TheRedArchive

~ archived since 2018 ~

empresa_josefina Archive

View 6 posts and 3,012 comments by empresa_josefina on TheRedPill subreddit and various other subreddits related to The Red Pill community.
Search in:
In subreddits:
More
Filter by year/month:
Showing the 1,000 most recent of 3,012 comments.
Upvotes Comment on Subreddit Date (UTC)
–

She’ll marry a normal guy and not tell him about her OF. There will be a new form of cyberbullying/defamation that people complain about, namely digging up a woman’s OF content after she’s shut down the account
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 12:49 AM
–

Time to spruce up the betabuxx piggybank!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:48 PM
–

Actually I read several articles and analyses about how the bank took a huge marked-to-market loss on their hold-to-maturity portfolio due to rate increases, and once their Silicon Valley clients started withdrawing deposits to meet cash burn needs given frozen equity and debt funding markets, the bank started to teeter and got hit with a bank run. I then checked whether other banks and startups would be impacted, apparently so, it might be carnage on Monday. Then I checked my own bank. Then I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:06 PM
–

I meant the impact of a recession, not of the bank itself. I am making the leap that this event foreshadows a recession which you may disagree with
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:23 PM
–

Any predictions? Biggest winners and losers?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:06 PM
–

High inflation and paycheck-to-paycheck is one thing. Unemployment is another. I hope everyone stays safe
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:05 PM
–

It isn’t enough that I should succeed. Others should fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:03 PM
–

Silicon Valley Bank failed today, the second biggest bank failure in the US since 2008. The recession may be upon us. Unfortunately many families will suffer but hey, that’s the economic cycle. Any predictions for the impact on the dating market? I predict match rates will go up across the board. As layoffs start women will get conservative and start betabuxxing. Also the spending requirement for dates is about to drop in a serious way, guys are going to be offering only netflex-and-chill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 09:27 PM
–

Yea the public doesn’t have enough info. We don’t know how much time if any he gave her for example. Let’s say tiger had given the 15-45 days, on principle do you think she is entitled to any compensation?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:06 PM
–

While ejectments are very similar to unlawful detainers, ejectments are filed if the unwanted occupant can claim he/she has legal or equitable title, interest, or a right to the property. Whereas unlawful detainer actions do not involve the occupant claiming an ownership interest in the property. First google response. Tiger’s ex has basically no legal rights in this case. Florida is brutal for forever girlfriends lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 01:15 PM
–

Mother was a narcissist and scam artists. Stole from people, lied about it when I was a teen, then blackmailed me about it in my 20s. I learned that unconditional love isn’t a given, relationships are built on trust and have to be maintained even with family and close friends, and that you shouldn’t mix money and family. I’m definitely more sensitive to golddiggers, foodie callers, and hustlers due to my mom
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 12:53 PM
–

This wouldn’t be an eviction because she’s not a tenant and there’s no landlord-tenant relationship. It would be an unlawful detainer. Some googling tells me that Florida normally allows for 15 days between when the lawful owner asks someone to leave, and when they must vacate. We don’t know whether Tiger told her to leave before he tricked her into leaving, but it’s plausible since tricking someone isn’t usually the first resort (but tiger is kind of a weird guy). So let’s assume the first time…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 12:49 PM
–

What’s her case for wrongful eviction? From what I can tell, her lawyers claim she had 5 years remaining in an 11 year oral tenancy which is a weird claim on its face. But per FL law: The problem with oral contracts is that “a party who asserts an oral contract must prove its existence by a preponderance of the evidence.” St. Joe Corp. v. McIver, 875 So.2d 375, 381 (Fla. 2004). Again, what looks like a purely sexual relationship will not be enough to establish an oral cohabitation agreement. May…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:43 AM
–

Weird AF take
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:20 AM
2

In the landlord filing, Herman claimed the couple had an “oral agreement” that ensured she could live at the mansion for a total of 11 years — and she still had five years remaining when the golf star called it quits on their relationship. Based on the time left on her five-year tenancy, Herman argued in court papers that she was entitled to compensation of roughly $30 million. Any PPD women want to defend this on the grounds that she sacrificed her career and did $30M worth of emotional labor l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:06 AM
1

You got called a pickme for losing weight for your wedding?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:57 AM
5

Women will nod along until you say that your boxes include “is young and attractive,” “has sex with me constantly,” and “isn’t just a financial dependent”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:46 AM
1

I already know your numbers are bogus because the death statistics are in the order of magnitude of 20 women per 100,000 live births nationwide. Covid had a 1% death rate for unvaccinated individuals and we locked down the country. You think women would be getting pregnant if pregnancy was as deadly as a deadly infectious disease? There are about 4M babies born each year, you think there are nearly 30k dead women a year from childbirth? That’s how many people die from car crashes, one of the big…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 10:42 PM
0

I’m pretty sure a SAHM who quit her career 5-10 years prior would get alimony. What divorce judge would allow her to get no income and no assets in divorce? Yea it’s not worked out as hard numbers because standard divorce awards are not rigorous, but if I wrote a prenup that said “I will pay my ex her lost wages from her BS job plus inflation, and I keep my million dollars a year,” the judge would toss it. So she would indeed be given more. And your justification is that she’s supporting me to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:57 AM
1

I feel like these conversations are unproductive because you are not willing to quantify the risks, so we can’t put anything into context. How many women drop dead from complications due to premature birth? What is the incidence of these ongoing medical risks? If these incidents are super rare then this convo is moot. If they are incredibly common then maybe the imbalance in rights should be even more in women’s favor. I’m the only person here who has tried to put contours around this. You and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:50 AM
2

Does a man have any recourse if his wife unilaterally decides to reduce her work hours? Not really. Finally if she does sacrifice her career, the man can’t compensate her for the lost career earnings, instead she is entitled to his actual career upside. Why can’t I just pay my ex for her lost nursing salary instead of giving half my doctor salary?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:14 PM
1

I am simply expressing the tradcon argument, I dunno why I got downvoted. Im not a tradcon and think they’re wrong. Seriously some of the women here are getting belligerent on this topic. The tradcons are religious and they want less casual sex because they’re traditionalists. This isn’t complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:03 PM
1

Not really because moms aren’t dropping dead from miscarriages or premature births. This idea that men shouldn’t have reproductive rights because pregnancy is a massive risk for women hinges on that risk. Emotional trauma from miscarriage and mortality are at a totally different level. I can just assert that men experience emotional trauma from not being able to do financial abortions, does that mean we can take women’s reproductive rights away?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:01 PM
3

No matter how disgusted or outraged you are, maternal death in developed countries will always only be an order of magnitude higher than getting hit by lightning (2.5 vs .25 per 100k). So, with such a low rate, why not have a 55/45 imbalance? Cus right now the imbalance is closer to 90/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:09 PM
2

I’m also black, and I know black women have the highest maternal death rate. The US healthcare system is a disgrace. But it remains ridiculous to suggest women should have a near-monopoly on reproductive decisions legally speaking because of maternal death rates. The black rate is 40 out of 100k pregnancies, that isn’t high enough to say that fathers should have no rights. And yes I can and should compare death during childbirth to getting murdered. When we are talking about mortality, we should…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:49 PM
1

Maternal death rates in the US are quite low, and the US has one of the worst rates in the developed world. The European posters here have about as high a chance of dying in a plane crash. Maternal complications have a death rate of 2.5 per 100k, similar rate as rare af cancers. Let’s get real, 99.999% of pregnancies get to term, society shouldn’t be compensating women for the risk of maternal death Edit: clarification, 99.99% of pregnancies that get to term are delivered fine. Obviously miscarr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:36 PM
1

Just a reminder that women are statistically more likely to seek unprotected sex with more attractive partners. So she wants to be Chad’s plate and she wants it raw hehe
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:29 PM
-1

I am not a redpill tradcon but the argument from them was that banning abortion would make women have less casual sex since there would be no mulligans. The argument was never that women would be forced to take care of kids now that they couldn’t abort
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:27 PM
1

There have been several high profile cases of spermjacking. Drake being the most notorious. Women poke holes in condoms and baby trap sometimes. 45% of pregnancies in the US are “unwanted” as reported by the parents. How many of these are a baby trap? If it’s just 1 in 10, then 5% of pregnancies would be a baby trap. That’s way more common that the scenarios that knuckleheads in this thread are bringing up such as maternal birth during delivery (what is this, house of dragon?)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:25 PM
1

Come to CA where the abortions are ezpz
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:22 PM
1

Lol childbirth deaths? The US has the worst maternal death rate in the developed world at 20 per 100k, and that’s because poor people in the US have shitty healthcare. White women like you ladies on PPD have a 12 per 100k chance of death. That’s about equal to the murder rate. You are as likely to die in childbirth as you are to get murdered by a random. Giga irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:21 PM
1

Lol I love these SAHMs who sacrifice their careers. Poor women in the hood are working three jobs while raising kids, but the middle-class ladies on PPD just have to quit work to be able to take care of Tanner, and their unpaid labor is worth $300k so if there’s a divorce they should get millions of dollars. Give me a break, it’s absolutely not necessary to stop your career to raise kids and you shouldn’t be compensated for what was ultimately a lifestyle choice. I can’t believe people say this …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:14 PM
1

Chads doesn’t have problems getting an LTR lol. Women only call Chad a fuccboi after he’s refused to commit. If he wants to commit at any point they would indulge him. Source: I know chads
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:09 PM
1

I don’t think the 40yo partner sleeping with a 22yo beauty cares that 40yo divorcee women think it’s a red flag. Also mid-6 figures in your 40s is basically mid-career, if you are in any of the white collar professions (tech, law, accounting, finance, medicine), you will make mid-six figures 20 years in. Not special at all. So if anything you are suggesting there are a lot of eligible 40yos out there who can date 20yos
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:16 AM
1

Sex with 3 different women a week is definitely top tier. Each guy would have a rotation of 10 girls and would take about a month to sleep with each of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:14 AM
0

This problem is solved if the women take breaks between sex sessions and the men don’t. More concretely, if the ratio of the time between the guys and the women’s sex session is equal to the gender ratio, the math checks out. In this case, 65 women are getting shared by 5 guys. If the guys have sex 3x a week, or every other day for simplicity, then any given woman would have sex every 3-4 weeks, and the math would check out. In a year there would be 912 sexual encounters and you can verify for y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:34 AM
2

The League has higher rates of moderation and your social media is connected to the app. It would make sense that there’s less bad behavior than an anonymous app like Tinder or Bumble where you can use a fake name etc
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:27 AM
1

I’m still on the waiting list, wanna recommend me?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:24 AM
-2

What I’m getting at is, 20yo hot rich guy > 40yo hot rich guy > 20yo normal guy, when it comes to 20yo women. In other words, no one does well with 20yo women on average, including 20yo men. 20yo men have the highest rates of sexlessness, being single, being frustrated, etc. If all I cared about was banging 20yos I would rather be a high SMV 40yo than an average or below 20yo. When I was 23 the hottest coworker in my division (22yo sorority girl) was dating a 40yo partner who drove around super …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:23 AM
3

Iirc Lilith is black but simultaneously believes it has impacted her life but incls who are minorities are just whiny losers. She also ignores data that shows that despite their disadvantage vis-a-vis other women, black women still do better than all men besides white men in a speed dating or OLD study. She also has an extremely annoying template that goes Men: “strawman of an argument” Women: “overly simplistic gotcha statement” Men: “freak out or contradictory statement that’s also a strawman …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:29 PM
2

This already exists, the League and Raya both have vetting processes to get in. The app checks your LinkedIn to make sure your job is real etc. there also was an app called Luxe that asked for your networth and required a tax return to be able to use the app. I was on the League for a while and women were just as flaky, filtered just as aggressively, etc. The idea that women act terrible on dating apps just because of guys who spam and send lewd message doesn’t hold up. These “luxury” apps don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:23 PM
-2

I know some 40-something guys who are dating early 20s women. The women in the relationship love it and are by no means creeped out. Maybe it’s not the norm but 20yr gaps happen and there’s no reason to think it’s weird just because it’s uncommon. Homosexuality and interracial are also uncommon but that doesn’t make them creepy (to non-racists and non-homophobes). Anyway I love how women here imply that 20-something men are all crushing it and getting laid, that age group does the worse in datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:04 PM
1

What kind of traditional were you looking for? SAHM type?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 02:04 PM
1

Yes your jawline is pretty good, and in the body pic I’d say you have 15% bodyfat which is good as well. I would recommend you try getting down to 10-12% bodyfat and see how you look. Being lower than 10% bf is hard to sustain without drugs, your whole life has to revolve around clean eating, but everyone is different and some guys don’t get sharpness in their face until around that level. In my case I have a slight double chin anywhere above 15% so I look better at 12% or below, to the point th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 09:04 PM
1

Getting laid without being established isn’t the criteria. Plenty of dudes get laid in college for example without a nickel to their name. However when a woman is approaching 30 and looking to settle down, there are some guys who have to wait for sex because she wants to see if there’s something serious, and there are guys who she bangs in Cabo at the club. Former are betabuxx, latter are alpha fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:23 PM
2

I specified “decisions to have sex”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:18 PM
2

I’d say 5 is a fair rating. If you go all out you can probably push 5.5 to 6. You have good skin and your face has some definition but I can’t tell if you have a jawline at all. Also what’s your body fat percentage? Weaknesses are that your left eye has upper eyelid exposure and thus assymmetrical with your right eye, and your lower third is narrow (but you might be pursing your lives or doing a slight pout). Anyway if you lean down enough to have some facial definition, you get the fuccboi stub…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:15 PM
1

I’m not speaking for them, I’m just describing the average dude. I tried to be colorful in the description, but the reality is that the average dude has a mediocre dating life. They speak for themselves here and in surveys, it’s bleak. Pew research just did a 2023 survey and like 40-50% of men (depends on the age and ethnicity) say that OLD is hard and they wish they got more matches (women predictably say they wish they got fewer matches). I don’t understand why you are trying to add subjectivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:42 AM
1

I feel bad for your bf/husband and hope your bedroom stays alive as long as possible
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:18 AM
3

Found the tradcon beta waiting for robot waifu
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:08 AM
2

If you are a woman who doesn’t do casual sex, but you would consider banging your current partner if you just saw him walking around, then there’s real attraction. If it took wining and dining, a good job, etc., for you to get with him, he’s a betabuxx. Sorry I don’t want to hear the whole “I’m Demi and I need to warm up to him after 7 dates,” you probably don’t, he’s just a betabuxx
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:05 AM
1

I suppose I don’t relate to them because I’m 6’2” and in shape, and I’ve been having casual sex at bars and clubs for like 10 years. But I am fully aware that guys who aren’t as tall, or who are out of shape, would not pull it off. And I used the phrase normie because it’s the tier below Chad, if we’re going to use pill language then might as well be consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:01 AM
3

Just remember that betabuxx is the opposite of alpha fucks. The defining characteristic of alpha ticks is that he gets laid without need to have a good job, or education, or life prospects. He’s the tiki bar bartender surfer guy in Cabo who fucks the bachelorette. Betabuxx is the guy who gets the relationship because he brings money or resources into the equation. So it’s not just broke party girls. Rich society girls will also look to date a rich tech founder, but they wouldn’t have banged him …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:59 AM
3

Quality post lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:08 AM
1

So you can still fuck high quality women without marrying them, either by dangling marriage (unethical and not recommended) or by sleeping with them while they’re inbetween committed relationships they hope will lead to marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:52 AM
3

Biggest difference between Americans and other countries is that a typical American woman has blown more guys than she has had sex with, while it’s the reverse abroad. It comes from the base system we all learn in high school
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:50 AM
2

Right, you think so because you’re a prude and you see sex as both dirty and sacred. I don’t see why sex and food are any different. You put stuff in your body and it creates pleasure. Eating the best foie gras of your life should feel better than mediocre sex. And eating putrid food should feel worse than mediocre sex. Now if you’ve got a complex about sex then it’s a totally unique special feeling and if your boyfriend doesn’t stroke your hair just right you might cry lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:48 AM
3

Nothing in my description of an average guy says he doesn’t have family or friends, or that he’s socially isolated. He lives close to where he grew up or at home, he has his friends from high school or college, he has a mediocre job, which is better than his buddy who has no job and just vapes and plays vidya all day. He’s fat and eats fast food, for fun he meets up with the boys to drink natty light, he gets no matches on tinder but he did get blackout last year at his buddy’s house party and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:44 AM
1

Sorry to hear, you got trust issues from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:32 AM
3

That’s average age of PiV but we have the whole “bases” thing, where most teens will do oral sex first before having sex. And then we have the fundamentalist Christians who take chastity vows and then do anal (happened a lot in my high school in a Southern state)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:31 AM
3

Sounds like bad pseudo-Freudian theorizing You like steak and eat a lot of steak? Comes from that one time you couldn’t ride the rollercoaster when you were five and now you have trauma
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:23 AM
4

That’s how I know you’re definitely not American. Girls were having casual sex at age 12-13 in my middle school with the high school boys. At 16 I was the only virgin in my friend circle, lost it at 17 which was considered late.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:22 AM
1

Meh, I like sex and I’m hot so a lot of people want to have sex with me, and I often indulge them and myself. No deep psychoanalysis in there
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:20 AM
2

Black chad would be Tyrone, but below chad is high-tier normie. So you’d be high-tier black normie.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:10 AM
3

It is weird, most people aren’t virgins and have more than 1 partners. Maybe instead of weird I should have said “atypical” to not trigger anyone. And yes PPD users will regularly shame men and women who have casual sex, we get called low value or daddy issues all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:08 AM
5

If they’re having casual sex they’re above average. 24% of young adult men reported having casual sex in 2017. Women have super high standards so they think above average guys are average. Hence the hilarious comments like “there are 6ft guys everywhere” or “I know so many guys who make 6 figures.” Average guy gets no traction on OLD, has no casual sex, lives within 20 miles of where he was born, makes 40k a year, is 5’9”, and is 30 lbs overweight. He isn’t having casual, a bunch of girlfriends,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:05 AM
3

Cute story. How ugly are you? Do you ever get attention from women? Any women in your life (work, school, friends) that you are currently interested in? 5’8” plus autistic will be tough bro
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:00 AM
2

The girls you typically date and sleep with, are they hotter than the girls with the protective boyfriends in your story?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:57 PM
2

Taking your original story, you hadn’t dated anyone when you met the husband. But you also hadn’t had sex with anyone without dating them. That’s the part that I find prudish. However I realize that “hook-ups” are more of an American thing
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:55 PM
1

“Quality women” aren’t celibate when they’re inbetween relationships trying to get married
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:49 PM
0

Sorry about your trauma but I still struggle to relate. I have a narcissistic personality parent who destroyed our family, traumatic but it’s never affected my decisions to have sex or not
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:46 PM
1

Gonna need a rating, everyone including average guys will have been told they’re good-looking. That’s why everyone thinks they’re a 7. Edit: also answer about north vs south and your hair, it helps answer your Q
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:19 PM
3

Not sure why the men’s stats are relevant, the question was whether PPD women are representative of the general population, not whether they are more or less representative than men. Second of all the average woman has had 7 sexual partners by age 27. I think something like 10% of the female pop are at 1-2 partners by that age. Yet on PPD every other woman has only dated one dude they met in HS who they then married. I dunno if there’s ever been a poll on this but there are way way more “quasi-v…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:18 PM
2

North Indian or South Indian/Dravidian? You got hair? What’s your face look like? Take Aziz Ansari as a 5 and sendhil ramamurthy as an 8, face-wise where are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:01 PM
8

Overrepresented older as a rule, and there are way more virgins who never party and married their first high school boyfriend here than in the gen pop. So I wouldn’t say low value, just more socially conservative on average
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 10:59 PM
1

Sure but they’ll sleep with fuccbois while waiting for the “good” guy to marry so you can do just fine without getting married
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 10:55 PM
-3

Why do you say that? Eulen and other quasi-virgins have said that they consider high-N counts weird, is that a reflection of their insecurity about their low N-count? Or does the armchair psychology only apply to lifestyles you disagree with? I think that people who are virgins or have had sex with like 1 person think that sex is dirty or sacred, both of which makes no sense to me. It’s a physical act that releases neurotransmitters. Sometimes the release is existentially grand, other times it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 10:54 PM
1

You speak English and German fluently and are learning French? I speak English French Spanish fluently, intermediate Portuguese, I just took a beginner German lesson so we’ll see how that goes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 10:37 PM
1

I struggle to relate with virgins or people who have only had sex with one person. Just weirdly prudish Edit: downvotes brutally, but any virgin says “I can’t relate with people who have casual sex” gets upvotes. PPD is just a hivemind of women pushing this “women don’t like casual sex” narrative when the data disagrees. Tiresome.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 10:34 PM
1

Fatcel is volcel as they say. I recently put weight back on after being shredded, and it’s a pain to lose it again. Try to catch yourself slipping esp if your lifestyle changes. Once you start hooking up with girls you find yourself out at parties late at night, going to dinner, etc. and the schedule you had while getting shredded totally changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:39 PM
13

I once lost a bunch of weight (got to 12% bodyfat so was looking pretty lean) and basically every date I went on, I could invite her back to my place on the first date and she’d agree and we’d have sex. I’d go to clubs and just stand on the dance floor, and some girl would stand next to me and glance over repeatedly, I talk to her 10 min and take her home. Gained 20-25# and I wouldn’t even get to a second date. Being 12% bodyfat and below is so much work and calorie counting I can’t sustain it, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:36 PM
1

That doesn’t make any sense, the first five women or so couldn’t know that I’d talk to everyone. If my hit rate was super high (it’s much higher now btw), then I would have already clicked within the first five women. Also we would switch venues during the night out itself. When you’re 21, inexperienced and a bit nervous, the first several approaches will probably go badly. It gets better with practice. Guys today don’t get the practice in at all for the reasons I mentioned
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 02:12 PM
2

Looks/money/status, i.e. dating is superficial
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 01:22 AM
1

I'm increasingly in the "don't get married" camp
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 01:12 AM
1

Sometimes I lurk sugar baby subreddits. There’s hypergamy and LMS among sugar babies too. If you’re a minority guy, you should expect to pay the sugar baby more (sometimes up to 50% more), if you’re a black woman you should expect to receive smaller allowances. Blackpill is everywhere smh
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 01:03 AM
21

OPs like this one act as if 1/3rd of young adults aren’t sexless, with another big chunk being NEETs and/or drug/internet addicts. Comments like “go to a Walmart and look at all the average couples with kids” demonstrates how out-of-touch some posters are, dating as an under-30 is a universe apart from two fat rural Americans hanging around a Walmart.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:53 PM
2

Who would write lump sums into a prenup anyway? If you take nominal wage growth of 5% which has been the average, your lump sum would be half its value in real terms in like a decade. Take a man who makes $1M and a woman who makes $200k when they get married. If the prenup says “in divorce I will give wife an income stream (or equivalent assets) that reflects her staying in that 200k career,” it will get tossed because her effective income would fall from 500k (half of the $1M) to $200k. My unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 07:10 PM
2

Prenups have no statute of limitation in CA so I don’t see any purpose of a postnup. “Unconscionable conditions” is up to the judge and possibly your spouse’s lawyers, there’s nothing you can write into the contract that prevents the prenup from being tossed if the prenup protects assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 06:02 PM
1

Admittedly prenups are not perfect and don’t account for the passage of time, adding they are invalidated by the court a little less than 50 percent of the time. Per a family law firm’s website based in California. ~40% odds that your prenup is invalidated? If the judge imposed a 50/50 asset split, that means you have an expected loss of 20% of your assets the moment you sign the prenup papers and get married. 20% drop in assets is how much the stock market has fallen in the past year. Ouch
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 05:37 PM
1

Prenups will be tossed out if they disadvantage the poorer party. If you are a rich guy marrying a non-rich woman, you can’t have a prenup that says all your assets are yours and she gets nothing. A judge will toss it. So the financial risk is there regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:33 PM
2

Some did, others didn’t. Some cared, others didn’t. Not uncommon to talk to the 10th girl at the bar and it clicks even though you got rejected by 9 women prior. No offense but I’ve done thousands of approaches and have slept with like 80 women, in multiple cities and countries, from cold approaching at bars. If you think this is LARP fine, but I have a decent idea what I’m talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:48 PM
2

This was never a thing. I went to college 15 years ago. You’d be at a party, a 5’7” engineer would start talking about engineering to some attractive girl who lives in his dorm. She would humor it for 5 minutes then walk off and play beer pong with the frat guys. What’s with this mythical past where women hooked up with short scrawny nerdy guys after chatting at a party? Main change today is that OLD means women don’t need to be at a party drunk to meet guys. So there are fewer lucky incidents w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:00 AM
1

Can happen if you get plastic surgery, hair transplants, lose weight, etc. with the first two you need money which you prob won’t have in your early 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 10:48 PM
7

You’re wrong and everyone disagrees with you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 10:05 PM
1

Real life approaching takes massive volume to build experience, and modern society just isn’t built for it. In my 20s (early 2010s) I would go out and do 20-30 approaches. Talk to every attractive girl at a bar and leave once I’d struck out with all of them. Every hundred approach I would hook up. I don’t think you could spray and pray like this without getting bounced out. Today I am calibrated enough to not need to mass approach, but an early 20s dude who isn’t used to it doesn’t have any venu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 10:00 PM
7

That’s what game means
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 09:56 PM
2

How did you go from not hot to hot?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:05 AM
9

Ehh I’m sure if Henry Cavill asked for anal you’d spread them cheeks. All that said, even if you have absolutely unwavering boundaries, women on average don’t. Women have more unprotected sex with hot guys, have more orgasms with rich guys, etc. This has been shown experimentally, but again on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 07:06 PM
1

I have been to Poland and I did pretty well, big exoticism boost. I wanted to visit Germany this summer for some music festivals so this is a good idea
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 04:42 PM
1

Redpill vs bluepill was originally about women being attracted to LMS/game versus women being attracted to nice personalities, thoughtfulness, decency, etc. But it's become tradcon vs liberal, social media reactionaries vs girl power, and all sorts of other divides. My most blue-pilled view: women are just as intelligent and capable as men, I don't expect my partner to stay at home and do chores and I think education and achievement is sexy (but doesn't replace actually being physically attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 12:08 AM
1

I figure there has to be some component of being a wealthy foreigner? If he gets 200 likes a week on Tinder/Bumble, would a Black American get 40 maybe (so it's 80% white, 20% rich foreigner)? That's what I'm curious about. Asia can be pretty racist so maybe the foreigner bonus is cancelled out by anti-Black racism and a black guy wouldn't be better off in the Philippines, I have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 11:58 PM
6

You really will not acknowledge that it’s possible to be accused of creepy behavior without having done anything inappropriate? On this planet earth where men and women lie, steal, cheat, etc? The world is that just for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 08:51 PM
1

Question, are you white, and do you think a non-white American would have similar results? Asking for a “friend”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 08:41 PM
3

Brutal. Healthcare is cheaper outside the US so this is a compelling argument for going overseas
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 08:39 PM
6

But regardless of our personal anecdotes, I believe it's 90% of women who are not receptive to a cold approach (from anyone). The survey info is not helpful, you would need a field study of attractive men approaching women vs unattractive men. , it was found thatconfederate attractiveness significantly predicts consentbeyond age, relationship status, and type of sexual invitationfor female subjects but not for male subjects. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/238504013_Receptivity_to_sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 08:33 PM
8

I don’t have statistics for you, but I have personally witnessed my friends get the attention of women in grocery stores, get their numbers, and go on dates with them. I have also heard women in my city lament that guys don’t approach them enough when they (the women) are going about their day running errands. I have no clue if this is most women or not. The fact remains that if an attractive guy can do it with very little risk of being creepy, but an unattractive guy can’t, then the social norm…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 07:39 PM
14

Creepy behavior is creepy and can make a 10 turn into a 1 if they are acting creepy. The problem is that creepy behavior is subjective. You personally don’t want to be interrupted running an errand. Many women don’t mind being interrupted if the guy is attractive. Social norms always have shades of gray. A classic example is women at work, it’s a faux pas to hit on a woman who have to be nice to you (wait staff, front desk, etc), but we have all heard of waitresses who give their number out to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 07:18 PM
47

The stereotype of the Napeleon complex or “small dick energy” is ultimately just a short guy who is very confident and assertive. Take the same behavior and put it in a tall guy, and it’s “dominant” and “knows what he wants”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 07:12 PM
–

My perspective as a younger millennial. I was in my early 20s just as social media was taking off. the ROI of “putting yourself out there” has gone down by a lot. You used to go to bars and most of the people there were single and looking to mingle. Doesn’t mean they would hook up with you, but it was understood that if you were out and about, people would interact. Only after social media + covid did I experience going to a bar and there are groups who have 0 intention of interacting outside th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 03:45 PM
10

“Paying for stuff” is clearly a significant burden given that the average American has no savings and is a missed paycheck or car emergency from insolvency. The financial burden of paying for a couple’s expenses is non-trivial. If you don’t believe me, start paying for everything for a month with your bf and lmk how that goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 03:19 PM
1

The courts in many California counties use a formula as a guideline for calculating the amount of temporary spousal support. These guidelines vary, but one common formula for the monthly amount of support is 40% of the high earner's net monthly income minus 50% of the low earner's net monthly income. For example, if Spouse A earns $6,000 a month and Spouse B earns $3,000 a month, temporary spousal support would be $900 a month (40% of $6,000 = $2,400; 50% of $3,000 = $1,500; $2,400 − $1,500 = $9…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:31 PM
1

This can be explained by a judge only awarding alimony if the income difference is material. If guy makes 55 and woman makes 50, the judge might not bother issuing a court order
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:39 PM
1

If the guy makes $1M, he marries a driven career woman who makes $200k, and they divorce after 5 years, you’re saying there would be no alimony award? My understanding is that alimony is based on the drop in lifestyle from the spouse (in my example, the woman goes from living in a $1.2M/yr household, 600k per person, to a $200k household). My understanding is that alimony is not about her going part-time and the man compensating her for giving up her career
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:25 PM
1

My question was whether I should include “makes as much or more money than me” as a criterion. I don’t care about her money per se, but if it minimizes the risk that a divorce court rinses me, then I have to include it I think
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:22 PM
1

