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| 10 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"? | Discussion | fluidcore | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 06:26 AM |
| 6 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not. | Discussion | fluidcore | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:32 AM |
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| 3 | Discussion: Consent and "Dread Game"No, I wouldn't have any way of knowing. But if he's such a big deal, and such a pro at it, such a prime target, brags about it constantly, and fucks so many women so ruthlessly... there ought to be at least an anonymous account about it. I've read many such accounts about various figures like Jian Ghomeshi and Sam Pepper and I totally support vilification of those people. I actually think Roosh has done an enormous amount to make himself a target, and I'm betting he secretly is super consensual … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/15 08:09 AM |
| 3 | Discussion: Consent and "Dread Game"I find the only word that means no is “stop.” If you hear that word then she’ll be asking you to leave soon after. First off, he's trolling you and posing as ultra masculine for his own benefit and cottage industry. None of this is transparent or made in earnest. Secondly, he is dramatizing token resistance. And yes, he's doing it recklessly, and he is a douche. It's still not an actual admission of rape, whether you like it or not. There are lots of people accused of rape who I believe are rapi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/15 07:13 AM |
| 3 | Discussion: Consent and "Dread Game"I actually think it's fascinating and quite telling that you call Roosh V a rapist. I'll quote Roosh V here: While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn’t give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated. I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do. It's amazing that you don't recognize that he has described a scenario where a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/15 06:01 AM |
| 1 | Question for RP: What do you think happened in between 200,000 BC and 10,000 BC ancestral times, when most of human psychological evolution took place?But you're saying those groups who live in a pre-agricultural level do not get married and don't mate-guard? Can you point me at studies about this, or is it just that Woodburn paper? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 09:49 AM |
| 3 | CMV: 3rd wave feminism is a thought policing tyrant which cucks academiaCrimes get quantified all the time. Quantified crime data is how they proved that toxic exposure to lead caused an enormous spike in American violent crime, including rape. It really debunks the theory that rape is cultural and not tied to violence, because the number of rapes were as uniform trend-wise as all other crimes. I don't know if anti-feminists entirely understand how the law works. People can drive with two drinks in their system, but we prosecute them for drunk driving because we wan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 08:29 AM |
| 2 | Question for RP: What do you think happened in between 200,000 BC and 10,000 BC ancestral times, when most of human psychological evolution took place?I don't understand what you're asking him, exactly. I'm pretty sure that in his example, there is no "your kids" because the tribe is so small that everybody is everybody's kids, because everybody's kids are essential to tribe survival. Which is obviously not the way we feel now. it's obvious now we feel like ONLY our kids are the tribe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 06:05 AM |
| 1 | Question for RP: What do you think happened in between 200,000 BC and 10,000 BC ancestral times, when most of human psychological evolution took place?I don't think the idea of a Cock Carousel makes any sense in a tribal setting. The whole idea of random hookups is very modern because you alienate yourself and itemize the sex. It's not interconnected or interwoven. In a tribal setting it would be more comparable to having sex with classmates you see every day in a university, in the modern setting. However, I should say that I have no idea if there is any proof of what he describes. Where is the proof that pre-agricultural man engaged in zero … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 06:03 AM |
| 2 | There is something seriously wrong with the psychology of a man who willingly becomes a cuckold and gets off on itWhat you're doing is really unnecessary and wrong-headed, psychologically speaking. You're connecting a tiny, tiny percentage of the population, who have a specific fetish and identity, with the mainstream's psychological problems. It has nothing to do with you or the average man/woman. If there are women out there who enjoy being humiliated in perverse S&M encounters, and you think that's normal, then all you have to know about these cuckolded men is that they have inherited some sort of female… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 03:47 AM |
| 3 | CMV: 3rd wave feminism is a thought policing tyrant which cucks academiaI feel like people don't understand enough about fetishism and narcissism. It's quite obvious to me that Bill Cosby suffers from both. I have been a huge comedy fan my whole life, I watched everybody, but I HATED Bill Cosby. I could never put my finger on why, but he just seemed soulless and utterly dead inside to me. Black people really must have been hurting for role models to idolize someone so passionless. He always looked like a sleep-walking asshole to me. I first saw him as a little kid w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 03:43 AM |
| 1 | Question for RP: What do you think happened in between 200,000 BC and 10,000 BC ancestral times, when most of human psychological evolution took place?I'd like to ask a few questions. 1) Am I right in guessing that you believe the source of grief and misery of class in human societies is based mostly on the greed and bad jurisprudence in having to not just divvy resources but also divvy social roles (which are limited and varied) when society became more complex but humans stayed limited, selfish, nepotistic and largely incapable of profound ethics? 2) Do you believe the anthropological theory that what we call "toxic masculinity" i.e. rape an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 03:40 AM |
| 2 | AWALT is a result of Red Pill men not being choosy enough.There is certainly some kind of personality and personality-assessment deficit going on within TRP, but nobody knows what it is. It's obvious that TRP is "the paranoid survivalist home-handyman libertarian" Ted Nugent type overall, and it's obvious that this type has specific personality dimensions. But since nobody can study that sort of thing definitively yet, we don't really know. As with any of this kind of overwhelming complaint about society, invariably the real problem and solution is the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 03:25 AM |
| 3 | AWALT is a result of Red Pill men not being choosy enough.oh good. So we've discovered that the basis for the stupidity of AWALT is the stupidity of NAWALT. Can we get rid of them both now? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 03:23 AM |
| 4 | CMV: 3rd wave feminism is a thought policing tyrant which cucks academiaI don't think you understand the thrust of what I'm asking. Feminists didn't invalidate male sexual assault. Society had already invalidated any concern about male sexual assault long before feminism was even a word. Before domestic violence was an issue, it's not like anyone cared about male victims. I don't think feminism is really to blame for it - I think men just straight up don't talk about it, at all. At any rate, yes, I agree that stupid identity politics people are quite well publicized… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 03:19 AM |
| 4 | CMV: 3rd wave feminism is a thought policing tyrant which cucks academiaBasically, I'm wondering how you could ever quantify any damage done by these stupid liberals you hate? How would you ever know whether you are railing against a significant threat to anything, or if you were just an impotent paranoid dude like the millions of people who listen to Republican talk radio or believe the government engineered 9/11? In other words, people who basically are mad about things they are half-right about, because there's some grain of truth in what they're mad about? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 03:04 AM |
| 6 | CMV: 3rd wave feminism is a thought policing tyrant which cucks academiaI have heard all this stuff before and am totally fine with people who think the rape industry is overblown. But I would like to challenge you to quantify the damage feminists and false rape allegations have done, without using anecdotes. Quantify -- using data. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 02:52 AM |
| 7 | CMV: 3rd wave feminism is a thought policing tyrant which cucks academiaFor me, the increasingly ludicrous numbers of women making the same claim about him suggests that he is likely innocent ????????????????????????????????????????????? LLLLLLLOLLLLLLLLLLLLL I can't with some of you people. Btw, virtually none of them stand to gain anything financial whatsoever, and are so far into their lives as mature women that their identity isn't helped by this at all. Who the EFF wants to publicly brag about being raped by Bill Cosby? If it was just somebody personality disor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 02:48 AM |
| 1 | Visceral reaction to Obamacare BoyIf you say so. That's not how people around here use the word so what's the point? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 05:08 PM |
| 2 | Visceral reaction to Obamacare BoyI just read your back and forth with wandering_mind, it fits pretty well with what I thought, that you feel alienated by the identity you think this guy has. I was talking more about a vague idea of culture war, not Obamacare. Lots of people are alienated by what they perceive as trust fund dipshits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 05:03 PM |
| 4 | Visceral reaction to Obamacare BoyI love how I'm supposed to believe someone who identifies as RedPill on Reddit wants us to know he hasn't remotely indoctrinated his kids into culture war signifiers that would please him. Excruciating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 04:54 PM |
| 2 | Visceral reaction to Obamacare BoyYour criteria for beta is so vague and useless. This guy is so far from being some fedora from a Minecraft convention, he's a perfectly well integrated alterna-dude. I mean, I don't like this ad, either, but give me a break. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 04:51 PM |
| 2 | Visceral reaction to Obamacare BoyMost of the studies about the poor mental health conservatives have are actually centered around this phenomenon of over-reacting to nausea stimulus. The studies show for example that conservatives have a greater fear response to images like spiders and maggots. I'm not saying that's your reasoning here -- but I don't understand why certain people are constantly raving about the more base aspects of a nonexistent "culture war". I'm guessing you have some kind of bitterness as an artsy libertaria… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 04:48 PM |
| 0 | Q4BP: What is the appropriate response when a women assaults you?Oh of course. women love being in the legal system, love going through a rape investigation, because it's easy and fun! Also, particularly because you say so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 04:20 AM |
| 0 | Assume that feminism has created a rape culture paranoia on campus and sexual harassment charges go around willy nilly for anyone women find creepy or unattractive. How does a man ask a woman out in this environment?So you're saying whatever the news tells you, that tells you how prevalent something is? No wonder people think a few activists have enormous power - they were in the news, so they must! Yeah! Who needs to know how many sexual assault and rape cases there actually are?! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 04:18 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP: What is the appropriate response when a women assaults you?I'm not insulting it, but what you describe sounds like medicating with adrenaline. The reason you feel real is because it replaces a chemical you're not able to generate without it. This is a general evolutionary principle behind risk-takers having ADHD/restlessness type traits. Again, not commenting negatively. I agree that aggression is a healthy tactic for releasing emotion if you are in control. If you end up in abusive situations frequently, then you may be attracted to narcissists or pers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 12:04 AM |
| 1 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!It really depends on what you call feminism. One strain of feminism (in popular imagination, at least) would start with women's right to vote, protests in womens' working conditions, women's right to choose, and anti-slut shaming. This is essentially the feminism that celebrities who mean well but are stupid will subscribe to. The average college woman, too. Then there's academic feminism. Most people when confronted with the reality of what academic feminism says will think it is batshit insane… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 08:37 PM |
| 1 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!Most of the pivotal artistic figures in my life have been either transparently autistic or literally diagnosed as such, from Charles Schulz to Courtney Love. But where do some of these diagnoses come from? Do you know the history on why, for example, Jim Henson and Charles Schulz appear on lists of famous people with Asperger's? Also, do you have citations on CHS's early teaching career or where that came from? Is it in her books? Curious for more journalistic info. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 07:49 PM |
