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Actually the market is shrinking which in the long run creates a downward pull on effective rates. Good for the man sure but not for the sugar babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:17 PM
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It drives potential customers out of the market entirely and increases generic suspicion from remaining customers which inevitably falls on them individually. It's the same reason an ethical mechanic might resent unethical mechanics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:54 PM
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Bravo sir. This is the first intelligent post I've seen on this subreddit in God only knows how long.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:05 PM
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I can only assume from this comment that you live in a hovel in the wilderness and only ever interact with humans online if you haven't seen people haplessly fufilling social scripts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:57 PM
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Women are soldiers of last resort. There's the issue of comparative value and social opportunity cost before we even begin to talk about the studies which all show women are less effective in combat positions. Small countries draft women because they don't have enough warm bodies with just the men. This is a trend you see throughout history.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:22 AM
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I agree that the idea of male disposability can be a problem. Then we disagree. Male disposability is solution not a problem. It's a foundational cornerstone of society for a reason; a feature not a bug. We need men to make themselves voluntarily disposable. Our incentive structures fail to achieve this today.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:58 AM
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Obviously. When a nautical disaster happens it's straightforwardly the case that the people with the most seamanship are most likely to survive. In fact that reality is why first consideration is given to women and children. If women and children didn't tend to die during disasters nobody would be concerned about the safety of women and children during disasters. If you're attempting to disprove male disposability then this isn't compelling evidence because it only serves to justify the necessit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:29 AM
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True infertility is possibly one of the only exceptions to the benefits afforded to women on account of childbearing capacity. Though even that being said you still benefit from an assumption which blankets the group of which you're a part. Generally women won't be seen to be as expendable as men until old age removes assumptions of fertility. While society may be wrong in its failure to sort women who don't bear children into the expendable pile it isn't wrong to treat wombs as indisposable and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:53 PM
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You should be in theory but society doesn't generally view you that way. Put simply you might change your mind. The mere capacity to bear children affords you the benefit of the doubt here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:32 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:36 PM
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Exactly my point. You simply clailmed that unlike men, who obviously don't really want women to act like men, women do actually want that. Except they don't as revealed by your description of a husband who does normal man things as if being a cooperative partner is a "woman thing" in a species defined by cooperative reproduction or as if rocking the baby to sleep isn't man-like in the species which by far has the highest and most normative rate of paternal care giving. Like I said you're confuse…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:18 PM
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In this case you're just confused about what it means to act like the opposite sex which further reinforces my point that women do not actually want men to act like how women act.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:06 PM
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You say that but it isn't true. Femininity in a man is absolutely demonstrated to be a negative in dating and mating, and women do not want to be on the hook for the kind of expectations women have of their partners nor do they wish to subjected to female behaviors. Women wish men would be like the way the women idealize themselves. What you are describing isn't a real desire but a fantasy of a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:05 PM
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You mustn't have read the article. The example is absolutely symmetrical. The article describes acts which make a man feel desired not a woman's internal emotional world of desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:00 PM
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Dual maying strategy isn't even evo psych its just evolutionary biology. It's not something contested by the relevant scientific community.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:53 PM
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Good genes versus resources provisioning is the female dual mating strategy which red pill commonly refers to as af/bb. Male dual mating strategy does not bifurcate this way because resource provisioning is not a trait selected for either short or longterm relationships by men. Men bifurcate with regard to sexual receptivity. Women who are easily available for sex are sorted into the short term camp and women who are not easily available for sex are sorted into the longterm camp. It's a differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:33 PM
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I never said that. I said that af/bb is not a male dual mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:16 PM
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Female dual mating strategy bifurcates good genes and resource provisioning. Male dual mating strategy bifurcates based on sexual promiscuity versus sexual chastity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:03 PM
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You're confusing af/bb, a specific dual mating strategy, with dual mating strategy in general. Men have a dual mating strategy but it doesn't bifurcate the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:55 PM
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People enjoy things they are good at and disinvest from things which yield no reward. This can be generalized across the mammalian world to any game of which you can think. Whether someone enjoys the chase or not is mediated by how frequently they win. There's a certain threshold of success at which the chase becomes enjoyable and then a level above that where you want the woman to make it harder because it's normally too easy for you. On the other side there's the men for whom the success rate …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 05:52 PM
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It's also not even the most relevant point of discussion for the OP's title. Women don't recieve implicitly derived privileges from society because they're "nice." Women are "nice" in order to derive implicit privileges from society. The reason society offers the privileges is because women perform a number of useful functions some of which are unique to women as a sex. To the extent that the collective female privilege is based on the obligation to perform those functions, the absence of the ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:01 PM
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Yeah I thought the same. It would certainly have been a more compelling argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:54 PM
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There's a good reason why competency isn't measured by educational attainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:51 PM
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I hate to be the one to say it but considering the birth rate, failure of family formation, and general end of female gender roles, the title of you're post most thoroughly applies to modern women themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:49 PM
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Hello there from an almost thirty Gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:06 PM
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Same deal different story for me. The red pill epiphany is when enough observations coalesce into a framework. The observations trave back to childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:52 PM
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You couldn't be more incorrect about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:43 PM
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Children experience gender dynamics as well, let's be real here. Most boys have discovered something unfair by the time they're eight all without exposure to the online content. You aren't really making a point so much as denying a widely agreed upon experience, stumbled on independently by a plethora of men across time and space. Perhaps you should take aome time and self reflect on your own preconceived notions
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:01 PM
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Men don't start out red pilled. It's hard to pursue a confirmation bias when the take away from your personal experiences changes your preconceived notions about women. You're twisting yourself into knots to try and avoid the truth that for men the red pill is an epiphany. It's names that way for a reason and that reason isn't becuase they believed it all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:53 PM
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It's the women men personally meet, interact with, observe etc who red pill men, not the curated selection of women on the internet. Men know the curated narrative is, well, curated. It so happens to also be a hyper-real reflection of phenomena they've seen or experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:45 PM
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If you observed both kinds you'd see a noted difference. In particular the shit testing version happens to someone she already knows and is in at a minimum a situationship with. When shit testing she isn't giving her drink to a trusted friend to watch, she's just making him hold something in a context where it could be set down and watched by any of several other trusted people even including himself. It'll be the kind of thing you see where a husband has to hold the toddler, her purse and the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:44 PM
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I'd consider warning young people off of something extraordinarily detrimental to their wellbeing for which they have no lived experience to necessitate their involvement in to be an act of kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:16 AM
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What? Did you typo meanie? Do you think it's unkind to tell teenagers not to imbibe raw toxicity before they even enter the real world?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:09 AM
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On the first point you're just wrong. Most of the DV statistics show that the gendering is relatively similar. The OP described a woman he'd been on a handful of dates with as requesting heavy manual labor from him. I guess you'd have to be a man to understand this but it's not uncommon for women you barely know to use the prospect of romance to try and extract favors, money, experiences etc from you. This woman wasn't his friend or his girlfriend just a potential romantic prospect. It's sensibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:51 PM
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Yes, it's a textbook example of the ability to reach for a common social narrative which obligates men but not women. The axiomatic assumption in play when they nitpick your example is precisely that it's unreasonable for you to have that boundary and reasonable for a woman to ask that of someone they barely know. Simultaneously they still proclaim to be supporters of boundaries, just not yours thus establishing that boundaries are seen as predominately for women to wield not men. That being sai…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 04:47 PM
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You are literally falling victim to your own taboo. You seem to believe that judging someone for throwing a temper tantrum when met with a boundary is itself judgemnet worthy. If as you put it there is no basis is for judging other's reactions then ipso facto you have no room to judge. This makes you a hypocrite At a deeper level those who proclaim judgement to be wicked and unjustified are normally the kind of people who engage in judgement worthy behaviors, and they simply wish to control how …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:00 PM
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"why men don't respect women's boundaries and are scary"? This is a major talking point in our cultural dialogue that gets repeated ad nauseum with a very clear consensus on the issue. OP's point is precisely that no such parallel discussion or conclusion exists. He's pointing at a hypocrisy embedded in a dominant social narrative which women have the ability to reach for at their own convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:46 PM
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This notion that people can't judge others for their behaviors and reactions is hogswallop of the highest variety. Anybody proclaiming this is de facto a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:41 PM
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Girl, you're sixteen. Get the fuck off the internet gender wars forums and stop poisoning your mind. In twenty years you'll have real experiences to bitch about. Until then you have no business in a space like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 06:23 PM
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If you're feeling excluded then never fear, you would most certainly be among the panoply of morons here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 02:05 PM
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You are projecting your inability to effectively turn observations on seen data into accurate unseen data predictions onto men smarter than you I don't know what it is about this sub but I consistently notice that it attracts unusually stupid people even by the standards of Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:23 PM
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to babies or old men? What's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:27 PM
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Someone pointed out the same about how close we are to bananas. Imagine your hypothetical but raising a banana instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:27 PM
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They could raise the banana. Under OP's framework it's basically the same as having a child anyway! Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:25 PM
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The funny thing about the technical terms is they don't seem to understand the genetics either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:23 PM
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It's not a matter of should but rather can. You said nobody is handing out careers to unlucky women, you didn't add the qualifier that the career must also be a desirable first choice option. Getting married and having life paved for you by someone else is an option only available to a woman whether you find that option to be immensely desirable or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:51 PM
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there really isn't a fabled institution that just hands out free careers to unlucky women... It's called marriage. A woman always has the option to set up shop in someone else's life and the state will ensure she is legally entitled to the fruit of her partner's labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:49 PM
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You have cuase and effect reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:35 PM
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Well whether your description is accurate is up for debate, but the issue is that if you want to draw comparisons between masculinity and politics you need to get your technical descriptions correct. If you're using colloquial misconceptions as a baseline for this discussion then your entire point is confused from the ground up. There isn't anything to discuss in your prompt because your theoretical first principles are ontologically confused. If you don't appear to understand the terms you're u…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:20 PM
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In fact, the biggest predictor iirc is low openness to experience. If your going off big five its more that high conscientiousness is the biggest predictor of conservatism. Lower openness is associated but more in the sense that openness is the best predictor of left valence politics in WEIRD countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:50 PM
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Your conception of what conservatism and liberalism are is poisoned by colloquial useages of these terms in American politics and divorced from their actual meaning. For example you associate liberalism with collectivism and conservatism with individuality when in reality liberalism as a political theory is expressly individualizing and anti-collectivist. American conservatives are liberals. Collectivist views further to the left are illiberal. The mainstream postions across the American politic…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:48 PM
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One of my all time pet peeves is any argument which puts the cart before the horse. God there are so many of those floating arpund our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:34 PM
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The commenter who already responded to you hit the nail on the head. The host asked a loaded question, and then when she didn't hear the answer she wanted she explicitly made the topic about men and women and forced him to explain. There is no way to honestly talk about a woman being the greatest tennis player of all time without inevitably having to reference the men's game to point out that she isn't. There's a reason why sports are sex segregated. This is very much a case of somebody rage bai…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:49 PM
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There is really nothing to debate here. In McEnroe's case he was asked if Serena was the greatest tennis player of all time and he responded that she was certainly the greatest woman tennis player of all time. The host then decided to interrogate him as to why he had to bring up the qualifier and couldn't he just admit she was the best regardless of sex. The entire discussion only became about comparing men and women because the stupid woman host intentionally was trying to get McEnroe to say th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:02 PM
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New reports are not based on crime data. They're based on individual crimes. Data isn't a news story, a specifc incident is. Either way you watching the news isn't analysis. You aren't engaged in analysis because you have no methodology. Your are engaged in heuristics. I ultimately reiterate my point that you either don't really know what differential analysis is or that you have a defintion so loose as to be meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:10 PM
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No, because it's sarcasm. Your contention was not that the bear thing was sarcastic but that it was an analogy to gender based violence differentials and a commentary on predictabilty. It's the commentary on preferred predictabilty which makes it irrational and the lack of understanding of cross-sex violence which makes it nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:05 PM
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Your haphazard heuristic methodology. Looking at news articles does not amount to analysis anymore than watching fish means I'm engaged in icthyology or digging in my butt for a hemorrhoid means I'm performing internal surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:03 PM
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It's definitely allegorical just not to gender differences in cross-sex violence. It does not confrom to the (a) is to (b) as (b) is to (c) framework your trying to shove it into. It's a straight forward allegory between men and predators, and a statement on emotional uncertainty. It's not that deep, and nobody has misunderstood it. It would only be rational hyperbole if it was rendered as a simile. It's the part where it suggests that men are more dangerous than bears which is irrational becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:06 PM
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The line between demonstrative hyperbole and excessively emotional hysteria is the applicability of the chosen hyperbole. Media illiteracy isn't a relevant concept here. Applicability is. Your hyperbole must itself be applicable to the thing it's hyperbolizing. As I've layed out in my other responses to you, the hyperbole doesn't really apply here, so I reiterate, come up with better hyperbole. Maybe read some high end rhetoric, literature or propaganda because what is relevant here is literal l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:01 PM
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That's like calling the moment when you look at your turd before flushing it down the toilet a fecal test. It's extraordinarily loose.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:54 PM
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A few things. First of all the differential in cross gender violence is actually not that substantial until we select for the absolute tail of the spectrum. In general the average difference is small and similar numbers of each gender report abuse from the opposite sex. So your hyperbole is in fact a hyperbole of a hyperbole. Secondly, if the point of the hyperbole is to demonstrate that bears are as much more unsafe to men as men are to women then the part where you pick the bear over the man m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:52 PM
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If you wanted to say that men are more violent than women on average or more precisely that extremely violent men are more common then extremely violent women then it would make sense to say you're safer around women in the forest than men. Bears are a total non-sequitur. The line between demonstrative hyperbole and excessively emotional hysteria is the applicability of the chosen hyperbole. At no level does the hyperbole here make sense. You're either talking about something not relevant to wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:39 PM
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No the third one isn't an insult. It's just empty performative stupidity in the form of a statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:34 PM
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You either have an awfully loose defintion of differential analysis or you're just really bad at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:33 PM
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The reason men aren't misunderstanding this issue, but merely pointing out it's irrationality is because it involves choosing a likely predictable death over an unlikely unpredictable death or rape. You're essentially saying you'd rather be sure of being eaten alive than unsure if you might be raped or murdered. It's akin to saying you'd rather play Russian roulette with all the chambers full than with only one chamber full because you'd rather the certainty over the uncertainty. We know you mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:31 PM
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The original comparison was between the violence level of men and bears not men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:26 PM
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It sounds like I got the exact same talk you did. I was told what kind of guy I was supposed to be and what a girl should be able to expect from me in a relationship etc. That many people get no talk aside, it is most likely the case that boys who recieved a talk were given the exact same information as you. It's just that the idea of relationship expectations has always revolved around what women need for which men are responsible so girls hear what's expected of guys and guys hear what's expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 08:39 PM
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Okay I'm just going to chime in here about your basic misunderstanding of the natural world. There is no field of natural science in which hierarchy is not the rule. Every facet of biology, chemistry and physics is hierarchical. Take whatever issue you want with red pill ideology, but hierarchy is a natural phenomenon. There is no aspect of nature devoid of hierarchy including biology. Your objection is like complaining that newtonian physics is an excuse to frame gravity as physics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:12 PM
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If markets reflected actual value then water would be worth more than diamonds. You are confusing absolute value with relative and immediate demand. If you don't really understand how markets work then you shouldn't reference them as your lack of understanding undermines your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:13 PM
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Responding in a hostile fashion with deeply personal insults to an argument about the validity of a psychological theory is not exactly showing the breadth or depth of your alleged emotional intelligence seeing how you've failed to pick up on the tone of the comment. It comes across like you'd struggle to read a room, and that you lack the ability to empathize well enough with someone you might disagree with to have a civil conversation. Considering you have made a number of comments like this t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:47 PM
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It's a poorly established theory in a field littered with pseudo scientific nonsense and riddled with replication errors. Psychology is great don't get me wrong, but it's also one of the top fields for charlatans and people who just aren't very good at what they do. Whatever we are calling emotional intelligence probably exists, but psychology cannot and has not adequately defined or measured it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:01 PM
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This comment is ironically peak low EQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:58 PM
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You must not be familiar with porn if you think it spends time on the subtleties of social interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:03 PM
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Sure, with the welfare state it's not as vital as it once was, This is a trick. All the welfare state does is separate men from their money at the point of a gun and transfer it to someone else. It creates a diminishing incentive for achievement that leads to the procurement of investment capital. Essentially the government intermediary obscures the origin of the capital in a way that removes the reason to produce that capital. Welfare programs are dependent on demographic factors and effort on …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:20 PM
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Be fair. Most people are more sympathetic to cute animals than other human beings regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:08 PM
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Modern women are raised in a cultural environment that tells them how life as a man is like existing with with more privileges and benefits. Naturally if men just have everything better than you then you wouldn't consider any of these factors. It's a paradigm designed to prevent consideration for the opposite sex rather than for the self.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:05 PM
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For a relationship. You are confusing a want with a need. If I wanted to ride a motorcycle I could easily find a cheap serviceable motorcycle. I just don't want one. If I seek to purchase a house I can find an affordable one, but I won't purchase it unless it's in a desirable location. In each analogy the serviceable man is the motorcycle I don't want and the liveable house below my expectations respectively. These are wants not needs. Just because a woman cannot find what she ideally wants in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:37 PM
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No shit, and I'm describing how reality is while you go off about how people feel about it. "Whaa whaa men don't feel chosen. Whaa whaa women don't like to settle for boring water." Reality doesn't give a fuck. The water is clean albeit undesirable. If men don't like being undesirable then they can suck it up. If women don't want clean albeit undesirable water then they can suck it up. Either way women aren't in a swamp. Jesus you are dense. Like not only do I have to make my point, but I have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:26 PM
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The issue being discussed is the validity of the "men in deserts, women in swamps" analogy. What is not being discussed is whether men feel desired even if they are recognized as better than brackish water, and whether women are willing to settle for something less than immaculate. It's not relevant to the legitimacy or lack thereof as it pertains to the aforementioned analogy. Remember the topic is the validity of the analogy not whether anyone is more or less content with reality whether the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:17 PM
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That's irrelevant to my point. Women aren't in a swamp full of brackish water. The water is mostly clean enough to be serviceable albeit not inherently desirable beyond it's utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:00 PM
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It's full of clean water. Not lovely immaculate water, but clean enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 03:50 PM
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Yeah it's possible my point of view is very male brained. At any rate, as someone who's actually quite far along the curve I've long understood intellectual exceptionalism to be an unrealistic standard. However, now that I think about it women have often told me I should look for an intellectual equal which, as stupidly limiting as that advice sounds to me is probabaly a reflection of what they would do in my shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:48 PM
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If their intellectual level was high then they would discard that standard anyway because it artificially makes their dating pool virtually nonexistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:57 PM
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Yeah, I know some guys all the ladies want and they don't have strongly favorable views of most of those women. I've literally been told that if dating is hard then it's not worth it, and if it's easy it still isn't worth it unless you're just horny. The women who think so well of themselves are in many cases not offering commensurate value.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:12 PM
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There's a false sense of safety there. Low male social investment is the bigger issue for a society than young male violence. It just doesn't look as bombastic so our monkey brains are more inclined to gloss over it. All societies have developed outlets and controls for the violence. Societies still come apart at the seems when male disenfranchisment hits a critical mass. At some point we'll get poorer and possibly be outcompeted by a rival outgroup. At that point norms will begins to reset, vio…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:55 AM
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Something about these gifting women money conversations reminds me of children. It's like an allowance or something. It seems many women love to be treated like children rather than adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:27 PM
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Prostitution
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:21 PM
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If you think the reason some guys are successful with women and others aren't is the difference between giving monetary handouts upfront in a relationship then you must not have much life experience pertaining to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:19 PM
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My actual answer would be pointless in light of your less than genuine question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 08:54 PM
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The question isn't genuine because it starts from the assumption that Sharpe actually did do anything wrong. Grade A ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 07:18 PM
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Not at scale with secular NGOs. Like I said the Catholic church is the gold standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:02 AM
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Charity needs across the globe depend on large organizations. Not all of those organizations are bad. The Catholic church for example is the gold standard for global non governmental social services running about a quarter of the world's hospitals as just a small part of their outreach. Unfortunately small secular nonprofits provide limited benefit and large ones are borderline scams. Only religious charity effectively scales up as their morals aren't based on ephemeral social mores and the asso…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:36 AM
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Sure. At mediocre performance and enormous compensation, particularly for those who run the nonprofits. The percentage of money that actually goes toward services rather than compensation is outrageously low Pretending that a nonprofit career is a huge benefit to society is a peak example of using a career to virtue signal. Nonprofit status is a convenient way to make a good deal of money as an organization without serious tax burdens. The idea that you're doing serious social good goes a long w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:22 AM
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Nonprofits aren't exactly doing a good job of it. Most nonprofit money goes in the pockets of the nonprofit employees. The only thing nonprofit means is that the enterprise spends all its money.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:13 AM
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There is no such media consensus. All available evidence from scientific studies to personal anecdotal experience point in the opposite direction. You may confuse a loud minority of hard social constructionists with a consensus, but in that case you're out of touch with what science and/or real people actually believe. The vast majority of people do not buy the idea that women are as libidinous as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:16 PM
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I stopped reading at the prompt. If you think it isn't largely acknowledged that men are more sexually motivated with a higher tolerance for promiscuity than women then you've been living under a rock.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:35 PM
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To be frank I'm not sure if you're raising a different point unrelated to what I've said, if you didn't understand that what I said was about how men view women not the other way around or both. I'm not sure that today's women actively mistreat low mate value men. They do passively mistreat them though. Neglect and abuse are the same as it pertains to psychological impact. At any rate I'm not sure what that really has to do with the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:52 PM
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I meant that each groups view is built on their respective views toward women not women's treatment of them. Incels feel animosity which the study sought to measure (albeit poorly with small sample size). Successful men may view easily accessible women with disrespect and contempt which the study did not seek to measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:16 PM
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It doesn't even make sense for half the survey sample to be women if you're trying to measure men's attitudes. It's even more of a mess when you utilize women's self report on men's attitudes. Self report is only useful for measuring subjective views of the self in the individuals who make up the group being measured. Even then it has limitations in applicability to behavior. I'd just point out to any woman attempting to extrapolate a conclusion that successful guys are better toward women or le…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:07 PM
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To build on your point, the ego fortress incel's view is predicated on animosity which the study sought to measure whereas the extremely successful man's view is built on disrespect, contempt, and devaluation which the study did not seek to measure. The study also explicitly clarifies that the absence of animosity and presence of bias toward women in successful men is not a measurement of sexism or maltreatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:01 PM
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Unfortunately your joke is commonly believed unironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:37 PM
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It's not free money. Modern people don't understand that dowry traditions were female inheritance. You aren't being paid to marry her. She's being given resources to make sure her new family life goes smoothly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:37 PM
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I didn't suggest I wanted anyone to be diminished to just their bodies or even that anyone is. I pointed out that statements such as "that's not the only thing that matters," don't mean the reasonable standard on the one thing is lower than most men percieve it so much as that there are just a bunch more high standards about other things too. Women always break out this argument, but it's only demonstrating that women are pickier across a wider variety of traits compared to men. That isn't a gif…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:07 PM
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Subjectively it is. Women often view literal average as below average. As an example I'm average height, but women are quick to tell me that I'm short. The lense women apply to the "average to above average" evaluation is a window into their value judgements and subjective standards, not a rational or objective measurement. To take that to penis size, above average is often considered average, big is often considered above average, and average is often considered below average. Anything more or …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:01 PM
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Saying trait X isn't the only thing that matters isn't the slam dunk argument you think it is. Yes all of these traits are not the only traits that matter but if a man fails to measure up to just one then it's adequate to disqualify him. You're trying to soften the blow by confusing being shallow and picky about a multitude of factors with having a deep holistic view of men. Every hurdle is a potential disqualifying factor. Having to deal with many hurdles rather than few is not an improvement. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:56 PM
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If ugly men are successful in the sexual marketplace then that means the value of a man is higher than the woman thought ergo her standards may have to change. If ugly men succeed en masse then thay indicates a male leverage market which reduces a woman's shot at dating up. Basically when ugly men succeed average women are threatened with the prospect of possibly ending up with an ugly man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:37 PM
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While this has long been my approach, it isn't mutually exclusive with observing and pointing out hypocrisy. Noticing something and speaking about it does not indicate that someone cares about the judgement being leveled. For example if I brought something like this up and somebody accused me of caring about those judgements I wouldn't care if they though that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:28 PM
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Flirting is just banter. You absolutely banter with friends. You live with other people be it roommates or family memebers. Note how much the family background is predictive of future living situations. Dates are just outings where you interact with someone. Every skill you use there exists elsewhere. Sex is the only thing that constitutes something akin to a specific technical skill, but the issue at hand isn't sex but relationships as a whole. Your experience is making you conflate two differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:54 PM
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The school analogy simply doesn't work because nome of these skills require specialized technical information. If you go to school for something basic and in the same stretch of time I'm in the world doing it I'd wager I'm more "educated" than you. The point is that there is no monopoly on interpersonal social skills by the "institution" of romantic relationships. That means the whole analogy breaks down. Preselction selects for people with a high probability of possessing desirable traits who c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 06:14 PM
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The point is that relationship skills are not magically confined to relationship experience. Even banter happens in non romantic contexts. Most of these claims simply don't hold up to scrutiny, and the idea that relationships beget relationship skills is belied by the real world evidence. Lots of people go through relationships long and short, many and few without ever developing those skills. Most of these answers really seem to be reaching for straws to avoid confronting preselection bias. We …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 05:58 PM
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Is it? Everything you've listed is a routinely excercised interpersonal skills. In my experience these skills are not even loosely correlated with relationship experience itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:57 PM
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Yeah, everything listed here is a normal interpersonal skill. All of them are routinely applicable in life outside of romance. It really suggests to me that the stigma against people who haven't been in relationships is actually the result of an underlying value proposition which most people just don't want to acknowledge or confess to, so they avoid that with justifications which don't hold up to scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:55 PM
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I'd say it's a fundamental disconnect between men and women. Women lie to men and justify it as being in the man's best interest because they wish to be lied to. Men tell the truth to women and justify it as being in the woman's best interest because they wish to know the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:45 PM
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It's expected that men masturbate. It is not socially condoned that they do. It is expected that some people will do just about anything. It is not necessarily socially condoned just because some people do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 07:46 PM
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Find me a community with none of the above and I'll show you a community that is abnormal. Normalcy and acceptability are simply not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 07:04 PM
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Murder, rape, theft, necrophilia, pedophilia and zoophilia are also expected to the point that a community with none of the above would also be considered weird. Expectation is not the same as social approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 06:36 PM
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It's actively expected that people will rape, murder and get fucked up on harcore drugs. Hell, There's an industry that ships fentanyl across the border too, but that doesn't mean anybody is encouraging it. Let's not confuse the presence of a behavior or commercial enterprise with social acceptance of the aforementioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 05:40 PM
