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Circumcision is bad, but we shouldn't take our opinions from the same brainwashed medical community who promoted circumcision. The only reason European doctors don't recommend it is because they can't make any money out of circumcision, under a single payer system. This is the reason the NHS abandoned the procedure. Doctors are doing damage control, they know that their victims are waking up to the medical industries crimes. If doctors promoted circumcision, who is to say that other aspects of m…
/r/MensRights01/01/17 02:58 AM
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Clickbait title.
/r/MensRights31/12/16 01:10 PM
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All of the health improvements we have seen have been due to improved nutrition and better sanitation. There have been epidemics in vaccinated populations also. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2555311/pdf/bullwho00327-0059.pdf In the case of polio, improved sanitation and a return to breastfeeding are the two main factors in it's decline.
/r/TheRedPill30/12/16 09:25 PM
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We need to swallow the red pill about doctors and modern medicine in general. 99% of all medical procedures are harmful. The only difference between circumcision and vaccines is that the propaganda campaign surrounding circumcision has been a failure.
/r/TheRedPill30/12/16 12:14 AM
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We need to tell circumcised men that nobody blames them for the fact that they were circumcised, their parents did so on incorrect medical advice from criminal doctors.
/r/MensRights13/12/16 08:02 PM
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Good.
/r/MGTOW06/12/16 01:17 PM
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haha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 10:46 PM
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How is it racist? Just for a moment see things from my perspective. Some of the most 'racist' people are in interracial relationships. Look at the black men who date white women and put down black women. Look at the asian women who date white men and put down asian men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 04:29 PM
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Easier said than done for some. It is like telling someone who struggles with dating, that they shouldn't seek validation from the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 04:20 PM
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No I'm not mixed race.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 04:18 PM
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Well alcohol abuse is wrong, but at least alcohol abuse is self-inflicted. Children want to look like their parents, it is natural. A mixed race child has to live with the knowledge that they could have been born happy with their skin colour and content with their hair type, if only their parents hadn’t deliberately deprived them of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 04:13 PM
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It's not racist, I genuinely believe that the old laws banning race mixing were a good thing. There are so many social problems caused by race mixing, as mentioned in my above post. Elliot Rodger might have been happier if he was born as full asian or full white.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 04:04 PM
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White people are capable of building and maintaining civilisation. Blacks can only destroy. Every time a civilisation is given to them by whites, they destroy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 04:02 PM
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I don't think it is a mild problem. Look at this picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 03:58 PM
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Good post. The real purpose of feminism/MRM (in my opinion) is to turn white men and white women against one another and prevent them from seeing the real enemies in their midst: black 'people' and jews. I'm considering making a full post on this...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 01:36 AM
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For example, Donald Trump says he loves muslims, and he likes them a lot, but he thinks we need a database of them and ban them from America because they are dangerous to the public. These two statements don't add up. All non-whites should be banned from America.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 12:32 AM
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This is more evidence of the influence of physical attraction on relationships. This is a real smack in the face to those who believe in 'personality'.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:35 PM
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Islam is a counterbalance to Jewish supremacy, which is why muslims are the enemies of the day. Islam forbids usury (charging interest on loans) and also forbids insurance policies. Both are scams that have historically been used by jews to wage economic warfare against us goyim. The 'war on terror' is a farce. 9/11 was blatantly an inside job and even if the official story is true, domestic terror attacks would hardly justify invading foreign countries. Ultimately I don't believe Islam is respo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 12:10 AM
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Most men (90-95%) are not able to have casual sex, which is the only real marker for how attractive you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 06:52 PM
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Look at this thread on bodybuilding.com and this thread on sluthate. I don't think you appreciate just how rare it is for a man to be attractive, I think even 1% might be an overestimate. In both threads the man communicated in a decidedly antisocial way and yet if you asked the woman what they thought of his personality they would have said he is charismatic/interesting. The only women who genuinely care about personality are those who are attractive enough to be chased by multiple chads, i.e. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 05:22 PM
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Well of course, women are almost always having sex with men they find unattractive. This graph and this. would be the evidence for my claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 05:12 PM
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Women don't want men to know just how ugly we are. Women want men to feel that their personality/job can make them attractive. If men knew how important it is to be good looking, men would be very wary of marriage, not because of the risk of divorce, but because men don't want to be a woman's second choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 04:47 PM
