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TRP says not to get married, but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 02:36 AM
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Well, fine. Most of the bitter stuff said about women is value judgements made by other men. I don't need to agree with it to know that the knowledge contained therein is solid. But all that said, I love animals, I wouldn't ask them to do my taxes. If I did think that women were functionally retarded, I could still love them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 02:07 AM
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You misread the sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 07:36 PM
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Behaviour follows from desires. AWALT predicts desires. Ergo, behaviour is positively correlated. There's no point debating it, I agree, but that's because it's a waste of time. Assuming AWALT works. How, then, do you best use it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 01:51 PM
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Indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 01:22 PM
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AWALT doesn't perfectly predict behaviour, it predicts desires. Women want to be with people who are better than they are. Women want the best available man. Does that mean that they will cheat? Or that they will leave their underperforming husband? No. But they'll want to, even if only momentarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 01:00 PM
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I don't grant your premises.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 09:56 AM
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If his game is so shitty, why are you still paying attention to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 09:51 AM
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Because it's better to be safe than sorry. Don't let yourself go. Don't get unattractive. Maintain your hobbies and your friends and your drive and your spirit. Because AWALT. Maybe this one isn't. But if that's so, doesn't she deserve you at your best? Assuming AWALT gets you better results no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 04:51 AM
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If only the guys wanting to fuck you were attractive, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 04:35 AM
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No, because that's what I've observed. Attractive suitor? No fear of loss of either relationship or social standing? Casual sex happens. Women want to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 04:34 AM
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All the ones that can get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 09:27 AM
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I don't have to be having it with you, but I do need to be having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 07:34 AM
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Oh for fuck's sake. "Sexual strategy is amoral" means that planning is amoral. It's like marksmanship. You can talk about accuracy, wind, distance, the curvature of the earth, velocity, and so on and so forth, and that discussion is entirely orthogonal to morality. What you do with that knowledge is moral or immoral, but the knowledge itself is void of moral consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 06:09 AM
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Consentual non consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 11:41 PM
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They're realistic or unrealistic to the degree to which they are likely to be exceeded. An unemployed midget with one leg and leprosy who only wants to date swedish bikini models? Yeah, that's unrealistic, because it's almost certainly not happening. He's still allowed to have that standard. He just shouldn't be surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 04:32 PM
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The people involved. We all make our own judgements on what we want and need.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 04:23 PM
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It could say a lot of things. Perhaps he has a fetish. Perhaps she's improved herself as a person and become a fantastic cook. Who knows? The fact is that if a guy who knows that he has other options has committed to this hagbeast, it's for what he believes is a good reason. I choose to trust the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 04:22 PM
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Active dread, passive dread, it doesn't matter. Any action intended to promoted jealousy is immoral. You've basically already conceded that it's immoral and that you don't care. Right, but I'm just trying to drill down into the nature of morality now. Is doing something which causes jealousy only immoral if I intended to cause jealousy? you could simply avoid making any commitments. Way ahead of you. But does that not also harm women? Am I not leading them on? There's a thread I've been meaning …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 04:18 PM
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The average woman wants the freedom to ride cock in their youth with men they have no intention of committing with, and settling down when they're older and got bored of party world. If we're going with the assumption that TRP is correct about the cock carousel, it's not that she wants to have casual sex with as many men as possible and wants to settle down later, it's that she wants to have sex with the highest value men available but they won't commit. So she has casual sex instead. Later on, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 04:14 PM
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Using it or encouraging it's use is bad. I encourage passive dread. I don't tend to use active dread. Simply existing in a state of "people want me" isn't active dread. Do you have any hard evidence for this assertion? Experience. Any time I escalate commitment, sex drops. Go exclusive? Less sex. Move in together? Less sex. I admit to not having gotten married or having had a child, but I see no reason to think the trend won't follow. You know what? I don't really care if it's immoral. I care if…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 04:10 PM
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But dread game is designed to actually be used on people. Marksmenship is a skill that can be applied to other pursuits, such as hunting or competitive shooting. Or you can use it to understand when people are using it on you. Do you believe that jealousy is the only way to achieve attraction? No. I do believe that it's the only way to increase a woman's sex drive beyond her "natural" levels. If a woman believes that she is my only outlet for sex, her sex drive drops to nothing. You know what? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 04:01 PM
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But the concept of dread game is inherently shady. No more than the concept of marksmanship is amoral despite you being able to use it to kill people. These things are not immoral because they are not making her jealous, nor do they involve deceit. They lead to my getting positive female attention, ergo they make her jealous. I do them because they get me positive female attention, ergo they involve deceit. Ergo they are immoral. These things are immoral, because they are designed to make her je…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 03:45 PM
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do you think she would be happy? Do you think that she'd be happy if I told her my entire sordid sexual history? So not only are you inducing fear, but you're also intentionally deceiving her. I'm not deceiving her so much as I'm simply withholding information. Unless you're happy to say that women who don't tell their partners their N count are being deceptive? I'm sorry, but morally, you're not on good ground. Just admit that dread game is pretty shady. Dread can be used in shady ways, yes. Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 03:28 PM
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Eh, I'll cede the fear point, with the caveat that it's very mild. It's not frightening, it's simply a mix of emotions. You're using fear to increase interest. No, I'm using jealousy to increase her interest. Fear, alone? You might as well say that I'm threatening to harm her in order to artificially inflate her need for me. When she no longer thinks that I have any other options for sex, her desire to have sex drops below the amount of sex that I want to have. Therefore I do not refrain from do…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 03:09 PM
