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I think transgender militancy (proscribing acceptable speech and banning dissent) has already hit its peak and starting to collapse. Several signs of this out in the real world beyond social media. For example, medical associations are increasingly coming out against recommending gender reassignment surgeries and HRT for minors, or recognizing it as experimental rather than best practice. Another example is trans women in women’s sports. Backlash is growing. I think language policing around the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:57 AM
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If you’re talking about the maladaptions of a specific generation, you should say so rather than make sweeping generalizations about human relations or human nature that are false. The tinder age is interesting for sure, and I’m sorry you’re struggling like this, but do not overgeneralize.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:46 AM
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People want their romantic partner to be above a certain physical attractiveness threshold. That threshold varies by how superficial/status conscious they are, and (more importantly) by how attractive they themselves are. People tend to get with other people of about the same attractiveness (as measured by third parties). That said, once the threshold is reached (which can be quite low), personality is overwhelmingly more important. I really mean behavior in general here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:42 AM
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You must be young. In the old days (thousands of years of human history up to the end of the 20th century), most people met through friends, colleagues or family. They got to know each other first. They weren’t obsessively swiping right on apps. Red pill is big now because in the tinder age it is getting more plausible, even though it isn’t actually true. Also, I edited my earlier comment to provide a link that provides more perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:31 AM
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That is ridiculous. Sorry. What you say is true for hookups. It is not true for LTRs. For example. I’d say that’s pretty good evidence that the conventional view is personality matters more for relationships. You picked quite a hill to die on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:14 AM
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I agree there isn’t a unified philosophy behind blue pill, but it is by definition the conventional way of seeing things. Do you disagree that the most conventional view is that personality matters more than looks (as vague as that is)? In the end I don’t care either way on it, since my point was to counter the idea OP had that if you weren’t red pilled or black pilled you believed looks didn’t matter at all. Which you and I agree is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:09 AM
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I think we all can access common sense on this if we put away the pills. - Looks matter (but not everyone is looking for the same thing, and conventional beauty matters more to some than others). - personality matters (but not everyone is looking for the same personality) - money matters (for women choosing men, but not all women care the same amount. I dated a lot of women as a broke university student) - intelligence matters (more for women than men, but people tend to prefer those of roughly …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:46 AM
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Bluepill says looks matter less than personality, especially for love and LTR. But bluepill would not say they don’t matter at all. That’s not a serious position. As serious positions, redpill and bluepill differ by the degree to which looks matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:27 AM
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You think people shouldn’t trust their gut?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:00 AM
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Your first paragraph is spot on, based on my experience. I don’t know what it means to land the hottest girl in the most “efficient manner.” For extremely attractive women by conventional standards, I think it really depends mostly on circumstance (you met at the party of her best friend and clicked, etc.) and random factors (do you have the specific type of forearm she likes, or engage in a line of work she particularly is impressed by). Those women decide they want you or they don’t, there isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:48 AM
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She did ask, and I didn’t. Surgery always carries a risk of complications, and I didn’t want to block off the possibility of kids again if we divorced. We did divorce, and I’m doubly glad I didn’t get a vasectomy now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:33 AM
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Have a feeling you’re going to wait a long time, or else OP is going to pull some stats from a conservative religious community that puts huge pressure on couples to marry young and stay married.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:44 AM
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Aspects of personality are close to impossible for people to change, but not everything is impossible to change. I had an extremely difficult adolescence (down to one friend at one point, never even came close to dating in high school, tried to be invisible). But over time I stepped out of my shell. Joined a band in college, got an advanced degree, learned how to be seductive, made a lot of money (in that order). Had to fight my learned fears and withdrawn personality. I am now at the point wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:33 AM
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I liked your other responses in this thread and think you basically have the right no b.s. attitude, but this response misses what the other person was getting at. That person was basically unhappy about women who mislead men, giving the impression they could love/desire them when they have no intention to, but like the attention and free dinners, etc. The equivalent might be men who pretend to love women and mislead them into thinking they could have a monogamous LTR when they really just want …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 02:12 AM
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Agree with the first sentence, but the second sentence ignores the fact that a lot of people get under the influence precisely in order to feel more free to engage in wanton activities. In other words, a non-accidental lapse of judgment
