be shocked if there wasn't a positive correlation with avoidant attachment and attractiveness. But, I also would be surprised if it was a high correlation. What you're describing is anxious vs avoidant attachers. There's really two different "worlds" in the dating market. People with secure attachment styles, and then the perpetually single people who can't attach well and have toxic relational patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:10 PM
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Not quite sure what point you're making. Love bombing is one diagnostic criteria of some behavioral disorders. It's part of the idealization/devaluation cycle. It's best to avoid those people regardless of what they look like, because abuse is soon to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:02 PM
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This. I grew up in a conservative household, and got married and divorced young. I thought hookups were a net negative for a number of reasons: stds, pregnancy, potential for getting involved with a toxic person. Yet, I went and had some hookups after being pressured into it by therapists, and friends. I felt the way that you describe. I was two-minded about it. On one hand, I felt like I wasn't a valuable person because I wasn't getting laid. On the other hand, I didn't really see the point and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 08:59 PM
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Stop importing infinity immigrants and maybe workers would be able to negotiate better wages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkXhx9wIbio
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:47 PM
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Woman incapable of seeing cause and effect. News at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:46 PM
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"Sorry, they will be issued a husband upon entrance." lmao. Regardless, the present fact is that illegal immigration is 90% male right now both in Europe and America. This has all kinds of negative consequences leftie women wish to be blind to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:44 PM
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I think actual fetishization is extremely rare. White women don't want to admit that asian women are simply and generally more attractive in multiple ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:38 PM
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Hard truths every man needs to hear. Things will rebalance over time because genetics don't change nearly as fast as the épistémè can change. Probably not in our lifetime though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:34 PM
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lmao. Women should avoid men who are engaging in transactional relationships. That pattern of behavior necessarily manifests in all kinds of other negative relationship characteristics. The whole relationship will be about scorekeeping. But, I think there's something deeper here regarding the person complaining about -- in the modern age -- men spending money on women. Seems like she's very focused on what material benefit she obtains from having a man around; rather than the other more importan…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:24 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/AmIOverreacting/comments/1oxj9g0/aio_for_breaking_up_with_my_girlfriend_over/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:56 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/AmIOverreacting/comments/1oxj9g0/aio_for_breaking_up_with_my_girlfriend_over/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:55 PM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 03:33 AM
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By the time the "type" of woman we're discussing wakes up, the men she wants have better options.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:56 AM
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A lot of it is about control. They recognize it. They'll never acknowledge it because it's intentional emotional manipulation and abuse. I've ran into a few women that pull this stuff, and they'll mostly try to gaslight you about it if you call it out. Women, largely, do not end up in situations where they are truly forced to confront their shadow. Most people don't do it intentionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:54 AM
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The point is about archetypes. It doesn't matter if it's literally the same people or not. And you're ignoring his incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:44 AM
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Sure, but this is overly simplistic. It's not as if every woman in college is out getting a train ran on her by the football team every weekend. BPD women should not be the metric by which you judge reality. Being "beta" is largely a choice. It's valuing sex more than your dignity. You can be short and ugly, and stick up for yourself. You can be tall and handsome, and let yourself be walked all over. Women treat you how you allow them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:27 PM
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Sure, it's fine for a woman to change her priorities over time. But, that doesn't change the fact that often these priorities often change after a women's beauty has begun to fade, and after a slew of decisions that demonstrate a lack of planning or foresight. A woman's role in a man's life is to support and encourage him while he's running the race (and the inverse is also true, but we're talking about women). Now, imagine you're a hard working but awkward guy studying to be a brain surgeon. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:21 PM
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To some extent. But, it's like reading a book on martial arts and then thinking you can fight. It takes real practice with someone. According to the psychologists I've read, in order to deal with a disorder like BPD or NPD, you need roughly 5 friends who are willing to engage in the therapy process with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:56 PM
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I don't know what you're driving at here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:53 PM
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It's pretty difficult to misrepresent yourself over an entire year of courtship the way people do today.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:51 PM
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I don't think it was particularly social media. I tend to look at how bathing suits have slowly disintegrated into nothing over the last 100 years. It's like we've been in a social competition to see how little women can be acceptably seen wearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:48 PM
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It was just one example, and I used it because it's a direct example of how women have violated the norms. The women using dating apps for free meals (a meal is a gift)... OnlyFans is basically a giant and now normative abuse of the male impulse to give things to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:42 PM
