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Nah, if the internet didn't exist cell phones wouldn't be nearly as bad. Not sure you can reasonably claim the reverse, though I will agree that the badness is greater than the sum of the parts in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 11:15 PM
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I think the cuckold fetish is analogous to the rape fetish in women. Many people are turned on by what they most fear. Some sort of crossed wires in the brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 07:19 PM
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Which is ironic because what they describe is far more reasonable then why they prescribed. Though I suppose that's inevitable
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 07:14 PM
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I don't think wanting someone on your level is hypergamy. Hypergamy is when you aim for someone clearly better than you. Someone on their level is the lowest they will accept. On average they're aiming for someone higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 08:25 PM
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Women don't like fearful guys, the filter works as intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 09:33 PM
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Both of you. u/ToughAnswers
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 08:55 PM
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If you have to ask you're on the menu.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 08:28 PM
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We have substantially weaker monogamous "norms and institualtions" than 70 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 12:51 AM
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It still is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 12:18 AM
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Yes, but that's a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 12:16 AM
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Just spitballing, but perhaps the women who benefit most from political and economic emancipation, ie those who succeed in a male-dominated world and thus who push cultural change tend to have more masculine traits including a proclivity for risk-taking behavior such as promiscuity. Female economic emancipation also devalues the male role, the safer a society the truer this is, and women look for better options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 07:44 PM
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Women of/pre-child bearing age have inherent value.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 10:50 PM
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Why Because You Didn't Capitalize to And the? I Didn't Capitalize to Either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 09:27 PM
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You Don't Have to Capitalize Every Word In Your Title
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 08:21 PM
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The level of intellectual honesty in these posts is jarring. You too really don't belong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 04:14 PM
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Lmao, did I say I supported tax cuts on the rich/don't support increases in the fiction of your mind? Acknowledging the existence of the Laffer curve doesn't mean you have to accept that lower tax rates are a panacea, just that high tax rates aren't a panacea either. Apple was recently caught evading EU taxes in Ireland. Is it so outlandish to think that they wouldn't have tried so hard if the reduction in their taxes wasn't so large? That there aren't many other corporations and wealthy individ…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 11:54 PM
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So, the only reason why men bother working and striving to have a high income career is to get laid? No, it's to have a family, getting laid is just evidence that you are doing something right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 11:34 PM
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The Laffer curve isn't just about the effects of progressive taxation. It also relates to rates of tax avoidance/evasion which go up as taxes increase. More offshore bank accounts and shell corporations. Companies spending more on tax attorneys to minimize their tax burden, choosing to headquarter elsewhere etc. It's undeniable that at some point there are negative returns from increased taxation but no one really knows where the maxima is and in reality it will move around over time. Moreso, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 11:33 PM
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The output in this case is total male effort. His point is that the marginal returns on male effort do go negative if the minimum amount of effort required (to e.g. get a girlfriend) passes a certain threshold. As the increased effort from some men to reach this goal is more than offset by the men who deem it impractical to achieve and substantially reduce their productivity. The Laffer curve analogy is appropriate, whether we actually passed such a threshold - which is itself mutable by things …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:41 PM
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Men are high variance investments, high risk, high reward. Your personal risk profile, value and confidence in your vetting ability determine whether or not it is a worthwhile investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 09:58 PM
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Exactly, the drop in T has been far to rapid to be attributable to natural or sexual selection. Far more likely a combination of environmental pollutants, obesity and generally sedentary lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 04:43 AM
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Incel, clone thyself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 03:21 AM
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Lawyers are far more likely to interact with women than men in IT. Lawyers are pretty evenly split men/women but paralegals and legal secretaries are disproportionately women. I suspect blue collar tradesmen are far less likely to interact with women on the job than lawyers. To be fair the opposite of what you said could be true. Men unlikely to find affairs at work could be disproportionately likely to look online.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 04:03 AM
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Given how bad a name anti-feminists feminists give feminism Ftfy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 12:51 AM
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#FightFor25
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:30 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:01 PM
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When exactly were you not able to have a bank account?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 01:12 AM
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I agree, and I don't. Crystal healing is silly but the placebo effect is real and powerful. The fact is that if I tell a sick person that this sugar pill I'm giving them has healing properties there is a good chance their health will improve. If it works for pills it can work for crystals. I'm not saying that crystals are an adequate replacement for modern medicine, however sometimes superstitions are not just harmless, but weirdly helpful. If you are going to make fun of someone's beliefs sugge…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 02:27 AM
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Nah convents and monasteries existed as a place to stash gays and lesbians so they wouldn't corrupt the straights, not because monks were 'powerful' men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 11:19 PM
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Ever heard of convents?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 11:16 PM
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Preying mantis females are similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 09:00 PM
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It was built by two-spirit indigenous transwomen actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 10:16 PM
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It isn't used in an every day setting though I use it occasionally. I'd be surprised if more than 20% of native English speakers knew its meaning. It means give in/defer, essentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 09:32 PM
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So women have no agency and just mindlessly do whatever men dictate?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 12:56 AM
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Look at Ted Bundy Bad example, I think he was more popular with the ladies after he was indicted for murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 12:55 AM
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There once was a team in a slump that could only end with a hump so they found a plump rump the chump took out his stump and gave it a quick pump and dump
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 10:33 PM
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I see you're a fan of the Virgin Mary.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 06:39 PM
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LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 10:34 PM
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Hear that everyone, Simone de Beauvoir wasn't a real feminist!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 06:27 AM
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?? What ?? I didn't say using a sex doll, I said marrying a sex doll. The whole shebang, buying an expensive ring, getting down on one knee, till deflation do us part... I said I found the idea above revolting and pitiful. I happen to enjoy oral sex though that is utterly irrelevant to the matter we were discussing. Let me guess, you are replying to so many different people you can't keep track of your conversations. Perhaps you should log off and do something productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 09:42 PM
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Or self-delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 09:34 PM
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Well then you are more magnanimous then I am, personally the thought fills me with revulsion and pity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 09:06 PM
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I didn't say using a sex doll, I said marrying a sex doll. The whole shebang, buying an expensive ring, getting down on one knee, till deflation do us part...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 08:18 PM
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Why? How do you feel about men that marry sex dolls?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 07:56 PM
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Modernity's efficiency is sustained by cannibalizing the fruits of traditionalism. It is not sustainable in the long run and we're careening towards insolvency and betting everything on automation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 07:56 PM
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They are free to do what they want, and I'm free to consider them pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 07:45 PM
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The arc of history does not bend towards justice but towards efficiency. These are sometimes mistaken for each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 07:07 PM
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If you include gang shootings, sure. In a country of over 300000000 these things will happen. It's the law of large numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 11:01 PM
