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| 23 | Ben Shapiro Not A Fan Of Fashion Freedom For Men (Kulinski)Kyle Kulinski does a nice takedown of "libertarian" Ben Shapiro being fine with local ordinances banning men from adopting traditionally feminine clothing … although Ben is perfectly fine with women dressing in pants that are basically indistinguishable from (what used to be considered) men's. Kyle also usefully points out a number of fashion trends where what was considered 'masculine' and what was considered 'feminine' flipped over the years. Kyle doesn't bring this up, but Ben's stance strike… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/23 07:08 PM |
| 7 | Many of the biggest feminist organizations in USA and other countries have written an open letter to support Amber heard despite the availability of incriminating evidence( videos) where Heard admitted to hitting Depp.I think it's important to highlight how utterly one-sided the NBC News article is. I've seen more even-handedness given to climate change deniers than to the people challenging the sexist view of domestic violence epitomized by the people who want to whitewash Amber Heard. Both the pro-Heard side and the pro-Depp side are referred to as "supporters" of their respective celebrity torchbearers. Fair enough. But the pro-Heard team is also referred to as "activists," "organizations in the field of w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/22 12:35 AM |
| 10 | In 2011, 2 researchers at the university of toronto found a very strong positive correlation between oral contraceptive and prostate cancer. the media ignored it, and the two researches have since been essentially ghostedI was scratching my head reading the title trying to figure out if my mate using an oral contraceptive was supposed to somehow increase my rate of prostate cancer. Like, how? But apparently it shows a correlation between a society's overall use of oral contraception and prostate cancer in that society. (The mechanism here presumably being estrogen exposure through water or food.) So it seems to point more towards the need for better water treatment facilities than anything. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/11/22 09:12 PM |
| 2 | Getting down to brass tacks: what oppressions DID women deal with in the past, by your estimation?That certainly seems plausible, though I don't have enough info to endorse the notion outright. (I'm not sure anyone does.) At least one psychologist I've read has said that he believes the average person growing up in the 19th century experienced what we today would regard as childhood abuse. If that's true, it does raise questions about how "safe" the domestic environment really was back then. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/22 08:03 AM |
| 2 | Getting down to brass tacks: what oppressions DID women deal with in the past, by your estimation?Yeah. Plus the early development of gynecology during that time was inordinately gruesome, if my memory of reading I did in college serves me correctly. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/22 07:54 AM |
| 5 | Getting down to brass tacks: what oppressions DID women deal with in the past, by your estimation?I'm not making the argument you seem to think I'm making. I'm simply pointing out a rather glaring inaccuracy in the picture being painted of how each gender experienced the past. Life in the past held very real hazards for both men and women, and stating that women's lives were 'boring but safe' glosses over the occasionally dire risks women routinely encountered which biology spared men. And while "natural biology" was the key contributor to the specific risk that women faced, it was mediated … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/22 01:45 AM |
| 8 | Getting down to brass tacks: what oppressions DID women deal with in the past, by your estimation?The woman would generally speaking, be expected to maintain the home, cook and do domestic chores. Very little danger, but also very little excitement, aside from the social group she might belong to. Giving birth was pretty dangerous. (The article points out that when doctors first began intervening with birth during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the process actually became more dangerous for rich women — who had the doctors — than for the lower class women who continued to rely on mi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/22 09:03 AM |
| 9 | Is There A ‘Right To Sex’? | Krystal Kyle & Friends PodcastThis was a good video. Kyle isn't perfect when it comes to gender issues IMHO but I'd be hard pressed to name anyone better who has as high a profile (and who doesn't specifically focus on gender). Krystal is probably pretty good too given her general approach to political issues but I haven't heard her talk much about gender specifically (outside of this vid) to know for sure. It's refreshing to hear their takes, given that there are quite a few on the genuinely left side of the spectrum (like … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/22 04:47 AM |
| 4 | Men, Intimacy & The "Right to Sex" - Between The Scenes | The Daily ShowAttractive people looking their best, shamelessly dancing, acting sexually towards each other, just generally experiencing what people experience at those kinds of places. Except you. You're not, because you don't know the magic spell to make yourself believe you're worth their attention. I do think the only real solution is to get out there and try to be social, but it's counterproductive when it fails, making you feel even more justified in thinking it's all just a miserable embarrassing anxie… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/10/22 06:09 PM |
| 13 | Republican Governors Get Paid To Keep Men In Jail (Kyle Kulinski)As most on this sub know, prison is an issue that overwhelmingly affects men. Kyle Kulinski details how the private prison industry is funding Republican governors who are resisting President Biden's lead when it comes to pardoning those convicted of marijuana possession. It's a good reminder to always remain extremely skeptical of claims that the right wing is either 'pro-men' or 'pro-freedom.' I had some difficulty in trying to quickly find sources showing the gender breakdown of prisoners aff… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/22 08:45 PM |
| 4 | Switzerland discriminating against men on pension benefits, ECHR finds"Adding drama" and, I strongly suspect, deliberately reframing the issue away from what's really central: official, legal bias against men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/22 08:03 PM |
| 18 | Switzerland discriminating against men on pension benefits, ECHR findsThe Swiss government is discriminating against men in its rules on pension benefits, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) has found. Finally! Some official recognition of legal bias against men. The decision is expected to reopen a long-running debate in Switzerland about … And it looks like even Switzerland and the BBC are going to have to come to grips with— … how much power European judges should have over domestic law. Fuck. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/10/22 02:02 AM |
| 3 | Complex problems deserve complex answersFor every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. —HL Mencken Good post. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/22 08:40 PM |
| 17 | We have to really discuss ways to improve our movement.I like the basic point of your post (i.e. let's talk about how men's issues are perceived and what we can do to change that). That said, I fundamentally disagree with some of your premises. Yes, [dating] a very valid and important issue and there's nothing wrong with discussing it, but I sincerely do not feel like it's a men's human rights issue, and more of a life and personal issue. Couldn't disagree more. No amount of self improvement will solve the social issue of romantically peripheralized… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/22 03:28 PM |
| 5 | Neoteknokraterna have taken a stance to criminalise circumcision for the upcoming Swedish electionWhile I think most people associate the left with the liberal egalitarian. There is such a thing as the authoritarian left. Yes, there is, but the fact that this 'neotechnocratic party' wants to take the vote away from 'uneducated' people — who, let's face it, will be overwhelmingly poor — is pretty compelling evidence that it isn't 'left' at all, authoritarian or otherwise. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/09/22 10:49 PM |
| 18 | Neoteknokraterna have taken a stance to criminalise circumcision for the upcoming Swedish electionWhile your specific anti-circumcision stance deserves applause, in two minutes of research i found that while supposedly being in favor of individual rights, you're opposed to the legalization of marijuana (wha?) and want to institute some kind of elitist rule where only those that "know enough" are allowed to vote. In short, your 'neotechnocratic party' completely botches the 'left wing' aspect of 'left wing male advocacy'. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/09/22 04:48 AM |
| 2 | Barbara Ehrenreich, Feminism, and Abu GhraigI became disillusioned with Ehrenreich when reading The Hearts of Men, which supposedly took an empathetic look at men but which I found to be profoundly lacking in empathy towards them. Its viewpoint was nevertheless considerably more nuanced than that of many other feminist firebrands writing at the time. While others here have pointed out the inegalitarian mindset which still seems to underlie Ehrenreich's view of men in the posted article about Abu Ghraib, I think the article at least repres… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/22 07:52 AM |
| 1 | Is enlightened, tolerant, reaching-the-tribe-divide gender discourse feasible today?I guess I'm not sure I know what you mean by "mass market." I do think that many social media platforms seem to subtly (or not so subtly) encourage tribalism, so I guess I agree with the gist of your comment if what you're saying is good faith discourse can be difficult to promote. I find the latter part of your comment a bit problematic. Bad faith actors will often label good faith discourse from the other side as bad faith … but then good faith actors will do the same when confronted with bad … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/08/22 10:58 PM |
| 4 | Is enlightened, tolerant, reaching-the-tribe-divide gender discourse feasible today?I think you need option 2 for productive egalitarian discourse. Bad faith actors and trolls will inflame the merely aggrieved and 'misinformed-at-normal-levels' to make it virtually impossible for those of good faith to cut through the crap and have discussions that lead to potential agreement and insight. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/22 10:42 AM |
| 1 | Feminism is not the problem. Gender roles are. Although separate from it, the men's movement should try to form alliances with feminism when we can.Lol. Fair enough. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/08/22 08:37 AM |
| 1 | Feminism is not the problem. Gender roles are. Although separate from it, the men's movement should try to form alliances with feminism when we can.I don't think it would change significantly right away, but I think in time the 'wins' we get would make a real difference. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/08/22 08:27 AM |
| 1 | Feminism is not the problem. Gender roles are. Although separate from it, the men's movement should try to form alliances with feminism when we can.Great post. I particularly agree that we need to be extremely cautious about sliding into an 'us vs. them' mentality, which will drive away potentially open-minded allies. I agree with many critiques here about the anti-egalitarian attitudes and policies often pushed by leading feminist pundits, but I think our being seen as stridently anti-feminist actually strengthens the hands of those anti-male feminists who wield so much influence in today's feminist movement. It makes it very easy for them… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/08/22 11:13 AM |
| 2 | Don’t be too cynical. DO something.I have mixed feelings about this post, though I think it's good. My main issue is its criticism of negativity. On the one hand, I agree that excessive negativity and fatalism can be damaging to a political movement. On the other hand, I think people align with a group/movement not just out of some utilitarian desire to achieve a goal. They also want to be a part of something where they can be more authentic. I think this is particularly important for men, because our culture — most cultures, fra… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/08/22 10:21 AM |
| 3 | Krystal Ball Analyses How Dominant 'Neoliberal Feminism' Has Alienated Younger Gender EgalitariansIf feminism's goal is equality, why do they get so upset that some gender egalitarian people are not willing to call themselves feminists anymore? There are dissident feminists who are not upset about this. I would wager that Krystal, Lace Green, Christina Hoff Sommers, and Camille Paglia aren't bothered at all. But I think many mainstream and radical feminists are unhappy because egalitarians embrace the avowed goals of feminism and thus threaten the chokehold that mainstream feminism has on mo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/22 04:54 PM |