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Yes, but these scenaros are neither infinite nor inherently equal. Some proposals cannot work. Others can only work if another group of competitors don't come up with a better solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:47 PM
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Try reading my original comment again. I'm not in the business of explaining what was clearly stated multiple times simply for your amusement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:45 PM
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There will not be over a billion climate refugees and more importantly blaming heterosexuality is like blaming human existence itself. If you really believe that then you may as well support forced mass euthanasia. Congratulations you've discovered that human existence is the core feature of human suffering. Terminating that existence is obviously a solution to this obvious problem, but it's not one worth entertaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:44 PM
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The topic of the debate is the sustainability of heterosexuality. That climate change will change the world we live in is not relevant. Whether it's an apocalypse or not is. You’re using the term “evolutionary fitness” to apply it to a social movement. Not consistent to its actual meaning in biology. I take it you have never heard of Dawkins memetics and the substantial body of research in evolutionary biology on the topic. I also see that you are making an arbitrary distinction between the soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:41 PM
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I didn't say they had no freedom. I said they didn't have freedom from natural selective pressures which modern society has unchained them from. Read more carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:36 PM
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So you were discussing a situation which is not the case and never will be. Congratulations, I believe the debate is over now, and I appreciate you conceding the point. This does not reflect the quality parts of the actual climate science so much as a pop culture notion about the topic. There will be over a billion climate change refugees in the decades to come. Heterosexuality is partially the reason for this. This is incorrect, delusional and self defeating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:34 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:27 PM
2

You have a wild imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:25 PM
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You would be wrong in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:24 PM
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Absence of adequate numbers of people. Reproductive rates among homosexuals are far too low and there aren't enough of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:21 PM
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None of those things are unnatural. Natural is, in this context, defined as evolutionarily fit. Seeing as we continue to exist and have for hundreds of thousands of years with every single thing you listed with the possible exception of organized society assuming you mean civilization then yes it's natural. Were we ever to stray too far from natural for too long we would cease to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:20 PM
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With this dumb idea maybe you too can write a dumb book that will make you a lot of money when it becomes an equally stupid television show.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:17 PM
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There aren't enough gay people and lesbians do not reproduce at sustainable rates. There is neither the capability nor desirability for such a system to work. Climate change is not considered to be an impediment to the continuation of civilization. The only people peddling that nonesense are misrepresenting even the worst case predictions. Climate change is not the apocalypse and scientists have not produced data or analysis suggesting that it is. Astrophysicist suggest that a planet has a finit…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:15 PM
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You cannot sustain a civilzation level population using sperm donors and lesbians. It doesn't conflict with anti-feminism because feminism is fundamentally unnatural.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 09:52 PM
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First of all, by definition heterosexuality is the only sustainable system. No new people, no future system. Secondly, if you want to appeal to our orignal status in nature then women didn't have the freedom from natural pressures that are enjoyed in modern civilization. They were extremely dependent on a social grouping whose survival was dependent on the men, ergo the men ruled and the women needed to ingratiate themselves in order to maintain the necessary social capital for the survival of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 09:26 PM
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Oh you're right. This post is by one of our resident dumbasses who spams stupid questions for which she possesses preconceived answers. I totally didn't read who posted it before responding to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:02 PM
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That's nice, but irrelevant to whether shyness factors into lesser attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:00 PM
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I can save him the trip. Misogyny and patriarchy are the reasons. If institutions weren't so misogynistically patriarchally sexist they would be studying women and not men. We can concern ourselves with men when everything is fixed for women. Also the work of fixing things for women never ends. Something, something when hell freezes over.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:55 PM
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If its preventing them from getting laid then for our purposes it is something wrong with them. Your confusing your own vision of worth with the mundanity of attraction. They are completely unrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:50 PM
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You've made the same mistake I pointed to men making by suggesting that struggling men may have nothing wrong with them. They do have something wrong with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:45 PM
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Women are attracted to extroversion. If a man is a virgin because he is shy then his virginity suggests a degree of introversion which is perceived as unattractive. I see two major issues for how each sex views sexlessness in men. Women seem to conflate attractiveness with virtue and men seem to not realize that virtue isn't how women measure worth. Your example follows from there. Women will decide the shy man is deplorably defective when reality is they find him mundanely unattractive, and men…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:32 PM
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Yes the strange and likely fallacious assumption of congruity between moral virtue and sexual success most certainly exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:20 PM
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That's far from the only or even most common driver of pump and dumps and as such there is no reason women should overly focus on that particular issue when seeking to avoid that behavior. If women really wanted to avoid pump and dumps then they wouldn't have sex freely outside of relationships with ironclad commitments. If you suggest that then they complain about being horny so it's a pointless conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:17 PM
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It's both. People create a false dichotomy between society and biology. You can't be social to the degree a human is without being biologically designed for it. Clams don't have complex and devloped society because of their biology. Humans do have that because of their biology. The idea that we can separate the two is a false dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:13 PM
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There are way fewer of y'all. In a discussion that necessarily involves generalities your unique perspective is liable to be dismissed not because you're being untruthful but because your truth doesn't really contravene the general rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:01 PM
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When discussing social perceptions and their impact on behavior it doesn't really matter whether or not the analogy is true only that many people believe it to be sufficiently true as to act on it. If many women believe an inexperienced man is what he is as product of negative selection ergo a low quality product then they will behave accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:54 PM
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I think the more important question is what if the monkey is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:42 PM
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Agreed. Weight is not the primary problem for men. It probably matters more for women, but considering the plethora of options it's still not a make or break issue. At best this issue is ancillary.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 03:30 PM
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You sound like a good mother. I wish mine had cared enough to try and keep up with the world instead of raising me to live in the seventies and eighties.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:14 PM
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as long as at least one parent is dependable and neither is an actual survival threat (remember, you interpret these things in an purely emotional way when you are preverbal), things should turn out well (or so it goes). Actually evidence suggests that one decent parent does not compensate for a bad one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:11 PM
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Draft dodging is a huge issue precisely for the all important issue of strategy. Ukraine needs more warm bodies which it cannot acquire and which its citizenry will not provide. Any factor which can lose you a war is a huge issue. Proportions are irrelevant, total numbers of troops are relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:24 PM
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That's incorrect. Conscription age in Ukraine doesn't even go down that low. Currently it's at 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:10 PM
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My only point was to correct the notion that Ukraine or even Ukrainian men writ large have stepped up to the plate or are a model for a western society doing such (nevermind that calling them western is a stretch).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 03:09 PM
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The men are stepping up Not enough of them. Draft dodging is a major problem and increasing conscription to cover the ideal demographic of young men is a complete poltical nonstarter. They suffer from the classic western delusion we have fed them. Wars can be fought but the individual won't be the one who has to fight them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 03:02 PM
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They aren't really a good model of that. Draft dodging is a huge issue in Ukraine and the military is suffering a manpower shortage. Anybody who can flee the country has done so including young men of fighting age, and furthermore increased conscription is so unpopular that it's politically unviable. If the Ukrainian government successfully passed new conscription orders to take in the ideal demographic of young men (who are currently exempted under a certain age) then the ruling coalition would…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 03:00 PM
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Yeah, it's some of the dumbest advice I've ever heard. The costs so far outweigh any potential benefits that it's not even worth serious consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:05 PM
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This sub is about heterosexual sex and romance not trans gender ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:45 PM
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Wrong sub. This is completely off topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 04:08 AM
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Oh I'm hardly engaged in an ass pull. Countless resources including those you've listed above support my broader point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:33 PM
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The cultivation of land is a male role throughout recorded history. Agriculture is not the same as planting a seed. It's endless toil and selective breeding, as well as husbandry. Those are predominately male labors. At any rate you've been moving the goal posts by suggesting that women's existence alongside men gives them credit for men's labors while illegitimating men's overwhelming contributions. You're obviously poorly educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:00 PM
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Agriculture was almost certainly not created by women lmao. You're historically and anthropolgically illiterate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:55 PM
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Open a history book and then get back to me. Women had basically no relationship to the development of legal codes, enforcement of law, building of structures, acquisition of raw resources, defense of the state, or development of financial systems. That's all providing and protecting. You said there was no evidence when there is a mountain of it in about 5000 years of recorded history.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:51 PM
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Actually more or less they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:47 PM
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You live in a society with laws, law enforcement, food, shelter and clothing. The entire history of civilzation is evidence. Men did that. You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:43 PM
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even successful therapists on youtube published videos nicely explaining why it is that way Do you have any links to these videos or search queries? I'd be curious to hear some practitioners discuss there experiences with this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:02 PM
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If you want to follow delusional gender theorists that's your business, but if you want to spread lies about history that's not an opinion, but a distortion of fact. Obviously anyone with a vested interest in good history will take offense to that. Nobody has been erased from history. Important women are studied and remembered. There simply aren't anywhere near as many as there are men. Your argument is an age old conspiracy using classic conspiracy logic. You've essentially argued that the larg…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:43 PM
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If I list the men I know from most successful with women to least successful with women and then from most misogynistic to least misogynistic I end up with almost the exact same list.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:10 PM
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I'm not even going to address the radfem bullshit here, but leave the woowoo history conspiracies out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:07 PM
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Don't you ever get tired of whining on this sub? Didn't you just do one of these posts in the last couple of days covering the exact same topic? Are you incapable of calming down or do you just have nothing better to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:30 PM
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Aristocracy still has massive internal class differences. Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his aristocratic wife Sophie were considered too far apart in terms of class for him to be seen in any major public appearance or ceremony with her. Their romance is a literal Cinderella story. You could also look at low level aristocracy in the middle ages. It wasn't exactly uncommon for a free peasant or a town merchant/craftsmen to be wealthier and more important than someone from the lower rungs of the lan…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:37 PM
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Yes, I'm sure you're trying to say that, but you didn't and instead made a ridiculous probabilistic assumption about individuals rather than just leading with the group generalization you wanted to advance. You call it semantics, I call it getting you to say what you mean with clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:50 PM
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If everything is non zero then that evaluation tells us literally next to nothing about probability. There's also a non zero chance that at some point we genetically engineer a unicorn that can poop rainbows If your point is quite likely I'd disagree. You have absolutely no way of knowing anything about that dude or this woman which is probably why you offered up non zero in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:30 PM
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Dude, there's a non zero chance of almost anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:21 PM
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Bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:13 AM
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Yeah I cannot help but notice that almost every woman who says it doesn't matter goes on to describe their partner as a man with those traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:04 AM
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Inductive processes are also covered by logic so for our purposes it is a trivial distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:20 PM
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This is irrelevant to the argument. It does not refute any example given by OP as he has made logical deductions from evidence produced by logical deductions and observations. You're engaged in an informal fallacy. As a further point though all conclusions of any study or paper are logical arguments whether good or bad. The data is not logic, but conclusions cannot be drawn from data in the absence of a deductive process which is what logic is. Logic may not become invalid overtime, but it can b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:57 PM
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Logic plays a central role in all mathematics and in the process of empirical study. If those pieces of evidence are wrong it would be because the underlying logic is poor or if the assumed conclusion the studies are being used to support is in fact a poor deduction from the content of the studies. In support of the OP's point I frequently observe that logical arguments advanced by men with underlying evidence are normally dismissed by women without any counterevidence or critical examination th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:44 PM
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Well in that case maybe you don't understand straight men well enough to be offering uninformed opinions about their motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:57 PM
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Sounds like tbere's a bit of projection going on here so maybe just speak for yourself bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:15 PM
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It's a rhetorical trap question. Almost every man will answer A on little evidence when it comes to children, but many would answer B on little evidence when it comes to a scenario that involves an adult woman rather than a child. Unfortunately the hypothetical is too vague and sexual relations between adults are vastly different from child predation, but that is undoubtedly the angle OP is going for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:45 PM
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This question is a rhetorical trap first and foremost. You're obviously trying to use an analogy as a commentary on whether we believe rape accusations or not and then suggest that men are hypocritical for picking choice A when it comes to our children and then choice B when it's applied to a pair of adults.There are two reasons this analogy doesn't work. First of all children are different than women, hence the concept of statutory rape. If anything sexual happened to a child it wasn't because …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:43 PM
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You need to take a chill pill and get a life. You spend way too much time on this subreddit making unhinged posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 04:01 PM
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Absolute biological essentialism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:01 PM
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OP's post argues that men refuse to comply with modern standards. It seems that pointing out that modern standards aren't worth complying to is rather relevant to the debate especially considering that's the overwhelming view of the men OP is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:09 PM
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Modern American women are not that enjoyable. Women don't have to be reduced to pussy and it's absurd to suggest I'm the one doing that, but if they have unappealing personality traits and behaviors then pussy is the floor. If they sit on the floor then I'm uninterested. Some guys desperately need the floor. Other guys are far enough up the hierarchy already that the effort for above par women isn't that much. I'm neither desperate enough to pursue the floor nor am I high enough up to realistica…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 03:03 PM
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Yeah, sorry but the competition for men and women isn't even remotely the same. I have to do way more work than my equivalent woman does in order to be deemed worthy of less than she would. At any rate the 'who has it harder' dick measuring contest is a fruitless conversation so I'll point out the most important part you missed. I'm perfectly okay with myself as is. I'm not looking for a relationship. I'd have to be a certain level of discontent or desperate and have a certain probability of suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:57 PM
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I'm okay with my shape. I'm okay with my friends. I'm okay with my social media or more accurately absence thereof. I don't care about social media, never did never will. I'm happy with who I know and what my social network looks like. The part missed is that I'm fine with my life. If a woman doesn't add to that, and if attracting women costs me that enjoyment then what I already have is fine or even preferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:50 PM
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Certainly some number that is significant enough to be felt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:46 PM
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At some point enough men experience the same things that you cannot just pretend they're all the fantasies of a permanent net dweller who dreamed them up via his absence of a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:49 PM
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Honestly, most of the things which make men dislike women are things they've seen or heard from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 08:03 PM
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It's not worth the effort, time or money. I have to max myself out before I get any attention, so that means years in the wilderness. The reward for that is substandard. Then the odds that the reward walks away on a whim are high, and they get to leave with my money and potentially make any children difficult for me to access. In the meantime they aren't making themselves appealing to me. I'm not enough of a chump who needs pussy so bad that I'll jump through hoops to fuck women I don't even rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 06:34 PM
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I don't personally engage in that behavior, but I know guys who do. I think it's really just about achieving a goal via the path of least resistance. It's not really different than women lying about their sexual past. One person wants something from another and either knows or fears that some particular disclosure will prevent them from receiving that something.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:17 PM
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Many men feel that way yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:07 PM
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Perhaps and perhaps not. I did preface my comment with the qualifier, "based on this response."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:13 PM
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Prioritizing your child's needs is entirely different from making them the center of the universe. Your children will be special to no one and then released into an uncaring society. It's your job to provide the antidote to that. It sounds like you won't. My mom was horribly unequipped to be a parent. I'm by far the most successful child as someone living an independent and fully employed albeit empty and mediocre life. The rest did not do well for themselves. By all means maintain your current …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:56 PM
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If the primary concern you hold as a parent is how your child affects others then your primary concern as a parent isn't your child, it's the others. Those should be secondary or tertiary concerns after the primary needs of your son. Instead you'll be teaching him that a good man's needs are unimportant, that he comes last after literal strangers. The hierarchy of value you've described carries that message implicitly. I was raised the way you're describing. My mother cared more for her moral se…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 03:03 PM
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Based on this response I suspect you're not a very good parent. A parent should look after the needs and concerns of their child not use their child as a vehicle to look after unrelated strangers. Nothing says a mother doesn't give a fuck about her son more than her taking greater interest in the well being of random women she'll never meet than she does in her own child.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:47 PM
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Yes but those systems weed themselves out by their own nature. Darwinsim rules the day. Broadly monogmous socities in the west and the East have been the most successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 09:53 PM
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Western society is and has been strictly monogomous for over a thousand years. Notice who is in charge of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:36 PM
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Men are generally more helpful to other men than women are. You just don't see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:12 PM
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All emotions are punished (and anger severely so). Anger is just the unstoppable emotion you get when other avenues are closed off. Women often and mistakenly conflate the frequency of expression with the level of acceptance that men's emotions recieve when the reality is that the frequency of expression I correlated not with external acceptance but rather internal control and inversely so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:10 PM
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There are no societies which trend toward widespread polygyny. It's not functionally possible because of the expense. Societies that allow it only see it at 5he pinnacle of the social hierarchy and tend to be outcompeted by societies which don't allow it. Notably those societies are more strictly patriarchal than the ones which allow for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:54 PM
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Yeah, if you live in the real world where there is always a next, a bigger goal, but the purpose of this hypothetical is just to gage womens' perception of sex appeal in men. Understand that for the purpose of striking up a relationship versus just fucking around sex appeal is a baseline necessity. A man could wield it differently if he wished for one or the other, but at the end of the day sex appeal is sex appeal. It's not different for a relationship or a casual hookup. This thought experimen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 04:28 AM
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Perhaps and perhaps not. It may also mean bottom of the barrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:38 AM
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I view lowest common denominator as below average. Maybe that's not what she meant but absent further clarification that's what I made of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:23 AM
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I'm not really arguing that there aren't valid strategies where you rack up points with less attractive women, but you probably would lose the competition to a more innovative strategy which opens the door to approaching all kinds of women. Collecting quarters is better than collecting pennies even if it isn't collecting hundred dollar bills. Your idea would also make for an interesting thought experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 11:14 PM
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The goal is to have sex appeal. The hypothetical is a test of that. The desired end result of that sex appeal is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:07 PM
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It doesn't matter what the end is. Based on the proposed scenario you wouldn't win the most points by only going for lowest common denominator women because they presumably would be less attractive. The only real point of the hypothetical is to see what women think men should do to raise their sex appeal. That being said If you're concerned about what happens afterwards it's probably worth understanding that there is no downside to heightened sex appeal when it comes to serious relationships or …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:53 PM
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I think it's a thought experiment to reveal what sort of things women would have men invest in to maximize those men's sex appeal to women. It's one of those things where you approach the hypothetical literally, but don't take the hypothetical literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:41 PM
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Yes because the preponderance of human reproduction through the ages isn't a matter of anthropology but rather a covert attempt to get laid. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:02 PM
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If your kids are worse off than kids raised on less than dollar a day then that's a you problem not wealth problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:47 PM
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Society very much needs people. Every era of technological development in any field is accompanied by a fantasy of the end of workers. It never comes true. People have raised well adjusted children successfully for several hundred thousand years most of which was done in conditons you and I consider to be abject poverty. Kids today live in comparatively luxurious wealth but are more fucked up than ever. People who think economics is the primary factor in effective child rearing and that modern c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:22 PM
0

Historically most people were working class, most working class people were relatively poor and most of the population was produced by most of the already existing population.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:05 PM
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That idea is a bit of a meme. Like any kind of work it depends on your level of competence and professional drive. I work in a trade and know other people who do as well. There's considerable variance in earning, hours worked, and financial skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:59 PM
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No because society needs people to be worker bees and most of those people were historically produced by the poor and working class. The reproductive rates of the wealthy have always been comparatively low throughout history. The wealthy today aren't reproducing more to compensate that gap even as they become the top reproducing demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:55 PM
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So if I google medieval queens welding the powers of a head of state and find something historical misogyny is bullshit? Checkmate feminists. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:46 PM
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If men are barred from monetary subsidies that women recieve for the same pursuit then they aren't barred based on money but rather sex. This is explicitly in the requirements. You clearly have swallowed the narrative you repeat without an ounce of critical thought. This example is only the tip of the iceberg. I'm not even holding you to account for being clueless about, for example, the Boko Haram incident and it's broader Nigerian context. Stop spreading propaganda if you won't bother to analy…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:13 PM
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You aren't offending me. You're just repeating an inaccurate analysis of society derived of extremely low quality far left academia. Whether you know any of that or not is irrelevant, but I'm tired of writing essays debunking this stuff especially when you repeat things which you would obviously know to be false if you did even a tiny bit of critical thinking. As just a tiny example you said misandry has never had governmental backing. This is blatantly untrue in western countries where governme…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 02:46 PM
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Oh please.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 02:40 PM
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It depends on what you think misandry is. If it's cartoonishly vocal man hating and open hostility no, but then again women aren't known for their straight forward or aggressive nature by and large, and life isn't a bad lifetime movie where people yell slurs at randos on the street. My two common observations are that young women have strong sex based double standards, and that they are over invested in feminist paradigms which prop up a victim mentality at the expense of men where no obvious vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 02:34 PM
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Yes. The original question was answered as the opposite of value (though the original question was about men's perception not objective truth). It's not that fucking around is valued so much as an inability to do so is devalued. This creates a perceptual bias whereby not being devalued is seen as valuable by the person avoiding the devaluing. The objective practical benefits of avoiding social devaluation are obvious. From there someone chimed in that attractiveness is valued not body count and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:36 PM
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Who ever said anything about healthy or unhealthy? A question was asked about what is and why it is. That question was answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:11 PM
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It's a self perception. A man can proxy his own self conception of attractiveness on the basis of body count. Women will also use the same proxy to a degree as reflected by preselction and mate copying behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 01:21 PM
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Perception of value by proxy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 03:25 AM
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It's less that men achieve some recognition of value for sleeping with many women than it is that men who fail to sleep with women are proactively devalued. By contrast successful promiscuity falls on the opposite end of that spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 07:54 PM
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There's a distinction between counter culture and mainstream culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 03:21 PM
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Malignant sexism is a form of arbitrary prejudice. Nothing about preventive safety in these circumstances is arbitrary or disproportionate. To think that men owe women career opportunities more than they owe themselves safety is the peak of entitlement. If you think that a refusal to burn oneself to keep you warm is sexist then you're delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:24 PM
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I'd put my money on stupidity over LARPing. Dumb people are more common than internet imposters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:48 PM
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Maybe we should do a PPD poll. We can see who thinks she is a malignant troll and who thinks she's a few cards short of a deck.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 03:46 PM
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I give people the benefit of the doubt. Assign not to malice what can be explained by stupidity and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 03:42 PM
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I'm beginning to think you're a shitposter or troll of some kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:43 PM
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Considering how broad social proof is, yes it's the most important factor. Social proof is everything from whether other women like me to how much money I make, my status in the relevant social hierarchies, to the level of respect I command from the people around me. That list is endless and most men aren't that attractive looking yet many of them still get laid. The panopoly of social proof is discernably the most important.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 07:06 PM
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You've described two factors which improve desirability. Social proof on one hand and physical attraction on the other. So, yes, your argument does boil down to observing that there are more factors than social proof of desirability to the opposite sex. It's rather trite to say that men are more likely to do well when already physically attractive as this will independently help generate social proof. No shit Sherlock. Next you'll be telling us money doesn't accumulate more money because someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 06:53 PM
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It's not topical. It is irrelevant. Mate copying is not established on the basis of male observations. Whine about men misinterpreting kindness as sexual interest all you want, but it has nothing to do with the reality of mate copying. Your fun little theory is just an unevidenced rationalization based on perceptions in your head. Mate copying is not exclusively studied in non human animals. There is a substantial body of literature on mate copying in human females. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.g…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 06:31 PM
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The scientific literature on the topic of preselction and mate copying is firmly established. What men percieve has no relationship to what women want. You are conflating two entirely separate phenomenon in order to assign all cause to the man. Men over interpret women's signals. Women desire men who are already desired by other women. These have been observed and established entirely independent of one another. No scientist worth their salt concluded that women engage in mate copying by asking …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:47 PM
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Your observation is trite. It boils down to saying that there is more than one factor in attraction. News flash, there is more than one factor in almost everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:24 PM
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You're entirely off topic. Men over interpreting signals of sexual and romantic interest has entirely nothing to do with the well established mating proclivities of women unless we make some seriously foolish assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:22 PM
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If your argument is basically that all women aren't just fucking dudes exclusively because they already have partners then congratulations you are right. What's your next groundbreaking observation? The sky isn't always blue? Not all fish have fins? Birds fly to escape predators, not just to hunt? We await your next post with bated breath Captain Obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:03 PM
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So that's why girls keep trying to fuck me when I'm taken? Presumably based on your statement I can conclude that women feel obligated to fuck men who think they're being flirted with. Alternatively you don't know what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:54 PM
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Preselection or mate copying is a well established phenomenon in the field of biology. You may call it stupid, but people a lot smarter and better informed than you call it science. Do with that what you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:52 PM
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I can tell which posts are yours just by reading the title.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:53 PM
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Agreed, but it's definitely an issue when even at the highest levels of academic credentials there are people who so badly misunderstanding what empathy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:02 PM
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Imagine there is a nice painting you want at an auction and I outbid you and buy it. Now at a later point the painting comes into your possession, but only after I've taken a big stinky shit on it, smeared it around and torn it up. Would you be sitting there thinking to yourself that you're so happy to have this painting at last, even more so than if you got it in mint conditon, or would you be thinking about how much better it would have been if you got it during the auction when it was still i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 07:07 PM
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Particularly considering (a) and (b) are far from guarantees.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 06:54 PM
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By definition nice guys finish last. Basically, now that she's 25 she is ready to settle down By your own accounting of her statement she saved the nice guy for last. Women want to be a man's last. Men want to be a woman's first. To assume the man is winning from your perspective on sex and dating is to ignore the fact that he's a man not a woman. Why would your perspective even matter here? It's as ridiculous as arguing that someone else should like blue cheese because you like blue cheese when…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 06:49 PM
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Hithens razor is a fallacy on its face. Without even going into the issue of epistemology it's self defeating as the razor has been advanced without evidence. There's a reason its not discussed or even acknowledged by philosophers, among whom Christpher Hitchens does not number.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:44 PM
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All truth claims, both negative and postive, require evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:56 PM
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Thank Jesus. How does OP still not understand this after so many malformed posts of this kind where multiple users explain this shit to her? It boggles my mind
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 04:13 AM
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Also it should say ask. I dropped an important word. Whoopsie 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:38 AM