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Sigh. You do know there's non-drug treatments for mental health, yes? Talk therapy, CBT, occupational therapy, even dietary changes. Yes, but most people take the path of least resistance, ie drugs. I suspect conservatives who go to therapy are more likely to opt for CBT than medication. I forgot another reason conservatives oppose much of the psychopharmacological industrial complex and that is the belief that psychiatry often pathologizes normal human (particularly male) behavior. As long as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 10:58 PM
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You think "duty to one's family" is why people don't seek treatment for mental health issues? Fuck's sake. Let alone "embarrassing" anyone. I think it's a number of things including a sense of duty to one's family. A desire to be self-reliant, also coded as socially conservative, an internal (pulling yourself up by your bootstraps) instead of external (SSRIs, benzos) locus of control. It's also wanting to own a gun, if you are diagnosed with depression in some states you will be unable to purcha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 10:35 PM
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Testosterone is linked to aggression. Whether or not aggression is a problem depends on the context. Lucky for you male testosterone has halved over the last 50 odd years so you don't have to deal with too many aggressive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 10:25 PM
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I disagree that fiscal policy is particularly relevant to people identifying as liberal or conservative these days. The relevant axis when evaluating willingness to seek a mental health diagnosis is clearly social conservatism vs social liberalism. The stigma against a mental illness diagnosis has nothing to do with tariffs but it does have something to do with duty to one's family and avoiding embarrassing your loved ones. Due to the utter impotence of any class-first movements in 21st century …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 10:18 PM
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It's ok, we're giving more teen girls testosterone every day, it'll continue happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 10:00 PM
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A biological teen girl who took some testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 09:56 PM
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FTM Just goes to show, give em a few doses of testosterone and they're no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 09:53 PM
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https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2019/06/22/transgender-student-shot-denver-stem-school-revenge-teasing-n109463
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 09:52 PM
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It is not really about race, race is incidental/orthogonal to the point of the post as I made clear in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 09:10 PM
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Here's a comparison, left is a linear dose-response and middle has a threshold effect. x-axis is degree of liberalism and y-axis is mental illness rates. If the differences between liberals, moderates and conservatives were down to likelihood of seeking out a diagnosis I'd expect the response in the left chart. This is because liberals are more amenable to therapy/diagnosis than moderates who are more amenable to therapy than conservatives. Instead we see the middle chart where there is minimal …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 09:07 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 08:36 PM
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Have you stopped beating your husband yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 08:25 PM
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I mean the people who are actually suffering the effects of their particular illness. An old person who doesn't believe in covid is a self-erasing problem. The same can't be said for under 30 women whose mental health is tumbling.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 08:02 PM
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How many of them are under 30?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 07:56 PM
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I definitely see this as a problem. I'll go a step further and say that there may also be a sort of placebo effect when you are diagnosed with a particular mental illness that reinforces any existing habits you have in a way that brings you closer to that particular mental illness. Do this for long enough and brain plasticity may make it true. Specifically you might rationalize certain bad behaviors as inevitable because of your 'disease' and put less effort into fighting them. Labels are powerf…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 07:47 PM
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That's another thing I had thought about. Among liberal (more specifically woke) circles being diagnosed with a mental illness may constitute a status-signal in the hierarchy of victimization. Being a woman isn't enough anymore. Conservative and moderate women aren't vying for position in this hierarchy so they don't feel the need to broadcast/exaggerate any issues they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 07:37 PM
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Except the largest gap is between white liberal women under 30 and white liberal men under 30, 56% vs 33.6%.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 07:28 PM
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How convenient, do you have a specific methodological complaint or is just a vague complaint around aggregated political self-ID? Here's a good summary of the data, it's broken down further by political affiliation. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1248823584111439872.html I quite like this chart. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVWhhSwXQAAa4PV.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 07:26 PM
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That's why I said 'on average' some self-identified moderates will be more conservative than self-identified conservatives etc but some really weird shit would have to happen for this to be true on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 07:02 PM
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We'd need to know the degree to which this is true though Not really, the mental illness data shows no difference between moderate and conservative women. https://images.ctfassets.net/ydv6sq0kb5bw/5ElsKHXpmlkYNotYOlWQMq/eb9a0d05429d5c2a5063d13cdf8e088a/conservative_liberal_women_mental_health_graph.jpeg?w=1200&q=50&fit=fill You do see the dose-response effect when looking at men liberal > moderate > conservative - for men But not women liberal >> moderate ~= conservative And the gap is growing o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 06:58 PM
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As long as on average moderates are less liberal than liberals and less conservative than conservatives then you'd still expect a dose-response effect rather than a threshold effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 06:52 PM
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"The demo most likely to seek medical advice for mental issues is the most likely to be diagnosed with mental issues. Quelle surprise!" Why are young liberal white women twice as likely to be diagnosed with an issue as young moderate white women. Those groups don't seem that different to me. Why is it that moderate and conservative (young white women) have about the same rate of mental illness and liberals are double?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 06:50 PM
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It's interesting that moderate and conservative have about the same rate and liberals are double. If it were merely 'likelihood of seeing a mental health professional in the first place' I would expect moderates to be somewhere in between liberals and conservatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 06:47 PM
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That is because society takes insults against women, but not men, seriously. Women have to be protected from bad words, men don't give a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 12:40 AM
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Some studies Higher parental perceptions of wealth associated with the birth of more sons in an Australian population This study investigates the maternal factors that are associated with the sex of offspring in a cohort of the Australian population. It found that greater parental perceptions of wealth were significantly associated with an increase in the number of sons produced. These results suggest that male offspring are born at increased numbers to women with higher available resources, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 10:12 PM
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Testing for university is mostly class based. ~18% (r=0.42) of variance in SAT scores can be explained by socio-economic status. Critics of educational admissions tests assert that tests measure nothing other than socioeconomic status (SES), and that their apparent validity in predicting academic performance is an artifact of SES. We examine relationships among SAT®, SES, and freshman grades in 41 colleges and universities and show that (a) SES is related to SAT scores (r = 0.42 among the popula…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 10:27 PM
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Anyone who has the requisite GPA/MCAT scores and is willing to take on student loans/can get scholarships/has rich parents. Obviously having connected parents helps. Ben Carson is a pioneer of neurosurgery, he did not come from a well off family and had zero family connections. In a perfectly unmeritocratic system he never would have gotten an opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 05:35 AM
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Intermittent reinforcement
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 01:09 AM
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Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times. We're in between the last two steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 12:36 AM
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One of the biggest draws for marriage among women is security for their children. For the most part women over 40 can't have children while men over 40, for the most part, can.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 12:23 AM
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Trads support Trump because of abortion/putting a bunch of Federalist Society judges on the Supreme Court. RPers support him for completely orthogonal reasons, he's the perfect embodiment of enjoying the decline, the shipposter-in-chief who says whatever the fuck he wants. That's what you get in a two party country, big-tent coalitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 12:18 AM
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It's a matter of degree, it is not all-or-nothing perfectly meritocratic or perfectly nepotistic. Do you think any random off the street would be just as good at surgery if they'd had similar training to a current surgeon? If you think it is 50/50 then sure there is no meritocracy but if even 51% of the time the present selection process selects the better of two candidates to train to be a surgeon then there is at least some meritocracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 11:12 PM
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RP arent trads. Then why are they overwhelming Trump supporters? LMAO, does Trump seem like a trad to you? Twice divorced and fucking pornstars?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 09:23 PM
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Don't forget reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 10:39 PM
