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| -2 | DON'T compliment their bodies or face, Compliment their STYLE.Eh saying I'm smart isn't arrogant but eh. Lol | /r/seduction | 31/03/21 01:03 AM |
| 1 | DON'T compliment their bodies or face, Compliment their STYLE.Yeah probably | /r/seduction | 31/03/21 12:39 AM |
| 1 | DON'T compliment their bodies or face, Compliment their STYLE.Are you trying to be right or get girls? Bill Burr spends the majority of his waking hours and effort trying to be funny. By most accounts he is funny. He doesn't care AT ALL if you call him funny. If you compliment his drum playing abilities he would care more. Compliment people's insecurities... | /r/seduction | 31/03/21 12:04 AM |
| -4 | DON'T compliment their bodies or face, Compliment their STYLE.In this case the group that disagreed were likely angry incels. Haha! | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 09:45 PM |
| -1 | DON'T compliment their bodies or face, Compliment their STYLE.Yes that's generally why people downvote | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 09:02 PM |
| 7 | DON'T compliment their bodies or face, Compliment their STYLE.Well, yes. To put it simply. I'm getting downvoted by angry incels lol | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 08:12 PM |
| 1 | DON'T compliment their bodies or face, Compliment their STYLE.No you said put effort into. Aka "style" instead of appearance. I said that is wrong. Guess your ego got wounded | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 08:12 PM |
| -2 | DON'T compliment their bodies or face, Compliment their STYLE.I disagree. You guys are close but wrong. People want compliments that are rare for them or address their insecurities. I'm very smart (deal with it) and hear it all the time, among other things. So I don't care. I know I'm smart and there's no validation. If a girl says I have a nice ass, now I'm interested. For a hot girl, it's usually the reverse confidently. Don't say she's hot. Say she's really funny. Or she seems very intelligent/ perceptive. These are not earned traits, they are usually g… | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 05:22 PM |
| 2 | Models by Mark Manson (Animated Video)Really all the external/ outer game shit that some people say to avoid. Yes, being 100% confident, fearless, sexual confident and comfortable is ideal, but you can't just "affirm" your way to that. The only way you start putting the pieces together is really two ways. One, actually getting in the game, doing stuff (anything) and breaking shit. Aka leaving the house. Whether you're online, social game, bars, coffee shops, breweries, hobbies, work --- need to get in on the game. Two, you need to g… | /r/seduction | 12/02/19 07:21 PM |
| 2 | The Zeroth Law of PowerThis sounds like information asymmetry. Neither needs/ desperation shifted for either party. Not in reality. They could have been bluffing, but again, that's pure information asymmetry. OP's original point is unclear. Is he talking about information gathering, or "reducing" your own neediness somehow? That is unclear here. Yes, you want an abundance mentality. Actually -- you want an honest assessment of the market. Abundance and scarcity both really do exist in nature. The problem is when you h… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/01/19 11:41 PM |
| 2 | The Zeroth Law of PowerI wouldn't say that's true. Obviously, in a sexual relationship, the person that cares the least has the power. Sure. For various reasons. That's where you got this from. Not true in other relationships. If you're in a landlord's market, for instance, where renters outstrip landlords, then the landlord's have all the power. It doesn't matter if you're a renter and "don't give a shit, I'm Mr. Cool". Literally no one cares. Start dancing for dollars, or get the fuck out. Does that have more to do … | /r/TheRedPill | 28/01/19 11:23 PM |
| 1 | Women Are More Promiscuous Than Men?Lol this makes no sense. By definition, straight men and women have EQUAL hetero sex. Every dick in pussy requires 1 dick, and 1 pussy. 1 = 1, no matter how many hetero sex acts occur. Average male sex partners and female sex partners are the same (again we're ignoring gay and bisexual sex for simplicity). Now yes, it's quite possible (and likely) that top dog males (top 20 or 30%) have even MORE sex than the top 20-30% women, IE the men stats are more polarized. But don't you aspire to be these… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/01/19 04:21 AM |
