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-10

The only one of these thats relevant is the Amy Schumer example. She definitely gets criticism, from feminists - she’s in the “problematic white woman feminist” category and the criticism includes the comments you’re referencing, in addition to some racist and classist comments she’s made. But she does not get criticism across the board, lots of people do tend to celebrate what she has done for women and overlook the negatives, or hold her those comments and behaviors to different standards than…
/r/MensRights18/04/22 05:35 AM
-13

Women in higher status jobs doesn’t demote men to lower status. It’s not a zero sum game.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 05:11 AM
4

Can you point to feminists saying performing sexual acts on a sleeping person is fine if it’s a man? Consent is a pillar of feminism.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 04:30 AM
-13

The more women in higher paying careers the less men have to assume the role of provider. Equal contribution to parenting means equal custody. Equal earning power means no alimony or child support. So yeah, it helps.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 04:23 AM
-7

All this contempt towards women and all this superiority and victimhood, and ZERO mention of actually… advocating for workers rights and safer job conditions? It’s such a joke that this sub calls themselves activists.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 04:15 AM
-23

They’re both hateful extremist ideologies.
/r/MensRights17/04/22 03:12 AM
-23

Should I also call white supremacists strong independent men?
/r/MensRights17/04/22 02:44 AM
-18

It’s not a slur, the incel community exists. What are we supposed to call them?
/r/MensRights17/04/22 02:33 AM
0

Ok tough guy
/r/MensRights17/04/22 01:05 AM
-1

Algorithms are absolutely a problem. Just think about it, that’s how people get sucked into Q conspiracy theories and and white supremacy and all kinds of toxic shit. Facebook is trash and YouTube is basically a radicalization pipeline.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 11:43 PM
18

Ugh I’m so sorry. People are trash.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 11:32 PM
0

Dude. Whining about entitled women who want men to wear condoms while ALSO whining about evil lying bitches who “accidentally” get pregnant is just hypocritical victimhood.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 11:08 PM
4

Those things aren’t unfair expectations society puts on women. They’re just toxic. An example of toxic femininity would be mothers feeling guilty or losing their identity after having children because society says real women are perfect mothers.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 08:04 PM
1

No one. That stupid analogy didn’t come from me. Normal people don’t feel entitled to unprotected sex or controlling the clothing their partner wears.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 07:50 PM
0

This whole thread is about men feeling entitled to unprotected sex. Brought to you by the same men who think women are all liars plotting unwanted pregnancies. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance there?
/r/MensRights16/04/22 07:47 PM
0

There was no mention of a relationship
/r/MensRights16/04/22 09:16 AM
-2

You’re right. These are the same people who have an irrational fear that women are all plotting accidental pregnancies to steal their money
/r/MensRights16/04/22 09:14 AM
6

You aren’t being forced. There is no scenario where someone forces you to wear a condom.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 08:58 AM
2

Correct
/r/MensRights16/04/22 05:45 AM
-3

Are you comparing a man wanting a woman to wear sexy clothes to a woman wanting to use condoms to protect herself from pregnancy and STIs? It’s really embarrassing that you thought this was a gotcha.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 05:21 AM
1

If the objective is accounting, there’s no point. If you use the card for household expenses, the resulting record of childcare costs will be artificially high because it will include the parents portion. If you only use it for purchases that are only for the kid it will be a random collection of shoes and dentist copays and school supplies that wont be reflective of anything. You could use it for larger recurring payments such as day care and health insurance, but there’s no need to keep tabs o…
/r/MensRights16/04/22 05:09 AM
5

Correct
/r/MensRights16/04/22 03:53 AM
3

Then what is he so angry about?
/r/MensRights16/04/22 03:05 AM
-2

Everyone is entitled to using protection when having sex. That’s an entirely acceptable expectation to have. When someone says you have to wear a condom the implication of “or we can’t have sex” is already built into the negotiation.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 03:03 AM
1

To do this the custodial parent would have to itemize rent, gas, groceries, etc and pay for everything in multiple transactions. And constantly monitor how much is left in the account since it will hit zero at some point every month and become overdrawn. That’s not reasonable. All of those expenses are getting paid regardless of which source of funds is used to complete the transaction. Child support is a reimbursement to cover a percentage of childcare expenses incurred. No one needs accounting…
/r/MensRights16/04/22 02:41 AM
-2

Why don’t you check out the statistics and report back.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 01:47 AM
-2

Of course he has a choice not to have sex with her. That’s already implied in the contract. When a woman tells him they have to use condoms if they’re going to have sex, she’s given him a choice. The options are use a condom or don’t have sex.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 01:47 AM
-9

Exactly, honestly and compatibility is the appropriate reaction and reasonable expectation. I still don’t agree that not wearing condoms is a boundary though. It’s a preference or a desire. A boundary is something you aren’t comfortable with that I need to respect. If you aren’t comfortable being touched in a certain way, I’m not entitled to tell you to do it anyway, and if I tell you we can’t have sex unless you do I’m coercing you. If I tell someone we have to use condoms or we can’t have sex,…
/r/MensRights16/04/22 01:34 AM
-15

You’re going to get a lot more than that. Good luck.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 11:31 PM
1