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It's a bit chicken and egg. They both feed into each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 09:14 PM
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That is your prerogative, have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:00 PM
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Marriage is an institution, not an individual Institutions don’t have sex. Individuals do I'm sure you've heard the term a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle and knew the intended meaning was not that women are fish and men were bicycles. Similar situation here. I was demonstrating that the term 'sexless' is not as clear cut as you say by way of anologizing an individual who is sexless to a marriage that is sexless (ie comparing relationship between the concepts on each side to each o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:54 PM
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So, no, we haven’t established anything except the fact that you don’t know the difference between a human and both a building/home and an institution Stop pretending to not understand how analogies work. Do we have sexless criminal justice, as well? Hmm, maybe you really don't understand how analogies work. I believe justice is a blind woman so presumably female.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:32 PM
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At least we've established that the word sexless isn't as clear cut as you originally claimed. How long do you think a marriage has to last without sex before it can be considered sexless? A year, 5 years, or 20 years as you suggested above for an individual?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:24 PM
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My main question was is the only sexless marriage one where there has been literally zero sex from the time it began? This was your requirement for whether a person can be described as sexless and I want to know if you are consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:10 PM
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No, how they are used comes from the meaning. Prescriptivism is a great way to talk past each other and isn't have people actually use language to communicate. So what do people mean when they say sexless marriage? One in which the parties have never had sex with each other? Is a marriage in which no sex has occurred in the past 5 years a 'dry spell marriage'?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:01 PM
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You're absolutely right and the meaning of words comes from how they are used. In my experience sexless is more often than not used to mean someone hasn't had sex in a long time otherwise people just use the word virgin. Eg sexless marriage. Going 5 years without sex is no mere dry spell but nor is that person a virgin. If not sexless what term would you use to describe them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 09:52 PM
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As you pointed out above there is a word for what the person you were arguing with was calling sexless, ie a dry spell. Well there is also a word for what you are calling sexless, ie a virgin. A better operational definition of the term sexless is someone who who has had sex in the past but has gone so long without it that it goes beyond a mere dry spell. Otherwise you can just stop using sexless and use virgin in its place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 09:39 PM
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No, some one who is without a home who previously had one is simply in a wet spell. The term homeless is reserved for those who have never had a home. Linguistic prescriptionism cuts both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:59 PM
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You're not homeless if you've ever had a home, it's the root of the word!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:36 PM
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This is just semantics, I'm pretty sure you aren't going around saying only people who have never had a home are homeless. You can argue on how bad going without sex is for a year vs 5 years vs 20. The fact is that dry spells, since you insist on calling it that, are more common and seem to be lasting longer nowadays with fewer people entering into long-term relationships. This makes people sad and is a sign of an unhealthy culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:35 PM
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Social Desirability Bias and higher average agreeableness.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:15 AM
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But in general attractive men are high inib I think you meant low
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 06:07 PM
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The number of relationships grows quadratically (specifically n*(n-1)/2) with the number of people involved which is why polygamous relationships are particularly unstable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 10:48 PM
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No it is not
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 09:36 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_hypothesis
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 08:53 PM
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The article is from before the study was retracted. Editors note: In July 2015 the authors of this study retracted the findings due to "a major error in the coding in their dependent variable of marital status." The conclusions of the study should be considered invalid I found the retraction followup https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0022146515595817 However, in the corrected analysis, we fail to reject the null hypothesis of no difference between the coefficients for wife’s pooled i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 07:22 PM
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Also, people generally had higher expectations for relationships in general, especially considering people were also more religious. I suspect this is still true within religious communities, higher expectations of fatherhood as well. Now each gender has more extreme advantages when it comes to different things. The bar was technically divided in multiple sections, and raised incredibly high in some aspect, and incredibly low in others. That’s why I made a point to mention that this relates spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:49 AM
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but would you freely choose that life if you had a choice? Women's self-reported happiness is quite a bit lower than it was ~70 years ago, why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:41 AM
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If collectively men and women decided not to go for short term benefits then both genders would have a better chance. I agree but how do you promote virtuous behavior (mutually beneficial coordination) in an atomized and hyperindividualist society? In the past this was the role of religion, to help people to reach a consensus on how to behave based on tradition/received wisdom. To promote long-term thinking and avoid the 'sins' of various temptations. No sex until marriage, no adultery, no divor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:38 AM
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Were 95% of men in history bad human beings whose wives lead lives of quiet misery or have men become particularly malevolent in contemporary times? What are your thoughts on the viability of political lesbianism?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:26 AM
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you’re going to have to put in more effort So the bar is higher. If you have to put in more effort because it is no longer mandatory that means the bar is higher. Though it wasn't totally mandatory, you still had monasteries and convents/other culture equivalents.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:18 AM
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Has it always been this way or gotten particularly bad lately?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:04 AM
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We used to not have a choice, so it’s lower This doesn't make any sense, you are saying it is lower now? Surely if you have more choice you have the ability to raise the bar? If you have no choices the bar doesn't even exist (or we're talking arranged marriage and the parents set the bar).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:03 AM
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Men being present, and doing things that are traditionally the mothers role are heavily praised but expected when it comes to women. That is to be expected, performing your gender role isn't considered impressive but the bare minimum. Same can't be said for the opposite sex gender role. I think ultimately, the issue is really cause by how we haven’t adapted our society and expectations to match gender equality. That’s also why so many men think it’s unfair to spend money on a woman if she can go…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:58 AM
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Is there anything that can be done about it or has OLD just irreversibly changed everything for the worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:46 AM
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I have a pretty good handle on what's up, I'm not going to go into it on reddit though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:41 AM
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Women get shat on for breast feeding, not breastfeeding, helicopter parenting, not being protective enough, keeping kids indoors too much, letting them out too much. I may be wrong but this sounds like women being competitive with each other. Is it mostly men holding you to these standards or other women? As a man I couldn't give much of a shit about any of that as long as you don't fuck up the kid in obvious ways you're doing ok. These all sound like very modern (and upper middle class neurotic…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:39 AM
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"Unfilled expectations" Never heard of someone having low self-esteem from this. Well now you have, because that pretty much describes me. So you agree that low self-esteem promiscuous women weren't necessarily abused as children and your association seems to imply you have some issues of your own. But then whom among us doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:18 AM
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Was the bar always this low or have women become more averse to being alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:03 AM
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How do you have low self-esteem as an adult if you have high self-esteem as a child Unfilled expectations, if you were doing well as a kid but found yourself gradually falling behind your peers as you aged into adulthood this could cause low self esteem. Also, child abuse isn't the only possible sources of low self esteem for children. Perhaps they were shy/socially awkward or just not as attractive as their friends. A teenage girl who sees their friends getting asked out but doesn't herself mig…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 02:42 AM
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Women in the other thread weren't just saying that the bar was low, they were saying that it has been gradually getting even lower. Their father's behavior might explain why things are bad but not why these they are getting worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 02:03 AM
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When there is a demand for something, someone will come in and fill that demand. Women have a certain level of demand for Dark Triad types, there will be someone willing to provide the supply if the price is right. All humans are capable of great evil if the right buttons are pressed. I freely acknowledge that, it's the people who don't that are the most dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 02:01 AM