| 8 | Krystal Ball Analyses How Dominant 'Neoliberal Feminism' Has Alienated Younger Gender EgalitariansI tend to agree with the gist of your comment, but I would add two important qualifiers. It is not "feminists" who view themselves as infallible, but mainstream feminist pundits. Also, they don't dismiss all criticism … in fact, you can find some lively discussion about the appropriate feminist response to pornography, the treatment of women of color, trans issues, etc. They do by and large dismiss criticisms of their views of men, though. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/22 04:27 PM |
| 1 | Krystal Ball Analyses How Dominant 'Neoliberal Feminism' Has Alienated Younger Gender EgalitariansGynocentric feminists have been trying to do that but I think the survey results Krystal talks about indicate that they are failing more often these days. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/22 04:16 PM |
| 30 | Krystal Ball Analyses How Dominant 'Neoliberal Feminism' Has Alienated Younger Gender EgalitariansKrystal Ball of Breaking Points recently spoke about how younger voters are shying away from the "feminist" label, though they embrace the gender egalitarianism that has often (rightly or wrongly) been associated with that label in the past. She pins the blame on Hillary Clinton … or, more accurately, on the neoliberal feminism Hillary embodies. It seems that just as the ascendancy of neoliberalism has been a disaster for the Democratic Party (where neoliberal Democratic Party leaders have presi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/06/22 05:28 AM |
| 3 | Why many women choose the wrong partners, and how that benefits more traditional men… a lot like communism. Brilliant on paper, horrible in practice. I know this is a bit of a tangent but I see this a lot and feel like it's a myth that should be spiked. Communism is not brilliant in theory. People are naturally selfish and that's OK. If your economic theory or political ideal is based on everyone being unselfish, there is something seriously wrong with your theory. Now, I'm an avid fan of Bernie Sanders and social democracy. There is a huge difference between selfishness and gr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/22 12:27 AM |
| 2 | The scapegoating of male feministAgreed. Karen DeCrow — though not perfect — was also pretty principled in her approach to gender issues, judging from the occasional bits I've read about her. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/05/22 09:31 AM |
| 1 | The scapegoating of male feministwhat's the point of identifying with mainstream feminism? I don't. I'm an egalitarian feminist. At the same time, however, I'm opposed to vilifying feminism. There are bad faith mainstream feminists and good faith mainstream feminists. (It would probably be more accurate to say there's a spectrum of bad faith/good faith among feminists, just like in any group.) The 'bad faithers' either know they're being unfair to men and don't care, or just so resolutely embrace power they instinctively oppose… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/05/22 09:20 AM |
| 1 | The scapegoating of male feministYes, I agree with you that excessive judgmentalism affects both men and women. And I'm skeptical the feminist movement can help with that, as it only seems to be concerned about the issue when it adversely affects women. What do you think? I empathize with the skepticism. But I think shining a light on those double standards could help shift attitudes, as I've tried to do here and here at Feminist Critics. By the way, I didn't mean to imply I was some kind of Nancy Chodorow acolyte or something.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/22 08:38 AM |
| 2 | The scapegoating of male feministMainstream feminists often espouse an egalitarian vision. "Feminism is just about treating women as human beings." "Feminism just wants men and women to be treated equally." Etc. These seem like worthy goals to me (depending on how they're interpreted, of course). I never said anything about NOW or any other feminist organization living out this egalitarian vision. As I've already noted, I have often strongly criticized mainstream feminists for promoting what I think of as 'patriarchal feminism,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/22 08:02 AM |
| 3 | The scapegoating of male feministI'm not saying there's no room for dissident feminists. I just don't think that's the best use of our energy. I respect your view, though I disagree with it. I think it would be worthwhile to have a focused one-on-one discussion/debate about this some time, if that idea has any appeal. Feminist indoctrination is strong, and Cassie Jaye and Laci Green were not deconverted by dissident feminists, but by talking with unapologetic MRAs and egalitarian anti-feminists. I'm not 100% sure what "deconver… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/22 09:12 PM |
| 0 | The scapegoating of male feministDo you view yourself as left wing? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/22 08:52 PM |
| 8 | The scapegoating of male feministI don't use that particular label as an identifier, but I'm comfortable with the concept, with two very big caveats: • It's only valid as a statistical concept, i.e. it's more likely that a member of group A will suffer exploitation than a member of group B, and may have a better understanding of the social dynamics surrounding that oppression. It should never be used as a rhetorical device to bludgeon anyone in group B who dares to talk about or even disagree with someone from group A about tho… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/22 08:50 PM |
| 3 | The scapegoating of male feministNo, not in the west (i.e. Europe and North America). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/22 08:38 PM |
| 7 | The scapegoating of male feministWell, first of all, those are pretty big "exceptions." :)) I don't know that I conceptualize too many of the 'gender issues that affect women' that are important to me as "women's issues" per se. For example, I think that both women and men are adversely affected by excessive judgmentalism, particularly regarding status, looks, sexuality and emotions. I think that fat phobia is a real issue (that's often seen as a women's issue though it affects men too). OTOH I also think that, um, 'height-ism'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/22 08:30 PM |
| 4 | The scapegoating of male feministI don't, at least not at the moment. And, if you had phrased your point a bit differently, I might even have agreed with it. Something like this would be pretty accurate: To be recognized and promoted by mainstream feminist pundits, a male feminist not only has to advocate for women, but parrot feminist talking points without questioning them, even when those points are misandrist on some level. However, you can certainly be a male feminist in a more dissident mode. I think if more LWMAs did thi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/22 03:34 PM |
| 4 | The scapegoating of male feministThis is false. Speaking as an egalitarian male feminist, I embrace the genuinely egalitarian vision often espoused by mainstream feminists but rarely lived up to. I often criticize the inegalitarian and misandrist aspects of the ideology that I think of as 'patriarchal feminism' where the gender oppression of men is often ignored. I think this is a better approach for left wing male advocates than a tribal antifeminism which can easily be portrayed by detractors as divisive and reactionary. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/22 02:34 PM |
| 6 | Who Are The Most Influential Figures In Today's Gender Debates?Interesting. Joanna Schroeder has been twittering her unease as well, instructing her followers to 'not believe everything you hear' and 'be skeptical' (referring to Depp's assertions) while simultaneously worrying that the case might cause people to 'not believe women.' No double standards there, nosiree. I'll have to see if Jill takes the same tack. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/05/22 02:13 AM |
| 3 | Who Are The Most Influential Figures In Today's Gender Debates?Not familiar with any of these; will have to check them out. I notice that the (now late) Samuels appeared to be pretty strongly gender traditionalist (based on how he's described in his Wikipedia entry). Are you counting him as a male advocate? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/05/22 02:03 AM |
| 2 | Who Are The Most Influential Figures In Today's Gender Debates?Agreed. Though he does at least still provide a pretty strong rebuttal to the notion that 'MRAism is a gateway to the right.' | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/05/22 01:56 AM |
| 1 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeThis person is the one painting in broad stokes because they're saying "all men are like this" when they don't even know that. What I think is true though is that "all" ("all" here meaning "the overwhelming majority of men in the US [or west]") men are compelled to live in a culture where spontaneous affection and emotional vulnerability between men is generally treated negatively and/or casts your standing as a "man" in question. You will see exceptions to this, but typically in cases where the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/22 05:26 AM |
| 1 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeOK, thanks. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/22 05:09 AM |
| 3 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeYeah, I was just flagging his feed because he's one of the more insightful lefties out there. Mind you, in the past I did find him leaning a bit towards "women have it really bad" mindset, so it was refreshing to see him talk about how fucked up things can be for men. Here his original retweet of the piece I linked to. Here are some of his followup tweets: One. Two. Three. Four. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/22 01:23 AM |
| 7 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeFor one, it's not homophobia or some kind of emotional stuntedness if straight men don't really care much about being intimate with each other. You're painting with very broad strokes here. You may be right about some men, but I think for many others dealing with having to be emotionally guarded or dealing with the emotional guardedness of other men is very much a problem, and yes homophobia does often play into it, and the absence of genuine connectedness can be emotionally stunting. completely… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/22 12:35 AM |
| 1 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeWikipedia agrees with you, and I was going to go with that until I noticed skaldish himself used it as one word. But I'll try to keep the two word usage in mind going forward. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/22 12:17 AM |
| 3 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegePretty sure most men know all about their lot. I'm not sure that's really true, though it's probably more true for younger men than for older generations. But I think even a lot of younger men have internalized the notion that emotional dependency = weakness … god knows the culture at large is filled with that message. I'm not as put off by his generalizations as you, though I do agree if you apply the same rigorous standards to them that are routinely applied to generalizations about other grou… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/22 12:06 AM |
| 4 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeI agree. The only thing I can think of is that 'white imperialism' is referring to the reputation that white Victorian bourgeois culture has as being more emotionally stilted and remote than other cultures. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/04/22 11:54 PM |
| 9 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeStumbled on this tweet via the always-interesting Ian Welsh's feed. It focuses on what I think is one of the really core burdens that boys and men confront that is often invisible both to women and to the men themselves. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/04/22 08:43 AM |
| 2 | Warren Farrell with Andrew YangI'm sorry to see you resort to dismissive sneers in response to my comment instead of more reasoned arguments. Merely labeling arguments against UBI as "bad faith" or "dishonest" is not particularly persuasive in the absence of a thoughtful explanation of why you believe this. FTR, I personally am not opposed to UBI. My attitude towards it largely mirrors Michael Brooks's in this discussion he had of Yang back in 2019: if it supplements rather than replaces the other important programs providing… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/22 04:41 AM |
| 0 | Warren Farrell with Andrew YangHonestly he's not particularly progressive. His basic income plan would have been great if it was in addition to the other important supports we give to poor people who are experiencing certain conditions, but he intended it (with Rand Paul's blessing) as a replacement of those exact programs. It would have been a net loss for those economically marginalized who are reliant on those programs. Moreover, as the late Michael Brooks pointed out, many poor renters would simply have seen those basic i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/02/22 09:28 PM |