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Yes sex is less costly for men, so we have evolved to have higher sex drives. Giving women testosterone would raise their sex drives, but it would also make them less attractive, so it's a double edged sword.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 04:42 PM
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The internet is far more objective/reliable than the poisonous mainstream media. Reddit is a mainstream site, but there are plenty of unique opinions here. I'm surprised you would mention 'pickup artists' as examples of good advice. PUA is a scam and many of those infield videos are faked.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:50 AM
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Yes this is a very good post. If you aren't chad, your only value to women is as a beta provider. Being smart and hardworking may make you valuable to society but the only way to be valuable to women is to be born chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:45 AM
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It's good that men (I assume you are a man) are starting to understand what women have dealt with for thousands of years. You don't want sex with people you find ugly? I don't blame you. If women want commitment/marriage, it almost always entails having sex with men they find ugly. Incel means that you can't find someone you are truly happy with at even your minimum standards. By this definition 99% of women are potential incels, because 99% of women find their partners ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:40 AM
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Well yes, the top 20% are the men women see as being above average, in order for a man to be attractive he must be in the top 1-2%. Dataclysm Okcupid
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:33 AM
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Nobody denies that ugly men can have sex with hot women by using, status/money. The point is that women do not find these men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:26 AM
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Attractive men are rare and have multiple women chasing him, women know this and try to make life as easy for chad as possible. Besides, attraction is based on face + height, not personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:24 AM
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Getting laid=/= women finding you sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:22 AM
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There is no such thing as men 'generating attraction' in women. As a man, either you are chad (approx 1% of men) in which case women will aggressively chase you and worship you, or you are non chad, in which case you have to hope for some form of beta providing/being settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 01:00 AM
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Thank you! TRP is essentially game/PUA 2.0, which is why they ignore the halo effect in order to keep men in the claws of what I call the Romance Industrial Complex (RIC). Chad is attractive because of his face and his height. Personality is meaningless, even having muscles doesn't turn a non chad into chad, the FA's over at the misc section of bodybuilding.com will testify to that. Miscers are constantly complaining about 'skinnyfat twinks' being chased by women, many of them will swallow a bit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 12:29 AM
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Do you lurk on sluthate/lookism.net by any chance? There is some good stuff on there. I agree with your point about mgtow. Mgtow is a coping mechanism for the 95% of men who women do not want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 11:11 PM
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There is a great book that's been floating around for a while now: Pandora's Box: The Men's Sexual Revolution I strongly recommend it, I would put it up there with Esther Vilar's The Manipulated Man as one of the best books about feminism/gender issues. This is a good post and it sums up my thoughts entirely. I think it should be acknowledged that men are not the only ones who struggle with dating. Look at this thread on the Forever Alone Women subreddit Women can get relationships easily, but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 09:55 PM
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What do you mean by peak hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 09:33 PM
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Looks trumps all. Money is good for buying her handbags, but it will not make a woman aroused.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 09:29 PM
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This post is very true, and this happens with all issues: gender, race, economics, war etc. People don't want to be lied to, they practically demand it...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 05:52 PM
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Well De Beers is a major diamond retailer and the initial capital at it's founding was provided by the Rothschilds, a jewish banking family.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 05:37 PM
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Yes, but only with plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 04:47 PM
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It all comes back to the Romance Industrial Complex and their favourite lie that 'looks don't matter to women'. Diamond sellers, matchmakers and wage slave drivers all have one thing in common. They all need men to believe you can, 'compensate' for not being a chad. Women rely on this lie; do you think most men would be happy to marry, knowing that their wife finds them repulsive? The MRM relies on men believing it too; where else would they receive their donations if men actually knew why women…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 04:40 PM
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Yes but at the end of the day personality does not influence physical attraction. Lets be honest now, how much variation in personality is there really? Good looking people stand out much more than 'charismatic' people and I think we all know this deep down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 12:23 PM
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The halo effect trumps all. Good looking people are always rated as being nicer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 12:00 PM
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Yes this is correct. Women use the non-existent idea of 'personality' to rationalise why they find certain men attractive and most other men unattractive. there is no male archetype that is attractive to all, or even most, women. I disagree. The actual cause of the whole nice guy/bad boy idea is the fact that only a small percentage of men are attractive to women. These men therefore are given numerous options, some of them take advantage; leading to the idea that women want 'bad boys'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 10:15 AM