| 2 | Models by Mark Manson (Animated Video)Everyone has their own mental model. For me -- there's you & what you bring to the table. Looks, style, charisma, lifestyle, career, hygiene, personality, values, behavior, wealth, social status, etc. That's the "product" you're selling. "Game" is the marketing/ sales side. In the moment behavior that makes the road to sex as easy as possible. Game is heavily debated and there are different styles; it's not much different than selling a car. You can do heavy numbers. "High pressure" tactics usua… | /r/seduction | 05/01/19 09:41 PM |
| 3 | Models by Mark Manson (Animated Video)I haven't heard that name in a while. He was on some original pickup boards. That guy definitely knows he stuff. But everyone has a different style. The best advice I heard from him was "risk creepy" -- when picking up women, sometimes you may or may not come across as creepy. Ideally you don't, but you need to risk it. Models is an interesting intellectual book but not extremely practical in my opinion (I read the full book). 'Don't be needy' is fine advice but you can fake it, to an extent (ju… | /r/seduction | 05/01/19 08:58 PM |
| 1 | Models by Mark Manson (Animated Video)I read Models. Author is a smart, perceptive guy. And the advice is good overall; not be needy, not having fake machismo, etc. However in terms of practical advice, it's not the greatest. The book will not take a virgin from zero to hero. It just won't. More like giving a physics book to someone who wants to win the Indie 500. I went from virgin geek and get laid now easily. Yeah when you're inexperienced, you have no idea the rules or what's really going on. But yeah not the greatest pickup boo… | /r/seduction | 05/01/19 08:28 PM |
| 1 | 8 Things Girls Notice First About You | Keys to a Great First ImpressionNo a watch is not necessary, of course. It depends on your personal style. But in general, I find it helps to have some accessories. Like I said, rings, necklaces, bracelets, piercings are perfectly fine, but actually appeal to a slimmer margin of men. If we have to convince you to wear a watch, Lord knows you'll have the balls to wear a necklace with a machine gun on the end if you're a grown man in an office. Style in general is usually better the more complicated it is. The entire point of st… | /r/seduction | 03/01/19 07:14 PM |
| 1 | 8 Things Girls Notice First About You | Keys to a Great First ImpressionTech watches are becoming popular now even though they are not as 'classy' as a standard watch (mechanical or quartz). I personally use one with a metal chain & it works for me. I like the slightly 'tech-geek' look with my otherwise chiq-rock style. But I have regular watches as well. None were crazy expensive. BUT yeah, who wants to pull out their phone to check the time? It's actually so much more work than glancing at your watch ... I'm not being sarcastic lol, it is -- | /r/seduction | 03/01/19 05:55 PM |
| 2 | I don't want my 2019 to be like my 2018You're in a negative state & yes desperate as others mentioned. You need a 3 month break from girl bullshit where you will: Not use Tinder or any of that shit at all or hit on female friends, or anybody. Get as lean and jacked as possible. Diet is 80%, lifting is 20%. Get a SERIOUS handle on your fashion. NOT FROM REDDIT - it's incel nerds here who dress like Ned Flanders. Find a fashion forum or a trusted female friend who knows her shit/ find a trusted resource. You SHOULD be uncomfortable wea… | /r/seduction | 03/01/19 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Does your dress matter if your a bodybuilderIt all matters. Now guys have fashion choices when it comes to clubs. But depends on the club. Some are sticklers for collared shirts, but many are not. If you're jacked you can get away with a cool/ funky tight tshirt, particularly if it's black/ looks like club wear. Like affliction shit lol tho I never wear that. A tight V-neck works great. Add some bling/ watch to it. Nice shoes is key. A hot chick on your arm will make the bouncer care far less about what you're wearing. | /r/seduction | 03/01/19 05:29 PM |
| 1 | 8 Things Girls Notice First About You | Keys to a Great First ImpressionCleavage > Ass > How revealing the clothes are > skirts > eyes face > ass again >> maybe shoes | /r/seduction | 03/01/19 05:26 PM |
| 1 | 8 Things Girls Notice First About You | Keys to a Great First ImpressionGo to a forum you respect (maybe not reddit here it's a bit public, but maybe) -- and just post pics of yourself and your fashion. Can even hide your face if you want, but you claim it's your big problem. I'm guessing your face is average at the worst. And A. Your appearance really isn't your sticking point or B. You're not as jacked as you think you are, and dress like Ned Flanders. | /r/seduction | 03/01/19 05:23 PM |