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Why do guys get choices where both are appealing? Seems women get more “would you rather date dog shit or date pig shit”. Mem should say men. Typo. Men here constantly say that women get to experience sex and love even if bifurcated and women always complain that the bifurcation is unfair and both choices on their own are shit. Shockingly men say the same when offered the same choices, but you believe those choices are adequate for us even if they are unacceptable for yourself. I hope that adequ…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:36 AM
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Sounds desperate to me. Desperation is born of practical necessity. At any rate you've conveniently dodged my point which answered your question about the choices. Men also ask the same question you do all the time and yet you're surprised to get the response women so often give.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:31 AM
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I answered your question. I also criticized the premise and offered you some advice on how to refine your questions. That being said, if teenagers' games are your goal you're doing a fantastic job of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:26 AM
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You'd be hard pressed to show me an enthusiastic rather than calculated or pragmatic choice. Nobody wipes their ass because they're enthusiastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:24 AM
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I note it's interesting you only wish to engage with simple answers, and not those which involved some real thought. Your version of would you rather is quite frankly boring. That being said I gave you the boring version answer since you've previously gotten upset at me for merely challenging your premise. I figured this time I'd do you the courtesy of both. Maybe I come across as condescending to you but my critique of your hypotheticals is supposed to be constructive criticism since the fundam…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:22 AM
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Fun question for you. Would you rather ask questions that genuinely peer into the male psyche, or would you rather play stupid games for teenagers? Remember, they're mutually exclusive and in the case of the questions you ask, realistically so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:11 AM
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Because people try to treat hypotheticals in a realistic fashion and your hypothetical breaks the willing suspension of disbelief that these thought experiments demand by being wildly unbelievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:08 AM
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To a man neither of these are appealing. When women bifurcate what they offer us we bifurcate what we offer in return. Your options are shit because you get what you pay for (and vice versa). The idea that either of these options are desirable on their own merely reinforces the male notion that women expect everything for whatever garbage they choose to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:05 AM
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Understandably this is a thought experiment. At the same time it's very difficult to engage in because it's so unrealistically bifurcated. As many have pointed out, option one very likely means option two is available or even already present within the same relationship. Option two may have the possibility of building to option one, but has no concomitant probabilistic guarantee. In this absurd hypothetical my hypothetical answer would be number two. One is an upper hierarchy need. Two is a lowe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:00 AM
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Obviously. Like you said, realistically men would just be women and women would be men and everything would stay the same. Like I said, it's a thought experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:04 PM
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We're already subjected to conscription which is definitionally being told what to do with your body under threat of government reprisal. That hasn't changed and isn't going to change in the near future. The physical consequences of those expectations far outstrip pregnancy. Men may whine and complain but the state will always protect that which is necessary for society when it comes from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:26 PM
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Considering that a pro-life position stems from traditionalist expectations that men are still held accountable to and women are not, yes it's quite likely. There is ample evidence that judicial outcomes are substantially mediated by sympathy for the relevant parties which women recieve at much higher rates than men. For women choice for themselves is culturally normative. For men it's duty and obligation to others and society. It is certainly more likely that abortion would be illegal in this t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:14 PM
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It would be struck down as illegal on the basis that the baby is a separate person. Whether men would vote for it en masse is a murky assumption but it wouldn't be relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:08 PM
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While this is the real answer the thought experiment proposed by OP is interesting if we suspend disbelief in the workings of biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:05 PM
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Women love players. Women hate being played.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:59 PM
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Yeah, being self centered is a feature of psychopathy and of Tony Soprano and yet pathology exists on a spectrum where few people are as fucked as Tony Soprano. Extreme examples are often used in classroom settings to allow for an obvious illustration of a concept. Nevertheless well educated and competent professionals understand real life nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 06:05 PM
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If you aren't aware of these things then yes I could fool you, but then again tricking the ignorant isn’t much of a feat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:41 PM
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Yes I'm well aware of the literature on narcissism and depression. Unfortunately those stats are massaged. The actual literature is loaded with the depressing reality that "responds well" actually means responds marginally. It also fails to point out the substantial subset for whom treatment makes things worse. It's no coincidence that kids raised in therapy culture have more mental health issues. At any rate responding marginally is also the most common response for more serious pathologies. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:46 PM
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The therapy may have been realistic but Tony Soprano as a character is just one of many media depictions of psychopathy which default to the most extreme representation. If you've never been around or worked with people who actually suffer from real pathologies then you wouldn't know that Tony Soprano is the rarest of ultra extreme cases. More simply put don't get your ideas about mental illnesses from TV characters. The therapy process in the show may be accurate but Tony isn't a common person …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:21 PM
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Not substantially no. The sample pool is simply much larger. If you take the deep dive into depression treatment you'll find it's mostly treatment resistant like more pathological traits. My ultimate point is this. There are two ways to frame this. Either depression and narcissism are fairly equivalently treatable or they are fairly equivalently untreatable. Whichever framing you choose it undermines the argument that your miserable son can be fixed where your asshole son can't. Either they both…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:17 PM
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Try watching actual depressed people go through treatment in therapy. Neither group has a particularly high success rate. Once could put it two ways. Both groups are relatively equally treatable. Both groups are relatively equally untreatable. Either way it's untenable to argue that one is more desirable than the other based on the ability or inability to treat those conditons because both hypothetical characters have conditons which are equally prone to treatment for better or worse. Edit: Also…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 03:08 PM
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I don't follow your question. What am I doing about what, to what for what etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:42 PM
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This doesn't really have much to do with anything I said. At any rate if all you can say is that you throw up your hands and give in to nature then your protestations of sympathy carry no moral weight and you are an entity with no moral agency as it pertains to these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:38 PM
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OP, your hypothetical has too many guarantees to be a useful gauge of the answers you've been given. It strips your hypothetical of nuance as well as prevents you from discerning the common deciding feature for respondents.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:30 PM
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The issue isn't the hard facts on the ground so much as that women are all saying they'd rather their male offspring be sacrificed on their altar of the morally ideal man than have those children experience a life worth living. If you have a choice (as in this hypothetical) between your child being a perennial homeless person and a person with a house and you justify making them homeless on the basis that other people deal with it too that's just an excuse to justify choosing your self aggrandiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:15 PM
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Precisely. Adam's shitty life may actually make him a horrible twisted person deep down, it just won't matter because he's psychologically impotent. People confuse harmlessness with goodness far too often.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:04 PM
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Yeah for real. The asshole's psychological issues are every bit as treatable. Depression is not magically less chronic than sociopathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:55 PM
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Neither examples' problems are wholly fixable. Adam will never look that good or be able to functionally heal his psychological wounds, only cope. Sociopaths and narcissism are about as treatable. Such people can cope with them well enough to become reasonable members of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:52 PM
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The issue is that your stance seems to outline your position on risk. Adam can never be a good and desirable man for the same reason he can never be a bad and undesirable man. He's incapable. Caleb could be either, but the fear of him being horrible seems to be motivated by high levels of risk aversion which for whatever reason lead to women choosing to raise sons who are morally and sexually neutered in order that their consequent harmlessness is a guarantee and not a choice. In my extensive ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:47 PM
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If Adam is incapable of acting poorly then that is a function of incapability in general. Adam is not capable of impacting the world positively nor is he moral, just incompetent and useless. If Caleb is capable of being a monster he is also capable of being an angel becasue that is a general function of his capability. From what I can tell you, women here fear the risk of a monster so much y'all would throw the whole person's life in the trash rather than give them the risky opportunity to be a …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:37 PM
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The odds of this guy earning enough is overwhelmingly small. It's like kicking your kid out at eighteen on the premise that they'll be okay cause they might win the lottery. That's a self aggrandizing excuse not a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:33 PM
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Adam doesn't have morals in this situation. If you aren't capable of doing bad things then you aren't choosing to be morally upstanding when you don't do those things. Adam isn't moral; he's just pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:31 PM
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Neither is a good choice, but at least one choice gives those people a serious shot at a decent life. In the other there is no life. Sacrificing your child's future well being at the altar of your own idealized man is not a particularly upstanding thing to do. A more honest version of this hypothetical would ask you if you'd try to raise an Adam knowing this will cost him his future happiness or if you would risk the possibility of your child ending up a Caleb in order to leave the door for sati…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 12:36 PM
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Women will say they want Adam as a son, but if their loins chose Caleb as a partner then they ultimately chose little Caleb as a son.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 12:20 PM
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Dahmer was not satisfied with his life. He was a self loathing homosexual who was in some way disgusted by his proclivities and behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 12:15 PM
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For once your premise isn't mostly inane, and as such I more or less agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:19 PM
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I'm not saying you're lying, but you'll have to forgive me for finding that hard to believe 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:17 AM
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Are you a woman or is this some sort of cosplay?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:00 AM
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Maybe results are relevant then. Seeing as conservatives are generally happier and healthier than progressives maybe it stands to reason that their approach is better at yielding the desired goal. As a side not, no, I don't the large majority of reddit is concerned with other people. Maybe the large majority of average joes sure, but not the people of reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:19 AM
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Investments always come with risks. The two aren't cleanly separable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:21 PM
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Women are not men. And men aren't women. If you want to have a solipsistic relationship become a lesbian because if you cannot consider the feelings of the opposite sex you aren't cut out for heterosexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:19 PM
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Maybe I should clarify. "Those grievances" in my original comment referred to grievances about the horrible things that were said. Go reread it and see if you get my point now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:03 PM
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No. You are one of the the worst users when it come to aggressively misreading. I don't give a shit about the horrible things women say about men. I do notice that women seem to care about the reverse more often and to a greater degree, and that's because you are conditioned by society to expect that your concerns are valid and will be heard to some degree or another. Men don't and won't experience that so instead they develop a thick skin and eventually find themselves wondering why women get s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:01 PM
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If women were as simple as cats I'd be drowning in pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:56 PM
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Does it not bother you even a little when shitty women online say horrible things about average men like “men are trash” or “the bar is on the floor” or “kill all men” or “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” or whatever? As a woman you are used to being able to air those grievances and even have them taken seriously to some degree without being condemned from every corner of society. As a man the only places these grievance are treated seriously are so socially condmened they taint …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:16 PM
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Online gender wars might not be the place for you if needlessly cruel bullying upsets you so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:05 PM
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You understand data sets have "noise" in them yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:42 PM
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I never said she would have loved what it became. I also never said incel culture created a normal or even healthy support group. Just that it is one. You've inferred all of that from a neutral statement of fact. Your complaint about my comment is the only disingenuous thing going on here as you've so eagerly shoved words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 03:05 PM
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Look at even recent history. There used to be tons of clubs that were male exclusive. Almost all of these are now co-ed. For God's sake the fucking Boy Scouts is co-ed now in spite of the fact that girls have their own sex exclusive organization in kind. These changes aren't organic. Men didn't suddenly one day decide they didn't want these spaces anymore and invite women in. Women's groups protested on feminist lines that "boy's clubs" were the root of all misogyny and oppression. They were "un…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:53 PM
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invisible nobodies Considering your recognition of this it should come as no surprise to you that a woman genuinely would not know what being a man is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:37 PM
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While this may be true you underestimate the length a society goes to in order to prevent men from having social networks through which they might access some of these things without having to go through an intimate romantic relationship. Furthermore this is done in order to increase women's social capital with men. Look at descriptions of pre Christian societies in the Middle East and Mediterranean. In their time men had strongly incentivized male-male bonds. A consequence of this is that women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:23 PM
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Nobody cared so much that you have widely accepted mass socio-poltical movements to deal with those issues. How dastardly. Poor women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:15 PM
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If you know about the history of the incel movement it was literally founded to be a support group. Go read about it and the woman who coined the term and created the movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:00 PM
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Unfortunately this is a lost notion. Our society fears "boy's clubs." In the eyes of a great many feminists allowing men to congregate together in the absence of women prevents the women from exerting control over those men's words, thoughts, and behaviors leading to "toxic masculinity." The notion of boy's anything is generally seen with the greatest degree of suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:15 PM
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Nice comeback 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:24 PM
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on the contrary, sexually desirable people have less reasons to lie because people will like them anyway This doesn't even remotely track. People don't calculate their percieved sexual desirability when they lie. People decide to lie based on how much more or less likeable the specific answer may make them appear. Both an attractive and unattractive person seem less likeable when they confess to unwanted sexual advances, touching, or intercourse. Both have motive to lie regardless of one startin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:12 PM
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So your solution for male victims of sexual assault is to focus social concern and resources on the opposite group who's victimization already recieves the vast majority of social concern and resources? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:49 PM
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They aren't. Generally the effects of social desirabiltiy bias are observed to skew toward women which is to say they are more likely to under report bad behavior or over report good behavior. It's a rather consistent finding so if anything social desirability would indicate that the discrepancy is even more skewed toward female perpetrators than the self report data shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:39 PM
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I assume the commenter is saying that the beta reads this as a green flag because she must be so into him for being wonderful, and then he plays white knight. Presumably an alpha either doesn't care or outright recognizes this as a serious red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:58 PM
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Than why such concern with this topic if it isn't even really on your radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:32 PM
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Actually she can. Variety is more than just different looking bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:27 PM
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I think this complaint cuts both ways. At any rate a lot of the men here are also trying to tell her she isn't doomed to be cheated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:26 PM
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I kind of agree and disagree with you. Most of what Redpill says about human nature is accurate however the conclusions and behaviors that are commonly peddled by people identifying with redpill aren't. For example I can have an inherent drive for sexual novelty without that being my behavioral archetype or concluding that I must unleash that drive. She should vet against the kind of conclusions you described, but human nature is human nature so we'd best understand it to become the best version…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:25 PM
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I know some Chads and lemme tell you even Chad is only pursuing a hedonistic lifestyle because he cannot find a woman worthy of his devotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:18 PM
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This is really the best answer. Avoiding cheating really depends on finding an honorable man who agrees to the relationship terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:09 PM
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You're too young to tie yourself in knots over this stuff. Go find a good man. Stop propagandizing yourself into believing that you'll inevitably be cheated on. You'll never guarantee that you won't be but there are many things you can do to reduce the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:08 PM
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Loans are given to people and the success of the loan is hardly given over time. In order to repay a loan one has to succeed with the money first. Banks vet for who is likely to successfully make good on the loan (for example loans aren't handed out for ahitty business ideas). You need to vet on who is likely to make good on a promise. Different criteria sure (and certainly not statistical) but the concept is the same. Like I said you want a principled man. Find one and make him understand the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:55 PM
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He's definitely RP. Red pill is a collection of beliefs and assumptions about the fundamental nature of men and women. The conclusions people draw from that will vary. His takeaway from the red pill is about the same as mine. RP is defined by its fundamental assumptions not the conclusions people draw from those assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:51 PM
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Perhaps you glossed over my bankers analogy. Nothing prevents a man from taking a loan and not paying it back yet banks manage to consistently give out loans to qualified individuals who overwhelmingly pay that loan back. Vet men the way a bank vets loan applications or more simply put find men who keep their word. Once you've established that you get his word that he agrees to the exchange I outlined. It's not as if you aren't giving him what he wants so an honourable man has everything to gain…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:45 PM
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That doesn't track biologically. Men want sex because of the reproductive drive. The goal of reproduction is to create as many reproductively viable offspring as possible. The most effective outcomes for children come through monogomous relationships (meaning the greatest number reach reproductive viability). The most effective way to have a lot of viable children is with a young woman. It therefore follows that the most effective reproductive strategy is a monogomous long term relationship with…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:40 PM
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Also you're moving the goalposts. You didn't ask how to stop a guy from desiring variety. You asked how to stop him from acting on that by cheating or leaving a woman down the line. I answered that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:30 PM
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Most normal people have a desire for variety. You're confusing desire with action. Principles curb negative desires in men and prevent action on their basis. You want a man who agrees to the terms of the contract and understands what you are owed down the line. Before you offer that contract you need to find a man with upstanding moral principles. Let your family help you vet guys. As a young woman your apprehension is a much a product of inexperience as anything else. Your family (and close fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:29 PM
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Your view is too compartmentalized. It's natural to desire another yes. It's also natural to desire your partner's wellbeing and your relationship's stability (particularly if you have children). Society only puts its foot on the scale of biology to incentivize the correct choice. The question isn't whether you can find someone who is perfect. The question is when put to the test what do people stand for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:17 PM
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I think that was his point. Constructing a stable relationship probably means we should understand our own nature and that of the opposite sex, but it doesn't necessarily mean we must be biological determinists.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:08 PM
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First of all find a man early who is preferably the same age as you. Secondly make sure he understands the terms and trade offs of the arrangement and that y'all are on the same page. A woman who gives her youth to a young man to build him up has in that moment given something of greater value to someone of lesser value. A man who gives his middle age (and importantly the associated resources and commitment) to a middle aged woman is also giving something of greater value to someone of lesser va…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:05 PM
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Those other features threaten the stability of the relationship. Because men and women are assymetrical to begin with they necessarily have assymetrical standards. The man must be in charge of his neurotic emotions because neuroticism is an imposition that destroys relationships. Women are already inherently neurotic to a greater degree than men so a man has little to no room to express his emotions. If he brings the level of negative emotion she does than the relationship will be swept away wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 05:38 PM
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Americans are so far removed from that which is traditional that they don't hate it so much as confuse it with some caricature that feminists draw up to prevent it from being experienced. I've never met a western woman who wouldn't entertain tradition who actually knew what it entailed. The harder their opposition the less they seemed to know about it and the more they thought they knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 05:20 PM
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If someone wants to adopt some parts but not all of a traditional lifestyle... so? The problem with the buffet style approach is it's a race to see who can adopt the traditional aspects that benefit them while leaving the sucky ones to the partner. The whole point of the traditional paradigm is to divide relationship responsibilities equally by asymmetric division (because assymetric divisions are more efficient). For example providing requires time outside the home and homemaking requires time …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 05:11 PM
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If you understood the theological differences between competing religious sects you'd understand that they declare each other apostates and heretica over small theological issues because they already agree on the big ones. The first major heresy in the Roman church was over a minor translation issue of the Nicaean Creed between west and east and a trivial question of whether the Son is co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. It is widely recognized that even most of the clergy at the tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 04:59 PM
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yes and the cost of that is men's mental health Not really. The cost on men's mental health is primarily a social malady. At any rate men are mentally healthier than women on average. when they study kids who do well in school vs the kids who do poorly in school, its the kids who are more comfortable that succeed. That's one of the reasons we give kids free school lunch where i come from, if your physical needs are met and you're comfortable, you can focus on learning. conversely when you are st…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 10:20 PM
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That's pretty generous. My observation would make me guess that eight five percent or more is posted in bad faith whether intentional or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:25 PM
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I think his question is precisely about the cult definition. I'd say the generic "girl's girl" or "man's man" is just somebody who enjoys their gender's stereotypical activities, possesses their stereotypical mannerisms and tends to have an easier time socializing with their own sex. That doesn't seem to be what the commenter is really asking or more precisely the label attached to the definition is less relevant than the definition itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:22 PM
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You've mistaken cost for benefit. By ignoring how something makes one feel we are more open to exploring ideas. It makes for way more intelligent and interesting conversations. Discomfort is at the root of the learning experience after all. What women do feels like babysitting a child by comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:12 PM
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Yes that's precisely it. It's this users primary MO.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:57 PM
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Easy answer. These are two different men. One who wants to be approached and a separate different one who feels emasculated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:37 PM
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The whole idea of multi-mating strategies is that (take a deep breath folks)... there are multiple strategies one could pursue. I've read a fair bit in this sphere of literature and nobody denies that women are also evolved to select for pair bonding. What nobody in gender debates wants to do is take the literature holistically. Humans can be found engaging in all kinds of mating strategies depending on environmental circumstances (social or physical). We are the most sexually diverse species in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:23 PM
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This is understandable in a young man with few experiences. If he does it more than three times he's either too stupid to see a pattern or unethical.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:08 PM
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Considering the real possibility that the Mona Lisa was originally a portrait of a man that was changed later, your attraction to it checks out. It still wasn't painted for that reason though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:04 PM
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It just occured to me that you must be desperately horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:26 PM
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Pornography means depictions of prostitution. Pornography exists for the explicit sexual gratification of those who watch it in the same way prostitutes exist for that purpose. If you think that has anything to do with the Mona Lisa you are out of your fucking mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:25 PM
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Women's romance novels are to women what porn is to men. Neither are that diverse. They both follow a common formula and pick out of a narrow selection of tropes and archetypes. To suggest that such a genre has anywhere near the variance or depth of philosophical or scientific texts is utterly preposterous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:50 PM
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Yeah college was a wake call for me on that front too. For sure educated women are much worse partners. They're less likely to get divorced because they pick from a better pool of men and have a better handle on how to avoid the consequences of their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:02 PM
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Yes actually. Male friendships are defined by being largely devoid of expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 07:29 PM
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I don’t care for this because then it makes me look like the controlling girlfriend, but this is something people of both sexes do because it’s just easier. This. I find people who do this disrespectful to their partners by making them look bad and disrespectful to their friends by being too chicken to just tell the truth. On another note though I see men do this way more often than women and truthfully I've noticed that the appearance of a controlling wife/gf is simply accepted by society in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 09:08 PM
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All relationships involve underlying leverage. The difference between a good and a bad one is how the people involved use it. Understanding is rare among people. If it were normal to characterize relationships as based on true understanding then loneliness wouldn't be such a ubiquitous and permanent feature of the human experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 10:16 PM
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Acts like what? I don't believe I described how anybody acts. I merely pointed out that I don't think understanding is reached through cross-sex friendships. Frankly it's to do with leverage. There is no obvious or short term benefit to a woman understanding a man and no real downside to her not understanding a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:35 PM
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Having not seen Mad Men (though passingly familiar) and already being a man myself please do spoil the patterns for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:17 PM
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To be honest I'm not really convinced that male-female friendships breed understanding of men in the women involved in them. If that were true then romantic relationships should be even more effective at creating this kind of understanding due to the inherent intimacy, but in my observation they don't. Normally the man must understand and the woman must accept for the relationship to work. Rarely do I see s different exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:14 PM
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I expect it since given how women don't like analytical/smart guys, There is definitely a cultural component to this in the west. East asian women seem to actually like smart men. Notably their cultures don't have the jock/nerd bifurcation in quite the same way we do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:59 PM
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Something sorely missed about the gender wars is just how much the incel world relies on feminist paradigms to draw its conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:19 PM
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Nah. You're putting words in my mouth when I specifically indicated that I agree rape is wrong, but thanks for reminding me that people here don't understand debate, logical reasoning, or how to read properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:18 PM
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No, it's not best to replace rape with sex because sex is legal, raping is not. "Forcing their desire to have sex with you" is rape. It is in fact best precisely because the desire to have sex with you doesn't become rape until force is applied ergo every man who wouldn't rape you is acting on your behalf by restraining their desire for your benefit. It's not to their benefit to not commit a crime? Sure, but only because it was to your benefit that such an act be deemed a crime with legal reperc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 05:16 PM
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Didn't see your reply. My bad. think a guy not harassing me depends on me? No. I think you are the beneficiary though, which is what my statement implies. Whatever his motives are is irrelevant because even if his only interest is avoiding legal trouble it's palpable that society enforces such legal restrictions on your behalf. By transitive property following legal restrictions which benefit a party is acting on behalf of that party via coercion by threat of violence. So if a man is running aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:44 PM
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Being in a relationship involves actions undertaken on one's behalf by a person external to the self. Being safe from harassment and assault involves actions undertaken on one's behalf by a person external to the self. To expect either is to feel "entitled" to another person. The only difference is what specific part of the person you feel "entitled" to. As you said, in both the case of the relationship and a woman's safety, one's sense of what should be holds no guarantee of what is or will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 09:12 PM
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You nailed it dude. Functioning societies are defined by individuals who think along the lines of "what we owe one another" not "what we are owed by another." Duty is essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 08:35 PM
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Generally speaking a woman's demand for safety require voluntary cooperation and involvement from other people too. Your question applies equally to OP's point of comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 08:33 PM
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Lmfao 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:21 PM
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Agreed. This is absolutely true. The difference however is that traditional women offer something men actually want besides pussy where modern women don't. Basically a man looks at the two as a high end luxury at a high end luxury price and, low end product also at a high end luxury price. Obviously the low quality product is overpriced if it is being sold for the same price as a high quality item. Hence the complaints about modern womens' high standards that you don't see directed at traditiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:19 PM
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For men marriage is a prison. Even if the contract is dissolved he is still legally obligated to the woman for her contractual benefit even as the contract ceases to (or arguably never) benefits him. Men want women to be in the same boat as them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:54 PM
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Oh sure. That's why I asked if it comes from a language heavy in metaphor. Such languages are often considered poetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 11:32 PM
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I was thinking machine translated from a Japanese ai porn bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 08:50 PM
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I have never heard a vagina referred to as "a comfortable vending machine for souls." Did you use a translation machine to get an English version of whatever language you originally wrote this in? Does your native language rely on lots of metaphors? Because that line sounds like poorly translated hentai dialogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 08:42 PM
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Well then it's a good thing nobody anywhere has ever interacted with men. You only interact with a man, singular. Your cherry picked collection of uncharitable views from men, and your false equivalency to the kind of complaints men have about women are pretty far detached from a great many individual men. As an example notice how most of the men in this very thread who looked at those photos of women which you insisted they would hate actually said they were good enough looking. You're hurt and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 09:49 PM
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No, you're repeating what you hear which is not the same as having listened to what was said. Notably you proved my point by honing in on the one thing that confirms your prefab view while ignoring literally everything else I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:36 PM
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An answer has more substance than that lest there be nothing to actually debate about it. What you offered lends itself to a no, yes, no, yes exchange which is only a worthy debate for an anemic toddler. And no we aren't debating your answer. We are now debating whether you actually contributed anything useful to this thread. The answer to that is no. Hard and fast. Anyway you've answered all my questions so I think we're done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:56 PM
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I gotta ask. What is your deal? Do you have bad past experiences with men? Do you identify as a subpar woman? Are you just incredibly anxious from being inundated with all the cruel standards the opposite sex has for you? Like what exactly is it? You aren't really being rational nor are you trying to genuinely debate with an open mind. It seems like you want to shove men into a prefabricated box that you made to fit us, but you didn't get the dimensions quite right. What's something that would m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:44 PM
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If they expect me to be te ever performing slave-clown living a lifestyle I have no interest in just to not be alone then "attractive to me" is not negotiable This is really the big kicker isn't it. Once a guy puts in the work to improve his situation it's unrealistic to expect him to settle for less than average rather than looking for his own value back. Which guys say yes or no to this prompt probably has a tremendous amount to do with where they are at in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:37 PM
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That was pretty clear from your original comment. Furthermore while this is indeed a debate sub you offered the OP neither advice nor anything of substance to debate. Many of you ladies here seem to really enjoy outing yourself as schadenfreude seeking trolls.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:09 PM