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a) Dread does not induce fear except in very insecure women (who I would argue don't need it anyway; simply being attractive is more than enough to keep their attention). It's simply about making the other party aware that you don't need them, you are choosing them. b) How is it artificially inflated? If I have women interested in me, it is a real thing that I have options. Well executed dread is subtle as hell. Contrast "YO GIRL THAT HAIRDRESSER WAS GRABBING FOR MY DICK" with "Hey, have you had…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 02:55 PM
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Dread game specifically reduces an individuals ability to make choices. Nope. Doing so makes them fear losing you, which chips away at their agency. Having an emotional attachment to one action over another doesn't remove the agency of the chooser. This is bunkum.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 02:27 PM
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That's not a definition for the word "agency", but close.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 01:52 PM
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Then can you define it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 01:27 PM
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You are defining agency in such a way that any time I do not compromise my desires for another person, I am violating their agency. Can you not see how ludicrous this sounds?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 01:16 PM
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Is it not better to have a wide support network than to get all of your needs met by one person? Even if you aren't RP, it seems to me to be a good idea to diversify your sources of emotional support.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 08:50 AM
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Past thirty, no intent of settling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 08:21 AM
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Specifically in this instance, "setting unrealistic standards" refers to setting standards that literally cannot be met while already in some type of relationship, whether it be plate-plate, husband-wife, or boyfriend-girlfriend. I don't understand. But you give them an opportunity to change, no? Let's say you're in a plate relationship and your plate asks you if you want to make it exclusive. You respond by implying that you are not going to make the relationship exclusive unless these conditio…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 04:42 PM
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Captain/first-mate model. One person ultimately has the final say. That's an unfair power dynamic. Literally every relationship I have ever been exposed to in my life has a leader and a follower. Perhaps not in explicit terms, but one partner is setting the course.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 04:29 PM
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Setting unrealistic standards So all women are abusive? You can make the case that negging falls in this under 8, but TRP doesn't tell you to try and mold women into the person that you want them to be and to punish them if they fail to meet the standard. TRP tells you to move on, rather than waste time trying to fix people. To misquote Rippetoe, if you're trying to change your partner, you're not following the program.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 04:27 PM
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Are you fucking kidding me? Terminating a relationship is not abuse. Cultivating female attention is not abuse. Maintaining and increasing your attractiveness is not abuse. Looking out for your own welfare first and foremost is not abuse. Being someone who women want to fuck is not abuse. Your relationship with this women has defined her. Without it she has nothing left. Then perhaps she should have spent some amount of time in her life not defining herself by the cocks that have been inside her…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 03:45 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 02:28 PM
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Probably that men aren't afraid of not being seen as nurturing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 01:28 PM
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Depends what you mean by sock puppets. What would best align with the actions of a guy who doesn't give two fucks what you think of his opinions?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 01:19 PM
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Sjw started life as a pejorative, but sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 08:55 AM
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I'm happy with 8 of 9, but that's down to me not enjoying blowjobs. I'm not a unicorn hunter, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 08:45 AM
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Triggers are a valid concept that has been swamped by people using it to hide things they don't like rather than things which trigger their PTSD.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 08:12 AM
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Not unconditional, idealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 07:17 AM
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Much of that last paragraph is true, or should be considered to be true for your own sanity. Women have sex drives. Women want to fuck. But they want to fuck people that they find attractive, and the people that they find attractive are the people who are better than they are. There is a difference between sharing emotional experiences with a woman and going to her for emotional comfort. One is bonding, the other is you being weaker than her. If you are consistently weaker than her, she will not…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 07:00 AM
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Step 1: Don't send this letter. Send her a quick reply telling her that you're not punishing her, "don't be silly." Stop initiating sex. Continue to keep your distance. Be civil. Be nice. Be brief. When you interact with your wife, be husbandly. Step 2: Cultivate female attention. Try out hobbies where fit young things tend to congregate. Become busy. You no longer keep your distance from your wife, you simply have too much on your plate to pay too much attention to her. The end goal is to reign…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 02:17 PM
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First, as someone who is very unemotional, I resent the implication that I am not human. Or I would if it were possible for me to give a fuck. Second, TRP is a set of strategies for maximising success in various arenas, but mostly with women. Nothing in TRP says that you can't see a therapist or have friends that you talk about your shit with. If you spend more than five seconds in the main sub you'll nearly constantly see people recommending you take up yoga, meditation, and mindfulness. Some g…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 02:03 PM
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How was I supposed to get any of that from a video which doesn't even purport to be about TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:27 PM
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You're gonna have to break it down for me. Why, as someone who wasn't abused as a child, should I consider TRP toxic to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:19 PM
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Did you even read my post? I'm not saying that women can't provide emotional support to anyone. I am saying that women don't want to do that for the people that they fuck. Occasionally? Sure. But they want to be your lover, not your mother. They want you to be stronger than they are. If you just want to be friends with women, then do what you want. If you want to have sex with them, then find succor elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 08:02 AM
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If women want to be breadwinners, why don't they marry down?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 11:53 PM
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Whatever you say, sweetheart.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 11:17 PM
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Affection is not the same thing as attraction. Women are obviously capable of providing emotional comfort, but to seek it from them on a consistent is a bad idea if you want to fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 11:11 PM