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Low self esteem, and validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:22 AM
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Fathers not doing their job because they're off working. My hypothesis at least. When fathers work long hours, it can lead to attachment issues in children if their involvement is reduced, which can manifest as insecure attachment styles due to a lack of emotional availability, consistent presence, and responsiveness to the child's needs. This can result in the child feeling abandoned, struggling with self-esteem, and having difficulty forming healthy relationships in adulthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:20 AM
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To figure that out you'd have to actually define courtship and what its purpose is: Courtship is a structured, intentional process where two people explore their compatibility to see whether a lifelong partnership — marriage and sex — makes sense. It's a process of filtering people out, and it goes both ways. Women are devaluing the process by disqualifying men for trivial reasons, accepting gifts from men who they have no intentions towards, not being consistent in requiring courtship from pote…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:02 AM
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The fact is that an overwhelming number of women do not deserve to be courted and you can't tell who is who anymore because courting itself is not normative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:16 AM
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Yeah. It's all so outlandish these days. I had a gal pestering me for awhile who was claiming that she was "dating for marriage" etc. Super reserved with me. No physical contact. After about a month of this, it finally came out she was fucking some other guy while trying to make me jump through hoops. He wasn't "husband material" though, so why bother making him wait? Couldn't understand why I found it disrespectful, and insulting. I feel like women do not operate naturally on a framework of res…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:04 AM
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Men absolutely will do the courting dance if they feel you are genuinely interested in them, in a way that says "you are my future husband" and not "I'll forget about you by Tuesday." Absolutely, ding ding ding. Modern dating has just become an opportunity to entertain a woman for an evening. Sorry, I'm not a singing dancing monkey here for your entertainment. Marriage is about partnership and building something together long term. I have yet to meet a modern woman who approaches a first date as…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:51 AM
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I don't think courting is "outdated." It's a bunch of rituals that were intended to protect people accidentally having babies with a nutcase. People forgot what it was useful for, or thought it wasn't useful anymore. I think it'll start making a resurgence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:42 AM
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I don't disagree but there's a difference between species and an individual. The individuals must have and share certain attributes in order to make "reproduction the #1 priority." Everything that humanity does is in service of this. Everything you see or do is an elaborate mating ritual with stops to eat now and then. It is entirely natural that a male would be harsh on himself if he is excluded from mating games, and does not know why, or have any discernible steps to remedy his ostracism. To …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:31 AM
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Can you mind read?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:23 AM
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I grew up in a traditional community, and was a chaperone for any and all dates my sister went on when I was a child. For along time I tried to engage in traditional courtship with women. I really loved Bridgerton. It does not work anymore -- and I think that's really sad. Modern women are looking for something akin to "butterflies" on the first date, and if you don't give that to them, they don't let you continue to pursue and get to know them. What does work? Kino, and a lot of other PUA techn…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:04 AM
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Everything we dislike in other people is necessarily a projection because we don't have access to other people's thoughts. That means it is your own thinking which you are judging.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:49 AM
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Most people don’t engage with reality. They navigate a mental construct optimized for survival, not truth. They’ll twist themselves into knots rather than admit their worldview serves only their self-interest. The tragic consequence: this blindness keeps them from understanding how the system actually works, and from ever being able to change it for the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:44 AM
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We dislike in others what bothers us most about ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:20 AM
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "I don't want young men and boys to listen to this and believe it." What is this? I don't want men to be bad either, but I feel like it's almost malicious to make boys learn/believe from young that if women are not attracted to them it means they are not good people. I like where your thinking is, but I personally think it's almost irrelevant to the practical matters of what is actually going on inside a man's head. A species #1 priority is to reproduce, or th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:12 AM
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*sniff sniff* I thought it was something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:55 AM
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I agree with most of your assessment. However, some of the things that women -- generally -- are doing absolutely do harm men. None of it is direct but it does cause harm. I'll give a clear example. The Navy use to not accept many women. Women insisted upon being allowed into the Navy. Fine. There are a lot of women who serve honorably and I respect. Women in the Navy don't "hurt men." However, when you look at the practicality of it, and what they often do while in the Navy, you see that those …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:53 AM
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It’s no coincidence that many men, at some point in their lives, dream of the “vagina dentata" -- the universal mythic symbol of the fear of being emotionally devoured. Across cultures you find succubi, sirens, and other consuming archetypes. They’re not literal women, but metaphors for a relational style that drains rather than nourishes. These figures are tragic, not evil; they harm others while also wounding themselves, chasing short-term validation and ignoring the long-term cost. Modern cul…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:43 AM