How do you figure? If the couple has similar income then divorce wouldn’t end in alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:21 PM
1

Yes I have a high income, a cook/cleaner/personal assistant would cost less than half my income
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:23 PM
1

Don’t want children
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:00 PM
1

We’re talking about mid-six figure incomes or more here
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:59 PM
1

Then I def shouldn’t get divorced, cus I doubt my future ex-wife will generate enough value for the household to justify having half the assets afterwards. A combo house cleaner/maid/cook/fuckbuddy would be cheaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:59 PM
1

Yes it is, alimony tries to balance the spouses’ lifestyles before and after divorce. If I make much more than the spouse, such that her lifestyle would drop after divorce, I’d have to make up the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:58 PM
1

Is there any reason to marry a woman who makes less money than you? In divorce you’d have to make up the income difference via alimony. If she makes less isn’t it better to make her a forever-girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:06 PM
3

It’s just a virtue signal, the woman likes having the guy take charge and wants to date a rich guy. Having him pay for shit both vets his income and creates a scenario where he makes all the decisions (he picks the place, he picks the time, he orders, etc). I’ve gone on 50 dates and not a single time has a woman picked the bar and the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:04 PM
1

I’m curious, is your ethnicity white-adjacent? What shade of brown are you (use a famous person to compare maybe)? My friends and I have noticed that the white-adjacent guys in our friend group (mixed race, white Latinos, light-skin Arabs etc) do better especially with your typical spoiled LA upper-middle class girl. My friend the white Latino says he is the “starter minority” for these chicks. What’s your experience been?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 06:19 PM
9

I also live in LA, 6’2”, similar networth, reputable firm. But I’m not classically handsome and I’m not white. It would be great if I could date a woman that’s beautiful AND intelligent AND successful, but my SMV isn’t that high due to face and race, so I have to compromise. I like hot women and don’t wanna date ugly chicks so I have to compromise on intelligence. I try to enjoy my time with the dumb hot chicks knowing I would never marry them or introduce them to my inner circles. I agree with …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 01:39 PM
1

Bro you can’t be posting Sean O’Pry gifs and talking about bones, you will get banned for incl content
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 12:34 PM
2

It affects different women differently but I agree that many women get on HBC too young and don't know what their natural state is like. There are also so many types of BC now that women who get hormonal side effects can find alternatives that work for them. It's actually a good time to be alive if you don't want to get pregnant. Failure rates for modern BC are extremely low, stuff is 99%+ effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:32 AM
1

The irony of being a non-Chad that had to self-improve is that by the time you are in the top-tier, the women around you have already been banged out by Chad and are jaded, complaining about fuccbois and their ex who left them. This is a fairly common issue among successful guys I know (we're in our mid-30s). With few exceptions my attractive/successful friends date younger women for exactly this reason: less jaded, more fun, usually hotter. If you really are geriatric (50s/60s+) then that might…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:11 AM
1

Please don't listen to that guy, if you care about looks you should maintain that standard. Getting into a relationship with a woman you're not attracted to is a recipe for disaster
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:07 AM
4

It's virtually impossible to get women to admit "ok that guy is a virgin due to his looks." No matter how short, scrawny, pimple-faced, and bald the guy is, women will say if he had a personality he would be dating hot girls like this one 5'4" janitor they know. Constantly saying "I know a 5'4" guy who dates models" reinforces this notion that women don't care about looks. So then short guys enter the dating world in high school or college and get totally bumrushed by reality and become bitter. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:06 AM
2

4/10 might get you pity sex in a betabuxx relationship. Not everyone's cup of tea
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:01 AM
1

Aren't you the guy who agreed with me that we should develop a libido-enhancing pill for women to fix the dating market?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:00 AM
3

Variable weighters Nothing makes you more blackpill than going from 230# dirty bulked and moonfaced to 200# at 12% bodyfat with visible muscle.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:59 PM
10

PSA: blackpill does not mean you hate women, are a neckbeard, are a virgin, or have a shit personality. The only real consistent core belief of blackpill and its subvariants (looksmaxxers, incls, chadfishers, etc) is that physical appearance explains 80-90% of the variance in men’s dating outcomes. Even the most hardcore incels acknowledge that having extreme social anxiety or severe autism would hinder even a good-looking guy’s prospect, but severe autism and total agoraphobia are rare diseases…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:41 PM
-1

Redpill youtubers have millions of dollars, that’s a pretty legit bag. Again you can’t assume every dude is broke cus he’s redpill
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:16 PM
1

You’re mixing so many different manosphere stereotypes. A guy can worry about betabuxx without caring that women are “taking all the men’s spots in college.” I work in tech/finance/law on the coasts. I have dated dozens of women and I have never dated a woman who doesn’t have a job or would be dependent on me. I mostly date lawyers/doctors/accountants. These women all expect me to pay for shit and some of them confessed they’d like to dial back on work and transition to SAHM. It pisses me off wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:47 PM
1

Let’s say the guy found out he’s gay but isn’t ready to come out of the closet, so he breaks up and offers no explanation. Should he just come out to not be cruel? What if he breaks up because he’s no longer sexually attracted to her. Should he tell her she doesn’t make his dick hard? Should he just lie to not be cruel? Do women also owe men explanations when they break up, ghost, flake, etc? does this standard only apply to LTRs?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:42 PM
3

Hot girls in their mid-late 20s. A few were aspiring actresses. In college he was hooking up mostly with sorority chicks. They are generally intelligent but tend to be a bit socially retarded in the way hot girls often are (their jokes aren’t funny but they don’t realize it because dudes simp to them). My friend and I are in mid-30s
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:30 PM
2

He’s fairly outgoing, likes to tell jokes, do card tricks, etc. He works in showbiz. Not married but he rotates through attractive girlfriends. We met in college and have similar personalities (we would go clubbing together and wingman for each other). He’s always slept with more women than me but I have a respectable N-count of 60ish, he’s prob in the 100 range. Nice guy in general
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:25 PM
7

I’m a blackpill dude and I have a friend who was on a reality TV show as a hot guy (not model tier but close). I’ve gone out with him before, he gets pretty easy sex with attractive women. There’s not much to learn from the experiment, we are the same height and weight, went to the same school, I have a better job. He’s just better-looking so girls approach him and give their numbers, or otherwise make it easy to fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:21 PM
1

Your post reads as if the random unexpected breakup is the cruel part. Maybe you meant that the phrase “I owe you nothing” is the cruel part? I could see a context where a guy said this to set a firm boundary and there’s no cruelty involved. He doesn’t owe her anything after all so if she insists on contacting him or insists on explanations, he’s on firm moral ground to say that or just block her
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:08 PM
1

Why do we automatically assume every man is broke? The top 10% of incomes is 150k or something. And the top 15% of height is > 6ft. Yet we all know 6-footers. There are plenty of men even on this forum who have good incomes and care about getting betabuxxed
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:01 PM
1

I don’t understand actually. Obviously it sucks that she’s getting broken up with, but if what he wants is to leave the relationship, shouldn’t he just do it? From her perspective it would be random of course but it’s still his wishes. If your issue is with the phrase “I owe you nothing,” then I guess I get it? But if she asks for an explanation after you’ve broken up, you definitely do not owe her an explanation. “It’s not working out” and then bounce
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:49 PM
1

Why is it fucked up? He doesn’t owe her a relationship and certainly not a cooling off period or a soft landing. If he wants out, he can just break up and leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:36 PM
2

Why can’t the guy end the relationship at random and say “I owe you nothing?”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:31 PM
3

Aflac is the duck from the insurance commercial, Affleck is the actor lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:28 PM
1

The woman in OP seems to desire a long term partnership since she’s living with the guy. However the partnership is contingent on his $$. As for lust, presumably she is wet during sex. Plenty of women perform duty sex with their husbands and lust is not 100%. I guess I’m just confused why we think the woman in OP is just in it for the $$. She’d actually make more as a straight up escort so clearly she sees values in the dude in OP, so how can she be a sex worker?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 06:04 PM
1

I think it’s understood that prostitutes have sex with multiple John’s at predefined hours. If the woman in OP is only sleeping with one guy, that’s more sugar baby territory. I wouldn't ever date anyone who needed me to "sweeten the deal" of dating me, but if others are cool with it and it's known upfront, that's not my business. We both know people who would not date their partners if said partner was broke. The money “sweetens the deal” in this case. I have dated women who truly didn’t care a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:49 PM
4

I will co-sign this, I like in a high cost of living city and the upper-middle class women in my social circles absolutely do not expect to be cooking and cleaning all day. People have cleaning ladies, caterers, etc at this level, and if she’s dating a rich guy then part of the household expenses will be these conveniences. That’s not prostitution, it’s just the standard deal when dating an UMC woman in NYC/LA/SF/etc
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:58 PM
3

Yeah this is fairly common, I am fairly well-off and while I haven’t cohabitated since getting rich, I have dated women who don’t expect to be cooking and cleaning all day if we get together, since I already have a cleaning lady and meal services etc. One girl in particular expected to be a socialite that throws dinner parties (these take work of course, but this is a luxury and would involve catering)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:56 PM
1

If the only reason the wife is having sex with her husband is due to him pay the bills, yes absolutely. Do we know they the only reason OP’s friend’s gf is in the relationship is for money? Maybe she thinks he’s a nice guy but the money sweetens the deal enough to date. What do you think about “traditional” relationships where the man pays for everything, are those prostitution?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:53 PM
1

I don’t know what you mean by this. OP’s point is that drunk people can give consent. I think that’s a reasonable argument since drunk people are otherwise held responsible for their actions (drinking and driving, gambling, etc). So you have to demonstrate why sex does not get held accountable when other drunk actions do get held accountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:30 PM
3

Terrible legal advice lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 02:02 PM
2

The analogy would be if someone drunk decided to buy you dinner at a fancy restaurant, then the next day wants the money back cus they were drunk. The drunk act was reasonable in the context, just like OP’s girl wanting to have sex was reasonable in context.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 02:01 PM
1

If you watch the TikToks, you see that the guy is white, tall (definitely over 6ft but perhaps more), and jacked. His biceps are like 16", dude is likely an athlete or former athlete. Straight Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 04:51 PM
2

Women will demonize anything on the internet regardless of how it performs in the real world. "High value" guys (rich, tall, hot, whatever) can demand whatever they want and it will work. He can personally have an N-count of 200 and be a known fuccboi but still sleep with virgins. At the crucible moment when you and her are in the same room and she's feeling flush, playing with her hair, trying to stand next to you, she doesn't give a fuck about XYZ standard. This goes for basically every standa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 04:47 PM
1

That depends usually on whether he’s had sex with his new girl or not. In most guy circles you are a full-on chump if you introduce your friends to a girl you haven’t had sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 06:14 AM
8

Your OP is basically a shameless plug for competence outliers. Why is bringing up a looks outlier not a fair comparison? Btw Meeks would get more sex and with hotter women than Bezos, QED
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 10:58 PM
2

No woman goes incl because of height if you are within like 3 standard deviations of the mean, I’m sure a 6’7” woman would struggle but who cares, that might be one in 10M. Black women have the lowest hit rates out of all women but equivalent to white men. Male thirst seems to translate race. Baldness would hurt but how many women get to Norwood 5? That’s the ring around the dome balding pattern? So like height we’re talking about extreme outliers. I have not seen evidence that women with thinni…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 12:27 PM
4

I think that user’s point is that the physical variables men are judged on can’t be “maintained.” They’re out of your control. I can take basically any man, regardless of his grooming habits, cosmetics, or fashion, and make him totally sexless by manipulating his baldness, height, and race (note that I didn’t mention weight). There’s not really a combination of genetic traits in women that you could alter to create an equivalent effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 12:31 AM
1

I only have one filter, do I find her attractive. If so, I go on the date and find out more. I guess the only other filter is whether she has a kid, but that’s because I don’t want to share her time with the kid (I like to travel and would want to take the partner with me for weeks at a time; single parent can’t do shit like that)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:20 PM
1

I don’t want low N count woman
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:17 PM
1

Did OP mention cultural differences? I assumed he was born in the US and there’s basically 0 cultural difference. He’s not a hot Asian guy, he’s probably closer to average (he said he’s a 7 and since he appears to be using the normie scale, 7 would be average). Yes I would totally expect an average Asian guy with a good job to get 0 play in a city like Chicago, and that’s one of the more diverse cities. If the guy lives in Dayton Ohio or something it’s even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:25 AM
1

If OP is a 7 (PSL 5) with a great personality, but the token Asian, he’s exactly the kinda guy who would not get set up and be confused about it. He’d need to be a 9 (PSL 7+) to be getting regular intros from white girls with their white friends. Remember that something like 90% of white women do not date outside their race (match.com data from a while back). Like you said, friend intros are already rare, if you reduce the rate by 10x then it makes sense that Op would have 6 years with no intros
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 09:20 PM
4

The odds that an individual black person you meet is a criminal is something like 1.5 in 1000. The odds that a criminal is black is 4 in 10. With that information, how could you possibly see a black person moving in next door and be worried they’re a criminal? There’s a 99.985% chance that they’re not. Hence why stereotyping is irrational
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:45 PM
3

Your argument is basically that I’m low SMV because I’m currently single. So was I high SMV when I was in a relationship with a pretty med school resident? In either case your initial claim is that women can sense blackpillers and avoid them. My dating life has gotten better since I got into blackpill, but that’s no surprise because I am better looking now. Women aren’t mind readers and we know that “female intuition” has no real predictive power, since after all women are people and people gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 06:54 PM
3

It's just repulsive to women and they can sense it, trust me. No they can’t, I’ve been a blackpiller for years including getting surgeries, and I regularly have FWBs and casual sex, I’m only single because my past few FWBs who wanted us to go exclusive were not up to my standard. I can’t believe in 2023 you are still arguing that women select men based on a misogyny detector or “energy.” How many complaints about toxic fuccbois do you need before it sinks in that misogynists, playboys, pump-and-…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 06:14 PM
3

I have gone out solo and gotten laid, and I’ve had my female friends try to set me up with their friends for relationships (full disclosure I have declined because said friends are less attractive than what I can pull myself). There’s no difference. If you’re attractive enough to have random sex at a club, you’re attractive enough to be set up. The correlation between guys with the highest body counts and guys with long-term relationships is extremely high. I’m sorry but you’re living in a theor…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 06:10 PM
3

OP doesn’t have to be straight up unattractive, if he’s average and Asian he’s cooked. It’s like how a short guy doesn’t actually need to be ugly to fail, he can be average in every regard but short and he’ll get dinged. The experience to a minority woman and a minority man are so far apart that you using yourself as an example is laughable. Black women have about the same match rate as white men. By comparison an Asian guy gets a fraction of the opportunities you do. So it’s tone-deaf when you …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 06:06 PM
7

I brought racism into it because it makes it clear why stereotyping is wrong. I don’t see any difference between stereotyping on the basis of race, gender, height, or any other immutable characteristic. Also I’ve gone out solo dozens of times and gotten laid, but I’m 6’2” and in shape. One time a girl ditched her friends to bang me. This thread is a circlejerk, if you can get laid in a social circle you can get laid solo, and if you can’t get laid via your social circle you wouldn’t get laid sol…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:34 PM
2

Good luck with your “rapport” curling teammate
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:31 PM
2

Didn’t answer my question. Guys don’t sign up for curling, thx
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:25 PM
2

“Great rapport” so is he better looking or worse looking than the other two?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:17 PM
2

Hundreds of comments dancing around this obvious fact. I’m black, a classmate of mine said she had a friend visiting from overseas that wanted to meet American guys. I told her I would hang out with her friend and she answered “I don’t think she meant blacks.” My classmate is a good friend but since she’s foreign she has no filter and isn’t PC. She said out loud what countless women have thought when considering whether to set up their friend. Getting set-up with someone who isn’t your race pref…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:15 PM
3

This is a funny post because there might be a dozen dudes on that team that want to fuck you but they might as well be invisible cus you’re pining for Chad. And your advice is to join obscure sports lol. Guys please don’t sign up for the local curling club thinking you’ll have a chance with the one woman there
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:10 PM
2

It’s pretty obvious that OP is unattractive and also probably getting dinged for being Asian, his friend group is entirely white so odds are there are some women there who have a “no-Asians” policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:08 PM
6

Yes blacks committing rape and murder are a good and sensible reason for people to be real selective about what kind of people they allow in their neighborhood /s
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:05 PM
3

What exactly are you recommending he do? He’s already friends with these women and hangs out with them regularly; they’ve just all written him off as the Asian bestie and have no sexual interest in them. If he goes for any of the women in the group he will probably be labeled a cringe love-confessor and it’ll blow up the social circle. The next best option is to meet one of their friends but that’s contingent on these girls introducing him, and apparently they won’t do that (because, again, they…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:01 PM
–

Which country?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 09:34 PM
–

There is a different between harassment and you know it Women can define harassment themselves. Cat-call is harassment and that doesn’t involve touching or powering through a “no.” I’ve heard women say they felt unsafe by a guy’s “presence” in their part of the bar. When pick-up art was popular, a dude kicked out of the mall for harassing women. He was going up to them, saying he wanted to take them out, and getting blown out repeated. Eventually one of the women said there was a creeper and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 04:44 PM
2

Think about it, that’s one cold approach a day every day for 15 years. No days off. Got exams? Global pandemic? On vacation? Doesn’t matter!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 04:40 PM
3

Ok I was counting all shots. I am way below 300 in terms of straight up PUA-style cold approach (on the street, at the grocery store, etc). But lots of bars/parties/festivals/birthdays.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:58 PM
–

I can’t say anything to that, if sexual harassment is bad cus men are stronger, and we define harassment as unwanted sexual approaching, then any time I speak to a woman I am risking sexually harassing her. What’s a guy to do? Stop approaching and use OLD, which is exactly what we’re seeing happening in the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:19 PM
–

Being alone on a holiday that celebrates couples make people sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:15 PM
–

How old are you and how many partners? I’ve also never had an STI but 95% of my sex has been non-exclusive sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:02 PM
–

Did he only want sex? Maybe he was on the fence about a relationship and decided he wasn’t ready and broke it off. There’s lots of middle-ground between only wanting sex and wanting a relationship asap?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:00 PM
–

Well yea since harassment would be “unwanted sexual solicitation,” then any time a woman was hit on by a guy she didn’t like, that was harassment. I’m a guy and I’ve been harassed/assaulted cus a few times drunk women have grabbed my crotch at a bar. Basically everyone’s been harassed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:57 PM
–

Valentine’s Day is Feb 14
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:53 PM
–

People already select for partners that will give them orgasms? As far as I can tell the most common filters are height and race, I’d be surprised if that has any correlation with whether the guy is good in bed
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:52 PM
–

You have only ever had sex after having “defined the relationship” and gone exclusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:44 PM
–

Lol was he not allowed to break it off with her just because she met his parents? You’re not in a relationship until you agree to be exclusive, kinda straightforward. No job until the employment contract is signed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:43 PM
–

Woman are already selective and yet they are evidently selecting for partners that don’t give them orgasms. Maybe change the selection criteria? Being even more selective on 6/6/6 doesn’t seem to be tightening the orgasm gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:38 PM
2

If only it was as simple as “avoid couples.” Kinda obvious to not barge in on a double date at a restaurant I have gone up to single women at a bar standing there by themselves looking around (the telltale sign that she’d like to chat) and have them be distressed that I approached. There’s 0 “room-reading” that prevents this, it’s bound to happen. Hence the advice: just approach anyway and if she does freak, bow out gracefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:29 PM
2

“Hi I think you’re pretty” will blow up the majority of interactions if she’s not already attracted to you. Please try to picture a short guy who is balding coming up to you in public, instead of whatever you are imagining
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:26 PM
5

If you have 100 lays with 300 approaches, you are a Chad of epic proportions and some combination of tall/white/handsome, or you’re LARPing. You have never been to a bar and spoken to the woman next to you ordering a drink? Cus that’s an approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:24 PM
9

Doesn’t matter how good your social skills are, if you don’t know the woman, you are likely to over or undershoot her ideal level of forwardness. Social skills help you course-correct without getting arrested or slapped. Your advice is basically “be in a social circle and have women brought to you by your friends.” That sounds great, what advice do you give men who 1) work in environments with few single women, 2) are not in school? Let me guess, join clubs with women, wait 9 months for the wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:26 AM
1

I defined aggressive as the other side of the spectrum from conservative. I don’t mean aggressive as in physical aggression or being scary. I mean it in the sense of “aggressive cost-cutting.”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 10:44 PM
10

This isn’t about your individual preferences. I addressed this in my first message. Guys can’t read your mind, all that matters is that some women might freak out at that statement, and the guy has to decide if he’ll risk it or not. You’re not the first woman he’s talked to and chances are you won’t be the last.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 10:42 PM
11

There are women who say that they are at the bar to be with their friends, so even coming up to them there is intruding. You’re kinda agreeing with me, being direct is erring on the side of taking risk, but it’s totally reasonable. However you will definitely make someone uncomfortable if you approach with “hi I think you’re pretty”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:49 PM
17

Because for some women, that’s too aggressive. Women on PPD will tell you that the above is harassment if it’s done at the gym or on the subway. You just can’t assume the guy can perfectly read the flirting and precisely ask to fuck right when she wants to fuck. Edit: you might have been sarcastic but I couldn’t tell
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 06:35 PM
43

Here’s the problem. People don’t walk around with perfect calibration or with mind-reading devices. “Dominant but not controlling” is a super-fine line to balance, and more importantly, that line shifts with every individual person. So the average guy cannot expect to always strike the balance, and he has to err on the side of being conservative or aggressive (referring to how far he pushes along the dominance/controlling axis). Now here’s where women’s advice being bad comes in. Women recommend…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 06:05 PM
2

No one is questioning your love for your Bf, at least I’m not. Chad refers to men who are romantically successful purely off of their looks, and generally speaking that includes height (because height exclusion is so common). You don’t have to be attracted to Chads, you can be in love with a 5’4” balding guy with pockmarks, and that’s all ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 08:17 PM
1

Unreal, it’s like the urge to argue that “Chad isn’t real, I don’t just hook up with Chad” is trumping all logic
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 08:15 PM
1

It is short (it’s below average) ergo not Chad. In another comment I explained that there’s a lively debate within the incl community (lol) over whether you can be a Chad below 6ft with a sufficiently handsome face. Adherents to this view would call your bf a Chad but there’s an element of confirmation bias (“see, I told you height doesn’t matter, this short guy has a gf!”) But if we use the popular paradigm, Chad should be tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 07:09 PM
2

Chad does not have to be a jock or popular, he just needs to be tall in shape and handsome. The whole point of the Chad stereotype is that your personality, interests, and social circle don’t actually matter, just your looks. So it wouldn’t make sense for a guy to not be Chad just because he plays DND or video games. Henry Cavill is notoriously a neckbeard who plays Warhammer for 6 hours a day, but he’s giga-Chad looks-wise. I don’t understand how you can be predominantly sapiosexual when all yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 07:04 PM
2

Chad does not have to be a jock or hypermasculine. Any basement dweller will tell you that the KPop guys, the lead from My Chemical Romance, and Chico Lachowski are Chads even though they’re effeminate. Height, handsome, in shape, that’s it Edit: you’ve had 7 relationships but one sex partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:56 PM
1

OP ruined his own thread by letting respondents define Chad themselves. He should have listed specific parameters about their physical features. Women are responding with shenanigans like “he’s not a Chad, I don’t like the Chad type, he’s introverted but 6’2”, ripped, and beautiful with blue eyes” as if Chad needs to be extroverted to qualify…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:46 PM
1

6/6/6 includes income, but chad doesn’t require having 100k+ income or a big dick. Just tall handsome in shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:44 PM
3

Chad = tall, in shape, conventionally attractive. Not that complicated. The incls sometimes have arguments over whether height is necessary to be chad, or a handsome face, etc., but that’s prob overcomplicating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:43 PM
1

“Chad” has nothing to do with extroversion. He’s not a frat boy. He’s just tall and conventionally attractive. Over 6ft, in shape, handsome, use that as your guide.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:37 PM
-1

You have been with two men in your life and married since age 19?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:35 PM
1

OP asked how many you’ve been with, I believe that includes sex partners and not just relationships. Chad usually means over 6ft, in shape, and above average face (the guy is handsome).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:34 PM
1

Alexander the Great commanded a cavalry wing for his dad at age 18 and was king of basically all Greece at 20…real Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 01:29 PM
1

Lol is he also short bald and an Indian janitor?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 03:05 AM
1

I don’t deny game or hate game, I just think looks is 80% of the equation. You can’t even be in a position to have to deal with LMR unless you have looks, and even then LMR isn’t that complicated, the basic idea is that you shouldn’t brute force through, but you also should know that hesitation on her part doesn’t always mean “stop everything this instant.” White knights and basement dwellers don’t realize this but if a woman wants to fuck, puts up LMR, and you panic, stop everything, and start …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:00 AM
1

Are you ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:55 AM
2

What is this post? You’re saying women come to your apartment because of your looks, but you have ED and low libido so you don’t have sex. Well, lots of guys can’t get women over to their apartments Willy-nilly, and those guys have plenty of lust and can get a boner. So how can you say masculine vibe is the #1 way to get laid? You don’t have masculine vibe and you’re getting way way closer (woman is literally at your apartment looking at your flaccid dick) than a not 6’2”, not Chad, not “best vo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:59 PM
2

I think he’s using the normie scale where everyone is a 7, so 7 is average. In the truerateme or PSL scales, 7 is about as attractive as you can get without being able to monetize it as a model/actor/etc
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:54 PM
7

Only the most bluepilled don’t realize that filters on OLD are hard exclusions. If you’re under 6ft, not white, etc, your dating pool is 80% smaller and that’s that
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 10:32 PM
3

If they are online and she uses a height filter, she never sees her in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 09:13 PM
19

Lol imagine thinking women in the US/UK have stringent height requirements because of femicide
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 08:59 PM
0

The average person has 0 self-awareness and women are not immune to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 08:57 PM
2

Choice overload is a real phenomenon, people have an easier time choosing between 3 flavors of ice cream than between 30 flavors, and they tend to be happier with their choice. There is a branch of behavioral economics called “choice architecture,” it’s about designing a store or a government program so that people can make faster or better choices. 100% it applies to dating, people on OLD are so flaky because there’s always another option.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 08:30 PM
1

I mentioned before that the system could offer me limited choice (5 women let’s say), and I pick. We can make it fair by randomly selecting who gets to choose and who gets chosen, so there’s a possibility that I’m in a lineup of 5 for some woman. And yeah, sometimes arranged marriages are miserable, but again I’m willing to sacrifice my personal happiness here, I don’t put that much value of my sexual freedom. I do have a somewhat collectivist streak. The current state of the world is better for…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 08:17 PM
1

Im a guy and I have had male massage therapists. They are typically just as good as female therapists, but they are especially good at sports and deep tissue massage because of the strength requirement. Whereas a female therapist might need to use her elbow to really dig into a trouble spot, sacrificing fine movement in the process, the male therapist might be able to use his knuckle or finger and get really precise. Massage therapists are professionals, thinking something sexual will happen bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:46 PM
11

I am a guy and I have had male massage therapists. They are typically just as good as female therapists, but they are especially good at sports and deep tissue massage because of the strength requirement. Whereas a female therapist might need to use her elbow to really dig into a trouble spot, sacrificing fine movement in the process, the male therapist might be able to use his knuckle or finger and get really precise. Massage therapists are professionals, thinking something sexual will happen b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:46 PM
2

I’m not sure how to answer this. Western society has had more puritan times where people couldn’t easily get divorced, and it’s not like in a typical peasant couple one partner demanded an hour of oral a day and used force otherwise. I understand that duty sex and marital rape exist, but in the majority of marriages even in arranged countries, if one spouse doesn’t want to have sex, they just refuse, the initiating partner feels dejected, and the relationship sours. Most people can’t stomach for…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:42 PM
4

Mansion to me means at least 10k sq ft of interior. I grew up in small town USA and you couldn’t get a 13 bedroom estate for $1M. Now a 5bed 3bad McMansion with 20 copies of it in the same gated community, sure that’s like $300k in Lubbock TX lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 06:18 PM
2

No I’m exactly saying that if I was told “you can only have sex with this one woman and you can’t divorce her, please comply because this would increase societal happiness by 5%,” I would comply. This is my personal feeling and I acknowledge that not everyone feels this way so discussing “solutions” would be a nonstarter for others but isn’t a nonstarter for me. Does that make sense? Edit: I think I see your point, I wasn’t giving myself an out where I can only have sex with 1 woman, but then I …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 05:52 PM
1

The author explicitly takes the male perspective, but if you want to assign one gender or another to the analogy based on who has more labor market power, then women are employers and men are employees. That doesn’t really matter, we could have an analogy where women are the employees and men are the employers, but women have the leverage. For example, imagine that men are small clinics that need doctors, and women are doctors seeking the highest paid position. The poorer clinics that can’t prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 05:38 PM
2

$1M isn’t enough for a mansion lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:47 PM
5

Hilarious comment
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:47 PM
3

Highly depends on age, but at a withdrawal rate of 4% which is fairly aggressive, you have 40k a year to live on. This retires you in Kentucky or South Dakota but not in any coastal region. Cheapest 1BR in my city is 1.5k, so you would be spending almost half your retirement income on housing just to live in a tiny studio.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:46 PM
1

I already have over a million dollars so I wouldn’t take the money. A million dollars is not a lot over a lifetime if you live in a major US/European city. You’ll still have to work. So this trade off is really working a little less in exchange for no sex for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:44 PM
1

In labor markets without at-will employment - France and Germany are classic examples - workers have long-term contracts because the employer can’t fire them. In the sexual market, that would mean people can’t easily divorce or cheat. The author in OP explicitly mentions prohibiting adultery. The analogy isn’t about profit per se, since in an efficient market like the hypothetical one we’re discussing, corporations make no economic profit anyway. The main issue with at-will employment is that la…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:38 PM
1