| 1 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!I have no problem with people criticizing Islam. I just think it's part of a broader context of demogogues having oppressed people from which to cull the mentally ill and violent. We don't say anything about it, and I find that completely senseless. And we don't ever consider our own actions violent and immoral. It gets old. It seems like such a no-brainer that people we bomb feel the same way we do about being bombed. Yet it's somehow cognitively impossible for people to appreciate. Sure, yes, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 07:45 PM |
| 2 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!Yeah, all this is stuff I agree with -- I don't know much about the other women you mention, but I had just said something similar in a discussion only a month ago, that Christina Hoff Sommers really would have been a feminist ally but they dogged her out like Stalinists and eventually she had no choice but to take cover with neo-conservatives. It's pathetic! There really is no escaping it: they are a political cabinet with talking points and if you betray the party line, you must be destroyed. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 07:33 PM |
| 2 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!Someone just mentioned that the guy you are criticizing was sexually abused. I get that you probably don't CARE, but it's utterly normal in psychology for people to eat as a means to manage trauma. When someone close to me died, I started smoking, and eating became one of the only fleeting moments during the day that I was happy. I completely understand that people manage long term depression with food. Food for some is an addiction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 06:29 PM |
| 1 | Assume that feminism has created a rape culture paranoia on campus and sexual harassment charges go around willy nilly for anyone women find creepy or unattractive. How does a man ask a woman out in this environment?The point is, if the number of men accused falsely of rape is small, and the number of women protected is large, then it doesn't matter. I freely admit that we have no idea what these numbers are, but there certainly isn't yet an epidemic of kangaroo court rape investigations. Having said that, I am totally in favor of the push back they are getting. It is critical to freedom and liberty that people question the Title IX system and all that shit so that people have impartial judgment and appeals… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 06:27 PM |
| 2 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!And I think the way Anita Sarkeesian made her video series contributed ENORMOUSLY to anti-feminism. From what I can tell, the Stalinist monotone of her videos really, really, really offended an enormous number of people. She popularized the cult alarmist approach which was normal in academia but kept out of the public sphere. I think if Anita seemed human, seemed like she loved video games, and talked in any kind of even way about the things video games does right, she would not have triggered s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 06:25 PM |
| 2 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!Thanks for the insight and for sharing. That doesn't surprise me at all. I'm a progressive and I think it's absolutely disgusting how men's narratives of abuses are forbidden from the broad feminist perspective. However, we have to be realistic that men themselves suppress this dialogue as much as feminists do. Society broadly has a deeply inappropriate response to any type of trauma, even just the death of a loved one. Your neuro-atypicality is likely responsible for your highly literal and tra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 06:22 PM |
| 1 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!That's a profoundly myopic perspective. The Algerian War against French occupation took place so recently, in 1954, after a full hundred years of subjugation. Saying the bombing campaign is the only reason is like saying black people are only mad because of the U.S. prison system. Do you know what Wikipedia lists as the reason why France attacked, murdered and subjugated the Algerian people? It says King Charles X was not great at domestic policy in France and wanted to increase his popularity b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 06:13 PM |
| 1 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!Saying people are fat because they're lazy is the same as saying that you don't belong in a broad scale social engineering conversation like the one we're having. Human beings are machines and they are behaving the way they are for functional reasons, not because they are moral vs. immoral beings. Wake up. Personally, I think an hour of exercise should just be mandatory in workplaces. We should all just get used to the idea of having health. If people want to spend the hour doing only light exer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!Yeah. My family is autistic, in certain instances very severely. I'd like to think we are politically incorrect enough around here to go ahead and say "socially retarded" and call it like it is. I definitely think Karen Straughan is like Warren Farrell. I think under different circumstances, when feminism meant being pro-choice and anti-sexual harrassment, Karen would have been a feminist. It's just changed enormously in the past 10 years thanks to autistic SJW keyboard warriors. Now that the ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 06:05 PM |
| 3 | Assume that feminism has created a rape culture paranoia on campus and sexual harassment charges go around willy nilly for anyone women find creepy or unattractive. How does a man ask a woman out in this environment?I don't like the girl who carried the mattress around. She seems like a self-obsessed dipshit who had regrettable sex. Prove to me she's part of some overwhelming trend that in any way compares to the seemingly enormous freedom to get away with rape that men have had for so long now? I just wish you guys had the ability to articulate the fact that the pendulum is swinging, and yes, some men are being damaged by it. So what? Prove there's some kind of terrible trend, other than the fact that ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 09:48 AM |
| 4 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!MRM is at its best when it erodes certainty about the imperial power of the feminist establishment. But this is done by intelligent libertarians, not the subterranean freaks in MGTOW type communities. People like Sargon of Akkad and Karen Straughan are successful because they are quite clear and intellectual about deconstructing the most intensely knotted arguments and platitudes of feminism. They don't advocate madness and paranoia, instead they deconstruct academic ideology much like Camille P… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 09:44 AM |
| 4 | Would the MRM be more effective if it used TRP principles? Using a fat fedora wearing beta such as Dean Esmay as an example!Most people have concerns about health. I'm sure Dean knows he looks like shit, and is probably one of those people who gains lots of weight to medicate his sadness, and keep people from ever getting too close. This is a popular problem among tons of human beings. Why would anyone automatically deduce it requires taking on board some fringe message board philosophy wholesale? Just on its own, your question pretty much states that you have to be a Republican/Libertarian warmonger in order to fit … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 09:39 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The tone present on TRP DOES matter as criticism since it represents emotions that influence ideasAlso, I don't think it matters whether you concern troll or not. People are mostly convinced by what they already believe, and what they believe has mostly to do with their temperament and family upbringing. They are pursuing that for as long as it feels good. You don't hear any significant number of "I was rescued from feminism" or "I was rescued from the depths of MRA" type stories because the people who steer out of it just aren't myopic enough to fall in to begin with. Engineered in reverse,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 09:26 AM |
| 0 | CMV: The tone present on TRP DOES matter as criticism since it represents emotions that influence ideasFeminists don't care if you hate men. TRP doesn't care if you hate women. Feminists cultivate victim status in their writing ("the world is unfair and against me"). TRP cultivates criminal status in theirs ("the world is yours for the taking"). But feminism and TRP didn't invent being a loser or being a sociopath. They're ugly facts of psychological existence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 09:10 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP: What is the appropriate response when a women assaults you?Also, to answer your question, there is no right answer other than to never see or speak to a violent woman ever again. Yes, ever, for the rest of your life. They're called "boundaries". The law is a fucked up system meant to hurt you deeply, to the bone, if you even beg it for help. The law has to be that way, to some extent, or else everyone bitter would casually invoke the law against one another. So instead of healing people, the law just hurts both parties, at best by dragging you both thro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 09:07 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP: What is the appropriate response when a women assaults you?You have a much deeper personal problem than violence even has anything to do with. Violence is something two people do when they are addicted to rage, addicted to suffering, or have psychological deficits that cause them to think there are no other solutions to their stress. Last but not least people are violent if they're abused and poverty stricken. If you really want to live a life without violence, don't let yourself enter relationships with damaged people - or at all, if you just can't hel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 09:03 AM |
| 1 | Ex-Gawker feminist accidentally reveals the logical reason women aren't climbing the ranks.Congrats on inserting "status quo" into the problem and delusionally calling it libertarianism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 03:29 AM |
| 0 | Ex-Gawker feminist accidentally reveals the logical reason women aren't climbing the ranks.The article is true and a no-brainer for anyone interested in diversity. Women have weaker networks than men, and that's partly because the people above (and around) them aren't fellow women. Feminists don't treat this in and of itself as sexism, but they treat it as sexism in regards to the fact that women are digging their way out of it. Basically, the concept is that contraceptives, dual income and specialization are all things women have had to battle their way into in order to deal with hav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 01:07 AM |
| 1 | Which kind of an anti-feminist are you?Yeah, I don't relate to any of these. I just think feminism has absolutely no way to test any of their hypotheses, because they say if women are doing well, it's because we conquered sexism, and if they're doing poorly, it's because of sexism. To me it's just a cult of one-sided rationalization, and a lousy cottage industry for OCD people to commodify their misery. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 03:29 PM |
| 1 | Which kind of an anti-feminist are you?This is the third time I've seen you respond to something in this forum where, no offense, it seems like you really didn't understand the question being asked at all. Because the stuff you're saying is just totally unrelated to the specific track I was on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 07:07 AM |
| 2 | Do all women want dominant alpha males?I think this question is just a complete and total mess because 99% of the time people don't differentiate between dominant and confident. All the feminists everyone hates are dominant and not confident. Dominance purely in and of itself is as hideous as passivity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 07:04 AM |
| 1 | Women don't want to date pussies because they already have one. Men don't want to date dicks because they already have one.Don't hold your breath. Neither of them are saying anything based on common sense or science. It's just op-ed trash. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 06:58 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP: Why is it not ok to slut shame women, but women player shame men all the time?People who think "slut" is a real insult are barbarian imbecile trash not even worth talking to. It's like O'Reilly Factor level stupid. Calling someone a player is not about shame, in fact it indicates that the person you're talking about is more powerful than you and potentially evil. It refers to someone who is willing to seem interested in a relationship and lead you on in that regard, just to get pussy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 06:51 AM |
| 0 | Which kind of an anti-feminist are you?I struggle with this in terms of identity. There's this American thing where whatever gets news coverage is what exists and the only thing that matters, forever and ever amen. Meanwhile, basically everyone who isn't part of that hyper-PC wave of new feminists still remembers when you were a feminist just for being pro-choice and anti-sexual harrassment... Everyone is being forced to talk about things like "safe spaces," but I guarantee that 98% of the population doesn't even care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 06:18 AM |
| 0 | Which kind of an anti-feminist are you?This person you're talking to is not worth bothering with. They are just trying to be cool and prove how little they care. It's the internet, the place where people are happy to be unnecessarily excessive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 06:14 AM |
| 1 | Which kind of an anti-feminist are you?Can I ask you a serious question regarding your trauma? They have done studies on addiction in Vietnam vets. While in Vietnam, the soldiers fit the criteria for drug addicts, because they did so many drugs on such a regular basis, essentially to block out the horror of being there. If mental health problems were rooted in personal history, you would think these addictions would follow them back home. But they didn't - they found that people who were addicts before the war were the only addicts w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 06:10 AM |