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It is a numbers game, but lets be clear that women are ultimately doing the selecting. Women generally approach the small minority of men they actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:58 AM
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This post is really good. I would say that the overwhelming majority of men (90%) are either betas or omegas. Attractive men are very rare, and so are rich/famous men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:50 AM
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Personality is meaningless when it comes to dating, physical attraction is determined by a person's appearance and nothing else. The whole nice-guy/bad-boy meme is the dating advice equivalent of a limited hangout. Women, dating coaches, TRP and all the other members of the Romance Industrial Complex go along with the fake 'nice guy,bad boy dynamic', to prevent men from finding out a far darker truth. The truth is: if you are not chad, a woman will never desire, she will never chase you, she wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:35 AM
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yeah agreed, I don't think game really exists to be honest
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:27 AM
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eww twitter
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:06 AM
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This is very very true, all female commentary on dating (just be yourself, just be confident, approach me etc.) is aimed at attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:04 AM
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Both women and men want an attractive partner, everything else: status, money etc. is due to seeking someone from the same socioeconomic background. Women and men have similar priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:10 PM
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I'm not blaming anyone, I just think that dating/relationships would be better for both genders if men were as attractive as women, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 06:55 PM
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ok fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:03 PM
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Dating websites are a microcosm of real life. If anything we are more honest on dating websites because we don't have to worry about judgement. I don't support the red pill, I think that 'blue pill' dating advice is perfectly fine, the only thing missing is the acknowledgment that most men 80-90%, probably need plastic surgery, so they can look like chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:01 PM
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It is this graph that makes me feel that women only find a small percentage of men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 04:38 PM
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Men who only pay attention to hot women are arguably worse than women who chase chad. Women chase chad because he is the only man they find sexually attractive, in this sense it is perfectly understandable why they may chase chad. Men can find a much wider range of women attractive, which makes chasing only the hottest women a losing game for non-chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 02:38 PM
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Of course there is no conspiracy, it is simply biology. Women are hardwired to find only a small percentage of men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 11:17 AM
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Men are not the only ones who suffer, women also suffer as they have to settle with partners who they don't find physically attractive. Giving all men free plastic surgery and leg lengthening surgery would solve a lot of problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 11:14 AM
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Thanks, I got the idea whilst reading this book: Pandora's Box. The Men's Sexual Revolution. It is a great book, it should be on the TBP sidebar as it's the only book that truly 'debunks' dread game, shit testing and all the other unpopular trp ideas. The guy who wrote it also has a blog.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 03:37 AM
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Ok well it is supported by the okcupid study to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 12:44 AM
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I agree with you. The overwhelming majority of men (95%) will never receive the validation that they want from women. Men don't just want sex, men want to feel desired by women. This unfortunately, is only possible for the attractive 5% of men. Most of the results are extremely left leaning filled with political correctness and with the goal of not offending women. Mainstream dating advice has to avoid stepping on the toes of men too. Men don't like being told that women are just as visual as me…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 12:24 AM
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Well I'm not trying to comment on your personal situation, but I do genuinely think that most women find their husbands unattractive. This graph gives an example of what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 12:04 AM
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Women tend to mostly select boys/men they find attractive when they are younger. Plenty of women date/marry men they find unattractive for the sake of money/companionship/family. Insecurity about one's looks is not only natural but probably sensible, a person's looks are the biggest factor in determining their dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:53 PM
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ok well fair enough, although if you were worried that your boyfriends would get bored of you, the chances are you found them attractive at least to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:38 PM
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Let me show you this picture that shows the natural sexuality of women. Compare it to this picture you see why there are problems with marriage? Most women (90-95%) do not find their partners physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:31 PM
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It probably makes things harder for both genders. Men feel as though they have to dance like a monkey to impress their partners, because in most relationships the woman is more attractive than the man and therefore has more options to cheat. Women feel unfulfilled because they have to settle for a partner who doesn't arouse them sexually, but are told they are being 'shallow' if they dare complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:27 PM