OP’s argument is that if society pays too high a price for men becoming competitive, then we shouldn’t liberalize. He implies that the system encourages guys to not be productive and to become players and fuccbois instead. Basically he’s saying sexually liberated marketplace creates a negative externality - I think this is obvious insofar as it creates incl killers. Some industries create so much negative externality that they are regulated or banned (fracking, etc). I don’t think OP has made th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:54 PM
1

Women aren’t a product in this case, they are the employers in a labor market. The French author says “when unfair dismissal is prohibited” which is referring to at-will employment where an employer can terminate an employee for no reason. You can have your own view about the OP but it’s wrong to say this treats women likes products
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:48 PM
–

I use OLD a lot, mostly Hinge, and I’m seeing a proliferation of what I call women “making demands.” In their profiles they will respond to prompts in this fashion: “The way to win me over is” planning a perfect first date, ball in is your court “My favorite words to hear are” dinner reservation is at 8, let me take care of that for you, I got you something “The best way to ask me out is by” asking me out It’s becoming every other profile that you see something like this. I find it incredibly of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 04:57 PM
1

I was being tongue in cheek but with 150k you would not be saving any money in my city if you eat out, take Ubers, go on dates, and live within the city limits paying rent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:25 AM
1

Ok so where is the debate? Obviously most women would pick 29 over 40, it’s empirically true that most couples are 3 years apart. So yea no shit, all else equal a woman would date a guy 3 years older. However the question is whether a Chad 50yo can bang 21yo, and the answer is yes, cus he’s not competing with average 29yo, he’s competing with 21yo Chads and there aren’t a lot of them. Again I don’t understand this thread, eventually your argument boils down to “women prefer men their age to old …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:24 AM
2

I’m a guy in my 30s and dating is easier now than in my 20s, there are just a ton of 30yo women who want a boyfriend and I am stable with a good job. The supply demand imbalance is in my favor. But you’re gonna have to link even a single guy who thinks, all else equal, it’s easier to pick up 21yo when you’re 35 than when you’re 21. And that’s all else equal: same job, same status, same looks, etc. cus I’ve never heard anyone make that argument
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:19 AM
0

I mean if any anecdote I bring up is fake and LARP, but all your anecdotes and pontification is valid, what is there to debate
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:15 AM
1

I didn’t bring up 150k, the other poster did. 150k in NYC or LA is poverty-tier, people make 150k out of college
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 10:23 PM
1

I haven’t seen these arguments, I’ve seen the “SMV peaks” chart which shows a lower peak for men but not a monotonic increase where 80yos are giga Chad. That said, if being older gets you status or money, then yeah you can get with more younger women as you get older. Sure they aren’t into you for purely your looks, but the number of even young men who get with women purely on looks are tiny…basically Chads! Who besides chads can get hot young 21yo with no money, no status, no social skills, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 10:18 PM
0

Most 21yo guys dont get much play, so 50yo chad definitely outperforms them. I personally know mid-40s guys who look 30 and easily hookup with 20-something’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 10:15 PM
4

You are focusing on the attractive guys, not the unattractive guys. If the pecking order is attractive 21 > attractive 50 > unattractive 21 > unattractive 50, then the attractive 50yo will get with lots of 21yo because there aren’t enough attractive 21yo to go around. It’s a bit similar to height or race debates. Yes height dings you, but if you’re a 5’9” male model you’ll get laid more than a 6’0” balding neckbeard and less than a 6’0” male model. But I wouldn’t be making OPs saying “women don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:47 PM
5

Then this goes back to my original comment. No one thinks women naturally desire older men, such that if you’re an ugly broke old guy, you will swim in 25yo poon. But guys also don’t believe that if you’re an ugly broke 25yo guy, you’d swim in poon. So what is the point of this discussion? If OP wants to make the point that even rich attractive old guys struggle with young women, she can try. I think that’s false. But instead she’s debating this strawman argument that men can magically bang youn…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:27 PM
3

I can’t believe this user is arguing that young women do not find the most famous American athlete of our generation attractive. This is a man married to the most successful supermodel of all time. It’s insane solipsism. Even if you personally don’t find Brady attractive, can you not abstractly understand that a colossal amount of women of all ages do?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:04 PM
2

I mean sure but this thread isn’t about abusive age gap relationships, it’s about age gap relationships in general. She’s talking about looks and status, not whether dating your boss creates authority problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:01 PM
6

Sure, but a random 25yo making $50k a year (I’m adjusting income down for age) is not gonna impress a 21yo unless he’s fairly attractive, in which case he doesn’t have much chance at 25yo either. So what’s the point of these threads? Attractive older guys can date 21yo women, unattractive older guys can’t; but attractive 21yo guys can date 21yo women, unattractive guys can’t. It’s not adding anything new.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 04:04 PM
33

Why do PPD women have such an axe to grind with the age gaps? There’s not much to discuss, we know the average gap is 3 years but with a wide standard deviation, and we know that if the old guy has high SMV and is a Chad, he can bang 22yos. At the limit you have Leo DiCaprio who just picked up a new 23yo model girlfriend. Sure she’s with him cus he’s famous rich and high status, but it’s not like Justin Bieber’ fame money and status is a non factor when he dates women his age. So many of these t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:40 PM
1

Delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 10:53 PM
1

I agree there’s no point dwelling on it, and I am also a minority but have pulled some hotties. However it’s not helpful to have an entire thread that obfuscates reality by asserting that video games are the main reason. Hot guys don’t get turned down just because they play video games. There are plenty of unemployed losers having sex, but they’re usually attractive in some way. However bluepillers wont acknowledge this so we get endless threads looking for a silver bullet, this time it’s video …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 09:09 PM
1

Height, face, race, you need 2 out of 3
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 03:44 AM
1

Plenty of jacked good looking dudes who struggle. You are overstated this a bit, if you are jacked + good-looking + white (just to be safe), you can just hop on OLD even if you have 0 social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 03:37 AM
1

If he wasn’t ultra rich and was just jacked and handsome, it also wouldn’t matter that he plays warhammer
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:29 PM
2

1, I don’t need women to put on a ton of makeup and heels, as long as she’s in decent shape she can be in sweats and t-shirts and I’ll find her attractive. Also I currently pay for house cleaning and other housekeeping tasks, I’d just keep paying for that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 01:37 AM
2

Hearing about a dude’s dating life gives you anxiety? Imagine how I feel. For me it’s not a real night out unless I’ve been rejected 5 times in the first 30 minutes. Then the ball gets rolling. As I’ve gotten older (and frankly better looking, I was a gangly teen), my hit rate is better so I get rejected less, but every so often a woman will laugh in my face, walk away mid sentence, or otherwise tell me to go fk myself
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:29 PM
5

I’ve been going out at least once a week for 15 years, and I’ll approach at least 10 women a night. That’s 7500. I’m guessing 5000 is a better number because I’ve been going out less the past 2-3 years due to covid and life stuff (busy job)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:21 PM
2

You think I’m LARPing?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:49 PM
2

Maybe but I’ve approached women this year at bars/clubs/parties and haven’t been canceled yet. I dunno what it’s like to be 22yo in 2022 but from what I’ve seen, as long as you’re attractive, you can cold approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:49 PM
13

I have approached 5000 women (am currently 32), I had 1 close call in college where I was actually being platonic but she freaked and said I molested her. It was a nasty rumor and blew up a social circle but didn’t go beyond that. Outside of school there’s been nothing close to a life-obliterating event. I don’t hook up at work which is probably why. Upside of my 5000 approaches? I’ve had 2 girlfriends, 60-80 hookups, including some total babes and a former model. Worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:44 PM
0

All of these venues work if you are attractive and she’s into you. If you make a move on women at clubs, grocery stores, campus, and OLD, and you get no traction, you’re unattractive. Stop listening to generalized statements from women like “I don’t like being approached on XYZ,” individual preferences don’t matter, you are playing a numbers game and if she’s into you, it doesn’t matter in what forum you met. I know a guy who met his girlfriend at a funeral for a mutual relative (they are non-bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:41 PM
1

“I swear all the guys on here who say they want to have sex with women have a vagina kink”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 08:52 PM
3

Yeah if she’s not attractive enough for you to bang her without self-loathing, just stay single. Looksmax until you can get girls hot enough (mid-tier normie Beckie’s for me) and if you can never climb the SMV ladder that high, time to find company with pets and friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 08:00 PM
3

Meh you get consistent sex while the relationship is good and if you like her company, you get to hang out with someone. Not that bad. Just don’t invest a ton and the ROI gets better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 07:22 PM
2

Yeah these guys are decent-looking and tall, let’s say PSL 6. Thing is, if they were white they would date an attractive mid-20s woman, but instead they are dating a less attractive early 30s woman
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 05:36 PM
2

The one without kids with 0 hesitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 05:18 PM
7

Didn’t say the women were 300lbs. They’re just worse-looking than the guy by a notch or so. In the few cases I’m thinking of, the woman was in situationships with Chads in her 20s but is locking down the minority guy in her 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 05:17 PM
10

The brown and yellow guys continue to enjoy year+ dry spells, interspersed by brief relationships with burnt-out women who are "finally ready for a good guy". This is super common where I live (NY/LA/SF), the nerdy Indian and Asian tech guys pair off with a white girl who is worse-looking than them once the pair are in their early/mid 30s. It’s like the white girls know they can’t get chad anymore but there’s demand from rich successful minorities
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 05:06 PM
3

Some evidence that women's standards are culturally influenced: preferred heights vary based on whether a country uses the metric system or not. In imperial system countries like the US and Canada, 6 ft tall is the most common preferred height. In Europe and Asia, 180 cm (just below 5'11") is the most common. Women simply anchor on a round number that is above average and that becomes the height preference. Compare this to an actual biological preference like hourglass figures with a golden rati…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 01:43 AM
1

Ok, so you got in the door. An uglier guy - who could have treated her even better than you did - never got in the door at all. So on what basis were your looks not the most important factor to the relationship happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 01:22 AM
1

In my life experience how I look was not the most important when it came to long terms. My looks may have gotten me in the door but other traits are why we long termed. I.e., looks were necessary but not sufficient. OP makes the point that the data suggests looks are necessary. So are you really disagreeing with OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 11:08 PM
1

You groomed her!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:38 PM
1

We’re in agreement, it’s not a cure-all and people should do extensive research before they embark. I don’t think plastic surgery is powerful enough at current tech to outperform good genetics, but we might get there one day and life will be like Gattaca but worse
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 11:54 PM
1

I totally agree, I only went up maybe half a point from my surgery and that’s because my eyelids were a big failo, assymetric, etc. The rest of the boost came from skincare, working out, fashion, etc. However each guy needs to determine if he has upside potential in his looks and what it would take to get there. Some guys are stuck with what they’ve got, other guys are lucky and their hair responds super well to finasteride, they lose weight and get a sharp jawline, or they get 1 surgery and can…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 09:47 PM
1

Every redpill/blackpill guy lives in his mom’s basement and that’s why guys struggle? Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 09:44 PM
1

Henry Cavill plays Warhammer for like 4 hours a day and he’s a famous actor. There are interviews of him where he smiles at the interviewer or another woman and they start blushing, and he makes mundane statements and they laugh as if he was being funny. Guy literally is a neckbeard but good-looking enough that it doesn’t matter
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:58 AM
2

What games does Henry Cavill play? Cavill is a gamer. He's spoken to many an interviewer about his gaming experience, divulging details about his hours spent a day playing games (possibly over four hours a day), and which games he's enjoyed throughout his gaming career. Henry Cavill (Superman) plays games at nearly a neckbeard level. 4 hours a day on average means that if he had a full-time job, he’d only work, game, eat and sleep. Guy sleeps with models at will. It’s not the games bro
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:34 AM
2

Surgery is expensive but not unaffordable. A 25k surgery is the cost of a small car and can be financed, and most surgeries (the one for big ears, or a nose job, or hair transplant) are below 25k in most places. Sure you might not get above the attractiveness threshold, but going from a 4 to a 5 will get you a good amount of avg girls to sleep with. And going from a 5 to a 6, or 6 to 7, is legit life-changing. I got surgery and went from a 5.5 to a 6.5 (the blackpillers actually found my before/…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:31 AM
2

Yes there are a lot of women I really like, admire and even look up to. However it’s not because of their womanhood or femininity or whatever. They’re just particularly smart, funny, thoughtful, caring, determined, talented, or any other trait. The thing is, I am romantically/sexually attracted to far, far more women than the women I described in my first paragraph. Some of these women I like are not even romantic options. So it’s not uncommon to spend time with a woman I want to have sex with b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 12:22 AM
–

There are tons of regulations you can use without making women have sex. There’s the good old tax credit if you get married and have a kid, you can tweak the numbers so that getting hitched to an meh partner starts to look like a better deal. Will create a lot of BBs but we have plenty of those already
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 05:21 AM
1

And you think the guys prefer a younger woman because a younger woman is less likely to find better and leave? Doesn't that contradict the initial point that men want younger women? If younger women are more desired, how is it less likely that they encounter better options?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 04:04 AM
1

Not the cool ones at least. Cool, hot 40yo men don't get rejected by 20-something women either. So again what's the difference? I'm in my mid-30s and I went out for my 35yo friend's bday party. He met and hooked up with a fairly attractive 21yo he met at a bar. What percentage of 21yo guys are hooking up with an attractive 21yo women at a bar? You think it's a cakewalk to be a 21yo guy approaching women? This sub is so strange, it's like the users don't go outside. We literally had a social move…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 03:27 AM
2

I had never heard that the appeal of young women is that they have less money. If that was the appeal, wouldn't guys be willing to date women their age that had very little economic power? Why isn't that a thing, "I'm looking for broke 35 year-old women because they're weaker than rich 35 year-old women."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 03:19 AM
–

These other domains do involve regulated autonomy. You can't speculate in certain investments without being a "qualified investor" because in the past, the government would have to bail out people who lost everything on gambles. Same with health, I don't have the bodily autonomy to buy cocaine, or inject myself with with a coronavirus just to see what it feels like. These are controlled substances for a reason, people can do serious damage with them. So taking the premise at face value, if socie…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:34 AM
–

I can point to several periods of conflict that started due to sexless men. Most of the warriors during the First Crusade (yes, those crusades) were single men, typically the 2nd or 3rd sons of a family, who didn't have any inheritance or land and so were not eligible bachelors back home. The easiest way to get status, money, and women was to go crusading. We can acknowledge this history without believing that women should be forced to have sex with XYZ.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:25 AM
2

I'm sure you were also rejecting guys your age, so what's the difference really? Very few men period are appealing to a young woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:19 AM
0

Weaker? Do you mean physical strength or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:19 AM
1

First off I got a little aggressive in my initial post cus I thought you were a layperson punting about finance. Still it’s a bit reductionist to say that rigorous jobs - quants, exotics traders, analysts at algo trading firms - hire people based on essentially an IQ test. They require specific skills in math and comp sci, and sure the applicants are highly intelligent but also have technical backgrounds. That said, at the junior levels, quant firms will just take the best student at MIT/Caltech…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 04:44 PM
9

If this kind of confidence were attractive, then incels could get rejected 1000 times and be fucking models because they've seen it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:30 AM
2

As someone who works on Wall Street and interviews often, we don't ask brainteasers or math problems to look for raw intelligence. We do it to test whether the candidate can communicate well. A good answer to a math problem, no matter how hard the problem, is to reason aloud, walk through your problem-solving, ask the right questions, etc. It's NOT to find the biggest physics brainiac who already knows the equations. Most of finance jobs is thinking on your feet under time pressure, which is exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:28 AM
3

You think Europe colonized Asia, Africa, and the New World because European societies were more monogamous? Pretty moronic take.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 05:23 AM
3

The second is an economics paper that uses census data as a source. Census data is more than broad enough to be generalizable. So YveisGrey’s objection that these studies only apply to specific men has collapsed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 08:11 PM
4

I’m pretty sure a Wharton professor did the appropriate blind selection to get a representative sample of men. That’s expected of an undergrad, a professor wouldn’t publish unless these basic confounds were accounted for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 05:55 PM
2

Statistics disagree with your opinion, about as many women as men have casual sex. I posted this above.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 08:35 PM
7

Your point about casual sex understates how much casual sex women have: "...between 2007 and 2017 the percentage of 18-to 23-year-old men who had casual sex in the past month dropped from 38 percent to 24 percent. The percentage dropped from 31 percent to 22 percent for young women of the same age." "Most of our sample (aged 18-82; roughly as many men as women) said they had had casual sex (73%) ever" “Research shows in a committed relationship, 70 percent of the women report orgasm. But with ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 08:34 PM
1

Car accidents will fuck you up as well and they are more common
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 01:26 AM
0

If a woman dates one year of her life, those are the odds. If she dates from 17 to 27, the odds fall by an order of magnitude to 0.7%…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 01:26 AM
-1

I'm doing the public service of debunking PPD women's misrepresentations of the sex lives of a typical single woman in 2022. This time, let's debunk the myth that women bear a tremendous risk of violence when they go on a date with a man. Reposting: “One study of rape on American college campuses found that 13% of acquaintance rapes, and 35% of attempted acquaintance rapes, took place during a date, and another found that 22% of female rape victims had been raped by a current or former date, boy…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 10:54 PM
2

What am I getting backwards? The data shows that about 15% of FWBs turn into LTRs, and yet 50% of casual sex ends in orgasms. So there are plenty of women who have casual sex, have an orgasm, and then don't form relationships. I am a guy and it's definitely not the case that if I give a woman an orgasm, she will automatically want to be my girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 10:42 PM
7

Reposting because I am seeing the same disinformation about casual sex being posted. There is a now-deleted post on the front page where someone asserts that all women are alike in disliking casual sex (grrr) "...between 2007 and 2017 the percentage of 18-to 23-year-old men who had casual sex in the past month dropped from 38 percent to 24 percent. The percentage dropped from 31 percent to 22 percent for young women of the same age." "Most of our sample (aged 18-82; roughly as many men as women)…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 10:18 PM
1

I addressed STD risk with another poster, it’s quite low due to the base rate of STDs being pretty low. And if you use a condom the risk collapses. 33% of women have orgasms during casual sex, 80% of men have orgasms. However we know there are women who haven’t had an orgasm before, so its not clear how effective casual sex is at giving women orgasms. And men can have bad sex despite having an orgasm, I’ve been there. I don’t know how to even address violence risk, I once calculated the odds of …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 10:02 PM
1

At this point we’re speculating whether women are walking around with symptoms without knowing it. The point remains that women do not treat sex and relationships that differently whether their risk of pregnancy are high or low. STI transmission risk is higher for women by 2-3x depending on the disease, but starting from very low rates. Women have 20% chance of getting genital herpes, men have 5%; but 15% of the population has herpes so we are talking <3% chance of getting herpes from a hookup, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 09:50 PM
1

Nothing is a free lunch, I can exercise, herniate a disc, and end up crippled. But for the majority of people exercise is healthy, and for the majority of women, birth control limits pregnancy with limited side effects. First google result is from Uganda, 80% of women had no sides from BC. The remainder had either light side effects (lighter flow during periods) or heavier sides like the stuff you mentioned. Take a guess, do you think the 80% of the women without side effects are going around fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 08:59 PM
2

I don’t get what you’re arguing here. Are you saying because BC is highly effective & they’ve potentially had hookups in the past they should always want that and always want sex from strangers? I put out my view explicitly. I think women don’t have sex with every stranger they see because they don’t find most strangers attractive. However the point of my post was debunking the “sex is risky” argument which is bad and way overused. There was an old thread about “who pays for dates” and women wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 08:36 PM
1

Your source is a bit sus, I can’t find any details about the sampled population or the methodology, whereas the Stanford data is longitudinal and has more data overall. You’d need to reconcile how OLD % does not change at all in your YouGOV sample during Covid, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:24 PM
5

Condoms break and birth control in typical use is 91% effective most of the time. 1) Perfect use failure rates for iud, the pill, the patch, and any other hormonal BC, is in the 99% to 99.9% range. You’re likelier to die in a fiery crash driving to work than getting pregnant with an IUD in. This pregnancy risk argument is garbage and needs to die. If pregnancy risk explained this behavior, then women with vasectomies or with IUDs would be fucking everyone, but they’re not. 2) Women do have free …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 06:50 PM
3

“Most women don’t want casual sex” isn’t the same thing as “casual sex almost never happens.” The former statement is questionable in the first place, but posters have gone as far as to say casual sex is rare and only a tiny portion of the female population engages. It’s not that women “select for personality 95% of the time,” it’s that when people date (especially for LTR) they’re generally looking at the whole package — and most of the time, outside of the extreme ends of un/attractiveness — a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:42 AM
5

For example, I’ve never seen a single person here argue that “most women are attracted to most men,” that casual sex “almost never happens,” or that physical appearance carries “very little weight” and that people select for personality “95 per cent of the time. Those specific arguments do pop up here. There is the standard "OLD isn't real life, the only people on OLD want casual sex and most women don't want casual sex." This is a standard rebuttal whenever a pro-redpill or pro-blackpill person…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:14 AM
5

Women will leave an app if they enter an FWB or situationship as well. However the fuccboi they are seeing who wants to juggle 5 women will keep swiping.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:21 AM
14

There have been speed dating studies which attempt to replicate bar/club dynamics, and the results are what you would expect from a typical blackpill shitpost (the hottest guys were rated as having the best personalities, female interest was more concentrated than male interest). But yes it’s hard to actually get real data from bars, club, the park, etc. Worth noting that OP’s data was based on self-reports, and there are no controls preventing a couple that had a first date at a bar but actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:19 AM
9

The giga-Chad saying racist stuff to Asian women and having them give their number anyway was also world-shattering
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:21 PM
1

Not the same guy? I don’t care about the Facebook groups
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:20 PM
23

R/chadfish has literally hundreds of these, and some of the more autistic users would set up dates and get pleasure from “standing up” the woman while they sit at the bar or table next door. Women act this way with chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 10:39 PM
18

There’s several 40something married people on here. And a lot to women who met their husband at like spring fling dance in high school and have never dated after iPhones came out. And yet they try to speak with absolute authority
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 10:37 PM
3

I mean sure, there exist outliers who fall in love with ogres with a heart of gold, but asking a guy to lock down a girl who isn't physically attracted to him is basically playing roulette. The majority of women (because they are humans after all) value physical attractiveness more than other traits. So going back to your original point, I don't think men "misunderstand how attraction functions in women." This isn't some arcane topic, we know that physical attraction is #1. There's like 20 years…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 10:53 PM
7

The problem with this super well-written post is that virtually all serious research on this topic concludes that physical attractiveness is the #1 predictor of relationships, hooking up, etc., in both men and women, and by a fairly large margin. The effect size of physical attractiveness is significantly larger than the effect size of being charming, caring, extroverted, pick your personality characteristic. So there's that little issue...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 08:33 PM
5

Weird analogy because people often take jobs outside of their field or paying less than they usually make, especially during recessions or when the job market is tough. If the market is tanking (like it did this year) and you're able to keep a job in your field, that means you're a top tier worker. So if anything you're making OP's point, women don't realize how good they have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 11:15 PM
1

Yea and then you hedged it with "yea they'd have girlfriends if they were regular and neurotypical," which is exactly the standard you described for non-minorities. It's a neat trick but won't work here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 08:52 PM
1

All data disagrees with you. A book was published in 2021 called the Dating Divide with the most up-to-date stats on this topic, and controlling for education, income, appearance, etc., minorities do worse. They do roughly 50% to 66% of the volume that their white counterparts do. The Dating Divide is the first comprehensive look at "digital-sexual racism," a distinct form of racism that is mediated and amplified through the impersonal and anonymous context of online dating. Drawing on large-sca…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 07:30 PM
1

Is it conceivable to you that if their personalities were the same (still neurotypical) but they were minorities or not regular looking (I don't even know what that means, is that average?), they wouldn't have girlfriends?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:21 PM
1

Low quality content from you as always. “I know tons of short balding leprosy victims dating models bro” No one thinks 5’6” guys can’t have sex ever, it’s just harder for them and they need everything else to line up. Are these brothers you know also white, decent looking, and have hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:39 PM
1

Source plz
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 05:12 AM
1

Nothing you’ve said prevents a woman from seeking out a man willing to cut his hours to take care of children. I’m sure that men cite childcare as the #1 reason they decrease their hours, when men do decrease their hours. So back to the original point, women seek richer men because of historical/statistical evidence that they’ll be expected to stay at home? Cus I’m gonna just assert with no evidence, just as you’re doing, that it’s cus the women just want a subsidized lifestyle. Lots of “histori…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 12:15 AM
1

I mean sure, they’re below average in the sense that they’re balding or not white, but otherwise they are fit, make over six figures, and have good social lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:18 PM
1

Because generally speaking, most men aren't happy to halt their careers to take on the bulk of the child-care. Women are much more likely to work part time or take on a less demanding role for this reason. The statistical fact is that women work part time or take less demanding roles. The general feeling (really just speculation on your part) is that women do this because the man is unwilling to curtail his career. I could just as easily speculate that women just don’t want to work as hard. Both…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 08:26 PM
1

I mean we’re on Reddit, there’s gonna be basement dwellers. But you tend to handwave away every opposing view, especially if it sounds “nerdy”, with “why don’t you just go outside and talk to women you neckbeard.” It gets old. Also I lift more than you and fuck more girls, nyah
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:43 PM
6

I mean how is calling OP an incel instead of debating his points not a personal attack?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:41 PM
2

Well then dispute their data or argument. Suggesting that he’s a bad dater or “how’s that working for you” is bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:41 PM
1

The ratio is actually 60/40 in annual users, monthly users is more skewed. The issue is that 10% of the user base is ever monetized. Most dudes get so few matches, they’re not about to pay $50 a month to get twice the matches. Great, two matches a month instead of one, big whoop.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:54 PM
1

Bro I’ve been eating like 3500 cals and 250g of protein for 6 months while lifting. I was supposed to eat like 1000 fewer cals to cut weight. Now all of a sudden my shirts don’t fit and I’m full dirty bulk…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:53 PM
5

Isn’t this a personal attack on OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:50 PM
2

Only down as much as Tesla. The management is getting desperate, they are offering discount on packages of “super swipes” and assorted micro transactions. The fundamental flaw of a for-profit app is that paying for more features doesn’t get you more matches or success, so you struggle to retain users.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:48 PM
2

Yes yes, all the guys who disagree with you live in their mom’s basement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:46 PM
2

You’re not fooling anyone, you made that comment as a personal attack once you were cornered.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:40 PM
1

Wasn’t totally intentional, I stopped taking care of my diet (in terms of total calories) but kept working out so I got buff by accident. Ideally I try to stay low body fat year-round.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:37 PM
4

“If you look at the data” is a sure fire way to land a babe. Keep it up! You’re implying he currently brings data to dates, that this doesn’t work, and by extension you’re suggesting he blows up all his dates this way. Aka he’s an autist or social retard. Don’t hide behind your euphemisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:30 PM
2

it’s possible for a population to be 50/50, the hookup market to be skewed female, and the dating market for singles to be skewed male This is the part that’s more or less real life, not the actual numbers I used
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:28 PM
1

Bruh I’ve been bulking and have like 3 months of cutting ahead of me…part of me wants to sit out the fuckfest but i can’t do it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:27 PM
1

Boy oh boy, the 6 weeks between NYE and Valentine’s Day is peak time to smash single girls who felt lonely over the holidays. Sex is gonna be rly easy for the next couple of months
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:39 PM
1

Me neither, it’s a rich NYC prep school I think
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:35 PM
4

Imagine being so petty that you call a guy a nerd/loser for bringing up facts in an anonymous debate sub
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:35 PM
1

Sure, your example would be fine, but it’s not relevant. My OP is responding to people who claim that women don’t do casual, using OLD gender imbalance as their evidence. My OP is obviously not claiming that 100% of women have casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:33 PM
1

Feel free to pick any numbers you want, it will remain true that it’s possible to have more women than men having casual sex, but for there to be more men on OLD. As for me getting dates, I have an N-count of like 80 lol. Don’t worry about me gurl
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:23 PM
6

He doesn’t show up to dates with spreadsheets to show her the data…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:20 PM
1

My comment explaining the point has upvotes, the replies to the comments from you and other female users are mostly tone-policing or pedantry. Basically all the women got triggered cus a hypothetical began with “every woman has casual.” Yawn
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:14 PM
1

So women look for men with higher incomes due to a general feeling? If you met a man who made less than you and was happy to halt his career, would you marry him? Do you even entertain men like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:13 PM
1

It’s in the OP. I wanted to show that “there are more men on Tinder, therefore women do not like casual sex” is an incomplete argument, as my illustration shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:59 PM
1

You are asking me to pander to you. Obviously not 100% of women have casual sex, but I’m supposed to caveat that or this audience will dismiss the point? Just means the audience isn’t in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:57 PM
1

It was the first set of data I could find. I personally don’t care about the skews past age 30, I am a younger millennial, feel free to find data that contradicts me. If more women have sex than men in any age bracket, there is actually no way that women aren’t having more casual sex. In the spirit of my OP, pick any numbers you want and try to make it possible for there to be more women than men having sex in a 50/50 gender balanced society, but the women have less casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:52 PM
1

Imagine this to be the school where gossip girl happens
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:45 PM
1

Oh no, PPD women don’t take my anonymous post seriously 😢
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:45 PM
0

I can make up the actual digits in a math problem, but I can’t make up algebra or calculus. You can take my numbers above and change them into whatever you want. It will remain true that more women can be having more casual sex than men, despite OLD being male-dominated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:44 PM
0

*About 1 in 3 men ages 18 to 24 years reported no sexual activity in the past year, according to a new studyTrusted Source published in JAMA Network Open. Between 2000-2002 and 2016-2018, past-year sexual inactivity rose from almost 19 percent to almost 31 percent among men ages 18 to 24, according to researchers led by Dr. Peter Ueda, a postdoctoral researcher at the Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm, Sweden. Sexual inactivity among women of the same age remained relatively constant, rising fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:41 PM
0

Ehh how does one “make up” math? Other posters assert that stuff is mathematically impossible, I’m showing that it’s possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:31 PM
0

The “real life” part is that the hookup market is skewed female (in terms of who is actually hooking up, not just seeking it), while most “seeking” venues (bars, parties, OLD, etc) are skewed male.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:14 PM
0