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Is it really that stupid? For some people it is over. It might be useful to know which you are. At any rate if you believe that it's indicative of a mindset problem then talking to people the way you do is not going to help the kind of person who is experiencing that mental struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:01 PM
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The people that come to defend the blue pill in moments like this are boomers that married their HS sweethearts back in 1985. Imagine the difficulty of having to be raised as a man by people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 09:50 PM
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Why exactly is that? Is it because men don't realize the problem early enough to begin asking questions before it's too late?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 09:30 PM
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The debate stems from the premise proposed by the first comment down from your original comment. The premise of debate is whether or not women have diverse or monolithic physical queues for desire. Proof of your claim might include examples with pictures of everyone involved and an accounting of other relevant attraction factors. In other words yes you need to prove that men who aren't conventionally physically attractive are successful with women because those women actually desire them physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 10:00 PM
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Like I said, I completely understand why women wouldn't want to provide that proof nor am I requesting it, but yes that would constitute real proof. Celebrities do not for obvious reasons, and subjectively related anecdotes don't really hold a lot of water in debate. Basically pictures of all the people involved as well as a verbal portrait of the individuals in question (who they are, what they do, how they met etc.). Again, I'm not asking just pointing out flaws in the line of argumentation. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:08 PM
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I cannot speak to how often that is or isn't true. I can only say that in the forum of debate nobody wants to produce evidence that can be collectively judged, and one person's subjective opinion that her girlfriends are all hot pieces of ass and their guys are kinda "meh" simply does not constitute anything which a serious argument can base itself upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:02 PM
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The onus is on you to provide evidence for your claim. The only onus on me is to accept the argument or point out flaws in the argument. If your argument is that those who look like these people but who aren't toting around an abundance of social and financial capital do well with women then that is at least a feasible claim. Unfortunately it is not yet an argument because there is still no proof. The onus to provide that proof remains on whomever makes that claim. Understand that whoever listen…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:57 PM
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See that's a more sensible claim. The next part of an actual argument is the proof though. Somebody has to substantiate that men with unconventional looks (and to be fair some of those examples are actually conventional anyway) who also don't have any credible money or status with which to pull women are actually doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:16 PM
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If the argument being made is that women have diverse physical preferences then examples of men who have such an abundance of social value that they can collect women left and right with or without obvious physical attraction don't constitute good proof of women's physical preferences so much as good proof of their social preferences. Either improve the argument or find a new line of attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:10 PM
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Exactly correct, but you see when you wish to make an argument the onus is on you to bring compelling and accessible proof. Seeing as social status is an immediate qualifier for attracting the sexual attention of women obviously famous men are ruled out as examples in the physical attraction debate. You do understand that no? As for personal examples they are as valid as you are willing to provide proof. I do however completely understand why women don't want to do a whole case report while comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:52 PM
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What do you actually know about homeless women on crack? You might be surprised to find that they too often have better options than the incels you hear from here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:42 PM
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For obvious reasons no it does not. Women's subjective ratings of themselves and their friends as well as their ratings of the men they are interested in/with are not going to be seen as terribly reliable. Understandably you are going to read this and wonder, "what evidence would be considered valid?" The answer would be verifiable evidence which is hard work to provide. It's understandable that you wouldn't want to bother, and it's understandable that you won't be seen as advancing a compelling…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:35 PM
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You missed the other point. Money and Social proof (money is just a form of social proof anyway). Women are very easily influenced by social status queues. Essentially these kind of men are "hot" because they are popular and would cease to be the minute they lose that status. I've heard countless women make the argument you made. Without exception the examples offered are all high status men. Like I said, no man is shocked that women go for high status men. Next you'll be saying Warren Buffet is…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:19 PM
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There are so many men that don’t fit that aesthetic that women get obsessed with And notably all of the ones you named were wealthy, status possessing, successful celebrities. Trust me, it's no secret to men that women like money and social cred.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:05 PM
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He's trolling you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:38 PM
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The only unreasonable assumption is to assume that men can be broadly fit into one pattern of behavior. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying that people are all unique butterflies, but in any group there will be more than one salient subgroup which exemplifies predictable behavioral tropes. Running through women is one of those behavioral tropes belonging to one of those subgroups. Seeking a loving partnership is another. An intelligent person can come up with a multiplicity of possible subgrou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:45 PM
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a) "A guy" (singular) does not equal "men" (plural). b) That's only the purpose of a slave society. A just society doesn't foist social and material burdens onto parties that aren't responsible for the issue. In a slave society however the elites do as they please and the lower classes clean up the mess. To be clear there are no civilized societies which require men to take responsibility for unrelated children. Ironically to your point about barbarism the only societies which practice forced pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:27 PM
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Some do and some don't. To make a blanket assumption as if a plurality of explanations don't exist is not normally a sign of a serious thinker.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:38 PM
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There's a big difference between becoming number two to your own kid and beginning as number two to another man's kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:56 PM
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Those aren't the same thing. If you think the only use for a man's options is to run them through then you lack imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:54 PM
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He meant it's either a pattern or an outlier in your personal life that men run away to be with women who are stereotypically seen as less desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:52 PM
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Men don't hate helping children. They hate it when women try and foist social and material responsibility onto them for children that aren't there own. Women frequently make bad choices which have severely negative future implications for the children they bring into the world and then want to pretend like the man who refuses to bail out the woman with another guy's kid is the bad one who doesn't care about the wellbeing of children. If women care about the wellbeing of their children then they …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:48 PM
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Genuine love requires you to know that person because if someone only likes the idea of you they don’t love you. The stark odds against a man ever receiving genuine love from a woman is why many of them settle for the mere pursuit of sex. Men pursue transactional relations not because they don't love themselves, but because women don't and won't (or arguably can't) genuinely love them and yet for the man the practical need for a woman's utility remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:07 PM
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You asked why a man would want to be with a woman who loves the idea she has of him rather than him as a real person. My point is that women don't fall in love with men only ideas. The option for the man who doesn't want to be loved as an idea is to be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:32 PM
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Yes, I'm well aware what you meant, and my response was written as if that's what you meant. My point still stands
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:30 PM
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The last one isn't about an argument where the women has been accused of wrongdoing which she believes to be false. It actually doesn't even need to be about anything she did or was involved in to any degree. The situation is simply one where the man has been negatively impacted by something (anything at all) in a way that makes him feel badly, and when he tries to discuss it the woman makes it about how badly she feels on his behalf. In the end the man ends up comforting the girlfriend/wife ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:22 PM
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If you were a man who was starkly honest then you would understand from experience that for most women genuine love actually isn't possible for exactly the reason you just stated. Women love the idea they have of a man, not the man himself. At any rate for most your statement is a catch 22. If women never like the content of any reveal than it's merely a matter of the transitive property that they don't like real intimacy or honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:28 PM
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Most women fall in love with their fantasy idea of who a man is and not the man himself. Men fall in love with bodies not women and women fall in love with idealization not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:23 PM
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Safety is low on the list of male priorities compared to women. Men make themselves safe. Human's look to recieve from a partner what they which the partner possesses and they don't. Men have safety already and women are unequipped to provide it anyhow. You should try perspective taking if you want to seriously discuss gender dynamics and sex differences because right now you are insisting on applying your own subjective (and sex based) view of relationships to those it isn't relevant to. It mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:21 PM
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Yes we agree about single mother households. I am adding the point that this extends to dual parent households in which the mother is the primary authority figure while the man abdicates his authority as well as the responsibility to be a masculine role model which that entails. I'd stress that the feature of the dysfunctional mother which is nearly ubiquitous among single mothers could be more broadly seen as the issue which stems from female led households writ large. To be straightforward the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:45 PM
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Only when they choose to step up to the plate. You will find households where the father is present but remains largely uninvolved and shirks his paternal duties. These households spit out only marginally better outcomes than single mother households.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:42 PM
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This is an old post at this point, but I have an explanation for this problem. Biologically speaking boys tend to lose respect for female authority figures around age eight in favor of seeking out an older male authority to emulate on the path to manhood (for obvious reasons a boy has no desire to grow into a woman). Around this age mothers will begin to face severe challenges disciplining and controlling the son. The solution the female authority figure tends to settle on in the absence of an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:40 PM
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I knew some men raised in those circumstances and it didn't work out so well for them. They tended to struggle with both genders socially speaking. Women were polite but unattracted, and they struggled to fit into male dominance hierarchies and gain same sex peer acceptance for reasons I believe had to do with being raised to operate in female ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:28 PM
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I got asked to be the bull in some attractive girl's relationship and gave her the cold shoulder. On another occasion I met a cute younger girl I thought I would like and then she opened her mouth and spewed out some of the most moronic drivel I've ever heard. I stopped talking to her after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:55 PM
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Well you're talking to one. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:52 PM
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Yes I have known men like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:48 PM
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Yes, I recognize men see stability and love as the losing equation compared to wild sex and insanity. Do I think these men are smart? No. This is gross hyperbole. Men object to the bifurcation itself and settle for wild sex and insanity in lieu of an available holistic package. Both > Sex > Stability because stabilty can be achieved on one's own without any price. You need a different shorthand not because your identification of stability versus fun is wrong but because the bux component of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:40 PM
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I'll give you this one. I'm well aware some men do this. Your use of the AF/BB terminology threw me off because it has a specific meaning. Maybe you should come up with a different short hand for it. I would also add that in general it's the woman who is for sex that is seen as the loser in this game which is the reverse of the male bifurcation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:29 PM
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Cause all the men out there wifing up wealthier women to support their lifestyles. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:12 PM
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You sound like a resentful sociopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:05 PM
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I think the problem is assuming that all the men complaining are engaged in a double standard. Some assuredly are, but one should make discerning distinctions and absent the requisite information to do so at least be aware that we cannot all be sorted into the hypocrite category.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:02 PM
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For this to be true you would have had to have a point rather than an empty insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:27 PM
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All exertion of emotional energy is emotional labor by definition. Technical jargon is to be used denotationally rather than connotationally. At any rate if you're hung up on that term then you probably missed the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:23 PM
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That's the fruit of the one holistic absolute transaction. Analyze the aspects of true love through the lense of transactionality and you'll find that true love is borne out of mutual "good business ethics." As an aside I said subtext not subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:54 PM
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That term is definitional. I also find it easy enough to do for people who aren't total pricks. Nevertheless you completely glossed over my core point which is that even kind people will stake out hard rhetorical positions when confronted with transactional entitlement rather than the spirit of reciprocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:41 PM
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Oh I very much understand what that subreddit is for and why his story elicited such a response and furthermore agree with you about how one should carefully interact with that sub or better yet not interact at all. Nevertheless it's somewhat ironic that I'm the one extending kindness in lieu of condemnatory judgement by suggesting that not every person (especially the kind of insecure people on AITA) is wise enough to write a deposition about a general story they wish to relate for feedback. To…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:38 PM
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I'm not convinced all of them are that mean in real life so much as annoyed that people feel entitled to their emotional labor. I'd personally handle this kind of thing with decorum and consideration, but internet strangers pretending that I'm paying some sort of owed debt rather than giving something of myself would piss me off enough to stake out some hard rhetoric on the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:31 PM
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she isn’t the AH Does pitching a fit when one doesn't get what they want not make someone an asshole? She did call him names after the rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:19 PM
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Sure, but that's the arrangement they made. I don't go to a restaurant and then complain that the friendly wait staff don't want to hang with me outside of the transactional business setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:17 PM
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I didn't say that's the most optimal way to seek judgement from the internet, or that he was definitely polite. We simply don't know. I'm just suggesting that we aren't necessarily inclined to think about the feelings of internet commenters who want to project onto our situation the same way we might be inclined to consider the feelings of someone right in front of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:11 PM
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Off topic but the subtext of the disney romance is he gets all the pussy and she gets all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:07 PM
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Perhaps but sometimes we relate stories to unaffected third parties in more blunt terms than we used during the actual interaction. Politeness is wordy, and that's work which is worth putting in for someone whose feelings are on the line. Outside commenters don't qualify.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:04 PM
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Yes without a doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:24 PM
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I refuse to believe all men are that immoral. Some men don't like hookup culture because it hurts people. There has to be some men who are concerned about this. We exist and we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:09 AM
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I've been invited to participate in such practices before. I rejected them because I despise hookup culture. I'm a man of civilization and thus monogomous. No offer has ever swayed me otherwise. Square that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:54 AM
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Wrong. They aren't much more peaceful and they certainly aren't egalitarian. They tend to trade physical violence and dominance displays for sexual ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:43 PM
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Much less violence, bigotry and hierarchy. All wrong. Go read a book by an actual expert on bonobos who has studied them in the wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:40 PM
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Then enjoy the extinction event. Bonobos can only survive in their niche when they don't have to compete with the more advantaged chimps. A giant river makes their existence possible. Also enjoy the rape. Bonobos are rapey as fuck. Human societies that most resemble bonobo socio-sexual hierarchies have limited or no conception of consent. Every fetishization of bonobos is a product of pop primatology/sexology that ignores the actual scientific literature on the topic. Before Jane Goodall people …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:31 PM
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Same here. If I listed my friends from most to least misogynistic and then from most to least successful with women they are basically the same list.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 08:36 PM
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My dad didn’t date my mum because “muh fertility.” He wanted a family. That’s different. Yes and no. Wanting a family inherently ties into fertility so in one sense it's the same. On the other hand a family includes much more than just fertility. Basically the family man and the hypersexual douche are both equally invested in fertility because all men care about that. Maybe spend less time contemplating men's biology and instead seek men who have built some more complex structure and world view …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:18 PM
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The skin tells all. I can tell whether most women are over or under thirty based on their skin. It's almost subconscious. It took me years to figure out why the "hot" older woman turned me on less than the "less hot" younger woman. We notice the difference at the most basic level.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:59 PM
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The bigger problem with elderly childrearing are the social complications that come with older parents. For brevities sake I won't explain in depth, but there is a lot of psychological literature on how older parents tend to damage their offspring via the parenting mechanisms that "too old" parents tend to gravitate toward. The point to remember is that the biology argument is a distraction. Even if a woman has a healthy kid in her late thirties she is unlikely to raise it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:52 PM
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This is the most realistic answer here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 04:28 PM
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If your logic can be reapplied to justify a ridiculous idea then your logic sucks. It's called argumentum ad absurdum. It might behoove you to learn something about rhetoric and formal logic. Until then stay stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:54 PM
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So you think a women aging should get a pass because other women age too? That's ridiculous. Next you'll be saying criminals from high crime communities deserve a pass because most of the kids there fall into crime. Clown logic persuades nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:19 PM
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This post is so tone deaf and devoid of genuine self awareness that it sounds like you just describing yourself. Maybe there is a reason "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" speaks to you so much...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:36 PM
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It applies to men too actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:24 PM
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Studies tend to show that women do generally judge both manwhores and virgins harshly for long term relationships. What you are talking about is already a reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:22 PM
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If you say something like "slut is good for sex but nit commitment" you are also slut because you are open to casual sex. It's possible to intuitively understand that there are two lanes and still pick just one for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:20 PM
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You may notice that I'm one of the ones who didn't jump on her. I'm just explaining what the fuck is going on here since she seems befuddled by it. At any rate the way some of y'all get so bent out of shape about something so trivial does amuse me so thanks for the laugh 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:07 PM
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You said no one answered your question so here it is. I asked why you’re a f*cking jackass making fun of someone just because you have different opinions Because your batshit opinions do tell us about who you are. In your personal case it includes the other heavily correlated mental conditions and obnoxious interests that stereotypically come with astrology and to a much lesser extent Swift. So, yes your tastes are enough to judge you by, and you've been found wanting. The reason the guy is a ja…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:36 PM
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Have you not noticed that the men in question state their desire to avoid girls like that? Your stance sounds like a no win situation. He tells her she's full of shit and he's a loser who cockblocked himself. He tells her what she wants to hear to fuck her and he's a manipulative douchebag. I'll err on the side of authenticity cause I have self respect and am not a desperate simp thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:27 PM
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They are actually. They are just clowning her harder because she opened with her vulnerability on her sleeve. That's a shark smells blood moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:21 PM
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You're asking for it. You made a post about people not responding well to your interests and then listed several stupid interests while screaming to the world how much it bothers you when people tell you those interests are stupid. When dealing with men never reveal your vulnerability and always couch your statements as general concepts and trends to be explored. Men are sharks and you showed up here like a bleeding, thrashing fish. What exactly did you think would happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:04 PM
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I have a collection of friends which includes the so called normal guys in committed relationships and marriages. Ppor relational harmony and starfish fucking is something I get to hear about quite a bit from these guys. It appears to be more the norm than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:58 PM
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Saying men were a mover for the sexual revolution because they wanted to reap the sexual reward is like saying big corporations care about providing asylum to migrants when they are just poised to take advantage of a labor source created off the back of someone else's desires. Men are parasites and enablers when it comes to the sexual revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:26 PM
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Sounds like someone hit a nerve...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:42 PM
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You people always make personal assumptions about the nature of people's conclusions. I've done just fine for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:14 AM
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The concept is male alienation from sexuality. Consider the concept broad with the ability to be dialed up or down in magnitude like the volume of a radio. The guy you were originally talking to was being a drama queen talking about sterilization. Essentially he dialed the idea up to eleven. I'd say your suggestion is about a six for sexual alienation. At any rate you've made a lot of erroneous, hostile and ad hominem assumptions about me. I'm just pointing out that conceptually there's somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:38 PM
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The industry is filled with useless and incompetent charlatans. Ironically there are some really good ones too, but finding them is a time consuming and prohibitively expensive process.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:00 PM
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The problem is the timeline. Guys who need help, have already passed the deadline to get their shit together in a timely enough fashion to make their goals a reality. It's the right amount of work if you get started early. If you get started early you won't ever register a problem. Alternatively you'll start to work hard later, society will leech off your productivity, and before you know it you'll be over forty and used up with nothing to show for it. If you aren't where you need to be by thirt…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:56 PM
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Even better than meta analysis. Umbrella analysis, which is an analysis of a all available meta analyses and individual studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:50 PM
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Peer review actually makes it worse. It enables institutional group think, and editors of journals who have conflicts of interest can decide what papers are even allowed to be reviewed. You think the work I spent my career on is bogus and here's why? Fuck that, no publication for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:49 PM
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Are you making a Fight Club reference? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:45 PM
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I've had the same problem with the medical system for both mental and physical health. Good professionals are a needle in a haystack, and it's prohibitively expensive to keep searching. I had a medical condition that required early treatment to have any chance of reversal, and none of the doctors I saw in that timeframes would even take me seriously. All I got was a bunch of bills and then had to live with the outcome as if I'd never seen a doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:40 PM
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It's an exaggeration, but to be fair it is conceptually similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:35 PM
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I just want to add that your inability to admit that this looks bad on your part, even if there be no deeper impropriety, adds to the level of concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:04 AM
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Whether you have or not is irrelevant when you make statements endorsing behavior which is against the rules of the sub. Those with power are held to a higher standard than those without. It's important that those of us you moderate can have faith in your ability to impartially enforce rules. This faith is undermined when you openly endorse the belief that such rules shouldn't apply to certain people you moderate who don't share your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:02 AM
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Unfortunately you've backed yourself into a corner. Stating that the letter of the law forces you to behave according to rules you explicitly disagree with is concerning when you are in a position of power. It's illegal to engage in racially discriminatory policing, yet racist cops still exist. Ones who say it out loud get fired. While a reddit moderator is not at this magnitude it is conceptually the same issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:59 AM
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If you don't believe in the rules then the participants here have no reason to believe that you are capable of the kind of impartial enforcement required of your position. If this is your opinion, that's fine, but should have been kept to yourself. Your position here demands greater responsibility than this comment shows, and your credibility as a moderator is now suspect. You aren't just some chump commenting on the rules here you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:48 AM
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You indicated its acceptability in explicit terms. It's not "immoral" to name call someone who doesn't believe in egalitarianism. Someone is a singular noun. It isn't a plural noun applied to group which is being generalized. You, a moderator on this sub, state here in writing that you find namecalling "someone" (singular) who disagrees with your beliefs to be acceptable. The fact that you haven't personally violated the rules is not relevant considering your position is greater than that of a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:43 AM
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That quote of you isn't a generalization about a group. It's an endorsement of namecalling an individual who disagrees with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:11 AM
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It's not "immoral" to name call someone who doesn't believe in egalitarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:11 AM
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Yeah, I mean I even agree with the guy to some extent, and I still have to roll my eyes at the idea that those views amount to hard facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:44 AM
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You would have a point if you listed any hard facts in your complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:42 AM
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You've just explicitly advocated for namecalling of certain people, a position which violates the moderating policy of this sub. I couldn't care less what your perspective is or what kind of genitals you have. A moderator's job is to uphold the rules as stated, and your role is made inherently suspect by your explicit endorsement of behavior which violates rule number two.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:35 AM
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That's not real life. A dude rambling about TRP in the middle of a night club needs to get kicked out if he's causing women to leave. There is such a thing as a correct time and place. We aren't talking about the same thing at all. Nevertheless only the most egregious damage to a business should constute a valid reason to remove someone. Nobody is talking about harassment here. Real life for most part consists of echo chambers there's nothing wrong with that. Echo chambers exist in the broadest …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 01:09 AM
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People shouldn't have to spend their free time listening to things they don't like in settings they choose. This is how echo chambers which ignite our worst tribalist tendencies end up forming. Free speech exists in large part to prevent this. If people don't want to hear stuff they don't like then they shouldn't participate. Echo chambers allow the mass of idiots to control the discourse when a more competitive marketplace of ideas would ideally force them to make better arguments or shut up an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:54 AM
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Free speech as a legal phenomenon that applies to government can only be maintained in a culture that widely upholds the value in generic social settings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:39 AM
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You really shouldn't be a mod here. Also egalitarianism is a stupid belief to pedastalize.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:35 AM
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Yeah you can find her bitching about it on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 11:38 PM
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The idea behind the name is that the average american Joe is a beer drinker.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 11:33 PM
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If you're having a hard time understanding what I mean maybe you should google some reading comprehension resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:36 AM
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That’s where you find resources and phone numbers to call for help. Do And you just made my point. Google helps you find serious resources. The resources have to be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:23 AM
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It really doesn't. It just requires one to have a moral compass independent of outward accountability. Maybe you don't understand human fallibility as a macro problem. You should read some sociological studies on individual behavior in groups without reward and punishment systems. Then again I don't expect a sophisticated understanding of man and morality from self professed communist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:17 AM
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Maybe women should google their way out of domestic abuse eh? Anymore stupid questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:14 AM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:55 PM
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Greenberg's work actually supports my point. She describes narcissists as desperately dependent on external emotional validations they are incapable of giving to others. This is the nature of the social strain narcissists experience and why they cannot get their needs met in adulthood (obviously nobody is going to play unconditionally loving mommy to a narcissist). By helping them gain emotional perspective they can turn that gaze outward toward others and have functioning relationships which me…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:48 PM
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I have so far read Masterson, Kernberg, Greenberg Then you've failed to understand their work. First of all Kernberg and Greenberg are at some degree of odds seeing as Greenberg is in a number of ways more in line with Kohut who was Kernberg's opposite number on views of narcissism. Masterson manages to straddle both Kernberg's and Kohut's worlds. None of these approaches are focused primarily on developing self-love in the narcissist. Perhaps you misunderstood Kohut influenced literature which …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:39 PM
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if it's the fear of hellfire that keeps you from doing evil, then you're not genuinely good at all" This is such a strange perspective because it requires one to believe that they themselves are wholly good to the point of infallibility. Seeing as God is the only part of the religious system defined as wholly good from which no evil can stem there is a great irony that those who throw out this system have in fact elevated themselves to a godly status. I've always said that the fastest way to sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:16 PM
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Seeing how men in history largely regarded women as inferior, no. Those traits were always regarded as the traits of inferiority. The traits might have been valued somewhat, but were never respected or considered worthy of treating women as equals. Remember, even the wealthiest elites in history valued their lowliest servant’s labor at least a little— but valuing a trait or skill doesn’t mean they ever considered their servants anything other than their absolute inferiors in every way. This is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:19 PM
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Self love as you describe it does not lead to self acceptance and self empathy. Your views on narcissism simply don't align well with clinical practices. Your description of narcissism is accurate, but your treatment prescription is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:02 PM
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That’s the case in sociological contexts, but red pill guys openly claim that a woman dating “up” means she’s looking for a man superior to her in all ways, not just financial. Fair enough. I guess I'm speaking generally rather than from a pure red pill perspective. the features men seem to desire in women are not actually respected or valued or rewarded in broader society very much either I'm not sure about this today, but certainly it was historically valuable. This is a major reason women don…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:58 PM
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This is a good point, but it's worth noting that there are few good resources for men to better themselves coming out of a shitty environment. Everyone is happy to say, "better yourself," but nobody wants to help or provide resources that can be used to that end. Society seems to view it as easier to declare the man totalled.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:52 PM
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There are good men, but I know what many men are capable of and I choose not to engage, I'm sorry to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:48 PM
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It's like people don't understand reward/punishment dynamics when it comes to social behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:37 PM
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Actually the clinical treatment for narcissism does not focus on self love. Narcissism is defined by a weak sense of self, and involves a collection of self validation and idealization that unrealistically inflates the sense of self (often at the expense of others). This is essentially self love, but for a narcissist it is a coping mechanism that reinforces narcissistic tendencies. The clinical treatments for narcissism encourage people to look outward. Volunteer. Compliment others. Engage in ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:26 PM
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I've heard a lot of women with this doctor fantasy. I knew an overweight girl, with few career prospects, and a "charming" personality who would say that if her career didn't work out by thirty she'd just marry a doctor. I didn't care enough to burst her bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:01 PM
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I think you are correct about the features men want their women to be better at than them. However, I think the subtext of "dating down" has always carried socioeconomic implications because the "up" or "down" phenomenon refers to our social hierarchies. Women don't move up and down larger social hierarchies based on the features you described, but rather based on the same features that men do. While I agree with you assessment of the traits and the relative equal balance between what each sex c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:54 PM
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Providing and settling down in marriage does not define a beta. A beta can only find use through his provisioning. An alpha controls his destiny. Whether a relationship oriented provider is an alpha or a beta has much more to do with why he's in that relationship as judged by his desirability to women, the characteristics of his female half, and the dynamic of the relationship itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:45 PM
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So then, like STEM, this is a case where gender is irrelevant beyond the innate biological predispositions for different interests. Furthermore your argument as it pertains to actors applies to all the male actors and more broadly to employees everywhere. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:07 PM