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Aye aye. I'll work on being kinder. It would be nice if people didn't drag in my age into a discussion as if it's some kind of gotcha. I am very candid about my life on this forum so that other people can maybe take something away from my mistakes; not to have them thrown in my face.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:20 AM
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This is definitely true for a lot of women, but they still want you to be attractive in other ways. And, even knowing this, it doesn't mean much in terms of actionable behavior changes to most men. They hear "be more emotionally safe" and think they're being told to be a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:09 AM
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☠️😂 Financial abuse is when my wife spends more than we earn each month. Anyone who says that shit is going to leave eventually anyways. No point in bankrupting yourself prior to the divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:55 AM
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That's very true and I called that out in the penultimate sentence above. However, it's important to make an important call-out here. I'm not suggesting that people accumulate baggage over time in any meaningful way. It does happen in cases of serious abuse and trauma as an adult, but it's relatively rare there wasn't some pre-existing issue. People who were abused as children tend to "find" more of it as an adult. I am suggesting that the people without serious baggage are taken off the dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:51 AM
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Pretty much agree with you. There are a lot of systemic effects that make the debate around ideologies basically meaningless. Certain social averages and statistics are really not going to move. Human beings, men and women, are naturally self-centered creatures -- and for good reason. Technological progress over the last 100 years have enabled everyone to be drastically more self-interested. We're not going to un-invent birth control, tampons, midol, and penicillin. All the social changes that c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:08 AM
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I don't know what you mean by that. I've stayed with women who I felt like I had a financial responsibility to, despite them being openly horrible to me. I will only tolerate a certain amount of this and for a period of time before leaving. This is usually after 6 months to a year of me trying to work with them on whatever they're upset about. A lot of women have this amazing ability to be unhappy no matter how decent life actually is. You address one complaint, and a new one forms. It doesn't t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:43 PM
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Never will happen. As long as women are having sex before marriage/vetting, there will continue to be an incentive to lie about intentions for men who just want FWBs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:28 PM
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Assortative mating, and other effects. The older you get as a man, the more likely a commensurate single woman is going to have serious baggage. Women with secure attachment styles partner up in stable unions, and leave the dating market over time. Women (and men) with a cluster-B personality disorder make up like 12% of the population. But what percentage of the single population do they make up by age?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:24 PM
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Feelings of responsibility, and "cheaper to keep her." Going back into the dating market as a man is soul crushing unless you're very attractive and charming.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:21 PM
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That'd be great if the government wasn't cucking all the childless bachelors into paying for said bastard children. When all the taxes I pay are added up, they amount to over half of my paycheck. Almost none of it comes back in any form of benefit to me, and arguably makes my life worse. It's no wonder that middle class men aren't able to afford children. Meanwhile, the bottom quintile is popping kids out, and the upper class is too. I don't want any children to go hungry, but at the same time, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:17 PM
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Pretty much. I shared the story because it's an exemplar of similar behavior I've seen since. There's all kinds of women (and men) trying to run elaborate romance cons. People who are worth having around aren't really on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:12 PM
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I hate even working in the field. I'm in the field due to circumstances, it wasn't an intentional decision. The money doesn't make up for the long hours, constant pinging, and anti-social behavior, as well as staring at computer screens all day. It's soul crushing work. For the last 20 years, the industry was also flooded with "software engineers" because it was seen as easy and paid decently with no real certification system. The interview process is not a good filter. Most of them couldn't cod…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:05 PM
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It applies to some other things. The recidivism rate on various negative behaviors isn't all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 10:32 PM
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They require lots of maintenance that people don't figure in; closing costs on two sales. The value has historically barely kept up with inflation. When you consider you're paying 2/3rds of a mortgage payment in taxes and interest. It becomes significantly less attractive unless you know you're staying somewhere for a long time -- plus you take on risk. And even then, it only takes one natural disaster to wipe out any profit you may have gained. For most people, renting an apt, and investing in …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 10:31 PM
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What good is money if it doesn't "buy" the things that a man actually wants? Money, historically, was the equalizer among men in terms of access to the rest of life. But, wealth inequality has become so great, that you have to have astounding success for it to matter much at all in most areas of life. Inflation since 1971 has been brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 09:07 PM
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"People want what they don't have."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 09:03 PM
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You'll have more luck when you're in your thirties. Save money to take care of yourself. Eventually some woman will be tired of the grind and start slowly moving herself into your house/apt. Just make sure to get a prenup and set boundaries around finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 09:02 PM
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It's hilarious and sad how true this is. Know tons of guys that women swoon over that are absolute trash providers. One guy in particular, is really a great honest guy, but he's lazy, has no ambition, and drinks too much. He's always in a relationship with a woman supporting him partially.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 09:00 PM