The applicable part is the general point that it’s mathematically possible to have a sausagefest OLD and a Chad-focused dating market. What the actual ratios are isn’t as important. There are a TON of comments on PPD along the lines of “women don’t like casual sex, as evidence look at the gender skew on OLD” or “there’s a gender skew on OLD, so the dating market there can’t be 50/50” This post illustrates why those mathematical objections don’t hold water.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:07 PM
4

It’s not supposed to be realistic. When you learn about gravity, they explain how fast things fall in a vacuum. But vacuums don’t exist in real life. Why? Cus it’s simpler to explain the principle. I won’t complicate the illustration with random info like “30% are LTRs, 30% are virgins”, etc etc, just to make you feel better…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:55 PM
1

Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:48 PM
2

It’s a math problem to demonstrate a principle: you can have more women than men having casual sex, but have bars/OLDs/singles events be mostly men, even if the starting population is 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:47 PM
3

It’s an illustration of how you can have women in hookup culture but have dating apps be mostly men. The numbers are made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:42 PM
0

I know a good number of short, balding, minority guys (some of them are all three) and they get rejected by even average women. Stuff like height and race have huge effect size where 80-90% of women consider it a dealbreaker. And like, most guys are under 6ft and 40% of Americans are not white, so a lot of guys fall in this category
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:40 PM
4

Elaborate on these unequal risks given the existence of birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:36 PM
2

Wouldn’t family planning benefit from the woman earning more and the man bearing home/child responsibility? Why is seeking a man with higher income necessary
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:33 PM
1

Imagine a high school with 100 guys and 100 girls. Casual hookups are common. However the women have sex with half of the guys semi regularly (once a week let’s say). Then the hookup guys would have sex twice a week, the non-hookup guys would be virgins. 100 women would be partaking in hookup culture but only 50 men. Most importantly, notice how there are 0 women who are totally available, but there are 50 available men. Let’s say you created a dating app in this school for the unattached. It wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:31 PM
8

Imagine a high school with 100 guys and 100 girls. Casual hookups are common. However the women have sex with half of the guys semi regularly (once a week let’s say). Then the hookup guys would have sex twice a week, the non-hookup guys would be virgins. 100 women would be partaking in hookup culture but only 50 men. Most importantly, notice how there are 0 women who are totally available, but there are 50 available men. Let’s say you created a dating app in this school for the unattached. It wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:30 PM
1

Might not surprise you that I use height filters on OLD apps 🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:23 PM
2

Yeah she had the perfect gym girl body. Might not be natty tho
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 11:58 PM
2

This is my dream body in women 🥵
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 11:58 PM
2

As we arrive at Espace and I realize we’ll have a good table, relief washes over me in an awesome wave.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 11:52 PM
2

I read the thread and you are misrepresenting the argument. The guy’s point is that unless you have phenomenal genetics and insertions, you can be a seriously strong lifter but look DYEL if you’re natty. He’s of course correct since genetics vary so much. Taking myself as an example: I’m natty and my best lifts are 525# DL, 465# squat, 225# bench at 205#. I’m 6’2”. Thing is, I’m a lanky guy and at low bodyfat I don’t look big at all. When I would set up by 4-plate deadlifts, people in the gym wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 11:32 PM
1

I don't think 1 partner is promiscuous. I'm just saying there aren't a lot of virgins or 1 N count women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 04:07 AM
1

You absolutely don’t need to know how to cook to live, you can eat pre-made meals or fast food or get delivery. Cooking as an activity and art form is mostly for fun and satisfactions, same as having good sex. Also the whole “sex isn’t a need” debate is beyond the scope of this convo
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 01:12 PM
5

The average partner count is 6 by age 27. And something like 20% of women have had 1-2 partners. I don’t care about N counts and think this is a moronic debate, but if you are looking for a virgin or a woman with one other partner, that’s very rare after high school/college.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 01:07 PM
2

Bro you’re fighting the good fight but the poster you are responding to has 0 clue how statistics work. This is a widespread problem on PPD, that’s why every study, even peer-reviewed in journals, has “a tiny sample size of only 300 people” and should be ignored
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 01:03 PM
2

People just want to get better at things. Same reason why people try to become better writers, athletes, cooks, etc etc. By your logic, why try to become a good cook? It's just food.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 01:24 AM
4

I can corroborate this, I have had women cut it off after I slept with them. A few were rebounding from a boyfriend I'm Black and a few wanted to "try it out" A few were just in it for the sex (women can do this too)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 12:56 AM
1

But that's just part of the learning process? Unless you have perfect sex intuition, there's room for improvement. It doesn't mean what you were doing before was "bad". It's like playing a musical instrument, you can be an international touring professional and there are still notes you could have played differently/better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 12:54 AM
1

It's mostly water, it comes out of the urethra but has low levels of urea and uric acid. Theory is that it's a vestigal version of the male prostate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 12:21 AM
2

Find a girl who likes talking scientifically about sex. She might be on the spectrum though. I know a lot about anatomy and I've talked to women scientifically about sex during pillow talk before. I made one girl squirt and I explained to her how that isn't pee but it might feel like she needs to pee (the gland that produces squirting presses against the bladder during sex)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:30 PM
1

Strong 6 is pretty good, means you're above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:27 PM
1

Applies to both genders but when the other person says "I'm close" or "I'm coming," don't stop doing whatever you're doing at all costs. If you're a person about to come, try not to say "I'm close." Cus if you don't come soon, your partner might get discouraged and start doing different things (instead of what made you get close). Instead, say "don't stop" or "keep going." This keeps their mind off of the destination (orgasm) and puts their mind on the process (continuing to lick/suck/thrust).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:23 PM
1

Don't stay a virgin, sex is great. In practice you don't do a scientific deep dive to figure out what you like. Instead, each person just gives the other feedback. Here's an example, I might go down on a girl and start licking her clit. She says "harder," I gradually apply more force with my licks, she moans and bucks her hips, and I know that the pressure feels good. So I just stick to that pressure. Next time I'm going down on her (that session or another sex session), I remember to start at a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:20 PM
1

If your partner ever gave you constructive feedback, you'd stop initiating sex with him? You'd rather he stay quiet if something doesn't feel good or could feel better? Doesn't sound healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:14 PM
5

Pure starfish sex would be if the woman laid there motionless and silent while you pumped into her. That's pretty rare. But there's definitely lots of jellyfish sex (looking for a nautical creature that moves only a little) where she gives you an occasional moan but otherwise does not actively move her body; where she gives 0 feedback whether something feels good or not (you're just supposed to "get it"); and where you have to select every position. Basically a passive partner. This is very comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:12 PM
4

Don't get me started on mouth size... I like a good BJ but unfortunately I was blessed (cursed?) with a lot of girth. Many girls have said that their jaw hurts during BJs, or they get tired and can't put in the 10 mins it'd take to nut. So I did some research. Turns out comfort during BJs is related to MMO (maximum mouth opening), which is a measurement taken if you have lockjaw or other jaw disorders. The more MMO, the more comfortably you can take a girthy dick. The #1 variable that correlates…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:05 PM
2

I literally picked up a woman from the bar in the past couple weekends, and I'm telling you that it's harder than it used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 01:22 AM
–

Right. PPD men want sex slaves for spouses. Internet is rotting your brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 07:46 PM
–

Domesticated slavery...might be time for you to go outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 07:15 PM
3

I do participate in hobbies and activities. The people there who are attractive typically have partners they met on OLD. There's no meaningful separating between IRL and OLD in that sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 07:12 PM
1

The most popular dating apps are bumble and hinge, and they are 60/40. Also the yearly average user base is more balanced than the monthly average, ie women take breaks and delete/reinstall, whereas men keep using it. This talking point that OLD is 90% men needs to die, it’s wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 02:58 PM
2

During Covid I started shopping at Costco and doing bulk meal prep. I was eating 2500-3000 calories a day of high-protein meals for something like $2.50 a meal. It required 4 hours on Sunday to get the groceries, cook, separate the food into containers, and refrigerate/freeze them. And sometimes I got tired of eating the same shit and ordered DoorDash. But in terms of healthy food for cheap, Costco bulk meal prep is unbeatable. Also I live in LA, food here is super expensive
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 01:07 AM
1

I don’t understand why you’re bringing up the “man-child husband” scenario or the unequal relationship scenario. Did the OP suggest the couple were traditional?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:40 AM
1

He’d be called degenerate by women probably
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:38 AM
1

I’m a bit confused. When you say traditional monogamous relationship, you mean the man is the primary breadwinner, the woman manages the home and child rearing, and the guy sets the family agenda? If so, do you think women only stop blowing their husbands if the husband is a traditional domineering patriarch type? But if the husband is egalitarian it’s ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:31 AM
4

The complaint isn’t that the boyfriend never got any blowjobs in club bathrooms like the chads; the complaint is that he doesn’t get blowjobs now from his girlfriend, even though she gave the chads blowjobs in the bathroom. I don’t understand how “dominion over women” factors into this scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:06 AM
1

I’m a bit too old for tiktok but if the women are talking about slut moments and escapades, there’ll be callouts. If they’re talking about their sexuality (what turns them on etc), who cares
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:03 AM
2

If there are male users seriously shitting on women for talking about their sexuality, that’s an easy block. The whole “I want a chaste virgin and if she’s ever touched a man she’s defiled” is incl content as far as I’m concerned
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:40 AM
1

The usual complaint is that he loves her, she blew guys in a club, but their sex life is kinda mediocre (no BJs for example). Then he gets rly insecure that she isn’t attracted. I imagine that if your gf has done kinky stuff before but is even kinkier with you, it’s not gonna break your heart
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:37 AM
1

“Shit on women for being sexually active” is a direct reference to the N-count agitators.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:35 AM
1

Ok? Just ignore those guys and post in the threads where people aren’t complaining about N counts. I cannot overstate how little I or any of my male friends give a fk about N-count
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:34 AM
4

Oh great, this post again. Guys with options (the focus of the “if you withhold he will leave” threads) place women into different tiers. Roughly in descending order of investment/commitment, they are LTR, FWB, fuckbuddy (where you don’t even socialize, she just gets a “you up” 2am text), and finally ONS. Note that the guy has sex with the women across all tiers. There’s no “we’re getting to know each other platonically” tier. At best, he might pursue an LTR and not have sex during the courtship…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:31 AM
8

How does a reply like this not get modded if this is a CMV? Just generally this comment section is extremely circlejerky.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:04 AM
–

PPD users should stop using N-count obsession as a rhetorical point. Every other post is about how guys hold contradictory views because of low n-counts. Plenty of guys don’t care (myself included) so for us there’s no contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 12:58 AM
3

Gotta give it to the incls, they are fully aware that they are not good enough and Chad wouldn’t have had to pay for the datw
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 09:58 AM
1

OP would have helped his case by explaining what AGI and haptics mean. Cus the posters here keep saying stuff like “you can’t replace human connection bro.” AGI stands for artificial general intelligence. Presumably such an AGI would be able to pass the Turing test, aka you wouldn’t be able to distinguish it from a human during interaction. If this AGI was inside of a sex doll that was sufficiently lifelike, it would 100% be able to build a human connection with you, much more than basic Becky f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 09:24 AM
2

Fine to focus on your studies but your social situation won’t get better until you leave your parent’s house in a small rural town. If your grades are solid and you think you can get a job after graduation, I’d still try to transfer onto campus and pay with scholarships + loans.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:31 PM
4

A friend of mine went on dates with the dental hygienist who was cleaning his teeth. He’s attractive and she started hitting on him. OP’s guidelines are useless because the ROI and appropriateness completely depend on how attractive you are, they can’t be discussed in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:21 PM
1

How are your grades now?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:17 PM
1

How much for you to attend the state university in your state? Transfer there and pay for on-campus living with a combination of student loans and a job. I pulled up a midwestern state school, the in-state tuition is ~15k for transfers. Even if you take out all loans, it’ll be manageable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:17 PM
2

When is the soonest you can leave your small town?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:06 PM
8

The guy is ALWAYS banging models and the biggest playboy in their friend group. That’s how you know it’s a LARP. They could say they know a short dude who got a girlfriend, but they gotta be extra dramatic and say he’s smashing 3 VS models, so stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:55 PM
4

Unironically, cool story bro. I’ve been to Ljubljana and Lake Bled and they’re both very nice. I didn’t expect the lake to be so crystalline. Very friendly locals, my Airbnb host took me to Metelkova with his skater friends. Congrats on your wedding.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:11 PM
2

Are you now arguing that public utilities are held to the same standard of growth as technology companies? That’s insane. Also Bumble stock has cratered since IPO and yes people have gotten fired. Bro I don’t think you have any idea how the stock market works.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 02:36 PM
1

The absolute consensus on this sub is that dating apps don’t work, no one uses them, and they are worse than real life analog dating. I just wanted someone to defend that consensus. It’s a deafening rebuke that none of the anti-app crowd could even cite a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 01:59 PM
2

If you are the CEO of Bumble and you have no growth, you get fired. This isn’t complicated. Public companies need to generate growth for their investors. Every service benefits from you not succeeding and coming back. Your plumber would love for your toilet to not be fixed and for you to come back. Your doctor wants to keep you sick. Job-finder websites want you to be unemployed. But this doesn’t mean that an individual is better off not using these services. We keep going back and forth on this…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 01:57 PM
4

Slovenia is a lovely place. How did your wife’s family react to her bringing home a Black, let alone a non-Slavic, guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:16 PM
9

Women don’t actually approach on Bumble, they just gatekeep conversations by being the first to send a message. 90%+ of messages on bumble from women are “hi.” Then the guy is expected to pick up the conversation and drive it somewhere. Thing is, matching already gatekeeps conversation so the added layer doesn’t do much
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:52 AM
1

You change the game because you are a publically traded company and your investors demand growth. Amazon also makes a ton of money but they release new products and upgrades all the time. If earnings growth is 0 because they are sitting around doing nothing, the stock price will tank. This casino analogy is kinda weird, people who go to Vegas go for entertainment, they know the odds are poor. Dating apps sell a service and when an app sucks, people drop it. happn and coffee-meets-bagel are both …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:46 AM
12

That’s cus each of those posts is LARPing about an “insert unattractive guy” who is slamming supermodels all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 01:18 AM
1

Dating apps aren’t a monopoly though, there is competition (albeit it’s only between two companies, bumble and Match group). So why wouldn’t this competition work as it should and generate value for the customer?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 01:17 AM
1

User stats are 60/40 men/women on Bumble if you consider annual users. If you consider monthly users it skews more male. Women use the apps and get off (probably after getting dates or a situationship).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:09 PM
1

User stats are 60/40 men/women on Bumble if you consider annual users. If you consider monthly users it skews more male. Women use the apps and get off (probably after getting dates or a situationship). So even this argument is a bit shaky.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:09 PM
0

I’m kinda shocked, there are 10 responses and not a single one with data or much besides anecdote.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:09 PM
1

Any source or data on this? Are women less attracted to men they meet On OLD vs IRL?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:08 PM
1

Well I asked for non-anecdotal/non-speculative arguments…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:07 PM
1

I literally just gave you an example of a for-profit enterprise (law firm) that outperforms an individual showing up to court to defend themselves. So the fact that the apps are profit-driven doesn’t prove anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:06 PM
2

These are all speculative, do you have any data or stats behind any of these? Cus I can easily come up with counterarguments 1) women outside also use apps, no diff in competition 2) women IRL can’t vet your job/education like they can online, so you are riskier 3) women give out numbers at bars and flake all the time, and have since the beginning of the cell phone. Is an app match flakier than a phone number? 4) women care about texting and will get upset if a partner doesn’t text them enough. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:04 PM
1

Yeah but couldn’t I say the same about IRL? There are lots of lonely virgins in college that haven’t used apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:57 PM
2

I have seen relationships like this. I’ve also seen relationships where the woman fills some niche that the man wants, for example she has freak show boobs or she’s some esoteric nationality. Also this is speculative, 0 stats behind these claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:36 PM
2

There are other for-profit services that skim off the top but outperform going it alone. Getting a lawyer for legal work for example. So how is this different? This is also a speculative argument, you kinda just asserted stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:34 PM
3

Can someone make a convincing (i.e. not purely speculative argument) why dating apps are a bad pipeline and guys would do better outside of dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:12 PM
1

I mean I’ve also met short guys who get dates on OLD. There are exceptions to every rule when people are involved. But it’s not like a short guy does significantly better in real life versus on OLD. It’ll be a grind either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:57 PM
1

Oh I missed the first sentence of your OP. Yeah for the optimal body, women can’t just lose weight. They need to lift too. However 99% of the population doesn’t have and will never have an optimum body (instagram-tier). But for women to have a good-enough body, they can just lose weight. You have to have awful genetics as a woman to have an unattractive body (to men) at 25% bodyfat. On the other hand, a guy who lifts no weights and is skinny-fat will get clowned at 15% bodyfat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:55 PM
3

Hemsworth had to get to 215# for the previous Thor movie, while ripped. And for the latest Thor movie, they wanted him even bigger. Let’s say he got to 225# at 10% bf. That’s a FFMI of 25, which is often cited as the natty limit (it’s not but most guys above this are roided). And Hemsworth has to diet down and lose weight for different roles, yet he maintains a 25 ffmi at age 40. It’s extremely sus.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:51 PM
3

Losing weight is easier than gaining muscle so its not exactly the same as telling lanky dudes to “lift things.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:42 PM
1

You seem pretty young, at my age (early 30s) I am not super-drunk around women and neither are they, and if they feel bad/pressured/intimidated, they should maybe work on setting boundaries because they’re a 30something year old woman. So, the risk that a woman fucked fast because she was pressured (lol) versus the risk that she didn’t fuck fast cus she isn’t attracted is massively skewed towards the latter once one is out of college
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:56 AM
1

He’s the omelette maker, the women are the eggs. The omelettes are dates/sex/relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:39 AM
1

No projection necessary. If she has sex with you fast, she finds you attractive. If she doesn’t, there’s a chance she finds you attractive and a chance she doesn’t. Unless you are a degenerate gambler, don’t invest into high-risk situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:38 AM
1

If she banged Chad in the club toilet 2 years ago and met Chad again, she’d probably do the same. But Billy has to wait. Ergo Chad is more attractive to her than Billy. He should bounce. Why date a woman who finds you less attractive than some guy she ducked in a bathroom
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:42 AM
1

I can’t link blackpill studies or I get banned, but if you set up an experimental dating app and have women rate men, the physical appearance of the men explains 80% of the variance. They also found that the impact of stuff like intelligence or friendliness increases the more attractive the man; in other words, if you are hot, you might get an extra boost for being smart and hot. If you’re ugly, your rating doesn’t change either way, it stays low. Redpill has no empirical backing so I tried to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:18 AM
1

This is the textbook AF/BB then. Chad fucks her in the club toilet, but Billy is a “good guy” so let’s make him wait cus he’s boyfriend material. Billy should bounce.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:14 AM
1

So if I say “you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs” in reference to needing to risk rejection to get a date, I think women are eggs and should be shattered?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:12 AM
0

Didn’t realize you were a woman but yeah you def haven’t dated any 30yo looking for a husband asap They come into the date with a checklist, they “learned from their past and realize they should wait for sex,” and it’s important that you make enough money for their lifestyle. Chances are they won’t fuck you much after marriage, you’re a BB and a dead bedroom awaits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 10:58 PM
1

What mistake? Sleeping with the guy and not getting a relationship out of it? So she’s learned that her attempt to barter with sex has failed, so she should be even more transactional and not have sex until he provides exclusivity? Easy pass for me
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 10:51 PM
3

Should the government charge a “chad tax” for every side-girl that Chad is fucking?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 10:49 PM
5

This exists in Japan btw, for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 10:40 PM
2

You haven’t dated enough 30yo women looking to get married/have a kid ASAP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 10:39 PM
13

Married adults who met before dating apps might as well be in another generation. Current singles are playing a different game.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 10:35 PM
1

OP doesn’t understand blackpill and the difference with redpill. Blackpill says the male attraction equation is 80% looks, 20% other (game status etc etc). RP says 50% looks, 50% other. Both agree you need a 90% or higher to get anywhere. Bluepill says be yourself and socialize, cus they know a 5’4” balding janitor who fucks models. That’s basically it. Reevaluating attraction, paternity fraud, they are random debates. The central debate is above.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 10:23 PM
7

If she’s low n-count and won’t sleep with you, then maybe she’s into you but just needs to get comfortable. You might be a BB but it’s not obvious If she’s high n-count and won’t sleep with you, then you’re a BB. No guy knows if he’s a BB or not until the girl starts slow-rolling sex. If she just fucks him then there’s no AF/BB issue whether she’s high or low N.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 10:18 PM
1

Jobs can’t creative collaboration? If I am a professional musician and I get a bandmate, he’s a commodity? Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 10:15 PM
1

Can I use fishing language if I don’t treat the woman like a fish?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:08 PM
1

Using accounting language to describe the productivity of employees is denying their humanity? You know what does deny humanity? Running a shit biz and not paying living wages because KikiYuyu didn’t learn her accounting and tone-policed on Reddit instead
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 08:01 PM
2

Minorities will 100% be called creepy at a club, I assume you are ok with this and aren’t suggesting they stay home? And it’s ok if they’re not chaperoned by white friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:59 PM
1

A labor relationship is not that different from a romantic relationship (involves breathing human beings, needs to be mutually beneficial, either party can walk away, there is the potential for exploitation), and yet labor relationships can be modeled with equations. Sorry your argument that relationships are so mystical and sacred we can’t use cold language is pretty lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:58 PM
1

If you were gonna start a biz and wanted to know how to make money, do you read the business book or do you ask the workers picketing asking for more benefits?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:46 PM
1

If you think you have body dysmorphia, watch this video: https://youtu.be/BGkQpmdqgPY Just because you don’t like how fat your face looks doesn’t mean you have dismorphia, the doctor in the video explains the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:31 PM
1

I got eye surgery for a condition where my lower eyelids drooped and were not symmetrical. Usually people with this condition have a thyroid disease but I had the benign version (meaning the surgery was cosmetic)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:22 PM
1

Totally depends on your genetics. Some guys have a jawline at 15% or 20% (if that was you, you’d probably know cus you’d be hot despite not being shredded). For others the chiseled look only comes at 8-9%. The lowest I’ve gone is 12% and I still had some moonface, but way more definition than at 18%. Muscle is relevant but from a pure hotness perspective, the main benefit is giving your face more definition. There are a good number of skinnyfat male models out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:50 PM
1

Biggest bang for your buck would be losing body fat. If you’re lucky, you have a killer jawline under all that fat and you’ll look hot at 10% bf. Next would be haircuts, skincare, and teeth. If you’re not hot by this point, you need aggressive interventions like surgery and you might get 0 benefit for high costs and high risks. I wouldn’t bother with this step unless you’ve done extensive research. I got surgery but I read dozens of medical articles about my procedure and consulted surgeons in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:15 PM
1

So your answer is, in order to accommodate racist women who exist in the population, the Indian guy should not go to bars, clubs, events, or other venues where he does not know the women ahead of time? He must also make sure he is chaperoned by white people so that he can get a pre-approval dividend? I think the Indian guy should do whatever would be reasonable for a white guy his age, and not limit himself to coddle women’s hermetically sealed bubble of comfort. I am deeply disturbed that you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:07 PM
6

Your argument immediately collapses if you introduce racial minorities. An Indian guy with an accent living in a predominantly white area will at some point be called creepy if he approaches a woman who is bothered by racial minorities. So the only way for him to avoid acting creepy is to stay home and never talk to women ever. It doesn’t have to be race, there are plenty of factors that will make a guy come off as creepy even if his actions are totally socially acceptable. But race is an easy w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:45 PM
5

Have you ever read a business book? It’s quite cold and detached, employees’ labor are a “cost of goods sold,” your secretary is an “operating expense,” and the money you pay cus an employee got injured is “provisioning.” But the business book teaches you how to make money. So, do you want to learn how to make money or do you want a fuzzy feeling about how to look at people? Same thing with Redpill language
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:38 PM
1

This is a good strategy, thanks. I don’t usually offer to uber her over but I should def do that. One question, when you do drinks close to your place, do you make it clear that you live close to there when you pitch the date? I’m a bit worried she gets sketched out if I spring it at the venue itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:23 AM
2

I kinda bring this upon myself cus my OLD profiles have my job and education which are kinda a giveaway that I can spend. But I can’t realistically remove that info. I’m thinking of getting rid of any “fancy” pics like me at weddings or traveling.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:04 AM
5

So I am fortunate enough to be top 1% of income, but because my parents had a nasty divorce over money when I was little, I don’t want money to contaminate any potential relationships. So I try to keep the courtship phase modest. If we get drinks, it’s at a mid-tier hip bar, not a fancy restaurant or hotel. If we do dinner, it’s at a gastropub or an eclectic ethnic restaurant. I show up in well-fitted but not high-fashion clothing (mostly J-Crew and scotch&soda). No watch and I either show up in…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 11:49 PM
2

I’m closing in on 100 bodies, get at me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:11 PM
7

Eastern Europe has one of the highest rates of STEM education among women (legacy of the Soviet era), good chance that the average Ukrainian woman in Kiev is more educated than the average American woman walking around Chicago or St Louis.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 06:59 PM
1

Scale of 1/10 with 5 being average, how would you rate your looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 06:32 PM
0

Hehehe the manosphere’s version of inflation is the % of sexless guys. We went from 80% to 99% in like 5 years, take that Jerome Powell
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:52 PM
3

The issue is that if you ask a typical single 20something or 30something woman to describe the kind of guy she wants, she describes a top-shelf man. Or alternatively, if you describe the median guy to a woman, she finds it unattractive. It’s easiest to see this with income. 20something year old women don’t realize how little money the average guy makes. If she wants to be a SAHM for any point of her kids’ childhood, that automatically means she’s looking for a top 10% guy, because making twice t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:50 PM
1

Sure OLD has a bigger pool so there are more extremes in the pool, but even my local bar has tall hot guys and short fat guys, poor guys and rich guys, etc. I don’t disagree that OLD is more competitive and more winner-take-all. But it’s not true that IRL is easy, “just go to the bar and socialize bro.” The correlation between OLD success and IRL success is very high
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:43 PM
1

You’re missing out, this sub is basically Chad-halla
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:40 PM
1

Incl content includes “woe is me” posting and general doomer posts. This whole thread is textbook doomer “woe is me” whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:52 PM
1

Ok, I reported you for incl content.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:46 PM
1

If you’ll only bang redditors who can overhead press you, you’re not gonna have sex for a while
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:44 PM
1

Ok. So what now?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:40 PM
1

Umm the purpose of a nightclub, bar, or yoga class is to maximize profit, not ensure you meet people. So…don’t leave the house?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:36 PM
1

Most annoying part about this post is all the white knights trying to make you feel better about yourself. Yeah maybe it’s true that men don’t care about you and your ex secretly taught of you as no better than a dog he can plow. What are you going to do? Cry on Reddit? Have an existential crisis? You have nothing to live for if men don’t love you unconditionally? If a dude posted shit like this it would get mocked and banned for incl content.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:32 PM
1

What’s the difference huehuehue
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:28 PM
1

A 185 lbs overhead press is approaching elite level. I say this as a 220# guy who has deadlifted 525#. I am much more impressed by 2-plate overhead press than 4-plate deadlift
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:25 PM
1

“Hurt and manipulated” women is a byproduct, not the intended goal. If I could sleep with lots of attractive women by being a decent person, I would. Unfortunately it’s better to be a bit toxic and pump-and-dump if she’s not relationship material. The alternative would be to pour a ton of time and energy into a bad deal. It’s like in start-ups, you need to fail fast and that means blowing up companies and laying people off periodically, but every so often you strike gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:49 PM
3

Yea blackpill has horrendous marketing. Not many users here, where you’d expect pills to be well understood, know the different between blackpill/lookism and incels/LDAR types. Redpill has always had lookism. The advice about lifting, or the PUA concept of “naturals” which is proto-Chad. Redpill just puts too much weight on game. Of course a guy should have basic social skills and not be a doormat, but if you’re getting 0 interest from women because of your looks, having ironclad frame isn’t goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:26 PM
4

If you are a typical guy in a typical city, your local watering hole is a sausagefest and your personal network is mostly men (most people have more friends of their gender). So same gender skew as OLD. Btw OLD apps like Bumble are closer to 60/40
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:18 PM
2

Well I would actually get banned/moderated if I elaborated on this, but I think race is the #1 factor on OLD (to be more precise, race would explain the difference between guys’ match rates more than any other single variable)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:15 PM
4

Well there are hardcore incls and doomers who will say it’s over if you’re below 6ft. But “mainstream” blackpill totally believes money and status matter, just that looks is 80% or so of the equation. I won’t link any content/studies because that’s grounds for moderation here, but the thrust of the blackpill view is that the effect size of looks is larger than other factors. I don’t know anyone besides trolls who thinks the effect size of money is 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:08 PM
7

The weight of the evidence falls on the blackpill imo. Study after study finds that the most important variable in attraction is physical appearance which is more blackpill than redpill
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:46 PM
16

You live in a Disney fairytale if you think his story sounds fake. I’m not short but I’m a minority, and I’ve been told to my face that “sorry, you are great but I don’t date XYZ guys…” I’ve heard this dozens of times, and there are probably more who feel this way but don’t actually say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:43 PM
3

PPD loves one-liners, many posters would take your second paragraph and express it as “women think older guys are gross” which is absolutist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:39 PM
1

I’m saying that if you have 5 girls you’re attracted to equally and the only thing that makes you prefer one over the other, is who’s putting out: you’re not genuinely attracted to that person, you’re attracted to her appearance or the appeal of sex. So if I have 5 women who are all amazing, but one of them fucks me as soon as I meet her, I actually didn’t care that they were amazing, I was in it for the sex only? Do you think there is 0 value to quicker sex? A decent guy would never ever care w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 08:26 AM
1

No shortage of men without compassion who can sleep with a ton of girls. Not a lot of women who are 2s who are popular with guys. Edit: I had to address this because it’s a common argument and just so backwards. Why would someone who’s already getting so much ass abide by an extreme scarcity mindset? Imagine applying the same logic to anything else. A rich guy assessing a business opportunity: “how could someone who has so money demand that a business opportunity generate returns so quickly?” A …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 02:20 AM
1

