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By your definition of rape, few 18+ year old men outside of prison have been raped.
/r/MensRights13/11/12 03:19 AM
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If she consents to sex and then withdraws consent in the middle of the act without informing her partner, she cannot later claim it was rape because she withdrawn consent solely in her mind. Why do you keep parroting that? It's not even relevant here. It's not rape if there is no intent. Simply not true. "I didn't know" doesn't hold up in court. That's an excuse that exists only in your narrow MR talking points. Most acquaintance rape is of the "I didn't know" variety, evidenced by study after s…
/r/MensRights13/11/12 02:16 AM
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Date rape is persisting with sexual contact and sexual progression after the other party has made it clear they do not want to have sexual contact through any range of means, whether it's freezing up, shaking their head, squirming, crying, saying no/stop. Just like "real rape." This definition of course includes all of the other types of coercion including the influence of drugs where one party cannot coherently consent. But you only believe in "real rape", don't you? The boogeymen in the alleyw…
/r/MensRights12/11/12 06:00 PM
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Sorry, but people aren't mind readers. I'd hazard a guess that the majority of "date rape" that occurs if the "guy" actually doesn't know, is situations that I described, where it's not actually rape. i.e. You don't believe date rape exists and you believe that it's OK to override resistance if it's not violent or physical. How many women have you raped, I wonder?
/r/MensRights12/11/12 02:33 PM
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What is a rape when committed in negligence?
/r/MensRights12/11/12 05:04 AM
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You reiterated the idea that I directly addressed: the belief that a rapist should have a say in whether or not they raped someone. I did not misinterpret or misread you. You believe that all rapists know when they rape, and it's simply false. The vast majority of rapes occur because of a lack of understanding of consent and a lack of recognition for people's right to their bodies. I don't think you're familiar with the psychology of rapists at all if you really believe that most rapists know th…
/r/MensRights12/11/12 04:48 AM
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I murdered someone but didn't feel guilty about it or see it as wrong. I guess I'm not guilty? After all, the nature of my actions are determined by my awareness of them, not by how they affect people in reality.
/r/MensRights12/11/12 03:42 AM
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So .. In cases where serial rapists who think that victims, at some point during the assault, come to enjoy and consent to the rape since they stop fighting - you don't deem that rape? What about when a boyfriend forces himself on his girlfriend, against her repeated no's? He thinks it's OK and consensual because they're dating and she doesn't struggle. That's not rape? What about when a guy touches a girl's body on their date, against her repeated no's? He thinks it's OK and consensual because …
/r/MensRights12/11/12 03:26 AM
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You sound like you need to be educated about what rape is and when it occurs. Date rape is extremely common and surveys have revealed that the perpetrators are rarely aware they committed it.
/r/MensRights11/11/12 11:03 PM
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9/11 first responders?
/r/MensRights08/11/12 11:51 PM
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I'm a scientist and engineer That enough is clear. Only an "engineer" could make the mistake of thinking that newspapers are an accurate measure of the number of rapes occurring in a region. Look at a very large city's newspaper and examine the nature of the rapes they report in the papers. Hint: they won't be the same kind of rapes that are occurring on college campuses, but they'll certainly be the kind that meet your preconceived expectations of what rape looks like. Do you genuinely believe …
/r/MensRights26/10/12 02:35 PM
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tell us what steps in my analysis you have an issue with. Newspaper headline frequencies are not rape statistics. They're a measure of media interest in rape. I have no objection to any specific "step" you took in jumping off a logical cliff, I have an objection to your warped view of what constitutes evidence. What field are you in, exactly?
/r/MensRights01/10/12 12:47 PM
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Conflating a qualitative, quicky media analysis (I use that word loosely) with anonymous surveying. Misleading when feminists do it, investigative science when men do it.
/r/MensRights01/10/12 12:53 AM
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witnesses saw her willingly go home with him, she invited him to her home, ect. You're literally engaging in rape myths and rape culture beliefs as you argue against the existence of rape culture. Both of the "exculpatory evidences" you just named there are 100% classic victim-blaming rape myths that imply letting a man into one's home is equivalent to night-long consent. How does that level of hypocrisy and backwardness even feel? This post is so telling about your mindset it is simply chilling…
/r/MensRights29/08/12 04:54 AM
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No it's not. This is only one example. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/11/30/1101577491896.html Evidence of having multiple partners at once is also used against women in courts, still. To deny that victim blaming in many forms still exists during rape trials is preposterous.
/r/MensRights29/08/12 04:42 AM
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Condoms are freely distributed in any place that women can get contraception.
/r/MensRights27/08/12 04:19 AM
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Don't act like the streets are crawling with rapists just waiting to pull you into a dark alley. You clearly aren't a woman and haven't talked to any women about the issue.
/r/MensRights23/08/12 12:18 AM
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If I walk down a gang-ridden territory at 2 am with a rolex and a $500 suit on and end up getting mugged... the first thing people are going to say is that it was irresponsible of me to have been doing this in the first place Would you also advise young teens and working adults not to walk around at 10-6am in their own neighborhood if it were in a crime-ridden area? What would you advise them to do? The reason why your counter-analogy is perceived as ignorant and misleading is because it draws e…
/r/MensRights21/08/12 10:33 PM
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As far as rape being cyclical... I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I believe that's straightforward: rapists are predisposed to rape, and they will do it whenever they feel they have an opportunity. I think most of the misconceptions you hold about rape come from this false belief. This belief is flat out false and is actually a rape myth. Firstly, rape is common and is committed by socially "normal" people as a result of not understanding what consent is. This is what feminists mean wh…
/r/MensRights08/08/12 06:07 AM
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An unfounded accusation with no evidence should not be enough to put a person on a pedophile list. Absolutely. But surely you must see that all brothers of all pedophiles have had the same sworn beliefs as you do about the innocence of their sibling. What makes a criminal successful is their ability to commit crimes unnoticed. I notice that family members are incredibly quick to dismiss accusations against their own before giving the accusers' story a single second's chance, which is in line wit…
/r/MensRights16/07/12 10:35 PM
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What makes you certain that it was a false accusation? I know my brother didn't touch her kids, because we avoided being away from each other and even being in the room with these children. This is far from substantial. Predators always find ways to reach children.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 07:53 PM
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Something tells me you are only focusing on the punch, which is not the reality of things. Just because she is a women, does not make her immune to receiving what is owed in some cases. Karma is a bitch. Advocating domestic abuse? Have an upvote!
/r/MensRights16/07/12 05:17 AM
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I pinned her against the wall and tried really, really hard not to pound her head into a bloody pulp. Perhaps not physical abuse, per se, but abusive nonetheless.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 12:00 AM
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I'll tell you something for free; if I ever see that lawyer, I'm going to finish on him what I started on her - between that motherfucker and my bitch of an ex wife, they ruined me. Are you implying you hit your wife? OP was physically abusive.
/r/MensRights15/07/12 11:50 PM
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Your exclusionary attitude towards non-heterosexual men isn't an argument, so there isn't much to discuss. They have a word for this: homophobia, and it's a big part of the mens rights movement that needs to be tackled. You should start tackling it by learning more about it.
/r/MensRights15/07/12 02:25 PM
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He's referring to how men feel pressured into 'repressing' feminine aspects of their natural selves so that they are not perceived as emasculated. Being manly means never being feminine - or can a manly man sometimes be feminine? I don't think those that subscribe to the "manly" mindset would agree with that. And he's referring to the fact that feminine aspects of a male are considered indicators of homosexuality (e.g. homophobia) and not considered what they are: aspects of a complex and multi-…
/r/MensRights14/07/12 11:09 PM
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Are gay male rights not also male rights? Or does Mens Rights exclude homosexuality? Not sure what's unclear to you here. This man was targeted for being from the male gender. It's an anti- male hate crime.