| 1 | 92% of the Japanese homeless are menThat was definitely a different documentary. It might have been one that I saw that looked at suicide, with an extended take on their 'suicide forest' (Aokigahara) … although I imagine there are a number of docs which focus on suicide in Japan. At any rate, although the effects of social pressure seem to be more intense in Japan and doubtless contributes both to its suicide rate and isolation rate, I don't have the strong negative impression of the culture that you have. My impression is that it… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/01/22 06:26 AM |
| 11 | 92% of the Japanese homeless are menHomelessness is only the extreme end of the problem. The NHK documentary Dying Out Of Sight explored the issue of people in Japan socially isolating to the point of death. The first case they look at is a woman, but most of the documentary focuses on a few men, and I suspect the issue lopsidedly affects men much more than women. The documentary mentions 'lack of self worth' as a cause, but I think that's an extremely misleading characterization of the issue. I think it's much more accurate to th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/12/21 09:20 AM |
| 1 | Why is patriarchy never open for debate?Science has no place in politics. Did you intend to say the opposite? ("Politics has no place in science.") | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/21 05:53 AM |
| 34 | Can someone please explain why people think we’re misogynistic?There are a lot of bad faith well poisoning efforts on all sides of the gender debates (and indeed in political debates in general). In this case, the goal of the 'well-poisoners' is to maintain control of the debate. Some male advocates will point out certain inarguable facts that — if accorded the same importance as similar facts raised by feminists — significantly undercut (I would argue, 'fatally undercut') the notion that the U.S. is a patriarchal society (as the concept is used by many hig… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/10/21 02:38 AM |
| 6 | Circumcision is not associated with the risk of acquiring HIV among males from Ontario, CanadaWhile the study's results are welcome, I'm baffled as to why they didn't use a more clear headline. When I read the headline they used, my thoughts were: "Oh, some anti-circ materials have claimed a link between being circumcised and getting HIV, and this study found no link." This isn't far-fetched; some countries have shown a link between being circumcised and an increased chance of getting certain STDs, and for a long time (not sure if this is still true) highly-circumcised USA also had one o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/10/21 02:31 AM |
| 2 | Body-Shaming Rears Its Ugly Head At The Majority ReportI don't think you intended to imply that jokes about balding men are more common in progressive spaces than elsewhere, but it could be read that way. 'Bald' jokes are pretty common everywhere. Maybe they stand out more in progressive spaces because progressives are so much less likely to make jokes about the immutable characteristics of others. I completely agree with your second paragraph. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/09/21 05:21 AM |
| 22 | Body-Shaming Rears Its Ugly Head At The Majority ReportIn my latest post at Feminist Critics, I take a look at a brief clip from The Majority Report which illustrates patriarchal feminism: the (common) form of feminism which tolerates or even promotes sexist, patriarchal standards in (mis)treating men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/09/21 06:58 PM |
| 2 | We need to fight against accusations of being a part of the "alt-right"I don't dispute that some of the largest and most important feminist organizations (like NOW) and some of the most actively visible feminist pundits (like Jessica Valenti) hold the inegalitarian views you're claiming. Indeed, much of my online life has been devoted to highlighting exactly the inegalitarian hypocrisies you're alluding to. However, the group "people who identify as feminists" do not all hold the same views. There are feminists (like Christina Hoff Sommers, for example) who are awa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 02:48 AM |
| 1 | We need to fight against accusations of being a part of the "alt-right"Patriarchy theory itself can be conceptually thought of as an intellectual ripoff of Marxist class theory. And dividing men and women with the divisive rhetoric of feminism works against the class solidarity that Marx thought was important for bringing about social change. I don't disagree … EXCEPT for the implication that all feminisms must follow this approach. Egalitarian feminism (which presumably would be akin to the classical 2nd wave liberal feminism you allude to, at least in some sense)… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/08/21 12:56 AM |
| 2 | We need to fight against accusations of being a part of the "alt-right"You are vilifying a label instead of analyzing and/or critiquing the substance of my views on gender. Vilification tends to facilitate the right wing's ability to 'divide and conquer' the left. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/08/21 12:48 AM |
| 2 | We need to fight against accusations of being a part of the "alt-right"a true leftist cannot logically be a feminist As someone who identifies as an egalitarian feminist, I categorically disagree. You are imposing the exact definition of feminism that patriarchal feminists/neoliberal identitarians want to have imposed: one that is inherently divisive and which weakens a genuinely progressive & left wing movement to challenge the reign of billionaires. The left is much better served by a men's movement which reveals the discrepancies between mainstream feminism's ac… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/21 08:03 AM |
| 82 | Do you think that women largely underestimate the amount of social and relational power they hold?Maybe, but I think it's more they overestimate how much overall power men have in the world (which is easy to do, since men are trained not to complain when they have it bad, and punished if they do complain). Since men are "privileged," many women believe they're more than entitled to wield whatever micro-social power they have in conflicts with male mates. The culture as whole typically just gives them a big thumbs up when they do this, so the only thing that occasionally gives a woman pause i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/21 07:45 AM |
| 3 | Janice Fiamenco has been censored by YouTube!Why is Vimeo never considered as an alternative to YouTube? Does it have something to do with its income mechanics (or lack thereof)? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/21 05:45 AM |
| 10 | We are LEFT. We are MALE ADVOCATES. We fight for JUSTICE! EQUALITY! PEACE!Neoliberalism is not left, but I get your point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/21 03:25 AM |
| 2 | The Prim Reaper recently debated Rose WristKaren would have shredded the poor guy into pieces. That might be true, and it might even have been interesting to watch, but Karen is not left wing, and might even be hostile to it. That's one of the things I appreciated about the Rose/Prim discussion: though Prim does have a lot of "individual responsibility-dom" to her outlook, it seems clear in this discussion that she recognizes the grotesque injustice of a society dominated by a tiny super-rich elite. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/21 07:58 AM |
| 1 | The Prim Reaper recently debated Rose WristI have mixed feelings about this video. On the one hand, both Prim and Rose came across as very intelligent people having a respectful, good-faith discussion where they seemed to be in substantial agreement much of the time. Given where their 'starting point' seemed to be (as depicted by Prim in her response-to-Rose videos), this was a significant achievement. On the other hand, well, two things: on a more superficial level, both Rose and Prim could have been a little stronger in their 'presenta… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/21 04:01 AM |
| 3 | Thoughts on Cancel CultureIt sounds like we're on, if not the same page, at least adjacent pages. Where we differ is on a) whether it helps or hurts to continue to use the word "left" to describe the neoliberal identitarianism that's captured most of the G7's governing and media institutions; and b) whether the focus should be on re-capturing those institutions so they serve the population at large instead of billionaires, or whether it's better to promote a separate party to do so. I think it clearly hurts to buy into t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/07/21 01:56 AM |
| 4 | Thoughts on Cancel CultureThe left is most emphatically NOT the establishment. Neoliberalism is the establishment, and it is NOT 'left.' Culturally it has a more progressive take on civil rights issues than conservatives had (or have), but overwhelmingly that 'identitarianism' is used to distract from or obscure the importance of the class inequality that is one of the core focuses of left wing politics. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/21 05:27 AM |
| 8 | Thoughts on Cancel CultureAlso, I think cancel culture has run its course. A variety of strategies have been developed to combat it. It has been primarily levied against people with resources and they can now use those resources to hire a competent PR team who will get them out of trouble. No, according to the Laci Green video I posted here just a couple of weeks ago, we only HEAR about the 'people with resources' who are getting cancelled. She points out that the majority of cancellation victims are ordinary people who … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/21 05:22 AM |
| 4 | Laci Green Goes 5 For 7 On Cancel CultureSo glad to hear it! I'm also glad that places like this (LWMA) and FeMRAdebates have developed thriving communities to foster these kinds of conversations. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/21 05:50 PM |
| 3 | Feel really burnt out trying to defend MRAsFor a (possibly controversial) example, I'm strongly against socialism Can you clarify what you mean by this? I personally no longer identify as socialist, but I am a social democrat, and absent clarification I would presume someone declaring themselves to be "strongly against socialism" was right wing. However, it's conceivable that wouldn't be true, depending on how that person defined "socialism." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/21 04:04 AM |
| 14 | Laci Green Goes 5 For 7 On Cancel CulturePopular feminist YouTuber Laci Green has returned to vlogging and has expanded her focus to topics that go beyond sex. In one of her latest vlogs, she takes on cancel culture. I discuss why I think her piece was strong if a bit incomplete. EDIT: To clarify how the issue of cancel culture relates to men, I'll note that 'cancellation' is a tool most frequently deployed by identitarians who subscribe to the notion that men (especially white men) are at the top of a "privilege/oppressor" pyramid, an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/21 04:45 AM |
| 3 | Same As It Ever Was – Feminist CriticsJill had started off a thread talking about the hypocrisy of Catholic leaders denying the sacrament of communion to pro-choice politicians. I'm going to guess there was something going on about Biden not supporting pro-life legislation. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/21 09:03 PM |
| 2 | Same As It Ever Was – Feminist CriticsAgreed. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/21 08:46 PM |
| 3 | Same As It Ever Was – Feminist CriticsExactamundo. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/21 08:45 PM |
| 16 | Same As It Ever Was – Feminist CriticsSo it's been a little over four years since I posted anything at Feminist Critics (honestly, it seems longer), but I finally managed to stick my toe back into the 'blogging pool.' My immediate interest is in how things have (and have not) changed since FC's heyday. In this post, I talk about something former Feministe blogger Jill Filipovic tweeted that caught my eye. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/21 03:03 AM |
| 1 | The still prominent(and ignorant) reaction to MRAS from leftwing spacesThanks! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/21 12:40 AM |
| 2 | The still prominent(and ignorant) reaction to MRAS from leftwing spacesDoes anyone know who the caller was? He apparently has his own YouTube show, and Sam agreed to be a guest on it. At one point I think I heard Sam call him "Thomas" but I didn't catch a last name if it was mentioned. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/21 05:10 AM |
| 5 | The still prominent(and ignorant) reaction to MRAS from leftwing spacesDo you think this type of reaction is still very prominent in other leftwing sources? Unfortunately, yes, in many of them: Democracy Now!, FAIR, the ACLU, Noam Chomsky, and Ian Welsh all seem to have bought to some degree the notion that 'men (in the West) oppress women'. Notable exceptions that seem to have rejected or resisted the idea are Glenn Greenwald, Krystal Ball, Kyle Kulinski, and June Lapine. I suspect Bernie Sanders is also dubious about patriarchy theory but is politically constrain… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/21 04:18 AM |