Am literally typing this while taking a dump
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 04:16 PM
1

The hottest girls I’ve been with, 50% were IRL, 50% were online. Now the IRL girls were at a club and we hooked up, I don’t cold approach hot chicks at the grocery store (maybe I should?), so one advantage of OLD is you can more easily date the girl. Very easy for a bar hookup to go nowhere after.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 12:58 PM
1

Take the goat-pill
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 11:24 PM
1

First of all the gender skew on OLD is closer to 60/40, but the active user skew is 90-10. I think this is because women delete the app when they’re in a situationship or fed up, whereas men keep swiping away even if they have 4 plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 10:50 PM
3

I’ve approached probably thousands of women and I have dozens of notches from cold approaching at bars. I’ve literally cold approached future girlfriends at parties. And even then, I think OLD is a better pipeline overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 10:45 PM
2

So you’re gonna define “high quality” as “waits for sex?” If the guy is 6’4”, a millionaire, ripped, handsome, famous, and runs a charity for starving children, but he only dates women who fuck him fast, he’s low quality? Or are you saying a guy with those attributes would necessarily wait for sex? If so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 10:42 PM
2

Ehh if the drop in success rate is smaller than the increase in volume, OLD is better. 1/10th the hit rate but more than 10x the volume, OLD is better. I can swipe on 1 profile every 3 seconds. OLD is probably 100x the volume. I know my match rate, it’s like 1-2%. I can stop the exercise there, I know my IRL match rate can’t be 100x
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 10:40 PM
2

One data point that corroborates your last paragraph is that the yearly average user base for tinder/Bumble/etc is more equal than the monthly average user base. I.e. men log in more often than women even if both genders use the app over the course of a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 10:37 PM
2

I guess I’m struggling with your idea of “similar expectations.” It presupposes that sex is worth more than half a meal, and how that’s ludicrous. But why is it ludicrous? If sex is “cheap” because Chad has 100 offers, maybe she should be paying him. Would that be such a big departure from half a date? Also I don’t think OP expects his Dutch Applebees to be respected. His point is that if a woman doesn’t play his game, he can find another who will, and if every eligible guy begins to behave this…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 10:34 PM
8

You said you had never met any woman like this, and asked for examples. I offered examples. I’m sure you can find the rate of mental health issues in low N-count women vs high N-count women on the internet, but that wasn’t your OP
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:27 AM
5

I know that ONS has existed forever, so has prostitution. I just want us to focus on the courtship ritual. Is your objection that sex is so risky that the guy should invest more? He should go on 10 dates and really commit because sex is risky? Well, how risky? If he has a vasectomy and a clean STD test fresh from the doctor, can he then have first date sex after Dutch Applebees? Now I’m being facetious but the risk of sex is clearly not relevant here. Personally I wouldn’t date a woman if it too…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:20 AM
6

The average N-count is 7 I believe? I know plenty of women with N-counts in the double-digits that are highly successful, functional people. Some are married with kids now. Biggest slut I ever met was getting trains run on her in college, now a VP at a big firm, married, rich, living the dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:03 AM
4

Sorry I forgot that the value of 1/2 an appetizer and a cheeseburger is essentially equal to having sex… Again you’re facetious, but it’s not like you decide what’s an appropriate courtship ritual before sex right? Society and the market does. 100 years ago, if I wanted to have sex with a woman that wasn’t a prostitute, I would have had to court her, meet her parents, prove that I had income, and probably get married. 10 years ago, I might have gone on 3 dates, including a well-planned dinner, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:58 AM
2

1) not all men care about low-n count women. I don’t 2) if men all collectively said “we don’t care about n-counts,” you wouldn’t start advocating for women to drop their standards and fuck more dudes, so the “contradiction” argument is a circlejerk 3) there’s a thread on the front page where women are saying “only a handful of times in my life, I met a guy and wanted to fuck him on the spot.” The men in your OP want to be the guys in that thread. So where’s the contradiction again?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:50 AM
7

That’s armchair psychology. You think every guy on OLD is on there because he has no friends? Seriously? Even the people who get married on OLD and clearly have friends at the wedding? They were all avoidant too?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:40 AM
8

I’m with OP here. A girl who sleeps with you on the first date hasn’t fucked every man she has ever gone on a date with on the first date. OP wants to be in the elite circle of guys she actually bangs fast. There’s no contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:36 AM
10

You’re using shaming language, but why is sex on the 3rd date and the guy paying the bill any more appropriate? OPs point is that market forces (low supply of datable men on OLD) force women to move the relationship along (take initiative, be available, have sex sooner) or stay single. If you believe his argument, then depending on the state of the market, a woman might very well need to put out on the first date if the eligible guys on her app of choice otherwise have tons of options that put o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:32 AM
3

I can’t speak for what % of women are active users of OLD, but 50% of women in my dating pool (born after 1990 basically) have used a dating app. I live in a big city so I assume the rate is higher here. So OLD is quite prolific. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/02/06/10-facts-about-americans-and-online-dating/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 01:58 AM
1

I disagree and I think that poster does not have a clue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 01:53 AM
31

I drink, go out, and have a social circle, and OLD is my best pipeline by far. You overestimate how many women at work, or friends-of-friends, or at bars, are a) single, and b) prefer meeting a guy in real life to the options on her app or Instagram. If I was really working a room and talking to everyone, I would come across 5 single women in an hour at a bar (bars in my city are full of groups of 8-10, where the women showed up with their boyfriend, their bffs, etc). I can go through 100 profil…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 01:51 AM
3

The other apps are much better, Bumble and Hinge are the most popular and they are 60/40 men to women. However the male users are more active and likelier to pay for the boosts etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 01:45 AM
1

I remember I once responded to a post about casual sex and I used my casual sex experience as reference. Got accused of bragging.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 10:06 PM
2

Unreal… If she wants me to give her a toe-curling h-spot orgasm but I don’t, is that sexual assault? If I tickle her and she doesn’t like tickling, is it sexual assault? If she wants me to jizz in her and I pull out, is that sexual assault? Cus it sounds like sexual assault = “woman didn’t get exactly what she wanted”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 10:03 PM
2

People are taking the view that cumming inside the girl when she didn’t expect it is assault?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 09:58 PM
1

Guy can’t talk about having sex or he gets accused of bragging…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 09:57 PM
2

Have you considered that you have the causality backwards? The porn didn’t hamper his ability to form relationships, he was already unable to get a relationship so porn filled the gap?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 01:57 PM
1

Not sure where you live but 3rd world countries, especially Eastern Europe, are notorious for having couples where the guy is significantly uglier than the woman because he brings home the bacon and spoils her. I couldn’t believe the kind of couples I saw in Poland/Ukraine. This is way less common in the US/Canada/Western Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 01:54 PM
2

My OP asked women how they define casual sex. “Discussed my expectation” sounds like a DTR conversation. You say to the guy “I want us to be boyfriend girlfriend,” he agrees, you then have sex. If he doesn’t agree to be bf/gf at the current moment, but rather just agrees to it down the line, I’d call it casual sex. I’m not sure where these situations fall for you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 01:37 PM
2

I got blitzed over the weekend for the USA World Cup game and had blackout sex with a lady I met at the bar. I have no recollection of meeting her and we exchanged names and personal details in the morning. Tried to have sex but I was too hung over to get erect. We cuddled and had a nice chat about music, interior decor, what books we were reading. I nursed her hangover as best as I could and she went home. I had a lovely time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 03:36 AM
2

If you define casual by your intent and not by the reality of you not being exclusive when you had sex, what’s to prevent a woman from sleeping with a guy she just met at a frat party and saying it’s not casual because she wanted a relationship and did not actively seek to end it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 03:28 AM
1

Honestly I think the term “casual sex” triggers people and makes them feel slutty, so they add bells and whistles so that the sex they had outside a relationship doesn’t count. I’m getting serious “it doesn’t count as sex, I only gave a BJ” vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 01:28 AM
2

Sure but discussing your expectations doesn’t determine whether the other person will reach out again. That’s their decision. What I’m getting at is, if it’s not casual sex because you discussed your expectation of a relationship before sleeping with him, does it become casual sex if he then ghosts you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 01:26 AM
1

Are you surprised to hear that people are giving different answers? This explains why there are so many PPD arguments over casual sex, we’ve all been talking past each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 11:53 PM
1

I’ve only dated one woman where we only had sex after defining the relationship, but we’d fooled around and I had a hunch the sex would be good, it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 11:51 PM
1

Why would you assume you’d never hear from an FWB again any more than you’d hear from a guy you’ve gone on 3 dates with and want to get serious with?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 11:50 PM
2

In what context is it useful to distinguish between casual sex with casual intention vs casual sex with relationship intention? Also whose intention matters? Hers, his, or both? And at what time? At orgasm, the next morning, the next day?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 11:48 PM
1

Q4W: how do you define casual sex? Attn: Lilith
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 10:39 PM
2

So if you fuck a guy in the bathroom of a club but you intend to date him afterwards, it doesn’t count as casual? Now I see why women say they never have casual sex. As long as they wanna see the guy again it’s not casual, even if he’s banging 10 other guys. “A pro athlete DM’d me and I went straight to his hotel room, he doesn’t seem to remember my name, but I intended to be his baby mama so it wasn’t casual”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 10:38 PM
7

Lol I remember so much PUA lingo from high school. Field tested, field reports, lay report, AA, LMR, k close, # close, the cube, and my favorite, sarging
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:35 PM
1

Yes, everyone does have casual sex unless they wait for months or marriage, that’s the whole point. Casual sex is a descriptor of sex outside of relationships. It’s not a pejorative. Why carve out all these special exceptions? There’s nothing to be ashamed of calling it casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:00 PM
1

Well yea, she took time to vibe the first three times she went over to his house at 1am?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:30 PM
1

From the perspective of consistently getting 8s and 9s, not being white is a flaw unless you live in Atlanta as a black guy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:29 PM
1

It’s casual sex if you weren’t in the relationship when you had sex. Imagine if you didn’t apply that? You’re seeing a guy who is banging 4 other girls and you want to date him. He sleeps with you every week while having the side girls. A month after, he drops those girls and asks you to be his girlfriend. How would you describe those first four weeks of sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:27 PM
3

I fucked this girl in the club bathroom and gained +25 MMR
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:25 PM
1

Please explain your point, I’m confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:24 PM
1

“This guy texts me at 1am to come over and blow him but he’s got chill vibes, it’s not casual” wtf?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:23 PM
1

I mean if you can get a hook up out of the casual bucket cus you “vibes,” can’t you get ONS out of the casual bucket for “vibe” as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:59 PM
1

You’d count “nothing serious” as casual or not casual? It’s casual afaik
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:52 PM
2

Casual sex includes FWB, ONS, Netflix-and-chill, and any other encounter outside of a committed relationship. If you’re single but have had sex since your last exclusive relationship, you had casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:50 PM
1

I can hide the lease papers from her long enough. Besides, 0 down for 36 months is a lot of time spent inside Stacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:45 PM
1

In my experience the guys who consistently do well with attractive women have no flaws or weaknesses in their looks. That means fit/muscular, handsome, full head of hair, tall, white (if not dating within a specific subcommunity). Bonus for rich/popular (DJs, athletes, etc) but you said not to focus on those. Attractive women can have every man so there’s very little reason to compromise on appearance. As guys we’re guilty of thinking a few strong attributes are enough to clear the bar. This is …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:44 PM
2

I could lease one if I shop at Costco and cut every other corner…worth it!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:30 PM
1

If the justification for Iraq was to defend democracy and strengthen US influence, wouldn’t continuing the fight in Ukraine further these goals? Or is the argument that because Russia has nukes, it’s too dangerous to confront them? If so, should we be antagonizing Iran, NK, China, etc etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:29 PM
1

She doesn’t care what the guy in the Ferrari looks like brah
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:26 PM
5

I don’t have to disprove any of that. You made the assertion with 0 evidence that “women try it once, hate it, and never try it again.” The burden of proof is on you. I presented the data exactly because nothing you suggested is in the data. The data doesn’t suggest that single women don’t do casual (which you’d expect if they’d all tried it once as young women and never again); nor does it suggest that rates of casual drop over time. So you make a statement based on your personal bias (you are …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:21 PM
3

Lilith is obfuscating the facts. The numbers below pertain to 20-40yo women: 20% have had casual sex in the past year 80% have had casual sex at some point in their lives 30% are single Lilith takes that first bullet point and proclaims that it means women hate casual sex. If most women are in relationships, we would hardly expect them to be dumping their bfs/husbands to go do a ONS in the past year, even if these women enjoy casual and would otherwise do it. I think she holds casual sex to an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:13 PM
3

Agreed, the most attractive woman I dated in the past year was an engineering PhD. Tall, big butt, perfect tan, coded weather models for a living
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:07 PM
7

You’re directly quoting me so let me quote myself and hopefully you’ll stop making these posts. I brought these numbers to dispute the idea that casual sex is this universally despised activity that women try once and never do again. That couldn’t possibly be true if 20% of the population is actively engaged, and 80% have been engaged lifetime. Consider as well that the 20% rotates; some women become single after a relationship and do casual, other women who were playing the field get into a rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:04 PM
2

I haven’t watched Fox News or conservative media in a while, they’re in favor of negotiating with Russia and ceding Donbas/crimea? When did conservative America become the dove party? Sure weren’t when we went into Iraq
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 06:56 PM
3

Enjoy your chubby unattractive PhD chicks, I’ll keep Stacy thankyouverymuch
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 06:54 PM
0

I absolutely focus on looks (“too much” is debateable), but I also don’t compromise on her ethics, values, or just sense of decency. I have ended it with attractive women who were selfish, did drugs, treated relationships as a transaction, or just weren’t that nice. I have paid the price for this in the form of long periods outside a relationship. It’s hard enough to date a hot girl as a non-Chad (I’d give myself a 6.5 with perfect lighting, and on top of this I’m not white), when you don’t give…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 06:50 PM
1

In the latest attempted setup, the woman was 35 and I’m 32, so it would be at the limit of your stats: 3 years older, and the woman older
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 06:45 PM
2

Not when we met during grad school, and I’ve had situationships in the ensuing 5 years but at no point would my classmates have described me as “taken” if the girls were gossiping about who’s available in the group
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 06:44 PM
2

In two of these cases I know the girls personally and they’ve been single for the past 5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 06:12 PM
1

I don’t think so, I know several 33-35yo women who met guys around our age or maybe late 30s and they’re dating. Just takes more work than it did in 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 06:05 PM
3

Yes because I’m not looking to get married and have kids right now. But I can’t help but wonder why I’m hearing about their interest now and not 5 years ago when we were all late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 06:03 PM
2

Yes, I’m 32, I date women between 27-32, but I get offered setups with women 33-36 who are running out of runway. We’re all within the same age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 05:33 PM
1

I’m entering my mid-30s and I periodically get offered to be set up with my friends’ 35yo professional female friends who want to get married/kids asap but can’t find an “eligible” man. Me and the other guys from our grad school class are dating mid-late 20s women so we pass on these offers. They say life imitates art but actually life imitates TRP and incl subreddits
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 05:26 PM
1

I can actually, I have very good credit so I get spammed with offers from credit card companies, and whenever I apply for an apartment I get approved. So if I turn down an option it’s usually my choice. Giga-chad has an 850 credit score and the rest of us are subprime
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 04:06 PM
2

Hmm I checked out some archived chadfishing posts and they were reporting 40-50% match rates on Tinder with giga-chad male model photos
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 02:35 PM
3

Well yea, if giga chad has a 10% match rate, he can swipe 100 girls in 10 minutes and have 5 dates lined up, approaching 100 women irl just takes more time. So why would giga chad bother approaching OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 01:56 PM
1

You have reading comprehension issues or are intentionally muddying the waters because you’re cornered. You’ve made infinite threads about how women loathe casual sex and try it once then drop it. I am challenging this with data that shows how prevalent casual sex is. Most women have done it, and most single women are likely to have done it recently. I think it’s a misrepresentation to suggest casual sex is rare and that women do not engage in it. That’s it, I can’t make it more clear. I’m not c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 01:54 PM
7

Yea most cold approaches end in rejection, but everyone knows this. Even giga-Chad wouldn’t get the majority of women on the street to sleep with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 09:12 PM
1

Bad comparison because pro-life is a political position, not a lifestyle choice, and also a total non-sequitor. 1 in 4 women will have an abortion In their lifetime, where as 1 in 5 women has never had casual sex in her lifetime. So there are more women who have had casual sex than there are women who have never had an abortion. Which flips your stat. Or put another way, it’s easier to find a woman who has had an abortion than to find a woman who has never had casual sex. Why are we even talking…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 09:11 PM
2

Am I the only guy who doesn’t care about n counts?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:58 PM
1

Lilith try to stay focused here. I brought these numbers to dispute the idea that casual sex is this universally despised activity that women try once and never do again. That couldn’t possibly be true if 20% of the population is actively engaged, and 80% have been engaged lifetime. Consider as well that the 20% rotates; some women become single after a relationship and do casual, other women who were playing the field get into a relation and stop doing casual. I’m not fixating on the 20%. I’m s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:55 PM
10

Hope OP replies to this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:50 PM
15

I was at the bar 10 years ago and PUA techniques were pretty niche. I don’t think cold approach died cus of too many PUAs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:49 PM
16

To offer a guy’s perspective here, approaching women in real life has fairly terrible odds and consumes a lot of time. I am old enough to have started dating before OLD, and it would take something like 100-200 approaches and dozens of phone numbers to sleep with one woman. The woman only sees the guy asking her out and her saying yes, but she doesn’t see the 100 approaches that failed beforehand. OLD for all of its faults actually saves the man time and money. Fewer hours at the bar or park or …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:41 PM
19

Horrendous advice. A woman would expand her dating pool with near-certainty if she approached. The percentage of guys who would turn down a woman they are otherwise interested in because she approached first is too small to offset the bigger pool of prospects. It’s annoying how women will come up with these bizarre theories to justify not exercising agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:36 PM
1

Surely the prevalence of an activity that everyone hates should be much lower than 20% at any given time, 80% lifetime? Can you think of any universally despised activity that 20% of people do?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 10:57 PM
1

When 20% of the female population is actively engaging in casual at any given time, it’s a stretch to say “women try it, they think it sucks, and never do it again.”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 06:33 PM
2

I believe “forever girlfriends” would be TRPs preferred solution? Or keep rotating girlfriends like Leo?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 04:01 AM
0

It’s not that hard to come across as bluepill. And by the way red pill doesn’t mean politically conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 04:00 AM
0

Cus you can get the outcome you want (sex, relationships, etc)? You have to be a serious ideologue to not be able to keep your internet redpill beliefs to yourself on a first date. Imagine being like this with political beliefs? Just met a girl and you’re already pontificating about returning the means of production to the proletariat
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:58 AM
2

Seems like society is being backwards then when it condemns age gap relationships where the guy is older?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:32 AM
2

Why would the concern decrease when the genders are reversed? Are young men less exploitable than young women? Given that men mature slower than women, wouldn’t we guess that young men are actually more vulnerable to manipulation given their age?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:06 AM
1

So the issue is the ick and not the marriage/divorce rates? I don’t see how the odds of divorce alone are a reason to denounce a relationship arrangement. Interracial relationships have higher divorce rates but one wouldn’t say they’re bad on that basis (outside of Stormfront)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:05 AM
1

You're against women dating wealthier men? Because the majority of women would prefer a partner that makes more than them. Do you denounce this general preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 11:26 PM
1

What about dating a younger woman is shameless? That other people will judge? Should people act solely based on whether they'll be judged by society?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 11:24 PM
2

The problem is that marriages between partners where a 10 year age gap exist are 50% more likely to end up in divorce than marriages where partners are 0-3 years apart. And then there is the fact that marrying under 25 (and after 35 for that matter) also increases the chance of divorce with about 2% per year before 25 and after 35. This implies that age-gap relationships are ok if there's no marriage involved? I'm pretty sure PPD is against age-gap relationships even if it's just dating/FWB/situ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 11:23 PM
1

Sure those questions are raised, but unless we believe every age-gap relationship involved taking advantage, why not assess the relationships case-by-case versus saying they are blanket bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 11:21 PM
1

So the potential for taking advantage is the problem? A millionaire dating a poor woman has the potential to use his wealth against the other party if so inclined (dangling the wealth, etc). Is that an argument against dating people wealthier than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 11:19 PM
1

Dating an older guy is as big a life decision as signing up for the military, accepting employment, and taking on debt (usually involved in car buying?) I would think not since you can walk away from relationships at any time but you can't get out of the military or out of financial obligations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 11:18 PM
1

Laying out the characteristics logically infront of them is still very different than actively experiencing. How can you prove this outside of an experimental setting? When they have tried to have people experience it via speed-dating studies, appearances still have a larger effect size. Tate has height and physique. Not to say personality. I could never see Tate being pussy-whipped, embarassed or controlled by a woman. That shit's not happening. I can definitely see that happening to Lachowski.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 10:54 PM
1

Can someone elaborate on the arguments against age gap relationships assuming both are over 18? Or is it just an ick?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 10:26 PM
2

80% of women have had casual and 20% of women have had casual in the past year. 33% of women have orgasms from casual. The casual sex market is quite large actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 10:22 PM
0

Plenty of young women wasted their youth on Leo’s and Christian’s Ronaldo’s old sperm, and some of them were supermodels. Reality is, if you’re an older dude with enough value, plenty of 18-25yo women will bang you. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 10:18 PM
3

Despite not finding him attractive personally, can you understand why women in general might find him attractive? I swear PPD women cannot put themselves in the shoes of others with different tastes, what’s with that? I don’t care at all about boobs but I can understand why some guys love big boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 10:16 PM
1

They have done studies where they ask women to rate how attracted they are to a guy, and the study designers manipulate looks (hot or not) and a variety of personality factors like how caring the guy is, how intelligent, how cocky (they vary the text description of the guy). These personality traits have impacts, but in no case did a not-hot guy have a higher overall rating than a hot guy on average. The effect side of “hot vs not” is simply too large. Put Andrew Tate and Chico Lachowski in a ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 10:10 PM
1

Yeah sounds pretty sketchy, esp the stalking and paranoia. Sounds like you dodged a bullet.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 10:05 PM
1

What sort of manipulative stuff did he do?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:33 PM
1

Fwiw I asked the guys the same question and 25 was the oldest we got there
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:33 PM
2

Q4W: how old was the oldest guy you slept with when you were under 20yo?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:23 PM
1

U mad
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:15 PM
1

Ok fine, PPD should just be incls whining. Not allowed to talk about actually having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:11 PM
1

The things we do for Stacy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:08 PM
1

So I’m not allowed to talk about my sex life cus it’s cringe and braggy? Is it also cringe when women say “my boyfriend just slapped my butt, I’m turned on” because it’s bragging about having sex? Or do you just pathologize one sexual experience and not another?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:07 PM
1

Why a mistake? 3 years apart, both college aged?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:04 PM
1

18 is legal brah
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:04 PM
1

Q4M: how old were you the last time you had sex with a woman under 20yo? I’ll go first, I was 25 and hooked up with an 18yo on a summer party trip
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:35 PM
1

Ehh I thought guys all wanted Stacy. They're also secretly smashing obese chicks left and right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:38 AM
2

True but if this guy got 10 obese women pregnant, who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:37 AM
2

Should be obvious that most men wouldn’t stick their dick in hideous obese women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:16 PM
4

Are the baby mamas average/attractive? Only the most hopeless incl thinks that absolute 0 women would ever get with him. The problem is locking down even an average woman as a normie.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:14 PM
13

Stop. Typing. Like. This. Also. Your. Claim. Is. Incorrect. As. Demonstrated. In. Analyses. On. The. Topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 09:20 PM
1

Could be that I'm only interacting with the rural folks, maybe because I keep getting into arguments about whether OLD is real life with them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:04 AM
2

25% of women have had 0-1 sexual partners by age 25, and yet it’s every other woman on here. 14% of the US population is rural whereas 40% lives in a coastal urban settlement, yet there are multiple farmers here. And almost no women who live in big cities like NYC/LA/Chicago. Hence why so many women here say “no one in my circle uses OLD” even though OLD is ubiquitous in big cities. PPD women are not representative imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 12:33 AM
1

Agreed but almost never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:58 PM
3

When the city of Rome was being founded, the first thing they did was attack another village and capture all the women so the dudes in Rome could get laid/have wives. So yeah a lot of historical competition comes down to dudes competing with each other to monopolize access to sex with hot young girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:52 PM
2

What is it about traditionalism that appeals to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:49 PM
2

Pump-and-dump = he got the sex but I didn't get dinner, social clout, access, or commitment in return Foodie-caller/friend-zoner/beta-buxxer = she got the dinner, social clout, access, and commit but didn't have sex in return
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:46 PM
5

PPD women overindex older, married, sexually inexperienced, and rural. For example the lifetime average partner count in the US is 6 but there are several users here who have had 1 partner ever and they married that dude. Also for some reason half the women live on farms. I had an argument once with a woman about hook-up culture and she had married her first bf ever that she'd met as a teenager...in rural Estonia. Yes I'm a godless degenerate city-dwelling fuccboi
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:40 PM
3

Alpha balls drained beta big brained Amazing
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:35 PM
5

Yes I'm expecting you to produce a verbatim research paper. Men like to pursue career success but 99% of men would take a million dollars if it was handed to them. So I think it's fair to ask for more than blog posts about how "the thrill of the chase makes it all worth it."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:34 PM
0

Sure but the redpillers/incls acknowledge that more than 20% of men have sex, just that those men are getting settled for/cucked/divorced. So again these numbers don't rly illuminate the 80/20 discussion either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:32 PM
5

Alpha fucks beta bucks Alpha smash beta cash Alpha lay beta pay Alpha seed beta need Alpha head beta bread Alpha pipes beta skypes Alpha winner beta dinner Alpha gets neck beta writes check Alpha erection beta pension
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:30 PM
8

Alpha head beta bread Alpha pipes beta skypes Alpha winner beta dinner Alpha gets neck beta writes check Alpha erection beta pension
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:29 PM
3

Yes it will but it's up to her to manage her suffering, not him. If she's still DTF and he's getting his, keep it going.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:18 PM
1

I'd wonder how Madonna-Whore complex rears out, given that many men have an underlying resentment or aversion to women who had causal sex, even if they're currently dating them. No guy I know actually cares about whether their gf has had casual. Sure they might care about a huge N count, but we all participated in hook-up culture in college so we just assume that a woman had had a couple of flings/hook-ups here or there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:13 PM
2

80/20 claims that 80% of the casual sex is being had by 20% of the men. So if most guys in this sample have had casual sex a single time in their life, and Chad has casual sex every day, then the sample will still say that most guys have had casual sex. In other words this data neither supports or detracts from 80/20.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:12 PM
4

Neither of these articles address your claim that men do not like women who approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:10 PM
3

Can you link to some actual stats? This is a blog post reviewing a book about men loving the chase (it's possible to love the chase and also love being approached, especially if the chase is good because of newness as the author states).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:59 PM
3

At this point we're speculating, personally I don't see why a relationship that started as a hookup would be any weaker than a relationship that started with 3 dinner dates and a "define-the-relationship" talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:56 PM
1

They are prone to getting attached after sex, which is a pretty terrible trait to have for casual sex. Sure but if at least 15% of those attachments end up in a relationship, isn't that a win? Interesting fact, the odds of getting a bf from casual is about the same as the odds of being a 6ft tall guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:52 PM
2

To be clear, a minority of women (~25%) have never engaged in casual sex. But of course many have but no longer have casual because they're married or dating etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:41 PM
3

How many times are you gonna make this post?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:34 PM
5

Casual sex stats: "...between 2007 and 2017 the percentage of 18-to 23-year-old men who had casual sex in the past month dropped from 38 percent to 24 percent. The percentage dropped from 31 percent to 22 percent for young women of the same age." "Most of our sample (aged 18-82; roughly as many men as women) said they had had casual sex (73%) ever" “Research shows in a committed relationship, 70 percent of the women report orgasm. But with casual partners, the rate is just 49 percent“ link "Thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:33 PM
2

Yes, 1 minus (1/3) = 2/3
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:04 PM
2

1/3 women reported having an orgasm during their most recent casual sex encounter. Not disagreeing with you, just providing the latest stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:59 PM
3

Got any stats on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:55 PM
4

Yeah, I think you're just not listening to women and you're only listening to a very small subset of men. Why do you think he's only listening to a subset of men? Is there any reason to believe his sample of men is less representative of the whole than your sample? The majority of guys responding in this thread say they would like a woman that approached. Any reason to believe the guys here are not representative? Or are we just all feminine men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:54 PM
11

Women take it at face value when guys say "I don't like forward women." If the real reason was "you're ugly and I can do better," would he ever give you that feedback? Who should you listen to more, guys who are telling you their preferences, or women who have anecdotes about the 2-3 times they tried this and it failed?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:52 PM
3

I have had several gay guys touch me, including copping a feel in my inner thigh or crotch area, after I tell them I'm straight. They think they can seduce me I guess. I am pretty comfortable having my personal space invaded so I just shoo the guy off, but I gotta imagine that some dudes would throw a punch if they got crotch-grabbed at a bar by a gay guy who wouldn't take "no" for an answer
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:47 PM
14

I can only speak for myself and my friends, but holding constant the woman's attractiveness, we are indifferent whether she approaches or we do. If anything it's better if she approaches because it gives the guy a green light to push the relationship forward ("she's clearly into me, no need to beat around the bush"). Ive seen it from both my girlfriends and guy friends, when a woman approaches first, the guy really never takes her as seriously as the girl he had to win over. Are the women who ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:44 PM
1

Yeah, but who would want a Chad Chaser when you think about it? Seems like a negative to me. I'd rather have a woman with a level head on her shoulders who knows that hot guys are just for sex, which is what most of the women I've dated admit they come to the realization of. 1) It's very hard to know who is a Chad-chaser and who isn't. You can be on a date with a nice girl who talks about her "ex" and the "ex" is actually a situationship with a Chad. Just like N-count, Chad-chasing isn't an easy…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:41 PM
2