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On an evolutionary level, we would expect women to find their partners unattractive. Women can only get pregnant once every 9 months and risk death when they eventually do give birth. Women have evolved to have a much more selective mating strategy than men. This is why women tend to chase a relatively small percentage of men, in their younger years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:24 PM
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Even if your experience is representative, even if it is possible for men and women to find someone more attractive due to their personality, it still means that men have to work much harder than women to maintain a relationship. Women find men much less attractive than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:14 PM
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You make a good point about the profile text, of course the profile text doesn't change how we see the picture. But my point is that the text, didn't make any impact on how we rated the profile. Essentially, the text is less than 10% of what people think of you. The halo effect happens in real life too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:11 PM
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I really don't agree, your first impression of a person is their appearance, after that you tend to rationalise any behaviour in either favourable or unfavourable terms. Hot guy is shy= mysterious, sensitive. Average/ugly guy is shy= basement dweller If men could only realise that we are simply unappealing to women, then there would be no need for TRP, PUA, or even feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:01 PM
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I don't think the halo effect works both ways, we have a more favourable view of people who are good looking. Do you really think that a short man can suddenly seem tall, just because he's nice? Can a man who is bald seem like he has a full head of hair, just because he's funny? Okcupid actually tested to see whether a profile text had an impact on how a profile was rated, it didn't. 'If a woman really likes a man, can depend on him'- then she will think of him as a good friend. In order for a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 10:40 PM
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I agree that women may get to know a man on a more personal basis and find out that they are nice, funny etc. But that is not the same thing as finding a man physically attractive. In any case, how we evaluate a person's personality is basically dependent on their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 10:25 PM
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From this chart from the okcupid study 'Your looks and your inbox'. And also this chart from the book 'Dataclysm'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 10:16 PM
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To be fair I think you have a point, life long monogamy is probably not natural, thats likely why we congratulate couples who stay together for 30, 40 years etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 08:49 PM
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Understanding each other is important yes, but there must be mutual attraction present in order for things to go smoothly. If a woman finds her husband physically attractive (rare) it is unlikely she will get bored of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 08:15 PM
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Any relationship where both partners find each other physically attractive is probably better than 95% of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 07:56 PM
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Women are passive because they gain little from being aggressive. Women are a lot more attractive than men, therefore women can rely on being pursued by men. Women are very aggressive when it comes to chad though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 01:40 AM
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Oh really, I would have thought that terpers would despise the okcupid study to promote game, anyway that gives me food for thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 09:01 PM
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TRP still espouses the idea of men making themselves more attractive using game/status. I've never seen anyone on TRP say that women only find 5% of men physically attractive, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 07:57 PM
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TRP, PUA, MHRM are all designed to make men hate women. They do this by only pointing out the real problems faced by men without mentioning the cause, which is this: Women are sexy, men are ugly Until this is widely acknowledged, no progress will be made by any anti-feminist movements.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 05:10 PM
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Ok I will try and find a study of sub-saharan africans.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 03:35 PM
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Ok this study is on African Americans
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 02:51 PM
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What do you mean by linked? Are you referring to the Halo effect, or do you mean that being funny makes a man/woman more physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 02:23 PM
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Me personally? I'm not sure. Either way, we should be careful to separate physical attraction from finding that a person is nice/friendly. Finding out that a man is funny/sociable does not make him more physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 02:17 PM
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Well okay, I always hear this idea of women finding men more attractive as they get to know them, but it doesn't seem to match the evidence. Personality=Looks When I say women only want sex with chads, that doesn't mean that women only have sex with chad, it simply means that chad is the only man women find physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 02:02 PM
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This is what the poster means, women have about the same sex drive as men to be honest, but they only want sex with chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 01:57 PM
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African Americans have about 20% european admixture so it might not apply to them. African women have become slightly more intelligent than African men, however, who have become the more physically attractive sex. It is from the book Erectus Walks Amongst Us. Chapter 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 01:56 PM