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WTF? You're claiming that all low self-esteem women were abused as children?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:56 AM
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I don't know that your question is actually an open ended question. It is not an open-ended question, it is specifically a follow-up to the last thread about 'the bar'. Many people, men and women alike seemed to agree that the 'bar' abstraction was something meaningful. I only noticed men trying to explain why 'the bar' is where it is so I wanted to see why women thought so. Well yes, I didn't choose the 'bar' analogy but I went with it. There was also (ostensibly) broad agreement that the behav…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:55 AM
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It is tragicomic. A self-assessment that drives one to behave in a way that makes others start to agree with you. Like a self-hating man who drinks away his misery and lashes out drunkenly at everyone around him. A self-fulfilling prophecy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:45 AM
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Eh, I've tried it out, it wasn't for me. Values can mollify our response to incentives, but incentives are incentives. Some fraction of people will modify their behavior in response to them. We're animals after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:40 AM
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Yeah, that's the red pill perspective I already laid out in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:25 AM
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american women have lower self esteem than american men No shit, that's why they sleep with 'Chad'. It's the ol' low self-esteem to promiscuity pipeline.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 12:45 AM
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"Women find Dark Triad types more attractive than genuine nice men, especially for short term mating." ok? that's not a reason to be a shit person. It quite literally is. All the world's a stage And all the men and women merely players
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 12:39 AM
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If a distribution is right skewed, that is high numbers are rarer than low numbers then the median is less than the mean. Since there is a minimum possible n = 0 and no upper limit n count distributions are right skewed. https://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/eda/section3/eda33e6.htm The example you give is pretty close to symmetrical ie not skewed in either direction which is why median and mean are pretty much the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:38 AM
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No 1, 2, 12 => mean is 5 median is 2
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:20 AM
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Median < mean for a right skewed distribution like num sex partners. Are you suggesting that the mean is 30-100?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:17 AM
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Yup, and everyone knows anecdotes are more informative than studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 03:23 AM
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You don't understand, the patriarchy includes women and negatively impacts men. "Patriarchy" is a terrible name then, you say? It obscures reality so it is doing its job.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:38 PM
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The Patriarchy ate the last cookie in the cookie jar. I'm feeling incredibly hurt right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 06:00 AM
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It's descriptions of reality are not heretical to traditional morality. Its prescriptions on the other hand, are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 03:48 AM
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Or I can just avoid white liberal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 02:00 AM
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Shamed is both a verb and an adjective. You are shaming someone if you engage in shaming tactics whether or not you are succesful. If there is no audience you'd have a point but once you involve an audience social perception takes over. Someone is shamed if people perceive them to have been shamed even if they don't feel that way themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:53 AM
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Works better for what? Worshipping the golden calf bronze bull? You're building Disneyland but without having kids to populate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 10:55 PM
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I'm including spouses in sex partner count, so n >= number of spouses. Is that a function of lifetime de facto partnerships I wonder? The total number of never married increasing is partly explained that way. The gap increasing implies that the the marriage gini is increasing for men more than it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 01:22 AM
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Casual sex just means sex outside of a committed relationship, doesn't have to be a one night stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 02:43 AM
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On the contrary, men are more likely to be divorced and remarried or never married [2,0], women are more likely to be married once [1,1]. In this very contrived example the male gini is 1 and the female is 0. In practice they'll probably both be in the 0.1-0.3 range, by necessity a lower gini than num sex partners as spouses are a subset of sex partners. But I expect the gap will remain, higher for men, though it may not be quite as wide, hard to know without looking at the data. Edit: remarriag…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 01:28 AM
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It's also true for marriage, men are more likely to remarry so number of marriages has a similar difference in the distributions between men and women though I haven't looked at the data so I'm not sure how the magnitudes of the effects compare to lifetime partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 01:10 AM
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Num oppsex sex partners since 18. I also looked at various age ranges and while the gini values themselves change a bit the gap remains similar (>=18,>=25,>=35,18<=age<=35 etc). Interestingly it appear to be very gradually closing over the last 20 years. I'm curious to see the 2020 data. nummen and numwomen are the var names I believe. The descriptors are is in the script I put on pastebin. If you have a particular variable in mind let me know. Here's the data, the website looks kind of sketchy …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:33 AM
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I should have been clearer, that's the difference in gini between men and women, men were about 0.55 and women were about 0.45 after removing outliers (highest 5% for each sex). Or roughly the difference between 6th and 30th most unequal country in the world in terms of income according to the world bank. https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SI.POV.GINI/rankings Think south/central Africa vs central/South America very roughly. Without removing outliers its about 0.7 vs 0.6 which is consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 08:58 AM
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Unfortunately I can't find the scripts but I was able to re-download the data from their website. The data I have has about 2-3000 respondents/survey and is completed every other year though some will have to be filtered out e.g. num sex partners answered non-applicable might mean zero but should probably be excluded. There is only so much you can do with it but I'm not aware of a better open dataset with random selection/demographics reflected. I'll reanalyze the data and send them along. In th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 04:25 AM
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If you could accurately measure the gini coefficient in a representative population (and not just on gender-imbalanced apps), I'd pay attention to the information. But I've never seen it. I'll see if I can find it, it was done on GSS data which is freely available, I'll even send you the scripts, how's your python? Fair about the outliers especially when you start looking at subpopulations. I remember doing a bit of work with removing outliers, it decreased the gini gap but it remained nonethele…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 01:58 AM
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It's well established that men exaggerate number of lifetime partners and women downplay them leading to differences between the averages (even in the 35+ range you mention) which should be identical/1:1. Gini coefficient looks at the spread or inequality of the distribution so it's the relevant measure and suffers less from people lying on the survey/ social desirability bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 01:32 AM
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You linked a 39 page report, care to point to a particular table that supports your claim? I've downloaded the data in the past and noted that across time and age the gini coefficient in terms of number of partners was consistently higher for men than women by about 0.1-0.15 iirc, I cntr-f for 'gini' but there were no results. I don't have the data on me but I might be able to dig it up. My god the sense of grandiosity of this statement. If you haven't yet realized that I'm parodying sjws I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 01:11 AM
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Or, you could say, then, that straight men (on a "society-wide scale") still rob gay men of equality. It's OK, we're already headed this direction whereby refusing to have sex with a feminine penised person is bigotry. So I'll accept this, it seems the rest of the intersectional ideology is already trending in that direction In fact, by 35 men have more partners and more regular sex than women. Lmao, given how quickly you responded I know you didn't proofread, but this is hilarious. Unless gay m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 12:23 AM
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This is a terrible definition, and that's a problem. By this logic you rob gay men of equality every time you deny them sex. On the contrary this is a systemic issue, individual instances of someone refusing to have sex with someone may be an indication of bias but when it manifests on a society-wide scale it is clearly indicative of wider systemic issues. Also I'm not aware of any significant contingent of gay incels. Sure, but we're also faced with weighing this against the cost of undesirable…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 11:41 PM
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I agree, go back to the comment I first replied to in this thread and you'll see that I was being facetious from the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 07:27 PM
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Feminism is allowed to mean different things to different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 04:05 AM
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Conversion
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 02:16 AM
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Thank you for your honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 07:43 PM
