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fleaflicker51/r/seduction26/07/10 06:09 PM
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Epic win.
/r/seduction28/08/10 09:39 PM
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Good progress with the weight loss and anxiety loss. As for closurefails, those things will happen, but not at the rate you're seeing them at. It sounds like perhaps you're having trouble spiking attraction, and that you may be alienating people, which is a DLV. If you neg everyone in sight, that may temporarily knock a girl off her pedestal, but it also pisses of your friends and causes people around you to look like they are not having a good time, which is a major DLV, and a signal to people …
/r/seduction21/08/10 11:18 PM
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NO
/r/seduction18/08/10 06:49 PM
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When in doubt, whip it out.
/r/seduction18/08/10 06:26 PM
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Read up a bit on text game and try that route. If you can escalate that to a phone call where you don't come off as a chump, then escalate that into a Day 2, and run standard game from there.
/r/seduction14/08/10 07:41 PM
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I see what you're getting at, and you're largely right. There is a paradox at hand: You can't generate attraction if you care too much, and you can't really come off as not caring too much if you care at all (women are experts at detecting incongruence). There are four basic cases here: Case 1: High value inside, Low value outside M3 is great for guys who show that they care more than they actually do; guys who have high value but suck at demonstrating it. Get better at selling the great product…
/r/seduction14/08/10 02:30 AM
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It's like the world is 40 Days and 40 Nights and you're Josh Hartnett. Better hope the world never becomes Pearl Harbor.
/r/seduction12/08/10 05:35 PM
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Fucking Kangaroos.
/r/seduction11/08/10 05:33 PM
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There's a lot of material on going in for the kiss. Plenty of youtube videos too. While you may have had good kino through the night, did you escalate it? Suppose that 0 is no touching and 10 is fucking. You were not at 0, because you were touching her. To women, I'd say kissing is a 5. You needed to be at 4 before attempting to escalate to 6. Were you? Hand on leg is probably about a 3. To be at 4 you'd need something like compliant, shared touching. For example, her willingly keeping her hand …
/r/seduction10/08/10 04:58 PM
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Hmm. I suppose.
/r/seduction10/08/10 04:36 AM
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How exactly does one DHV about a restaurant? Not to be an ass; i'm legitimately curious. Leader of Men? More like Eater of Food. Protector of Loved Ones? More like Protector of Funyuns. Preselection? More like Beef Selection. Willingness to Emote? More like Willingness to Gloat. What are these stories?
/r/seduction10/08/10 02:51 AM
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You keep reiterating that you have nothing to prove. It's like those people who keep repeating that they're not gay.
/r/seduction09/08/10 09:39 AM
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Win.
/r/seduction08/08/10 07:52 AM
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Why is this being downvoted? I want to know the answer, too. Just because the other guy was an AFC doesn't mean this guy had game.
/r/seduction08/08/10 05:35 AM
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Three sage pieces of advice here. Don't look for the "spark" in other women. At least, not right now. Look for that "spark" in yourself. If you are not at least that passionate about you, how can you expect someone else to be? Get awesome. Go into the bat cave and improve your intellect, your physique, and synthesize your life experiences in such a way that you have something both unique and intelligent to say when you talk to people. Do not emerge from the bat cave (figurative, not literal; if …
/r/seduction06/08/10 03:40 PM
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I'm down to sarge with you this weekend, but only if we are gorillaing the venue
/r/seduction05/08/10 09:35 PM
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Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you haven't started FTOW. The explanation of what happened has more or less been explained in other comments. I just wanted to add the bit about R/R. In other words, you fucked up, but not irreparably. You just need to completely exit her world for a bit, and live to fuck another day.
/r/seduction05/08/10 09:17 PM
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Reformat-reinstall. Let this one sit for a few weeks or months as you FTOW. Upon re-approach, don't make the same mistakes you made, all of which have been more or less outlined in the other comments. Good Luck.