| 2 | 8 Things Girls Notice First About You | Keys to a Great First ImpressionWomen notice watches and shoes. It shows insight into the man, and if he respects himself. And if he's aware of his own image and social rules in general. Honestly it's not about $$$. As one of the few mainstay style accessories for a man, a watch is important. Not every man can/ wants to pull off flashy rings or necklaces, it's more of a punk/ rocker look but it can work. Do you have any idea how much effort women put into their accessories/ shoes/ painting nails? They love that shit. That's wh… | /r/seduction | 03/01/19 05:20 PM |
| 1 | 8 Things Girls Notice First About You | Keys to a Great First ImpressionYou forgot your overall body. A woman once thought I was a baseball player. I'm not even that jacked. Sadly she had a number of beers in here (looked like a 9) so I didn't slam her, but I was tempted lol. | /r/seduction | 03/01/19 05:16 PM |
| 2 | The Facts of LifeThis is good but kind of like a golf lesson, remembering 20 things at once won't help the people struggling to get laid. Honestly, I feel like you take a guy who gets laid, put him in a room with a guy who can't get laid, for 1 hour, he can probably tell that guy what he needs to do. Most problems can be solved by getting jacked, well-dressed (with an edge, not something like a cardigan - you should look like a badass) --- and then sacking up and not taking life too seriously. The last part is a… | /r/seduction | 03/01/19 05:14 PM |
| 1 | Game creates the perception of a high value male. Becoming red pilled makes you one.Disagree. Game is like a car salesman selling a car. Some are more natural at it, some learn it, but it's saying the right shit, illiciting the right emotions, greasing the wheels, greasing the groove, making a natural, obstacle free (From the women's perspective) feel-good path directly to sex. Countering objections, etc. Game is theater. Game is a dance. Who you are is the your looks/ style/ the work you put in before you hit the field. | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/19 04:13 PM |
| 5 | The Feminist Reaction to Day GameThe 1st Amendment itself was a bad idea. No it wasn't, and you're a dummy. If I'm President, I'll say you, your ilk, and all criticism of me (who will be fucking hookers) is sedition and punishable by death. Being pro-gun would be "clearly traitorous" and even speaking or writing about it at all, even on Reddit, will warrant imprisonment. Anything that disagrees with me, frankly an idiot, should be outlawed. No, that's a bad idea. Holy shit you need to read a fucking history book at some point i… | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/19 04:08 PM |
| 2 | You Are a Dick Salesman; Pussy is for Closersshould be in the top 10% with ease If it were that easy, every guy here would be getting more ass than a toilet seat. Real talk: Reading != doing. And sometimes you can read some "wisdom" and not fully understand it until you're "ready" to understand it. It often requires some experience and other know-how. dick selling Dick selling isn't a dirty word or weak frame. The idea that men have to perform action to get laid is just true at face value. You don't need to "Jedi Yoda" the shit outta it. E… | /r/TheRedPill | 31/12/18 06:45 PM |
| 5 | The Feminist Reaction to Day GameNot what I said. The idea that "only ideas I deem sensible should be debated" is folly. Arguments stand on their own merit. Saying an argument is "too dumb to even hear" is anti-freedom of speech. No, listening to something is not "giving it credibility." -- This is what anti-freedom-of-speech people say. A dumb argument, if actually believed/ proposed, can be aired. If truly dumb, it should be dispatched with ease and seen for the folly that it is. Hitler's third reich, along with purple-haired… | /r/TheRedPill | 31/12/18 06:38 PM |
| 2 | House Party Field ReportEither that was her boyfriend, or her boyfriend is a bore-friend chode and she wants better dick. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/18 11:44 PM |
| 1 | You Are a Dick Salesman; Pussy is for ClosersIf you think beating off or paying a whore is the same positive experience as fucking a hot woman, then yeah there's little benefit. Most guys would disagree though. Finding a slam piece that will fuck you every week is cheaper than a weekly hooker, too -- among other benefits .... | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/18 07:18 PM |