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Well here is incel standpoint epistemology. Define equality as equal access to sex Is this a desirable goal - Here I will defer to the epistemological privilege of the incel and say that they clearly face severe mental anguish due to their position (even leading to suicide) that a woman could never understand. For society more broadly a large swath of unpartnered men can cause a lot of trouble. Therefore equality of sex is a desirable goal. Is this currently achieved in the world? Clearly not ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 07:37 PM
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A woman's right to choose is very important to me. Those who do not want to go the child-bearing path are free to join a nunnery. Same offer for men of course. You've got a right to choose Lesbian communes Incels are cordoned off out of sight in monasteries What's not to love?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 07:23 PM
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Ok meshuggeneh
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 02:41 AM
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Til, apparently it was recognized in 2013. It's also the most common eating disorder in the US, talk about a fast takeoff! BED seems to be a post hoc rationalization of the massive increase in obesity that managed to get added to the DSM-5. Fortunately I prefer bingeing and fasting so I am able to maintain a healthy weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 01:33 AM
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I didn't know bingeing and purgeing bingeing was a recognized eating disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 12:58 AM
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Is feminist standpoint epistemology a valid way to determine the presence or absence of evidence of oppression of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 10:50 PM
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What does equality look like under a capitalist framework? Are disparities in CEOs' sex tolerable? Wealth? Homelessness? Suicide? Between the sexes that is. Are all disparities evidence of oppression? A woman born into a poor family will have fewer opportunities/connections/wealth than one born into a wealthy family. Why is this disparity in outcomes any less important than disparities between men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 10:01 PM
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This is especially ironic when you consider how Manospherians use vast amounts of deliberately inflammatory language. None of that is taught in school to impressionable children.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 09:49 PM
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This is such a cop-out. I'm a feminist who believes that a woman's place is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 09:46 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_7nHwFeP3U
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 12:52 AM
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It can always get worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 04:48 AM
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It's mainstream everywhere outside of western progressive circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 12:16 AM
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There is no perfect method but sometimes they tell you outright, sometimes it's trickle truth, sometimes it's the company they keep and sometimes they have reputations that you learn about over the course of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 08:59 PM
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I can't speak for other men but I've ended about 75% of my relationships. According to this women end most marriages but otherwise breakups are evenly split.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 08:52 PM
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And I've never complained about it in the wild, if that's the reason I decide to end it with someone I'd never tell them that was the reason. It's not something you discuss in polite company which is why most discussion takes place online.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 05:32 AM
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The female equivalent wouldn't be small boobs it would be a woman having a relatively loose (in the literal sense) vagina that makes it harder for a man to cum. Thought that's probably somewhat more malleable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 08:08 AM
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Lmao, may as well do the same to Darwin while you're at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 02:16 AM
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If you include mental illness as a disability that takes care of like half of incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 07:05 PM
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That's why the platinum rule is better. Do unto others as they would want done to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 05:49 PM
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Empathy is not my strongest skill, you're right about that. I put words in your mouth that's my bad, that's what you get for skimming. I do think however that overemphasizing people's trauma feeds into learned helplessness. Learned helplessness is a state that occurs after a person has experienced a stressful situation repeatedly. They come to believe that they are unable to control or change the situation, so they do not try — even when opportunities for change become available. The cure for wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 10:39 PM
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Shy, inexperienced, past trauma. All reasons why someone might not "just say something". How is this person going to ascertain that they have enthusiastic consent from their partner if they can't use their words. If you are so traumatized that you can't speak when you are uncomfortable you shouldn't be having sex. You're describing an emotionally stunted person. Just like the neckbeard who can't read body language they need therapy before they start having sex. Just be nice and considerate. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 09:38 PM
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It's mostly just wealthy celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 02:17 AM
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The kind of men who come to PPD tend to be overly analytical nerds who are generally fine at developing a career (hobbies interesting to women - meh to ok) but lack the discipline to go to the gym or are otherwise facially ugly. This may help explain why they find physical attractiveness standards harder to reach than non-physical standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 08:02 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexy_son_hypothesis
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:20 PM
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My rules > your rules applied consistently > your rules applied inconsistently
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 08:15 PM
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Because they have minimal predictive power/replicability.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 07:39 PM
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Sexual selection is not restricted to humans, it is seen throughout the animal kingdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 07:38 PM
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Like is not the same as respect, in fact being likeable is often an impediment to being respected.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 01:55 AM
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If the only way to be a moral person is to cooperate when everyone else is defecting then no one is a moral person, or maybe 0.01% of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 07:52 PM
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You can play the game within the present ruleset while still thinking the rules should be changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 05:18 PM
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It literally doesn't. Error is only a function of sample size assuming a random sample. It is counterintuitive, but true. Only exception is when the sample size is close to the population size in which case there is a correction factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 04:54 PM
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Define small sample size
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 12:28 AM
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Biology is the substrate on which culture is built - humans are shaped by biology and culture is shaped by humans. That is if you accept that the mind is an emergent property of physical phenomena (chemical and electrical interactions in the brain) rather than imbued by a metaphysical qualia. Nature and nurture are in many ways inseparable. Reality (eg biology) puts bounds on culture. Culture sometimes exaggerates the effects of biology. For example people within a culture may believe that women…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 01:10 AM
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I consider it to effectively be a 'Molochian' process. Even if no one wants it the advantages it would bring are immense, sooner or later the dam will burst. It definitely has potentially existential implications. Similar to artificial intelligence research.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 10:35 PM
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There will be pushback but it will largely fail, the last few decades have shown that the don't mess with nature crowd has minimal influence. It will certainly be expensive at first, and we still don't have adequate understanding of the SNPs that promote intelligence, polygenic scores can only explain 10% of variance in IQ. But it's getting there. The incentives are just too strong to stop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 09:24 PM
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Embryo selection is non-coercive/opt-in and has high potential. There are certainly likely to be unintended consequences but I suspect it is the most likely way forward, at least in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 06:10 PM
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I agree, difference is abortion is voluntary thus politically palatable (for the most part).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 05:59 PM
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This is eugenics with plausible deniability. prove That's a non-starter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 05:44 PM
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Well I try to live in the real world where stupid people exist. It's a hell of a lot easier to change the culture to reduce promiscuity than it is to genetically engineer high IQ people. I'm not even sure that the latter would work. It might be beneficial in such an environment (e.g. mean IQ 130) for a low-status (IQ 115) person's overall fitness to have many children since if you can't have (relative) quality you may as well go for quantity. You still end up with cognitive dysgenics though perh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 05:23 PM
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Your comment is partly contradictory. Sexual permissiveness leads to a higher proportion of children being born to lower IQ people. It's not one or the other, the issues are inextricably linked. The best we can hope for on the eugenics front in the near term is embryo selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 04:56 PM
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Incels!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 07:09 AM
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Wash yo ass
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 09:39 PM
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At the end of the day, if it's done in one's own home with a consenting partner to whom you are married for purely procreative purposes, what's the harm?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 09:05 PM