Your anecdotal opinions are irrelevant. It’s well known and has been studied on a global scale that the subway system in Mexico is dangerous for women. 90% report having experienced violence. Women are literally being forced to change or quit their jobs because they can’t get there safely or on time.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 11:19 PM
-2

Pretty sure women would like it to be addressed too, pretty fucked up that it’s not. Imagine how stressful it would be to be afraid for your safety every time you took the subway.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 10:41 PM
-6

Sorry, if public transportation isn’t safe for women that’s a bigger inconvenience and inequality than your assumption that money is being taken from other busses.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 10:35 PM
-20

Does it say that or are you assuming? The womens busses that are already in operation in Mexico run on a slower schedule than the regular ones so it’s actually women who are being inconvenienced. If you’re upset about men being slightly inconvenienced by crowded busses you should take it up with the men that are attacking and harassing women on public transportation.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 10:24 PM
-37

Not liking condoms is not a boundary. Not having sex with someone who won’t use a condom is a boundary.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 10:15 PM
-19

What’s not equal? How are you affected in any way?
/r/MensRights15/04/22 10:12 PM
-31

Why does this bother you. Violence against women on public transportation is a huge problem.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 08:43 PM
1

I hear you, but if abortion is illegal neither of those scenarios are going to happen.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 08:34 PM
1

The stay at home parent who manages the household and cares for children enables the other to advance their career and income, and vice versa. And they save thousands in childcare costs.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 08:17 PM
-1

Not really. In the days of prime time network tv there were a lot of tropes stereotyping everyone. Now that tv doesn’t have to appeal to the masses, the storytelling and character development is a lot more diverse and creative.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 08:08 PM
1

They’re calling the show itself poverty porn, because it exploits people.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 12:54 PM
-1

Will you still consider abortion rights to be a women’s issue when your partner gets pregnant and neither one of you want to have a child?
/r/MensRights15/04/22 03:45 AM
5

I agree it’s an exhausting and futile debate that I’m not interested in having either, I hear you. But having had that debate far too many times I’ve come to accept that lots of people truly see abortion as murder, whether in conjunction with or in isolation of all the other factors that play into pro life alignment. And I have to understand and empathize with that. Nothing and no one could ever rationalize or coerce me to murder a child. That’s true of most people, and I imagine is true of you.…
/r/MensRights15/04/22 03:41 AM
0

You have far more value than internet points, but all I can offer is to trade a million downvotes to tell you this sub is a dangerous pipeline for young men in a vulnerable position. Please don’t spend too much time here, seriously. I’m very sorry you’ve had traumatic experiences. It’s understandable that you would feel on edge or awkward and have a hard time trusting women. Without invalidating your experience, I will say that some of your perceptions of how women see you may be skewed by havin…
/r/MensRights15/04/22 02:56 AM
-8

Half the country believes abortion is murder. Can’t reasonably expect to murder a child to make the world more fair for you. With regards to the other half, surely you’re out there advocating for womens reproductive rights, right? I can’t imagine anyone in this sub wouldn’t be protesting against abortion bans and criminalization, given how much is at stake here for men who don’t want to be parents.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 02:25 AM
2

Half the country perceives abortion as murder. That’s a whole lot of people who aren’t going to be willing to commit murder on your behalf. Concerning the other half, perhaps your activism would be better applied towards supporting reproductive rights. Funny how no one in here is concerned whatsoever about abortion bans and criminalization, simply because that would feel like empathy towards women and your ego just can’t handle it. Regardless, once a child is born they are entitled to support. Y…
/r/MensRights15/04/22 02:07 AM
1

I’m so sorry, that sounds terrible and traumatic for you and your son. Thank you for sharing how it all went down. I have no doubt that this is a complex process and can get exponentially messy when lawyers are involved and the whole thing turns into something to be strategically won at any cost rather than neutrally and amicably agreed upon. And that’s only speaking to the normal emotionally-wrought reality of any divorce, not taking into account the circumstances you’ve described. The comment …
/r/MensRights15/04/22 01:32 AM
2

That certainly sounds unreasonable. Assuming this was decided in court, what went into that calculation that produced such an unbalanced child support ratio? (Please disregard if that’s too personal of a question)
/r/MensRights14/04/22 03:46 PM
2

What do you think a child support payment for two parents that make similar salaries and split custody looks like?
/r/MensRights14/04/22 01:55 PM
5

Splitting assets is a lot easier when we contributed 50/50
/r/MensRights14/04/22 01:53 PM
1

Source?
/r/MensRights14/04/22 01:01 PM
-4

A woman paying 100% of child support and taking on 100% of childcare, while the man walks away with zero responsibility, is not equal.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 11:16 AM
1

Ok. A negligible child support payment isn’t destroying anyones wealth.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 11:04 AM
13

There is nothing remotely unrealistic about women with careers or men who contribute equally to parenting.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 10:57 AM
1

You’re going to need to source that one. Do you think the tens of thousands of people affected by this are all men? How would women get in touch with “the government” to request these services and who would provide them? Millions of calls to the DVLA have gone unanswered. Do you suppose there some secret feminist government agency receiving being funded to screen those calls and fast track the women? How does this all work?
/r/MensRights14/04/22 01:35 AM
-4

I don’t see the problem here. Sounds like the point being made was that football players assess the risk of bodily harm they are willing to take without interference, and the woman should have the same agency.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 12:43 AM
37