| 2 | You Are a Dick Salesman; Pussy is for ClosersSince the man is leading the interaction to sex and the girl is generally 99% of the time the final gatekeeper to sex, you're selling dick whether you like it or not lol. It might be a free Mazerratti that every girl wants to drive, and thus requires zero sales effort. It's just an abstract way to talk about the sexual marketplace. Standards are great, but 90% of the time I show up to a date, if she looks like her pics, I'd bang her at least. Even if she's a weirdo. Not saying she's worth a seco… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/18 07:16 PM |
| 5 | You Are a Dick Salesman; Pussy is for ClosersHe's speaking at a macro-level. Yes there are two somewhat-related markets --- Sex and commitment --- not every woman is looking for commitment though. Don't get too hung up on who is "selling" who, that is unimportant. "Selling dick" or "buying pussy" -- yeah there is no real money being exchanged. He is just talking about the sexual marketplace. No matter where you stand as a male, it's obvious that it's a "pussy's market" -- which means when it comes to sex, the dick market is far softer than… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/18 07:10 PM |
| 0 | You Are a Dick Salesman; Pussy is for Closersare Louis Vuitton? You don't have to be a Louis. A couple notches above Walmart purse should get you PLENTY of ass. The average man (including here) are Walmart purses. It's tough to admit, very tough. Get your ass into the gym, the salon, the tailor, etcetera. If you haven't been laid in a year (which is generous) - you're probably a Walmart purse. Get working. affirmations are useless I agree, but that's where fake it 'til you make it comes in. Trust me, a fatass with an average face with enou… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/18 07:03 PM |
| 5 | You Are a Dick Salesman; Pussy is for ClosersThe frame of "I'm valuable as a sexual partner" is actually a very important one. You said this doesn't mean much, say, on a 200 lb whale woman. BUT -- it actually does. A fat chick with proper frame and game will do FAR BETTER than a fat chick who is extremely desperate and thirsty. YOU may still not fuck her, but nevertheless, it does grant her more ass, even as a woman. Now, in reality, a guy who is Beta Chode, the frame "I am the prize" can be difficult to actually believe and hold. AND, it … | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/18 06:52 PM |
| 2 | You Are a Dick Salesman; Pussy is for ClosersI disagree, you slam a girl the vibe is forever changed. A girl can barely "mean girl" you once you've slammed her. I mean sure, if you're in a hen-pecked marriage, different story, but if you have no obligations towards her ... vibe changes | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/18 06:48 PM |
| 3 | You Are a Dick Salesman; Pussy is for Closerssex with an alpha is a favor to the girl Why would an alpha pity-fuck a girl? Sex is a mutually beneficial exchange. I only fuck girls because I want to get my wick wet, and yeah of course I'll get her off, that's the whole point for her. strike while the irons hot Exactly. Every additional date is more chance to fuck it up. And if she offers sex and you refuse, her attraction will die. Women want to feel conquered/ the object of desire. a girl has sex with you makes her believe that you are a b… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/18 06:45 PM |
| 1 | You Are a Dick Salesman; Pussy is for ClosersYour sales thing is spot on. The story doesn't seem exactly related. It's a separate phenomenon. A girl's sexuality is HIGHLY dependent on being lusted after, being conquered (the opposite of male sexuality). It's odd to imagine but yeah, a girl gets turned on knowing you want to slam that vag. She has to 'feel beautiful/ sexy' to enjoy getting pounded. It's a reactive sexuality in a way. Not all girls want to fuck on the first date. BUT -- when a girl presents to you the opportunity to fuck her… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/18 06:35 PM |
| 1 | House Party Field ReportFirst of all well done; you hit on 4-5 women which is likely more than 90% of the guys there. Yeah some nights are rejection city; the girls either have boyfriends/ are not looking for action in the venue or whatever else. Hard not to take it personally, but just know that one positive interaction can turn it around. I've had slog nights where I had 10+ rejections, was in a sour mood (not good/ dangerous, usually guys that fight are soured like this) but you need to break that mood/ fake somethi… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/18 06:20 PM |