/r/seduction05/08/10 08:13 PM
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I LOL'ed at this. Epic Trolling FTW =)
/r/seduction05/08/10 06:49 PM
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FClose or it didn't happen.
/r/seduction04/08/10 07:51 PM
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There was some text game pdf posted here a while back. Dig through and find it. Escalate the text to phone to IRL to fclose.
/r/seduction03/08/10 03:42 PM
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Bingo. The key is getting her in places where she can't be sarged. If she is as clingy about going out as she sounds, you should be able to control the venue fairly easily, which is like half the battle with this chick it seems.
/r/seduction03/08/10 02:28 AM
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You need to reformat reinstall on this chick. You've shown that you're capable of building attraction and comfort with a HB9, which is great. For some reason you can't seal the deal. I think there's some mid-game frame switching going on. Perhaps you're getting a few steps in the wrong order. Let this cool off for a bit. A week or two. Some stealth text game but no more. After that, go in again, THIS TIME NEVER YIELDING THE FRAME. This is difficult because as a HB9 there are constant obstacles (…
/r/seduction02/08/10 07:49 PM
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That's an interesting predicament. The hardest part will be what I will term the "re-approach." I would initiate hangouts with the mutual friends and try and steer them toward places where you're likely to run into her. Once this happens, game her like she's a new person (because, in a sense, she is after having traveled and been away for so long). Attraction, Comfort, Seduction. Boom!
/r/seduction02/08/10 06:55 PM
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TWSS
/r/seduction01/08/10 08:13 AM
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How well do you read body language? How good is your own? This might require an outside, objective, unbiased opinion from a good friend.
/r/seduction01/08/10 01:50 AM
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OVER THE LINE! MARK IT ZERO!
/r/seduction01/08/10 01:28 AM
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I'd need a bit more information. First, congrats on getting her to spend time with you in the first place and having the courage to approach her. Second, what was her emotional state during the date? What kind of body language did she give you? Her emotional state will provide you with the cues you need to guide the interaction. If she is giving you negative energy (short answers, distracted, in her own head with distressed or restless body language) you need to react to that accordingly. There …
/r/seduction01/08/10 01:26 AM
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Proactive (as opposed to passive)? Provocative (as opposed to mild)?
/r/seduction31/07/10 06:42 PM
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isolates the customer for a good minute or so Apple store? Unfortunately. You don't have a FTC. You have a RTC. At least, thats the impression I'm getting. What would happen if you stacked a story to keep her talking to you? Could you get away with that (since you have so much free time)? I think that's your best bet. Focus first on prolonging the interaction. Then spike interest somehow, and right when she's at an emotional peak (relative to the interaction, since after all this is an Apple Sto…
/r/seduction31/07/10 06:39 PM
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These were shit tests, but to be fair most women would not go that far in terms of being rude or inconsiderate. She straight up did not like you, but is too much of an avoidant child to have been straight with you about it. When women are too avoidant to reject, they string men along, which tends to be even more painful, inconvenient, and annoying. It sounds like your conversation with her on that first "date" landed you in LJBF territory because you qualified yourself to her (instead of the oth…
/r/seduction31/07/10 03:07 AM
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It's pretty obvious that your confidence is shattered. Even in text form, your negativity bleeds through subtext. I can only imagine this is communicated much more loudly nonverbally. Relax. There are statistics that exist to reinforce your viewpoint, but what good are they? Perhaps all it means is that asian men are socialized in a way that their approaches to women tend to tilt the odds against them. If you view the statistics in a frame or mindset where it's the women calling all the shots, t…
/r/seduction30/07/10 07:02 PM
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What is it that you can kick most people's ass at?