Find a partner with a career and build wealth together. Commit to equal roles in parenting so no one is the primary breadwinner and no one is the primary caretaker.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 12:16 AM
1

Lol I’m cringing so hard at this comment section. 10 seconds of basic critical thinking should be more than enough to figure out it’s misleading, this article is so egregious it’s a step away from satire. Daily Mail really fuels the dopamine around here.
/r/MensRights13/04/22 11:17 AM
1

Are you reading and comprehending this exchange or just throwing invalidating statements about women at the wall to see what sticks? The 10% statistic was in response to your big emotional assertion that men are all fighting hand to hand combat on the front line, so it’s entirely relevant. Per your second point, image obviously pertains to the military’s adherence to traditional gender roles, which has nothing to do with quotas. Until recently regulations for women’s hairstyles were dumber and m…
/r/MensRights13/04/22 05:39 AM
-16

That’s literally what the painting is. It’s not a fucking trigger warning, it’s a blurb providing context to the art like any other museum placard. Don’t be so gullible to tabloid propaganda.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 01:09 PM
0

Where did you find these comments
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:38 AM
1

Women do have to reconcile those values.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 01:12 AM
5

Most armed forces in general don’t see combat. Varies by branch but overall it’s around 10%. There are obviously critical safety and practical reasons for certain regulations around hair and clothing in field environments. But the fact that rules are gendered is undeniably about the image the military wants to project. The reason men can’t have long hair in a braid and until recently women couldn’t shave their head or wear hair in styles that are most efficient for the job is because of the mili…
/r/MensRights11/04/22 10:08 PM
6

Yeah, probably. I don’t know how OP feels about it, but when I consider all the reasons I might have for not wanting to change my hair in this context, they each represent core values that are fundamentally incompatible with the military. If it was just about hair I would get over it the same as I would if I was an actor or athlete or something.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 06:16 PM
-15

That’s not what this article says. Did you read it? You should, it debunks a lot of the alimony misinformation that gets passed around this sub.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 03:43 AM
151

Gender roles. Can’t have men looking too pretty or women not looking pretty enough.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 03:07 AM
-17

Yeah men pay most of it. The main use case for alimony is for people who sacrificed their career for the partnership, and that’s more likely to be women. Point is that alimony is rare.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 02:47 AM
-28

Do you not see the link between women making more money and men paying less alimony? Feminism is literally why alimony is rare.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 01:51 AM
0

By options, do you mean time spent towards career vs parenting?
/r/MensRights10/04/22 08:17 PM
7

Florida is a stand your ground state. You can’t just immediately charge someone for murder when killing someone in self defense is legal. You have to investigate the self defense claim.
/r/MensRights10/04/22 12:11 AM
2

Makes sense. I figured it was probably required context for non polish speakers to understand the quote and not your own interpretation of what she meant by it, but that happens a lot in this sub so just making sure. Thanks for the explanation.
/r/MensRights09/04/22 08:47 PM
7

Yes it is
/r/MensRights09/04/22 05:51 PM
2

are (male) and (female) part of the translation or did you contextualize that for us?
/r/MensRights09/04/22 02:03 PM
-1

All depends on the context behind “apparently the parents are going through a divorce and the father wasn’t supposed to pick her up”. That doesn’t align with your assertion that anyone made a biased or unfair assumption in favor of the mother. If there was some kind of directive that the father was not supposed to pick her up, it was the responsibility of the school not to release the child to the father, and whoever did made the wrong call and is accountable. But if this is a matter of opinion …
/r/MensRights09/04/22 04:24 AM
2

I think the question you are asking is natural and valid. It’s an interesting question that I don’t have the knowledge or experience to provide insight on. All I know is that I would be asking the same question in your position. How could you not? It sounds like your current relationship is healthy and real. If you had articulated it in a different way I would suggest that you examine whether you see your relationship as so good because it is, or simply because there’s an absence of abuse. But I…
/r/MensRights09/04/22 04:03 AM
-17

Lol no
/r/MensRights01/04/22 05:15 AM
1

Thank you for clarifying, that makes more sense.
/r/MensRights01/04/22 04:11 AM
-4

It’s not true that there are only 2 mens shelters in the country. There are probably at least 10 of them in nyc and the small city I’m currently living in has 3. That’s not to say there are enough or diminish the problem — I only mention so that you don’t get discredited when trying to raise awareness about an important issue.
/r/MensRights01/04/22 04:02 AM
1

I see your points too. It does seem different when you reframe it. Considering whether it’s both different and also a factor / remnant of sexism coded in language — and if it is, whether that’s inconsequential semantics or subconscious bias — is a really interesting thought exercise. I’m just thinking out loud from more of an academic sociological place, not veering into internalized misandry or anything like that. Anyway, thanks for the response, I’ll give it some more thought.
/r/MensRights30/03/22 08:12 PM
2

I don’t see any of that, which header is it under?
/r/MensRights30/03/22 10:38 AM
4

Where does it say this victimized women?
/r/MensRights30/03/22 03:21 AM
1

It doesn’t matter who created them. Abandoning societal gender roles would absolutely help men. Lack of mental health support and inequality in family court are among the biggest issues men are facing. Women advancing professionally and gender neutral family-friendly corporate workplace benefits such as daycare, flex schedules, better maternity leave and more widespread introduction of paternity leave enables men and women to be equal contributors to parenting and finances. This removes the burd…
/r/MensRights30/03/22 03:01 AM
10