| 1 | Why stop at Rape Culture?Does it matter that you can opt out of signing up for the crime in the first place? I mean literally you are signing up for something of which splitting your property now and in the future is one of the MOST BASIC PREMISES. Do you REAAAALLY think this type of argument would fly if a woman came in here and said it? "Yes, I signed up for it, yes I agreed to it, yes it was optional, yes I didn't use a prenup, but it's still wrong?" Wouldn't you just scream "victim culture"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/15 11:53 PM |
| 1 | Why stop at Rape Culture?Haha. I think empathy with me would make that a painful sentence for you to type. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/15 11:52 PM |
| 5 | "Doing things just to have fun" in an incel and red pill contextThe definition of introvert which suits me and which I have seen other introverts embrace across the board is that you can only recharge when you're alone. I am very outgoing and charming in social situations, unless I don't connect or my battery fails. I think introverts do fine at parties but only when they have an intimacy anchor, someone they are revolving safely around. Without an anchor, wandering around and having frivolous interactions, within a matter of minutes I will end up exhausted … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 11:49 PM |
| 6 | What are the good or positive effects of female sexual liberation?I agree. And I extended it, because his assertion is silly beyond that. He literally stated that their culture robs him of personal liberty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 11:41 PM |
| 2 | Why stop at Rape Culture?How could you possibly, on any intellectual basis, defend the position of "I signed this contract because I believed love was forever"? Is it mandatory to have a tear slowly roll down your cheek, wearing clown makeup while you say it? I realize it is a common explanation, but it is beneath contempt. If someone said it in an ordinary business context they would be laughed out of the room. The only way to sustain your argument is essentially to state that love is a mental illness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 11:39 PM |
| 1 | Question to all women: What does a guy with no standards need to do to be a worthy partner?Extroverted people with mental health issues still feel isolated and can't sustain relationships in the long term. Tell anyone working in psychiatry that mental health doesn't cause isolation on a widespread basis. See how they respond. They will stare into space wondering if it's OK to just say "uhhh......no" in response. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 11:02 PM |
| 1 | Question to all women: What does a guy with no standards need to do to be a worthy partner?Because "women" don't exist as a relevant simple category in this discussion. You don't want to find a woman, you want to find a woman with Asperger's. People with a similar brain state should seek each other, because otherwise it throws everything off. However, you have an evolutionary selection problem, because nature produces six times less partners for you with a similar brain state. I should know. I am gay and only 5% of the population is gay, in many places with only some percentage of tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:59 PM |
| 7 | At the RPW sub there is a post about how you shouldn't bad mouth your SO, why isn't there something similar at TRPYour basic point is that TRP is bitchy, negative, fatalistic and depressed about women. Their basic rebuttal is that those people are newbs to TRP and haven't elevated themselves. It's not gonna go anywhere past that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:55 PM |
| 6 | What are the good or positive effects of female sexual liberation?Yeah, the idea that men must inherently lose cultural ground whenever women stake out their own culture is one of the obvious unacceptable assumptions of anti-feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:51 PM |
| 1 | Question for TRP: Do you feel homosexuals are inherently degenerates?I just say we're gonna cuddle up stoned in there and watch Drag Race. They're doomed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:49 PM |
| 1 | Question for TRP: Do you feel homosexuals are inherently degenerates?Yeah, not surprising, then -- right? Now I am trying to drum up stats on sex partners in rarified urban areas like Brooklyn. Found this as a start: According to Karyn Bosnak, who researched the topic for her novel "20 Times a Lady" - about a New Yorker who vows to have sex with a maximum of 20 men - the typical New York City woman's number is twice the national average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:40 PM |
| 1 | Question for TRP: Do you feel homosexuals are inherently degenerates?Yep, totally. Also, I just read OKcupid found that 10% of women answered that the earth is larger than the sun, so just based on that I think it's OK to kill all women. I'm TRP now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:37 PM |
| 2 | Why stop at Rape Culture?Oh whatever. Alimony is even easier to argue against. If you didn't want to a part of alimony, you even more clearly violated your own so-called autonomy by voluntarily getting married and making a stupid contractual agreement with your partner and the U.S. government. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:34 PM |
| 1 | Question for TRP: Do you feel homosexuals are inherently degenerates?Where do you live and what are the cultural demographics of who you hang out with? It matters a lot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Question for TRP: Do you feel homosexuals are inherently degenerates?I will say this, however, in defense of your point of view. Gay men are 5% of men, and most of us live where there are even less of us than that who are out of the closet. So we don't really have an OPTION to be as slutty as we would be otherwise. In order to know gay men's true promiscuity (not that I care), you would have to see how they behaved with the same availability that straight people have, which is impossible to re-create. I do think that if all the gay men in the world lived in place… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:31 PM |
| 5 | Question for TRP: Do you feel homosexuals are inherently degenerates?IDGAF and I'm not bluepill. I realize it's counter-intuitive. I am gay and have had tons of sex, and there are tons of gay guys like me here in the Bay Area. But the Bay Area is not representative of gay people as a whole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:24 PM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.lul wasn't serious | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:22 PM |
| 1 | What are your interests outside of the pillsphere ?Comedy (watching, performing), video games, singing, getting stoned and listening to music, psychoanalytic reality shows like Hoarders/Intervention, anti-feminism lately. Talking about family and family histories. Discussing autism spectrum disorders. When I was younger read a lot of poetry and comic books, watched a lot of anime, was part of the 90s alt-rock experience (or whatever), had a happy avalanche of hookup sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:20 PM |
| 0 | Question for TRP: Do you feel homosexuals are inherently degenerates?Also, even though OkCupid is one of the best, most impressive purveyors of objective, unbiased sex/gender data, I'm betting you won't believe it anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:14 PM |
| 4 | Question for TRP: Do you feel homosexuals are inherently degenerates?"Last week one of the world's largest dating websites, OkCupid, collated and published the results of their user "match" questions, which are designed to find out as much as they can about their 4 million members in order to help them find dates. The statistics are startling. There is only a one percentage point difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals in their promiscuity: 98% of gay people have had 20 or fewer sexual partners; 99% of straight people have had the same number. Tellingly,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:13 PM |
| 2 | Why stop at Rape Culture?The words you use are much leakier than you think they are. For example, using your logic regarding why taxes aren't immoral, you can call alimony "fuck tax". Your dick creates new life which is a societal problem, your money solves it. Once you create a baby, you become a citizen of "baby city" by proving you fucked the woman involved. I am not taxed for baby city because I haven't enrolled as a person who got someone pregnant. I am not making an argument in either direction, just deconstructin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 09:36 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"I'm not a typical feminist, so for me the answers revolve mostly around money, education, work opportunity & related depression, mental illness and early life trauma. The human beings of Earth struggle to come out of the Dark Ages, but there are new, immunological problems. There's a study that shows people in the lowest rung of poverty literally have 10% less gray matter. Who knows what that means -- it means more than a few lost IQ points. The human race has enormous mental health issues which… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 09:28 PM |
| 1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Discuss populations on a large scale. But don't generalise. Got it. Makes total sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 09:19 PM |
| 1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Thanks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:44 PM |
| 1 | Question to all women: What does a guy with no standards need to do to be a worthy partner?This is from the case study of Hikikomori. ANY Autism Spectrum researcher will tell you these are pillars of an autism diagnosis, like late-developing speech and social isolation with private fascination in systems. This is not "one image", it is THE image of a person developing with autism: "In early childhood the patient had slight retardation in the acquisition of speech. He did not begin to speak until the age of 4. The pace of his speech was always very slow. He eXhibited a preference for n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:43 PM |
| 1 | Question to all women: What does a guy with no standards need to do to be a worthy partner?Anyway, long story short, I think approaching men and women as a psychological gestalt is the wrong approach. There are several significantly sized neurological groups within men and women which must be addressed, particularly when you talk about fringe behaviors like extreme social isolation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:14 PM |
| 1 | Question to all women: What does a guy with no standards need to do to be a worthy partner?Mental health problem does not equal social retardation Ummm... mental health problems don't equal socialization problems and social isolation? ............really? Seriously? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:09 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"No. I thought the rebuttal to his research was convincing but not conclusive. The rebuttal will be conclusive when his numbers cannot be replicated, not when they are simply questioned. No matter how you shape a criticism of a study, the only real counter-argument comes when you repeatedly produce different results. There is no evidence that his theory is untrue that rapists are a subset of the male population. There is lots of counter-evidence, like the studies about genes which are present in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:06 PM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.huh? My post doesn't state that the wage gap needs to be discussed. My post focuses on "caregiver-ism" rather than feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:02 PM |
| -1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.The way they're solving it is basically with red tape and lawsuit threats. Hopefully it will help women of color a lot more than horrible harpy types like Ellen Pao who don't need it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:58 PM |
| 1 | Question to all women: What does a guy with no standards need to do to be a worthy partner?Oh come on. Women commonly accept socially adjusted man cave types. That's why "man cave" isn't a weird word, it's just a word for the place where a guy brings his friends to watch football or whatever. It's not popularly stigmatized. I looked up Hikikomori. The frickin' Wikipedia entry said that one study found that 17 out of 27 of them had severe mental health problems. Several of those were autism, but I have no idea how strict their criteria was - you can be enormously loose or strict and en… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:50 PM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Any citations on this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:41 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"Nah. The whole reason I naively ended up in the situation was that years earlier he had come out to me as gay. The reason he juggled the situation was because of his neurological issues. He had erectile dysfunction and sought out medication via heroin (was an addict for a while- and I don't mean it fixed his erectile, I mean it fixed whatever happiness deficit was involved in the erectile dysfunction) and, as many others do, he also fixed it through perverse sexual encounters. That's why I compa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:38 PM |
| 1 | If TRP is wrong, how do you explain why some men are very successful with women while others are not?I don't think it's THAT hard to avoid Type A, aggressive women, as long as you aren't dating in finance or the arts or whatever. If you are dating in the arts community like Neil was, you have my sympathy in general, because people in the arts are batshit crazy and awful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:36 PM |