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If we focus on white men, white men also have a much wider IQ distribution than white women. This difference explains why white men have made a much greater contribution to science than white women. It doesn't seem to apply much to the other races though, for example black women are actually more intelligent than black men... With regards to sex drive, may I point out this much maligned graph. From this graph, it looks like less than 1% of men are rated as being at or near most attractive. Which…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 01:41 PM
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Irrelevant, the president is a puppet anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 11:45 AM
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Just another PUA scammer selling men the lie that 'looks don't matter' in order to pay his mortgage...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 10:37 PM
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Yes, but it's not just mothers, the whole media is trying to convince men that they can compensate with money/game. The lie that appearance doesn't matter for men produces a lot of money for deBeers, PUA, matchmaking services etc. A guy named Booker T Cox wrote a good book on this topic Pandora's Box: Men's Sexual Revolution
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 10:21 PM
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Agreed, all things being equal, having social skills is definitely better than not having them. The issue is when people believe that social skills can become a substitute for being good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 10:11 PM
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No, if a guy can't get any women at all, it simply means he isn't good looking enough. Looks=personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 11:08 AM
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The whole nice guy phenomenon is summed up very nicely by author Booker T Cox. 'The real reason why “Nice Guys” are given such a bad reputation among women is because they are typically physically unattractive and trying to make up for that with their personality, yet have nothing else of value to offer as adequate compensation for the lack of physical attraction. Personality alone is worthless. Attraction is either there within the first minute of meeting or it isn't. That's the difficult reali…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 11:00 AM
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I don't like the whole statistic of '20% of the men get 80% of the women' it is very unsophisticated and difficult to prove. In the real world, most people are not involved in the casual hook-up scene and most sex takes place within relationships. What I do see however is evidence of what I call the 95/5 rule, where the top 5% of attractive men are constantly chased and lusted after by women and the remaining 95% end up in relationships with women who don't desire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 10:51 AM
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The contraceptive pill is responsible. It would benefit men in the long term, if women only entered relationships with men they find attractive; it would save a lot of men from painful divorces or unhappy marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 10:46 AM
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This is the right idea, never spend time on a woman who doesn't find you physically attractive. Looksmattertowomen blog
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 10:42 AM
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Yes, men seem to confuse a relationship based on desire with a relationship based on prostitution. Men probably evolved this way to strengthen the pair bond with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 01:50 AM
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Exactly, I don't understand why this is so difficult for people to grasp.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 12:17 PM
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Hmm yes you make a good point. But women have evolved to find certain types of faces attractive. A masculine face is generally a good predictor of testosterone levels, this is what would produce healthy children in ancient times.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 03:31 PM
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Precisely, the mating strategies of men and women are mutually contradictory, so their will always be some disagreement between the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 03:11 PM
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No need to be jealous of women, yes they can get relationships easily, but they will almost never be sexually attracted to their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 10:45 AM
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World 4 is the ideal, but it would require men being given the plastic surgery and/or hormone treatment to improve their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 05:40 AM
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Women don't know what they want, and asking them for dating advice is just not effective. I disagree, women know exactly what they want, they want genes from the most physically attractive man and commitment from a smart, hard-working man. If anything it's men who don't know what they want. Men claim to want dating advice from women, yet any women who is honest about wanting a man who is tall, handsome and muscular is quickly shouted down with: Women are so shallow! Women these days are so evil …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 05:32 AM
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I'm not a redpiller no, the red pill ignores the importance of physical attraction and places too much emphasis on social skills/game. Men are naturally fearful of being tricked into raising another man's child; promiscuous women are regarded as more likely to cheat, so these women will be seen as too risky for long term relationships by some men. The reason women have evolved to have a dual mating strategy (Alpha fucks, Beta Bucks) is for her children to essentially get the best of both worlds.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 05:21 AM
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If men were as attractive as women then there would be no problems. The problems with dating/relationships are caused by the fact that women are much more attractive than men and also have higher standards. Unfortunately, evolution has condemned most men to a life of unsatisfying relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 05:00 AM
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No I'm not white I'm black.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 03:53 AM