Lilith have you ever been cold-approached by an incel Irl? How did it go
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:23 AM
3

I don’t understand what you mean here. A pedophile who abuses children isn’t “exercising his/her autonomy.” A child cannot consent. When discussing sexual freedom, no one sane is talking about the freedom to commit sexual assault. Moreover, I don’t see how this is comparable to women having option to not partner up with men they find undesirable. One is actively causing harm to another person and violating their personhood, and one is simply refraining from entering into a relationship you don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:34 AM
1

But the decision to share your body and soul with another person is so intensely and intrinsically tied to one’s sense of self that I don’t see any ethical way to ensure people pair off. We already live in a society where people aren't able to share their body and soul freely with another person. For example, if I want to share my body and soul with a person under the age of 18, I go to jail. The US had anti-miscegenation laws that were vigorously enforced a couple generations ago. Ethically spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:52 AM
3

Is it really that simple? The exercise of individual liberty can end in catastrophe. “Yea, a lot of nautical sea creatures will go extinct on a never before seen scale if we keep polluting. But hey, we all wanna fly around in jets and eat cow meat. People are free now, and this is what that liberty entails.” Is it obvious that removing people’s individual liberty to pollute is a greater evil than all sea creatures dying? I’m not taking a side, I just think your comment shuts down discussion. Not…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 12:12 AM
1

This OP won’t last long.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:56 PM
2

Ay papi
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:16 PM
1

My older brother used to lurk sosuave forums and I found it on our family computer’s history.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:48 PM
1

Why are we speculating? There is data that black women receive fewer messages than Asian women. In fact white men and black women perform about the same, on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:47 PM
1

Simp!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:42 PM
2

Ehh I made an “unpopular” post about libido boosters for women and I got skewered. It got like 500 comments though. Just go for it, if your take is spicy enough it’ll trigger the women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:40 PM
3

Damn, my college gf told me she hadn’t told her parents I existed cus she’d be disowned if she was dating a black guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:37 PM
1

10 months, half exclusive in the same town, have exclusive doing long distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:36 PM
6

Ok I see the point you are making but I have to disagree. First, is it true that Chad plays a different game altogether? Chad has no interaction with women who aren’t Chadsexual? I doubt it and you even mention his periodic tee-ball games. So if Chad doesn’t live in a bubble, then we have to pay attention to him. Second, is it truly the case that there’s no value in trying to be Chad? Like, there’s a dividing line, like an dome above the earth, where beyond it is Valhalla, Thor, and Chad, and be…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:28 PM
6

The problem is that people don’t think probabilistically and systematically. Outsized performance comes from having a small edge in performance and doing it over and over. You can be a billionaire if you consistently beat the stock market by 1% a year over 20 years (just sell that service). Prussia beat its neighbors and formed Germany because its infantrymen fired 4 shots a minute when everyone else fired 3 shots. I’ve been a rare Chad and have totally captivated a rly attractive woman. It happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 09:56 PM
10

PPD misconstrues Chad and why he matters. No one has ever claimed that Chad bangs 100% of women. Even in the old school days of pick-up artists, the gurus acknowledged that if you can close 10% of women you meet, you are a god amongst men. However, combining a 10% hit rate with even rudimentary social skills means that Chad can interact with enough women to sleep with 100 of them in a year. Worse yet, those 100 women still think about Chad when they’re bored, or lonely, or rebounding from a brea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 09:17 PM
1

I found a good photographer off of thumbtack. I’d previously done a shoot on Craigslist. Doesn’t need to be fancy but having a dslr helps. You want the pics to look natural. Corporate headshot is too much, and even the tech/venture capital headshot (looking right at the camera smiling) can be too much. Imagine the type of pic a friend might take at a party, but with a high quality camera. Bring several outfit changes. If you have any talents/hobbies, you can do those and get photographed. I brou…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 05:39 PM
3

I don't think you need solid guy friends. Me and my guy friends have all dated women on OLD who wanted to go exclusive without ever having met the friend circle. Once you're "selected" off of OLD, your lifestyle is a pure bonus. There are dudes with no jobs living at home smashing off of OLD. My old neighbor used to have girls show up at the parking lot of his work and he'd go for a car hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:35 AM
2

I chatted her up, along with her dad and mom. They were a package deal LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:31 AM
6

No reason to not do both if he has the time/$/energy, but I believe that OLD, for all of its flaws, is the most efficient dating avenue today. Too many young women source their rebounds/boytoys/fuccbois/situationships from OLD or social media. The stars need to align for you to meet a woman in real life who is totally single, and if she is single but uses OLD, you need to lock her down before she meets a Chad on Bumble and you get curved. Social circles in real life just aren't reliable. I took …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 11:20 PM
4

I’m probably right at that 20% breakpoint and the hottest women I’ve dated in my life have been in LA, but man it’s a grind. All these girls have an ex that’s an actor/model/rich dude
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 10:45 PM
5

The word you’re looking for is “promoter” or “fixer.” It’s the guy in Miami who brings hot girls and usually also brings drugs. Sometimes he officially works for a club, sometimes not. I live in LA and the only places with more girls than guys are rich dudes’ mansion parties. Similar dynamic to what you said. Eres porteño compadre?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 10:31 PM
5

I live in LA, lots of single women who have insane standards and won’t date a guy who isn’t instagram tier. I’m regularly shocked by what LA women consider an “average” guy, dude was probably homecoming king in his home town.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 10:26 PM
0

I think dollar for dollar, hour for hour, getting in crazy shape and getting pro pics for OLD will get him closer to a GF than building an arts friend circle. Edit: too much downvoting without actually disagreeing or debating
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 10:22 PM
5

Covid accelerated the trend of preselected outings where a woman goes out with a large group and has no intention of meeting strangers. It’s possible to meet her, but you have to be exceptional; in which case you could have just matched her online. Reality is that women don’t like rejecting guys, and preselecting using the internet can drastically limit the number of rejections you need to mete out. So women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 10:18 PM
6

The average guy and the hot guy, statistically speaking, are likely to have similar interest and similar income (attractive people only make 15% more or something). So the only thing the hot guy has to offer is that he’s hot. It’s not nothing but not that admirable either
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 10:14 PM
2

Please link me to studies that say sexlessness does not cause depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 08:36 PM
1

Tall guys prefer short girls everywhere. Only thing that matters is how many guys in your area don’t care or prefer taller. Guys who prefer short girls might as well not exist to you. You’re basically dating in an artificially small pool. Any variation from the beauty standard has this impact (minorities are also dating in an artificially small pool).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 07:49 PM
3

It’s a matter of degrees. 0 social interaction (solitary) would drive you crazy. 0 sex for decades will probably fuck you up. Some small amount of social interaction, you can do fine (1-2 close friends), small amount of sex you can do fine (get lucky once a year)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 07:47 PM
3

Funny how someone posts a study and no one engaged with it, instead they keep shooting from the hip in other comments
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 02:21 PM
1

I’m 6’2” and I explicitly look for taller women. My ideal is probably 5’9” but I’ve dated women who are 5’11” and it’s not an issue at all, I love it. Nothing better than hugging someone without bending over. I haven’t dated a woman below 5’8 in years. That said, I often reject tall girls but not for their height. Maybe they’re not attractive, or are flaky, or boring, etc. I’d urge you to think critically about whether you’ve lost prospects for some other reason but your mind went back to height…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 02:19 PM
23

Sex is a need in the same way social interaction is a need. Put a guy in solitary confinement and he’ll eventually go insane. Make someone involuntary celibate for long enough and he’ll go insane too. But I don’t get the point of this post. Let’s say you are 100% correct and sex is a want, like getting an iPhone. We still live in a society where some people get iPhones at will and can call their friends, play games, etc., and others get no iPhone or if they do, it took a year’s salary. What is i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 02:08 PM
1

Ya that makes sense, the key is to keep going at the same time. I started doing morning workouts and you see the same folks over and over, makes it easier to engage. What’s your take on dudes showing off their bodies on OLD? I have some beach pics but they are very understated (above the nipples so you can tell I’m in shape from my traps and shoulders but nothing else). Show more skin? Again the goal is to pull in gym girls, the thicker the thighs the better
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 06:57 PM
1

I'm not gonna date a girl who lives in NJ anyway, why start spitting?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 04:11 PM
1

Hmm that’s good to know, I assumed if a fit girl dates roiders then a natty would be too small so to speak. You say you want guys to hit on you at the gym. What’s the etiquette for hitting on woman at the gym? Around me the girls all wear headphones and try to avoid eye contact. Am I supposed to just shoot my shot anyway or wait for eye contact or a sign of interest. Unfortunately you live on the other side of the country, also I’m a very brown minority which is a dealbreaker for some so full di…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 04:03 PM
1

Could a natty dude ever be jacked enough for you to date? I’m 6’2” 215 and look decently filled out at 18% bf but if I cut down to 10%, I look DYEL. And that’s with a 500# DL, 455 squat, 225 bench. Just feels like I can’t compete for fit girls without taking gear
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 03:46 PM
1

I pay help to cook and clean for me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 03:43 PM
2

Hope you’re having a nice day
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 03:43 PM
0

Yes you can and I’ll allow it instead of handwringing about “zomg did u just compare men to pet????”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 03:42 PM
6

Main issue is that it’s hard to have regular sex without being in a relationship unless you are Chad. So the universe of guys who are horny but fine being single end up chasing a relationship. Their female equivalent just plays the hookup culture field. Why the imbalance? I think it’s because Chad supplies too much easy sex. I know dudes with 100+ body counts. I myself am a normie but have double-digits. If you’re a woman who is fine being single but wants to get her rocks off, there are just to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:55 PM
-1

“Yikes…!” “Women aren’t animals” (humans are animals)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:35 PM
3

The cleanest definition of blackpill is believing that looks are practically all that matters in dating (no one thinks 100% is looks, even the most hardcore admit that being autistic for example makes it harder). Call it 90% looks. However there’s two things you can do with that information. Either spend all your time on glowups, skincare, fitness, and at the limit surgeries; or believe you can’t change your looks because it’s all genetics anyway, so it’s over, Chad won. Notice that you don’t ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:29 PM
1

One of my parents emotionally manipulated me and blackmailed me into giving them money (I didn't do it). Now they're sick and coming back to beg. Pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 07:28 PM
6

Comparing it to blackpill is weird to me, aren't they all "I'm ugly because of my skull, better kill myself", nor sure where the improvement comes from there. There's a big difference between looksmaxx and incels. Looksmaxx forums are mostly "is this surgery worth it," "I tried this edgy chewing technique and it didn't work," etc. The interventions are extreme but it's very action-oriented. Incel forums are just "I'm 5'6, time to LDAR" Both communities are within the blackpill umbrella but they …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 07:25 PM
1

Agree with that but coastal areas are 40% of the population
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 05:34 PM
2

Yes but not white
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:22 AM
1

about a 7, maybe 8. Middle eastern, thin.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:09 AM
1

This is big coastal US city
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:06 AM
2

I've gotten 12 inbound likes in 45 minutes. 25% of them have a message attached, usually along the lines of "I like your smile" etc. I made her as basic as possible in the prompts ("Best way to ask me out is by asking me out") so they don't have a lot to go on. I'm not going to chat with these guys, takes up too much time. I've done my due diligence. Conclusion is that the profile quality among guys is extremely high and I've got some work to do (my friends all say my profile is good but it's cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:06 AM
4

Made a fake female profile on OLD for market research purposes. It might be that the noob boost is presenting me with all the best profiles, but wow the quality of the guys and their profiles is unreal. Everyone has perfect hair, tux photo, dog photo, hiking/skiing/etc photo, all fit, and every pic is high quality. If you are a Chad but have a blurry photo, your profile actually looks like crap in comparison. I'm a guy and have swiped on tens of thousands of women (I have my Hinge data), and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:26 AM
6

“Research shows in a committed relationship, 70 percent of the women report orgasm. But with casual partners, the rate is just 49 percent“ You should expect birth rates to drop to 50-70% of current levels, probably less because women who currently don’t orgasm but want kids would be motivated to orgasm (find partners who can help them, get toys, etc). World population would be slightly lower but otherwise no change. Orgasm gap is so overblown, 95% of men and 70% of women in relationships have or…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:20 PM
4

No one subscribes to this notion, even the best-looking guys have match rates below 50% on OLD. It just doesn’t matter because they can work volume. If you have 20% match rate and talk to 20 women you are nearly guaranteed to get one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:33 PM
1

If fear is not rational and is instead amplified by news headlines about the danger of black youth, well in excess of the actual danger posed, then yes it’s a social construct. There’s nothing innate about humankind that makes black men scary. Somehow you admit that media colors the perception of black men, but somehow that’s ok because “black men commit more crimes.” How is this justified?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 06:35 AM
1

Just go to a bar and get guys to pay for your drinks. Then go on OLD and get guys to pay for food/drinks. Repeat ad nauseum.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:53 PM
1

Emotions have degrees. You can be slightly angry or completely livid seeing white. So sure, everyone feels anger, but some more than others. Back to the original discussion, if your partner is one of the "slightly angry" types and you happen to be livid that day, how would you like him to react?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:16 PM
1

These aren't unusual situations. I've heard significantly more "no" but she's kissing and touching, than "no" and she crosses her arms, gets up, or moves away. And I've been in these situations dozens of times.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:15 PM
2

Really everyone has strong emotions. If you don’t feel anything that’s a mental issue. You may think you’re directing your emotions somewhere else (video game, hobbies, etc) but it’s still super obvious. Everyone has emotions but it's completely untrue that everyone has strong emotions, or the same magnitude of emotions. Go to a funeral, notice that some people are breaking down in tears, others aren't. It's not like every person not crying has a mental issue or is bottling it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:13 PM
1

I’d change genders into a woman for a year, go out on a bunch of dates, and measure my food and beverage expenditure at the end of the year. Figure out how much I can get away with extracting money from dudes. I might even fuck a few of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 02:59 PM
2

Ehh it’s no big deal to lose your stuff in divorce cus “you’re rich anyway”? Edit: top 1% of income is like 200k a year, not billionaires by any means
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 02:55 PM
1

How do you know the relationship was shitty? Apparently she liked it enough to stick around and only left when the sex stopped. So doesn’t that mean it got shitty once the sex stopped?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 02:40 PM
2

Had her answer been “Oh I had vanilla sex once” or “I’m a virgin,” I don’t think I would have dated her. So I prefer they be open, and I prefer it be raunchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 02:22 PM
2

Ehh it’s the internet so I could be a 12 year old Thai boy posting for fun, but my first gf, when we were fooling around but hadn’t had sex yet, I asked her that question. She said she once blew a guy in a club and he came up her nose. I laughed and then she blew me. We dated for years after, sadly broke up due to distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 02:19 PM
3

This is a catastrophically bad OP. Anyway here’s a clear example of sex revealing incompatibility. I’d been on 4 dates with a girl, she said some strange things like “BJs are patriarchal, guys making women pleasure them.” I thought ok, maybe she’s sensitive about selfish guys. Well we have sex and during pillow talk, she says I should be lucky to have had sex with her and that she likes XYZ, and she’ll only do what her partner likes if he’s super special and her boyfriend, and even then only whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 02:10 PM
2

If I go on a date with a woman who’s playing the field, she tends to be chill. If I go on a date with a woman who just got out of a 4 or a 7 year relationship, she tends to complain about her ex. Edit: I think having met and dated multiple men helps women treat each dude as his own individual because they’ve probably had good experiences with different “types” of dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:59 PM
4

What are “white women’s spaces?” The anecdotes in my posts are at the airport, in shopping malls near where I live, etc. I live in a central part of a big US city (Manhattan, Central LA, that equivalent) because my job is there. Should I quit my job and move away because there’s too many white people there? Get real. Edit: downvotes should comment if they disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:58 PM
8

Hot take: if a woman’s N count is too low I won’t date her. Women who have been with too few men tend to carry tons of ex-bf drama. Comparing to her ex all the time, etc. Also it makes it harder to relate (she probably hasn’t done cool parties, trips, festivals, etc). How much is too much? Depends on age I guess? 4 dudes per year for every year over 18 feels about right. First thing I ask once I’m moving towards an LTR with a girl is, “tell me your wildest sex story.” If it’s raunchy and slutty …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:45 PM
1

Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:42 PM
2

Do you happen to know the divorce rate for top 1% of incomes? Presumably “building empire then losing to divorce” is about guys who spend their lives getting rich first
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:40 PM
2

Your example totally contradicts your point. She only had complaints once the sex stopped. Presumably the rest of the relationship was mediocre. Ergo sex was the perfect measurement of how the relationship was going.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:36 PM
1

Laura Bush is a total Stacy. George has a smokeshow niece (?) Lauren Bush who is an actual giga-Stacy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:35 PM
0

You live in a theoretical world where women don’t say “no” while still grabbing my dick, or where they say no to their shirt coming off but keep making out, and I just try to remove the shirt later. There’s a difference between “no” where she disengages and crossed her arms. Then I’m calling a cab. “No” while you move my hand from your panties but keep rubbing my boner? I’m trying again
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:57 PM
7

The violent crime stat argument is weak because this phenomenon occurs in affluent and safe areas. If white people were just logically responding to crime stats, why would they be scared of a black person in a safe neighborhood? We know that the crime rates in safe wealthy neighborhoods is tiny, so what are the odds that the black guy in that neighborhood is the criminal element? And yet nationwide crime statistics should inform how you behave in your neighborhood?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:46 PM
3

So the odds of being assaulted in broad daylight in Beverly Hills go from .001% to what, .002%? But .002% is intolerable so she only jumps in fear for black guys? You can’t justify this behavior with crime statistics, if people calculated risk in their heads all day they would weigh location and income significantly more than race, but they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:41 PM
12

Of course it’s a social construct. Why isn’t the lady assessing the value of my clothing, or my mannerisms, or the part of town we’re in, or any number of factors that should suggest her risk of danger is near nil? How come suddenly race is the #1 factor in assessing danger?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:16 AM
66

I’m a guy and will openly admit that I don’t have a ton of empathy for female fear. I’m a minority and the number of times white women have called me “scary” but don’t find white guys as scary tells me that the fear is partly social construct and thus amplified by modern stranger-danger and feminism. I had an argument with a friend where he said I should be adjusting my behavior to make women feel safer, and I had to explain that this would mean not leaving the house in many cases. There are wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:46 AM
7

Just curious, if he’s not familiar with and doesn’t have strong emotions, what would you like for him to do when you’re experiencing strong emotions? Like, what would be your ideal response?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:43 AM
1

Are you an 8 on the normie scale or on truerateme scales? If there’s 100 guys in the room, are you one of the top 3-5 guys consistently? Usually the best looking guy at a bar, girls coming up to you etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:41 AM
1

Yea it gets personal at 8-9. I like olive-skinned Mediterranean features so I’d never rate a blonde woman a 9 for example. However only 1 in 400 women are above an 8 using this scale so it’s not a big deal. The truerateme scale is unintuitive because the typical way we rate people is on standardized tests and those are linear. When people take the SAT, they talk about their raw score (“mom I got a 1600”) and not about the percentile rank. However there are 15x more 7s in a population than there …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 08:10 PM
4

OP you answered your own question. I stopped lifting weights 3 years ago after I injured myself. Since I was 19 I've gotten better looking facially as I've gotten older. Most guys are fat. Going to the gym typically means fat loss for the average guy, which gets them leaner and makes them better looking facially. From your time playing sports you know plenty of ripped dudes who are ugly or have moonface. They’re the exception where no amount of fitness will make them look better. However most gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 07:53 PM
1

I’m losing brain cells explaining to you why I don’t feel a sense of romantic love cuddling with my cousin (weird) versus cuddling with my girlfriend who I have just had sex with. You’re being obtuse and just have to be trolling, so I’m gonna stop responding
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 07:47 PM
1

Yea the truerateme scale is controversial especially because international sex symbols and celebrities will get a 6, but I think the principle of the scale is correct: 5 should be average, 6 should be 1 standard deviation above a 5, 7 should be 1 standard deviation above a 6, etc. in other words, there are significantly more 6s than 7s, and the odds of you seeing a 9 in real life is very low because they are so rare. I live in LA and I’ve only run across a legit active supermodel 9 twice in seve…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:57 PM
2

Didn’t realize you were a woman. Ya if you’re a 6 but can doll up, that puts you in Stacy-lite tier. A 7 is a Stacy but 8/9 would be giga Stacy. When you think of a stereotypical “hot chick,” she doesn’t need to be an insta model with 100k followers or a famous actress (8 and 9 is reserved for this tier of woman).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:35 PM
4

Of the women whose sexual past I know about (either ex-gfs, hookups, or my friend’s gfs), the majority have done freaky shit. My ex-gf blew a guy in a club once (before we met). Unsurprisingly she gave amazing BJs. Going to college before smartphones meant a lot of drinking and a lot of hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:33 PM
1

I did mean exercise, but when I have sex my heart rate goes way up. So i was surprised that you would have morning sex with your low blood pressure but you wouldn’t exercise in the morning with your low blood pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:30 PM
2

If all women fuck assholes/chads, then it’s meaningless to make a gotcha that says “guys only want women who want chad.” Cus that’s the same as saying “guys want most women.” I already said sex is necessary but not sufficient. Cuddling with a woman I just slept with is obviously different from cuddling with my cousin. Because I’m not naked around my cousin and I haven’t just fucked them. However I would prefer cuddling naked with my girlfriend than having sex with a prostitute and then leaving, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:29 PM
1

I’m using the truerateme scale, the 7s on there are definitely Stacy. The girls I dated were in the 6.5-7 range.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:55 PM
3

It’s hard out there… Honestly if you can derive pleasure from dating Becky, just do that. Way less work and she’ll dote on you. I’ve dated lots of Becky’s and I honestly can’t live with myself. I’m usually just not attracted to them and I’m going through the motions. For me there’s something about looking at your partner asleep with no makeup and thinking “holy fk she is beautiful.” It’s like looking at art every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:51 PM
1

1) your initial comment was meaningless because, as you point out, most people are attracted to the super-hot. So when you say “all guys chase women who chase Chad,” that’s necessarily true cus every woman thinks Chad is hot, and every man thinks Kate Upton is hot. I find romance without sex to be tiresome. Romance without sex = buying flowers, taking you on dates, listening to your problems. Romance with sex = post-coital cuddling, spontaneous kissing, being in each other’s space. I think even …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:39 PM
6

Stacy-chasing update: In case you don’t know me, I am a self-identified Stacy chaser. A few years ago I realized I feel worse if I sleep with fat or unattractive women. So for the sake of my mental health I am constantly pushing myself up the SMV ladder to get more access to Stacy. I’d say I’m a 6/10 purely in looks. Good year overall. Dated two Stacies which is an all time high. It’s very competitive. One Stacy was rebounding from her boyfriend (tall Scandinavian DJ who goes to burning man), I …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:31 PM
2

Imagine reversing the genders, “all women are interested in men who like supermodels.” Would be meaningless since every guy wants a supermodel. Romantic love involves sex. You can have sex without love (random hookups, sex workers) but you can’t have romantic love without sex (or you’re a chump in the friend zone). Ergo you can want something more than your dick wet. More precisely, sex is necessary but not sufficient for romantic love.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:17 PM
3

You’re reposting your own posts from two years ago? 1) most women want Chad. Every attractive woman I’ve had a relationship with has been with a Chad. 2) relationship without sex is not a romantic relationship. I have no use for female companionship without sex from a rando, because I have plenty of platonic female friendships (female family members, female childhood friends, etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:10 PM
2

🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:03 PM
4

There is a tiktok trend about “what’s your body count” which is how Gen Z talks about N-count. And Gen Z spends a lot of time online so I imagine they do care about this. I’m a millennial and we were so promiscuous in college that I’d be disturbed if a woman hasn’t fucked a dude in a closet
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:20 PM
1

Do you not work up a sweat during sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:14 PM
1

Plenty of shaming tactics in both directions. Men who don’t provide, or who play video games, etc, are “trash.” If anyone triggers a dealbreaker, they’re “low value.” And of course the generalizations. I’m a man and personally I prefer women with higher N counts. Like ok I wouldn’t date a sex worker but I definitely wouldn’t date a virgin, and at my age (32), if a woman has slept with less than 10 guys it’s actually kinda weird. I think a higher body count means you’re less fixated on a single e…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:10 PM
1

I’ve cornered a few PPD women into admitting they wouldn’t date a black guy and they go ballistic when I suggest this is racist. There’s definitely racial undertones though, threads such as “Q4W, what do you like in a guy” are full of comments like “I love green eyes.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:59 PM
3

I’m out of the loop, can someone explain who average Adam is? Is this just Billy Beta/Brad, aka a dude who’s not Chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:57 PM
1

Best way for me to wake up is exercise personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:56 PM
2

I can co-sign that whenever I’ve hooked up with a significantly more attractive woman than me, I would struggle to keep them for more than 1-2 more encounters. One of them was rebounding from an ex and I was somewhat explicitly her slumpbuster. She’s just got other guys on tap that are at my level or better
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:36 PM
5

I’ve had a lot of casual sex, my body count is in the 80ish range. About 15% of casual sex experiences are amazing and memorable. Maybe 75% are forgettable, and 10% are just bad and I wish it hadn’t happened. I’ve been in LTRs and my best casual sex experience was better than LTR sex. Kinkier, hotter, more adventurous, etc. But it’s rare. I’d say LTR sex is better on average, casual has higher highs and higher lows. If you like gambling ONS is for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:25 PM
1

I think looks are 90% of variance in dating, and I spend most of my energy on my appearance instead of on “game.” That’s blackpill in a nutshell. Call me insecure if you want
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:16 PM
1

I’ve literally had plastic surgery to improve my looks, pretty sure I’m blackpilled
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:55 AM
1

I post data and studies but to be fair I’m more blackpill and I think the redpillers are clowns
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:48 PM
–

No offense but I don’t think you’d add much value messaging, there are professional matchmaking services that can’t get response rates higher than the average even with their database of responses. I did a quick test, this would be about 2 hours of work a week so not a ton of work. However I could see a side hustle where you buy several burner phones and swipe for 10 different guys
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:36 PM
–

What I would do is pay-per-swipe such that it equals $30 an hour assuming a brisk pace. There are about 2k profiles in my area. If I pay you 2.5 cents per swipe, that works out to $30 an hour if you move at 3 secs per swipe (basically just looking at profile pic). I can check your swipe volume by downloading hinge data, it keeps a record of all interactions. You don’t need to be fancy, the app presents the women in order of attractiveness so you can just say no to every woman below a 5, and then…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:53 AM
–

Is this for real?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:19 AM
–

I am thinking about outsourcing my OLD swiping. I’d pay the swiper $30/hr to right-swipe women I’d be interested in in my area. I would do all the actual messaging. I’d need to coach this person on what my tastes are and how to swipe so they don’t get me shadowbanned. Anyone ever looked into this? I hear that a lot of celebs have their assistants swipe for them since their time is precious.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:06 AM
0

1) Women that don’t give BJs, 2) women who don’t contribute to the courtship/relationship, I.e. I have to plan every date, every hangout, initiate all plans, initiate sex, and I have to pay for everything. She should either initiate/plan sometimes, or pay sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:42 PM
–

I gave my advice, be resilient and get ready for rejections.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:39 PM
2

Don’t use the c*pe word or you might be modded. This is going nowhere because you are treating sex as some sacred act, so no comparison will work for you. In the end you keep coming back to “you can’t force people to have sex” which is totally irrelevant to this OP. You are again going off topic when you assert that “sex will never be a biological need” even though the OP concedes that sex is not a biological need but instead a “strong and primal psychological need.” So your whole post is a stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:38 PM
–

If women aren’t approaching you or giving obvious approach invitations (staring at you multiple times from across the room), you’re not a Chad. My Chad friends have had attractive women wave them over from across the room, stare at them, banter with them even though the woman is working (bartenders, strippers, even a dental hygienist, etc). Dating these women was then straightforward. If you need to cold-approach in 2022 (walk up to a woman who did not invite you over to talk to her), you’re a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:56 PM
2

My post isn’t about guaranteeing access to food or access to sex. I’m trying to explain to you that you weren’t presenting coherent arguments for why sex isn’t a need. You invoked sexual selection to say not everyone is supposed to have sex (which btw isn’t what sexual selection means), ergo sex isn’t a need. I then pointed out that scarcity of access doesn’t correlate to “need” at all, food being an obvious example. Now your argument is that guaranteeing access to sex for everyone isn’t feasibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:54 PM
2

Did you misread my post? My point is that not everyone gets food, yet we consider food security important. Ergo your argument that “sex isn’t a need because not everyone gets sex” is a bad argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:21 PM
2

OPs claim is that the majority of people saying sex isn’t a need would have a mental breakdown after months/years of no sex. I think it’s a need and I’ve had dry spells with no mental breakdown. You don’t think it’s a need and you’ve had dry spells with no mental breakdown. Not enough to accept or refute OP’s claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:18 PM
2

We agree, but this OP isn’t about whether there are healthy coping mechanisms for shitty life situations like sexlessness or soul-crushing jobs. This OP is about people who take the much stronger stance that sexlessness isn’t particularly shitty. No shortage of “guys whining cus they can’t get their peeper wet” or “you won’t die from no sex, stop complaining.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:13 PM
2

As a psychologist I’m sure you have clients in distress due to all sorts of reasons that aren’t “needs” like food, water, shelter, sleep, etc. Not being fulfilled at work, feeling isolated, fucked up families, etc. Not everyone will have a fulfilling social or professional life but it’s hardly helpful to say “well a fulfilling career isn’t a need, why are you in my office?” And yet we use that kind of language with sexlessness and I can’t understand the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 06:00 PM
2

OP says months or years of loneliness and sexlessness. Not having sex with your wife for a couple months because she’s recovering from pregnancy is quite different from having no sex and no romantic interaction for 2 years. You can’t take the most benign scenario in OP’s description and argue against it while ignoring all the other scenarios. I’m not an incel or virgin, I’ve had girlfriends, and even I’ve gone through 12 month dry spells, and it was painful but I knew it was temporary since I’ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:51 PM
2