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 01:55 AM
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Agree. Some alarmingly high IQ people can be susceptible to magical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:13 PM
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I don’t know exactly what you’re doing, but unless you are truly hard to look at you are doing it wrong. Don’t go straight up to a woman in the group you’re attracted to and talk her up. Interact with other people and show that you’re funny, charming, intelligent, etc. Women in the group will see it over time and be more open to talking with you. If you aren’t funny, smart, etc., well, then you’ve got a bigger challenge than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:28 AM
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You’re mostly right, but ignoring that people have cheated on each other over the centuries too. Especially in dead bedroom situations. I think the French get this one right. An affair is not the worst thing in the world, and doesn’t need to end a relationship that is otherwise good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:17 AM
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It was not an assumption, but a conclusion based on your own leap into assuming the discussion was about one narrow type of scenario, ignoring adjacent scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 07:06 AM
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You may be right on the second part.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:42 PM
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Alrighty. Pulled the “virgin” thing out of thin air, though. Women don’t have to pretend that to want to try a different approach. Is it fair to say you don’t see much value to women outside the sex? For a woman who isn’t going to add value to my life aside from basic companionship and sex, your attitude makes sense to me. For a woman who has real potential to be an intellectual stimulant, career supporter/motivator, and/or great mother to our future children, I don’t understand your attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:35 PM
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I was almost with you until the misandry. You have completely misread me if that’s what you get out of it. Nothing I said implies it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:28 PM
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If she has been burned by fast sex in the past, I really don’t see the issue with her wanting to do something different. I don’t have a lot of patience either. I’ve only once gone on more than 2 true dates before having sex or calling it off. Ironically, it was the person I’ve been with the last 6 years (waited I think 7 dates, but she told me later that by the fourth she was wondering what was taking me so long…so it was partly me slowing down in middle age).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:24 PM
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Yes, of course! Why do you think I would disagree with that? I would never put up with 15 dates before a kiss. I should be more clear: I’m just saying that adopting some rule about waiting some amount of time/dates before sex doesn’t have to come from a shitty manipulative place for a woman. It can come from fear of fucking fast and getting emotionally involved, while he sees you as a whore and not relationship material.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:03 PM
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This is such garbage dump sexism. I am also unapologetically sexist, but I subbed to this place expecting enlightened sexism. Women can go through fuck-around phases and then stop, and they aren’t any more tainted than the men who do the same. Resentment permeates your view and you don’t see it. I had slept with only 2 women at the age of 26, then realized I made big mistakes in my choices and played the field to experience as many different types of women as I could. By age 34 I had slept with …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:54 PM
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If she’s sleeping around concurrently with other men, it could be what you say. But don’t tell me then you don’t resent it. The guy above said no one resents it, but your example makes it clear that you do. And in the scenario you suggest, sure, who wouldn’t? The bigger problem I have with both of your comments is how narrow the world is for you. For example, another scenario is that she did it in the past and stopped because she fell for guys after sleeping with them, but they just saw it as se…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:37 PM
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Fall for it? Why assume it isn’t real, or that people don’t change? What a benighted worldview. You have to take each case as it comes. Sometimes it’s a line and she’s just not that into you, and sometimes it’s real and she’s afraid of losing you if she puts out too soon, and sometimes she’s playing a game and using/testing you. All three scenarios happen, but you think it’s always the last one. I have found that it is impossible in a forum like this for men with extensive real-world experience …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:21 PM
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People can change. A woman could have gone through a fuck around phase and decided it didn’t work for her, then switched to a no-sex until 10 date rule, or 90 day rule, or whatever. Don’t get mad at people trying different approaches just because you missed out on a phase you like. But I think all such rules can and should be treated as guidelines and not rigidly. That is, if you have reasonable judgment. I have multiple times slept with women on the first night we met, and gone on to LTRs. I ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:31 AM
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Do you want to be a serious thinker? Then don’t write like this. Over half of Americans contract an STD in their lifetime. Let’s say it is exactly half of women. By your logic, since 1/3 of women with an STD get PID, and PID “causes infertility” then something like 1/6 of women get infertility from an STD. Which is wildly wrong. You mislead by not indicating that only some STDs are causally connected to PID (like gonorrhea and syphilis). You mislead by not indicating that STD treatment in time g…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 10:44 PM