Why not just say you’re a good parent and a good person? Saying you’re a real man is reductive, it implies that you’re an exception from what we expect of men. And it’s irrelevant. Kindness, compassion, responsibility, generosity, etc are about character, not gender. When a woman demonstrates those traits people recognize her as an individual, not an authentic woman. It should be the same for men. I’m sure that wasn’t anyones intent and have no doubt that they do genuinely recognize your charact…
/r/MensRights30/03/22 02:27 AM
3

Boys aren’t acting like girls, they are rejecting the idea that there’s only one right way to be a man. Gen Z doesn’t care about conformity. They’re more about self expression and fluidity.
/r/MensRights30/03/22 01:43 AM
-34

Protesting sexual violence and critiquing the police and justice system is not “man hating”
/r/MensRights29/03/22 03:29 PM
-15

What did you expect. That sub is the female version of this one, it’s primarily made up of people who scour the internet for random shitty opinions that support their bias against men.
/r/MensRights29/03/22 04:12 AM
1

Patriarchy isn’t about support. It’s about men holding power and women being excluded from it. A society that only values women as mothers and only values men as providers built systems to support that framework, and those systems still exist. Male only draft and women being favored in family court is a direct result of patriarchy. We don’t need those systems anymore. That is what is meant by dismantling the patriarchy. Treating women like children does not equal caring about them or supporting …
/r/MensRights28/03/22 09:26 PM
2

Ok. And I disagree with you in that I believe conservatives don’t care about men or women. None of those things are pro women, they are pro patriarchy.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 07:58 PM
1

Yeah you’re describing patriarchy. Seeing women as helpless and incapable isn’t gynocentric, it’s devaluing and infantilizing and sexist and traps women into dependent relationships with no options. Enforcing gender roles is harmful to men and women. And unfortunately lots of people do want a 1950s world, what do you think all those people who glorify making America great again are talking about.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 07:53 PM
3

This is so egregious I think you’re full of shit. But if you are being genuine, you’re in a vulnerable state and likely more prone to second guessing yourself, so I would rather fall for trolling than dismiss someone who genuinely needs support. So, I believe you. You should not continue, and you should report the therapist. She shouldn’t be practicing or working in mental health in any capacity. Anyone who tells you otherwise can go fuck themselves. But the first priority is to quit and try to …
/r/MensRights28/03/22 07:37 PM
1

I don’t think conservatives care about men either. They care about white religious men who think like they do and pander to the rest with thinly veiled and/or overt racism, gun rights, and general misinformation hyperbole and hysteria.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 07:07 PM
2

Well that’s just ignorant but ok. Whatever you need to rationalize your resentment.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 07:01 PM
1

It has nothing to do with being gynocentric and everything to do with forcing men and women into traditional gender roles.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 06:28 PM
-1

In some instances, sure. It’s a complex issue. But it’s disingenuous to say that conservatives are against trans women competing because they care about women’s sports. And terfs are just radicalized fringe, no one should be listening to them.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 06:24 PM
1

The notion that the party criminalizing abortion is pro-women is delusional, sorry.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 06:18 PM
-1

I was halfway through typing out a more thoughtful response but after seeing your edits it’s apparent this is all too hyperbolic and delusional to have a productive discussion.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 04:38 PM
-3

Feminists don’t want men drafted either, and I guarantee you none of them are voting for Josh Hawley.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 02:04 PM
-7

Like when?
/r/MensRights28/03/22 12:25 PM
-12

Give me a break. Conservatives don’t give a shit about women or feminism, they’re just transphobic.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 11:23 AM
-4

Could you be any more white? This is about a racist and broken criminal justice system and a society that has failed disenfranchised black Americans.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 04:17 AM
-5

Men being wary is irrelevant to this conversation, no? I’m not seeing the connection. It’s far more acceptable for a man to date a younger woman. Again I’m not seeing how this has anything to do with the topic. I agree that society reacts differently to some aspects of male sexuality. And I’m not defending the female numbers. At all. I think we should deal in reality and not emotions. Basic critical thinking tells us this is not reliable data.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 04:01 AM
-22

Maybe women are just more honest than men
/r/MensRights27/03/22 05:09 PM
0

Not really. Many, if not most, male actors are shorter to average height. It’s easier to frame and shoot if costars are similar in height. Jennifer Lawrence is 4 inches taller than Josh Hutchinson. They’re supposed to be teenagers, on camera she will look weirdly large and likely older than him and it wouldn’t be cohesive.
/r/MensRights27/03/22 05:07 PM
0

I’m not sure you understand the difference between a statistic and an anecdote
/r/MensRights25/03/22 07:29 PM
-3

90% of custody arrangements are decided by the parents without going to court, so yeah most men aren’t in the picture by choice.
/r/MensRights24/03/22 12:58 AM
-14

I don’t have a problem, I’m just telling you that feminism has nothing to do with hobbies. Lots of women, including feminists, are passionate about the same things you are.
/r/MensRights21/03/22 09:41 PM
-26

This has nothing to do with feminism, it’s a random anecdotal opinion. Sounds kind of like you’re looking for things to get upset about.
/r/MensRights21/03/22 09:09 PM
0