/r/seduction30/07/10 03:57 PM
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"women have to notice you as a possibility" is the kind of mindset you have to break. It takes practice, and doesn't happen overnight. Figure out what makes you awesome and really focus on that, which will put you in a better mental and emotional state for socializing. "Seduction" materials will then help you bridge the gap between having *an awesome person to offer others and others *accepting you as an awesome person. You can apply these techniques for being accepted in any context. This is a …
/r/seduction30/07/10 03:47 PM
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I think we're on the same wavelength here, I was just unclear. I should have been clearer about presuming (without concluding) that OP had a good product but sucked at selling it. I'll break it down into tripartite advice in a while loop: while(!gettingLaid) { //Part 1 if(your core sucks && that bothers you) {focus first on a CLIS; return;} //Part 2 if(your core sucks && that does not bother you) {it should; practice M3, but you're a douche that makes us look bad; return} // Part 3 if(your core …
/r/seduction30/07/10 03:42 PM
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I think Mystery has the best and most well-researched system. The problem is that people tend to take it the wrong way. They focus on the dogma (M3 to a tee) and not the objective (increasing your social IQ). I know people who started out as social 2s and are now social 10s. They needed someone to explain social dynamics in a way that made sense to them, which Mystery does better than anyone else. He took empirical data, realized that this data can be understood only by people with a high social…
/r/seduction30/07/10 05:56 AM
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Table 2 is my favorite.
/r/seduction29/07/10 09:22 PM
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Just keep gaming her, bro. Come back with a FR. Don't be too in your own head about it, especially around her. Just repeat to yourself: (1) I will not accept her frame, (2) I need to be the one toying with her emotional state, not the other way around. This sounds manipulative, but it's the only way to build the kind of sexual tension necessary to break through her objections. It's a way of dragging her out of her head (her rational self) and getting her to act instinctively (her emotional self)…
/r/seduction28/07/10 04:10 PM
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Told you so :)
/r/seduction28/07/10 07:34 AM
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That sounds like a LJBF, but her actions suggest otherwise (unless your perceptions, fed a healthy dose of delusional bias, deceive you--all we have to go on is your side of the story). If she is truly conflicted and still IOIing you, then she probably threw out a dummy LJBF to (1) ease some kind of external concern she has {for example, not wanting to tear apart some other friendship} or (2) get you to chase harder. A true LJBF comes with congruent action. She freezes you out, she dials down th…
/r/seduction27/07/10 10:05 PM
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Game 4 and flirt heavily with 1. Elevate their sexual value over his and that'll give you your best shot, although nothing is guaranteed.
/r/seduction27/07/10 08:50 PM
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He's got all the power right now. This goes against everything I believe, but if you really want this guy in bed again, act like you're not interested in him. He clearly values conquest. Or, even better, challenge his libido. You have mutual friends? Hit on the friend and imply that you're in need of good sex. That will probably put you back in his crosshairs, unless you're really transparent about it.
/r/seduction27/07/10 08:11 PM
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Well, I agree that a lot of women do things like that. But they're also keenly aware of when they're leading someone on and AT THE VERY LEAST they feel bad about it, which is why "friends zone" even exists--they want to pretend that a friendship is possible with a guy who wants to fclose her. Really it's just something resembling friendship but isn't really friendship until the guy legitimately loses interest and convinces himself that an fclose is outside the realm of conceivable possibilities.…
/r/seduction27/07/10 06:28 PM
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I caught all of that except for DSP. What's DSP? If I don't know this I'm a total AFC!
/r/seduction27/07/10 04:23 PM
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I think she's got some kind of psychological issue. On one hand, she clearly needs validation through being wanted sexually. On the other, she is afraid of letting people get close to her. I hate to say this, but she's damaged goods. She needs real help, perhaps even medication, to get over her issue. No normal woman would be able to dish out (or expect others to tolerate) that kind of emotional rollercoaster. I don't think she is entirely at fault here, because she likely has little to no contr…
/r/seduction27/07/10 04:18 PM
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I agree with that. But if a high note is not available, do you roll out or try again until you hit a high note?