| 5 | The Feminist Reaction to Day GameYou don't have to publicly debate anybody/ everybody. That said I believe in freedom speech. If a literal toddler wants to argue for / against God or immigration, or an adult man-child --- no matter how stupid, their argument can be argued against. The danger of "you're too dumb to even debate" is that ... well that will be used by the Authority in power / whatever clown to seize power/ dismiss facts. Imagine if someone was anti-Hitler during the Third Reich and it was like "you're too dumb to e… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/18 05:50 PM |
| 11 | Game creates the perception of a high value male. Becoming red pilled makes you one.I wouldn't say that. To bed women, there is the product (your looks/ style/ aura/ money/ lifestyle etc) and there is the marketing/ sales (your game). Sure the lines blur a bit but the former is long term, the latter is 'in-the-moment.' Game isn't necessarily "fake". It's just social lubrication, salesmanship, and know-how to get laid. A great salesman can probably sell you a frozen Walgreens hamburger, but you'd still enjoy the fuck outta it. Game, in essence, makes women feel good about fuckin… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/12/18 06:50 PM |
| -1 | The Unknowability of Beta TurdI did my own research. sorry I can see an innocent man being nervous but the repeated lying and partisan hackery... he's a bitch boy | /r/TheRedPill | 28/12/18 12:24 AM |
| 2 | The Death of SantaEven if heaven were exactly like Earth or had a billiard table --- we're not talking a 100 years. Or 1000. Or 10,000 years (imagine living on Earth since the days of Ancient Rome). You'd be bored to tears of the same old bullshit in probably 500 years, let alone 10,000. Politics, power, people trying to get money and ass and fame. Toil. War. Eating. More toil. More war. Sigh. Boooring. Okay it's been 10,000 years. We're all one big happy family. Now the next 10,000. Okay how about a million year… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/12/18 10:37 PM |
| 3 | What i've learned from cold approaching over 350 womenThat's bullshit. If she's hot and sane, but not single, then she's fucking dating SOMEBODY. He apparently "has it all." What a bullshit saying lol | /r/TheRedPill | 27/12/18 09:19 PM |
| 20 | What i've learned from cold approaching over 350 womenYou must be young, but honestly even in high school, there were a ton of 32+ year old teachers I'd fuck. And no, they weren't all moms either. 32 isn't even all that old. Hell I'd fuck Tomay or Demi Moore in their 40s and many others. And then some. Having such sexual hangups that aren't even that extreme, is essentially, the same thing as only liking Chicken Tendies. Which means you only like socially approved, generic sex with white 18-22 year old women. Anything experimental whatsoever is "ic… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/12/18 09:12 PM |
| 11 | Uncuffing SeasonHoly shit dude. Not sure if it was 2-3 girls that occupied huge chunks of that time, but --- jesus lol. If you've dated 20-30 girls and they all sucked/ not worth the effort, that's not "women" - it's probably you. Maybe I'm unique in that I hardly ever commit in relationships or keep things gray, but I've never been "hen pecked" by women, I only buy gifts on my own terms (I think I've only bought one or two to be honest, EVER, for a girl I was fucking) -- coworkers were giving me huge shit rece… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/12/18 09:02 PM |
| -3 | The Unknowability of Beta TurdThe FBI was given a limited scope by Trump who for obvious reasons loved Kavanaugh. They refused to interview key witnesses because of likely the President's orders. The guy was not convicted in a court of law -- but I'd say odds are more likely than not he probably groped a few women in a drunken stupor. He looks and smells like a pussy but that's politics. There were too many connected pieces and constant lies. "Who is Bart O'Kavanugh" and then he literally signed a yearbook "Bart O'Kavanaugh"… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/12/18 08:49 PM |
| 8 | The Unknowability of Beta TurdOP's post was gold; we don't need to turn it into a sound board for Trump and the GOP. Trust me, nothing but Beta pussies as far as the eye can see there including Kavanaugh. Most politicians are the very definition of "I'll be whatever you want me to be" and spineless. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/12/18 08:45 PM |