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and men just want sex not emotional comfort in TRPer's minds. Nope. TRP acknowledges that men have emotions and want emotional comfort. If it didn't, why would it advise you not to seek it from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 10:43 AM
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Beyond that, men are more likely to die in war, but feminists are the ones fighting to change that by advocating for women in combat roles. Women in combat roles in any statistically significant amount will increase the number of people that die.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 10:24 AM
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The difference is that if I am plating a woman, I want her to enjoy herself. You seem awfully afraid of being thought to be gay, though. Want to talk about anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 09:17 AM
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ONS no, plate yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 01:43 AM
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Are you being rhetorical or are you actually asking me?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 03:19 PM
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If I was interested in having kids, I would look for a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 02:55 PM
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You have two husbands and you're in intensive care. They disagree on which treatment you should have. Who gets to decide?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 02:52 PM
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In your opinion, what are women interested in? People, mostly. This manifests in a few different ways: Gossip about people at work, TV fandom, celebrity worship, etc etc. I'm not a people person. I'm interested in systems. Find me the girl who wants to build a remote controlled MAKO and I will happily talk to her, but that woman is one in a million.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 01:41 PM
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Aren't you suppose to be innocent until proven guilty under the us law ? You are presumed to be innocent. . The basic assumption is that you didn't do the thing, and the prosecution must show that you did. If you are acquitted, it doesn't mean that you are proven to be innocent. You are simply found to not be guilty of the charges. The court doesn't say that you didn't do thing, just that the prosecution was unable to show that you DID do thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 12:25 PM
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Again, the law is gender neutral. How it's applied is something else. There's no provision in the law for when an attacker is male and when an attacker is female; the judge decides that women are less of a risk to reoffend because reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 09:53 AM
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That they validate the idea that men and women are different, but not much beyond that. I don't kill them, they don't kill me, we get on fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 09:51 AM
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People are not born to please your genitals. That really depends on what you consider to be the purpose of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 09:48 AM
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Divorce settlement. Men who earns more than his wife, risk losing half of the marital asset (mostly contributed by him) to the wife. This is only in favour of women because women don't tend to marry down wrt finances. The law is gender neutral. Child custody. Women often get the kids unless it's proven that she's unfit. Women are often the primary caregiver. Alimony. The chief provider (often men) has to provide financial support to his/her spouse after separation or divorce. See previous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 09:43 AM
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But for the average joe, I honestly think that improving your confidence, game and to some extent your appearance is more important. Yeah, no shit. Money makes you more attractive, but it's a third order concern behind personality and physical looks. Seems like a nice strawman you have set up, be a shame if anybody knocked it down...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 09:39 AM
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No, meant what I said. Dread caught on specifically because it causes a visceral reaction in the PC brigade. The manosphere doesn't care to be nice, and it doesn't care to give those not in it veto power over its concepts. If you can't handle a few vulgar names, you won't be able to handle the actually useful stuff anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 08:33 AM
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To make TRP slightly more anathema to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 10:43 PM
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tl;dr what is the friend zone but men giving away commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 06:55 PM
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I have a very strong desire to have vaginas on my face, otherwise i would embrace the gay lifestyle, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 05:17 PM
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I didn't get it. It's very in-jokey, yes. How do these NEET people pay for internet access? Parent's basement. Where do hikkis poop? Poopjugs. Or they occasionally go to the bathroom, IDK. Hikkimoris are really more about only feeling safe in a very small area, it's a weird Japanese version of agoraphobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 05:03 PM
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They don't have to be interesting. They just have to be different. I legitimately don't understand what you mean here. This is your new job. I quit. I did my time in retail.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:58 PM
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wizardchan forum for foreveralone kissless virgins NEET Not in Education, Employment, or Training. someone who fucks around on the internet all day, basically. hikki a NEET who doesn't leave their room.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:57 PM
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You persist in thinking that women are as interesting as men to men. I'm sorry, but take the opportunity for sex out of the equation, and the vast majority of women aren't worth interacting with. Or maybe that's just me, and I'm simply not interested in the same things that women are interested in. Which is fine. I would still legitimately not want to exist any more if I was forced to be in a room with a bunch of women who I couldn't hit on and had to maintain basic politeness to for six fucking…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:53 PM
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Red Pillers say that women can easily find a relationship. Eh, yes and no. Women can easily find sex, but men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Male FA conflate sex with relationships because they're desperate for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:50 PM
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My mother is a delightful person. A random selection of women would have enough basic bitches to have me trying to eat my gun before the week was out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:48 PM
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Nobody fatshames as much as a former fat guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:47 PM
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I had dinner with her yesterday. I'll pass on your regards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:45 PM
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#notallwomen The point of AWALT is that if you assume AWALT, you will have better results than if you assume NAWALT. We know it's a generalisation. And I think many people who seek out RP would get better results with other strategies. Like?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:36 PM
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Sound recipe for mass suicide, I like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:33 PM
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You realise that the term gained traction because the of the visual metaphor, right? Nothing about spinning plates implies that you're treating women badly; you're just dating more than one person at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:31 PM