Well he says months or years of loneliness and sexlessness. You describe six months of no sex but with your partner there to support you through a medically challenging period. Hardly what he had in mind. 12 months of no intimacy and no romantic interactions is not fun, speaking from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:44 PM
2

There’s no species on earth where everyone gets food. In fact it’s a relatively new idea that everyone should be fed. Technically the gene pool benefits of the humans too weak to feed themselves die off. Just saying, your sexual selection argument applies to everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:40 PM
1

Seems like a strawman, has anyone here suggested that women unable to have sex for medical reasons should actually have sex with their husbands?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:38 PM
3

No disagreement with your post but the relevant timescale here is years, not several months. I am not an incel/virgin by any means but I’ve had 6-9 month spells of no sexual contact with a woman. An actual incel might have years, maybe decades with no sexual contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:32 PM
5

OP made it clear that he’s not equating lack of sex with infants dying. He’s instead making the point that there are human desires that are not biologically essential but create such psychological suffering that we can’t handwave them away. His point about POWs for example: you can feed, clothe, and provide clean air to a person, but if they are in solitary confinement (“you’re not entitled to human interaction”) they might very well kill themselves. Therefore you can’t base a “sex is not a need…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:29 PM
1

I’ve studied and A/B tested the Hinge app a lot. If you want to get maximum results, try this: Set a narrow radius like 2-3 miles, and then set very tight filters like height and age. 26-27 age, 5’11” to 6’0 height. The algorithm must present all profiles in your area that conform to this, including standouts and the good profiles you might not otherwise see. You then get a chance to message them an opener or swipe right on them. This is rly helpful for guys since many women only go through thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:51 PM
1

Yea that makes sense. I periodically swipe on Hinge and exclude all women but Black women just so I get a good sense of who’s out there. Otherwise black women I would be interested in are buried (they don’t show up under most compatible, or in standouts, etc), or I get presented the unattractive black women when Hinge presents lower-rated profiles (when you have restrictive filters, the app presents profiles from least to most desirable)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:43 PM
1

Yeah it’s messed up, Hinge had standouts which are the most popular profiles and I’ve never seen a black woman in there. The race angle is a big deal
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:49 PM
1

I’ve heard all sorts of advice. Fundamentally, people can’t understand why I don’t date hot girls all the time since I’m tall, well educated, good job, etc. Anyone familiar with redpill/blackpill knows that tall actually helps but the rest is marginal. Reality is that I’m balding, ethnic and nowhere near white-passing, and have an average face. So, my bluepiller friends who think it’s all about personality and confidence will seek out any possible explanation. Too smart, not flirty enough, too f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 02:58 PM
1

“Looks don’t matter, I know 5’6” balding janitors with 1 girlfriends,” “of course looks matter, isn’t it obvious, just look around, why should women date men they aren’t attracted to, yikes”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:50 AM
1

I’ve gotten that advice as a guy, “you’re too smart and accomplished, it intimidates women, try to dumb it down.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:48 AM
–

It started ten years ago in my early 20s. I listened to bluepillers who said it’s fine to be bald if you just own it, or that I have a nicely shaped head for baldness. The drugs can be bad for your hormones but I checked with a doctor and he says my baseline hormones look safe so I can start taking the drugs. The regrown hair can fall out if I stop applying the hair regrowth stuff. However the more hair I regrow, the less I need to harvest for transplanting, so it gives me some buffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:45 AM
–

Or at least better luck that I was born with
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:49 AM
1

So you think that if a guy goes on 10 dates that are all good, but they don't have sex, that was a win? He spent his time well?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:49 AM
1

I'm definitely not Chad, I'm high-tier normie at best. Am trying to get to Chad tier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:48 AM
–

I am bald, I only get laid cus I'm tall, jacked, and make a lot of $$
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:47 AM
–

My balding is so bad, I don't have enough donor hair to transplant
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:47 AM
–

Am about to start an aggressive hair restoration protocol to reclaim my hair. Currently norwood 6 in my early 30s (started losing in my early 20s). This will be the hardest looksmaxx battle I've fought yet. The plastic surgery was relatively easy compared to this, just needed to find a good surgeon and cough up the cash. This will take a year of microneedling, daily pills, topical creams and shampoo, and most likely a transplant at the end of all of it. I'm only bothering because I'm obsessed wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:06 AM
2

Generally speaking PPD and broader US society under discusses race in dating because it makes people uncomfortable, but something like 40% of single Americans are minorities so race is a huge factor in app design. Bumble had a race filter and has to pull it under fire, other apps kept theirs, it’s one of the most used filters. Your app might get instantly canceled if it creates a “racist” outcome where all the Indians are lumped together for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:59 PM
–

This
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:49 PM
1

Yea but boomers also don’t understand how much goes down in the DM and on apps. Once you’ve seen Chad triple-stacking bumble dates and ghosting girl number 2 and 3 because he’s fucking girl #1, you’re disabused of this notion that casual sex is rare
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:48 PM
1

It’s lost time if the counterfactual is to have had sex instead. Take your own logic and extend it to its conclusion. A guy goes on 10 dates with a woman and he enjoys all of them, and is confident that on date 11 they will have sex. Has he lost time and money or hasn’t he?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:46 PM
1

Of course looks are subjective, but if you put a 4, a 7, and a 9 next to each other, and asked random people to rank order them in ascending attractiveness, the vast majority of the population would have the same rank order. 9s are professional models and 4s are below average, it’s not rly that subjective. I understand that you’ll never go on a blind date ever. Let’s just think hypothetically. If you were to go on a blind date, which guy would you prefer take you? Average joe or hot guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:58 PM
1

I don’t know how many times I can repeat this but 1) there’s no guarantee the coffee date goes anywhere, and you can get flaked/ghosted between the coffee date and the drinks date, and 2) why would I go on the coffee date when plenty of women are open to going straight to drinks? You haven’t addressed either of these and instead called me lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:55 PM
1

It’s fine if it’s a red flag to you. Our discussion was whether it’s “jumping through hoops” and it clearly is. In this case, you’d have the sex faster but you’re erecting an arbitrary barrier which is this vetting coffee date which supposedly prevents rape. Why stop there? Why not have 3 coffee dates? Why not have 7 first dates? The first date was enjoyable but what a low bar. I can chat with a nice lady for 3 hours by going to the local grocery store and being nice to an old lady. This is a ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:01 PM
2

Spotted the boomer, “casual sex isn’t that common” lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:55 PM
1

Yes I see women as cars and I would like to lease a woman. Is there a 0 down financing option? Also my max budget is 499/mo, what make and model of woman can I get with those terms? I got low FICO unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:53 PM
1

1) Sex on the second date isn’t guaranteed and I don’t think you’re suggesting that every coffee date that goes well will automatically lead to sex on date 2 2) you might not care about the 2 hours but the guy might. Travel time to and from the coffee shop, plus the coffee, plus paying, that’s 3 hours of time and $5. Then the drinks date, that’s 4 hours of time and another $30, probably more if you Uber to the venue, have more than one drink, etc. I’d rather have sex spending 3.5 hours of courts…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:46 PM
1

I obviously am not suggesting that people are assessing each other’s ratings all the time. Just that you can get away with putting in less effort if you’re more attractive than the other person. For example, fat women message me first on apps or approach me at the bar. However if I want a thin woman, I have to do the first move and put in the work. Imagine the kind of guy you’d be willing to meet at his house straight off of bumble. Is it fair to say that this guy is hotter than the dudes who in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:42 PM
1

If alcohol is involved and the date is going well, we might have sex. If it’s a coffee date at noon and it’s going well, we won’t have sex. Meeting up for a drinks date several days later to do what we could have done on date 1 is less efficient. If we enjoyed the coffee date and went on a drinks date after, I lost 2 hours. We could have fucked sooner and just cuddled for those two hours. So let’s say the date will be bad. If it’s coffee, I spend $5 and lose 2 hours. If it’s drinks, I spend $30 …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:31 PM
1

It doesn’t make you less of a man in a metaphysical sense. You still have value as a human being, and some other woman similar to girl #1 might be head-over-heels over you. It does mean that you’re a dead man walking with the current girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:25 PM
1

I completely agree, that’s a relationship that can end in resentment and a dead bedroom years down the line. To avoid this, guys should be sensitive to differential treatment and assume that if she’s making you wait but slept with another guy under similar circumstances, she’s settling for you and you should bow out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:24 PM
2

I think you are suggesting that women never sleep with men that they make wait? That’s obviously false since settling, AFBB, and “I used to sleep with guys faster but you’re a good guy so let’s take our time” are real phenomenons.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:09 PM
0

“Showed her a better time” is totally ambiguous. Maybe the other dude invited her over for Netflix and chill but he’s hot so she went for it. If your point is that “you shouldn’t be bothered that she slept with a guy she’s more attracted to sooner than you,” I’m not sure what to say to that. Should guys accept that this woman considered them second-best? Or should he seek out a woman who considers him first-best?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:07 PM
3

This is all security theater because most sexual violence occurs with someone you know. There’s not an epidemic of anonymous dudes raping women under aliases. Your second and third paragraphs all sound great, but you ignore that many women who demand a coffee date have an extreme vetting mindset, and I can’t tell if that’s the case or if you just want to “vet” me on the coffee date (can you not vet me on the drinks date)? Also the coffee date costs money but importantly time. I’ll put it bluntly…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:59 PM
2

What if you took her on exactly the same date as another guy but she slept with him faster? This argument falls apart when you acknowledge that a guy is a “better time” when she’s more attracted to him. I can plan a great date catered to her interest and she sleeps with a fuccboi who invites her over for pizza. If you’re being made to wait for sex and she’s not a virgin or religious zealot, she’s not that interested, pull the plug.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:49 PM
1

The complaint is not only that she slept with a guy in a club bathroom but made you wait off an app because you need more rapport. The complaint is that she slept with an app guy on the first date but made you, also an app guy, wait a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:45 PM
1

She got a donk
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:42 PM
1

Interesting idea but you’ll run into the issue in big cities that the crowd just pairs people along racial lines. There is a huge bias to assume that Asians match with Asians, Blacks match with Blacks., etc., in excess of the actual data. I think something like 40% of black men are willing to date non-Black, and similar rates for Asian women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:24 PM
3

It should go without saying that your friend’s terrible experience is so rare that it has almost no bearing on the risk/reward assessment of a drinks date. How many drinks date happen daily off of apps? Probably tens of thousands? So I’m supposed to tack on an extra couple of hours of “vetting” because there’s a 1-in-10,000 chance that I’m going to roofie and rape? Isn’t there a chance that a guy you meet in class is a rapist too? So should you not get drinks with a guy you met in class? Sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:18 PM
1

Paying for drinks adds up since guys go on a lot of first dates given flaking, ghosting, friend zoning etc. A drink in my area is $20 now, add tax/tip and my drink, and that’s $60 just to show up. Majority of first dates go nowhere. It adds up fast. You don’t have to look like Gigachad, you just need more SMV than her. If you’re a 6 guy, a 4 will be happy to have you. If you’re a 9 guy, a 7 will be happy to have you. However if you are not gigachad but on a date with a Stacy, get your wallet out…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:04 PM
0

“No ONS” is irrelevant because I’ve had ONS with plenty of women who listed that. So I just ignore that language. My worst dating outcomes happen when I am interested in the person. I usually get ghosted or friendzoned. If I push for sex by date 2 things typically go better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:59 PM
2

I see where he’s coming from. If she insists on having dates where sex isn’t possible, she might have an “X-date minimum” rule or be an extreme vetter. Also if a woman can’t have a single drink because her inhibitions will be lowered and she’ll accidentally fuck a guy, she might be a high school student. So if a woman refuses a drinks date and wants coffee, she’s either an extreme vetter, has no faith in her own sexual agency, or just maybe she is totally normal but doesn’t want to drink. As a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:53 PM
3

A woman who’s a 6/7 is good-looking enough to have done some modeling. The point stands that you may be overrating her attractiveness. She may be beautiful but there are active professional models and IG models with 100k+ followers on these apps and she’s competing with them for the hot guys. If the guys you are matching with are white/tall/fit/handsome, they get 20-30 matches a day. Some of these women are hotter than your friend, and some of them are “easier” than your friend (I.e. they will a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:43 PM
2

It’s not that alcohol is necessary, it’s that drinks dates are conducive to sex. They happen later in the day whereas lunch/coffee/ice cream happens in the middle of the day when people still have shit to do. Also why are you personally attacking this dude? Drinks dates leading into sex are absolutely ubiquitous, yet you paint him as a deviant and say “yikes”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:35 PM
1

What race are you and what race is he? How tall are you and how tall is he?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:58 PM
2

If your only rebuttal is a personal attack, consider anger management classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:52 PM
2

Only rebuttal is a personal attack?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:45 PM
2

I dated a woman who was 5’7” and 145 but she was an equestrian so all her weight was in legs and butt muscles. Looked skinny. There’s too much variation to know for sure. However 5’6” 145 isn’t fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:35 PM
5

Posts like yours are useless because lots of guys do everything right and still struggle. I know professional men in their 30s making six figures who are single and not by choice. It’s asinine to suggest every single guy is a basement dweller with a gaming addiction
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:33 PM
1

5’6” and 145 lbs is nowhere near fat if the woman has any muscle mass. https://myprogresspics.com/progress-pics/18095/progress-pics-of-82-lbs-fat-loss-56-female-232-lbs-to-150-lbs Pic on the right is at 150#, an average guy on the street wouldn’t call that lady fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:16 PM
4

Your average man description was too real. Grind through apps and bars, eventually have sex with a date after jumping through hoops, but she’s either not my first choice looks-wise or has something wrong (just looking for a rebound and bounces back to her ex, is crazy, wants an AFBB, etc) Occasionally I’ve pulled some Chad behavior like having a first date at mine and banging the girl, or getting easy casual, but it’s inconsistent. If there’s one word to describe non-chad dating, it’s “sporadic”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:08 PM
10

It’s hard for a lot of dudes to accept women will just stay single rather than date someone who can’t carry on a conversation, lives in his parents basement, has no career ambition, and spends his days playing video games, getting stoned, and surfing stepmother porn. If only modern dating for men was as easy as getting a job, moving out of your parents place, and having hobbies besides video games
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:02 PM
1

Was fucking a girl doggystyle and slapped her ass with medium force. She stopped everything and asked “did I tell you you could slap my ass? This is male entitlement” I said sorry and went back in here, got my nut, and that was the last time we had sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:57 PM
1

Sparta got picked apart and dominated by its neighbors, which were largely Greek monarchies that were significantly less alpha. There were high-ranking women with power and effeminate soyboy kings in Macedon, Seleucid empire, and famously Ptolemaic Egypt (cleopatra was powerful queen with a soyboy bitch little brother). So is it worth being super-alpha and having your country snuffed out by neighbors more willing to expand and be culturally flexible?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:54 PM
1

I am 32M and live in a big city. I went to prep school, so many of my female friends are UMC, well-educated, attractive, etc. By most accounts they would be considered “high quality” women. I went to several weddings this year, and here’s where the couples met: Work School Friends School Friends OLD School Friends Those were the married couples. Now when I consider the attendees who were dating but not married, the share of OLD explodes to like 95%. The last wedding I went to, we are friends fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:53 PM
0

Lifetime numbers are totally relevant. Imagine you are waiting in line for a dance partner. 50 guys are in line, and the 50 women appear one at a time. Over the course of the whole dance party, every guy gets a dance partner, even if at any point in time, there are more guys in line than women. Are you suggesting guys shouldn’t go to this dance party? I used to approach 25 women a night, it would take about 4-5 hours. Nowadays I don’t go out as late due to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 03:43 PM
1

What does GND mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 12:20 AM
3

8.5/10. I crept her instagram and she's much better-looking than the picture used in the NYT. However she's 100% posting thirst traps, I feel like this kind of content will age poorly when she's no longer a hot 20-something Edit: Got depressing as I kept scrolling. First insta post was at age 10, by age 15 she had posted her first beach pic and the thirst traps began with sexy selfies with guys commenting "omg so beautiful, you should be a model." Now she's 20 and selling booty pics. Still this …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 12:09 AM
1

Hope!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:56 PM
1

“Happy on your own” isn’t the same as “not meant to be with someone” whatever that means. Because I’m happy on my own, I don’t value the pure physical presence of the woman on random errands. But doesn’t mean I don’t value having a partner period. You said it yourself, there’s more to a partner than just having someone to go to the mall with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:16 PM
1

I think it’s hard to argue that a girlfriend saves you time because she can help with household chores. Because you aren’t factoring the time you have to invest in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:11 PM
1

I voted to raise taxes on everyone else and lower them for myself
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:02 PM
1

Brazilian male model Chico was once asked in an interview, “why don’t you work out? You’re so skinny.” He replied, “why do I need to work out if I have a face like this?” Like everything else, some people need to work out and others don’t. I know fat rich guys who date models, and shredded short bald guys who can’t get a date. You can’t reduce the dating market to any one factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:01 PM
3

You don’t have any real basis on claiming men use dating apps because they’re too scared to cold approach. Why don’t you think men on apps also talk to women IRL?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:51 PM
1

I’ve gone on lots of dates with women I wouldn’t mind doing daily activities with but who don’t offer much besides that. Maybe I just don’t value having a permanent activity buddy if she’s not also attractive etc
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:50 PM
1

I can see the appeal, I like trying new things around my city but friends aren’t always available (in part because they have their own lives and partners)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:44 PM
4

1) the gender skew on dating apps is way overstated. Hinge and Bumble are the most popular for relationships, and the ratio there is closer to 60/40 M/W. Also if you consider lifetime use of OLD, the gender ratio narrows further. Women tend to delete their app and reinstall it whereas men keep swiping, so the monthly average user numbers are more skewed than the lifetime users. 2) again you are asserting that guys should “just” go out there in the field. I have thousands of approaches and dozens…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:42 PM
1

I think your overall point is that your SO is just around so if you want to have a spontaneous adventure, they’re always there to join. I.e. it’s nice to have a gf cus they’re a buddy that’s always there?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:37 PM
1

I don’t go to the mall to try craft beers, I go to the craft brewery by my house. Also do I need a girlfriend to enjoy craft beer?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:29 PM
8

There are enough women on dating apps/instagram/tiktok who aren’t going to entertain a man they meet on the street or at the bar unless that guy is a Chad. In other words, real-life dating doesn’t outperform OLD enough for men to reliably improve their dating lives by ditching OLD and only focusing on real life. There’s a myth on PPD that OLD users are all neckbeard men who are cluelessly bashing their heads against the wall swiping because they’re too scared to approach. Give people a bit more …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:28 PM
1

I don’t get what you are saying. I don’t have an issue with the financial expense of dating, I’m rly rich. I’m asking about the upside of vanilla dating versus getting out of the grind and just fucking a smokeshow professional occasionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:23 PM
1

I shop for clothing online and I have a tailor on call who comes by my house to measure my clothing. She then takes any pieces that need tailoring back to her shop and drops them back off.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:20 PM
1

I don’t feel like I need more emotional closeness. Between my therapist, friends, and family, my emotional needs are met.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:07 PM
1

I don’t see how opportunity cost is a fallacy. If person A has a salary of 100k a year and person B makes $100 an hour, then person B has a higher opportunity cost of her time. If she can work an extra 10 hours a week, that’s more money in her pocket vs the salaried person. Also it’s kinda questionable logic to have a girlfriend in case my views on family changes. Why not only pursue a mother of my children when I do actually decide to have children?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:06 PM
1

Yes that was my point, a normal gf might blow her bf every day, but it would be difficult/expensive to get daily head from sugar babies/escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:03 PM
1

I don’t do chores, I pay people to do them for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:01 PM
1

I do things together with my friends. Seems the main benefit is that I can have sex while doing things. Which isn’t trivial btw
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:30 PM
1

This would be awesome and hard to replicate with a sugar baby/escort without spending six figures on sex workers
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:29 PM
1

Yes it would be nice to have a partner to do everything. Seems like a lot of work though, I like to solo travel, play instrumental music, and lift weights, the odds that I meet someone with all of those interests just isn’t high. More likely there will be aspects of our lives that are separate, just like with regular friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:55 PM
1

Real LTRs and sleeping around consumes a ton of time and energy because I prefer sex with hot women. Sugar/escort just shortcuts past this. I’m not looking for the girlfriend experience with a sugar baby, just sex on the reg.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:54 PM
1

I’ll just speak on 2) but I have a good relationship with my brother and friends who I am very emotionally close with. I could talk to them during death in the family, struggles at work, mental health struggles, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:52 PM
1

My friends and family care about me and are there for the worst parts of my life. I can have sex with randoms, plates, or a sugar baby. I can afford outsourcing chores, I have a top 1% income. So I can just pay for shopping delivery, housecleaning, etc. So love would be the one missing component. I’ve been in love before, it was a great feeling but not worth chasing above all else imo
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:51 PM
1

I am not a small biz owner, I am an employee (think tech, finance, law, etc), so I can’t exactly plow free time back into a small biz for example. So the opportunity cost of me maintaining a home or cooking isn’t as high. I work 50 hrs a week or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:49 PM
2

Can someone list the benefits of a standard monogamous LTR for a guy who isn’t interested in marriage and kids? Just trying to figure out if the juice is worth the squeeze. Dating takes a ton of time, energy, money, and it’s needle-in-a-haystack finding a woman who’s attractive, intelligent, and sexually compatible. My alternative would be to get a sugar baby, I’m quite wealthy so I can afford a hot 24 year old comfortably. Idea is that I’d sugar for the next 3-4 years which are especially cruci…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:51 PM
2

I like this scale way better because you don’t have a situation where the average person is a 7 and you only have 2 numbers to describe the huge gap between a normal cute girl you would see on a daily basis and a woman who can make a living just off her looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 07:52 PM
2

This is truerateme/PSL/looksmaxx scale. Most people are 5s. 6s are top 1/3rd of the pop. 7s top 10%. 8+ are models, actresses, instagrammers, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 07:45 PM
3

I get labeled an incel here regularly. Also “with that attitude it’s no wonder you struggle with women” when I have a lay count of like 100
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:49 PM
3

I’m definitely Stacysexual, I can’t derive pleasure from having sex with sub-5 women at all. 5-6 is a struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:47 PM
0

I crossed the 40-50 mark in my mid-20s. If you need nausea meds lmk
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:40 PM
4

Six figure salary isn’t rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 08:22 PM
13

We don’t need to speculate, 30% of women have gone on a date only looking for a free meal. I don’t know what percent of first dates are foodie calls, but it’s not a trivial number. Foodie calling isn’t about the absolute price of a meal as much as it’s about the free option. You get to meet a guy and find out if he’s cool/funny/hot at no cost to yourself. If it’s clear he sucks within 5 minutes, there’s no incentive to excuse yourself and leave; he’s going to pay for the food anyway so might as …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 08:29 AM
16

Here is the guy’s perspective when it comes to this. Some women are foodie callers and showed up just for free food. Other women offer to split just to test the guy; if he accepts her offer to split, he gets ghosted. And a third set of women want to split because if he pays, he can lord that over her and she owes him sex. A priori the guy doesn’t know which woman is in front of him. All he can do is guess. If he guesses wrong, he’s out. If he just asks her directly what she prefers, he’s out bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 01:37 AM
2

An attractive black man vs a white man with no hair or money is not really a competition anymore. Yes and no, if the two guys live in a non-diverse area then it can still be competitive. The magnitudes of racial differences are quite big, something like 90% of white women say they wouldn’t date a non-white person. Having 10x the pool changes the level of competition dramatically. However these stats were from 5 years ago and like you said, the gap is narrowing but remains quite wide.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:16 PM
3

I’m also black and started balding in my late teens, and while I agree that it’s less of a big deal, in the broader context baldness still screws you. The delta between a bald black guy and the same black guy with a full head of hair is smaller; but black guys have less margin on error on their appearance to start with. To be competitive with high SMV women (including attractive black women who typically date out in big cities), you need to be fit, well-dressed, good skin, money, and hair is par…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:37 PM
–

As far as global crises go, Covid + inflation spike is pretty tame. Could be way worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:00 AM
–

Most directly you can probably blame the Russians. Maybe also the government for giving out money during Covid. But the flip side of the inflation is that you have a job. If you want inflation gone tomorrow, that’s easy, the fed just raises rates until 20% of people are unemployed. But that’s probably worse than today. At least you aren’t a young man in 1917 getting shelled in a trench in France.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:38 PM
1

This is true if you look at all of LA county, but in trendy neighborhoods like Venice, Santa Monica, West Hollywood, Los Feliz, etc, you can sit in a restaurant and there isn’t a single woman in the room below a 6, and there are several model tier women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 02:42 PM
2

Big city just generate more concentrated outcomes. The richest man in NYC almost always has more $ than the richest man in Billings Montana.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 02:57 AM
3

I think a lot of PPD arguments come down to users living in different geographies. I’m in a big wealthy coastal city and the singles market covers a huge range (early 20s to mid-late 30s). My first job, one of the managing directors (divorced 40yo man) was dating a hot new 22yo analyst openly at work. A 7-year age gap wouldn’t raise any eyebrows, early/mid 30s guys are typically dating women in their 20s. On the other hand I grew up in Texas and a lot of my classmates were married by age 23 to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 02:51 AM
1

Well last year at age 31 I had a ONS with a 21 year old. When I was 25 I hooked up with two 18yos in one summer and one of them was a virgin. I’m not even that much of a Chad compared to my friends, I have three friends who are in their early 30s dating hot 23-25yos. Maybe we live in different parts of the country but it’s fairly common to see older guys with younger women here, however the older guys are typically attractive and/or rich
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 02:38 AM
2

Ehh I’m 32 and I’ve slept with a few 21yos recently. Haven’t slept with a woman under 20 since I was 26 or 27.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 02:35 AM
2

Just finished book 2, the final act of book 2 is the best sci-fi I’ve ever read and I’ve read the OG Asimov books etc. Book 2 overall had some weird romance that makes me think the author is an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:20 PM
1

You have a Chad brother, nice
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:17 PM
2

Hmm yeah guys think that young women are hot. The cover girls of swimsuit magazines like Sports Illustrated are all between 18-22. I.e. when big biz needs to sell as much sex as possible on the biggest stage, they go for younger girls. PPD women are on another planet if they think it’s deviant for guys of all ages to chase young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:14 PM
1

So I am referencing the human capacity to accumulate muscle per scientific journals, and you are referencing your personal experience because you used to "literally live in a gym." Wonderful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:54 AM
1

Celia does Olympic lifting which is fairly quad dominant, hence the big quads. What I’m getting at is, she looks like she has hips just because her quads are so large. If she didn’t work out she’d look like a straight-hipped teenage boy. Hourglass figure means having a hip and bust measurement that is equal, and a waist measurement that is lower than both. The less upper body exercise you do, the lower your bust measurement. The more quad and glute medius exercises you do, the higher your hip me…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 07:42 PM
1

Just like with men, there are women who won’t look any different no matter what their exercise routine. However the average woman can add 20-25 lbs of muscle over her lifetime which is more than enough to go from mousey with terrible bodyfat to not being undateable due to her body, which was the point of the OP. The question here is not “can anyone become a fitness influencer regardless of starting genetics,” the question is “is body shape malleable enough that it is not a genetic limit for a ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 07:24 PM
0

I’m not saying it’s easy or that you can completely flip from being bottom heavy to top heavy by lifting weights. What I am saying is that a woman who has an unattractive “shape” can alter that shape because the size of different muscles highly impacts the silhouette on your body, and bone structure does not change that. No matter how straight a woman’s hips, if her quads are massive and flare outwards (vastus lateralis is the muscle in question) she will look less like a straight-hipped boy bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 07:21 PM
2

I don’t know who is downvoting me but I have 10 years of lifting experience and have done bulks and cuts in the order of 20-25 lbs, and my best lifts give me a wilks score that would be competitive at the local level. My waist fluctuates between 38 and 32 depending on my leanness, and my shoulders have fit between a M and an XL for the same brands, all due to the amount of mass I’ve had on different parts of my body. Having bigger quads while being lean would give the appearance of wider hips. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:55 PM
2

Your barrel has to be extreme for it to be literally impossible to get a V taper. Bideltoid width (the top of the V) is impacted by, obviously, the size of your deltoids. So if you have huge delts but are otherwise lean to keep your midsection skinny, it will help. Not saying everyone can do it as easily, but only a minority of guys cannot get a V because they are so pear-shaped. Body shape is nowhere near height which is totally immutable
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:08 PM
2

Reposting from myself: Because most of the human skeleton has muscle around it, you can change shape by hypertrophying and atrophying muscles appropriately. In your example, the woman would need to basically do 0 shoulder exercises, but would want the biggest obliques, glutes, and quads possible to give the illusion of biggest hips. Bodybuilding as a sport is based around this principle. There is no bodybuilding for your height.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 04:50 PM
-1

Yea this isn’t really true, because most of the human skeleton has muscle around it, you can change shape by hypertrophying and atrophying muscles appropriately. In your example, the woman would need to basically do 0 shoulder exercises, but would want the biggest obliques, glutes, and quads possible to give the illusion of biggest hips. Bodybuilding as a sport is based around this principle. There is no bodybuilding for your height.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 04:49 PM
–

We have statistics about what height cutoff the average woman uses on a dating app and the average guy (5’9”) doesn’t make that cutoff. So it’s not an incel excuse. Also I don’t care if you know a short balding guy who is slaying, the data speaks for itself
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:32 PM
–

*who’s
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:28 PM
–

Did I miss a thread where people said this? I thought it was understood that many loner guys are psycho (the mass shooters etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:27 PM
–

Imo there’s no correlation between niceness whether a guy is socially awkward/ugly. There are nice losers and nice Chads, and there are toxic losers and toxic chads. However due to halo effects, women tend to think ugly/awkward guys have worse personalities than Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:24 PM
1

I’m totally in favor, no better way to experience another country than to have a love affair with a local. I had a fling in Istanbul once and she took me to underground raves, didn’t even know that scene existed in Turkey
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 04:35 PM
9

American sorority girls have been flying to Europe to “find themselves”/get banged out by Eurochads for forever. I have friends and family in France and it’s a meme that when young single Americans show up in Paris, it’s an easy lay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:15 PM
4