| 1 | Question to all women: What does a guy with no standards need to do to be a worthy partner?Dude, you are the one who specified "socially isolated". Socially isolated is a significant neurological type. You and I are communicating on Reddit at 5:30 in the morning. You tell me what's going on. I already identify as an introvert, and I know it's inherited from my family's autism. I spent about four hours today playing an RPG. Yes, women are less socially isolated than men. The question is, what degree of relative isolation are we talking about here? Asperger's produces social isolation a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 01:22 PM |
| 1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Why is it so easy to Google education inflation, healthcare inflation, and mortgage inflation? What is your counter-argument other than "you could just go live in a shack"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 01:00 PM |
| 1 | Question to all women: What does a guy with no standards need to do to be a worthy partner?If you're talking about social retardation, and not video games -- which you are -- then we must confront the fact that there are simply less socially retarded women. Autism in all its myriad forms affects about six times as many men. You're not talking about "men" in your formulation, you're talking about someone with Asperger's. Introverts have a hard time finding each other, AND there are less women with Asperger's. I don't say this with disrespect or obedience to cliche. My parents are both … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 12:53 PM |
| 1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Good data. Thank you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 12:44 PM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing. Yes, we have relative abundance compared to most of human history. But we are still going backward economically from where we were only a few decades ago, for no good reason other than corporate corruption and cheap labor offshoring, meanwhile core costs for education, housing and healthcare are radically inflated. I guess my point would be that it's unnecessary. Yes, people can solve it using "reasonable means". That's why people in droves in the U.S. a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 12:39 PM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.But my point being... doesn't that mean you can't prove women choose men who earn significantly higher income, and instead it could just be that they have kids and it affects their career? How would you prove women choose men who earn more rather than that they choose to disable their income by having kids? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 12:29 PM |
| 1 | Question to all women: What does a guy with no standards need to do to be a worthy partner?More women own a video game console than men. Women watch tons of video content all the time, they are constantly pigging out on trash media. I'm not saying some BS like women are nerdier than men but they are slobby dumpster piles just like men. They want to come home and pig out and watch trash TV and play their angry birds and candy crush etc etc. Don't give in to the stereotype that women compulsively look down on men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 12:27 PM |
| 1 | Correcting RP/MRA Rape MythsI am cool with a bunch of stuff you posted. But: 1a) How would you ever know when something that occurs is "a part of culture" or "not a part of culture"? It seems so completely obvious that you can just say whatever you want. Like that anecdote about the judge. Why is a fucked up evil judge part of typical culture or not part of typical culture? (The phrase "rape culture" implies that our culture itself has a sort of even quantity of rape culture distributed smoothly within it.) In other words,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 11:31 AM |
| -1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.It's normal for highly technical people to be late-developing socially in one dimension or another, and to end up deconstructing or sidestepping societal norms. I don't mean "late-developing" as a bad thing, either. It can just mean someone who stays in one state of development longer and becomes out of step with the masses. The rest of humans don't follow the same developmental arc, that's why he/she feels it's casually obvious to sidestep the family-building decisions others make. I think it's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 11:18 AM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.I was saying nobody's a victim, d00d. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 11:16 AM |
| 1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Yup. I just think it's funny you don't think men rely on women to spend their money the way men rely on women to raise the kids. The opposite stereotype is just as easy, that without women, men would be a pubic hair covered mound buried under Totino's pizza wrappers, raving about politics and religion, fucking the space between couch cushions. I'm sure MGTOW would rather imagine them whittling a perfect birdhouse while gazing stoically into the serene horizon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:56 AM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.I mean ok whatever. I agree it was the pill and the industrial revolution. But WWII did cause a 10% increase to women in the workforce. I only mention it because it's essentially part of the industrial revolution, in the sense that they were technical factory jobs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:50 AM |
| 2 | If TRP is wrong, how do you explain why some men are very successful with women while others are not?People who just happen to live in LA? Good Lord. Why would anyone do that? Yes, I meant industry people and "top of their field" Type A people. But there are a lot of those, and those would be the only ones Neil Strauss would come in regular contact with. His longtime gf was a guitarist in Courtney Love's band. Now he's with a foreclosure seller and swimsuit designer. These are not typical women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:44 AM |
| 1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.The weirdest part is men don't even like children. They did all that stuff you mentioned just for pussy. They knew how to fuck their hands, but they couldn't resist. Plus, women fainted a bunch and it made them all worked up. And when other dudes came and raped their women, they got all upset. If only they knew they could have just stayed home and played Xbox... The worst part is it's all just dicks and pussies floating on a rock in the void, waiting to be destroyed by time and entropy. We're wr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:43 AM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Am I missing something because it's 2:00 AM or is there a basic logic problem here? Does this basically state that average women are earning less than average men, and women date men, so on average women date men who make more because men make more? Like are these linked data points in a relationship or just averages on their own? Apologies, it's late, my brain is fried. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:16 AM |
| 2 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Totally there have been steady workforce changes in the industrial age. I have always believed the industrial period had more effect on so-called feminist identity than anything else. That is basically my point that feminism was not responsible for identity changes in womens' lives, but instead industrial capitalism. There's no way to know "for sure" whether it's true, but the concept is that those heavier gains which began in the 60s and 70s were due to the new identity women had because of hea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 10:02 AM |
| 2 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Spending is down on frivolous goods, often by 30% on things like clothing. All costs are up on core expenditures like healthcare and education. Parents report most increased expenditure on housing is due to placement in the best school districts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 09:59 AM |
| 1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Thanks. Were you interested in anything highly technical as a kid? Super into computers? Do you have any synesthesia, like thinking in pictures? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 09:49 AM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Thank you. It's interesting, isn't it, that there is no earnings difference in the men & women with no children under 18 that are divorced, separated or never married? I wonder which of those other statuses is the lion's share of it, or what is at play there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 09:47 AM |
| 5 | Why do women only have to meet one requirement-be hot, whilst men have to meet numerous requirements, to be considered datable?Translation: don't tell me to look at any studies, I will make up whatever I want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 09:15 AM |
| 5 | Why do women only have to meet one requirement-be hot, whilst men have to meet numerous requirements, to be considered datable?There is no difference in sex drive. Thats a myth. You're an even hotter mess than I thought. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 09:14 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"I see. Thanks for responding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 09:12 AM |
| 1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.What do you do for a living, and what did your parents do? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 09:11 AM |
| 2 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"When people gang up and commit a crime, usually they are all from a shitty background, and are led by an exceptionally sociopathic person in the group. I live in a shitty urban neighborhood and there are tons of black kids playing in the street all the time. They are mostly good kids, but the ones from the Section 8 housing with the insane, alcoholic mothers and abusive boyfriends come around and give the other ones an enormous high from running amok and pushing the boundaries into terrible plac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 09:07 AM |
| 3 | If TRP is wrong, how do you explain why some men are very successful with women while others are not?Thank you. And I mean for God's sake, the women you are dating in a rock or porn or acting scene are not typical women. Women in LA are so radically different from women in almost any other city in the universe. I literally mean in their brains and genetic structures. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 08:59 AM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.It is relevant. The lion's share of bankruptcies involve people with kids. I get that you see having kids as a choice. But I don't think that is a rational way to discuss social engineering. I'm not making an ad hominem attack, just guessing why you have no empathy for the core costs I mentioned which are essentially associated with a family. Out of curiosity, do you consider yourself a MGTOW? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 08:54 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"That's terrible. I'm sorry. I'd like to ask you another question because this kinda stumbles on something I had a feminist conversation about not that long ago. It was about the whole Ray Rice thing. I argued that it's actually not OK to date professionally violent men who take testosterone and other drugs and then make a living hurting each other. Men in the NFL skew far ahead of the normal population on only crimes of violence (no other types). My personal feeling is that it's not progressive … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 08:49 AM |
| 2 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Do you have kids? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 08:43 AM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/11/two-income-trap | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 08:16 AM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.I can't find any pre-birth control pill statistics on women's age of first child born. The only thing I can find is that in 1970 the first child tended to be born at 21, and now it tends to be at age 26. As you might expect this has a huge impact on a woman's identity because if she is having kids at 21, she is sort of bullshitting around about going into higher education, whereas doing it in your late twenties means you could have finished even grad school. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 08:12 AM |
| 3 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Seriously "women workforce WWII" is like an endless Google search of basic historical record. It's not fringe feminist theory. Also I wasn't saying your theory was vague and psychological, I was saying my statement that the birth control pill was vague, because I didn't provide statistics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 08:06 AM |
| 3 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.That's your final argument? That in return for increased childcare and housework, women get less suicide? Preeeeeeeeeeetttttyyy weeeeird, duuuuude. Life expectancy in work circumstances can't possibly matter to the majority of working people in the U.S. at this point... I mean I know that's an MRA talking point or whatever, but seriously only like 4,500 people die in the workplace each year, in a country of 320,000,000 people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 08:03 AM |
| 1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.I didn't guess at their benefit, or suggest enacting/revoking them. You did. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:58 AM |
| 2 | If TRP is wrong, how do you explain why some men are very successful with women while others are not?Wake up. He lived in LA and was contributing editor Rolling Stone, interviewing and writing books for Marilyn Manson, Jenna Jameson, Motley Crue. This was all before 2001 when he joined the PUA community. He joined PUA after a massively successful writing career as a journalist in the completely bizarro world of Los Angeles, heavily affiliated with BOTH ROCK'N'ROLL AND PORNOGRAPHY. The guy is meaningless as an example of human circumstances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:56 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"So, I was sexually assaulted by someone in a Bill Cosby style where they groped me while I was entirely incapacitated. I still don't know if he drugged me, but he was very excited and muttered over and over to himself about how sorry he was that I felt bad while he groped me. It was very obviously a perversion based on my incapacitation. And all of my closest several friends have been raped. Having said that, do you mind if I ask you why violence was an option toward your ex's tires but you coul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:52 AM |