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Why disgust though? I'm genuinely curious, it's involuntary but indicative of some internal machinations. The reason I ask is that I've heard of women having similar responses to tradcon women. As I understand it conservatives generally have stronger disgust responses, though I suppose TradCon women in a liberated world are being transgressive in a way. Perhaps you're reacting to her rejecting social norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 04:24 AM
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I agree in general, the effects of social engineering are 95% unintended consequences. However, the more pragmatic conspiracy theorists will point out that opportunists take advantage of these effects towards their own ends, often in an uncoordinated way, and go out of their way to maintain the status quo. Perhaps it is incorrect to call these conspiracy theories. After all the people maintaining the status quo aren't directly coordinating, just following shared incentives. I think it is naive t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 11:52 PM
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Whether or not it's in their interests is debatable. For many women the status quo is pretty intolerable - particularly women in their late 20s/early 30s looking to settle down and having trouble finding a partner. Women in their early 20s are generally going to be opposed to slut-shaming as it limits their freedoms. Even then a pussy cartel functions by preventing a race to the bottom for women trying to impress high value men. In that sense it benefits women who are more relationship oriented …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 11:32 PM
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You can re-institute slut-shaming, casual sex shaming etc. It won't entirely alleviate the issues but it would shift the incentives towards less sexual inequality. Self-improvement amongst young men is also necessary. This is a non-starter for most women though, at least for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 10:57 PM
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Shocking, gross, regressive and strange. Do you take any issue with it that isn't rooted in disgust and incredulity? Just very far away from any women, I personally, know Does the fact that other women have very different ideas about what constitutes a fulfilling life make you consider that perhaps your own perspective is limited and biased?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 10:23 PM
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50:50 ratio by mid fertility, higher before and lower after.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:29 PM
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As you said it depends on the religion. Religions that promote master morality will encourage alpha traits and ones that promote slave morality will tend to encourage beta traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 08:13 PM
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The desire for sex and babies is likely largely independent given our evolutionary history. But at least since the invention of the pill this is changing as sex and reproduction have been partly decoupled. It went from sex => babies to unprotected sex <=> babies
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:08 PM
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childfree nihilism incels pretending to be volcels.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:35 PM
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They definitely want kids. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/09/middle-children-have-become-rarer-but-a-growing-share-of-americans-now-say-three-or-more-kids-are-ideal/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:33 PM
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Yes, health complications https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0185617
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 10:28 PM
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Bruh, learn to infer sarcasm
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 06:09 PM
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Ah yes, everyone is either poor or rich, there is no middleground.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:54 PM
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I like how the last line in the article suggests that 'ackthtually being less happy is a good thing'.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 10:42 PM
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Creepiness is about threat ambiguity. People arguing that in order to be assessed as creepy requires actual threatening action are exactly wrong. Several behaviours and aspects of appearance were consistently rated as characteristic of creepy people, including: standing too close; greasy hair; peculiar smile; bulging eyes; having a mental illness; long fingers; unkempt hair; pale skin; bags under eyes; odd/dirty clothes; licking lips frequently; laughing at odd times; steering conversation towar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 12:50 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 03:44 AM
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You've clearly never had fresh baked sliced bread, still soft and warm, slathered in butter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 04:50 PM
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The word you are looking for is median.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:41 AM
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No one knows, however there is no evidence of a decline in women's testosterone over the last half century whereas men's has declined by half. It's likely that the effect is non-linear, we may see it impacting women in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:30 AM
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Only a 30% per capita drop
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 04:54 AM
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I kind of agree, but these strategies are adopted to acclimate to a dysfunctional SMP. They happen to exacerbate the problem as a side effect. It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 10:06 AM
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This is textbook projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/19 12:58 AM
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Except the concept isn't solely based on wolves. Primate groups (including humans) have alpha and beta males.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 07:41 AM
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Selection bias
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 07:34 PM
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Healthy BMI goes up to 25 which is 146 lbs at 5'4". Youd be obese at 175. Not sure where you 190 from, that's a BMI of ~33.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 12:07 AM
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13% body fat means he is less fat then >90% of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 11:52 PM
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Youth is wasted on the young, wisdom is wasted on the old.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 12:35 AM
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Sex chromosomes carry a small fraction of genes and thousands of genes contribute to intelligence. If true this may make the ratio 52:48 or some such but not much more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 12:14 AM
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Says the economic incel
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/19 07:35 PM
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Texas, where my doctor required a consultation with my SO when I said I wanted to get a 10 year IUD, and he was concerned my SO didn’t know and may want kids. Also where a group of men are voting to make me ceros I g my reproductive choices a death penalty crime. For the first point you'll have to blame women who've changed their minds and America's litigious nature (IUDs can cause sterility). The ethics of abortion are contentious. [For the vast majority opposed] it isn't about men trying to op…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 11:24 PM
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the power to make our reproductive choices Where do you live that the modal man has this power. unequal representation in bodies of power I asked about the modal man, we all know at the highest levels of government, business, and academia men are over-represented. This is less due to oppression and mostly due to greater male variability. these are unearned power dynamics that men will have to give up in order to have an equal society. You can't perfectly align two normal distributions with diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 05:53 PM
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Who is advocating for slavery? Egalitarianism in the legal sense is a noble pursuit. I understand that having to give up unearned power and prestige would be frightening for some men though. What unearned privilege does the modal man today have that you would insist he give up exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 09:24 PM
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I guess we also have different definitions of civilization. There’s no logical reason to believe it wouldn’t have continued developing. The point is that patriarchal societies were inevitable once the link between sex and paternity was established culturally. Patriarchies outcompeted the more primitive matriarchies which is why they all disappeared. There is no rational reason to uphold the oppression of any group. You are committed to the abolition of all hierarchies then? After all hierarchy b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:08 PM
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Divorced men are a subset of higher value men who've demonstrated the ability to convince a woman to marry them. Make dating profiles for an average 45 year old divorced man and an average 45 year old divorced woman and see how wrong you are. Online dating market != marriage market, as women in ppd never hesitate to mention looking just at number of matches distorts the picture. If divorced 45 year old women had so many amazing options for marriage they'd be remarrying at much higher rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 07:55 PM
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Not really progressive at all though... You're an anarcho-primitivist then? Your feminist counter-revolution is impossible without technology. The patriarchy formed out of the discovery of the link between sex and reproduction and linking paternity with sex. Would you like to return to a time when humans had no understanding of biology? Greater male variability ensures that equalizing the collective power of men and women can only come by substantially increasing the median power of women relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 07:49 PM
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The father gods were created to “kill” the goddess mother. That was the progressive revolution One would hope that we are all rational enough at this point to stop vying for power and build society as a whole for health and happiness. Oh sweet summer child
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 07:18 PM
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Why do divorced men want to marry again? Because divorced men have a lot more and a lot better options than divorced women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 07:13 PM
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Feminism is a reactionary counter-revolution
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 07:02 PM
1

titration can also be taught in physical chemistry. Somehow I doubt they delved into Maxwell's relations or beyond basic kinetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 05:11 PM
3

You didn't do titration 'experiments' in high school chemistry?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 02:14 AM