I increasingly find myself not caring about women getting pumped and dumped, cheated on, ghosted, etc. Dating market is increasingly becoming a state of nature. You can cheat, steal, lie about your age/height/intentions, be racist, be heightist, cut people off for any reason, and it’s all ok as long as it’s not illegal and you can get away with it. Recognizing this, people should stop acting like they “won” because they’re married or in a relationship. You’re still competing and can still lose. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:02 PM
1

Let’s say you were God and for some reason you had to take away one attribute from this friend, but you want him to pull as many numbers as possible. Would you take away his looks or his personality? You know it will be a lower rate of pull than the status quo but you’re still trying to maximize the rate. What do you think, given how well you know this guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:20 PM
1

He's good looking but not that good looking to me personally. He 100% pulled because of his personality and charisma. Does that mean him being good-looking has a 0% impact?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 06:27 PM
1

Sure it’s not in the Oxford dictionary but it’s understood that alpha doesn’t mean “guys I like,” it means “guys that everyone likes for looks/money/status reasons.” If an orthodox Jewish woman said “I like this guy because he observes religious doctrine to a tee, he’s so alpha,” that would be wrong. But you said the equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 12:01 AM
1

I get that the average person might not know a gigachad living in NY/LA and sleeping with a ton of women, however it’s not helpful when a woman claims her short fat friend is such a slayer he has fucked all her friends, but suddenly she can’t remember which ones. Makes me question how much they actually know about this guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 11:59 PM
1

Just annoying that she says this guy is a huge Chad, but she doesn't know how many women he's slept with even though he's slept with all her friends. Just comes off as a LARP. Every PPD woman knows a short ugly guy who slays but it rarely holds up to scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:35 PM
1

Alpha has a specific meaning, it refers to guys who get the most sexual interest. Not what you personally find attractive or honorable. If I were a woman who was sexually attracted to Dungeons and Dragons, my short scrawny awkward DnD boyfriend wouldn't suddenly be "alpha"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:32 PM
2

Ehh I wasn't imagining high school hookups when I asked this question. Do you know any Chads above the age of majority?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 08:04 PM
1

What is the highest N of the guys you consider top-tier man material?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 08:03 PM
1

How many of your friends has he slept with?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 08:01 PM
1

This was in college in the early 2000s or something? I don't want to discount your experiences but do you know any Chads that are millenials or younger?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 07:52 PM
1

When you say he's been with just about everybody you know, how many women is that and over what time frame?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 07:50 PM
1

How Chaddy is he? Give us a sense of his prowess, escapades, etc. I’m a normie compared to my chad friends but a total slayer compared to the average guy (my lay count is near 100)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 07:45 PM
3

He’s making an IED (improvised explosive device) joke, grim as fk humor
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 07:43 PM
2

You’re thinking of IED (improvised explosive device), which insurgents use to blow up American jeeps and tanks on patrol in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 07:43 PM
1

You don’t remember how tall your friend was? Can you at least give us above or below average height?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 07:42 PM
6

Q4W: how much of a Chad is the Chaddiest guy you know? Almost every woman here knows a 5’7” balding guy who is the biggest ladies’ man they know, can you describe this guy’s dating life. Biggest Chad I know slept with 30 women in one summer and 50% of the time we were at a bar or restaurant, the bartender would slip him her number. I once saw him pick up a smokeshow at the bar while too drugged out to form sentences. 6’3”, jacked, white, designer stubble, looked like a bachelorette contestant
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 07:33 PM
1

So if a guy starts dating a woman who makes much less than him, and she starts gold digging, it’s his fault for dating someone who makes less and not her fault for gold digging? The majority of women prefer men who make more than them, at what income differential is it acceptable for her to gold-dig?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 06:52 PM
1

1) Most farmers lease land, 2) I didn’t describe an agricultural subsidy at all, I described government procurement, when the government buys a missile its not “subsidizing” the aerospace industry. The missile can come from another country. 3) even if the farmers owned the land, the value of farmland would explode and they would either sell the land to willing farmers or they would farm themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 11:07 PM
17

Are you suggesting that a random man thinks he owns a random woman he passes by on the street, and that his property rights are violated if she sleeps with a random other guy on the street?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 10:59 PM
6

The analogy is most often brought up when women say there’s a double standard, “when a guy sleeps with a bunch of women he’s a stud, when a woman sleeps with a bunch of guys she’s called a slut.” The main point of the metaphor is that men and women play different roles in dating. It’s a bad analogy because it ignores that individual men and women have different values. A guy who has sex with dozens of ugly women is less impressive that a guy who has only has sex with a couple of models. A woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 10:57 PM
–

In the first case they are compelled by the profit motive, in the second case they are compelled under threat of jail time. Context was fairly clear. Anyway my point is that if the government creates enough demand, there will always be farmers even though every farmer will be doing so voluntarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 10:49 PM
–

Actually you are wrong. It’s possible for an item to be a right without suppliers being forced to produce. This is done via government spending creating constant demand (technically speaking, the government having a fully inelastic demand curve). If the government decides that wheat is a right and buys wheat every day, then all the wheat producers, both domestic and foreign, become compelled to produce wheat because they know there will be a buyer. At the limit, people who aren’t farmers quit th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:16 PM
1

What’s the correlation? I don’t understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:11 PM
2

Under-discussed topic. It’s purely genetics where guys carry fat, and if you’re a guy who does not carry fat on your face, your dating life just got way easier. You don’t need to be nearly as lean in order to look good, which means you can have defined facial features most sustainable and into an older age. Even better if your underlying bone structure is solid. I was a fat kid with chubby cheeks and still carry lots of fat on my face. At 20% bodyfat I have 0 jaw and only a bit of cheekbone. At …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 09:51 PM
2

If a woman enters a relationship to increase her lifestyle quality at the expense of the man, that’s bad. However it doesn’t matter what her lifestyle quality was outside the relationship (aka her income isn’t important).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 01:34 PM
1

He didn't say anything about a "nice body," which itself is an arbitrary phrase (some guys like big boobs, others don't, some like wide hips, others don't, etc). He said that most guys have a preference for thin women, and you responded as if this was an absurd standard because it forces women to have plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 12:44 AM
–

The vast majority of women’s bodies would be considered attractive by most guys if the woman has some muscle and 20-25% body fat. If you think women need breast implants, BBL, and rib cage resizing to meet men’s preference for “thinness”, you spend too much time on the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 11:20 PM
7

Nope, all virgins have lisps and are shut-ins who watch TV with their mother on a Saturday night. And it’s a strawman anyway cus guys here talk about low N-count, not virgin. Personally I don’t care about N-count and I wish every 2nd thread wasn’t about this moronic topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 10:20 PM
0

She lost me when she said thin women need to have plastic surgery. Clean diet and exercise, that’s what you expect from us ladies when you chase after fit dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:27 PM
1

My point is that, if you want to dispute the argument that looks is #1, it’s not helpful to point out that you, a 6ft white guy, got laid upon learning game. Because if a short brown guy had run the same game as you, he would not get the same result, ergo the game was not decisive. You can complain as much as you want, there are ugly 6ft white guys who struggle. Apparently that’s not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:36 PM
1

Wow so my point is proven. Above average height white guy calls himself “average” to say that game makes a difference. I never claimed brown or short people can’t get laid. Just that in order to assert that game has this massive impact, you probably shouldn’t use your own case if you are above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 04:39 AM
3

A lot of what makes Chad Chad is genetic, and it’s usually in-your-face things. Women aren’t much for subtlety, physical features like height, defined jawline, full head of hair, and muscles are noticeable no matter how inept the guy underneath. So it’s unlikely for a guy with Chad potential to walk around at age 25 as a virgin unless he truly doesn’t leave the basement. Can an average guy become Chad? It depends if he has a good base. The easiest way is for this guy to lose weight. It varies bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 04:35 AM
2

We don’t need to exchange anecdotes. The data says that the pool of women wanting to date white guys is significantly higher than the pool of woke white women. In white women the figure is something like 10% willing to date POC. We are off-track. I was challenging your assertion that game is pivotal because you’re average, but then you learned game and now you get laid. I can’t just take your word that you looked in the mirror and decided you’re average. In the absence of headshots we at least n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:53 PM
3

There are a lot of young people and old people here. Not a lot of 22-35 working adults actively dating. Also way too many middle aged married women giving dating advice about how to get a 25yo woman in 2022.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:01 PM
1

What are the 6s? 6ft, 6 figures, 6 inch dong, what else?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 05:59 PM
1

Leasing a sports car is 1k a month, designer outfit costs like 2k. You can spend 20k a year and have very nice car and clothes, you just won’t save anything. Women aren’t attracted to savvy investing strategies or a bank account number, they are attracted to spending. I spend 10% of my gross income and no one wants to fuck me on that basis
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 05:56 PM
1

I should take the cat pill, how long can I leave a cat alone at home?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 05:44 PM
1

If face is decent and tall, then yes. At the very least there is a deep pool of Asian women willing to date white guys and no one else.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 05:43 PM
1

If you’re white and/or above 6ft, and your face is at all decent, you would be getting above average match rates on OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 12:10 AM
1

Hahaha every possible justification to pretend that Chad isn’t getting matches because he’s 6’5” and ripped
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 12:08 AM
1

I pulled homeownership statistics in CA by birth cohort. People born in 1980 but before 1990 have a ~20% ownership rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 12:08 AM
0

California has a 40% pet ownership rate, that’s not special at all. Zodiac signs don’t have any impact on dating outcomes. We don’t know his age but he looks to be in his 30s. About 1/5 Californians in that age range own homes. Obviously there are a ton of liberals in California. So all this profile demonstrates is that as long as you are tall, jacked, white (?), and hot, completely generic attributes about you are taken as making you better and better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:49 PM
1

How do you know you were an average guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:39 PM
5

Yes there are several “looks don’t matter, I have a short fat ugly friend who gets laid, in fact the guy I know who gets laid the most is 5’6”.” This is a common discussion here. Also I don’t think anyone, even the most basement-dwelling incels, think looks are the only thing that matters. Incels talk about neurotypicality all the time (hard to date if you are autistic).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:38 PM
4

Did you read my post? Male birth control strong enough to prevent pregnancy would castrate 95% of men who take it. They would also drop significant weight from the muscle loss. Sorry to hear about your friend but did she also turn into a man and grow a beard after losing her Fallopian tubes?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:31 PM
8

There are several “looks don’t matter” posts in the past week. “The biggest issue guys have is no confidence” that kinda thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:07 PM
9

Just want to point out that the level of hormones necessary to render a man infertile (how a male birth control pill would work) would make him unable to have a boner, and might actually begin a gender transition. I.e male BC pills has massive side effects for men above and beyond the side effects that female BC has for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:02 PM
1

I’m 32M Tall (I’m 6’2”) intellectually curious, likes learning new skills, exploring different cultures (I’ve traveled to 60 countries, learned multiple languages as an adult, I try different hobbies) willing to contribute to the shared experience of the relationship. Whether that’s planning dates, contributing financially, etc. also applies to intimacy (I make lots of $$ and I plan all the dates, green flag is when she actually reciprocates. I also go down on my partners)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 08:54 PM
3

Economics is applied to the labor market which is all about different and unique humans interacting. In fact you can hire a friend or companion, that’s how geishas and maid bars in Japan works. The service they provide is being a different and unique human.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 07:31 PM
4

Scarcity in economics just means that the economic agents have limited resources and therefore have a production frontier. I.e even if there is unlimited oil in the ground, your pump can only pull out so much oil per year. In dating, you only have so much time energy and money, so you must make trade offs when meeting potential partners. “Do I want to spend my life with this person” is fundamentally a scarcity-driven question because they will consume such a large portion of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 07:26 PM
15

I don’t care about N counts and neither do any of my male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:42 PM
8

Went on a first date with a woman from OLD. Lasted about 90 mins. Had a drink and a nice chat, she was pleasant but not too exciting. Had put on some weight versus her pics. I paid but she didn’t bother offering. Gave me a side hug at the end of the date. Today I texted her saying I had fun but it wasn’t gonna work out. She sent a salty response about how personally she doesn’t think one date is enough to get to know someone enough to make that call, but “you do you.” I am only imagine how many …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:27 PM
1

Fitness hobbies are a special case because they are good for you, but I disagree that they are better because they expose you to a different style. I could just as easily say that fitness dudes would be introduced to a different style by hanging out with Star Trek nerds. Again the difference between the two is that women find one hobby more appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 10:46 PM
-4

Why do you think every man here is repulsive?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 10:44 PM
-2

You think it's impossible for a good-looking mid-30s guy to pull attractive early 20s women? You think if Chase Crawford walked into a bar (and was not rich/famous), no early 20s woman would be interested? This is such MOPE.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 09:13 PM
1

The only difference between a hobby that improves your social standing and one that doesn’t is whether women are impressed by it. No man would decline to hang out with another guy just because he’s into DND. So again, we have come back full circle and are assigning value to hobbies based on their dating impact. Guys learn a lot and make friends from “bad” hobbies like video games, dnd, Star Trek, etc. In my opinion the only difference between being on a dnd crew and being in a band is that women…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 08:34 PM
2

“C*pe” is technically short for coping mechanisms but incls started using it as a comeback whenever bluepill people disagree and it led to a lot of flame wars. Onto your main point, we should distinguish between self-improvement to get girls and just pursuing your interest and improving as a side effect. Initially you said that a danger of these Chad discussions is that guys will get resentful and stop self improving. However that will stop the first type. Guys will stop doing things expressly t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 08:04 PM
3

6ft tall, 6-figure income, 8 inch dick, but she’s willing to allow him to not do chores around the house 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 06:30 PM
3

FYI avoid the word “cope” or the mods might come after you. I hear you about PPD breeding resentment but that’s just one of the phases of acceptance. People tend to first get angry when they realize they are playing rigged games. Occupy Wall Street as a response to income inequality for example. As far as people not trying or not seeing the worth in self-improvement, there’s a case to be made that this is healthy. If the dating market is skewed, then some guys will be left out even if they self-…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:28 PM
3

Yes everyone has to work to pay bills or afford food, but do you think 18yo e-boy TikTokers have worked super-hard on their careers? Because they have fangirls and can sleep with them without cold approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:16 PM
7

Living in Hollywood you’ve met enough fuccboi actors who sleep around with clout chasers and groupies. Even if you don’t find these guys attractive, more than enough women do for them to not need to put effort, which was my original point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:11 PM
2

I just said my Chad friends get approached one in three nights. That's once every 3 weeks. If they sleep with half these girls, that's 6 women a year with 0 effort. You are reducing it to the absurd ("Chad fucks 365 women a year"). My point was that even if individual women approach rarely, because they all approach Chad-type guys, from his perspective there is a constant flow of women approaching him and he doesn't need to cold-approach 12 women at a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:52 AM
8

If dating imbalances is anything like the distribution of income, then the top 1% guys take 20% off the top, and the top 10% take about 50% off the top. So the rest of the guys are fighting over half the female population. I don't know if this is true, I'm only explaining why the existence of Chad would affect a normal guy's life. There's value in talking about it besides breeding resentment. For example, if some guy is not aware of this, he might feel like there is a shortage of single women in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:49 AM
7

OP said that these guys have an outsized impact on the dating market. I'm not sure how to quantify that, but if they are 1% of the population but 20% of women are holding out for them (this is the income distribution of 1% btw), then yea they're single handedly cutting the female dating pool by 1/5th.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:08 AM
20

If you really live in LA you must know that some guys put in 0 effort. At the extreme, the A-list actors and athletes have groupies or their fixers find them girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:35 AM
1

Let me try again. Black men are stereotyped as dominant/masculine. Asian men are stereotyped as feminine/passive. Both grounds do worse than white men who are presumably neutral on this axis. Ergo, dominance/masculine stereotypes can’t be the whole story behind race effect on dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:27 AM
4

Your initial claim was that women never approach. It wasn’t that women approach more than men. I don’t think women approach more than men, but they sure do approach if they are really interested in the guy. I gave you a few examples but I’d say I witness a woman approaching a guy (rarely me, usually my Chad friends) one in three nights we go out. That’s enough for these guys to have a rotation of women without them ever actually making an aggressive direct approach. You approached 12 women in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:40 AM
1

This is an oversimplification. Obvious example is that black men are stereotyped as hyper-dominant but do worse than white men on pick-your-metric. Marriage rates, match rates, % of women who say they would date this race, etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 09:42 PM
1

Sub would get brigades and banned fast. The white users tend to get extremely salty when race is brought up, and the race-pill folks are uncompromising, so it’ll just end in a flame war. That said, race is probably the single biggest factor. The difference between a white guy and Asian guy can be massive, some studies suggest 3-5x the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 09:37 PM
2

I don’t care about N-count and no one I know in real life cares
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 09:25 PM
4

It’s not a “belief,” I witnessed it first hand. I had a girl approach me once to ask if I could introduce her to my Chad friend. I was once out at a bar and a woman waved my other Chad friend over to her from across the room. If you have never witnessed this, you don’t have enough attractive male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 09:21 PM
9

Blackpill believes that women approach Chad and no one else. I have seen women approach in real life but the guy is usually exceptionally good-looking
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 02:23 PM
3

“Terribly ugly” is super vague. I have friends who are well-traveled and funny and get 0 action. One of them is Latino. He’s 5’7”. When he’s in Mexico where the average male height is 5’5”, he’s dating smokeshows. In the US he gets blown out nonstop at bars. So is he getting an abundance or isn’t he? It’s just fantasy to believe that all a guy needs is good stories to get girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 06:22 AM
4

Someone has never met an ugly guy with fun travel stories. He still doesn’t get laid at bars
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 05:53 AM
2

If you are engaging the market, you are a part of the market. Unemployment rate uses “economically active population” as the denominator. You count as economically active if you are applying for jobs even if you haven’t had a job for 5 years. However if you aren’t actively asking anyone out or trying to fuck ever, you’re out of the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 08:06 PM
1

The simps and white knights have the worst arguments, followed by the out-of-touch crowd (married 20 years but giving OLD advice), followed by the virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 08:03 PM
3

I have my hinge stats and the odds that I get a number or date are about double if she messages first. However the odds are still small (10% instead of 5%, eg)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 08:00 PM
2

It’s valid, I’m just going to break it off. You have to consider the guy’s perspective. I have no clue what “being hurt” means. Maybe that previous guy slept with her and tore her down, ghosted her, blackmailed her, or other shady shit. Or maybe he slept with her and the relationship didn’t work out. Women, including on PPD, will lump all of the above into “hurt” and “pump-and-dump.” Because there aren’t that many nefarious dudes out there on average, chances are she banged the last guy fast and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 03:47 PM
29

Would you rather be in demand for your vagina or not in demand period?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:59 PM
9

It’s fairly easy to tell. I have been on many third dates where I start making out with the woman and she stops me to say, “just so you know, I’ve moved quickly in the past and that resulted in me getting hurt, so I want to move more slowly this time.” Fairly obvious that she didn’t make previous fuccboi wait and she’s making me wait. The easy way to find out is to just go for it on date 3. A woman who just doesn’t move fast say to slow down because she isn’t comfortable yet. A woman who gave it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:58 PM
1

The non-violent men have no control over the actions of the violent men, so your last sentence makes no sense. As for your first sentence, she doesn’t need to spot who will rape her. She only needs to assess her own risk tolerance and take reasonable precautions. Fact is, for the average woman, she can take 0 precautions her entire life and statistically speaking she will not be raped or assaulted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:52 PM
4

The argument is that a singular woman would have quick casual sex with some guys and make other guys wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:45 PM
2

A French man born 1895 would have fought in both WW1 and WW2. Use your noggin’ man
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:25 PM
1

Some of us are born in peacetime, others are born in 1895 France and spend our whole adult lives in a trench.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:08 PM
1

They ain’t believe in us. GOD DID
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:51 PM
1

Not quite, google “Graves disease eyes,” I had a milder version of this (wasn’t dangerous). The surgery normalizes the eye shape. Result is subtle and natural, friends and family have not noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:51 PM
3

Yes I am at war against my own genetics. I started balding at 19, I have crooked teeth, and a congenital facial feature most often found in adults with a thyroid disease. I’ve poured a lot of resources into tackling these
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:48 PM
1

It’s a spectrum, some guys don’t even need to color greys, they stay competitive (I’m using that term to mean, if they were single, could they get dates consistently), and other guys wouldn’t be able to get my quality of dates even with triple the effort. I try to be disciplined about what I want. I throw around the word Stacy but I would be thrilled to date a woman who was a 7. That’s an attractive person but not a model or an instagrammer or anything. So I’m not going to push the self-improvem…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:45 PM
2

I’m fairly confident it will work out, I already date 1-2 Stacies a year. Haven’t locked down an LTR either because of incompatibility issues or because Stacy had other options and picked them over me. If I had no chance of success I would have given up a while ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:36 PM
1

I’ve definitely spent thousands of dollars on dental care, skincare, etc. My surgery was to fix a deformity (normally it’s a reconstructive surgery for people who have a thyroid disease, but I was born with the feature, my thyroid is fine) I think there’s a big gap between my case and the chronic plastic surgery types.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:34 PM
1

Opened up a new front in my looksmaxxing war: will start taking finasteride and will do a hair transplant depending on the regrowth. Already did eyelid surgery, Invisalign, and got muscle. I’ll have to cut body fat though because I have a moon face unless I’m sub 12%, brutal. In my mid 20s I came to terms with the reality that I cannot date women who are unattractive. I’m a total Stacy chaser, and I even have a height minimum (5’5”). Sleeping with an overweight or sub-5 woman makes me sad and de…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:23 PM
2

Women overestimate the danger from an average man. Even the most aggressive prevalence stats for sexual assault is 1/5 women over their lifetime. The incidence per first date is vanishingly small. I might have to dig up one of my posts but it’s much likelier to be in a severe car crash than it is to get assaulted on a first date. Ergo the argument on PPD that men should pay for dates because women take on all this risk is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:49 PM
1

I find gap between two top front teeth to be super unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:54 PM
5

Unless you are fairly attractive, hooking up at bars requires massive numbers. That’s a lot of time, a lot of cover charges, a lot of drinks and hangovers. It works but it’s extremely inefficient if you’re not attractive. At my peak I was going out every weekend, both nights, and easily approaching 20 women a night. My friends and I would warm up by trying to get rejected 5 times in the first hour of the night, usually by just going after the hottest girl there. I’ve hooked up with maybe 50 wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:37 PM
1

You are taking a statistical fact (population is large so men must have an option somewhere) to handwave away the meaningful difference between men and women’s options. Here’s an example, a woman who has a master’s degree and wants to date someone at her education level or higher has “few options” because there are only so many male MAs and PhDs. But that’s by choice, there are millions of men with bachelor’s would be willing to date her. On the other hand, there are lots of men with PhDs who ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:29 PM
1

Any race can do well if they are attractive, it’s just that Asian/Indian/Black does worse than white at any given level of attractiveness. Asian male model does worse than white male model but still kills it. Asian balding janitor does worse than white balding janitor (latter can still go to Thailand) but they both struggling. And so on
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:20 PM
8

It’s quintessentially American to be so self-referential as to describe political ideologies along American axes. Far-left in America means “Medicare-for-all” but there’s no actual political wing that wants to nationalize the commanding heights of the economy. Meanwhile far-right refers to tax-cuts but there’s no political wing seeking for a military junta to take over the government. So instead you have two political factions more alike than dissimilar flinging shit over wedge issues like immig…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:34 PM
2

Nah the absolute monarchs of the 1800s who set up public schools were actually being cucked by random civilian women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 06:23 PM
1

Any possibility that they believe the free market does not internalize externalities, thus services with diffuse benefits like health and education should be delivered by the state?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:51 PM
5

How do you explain male high-income leftists? They wouldn’t benefit from any of the betabuxx. Let me guess, findom at the national level?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:28 PM
1

I was discussing this with my friend who is an Black guy dating a white girl. Her white ex-boyfriends were waiters and drifters, her black ex-boyfriends were athletes and my friend works at a hedge fund lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 02:10 PM
2

Ok that makes sense actually. The dividing line between just commenting on physical appearance and lookism/incl is if it’s unsolicited and if it’s absolutist. So if someone asks me about height and I answer that it makes a difference, that would pass. If I started a headline thread saying it’s over if you are under 5’9”, that would fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:49 PM
1

There was a thread where men asked women whether baldness was ok, and several replied saying “I would never date a bald guy, I like guys with lush hair.” Would this be incl content under lookism? Would a guy saying “baldness makes you less dateable” be considered incl content under lookism? What’s the difference between these two?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:21 PM
1

The blackpill rebuttal would be that “behavioralism” is just lookism with a bow on it. Women are attracted to charming men, yet attractive men are rated as more charming. Women want a spark, but attractive men generate more spark on average. Women want a man with social skills, but attractive men are rated as more social. At some point you can just predict someone’s dating performance on all these “behavioral” metrics by knowing their physical appearance. The above isn’t a “duh” at all but it’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:17 PM
1

Can you elaborate? The rule-break is “no incel/blackpill” so it’s tautological to say they break that rule in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:10 PM
2

I didn’t say it never works. You said it never works. Also who is “you all”? You’re talking to me, not the basement dweller boogeyman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:09 PM
2

Well looks like we’re going to beat this horse to death again. OLD is the primary way young singles meet in cities. No one uses tinder, they use Hinge, Bumble, the League, and Raya. Yes you being married to a guy you met 20 years ago makes your experience basically irrelevant for a modern dater. Case in point, you just recommend everyone stop using OLD even though most couples come from OLD. And finally you throw in some personal attacks about me whining and over analyzing. Not sure how that’s h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:50 PM
1

Unless you are single you don’t have a good sense for what it’s like to swipe on a thousand people and go on 2-3 online dates a week. That’s the reality for most modern women daters. So no, your second-hand info isn’t that accurate. Neither is your single experience that one year before you lost your virginity and married your college sweetheart or whatever. We can discuss the effect size. “Willing to tolerate” is different from “entirely different set of rules.” There is evidence that with enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 05:28 PM
2

Don’t get me started on the heteroskedasticity of women’s ratings of men’s looks…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 05:19 PM
4

PSA to all the ladies and to Lift-and-Lurk: Just because a guy on PPD uses analytical language to discuss dating doesn’t mean he’s an autist or uses manosphere lingo in real life. Analytical language on PPD is intended to cover nuanced and complex topics as efficiently as possible. “Chad doesn’t need to BB to get post-wall Stacy” conveys a message that would take paragraphs to explain to a layperson.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 04:48 PM
1

Not sure but the word “cope” gets a moderation every time (I think this thread was spared cus it’s a meta discussion)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 04:43 PM
1

I’m speaking to you in an Internet forum. Do you think I speak like this to the women I mean in real life and have romantic relationships with? Don’t be daft. My contention is that all these “vets” go out the window when the guy is hot. The married/virgin PPD women assert this is not true but they’re not even in the dating scene so the jury is out. That’s a discussion worth having and is not at all “common sense”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 04:39 PM
1

I take a shower after lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:26 PM
1

Do you have a sense for what % of blackpillers are like me (date and get laid) versus how many are basement dwellers?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:14 PM
2

I guess you covered yourself under “vast majority” but I am at the right tail of height, income, and body count, and I’m a blackpiller (also I’m a guy, don’t let the user name fool you)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:13 PM
1

There’s a valid debate about the extent to which looks let you circumvent women’s dating strategy. For example, in the vetting thread, how many of those vets go out the window if the guy is good-looking enough? If the answer is “a lot,” then a guy might be better off working on his looks than getting an outdoor hobby, or learning to cook, or whatever other vets were in there. In a sense that’s the heart of the blackpill rebuttal to Bluepill/redpill. That wasn’t covered in your list of common sen…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:11 PM
2

I’ve had almost 100 partners, dated a model this year, and I am a blackpiller by the standards of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:04 PM
2

I understand that incel content is banned (if you’re not 6ft Chad, it’s over, cope cope). However is blackpill content also banned (looks are 80% of the equation, work on your looks, looks looks looks)? Do the mods distinguish between the two?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 01:36 PM
2

Seems I am younger than you, I’m just entering my 30s and it gets significantly easier with 30+ WW and AW. My theory why: there’s not enough WM left to marry so they’re trading down in race so as to get married, and I tick all the other boxes in terms of education, income, etc. Would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:03 PM
2

Yes because my physical limitations are obvious and have high impact: I am severely balding and started losing hair at 19, I am not only a minority but have genetic skin discoloration so severe I got prescribed strong skincare products (it’s getting better), and I am otherwise average-looking. My #1 physical advantage is height, I’m 6’2”. My male friends and I swap each other’s OLD profiles and it’s obviously to us that I get significantly fewer matches, there’s no controversy at this point. All…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:12 PM
3

I’m also a BM (was 6+ referring to your height?). Yes being a BM is more polarizing, there are more instant rejections and more freebies, but at a population level BM does worse than WM. There is actually new evidence that BM does worse than AM (a 2021 book called “the Dating Divide” has some proprietary data from a dating app). I care more about population level than about polarization since once you get the hang of it, being able to spot women with interest isn’t the limiting factor, meeting e…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:02 PM
21

Accurate but dark use of untermensch ☹️
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 06:01 PM
12

Raising an upper-middle class kid is extremely expensive so you have fewer. The cost of childcare, private school, and college has grown faster than the salary of a typical lawyer or doctor. Only asset owners (biz people, homeowners, etc) have seen a faster increase. Hence the upper-middle folks have fewer kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 06:00 PM
18

You don’t owe an explanation, but most women on this sub omit their race preference even though it is completely binding. Part of it is that race convos will get you banned so I get it. But yes there’s a lot of dog whistling (“I love green eyes”)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 05:58 PM
23

This is completely untrue, every study done on the topic shows that white men are the most desirable men and it’s not close. I don’t know where you get your information.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 05:57 PM
12

If I recall the study, they took engagement rates from a dating site where you had to provide your income range. Then they drew a regression line and the table above is basically the output of the regression. I’m going off of memory though. Similar studies have been doing with race and income.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 05:56 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

© TheRedArchive 2026. All rights reserved.
created by /u/dream-hunter