| 4 | On Men, Gender Conformity, and Woke Spaces.First: I'm a strong Bernie Sanders supporter and social democrat, and I disagree with a great deal of what Jordan Peterson says. (In particular, he's always mislabeling woke identitarians — which are really neoliberal — as "neo-Marxist", and his support for PragerU is repugnant. Of course, that's not really all that different from the way people on social media — even in this sub — mislabel "woke" culture as "extreme left.") Having said that, his critiques of identitarianism have often been spot… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/06/21 12:28 AM |
| 14 | This is a reply I gave to someone on this sub about conservative misandry, I thought it was pretty good so here it is in a postAll this isn't to say that feminist misandry is trivial or anything, but in my opinion the main focus ought to be raising awareness about conservative misandry, … I'm not sure if I agree with this or not. However, I draw a very sharp distinction between critiquing feminism (i.e. carefully and rigorously pointing out the ways it fails to live up to the goal of gender egalitarianism), and vilifying feminism (dismissing the movement and anyone who adopts the label as inherently bad for men). The fo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/21 10:14 AM |
| 5 | Divided But Equal?The Prim Reaper is doing a series on the insidious aspects of social justice, and this is the first installment. This isn't specifically about men, but much of her critique readily applies to the toxic aspects of the way some feminists promote identitarianism. P.R. doesn't always 'steelman' the argument she's critiquing, but I like her low-key, sensible approach to her subject and wry sense of humor. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/21 06:15 PM |
| 2 | LPT For Men: Get a cat.Great comment. One quibble: I've read that laser pointers aren't ideal because the cat never gets the satisfaction of actually catching the damn thing, and this might not be good for their mental health. No idea if this is true but it seemed plausible. Your kitties are awesome! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/21 05:09 PM |
| 12 | National legislation erases the suffering of American Indian men.The same thing has been happening in Canada. A few years ago there was a flurry of talk in Canadian media outlets (including CanadaLand) about whether it was appropriate to use the term "genocide" when talking about the high rates of indigenous women in Canada ending up missing or being murdered. (See this article from The Guardian from just two years ago, for example.) The question of how those rates compared to what was/is happening to indigenous men in Canada at the same time was entirely omi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/04/21 06:55 AM |
| 2 | Complaining about the patriarchy is actually just complaining about the aristocracy & usually a sign of deep set mental illness resulting from indoctrination into a misandrist cult that is so common now that no one can see it is a cult (more inside)I'm sympathetic to much of what you say here — particularly your point about the artificiality of keeping children away from our work spaces. In a way, though, that supports my point as well: during our hunter-gatherer prehistory, parents (i.e. mothers) would have constant interactions with the larger tribe, even if they didn't participate in hunts for big game. They weren't isolated in their huts alone with their children for extended periods like the stereotypical stay-at-home-mom that many wo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/21 04:53 AM |
| 4 | Complaining about the patriarchy is actually just complaining about the aristocracy & usually a sign of deep set mental illness resulting from indoctrination into a misandrist cult that is so common now that no one can see it is a cult (more inside)I agree with your basic point, which I think is an extremely important one. I would take issue with this paragraph, though: I’d argue personally that having the luxury to stay home & care for your family is one of the greatest privileges society has ever given ANYONE. I can think of nothing as rewarding. Nothing as joyful. This may be completely true for you, and is likely very true for thousands of people, but there are many people — including many good parents — for whom this would not be true… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/21 05:30 AM |
| 30 | Examples of female privilege.I note that much of your list is identical to the list I published for Feminist Critics back in 2008. I think some attribution would be appropriate. I tend to agree with the items you added focusing on how media tends to be pretty biased in promoting a pro-woman framing of issues. Sadly, I think that tendency is actually worse today than it was a decade ago. It's interesting to me that you deleted the items in my list which focus on the greater permission women have to be emotionally vulnerable … | /r/MensRights | 12/04/21 07:38 AM |
| 6 | Examples of female privilege.I note that much of your list is identical to the list I published for Feminist Critics back in 2008. I think some attribution would be appropriate. I tend to agree with the items you added focusing on how media tends to be pretty biased in promoting a pro-woman framing of issues. Sadly, I think that tendency is actually worse today than it was a decade ago. It's interesting to me that you deleted the items in my list which focus on the greater permission women have to be emotionally vulnerable … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/21 07:35 AM |
| 6 | Well, r/feminismuncensored didn't really work out did it?As for the second point, I think this is because the bar for entry into Feminism is so low. Any 13-year-old with a laptop can be a Feminist. It doesn't matter how much they know about Feminism or even what they believe Feminism is, they're going to be accepted into Feminist spaces and invited to, "educate," others about it. This is true so long as they don't genuinely press the question female privilege/male disprivilege, of course. Otherwise they face the strong likelihood of getting the Christ… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/21 05:32 AM |
| 1 | More Information NeededI suspect single-father households as a group would be much higher on the socioeconomic scale than single-mother households. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/21 01:02 AM |
| 1 | More Information NeededThanks for the attempt, but unfortunately it doesn't actually address the question, as it leaves open the question as to whether the mothers were more likely to abuse boys. It's possible you could get the disproportionate numbers of boy fatalities just because single fathers targeted boys overwhelmingly. (I'm not saying this is likely true, only that it might be possible.) Also, FWIW, I'm pretty sure that single-father households were much less than 29% of all single parent households during the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/21 01:00 AM |
| 4 | More Information Neededsince we know that mothers are statistically more abusive and that the overwhelming target are sons I would caution against concluding that 'mothers are more abusive (than fathers, presumably)' if you're basing that solely on the fact that children are more likely to have been abused by a mother than a father. Children are simply around mothers much more than fathers. Single-parent homes are much more likely to be headed up by a mother than a father, and male/female couples with children still t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/04/21 02:58 AM |
| 6 | What you need to know before talking about issues on this sub.I'm not sure I agree that "there's a core to [liberalism] which is undeniably socially left" is true for all definitions of "liberalism." I think a lot of the identitarian perspectives of what I think of as "neoliberal identitarianism" are in fact right wing: critical race theory, much of mainstream feminism (i.e. what I think of as 'patriarchal feminism'). Now you might argue that those perspectives are not genuinely liberal in some sense — and I'd agree with you — but for a great many people t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/21 03:23 AM |
| 1 | Men aren't humanWell if you give off the positive healthy energy of self validation it will attract like minded people so it’s a win/win I'm skeptical about how often self validation — that is, internally boosting your own ego without positive external mentoring of some kind — really leads to "positive healthy energy." I won't say never, but I suspect in many cases it can come off as crass, inauthentically brittle, or obnoxious. Depressed energy naturally pushes positive people away. No disagreement there, thou… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/21 02:47 AM |
| 6 | What you need to know before talking about issues on this sub."Liberalism" is an extremely problematic term, because it doesn't just mean different things, it means contradictory things. It can mean 'big state' liberalism like the kind pursued by FDR and Bernie Sanders (i.e. social democracy), or it can mean "deregulated" capitalism as pushed to a greater or lesser extent by Reagan and just about every presidential successor — Republican and Democrat — since. This latter form of liberalism is generally referred to as "neoliberalism" in genuinely leftist di… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/21 02:09 AM |
| 5 | Men aren't humanHowever, if you live your life with the need to be validated by anyone but yourself you’ll end up depressed and that goes for everyone not just men. I have to categorically disagree with this. Humans are intensely social creatures with an innate need to feel like they are important (liked, loved, respected, validated, etc.) to other people. Feeling depressed when you don't receive that basic validation is a perfectly natural consequence of being human (in most cases). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/03/21 04:52 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone here do any actual activism?While I'm partially sympathetic to an aspect of your post — I do think there are commenters here who go beyond a (highly justified) critique of aspects of feminism and proceed to outright vilify feminism and feminists as a group — I nevertheless reject the underlying premise of your post that writing, posting, and commenting isn't "actual" activism. Of course it's actual activism, and in many cases it's likely one of the most effective means of activism available to an average person. Concrete w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/02/21 10:42 PM |
| 2 | Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thingCan you give me some examples of behavior which qualifies as "masculine" but not "traditionally masculine"? I'm genuinely curious as to how you draw that distinction. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/21 11:47 PM |
| 10 | Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thingThere's a serious problem with this post which you allude to but don't explore: Obviously this is just a correlation. Exactly. You're focusing exclusively on a narrative that is based on one direction of the causal arrow of that correlation: namely, man 'chooses' to forego traditional masculinity and ends up with all sorts of problems. Your conclusion is that, "See? Traditional masculinity ain't so bad! It has all these positive things associated with it." Now let's try a different narrative. Ma… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/01/21 10:26 PM |
| 1 | It IS reasonable to equate male genital mutilation (or "circumcision") with female genital mutilation, and it is harmful to women to deny this.Brian Morris conducting a methodologically sound study on circumcision? I'd be willing to wager a whole hunk of money against that being the case. See this post which examines how Morris rigged one meta-study to bolster his pro-MGM fanaticism. Lesson: don't trust any study or meta-study promoted by Brian Morris without carefully reviewing the details. Meta-studies are hard for laypeople to refute because they require tons of research hours drilling down on numerous scholarly articles to unearth … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/01/21 04:44 AM |
| 39 | It IS reasonable to equate male genital mutilation (or "circumcision") with female genital mutilation, and it is harmful to women to deny this.I don't see how you can possibly think that the potentially traumatic excision of nerve-rich erogenous tissue from the genitalia of an underage non-consenting male is in any way comparable to the potentially traumatic excision of nerve-rich erogenous tissue from the genitalia of an underage non-consenting female. /s Good post. It's interesting to me how common Type IV FGM is. When I would point out that MGM is unquestionably worse than Type IV FGM in blog discussions about a decade ago, I would … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/01/21 01:00 AM |
