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That's before she was ready! You should be asking for verbal permission every time you undress, or kiss her, or touch her, or introduce her to your friends. Only then is your behavior properly non-coercive
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:35 AM
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It's not even that it's unfair, it's that if some men are treated as disposable it will inevitably lead to competition and hierarchy in males aka "the patriarchy", which is the boogeyman of all feminist ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:38 PM
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The remaining 5% are the virgins who hang out here
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:47 PM
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Men in the past used to be a lot shorter because we didn't have complex infrastructure ensuring that people weren't malnourished. Discussing what would or would not have happened "naturally" is totally pointless Maybe people on this sub should try to logically explain what they mean by "fair" and "equal", because it seems like that looks different to different people here
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:28 PM
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If people are dating you for your money, why wouldn't you try to maximize your leverage? It's one thing if you're actually being abusive but the existence of the carrot on the stick isn't abusive in itself vs. it just not being an option at all Do transactional relationships suck? Yes. Are they still better than being alone? Also yes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:23 PM
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There is no combination of traits you could give a woman that would result in her being unchosen. If she asked she could have 5 dudes in her dms instantly. I kind of respect them for remaining faithful in the face of such an abundance of possibilities
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:26 PM
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Do you have any idea what that looks like in practice?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:46 PM
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. But I'm also curious what women find unsatisfactory about existing porn, because based on what I've heard, at least some women think that the porn should be even more focused on the woman, even though it already is
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:41 PM
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I mean in visual porn, which is what I assume we're talking about because there's already plenty of written porn for women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:32 PM
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When they say we need porn for women they mean showing the man even less
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:22 PM
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Well you've got a platform now, please enlighten us
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:50 AM
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What are you expecting a solo male to do, walk up and ask if he can hang out with random people?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:58 PM
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Yeah don't listen to the people who tell you not to date your co-workers it's like, the best way to date anyone these days
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:43 PM
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I don't know about that. Something something desperation is unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:21 PM
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Can anyone explain why a man having a list of requirements for a woman can be perceived as sexist but the reverse isn't true? Particularly since we seem to have established that anyone can have whatever standards they want and they don't have to be reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:46 PM
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original claim is that redpillers are disrespectful provides an example that has no precedent in the discussion "why are you so defensive?" okay
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:38 PM
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kissing a random woman on the street who is actively trying to get away has anybody on this subreddit ever once suggested they were planning on doing anything like this
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:32 PM
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Men do want to be the prize. So do women. One of these two groups actually has their claim backed up in reality
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:04 PM
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I don't know, but I don't really understand why women are apparently so easily brainwashed in either case
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:59 PM
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Every employer is also an individual. You've got individuals assessing individuals in either case
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:24 PM
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society is comprised of individuals, there's no point in addressing anything at a societal level I have seen libertarians make this kind of argument one is a job that actually fluctuates across the board what does this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:21 PM
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The women apparently don't care. They say it here all the time that they're perfectly satisfied with this arrangement. Obviously I'm not going to be concerned about you if this is what you tell me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:07 PM
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That would definitely be a problem if women actually liked men, but they don't, so instead they rejoice
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:59 PM
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Do you think it's possible to have coherent political beliefs if you don't make those kinds of judgements? How do you determine which systems are preferable?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 08:29 PM
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Considering that assisted suicide is illegal in 38 states, I'd argue you're actually not entitled to death
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:28 PM
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I personally consider pairing off to be a considerable factor in achieving eudaimonia, so I believe empowering people to pair off is a positive in itself. Since you disagree, I won't try to change your mind
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:21 AM
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Yes, this is the sexy son hypothesis, which is that females just like whatever other females like
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:13 AM
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The obvious consequence of this is that the most successful societies will be those in which men have disproportionate power compared to women, as they're unwilling to engage with men who are devoid of said power Even now, having these conversations on this sub, it seems the ideal outcome is for the "loser" men present to gain institutional power in order to be palatable. How is this feasible at large without some kind of imbalance?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:51 AM
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Because if you want to pair everyone off, that's the way that makes the most sense. If you don't care then you don't care, I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:44 AM
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How are you expecting anyone to meet women while hiking? I've been hiking my whole life, it does not work
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:07 AM
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As long as you also believe that men shouldn't be shamed for not wanting ugly women, that's great and I have no further arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:46 PM