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I can never find that study about women judging male attractiveness that has a massive jump in how attractive men are perceived to be when they're labeled as already in a relationship when I need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 04:01 PM
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Holding frame --> making someone feel insecure about revealing their feelings to you, therefore shutting up in the future. How is maintaining your composure manipulating others? No, really. I want to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 07:56 PM
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All those are called manipulation. a) Spinning plates is just maintaining multiple casual sex partners. b) Holding frame means that you maintain a specific outlook in an interaction. c) Dread game is (at its most basic) showing that you have options. This makes you more attractive. It can be done in a manipulative way, but working with other women is dread game, and I wouldn't call that manipulation. d) Eh, I'll give you negging, but it's not tricking. You're not defrauding anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 07:32 PM
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How is spinning plates tricking people? How is holding frame tricking people? How is dread game tricking people? How is negging tricking people?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 07:25 PM
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I couldn't give less fucks about a man coming to me for advice on how to trick women to have sex with them. I don't understand how working on being more attractive means that you're trying to trick people into having sex with you, but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 06:18 PM
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They deny the value of looks and height False. They tell people in high school and college to do engineering and focus on school when all the real 'alphas' are majoring in business and partying. Eh, you're half-right. TRP advises you to improve yourself as much as you're able, and STEM is a good way to do that with regard to your income, but any major which has high income potential is a good one to pick. You're not supposed to avoid partying; just avoid damaging your grades. Get out there, meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 06:02 PM
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By institutionalizing the 80/20 rule. As it is now, young men who are dateless still think that they might be able to get laid if they work hard enough. If you legalize polygamy, suddenly we'll see the top segment of society take all the attractive women (which isn't to say that they aren't already doing that, it'll just be official), the bottom segment of society will lose all hope, and they'll start wrecking shit. To be fair, until Islam takes hold in the US, this probably won't be an issue. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:55 PM
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Do you want an American ISIS? Because this is how you get ISIS.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:14 PM
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mid thirties, college graduate, anarcho-capitalist, have no particular views on feminism beyond that it's largely correct about non-white cis males having to prove that they're capable at any given task beyond what WCMs have to do, but that this isn't something that government should address or is even capable of addressing anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 02:46 PM
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Divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 02:22 PM
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Please take your sage wisdom to /r/deadbedrooms, I'll bring popcorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 02:02 PM
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Assuming this guy's not a troll, it was probably something like, "Maybe you should focus less on sex right now and talk with your wife about her feels, which are ultimately the root cause of you not having sex in the first place." How do you negotiate attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 01:44 PM
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I don't take it seriously, I just use it to gauge what women think they want. And also to see what they tell men. I was actually going to make this very thread, but OP beat me to the punch.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 01:42 PM
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Well, first of all, I'm not the first guy you replied to. Second: You're less likely to just based on the numbers. True. But the odds are that any random woman that I'm attracted to likely isn't attracted to me anyway, so the numbers are what they are and I can't change that. I can only change my approach. And yes, Tinder and suchlike exist. Meeting someone with similar interests and cultivating an actual relationship is a much more effective strategy. Not in my experience. But I don't want anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 01:40 PM
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they get mad at men who "hit on me when I'm at the gym" This is reasonable, though. Nobody's at the gym to meet people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:58 AM
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Generalizations, while sometimes innacurate, can make your life infinitely easier. Let's start with the generalization that women aren't all that into casual sex. Let's just put that out there. I'm not seeing your motivation here. Given that it's not really possible to discern whether someone likes casual sex from their reading habits, why not assume that they do instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:56 AM
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I've read askwomen threads where people explicitly say that they only date people that they were friends with first.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:53 AM
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TRP tells people to "fake it until they make it". Which really means "fake it until you become really good at faking it, what's the difference"? False. Confidence derives from repeated successful interactions. Faking confidence allows you to have repeated successful interactions. Faking it until you make it doesn't mean that you're really good at faking it, it means that your confidence is no longer fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:50 AM
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The stuff I agree with in TRP is really obvious shit that could easily be found elsewhere--be confident, respect yourself, take care of yourself. I have never seen advice outside of the manosphere on how to actually achieve confidence. Like, an actual plan on how to get there. Elsewhere it all reads like "Accept Jesus into your heart." Yes, but how do you do that? What's the first step? "Just do it, just accept Jesus." But how?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 08:34 PM
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Can you elaborate slightly on what you mean by "women being more desirable than men"? Most RPers likely don't have a problem with men making more money than women because the pay gap is mostly based on life choices and narrows to roughly 5% once you narrow down to people who have the same job and work the same hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 04:54 PM
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By "male wealth advantage", do you mean that wealthier men do better than poorer men all else being equal, and by "physical desirability advantage", do you mean that hotter women do better than uglier women all else being equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 04:45 PM
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I've read research which says that it's the case, but I can't remember where I read it. Feel free to ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 04:00 PM
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I don't really believe that having a better body or face make nearly as much difference as being very insightful and a people person. How do you account for most couples falling within the same general range of attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 03:45 PM
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You lose all desire to reproduce Already there bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 02:28 PM
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If partner count doesn't matter, why not have it out in the open? If it's something which has to be hidden, seems like it matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 02:25 PM
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a jilted ex He dumped her, yo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 02:24 PM
2