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You are one person. You probably had decent charisma but didn’t live up to your potential in appearance. It all matters to some degree. About two billion average-looking men are married or in long term relationships with women right now. But if you have a self-defeating toxic personality on top of average looks, you are toast. If all you want to do is fuck around with women, then looks matter more.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:30 PM
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Agree that sex for women is more mental than it is for men, but disagree this means looks maxxing (hate that term) is what 95% of men need to work on most. Behavior is what men most need to work on: confidence, charm, humor, insightfulness…the components of charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 07:07 AM
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Think about what you wrote for a second and how little sense it makes. Where are men most divergent from women in a masculine way (that’s easily visible)? Upper body strength, particularly shoulders, arms and forearms. Men diverge from women more in arm strength than they do in leg strength. Broad shoulders and strong arms signify masculinity to women no less than boobs signify femininity to men. To mix the old and new, strong arms are good for throwing spears, protecting the family, lifting hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:36 PM
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No, you’re still a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 03:40 AM
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To a troll? Right.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 04:44 AM
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The blind man in the kingdom of the one-eyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:19 PM
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Waste your life as you wish
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:18 PM
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And yet here you are, reading things on Reddit and giving people answers. What in the fuck are you doing? Just trolling all the time…or perhaps taking some things you read on Reddit seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:55 AM
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Until and unless they are wildly successful in a career. Abnormally successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 12:27 PM
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You have to take into consideration that most of the people in this sub are under the age of 30. Since men tend to prefer the look of women a few years younger than they are, you are not going to get good, representative answers out of men in this sub. I say this as a guy in my 50s who definitely did not find women in their 30s as attractive as women in their early 20s when I was in my 20s. But today? Of course a 30 year old woman can be as attractive as a 20 year old! If I’m going to be engaged…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:02 AM
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I take it we are arguing about what the law should be, not necessarily what it is. Child support should be quite different from alimony. In this day and age, if there are no children to support, and the man did not encourage/demand the wife to not work, then alimony should not exist. Child support is a different matter, and needs to always be accounted for in the divorce (not necessarily as a monthly payment if they agree to split child expenses 50/50).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:00 AM
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Wait, is everyone here just accepting the premise that men primarily value women’s appearance? In a relationship? I don’t get it. It makes sense to say that men care much more about the availability of sex than women do early on, but am I really an outlier in basically having a good-enough cutoff for appearance? Once a woman passes my good-enough threshold (which is not that high), what I care about is whether (a) she’s in love/lust with me, and (b) she’s a good conversationalist who won’t bore/…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 01:47 AM
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Yep. I didn’t always agree but thought he was saying things that needed to be said. Now, he’s just an angry wreck lashing out at people a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:10 AM
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Peterson had a drug addiction and mental breakdown a couple years ago and hasn’t been the same since. It’s painful to listen to him now. Cringe only begins to describe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:22 AM
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You’re a smooth operator. I’m just wondering why OP didn’t ask how so much polygamy went under the radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:46 AM
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Legitimately surprised that you see women as the category most talked about for college admission and job inequality. This is true only for a small number of male dominated fields. Overall, the concern these days is much more with racial inequality in hiring/admitting. But I agree that given women are in general better educated than men, for the remaining gender equity concern to be on getting more women into the very few remaining male dominated fields rather than improving male admission to fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 02:05 PM
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Yes gay people exist, but they are less than 5% of the population and the difference in partner counts is not high enough to explain that 2 person average difference. On the topic of averages, You may be thinking of the median rather than the mean. What you say is right about the median, wrong about the mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:56 PM
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Yes, the 15+ category is where you get the biggest reported discrepancy ratio and where most likely there is lying or sampling error. The discrepancy happens too reliably across different surveys for me to believe it is sampling error. But, I think it is mostly women lying rather than men. This is based on three things: Personal experience. I was a late bloomer but went through a phase in my late 20s and slept with a lot of women (from 2 partners at age 26 to 30 partners by age 30). It was in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:42 PM
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Right, too used to disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:54 AM
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I agree. Did you mean to respond to another poster?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:52 AM