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Yes exactly. Its a shame that we now have all this divisive MRA vs Feminism and TRP vs BP. It would be much easier to simply explain to men that they are mostly ugly; plastic surgery should be made freely available to all men who aren't chads. A guy named Booker T Cox wrote a book about this topic: Pandora's Box Mens Sexual Revolution He also has a blog
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 01:28 AM
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Yes, individual freedom has increased greatly as a result of countless technological innovations that have increased our wealth. Women are much more attractive than men, this makes it easier to get a relationship/sex, however unfortunately, women only find 10% of men attractive. I'm not sure how women are doing relative to men in general however it is fair to say that contrary to what TRP claims, women find dating just as difficult as men, though for different reasons. Women can get relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 07:15 PM
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Negative stereotypes based on facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 02:03 PM
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No there are no pitfalls of being black. In the USA, blacks enjoy affirmative action. Blacks also have the whole mainstream media constantly defending them and making excuses for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:01 PM
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Anyone can get sex, but only chad, born with ideal height and perfect face, can get the validation of genuine desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 12:32 PM
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Women having sex with man =/= woman physically attracted to man. This is the crux of the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 12:30 PM
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Game may help a very shy guy who happens to be in the top 10% of most attractive men. But there is no such thing as personality/game/status making a man more physically attractive. We evaluate a persons personality based on how good looking they are. It doesn't bother me that women only find 10% of men attractive. It bothers me that so many people would choose to ignore this truth in favour of believing that men have to use manipulative 'dread game' or other rubbish. I'm glad you mentioned the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 12:27 PM
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I know of a group: Black men. Black men are probably the most privileged group in the world. Black men commit much more rape/murder than any other demographic of men and yet nobody ever criticises black men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 12:19 PM
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Yes, masculinity is in crisis, men naturally desire validation from women, it is one of our core needs. Since the overwhelming majority of men are ugly (90% approx) the only way for men to get validation from women was to serve as providers. Women are gaining increasing economic independence/freedom, (this is a good thing) but it means that men will no longer be valued as providers. In the future, increasing numbers of men will find themselves desiring validation from women and not being able to…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 12:08 PM
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It doesn't matter whether your slept with chad, or is a virgin: if you aren't chad, she won't love you. If you aren't chad and you want to get married, get plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 10:25 AM
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Personality is meaningless- it doesn't exist. http://i.imgur.com/qlvLS1g.png
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 10:21 AM
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Yes this is exactly what I see in the real world. Hot guy is shy= mysterious, sophisticated lone wolf. Average guy is shy= creepy virgin neckbeard.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 09:48 AM
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To be fair I don't think my views reflect that of this sub. White men have made something like 98% of all scientific achievements. This is from page 269 from [Charles Murray's Human Accomplishment] (https://www.gwern.net/docs/2003-murray-human-accomplishment.pdf) Whites are clearly the most important race in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 11:09 PM
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This is simply a consequence of men being guaranteed a wife, but yes, in times of less wealth (such as 200 years ago), sexuality tends to be constrained.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 11:01 PM
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oh whoops it is actually 12,000 years
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 10:59 PM
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No of course not, the only men who can have any kind of sex life, beyond relationships, are the top 10% of men face/height wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:37 PM
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No such thing as Alpha and Beta. The attractiveness of a man is determined by two things, his face and his height. 'girls do not see being a douchebag as a positive trait' This is true, in fact women love the idea of a chad who is humble/chad, they see him as a catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:35 PM
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I don't think women are sickened by sluts: they just dislike the fact that sluts expose just how visual women are, and the fact that 90% of men are not physically appealing to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:31 PM
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The world could do with more white supremacy to be honest, but that is not the point, the point is this: Under monogamy, women are selected for attractiveness and men are selected for intelligence. Under polygamy, women are selected for intelligence and men are selected for attractiveness. You see those tall handsome men walking around who get all the women chasing them? 40,000 years ago, before the introduction of marriage, they were probably a lot more common. Monogamy makes men progressively …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:15 PM
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Brad Pitt in his prime would be my example
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:57 PM
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Yes I completely agree with your post, in my opinion both BP and TRP are tying to put band aids on a wound. The simple fact is: women are far more sexually appealing to men than vice versa. All things being equal, this is bound to cause a power imbalance between men and women. There is a really good book on this topic below called: Pandora's Box: The Men's Sexual Revolution