| 3 | Online Dating ExperimentContinued --- The reality is that these "Apps" or any dating marketplace is a combination of "The Market" and "Your Place in the Market." Tinder is extremely crowded and filled with massive buffoonery of thirsty men. It used to be a hot app maybe 4-6 years ago. Now, it's pretty much trash. Every geekoid too afraid to leave his house is on there. A woman has to swipe through hundreds of men to even see you, and by then, she's fried. There are other apps with far less men. It's far easier to get p… | /r/TheRedPill | 21/12/18 08:26 PM |
| 3 | Online Dating ExperimentYour experiments are not that robust, and one could argue the "awesome Chad" from a male Redditor perspective is actually not even all that attractive to women. Men worship "muscles" more than women --- who actually even prefer big biceps to 6-pack abs. I'm sorry, straight men cannot assess male attractiveness unless they are more 'fluid' on the Kinsey scale. And straight women cannot assess female attractiveness unless they are more fluid. We both use heuristics to see who the opposite sex floc… | /r/TheRedPill | 21/12/18 08:17 PM |
| 4 | The Death of SantaYeah I'm just riffing. Nah I did the whole Catholic school thing - I haven't experienced a terrible tragedy or anything, I think it's just slowly dawned on me over time, that -- I do not believe God exists. I think it would be wonderful if he did (if he was really just and all knowing and all that shit). I just can't live a life of quiet Delusion. That's not me. Like, rationally --- there is absolutely zero evidence that God exists, or that religion is anything other than a Bronze Age delusion t… | /r/TheRedPill | 21/12/18 08:09 PM |
| 2 | [Dark Triad Strategy] How To Consistently Sleep With Women Out Of Your LeagueThis is hilarious if true. Forget the ebook of tips (sure there's a market) -- I'd like to hear stories of the hot college girls you bamboozled. Personally I feel it would be some effort to bamboozle people and you'd probably have to go to a classy bar or dinner place anyway. Like what about your car? She really expects a millionaire to Uber around? Also if you're really at that point, wouldn't be easier just to buy hookers off craiglist or something? ha --- my ego requires me to need a girl to … | /r/TheRedPill | 21/12/18 08:02 PM |
| 4 | The Death of SantaGod and Santa are very alike. Made up personas used as opiates (feel better) and to sell shit. Like, you fear rotting in the ground right? Losing loved ones? The meaningless nihilism of the universe? Injustice? Don't worry little Timmy, God's here! Only difference is that "everybody knows" Santa is made up bullshit, whereas God? Seems like that idea has only caught on in Asia and Europe, in America most aren't "in on" that joke. Your parents don't tell you they made up God because their parents … | /r/TheRedPill | 21/12/18 07:53 PM |
| 3 | Free Muffins!Your post: The Good: Irreverence and realizing other people can frequently be nuts, and you can't control their behavior (anyone's but your own), and goose fraba, akuna mattata, bitches be crazy, etc. Enjoy the ride of life. The bad: The idea that only "sluts" are like this, and your "Disney Princess Awaits." BZZZZZ! WRONG! Thanks for playing! Virgins/ sexually repressed woman (especially if they are virgins past age 21) are frequently MASSIVELY fucked in the head, and have their own problems. I… | /r/TheRedPill | 21/12/18 07:49 PM |
| 3 | [FR] How To Break A Plate In Three MonthsGood FR -- and seems 100% plausible to me. That said, it's obvious this isn't a dispassionate retelling of the story (like an actual study) --- but a "telling your bros the story of when you fucked Little Chiquito Mamasita" told with a generous dash of bravado and embellishment, etc. Which is good for a laugh and entertainment but when people are trying to learn game, it's just a nuisance. Most of the story is irrelevant anyway and just you trying Open Mic for your writing. Like the retirement p… | /r/TheRedPill | 21/12/18 05:51 PM |
| 7 | The Death of SantaIf you don't realize that Santa McFatFuck is exactly no different than God Almighty, then you're in for another rude awakening. Or not, you'll die and presumably rot in the ground, but yeah. God was made up to make everyone feel better. Like Santy Clause. You were told both exist as a kid, and there you go. | /r/TheRedPill | 21/12/18 05:21 PM |
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