/r/MensRights14/07/12 10:10 PM
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Which words did I misrepresent? Did you mean this: I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME Or this? In the most severe and emphatic terms possible the answer is NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED. They are freaking begging for it. Damn near demanding it. I think I misrepresented MensRights when I said that Paul Elam isn't being held accountable for those words, because he really shouldn't. They're the words of the MensRights community on reddit, clearly, if no one else here finds any pr…
/r/MensRights14/07/12 02:57 PM
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So what do you propose? That women should stop dating, stop drinking, or stop having one-night stands, or some combination of the aforementioned? Should women alert their friends before going home with a strange man? What precautions do you think are appropriate to best mitigate the risk of being raped?
/r/MensRights13/07/12 04:49 PM
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a forseeable outcome. Rape is a foreseeable outcome when interacting with a male at night while under the influence of alcohol?
/r/MensRights13/07/12 02:29 PM
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How does what you just wrote apply to this Paul Elam quote, which refers to the way certain rape victims "walk through life"? I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME Do you agree that this careless, irresponsible attitude accurately reflects certain women who have been raped? Keep in mind that this is the scenario we're discussing: In that light, I have ideas about women who spend evenings in bars hustling men for drinks, playing on their sexual desires so they can get shit faced on the b…
/r/MensRights13/07/12 04:13 AM
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They are both victims in all ways but could have still taken steps to reduce their risk of victimisation. They were begging to be victimized?
/r/MensRights13/07/12 03:52 AM
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So you're excusing his language rather than expressing disgust? In other words: you're agreeing with him that some women are "begging to be raped." This is why MRM is accused of misogyny.
/r/MensRights13/07/12 03:04 AM
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http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/challenging-the-etiology-of-rape/
/r/MensRights13/07/12 02:15 AM
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There are persons within the mens rights movement on reddit that seek to subvert messages with misogyny and racism. We've all seen them. I wonder if the community has done a good enough job in distancing itself from those views? e.g. Men going their own way, certain 4chan posts that show up here, and several posts indicating that black feminism destroyed the black family unit and is the cause of delinquency in youth? These views have shown up here, certainly, and I wonder if those are the views …
/r/MensRights12/07/12 11:09 PM
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Isn't it rather that their presence is worth more than men, given that part of the cost of their ticket is subsidized by their gender identity?
/r/MensRights09/05/12 11:37 PM
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It reflects back on how we label minority-groups in general and helps us empathize. Look at the various terms .. Non-white. Minority-group member. Gay man, lesbian woman. Transgender. Those are labels that we (majority group) force on smaller groups. Do we similarly force a self-label? Are we referred to as "heterosexuals?" It reflects that back and helps us understand how it can feel marginalizing to have a special descriptor for our identity, where 'normal' people need no descriptor. So it's n…
/r/MensRights26/04/12 06:32 AM
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The ENTIRE ISSUE is about what women wore at the point of their sexual assault. How does that concern the male rape rate or who rapes men? At this point, I can only conclude that you're overlooking womens' issues so that you can critique anything feminists do. This entire discussion thread hinges on misunderstanding the issue and misunderstanding the message, so it makes sense that everyone is angry and spiteful about it.
/r/MensRights04/04/12 06:40 PM
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That's blame relevant to the issue of being the victim of rape? Your written logic is as meandering as your youtube diatribes.
/r/MensRights04/04/12 04:20 AM
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when sexual coercion is not significantly gendered? Victim-blaming based on clothing worn is a gendered issue. You know that, and you know that's why it's a separate issue. Why are you pretending otherwise?
/r/MensRights04/04/12 03:05 AM
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You clearly didn't even attempt to read my post. Not clear why .. But it seems you'd rather dump quotes from reports than have a discussion where you might understand the issue better. So to summarize: it's not to say that only men are rapists, but that if one were to write a message to rapists that rape women it would generally be a message to men. I think that's pretty much substantiated by every statistic - am I wrong?
/r/MensRights04/04/12 02:33 AM
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Really? You have a statistic showing that women rape women at a greater rate than men? Can I see that? That's incredible - you really need to let everyone know as it's an incredible finding.
/r/MensRights03/04/12 11:50 PM
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But we don't write messages to rapists that rape men, do we? Especially if they're women. When a discourse comes along to address that separate issue, why not? Why are you being so negative about women having separate issues that are addressed separately?
/r/MensRights03/04/12 10:38 PM
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This isn't actually about stopping rape - it's about painting all men as rapists. It's about responding to victim blame with a play on words and redirection of the discourse.
/r/MensRights03/04/12 10:26 PM
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The clear implication is that only men are rapists The implication is that telling women not to dress a certain way is a less meaningful message than telling male perpetrators (e.g. men) not to rape, since they're the ones that are typically in control during a sexual assault. If this campaign had included victim blame against boys/men, then the message would be different. As it is, the vast majority of rape victim blame falls on women and the vast majority of publicly scrutinized victims are wo…
/r/MensRights03/04/12 09:49 PM
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It is interesting. This study looked at how a huge proportion of police officers' definition of rape was shaped around rape stereotypes and victim-blaming beliefs. http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/Readings/PoliceRape.html And this study summarizes the literature on the re-victimizing experience of dealing with a legal/law enforcement system that blames victims. http://psychology.msu.edu/vaw/core_faculty/rebecca_campbell/Articles/Campbell%20(2005).pdf
/r/MensRights02/04/12 08:21 PM
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You're clearly unaware of the last 50 years of what forensic and social psychology has discovered about people's bias for blaming victims of crimes. In fact, you seem to be a perfect typical example of how someone who engages in victim-blaming thinks.
/r/MensRights02/04/12 05:46 PM
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It's an interesting problem, because many men 'own' this identity and are even proud of their lack of expertise in the home (e.g. cooking, cleaning, non-physical activity, and non-discipline issues related to children). One really has to wonder if this is making men the easy butt of jokes, or is it a team of male writers reflecting on their own 'shortcomings' using self-depreciating humor? I'm tending towards the latter - particularly in sight of the vast number of 'bimbo' and 'old fat butch' fe…
/r/MensRights28/03/12 01:31 AM
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But you've overlooked my entire post. I've showing you how the world is less 'messed up' now than before.
/r/MensRights04/03/12 01:45 AM
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Imperialism is a dying breed What year did this happen? Before/after the feminist revolution? education has been more widespread What is the gender distribution of American highschool teachers? access to food and water has increased substantially Via social programs .. Targeting mothers and children, like WIC.
/r/MensRights04/03/12 01:29 AM
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When was the last world war? When was the last nuclear bomb dropped? What country did the last genocide take place in, and what did their female/male politician distribution look like? Who ended the Vietnam war? Would you really say that the world is less, safe, less habitable, less caring, and less humane towards the weak than it was before women's revolution?
/r/MensRights04/03/12 01:18 AM
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You do understand it was a gangrape that involved a collar and leash..? What standard are you holding gangrapes to, exactly? What are you looking for?
/r/MensRights06/02/12 11:40 PM
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Men are truly the chameleons of psychological testing, and all efforts to capture their disease incidence are totally fruitless. Huff! I throw my hands into the air with you, Donkey_Schlong; it must be science's feminist slant that's holding back men's clinical depression incidence.