/r/seduction26/07/10 07:54 PM
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FTOW. But yeah, this one might turn over time. Just don't invest so much frustration into her. No need to let this get to you :)
/r/seduction24/07/10 09:41 PM
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I wouldn't call attention to her shyness. Just tell her that it makes you feel kind of awkward when she grabs your hand, so you prefer if she gives you red/yellow signals.
/r/seduction23/07/10 05:12 PM
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You can use the old bondage convention of Green Light, Yellow Light, Red Light. She says Green, you can escalate She says Yellow, you can keep doing what you're doing, but do not escalate She says Red, back off Stay in Yellow and do what you can to build anticipation, curiosity, and desire. The more Yellow->Green states you can build in her, the sooner you'll Fclose.
/r/seduction23/07/10 04:43 PM
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Sounds like a trust issue. I think this is way too fast for her, and depending on how much you care about her, you should either FTOW or respect the boundary for now and dial down the rate at which you escalate so that it is not quite so shocking to her. Kind of like a workout routine: you gradually increase your max. But that's only if you care about her enough to be patient. I wouldn't hold it against you if you did not care enough to be patient.
/r/seduction23/07/10 03:37 PM
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Remember, react to what she DOES, not what she SAYS. In a conversation context, definitely listen to what she says and engage her on that level. As for these "waiting for an answer from God" business, I would encourage you to try and learn as much as you can about this. Really listen to the timeline that led her to this point. Ask her what she feels and why. Avoid conversations directed at reason, because that's not what motivates this sort of thing. I'd also try to find out if there are any oth…
/r/seduction22/07/10 11:11 PM
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I think that "boy likes boy" stuff is called yaoi. GG, man.
/r/seduction22/07/10 09:50 PM
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I think it is wrong for women to assume traditional societal roles simply because those roles were pitched to them as the only ones they could fill. I think it is wrong for women to be treated like they are incapable of doing things that are traditionally for men (things like police work, engineering, and gaming). I think it is wrong for women to be made to feel uncomfortable or unladylike for being the aggressor in a sexual encounter or romantic courtship. I think it is wrong for women to assim…
/r/seduction22/07/10 07:57 PM
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Well, if I have learned anything about women, it is that you cannot take what they SAY at face value. How they act and what they do are about 10 times more accurate. Do not let her words distort your instincts. If you sense these things about her personality, they are probably right. To the extent her lip service conflicts with your perception, ignore what she says. I don't doubt that she actually is considering the nun thing, but from the sounds of it, it is not for her. Is she the kind of pers…
/r/seduction22/07/10 07:43 PM
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Yes.
/r/seduction22/07/10 07:38 PM
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You seem to have a habit of buying into a girl's frame. For seduction purposes, that will get you nowhere. But, as a feminist, I have to admire your respect for her. I think you definitely dug yourself out of that hole you were in, which I also admire. If you are serious about not interfering with her decision, that is cool, especially since you do not have one-itis over her. Nevertheless, perhaps there are things about her personality, her spirit, that would make her unhappy as a nun. I do not …
/r/seduction22/07/10 05:45 PM
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Yeah, I saw the things. I'd say they're basically immaterial. They evidence what we already knew: that SOMETHING at least MODERATELY flirtatious occurred between the two of you. The question is whether her LBJFing was generalized (she's not comfortable with any guy asking her out that soon) or particularized (she's not comfortable with YOU asking her out that soon). I wish I could say it was the former, but knowing what we know about women, it was probably the latter. Use her unfamiliarity as an…
/r/seduction22/07/10 03:21 PM
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This.
/r/seduction22/07/10 03:15 PM
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The situation is not bad, but it is certainly not ideal. This looks to me like some pre-emptive friendzoning. There are two possibilities here. 1) Her "is this a date" question was a defense mechanism to something she may have perceived as creepy. We don't have the full conversation or nonverbal context, so there's no way of knowing. 2) Her "is this a date" question was a rare subconscious hiccup. She projected her hopes that this is gonna go somewhere by asking a seemingly innocent question. Pe…
/r/seduction21/07/10 07:47 PM
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