| 11 | Kyle Kulinski Explicitly Criticizes CircumcisionAndrew Yang is running for mayor of NYC and has been taking some flack for his past anti-circumcision comments. (His latest comments were in the vein of "up to the parents" so I don't know if he's backtracked a bit from his original stance.) I have some mixed feelings about Yang's politics, both on this specific issue and in general, but I think he does deserve credit for being willing to talk about some issues that many other politicians won't risk bringing up. But to me, it was Kyle's critique… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/01/21 06:24 AM |
| 2 | Ask LWMA weekly of January 11Yes. THANK YOU! Fucking YouTube now requires a login to see it, but I did also find it on Vimeo using the name. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/01/21 05:11 AM |
| 3 | You can't have it both ways.I am simply asking why one is discussed and advocated for and the second is ignored. That isn't quite true, though. Your slide says: You rightly call out employment bias when inside boardrooms 'men are still winning three quarters' of new boardroom jobs.' That pretty explicitly endorses the notion that the gender disparity in this instance must be due to bias. Now, maybe you don't believe that, or maybe you didn't intend to say it, but that is exactly what a plain reading of your text indicates.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/01/21 04:26 AM |
| 6 | You can't have it both ways.I find your wording here pretty toxic, tbh. It seems to betray a rather contemptuous attitude towards (and a lack of understanding of) both male sexuality and men's need for emotional intimacy. We live in a society where most men's ability to be in an emotionally intimate relationship with someone is linked to their ability to connect with someone sexually, something which is much less true for women. Moreover, women (more than men) tend to gravitate towards high status/high achievement partners… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/01/21 06:44 AM |
| 2 | You can't have it both ways.Actually: maybe not. Scandinavia is seen by many as one of the most gender-egalitarian regions of the world, and yet during the same past few decades as it was becoming more gender egalitarian, gender disparities in many occupations actually increased. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/01/21 05:53 AM |
| 4 | You can't have it both ways.I don't disagree. My point was, even if you eliminate all of the discrimination, you still can't assume your gender disparity will vanish. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/01/21 03:34 AM |
| 2 | Ask LWMA weekly of January 11In responding to u/TheTinMenBlog's recent post, I wanted to link to a documentary by a Scandinavian about how gender differences in occupation in that region actually increased as the culture became more egalitarian. I don't remember the guy's name — I think he may have been a comedian? — but his doc was really good. (It showed him interviewing people in government and academia about this phenomenon.) I was surprised that I wasn't able to find it readily. Does anybody else remember this and poss… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/01/21 02:30 AM |
| 10 | You can't have it both ways.While I'm sympathetic to the intent behind this post (and appreciate the sourcing of its claims), I find myself in basic disagreement with it. I don't agree with the simplification underlying the mainstream feminist viewpoint that is endorsed in some of the slides, because it obscures some very important realities behind the numerical discrepancies being critiqued. I don’t agree with the notion that any disparity in outcome must be due solely to discrimination. The competition for boardroom jobs… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/01/21 02:22 AM |
| 3 | This story has been going around in a few other leftist subs, he called the police for help and was murdered in his home. Everyone was very quick to talk about how he was basically killed on his race, but nobody acknowledges the gender aspect. You think he would have been murdered if he was a woman?It does happen. Remember Justine Diamond in Minnesota? That said, I don't disagree with your point. For reasons of both racism and classism, most of the numerous adverse things that affect men in America will have a greater impact on African American men, and offhand I can't think of a mass media piece that included 'maleness' as contributing to the person's victimization. It's trivially easy to find mass media pieces that examine how race contributed to a person's victimization. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/12/20 06:25 AM |
| 2 | We should thank the men's liberation movement for telling lies in a really obvious way, it helps us growOne of the best studies on falsely-convicted men is the one done by the Urban Institute looking at DNA evidence which exonerated between 8 and 15 percent of men wrongfully convicted (not merely accused) of sexual assault. The higher figure is more likely to be the actual rate of false convictions. The convicted offenders in this study fell into two groups: those where DNA would confirm or disprove the man's involvement in the crime, and those where DNA would not help either way. (The latter woul… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/10/20 08:34 AM |
| 3 | Racism is analagous to sexism and it's ignorant or bigoted to claim otherwise.This post uses simplistic and absolutist language in a manner which is guaranteed to generate more heat than light. There's far too many people pushing the false narrative that racism and sexism are different things. This is demonstrably false. Of course they're different things! They differ in function, history, and social dynamics. Moreover, in the U.S. and many other Western nations, there is the enormous difference that race privilege is unilateral, while gender privilege is bilateral. Now, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/20 10:05 PM |
| 5 | To any former right-wing men here? What won you over to the left?Outside of Sanders the last liberal I actually felt stood with me was Paul Wellstone whose kids were kicked out of the group started in their fathers name because they refused to throw poor white men under the bus. Wellstone was awesome! Can you say more about this incident with his kids? I'd never heard about it; a DuckDuckGo search revealed this interesting article that doesn't seem to quite get to the heart what you're referring to. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/20 03:25 AM |
| 13 | Shoe0nhead EXPOSED: How I RUINED “The Online Left”While Shoe doesn't talk about men's issues directly here, she does push back against the 'cancel culture' that confronts leftists who challenge the orthodox neoliberal feminist party line. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/20 03:18 AM |
| -3 | The framework of "toxic masculinity" identifies symptoms but will never be able to offer solutions. This means it amounts to no more than the nagging of men. Here I will offer a superior framework of masculinity which includes solutions.I'm surprised at how much this post has apparently been embraced by the readership here. To me it appears to be endorsing pretty traditionalist male roles (in the case of 'the warrior' and 'the king') or holding out a role as gendered that doesn't seem to me to have much if any relation to gender ('the magician'). Where is the male role model which espouses playfulness, emotional vulnerability and spontaneity, nurturance, and empathy? I'm adamantly in favor of gender egalitarianism. I think the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/05/20 05:01 AM |
| 2 | Notice any items missing in the list?No question. They've 'stacked the deck' against intactivism by making (obvious and valid) comparisons between MGM and FGM a bannable offense. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/20 07:26 PM |
| 1 | Notice any items missing in the list?I think it may need to be separated from the issue of men being second banana in the home, which feels like a different thing. Why does it feel like a different thing to you? To me it's very much a part of concept. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/20 05:13 AM |
| 3 | Notice any items missing in the list?The absence of circumcision on the list jumped out to me immediately, though it is treated relatively respectfully in the comments over there. (Surprised I'm the first to mention it in this thread, tho.) The other issue I'd add is … well, it's so big it probably underlies a lot of the other issues on the list, so I'm not sure what the best label is. I guess I'll settle for male peripheralization. This is the notion that unless and until you establish yourself on a middle (or better) position on … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/20 03:34 AM |
| 4 | After getting the original post removed from r/unpopularopinion, feminists post in r/SelfAwarewolves for a circle jerk.They got it removed??! It had over 40k upvotes when I saw it. Did the mods explain why they removed it? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/20 04:16 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone get tired of being associated with the right for being antifeminist or an MRA?Cenk Uyghur, Anna Kasparian, Kyle Kulinski, Michael Brooks, Robert Wright, and Glenn Greenwald have all pushed back against 'cancel culture' at various times. Cenk and Glenn have even pushed back against leading neoliberal feminists Jill Filipovic and Amanda Marcotte by name. To be clear, none of them are super enlightened when it comes to men's issues, and there are parts of the left that are just immersed in the orthodox feminist conception of patriarchy and female oppression (like the otherwi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/20 02:50 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone get tired of being associated with the right for being antifeminist or an MRA?I think the difficulty lies in that the only people who question leftist intellectual policy is the right. This is absolutely false if — like most people in this thread — you're equating neoliberalism with the left. It is neoliberalism which is the most powerful force pushing the anti-labor identitarianism that most of us struggle against. To be clear, the left itself isn't great on men's issues, but it does push back against some of the more toxic forms of identitarianism pushed by neoliberals. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/20 05:10 AM |
| 3 | Does anyone get tired of being associated with the right for being antifeminist or an MRA?I'm a very strong supporter of social democracy a la Bernie Sanders, and I think there are times when JP's philosophy borders on being toxic and/or disingenuous. Nevertheless, I think a lot of his critiques of identitarianism are valid — his interview with Cathy Newman was classic. In general he doesn't get a fair shake from the mass media. He isn't nearly the alt right avatar that he's painted as being. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/20 05:04 AM |
| 1 | Decided to open up about my mental health, but suprisingly things didn't work out so wellI appreciate your eloquent response, and I agree there is some validity to the notion that depressed people can have skewed perceptions that lead them towards negative assessments of the world that may be inaccurate. The tricky part is that people can also become depressed by having perfectly accurate negative assessments of the world that are constantly undercut by those around them. What might be helpful therapy in the first case may be quite destructive in the second, and distinguishing betwe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/20 04:46 AM |
| 4 | Decided to open up about my mental health, but suprisingly things didn't work out so wellOh yeah, it's definitely both. I was just trying to highlight how even relatively competent and well-meaning therapists can inadvertently struggle to support their male clients because of the unrecognized anti-male biases they've absorbed. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/20 11:59 PM |
| 10 | Decided to open up about my mental health, but suprisingly things didn't work out so wellThis resonates with my experience. I'll add that the prevalence of incompetence is related less to therapists being fuckups than it is to a systemic distortion in education and training, and it's exactly the thing that we, as left wing male advocates should highlight. Because there isn't an institutional recognition of the way men are oppressed as men in our society, men who go into therapy are greatly at risk of being gaslit in the same way that, say, a woman might have been gaslit if she had g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/20 11:46 PM |
| 6 | Decided to open up about my mental health, but suprisingly things didn't work out so wellThis sounds upside down to me. One of the first things that depressed people need is to feel like someone else is on their side. Feeling constantly judged and made to feel responsible for other people's indifference or toxic behavior is the opposite of being supportive. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/20 11:14 PM |