/r/MensRights01/02/12 05:16 AM
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A friend recently called me and said she had a one-night stand after drinking too much. She was beating herself up over drinking too much and going home with a guy she met at a bar. I reassured her that everyone makes mistakes and didn't think much more of the account. Isn't it possible that her friend was 'beating herself up' over the one-night stand as a covert way of communicating her non-consensual sexual experience to her friend? Many rape victims beat themselves up over being raped and bla…
/r/MensRights01/02/12 04:51 AM
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Your back-pedaling is digging you deeper here, and your insensitive comments are unwelcome. They saw a therapist, took their meds, and went on with life. But they didn't respond truthfully when surveyed in the epidemiological studies that these rates are based on? Interesting theory, you should let the NIMH know about it.
/r/MensRights01/02/12 04:41 AM
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The rate of depression seems to be roughly double for women. I don't see how anecdotal guesstimated explanations would put such a question to rest when the answer is so clear. Some of the commenters in this thread seem to believe that depression is diagnosed in epidemiological studies by asking, "do you cry a lot?" and that women can only answer yes to this, which is a troubling problem posed to men in itself.
/r/MensRights01/02/12 04:31 AM
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Do dress and toys define your gender? You must have a really flimsy grasp of who you are - no wonder you're up in arms about this.
/r/MensRights22/01/12 01:18 AM
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How does that apply to 'spinning plates' with all of the plates in the dark? I think many posters here are telling themselves that they've been forthcoming with their partners, but I think the reality of their openness is much less clear.
/r/seduction13/01/12 11:16 PM
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I think you're not being honest with the community nor yourself. There have been plenty of borderline-rape FRs posted here, and the community has discussed them, defended them, and everything in-between. The fact is, every FR posted is a subjective account from the OP's POV, and it will more likely than not drop any language or detail that sheds a bad light on the OP. I've seen FRs end with, "she acted really weird after we had sex and wouldn't look at me, but I blame that on her being a weirdo.…
/r/seduction13/01/12 11:10 PM
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If you don't want to get raped, then don't expose the merch (pussy, asshole). Is it that simple! Yeah, ladies!
/r/MensRights10/01/12 01:41 AM
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Doctors examined her and found that her injuries were consistent with rape .. And his own chauffeur noted that she appeared distressed in the car. Do you want a videotape? A split skull? What level of evidence would you need? Tyson has a history of violence and threats and a long police record. I think you've been watching too much CSI.
/r/MensRights01/01/12 04:18 PM
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“I may have taken advantage of a woman before, but I have never taken advantage of her. Wait, what .. Did he just admit to raping other women?
/r/MensRights01/01/12 06:19 AM
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They've done that - just not with humor. Look into rape proclivity research.
/r/MensRights30/12/11 05:46 AM
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You can use past research to infer about potential research... Past research indicates exactly what I described. Or do we walk into each new day blind as bats, with no knowledge before us and no perspective into the future?
/r/MensRights29/12/11 07:09 AM
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Hmm, well I can understand your confusion since there aren't quotes of the scenarios. But if you're provided a rape scenario and respond "yes, I would very much have enjoyed getting my way with the woman in that rape situation," then you've admitted to an interest in rape - given the opportunity.. This translates, via this specific construct, into a proclivity for rape. No, it doesn't mean someone is a rapist, and no, it doesn't mean they've raped - but it does indicate a proclivity, according t…
/r/MensRights29/12/11 06:57 AM
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You could dismiss any piece of research with a pessimistic outlook like that, but you're not really demonstrating an understanding of the design .. I think you should read the study and give it a chance before dismissing it so broadly.
/r/MensRights29/12/11 06:46 AM
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You're not really contributing much, nor are you saying anything constructive. These scientists set out to test a hypothesis and learn more about our culture.. What have you done today?
/r/MensRights29/12/11 05:02 AM
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pulling them all from the same demographic (students) would completely skew the results. Are you trying to say that male college students are more likely to report rape proclivity than the general population? If anything, the findings would be skewed in reverse. Older men and working-class men would likely blow the effects found in this study out of the water.
/r/MensRights29/12/11 04:43 AM
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1) It's a study of only 109 participants - numerically insignificant. (so much so that it's completely reasonable to dismiss it out of hand for simply because of the miniscule sample size). You should look into power analysis. This is a beginner issue in statistical analysis that they teach you about in initial coursework. If you'd argue that 100 people is an inadequate sample for a simple social psychology experiment, then you may as well throw every medical epidemiology study in the garbage, s…
/r/MensRights29/12/11 04:33 AM
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I'm not sure you understand how these studies work. In this study, they took one construct (sexist joke appreciation) and related it with another construct (rape proclivity). Both are real measurements with published questionnaires - you can look into them yourself to decide if you think they measure the construct accurately. A rape proclivity question might ask, for instance, agree or disagree: "women who dress slutty should get what they're asking for, whether they like it or not." The questio…
/r/MensRights29/12/11 04:18 AM
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Rape proclivity scales, sexist humor scales, and rape-myth belief scales have been used for over a decade and many studies have been done using them. You can look into the literature for them but you'll only find articles that substantiate what you linked. You can argue that the measures aren't valid if you want- but ultimately these scales and questions are measuring something about men, the question for you is what it is, exactly. Researchers have been looking into attitudes about women and at…
/r/MensRights28/12/11 10:07 PM
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I'm pretty sure that's really him.
/r/MensRights24/12/11 07:35 PM
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You should submit this to SRS.
/r/MensRights23/12/11 05:49 PM
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The example you cite doesn't support your thesis - in fact it's only tangentially relevant. It concerns a serial rapist who had violent details creatively inserted by some author along the way. That's an issue of media hyperbole, not "rapeflation." The issue you're referring to has nothing to do with that. Do you have evidence that 'pats on the butt' are being conflated with rape? I've never heard of that.
/r/MensRights23/12/11 04:16 AM
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Hopefully, legalizing it would take it off the black market http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_the_Netherlands http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Germany Both are top destinations for human trafficking operations and are selected because of their legalized prostitution. Many freely begin to work as prostitutes but are then enslaved by the pimps.
/r/MensRights12/12/11 02:25 AM
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That re-gendering doesn't make any sense. Here you go: "As long as some whites use physical force to subjugate blacks, all whites need not. The knowledge that some whites do suffices to threaten all blacks. Beyond that, it is not necessary to beat up a black to beat them down. A white man can simply refuse to hire blacks in well-paid jobs, extract as much or more work from blacks than whites but pay them less, or treat blacks disrespectfully at work. Whites can fail to support the welfare system…
/r/MensRights12/12/11 02:15 AM
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You should re-read both quotes. Their meanings are entirely different.
/r/MensRights12/12/11 02:05 AM
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I never indicated it was OK, I asked for an honest quotation of the material. You've still misinterpreted the quote, which is understandable since the language is very messy. She's listing discriminatory or abusive behaviors, and contests that most men behave that way. But she does include discrimination, which means she is not claiming all men are rapists, only that almost all men mistreat or are at least discriminatory towards women. We don't need to blow our interpretation out of reality in o…
/r/MensRights11/12/11 09:33 PM
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Thank you for providing the context to the quotes. I appreciate it, I had troubled finding them. How can we properly dissect and discuss a person's beliefs and opinions with 10% of the story? If what she says is so bad then we should see it in its entirety, not in a form cherrypicked apart.