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:55 PM
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Ah yes I see what you mean. Women definitely underrate their looks, while men tend to overrate theirs. It is probably an evolutionary adaptation, men lose little from overestimating their looks, however if a woman overestimates her looks, she may accidentally have sex with a cad who leaves, rather than a beta who stays. Yes 2's can get dates, anyone can get dates, the real question for men is whether they can get genuine sexual attraction, the answer seems to be mostly no, for all but 5-10% of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:50 PM
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Yes exactly, I don't blame women for doing this by the way, it must be very unpleasant to only truly desire 10% of the opposite sex. Women know that men like to think of themselves as attractive, so they feed men's ego by pretending that personality matters. In the words of women, any man can be handsome as long as he is funny/sociable! I wonder when men will realise that not only do looks matter for men, but that women have far higher standards than men...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:30 PM
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It is easier to trick an average looking man into believing that he is the 'man of her dreams' because he has likely never seen how women behave when they find a man physically attractive. I agree that women seem to be interested in average looking men. It makes sense, average looking men have fewer options and may be more keen to enter a relationship. Is this interest sexual? Do women find these men physically attractive? No. They go after them, not because of genuine desire, but because they c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:26 PM
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It is from the book Erectus Walks Amongst Us. African men have a more k-selected reproductive strategy. This entails having many children with different numbers of women, in other words, polygamy. African women have become slightly more intelligent than African men, however, who have become the more physically attractive sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:21 PM
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But the study is specifically about looks, I can't see anything about profile text/personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:13 PM
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This is the best comment in the whole thread, no man wants to be settled for. Women instinctively know this, which is why they downplay just how ugly men generally are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:12 PM
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Is there any evidence that men are more visual than women. I don't think there is, when people evaluate attractiveness, they are looking at their appearance. Having money/status may make a man a better partner/father, but this does not affect how sexually desirable he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:01 PM
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Who cares about messaging? I would be insulted if a women messaged me saying: * I deem you to be below average in looks, but I have messaged you anyway because I can't get the 10% of men who I actually find attractive* This study is controversial because it exposes the obvious truth that most men are ugly to women, I know it hurts, but it is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:59 PM
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No I'm sorry but this is not true, women universally desire a small handful of men, between 5 and 10%, to be precise. It is a myth that there's 'someone for everyone' there isn't. Assortative mating is not natural, the natural state of sex/relationships is for women to share a small percentage of 'chads' and leave the rest of the men with nothing. Marriage is a form of sexual socialism designed to circumvent women's natural repulsion towards average looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:39 PM
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Well we have had about 30,000 years of monogamy. In a system of monogamy if there is any choosing, women tend to be chosen on the basis of sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:34 PM
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oh ok yes fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:10 PM
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You know guys with no job who are married? Christ, chads always win don't they...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:07 PM
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Ok, body is important to men, but women tend to care more about the face, from what I have seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:06 PM
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I think I need to clarify my point. Mannerisms and body language etc. are all important and interesting, but this is completely separate to what makes a man sexy. Do women care about personality? Sure they do. But having a nice personality does not make a man physically attractive, it simply means she will want him as a provider/father.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 04:20 PM
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This is exactly the reason why men are tricked into believing they are attractive when in reality only 10% of men, or less, are physically appealing to women. If men knew that they are mostly ugly they wouldn't be willing to spend 3 months salary on a wedding to impress their partner, nor would they be willing to spend thousands on dating advice/ PUA bootcamps. I call it the Romance Industrial Complex (RIC), the RIC relies on men either believing that looks don't matter at all, or that an ugly m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 04:15 PM
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This is self evident, attractive people receive more validation from the opposite sex throughout their whole lives and will thus be more confident. It is called the Halo effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 03:58 PM
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Women will want a husband with status, yes. But status does not make a man physically appealing. In order for a man to be physically appealing to a woman he must be tall and have a good face.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 03:55 PM
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Good post. However I respectfully disagree. This article is specifically referring to your looks and your inbox, I don't think there is any mention of profile text. It might be true that men put in less effort into their pictures, but we would need to see a very large sample to confirm this theory. As we know men are more visual, and this is probably what the difference in ratings is telling us. Women prefer handsome men over rich men Anyone who wants to read more about this should look at: Pand…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 03:50 PM