| 1 | The Existence of this Sub to some Extent Supports the Assertions in this Essay- Namely that the Left is Heavily Fractured.This extract is pretty incoherent, and comes across as a kind of right wing effort to try to marginalize the badly-needed (and increasingly popular) left wing response to a world with increasingly-concentrated wealth and power. Capital may now be more "free flowing" than ever, but you can be damn sure that unequally distributed wealth is, indeed, the point. Some of the 'supporting assertions' strike me as absurd: Fewer assembly lines, more 3D printing machine shops. I'd be shocked If 3D printing… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/04/20 01:13 AM |
| 7 | Thought experiment- What if we gave feminists everything they wanted from #metoo movement and #believewomen?while false rape allegations (FRAs) are rare Can you define what you mean by "rare"? This retrospective study by the Urban Institute of men convicted of violent crimes found that 16% of those convicted of sexual assault and rape were proven innocent through post-conviction DNA testing in those cases where DNA was dispositive (which was about half of those crimes they analyzed). That's one out of six at the conviction stage. I think it's reasonable to assume that a certain percentage of erroneous… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/20 10:09 PM |
| 2 | The Individual Differences Research, or IRDLabs.com, has a fairly balanced test on attitudes towards various strands of feminism; to better understand this community, I want to ask: how do you rank?77% liberal feminist but I agree with a lot of others here that the test is pretty problematic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/20 09:49 PM |
| 2 | Interesting thread by G S Bhogal. Especially the one regarding the Petrie Multiplier. Thoughts?I don't understand exactly what he means when uses "underestimated" here: The Petrie Multiplier: In fields in which men outnumber women, such as in STEM, women receive an underestimated amount of harassment due to the fact that there are more potential givers than receivers of harassment. It would have made more sense to me if he had used the word "overestimated" to point out that women in the field might conclude from their experiences that the field is rife with misogyny, when in fact only a s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/03/20 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Where will men be when automation removes most of their jobs?Put a legal limit on weekly hours worked? Yeah, basically. Mandatory double or triple overtime, and remove most of the 'managerial' exceptions. France went with a 35 hour work week about two decades ago, with moderately good results. However, you also have to be careful about your associated trade policies in order to limit the export of industry, which was the key Reaganite plank which has been the main driver of the stagnant or deteriorating standard of living for middle and working class peop… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/02/20 10:05 PM |
| 9 | Where will men be when automation removes most of their jobs?Wait. This: there is a limit on how far this will go before we simply run out of jobs. … is simply false. There is a very easy and life-enriching alternative to "running out of jobs": namely, reduce the work week! Our 40-hour work week isn't written in stone, and in fact was itself a product of a labor movement fighting hard to get it reduced from the soul-destroying workload it had been for many in the 19th century. (And yes, that 40-hour limit has been seriously eroded under the Reaganite neol… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/02/20 05:02 AM |
| 6 | A study which refutes the idea that women are less interested in STEM careers and the gender equality paradox. Thoughts?I'm confused, and honestly I think part of the problem is what you chose to link to, r/Strikester101. You link to a tweet, which itself links to an article in Slate. However, a subsequent tweet (as well as the Slate article itself) link to other materials which the Slate article is built on. Any of these would merit their own post for different reasons. I read the Slate article and found it seriously deficient. To my mind, it never made the case claimed in the subhead: that it was "wrong" to cla… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/02/20 09:30 PM |
| 2 | I Hated Bernie Bros Until I Loved and Lost OneWhile I somewhat empathize with where you're coming from, I think it's a bad approach to take from a political perspective. If you assume that everyone who disagrees with you are dyed-in-the-wool enemies, you're going to alienate the subset of those people that you might have otherwise been able to persuade. Cassie Jaye was pretty much a bog-standard feminist (with all the underlying ideological misandry that implies) when she started work on The Red Pill … and she ended up changing her mind aft… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/20 04:12 AM |
| 2 | I Hated Bernie Bros Until I Loved and Lost OneI think you can only take that interpretation if you presume she's speaking in bad faith, and while I can't know to a moral certainty that she's speaking in good faith, I don't see any reason to presume otherwise. You quote her talking about the various ways different Bernie policies will help women … but that's exactly what I would expect her to do because a) she's addressing self-identified feminists like she used to be, and b) she's writing in Elle, whose audience is 77% female. She's trying … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/20 03:23 AM |
| 3 | I Hated Bernie Bros Until I Loved and Lost OneI tend to agree with you about the mod but I don't think your characterization of the community as a whole is fair. There's a pretty sizable part of the community that's left of center AFAICT (though my perusal of their discussion threads has been pretty intermittent recently). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/02/20 09:25 PM |
| 1 | I Hated Bernie Bros Until I Loved and Lost One??? … nothing more than a female supremacist even at the end. Where on earth are you getting that? This is about at the article's end: Contrary to the Bernie Bro narrative, the growing progressive movement in this country is multiracial, includes all genders, and is full of people who care deeply about creating a better world for everyone … That's "female supremacy"??? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/02/20 09:22 PM |
| 1 | How ‘The Penis Monologues’ Misses Its MarkYou omitted the very important subsequent sentence: My knowledge of the current gender culture in China is limited, though, so I'm open to anyone who can share genuine insights about this. If you have any genuine insights about the gender culture in China, by all means share! As it is, I have no idea what you mean by "a true Western MRA." It certainly comes across as a insult, but I have no idea why you decided to take a hostile stance given my explicit interest in information that could enlight… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/02/20 09:11 PM |
| 10 | I Hated Bernie Bros Until I Loved and Lost OneStill you find a lot of misandrist labels in progressive circles, like 'progressive' … o.0 I'm guessing you meant to type something else there. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/02/20 03:55 AM |
| 10 | I Hated Bernie Bros Until I Loved and Lost OneI thought it was really encouraging to see this particular article in a relatively mainstream publication which is targeted towards women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/02/20 03:42 AM |
| 14 | I Hated Bernie Bros Until I Loved and Lost OneYeah, it really just seemed to me like a concocted smear from the Hillary camp that got amplified by neoliberal feminist pundits to try to kneecap Bernie. I would guess Bernie has more 'bro's' than Warren or Klobuchar (depending on how you define the term), but probably a lot fewer than Biden or Bloomberg … and the idea that his movement is in any way dominated by them is absurd. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/02/20 03:40 AM |
| 2 | How much income and wealth inequality would you accept in your version of the best possible society?I'm fine with some inequality … indeed, I think it's important to reward those who are personally productive (especially those innovators who come up with ideas that sustainably increase society's productivity as a whole). In numbers, I'd be fine with something like a max highest income to lowest income ratio of 1,000 to 1, and a max highest income to median income of 100 to 1. But I completely agree with r/HashTagMenAreCash's point about at some point wealth becomes illegitimate power, so there… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/20 04:20 AM |
| 1 | Not enough people know that America used to have an extremely robust welfare system specifically for women. Feminists unwittingly helped dismantle it.OK, we seem to be in agreement in the first part of your comment. The second and third parts of your comment fall more under the 'bad argument' category in my view. The links you post don't point to 'feminists advocating for special programs for women in poverty.' The first link doesn't mention feminists at all. AFAICT, a shelter excludes men due to local pressure, which I suspect has as much or more to do with good old fashioned traditionalism than feminism. (Granted, mainstream feminists have … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/20 09:29 PM |
| 3 | ACLU: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Fought Discrimination Against MenMedicare 4 All! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/20 06:45 PM |
| 2 | ACLU: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Fought Discrimination Against MenI think the comparatively lower amount activity of hate groups in Europe is really down to greater demographic homogeneity in most European countries … … and a much more generous social welfare system. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/20 06:44 PM |
| 3 | Not enough people know that America used to have an extremely robust welfare system specifically for women. Feminists unwittingly helped dismantle it.Let me preface this by pointing out I've long been very critical of mainstream feminism when it's hypocritical and inegalitarian. I think much of mainstream feminism today is contaminated with what I like to refer to as "patriarchal feminism," so in spirit at least I think you and I are on the same page in some respects. That said, I'm opposed to a certain kind of anti-feminism, and opposed to bad arguments. I think both of these things hurt the progressive movement, and even indirectly hurt the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/20 06:41 PM |
| 2 | Not enough people know that America used to have an extremely robust welfare system specifically for women. Feminists unwittingly helped dismantle it.OK, but … there's nothing in the OP about the pay gap. If you want to make an argument about the pay gap, do that (there's a really good chance I'll agree if you make a well-reasoned and supported argument). The OP is — as far as I can tell, and maybe u/Lady_Coraline2 can clarify somehow — an incoherent effort to try to make the case that feminists are bad. That's not a left wing thing to do, and it's not remotely persuasive. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/20 01:48 AM |
| 2 | Not enough people know that America used to have an extremely robust welfare system specifically for women. Feminists unwittingly helped dismantle it.There's nothing in the post that would provide evidence that women weren't disadvantaged financially overall (though clearly they had a modicum of advantage over poor widowers). And if "feminists are the reason that women have the same financial opportunities as men" these days, isn't that a good thing (from a left wing perspective)? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/20 12:09 AM |
| 1 | Any feminists whose work you like / find interesting?Doris Lessing was a brilliant writer whose early work is strongly associated with feminism. In her latter years she was critical of some its more idiotic permutations. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/01/20 11:38 PM |
| 3 | Not enough people know that America used to have an extremely robust welfare system specifically for women. Feminists unwittingly helped dismantle it.I a bit confused about this post. It appears to be suggesting that feminists were bad for pushing the notion that women should be allowed to work outside the home, because this lead directly to a decrease in strictly-gendered social welfare payments to women. Is that what you're saying, u/Lady_Coraline2? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/01/20 11:34 PM |
| 3 | Joe Rogan and Bernie Sanders VS The Intellectual XenophobesGreat comment. Haven't listened to Rogan enough to say for sure where he stands economically, but on at least one occasion he came across as pretty strongly economically libertarian (which I would regard as right wing). The only hesitation I'd have with labeling him an "average bloke" is that he is — like Noel Plum — a really sharp guy who doesn't feel at all obligated to believe something just because most people around him believe it. BTW, another left wing guest he's had on was Abby Martin. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/20 02:58 AM |