/r/MensRights11/12/11 09:17 PM
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"As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women...he can sexually molest his daughters... THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE." -- Marilyn French (her emphasis) You've selectively removed parts of the quote -the parts that give it meaning. "All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French That…
/r/MensRights11/12/11 06:45 PM
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Again, I really encourage you to learn more about the unique barriers LGBT individuals face in reporting domestic violence and getting police protection, much less a prosecution. http://scholar.valpo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1884&context=vulr
/r/MensRights11/12/11 06:18 PM
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I can't offer any evidence that this has happened, but I was indicating it's very ignorant to say that the LGBT community has an easy time reporting and prosecuting domestic abuse. That's a ridiculously ignorant thing to claim. As I cited, LGBT individuals have a difficult time reporting any abuse much less getting it prosecuted.
/r/MensRights11/12/11 03:44 PM
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if your gay male lover murders you, you can rest assured that he won't be able to skate That's a very dismissive perspective towards the legal struggles LGBT abuse victims face. LGBT domestic abuse isn't even legally recognized in some states, so I think you can imagine the treatment it receives from law enforcement or when a murder trial makes it to the courts. LGBT abuse victims face a unique set of barriers to reporting and prosecuting abuse. Pattavina A, Hirschel D, Buzawa E, Faggiani D, Ben…
/r/MensRights11/12/11 05:03 AM
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You're not being honest with anyone. This is the proper regendered version: "Judge Richard Coughlan said the men only consented to sex on the understanding that intact condoms were being used ... The woman in this case poked holes in the condoms, putting the man at risk for HIV or STD infection." The women on the receiving end of this man could have contracted HIV from him - that's different than using birth control - that's a life or death situation.
/r/MensRights03/12/11 12:43 AM
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I don't get it .. Is the "girl" the one who took a stand by reporting the child abuse committed against her? Also, teachers don't report directly to police - they report to CPS and their superiors and the school psychologist. That wouldn't really make sense - to call police to the house/school before you even understand what's going on. That would be traumatic in itself. Your poster is really full of misinformation and doesn't help educate women, gotta be honest.
/r/MensRights28/11/11 10:32 PM
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No other source exists for that assertion? He doesn't even say where he got this information from. It could just not have been re-aired since .. In Sweden, men don't have Human Rights at all. That's a bit ridiculous. Many posters on this very subreddit have cited Sweden as one of the best places to be a father and a man.
/r/MensRights28/11/11 04:06 AM
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Girls are underrepresented anywhere from 10-20% in certain regions of India. What's the problem with seeking out a solution to this inequity? In addition to that, lack of bathrooms are also a discouraging factor in schooling for girls. Schooling for girls also reduces rates of unwanted pregnancies, early marriages, and other overall societal ills - outcomes that benefit all of society. If boys are already attending schools then we wouldn't see much benefit in subsidizing their schooling. It's a …
/r/MensRights27/11/11 02:29 AM
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Europe generally uses a recidivism model in their prisons, rather like the model used with female inmates in US prisons. Their prisons are designed to rehabilitate - they are without fail safer and better run than US prisons. On that note: maximum security prisons put too much scrutiny on in-mates and would also have less rape taking place, much like how European prisons' focus on community and rehab have prevented the rape problem.
/r/MensRights14/11/11 02:07 AM
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Professor Cindy Struckman-Johnson and her colleagues published the results of a survey of state prison inmates there. They concluded that 22 percent of male inmates had been pressured or forced to have sexual contact against their will while incarcerated. This is the only credible source you have listed. Well how did they define rape? Did they include people who just regretted it the next day? How do we know the prisoners didn't lie in order to receive sympathy? How do we know we can trust this …
/r/MensRights14/11/11 01:57 AM
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I assume that includes people trafficked for labor as well as sex. (Labor usually comprises the majority of those trafficked.) For the single piece of credible statistics linked, you discard it like a cumrag by saying, "Well, that's probably mostly labor-related data, so whatevs"? Well, sounds like this is a open and shut case. No sex trafficking exists in the USA, whatsoever, I guess, and we should forcefully make it a non-issue. Isn't it equally as possible that we simply don't want to believe…
/r/MensRights29/10/11 10:39 PM
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So .. You're saying men can't stop rapes? None of them? Even the ones they're involved in or oversee?
/r/MensRights29/10/11 02:53 PM
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Some interesting information on Thatcher's alma mater for you. Hey, fuck feminism though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Oxford#Women.27s_education Oxford was long considered a bastion of male privilege,[23] and it was not until 7 October 1920 that women became eligible for admission as full members of the university and were given the right to take degrees .[24] In 1927 a quota of female students was instituted by the University's dons, a ruling not abolished until 1957.[17] However…
/r/MensRights25/09/11 01:31 AM
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not protecting a girl who, in my opinion, has already consented. Sure. If women go upstairs they've already consented, Roulette. Thank you for that little nugget of wisdom.
/r/MensRights23/09/11 01:47 PM
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The other one is that telling men not to rape would be more effective or appropriate then telling women not to wear slutty clothing. Which is true. Unless you follow the famous American model - which posits that potential victims should learn to defend themselves but that their potential predators should be ignored until they commit crimes.
/r/MensRights23/09/11 01:44 PM
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There aren't any laws against inmates raping each other http://www.spr.org/pdf/PREA.pdf consensual sex between prisoners is explicitly against the law. A law meant to protect inmates. society generally frowns upon men raping women. certain types of rape against women and of course It's just that many people have a different view what of constitutes rape then rape activists. than rape victims
/r/MensRights23/09/11 01:42 PM
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they should focus on general safety for both sexes. Like telling women where women can be, what they can dress, and what they're allowed to do.. And telling men to...? What?
/r/MensRights23/09/11 01:33 PM
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Not many answers here, sadly. I'll give you a few downvotes for good measure.
/r/MensRights23/09/11 04:05 AM
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There are laws against a thing, so that means historically and today we, as a society, completely understand and have addressed an issue. Just like how prison rape is illegal, so why not stop whining about it already?
/r/MensRights23/09/11 04:03 AM
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http://www.mencanstoprape.org/
/r/MensRights23/09/11 03:59 AM
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while their trying to raise awareness that you shouldn't blame any victim, they are instead making it seem like the victim was chosen because of what they were wearing. You have missed the point so far from its mark that I'm not sure we're even discussing the same topic, much less the same slogan. The slogan is meant as a short, powerful and biting response to 'advice on how not to get raped,' and does so by pointing out that telling men not to rape makes as much sense as telling women how not t…
/r/MensRights23/09/11 03:55 AM
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I just think that those guys are not as common as feminists like to think they are. Which is an opinion not founded in fact nor any research. You're subscribing to and promoting a rape myth in saying that all rapists know they're rapists and that only the rare, psychopathic, really evil people commit rape - when we know that neither of those things are true. Date rape is common and is committed without the knowledge of the rapist. Additionally, even violent rapists redefine their crimes or see t…
/r/MensRights08/09/11 04:23 PM
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My argument is just that if a guy doesn't know he is a rapist, it is probably because the girl consented, which means he isn't a rapist Surely you realize that not only is this a prominent rape myth, but that the assertion itself is extensively and logically flawed. Surely .. You don't subscribe to and promote rape myths.. Right? Reassure me, please.
/r/MensRights08/09/11 04:09 PM
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My fantasy involves only consensual intercourse. the same is true for many rapists. That doesn't make their actions not rape. Believing that a young teenager can knowingly consent to sexual relations is a form of rape in our society, and it tends to be deeply damaging to child development for both males and females.