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are you black?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:06 AM
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Yes. Feminism was never about helping women. It is about making life harder for white men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 08:59 PM
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Yes. All things being equal, women would rather share a chad, than settle with an average looking man who doesn't turn her on. This is why we have marriage. The institution of marriage is not based on love, but is designed to provide social stability through sexual socialism. Romantic love in marriage is a new concept that was created for the sole purpose of separating men from their hard earned cash. The only men who know romantic love are chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 03:00 PM
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This is a controversial topic, because men do not want to admit that for the most part, women find us ugly. PUAs, mainstream dating advice and consumer culture in general all rely on men believing that they can 'buy' affection with trinkets, or by using 'game'. That is why this essential aspect of female sexuality is hidden, even by the so called 'red pillers', who for the most part, are just PUA 2.0, with a focus on 'inner game'. There is no love without sexual attraction. TRP talks a good game…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 02:33 PM
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The only dating advice men need to hear is 'be a chad', if you are not chad, get plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 02:18 PM
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Thanks for your reply, I hadn't actually thought of those points.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 12:32 PM
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Observe first, a notorious survey from 2009. The results confirmed what evolutionary psychologists had known for decades. When men rate women, their ratings followed a bell curve. However when women rate men, the distribution resembled the power law. *Women rate 80% of men as below median, with only the top 1% coming close to the standard of ‘most attractive’. * This study confirmed what any observant person already knew: women are sexier than men and a lot more picky too. But women don’t care t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 04:12 AM
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Men need to learn the difference between 'a relationship of convenience' based on a cold hearted exchange of resources, and genuine love based on physical attraction. The latter is only experienced by the top 10% of attractive men. If you are not in this group, forget about being loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 10:50 AM
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https://looksmattertowomen.wordpress.com/ This blog has some interesting info on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:32 AM
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Yes, red pill and blue pill are just as bad as each other. They both ignore the realities of biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 02:32 PM
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This is accurate, men live to serve women essentially- whether we like it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 03:45 PM
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Minority groups are more entitled than women. Not only do they tone police mercilessly, to the point where scientists can't discuss obvious differences between the races, but they then DEMAND, that white people find them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 10:11 AM
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Yes this is correct, there is truly a world of difference between how women treat the 10% of men they find attractive and how they treat an average man. This stark dichotomy is probably what caused the rise of PUA and more recently TRP. Love exists, but only if your partner finds you physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 09:42 AM
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Women are more than happy to aggressively pursue the 5% of men they find sexually attractive. Do men pursue women they find unattractive? Of course not. Women are no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:48 PM
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There is a correlation between wealth and being physically attractive so that could be the reason. I haven't examined the study though so I am only speculating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 11:08 PM
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This is a half truth. Women only find about 10% of men attractive, so those men will inevitably have many women chasing them. When a woman sees a man with a girlfriend, it doesn't make her find him more physically attractive. It simply makes her wonder whether he has money and/or status that may make him useful to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:00 PM
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Yes, women only find about 5-10% of men attractive. This is a truth most people will deny.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:37 PM
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Ok, yes I agree women want nice men. Bottom line is however, if a man is not in the top 10% of looks he is not attractive in the physical sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:34 AM
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If you gained weight then yes you would no longer be attractive, but this is partly because your face would be adversely affected by the weight gain. People in general, regardless of what they say are not attracted to 'personality', we are designed to seek a partner of high genetic quality. This means face/height for men. Good looking men are rare, they probably make up about 10% at most of young men. As a result they can behave how they like because women know these men have options. In any cas…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:03 AM
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Gain muscles because it makes you fit and healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 12:56 AM
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Blacks have a lower average IQ and higher levels of testosterone, so yes, black people are naturally more violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 06:05 PM
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The real red pill is that 'personality' doesn't exist. How attractive you are is 100% due to your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 05:53 PM
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