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This argument rests on the assumption that women actually are as shallow as men, it's paradoxical That aside, not being able to tell that the person you're debating is making points they haven't stated isn't shallow
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:35 PM
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I'm still not sure whether you're agreeing with the thing I said. "Yes women are shallow and therefore men are actually more shallow again" What?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:58 PM
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You can't just refuse to acknowledge something and then say that you secretly are acknowledging it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:47 PM
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Because they like to maintain the appearance that they're morally superior to men in all of these gender discussions. That's where the confusion arises
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:43 PM
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I feel like nobody here would have anything to argue about if women said they were equally as shallow as men, but this possibility horrifies them. There are studies supporting both possibilities
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:31 PM
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That's not what he's saying. He's saying that people often do, in these kinds of discussions, completely ignore the part about the test being hard, and instead try to imply that you were saying that the test should be hard With redpill it's usually something like the redpiller saying "dating is shallow" and the response being "why do you think dating should be shallow??" The problem somehow magically shifts away from the fact that the test is hard and onto the person for bringing it up
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:50 AM
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Finally some damn honesty around here instead of some variation of "man bad"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:55 AM
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For real. A lot of the bluepillers here don't dunk on redpillers by saying they're wrong, but by saying that their points are completely obvious and they should have just known all along
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:14 AM
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Women trying to prove they're attracted to men: still not actually saying anything positive about the male gender you're a loser
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:29 PM
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Apparently it's quite strange that somebody could find the concept of "I consider the gender I'm not attracted to more attractive" confusing here is the study btw
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:57 PM
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Correct but women objectively have more value within this market. Which is a privilege they possess, not that they will admit it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:17 PM
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You say this like women on reddit aren't still moaning about men's beauty standards even as their own have measurably worse consequences
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:56 PM
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All value is subjective. Marketplaces are based entirely around subjective perceptions of value
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:20 AM
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So what? We've forsaken any ground to condemn the organism's behavior, whatever it happens to be. Material reality is just that, material reality It's not that you're wrong, I just don't see the point of these conversations if we're not trying to achieve some ideal state
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:44 PM
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If we're removing the moral framework here, there is no such thing as entitlement. You either receive something or you do not If that's the point you're making, I have no further questions
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:31 PM
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No, your original point was that men are entitled because animals don't seem to take issue with so and so. I was pointing out a flaw in your reasoning
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:01 PM
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Pasture-raised animals have the same rights and are still raised as livestock, so it's not really relevant to my point Which is that what other animals seem to be okay with is not a good foundation for any rights-based discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:58 PM
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What a weird argument. Other animals don't seem to have much issue with having no rights and being raised as livestock, why are humans so entitled?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:36 PM
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Men will always lose gender wars as long as men in general remain biased towards women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:54 PM
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Similarly, it only takes one person to spend $500 on your rock, and maybe that person exists somewhere out there in the world, but if you can't find them it's effectively worthless
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:07 PM
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Not chosen and not valuable are the same thing "Oh this rock is really valuable it's just nobody is willing to buy it" eventually you're going to start to wonder wtf they're talking about You can appreciate the rock in all kinds of ways but the fact is that it has no market value and it's not going to make you any money
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:51 PM
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women tend to have a lot of expectations men don't, so odds are the problem is that he's treating them too much like other men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:41 AM
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Don't forget the infamous "just treat women like human beings"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 08:43 PM
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The problem is the people who think that they can't get women because they weren't born a chad with the physique of a greek god You mean blackpillers. I suspect some are undercover because they're not allowed on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 08:38 PM
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Every time I've seen a guy on Reddit talk about getting hit on by gay guys he said he found it flattering
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:14 PM
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You seem to be having a very hard time understanding the concept of "just don't cause drama and we're chill" Examples of this include any activity other than causing drama Ideally? I dunno, gaming? We could do that together maybe
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 03:24 PM
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Terrible comparison. If you didn't have food your life would definitely revolve around food
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:29 PM
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I just want it to be consistent. Either we owe each other something or we don't If we don't, stop trying to guilt trip me into accountability for shit that other men did
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 06:34 PM
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The irony being that some women devote their whole lives to controlling male behavior. In exactly the same way, mind you. (it's morally wrong for men to do x, or not do y, or prefer z...)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 12:58 AM
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I think you're the one creating a false dichotomy here by assuming that redpillers only want to pump and dump the maximum amount of women, and only for bragging rights
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 04:36 PM
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Even if you're strictly looking for marriage being the guy with options is better because it increases your chances of finding somebody you like