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The same.could be said of most STEM fields. Also in what world does a woman's willful participation in the acting side of porn translate to "male dominated" industry? Feminist talking points on porn betray a deep failure to understand the problems with the porn industry and its impact on society, in favor of a gender based "us vs them" analysis which ironically strips women of all agency. I suppose if you think women are mindless NPCs then your perspective makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:40 PM
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A high enough portion to dispense with these hogwash myths that men dominate the porn industry and that the women are just helplessly strung along.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:34 PM
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There are far more women on the direction side than you think as just an example. In fact anecdotally speaking I've noticed a lot of the absolute filthiest stuff is female directed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:10 PM
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You called? 😏
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:35 PM
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That wasn't my point nor does it have anything to do with what I said. Women have chimed in up and down this thread with their story of a later in life start at relationships. The thing is that dating, sex and relationships don't work that way for men. You may be outside the social norm as a woman starting late, but men aren't generally disgusted by a woman's lack of experience, and tend to be more willing to play the teacher role in romantic contexts. Men are not just looked at as odd for start…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:44 PM
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Great post, great points.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:34 PM
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To your side point you don't understand the porn industry at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:32 PM
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Honestly I'm not sure your personal experience as a woman translates to how a man moves through the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:19 PM
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Different kind of weird. It's outside the social norm for a woman. It's actively repulsive for a man. One is, "Huh. Weird." The other is, "Eww. Weird."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:12 PM
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That's happened before, but the beneficiary group is likely to be unwed women with or without children. In England during the 18th century there was a low rate of marriage, women were complaining of not being able to find a husband and men wanted to be bachelors instead of settling down with some demanding old hag so the government instated a bachelor tax.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:06 PM
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“Years” is now “hundreds of thousands of years”? Hundreds or thousands. I couldn't see your original comment, and I assumed you were talking about the history of gender dynamics. What I wrote is close enough to what you said. Ah so women trying to be treated as equals is “demanding validation”? Got it. That's a strong mischaracterization of what I said. You demand validation for you genders history of ongoing problems with men. Men demand the same. If you don't see this it's because you don't wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:28 PM
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The gender discourse extends far beyond this particular space and time. Women have bad experiences for hundreds or thousand of years as you put it and then demand validation and rectification of the problem (does the women's movement ring a bell). Men proceed to invalidate you. Men have bad experiences for hundreds or thousands of years and then demand validation and rectification of the problem. Women invalidate them. Men complain that you are hypocrites for previously demanding what you're now…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:58 PM
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Honestly, considering your propensity for disingenuous backpedaling it's hard for me to tell whether you are doing that right now, or if your problem is that you write at the level of a sixth grader so we can't understand your logically inane ramblings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:51 PM
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Absolutely. The man's perspective on this specific gender dynamic would be that y'all are hypocrites for wanting validation and turning around and denying it to others. Your view and mine are both accurate takes about the opposite sex's incongruity when complaining and responding to complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:46 PM
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We feel the same about a bunch of your bullshit too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:42 PM
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The pot meets the kettle...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:41 PM
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we have r/Niceguys showing how guys react to the friendzone as extremely unhinged. That's a general statement about how guys react to the friendzone. Nowhere did you qualify this take as pertaining only to the perpetually online. If I take you at face value here then you need to learn communication skills, and you could use some classes on writing and formal logic. Alternatively you're full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:40 PM
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You really need to stop letting the perpetually online shape your view of normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:35 PM
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So you want specific examples, but they shouldn't be anecdotal? Think about what might not make sense about that for however long you need... Edit: I forgot to add that your examples are all anecdotes too. Do you know what an anecdote actually is? Because it doesn't seem like you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:31 PM
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I would argue they do. Not everyone is following what the latest popular song/artist is. People listen to music that is around them. This means your social circles define your listening tastes in the same way your social circle defines what languages you speak (music is language tangential). Popular music doesn't change rapidly. Actually it does from a stylistic standpoint. The modern ear is desensitized to a wide variety of exotic styles, sound, chords etc. You simply cannot tell what the diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:52 PM
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It's an awfully nice idea. Unfortunately it runs up against women's conditioning to "not be his mother." Our modern zeitgeist alienated women from their nurturing side in order to push them into the workforce. That's why men have the same problem historically, and the deficit of emotional skills across the genders is too great to overcome when both sexes are shaped to fit into that role.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:13 PM
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idiotmax. I'm adding this to my "new speak" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:09 PM
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What’s your source on that? The history of high level music is littered with folks having this discussion of the common taste versus the expert taste. Schumann writes extensively on this topic in Die Neue Zeitschrift für Musik, an important journal for commentary on new music (19th century). Could it not be the case that most people don’t care about music theory or what’s “objectively good” Of course people don't care about music theory. No person has ever thought that. Music theory isn't what m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:41 PM
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Your point and mine aren't mutually exclusive. Like I said, people date whoever is around. If your whole social environment sucks, and you've not had the opportunity to see new horizons then it makes sense that some will conclude that what they deal with is normal. Your point is relevant for people who date across a variety of social circles, and at different times over the course of their life. There will be young men for whom time has not yet passed, and new circles have not yet been explored.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:26 PM
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If you believe that force is never an acceptable means to motivate desirable behavior and that pressure is no different than force then you have no tools to generate positive behavior other than bribery which is not a long term solution. You would be incapable of raising a child with that attitude just like we will be incapable of maintaining a functioning reproductive system with that attitude. The family is a microcosm for society and all human interactions. It's relevance in this sphere is al…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:04 PM
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Let's use deep sea isopods as an example. The males of the species come in several distinct morphological forms which pertain to their mating strategy. Obviously there is the "alpha" bull who is the biggest male and builds harems of isopod females. No secret what his strategy is. More commonly there are "beta" isopods who are smaller than the bulls, and most interestingly a third variation which constutes the sneaky male strategy. This third form looks exactly like a female, and mates by hiding …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:03 PM
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Then never have kids. Yours would be a screaming nightmare without discipline who grow into a burden on society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 12:42 PM
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Try being raised by one. There is no shortage of feminist mothers raising their children with feminist ideas from birth. A friend of mine had a baby, and feminist literature was on the baby shower gift registry. Baby's first feminist book or some shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:54 AM
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Have we considered that men who are complaining of this may exist in social circles that attract this kind of woman? People date whoever is around. I personally was a musician and went through arts programs. I've seen all sorts of trash, but the arena I'm in attracts people with problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:40 AM
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You are making a general point about men's dating issues from what I can tell. You understand that most of the men with dating issue aren't congregating on this subreddit right? As to your second condescending dig, people notice that which triggers negative emotion more so than that which doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:32 AM
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How old are you? I get that maybe you'll just dismiss what i'm about to say as general male whinging, but young women today are very into men out of their league. I clean up pretty well, and the only women who are my age that put themselves in my line of sight tend to be vastly less attractive than me on top of not having much else going for them. The others are old enough to be my mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:12 AM
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Except I dont Good for you. There are men who will appreciate that if you can open up a little bit to hearing what a man has to say. I even posted an example here and I can even find more. I'm genuinely surprised you found one, but it take all types eh? More seriously I don't believe that most men defend those women. Generally I see men who are pissed off at those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:08 AM
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I literally read them in PPD. Maybe that's your probelm.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:05 AM
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Preface: This comment isn't about Eilish's music, but rather your logic. Most people don't know what's good or not, just what's popular. Take it from a classically trained musician that there's a big difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:51 PM
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Maybe you're right, but if so it's a bit shocking. Tits are tits, but her face is pretty uninspiring. She looks like a pretty average girl to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:46 PM
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Where did you find that graph? I'm curious what the research basis was since it gives no indication.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:35 PM
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Women are programmed to find the best suitor and men are programmed to game the system. We evolve side by side as a single species so for whatever instinct a woman has to weed a man out, there will be a man who has a behavioral quirk designed to trick that instinct. In the vast majority of species it's the case that sneaky males are the most common reproductive phenotype. The evolutionary implication is that male gaming of the system works. Furthermore, female selectivity doesn't operate in a va…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:28 PM
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Birth rates below replacement in sexually liberalized countries. Excessive immigration is used to compensate economically. Sociocultural upheaval wrought by mass migration of distinct cultural and ethnic groups into countries where they struggle to assimilate quickly leads to conflicts (which we see). In otherword economics 101. Would you like biological, sociological, or historical arguments as well, cause they all point to the same reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:09 PM
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Nobody really thinks that either. Such straw men are just useful ways of playing stupid when one has no better idea for a functioning mating system than the old and restrictive one they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:58 PM
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But yes there are good men who fall into this subset, chances are however they’re already married or taken by the time they reached the level of “financial” stability that most women today expect. Women don't seem to realize that faithful, virtuous "Chad" was snapped up by some commitment oriented woman long before he ever crossed the finish line or received his honorary "Chad" plaque.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:45 PM
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No. They are saying that societies that fail at having a high rate of family formation and family stability tend to die out overtime. Those pressures created a functional reproductive system for society. Today the individual is above society and with that goes civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:38 PM
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You have a spurious definition of a ton of time. Are you suggesting that in the roughly hour or two it took to write these replies I could have found a nice wife? Do you think I cannot engage in discussions and move toward my goals? Am I not allowed to ask a woman what presentation of a preference is viewed negatively and which one neutrally? You're not very bright and you bore me. Piss off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:16 PM
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If you aren’t finding a non promiscuous woman who likes you, it’s probably because you spend too much time online trying to convince people who don’t really give a shit that your preference are right. Talking about something once is too much time online? What are you some sort of teetotaler? Also did you read anything I wrote or are you just retarded? Whose trying to convince anybody my preference is right? I'm trying to discuss why it's automatically assumed to be wrong. Reading comprehension. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:40 PM
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My social circles aren't turning them up I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:35 PM
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I have a strong distaste for promiscuity. I don't live my life that way, and I'd like a partner who doesn't and hasn't either. Also a partner I connect with and genuinely like who feels the same about me, but that's not relevant here. I live my life based on my values and my values aren't very favorable to high degrees of promiscuity though I'm not a purist so much as a contextualist in terms of what I consider to be promiscuous. As it pertains to judging others I view people holistically. The p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:03 AM
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I'm not sure what you intend to prove by pointing out that I complained of an unfair label when expressing my preference, and that you observed a potential reason for that label to be applied to my preference. Considering I addressed the truthfulness of the double standard argument I'm not sure what your point is. I don't do intellectual labor on behalf of other for a reason. People never ask for receipts about things which confirm their beliefs, and people never believe receipts which disprove …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 11:53 PM
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Imagine you have a preference, and when you try to discuss how to meet women who share your preference everybody starts talking about misogynists and double standards. Every time you see anybody bring up the topic somebody attacks them (as another commenter did here to me). I'd just ask you to consider if maybe you'd be a little defensive too. Full honesty I'm too lazy to find you the receipts. Every study I've seen on this issue attempts to measure the frequency of the belief in each gender tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 11:15 PM
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So this is loaded with assumptions. First of all right of the bat you saw me shame nobody. Secondly every study I've ever seen on promiscuity double standards suggest equivalence across gender. Thirdly women actually select more harshly against promiscuity on average than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:55 PM
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Well then it's a good thing nothing you said here applies to me or reflects anything I said above.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:44 PM
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Hmm. Interesting. So you're saying young women don't have values just preferences. That's a huge red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:42 PM
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Nothing but assumptions here. You are literally who I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:41 PM
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I don't see why I have to like promiscuous women. Women are adamant that they don't have to like virgin men, autistic men or any other kind of man who doesn't fit their preferences for a man. In these very same cases I could shriek about how unfair, judgmental, and misandrist these women are on account of dehumanizing people for something one could argue has no relevance to their value as a person. Alternatively I could drop the bullshit pretense that dehumanization is what I care about when it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:14 PM
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Another person might say the last sentence I wrote is the most important though I don't see in any way how they are mutually incompatible with the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:57 PM
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Alright. Question. Were you put off by the way I described my preference? Because the other person who responded to the comment you picked up on views it that way and appears from my perspective to have simply made a bunch of assumptions about how I'm a terrible person. In my observation that's the normative response. I'm talking about crude heuristics to figure out whether she is promiscuous or not without bringing up the topic. How does she dress? Is she enormously invested in women's liberati…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:48 PM
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I should add that all personal choices are a product of values, but if you want to be obtuse by all means be my guest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:37 PM
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You're a great example of what I'm talking about. Nowhere did you see shit talking, intolerance or heavy judgement. You saw a stated preference and leaped to conclusions. Try talking to the people in front of you instead of the spectres of your own imagination. I'd say that's a pretty key communication skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:36 PM
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I don't speak to women about these issues. That being said I see low promiscuity women condemning men for looking for low promiscuity women. If the guy is a hypocrite that makes sense, but I see more blanket statements to this effect (commenter who responded above you for example). It appears to me that we would have to discuss sexual values to find compatibility and as far as I can see just stating my preference is an "obsession" as you put it. So I don't state it. I covertly observe and use cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:34 PM
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They share the value of low promiscuity in terms of how they choose to live their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:29 PM
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I don't mean to be rude, but this is obvious. Let me give you an example of the kind of problem I'm describing. I don't particularly like promiscuous women. Women who aren't promiscuous exist. A good match seeing as we have the same values about promiscuity? Apparently not because the modern zeitgeist says men who don't want promiscuous women are horrible misogynists, and for some reason non promiscuous young women think that it makes sense to reject guys who share their values because they shar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:23 PM
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I've not gotten the impression that her trashiness invalidates her experience of abuse. I think to be clear though it isn't adequate to go around talking about how these things should work when there is the reality of how they do. I also believe that her being abused doesn't invalidate a conversation about inappropriate behaviour in public. None of these issues are mutually exclusionary though the abuse crosses a bright red line.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:10 PM
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Hey! I agree with you! What a rarity on this platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:06 PM
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The ex's behavior is exactly what I mean when I talk about men who hide behind a one-sided idea of traditionalism when it's actually all about ego and control. It's a massive red flag and I'm not at all surprised he turned out to be a piece of shit. So how's a guy to avoid that perception? I have a holistic view of traditional norms, but most women I hear from on this issue are way too paranoid to hear my perspective rather than assume my views.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:58 PM
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No misunderstanding on my end so much as yours. I'm saying, "pretend there are two women that YOU feel are fairly equal and YOU didn't find any red flags (however YOU define red flags). Now choose based on this limited info" My point is entirely that men won't find these women equal or without flags in any real situation on account of the feature you are asking them to select for or against. I'm not suggesting that you personally see them equally. I'm suggesting any statement of equal flags and …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:20 PM
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You've presented them as facts, but the idea that both these women are identical and without any flags is in essence a value judgement. Consider that anyone would simply (and many men who answered have) put their own value judgements about the actual facts of these women's lives (divorced vs hooking up) above yours. Unfortunately any estimation of flags and relative relationship desirability is a subjective value judgement. You're trying to get men to answer based on your prescribed value judgem…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:57 PM
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In my observation women want kids or not in the moment based on selfish convenience. Does she feel overwhelmed right now? No kids ever! Two days later she sees her friends cute newborn? Omg need kids, must receive social validation via baby! While there are childfree women I'd be inclined to treat any woman's protestations against children with serious skepticism considering how whimsical women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:31 PM
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The problem is her experiment is set up with such a detachment from the real world implications of these behaviors so as to render any answer worthless. Men care about how the feature she is trying to measure impacts results. If both women are otherwise identical and have no red flags then there is no difference in result so there is no reason to favor one or the other at all. Realistically these women would have made different decisions because they are different people with different potential…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:25 PM
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You'll note the men with strong preferences ignored the stated identical nature of the women in favor of imposing their assumptions of character on the basis of dating history right? And that the men who took your question at face value refused to pick and called the question stupid? I mean hey if you want to collect meaningless data about a meaningless question and draw some meaningless conclusions from it be my guest, but for anything even approaching academic rigor (lol academic rigor on redd…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:24 PM
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The problem is her experiment is set up with such a detachment from the real world implications of these behaviors so as to render any answer worthless. Men care about how the feature she is trying to measure impacts results. If both women are otherwise identical and have no red flags then there is no difference in result so there is no reason to favor one or the other at all. Realistically these women would have made different decisions because they are different people with different potential…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:20 PM
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I get what you are trying to control for, but it makes this a completely pointless hypothetical. You think that if you present two almost identical women, one divorced and one never married, that you're getting a man's view on how divorce affects a woman's value, but you really aren't. The problem is that men aren't actually selecting for the divorced or not divorced woman based on any feature intrinsic to divorce itself. Any such judgement would be made based on the signals about the person's c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:11 PM
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That makes this an incredibly stupid hypothetical. At that point it isn't a choice. She may think she is controlling for men's feelings about divorced women, but the thing is that a divorced woman compared to a woman who has never divorced are unlikely to be the same. Divorce sends signals as does the decision to hook up and not to marry. To suggest that the only difference between these women is their relationship status is to play make believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:56 PM
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You're older. Younger generations are vastly more neurotic. I was in a group of folks and one dude was talking about how he was playing guitar on his aprtment balcony and some girl and her mother stopped to talk to him and the girl later handwrote him a letter offering a date. The girls in the group all accused her of being creepy (ridiculous I know). Imagine the reaction of those same young women being hit on in public by a man they don't know well if they feel a handwritten note delivered from…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:43 PM
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The number of people who see the totality of each gender's failings is vanishingly small. I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:34 PM
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I'd say it's a gray area. I knew guys who didn't want kids and were upfront with the women they were with about it and no children was agreed upon. As soon as those women got the marriage they then decided no children was a dealbreaker. She waited until there would be consequences for sticking to his guns so It was a classic bait and switch tactic. I'm not here to tell you this commenter is right about his specific situation, but I've seen women do some sneaky ass shit with this kind of thing so…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:28 PM
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Men, if you’re reading this, not all women hate you and I HIGHLY doubt most would agree to your removal from existence. Please stay with us and know you can be loved and cherished and appreciated. message me if you need anything. Look, gendered genocide is so far away it's at best a fun and unlikely hypothetical to contemplate, but I have to address this logic. It doesn't matter if most women wouldn't affirm male removal. Like most genocide it requires only the indifference of the population tow…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:03 PM
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This is where we enter murky waters because it's never obvious exactly what someone sorts into the incel category. I'm not sure the belief that sex is disparate in distribution and difficult to obtain for a certain subset of men is incel logic. To that end even one woman offering blowjobs doesn't deconstruct a broader paradigm around sex and dating. That's not quite the same as someone who has absolutely declared that no woman would ever accept him sexually. You are speaking to a particular subs…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 02:03 AM
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Saying the world doesn't exist in absolutes while true doesn't go quite as far as to totally prove your point as you might think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:45 AM
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I think you make a good point, but it's also at a cross purpose to whatever a guy may say about his predicament. Your point being valid needn't necessarily make his wrong. I'd say it isn't necessarily a case of right and wrong. Also have you considered that some men who have problems with the dating market wish to find women who aren't promiscuous to have serious relationships with? I would say that any guy coming from that perspective is certainly not invalidated by means of refusing a blowjob/…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:20 AM
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Like not every person on a diet is angry about it. Sometimes it's just a diabetic trying to make choices for their best future. Honestly I want to hear about these angry involuntary dieters. Do they bemoan the rise of health science? Is Big Lettuce trying to force salad values down their throat? Has a fat involuntary dieter ever shot up a salad bar in retribution? These are the questions that keep me up at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:11 AM
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How are you gonna suck a redditor dick? I get your broader point, but also it seems unreasonable to suggest that you've won an internet argument because you offered to suck a guys dick who may as well be hundreds of miles away, and he refused.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:07 AM
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I think a more nuanced point of discussion would be that people tend to throw the term incel at people who don't actually fit into that ideology in order to dismiss them. Anecdotally I've noticed people who bring up views that could be considered somewhat traditionally religous are sometimes compared to the Taliban or ISIS. I'd say the use of the term incel sometime resembles this kind of exaggeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:00 AM
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Honestly it's hard to say. Every now and then I see something that gives me a sense that a lot of the LTR people regardless of gender have detached from the dating and mating game.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 11:41 PM
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No no not adult industry workers, but sluts definitely. I'm right on the cusp of millenials and gen z and let me tell you that about two years under me the girls are fucking wild. I'd be happy to do the trade thing and not push for sex, but like the above commenter it appears pointless. I'm not going to pretend to treat a girl like a pure virgin when she has a high double digit body count that includes people whose names she doesn't even remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 09:58 PM
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Your first statement is an anecdote that operates at a micro level. My statement was a macro statement. Your second statement is more of the same. The crux of your misunderstanding seems to be your assumption that generalities represent black and white absolutes. They do not, and I never said they did. So I'm supposed to feel sorry for women who don't want good men on account of their antipathy toward the belief system that drives their good behavior? Let's put it this way. If one complains abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 09:28 PM
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Yeah, church isn't a good answer here. There are enough assholes in church and I'm not religious. Actually it is for a whole host of reasons, but like I said women here won't want to hear it. I'm not sure you can point at a certain subculture or place and say "hey, there are a lot of good partners", it's something you have to vet for. from middle-higher middle social class, educated, generally do not have "messy dating life", they usually have good relationships with their relatives and they hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 07:06 PM
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Well to be fair I do have an answer, but the average secular egalitarian woman that frequents this forum is not going to like hearing "church" as the place to find good men. That being said you were the one who asserted that good women do in fact exist, and I made no such claim about men. It would follow that if you're so sure that good women exist you must know something about them otherwise your assertion is just a god proposition entirely dependent on faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:57 PM
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Honestly that depends on what good means to you. I have a feeling that my definition of a good man is probably not quite the same as many women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:39 PM
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Well that's not specific enough to be helpful. If they aren't practically accessible it's irrelevant whether they exist or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:34 PM
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Where the fuck are they then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:31 PM
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Go read her replies. Her argument is carefully constructed to leave women the right to bitch about the same thing she says men can't, and to be fair as much as unconditional love is make believe, men are still going to demand it when they live in a culture that promotes ideas (not realities, that would be impossible) of unconditional love for women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 04:37 PM
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Yeah for real. Writ large it's hardly the case. She might as well say she's the primary earner in her own household as evidence of such a claim since it would be about as legitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 04:30 PM
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Well she does want open communication. From you. Because it gives her leverage and reduces her anxiety. It's more that the statement is less wholesome than generally presented.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 09:28 PM
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Yes that's a great point. Women gain power by saying yes when they are expected to say no. Men gain power by saying no when they are expected to say yes. Men can fundamentally shape a relationship dynamic by being willing to say no and leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 09:11 PM
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I'm gonna bolster OP's point here with an anecdote. I have a married friend who has a problem where his partner eats wherever in the home and then leaves the dirty dishes in that spot. They don't even make it to the sink, nevermind actually getting cleaned. This is just one example among many of her shortcomings in regard to basic adult chores. Nevertheless, she is adamant that he doesn't pull his weight in the household and she uses "you need to meet me halfway and do things 50/50" rhetoric whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 08:52 PM
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Unfortunately that's what the modern "love marriage" paradigm actually promotes. Passion, aka, lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:36 PM
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The modern man is delusional, rude, and shooting way too high. I chuckled at this. It's true, but hardly gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:33 PM
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To be fair it's true for both genders. The only part of a person that ages well are the material assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:32 PM
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I'm saying that admitting one's morals and sexual desire have no relationship isn't difficult. What people have a hard time with is that a conscious comparison of the two leaves you with an obvious answer to which you should behave by. People intentionally refuse to acknowledge the amoral nature of their sexuality precisely because it would prevent them from expressing that sexuality free of moral considerations. The irony is that the person who refuses to consciously separate the two is the one…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:59 PM
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Idk. If I listed my friends from most to least misogynistic and then from most to least successful with women the lists are almost identical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:52 PM
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Not contributing anything of substance in a debate sub is actually worse than contributing something substantially stupid. Food for thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:38 PM
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There's an art to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:35 PM
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You've overlooked the possibility that many women are just stupid and easy to manipulate. Once you know what buttons to press it's really easy to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:28 PM
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It's tough to admit that your sexual preferences are orthogonal to your sense of morality. You know... a lot of people say that, but I just don't get it. I have no problem admitting my sexual urges may be at odds with my morality. Admitting it forces me to choose what's right over what's self serving. In my honest opinion people who refuse to separate the two are just implicitly elevating their sexual desire above any moral code. It's not difficult to admit to such an incongruity so much as it p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:22 PM
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It turns out on closer inspection we agree far more than not. In my observation the orthodox of the great faiths tend to come to many of the same or similar conclusions about the nature of human virtue and prescriptions for human behavior. To me any of these are good choices as they reveal many universals of the human experience, but as someone who grew up in a western society permeated with Christian influences that is the religion whose syntax I have the easiest time broaching. We would genera…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 09:32 PM
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Women make the complaint I originally made as it pertains to there own interests all day and then turn around and tell men they have to play by different rules. An example "Expecting me to be chaste and obedient when you aren't is a double standard. I'm not defined by normative gender roles so you can't judge me that way. You're a misogynist." "How dare you not be stoic and servile. What a pathetic man. If you cannot live up to your role then one can find no use for you." Transparently I agree t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:51 PM
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I'm a dude and honestly think women are way more like overgrown ill disciplined children than men are (and that the commenter you responded to is projecting), but you'd have to be blind to not notice these among other generalizations being stated repeatedly in this sub. A more interesting question I posed to one of the mods is why are women allowed to post CMVs without having to seriously engage with commenters, and why are women allowed to agree with OP's CMV in top level comments rather than u…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:28 PM
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The plot twist in the gender debate is that women's secretly held right to intense arousal is at the root of the women's movement. The earliest women's advocates were primarily focused on issues of women's arousal. Try giving a woman today advice about how to avoid fuckboys. The response will invariably be, "I'm not doing that because I'm horny and entitled to hot sex." They're only interested in avoiding fuckboys until they learn they have to close their legs to succeed at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:10 PM
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If such views were applied consistently it would be a fair world view. Normally women reserve the protestations of my original comment for themselves while maintaining that men must simply conform. If you accept male double standards about women then I accept yours, but I highly doubt that's the case
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:04 PM
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Since you're a mod here I gotta ask. Do the CMV rules just not apply to the women? I've noticed that many women posting CMVs who don't or barely engage with the thread don't have their posts removed, and that nobody seems to be enforcing the rules for top level comments agreeing with the OP. What's up with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:01 PM
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To be fair men say that about women all day here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:46 PM
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For real. Never once in the entirety of youth was I ever encouraged to approach women. I was repeatedly lectured about not bothering them or making their neurotic selves uncomfortable in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:44 PM
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You make a great point. The issue is that women use their "man's life" benefits to compare themselves to those men they could potentially have relationships with; a sort of "must be this tall to ride" kind of thing. This makes it harder for the men to compete for women while not actually benefitting the woman's long term reproductive goals anyway. That being said it's hard to sympathize with women in this situation because they demanded the social environment they find themselves in.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:32 PM
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No it comes from male disposability which is a biological practicality and has been practiced for all of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:25 PM
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You're right. What you are describing is actually called misandry with a nice helping of double standard. "I don't generally hate sketchy behaviors, but when black people do it then I have problem." That's what you sound like..