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Not only that, techies are basically low-status in a woman's mind. It's the blue-collar work of white-collar jobs; a digital plumber. A doctor making the same amount would have more sway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:56 PM
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So he's not homeless? Home ownership isn't the windfall that people think it is. Renting, in many cases, is financially more literate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:55 PM
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Women care about the appearance of money -- the status that comes with it -- more than they care about numbers in a bank account. But here's the thing, if you go into debt to finance a luxuries, you're just waiting for the relationship to end when you're finally at your financing limit. I'd also say to men, from 10 years of dating in a very experience area, don't spend money on her. You'll have more play if you buy yourself luxuries, than if you share them with her. She'll see the Rolex, and des…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:54 PM
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One of the things that's relevant here is that Engineering is a low-status job culturally. Women assume you're awkward and difficult -- and they're probably right. If you were a doctor making the same amount, you'd have a very different experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:46 PM
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And women don't understand how absolutely garbage it is to men when it comes out that they just want a retirement plan after learning a career doesn't love them. I dated one woman for a little over a year... Over time I got to see old photos and learn about her history. She had been a girl-boss and had been paying for her personal trainer boyfriends from her early twenties to about 35 when she realized she didn't want to be the breadwinner anymore. Then she started going after software engineers…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:41 PM
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This is true. Unless you're 10M+ it makes very little practical difference. Although, it depends on a woman's age a lot as well. Women who want stability and partnership will be all over you when you turn 30. My advice would be to save and invest as much as you possibly can, and disregard women for the next 5 years. And when you turn 30, vet them really well. I had some very nefarious women come through my life looking for someone to marry, retire, and control. I would be retired by now on a bea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:07 PM
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A lot of these things will never be addressed because they're structural. The incentives for these happening cannot be removed. Every species' number one directive is to reproduce, or it ceases to exist. Women have to deal with significantly more biological investment in children, and men have to deal with paternal uncertainty. The combination of those things leads to a lot of 2nd and 3rd order social consequences. Most of the changes in women's position in society are directly attributable to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:08 AM
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No feminists don’t think men’s issues don’t deserve to be platformed. That's not true. If you followed men's rights issues, you'd see how often it happens. https://www.mensvoicesireland.com/actions/international-council-for-men-and-boys-attempt-to-shut-down-foundation-in-spain/ Protest of Warren Farrell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx5x0Ztffm4 Look into what happened to Michele Elliott, or Erin Pizzey.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:58 AM
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Another thing that women may not understand is that these perps are usually doing it serially. If a woman doesn't come forward immediately, she's leaving other women at risk. The average grapist has 7 victims before they're convicted. That's a lot of PTSD these guys leave in their wake.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:56 AM
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Yeah, I totally agree. I've gone through a lot of therapy and self-improvement since my marriage. That was 20 years ago. I stayed single for nearly eight years working on myself. At the same time, gaslighting, cheating, put downs, and antagonizing people is extremely psychologically and emotionally damaging. I was left really screwed up from three years of dealing with that. And, yes a lot of the more serious types of abuse go underreported for sure. I've had pretty close friendships with women …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:53 AM
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Rare relative to what. It's rare in the sense that not many people make false claims, yes. It's not rare in the sense that there's a subset of women who make these kinds of claims frequently. Why do you find that hard to accept? Hundreds of dates over 20 years isn't some shocking statistic. It's less than 1 date a month. And, that's not to say I've slept with hundreds of women. You can just go on a coffee date and not want anything further. I also never said that I've never done "anything wrong"…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:45 AM
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Thank you for saying this. I fully agree with you. It means a lot more coming from a woman. Talking about this stuff, as a man, is opening a can of worms for yourself. Things need to be such that women can easily come forward and get an investigation. Guys who grape or commit domestic violence are typically repeat offenders and nobody benefits from having them out causing women PTSD and other harm. I don't like living in a society where women have to be afraid of men. At the same time, I've had …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:31 AM
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If you accept something as true, it doesn't warrant investigation. Investigation is what you do when there is reasonable doubt. I fully support people doing investigations. I had someone falsely call the police on me reporting a DV. I'm glad an investigation was done. I don't want a bunch of rapists and abusers running around hurting women. I want them either executed, or put in jail. They cause a significant amount of outsized harm to other victims, but also to the rest of men who are judged by…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:19 AM
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Yeah. Two of them never contacted the police. With two, there actually was domestic violence, but it was them assaulting me. Although, they couldn't do much. It was always about trying to control me in various ways. I tell my story because any one of those women could have easily caused me a lot more trouble for me than they ended up doing. Men need to be more cognizant of ending things quickly with women with a demonstrable willingness to lie. Each one of them had started trying to gaslight me …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:14 AM