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Sorry ladies, not this time, for we'll all go together when we go.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 10:59 PM
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Well it looks like the asexuals agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 01:06 AM
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This is reversing cause and effect. Chad doesn't give a shit because sex is as abundant as oxygen. It's abundant because he is Chad, he's not Chad simply because he doesn't give a fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 07:49 PM
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Both use genes, they just sort genes into hierarchies differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 12:36 AM
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Nukes were the icing on the cake. The reason the US flourished after WW2 is that all other developed economies had depleted their resources in war/been bombed to shit. Nukes didn't make the US the world's strongest economy. Your entire post is a testament to the Dunning-Kruger effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 01:15 AM
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Modernism is alienating, capitalism is mostly irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 12:53 AM
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I'm saying that now, in the time we currently live in, there is oppression, which is it's unidirectional by definition. If you define oppression to be unidirectional then most of what is called oppression isn't oppression. If we're alternating punches and I happen to punch you 6 times to your 5 I have on net oppressed you but to call it oppression is to render the word meaningless. Is there a function to your theory of mutidirectional power dynamics that cannot be achieved by the simpler theory …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 10:20 PM
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A single type of oppression is by definition unidirectional Power dynamics are more complex than that. support your theory My only theory in regards to this is that most if not all power dynamics between classes are bidirectional. In a given instance it may be one-sided but when you allow for the passage of time you get tit-for-tat happening. The reason for this is that power exists on a spectrum, it's not a 1 or 0. When the power of two groups overlap the unidirectionality disappears. It is onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 06:25 PM
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Wait a couple generations, it'll sort itself out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 07:20 AM
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Coordination problem. If you think it was difficult to get women on board with the sexual revolution, putting the genie back in the bottle is gonna be a lot harder. Or you could just wait 40-100 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 05:23 AM
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Privilege by definition is not earned. Neither can it be applied to both parties. One is always privileged above the other, because the word privilege comes from the study of class oppression. Unidirectional oppression is not a generalizable axiom, everything derived from it (i.e. critical theory) is oversimplified. It's neo-Manichaeism, now with IntersectionalityTM.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 01:49 AM
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Here's an excellent post on why the 'privilege' narrative is anathema when applied to anything but specific groups of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 12:16 AM
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Well then it's a good thing that I'm not trying to fuck anyone on PPD. People obviously don't whine like this in the real world, if they ever did they'd've wised up quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 12:12 AM
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Imagine having your worldview drastically altered by impotent words from anonymous strangers on a silly forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 01:29 AM
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They aren't actively pursuing casual sex. They are going on dates with men they're attracted to, sleeping with them too early because they don't know why they shouldn't, not getting commitment, and moving on to the next guy after they post in /r/dating_advice after being hurt. 😉 good old plausible deniability
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 09:42 PM
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He wrote Bronze Age Mindset which Moldbug has been shilling for. He has a twitter account if you'd like a taste. Very much about the swoleness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 05:13 PM
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Boys cant get pregnant
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 09:22 AM
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Missionary only, women must lay back and think of England.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:23 AM
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Bronze age pervert
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 02:51 AM
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To protect and provide for vulnerable KIN
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 08:01 AM
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It's actually reverse psychology, "the gross red pillers say having lots of casual sex makes me a disgusting slut, I'll show them!", rookie mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 02:36 AM
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I never suggested not using a condom because it "isn't natural" that was someone else. Natural things can be good or bad and unnatural things can be good or bad. Naturalness and goodness are entirely orthogonal. unprotected promiscuity < protected promiscuity < non-promiscuity But that has nothing to do with how natural these things are but rather the consequences of them occurring on a large scale. It's a tragedy of the commons, promiscuity leads to short term pleasure for those who engage in i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 11:25 PM
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Do you really want to go down that route? Rape, murder and cannibalism are also 'natural' and common in the animal kingdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 10:26 PM
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and yet...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 10:25 PM
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Lars and the real girl is a better example
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 09:03 PM
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*More variable, easy mistake to make if you are low quality yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 12:56 AM
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No kidding
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 06:00 PM
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No person should ever allow any incentives to influence their actions. Their actions should come entirely from within. Realize how stupid you sound now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 09:41 PM
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This is just soyboy with a twist and a politically correct name.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 05:43 PM
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Cunnilingus is the act of allowing a feminine pseudo-penis to 'penetrate' your mouth but also involves penetrating the vagina with the strongest muscle in your body. It can be submissive or dominant depending on your mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 09:14 PM
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She's a totalitarian, not a fascist. Totally different and cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 08:53 PM
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But becoming a drain on parents and society because you want to “check out” is not OK. I'm also opposed to any welfare (non-EI) for non-disabled people who refuse to work. Parents who find themselves in this position do so because they enabled the behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 07:43 PM
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Jesus you really are here 24/7. Pot, meet kettle.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 07:40 PM
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33% of 25-29 year-olds living with parents/grandparents isn't quite the norm but it is heading in that direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 01:47 AM
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All the world's a stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 07:59 AM
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cultural evolution
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 03:38 AM
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It's a mixed bag
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 02:53 AM
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But women murder more
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 05:00 AM
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And women are murdering babies (not talking about abortion)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 04:46 PM
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What makes you think women will consider the average man more marriageable in 10, 20 or 30 years? You're not wrong that extrapolating linearly is silly but assuming a nearing saturation point without evidence is equally silly. There is a lot of room for shit to get worse. Men's jobs are more automatable in the near term than women's. Historically undesired men haven't fared well, if it weren't for those darn nukes... but I'm a pessimist. We live in interesting times.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 02:48 PM
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Boomerism is a state of mind, some reach it earlier than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 12:51 AM
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You can call it Tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 08:58 PM
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Cultural evolution, monogamous societies survived/thrived.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 08:30 PM
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Hahaha None of us can do what machines can't do better, or wont be able to do better in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 02:43 PM
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It's the excessive capitalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 05:01 AM
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Even if you consent for someone to attach to you with a tube, you have the right to revoke that consent at any time. That's not what happened though. You attached yourself to them without their consent making them reliant on you and then severed that attachment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 08:38 PM
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Example?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 04:00 AM
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Existing men would mostly be happy about sex selective-abortions, it means they can hoard all the women without competing against younger men. Men in cults already do this voluntarily, they kick the boys off the compound. And yet despite being outnumbered men still run those compounds, weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 12:58 AM
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The day men sympathize with feminists who fantasize about castrating men is the day I'll feel sorry for incels. I doubt it would be hard to find men like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 07:34 PM