| 9 | Alternate ways to address “creep shaming”I disagree with your basic point. I think directly draining the word "creep" of its shaming power is an important part of the critique of "creep shaming." "Creep" is a gendered slur that is deployed in a way not unlike how the word "slut" is deployed. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/20 01:42 AM |
| 3 | Joe Rogan and Bernie Sanders VS The Intellectual XenophobesNoel Plum is the quintessential British centrist but I often like his takes on 'social justice warrior-ism'. (His many takedowns of Kristi Winters — like this one — were particularly good.) I think his common-sense take here on the absurdity of those condemning Joe Rogan's near-endorsement of Bernie Sanders was worthwhile. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/20 01:35 AM |
| 10 | Can You Spot The Missing Piece Of Data From This Article About Workplace Falls?I'm sure no one here will be able to guess in a million years. /s As is all-too-typical of these kinds of articles, there IS a mention of how workplace fatalities disproportionately affect ethnic groups (in this case, Hispanic workers). The last time I checked the increased risk for Hispanic workers over the average was about 10%. The missing demographic breakdown would have included a differential that was just ahem a tiny bit higher. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/20 11:00 PM |
| 6 | Thoughts about the 1917 Movie (removed from MensLib) repostI like your post and a lot of your comments in this thread, but I'm taken aback by your (in my view) misuse of the word Marxism. Now, perhaps your use of the word echoes the ways the others you mention (i.e. "Marxist feminists" or Communist apparatchiks) also misuse it, but I think using it this way mirrors the way certain right wingers use the term to vilify progressives or anyone who respects some of the important social insights Karl Marx had regarding capitalism and class. (FTR, Marx also go… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/01/20 03:33 AM |
| 5 | Thoughts about the 1917 Movie (removed from MensLib) repost(thank god for Libby) ? (Haven't read this bell hooks book … is that why I'm confused?) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/01/20 03:08 AM |
| 3 | Krystal Ball & Michael Brooks Decry Identitarian Excessesthey're having to intellectually twist themselves in knots I don't see that here, or in the other videos I've watched about this. Krystal Ball claims there's no incentive to make a false rape accusation. IIRC, she was talking about there being no incentive to make a false sexual harassment claim. I don't think that distinction is trivial. Her point being that, prior to #MeToo, the damage to a woman making a harassment claim against a powerful man so far exceeded the possibility for a materially … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/01/20 02:56 AM |
| 5 | Krystal Ball & Michael Brooks Decry Identitarian ExcessesSo this is a clip of a clip from the Michael Brooks show where Michael and Krystal Ball have been discussing the Warren/Sanders thing. It's worth watching the whole clip from the beginning, but since that includes specifics of the Warren/Sanders tiff, I skipped towards the end where the two criticize in more general terms the crazy nature of the radical feminist/radical identitarian cancel culture plaguing today's politics. Michael is particularly eloquent in my view in pointing out how grating … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/01/20 05:40 AM |
| 8 | Shoe0nHead Does Liz & Bernie SpatI felt a little ambivalent posting this because the topic at this point is a bit overdone, but Shoe's take was just too good not to pass along. (Plus, she posts so intermittently now that I think it's good to highlight her stuff when it's relevant to this sub.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/01/20 10:00 PM |
| 2 | Announcing /r/EqualRelationships!I think that's pretty clear. I hadn't read the rules, so when u/HashTagMenAreCash pointed out the caveat, I felt a little sheepish. Not sure how much of an addenda is really needed. I guess my reaction was based on being on guard from how certain reasonable modding rules are misused at places like MensLib (and even at times at FeMRADebates). I'm completely behind the goal of modding to prevent the sub from becoming self-fulfillingly toxic (i.e. toxic-leaning comments alienate more reasonable com… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/20 10:35 PM |
| 2 | One Bright Spot To The Sanders/Warren SpatAgreed; I've been watching her for a while now and have been really impressed. I will say I've picked up on one flaw that I suspect is going to gnaw at me the more I watch her: she never disagrees with Saagar. A lot of times Saagar "agrees" with Krystal when responding to one of her pieces, but then extends what she says to claim that the exact same phenomenon is affecting right wingers as well. Sometimes it might be a little similar, but a lot of times there's a very real difference in the dyna… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/20 08:06 PM |
| 3 | Announcing /r/EqualRelationships!I hope your sub is successful. I have a question about this, though: the rule barring demonization/generalizations about men and women I understand and support the intent behind this rule, but at the same time it strikes me as problematic. The statement, "Women like men who [whatever]" could be seen as a generalization (and, depending on what the [whatever] was, could be an offensive generalization to women, men or both). But it could also be seen as an accurate observation of the "Women as a gr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/20 07:56 PM |
| 4 | Men Are More Satisfied By Bromances Than Their Relationships.actually cling to traditional gender norms in ways that simply a bit subtler and less obvious than previous generations. I think of this as "patriarchal feminism," a term I think helps to highlight its inegalitarian ethos without coming across as a traditionalist anti-feminist. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/20 03:58 AM |
| 7 | Elizabeth Warren, sexism, and the men’s rights movement.Interesting point. Minor question: does Cassie Jaye really identify as an MRA? I know she's not a feminist anymore and has good relationships with MRAs like Warren Farrell, but I didn't think she actually embraced the MRA label. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/20 03:51 AM |
| 9 | CNN lying and trying to weaponize feminism against Bernie in debateThe problem isn't the presence of Republican talking points … it's the prevalence of Republican talking points (or, more accurately, neoliberal ones). You never hear questions framed from a progressive standpoint … i.e. "Senator, why do you support bankrupting the country with the insane amount we spend on war and the military?" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/20 03:39 AM |
| 2 | An action plan for LWMAsThere is a great deal that is laudable about your post, and I enthusiastically support the notion of encouraging people to explore some of the many different ways (particularly offline ways) to promote societal fairness to men. But you seem to be buying in to a fundamentally false argument here: A criticism that male advocates who are critical of feminism often get is that all we do is bitch and moan about feminism, and we don't actually do anything to help men. First, taking the time to push ba… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/19 09:03 PM |
| 8 | Is this sub getting taken over by feminist and menslibers?I'm confused by your comment. You seem to be conflating a person's gender views with their overall political orientation. I interpret the sub as being for left progressives (broadly defined) who advocate for men (presumably for their liberation from traditional oppressive roles although I suppose that doesn't necessarily follow). I don't think it's "supposed" to be for "centrists and 'classical liberals'" to the exclusion of, say, staunch leftists. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/12/19 11:55 PM |
| 1 | Alpha malesIf your really submitting the theory that women look for the most violent man possible to father their children, I find that extremely...false. That is not my claim, and I completely agree that women do not literally do this. My point was this: some people talked about how some men are more "alpha" than others, and disproportionately attract female sexual attention. They drew an analogy to how wolves behave. Others pointed out that the "alpha wolf" phenomenon was a myth based on studying them in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/19 06:50 PM |
| 3 | Does anyone here dispute the assertion that "significant misandry is easily found in the output of mainstream modern academic feminism"Plus they've implemented rhetorical limits on comments about circumcision that prevent you from making persuasive points about it to someone who doesn't already agree that it's wrong. You can't compare it in any way, shape, or form to female genital mutilation, for example, even though male circumcision is unquestionably worse than at least one of the four types of FGM that are practiced, and just about everyone (correctly) agrees that FGM is appalling. And you can't call circumcision "mutilatio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/19 12:42 AM |
| 1 | Alpha malesWhen I took my girls round selling girl scout cookies … While there may indeed be important differences between the mating dynamics of lions and those of humans, I submit that the mating dynamics of lions are more relevant than the dynamics of little girls selling cookies. But the nos didn't mater. They might not matter to a disinterested third party. And they might not matter to a sociopath, or a misogynist who sees all women as fungible tits-and-ass. But if you're a sensitive human being with … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/19 12:28 AM |
| 3 | Alpha malesThe whole concept of alpha males is specious. Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise. Just because the concept of the alpha male was incorrectly applied to wolves, doesn't negate the utility of the concept for people. After all, there are other mammalian species where the concept applies (like lions, for example). Though application of the term varies, it appears to me that the notion of the alpha male as the man who attracts a highly inordinate amount of female sexual attention has me… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/12/19 11:14 PM |
| 3 | What are your opinions on this thread?It is not uncommon to see mainstream feminists strawman their ideological critics by lumping disparate positions together to make the mainstream feminist position look reasonable compared to an unreasonable, bad-faith alternative. This is exactly what Barry is doing here. MRAs sometimes advocate for "choice for men" or "paper abortions" - the idea that father should be able to opt out of any paternal responsibility, child support, etc.. Let's drop the blanket "any" and take a much more precise l… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/19 03:29 AM |
| 2 | Mike Bloomberg is running for president. How do you think he would be for men's issues?Even his UBI isn't progressive, as he plans to replace most or all of today's means-tested support programs with the UBI, and has no plan to counteract the increase in rents that would result from the UBI and likely end up consuming much of it (according to Michael Brooks) … thus leaving many poor significantly worse off than they are now. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/19 08:21 PM |
| 1 | In the context of "progressive egalitarianism", where do men and women stand?The most important contribution the "western world" has made to humanity has been in ideas and values, primarily the legitimacy of the scientific method and the benevolent aspects of the Enlightenment. Neither of these things is dependent on the dermatological hue of the person receiving or using these ideas — just look at Hong Kong, or the Arab Spring — and frankly your mentioning of the "racial makeup of the US over time" is a huge red flag. Anti-racism is a foundational part of today's left a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/19 08:11 PM |
| 3 | In the context of "progressive egalitarianism", where do men and women stand?Great comment. I agree with most of what you say, though I might be a bit more open to the notion of an androgynous society in some ways. Karen DeCrow, Erin Pizzey, Karen Straughan, the Honey Badgers, Suzanne Venker, Janice Fiamengo, Christina Hoff Sommers. I'd add Cassie Jaye to that list. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/19 11:10 PM |
| 1 | In the context of "progressive egalitarianism", where do men and women stand?We are starting to see the negative side of this, mainly lower birthrates, later and fewer marriages, and more divorces. It’s not destroyed our civilization yet, but these are not going to be good things in the long term. Let me preface this by saying I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm legitimately curious: Do you see yourself as left wing? If so, how? (Long ago, I remember meeting a self-identified communist who thought population growth and productivity growth were inherently good things, but… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/19 11:04 PM |