Shit, out of curiosity, what's your prospective job?
/r/askTRP21/04/15 05:01 PM
1

Clicked through to say. Get a fucking dog.
/r/askTRP21/04/15 04:59 PM
1

You should read up on preselection. The existence of children from a previous relationship signals that a man was found attractive enough to procreate with, which makes him more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 08:42 AM
14

Because feminism is a political movement with goals that they're trying to achieve, whereas TRP is not a political movement and doesn't have collective goals. If TRP is not a hate group then why don't they admit their extremist elements and do something about them? Why bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 05:32 AM
5

The way you guys use cuckold shames actual cuckold participants. Part of the fetish is the shame, so seems like they're making out okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 05:31 AM
9

Please note, in that oft-cited link you posted the women SAID most men were not attractive but still went out with them Free meals, yo.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 05:29 AM
1

This is funny for a number of reasons that I'll get to later. Just letting you know that you're not being ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 10:39 AM
4

Why leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 06:38 AM
5

Women don't understand the idea of having to spend time looking for sex because they have never lived in a world that hasn't constantly thrown invitations to fuck in their face. If I have enough friends already, you aren't going to make the cut. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 06:10 AM
4

It depends how hot she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 05:28 AM
1

If that was the case, why would TRP be so attractive to so many men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 04:14 AM
0

When there are no winners, everyone's a winner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 11:42 PM
2

Compared to the women who don't find their husbands at all attractive? The difference is one of both scale and degree. E:reread the last five posts in this chain, I've already said everything that you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 11:26 PM
2

Less attractive, but still attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 06:04 PM
2

What does this say about TRP, which is all about being alpha and not beta? Read up on marriage game.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 05:28 PM
1

Eh, you're right, I'm being unfair. She might just leave you without cheating on you first.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 04:25 PM
2

It's human nature, not female nature. But it's most relevant to feeeemales because of the differing sexual strategies that they employ. A beta is by definition not sexually attractive; the feeeemale is not with him because of any sexual attraction, but because of the provider ability that he brings to the table. On the other hand, the very first thing that men look for is sexual attraction. If that doesn't exist, the relationship never happens. You may stay with someone that you don't find as se…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 04:24 PM
1

What has to do with signing a contract with the state? Getting married. The OC said having children without getting married. Uh, no, they asked why men who want to have kids should get married, and I suggested that there were legal benefits. The thread was explicitly about getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 04:15 PM
4

Take me for example - i make ~half what my wife does. Then you were smart to get married. Assuming this continues, you're in prime position to divorce-assault in a few years when she gets tired of having to be the leader in the relationship and cheats on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 04:14 PM
1

What emotional fulfillment is there to be gained by signing a contract with the state?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 04:10 PM
1

The problem is that you're generalizing from the specific to the whole. Not doing that generally won't get you in the shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 04:08 PM
2

That poster does not agree with the premise. A defing characteristic of "alphas" is that they're good for sex while "betas" are only good for commitment. Why wouldn't you apply the same dynamic to women? Some women ("alphas") are ideal sexual partners while others ("betas") are better for commitment. Because it's not about commitment. Men who are attractive for their beta qualities are good providers. They're good husbands. They aren't good lovers. Whereas if a woman does not satisfy you sexuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 04:06 PM
1

Without knowing why you want to be in a relationship at all I really can't say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 03:46 PM
2

"Why, I bet those grapes are sour."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 03:42 PM
6

This philosophy assumes that once you lock down Mr. Right (when you're a hot 22 year old) you're set for life. Nope. It assumes that you're set for life if you continue to woo your husband. If you ignore him in favor of the kids and he can get laid elsewhere, he will.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 03:40 PM
2

I sincerely hope you're trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 03:36 PM
10

You're doing it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 03:09 PM
8

Your statement (that men are equally likely to be alpha widows) makes no sense given a good faith understanding of the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 02:32 PM
16

For the same reason that I think that people who ask "if we evolved from monkeys, why do monkeys still exist" don't understand evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 02:18 PM
0

Is this that male privilege I've been hearing about? Do I put it into action with the power of my mind, or is there some kind of button I need to press?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 02:12 PM
2

There's a seventy reply thread on the front page which perfectly encapsulates my thought process in the title. Something something don't care, something something not interested in the inner workings of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 02:04 PM
11

a) Are more likely to be 'alpha widows' I feel like you don't understand the concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 01:41 PM
3

That's not a real answer and you know it. Why is it a good idea for men to get married?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 10:55 AM
0

I assume that there are tax incentives that married couples get which non-married couples don't. I could be wrong, I've never looked into it much.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 10:54 AM
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The idea that women don't care if you're a virgin (past, say, 20) is fucking ludicrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 09:30 AM
6

It doesn't matter if it's negative for men, because I am not trying to fuck them. Bisexual and gay men probably care. I don't. It's irrelevant. Would you go into a discussion on women's issues and say "hey, that affects men too! Why aren't we talking about men?!"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 09:17 AM
5