Are you a foster parent?
/r/MensRights17/03/22 04:31 AM
-7

Dear diary, hey girl how’s life? Here’s my daily list of intentionally vague references to✨ things ✨ that women did to ruin my life, which I will not be elaborating on.
/r/MensRights17/03/22 03:50 AM
-2

Your use of the word “eschew” was the tell that you’re in on the joke and just cosplaying cringe male superiority. I got you girl. 👯‍♂️👯‍♂️👯‍♂️💅🏻💅🏻💅🏻
/r/MensRights17/03/22 03:42 AM
8

Well you found the words. I’m seriously impressed by people who can see and connect seemingly unrelated topics, and communicate them in such a compelling way. My first reaction was that uncanny valley is a fascinating metaphor for circumcision. But it’s not a metaphor at all, it’s a literal definition that seems so obvious now that you say it. Anyway, I really respect that and feel like you should write more on the topic. I already agreed with your views on circumcision, but if I didn’t this wou…
/r/MensRights17/03/22 01:25 AM
12

I’ve never heard anyone liken circumcision to the uncanny valley effect. Did you come up with that? No condescension whatsoever, I think it’s a really fascinating lens to present this argument.
/r/MensRights17/03/22 01:07 AM
1

Intellectually impaired, got it.
/r/MensRights17/03/22 01:01 AM
1

Feminism helps men ≠ feminists are here to serve men.
/r/MensRights17/03/22 01:00 AM
-7

If a bunch of people want my adderal and I figure out a system to obtain it and resell it at a higher price, that’s a business. Her customers supplied the demand, she saw the opportunity and built it into a profitable business model that she is now trying to scale. How long that will last and how successful she will be remains to be seen, but we’re living in a meme world. She likely isn’t riding on this being a sustainable business. And it won’t be. While I agree with you that it feels dystopian…
/r/MensRights17/03/22 12:58 AM
1

A woman who sexualizes men doesn’t effect me in any way. But the point remains that this behavior is not an example of toxic femininity. You’re either trolling or intellectually impaired, this conversation has run it’s course.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 11:45 PM
1

Sexualizing men is not a traditionally feminine quality. This isn’t a difficult concept to grasp.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 11:26 PM
-1

It doesn’t provide any context though. That’s why it’s irrelevant.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 11:22 PM
-1

Oh please, tell me more about business strategy. This keeps getting better and better.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 11:02 PM
-2

It’s my job to tell companies how to make a profit, but thanks for explaining business to me. Please also explain why childcare is a mother’s problem but not a father’s problem.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 10:56 PM
-2

How is it not a business?
/r/MensRights16/03/22 10:05 PM
-2

She’s not just existing. She’s running a business while caring for three children.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 09:07 PM
1

Maybe reconsider relying on upvotes from this sub to validate your world view.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 08:34 PM
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What are you talking about specifically? What change do you want to see? Women caring less about mens financial status? That has and will continue to change. Women are getting incrementally closer to men in professional and financial status and younger generations don’t care about traditional gender roles. Both of these trends will continue. As men and women equalize, the societal expectation that a man’s value is measured in his ability to provide will naturally go down.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 03:56 PM
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Yeah, that was just me being snarky. Men and women have both admirably fought for things. But it’s dumb for men to feel entitled to feminists fighting their battles. Feminists prioritize areas where women are held back. BLM activists prioritize fighting police brutality, not gang violence. Both would largely be in support of abolishing the draft, but neither is likely to initiate it. Men in this sphere don’t seem to be doing much to help themselves. When they do, the support will be there. Femin…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 02:59 PM
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The only thing that I claimed was changing is the percentage of women who are earning the same or more than their male partners.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 02:31 PM
2

When was the last time men campaigned to abolish anything?
/r/MensRights16/03/22 02:27 PM
1

Why isn’t it at the top of your priority list? Feminists aren’t here to serve you. If men would actually start doing something, women would support it.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 02:23 PM
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Agreed
/r/MensRights16/03/22 02:20 PM
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I didn’t say considerably less. Same range. For purposes of this conversation I would consider one partner making 130k and the other making 150k to be equal. Nothing magical about those numbers, could be a larger range.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 02:19 PM
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Do you think the men who are more successful than you are demanding all the success for themselves? If a woman who makes a lot of money feels it’s necessary to marry a man who makes more money than her and can’t find one, she’ll be alone. Who cares? This hurts no one but her.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 02:08 PM
1

They went to prison after years of accusations which they were not fired and jailed for. It took a movement to make that happen. A bad reputation is not being immediately fired and jailed, now you’re just sliding in your criteria. You asked for a well known case. The mediocre sexual assaulters I know are probably not the same mediocre ones you know. The American Apparel example I cited is not top 1%.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 01:32 PM
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This isn’t a tinder swindler, it’s an act of torture. This article deliberately doesn’t mention that two men committed this crime with her. The reason for that is that focusing on her makes for a sexier and more sensationalized story. That’s disgusting. The victim deserves better than to have to see this hot girl James Bond bullshit photo essay.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 01:26 PM
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I don’t know, you tell me. Was she better?
/r/MensRights16/03/22 01:07 PM
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I mean, what kind of school? Sexual assault is a problem on college campuses, boarding schools, anything governed by the catholic church is pretty sus…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:59 PM
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Yes, better. I’m referring to women and people of color who are better at your job than you are.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:54 PM
1