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:24 PM
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You've confused the kind of complaints with the magnitude of truth. If you aren't among the youth you won't see what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:40 PM
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A more interesting point of debate is to what degree do we need to punish people, for how long, and over an offense of what calibre. It seems to me that we punish people severely and perpetually for stuff that is often trivial or poorly established. Now I'm not weighing in on Batali as I know little to nothing about him, but it seems that these might be the terms of a reasonable debate about the kind of issue OP has chosen to use this celbrity chef as a poster boy for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:26 PM
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Today I learned that the expectation of evidence based claims is autistic. Assuming that statement were true I'm pretty sure it makes the ladies around here retarded though. 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:20 PM
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Same here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:02 PM
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This is a good point about men in this regard as well as people in general. I really agree that a lot of folks miss that the whining and doing nothing normally comes at the end of the trajectory, almost like the echo of a stone hitting rock bottom of an empty well. The thing is that the stone had to be free falling in relative silence for some time to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:20 PM
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There are serious generation gap issues to be contended with. The younger women are more shallow and entitled. The younger men are also less well prepared for that challenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:11 PM
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Other people made a point, but this is the one you chose to respond to...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:56 PM
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Or that a million people are rummaging through the stack to find those few needles
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:30 PM
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You missed the point. The pump and dump isn't valuable to most women. We agree on that. The ability or opportunity to be pumped and dumped correlates with the ability to gain male attention though, and somewhere among the men paying attention are guys who want something more genuine than a pump and dump, including mister right. If a woman's ability to leverage sex appeal in this way increases both her opportunities for casual sex (at a large scale and valueless to her) and for meaningful relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:40 PM
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Yes. Women have very strong and specific societal messaging around beauty that has existed for generations. Not only is there more beauty advice out there for women but they are more likely to know an older woman or friend in youth who may transmit some of this wisdom and turn them on to the source. Many men don't have that, and then later in life when they are starting to want to look for a woman they find they don't have a style or that just being "not a blob" doesn't cut it in the physical fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:26 PM
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It's intuitive to be clean looking. What degree and kind of styling is expected is not necessarily intuitive in a world where many are told that basic hygiene is a path to success.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 09:44 PM
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Idk if you've actually dated much, but you'll find that unless you're some combination of quite unpleasant and quite physically unattractive you have the leverage to avoid any 50/50 split.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:26 PM
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I think you're probably right about this. Men could use some help. I think the way they are currently socialized leaves them without an understanding of male beauty expectations until it's too late for many of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:24 PM
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Lying about being a hoe is not working within the rules that men desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:50 PM
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Unless you're a dude it's women on this sub, but if that was an incorrect assumption my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:46 PM
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Been there too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:39 PM
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And y'all wonder why men don't like you so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:37 PM
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Skinny men are viewed as lacking in the masculinity department. Fat women lack in femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:05 PM
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Men’s and women’s reproduction works differently so they have different reproductive goals and risks. Women bear the majority of risk and cost of a pregnancy, so getting pregnant (and by extension, having sex) with a man who won’t stick around is a loss. Men now have to worry about paying child support, but this isn’t something ingrained in their minds from an evolutionary perspective, which is quite evident from their behavior. So to them subconsciously, there is no inherent risk in knocking up…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:42 PM
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To the extent that attraction extends well beyond the physical (for women especially though men as well) one need only look at the difference between attractive men and unattractive men in reproductive terms and the difference between attractive and unattractive women in reproductive terms to see that men have no built in floor. The gap between men is night and day. Between women it's minimal. When comparing less appealing mates across genders you'll find that mentally ill women reproduce much m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:04 PM
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Women are wrong for being sluts, but also priviliged for having so much opportunity to behave as sluts, and entitled for not appreciating it Hedge fund managers are wrong for embezzling money, but also privileged for being in a position to handle and reap the rewards of all that money, and are entitled if they don't appreciate the benefits of holding that position (even accounting for the burden of responsibility). We do agree that they are not expected to handle the money of any old deadbeat. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:54 PM
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The two have a relationship though. Women with more legitimate options have more undesirable pump and dump suitors as well. The women with less legitimate options have less pump and dump suitors. Expanding the pool of male interest increases the odds of finding your needle in the haystack ergo there is a correlation to the ability to be pumped and dumped (whether desired or not) and the potential to find a desirable mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:31 PM
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I've known some really ugly women. They had a rough go of dating, and it took them longer than most, but they did find men whose interest they held.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:26 PM
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Even the people that are completely against God, family and tradition are disgruntled and unhappy but they continue blaming stuff that is decades gone like patriarchy as a form of cope even though it’s the weakest it’s ever been For real. I'm tired of stupid secular activist ideologues pretending we live in a mishmash of 1950 and 1850.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 01:09 PM
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I'm not sure we can just lay it at the feet of stupidity. People have a psychological disposition to be self centered and engage in confirmation bias. To the extent that the majority of people are not cognitively challenged, but still display basic shortcomings in critical thinking I'd say the problem likely runs deeper than just idiots (even if this sub disproportionately selects for idiots).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 04:38 PM
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It isn't that hard to learn about the new reality with an open mind and some Internet reading or podcast listening. It may not be hard to learn, but most people of all ages aren't interested in learning through a clash of world views so much as proving their pet view correct (and possibly denigrating others in the process).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 04:25 PM
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You want an honest to god answer? It's because there are no significant social consequences to fucking men over in this sphere. A fatherless child who is inadequately cared for becomes society's problem. A cuck just dies with his genetic line.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 11:37 PM
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You sound like a wonderful friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 11:34 PM
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I figured you weren't. Sixty year old women deal with it. The younger ones worry about it. I said it out of impulse but I don’t actually feel like “fuck men”. It's a common enough sentiment among reproductive aged women these days that I'd expect most guys to take it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 09:08 PM
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Sad to hear you say that, but I also understand it from the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 07:17 PM
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Yes, but men experience the emotional component of romance the way women experience sexuality. Most women will only ever find a tiny handful of men who sexually satisfy her in spite of the plethora of men who can be sexually aroused by her. Most men will only ever find a tiny handful of women who emotionally satisfy him even if he has a plethora of women who can be emotionally aroused by him. So the answer is yes with the huge caveat that the woman has to be out of this world awesome in his eyes…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:51 PM
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Men and women both experience those things. The difference between us is that men actually recognize those as signs of horniness stripped of the romantic mythology women attach to it. From the male perspective becoming aroused is not a reward. It's just a constant irritation in need of urgent resolution, a mundane fact of life. Getting rid of that feeling is the reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:45 PM
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Because if people decided for themselves in relationship to themselves whether they were privileged or not then nobody anywhere is, would ever be, or ever has been privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 06:33 PM
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Compromise was something you seemed not entirely against. Compromise involves multiple parties making a sacrifice. Giving up literally anything is a sacrifice. If you would give nothing then you can't maintain an honest stance on your willingness to compromise. As to government mandated relationships I don't support them, nevertheless at least be wary that many views which do not constitute government mandated relationships (such as culturally enforced monogomy) tend to be misrepresented by a no…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:56 PM
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Idk what specifically the poster you responded to was advocating for, but the literal statement that being categorically against anything which would make women worse off in any way or to any degree is identical with being categorically against compromise of any kind. The difference between a satisfactory compromise and the open violation of so called human rights is a matter of magnitude rather than a distinction in kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:35 PM
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Feminism is not egalitarianism. I'm assuming you're confusing the two. Nope. That's just demonstrably false. I can't even imagine where you got that idea. Maybe from some philosophers who've tackled some of the hard realities of human existence. Maybe from a history book that shows egalitarianism to be less than adaptive more often than not. Definitely didn't get it from some pie in sky idealist though. Egalitarianism is at best an aspiration and never at any point is it intrinsically valuable. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:10 PM
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The stereotypes aren't pulled out of peoples buttholes. If anything it's the reverse. So the stereotypes go in people's buttholes? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:39 PM
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You are full of assumptions about men, women, and me personally none of which are broadly true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:35 PM
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The same could be said of any thirty plus year old woman who found those men undesirable in youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:27 PM
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You are confusing an explanation of the massive burden of performance placed on men, and its relationship to women's expectation that men bear the primary burden of responsibility in most spheres with antipathy toward women. If you'd care to draw the causal link for me than please do so because I'm not seeing how observing reality is synonymous with hating women. It strikes me as more likely that you found my observation to be an unflattering one about women and concluded that only a woman hater…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:23 PM
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So you're just okay with that? Is it that you don't believe that such an outcome is a realistic possibility? Something else perhaps?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:06 PM
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Do I have to spell it out for you? Rape. Subjugation. Authoritarianism. Go read a history book.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:58 PM
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I don't know where you got the idea that I or men writ large hate women. Or for that matter the notion that I am obsessing over this. You are just chock full of fallacious assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:56 PM
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I've done that my whole life out of pure instinct. Women like me fine. The one's I date really fucking like me. My friends who don't do it get cheated on. Just say you don't understand the dynamic of the sexes and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:44 PM
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This doesn't seem like a good faith response to the point. You suggested something good would come of putting his head down through his twenties. Most men don't find what's available down the road to be good or desirable. Complaining really has nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:41 PM
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You missed my point. When negotiations end is when the war begins and as the say all is fair in love and war.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:38 PM
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Egalitarianism is what created this problem in the first place. Nobody is or can actually be an egalitarian. Most are just scumbags demanding equality for themselves and none for others. I've never met more openly selfish, double standard holding, sexist, hypocrites than in a crowd of self proclaimed gender egalitarians.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:33 PM
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Circular reasoning. The epitome of an intellectual mind 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:19 PM
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It’s your own responsibility to do what’s necessary to get the outcome you want. You won't like what guys are gonna do. This is like when I talk to hardcore gun advocates. I tell them that if they want an amicable agreement on firearms in the United States which is different than what gun control advocates push then they need to come up with some better solutions which they find palatable. The alternative is the eventual demise of their gun rights altogether. In almost all situations you lose mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:16 PM
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Men are less interested in forcing their partners to live up to socio cultural prescriptions on average than women are of their partners. If the expectation has little to do with biology men aren't so attached to it and nails fall into that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:11 PM
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Yeah it's always fun to observe how selfish gendered perspective cause conservative men to become sexual marxists and liberal women to become far right austerity/eugenics supporting radicals when these issues come up. It really shows just how narcissistic and cognitively defective the west has become.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:09 PM
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We already opened Pandoras box on this one. Once you hand absolute autonomy to people they rapidly become selfish and petulant children. The one and only way to reset a societies cultural norms involves authoritarian methods in hand with traditional religious values, not unlike the means by which you raise a bratty child into a decent adult. This of course violates the one highest value in our society; the cult of the autonomous individual or more aptly the valorization of the mindset possessed …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:04 PM
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This idea is lost to the world of modern parenting. The current trends exist to assuage the parents anxiety and possibly give them a quick dopamine fix (helicopter and lawnmower parenting) rather than to set up the child for a successful future. As a personal example I was allowed to go nowhere, do nothing, experiment with nothing (because my parents were cheap not because they couldn't afford to let me develop a style), take no risks etc. I'm now their only child who is even capable of independ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 05:55 PM
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Not really. Compromise is the key to a functioning society and it demands sacrifice from all involved. If you are categorically against making any sacrifice then you are categorically against any satisfactory compromise. It's a bit absurd to expect men to compromise for your wellbeing when you so obviously do not reciprocate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 05:32 PM
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You are confusing fault with responsibility. Responsibility should be distributed within reason, but it doesn't intrinsically belong to any party. Whomever chooses to reject responsibility has left it to the other partner with that partner either picking it up or leaving it themselves. In most situations that involve a man and a woman, the woman looks to the man to pick up the primary burden of responsibility. At a practical level what she said is exactly how it works more often than not. I can'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 04:47 PM
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That's what she described as her ideal scenario though. The man should carry the primary burden of leadership. What the poster you responded to said is the underlying implication of that desire. As a dude who naturally gravitates into that roll I can tell you it is absolutely way more responsibility and work to lead than follow and women mostly want nothing to do with it. Many young women won't even communicate with you about their expectations. Sex as a man in the style that a woman seeks which…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:55 PM
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To be fair, to the degree that a lot of men are easily unmoved by social pressures it's understandable that they would register such an obsession as stupidity and craziness. That being said I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:51 PM
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Go look up porn addiction on a porn website, look at what people are watching, how they interact with content and, to the extent that it can be ascertained, what their religois beliefs are. You might be shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:47 PM
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One of the key tenets of many strains of marxist feminism is the belief that women can only be emancipated from the patrarchal oppression of men by reforming the family structure to include women and children exclusively. It's why they support welfare programs that allow a woman to become a single mother because otherwise she might feel obligated to find a man to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:45 PM
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Standards for men have changed, but only in the sense that they've been added to. As you correctly observed modern ideas of the atomic, autonomous individual have driven women to have the responsibilities of men dropped on them in addition to the ones they already had. Men are actually in the same boat as you in this regard. You have to be as capable as a man while still exuding femininity, and I have to do everything ever expected of a man and be capable of sliding into feminine roles all witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:34 PM
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It's unflattering. There is a common idea that women are more wholesome and less shallow then men and acknowledging that the halo effect is as prevalent among women as men doesn't uphold our zeitgeist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:13 PM
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Saying they want a bangmaid is really reducing their desires to the most insulting surface level. Thanks for noticing. It feels very dehumanizing to describe in great detail and nuance what you've been seeking and have it reduced to that. Some understanding is most appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:09 PM
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That this call is faint if it exists at all circles back to why men are not as together as women. Very poignant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:05 PM
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I have a dad who was there. My parent's marriage as a successful relationship puts more than nine out of ten marriages to shame. I've seen countless marriages and the outcomes for children involved. I've witnessed my peers engage in relationships with various dynamics. What I just told you is more or less how these relationship dynamics play out as it pertains to the children. Y'all can complain and point fingers or get on board with the solution. The choice is yours, but don't expect a differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 08:57 PM
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In many cases these young men have dads who are doormats for the wife. Young men have a goal of becoming reproductively viable adults and a man who is easily walked on by a woman is not a man that any woman will take seriously in the mating market or treat respectfully in a relationship. Obviously one might say how did dad reproduce then? He wasn't like this at first. Many women make men into pygmalion projects and gradually the man stoops to taking the path of least resistance in the relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 08:32 PM
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Long term reproductive success as a product of raising kids that are actually yours at the expense of your base sexual desires is a prime example of delayed gratification which is a sign of strong evolutionary fitness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 06:42 AM
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If you didn't understand what I said and are still insisting on interpreting it as based on legal statutes in spite of my clear statements on the matter then you don't want to understand. There was no intentional vagueness on my part, only willful ignorance on yours
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 09:39 PM
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You might say that he is pointing out the reality whereby we fail to actually reward men (and to a lesser extent women) who do responsible things, and simultaneously alleviate the consequences of irresponsible behavior for both genders. The larger social consequence is that the irresponsible are rewarded by default while the responsible are at best ignored if not punished (by having to pick up the burden of the irresponsible for no reward). In the absence of prosocial incentives based on reward …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:28 PM
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Enforced monogomy is a practice by which a man can take only one mate. Monogomy is the normative reproductive practice in all societies, but many societies allow wealthy men to create harems. This allows a deleterious effect by which you produce many directionless and consequently dangerous young men with no romantic prospects and enable women to social climb infinitely (after all the top guy is never actually "taken"). What follows is men who become violent and women who can't get baby daddy to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:16 PM
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I'm not sure I would call this a wall, but it's certainly a comparable phenomenon. That being said I don't think guys are falling behind because they waste their time with red pill content so much as their life circumstances and/or choices have caused them to fall behind which draws them to red pill content. Truthfully I believe many guys who have fallen behind have this issue because of stifling family environments. If you are unfortunate enough to be a male growing up in a household environmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:07 PM
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It isn't sharing. For the numbers to add up virtually every woman would have to be sharing a man. No statistical analysis ever shows everyone doing the same thing. It's more likely that a healthy number of them are lying about being in a relationship, first to themselves and by extension the data collectors.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:49 PM
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Women can command as much as they want from men with no self respect. Any self respecting man holds the attitude you responded to. Don't confuse your ability to play simps with being able to command desirable attention in the dating market. It's why so many of y'all get so upset when the men you want don't offer you whatever you're used to getting easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:32 PM
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Jokes about all types of people can be funny. Why are nun jokes inherently disrespectful? I can respect nuns and still laugh at a good a joke. Nun porn generically appeals to the idea of violation more so than being targeted as anti nun. Also at some more twisted level it taps into notions of spirituality through sexual ecstasy. If you believe in hypersexual esotericism the whore becomes the madonna and is worshipped as a conduit to divinity. No modern orthodoxy of any major religion operates th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 02:24 PM
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Single women live for themselves, and nuns live for others. Selflessness is a virtue and selfishness is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:56 PM
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our platonic relationships are very romantic in a way. That's why women like platonic friends and many men don't. Romantic and without sex just don't compute for a dude, and as much as women want to facetiously suggest buttfucking each other, men's sexuality is most commonly non fluid or perhaps more accurately engaging any fluidity often comes with mental and emotional damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:33 PM
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for example, born again virgins are actually expected to clean up their behavior and mentality going forward* This makes sense. The part where you said there are women who think they get to have a man with very high material and moral value to go with it sounds delusional to me. If they walked the walk they don't deserve trash, but let's be real. High expectations in this scenario are like a reformed convict expecting to become the toast of the town. Good for him but also get over yourself. I gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:27 PM
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They have found happiness in their single life, and any potential partner has to compete against said peace and content. This is true for anybody who has spent enough time figuring out how to be single. If I can live the way I do now then why do I need you? I really don't think that's gendered albeit women probably have an easier time answering men to some degree. They are leveraging their social legitimacy value, which actual increase the wilder their past was. Her increased wisdom, maturity, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:03 PM
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Who said anything personal about seeking women on my own behalf? Where would you ever get the idea that anyone comes to debate subs to get pussy? Who said I was trying to transform women? Some people (however few) wish to use these subs to learn something new and hear other views. I offer views that are thoroughly explained. Also who says I give bad sex? 😏
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 03:00 PM
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Yes actually. If we bring some nuance we might recognize that in both scenarios there are a subset who did intentionally manipulate and take advantage of the other person, but it's deeply immature and reductive to assume that all such situations must have a villain when the reality is that most don't. Now that doesn't mean we can't discuss the macro problems of each genders dating strategies and requirements and what sort of impacts they have on the opposite sex, but these conversations normally…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 12:09 PM
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A great many women need a villain in order to feel like it's acceptable to be upset about something. It's a psychological self defense mechanism that when over indulged turns into malignant selfishness. It's really not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:38 AM
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We're just fucked no matter what we do according to you. Stop caring what women think dude. The opinion of an irrational, hypocritical person shouldn't be your focus so much as how you are going to get what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:38 PM
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It's why they are all so upset we don't give out friendship like candy on Halloween 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:53 PM
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But women feeling entitled to friendship is rarely acknowledged and its been getting worse from what I've seen. For real. There are women who feel entitled to men sticking around and committing because they had sex which is already a bit much if understandable, but this shit is a whole other level when I see them essentially saying that if I bother to talk to them in a friendly fashion I'm now obligated to forver stick around and help with their life. It's like a one sided marriage contract is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:24 PM
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No. Four is not possible unless "some" means statistical zero (something like 1 in a billion). Groom yourself This is common sense. Guys don't find this advice useful. In fact it's routinely mocked as lazy advice because it's so obvious to everyone. Don't stare too long Also common sense. Even animals know this intuitively. Don't approach from behind This isn't common advice. Also fear is an aphrodisiac and a sign of a dominant man. If you aren't a complete stranger approaching from behind is ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:35 AM
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Your core premise relies on the assumption that if women stopped giving advice then the subsets of men who create hurdles for you would drastically decrease in size. That means it isn't enough that point one and two are true unless they are overwhelmingly true for critical mass of men. Furthermore the only group of men under point three who have a high chance of having followed women's advice are incels (this is likely a major reason why they are incels), a group who are falsely labeled as a hur…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:25 PM
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Women have not given dating advice online before? Sure, but most guys aren't operating off of your advice nor could I construct a coherent playbook based on the kinds of advice women often give. For example, how do I make a playbook out of "every woman is different?" That advice is inimical to systematizing and actively discourages it in and of itself. Has there ever been any man who has taken dating advice from women ever? Absolutely, but that would hardly be sufficient to prove your point. Let…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:10 PM
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This would have been more difficult had we not published the playbook for them to follow in the first place. You didn't publish the playbook. Men who figured it out for themselves published it for other men. Your take is wrong because it has no relationship to how the vast majority of men learn about and approach dating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:18 PM
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act like it's misinformation, and they could never do such a thing. That's a key part of the strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:14 PM
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I would like to also point out that this example doesn't accurately map. In this case the woman actually extracted something from the man in return for nothing. In the case women complain about, the guy just wanted something sexual and/or romantic. He didn't take it and then tell her he doesn't want to be her friend. In your example the man lost something he had. In the situation we are really discussing the woman didn't actually lose anything. Your example is best compared to a pump and dump, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:00 PM
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You literally are describing the reason men walk away from these platonic relationships. You are now making my point for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:54 PM
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I think a woman blowing me is a reward too, but she probably doesn't feel the same way about the value being exchanged there. Obviously, as a gentleman I consider what she values rather than fixating on what I think is so fantastic. If you are having problems with friendships then considering the views and feelings of others rather than your own might be helpful for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:29 PM
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I get most guys are just going to say no for the sake of it, They are going to say no because that's how they feel. Stop assuming people have ulterior motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:25 PM
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Are you not disappointed for the now lack of relationships just because he wanted sex from you? Sure I would be sad, but if I truly valued him as a friend I would want him to make a decision that spares him pain and allows him to find what he's seeking Are you not offended that he doesn’t value as anything more than a hole? Who said this situation proves that? He might have valued me tremendously, as more than just a butthole, to the point where he wanted the whole package. Romance, love, gay bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:24 PM
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What men get back is a friend. What you don't understand about platonic opposite sex relationships is that they are very frequently one sided. Women have great expectations of friends. Being a man is an experience where everyone expects much from you, so female friendship is often just another person who you have to do labor for, or more simply it isn't really a reward. The beauty of friendships between men is that they are the only place in a man's life where he can be in a social dynamic in wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:12 PM
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If your best friend was gay and suddenly ghosted you because you didn’t want to have sex with him would you not feel a bit offended? No. Most guys are going to say no to this question. If he has needs that I cannot or will not meet, and he feels that a lesser relationship without that fulfillment will be more detrimental than beneficial to him then he is being perfectly reasonable and I respect his decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:51 PM
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This is a fair and nuanced take. The issue seem to be that when this topic is discussed in the abstract people take completely black and white views of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:38 PM
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Nope. It's literally just tool for moving goods and distributing services. People with overly individualistic ideas of morality (moral relativism, the individual reigns supreme) use it that way. Go learn about some famous capitalists. You'll see the previous generations gave back and did for the group in spite of their other shortcomings. That's a product of a different morality that no longer exists in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:01 PM
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So you don't understand what capitalism even is. That's common among people who want to blame everything on capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:45 PM
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Everyone out for themselves This is actually the logical end point of liberalism, not capitalism or competition. Competition and markets grow out of biological fundaments and exist in every civilization. The cult of the individual does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:41 PM
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Yeah I'm not even trying to put anybody down. I just honestly have never seen the woman who said she was done with men for whom I found myself thinking, "wow that's so sad, I'd appreciate a gal like her." I do feel bad for a lot of women in that position, but I don't feel like I or anybody else is missing out on anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:16 PM
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incompetent, immature and annoying, but it is not a trait of women, it is a trait of current culture I agree with this, but it's worth noting that our culture is characterized by feminine predispositions and norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:13 PM
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Its capitalism most likely, that does this. It isn't capitalism. It's the morals (or more accurately lack thereof) we use to interact with the capitalist system.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:02 PM
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Those of us left who do the things you claim men don't do, you will never find. Because we avoid misandrists. Bingo. I made the choice to be the moral and upstanding man of yesteryear and have been shit all over from every side for it. Anything short of the traditional woman will not repay me the suffering I've dealt with to be the man whose existence they crave and deny. So many misandrist women open their mouths and the stupidity that comes out removes themselves from that type of guy's relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:35 PM
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When she could have someone like you that would pay for her. A lot of women can't have that. You only get it if men view you as worthy of it. Many of us don't view most modern women as worthy, so we reserve genuinely desirable behavior for genuinely desirable women. Honestly if this is a problem you are encountering in your own life maybe you should consider that you may be the undesirable one in your relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:29 PM
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Ikr 😂 These claims have been widely debunked yet for some reason they still make their rounds even in the academy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:27 PM
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Compared to what, Ah, one of the most important questions that unfortunately rarely gets asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:25 PM
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That's the reality of hookup culture. Go take a deep dive. You'll find that sex writ large is common and fairly equitably distributed in monogamy cultures and uncommon and disproportionately distributed in promiscuity culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:23 PM
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Honestly the women I've seen saying this are doing guys a favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 05:59 PM
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Look I'm done with this topic. I haven't advocated for a test and nobody has taken what I've said in good faith. If you won't respond to what I actually said then there is nothing more to bother with here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:15 AM
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Within the context of this thread, OPs method is a shit test I'm endlessly amazed at how people can read down a thread and respond without following the chain of conversation in the thread. OP's shit test hasn't been the primary topic since my first response to the top level comment. The topic immediately shifted to why men like OP come up with stupid ideas like that, and what women can do about it. If you have constructed an alternative reality that is not based in reality, there's no way I can…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:15 PM
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Shit testing is a case of 'play stupid games, win stupid prizes'. Not all methods are shit tests. The most effective indicators men need to look out for are merely observational. Women don't like this either, but they never know so it's irrelevant. I think that this is a phantom. Okay. A claim with neither explanation or evidence. You're free to think whatever you want, but I can't interact with something this thin unless you are looking for an "uh-huh, nuh-uh" kind of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:00 PM
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I don't speak irrelevant gibberish. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:28 PM
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A yes. All three women in the universe have spoken. We now know. 🙄 Look lady you are obviously dumb as a brick if you think three people saying something proves anything. I don't enjoy conversations with imbeciles so please stop bothering me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:13 PM
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this isn’t in my best interest. It actually is, but I'm not going to convince you of that. or god forbid, actually having sex with only 1 person in our lives lol). This is why it doesn't benefit you. Because you wanted to be promiscuous. My advice isn't for you because you aren't different from the kind guys try to avoid. What is in my best interest is for the woman’s place in the society to become more elevated than it currently is. Lopsided gender dynamics are not in the best interest of eithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:53 PM
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If you want to proselytize a religion go somewhere else. Your feminist dogma couldn't be further from the truth and it makes you a complete waste of time to interact with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:39 PM
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Even if we wanted to, women are not a monolith, we can’t collectively decide a certain course of action and force each and every one to follow. I didn't say you could police other women. I said you can differentiate yourself from other women. We wouldn’t keep dating someone who tried to push for sex, especially on the first date Nowhere have you seen me argue in favor of OPs strategy. Talk to the person in front of you about what they actually said. Even if we really wanted to have sex with him …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:36 PM
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Women are loved on the condition of providing sex. Not on having a uterus. Because sex and uteri have nothing to do with one another. 🙄 Women were oppressed and kept under control for having a uterus. It’s why they weren’t allowed in public life in the past and still aren’t in many cultures. To ensure their children belong to their husband. This is just feminist claptrap. If you like mythology I recommend Mongolian mythology. It's a much more enjoyable fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:07 PM
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Gotta agree with this one. If I made two lists if the men I know, one from most to least misogynistic and one from most to least successful with women they'd be practically identical. What I see a lot of is women being burned by these guys and then using the guys they normally ignore as a punching bag for their frustrations with men. The way we've balkanized sex and gender reminds me of the social dynamic in the antebellum south.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:26 PM
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And my point (the one she missed) was for women who are offended by his strategy (which I explicitly did not endorse). If promiscuous and non promiscuous women blend in with each other then men will resort to a variety of measures to tell the two apart, some functional, some not, all offensive to women. Women can avoid dealing with his by clearly delineating the two groups. Ironically it's the chaste women who have been convinced to not differebtiate themselves. The sluts always have and always …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:27 PM
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Somehow you can type English, but reading it is still a struggle for you....