What part of "I don't care if men do it because I don't want to fuck them" is too difficult to comprehend?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 06:51 AM
2

They think about the way they're phrasing the idea, not the idea itself. But okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 02:53 AM
2

While the ability of men to be providers is factored into their attractiveness, it isn't the be all and end all. But by the same token, men don't care about whether or not women have a job. They care about whether or not she respects what he brings to the household: whether she wastes his money or not, but as a rule, female earning potential is irrelevant to how attractive men find women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 02:50 AM
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You claimed that specific advice was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 02:20 AM
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Clothing, hairstyle, facial hair, behaviour, it all comes under the same heading. At best, boys will be instructed in ways to approach women; they aren't taught how to be someone who gets approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 01:48 AM
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If you weren't claiming to know, then you wouldn't be sure that I was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 01:43 AM
2

You might have, I don't know... tried having confidence in yourself from the vantage point that half of the population isn't terrible and out to get you? This would seem less condescendingly full of shit if it actually gave a plan for becoming confident rather than just saying to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 07:34 PM
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I'm not making any claims about women. If you disagree with my claims, then you are claiming the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 07:28 PM
0

So you can't prove that women are rational and attractive post-wall women are emotionally adults? Awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 07:20 PM
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Feel free to run the experiment yourself. I have no interest in creating the control group.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 06:58 PM
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It's not true They're both true. Or, rather, behaving as though both are true leads to success more than assuming the opposite. So you can take your "it's shitty" and shove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 06:49 PM
0

I'm talking about the "women are teenagers" and "women are not logical" stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 06:37 PM
2

Nothing about someone who has been implicated as the father being allowed to run a paternity test implies anything about any other party being able to run any other kind of test.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 06:05 PM
2

It's not part of your body once it's been extracted. and in the UK at least other people have no rights to parts of your body whether they are married to you or not. That's descriptive, not normative. We aren't talking about what is, we are talking about what should be. Why should she be able to stop him from running the test?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 05:57 PM
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Most men don't understand what makes a man attractive because they've been socialised to not be concerned with the concept. This is why you see grown men wearing ass-ugly outfits.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 05:55 PM
2

You're cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 04:58 PM
3

Some of us weren't born into the lap of luxury, sweetie.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 04:50 PM
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Same exercise, I suppose. How do you reframe "Women do not fall in lust in ways which make logical sense given what they verbalise as desiring" in an optimistic manner? Likewise "Attractive pre-wall women are emotionally equivalent to teenagers"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 04:48 PM
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Okay. I'm not sure how you phrase things like "Women want you to make decisions for them" or "Women want to be dominated in the bedroom" or "If you are not dominant in the relationship odds are your woman will find someone who will be, regardless of whether she leaves you or not" in an optimistic way, but I'm sure I simply haven't been paying attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 04:34 PM
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You can put lipstick on a pig. And you can cover it in blood. The TRP intro specific talks about how you shouldn't be concerned with the PC police. I'm not. I just argue whatever I'm arguing to practice thinking on my feet. The fact that TRP does portray women this way is bad. That's certainly an opinion. Not one that I see any rational basis for, but nevertheless an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 04:21 PM
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Why the fuck should a "father" who has doubts have to wait months to be able to find out whether or not the sprog's actually his? If we were talking about extra blood being drawn, that would be one thing what with bodily autonomy and all, but once it's out there is no good reason not to allow him to test for paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 03:55 PM
1

It depends who you're listening to. TRP portrays women as people who want to be led, who want to be taken on a wild emotional journey. It portrays them as people who respond well to being treated like children in conversation, who want to be able to rage and vent against an emotional rock. It portrays them as fickle. It portrays them as shunning the responsibility of decision and being attracted to those who they trust to make decisions for them. It portrays them as being submissive, attracted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 03:52 PM
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I don't think that they "can't help it", I think that they don't want to help it. Everyone wants to be a winner. Everyone wants the best life that they can get. Everyone is primarily concerned with themselves. I'm not putting myself outside of that box, either. I'm the only one who really cares about me. You're the only one who really cares about you. Let's work together where our goals coincide and separate where they don't and we'll all be happier rather than acting like people should band tog…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 03:25 PM
0

I don't loathe or hate anybody. I just recognize that everyone's in it for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 03:11 PM
1

To their children? Yes, absolutely. To their men? (Because we're talking about women who are, at the very least, bisexual) Yes, with the caveat that this only remains true as long as their man is the best available man. Your woman will be loyal to you for exactly as long as you make her feel feelings. You stop stimulating her emotions, she starts looking elsewhere. What's unreasonable about this as a model for relationships? I wouldn't stay at a job that stopped paying me. Why should I expect so…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 03:06 PM
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Thinking that women are not all sunshine and rainbows and are, in fact, shitty self-centered people like men are doesn't mean that I loathe or hate women. I think that men are like that, does it mean that I loathe or hate men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 02:49 PM
3