/r/MensRights12/08/11 08:48 AM
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Perhaps for me it is enough to just look and fantasize and I will never have to act on those thoughts in order for my desires to be satisfied Perhaps. As you said - there is a great question of 'maybe.' You're nurturing a sexual attraction that you can never actualize or fulfill. You're also contributing to the sexualization of minors - which is a problem in itself. They have reached the stage of their life where they are interested in being sexualized, and I think that makes it "fair game" to s…
/r/MensRights12/08/11 08:46 AM
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Do you see street harassment, or are you privileged white man?
/r/MensRights06/08/11 02:29 PM
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these feminists are to scared to stand up to those guys, rather its guys like me they give a hard time Ignoring someone's hello does not give anyone a hard time. You also have no evidence about who they selectively ignore or are defensive towards. Again, it sounds like you're unfamiliar with New York or urban areas.
/r/MensRights06/08/11 02:28 PM
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Directly from her post: So, Feministes, I ask you: What is your reaction to hello? What cues do you look for that indicate how simple a simple greeting really is? Do you say hello to strangers? Do you say hello back to them? What are the dynamics of hello in non-urban environments, or in urban environments that don’t live as publicly as New York? I guess it was too much trouble to read it through before supporting a counter-argument to it?
/r/MensRights06/08/11 02:27 PM
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You didn't really address this idea: At the same time, over the years I’ve learned that sometimes hello indicates you’re willing to have a longer conversation—and that often that longer conversation quickly enters the realm of what is unquestionably street harassment. I also think that you're not familiar with New York culture if you think that a hello is simply a hello in many neighborhoods of Brooklyn. Street harassment is a daily experience for many young girls walking home from middle school…
/r/MensRights06/08/11 10:05 AM
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I can't imagine what would provoke such a measure. Senseless, baseless feminist paranoia, indeed.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 07:58 PM
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Sorry to break it to you - but you have it the wrong way around, don't let your private hivemind fool you.
/r/MensRights04/07/11 03:07 PM
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Oh, wow, you mean that centuries of embedded persecution, generational poverty, and systematic discrimination at almost every level of power has caused African-Americans to turn out differently than immigrant Africans? That's such a shock. I guess that proves that African Americans are just pulling themselves down, then. They should get over themselves by now.
/r/MensRights04/07/11 12:35 AM
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If women don't learn how to negotiate it is their own fault, not the fault of society from whatever happened several decades ago. And the same goes for blacks; is that right, persecuted, middle-class white male?
/r/MensRights03/07/11 07:39 PM
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One day admitting to being a feminist in public will be the social equivalent of admitting to being a member of the KKK. Talk like this is why few people on reddit take this community seriously.
/r/MensRights03/07/11 07:38 PM
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Which relates back to a lower sense of worth and entitlement, enforced by decades of discriminatory hiring and promotion practices. It's also possible that this post describes many women who have learned, through time and experience, that the initial offer is all that they're worth to most hiring managers, and so they accept it. But let's get back to a tirade against women taking sick days (pff... weak, bleeding, women), like real American guys.
/r/MensRights03/07/11 04:11 PM
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I can sympathize and I do agree that there are places in society that need serious reform and negatively affect the male population. My particular issue with /r/MensRights is not that they advocate for this, but that they blame all of their problems on "feminists". Child custody courts, male circumcision and the horrible pedophile stereotype are all because of the "feminists". It's never clarified beyond that, just "feminists". There are plenty of valid criticisms of this board, which have even …
/r/MensRights03/07/11 04:01 PM
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It was on a TV show .... It must be true.
/r/MensRights28/06/11 03:32 PM
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The issue I have is the idea that men a pigs and women are angels even when it comes to physical attraction. Then that's a separate issue you can take to a separate thread, because it has nothing to do with the topic nor the scope of the study.
/r/MensRights28/06/11 03:31 PM
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No ones body should be objectified by anyone. Why does everything come down to, "but she did it, mom!" for you people? What are you, 9?
/r/MensRights28/06/11 03:30 PM
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The study found out how many milliseconds men focus their gaze on the face region of a pornography image in a laboratory setting. Sure, sounds perfectly reasonable to conclude that men mostly look at faces when they look at porn (that's why they look at hardcore explicit and even violent porn and not modelling or Facebook photos), using only that as evidence. My point? That the OP is editorializing and that you defend him like a rabid dog with no substantiation for your points. That's my point. …
/r/MensRights28/06/11 03:30 AM
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The survey already found out how much men look at women's faces while viewing pornography. Uhh, what survey? Are you referring to the OP's link? I think you're confused. Pornography is one aspect of media, one which not everyone consumes and one which young children (see: damaging effects of objectification) are generally not exposed to. When children are exposed to pornography, there can be very severe and damaging effects, speaking back to the objectification of women in the media. There are a…
/r/MensRights28/06/11 03:23 AM
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This isn't "media", though, it's "pornography." Show me the data on how much men look at a woman's face while watching a pornography video and get back to me on that point, rantgrrl.
/r/MensRights28/06/11 01:01 AM
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I'm not sure how you would set up a metric for objectification that wasn't biased Then you can become sure through a simple literature search. http://www.springerlink.com/content/p62u865012800uth/ I honestly don't think the term objectification holds much in the way of fixed meaning. No more and no less than any other construct given shared meaning in psychology.
/r/MensRights28/06/11 12:20 AM
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Editorializing as in - the authors do not use the word or concept 'objectification' even once, since that isn't a construct they claim they measured.
/r/MensRights28/06/11 12:18 AM
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if people think something is significant to the image they project to the people they're talking to, many will happily lie. Then you learn how to ask, as you've described. You can't throw out the entire methodology of surveying because some people you speak to are embarrassed to talk about private medical sexual issues. Cognitive studies are always complemented by survey and observational studies - they do not stand alone. Furthermore - objectification is probably one of the least shameful behav…
/r/MensRights27/06/11 11:25 PM
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How reliable are people's reflections on their subconscious actions? How reliable is an irrelevant, arbitrary eye-gaze construct (one that the authors do not even identify) to objectification? The OP is editorializing from a blind and ignorant biased standpoint and has no ground to stand on, and we all know it.
/r/MensRights27/06/11 11:23 PM
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But women can't objectify other women, I guess That's not the case at all. Our media actively objectifies both genders, and women in particular, and both men and women in the media are tasked to do the objectifying (e.g. fashion magazines, major actresses who continue to take on demeaning roles). women are the ones with all the body issues You don't sound very informed on this topic. I think most of MR would disagree with you very much on that point.
/r/MensRights27/06/11 09:53 PM
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You saw this on TV, huh? Any name, channel, anything? No? Just your vague and clumsy recollection of what you think you were told?
/r/MensRights27/06/11 09:51 PM
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A survey study of attitudes towards objectification.
/r/MensRights27/06/11 09:49 PM
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I have no doubt that such a study would be used by feminists as evidence of how men objectify women, treating women as objects rather than people. "You have no doubt"? Translation: "my imagination told me so." You drew your own haphazard conclusions from the study that go far beyond the scope and topic of the study. I would imagine that the people who conducted this research would laugh in your face if you approached them with your flimsy and nonsensical extrapolations.