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Women with personality disorders.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:35 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1p0wqo2/comment/npmbasl/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:02 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:29 PM
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They haven't been "rare" in my life. In 20 years, I've had false accusations of domestic violence spread about me by three different people. Now, to be fair, this is like 3 people out of hundreds of people I've been on dates with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:26 PM
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It wasn't "Believe some women."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:15 PM
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People love to make these type of motte-and-bailey arguments. I also see a lot of "squid inking" where people just sprew irrelevant information or arguments in an attempt to justify an indefensible position. There can't be any collaboration with people when they won't argue in good faith. They have to be willing to be convinced.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:13 PM
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It's right there in the phrase. Believe means "to accept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:03 PM
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That's fine. You can surround yourself with sycophants if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:55 PM
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You decided to reply after I had already provided the source to Jump_Cold_9659. Not only did you choose to reply, but you decided to inject smarmy, snarky, language into your request. Go find it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:53 PM
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Yes, or something. Lol. But, "love" is not technically an emotion. A lot of people conflate these things. For example, you might feel sad, or lonely, or happy, or grateful. People don't, strictly speaking, feel love. Love is a set of behaviors. It is those beneficial and edifying things. To "fix" someone implies pain as a result. It's like doing surgery without anesthesia.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:45 PM
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I do believe in repentance, but yes to all of what you said. There's also a modern aspect in which modernity equivocates female infidelity with male infidelity. But, the actual fallout and consequences are not symmetrical. Should a modern woman tolerate cheating? Absolutely not. People want to shut their eyes and ignore the consequences of infidelity, and it's only led to lots more infidelity, heartbreak, and real financial fallout to people. The equivocation has led to a significant increase in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:34 PM
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Yes, but that's not the distinction being pointed out. If a person is kind only to you, that doesn't make them a kind person. If someone asks you why you love your partner, and you make a list of the things they do ("provide") to you, then you're not really loving that person for who they are. "I love seeing when he gets excited and talks about his interests" is not the same as "I love that he buys me gifts and presents."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:04 PM
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That's entirely fair, and it certainly makes sense when the government is taxing us at around 50% of our income (add up all the various taxes you pay). People don't have extra left over, nor any reason to share if the government is supposedly going to do it. At the same time, this necessarily removes peoples incentives to be kind to each other when there's no interdependence. Everyone will ultimately die even with government interventions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:57 PM
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I understand, but I'm pretty certain communities would work together more and still take care of people. It's not as if the government is doing a great job at this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:54 AM
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Totally. I feel like the government intermediating everything actually makes life a lot worse ultimately. For every intervention, there's an unintended consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:27 AM
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I hear what you're saying. I think that people should definitely train in a positive way their partners. It's my own experience, but I feel like approaching things from a "fixing" perspective eventually and necessarily results in disappointment, criticism, contempt, defensiveness, and stonewalling. It's like deciding to slowly fail at a relationship from the get-go. For example, a woman might initially be positive with their partners in how they ask for change -- but failing to provide a positiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:25 AM
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I'm genuinely looking for a forever partner. I know that's an unlikely outcome, but it's a goal worth pursuing. Life is really rough and difficult. For most of us, the whole world is against us in a way. Having someone to share it with makes life bearable. I'm looking for a few things out of a partner. Someone I can practice a conscious commitment to love with. I see love as a decision that we make. It manifests in every interaction. Everything we ever might want to say or do can be expressed wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:25 AM
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May I ask how it happened? And also, why not again?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:55 AM
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Absolutely. Every simp should definitely do more escorting or sugaring. Although, I'm not sure how much they could charge.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:34 AM
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Once a cheater, always a cheater. It’s a generalization, but it’s almost always true. Full-on sexual cheating takes work. There’s a long series of choices leading up to it: flirting, secrecy, planning, lying. A person could turn away at any point. Cheating is never accidental. It’s premeditated betrayal. A lot of cheaters do it because the betrayal itself gives them a sexual thrill. It’s a kink built around deception and risk. You can’t build a stable life with someone who gets off on violating …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:26 AM
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Brutha, insecurities are a trait of a person, rather than a circumstance. Inshallah. Insecurities are feelings of inadequacy and uncertainty about oneself, often leading to self-doubt, fear, and anxiety regarding abilities, relationships, or appearance. They can stem from various sources, including childhood experiences, trauma, social conditioning, and a lack of confidence. Manifestations include excessive self-criticism, social avoidance, and a need for constant reassurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:22 AM
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