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:24 PM
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Have you considered that being the guy who gets his pick of women is just objectively better than being unwanted
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:18 PM
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maybe a better question is why lib women seem to have more disdain for "potential-criminals" than actual criminals
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:29 PM
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That would be an excellent point if my argument was "men don't want to date women but feel they have to" instead of "further filtering your available options when your problem is not having enough makes no sense"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:52 PM
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men would probably have higher expectations if they got 200 likes instead of 2 but reality is uncooperative
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:21 PM
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"it is thus because I declare it to be so"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:35 PM
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Seems like a lot of people on Reddit are trying to make a self-ownership vs private property argument but they don't know how so they just go by vibes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:49 PM
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Yes. Many women also don't feel obligated to explain their behavior, making it impossible to determine whether you were being overly assertive or not assertive enough
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:15 AM
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You understand why it's confusing when you say this but also say you won't obtain the product without receiving a sales pitch first?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:34 PM
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That's because when I want a product I go get it, I don't wait for it to suddenly appear in my life somehow. You're not disagreeing with me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:05 PM
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Women don't want to approach men, women don't want to be approached by men, I guess women just don't like men. Which is fine by me because I don't mind living in whatever kind of dystopia that will inevitably create
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:38 PM
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I think we have a difference of opinion here. I don't consider leaving somebody alone to be violence. Maybe we are all guilty of violence against suicidal men by refusing to help them, I don't know
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 05:45 PM
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You can't make the hypothetical have implied violence by saying it's just like a situation that does, in fact, have implied violence
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 05:34 PM
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Leaving a person in a state of nature isn't a kind of force. In fact, it's the least-forceful thing possible
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:30 AM
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Okay? What's your point about coercion if both parties are winners in the scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:17 AM
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That's basically the whole point of the red pill. Do you know what it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:44 AM
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Well, I guess this is a self-correcting problem on a long enough timescale. Willfully removing yourself from the gene pool isn't exactly evolutionarily sound
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:42 AM
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Did you mean to say that second part the other way around? If it's based on the entire field, then I'm wondering what solution you have in mind. This entire field should be paid more because it has more women and this other entire field should be paid less because it has more men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:52 PM
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I think the first question when it comes to STEM is whether women actually want to work in STEM. Are there a lot of women dreaming of doing STEM but feel they're being discriminated against?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:33 PM
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I think you've nailed the psychology on this whole thing. And it's the villainization by strangers (on top of the social exclusion they're already facing) that really agitates a lot of men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:47 AM
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If somebody warns you guys not to fall for a scam, do you tell them that you're not responsible for the scammer's actions and they should just not do scams?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:10 PM
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So there's no problem here, because they're already getting the guys they want
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:49 PM
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Women statistically proven to have no beauty standards at all and this still pisses them off somehow
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:28 AM
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You did make the rules. Needing to undergo some trial with unclear rules we can't figure out and argue about constantly isn't an advantage to us in any way whatsoever lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:32 AM
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But men don't care, and will instead choose to force the onus of choice entirely on women I like how you say this like we actually don't want the ability to choose our partners, rather than being rejected so frequently that we're effectively powerless
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:38 AM
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On OLD women filter out 95% of men before even speaking to them, so I stress that this has next to nothing to do with whether a guy gets dates
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:00 PM
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Truly men's great idiocy in this whole conversation is believing they have obligations to women when in fact they have none
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:48 PM
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I think the language of "x need to do y" is derived from annoying feminist lingo. It's not a logical argument, it's just a demand
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:05 PM
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Quite a long-winded way to say "feminism is anti-human"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:38 AM
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Change it to "would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a black man" and see how fast the tune changes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:27 PM
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does it not logically follow that unmarried people are generally lonelier?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:54 PM
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I'm talking about debating on the internet. If the other side refuses to concede your points there is no progress to be made If men are capable of replacing women they should do it and the women will probably be perfectly happy to fuck off and consoom in peace
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:36 PM
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Way more. It's not even close lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:46 AM
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It's impossible to win against an opponent that never concedes defeat lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:16 AM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:40 AM
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