Who are you quoting? No one should be raped or murdered. There shouldn’t be a draft.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:51 PM
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Lou Pearlman Bill Clinton Harvey Weinstein Bryan Singer
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:48 PM
-1

Men are absolutely sexually assaulted in the military. It’s not anecdotal, as in something that has just happened before. Men are routinely sexually harassed and assaulted in the military.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:39 PM
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Nope. Just makes it more difficult for a man to attract a partner. Your post was literally about not wanting your success to be a commodity and how women aren’t entitled to your money. So I’m confused. Now you want women to desire your money, but other women are screwing it up for you by having jobs? Neither are Equal Employment Opportunities and Affirmative Action always based on merit. Sorry if I was unclear, I’m talking about the women who are better than you
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:30 PM
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If you believe that sexual assault and harassment is not an issue in the military, there’s no point in wasting time on this conversation.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:16 PM
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Dove Charney, American Apparel
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:08 PM
-31

Think about what you’re saying. Prison rape culture is as terrible and unacceptable as military rape culture. Don’t be conditioned into thinking any of this is ok. There are lots of circumstances in which rape would be more traumatic with longer lasting impact than being shot. There’s no “surely x is worse” blanket statement here.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 11:59 AM
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Ok… You’re right. That’s kinda why women want more representation and access to higher paying positions, better maternity and paternity leave, more support for working mothers, equal pay, etc. So they can build their own success and wealth. The percentage of partnerships where the woman makes the same or more income than the man has been steadily growing for a while, so hopefully this sentiment that men need to support everyone will equalize at some point.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 11:50 AM
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Who is saying that? From what I’ve observed, feminists generally believe no one should be drafted. Going into the military is basically signing up to be raped so maybe they have a problem with that too.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 11:35 AM
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Stop fixating on what would happen if the genders were reversed, women are sexually assaulted all the fucking time and no one is fired on the spot and jailed. Focus on the victim. What happened? Edit: word
/r/MensRights16/03/22 11:18 AM
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It’s very rare that people are convicted and incarcerated for rape in the US. Most rapists have no consequence.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 11:15 AM
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I would call it sexualizing men and sexist. Depending on the scenario, other words I might use are sexual harassment, hypocritical, being a pick me, cringe, bullying, flirting, normal and fine, artistic expression, harmless, satire, etc. You know, nuance and everything.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 10:54 AM
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So confidently wrong. The historic expectation of what it means to be feminine has been that women don’t enjoy or initiate sex and should withhold until a man wears them down or they are a whore. That is toxic femininity. Even if you didn’t fundamentally misunderstand the meaning of words, “switch the gender/race” is a lazy and often invalid argument that you really shouldn’t be so pleased with yourself for coming up with.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 10:28 AM
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That statement is exactly what I take issue with. You are readily admitting and impressed with yourself for being aware when women are making choices they wouldn’t make if they were sober. Taking advantage of that is rape. The percentage of women who have been raped does not equal the percentage of men who are rapists so no, of course all men aren’t rapists in waiting. Men who wait for an opportunity when a woman is blacked out and won’t remember enough to report it are rapists in waiting. Edit:…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 03:38 AM
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Well this is the most self incriminating post I’ve read in a while
/r/MensRights16/03/22 02:42 AM
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You’re diluting a valid argument by calling this toxic femininity. It’s literally the opposite, and completely irrelevant to the point you’re actually making.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 02:16 AM
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She and the two men who committed this crime together are indeed living garbage.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:00 PM
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Not long winded. I appreciate your comment. Not my intention to dismiss the findings, or violence against men in general. I was reacting to OPs presentation of the information. There is some critical thinking that needs to be applied to surveys (as you have articulated).
/r/MensRights14/03/22 06:00 PM
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Methodologically, surveys are garbage.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 03:36 AM
0

Jesus Christ, you sound like a 15 year old cosplaying as a 1950s husband.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 03:29 AM
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Why do you say the results are clear? The article says the study is flawed.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 03:04 AM
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I have a very hard time believing that every man you know has been kicked in the groin by a woman.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:57 PM
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If it’s any consolation, I’m a woman and a feminist and I don’t think you sound entitled whatsoever. There is a stigma around height. It’s undeniable that tall men have a distinct advantage, professionally and in relationships. I hate hearing that you are made to feel bad about yourself, and even more so that people around you are invalidating your feelings about it. It would be presumptuous and arrogant of me to assume that this would be any consolation or that you need a woman to validate your…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 05:42 AM
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I acknowledge that people have come to overuse the term and call out mansplaining when it’s not mansplaining, but assuming women are stupid and need a man to explain everything to them is the literal definition of mansplaining.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 05:08 AM
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This is all over the place and no one should use it as a formal argument. Keep it short and focused on the point that he has a right to know the details and costs of his kids care. If the childcare worker has falsely accused him of harassment address that too, but not like this. I read the whole thing and still have no idea what happened.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 09:50 PM
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Feminists are correct when they say that, that is the equivalent. Also things like women centering their whole world around their children to the point of losing their own identity, or society looking down on women who have careers because they should be at home with their kids. The expectations of what men should be are more harmful than the expectations of what women should be. As in, it affects men more.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 09:44 PM
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It supports your argument though
/r/MensRights12/03/22 09:31 PM
2