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The comparison on education is not with having access to some education, but with getting into a competitive college. Inevitably there is a zero sum element to that. Same thing for jobs. I meant getting a good job that pays well. I’m talking about the kind of thing that people think affirmative action applies to. Affirmative action isn’t for getting jobs at McDonalds or getting into the community college. It is for getting employed at good union jobs, or working at Google, or getting into an Ivy…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:49 AM
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Average reported body count. The average male reported body count is 2-3 people higher. Somebody is lying, statistically-speaking, or both are a little. But regardless of whether it is 5 or 7, I agree with you that a lot of red-pillers have lost sight of reality on most women’s actual sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:32 AM
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That isn’t the question, though. The question is how much sex, and with how many different partners, is the average woman having. There is a lot of data on this. Women on average report fewer sex partners and less sex per week than men. Partly this is under-reporting by women and/or over-reporting by men (especially on the number of partners). Partly this is that women, left to their own devices, have sex less than men. Gay male couples have the most sex. Lesbian couples have the least sex. Hete…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:27 AM
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I’m confused, are you saying dating is fundamentally different or that it is comparable to social issues like employment or school admissions? There are winners and losers in all these, inevitably, and in all cases the successful relationship requires effort. There isn’t a one size fits all model in applying for jobs or getting promoted any more than there is one for wooing a spouse. Part of me wants to agree with you that we shouldn’t shame the failures/losers. I guess I do agree that “shame” i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:19 AM
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Hang on, dating (and mating) are not fundamentally different than all other social issues. You picked food, which is not zero sum. However, status in general is a social issue that is more comparable, and it gets treated very differently when it doesn’t concern male issues with dating. Take admissions to college, or hiring at jobs, or just basic respect and social status. All of these are commonly treated as social problems and those on the short end of the stick are seen as victims of circumsta…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:33 AM
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You guys are unwittingly (or wittingly?) reinforcing the point of this tweet, though: https://twitter.com/fentasyl/status/1675371215572049921?s=61&t=vu8-cHYlVWNfqpUlhR06FA
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:22 AM
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Please take into account that most of the men responding here are under 30. They don’t know what they’ll be attracted to when they’re 50, and they conflate their attraction to women under 25 now when they are around that same age, with attraction to women under 25 in a few decades. Most men are with women 1-4 years younger than them, because that is where compatibility is highest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 03:54 AM
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This is based on pure looks without having to talk to the woman, though. As soon as a mature man starts talking to a 19 year old, her attractiveness plummets. That’s why men tend to stick with women who are close to them in age (around 2 years younger) even in their 40s and beyond.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 03:48 AM
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Wow. That was quite the primer. I had avoided all those other subs because the men in them seemed to be either sociopaths or driven by resentment (Nietzsche’s ‘ressentiment’), but from what I had gleaned from references elsewhere, this all makes a load of sense linking the threads together.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 02:57 AM
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What is fascinating to me is how hard it is for most people to accept that both parties share responsibility in these situations. But in the end, we only really have control over ourselves, and so that is where the primary focus on improvement in understanding and acceptance need to lie. There is certainly a place for also laying blame on others, but if one doesn’t get one’s house in order first the jagged finger of blame is going to aim badly at others.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 02:45 AM
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This is a good question, u/novel-tip-7570, which I used to wrestle with in my teens and 20s. Here is the conclusion I came to: 1. Sexual submissiveness is separable from relationship submissiveness. Some CEO’s are dominant socially but highly submissive in bed. That may be obvious to you, but it isn’t to everyone. If this appears as an issue for you, it might be because you are sexually submissive and think it means you “really” are also socially submissive but don’t want to be, or that your par…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:58 AM
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There is truth to this, but we can also be aware of our bias and take steps to mitigate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:24 AM
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There is a strong correlation between your BMI and your partner’s. What would be interesting to learn is how much correlation there is between weight and being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:23 AM
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There is a more charitable interpretation of her response: she is corpulent like Lizzo, and is looking for a man who wants a corpulent woman, so she’s going to see if it’s an actual opening.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:15 AM
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Depends on how annoying the behavior is and how early it comes out. If the woman can’t help showing it on a first or second date, she could be an incel. Yes, technically she could go to a bar and find a man with beer goggles and beer earplugs to have sex with, but as others pointed out these women want a romantic relationship with sex, not just random encounters. So, incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:04 AM
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