| 2 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Your response is anti-intellectual and knee-jerk libertarian. The question is not whether anti-discrimination or paid maternity leave have a cost but what the cost is and what the benefit is. And yes, I assume that since there is no cost/benefit analysis of anti-discrimination coming up in a Google search that people like you have no basis for the argument. It's just a generic "free market" talking point with no impulse behind it other than hating government oversight. Not interesting and not in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:45 AM |
| 3 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.But the main things you're describing as royalty... which families are trying to attain... is not the quality of life as you describe it. It's college and education for their kids. And healthcare, which you can't really "tell them" they don't need. Human beings will fight for healthcare they "don't need" whether they can achieve it or not. That's a given on how we should view the human animal if we are discussing them from a position of social engineering. I think what you're doing is kind of ho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:40 AM |
| 1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.I think your reply is very logical and well-reasoned. What I would like to know is this: how much more do men make in the average relationship than women? Is it substantial? I am curious and trying to find a study which answers this. I don't want my knowledge of this to be purely anecdotal. There is so much hypergamy stuff in these forums and I'm curious how impactful it really is on money. Your rebuttal that women make the bulk of purchasing decisions is persuasive, weird to me as a gay man, an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:36 AM |
| -4 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.I don't necessarily disagree. One pay equity feminist I know was telling me she thinks that we have to enable more virtual/part-time workplace options with extensive maternity leave, to sustain women in keeping their jobs while doing early life childcare, because the imbalance on childcare isn't going anywhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:32 AM |
| 5 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Well, I agree that once you calculate everything out, you can't make any kind of argument that life is worse now. That's a given. Life is much better now. But that has no bearing on my original question which is how people should intellectually discuss addressing the imbalance of work in womens' lives if we are discussing anything at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:28 AM |
| 2 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.I don't. Is there some kind of study that argues I should? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:24 AM |
| 3 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.The concept that WWII changed sex in the workforce is basic, universal history. The idea is that when the war ended and men came home, women had "tasted" work and didn't go back to not working. At the same time, the birth control helped disrupt the assumption that a woman's biological development was to have their first child around the age of 21, thus ending their career. Women started to plan on having a career, not plan on having a baby. This is vague and psychological of course, but it's wid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:22 AM |
| 1 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.I have lived overseas. I will be the first to tell anyone that lower-middle-class people in America are incredibly privileged in terms of quality of life. But structurally speaking, what you're saying is not accurate, in the sense that people do NOT spoil themselves with clothes and fancy cars, and that they are trying to keep up with core costs like college which have INSANE inflation. You are aware that the things I mentioned above, like college and healthcare and mortgages, have experienced i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:18 AM |
| 1 | If TRP is wrong, how do you explain why some men are very successful with women while others are not?Your first sentence I totally don't understand. It reads to me as "I mean that an attractive person is attractive regardless of how attractive they are." Does someone being hawt mean something other than being attractive? I think you're saying the 9 can settle for 1-9, but the 4 can only settle for 1-4. Makes sense, of course, except that the 9 doesn't want a date with the 4, so my point being that the 9 is generally happy with 7-9 while the 4 is generally happy with 2-4. Don't get me wrong, I'm… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:12 AM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.I mean, don't get me wrong. I think your central statement is absurd on the face of it, since worldwide women always work their asses off - it just isn't always paid. In Southern Asia, Western Asia, and Africa, only 20% of women work at paid non-agricultural jobs. Worldwide, women's rate of paid employment outside of agriculture grew to 41% by 2008. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 07:00 AM |
| 5 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.Is your argument that women did not in fact enter the workforce because of WWII and the birth control pill, even though that's what historians seem to universally perceive as root causes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:59 AM |
| 3 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.I don't think that's a reasonable assessment of the way economics have changed. Fixed costs have all gone through the roof: healthcare, higher education, and housing. Yes, it's true, that childcare and owning a second car, all that stuff can be a trap. But the families are really pursuing a second income not because of feminism or stupidity, but because they are chasing stuff that is now semi-impossible, like owning a house in a good neighborhood with a good public school, having healthcare, and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:54 AM |
| 2 | If TRP is wrong, how do you explain why some men are very successful with women while others are not?Are you...saying that people don't pair up for attraction or one night stands based on relatively similar physical attractiveness? Because that's what Matching Hypothesis is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:49 AM |
| 0 | The wage gap numbers are a misrepresentation, but the reason behind the wage gap is not.This logic (or lack thereof) means you shouldn't be in a forum devoted to discussing people's broad-scale circumstances. You're just stuck in an anti-feminist loop of "don't ever feel bad for women". Which isn't what I'm asking anyone to do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:47 AM |
| -2 | Discussion: what's your guys thoughts on the comment with regards to rape and consent?You won't know it's bad law until you observe how it behaves pragmatically in the real world. There is no counter-argument. If 1,000 new cases are prosecuted and 20 of them are fake, we will have to discuss whether or not it's worth it. If 100 of them are fake, we will have to discuss whether or not it's worth it. If 500 of them are fake... you get the idea. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:34 AM |
| 12 | Why do women only have to meet one requirement-be hot, whilst men have to meet numerous requirements, to be considered datable?They don't. Both sexes have numerous dimensional requirements. Are we done here now? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:31 AM |
| -2 | Discussion: what's your guys thoughts on the comment with regards to rape and consent?You might be missing an essential distinction. I agree that calling any intoxicated sex "rape" is insane. However, that's not quite what feminists are really doing. What that new California law does is criminalize intoxicated sex, and basically force men to be more careful to avoid prosecution for intoxicated sex. In other words, you should not only address these types of laws as ideological. They are also pragmatic, in the sense that they essentially put men on a back footing where they have to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:06 AM |
| 2 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"My problem with this conversation is that there is this perfunctory assessment that women are somehow heroic for not doing anything about it. (I'm not talking about you - I applaud your revenge.) Men don't get an explanation or excuse for why they raped someone. Women get an explanation and excuse for everything, even if they take no action whatsoever. Magically, they are clever and adept because hey, if they said they were raped, it would be embarrassing and they'd be blamed -- they're incredib… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 06:00 AM |
| 2 | If TRP is wrong, how do you explain why some men are very successful with women while others are not?You can't be, technically. Even if you met the ones who show up to red pill meetings in person. The only people you can know are the tiny .0001% of them who post or show up. The rest of the 100,000+ who subscribe don't ever say anything. We don't know what the difference is between those who post and those who lurk in ANY forum, anywhere, unless they have a survey which penetrates the regular readership somehow, without bias. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 05:55 AM |
| 3 | If TRP is wrong, how do you explain why some men are very successful with women while others are not?Duh. Looks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matching_hypothesis | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 04:18 AM |
| 13 | If TRP is wrong, how do you explain why some men are very successful with women while others are not?Congrats on basically making up whatever you want and having no objective basis whatsoever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 04:15 AM |
| 2 | If TRP is wrong, how do you explain why some men are very successful with women while others are not?Neil Strauss was famous and dating in LA. Can you comprehend how untethered from reality that makes him? Why do you guys even discuss this stuff when all you can think of are ridiculous, obscure circumstances? Neil Strauss isn't even worth mentioning as an analysis of anything normal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 04:13 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"Didn't say you did. Just curious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 03:41 AM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?Autism is a condition where a person finds themselves incapable of experiencing an empathic theory of mind, where they cannot enjoy or appreciate the imagination of others' thoughts. Narcissism is a kindred condition where you essentially busy yourself with projects of self-improvement and self-worth to avoid the void you suspect is always lingering, and part of that void is the inability to connect with others emotionally. One diagnostic question to ask yourself is: are your moods regulated by … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 03:06 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: what's your guys thoughts on the comment with regards to rape and consent?Rough summary: people agree that drunk sex isn't rape, but sex with an utterly incapacitated, nonconsensual person is rape. I mean, if a girl barfs on herself in bed... for fuck's sake. I am a very slutty person. I love hookup sex. But I don't respect the constant intersection some people have with drugs and sex. I wish both parties, male and female, were discouraged. It seems to bring a lot of grief and regret. I don't want men prosecuted for drunk sex, but I do wish college students in general… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 02:59 AM |
| 3 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"If you look at studies of men in prison, more men are raped in prison than women are outside of it. But society is classist and believes in mens' disposability, so nobody cares. And it's for damned sure true that men won't talk about being raped in prison. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 02:44 AM |
| 4 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"I like your explanation. It's very rational and thorough on the whole. However, anti-feminists have a lot of strength because they offer the following counter-arguments, to which feminists seem to have basically no follow-up. 1) women uphold so-called rape culture CONSTANTLY but are never criticized for it, by acting submissive or by making token resistance a regular part of their behavior. When men pursue rape in their fantasy lives, e.g. pornography, it's viewed as supportive of rape culture; … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 02:23 AM |
| 3 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"Just out of curiosity, do you want sexual encounters that involve unwanted intrusion, like a slap on the ass, or coercive sex, to be regarded as rape by statisticians and feminists, even if the women themselves don't regard those incidents as rape when asked directly? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 02:14 AM |
| 1 | Are personal anecdotes solipsism?I don't think women would be initiators of divorce in such high proportion, or that men would be so dejected about divorce, if these caricatures held quite so much water. I think the idea of needing a partner has been de-stabilized by modern life in general. Given all the stereotypes about women working harder on relationships than men, they shouldn't be abandoning them nor should men be so sad they are over. I don't think that women receive benefits from marriage now that they are in the workfo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 02:09 AM |