Just to be clear, I wasn’t suggesting he get second opinions, just that having her hear that it won’t be an issue from a lot of men might help. If you’re saying that I may be wrong in assuming that his friends will actually tell her that, given they are of a different generation, that’s a good point to consider. Your statistic is pretty convincing though. Very different from what I would have guessed. If I had concerns about the social implications of not circumcising, that would change my mind.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 09:26 PM
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If the reason she wants to do it is the social aspect, one thing that could help is to poll your male friends about their opinions, it might reassure her to hear the point of view from several men. A couple I know who were leaning towards not circumcising their son did this. If you know them well enough to ask, it would be best to hear from some men who aren’t circumcised. They made a point to ask their gay friends if there was any stigma in the gay community as well. Neither of the parents need…
/r/MensRights12/03/22 07:56 PM
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It’s risky for her too. Regardless, if you aren’t able to communicate with each other about marriage, you probably aren’t ready to get married.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 04:22 AM
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So talk to HR
/r/MensRights11/03/22 06:30 PM
1

The woman had 100% responsibility, she was paying for her portion of childcare expenses and his portion of childcare expenses. She can’t afford that, so she seeks support services The government says we aren’t paying for the father’s portion, and makes him contribute. Fees and such are like any other bill or taxes. If you’re delinquent in paying you get fees and interest. I agree that rape victims shouldn’t be held accountable for child support. How should child support be handled for female rap…
/r/MensRights11/03/22 05:50 PM
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To make sure I’m understanding you correctly, are you describing a scenario where the mother is the primary caregiver and the father is not paying child support? And then the mother applies for government assistance to help cover the cost of raising said child, and the government investigates and determines that she is ineligible for assistance because the father should be contributing? If so, I don’t see the problem here. If not, I’m misunderstanding your point.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:44 PM
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No she didn’t. Intentionally getting pregnant is an active choice to have a baby. Not having an abortion is a passive choice to allow a pregnancy that has already happened to continue. And in many cases it’s not a choice at all. Maybe you should be spending some of this energy fighting for women’s reproductive rights so you have the freedom to have an abortion if you need it.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 08:23 AM
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Oh is this what critical thinking looks like? Your big gotcha is that we don’t make women pay child support to rapists. Are you somehow under the impression that men who rape women share custody? The woman is already paying 100% of child support. Do you know what child support is?
/r/MensRights10/03/22 08:03 AM
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Women are on the hook for 18 years too bro.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 06:16 AM
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Same as women who are raped. Stick to the topic, you’re all over the place.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 06:15 AM
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You’re having a strawman argument with an anonymous blog post you had to dig through the wayback to find. Feminists don’t feel entitled to the privilege of groping male strippers, what are you even talking about.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 05:29 AM
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Yeah, dress codes are stupid and discriminatory to both men and women.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 05:20 AM
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She didn’t spontaneously get pregnant against his will. Two peoples decisions resulted in a pregnancy. The pregnancy has already happened. It will result in a child, and the child is entitled to support. She didn’t choose to get pregnant, agency is irrelevant. She only has agency to terminate the pregnancy, because we don’t force women to be subjected to pregnancy and childbirth, that’s inhumane. You don’t have the right to force a woman into a traumatic year long medical condition. Do you also …
/r/MensRights10/03/22 05:17 AM
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Yes. The child is entitled to support.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:26 AM
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she alone has to go through the pregnancy. If you get pregnant you have the same right to control what happens to your own body.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 03:26 AM
0

Thats already when women have abortions
/r/MensRights10/03/22 03:01 AM
-15

Both chose to have sex. Both responsible for kid.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 02:42 AM
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If the mother has an abortion, there is no child. Neither parent is responsible for providing care or financial support. If there is a child, both parents are responsible for providing care and financial support. If the father has the freedom to abandon the child via a “paper abortion” the mother is responsible for 100% of childcare and 100% financial support. That’s not equal.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 02:00 AM
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Who fucking cares. Women’s day is for brands and corporations to engage in inclusion theater for PR value. They don’t give a shit about women or men, that email was just them congratulating themselves, it’s all bullshit. Do you really need your job to acknowledge that men are more likely to be seen as pedophiles in their corporate communications? Of course you don’t because that would be fucking weird and it’s completely irrelevant. Keep things in perspective.
/r/MensRights09/03/22 11:33 PM
-4

Male fragility and toxic masculinity are on the same end of the spectrum. Being open and expressive isn’t fragile at all.
/r/MensRights09/03/22 02:52 AM
1

I see. I agree with you there.
/r/MensRights08/03/22 10:40 PM
-2

So go get a job at a nonprofit, work in education, donate money to mens charities, start a campaign for suicide prevention. These things exist for women because women built them.
/r/MensRights08/03/22 12:42 PM
1

Last year my job had an open conversation about challenges for women in my industry. It wasn’t a debate or a man bashing conversation. Men weren’t told that they *couldn’t speak, they just listened and let us speak. At the end, we opened the floor to the men and encouraged them to add their thoughts. Their thoughts included things like: xyz challenge / insecurity actually affects me too as a man, it’s similar in this way that I relate to and different in this other way that may be more specific …
/r/MensRights08/03/22 01:27 AM
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You were right to avoid hugging and set a boundary in a professional environment. Bringing up “this me-too world” managed to both make it sexual and diminish women in a professional environment, so you definitely made everyone uncomfortable with that one.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 02:06 PM
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This sounds like harmless banter that you were participating in. Going through life thinking every woman wants to falsely accuse you of rape is narcissistic and paranoid.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 10:15 AM
-10