That's not the stunning rebuttal that you think it is. There has been more ink spilled on how to manipulate your potential consumer base into buying your product than few other disciplines. "Convincing" is manipulation by a more palatable name.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 02:40 PM
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You're an idiot. Game isn't about manipulating women into having sex, game is about manipulating women into thinking that you are someone who is high value enough to want to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 01:05 PM
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Not if you can do it in a way which implies that you aren't ashamed of your past. If you're acting like a guy who's sorry that he can't provide things, then it's a bad idea. If you're a guy who enjoys things that are fun that can be had for next to nothing and you make her feel all kinds of shit, she'll lust for you no matter how little you make.
/r/askTRP17/04/15 10:39 AM
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Either look up the directions on the net, or get directions from her and take her there. By physically lead her, I mean that you're doing bringing her with you like a dog on a leash. It doesn't matter who knows the way as long as you're the one in charge.
/r/askTRP17/04/15 10:22 AM
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Social networks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 09:19 AM
3

"i dont mind and i dont care" This is bad because it's telling her to make the decision. Never do this. If she makes a suggestion, listen to it and take heed, but don't put the responsibility for making the decision on her. Slightly more specifically, if you need cheap, go get street food and take her for a walk to explore around town. She cares more about the emotions that you make her feel than the quality of the food. how do you take the lead when you dont know the route/local area? Tell her …
/r/askTRP17/04/15 09:15 AM
1

That's certainly one way to burn money.
/r/askTRP17/04/15 08:42 AM
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Use it to pay for an education unless you already have one, pay off personal debt, or as said, invest it in an index fund and don't touch it unless you're buying property.
/r/askTRP17/04/15 08:42 AM
2

and every woman needs to do whatever the female equivalent is. It's lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:33 AM
2

Stoicism doesn't mean that you're a robot, it means that you're in control of your emotions. It's fine to be emotionally exuberant; it's not okay to let those emotions get out of control, and it's definitely not okay to lose control of negative emotions around women that you have an interest in, due to the negative effects it has on any potential to sleep with them. When you say aggressiveness(physical), do you mean during sex? Because dom girls are smaller minority than lesbians. If you act und…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:29 AM
1

The only reason I suggest the talk is as damage control for HR. Literally any woman who doesn't work with him? Tell her it's over and hang up.
/r/askTRP17/04/15 07:19 AM
1

fyi: maybe 3% of women are into being dominant during sex. the rest want to be dominated. it's a much more even split for men.
/r/askTRP17/04/15 07:18 AM
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It would be. But then one side sends in a few men, and they clean house. So the other side sends some men. So the other side ups their intake of men. So the other side does too. And pretty soon it's just men on the front line.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:16 AM
3

Go see a doctor. Being stoic doesn't mean letting your shit get out of control. Depression ain't nothin' to fuck with.
/r/askTRP16/04/15 10:27 PM
2

If you don't have time for more or you can't convince yourself to do more, then yeah, you can get by on 3 sessions a week, but there's no physical reason no to go 6 times a week as long as you're not working any given muscle group more than once every three days. I've been working on a PPL split that has one rest day a week and besides some problems with form at the beginning I've not had an injury yet.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 09:52 PM
2

I kind of want some examples of what you mean by hypermasculine stuff just so that I know that we're on the same page. You mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 09:32 PM
2

I was saying as a group, it's a strategy for change. Lemme refer you back a few posts: TRP is not about the collective. It's about the individual working for a better life for themselves. In the short term I'm advocating for simply ignoring gender roles and trying to be a better person over all (increasing your SMV). TRP already tells you to be the best version of yourself. I feel like you haven't read the material.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 08:28 PM
5

according to the lack of evidence supporting it. Evidence? No thank you. I'll trust my instincts, which are, of course, millions of years old. emotional instability correlates to higher mortality, lower happiness, amount many other things. Happiness is self reported. The man who never knows unbelievable highs can't know that he's not truly happy. ambiverts have an advantage on extroverts and introverts in a study on sales ability. Thank fuck I don't want to work in sales, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 05:57 PM
2

I find guys who act overly bro-y very unappealing, personally. That's a pretty shallow understanding of masculinity, but okay. But the bigger issue is that a lot of the guys who come to TRP are not immediately physically appealing in a masculine sense. TRP asks them to adopt a hypermasculine mindset and a dominant role in all personal interactions while working on their appearance. I find this approach to be somewhat comical. Some scrawny dudes have tried to "dominate" me and it ends up getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 05:39 PM
5

it's not valid According to what? weaknesses Who says that being an emotionally unstable extrovert is a weakness? I'm an incredibly emotionally stable introvert (read: clinically depressed for his entire life), incidentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 05:24 PM
2

I'm saying that you don't need to have the hypermasculine stuff in TRP to make it work. In a few very rare cases you will find someone who is more attracted to you the less masculine you are as a man. And you can go overboard. But if you aren't already swimming in pussy, as a rule, the more masculine you are, the better you will do with women. I'm asking why TRP has never tried an alternative to that particular set of principles in TRP? Why do you assume it hasn't? Become better without focusing…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 05:22 PM
3

being an emotionally unstable extrovert that's too reliant on external guidance is something you should want to fix According to what? Some manual? Better to follow your instincts, which are, after all, honed by millions of years of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 05:02 PM
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if you are an individualist, why do you need trp? why can't you figure out life on your own? Why blunder around fucking up all over the place when you can read the manual?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 04:52 PM
3