| 1 | question for both pills: Do women try to control men with sex?People used to dictate how women behaved and what women studied and how women dressed and then sell them off into marriage. Now it is up to you what happens to you, and what happens to you could be anything. You could just plain not get married, and we don't even as a society think of you as a shrew anymore, particularly. If you feel societally pressured in that regard where you grow up, then when you're 18 you apply for college in a liberal city like Austin or San Francisco and move away. You h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 01:59 AM |
| 1 | question for both pills: Do women try to control men with sex?"This is how the world works" should not be enough to fuck up your sexuality. I don't like arguments of this nature -- they seem particularly delusional about the modern world. Never before have humans been more abandoned to discover themselves without societal pressure, and with cultural tools like the internet and pornography at their fingertips. You really should be able to experience yourself for who you are. Parents and school abandon you to your real, private thoughts. Every child knows th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 01:57 AM |
| 2 | Anyone else think TRP/MGTOW is nonsense, but also think TBP/Feminism is equally ridiculous?People are just dumb in their teens and twenties. It's in proportion to their self-delusion, greed or ambition -- they feel they deserve some particular trait in a partner which is unsustainable, like someone too pretty for them, or oversexed, or too submissive, etc. They ignore the well-rounded person who comes their way. It's the hubris of youth. Somehow, TRP is always this constant avalanche of women being too picky and men begging, waiting, for a chance to love someone. It's so absurd when y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 01:55 AM |
| 1 | Anyone else think TRP/MGTOW is nonsense, but also think TBP/Feminism is equally ridiculous?That is a hot mess of an opinion. The idea that everyone is alpha and beta in varying degrees is like saying they aren't alpha and beta. Alpha should mean someone who acts dominant and is incapable of acting submissive. Beta is the reverse. People who have a bunch of non-dominant or non-submissive behaviors shouldn't be called alpha or beta. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 01:49 AM |
| 1 | Anyone else think TRP/MGTOW is nonsense, but also think TBP/Feminism is equally ridiculous?People are addicted to the news, but it takes a certain kind of lure, where the article's actual content and challenge to the intellect is very slim, but the example being given is a highly reactionary litmus test. In other words, it has to be easy to form your own opinion about it, but ALSO to imagine the opposition's opinion, so that you are plunged instantly into a combative state about it. The goal is to make you feel a surge of confrontational emotions about it, like you're righteously ridi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 01:41 AM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?I really don't have a polite way of saying this, but I don't mean it in a personally offensive way: your description of the context of your career is depressing and very strange. At any rate, it doesn't surprise me that you mention a family of lawyers, and that you went into programming - families on the autism spectrum are usually highly specialized in their field of interest, produce engineers and engineering types, and include very, very strange, sometimes HYPER-controlling behavior. Autism s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 01:38 AM |
| 2 | Question to all women: What does a guy with no standards need to do to be a worthy partner?I don't think your formulation for "no standards" makes any demonstrable sense. To one woman, the man looks "worse" because maybe he plays video games all day or whatever. But these aren't standards. They are incompatibility. Another woman sits watching TV in another room or reading magazines while he plays video games and likes it just fine. These kinds of dynamics are what two otherwise equal people will encounter. The guy you describe who "just wants to be in a relationship, and has no standa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 07:38 PM |
| 2 | [Discussion] If sex can be meaningless, sexual infidelity is fineDiscuss what? You already stated the obvious at the outset, that sex involves some sort of relationship, no matter how debased. There's nothing to discuss because meaningless sex doesn't exist. How you spend your time (time spent romantically without your main romantic partner) will almost always register as "something that matters" to your partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 07:30 PM |
| 8 | CMV: There is more of a "vilify men and yell rape culture" than there is a "rape culture"The real physics problem of rape which feminists are upset they can't tackle is that women suppress rape. They don't run around and yell about it to everyone. A man in a relationship with a woman came on to me (I'm a guy) and had drunk sex with me at a party after everyone left. The day after, I went to his friend and said "what's the deal with so-and-so, isn't he just gay? Why does he say he has a girlfriend?" This basically blew up the whole situation. He was a total closetcase and had been le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 07:18 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Sexual Market Value is not very useful metric, and Relationship Market Value would be better for most circumstancesLOL why not just use the same terms every average person uses? Who needs magic TRP terminology for common sense? "She just wants to have fun, she's not looking for something serious" or "that girl's just a crazy barfly slut" is what people have been calling it for decades. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 07:12 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Sexual Market Value is not very useful metric, and Relationship Market Value would be better for most circumstancesI don't think "beauty fades" or SMV vs RMV make coherent sense in the face of studies that show people of relatively similar attractiveness consistently settle down together. If people really made adjustments all the time based on this feature or that feature of someone's "RMV", they would find inconsistent results on physical attractiveness. Yes, some people settle down with lopsidedly attractive people, but it's not very common. The truth is that SMV is a system of paranoia where people try to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 07:08 PM |
| 1 | does anyone else agree with my prediction about a possible future for the human species?People already spend tons of time on porn and Youtube. I don't see how sexbots are much worse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 03:48 AM |
| 1 | question for both pills: Do women try to control men with sex?Women will always be on the back foot to use sex in an at least somewhat premeditated fashion because anyone who wants less sex than their partner is automatically in that position. Women are even more in this position because they want foreplay and men relatively speaking don't care about it. This is what I call the essential physics problem for women. The collaborative, supportive person who wants an empathic approach will instinctively and automatically lose ground to the confrontational pers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 03:45 AM |
| 4 | question for both pills: Do women try to control men with sex?Men will never understand how comfortable women are with describing enormous aspects of their personalities as being created or induced by society. These ideas are so insane. Like when feminists argue eating disorders exist -- people literally starving to death -- because they read too much Cosmopolitan magazine. "I'm dying! I ... saw too many models!" Your sexuality was created and controlled by some advice from your mother? If women really functioned this way -- which they don't -- I would sug… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 03:41 AM |
| 1 | Which culture do you think will end up being more dominant ?Somebody will invent something that allows people to stop spending their entire lives chasing money. Then all bets will be off. Eventually, it's not gonna matter, and we're going to find out what sort of culture people create without the need to fit into communities to survive. I have no idea what it will look like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Are personal anecdotes solipsism?You have run into the typical TRP sexism at the heart of otherwise interesting philosophy. Everyone has these flaws, but in TRP, only women are really that greedy and that awful. When men do it, it's because "boys will be boys" and "they have a natural drive". Women do it because they have been "spoiled by society" and are degraded immoral creatures and lying, withholding cunts. You can't get around this, it's mandatory hatespeech in TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 03:35 AM |
| 2 | TRP victim blames men.I think the way TRP rationalizes these things is that the anger and moral blame you mention is just a natural expression of rage in someone new to TRP, who isn't realistic nor in control. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 03:32 AM |
| -2 | Anyone else think TRP/MGTOW is nonsense, but also think TBP/Feminism is equally ridiculous?Yeah, TRP is mainly distinguished by what I call "nightmarism", a common feature of any cult. Their ever-present depiction of dating is like someone removed personalities and only left behind animal mating as the dominant asset involved in dating. It makes people sound insane to not talk about people dating people who they have stuff in common with, and instead basically talk about animals circling each other sniffing each others' butts. And yes, there's the women-centered negativity you hear on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 03:27 AM |
| 2 | Anyone else think TRP/MGTOW is nonsense, but also think TBP/Feminism is equally ridiculous?There are people who pay attention to the news cycle in an attempt to figure out and refine their worldview, but I think those people will quickly find the entire experience to be excruciating and clock out for good. I have never been a "news cycle addict" until this recent feminism vs anti-feminism thing -- it's sort of like a Camille Paglia book come to life -- and it feels like living in a bunker to me. I know I will stop before I consume much more. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 03:18 AM |
| 2 | Anyone else think TRP/MGTOW is nonsense, but also think TBP/Feminism is equally ridiculous?The populations of people in TRP and "hardcore atheism" and SJW are really tiny. You only find significant numbers of them in particular arts communities and politically correct colleges. They get a lot of press these days because the most inept progressive SJWs are highly entertaining and upsetting. They are easy fodder for the news cycle. If you read Salon.com, for example, every single SJW style article they post is an avalanche of hateful comments in response. They don't post those articles … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 03:15 AM |
| 5 | Anyone else think TRP/MGTOW is nonsense, but also think TBP/Feminism is equally ridiculous?Yes, they believe it, and yes they are delusional. They don't look at the simple facts of life, like everyone being forced to endure the American public school system, then get a shit job, then work and work and work just to pay the bills. They look at one aspect of life, which is that women choose who to have sex with, and that you can demand money for having someone's baby, and extrapolate supreme overlord power from it. I mean, there's other shit, like the age-old "women don't play fair in an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 03:11 AM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?At any rate, what I want to understand and don't is how much of engineering is hardcore analytic/creative work, and how much is basically just regurgitating what's already known. The real question people ask about what keeps men and women apart in the workplace generally revolves on occupations which demand that "top 5%" of intelligence. I myself do not have the necessary systems-obsessed thinking to become a "real" computer programmer, nor the hardcore visualization abilities to become an archi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/15 10:42 PM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?I have no clue how to confirm what you're saying. The only things that came up when I looked through "women in engineering Australia" were articles about the typical dearth of female engineers. Here are the things that came up: "Australia has an engineer shortage...in 2008 five times more men completed undergraduate degrees in engineering than women." "According to Engineers Australia, only 9.6% of engineers in this country are women." And the statistics about education seem to be about the same… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/15 10:40 PM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?Only one woman has Asperger's for every six men. Funny how that maps onto the 15% number that seems to roughly halt progress in female employment within these fields. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/15 10:31 PM |
| 1 | RP in wild: AWALT gonna hypergamy. Women of PPD, does cheating get you wet?Can tell this is fake after just a few sentences. You should be much more interested in the autistic style problems with your own neurology which allowed you to think this was real. Maybe take some facial recognition tests or something. It's blatantly fake. You are at risk of being brainwashed on a regular basis if you are this gullible. News cycle addiction will make you paranoid and lost. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 11:57 PM |