/r/MensRights27/06/11 09:48 PM
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The OP drew their own conclusions from the study. The study does not talk about objectification. There are a variety of reasons why women would have more 'first looks' and longer gaze times for genitals outside of the reason the OP would have you believe. For instance, what about the novelty of the stimuli? Men tend to look at porn vastly much more than women - so the novelty of genitals in pornography may be reduced. Men may also feel shyer/more inhibited in looking at the explicit regions of p…
/r/MensRights27/06/11 09:46 PM
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In essence, what you're saying is that because you experienced it and dealt with it a certain way, that all people should and that there is no reason for them not to be able to. This is your platform: that people should feel less injured by rape because it's not as bad as they think (e.g., like, murder - just re-conceptualize it into something positive). Perhaps that is what you were told and trained to do - perhaps it worked for you. Good luck in your campaign to persuade others to follow those…
/r/MensRights16/06/11 09:58 PM
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the internalization of "rape hysteria" makes her walk around scared all the time and feeling like a victim before she's even been victimized, and feeling like it's inevitable when it's really not. Something tells me you don't live anywhere near an urban area, where carrying mace, a whistle, and avoiding walking on the same street as groups of men is considered 'good practice.' I also find it interesting that, on one hand, you feign advocacy for rape victims, and with the other, you deny that fea…
/r/MensRights16/06/11 07:34 PM
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Thanks for sharing this article. I think it's really important to put things in perspective and see that rape is really not that bad of a thing to experience, and if we weigh how bad it is per gender, it's definitely worse for men, no doubt about it. We should also be thankful that rape is a lot more gentle and less traumatic than it used to be. Heck, what we think of as rape used to be consensual sex. Shouldn't be such a big deal. We should be thanking rapists. Women may get impregnated by rape…
/r/MensRights16/06/11 05:34 PM
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Gilbert said that as he and the victim's parents continued to press local authorities, pushing for more serious criminal charges, the victim was having difficulty handling the situation and began engaging in self-mutilation. Several weeks after coming forth with his initial accusation, the victim confessed that additional sexual abuse had occurred. It's really important to recognize how brave this kid is to go forward with this legally. I hope he understands that the suffering he's unfortunately…
/r/MensRights12/06/11 03:42 PM
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I know - it's terrible.
/r/MensRights02/06/11 10:47 PM
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Dissatisfied with the provided study? Not surprising, since it disproves your world view and must be personally crushing. This is why rabid believers in a cause should stay away from science and stick to the rabid mug-slinging that they so excel at. Google Scholar. Enjoy. I'm not your librarian. If you're as interested in the research as you say, you should be well-versed in what's out there.
/r/MensRights31/05/11 09:14 PM
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Lisak is a massive name in this field and has done great work to the benefit of the men's rights movement. For you to try to attempt to assassinate his character by spitting out a baseless, immature insult speaks to the low level of understanding and debate that you're operating on. Second.. blah blah blah I don't believe it, Kanin Kanin Kanin, McDowell, anecdotes from police officers and my own experience. What was I expecting?
/r/MensRights31/05/11 09:14 PM
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In the absence of anything more current, yes. And yet no absence exists nor has it existed for well over a decade. Lisak D., Gardinier L., Nicksa SC., Cote AM. (2010). False allegations of sexual assualt: an analysis of ten years of reported cases. Violence Against Women. 2010 Dec; 16(12):1318-34. 8 out of 136 (5.9%).
/r/MensRights31/05/11 05:24 PM
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Incidentally, study age is irrelevant You seem .. To have almost no idea what you're talking about, but OK: 2-decade-old studies are exactly as well-designed, valid, and relevant as a study from 2007 and they also account for everything that was learned from past studies performed after its existence. A study's findings only come into question if additional research disproves it. Numerous studies have looked at the same question as Kanin. Why does MR trumpet only his and McDowell's as truth? Ohh…
/r/MensRights31/05/11 05:04 PM
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Many members of MR even agree with you on this, so I'll leave you be. You guys are experiencing so much internal turmoil and disagreement over basic positions that I don't know how you think you can organize yourselves to get anything done. Some people here are arguing that 13 year olds can consent, and others are denying that the rape rate for either gender is over 10% - which it is known to be. Denial and regressive attitudes - that works well for conservatives, why not? Any study supporting y…
/r/MensRights31/05/11 02:16 PM
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statistics There are many comments from different users in her thread that refer to MensRights' abuses of false rape accusation statistics and the reliance on methodologically-flawed and outdated 2-decade old studies. The McDowell study in particular was performed by the Air Force in the 80s - quite a few years before the massive internal sexual assault / harassment gate broke open. Not familiar with that? Seems you're not interested in statistics or truth much; you're interested in pushing your…
/r/MensRights31/05/11 04:48 AM
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And do be very careful you don’t mistake TOKEN resistance for REAL resistance! IF YOU’RE IN DOUBT, STOP IMMEDIATELY!!!" Based on this, and other posts in this thread, it sounds like there is a great deal of ambiguity about where the line is, when it is crossed, and what the ramifications are for crossing it. The only distinction seems to be between the men who entirely dismiss resistance and the men who are interested in recognizing the differences between uncertainty, fear, and caution. It actu…
/r/seduction23/05/11 06:17 PM
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“I don’t want to” OK, so when I hear this she wants me to get more aggressive with her and show her I want it and that I can make her want it too? Got it. How do I tell the difference between passive rape and violent rape, though? You know, since I'm inebriated and my trained and entrenched sense of sexual entitlement blinds my ability to discern consent?
/r/seduction22/05/11 09:39 PM
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MR regularly links to articles that advocate for domineering 'alpha male' treatment towards women. While not being specifically physical abuse, it is clearly a precursor to relational violence. The movement arms men with these ideals, and then warns women against the same men they've armed. Nice. My advice to any woman? Stay away from men who hold rape-myth-type beliefs (like that a woman can see into a domestic abuse/sexual assault crystal ball and avoid "bad men.") Give me a fucking break. Eve…
/r/MensRights20/05/11 09:18 PM
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can't compare our western concepts of marriage to traditional concepts of marriage in other countries You're right. We need to understand that India's marriage culture cannot be held relative to ours. Things like forced sex under threat of violence are part of that culture and should be respected. Similarly, domestic violence is clearly a big part of American culture and we should be careful in attacking it without further analysis. there have always been laws against beating women or raping wom…
/r/MensRights09/05/11 04:31 PM
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Colleges are supposed to be rapehouses according to ideologues like yourself, but... it seems they really aren't. And yet we have an ongoing discussion in a thread below this looking at the college sexual assault rates for men hovering between 10-20%. Uh-huh.. You've provided a searing bit of evidence there, indeed. A blog post citing the reported sexual assaults on college campuses. What a smoking gun.. Yes. And Indian women are compulsive liars when it comes to being raped by their husbands. T…
/r/MensRights08/05/11 08:01 PM
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Here's a summary of findings about rates. As I said, they range from 8-14 or so. You actually left a ridiculously key detail out of the statistic you cite. As shown, 2.3% of the sample overall reported sustaining forced sex from their current or most recent romantic partner That rate is constrained to only the most recent romantic partner. You're citing a statistic that asks whether they've been forced to have sex in the past few months with the person they're currently in love with... Which pre…
/r/MensRights08/05/11 04:49 PM
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Hoff Summers is a gender philosopher - not a researcher. She is no more qualified to critique the research methodology of rape statistics than a teenage social studies student. That's not a scientific "debunking," that's a smear published on the internet. actual evidence that rape is as common You mean rape kits, from India ..? Where most men have admitted to raping their wives, and where, I repeat, women enjoy few rights. Again: do you just want to shut your ears to information that upsets you?…
/r/MensRights08/05/11 04:08 PM
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There are plenty of such surveys publicly available on google scholar. That's why I mentioned a range - because they vary within that. believe You can refer to Google scholar.