| 3 | UK had unequal retirement ages. The Toreis fixed it. Now Labour wants to compensate women for the "injustice" of making it equal. Another example of how stupidity on the modern Left is screwing over both Men and Left-Wing idealsWell, I don't know the specifics of the UK context well enough to know for sure you're wrong, but in general the Western democracies have been under the thumb of neoliberal austerity regimes for decades claiming (falsely) that the state can't afford to do things that it can very much afford to do with just some judicious progressive tax increases and defense spending cuts. In the U.S., for example, right wingers have been wailing and moaning about Social Security "going broke" for decades, but s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/11/19 09:10 PM |
| 9 | UK had unequal retirement ages. The Toreis fixed it. Now Labour wants to compensate women for the "injustice" of making it equal. Another example of how stupidity on the modern Left is screwing over both Men and Left-Wing idealsIt seems the obvious problem is that "equality" was hijacked by the drive for neoliberal austerity (by making the gender who had it better get it worse), when a genuinely progressive solution would have been the opposite (i.e. lower the retirement age for men instead of raising it for women). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/11/19 08:12 PM |
| 6 | UK had unequal retirement ages. The Toreis fixed it. Now Labour wants to compensate women for the "injustice" of making it equal. Another example of how stupidity on the modern Left is screwing over both Men and Left-Wing idealsPost gets downvoted ? As I'm looking at it right now, it's 95% upvoted with a net of 17 points. (I agree that neoliberal identitarianism is a non-trivial problem for the left, though I disagree with those who try to make it seem like neoliberal identitarianism IS "the left".) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/11/19 08:10 PM |
| 8 | What is to be done about the problem of creepy men?Great article. I think "creep" is a gendered slur on par with "slut" and I'm dismayed at the many orthodox feminists who embrace the term (especially those ostensibly concerned with men's issues). I was amused at this, though: The mentally ill and disabled, the physically deformed, those with ticks or other abnormal movements or facial features, the impoverished and the homeless are all more likely to be judged creepy "I was just walking in the woods, honest!" (Although tbf a tick IS literally c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/11/19 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Is it even possible to subvert male gender roles and expectations?I thought your comment made worthwhile points. One nit-pick: There are truly progressive and egalitarian women who don’t inflict these standards on men like those in the bdsm community, but they are a dime a dozen. "A dime a dozen" means 'pretty common.' I suspect you intended the opposite, judging from context. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/10/19 06:44 PM |
| 4 | THE PSYCHOLOGY OF MODERN LEFTISM by Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber)This is a great example of how NOT to approach the discussion of political ideas. The whole thing is contaminated with the toxic ad hominem approach which invites the reader to sneer at some imaginary group instead of focusing on the validity of different policies. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/10/19 08:21 PM |
| 4 | Vent about datingThis seems hyperbolic. This doesn't seem to be a fair criticism of a post explicitly labeled as a "vent." This is maybe the opinion of a few isolated feminists who have somewhat of a voice online, but in reality women scrutinize themselves to a high degree. I tend to disagree with how you phrase this. It's certainly true that women — even most feminist women — scrutinize themselves to a high degree in terms of monitoring their own desirability. However, it's not at all uncommon to find explicit … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/19 09:38 PM |
| 3 | Any recent sources for the gender sentencing disparity?You provide some good links here, r/J-Unleashed, and I agree with some of your points. But there were a few things about your comment that I wanted to respond to. Let's not stop there because the fact of the matter is, it would not do this post justice if I affirmed that statistical disparity is evidence of discrimination. You won't find a credible mathematician, statistician, economist, scientist, or otherwise who would argue this because they would try and put forth some explanations for the d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/19 08:45 PM |
| 3 | Why should men be leftists when people like her is in control of the movement?Your premise is incorrect. People like her are not "in control" of the movement (though they do have undue influence and are insufficiently criticized). I don't know the details about this woman in particular, but in general the people I've seen espousing her toxic perspective seem more firmly in the neoliberal camp than the leftist one (i.e. Melissa McEwan, Jill Filipovic, Amanda Marcotte). That aside, the reason men should be leftists is because they want a fair economy in which the lives of b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/19 08:15 PM |
| 3 | Melinda Gates: I’m Committing $1 Billion to Gender EqualityGreat! Finally there will be some real economic clout behind the movement to give the genitalia of underage males the same legal protection we currently extend to the genitalia of underage females. And I'm sure part of the money Melinda is talking about will go towards helping to close the Workplace Death and Injury Gap that still overwhelmingly oppresses men. I didn't read the article, but I'm sure that must be part of what she's talking about … right? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/19 10:16 PM |
| 10 | What are the issues associated with "feminist resources and studies"?The biggest weakness of "feminist resources" is the near-total absence of pushback within the orthodox feminist community from researchers who recognize anti-male bias. There is (or has been) thriving debate and discussion within the orthodox feminist community about a lot of issues (sex positivism vs. sex negatvity, trans issues, pornography, gender essentialism, etc.), but if you point out evidence showing the existence of female privilege/male disprivilege, you lose your status as a feminist … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/09/19 01:32 AM |
| 2 | French council fined for having too many female managersFew consider that this deprival will hurt them too (after all, their narrative is mainstream at the moment) should there be a right-wing insurgency and take over. No waiting needed. The right wing neoliberal movement has been dominant for decades, and there have been few governmental anti-free speech moves as blatantly unconstitutional as the anti-BDS laws being passed at the state level. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/19 04:06 PM |
| 3 | TYT Segment Demonstrates Why Male Viewpoint On Gender So Desperately Neededsince you're addressing my comments in a highly selective manner Well, to be fair, you did address my post in a highly selective manner, which was a strong criticism of TYT from the perspective most relevant to this sub. I think the question of whether TYT is "neoliberal" is worth exploring in depth, but it really wasn't the focus of my post and I didn't particularly want to derail this thread onto that broader topic. I would suggest you post it as a separate piece here (if the mods would allow … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/19 01:58 AM |
| 2 | TYT Segment Demonstrates Why Male Viewpoint On Gender So Desperately NeededAre you saying they supported Hillary over Bernie during the 2016 primary? Or are you saying they should have been indifferent to a Trump victory during the general? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/19 06:39 PM |
| 4 | TYT Segment Demonstrates Why Male Viewpoint On Gender So Desperately NeededContrary to appearances, Feminist Critics isn't dead, it's just on hiatus (a longlonglonghiatus). (But thanks for the props, btw.) Having said that, have you noticed how many major gendersphere blogs have died or become dysfunctional over the past couple of years? Feministe? Gone (AFAICT). Feministing? Gone. Hoyden About Town? Moribund. Toy Soldiers? Closed up shop. The Good Man Project? Devoid of the comment discussions that were the only reason to read the site. It's pretty sad. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/19 06:24 PM |
| 2 | TYT Segment Demonstrates Why Male Viewpoint On Gender So Desperately NeededThough I share your concern about the dynamics of some of TYT's current funding, I disagree with most of the rest of your perspective. If they're the "establishment, neoliberal left in disguise," well, considering how hard they go after the establishment neoliberal left in ways that count, that's a pretty good fucking disguise! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/19 06:11 PM |
| 1 | Want men to share parental leave? Just give them equalityI've never seen a feminist making this argument (that they're opposed to shorter work weeks because women will still end up doing the housework). I assume you must read different sites than I do. Can you provide a citation? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/19 10:44 PM |
| 2 | Last Night, John Oliver repeated myths and falsehoods about gender biases in healthcare. He completely ignored the male disadvantages and disparities.Well, strictly speaking my point was that the additional social/environmental stress from being male was not adequately controlled for in the study cited. Are you disagreeing with me on that? As to your point, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that higher stress level from being male did in fact contribute to the bulk of the disparity in heart disease between men and women once you control for the other factors you list. I don't know whether that would make it more important than any of those ot… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/19 07:37 PM |
| 3 | Last Night, John Oliver repeated myths and falsehoods about gender biases in healthcare. He completely ignored the male disadvantages and disparities.But the thing is, that's what the framingham score did, it controlled for all factors such as lifestyle and environment I can find nothing in the Wikipedia article about the study to substantiate your claim. As noted, I think it's extremely unlikely they even tried to measure how many hugs each study participant received every week, or how emotionally spontaneous they felt they were allowed to be ... never mind the enormous practical difficulties of trying to measure such things accurately. I ho… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/19 07:14 PM |
| 3 | Last Night, John Oliver repeated myths and falsehoods about gender biases in healthcare. He completely ignored the male disadvantages and disparities.We see lower male life expectancies in every single country on earth. This wouldn't be the case if biology wasn't at play. Why not? Are you aware of a major country where average men are as protected, and allowed to be as emotionally spontaneous and vulnerable as average women are? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/19 07:06 PM |
| 4 | Last Night, John Oliver repeated myths and falsehoods about gender biases in healthcare. He completely ignored the male disadvantages and disparities.Excellent post. I do have a quibble, though. This is due to biological (testosterone) differences that make men at a higher risk, even when all factors are controlled for. The way you word this suggests that men's greater vulnerability to heart problems is, in effect, genetic and not due to any environmental/social differences between the lives that men live vs. those that women live. I think it's certainly possible that there is some truth to that, but I also believe that it is likely that men,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/19 06:31 PM |
| 1 | The Equal Rights Amendment - why and how we should support itThe problem is that the deadline for ratification for the egalitarian version passed long ago. (Whether Congress can extend the deadline after the fact is unclear.) According to Wikipedia, The "New ERA" introduced in 2013, sponsored by Representative Carolyn B. Maloney, adds an additional sentence to the original text: "Women shall have equal rights in the United States and every place subject to its jurisdiction." That additional sentence would be problematic — possibly even fatal — to a genuin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/19 06:00 AM |
| 2 | An old diatribe from 4chan on "social justice types". (slightly edited) I want to see what this sub thinks of this.That was a good clip. Thanks for posting that; I look forward to listening to the whole thing. Just a little further on, Dr. Farrell makes a comment that I think is relevant to OP's post: [C]ouples all the time exaggerate what is the challenge that they find in their partner. When people exaggerate and overdo their exaggeration, they usually have not been heard, and once they've been heard that exaggeration diminishes. I hope Farrell's observation applies to the OP's original excerpt, which made… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/08/19 03:34 PM |
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