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:20 PM
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I didn't argue that OP has the best test. I explicitly said otherwise. I argued that if women don't want to be caught up in these stupid tests then they should create clear boundaries between the "sluts" and the "nice girls." Alternatively they can complain about it and do nothing which will lead to them being caught up in men's games.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:19 PM
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That's a promiscuous woman. Which as you said is common. My point exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:33 PM
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Why don’t you just wait for the pictures to become more clear rather than trying to make a split second judgement? Who said anything about split second judgement? If anything I'm slow to judgement as I confine judgement to the empirical in lieu of vibes. The issue is that the picture is intentionally blurry. When women who would never cheat defend the justifications of cheaters the picture becomes blurry. When women who don't believe in promiscuity defend promiscuity the picture becomes blurry. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:53 PM
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Absolutely. Women are out to selfishly get theirs without admitting to themselves that's what they are doing. The damage they do along the way is just incidental. The Great Gatsby is actually a fantastic book in which this idea features prominently. At any rate the damage that is done is done regardless of intent. Hitting a pedestrian by accident doesn't get you off; it just gets you a manslaughter charge. The big difference between men and women is that men will fuck you over with the knowledge…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:22 PM
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you don't need to listen to my argument You didn't make one. some irrelevant red pilled nonsense. Not red pill. Also highly relevant to what you said. I don't care what like you or OP want. I never said anything about who I am or what I want. I don't date people like you You don't know anything about me because I'm not making this whole thing personal, but that being said it's a tad presumptuous of you to assume I'd want someone so obviously dimwitted and emotionally frail. You're projecting her…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:11 PM
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You're saying women need to bend over backwards to prove their not whores If you think making who you are apparent to a potential suitor is bending over backward you must be either very lazy or incompetent at small tasks. That's not even what the post is about and it has nothing to do with what I said either. What you said was that you don't want to deal with men who do what OP said he does. I offered you an alternative to clear up confusion on the part of men who themselves are vetting for wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:26 PM
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Bingo. We have a winner. Women don't lie to us. They lie to themselves. We are just collateral damage along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:16 PM
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You obviously have a reading comprehension problem if that's what you took away from my comment, but yeah I'm the ignorant dolt here 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:04 PM
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You missed the point. You don't like his strategy? Fair enough. If you want to preempt men from pursuing stupid strategies to differentiate between easy women and relationship women then do the differentiating for him. Women today refuse to do this and then complain about guys like OP. My sympathy for y'all disappears when you expect men to tell the difference between two intentionally blurry pictures using only absolutely ethical methods which those pictures are designed to confuse, or as Dave …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:00 PM
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You're not making an important distinction here. Women want men who are taller than them. Men tend to not care about height so much at a conscious level, however you try living life as man who isn't absurdly tall and you'll be inundated with messaging (from women) about how important height is. Being taller than her is requirement and less is a dealbreaker. Most men have been told (by women) since they were first a pubescent boy that women have no interest in men shorter than themselves. Just be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:46 PM
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That's fair, but then the onus is on you to be able to show that you aren't/weren't that kind of woman. While the OP's strategy is not one I pursue it does make some sense. Unfortunately we live in a culture that makes it easy for loose women to blend into the crowd, and many of them are perfectly willing to lie to a man about their proclivities if it gets them the relationship they desire. Maybe to say it simply if women want to treated as an individual rather than a collective they must become…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:28 PM
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men have only recently started expressing what they actually want from women besides quietness, sex, and housework Try reading some great works of literature. Maybe watch a great old school movie. Maybe read excerpts from a religious text. What men want from women is and has been everywhere. A woman need only be willing to open her eyes. Men haven't just recently started talking. We just recently lived in a society that told men what we want isn't acceptable and for some reason told women that r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:34 PM
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I'm talking about how men talk to each other The things men complain about in public spaces where women can hear have nothing to do with those expectations whatsoever. Bad wife jokes are about annoying nagging that wives do, not about her silence or subservience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:28 PM
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Women are loved conditionally on the basis of having a uterus which they have by default. Men are unique in that we are loved only for something outside of us in its entirety. Maybe being valued as a reproductive vessel isn't glamorous, but it does provide a valuation floor which men don't have. One could say this proverb isn't technically correct about the conditions, but it is correct to draw a unique distinction between how men access love versus the other listed groups
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:53 PM
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Where the fuck are you seeing the message of be quiet, subservient, and sexually receptive being pushed in today's society? I've seen nothing but the opposite and to take it a step further when I've been around people from traditional backgrounds their messaging doesn't even reflect this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:08 PM
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You've described the negative feedback loop we find ourselves in. Of course men don't really love women who are there for what they provide. As a PSA to all the ladies if you wait at the finish line like a trophy then you will be traded in for a shinier trophy down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:04 PM
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Have we considered that the demise of gender norms is actually a major cause of female pickiness and male failure? If women care so much about a partner fitting into a particular box then it should follow that they'll have a harder time picking without a prescribed box and that men will have a harder time fitting into every woman's specific hyper individualized idea of what that box is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:33 PM
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If you understand the differences between men and women (what one has the other needs) then you'd understand why non romantic/sexual love is so meaningful for women and the exact opposite is the case for men. Your advice is like telling a fish out of water to just get all their oxygen from the air as if it's all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:30 PM
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Men's role hasn't changed, society just added more tasks to the list What's conspicuous about the so called "gender egalitarian movement" is that it's presented to women as a buffet of traditional and non traditional options to be selected at their convenience. In practice this means traditional roles for the man and non traditional roles for the women. Basically you hit the nail on the head. We are how expected to carry a man's burden, and pick up her burden so that she can walk free of inconve…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:27 PM
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a life without love isn’t worth living Your post has a nice sentiment, but maybe don't give this advice to people with mental health issues who belive that they will never be loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:29 PM
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As an attractive 24 year old woman who has never been turned down for sex before, This difference of experience and expectation should clear up any confusion on your part. Many men don't experience casual sex and most (including many successful ones) expect to be turned down more often then not. Because you've experienced and can consistently expect to be offered casual sex , the social validation that comes with sexual attention isn't tied to the sex directly. You know you are socio-sexually va…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:05 PM
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Loser guys are desperate for validation that they have social value. They can't get that validation from easy sex so they dismiss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:58 AM
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The only men who enjoy being reduced to utility role and nothing more are mentally ill and have no self respect. Millions of men are indeed spineless, mentally unwell losers not unlike women who stay with guys using them for nothing more than sex. Being a husband isn't a problem. Being viewed as husband material isn't a problem. Being reduced to nothing more than that is a problem, and it's more commom than women in these parts want to acknowledge. Like I've said, some of you may mean all the ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 12:30 PM
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How does a woman square her desire to express that she wants him for a lifemate in all respects -- sexual, familial, legal, etc. -- with his way of feeling it? Just listen to what they say they want, figure out what need underlies that desire, and then find a way to fulfill that need as requested or through an alternative method of your proposal which is mutually agreeable to both parties. Frankly the answers to every specific category you listed are all out there for any woman willing to listen…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 09:54 PM
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So let's set straight what a husband is and isn't. A husband isn't a forever partner. A husband is a specific role which ideally lines up with a forever partner (it's own role) . A hole is also for fufilling a specific role (and at some point ideally lines up with a forever partner). If you reduce someone to either role it isn't seeing a person in totality, which feels dehumanizing. I'm not saying that women don't feel love for husbands. I'm saying that if you can't show it to him in a way they …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 09:43 PM
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i think the hangup is that i don’t see relationships or marriage as transactional. relationships should be reciprocal but there shouldn’t be a score keep on who does what and who does this. Reciprocity is inherently transactional in spite of the absence of score keeping. The reciprocity you are describing where the transaction can remain unacknowledged and unaccounted is only possible on a basis of trust that the score won't get out of hand and would add up relatively well if totaled. This trust…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 09:30 PM
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It's a great story because of the lengths he goes to show his love for her. If all he did was just feel love without acting in a way that elicited her desire it wouldn't be much of a story at all. I'm describing reciprocity. Women just saying how they feel about a husband is not the same thing as showing love to that husband and for the practical purposes of a relationship that love has to be shown in a way that he feels it. In the same vein, all women don't necessarily feel loved just because a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 09:16 PM
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I'd be happy to clear up your confusion, but I'm not sure exactly what you're confused about. Could you be more specific?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 08:29 PM
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It is. For some reason we've allowed the female sex drive to attempt to redefine husband as synonymous with lover, soulmate etc. That's not a husband. It's a broader category under which a husband might fall, but it hardly defines what a husband is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 08:28 PM
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i think we just see marriage differently. i wouldn’t get married if i saw marriage the way you do. So let me get this straight. You wouldn't get married if you saw the basis of marriage as exchanging what your partner wants for what you want? How do you think it works? You just show up and get yours without consideration for him? The reverse where you give in return for nothing? The issue I'm getting at is that just because a woman puts a husband on a pedestal doesn't mean that the pedestilizati…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 08:26 PM
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The activity is provisioning and protecting. The sex object activity is sex and child birth/rearing. It's the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 07:50 PM
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You've missed the point. Men consider "wow, what a hot piece of ass" to be a big compliment too, but I guarantee that his view of how awesome that compliment was isn't what matters when he goes around applying it to women. Husbanding, is responsibility and hard work. Believe me men don't feel flattered when we are reduced to nothing more than the provisioning of physical and emotional goods to women and their children. Humans love others for what they do for us. We show love by what we do for ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 07:49 PM
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If his value is "husband material" that isn't being seen as a whole person unless you think husbanding is all a man is. It's exactly the same as being viewed as a sex object. It's you who evidently doesn't understand, and it's not on us to bend to how you perceive your narrowly focused desires anymore than it's on women to bend to men's narrow sexual desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 07:43 PM
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Oh we are very much on the same page about how men should set boundaries and expectations for a relationship early on, but I was under the impression that this post was about the social double standard and not whether men should or shouldn't cave to that standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:45 PM
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Blaming the dudes and criticizing the hypocritical standards aren't mutually exclusive. Like you, I blame the dudes, but I'll be fucked sideways before I let anyone tell me to blame the dudes instead of pointing out that this behavior is normalized for women and stigmatized for men. Both problems deserve acknowledgement and correction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:33 PM
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It amazes me that the women who wait at the finish line handing themselves out like trophies think they'll be treated as anything other than an object.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:08 PM
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But there’s something, I don’t know what, that separates late bloomers from femcels. I think we often underestimate how much others affect people's lives. I would venture a guess that late bloomers had someone offer them a hand at some point whether it was a friend who helped them glow up or a member of the opposite sex finally displaying attraction that dispels their misconceptions of self (or even in a tough love sense someone letting them know just how ugly they'll remain unless they fix some…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:51 PM
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I follow some psychology publications, and I can say that the whole field is an incredibly mixed bag. Some stuff is fantastic, some people are great, and others are hacks, con artists, ideologues, and imbeciles. To your point though there is most definitely a wing of psychology poisoned by feminist affirmation and blaming rhetoric. When people in a purportedly scientific field offer up "we know" statements on vague sociological concepts with no supporting data or evidence it's telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 04:14 AM
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Moving goalposts? Hardly. Your statement laid a specific behavior at the feet of men when such a behavior was neither confined to gender nor romantic relationships. You're obviously dense, but let me spell it out for you. Gendering non gendered behavior isn't productive discourse. You claimed that their reasoning can amount to nothing, but that makes no sense. If something is an issue, it cannot also amount to nothing. These two statements contradict each other. A little slow are we? No problem.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 10:21 PM
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I never said that this approach applies only to romantic relationships. You went on a whole rant about how men use this particular strategy in romantic relationships when everyone uses this strategy in all relationships. Your man focused raving in the initial comment was unnecessary. Divorce is a serious matter, and the reasons behind it are hardly ever insignificant, as you suggest. If they were insignificant, it would not be an issue to begin with. If you've never met anyone who blows stuff up…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:30 PM
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if you ever hear , "I'm doing it for myself" The one crazy chick I dated said this. We had some dispute, and I told her I appreciated something she was doing on my behalf to curb a particular negative behavior of hers that I had indicated discomfort with. She responded by telling me that she would never do anything for me and that she was "doing it for herself." She was all kinds of toxic. Definitely dark triad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:01 PM
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The one thing I learned from this whole thing is that, apparently, most of the women I've dated are "abusive." For real. I actually don't know a single man who has set these kind of boundaries for his partner, but I know many men whose partners have set these boundaries for them. Nobody speaks up in this scenario. It's generally treated as normal for a man to have to assuage a woman's insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:56 AM
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Once you've fully endorsed feminist rhetoric you realize there are no offenses a woman can commit in this ideology. The world is her oyster and all choices are available to her free of judgement, or so some believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:54 AM
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he weaponized therapy language I find this to be an interesting claim. It really comes across to me that a segment of women believe therapy language is exclusively to justify themselves and their own actions. It reads almost as if someone is saying, "how dare you use my weapons against me."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:46 AM
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I'd pump the breaks on that assumption. I've seen that phenomenon cut both ways across the gender divide and women controlling their boyfriends and husbands social lives to that extent is substantially less controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:41 AM
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So true. As I've discovered how to actually attract women it's caused me to lose all respect for them. They are so easy to play, and have no interest in the socially desirable qualities they go on about.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:47 AM
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It is important to recognize that just because something is considered "common," it does not necessarily mean that it is not problematic. Ignoring or dismissing problems may only serve to temporarily bury them, rather than truly solve the underlying issue. While certain behaviors or actions may be tolerated in one type of relationship or dynamic, they may not be appropriate or effective in another. You missed my point. I'm saying this phenomenon extends way beyond men or romantic relationships. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 01:47 AM
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why human stagnation took place in the dark ages. When religious powers seized all control in Europe. So if everyone turned to religion and we all placed faith in something someone simply makes up based off nothing. Then well, boy we might be in some trouble especially if we just look at history. Go read some medieval history. This statement is almost entirely incorrect. You are juat propagating a historical myth that makes modern people feel superior to those who came before them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:01 PM
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In my experience in all artistic and arts adjacent fields these people are rarely... mentally well individuals, so intelligent or not they partake in vices as you mentioned, and I am all too well aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:55 PM
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Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your semantic choices and we are saying the same thing, but it strikes me that people over compute classic BP characteristics in people who fit RP characteristics. I cannot even begin to count all the times I've seen men and women ascribe BP traits to someone who doesn't have them, but exudes obvious RP energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:16 PM
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What you are describing is common in all relationships. For example this is the normal answer given by parents whose children have estranged them. That being said not all reasons are good. We may say that the statement, "for no reason," dismissed the validity of whatever her reason was, but before we even get to that part we have to evaluate the reason first, leaving open the possibility that her reason is sufficiently poor as to amount to nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:10 PM
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I'm a professionally trained musician and let me tell you that as many as I have known musicians are generally not very intelligent people. Rather our art is arcane, and demanding of fine skills. To an outsider we seem classy, suave sophisticated, and intelligent. Truthfully the average musician is a boneheaded degenerate on the intellectual level of the average construction worker, but with a nicer vocabulary.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:32 PM
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Actually alimony was always for the wealthy. A working class family simply couldn't afford the expense of the divorce. Because neither man nor woman at this economic strata had access to a great education or specialized skills, the woman wasn't giving any opportunity up by being married and in the home. Likewise that man couldn't expect to trade up for a newer better model because he couldn't afford it anyway. Enter rich people. The man can continually trade in for a new wife because he has enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:05 PM
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The idea that women couldn't do any work is a modern fantasy Well if we tell the truth that highly competent women did many of the things a man did professionally, and that women could legally work non sex related jobs, but didn't whenever they had husbands who could earn for them it kind of destroys the whole "women were historically oppressed and excluded from a patriarchal society," claim that garners so much social capital.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 04:57 PM
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May I ask where you are from? I belive there is a cultural disconnect here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:02 AM
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I more or less agree with everything you said here, but I'm curious about this. i think still says a lot about things like the male gaze and male entitlement I can see the male gaze bit sure, but what does this really say about male entitlement?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 11:32 PM
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If someone genuinely didn't understand that would be one thing, but she knew what I was saying without the explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:20 PM
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My main point is that the sexual behavior of both genders needs constraining, always has. And that we probably need more restraint for both genders than we have now. On this we firmly agree. I would not expect our modern moral intuitions to perfectly align with equal morality for the genders, however we defined the terms, just because almost nothing is equal. I would expect that no particular moral facet would be innately equal between the genders even in the absence of social conditioning, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 05:37 PM
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Apologies for my insistence, but to the extent that we are socio-biological I still am not sure this direct sexualty vs tangential social dimorphism distinction has practical value. If we know that all social organisms are built on a biological chassis, and that the organims exists to serve the genes rather than the other way around then it seems apparent that social and sexual behavior have a fluid relationship with one another. To be clear it isn't that I don't see the distinctions you are mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 04:51 PM
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I actually prefer history books and a solid grasp of language, but Google's cool too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 04:26 PM
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Usury is only a financial term via common parlance usage over more than a millennia. It comes from the middle ages and is based upon catholic interpretations of usury as a sin in which usury is defined as benefitting off of a person at the expense of that person's necessities. The medieval church strongly viewed lending money with interest as squarely fitting the definition of profiting of off a person in need because material aid should be given in charity and not with the expectation of reward…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 04:17 PM
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You know exactly what I'm saying and precisely what the root of that word is. Let's not play dumb shall we?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 04:02 PM
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Excessive Toxic masculinity is just more destructive than excessive Toxic femininity. This is where we appear to have to agree to disagree. Hypermasculinity is more viscerally visible in its destruction than hyperfemininity, but what isn't seen and doesn't happen quickly doesn't necessarily lead to less destruction in the long run. Obviously I also disagree with the idea that adaptive responses to opposite sex behaviors can be atomized and judged individually as if one thing does not bleed into …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 03:58 PM
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Like most gender things, it isn't symmetrical. Indeed not. Nevertheless assymetrical entities can be equal in weight. But if you really let both sexualities go wild, male will be much worse. The male libido is just stronger, and then it will pair with greater male aggression to create a truly demonic cocktail. I can't agree with this. Neither gender's sexuality exists in a closed circuit. Overwrought female sexuality is as likely to produce violence on the basis of male aggression as overwrought…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 03:25 PM
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Men's sexuality has always needed a fair amount of demonizing. It can easily become demonic. While I agree, it certainly isn't evident to me that the same doesn't go for women's sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 01:49 PM
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So usury on the part of one gender is mutually exclusive with usury by the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 01:36 PM
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Do you think a cultural norm that removed expectations of sex from dating would solve this problem? I personally think this would solve a lot of problems for both men and women. Women gain the leverage to vet for relationship compatibility without giving up sex cheaply, while men get a lower bar of entry into the dating market because women can vet more men at lower cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:00 PM
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I guess egalitarianism works for some I would suggest it doesn't really work, at least not if the goal is to form long lasting relationships that lead to a stable family. The marriage/divorce statistics, and birth rates in western countries speak to this. I don’t get how people cannot understand that both partners can contribute equally to the relationship even if the activities they do are not literally 50/50. Ignorance is cultivated by promoting ideologies that decry traditional dynamics and r…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:24 PM
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You explained it perfectly. As my faith in the strict gender egalitarian (ie. feminist) model waned and I took a second look at traditional dynamics (in part because I've been around so many "outsiders" with whom interaction seemed more natural) this was exactly my observation. The parties are indeed equal, but the division of labor is enormously useful and weighted in a practical fashion toward masculine and feminine strengths. In short, assymetrical beings and their responsibility can be equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:06 PM
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These are just shallow woman who cannot comprehend that human interactions go beyond sex. Modern western culture promotes shallowness and diminishes genuine human social interactions in favor of mechanical transactions. Having had the opportunity to meet many people with backgrounds from across the globe it's my observation that these attitudes are markedly less common among people outside the west, but that they can be quickly adopted with prolonged exposure (especially in the case of the women…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:51 PM
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In general yes. The one area of exception is that Eastern Europeans have a greater expectation of masculine character traits in their men (and feminine in their women). Because gender egalitarianism is the zeitgeist in America our culture has developed to assume minimal differences between the genders. A serious consequence of this is that women desire the same sort of mechanical features (money, status, height etc) in a man as they always have while simultaneously expecting him to share her wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:33 PM
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A woman here in this thread posted this But no, most men aren't ugly, they're just not even worth looking at. This is the general sentiment that people are getting at. Imagine you were going through life being told that you are simply unworthy of being looked at. Do you think you might view that as categorically ugly? Even if you personally didn't view it that way how do you think most people would take it? You might consider that the ugly versus not ugly dichotomy is drawn on the basis of visib…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:37 AM
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Eastern / Central Europe This is the most relevant piece of your experience as far as I can tell. I know a few eastern Europeans well so I've come into something of an understanding of the cultural norms in that region of the world. The beauty standards for men there are absolutely nothing compared to western countries. For context I am American. I am above average facially and in terms of skin quality. I am well above average in terms of hair (also non visual features like intellect and persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:17 AM
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Women’s idea of top male are very subjective This part is irrelevant so long as women determine the top to be only a fraction of the pool. The rest of what you just said really has nothing to do with the dating advice you posted. My point was that it isn't a profound piece of advice for weening the selection pool to only include top tier men (subjectively or otherwise) for a great many women who haven't the qualities to attract and finally nail down the man they want. It might be considered usef…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:54 AM
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If we make a more realistic accounting of all the hurdles to marriage we will find that first of all, as I said, women don't actually neccesarily have one out of five options as top twenty percent guys. That means the four percent of all your options meeting the standard? It's more likely to be much less. This is before we get to the actual dating part where he decides whether he likes you sexually and personally to such a degree that marriage would be on the table. For a large number of women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:20 AM
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If men pick prettier women to approach and treat them better then women are de facto in a dominance hierarchy with one another based on beauty. The idea that what you do to compete with other women/feel self confidant and what you do to attract a man can be separate phenomena is irrational. Notably humans are indeed a collection of irrational biological impulses that bubble up from our subconscious, triggering behaviors without our understanding or control, so the evolutionary impulse toward ada…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:10 AM
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Those two groups are inevitably overlapping. If she only wants the top twenty percent, and eighty percent of men have no serious intention then only four percent of the male population is high enough status and intention to meet her expectations. That's before we consider that most women won't have one out of five options that are top twenty percent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:23 PM
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I always find it weird how when talking about why men should date older career focused women, it always turns into a list of what these women won't do for men, how they don't need men, and a bunch of other masculine things like how they make money and are basically men themselves. How is any of this attractive to men? A woman who doesn't listen, brags about not needing her man and leads with her career and how much money she makes does not sound like a catch. The interesting thing is that career…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:55 PM
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I think the relative shortcomings of BMI, and other health related statistics (diabetes) have been brought up by someone else more informed than me so I'll leave that to them. What I would encourage you to do is consider that men and women are asymmetrical beings and as such have assymetrical preferences. This means comparing fat women to fat men has quickly diminishing returns before our symmetricists draw the hypocrisy conclusion. This of course is the wrong comparison. Being a fat woman has m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:50 PM
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I couldn't agree more with your assessment. I had the fortune of going through an excellent primary education system, and it was inconceivable to me that my first experiences of educators actively discouraging critical thinking and outside the box engagement were in institutions of higher learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 08:02 PM
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Men have historically held a lot of power, and women have historically been oppressed a lot. There is just more force and power when men bashed women. They had the power to cause a lot of psychological damage and the social support behind them. This is patently untrue. I obviously can't give you my multi decade experience of studying history in one comment so I'd just say spend ten to fifteen years reading social history from a non gender academic perspective and you'll notice "women's oppressio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 01:51 PM
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Women don't have a burden of performance. They have a burden of being. Their solution is to make internal improvements and come to accept that state of being. Men's solution is to make external improvements in order to meet the expectations of a desirable performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 01:35 PM
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Tradcons and red pill share a similar view of human nature, but differ as to what must be done societally and individually. Red pill on the other hand has little to no overlap with blue pill so a tradcon disaffected with the gender situation would likely identify more with RP and be identified as such by blue pill people (incorrectly or not).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 11:33 PM
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Young people often have an easier time pairing based on personal compatibility. All the pressures and temptations of a genuine reproductive market have yet to become available when you get together at that age. This and when you are past your effective reproductive window and the market pressures are also gone are generally the times in a human life cycle that people will have the easiest times focusing completely on compatibility. This is one among many reasons why societies have historically e…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 11:27 PM
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Every major gender role shift in the last two centuries of western history has ultimately been facilitated by various men. If you think the modern system is set up to benefit men I don't know what to say other than that your intense ideological preference has blinded you to a broader reality in which at all moments men and women are both justifiably aggrieved by the system and that relative degree of justifiable greivance merely tilts slightly more in one direction or the other in any exact mome…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 09:55 PM
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Society and the World has historically done a lot of bashing and judging of women, and even now it’s not over. As if it hasn't done the exact same to men. It is over now. I've had plenty of women's friends and sat in circles of women and heard them talk. The ones who don't participate in the bad behaviors don't say shit to the ones who do. You are not happy unless we are throwing each other down and u under the bus. I want you to throw those who behave in an antisocial (way that negatively impac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 09:14 PM
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Bingo. Women want a man who presents as unshakeable, but they also won't feel needed unless they know you're human underneath. Explain your feelings clinically, calmly, even a bit humorously and you'll be fine. Actually express the feelings and you're fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 08:32 PM
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With that attitude it sounds like you'll be neither
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 08:29 PM
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Not even remotely true. This is a myth pushed by feminism in order to degrade female obligation to men. You'd be hard pressed to find feminists trashing traditional male obligations. They just spend their time pretending they don't exist and demanding they be made mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:51 PM
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Men feel they are asked to police other men, but that women absolutely refuse to do the same for their own gender. Historically all gendered expectations were policed within their own gender, but feminism shifted the culture by encouraging women to no longer hold other women accountable for behaviors men find undesirable. Much of what you see in the underbelly of the internet is the beginning of a cultural shift by men to match this antisocial behavior with their own. Either each gender enforces…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:11 PM
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That's an endless feedback loop. Men say the same thing for the same reason, and look where that's getting us.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:07 PM
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While that is of course all true it nevertheless remains the case that no human instinct or behavior is a universal and continuing good. The fact that women do this is a historical reason why they were forced to access power through a male medium.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:04 PM
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The spectator and the freak show are inseparable. He or she who looks, laughs, and feeds the beast is not any better than the beast.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 06:52 PM
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If you really believe that then these kind of discussions are fruitless because I could say the same of you. Obviously I do not agree with you. Why? Because I've spent my whole life hearing about y'all's burdens. Do you think I learned anything new when you just told me how to sit? Maybe once upon a time, but it isn't the fifties anymore. Here in the modern day I've explained the psychology of male sexuality to women who've been married for decades, and they are flabbergasted to learn things abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 06:44 PM
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That's what many tell themselves. I would say most everyone I know of either gender does not remotely live up to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 06:30 PM
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Don't you think that adds to the misery? Are you really any better than the people OP is criticizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 06:24 PM
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It does sound somewhat like you were trading emotional labor for the hope of a relationship and had not let go of the hope No, it doesn't sound like that. You are just reading what you want into it. I told her what she needed to know when I became aware of it and we agreed to try remaining friends. That's a mistake, a common one, when a person says they don't want something with you, accept it, believe it, and move on. ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE A BOYFRIEND. She wasn't being honest with herself. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:15 PM
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Give read the thread he quoted and you'll see what he's getting at. I agree it is worded roughly, but it appears meant to be reminiscent of how women talk about what they are owed and what they don't owe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:08 PM
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Go read the comments of the men that user is debating. That conversation he quoted is specifically about men who developed feelings for a friend and she is refusing to distinguish between that and pussy seeking behavior. I would know because I'm one of the guys she was talking to, and my comments are very clear on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:06 PM
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Women often fail to distinguish between these two things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:02 PM
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Boundaries like you said are the solution here for the victim Since we are specifically discussing how men are impacted by the so called "friendzone" it would be remiss of me not to point out that when men attempt to draw these boundaries or talk about the necessity of heavily bounded platonic opposite sex relationships they are cast as the villain of the play for doing so. any equivalent actions to identify the perpetrators of this behavior. Women want to hold power in western society that men …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:34 PM
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Yes because what you've heard is definitely the ultimate arbiter of what is and isn't going on in the media. Seriously speaking it was in quite a bit of the media when it came out. It's the only reason I even heard of a so called men's movement as a friend had seen a news report or something about the move and told me about it. Three years later I stumbled on it and watched it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:51 PM
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But being petty about it will feed into a narcissist's craving for any attention, js. Good thing I'm mostly dry, cold, and mildly condescending in my writing. In all seriousness though narcissists crave a specific kind of attention or response. I've spent my adult life in artistic circles so I've dealt with lot of mentally fucked people including more than my fair share of narcissists.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:45 PM
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Not really a fan of the purge. This place is already enough of a cesspool where intelligent conversation and honest debate rarely happen as is. On the other hand moderation sucks. What's one to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:41 PM
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There are men in this sub who will seize every opportunity to take a swing at women as a whole. And there are those of us who just take swings at specific conceited individuals be they men or women. I suppose with all transparency I'm more likely to take shots at the female bullies around here because they are prodding a group of insufferable young men who we know some number are on the verge of offing themselves. If obnoxious whiny men bother you so much let them suffer alone. Why try and make …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:24 PM
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Or maybe some of us don't like arrogance or bullies. The only purpose of her post was to poke and prod at the less fortunate. I may not be one of those people, but it still pisses me off when others try and elevate themselves at the expense of the weak. I don't care who is doing it to whom, when or where it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 11:51 AM
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It isn't even about them understanding men to be honest. They need to reflect on their own desires. I've never been in or seen a relationship that continued to function properly after the man lost sexual desire. They evidently want to be seen as something fuckable as much as they want to be seen as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 11:45 AM
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The girl it happened to me with eventually admitted that while she had never consciously thought of it like that, it was essentially correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 11:40 AM
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Honestly I think this happens less because women tend to read the signals over time enough to understand her newly developed attraction won’t ever be reciprocated. Men often understand too after the initial experiences. This whole thing only ever happened to me once and I was blindsided by it. I went on to change all my boundaries around women I know in order to avoid being drawn into something like that again. It ruined a year of my life. What irritates me is the women who think they are entitl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 11:39 AM
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You wouldn't know the first thing about me or how deeply or caringly I attach to people. You wouldn't know that I tried for the better part of a year to make a friendship with this woman work in spite of confessed feeling because I didn't want her to feel discarded or only valued sexually. You wouldn't know that when we met again a few years later in life we did date and she did admit that she was at that time wanting me to stay around without considering my wellbeing because of all the emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 11:33 AM
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You couldn't handle your feelings without sacrificing our friendship because our friendship wasn't meaningful to you. This seems a bit unfair. It isn't that your friendship was nice, but not as nice as sex. It's that your friendship was meaningful enough to trigger the urge for romantic attachment. I can see why it could be misunderstood in the way you said because the difference between good friends and romantic partners is the addition of lust, but this isn't just some cheap lust we are talkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:43 AM
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Yes you can. A person is a higher order entity that is built from the ground up. To see you as a holistic being I should necessarily be aware of the meat part becasue that's foundational if not of higher significance. In fact men who aren't keeping track of the meat lose sexual interest and women don't generally like that no matter how much those men still love them as people. What women really mean to say isn't that they don't wish to be viewed as meat (though many may fairly hate the term you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:24 AM