Who does society send to war when war breaks out? Men or women? You could just as easily spin this as men being far better at the art of war than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 04:49 PM
3

No, I'm elaborating on why TRP isn't about subverting gender roles. Mostly it's because you have nothing to gain by doing it unless you want to do it for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 04:47 PM
4

Most red pillers don't believe that those things are changeable within their lifetime (if at all), so you may as well play the game and win rather than flip the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 04:10 PM
3

What's the best way to manage card payments? Stop buying shit that you can't afford. For our purposes, shit that you can't afford is defined as anything that you won't be able to pay off completely by whenever your bill is due. So yes, pay the total. Is this something I should think about? Once you've eliminated your personal debt, start investing in an index fund. This is a fund that invests across the market, and it outperforms actively managed funds on a consistent basis with far lower fees. …
/r/askTRP16/04/15 02:19 PM
1

You take what you've convinced yourself you can get.
/r/askTRP16/04/15 01:37 PM
3

For men to have better standing in sex and society as a group. TRP aren't MRAs. TRP is in it for themselves, not for the collective.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 01:16 PM
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"You know why," I'd say it's better to maintain the habit of not justifying your actions. "Yeah, this is over." "Why?" "No, it's over, let's not waste time on empty words." drop mic "You know why" is still an explanation. Do you care if she knows why you're dumping her? Yes? Then you care about her too much. Stop it. No? Then why tell her?
/r/askTRP16/04/15 12:40 PM
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coworker yeah okay first, that was dumb, you dumbass and looking into all sorts of tips on sex so I'm better but it was bad for a bit read sex god method and I know she's into dominant men now are you fucking serious ... tell her that the two of you want different things from the relationship that you two have, it's not fair to either of you to continue it, and you need space. don't shit where you eat from now on, kid
/r/askTRP16/04/15 12:09 PM
1

Know any locksmiths?
/r/askTRP16/04/15 12:03 PM
6

Has she moved in with you? Does she have a key to your place? If not: text her "Not really feeling it any more, sorry. I'm not continuing the relationship." That's it. Ignore her texts, ignore her phone calls, be amused as she becomes increasingly more desperate to get your attention.
/r/askTRP16/04/15 11:58 AM
1

By their definition, men must be hypergamous too because they're looking for the most attractive females. TRP doesn't care what other men are doing because for for the most part they don't want to fuck men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 11:45 AM
1

That's what happens when a mod deletes your comment, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 11:35 AM
2

You can tell people to not want to kill themselves, for example. Except in exceptional circumstances, people don't want to kill themselves. They want whatever is causing them pain to stop, and the killing of themselves seems to be the best way to get rid of the thing causing them pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 11:33 AM
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You don't think that that's also the way that TRP talks about sex? You aren't owed sex. If you want it, you need to be someone that people want to fuck. Improve yourself sufficiently and people will want to fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 10:01 AM
2

If they're actually not liable, it's not because they put a sign up.
/r/TheRedPill06/04/15 06:35 PM
2

The change is that instead of wondering why you can't relate to women, you have a subreddit telling you that it's not your fault. You realise that my asking where the change was was a reply to you saying that the analogy is perfect, right? I'm glad you acknowledge that TRP tells you that you need to change the way that you perceive the world, but you still haven't mentioned the equivalent in the analogy. So? It's not your fault that you couldn't relate to them. The change is that you now have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 03:06 PM
3

Be honest with yourself. It's not just taking women off the pedestal, it's relegating them to sub-human, inferior status. I doubt that I can convince you otherwise, and I don't particularly care to try, so sure, believe what you want to believe. Semantics. I'd call it tricks because it doesn't require much understanding and the bar for success is so low. I would call it tricks if it was a specific action taken. It's not. It's about changing the things that you believe about yourself which inform…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 05:42 AM
5

AWALT, women are terrible people. Hardly human. Silly men, thinking they were dealing with actual human beings. They're not logical, not rational, act like children, not loyal, manipulative, incapable of honor, narcissitic, incapable of loving you, hypergamous sluts all of them, etc etc etc. You can't relate to them and they can't relate to you. IE: Take women off the pedestal that you've placed them on and realise that they're people who behave in predictable ways. Take responsibility - get att…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 06:16 PM
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No, women are the scapegoats. And feminism. Obviously. Well, no, not obviously. Unless the 'obviously' is meant to be sarcastic. It's the misnomer about RP men taking responsibility. They're not, they're laying the blame on women who just can't help themselves by being shitty human beings by nature. Man up and learn how to deal with shitty humans. This is certainly the BP representation of the RP, yes, but it's certainly not what I've actually read in the months that I've been casually browsing.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 03:50 PM
1

We want to incentivise people to become nurses, because the job fucking sucks but is incredibly necessary. Hence why thanking them for doing a valuable thing is a good idea perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 03:07 PM
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...a scapegoat for their problems. Themselves? Because that's what TRP says: You are the direct cause of your unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 02:59 PM
1

Inferior or superior for what purpose?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 03:17 PM
2

So the "good guy" does not want to also... well, you know? But in that case you did not say that you are turned off them. The good guy wants to fuck, but he's not being duplicitous about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 03:11 PM
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