| 1 | Q4 Women of PPD: If a man was raped or beaten up, would you feel less secure being protected by him? Would you still respect him the same? Would you ever be attracted to him?I think your question is not productive. People will not be able to answer it honestly, because people don't have enough experience and introspection. If anyone pretends to answer this question, they are lying to themselves, making it up based on ego, and then passing that lie on to you. The reality is that most relationships will change irrevocably when one partner in the relationship experiences a great tragedy. The relationship will be tested, progress or fester, and then continue or end. Gri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 11:53 PM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?I have to be honest and say that I don't think your comment makes any cognitive sense whatsoever. In your story, the one and only time you interacted with a woman collaboratively or seriously in your field was when you invited her to a study group, and she cried. In other words, not only do you have a ridiculous sample size for your opinion (one woman -- really?), but it also makes no logical sense with your statements whatsoever. You declared at the top of your post that you went into STEM not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 11:48 PM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?Sorry but where is "here"? And do you have a link to that statistic by any chance? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 11:44 PM |
| 0 | Red Pill sets young losers up for failureRight but those basically depict women as never-ending shit tests rather than reasonable. I never see any of the opposite dynamic depicted in TRP stuff, e.g. men wanting their egos massaged, which is what tons of women provide in relationships. Instead, if a guy needed comforting it would probably be depicted in TRP as weak. Even though it's a normal functioning part of healthy relationships. Instead I just read these stories about endless female neuroticism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 06:09 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?I also think it's somewhat amazing that people discuss small, isolated, eccentric examples of famous world history as if they necessarily say much about how human beings function. Like, people will talk all kinds of wacky stuff about how interesting and weird Sparta was -- and not only do we not have much more than fragments left, but it was a place with 40,000 people. 40,000 for the love of God! That's so few people. It's so easy to imagine shifting that number of people around using a few powe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 06:02 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Yeah, I mean, whatever. I am not a feminist by today's standards. I am a feminist in the sense that I am pro-choice and believe special considerations should be made to progress women. I think there is an unspoken contradiction within feminism, not outside of it, where basically there are women acting as feminists who believe it's important to work on women's issues in a particular way, accepting that many interactions are gendered, and that women DO face unique challenges because of entrenched … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 05:51 AM |
| 4 | TRP is mostly beta guys who idealize and seek to emulate alpha guys.LOL, it's not a scientific term outside of nature where it's the male who dominates the pack and chooses who to fuck. Where should I look up your definition, Askmen.com? The idea that industrial human society resembles the wild uniformly is silly. In the wild, there's no George Bush who becomes president becomes his father was George Bush Senior. In the wild, there's no Bill Gates who gets mega rich, controls the future of software and donates millions to charity. A lot of the stuff that is iden… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 05:19 AM |
| 14 | Society is Increasingly Hostile to Young MenI don't get why feminism is important to you in the context you describe. There has never been more economic or cultural cache with being a nerd. Dungeons & Dragons is basically a hipster aphrodesiac in a place like New York City. The nerd has an obvious goal: find a girl who likes Buffy The Vampire Slayer and make out with her immediately. Given the rise of technology, how could the weak loser male possibly long for an earlier time in history? Do you really open history books and see other time… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 05:13 AM |
| 7 | The Blue Pill, does this AskWomen Post proves that TRP is right: Women do want Alpha Males?Assuming you live in the U.S., the world you live in is not hostile. It's primarily defined by its loveless, disconnected state. As typical evidence: here we are, interacting while providing each other zero warmth and affection. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 05:06 AM |
| 21 | The Blue Pill, does this AskWomen Post proves that TRP is right: Women do want Alpha Males?I am not an RPer, I am progressive and liberal. The belief that women and men have unconscious beauty standards is antithetical to academic feminism, which I agree with TRP is insane, but outside of that it's an extremely ordinary, widely accepted idea. It just happens to be politically incorrect to say out loud right now. But everyone basically knows men and women have and use various gender signifiers. Height in men is a gender signifier. People are attracted to healthy gender signifiers. Nobo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 05:03 AM |
| 4 | TRP is mostly beta guys who idealize and seek to emulate alpha guys.I don't think he's making anything up. He's looking at what are alpha traits in the wild, which is what alpha really means, and then seeing how they really play out in society. He's correct that a person with ultra high aggression and ultra low empathy is probably in jail, but I think generally that assessment is only accurate when the person is poor and grows up in a terrible environment. The rich aggressive, sociopathic son will probably make a perfectly fine CEO. It's a cliche to use Trump as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 04:56 AM |
| -1 | TRP is mostly beta guys who idealize and seek to emulate alpha guys.because it reads like a kooky cult where people talk in ways that nobody would ever be able to talk out loud in real life without bursting into hysterical laughter. I don't mean that in a snide way. It's genuinely bizarre. I mean, I feel that way about Cosmopolitan magazine, too, but whatever. It's still weird. The way Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones are weird. I do agree with you that most RedPill people I've seen actually kind of hate super alpha dudes. Or perhaps more accurately they talk about C… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 04:49 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Genuinely curious: is there some kind of image in your formulation that men and women were deeply, profoundly, romantically important to each other once upon a time? Do you ever wonder if such a thing didn't really ever exist in medieval/industrial society, this fantasy image of men and women beautifully intertwined by need? And that maybe it was kinda blah back then a lot of the time, too? That people were super cynical then, too? And that so-called love was more of an arranged marriage kinda t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 04:45 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Oh bah, right away I read about Russian history and the example is clearly irrelevant. Homosexuality was legalized in Russia not through anything cultural OR technological but through the 1917 revolution abolishing the old laws entirely, which just so happened to wipe out those anti-gay laws. In other words, there is no way to detect how popular homosexuality or liberal ideas were among the culture at large. It isn't in any provable way, shape or form a liberal advancement toward gay liberation;… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 04:32 AM |
| 0 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?No, they aren't contradictory statements. I really don't understand why people proceed the way you do with the total dearth of evidence. There is nothing to suggest popular homosexuality in any of those societies. There is only some kind of evidence that there was some amount, but we don't know how fringe or rare it was, be that 5%, 1%, .0001%, .0000002% It's called intellectual honesty - I don't know how little there was. However, my implication was that by my observation there was blatantly no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 04:20 AM |
| 1 | Red Pill sets young losers up for failureI really am not being combative or snide here. But the idea that TRP doesn't view women as an out-group is beyond hysterical. You can measure what I call the nightmarism of a group by looking at how they use terms quantitatively. 98% of all examples given of women in TRP will be negative and reductive, only a certain amount of examples about men in TRP will be reductive dismissive or mechanistic, many will be diverse, colorful, celebratory, etc. That's what I mean by in-group/out-group. This is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 03:49 AM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?Well, I had a hard time finding a lot of stuff. Are you in Canada and it's got a lot more civil engineers, or what? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 03:45 AM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?btw, I ask you this as a progressive whose sister is a brilliant doctor with super high IQ and whose best friend is a trans computer programmer. I love my gender transgressive friends, but I don't see any evidence that such populations exist uniformly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 03:35 AM |
| 2 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?Are you talking about academic enrollment and not actual careers? Why? That's almost like lying, it's so deliberately misleading. I Google these subjects and find data like "women only number 22 per cent of registered architects in the UK". After WW2 only 7 percent of architects were women, and it took 70 years for that number to move to 15%. Meanwhile doctors and lawyers became 50%. Do you really think doctors and lawyers were anti-sexist and ushered in gender parity due to their vast cultural … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 03:34 AM |
| 0 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?I don't think people know how much homosexuality there was in Rome, Greece, Japan or China. It's just an excuse for people to basically invent how much certitude there is about whatever point of view they want to argue. People use it to argue all sorts of things without any solid documentation for how homosexuality was actually positioned or practiced. I dislike it in general and prefer to look at the long haul of those cultures, and when you look at them overall they are super homophobic with b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 03:04 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Effortlessly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 02:53 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Haha, oh please. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 02:52 AM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?Look, let's just reverse engineer this construct. Are there ANY highly technical fields, like classical music or architecture, which demonstrate anything approaching either a) gender parity or b) constantly increasing gender parity? My guess is that the persistence of a "female Asperger's" population has basically topped out around 15-20% in all highly technical fields across the board. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 02:37 AM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?Do you really believe that watching Civil Engineering inch from, like, 10% women to 12% women is proof that it is "slowly but surely becoming a co-ed workplace"? Or do you have some statistics that nobody has seen, hidden up your sleeve? Because I Googled civil engineering and all I found were shitty stats about low female presence even in the education portion, not even yet to the actual career. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 02:32 AM |
| 2 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?The conversation is ridiculous without a definition of what it means to be a coder. You are absolutely correct that "real" coding is akin to being a composer. Sure, average school children can learn HTML, that's like learning plumbing basics from youtube videos. It's not what people really mean they say you're a computer programmer. Just like playing cover songs with basic chords doesn't make you a real musician. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 02:22 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Some acceptance and visibility of homosexuality existed in Rome, but these were the opposite of backward, barbaric cultures; Rome represents a massive refinement of technology and political identity. Rome proves my point, not disproves it. And even still, cultures like Rome and Plato's Athens did not achieve liberated, free homosexuality with a healthy identity like they do today, where homosexuality is completely ordinary and doesn't involve, like, fucking 12 year olds when you're 25. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 02:19 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?By the way, I am not equating masculinity with homophobia. I'm equating a fear of death of the tribe with homophobia, but saying that masculinity seizes institutional power violently during periods of extreme societal degradation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 02:09 AM |
| 2 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?I find your line of thinking to be enormously popular and very bizarre. It strikes me as a form of wishful thinking. The page you point to states that homosexuality was found to be "absent or rare" in 41 out of 70 communities. I think it helps to be gay when you are thinking deductively about these phenomena. LGBT populations are enormous - they are something like 5-10% of the population. It's not interesting that there have been cultures of some homosexual acceptance scattered here and there th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 02:07 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Oh I see what you're asking. It's actually hard to answer that question because art became a lot more psychologically particular in only the last 50 years. But it seems obvious to me that there is a civil rights impact from visibility of neurology which will someday have a cumulative impact on mental health having less stigmatization. For example, villainy in stories of old is very simplistic compared to the depiction in the movie Nightcrawler which absolutely feeds off an understanding of the s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 01:55 AM |