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Curious how you feel about this. For starters, it’s important to accept that the New York Times has always — or at least for many decades — been a far more editor-driven, and self-conscious, publication than many of those with which it competes. Historically, the Los Angeles Times, where I worked twice, for instance, was a reporter-driven, bottom-up newspaper. Most editors wanted to know, every day, before the first morning meeting: “What are you hearing? What have you got?” It was a shock on ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 06:20 PM
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Women who go to tech forums are not representative of the average woman. They probably lean more to the systematizing side of the systematizing-empathizing spectrum indicating they are more man-brained - interested in things more than people (d=1.2 in favor of men). I.E. what you are describing is the result of selection effects. Clearly distinguished is still something of a generalization given the 10% overlap. It seems like you might be in that 10%. Compare nurses with mechanics and you might …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 03:19 AM
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I agree, the age of consent should be increased to when one's brain is fully developed, 25. We should also extend high school through to grade 20 so that children aren't exposed to the real world. Also reintroduce chaperones for any events involving co-mingling of the sexes below age 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 07:57 PM
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Not my research, there is plenty of supporting research to be found in the citations and the psychology today piece.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 06:16 PM
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If you aggregate all those personality differences together you get massive differences between the sexes. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029265#
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:26 PM
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What the fuck does that mean? I provided quantitative studies showing that men and women can be clearly distinguished based on differences in personality. Personality differences that result in enjoying different things and making different choices in what they prioritize in life. One could make the argument that humans and chimpanzees are more similar than different sharing 99% of DNA. Is that helpful in any way whatsoever? The APA page is sophistry, nothing more. Edit: A third of that page foc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:06 PM
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Are there some psychological differences between the genders? I'm personally inclined to believe so. However, people like Rollo Tomassi consistently imply, or even outright state, that men and women are more different than similar More similar than different is kind of a silly standard. Psychological sex differences are massive when analyzed multivariately. D = 2.7 indicating overlap of 10% These are extremely large differences by psychological standards. Mate preference, D = 2.41 overlap of 23%…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 04:58 PM
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How are you feeling about Trump's recent impeachment due to the overwhelming evidence of collusion with Russia to throw the 2016 election? Here's the thing about the uninformed/misinformed distinction. Where I'm uninformed I have a reasonable idea that I don't know what I don't know and as a result have low confidence in my own beliefs. What protects a misinformed person from their own cognitive biases? Personally Reuters and AP are fairly good. I try to avoid 'news' from people who label themse…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 08:57 PM
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And by saying Vox isn't trustworthy I'm discrediting my point that Vox is untrustworthy? Brilliant "don't trust the mainstream media, trust my gut!" The signal to noise ratio is godawful. You can do a lot worse than your gut. Media institutions, like any corporate entity exists to self-propogate i.e. get money by configuring and confirming their readers' biases. The incentives guarantee that the truth isn't what you're getting from the 'news'. If you don't believe me make some predictions for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 08:31 PM
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What is my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 06:34 PM
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I don't particularly care to challenge the points as long as I can draw awareness to the fact that Vox engages in active disinformation campaigns through articles they like to call 'explainers'. Ezra Klein has made it very clear that for him the pursuit of truth is an instrumental goal to help him achieve his terminal political goals. Where the pursuit of truth challenges the feasibility of his political goals it must be actively suppressed by any means necessary. He's a modern journalist, a wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 10:58 PM
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Random events will occasionally clump together. That's inherent in randomness generally. Equidistance between events is, counter-intuitively, far more suspicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 09:54 PM
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And as everyone knows very few artists do lots of drugs
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 09:51 PM
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Neither is vox
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 12:07 AM
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To make it easier for the average man in the SMP, we'd probably have to dial back women's rights significantly, and I don't know that's a path we should go down, ethically. It doesn't necessarily matter what 'you' believe so much as what the religious believe. This data's from 2008, I suspect hte gap has increased. Figure 1, ctrl-f 'actual and'
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 09:33 PM
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Shoulder-to-waist/shoulder-to-hip ratio
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 08:57 PM
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It's not much of a consolation but I've found dances where the girl was clearly disinterested far worse than any rejection. My very petty advice is to get really good and never ask those girls to dance in the future unless they start asking you regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/19 09:13 PM
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Because this is impossible in practice. More attractive women have lower n's and less attractive men have lower n's on average. The math doesn't work - unless you're able to convince attractive women to marry less attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 07:43 PM
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I find that incredibly difficult to believe. Dude's 66 and has been talking about it for 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 07:29 PM
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Frivolous divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 02:26 PM
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The culture changed too rapidly. What's to conserve?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 12:10 PM
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I think are modern society is superior. But is it sustainable?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 11:00 PM
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low T
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 08:30 PM
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This past century of so has been the first time in at minimum millions of years that the male's physical stature didn't provide them a strong 'hard power' advantage over the female. The females were able to make up for it through social power imbued by their 'herd mentality' and other forms of soft power. With the emergence of the welfare state, birth control and the state's monopoly on violence men's advantages mostly disappear (with the exception of those granted to a select few by greater mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 08:18 PM
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iranic
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 12:29 AM
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Is English not your first language?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 12:23 AM
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They kind of are. The vast majority, likely all, of men have to sacrifice quality if they want quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 08:01 PM
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Narcissism and self-hatred are frequent companions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:09 PM
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More may be more but you also have to consider the marginal cost of marginal increases in income. IE not just the marginal benefit but the marginal benefit-cost which may be negative. I suspect it depends quite a bit on the person - probably more negative for women than men for instance (as men's status is more connected with income than women's) which may help explain the earnings gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/19 06:51 PM
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Intuition comes with experience
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/19 06:19 PM
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Intellectuals are just as human as the rest of us, they can be just as vicious if not more so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 09:18 PM
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What if there is a complex spirit-rock interaction you're missing though?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 09:14 PM
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I agree, it all started with Nero.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 08:26 PM
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Murder is rarer than ever, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 01:57 AM
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Toxic masculinity is just a name for the behavior of men who don't accept their place in the male dominance hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 11:17 PM
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And it was wrong then too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 04:52 PM
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Exactly, it pairs perfectly with gender studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 01:53 PM
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I was just extending what you said. Every human trait we can measure is partly genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 05:49 AM
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Literally every possible trait including political orientation is mediated by genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 04:02 AM
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Ban contraception.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 11:31 PM
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Conservatism is malleable and culturally informed. Conservatism is partly about clinging to existing social structures, e.g. pederasty in Ancient Greece. Heavens me? Had the Ancient Greeks not heard the Good Word of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?!?!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 05:43 PM
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Work ethic is genetic
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 05:45 PM
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literally everything
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 05:28 PM
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We're vastly different species, not related at all. We're related to bacteria, doofus.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 05:02 AM
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