Sounds like a you problem
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:30 AM
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Weird title, what are you trying to “get away” with? I see men waving at babies and children on the subway all the time and it’s fine.
/r/MensRights06/03/22 11:10 PM
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Don’t delete it. It’s not your fault. I hear you and I’m sorry you’re feeling so defeated and misunderstood. The weight at which you’re feeling it may be partially symptomatic though. I’m not diminishing anything you’re saying, just observing the way you’re saying it. You’re expressing very black and white thinking, which can be both a symptom and a trigger of depression. That’s of course also what venting sounds like, so I’m certainly not trying to gaslight you into not trusting your own feelin…
/r/MensRights05/03/22 03:14 AM
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Kind of shooting yourself in the foot there. These men are making huge sacrifices and their strength and pain should absolutely be acknowledged and appreciated, but this is a pretty steep and toxic expectation to hold of men for them to be considered “at their finest.” The phrase in itself and the message it sends is sexist and problematic, even before they attached it to the extreme implications of this apparent ideal state of masculinity. Words matter. Consider that all it took was someone ins…
/r/MensRights05/03/22 02:01 AM
0

That’s an interesting one. I need to give it more thoughtful consideration, so you’ll probably be able to correct or dismantle some of my logic. But the two are different. The scenario in question wasn’t a sanctioned fight. In your scenario, there is a system in place. I don’t know how boxing works but it sounds like Floyd Mayweather would be in violation of nonpayment to the system, and the system would be in violation of you. (Maybe not?) You would be able to settle it in court if necessary, y…
/r/MensRights05/03/22 01:10 AM
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She didn’t consent to a personal sexual encounter. She consented to sex as a decidedly non-personal business transaction with an expectation of safety and balance of power. He violated the boundary and took what he wanted. Taking advantage of her wasn’t just financial theft, it was a personal sexual violation. The experience she consented to is not the experience she had.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 11:14 PM
3

I mean, this is all debatable from a sociological perspective, but its an intellectual exercise in examining the origin of gender roles. We don’t need to repopulate a village, so there’s no need to uphold extreme gender roles or assign any sort of value to which gender is more essential to survival in todays society. In case it’s unclear, I agree with you.
/r/MensRights03/03/22 04:25 AM
-31

Don’t be so emotional, no one said you needed to be gay
/r/MensRights02/03/22 06:00 AM
-35

Lol this post is so hyperbolic, it doesn’t say that at all
/r/MensRights02/03/22 04:09 AM
-16

Why are you so afraid to do anything without a woman’s approval?
/r/MensRights26/02/22 04:35 AM
1

Half the country considers abortion to be murder and the ones who maintain that belief when it actually affects them would not consider abortion to be a choice. Other people in this country don’t have access to an abortion. Not a choice. Or find out they are pregnant too late to have an abortion. Not a choice.
/r/MensRights23/12/21 08:21 PM
-5

You can’t control someone into having an abortion by withholding money from a child, sorry.
/r/MensRights14/12/21 01:14 PM
1

You can’t force someone to have an abortion, that’s inhumane.
/r/MensRights14/12/21 01:10 PM
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What happens when the father says he’s in and then leaves when it’s too late to have an abortion? What if the mother doesn’t have access to abortion services? Again, who is paying for this child and all the other children who will be born into poverty if men have no accountability? You haven’t thought this through at all, opinions are meaningless without solutions.
/r/MensRights14/12/21 05:09 AM
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So the father walks away with zero responsibility and the mother has 100% responsibility to care for the child and 100% responsibility to pay for the child? And you think that’s equal? It’s also unsustainable. With no accountability, what’s to stop men from habitually impregnating women and bailing? Why would they bother to use condoms? Women can have one pregnancy a year. Men can have 365. What happens then? You want to relieve him of all burden and pay for government assistance to raise his 10…
/r/MensRights14/12/21 01:11 AM
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This isn’t a gay thing, it’s a sexual harassment thing. I’m sorry you had that experience.
/r/MensRights13/12/21 12:50 AM
-36

In reality it started with the abuse that led the women to protect their children from him. This person should not have had access to his children.
/r/MensRights12/12/21 05:41 PM
1

I agree with you to an extent and sympathize with you fully, but your anger is misdirected. Are you seriously implying that women have it easy while letting the people who hurt you off the hook? First off, women don’’t have it easy. Second, it’s not a competition. The bullying is the problem, not the women.
/r/MensRights12/12/21 07:35 AM
-53

Are you employed in a job that runs the risk of killing you? If not, what makes you different than these women you feel so superior to?
/r/MensRights12/12/21 07:27 AM
-1

So do you want traditional gender roles or do you want equality?
/r/MensRights12/12/21 07:22 AM
-11

Do you work in a coal mine?
/r/MensRights10/12/21 03:51 AM
-1

Lol like what? High paying jobs don’t require physical labor and men aren’t superior to women in any of the other categories.
/r/MensRights10/12/21 03:48 AM
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