/r/MensRights08/05/11 05:09 AM
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Private anonymous surveying of younger men shows that the lifetime prevlance sexual assault rate for men is around 9-14%. It is less, that doesn't mean it's unimportant. Would you like it to be more? Many of your posts suggest that.
/r/MensRights08/05/11 04:49 AM
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It's hyperbole to think that a country that provides few to no rights to women that they would be commonly sexually assaulted or raped? Even in the face of surveyed data? What evidence would you like, Fatalistic? Do you want to see their rape kits? Or do you just want to shut your ears to information that upsets you?
/r/MensRights08/05/11 04:47 AM
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99% is the physical abuse rate, not sexual abuse.
/r/MensRights08/05/11 04:45 AM
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Not that you're going to care or believe it, but I'll tell you anyway .. The authors found a 99% and 75% lifetime prevalence of physical abuse and forced sex, respectively, whereas 65% of women experienced more than five episodes of physical abuse in the 3 months preceding the survey. Factors associated with violence after multivariate adjustment included elementary/middle school education and variables suggesting economic insecurity. These domestic violence rates exceed those in prior Indian re…
/r/MensRights08/05/11 04:44 AM
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No school has ever guaranteed any student freedom of speech, much less elite private colleges. Go into a public school as a teenager and claim to be a nazi while denying the holocaust and see how far you get. Go into a college and criticize professors and administration openly and see how far that goes, similarly. Schools protect their student population and themselves to the extent that their population calls for being protected and to the extent that the university is in some form of danger, l…
/r/MensRights05/05/11 10:20 PM
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How does a human being 'lock their doors'? Some people think that a basic tenet of self-defense is to carry a concealed weapon. Is that what you're championing for all women and men to do in order to adequately protect themselves? Is that really sensible?
/r/MensRights05/05/11 03:55 PM
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however if she was fully clothed and in decent attire she could have avoided the rape entirely And if you don't ever leave your house you can avoid being murdered! And if you don't go to school you can't be bullied! Have some personal responsibility if you don't want to be murdered or bullied! Very insightful. honestly thinking that women that dress as sluts and get raped There is no evidence that style of dress provokes rape. There is only evidence that style of dress provokes rape myth beliefs…
/r/MensRights05/05/11 03:50 PM
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Then, by that logic, does that mean this wasn't possible in 1975? And, by that logic, are you claiming that female intimate homicide victims caused their own deaths?
/r/MensRights30/04/11 06:35 PM
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That's very interesting. In some ways, gender discrimination against men may be protecting them from further violence out of jail.. A pretty sick notion. Of course, that's far from a solution, but it's interesting to see how easily homicide is prevented given certain controls. People often believe that homicide is some kind of unstoppable societal ill that has and always will exist. Data like this show that wrong. The walkaway conclusion? More rehabilitation, more judicial understanding?
/r/MensRights30/04/11 05:55 PM
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The discussion about this data has been going on for some time now. Other researchers have reviewed the theories and applied them to the data, controlling for a variety of factors. You can read such a review here: Violent Acts and Injurious Consequences: An Examination of Competing Hypotheses About Intimate Partner Violence Using Agency-Based Data, Tara Warner. I made it publicly available. Its findings summarized here: Three research questions were presented concerning gender differences in vic…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 05:36 PM
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there were no facts provided, just a claim (1 in 4). In the article she never provided any facts but just said it and expected us to believe it. As I said, you have the freedom to do a full lit search on the subject if you're interested. It's a fairly absurd and unprecedented idea that people cite their statements during interviews. You'd have a hell of a time finding any USA Today or CNN article which footnotes statements during interviews. She didn't make wild, unbelievable claims; hundreds of…
/r/MensRights26/04/11 04:14 PM
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Alright, fair enough. But before you call - you might venture over to Google Scholar for a short moment and search 'sexual assault prevalence,' or something to that effect.. You'll find that most every study shows the stated rate. You don't need a specific one from her - you can find your own and examine its methodology to your content. This way you don't need to spend any time discussing the matter.
/r/MensRights26/04/11 04:54 AM
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then check it out and verify it. And what does that mean? Responding with weblinks to some random journalist or blogger who make outlandish and ignorant critiques using studies from the 1980s? Survey the literature and properly and honestly educate yourself. Step outside the blogosphere realm of MRA and open yourself up to the large and well-established scientific body of research concerning sex abuse. Why is that so hard, and what does the fact that a large proportion of young girls and boys ar…
/r/MensRights26/04/11 04:11 AM
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call her out on what is probably a lie. On what basis? Maybe we should get our facts straight before we initiate a harassment brigade of a doctor who cares for child sex abuse/rape victims.
/r/MensRights26/04/11 03:54 AM
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I really don't know what to say about this supposed statistic. I'm trying to find it in one of her publications and plan on giving her office a call today. On what basis are you going to critique her statement? 3-decade old Air Force studies? Many reviews have been done of the literature and have found similar rates. Most surveys of college-age women find a sexual abuse rate of 15-20% within the last 5 years. That's just a college population - a normal sample. She's a PhD-level psychiatrist who …
/r/MensRights26/04/11 03:51 AM
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You cite: 94% of sexually abused youth in correctional facilities reported being abused by female staff Without citing: Overall, 91% of youth in these facilities were male; 9% were female. Are you being misleading on purpose? Or do you recognize that these gender proportions make sense per the population involved? Further, male-on-male abuse can be experienced as much more humiliating and shameful to young men who might value their masculine image, and therefore might be underreported much like …
/r/MensRights21/04/11 04:46 AM
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It's like a rape stock market, huh? You're definitely onto something, rantgrrl, despite having no evidence or studies to back you up and working off only your primitive knowledge of percentages. Thanks for your insightful contribution here.
/r/MensRights21/04/11 03:42 AM
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There is NOTHING other than seniority keeping women from climbing poles, digging trenches, working on 60 foot boom trucks. False on its face. The construction industry has been overwhelmingly male dominated for years, and on many jobsites women construction workers are not welcome. Sex discrimination and anti-women attitudes are still prevalent on worksites, despite the fact that sex discrimination is illegal.6 Several studies have shown that female construction workers suffer from gender and se…
/r/MensRights21/04/11 03:27 AM
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I'd say by and large, one thing that was always drilled into my head during sex education / other social responsibility classes was that "no means no" and I'd bet the same thing happens throughout the country and that probably has more to do with the decrease in rape than an on campus program. You're agreeing that this is effective - and yet you think that extensions and augmentations of this same program are ineffective. Can you clarify? If a "no means no" campaign helps educate men and women a…
/r/MensRights20/04/11 03:38 PM
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other than the fact that they constitute a poor use of tuition money and federal subsidies Baseless. Rape rates have dropped sharply since they implemented rape prevention programs. Your claim has no substance. was apparently ineffective at preventing the sole reported case of sexual assault that did occur on campus. If you go through life wearing red, rage-tinted glasses, that's all you're ever going to feel: rage. How can you assume that the rape prevention program at your school doesn't contr…
/r/MensRights20/04/11 03:32 PM
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Yes. If 15 men are all murdered by different killers, they should deal with each case on a case by case basis. That sounds like it would make sense .. if we were in the 1600s and didn't have a federal, state, or local government nor any knowledge of crime. Then move on with our lives Just like the school shootings. Rinse and repeat, no thinking or proactive response necessary. Just put em in jail and shock em to death. Common sense approach, I like it. We have a much more nuanced and proactive a…
/r/MensRights20/04/11 01:42 AM
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How many strawmen do you need to raise up to look like a jackass? 1? 2? A whole sidebar?