| 2 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?If you heard me say wake up in person, it would sound lively and contentious, not patronizing. You're going to be reckoned with as a conservative any time you place a vague, religious-sounding concept like family values above the technical circumstances of how people live. A progressive is much more likely to see overworking and increasing wealth inequality as a source of U.S. unhappiness, rather than a niche concept like feminism. But that's the nature of conservatism, to see liberal culture as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 01:46 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?I'm not 100% sure what you're asking. Are you stating that Hollywood depicts liberal ideas of society rather than conservative ones? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 01:36 AM |
| 1 | Why TRP neophytes proselytise so much even after being continuously shot down, why teenage feminists continue to loudly support easy to debunk views: Humans like to bite off more than they can chew.The activism and literature of these movements is actually driven by a very, very small number of people. For most of the people paying attention, they may pay lip service to it, but the end result is mostly recreation and entertainment. The stuff Glenn Beck or Alex Jones feeds their audience gives them, as you mention, a sense of self-worth, a feeling of progressive warfare achieving something delightful someday. It's like fantasizing about retirement, with a side of giddy violence. People call… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 01:14 AM |
| 10 | Red Pill sets young losers up for failureI think if people want self-improvement advice, they will go find it. People who read RedPill want some nightmarism, paranoia, in-group/out-group hatemongering, etc. You can already find tons and tons of "men are from mars, women are from venus" type stuff without the knee-deep-in-sexual-warfare vibe you get with RedPill. To me, it's a group defined by their nightmarism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 01:08 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Nope. Industrialization drives itself. Culture is a painted fingernail on the finger of being human, and survival tells the hand what to pick up and spend its time playing with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 01:03 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Oh please. Nobody talked about gay people in like, the 1970s. You can't even find gay people in books or cinema in more than like a .000001% quantity. Now they are ho-hum normal to an enormous chunk of humanity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 12:59 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?It sounds like you're just kind of making stuff up as you go along, no offence. Like what possible hardcore evidence could you have that pedophiles have less acceptance today than they used to? Just the other day I heard a radio show on a guy whose brain surgery made him a pedophile, and read an article on Salon by a guy trying to live openly as a pedophile (who doesn't commit the act) so that people can understand it's an incontrovertible brain condition. I'm not arguing anything in particular … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 12:53 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?I dunno if our culture is really in a state of decline so much as it's just completely disconnected and loveless. I think the simplest answer is the best answer. Most human beings have happy memories not just of childhood but also their college years. It's a common cliche. Why? Because those years are the only ones you have where you are working cooperatively with peers to achieve a non-competitive goal of simply living and growing together -- rather than separating from everyone with the goal o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 12:44 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?I have a different impression of school shootings. I agree that they are autistic and going nuts, but the single mother explanation is cheesy. There are way more autistic and mentally ill people than there used to be. There are two reasons. One is assortative mating. Once upon a time you fucked and married someone in your village. This ensured a certain amount of genetic diversity just automatically because the person you married was kinda arbitrary. Now, you fly out to college and you're an eng… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 12:41 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Huh? I'm sure I won't like the answer, but I don't think so. Industrial capitalism is about manufacturing choices and lifestyles and individuality, then marketing to them. The reason you can have the modern proliferation of identities is due to the freedom people have to abandon their family and community while still being well taken care of. Thus your identity can break from the mob and become publicly "eccentric", e.g. insane academic feminists and gay people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 12:36 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?None of what I said attributes malevolence to any of it. What I'm saying is that gay porn generally reflects the depictions of both a "target" gay person who is ideal and a typical gay person who is the viewer: there is no dominated "other" in gay porn. In straight porn the dominated other is women. No I don't think it's malevolent that romance novels and pornography are fantasies which essentially yoke gender to an idealized form. It's perfectly ordinary. Feminist analysis of escapist art is in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/15 12:29 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?You shouldn't construct theories like this. You should look for the "without X, Ycouldnt possibly happen". What really happened that radically changed absolutely everything is that gay people self-identified and became visible and culturally implacable. Before gay people became visible, ALL people, even gay people themselves, acted as if gay people didn't exist. I know, I was there when visibility happened. Before visibility, gay people were a fringe rumor, a tiny artifact that only beatniks in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 07:00 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Yes. Thank you. I can retire. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 06:19 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?You may notice that "a decent bourgeois place with really frightening old laws and power structures and governments that haven't been abolished" is a generally accurate description of America if you believe that the government's level of corruption and relationship with its military is disgusting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 06:11 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Obviously, I am not a historical expert on the UAE. I sort of avoid that responsibility by guessing that you have a short list of possible examples of this kind of culture, so I don't care that much that there are, like, one or two examples of rich, backward countries. However, the reason I don't care is not because I avoid contradictions to my theory. The reason is that I do believe a country with a healthy middle class will innovate culturally and I do not know how MUCH cultural innovation UAE… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 06:10 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Agree that it is a religion of the abject. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?I completely agree. The human animal is addictive and self-centered, so industrial capitalism gives humans endless addictions and satisfactions, and forces them to chase money/career which causes them to leave their origin family, highschool family, and college family behind to become an "adult", which is intended to work, sleep, eat, and watch Youtube. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 06:04 PM |
| 2 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?I'd like to add that your example about the origins of homosexuality is something you should abandon. It is anti-intellectual, niche and obscure. There is endless, endless evidence that homophobia develops organically in all cultures, not because it is right or useful or good but because men and women in backward societies fear death and fear The Other and attack it. As a parallel example, completely unrelated cultures developed similar anti-left-handed-people theories. Why? What is the point? W… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 06:02 PM |
| 2 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Re: top/bottom dynamics in the gay scene. I think it's important to distinguish between big problems and little problems. What you're talking about is actual, authentic gender performance: gay people have, authentically, too many subs in their population compared to their desire for doms. I don't consider it a big deal or source of "oppression", it's just one of those facts of life. I don't care. It's just the genetic result of a population that exists by "accident", gay people were obviously no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 05:46 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?You don't understand my theory. Those countries are nouveau-riche monarchies. They aren't countries where the actual democratic people of the countries have prospered for generations. I'm talking in my explanation about the cultural impact of a generalized prosperity created by technology, e.g. groups of people who achieve stability first through agriculture and then through further technology, and there exists some amount of REASONABLY well-treated working class and middle class. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 05:38 PM |
| 4 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?I'm just saying I feel like there is a "ditzy woman" stereotype that MRA people deduce from this theory, and I don't like it. By my estimation, women usually employ a social strategy of appearing dumber and supportive when around men, as a form of unconscious seduction. I think women are generally about as smart as men, they just pretend they're not to be polite. IQ tests generally bear this out. Anyway, my point being that people shouldn't be so smug about "men vs. women" -- really only a speci… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 08:56 AM |
| 0 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?Would you agree that if ALL (or almost all) the fields which saw a rise in female participation from the 1950s to the 1980s simultaneously flatlined and became static, never increasing, that it would basically prove my theory by deductive reasoning? These kinds of deductive reasoning are pretty much the only kinds of large-scale proofs you can have of arguing your worldview. I think it would prove that the individual cultures of these fields are not unique, and the increase in female participati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 08:53 AM |
| 7 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?Surveying in 1999 had only 9% women, is a stat I just found. If all your examples are fields where the percentage of women has risen since the 1950s to 15% from 5%, that COULD only indicate that back when sexism was a real and literal oppression (women had a college curfew and were genuinely restricted in educational options), there was an impact, but now that impact has been removed - so those increases have flattened. I don't believe you genuinely know that any of those fields have uniformly r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 08:49 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Also, I would really like to know what you meant by your "gender theory". It sounds like a unified field theory. Do tell! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 08:42 AM |
| 5 | Why do feminists and RedPill types believe so much in "cultural decline" and "cultural progress"?Great response. So, my favorite way to look at a lot of this stuff is to reason backward from an impossibility, deductively. For example, I think the best argument against the idea that pornography (and pornographic "culture") have an effect on human beings is to look at how sex crimes changed since the birth of the Internet. If human beings could ever, ever conceivably consume enough of a certain type of art in order to degrade them profoundly, they would have done it when pornography became fr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 08:33 AM |
| 7 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?It's ridiculous how feminists sell this anecdotal garbage about men being hyper masculine misogynist scum in computer science. All the jobs that are hyper cerebral have a dearth of women -- are you willing to uniformly trot out the same complete trash and state that all the jobs without women (there are ZERO highly technical fields with gender parity) are hyper-masculine hells? Like, even frickin' architecture, even network systems and data analysts? Chemical engineering? All these hyper nerd fi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 08:10 AM |
| 3 | What's your opinion on the gender gap in the tech industry?Men, generally speaking, actually can't code. They can't do architecture, they can't learn hardcore classical music, and they can't do advanced math. Only certain men and certain women can, and they are a biological minority, but genetically there are less women in that minority. MRA types tend to express this trend as "men produce more of the complete idiots and technical geniuses, while women crowd around the middle averages". I think this is misleading because it makes the average male sound … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/15 06:33 AM |
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