/r/MensRights19/04/11 11:22 PM
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If 15 men were murdered on a campus, you really think that the university should handle these murders on a case-by-case basis and leave it at that? Interesting perspective on criminology you have there ..
/r/MensRights19/04/11 11:21 PM
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That's quite a few considering the campus, the area, and the underreporting figures.. What are you getting at, exactly? How many students should be forcibly raped before they respond to the problem? 300? 1000? Very childish desktop, by the way - not really making your case in a professional way.
/r/MensRights18/04/11 10:20 PM
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Never intended to sound as if I were blaming any men, at all. I think that you might be associating my language (low-paying jobs, not training/education) with the traditional language of criticisms. They're not criticisms, they're behavioral trends.. And I pointed them out, as if to say, "hey, these are the behavioral trends that lead to lower pay among that specific demographic, I wonder what's up with that," and not as if to say, "men are dumb and should go to school" - which is exactly what I…
/r/MensRights13/04/11 04:04 AM
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The conclusion that they came to was pretty wide and sensationalistic, considering it was a study of young, highly-educated, single, childless urban workers. This indicates no female wage gap in that demographic, and only that demographic. It indicates, also, that younger urban men are taking on lower-paying jobs and not training/educating themselves to the same extent as women. Possibly due to the absence of a father figure in their lives? That's likely a bigger deal to our society than an 8% g…
/r/MensRights12/04/11 06:51 PM
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It really sounds like you're just interested in holding women responsible for everything at all costs. What "subtler" ways are you really referring to? Dating trends? I don't know of any data on that - if you're interested in providing it - I'm just working off of the knowledge that homophobia and physical bullying are much more prevalent among boys than girls. It sounds like you mean that women choose to date gender-stereotyped men more than they choose to date more gender-neutral men, which I'…
/r/MensRights11/04/11 06:24 PM
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It's not just men who belittle other men for being effeminate; women do this too(a lot) and, if anything, have a significantly greater level of influence towards heterosexual men than other men do This is pretty shaky logic and a pretty haphazard generalization. Firstly, peer influence is something that fathers, mothers, and teachers make an effort to manage. On that, there has been a massive effort to reign in aggressive, homophobic, and antisocial male gender roles in school-children for some …
/r/MensRights11/04/11 03:53 PM
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http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=rape+provocative+clothing&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C33&as_sdtp=on As I said, any lit search would do it. I left it open to the reader to do the search, since I'm sure that any link would devolve into poorly thought-out micro-criticisms of the methodology... Enjoy your reads. Other wonderful jury influences include A) the attractiveness of the victim, B) how upset they are, and C) the sexual history of the victim (always relevant!).
/r/MensRights06/04/11 09:48 PM
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You asked a vague, hypothetical question for the purposes of discussion. I followed up with a request for clarification. Are we seeking to define the logics of blame, or are we interested in solutions? I don't know that making women more fearful and more reclusive is a solution to high sexual violence rates. What country has that worked for, exactly?
/r/MensRights06/04/11 09:45 PM
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Yes, in a perfect world women could wear whatever they want and not be bothered by harassment, let alone rape Harassment, perhaps. But harassment is not rape, and there is absolutely no research that indicates that how a woman dresses has any influence on their risk of being raped. Zero evidence. Once again: this is a myth perpetuated by scummy lawyers to win cases against victims. It's the last-ditch personality-warfare argument of the accused, and has no bearing on reality or crime rates.
/r/MensRights06/04/11 09:43 PM
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So how does a woman go about 'locking her car'? Not socializing with men (because we all know they're all rapists - right - we have to watch who we hang out with, hint: it's only women). Never drinking? Wearing ugly clothes? What does a woman have to do to be labelled 'suitably protected'? The way to protect a car is to not have one. Older cars are targeted for parts and poor security (like older women, they are poorly equipped to defend themselves) and newer cars are targeted for being valuable…
/r/MensRights06/04/11 06:56 PM
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Does society bear any responsibility at all for this incident? Should we be chastised or criticized in any way at all? Why do we think that if it's not safe for a sexualized 11 year old to walk at night that it's safe for a grown, fully-clothed older woman to walk at night? Older women are often the targets of rape, as well, and many in poorer neighborhoods live in fear of it for most of that part of their life. The question isn't whether the parents are responsible, it's why we allow our nights…
/r/MensRights06/04/11 06:52 PM
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blaming men who are falsely accused of rape for putting themselves into a situation where they can be accused of such. Don't forget that, as a society, we blame prison rape victims for their rape for being in prison and committing a crime. It's the same cognitive bias: that because a terrible thing happened, then the victim must be partly culpable. Criminals asked to be raped, when they committed their crime.
/r/MensRights06/04/11 06:46 PM
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There's a great deal of legal research that shows that juries and experimental groups judge rape victims harshly if they dress a certain way and will not find a rapist culpable if the victim 'asked for it' by dressing a certain way. Do a quick lit search - that's all you're going to find on the topic: confirmations of this very rape myth.
/r/MensRights06/04/11 06:43 PM
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Exactly. Victim: I was assaulted. Police: What were you wearing? Victim: Uhh.. Fitted jeans, a v-neck, and long, styled hair? Police: You know.. You put yourself in this position and drew this violence. You should exert more care next time, buddy, and dress in a way that attracts less attention. While you're at it, man up, faggot.
/r/MensRights06/04/11 06:40 PM
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If I parked the car on the street in a bad neighborhood with the doors unlocked, Human beings don't park, and don't have locks. They have bodies, and they socialize. The female equivalent to locking a car up in a safe neighborhood is staying home in the basement wearing sweaters and jeans. Is that a reasonable way of approaching risk reduction? No, it's insane, unhelpful, and is not even based in any scientific evidence, whatsoever. There is no evidence that provocative clothing induces rape, on…
/r/MensRights06/04/11 06:38 PM
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When I hear people saying that women should avoid dressing in ways that would draw the attention of a rapist What evidence is there to say that dressing a certain ways draws attention from rapists? Couldn't you equally say that being in public or publicly exercising draws the attention of rapists? Women commonly jog in the streets in - some would argue - a sexually provocative way, regardless of their clothing (things jiggle whether we want them to or not). Does this mean that women should also …
/r/MensRights06/04/11 06:33 PM
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But, groping is not necessarily a big deal, just like being shoved is not necessarily a big deal. Sure, sexually molesting someone is just like shoving them - no big deal. People like you are why most of Reddit sees MR as raving lunatics. Go away, you're destroying any semblance of meaning or purpose that MRM may have left in it. But, women do not have the right to be touted as victims because Translated: victimized people don't have a right to be victims, because I don't recognize the sexual as…
/r/MensRights09/03/11 03:57 AM
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Although I understand that reddit's male userbase is not necessarily representative of males in society as a whole, it does give an insight into how some 15-28 year old males conceptualize statutory rape with a boy. I wonder if they would conceptualize it the same if the perpetrator had been male and the victim had been 'uncertain' but interested? At core, this goes back to the same hypermasculine expectations that men (and society) enforce on themselves, a thing that prevents them from reportin…
/r/MensRights21/01/11 09:08 PM
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