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Are you suggesting a man can't see you as human and meat at the same time in appropriate respective contexts?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:12 AM
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I'm a man I've had a similar experience of noticing the difference between how I was treated as an attractive versus unattractive person. You seem to be hurting. Is there something you are looking for in a forum like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:07 AM
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I dont see many women here claiming they look like models, etc nor do I. Its just some assumption post. There have been a number in the last day or so. This is presumably supposed to be a satirical reference to them. Really how often do any of you see women here bragging about their looks? It happens. Normally it's a way of communicating how she is better than whoever she is talking about even if her looks have no bearing on the topic. And its too funny some of you all seem so triggered I said I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:57 AM
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And what did they do to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:34 AM
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Interestingly it also works... I've never heard that term before, but as a trained entertainer it's totally a great way to charm people. It's not really as pathological as it sounds when explained, and RP undoubtedly gives it an edgy explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:23 AM
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Remind me again, what does zero percent chance times another number equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:09 AM
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Cool. I can get someone to verify I'm literally the second coming of Christ. Of course that wouldn't make it true. I'm not saying you're ugly. I'm not saying you aren't. I'm not asking for evidence one way or another. I'm just saying that your height, weight, and the words of a couple other internet weirdos' opinion of your body don't qualify as evidence that you are in fact attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:06 AM
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He implies one of two things (or both). Ppd women are all ugly rather than pretty. Ppd women are uglier than they believe themselves to be and are therefore delusional. Possibly all. Like I said the first girl is a face shot only. While she probably isn't fat, maybe she is. Men look at women and subconsciously decide either "I would stick my dick in that" or "pass." We don't pay that much attention to what specific visual cues trigger that. Figuring out you like boobs, ass, pretty face, not fat,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:02 AM
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You think men would want to have sex with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:54 PM
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I don't think men are actually that mentally aware of explicit visual cues. Memes are symbolic and the symbolism is pretty versus ugly not fat versus thin (notice you can't really see anything other than the first girls face).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:50 PM
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Not the same thing. The biological distinction between racial groups is poorly defined, where the biological distinctions between sexes are quite well defined. Furthermore the biological distinctions between sexes serve a biologically functional role that remains necessary to this day (reproduction) whereas whatever purpose skin color distinctions (as an example) may have served biologically they are rather unnecessary today. On account of the hierarchy of being that results in sociology being b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:46 PM
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Men choose to fuck mainly on looks. It's a low bar, but an atomic one nevertheless. Any woman who passes that bar is now in the running as a serious relationship prospect until her overall being disqualifies her. That would be holistic. Most women can offer a long list of what they want in a man. Most men can give you about five things at most which they specifically identify as impacting their feeling toward a woman. The only way someone could have a collection of specific criteria and call it …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:37 PM
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I think whether or not women have a more holistic approach to attraction is highly debatable. One might assume that to be the case based on the fact that women generally have a much larger and more specific selection criteria for mates than men do. I'd argue it's evidence of the exact opposite. A wide range of specific criteria suggests an atomized approach to mate selection. If you have a large amount of specific criteria you've spent a lot of time thinking about those features as individual pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:10 PM
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So it's some sort of karma thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:56 PM
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Real question for you. The urge to be good to people in need is not beyond my understanding, but why is it that women attempt to achieve this by offering validation pertaining to what one is entitled to? I'm not trying to take a shot at you by any means since the thought for others is respectable, but frankly I ask because these kind of affirmations come across as cheesy to me. It strikes me that men are best understanding that if nobody loves and adores them right now then that's because they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:43 PM
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You say you'd trade, but I doubt you would want that in reality. Let's suppose that each of us were to live a whole life as one gender and then a completely separate life as the other before having the ability ti comparing the two. First of all as the gender you are now you can't really viscerally understand the totality of what the other gender deals with. Secondly as a woman with a woman's experiences it's easy to know how to get the best out of a woman as a man and vice versa for men with wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:20 PM
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I know who she is. I just find it curious that she thinks a listed height and weight proves that she's pretty. The women around here don't seem to understand what evidence proves which claims and what evidence has no bearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:35 PM
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No. They want the nominal title of being the dominant one. They still expect the man to express all the actually dominant behaviors, but they want the recognition for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:59 PM
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I find it amusing how women thought the lib movement would just result in men paying ownership prices for rental quality products. You'd think they'd notice that men won't continually keep accepting price hikes for any other consumer product, but I guess not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:55 PM
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That's a better question for the mothers of ppd men than the men themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:45 PM
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In my observation the level of work expected of and put in by each gender skews heavily toward men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:44 PM
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It's easy to curate a good looking photo. Without fail every women I've seen post here has more photos on her reddit profile that are all less attractive than the one she posted. Yes they are conventionally pretty in various ways, but I'm skeptical that they consistently look like that in real life. Also they are displaying the least attractive of all traits. Arrogance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:35 PM
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And that makes you objectively pretty?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:31 PM
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Hmm I didn't really mean this as a "what about women" thing since I agree with you about guys larping here. It was really more of an immediate reaction to account for all the different larpers here, but I see how it came across otherwise. At this point it's more an aside, but the urge by some men to pop in and say "what about women" is born of a sense that mainstream society puts bad shit about men under a microscope 24/7 while largely wearing kiddie gloves with women. I don't know if you were a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 09:07 PM
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I agree. Can you post a female equivalent too? I'm equally tired of all the miserable women posting about how they have great very successful relationship, are such a hot piece of ass that men can't get off of them (I notice these are often sex workers), and/or are so satisfied with life that they just absolutely don't need a man, but keep coming here to bitch anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 08:51 PM
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Perhaps the male female ratio has finally leveled out in southeast and eastern europe, but bear in mind that cultural norms don't fully decay until long after the environmental circumstances that created them have disappeared. Eastern europe was that way for long enough to entrench norms that don't break down so quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 02:12 AM
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My question is, what is the explanation that some 4/10 5’9 pavel in warsaw (and no he isnt rich) has more smv then a 6feet 6/10 Brad in the West? Demographics is the easiest answer. The history of the twentieth century in that part of the world is one of immense bloodshed, and the death toll of national crisis is disproportionately born by men. Eastern europe has experienced a shortage of men since the end of the second world war and this has not completely leveled out as far as I'm aware. At an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:46 PM
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Honestly I've had plenty of female friend throughout my life. I was the guy who was socially adept enough to participate in the girl talk gossip circle stuff. I've heard "lite" versions of these takes rather consistently. It's hardly all the girls, but it's still a large and growing number. I don't know how old you are, but I've often thought that a lot of the discourse issue in subs like this stems from the fact that the women are disproportionately older and taken whereas the men are young and…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 03:22 PM
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Women and men aren't people in the same way. One of the great modern myths is that asymmetry must be synonymous with inequality. One who believes in such ideas might be inclined to see a ten pound bowling ball as fundamentally unequal (whether more or less) to ten pounds of feathers. Alternately one may simply look at the equal weight the scale measures and conclude that assymetrical phenomena can in fact be balanced equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 01:58 PM
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I've seen a not insignificant number of different studies in which women and men self reported on the variable being measured which was then tested against a third observed measurement, and in these particular studies the women's self report was overinflated compared to the third party measurement where the men's were consistent. That being said, the gendered skew of self reported data is likely to shift depending on what's being measured. For example women tend to over report charitable behavio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 01:52 PM
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cool! what's your career field? I'm involved in the music field.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:49 AM
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not at all related but I really like your prose and how the points in your writing flow. Thank you! separately, I resonate with the idea that overprotecting parenting harms kids because I feel it has harmed me socially and psychologically. If this topic interests you I would suggest looking into the work of the psychologist Jonathan Haidt. Among the many fascinating things he has studied is the massive cultural shift toward overprotective parenting throughout the Anglo sphere and the psychologic…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 11:50 PM
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A man wants a relationship that can never be dissolved under any circumstances so that he won't have to actually work on it. A woman wants a relationship that can be dissolved at any time for any reason in a way that distributes benefits to her so that she won't have to actually work on it. Modern western societies have a legal framework that privileges the woman's lazy noncommittal attitudes toward her marriage over the man's.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:15 PM
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You're turning the entire thing into culture war bullshit. If you've ever wanted a social norm to change or socially inculcated behavior to be modified you're a culture warrior. Biologists who study dolphins define cukture as socially learned behavior. Everyone is a culture warrior. a discussion around feminine and masculine energy. I didn't ask for a discussion around something so nebulous as "energy." I said masculine and feminine parenting styles which is a whole lot more concrete. There's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:30 PM
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Tbf mothers had a disproportionate impact on boys because they were the ones primarily raising them. The disproportionate impact I referenced was in comparison to the mothers impact on girls. Virtually all disadvantageous family environments have disproportionately negative impacts on boys at the macro level because boys are a higher variance population and require greater energy inputs for proper development. In terms of who raised them historically this notion that women did the primary job of…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 03:02 AM
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Lemme try again cause you aren't hearing what I'm saying. The OP is saying that this hypothetical woman doesn't like her partner. That doesn't mean he is a bad partner or a bad father. She just doesn't like him in keeping with the standard narrative of TRP where women marry men they don't like or respect. What I wrote is the likely answer to this hypothetical woman's confusion about why her son isn't doing so well. I never claimed that was the OP's point. In fact I'm not sure he had a point so m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 10:13 PM
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It is not, when the bad men they pick barely get any flak. It's not my observation that the bad men don't get any flak. Quite the contrary to be honest. We tend not to hold women accountable for their choices and allow them to play victim. The issue here is that their dependent offspring become victims of the mother's choices so yes it's fair to criticize It's the woman's fault for choosing poorly, not the mans fault for being bad. It's both, but how much sympathy does, for example, someone who …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 09:53 PM
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When I say “necessary for their social development,” I mean getting their kids in social activities regularly enough, not the parent being overbearing. Well we agree about that. And I’m sorry about your parents. Sometimes support groups work. Lots of people feel the way you do. Those things always sounded like a waste of time to me. Unlike my parent's other children I managed to get my independence by leaving and refusing to ever come back. I've been my own parent since as long as I can remember…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 09:02 PM
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just more blaming men's problems on women's choices of partners Women getting flak for poor partner choice or alternatively for not allowing a perfectly fine partner to perform his duty is perfectly reasonable. Women are like the glue in any social environment, and they have the power to either bring father and child together or tear them apart. In terms of feminine parenting styles, there is the debate between helicopter style parenting and free range parenting. In general mothers are more like…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:48 PM
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It’s not even about being over protective. Often times it’s the parents who have their kids in activities are over bearing, but it’s necessary for their social development. Yes and no. This parent who is overbearing while involved is still damaging the kid, but in less destructive ways. That being said because the overbearing parent generally plans and is involved in every activity they make the child do, this is still a form of over protection as children need unmediated socialization. Social a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:37 PM
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While a lot of the specifics OP wrote are indeed... specific, the broader issue is not often discussed here. A large amount of modern male failure is a result of a society that privileges feminine parenting styles. With any good thing there is a point of diminishing and eventually negative returns and we have passed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:08 PM
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This is the single biggest problem holding young men back. They were raised in overly safe environments with overbearing and overprotective parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:52 PM
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The dysfunctional mother is actually long studied in child development. We discuss the deadbeat dad often enough so this is worth discussing too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:45 PM
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Let's be honest though. In broader society today far more focus is put on the absentee or negligent father than the poor quality mother in spite of over a century of ongoing research showing the mother's disproportionate impact on a boy's long term mental health. I think it's time to start discussing the mother's role in raising a functional male, and the relevant developmental psychology seem to agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:08 PM
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That's my observation and experience of the world as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:04 PM
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Parents do this because it gives them peace of mind that their child is safe while alleviating them of any responsibility to actually parent in a live "parenting situation." It's a win-win for the parent at great cost to the child's long term well being and personal development. Unfortunately these anxiety reducing parenting choices are more common among women and older parents, and the modern woman simply has more power over offspring due to the modern legal environment and backwards social con…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:01 PM
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It's a decay in family social dynamics brought on by the overt introduction of gender politics into western society which socializes women to care more about random women halfway across the globe than their own male family members. In most traditional societies mothers are deeply invested in their sons future success, materially and romantically (Jewish mom style). I've been in a position to meet many zero and first generation immigrants (from very different parts of the globe) and this dynamic …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:31 PM
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Yeah the OP isn't necessarily wrong about what the equivalent form of sexual liberation for men would look like. The problem is, as you stated, with sexual liberation on the whole. It's a foolish idea that every prosperous civilization decides to experiment with and e eventually regrets. Alas we are species with amnesia, doomed to learn the same lessons over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:10 PM
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dude, you haven't proved that "women are 'fooled by euphemisms.'" To be fair it's not just women. It's actually most people to some degree or another, but women seem to be more prone to this in degree as well as underrepresented in the small group who are easily able to move past their emotional reactions. We all fucking know what it means when a guy says he wants a fit woman. This isn't him being an ass. "No fatties and no land whales" is. Had it occurred to you that these actually might be two…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 11:19 PM
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The problem with your view is that it reduces preferences and behaviors down to a level of pure subjectivity where all things are equal. The issue is that people's preferences are a product of their value judgements both negative and positive. Someone with a neutral view of these things can't have any preferences whatsoever. Men and women are like this and to expect otherwise strikes me as some combination of naive and overly sensitive. Now in terms of women being fooled by euphemisms they very …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:20 PM
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Different kinds of people can draw the same conclusion. Of men who are interested in younger women there will be those who caused the damage to the older women as well as those who didn't and simply don't want to pick up the pieces. This commenter did not say anything to indicate which group he belongs in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:56 PM
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It's probably real, but as of yet it's poorly defined, and nigh unto immeasurable. More scientific research is needed in this area.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:43 PM
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Oh boy. First of all the sixties is when the big shift in sexual behavior started to happen so I'm not talking about the sixties. I referenced historical time frames and by historical time scales the sixties was like last week, so it has more in common with modern culture than it does with most of the rest of history (or anything outside the west for that matter). Secondly while the twenties had a noticable uptikc in sexual behavior it still was nowhere near as common for women to be sexually pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:33 PM
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I'm pretty sure it did, but since it's been deleted I cannot verify.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:18 PM
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That simply isn't true. It happened sometimes and when it did it was hushed up, but sex was much more infrequent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:10 PM
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The only difference between your examples is whether it sounds polite or not. The meaning remains the same. I'm endlessly amazed that women are so easily fooled by euphemisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:01 PM
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He said she indicated she was only interested in real relationships while casually fucking his roommate. That's not a real relationship so yeah that's dishonest advertising.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 08:50 PM
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He said they put "relationships only." In their bio. This being said lots of women delude themselves into believing their casual sexual encounters are deeper than "people fuck, people cum."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 08:49 PM
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Notably, what you are describing historically very rarely included sex. That's what gets men up in arms. We don't care if you are getting to know multiple potential suitors. We care that you have a lineup of causal sexual hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 08:47 PM
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What you are describing is why most societies historically pair people up young. In my observation of successful LTR the two demographics who can easily form them are the very young who are just at the beginning of the reproductive window and the old who are past it. Once someone is in the window the primal material reproductive needs (money, beauty, status etc) start to take priority to the exclusion of good personal compatibility. This results in unstable relationships that don't last as peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 07:43 PM
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That's a scenario I hadn't thought about, but actually the developmental psychology on the issue has to do with early and adolescent development. By the time a person reaches their twenties (and particularly boys) they are just along for the ride constructed from childhood social programming that interfaces with their genetic predispositions. The real bigger issue is that older parents have fewer children and won't be able to make more if one dies. Becasue all their eggs are in one basket they e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 09:31 PM
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Depending on what study you look at it's lower or higher with the more recent studies I've seen showing it to be lower. For example the age of medically defined geriatric pregnancy has actually decreased over the last few decades. Still, there are other developmental issues with having children at a later age because of how such people are likely to parent a child. My generation was largely born to older parents, and is littered with unprecedented levels of particular mental illnesses that psych…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 08:56 PM
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Because most people define a fertility wall as the ability to have children. Most people understand that fertility is not a yes or no question. That aside everything else you said while perhaps valid has nothing to do with people going around denying that women are significantly less fertile after thirty.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 08:35 PM
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Dude debate in good faith. Ms. Pot I have a nice acquaintance for you to meet. His name is Mr. Kettle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:32 PM
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I mean, I don’t think anyone here is going to argue that there is no fertility wall I hate to say it, but I'm endlessly flabbergasted by the insane number of women who claim that there is no fertility wall or precipitous fertility decline from thirty and onward. I've even heard people claim that such information is "scientific misogyny."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:26 PM
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These men are worthless to society Ironically they aren't worthless to society. We are just blind to the potential value we could extract from them. This will eventually have long term social consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:07 PM
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Nobody should be making affirmative non probabilistic assumptions about you as an individual as broad trends may not apply to any given person. Nevertheless an individual's divergent experiences also don't simply negate privileges experienced by the broader group. The reality here is that when discussing broad social phenomena we need to be able to speak using broad generalities because these indicate common patterns. To have a mature and objective discussion about this we need to be able to put…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 05:12 PM
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Adoption is about not being a parent. You really shot your argument in the foot by bringing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 04:40 PM
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While this happens you are vastly overestimating how useful the "support" provided to children with ADHD or autism really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 04:30 PM
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I think I can clear up this confusion. The education system generally doesn't differentiate between boyish behaviors and behavioral problems. The traits you listed above are considered behavioral issues when girls do them too because masculine traits have been pathologized. You experience disciplinarian action for the same boyish reasons a boy does. Unfortunately statistical evidence show that boys simply get harsher punishments for it. As a personal anecdote, when I was a child I tended to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 04:27 PM
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In my observation men tend to have fewer people on the friendship spectrum (from close friends down to casual acquaintances), but also have a greater percentage of what I assume you mean by proper friends. Women I see tend to have more "friends" in general, but fewer close friends. I've had a lot of girls tell me they feel like they have no "real" friends. That aside my observation may not be born out by statistics. I recently saw that something like fifteen percent of men (under a certain age? …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 03:06 PM
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Google marriage rates among high income women. Or try birth rates. There are any number of Google searches that will spit out a multitude of results on this topic. I could just find you one, but why would I want to steal the joy of discovery from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 04:36 AM
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Being more willing to date a lower earning man than the avergae woman isn't a very large hurdle. Furthermore a high earning woman's idea of acceptable in this dynamic will still likely be higher in absolute standards than what a man needs to earn to please a lower income woman. Combine that with the instability of modern marriage contracts and we have a good set of reasons for men to avoid these women. Talking about male stigma in the absence of acknowledging the overwhelming risk a man takes on…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 10:05 PM
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And maybe men think that because women are more likely to dissolve a relationship with the most frequent reason being financial shortcomings on the husbands part. To simply ignore the preponderance of evidence in favor of men's reasoning on this issue is extremely reductionist. Men don't believe what they believe in a vaccum devoid of real world observations and feedback.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 10:00 PM
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Like any disorder there is going to be variation. I deal with this problem and for me it doesn't stop attraction to a romantic partner, but it does make me feel soul crushingly terrible after I've had sex with them. This only snowballs into associative repulsion if the negative feelings are ignored or inadequately addressed. It's an attachment disorder based on an unhealthy relationship with the mother and stigmas around male sexuality (generally inculcated or reinforced by the mother) that will…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 09:03 PM
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That's sort of a caricature of the complex. It reminds me of people who think Tourette's is a person who uncontrollably swears.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 08:18 PM
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I'm not sure where you see a significant difference. Statistics show that higher earning women are far less likely to marry or reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 07:01 PM
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I'm a cat owner myself, but from a man's perspective there are two kinds of "cats." The "outdoor cat" which is good for some fun and pets but not for a serious commitment and the "indoor cat" who isn't two timing you. A lot of modern women want to be strays with a house key. All that said I'm not sure what gives you the idea that dog like relationships aren't equal, mutually beneficial, and a product of choice. If you've owned numerous different animals in your life and witnessed other pet owner…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 01:52 AM
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The feminine aspects of cats that a man might not like could just as easily be justifiable. I see them as follows. Cats are disloyal; outdoor cats in particular. Cats can't/won't ever listen and obey. Cats may set strong boundaries where it concerns themselves, but aren't very concerned with respecting other's boundaries whereas a well trained dog is excellent at this. Also nobody likes to be manipulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 10:42 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 09:39 PM
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Well then it's a good thing you read my comment and noticed that kids and bars are at no point referenced in the same sentence. In fact I'm sure you were perceptive enough to see that bars aren't discussed in any part of what I said. The top level commenter stated that risk adversity makes for a good mother. It does not, full stop. The developmental psychology on children agrees with this. Whether picking up people at bars or not is a risk worth taking has nothing to do with whether children nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 07:08 PM
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They often take facts and statistics, and then use them to come to really terrible conclusions. Then women should argue the conclusions on the basis of the facts rather than denying the facts outright. For example they would take males testing higher on average for rationality and decide that means all women are stupid and innately inferior. I don't normally see anyone outright stating conclusions like that (maybe that's my emotional blinders in action). I'm not going to claim there aren't men p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 03:40 PM
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For biology we have the consistent finding that men in general when measured as a group have higher sex drives than women (obviously outliers exist). This is more or less uncontested among experts yet widely disputed by women on this sub. Another example is the term pair bonding which is also a widely accepted concept that solicits accusations of incel talk with frequency. Sometimes the men using it are engaged in incel talk, but pair bonding isn't the signal word. It's just a scientific term. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 03:00 AM
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it's not an actual set up marketplace where everyone has agreed on the values. This isn't how markets work unfortunately. We can quibble all day about whether market forces are natural and objective or socially constructed and subjective or any combination of the two, but at the end of the day the market heavily rewards male virility and devalues male chastity. Nobody has to consciously consent to these market pressures. They merely have to participate in them which is something a significant, v…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 01:35 AM
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Perhaps that may be the case. I certainly don't pick people up at bars. That aside I spoke to the specific statement I quoted. Children need to learn risk management to become functional adults, and this is even more true for men because men never have the luxury of offloading risk onto others (with the loan exception of child bearing for obvious reasons). Highly risk adverse mothers (or parents in general though this trait is more common in mothers) engage in parenting strategies to maximize a …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 01:07 AM
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Yes that is what men here frequently focus on. I was originally surprised to come to a sub about gender issues and find that every discussion revolved around sex. Nevertheless the value system of sex isn't "imagined" by these men. It's primarily enforced by women's value judgements against men who struggle in dating and mating. I've never been shamed for anything like that by men, but I have been called an incel by women for things that don't have anything to do with inceldom or even sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:53 AM
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People only notice or remember things that have an emotional impact on them. You have no reason to notice or recall the ad nauseam accusations of inceldom, autism, and insecurity that are directed at men who are merely assumed to be sexless by women here just as the men have no reason to remember what you are talking about. The tell that this is the case in your statement is the word only. I only have a subconscious emotional response to the shitty things women say here. Nevertheless I see and r…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 09:58 PM
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what happens to TRP when you get a girlfriend? This question has been over thought. The answer is largely the same as it would be for anybody who hasn't learned anything about TRP. Some of you have partners who I assume are on board with your RP ideas? Do they know? I don't currently have a partner, but yes most women I've previously had good relationships with know about and are on board with my ideas. They (presumably) didn't know all the assorted stupid internet terminology, but I do tend to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:55 PM
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risk adversity does make for a good mother. Or a stifling one who prevents their child from developing into a fully formed adult. Risk management is the skill; not risk avoidance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 09:51 PM
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I'm not even going to weigh in on what does or does not make a woman trashy, but a job title is definitely not an indicator of character.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 09:41 PM
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Thank god I'm more patient, I'll try to answer despite you not listening. No I understood you perfectly fine. It seems like you didn't understand why your view has no bearing on how men think about this. That some guys have a lot of success with uglier and looser women is not a matter of being alpha. A poor person being able to buy a lot crappy bags at the bazaar through haggling does not make him more successful than a rich person buying one Hermès bag. What is Alpha is the men that rate the hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:16 PM
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Men determine who is an alpha based on outcome not looks. The notion that the biggest most brutish guy is the alpha belies all available evidence of who is at the top of male dominance hierarchies. Furthermore, the preposterous idea of looks based alphas is not even remotely consistent with the study of sexual behavior in highly social mammals. Who ever gets the "fucks" part is the alpha, period end of story. Call it beta all you want, but most all men will choose that. Now when I said "you" I m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:39 PM
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Women do this throughout her 20s, Which incentivizes men to spend their twenties trying to be these "losers" who get to enjoy the sexual companionship of a woman. Not surprisingly there is then a deficit of the men women claim to want once they outgrow this behavior (if they do at all) because all the men learned to cater to that desire or dropped out of the dating market because they couldn't cut it. Either way there was no incentive to be your so called "alpha." You can't just impress a woman'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:06 PM
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It's an interesting topic though. Can she just change it to a CMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:38 PM
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You are confusing a woman's view of which men are best with a man's view. You seem to equate money, social status, and provider traits with an "alpha" man. This is normal for a woman to view that kind of guy as better in the long term seeing as women determine ultimate reproductive desirability based on social factors more so than men and especially as they (the women) age. Men on the other hand determine who the "alphas" are by looking at who gets the most frequent, cheapest sexual access. For …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:33 PM
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This depends on what 50/50 means. If the split is a symmetrical 50/50 then the answer is no. If the split is assymetrical then an equal power dynamic is ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:07 PM
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This response is littered with bad faith accusations, wild and unfounded extrapolations, character assassination and a little bit of a reading comprehension issue. Three times makes a pattern and you've done this each of the three times we've had a lengthy interaction. If you insist on an uncharitable interpretation of everything I say then this discussion is pointless. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 06:12 PM
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People are fallible. There should also be forgiveness for those who've erred. At any rate I agree with your sanitized version (which is different from OP's in a meaningful way). Now you go make a post about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:58 AM
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Sure… but most women don’t want an aggressive argumentative man like that either. No but they want a guy with some fight in him. For men that needle is difficult to thread because while women don't want unconstrained aggression they normally also don't like agreeable men as they are viewed as spineless. But also, agreeable does mean more than just not screaming all the time— it means being more “whatever you say dear” about things, or going with what the other person wants… and I think a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 11:30 PM
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because they are prioritizing looks and youth above everything else. This isn't really true. For some men sure but believe me I know countless guys of all ages who have struggled to find women who aren't cruel to them for whom their desired looks threshold is not high. Interestingly it appears that men are actually less judgemental of looks than women, but they are more important to us because we have a smaller list of desired traits than a woman. Seriously… how would you know this? This is why …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 11:30 PM
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The main point is dulled by a flawed messenger. Words and actions matter and the wrong ones will inevitably detract from the message. I highly doubt a hypocritical gender tribalist is going to convince any of the bad faith hypocritical gender tribalists around here to change their behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 09:54 PM
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I find it odd that spouse is ruled out. If my spouse is the last person I can take my problems to then why exactly would I want one considering the spousal contract creates huge obligations for me in return for... less than what a friend, family member, or emotional prostitute offers? When you hear men complaining that women offer nothing beside sex in a relationship it's not that it's all they value, but rather that women insist on denying any nonsexual provisioning that a man would actually wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:41 PM
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Agreed. It's why my term of choice is willful stupidity/ignorance even if I don't bother to lob that attack at the women I speak to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:35 PM
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Yes it is certainly offensive to people who are actually autistic and it displays a profound failure to understand how autism actuslly works. While under there own (erroneous) definition of autism they would be autistic themselves I personally prefer to just assume that they are just being willfully stupid. Reading comprehension is a huge baseline reference for intelligence and quite interestingly it's not the openly admitted autistics (men or women whether they agree with me or not) in this sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:19 PM
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I find it quite ironic that women here often claim the men's understanding of their statements is a sign of autism while routinely doing the exact same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:09 PM
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My lord what does a statement like this add to the discourse. You sound exactly like the men you complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:06 PM
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because the spergs are very literal. Do you understand you are now unironically engaging in gross generalization in your own right? The disconnect here is the age old gender miscommunication. Men take you for what you say, and then you assume we should mind read what you didn't say. For some reason a failure at mind reading (which y'all are equally terrible at btw) makes men autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:04 PM
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Some here seem to think that's some kind of threat when you bring it up, as though we're saying "if men don't get what they want they'll take what they want, and burn down the world as they go", In a way we are saying that, but it's a logical prediction as you said and not a threat or a personal conviction toward action. For example if I stated a belief that at some point Russia will drop a tactical nuclear warhead on the Ukraine assuming the war continues to go against them then this kind of pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 07:55 PM
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And for many others, the only requirement is “don’t be an evil bitch” Well for a lot of guys this is difficult to find. A large number of men seek women based on what they don't want in a woman and deem anything else acceptable. I think a lot of men say they do, but do not show this appreciation in practice. I agree that men often struggle to adequately show appreciation. It is still appreciated though. Issues that make people feel taken for granted due to lack of communication seem to be common…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 07:45 PM
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Yeah, for whatever reason there's a bunch of (new?) members who either say that it's gaslighting when someone responds with a different experience of their own, or just out and out say that you're a liar. I don't do this and I tend to believe that the person commenting their experience actually believes their own statements regardless of if their perception of self is actually accurate (which I have no way of knowing over the internet so it's not worth contending otherwise). That being said I ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:58 PM
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so to answer, no, I don’t see what you did there I thought I'd add that what the above commenter did was make a generalized statement that is an obviously disguised personal attack directed at her. She may not have done that in this post, but she has argued that generalized derogatory statements should fly where individualized ones shouldn't. This logic leaves the loophole that was just demonstrated. It is of course also deeply flawed logic. Let's use race for example if a person says X race dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:36 PM
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Exactly this. It's because we have crowd soruced moderation where the mods only review and delete comments that are complained about which skews in favor of the gender more likely to report.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:23 PM
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Your reading involves some mental gymnastics. You are right that the first "typically men" pertains to her personal experience. The second "particularly" claim is a broad general claim that places the burden of responsibility and the blame onto men, as evidenced by her claims about why more women don't participate here (which all things said I've not noticed an absence of women in this sub). On the one hand she claims to see it sometimes happen in the other direction (throw a crumb to the guys t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:20 PM
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Oh I see. That makes the excuse plausible. I'm not sure I buy it though. Ostensibly I'd agree with her general point, but for the hypocrisy and the solipsistic and willfully ignorant assumption that this issue is gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:53 PM
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Oh thanks! 😁 But yeah I think most of us are guilty of these things at one point or another, but most of us are more wrapped up in ourselves than interested in the discourse itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:50 PM
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You must not look very hard. There was a post discussing what a man who was late to the dating game should do and a number of women commented that this hypothetical man (define by them as universally socially maladapted) should find women in the same position. I pointed out to these users that the ratio of men in that position to women was skewed greatly toward the men and that these guys were being sent on a wild goose chase. When pressed on this issue each of these commenters quickly admitted …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:45 PM
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Good point. We had this little misunderstanding yesterday.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:36 PM
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OP admits to it in this chain, and frames it as an insult directed toward... downvotes? I don't know if I buy the idea that anyone is calling a down vote a little boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:35 PM
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I'd add the logic creates a loophole by which one can insult an individual while the literal comments text frames it as a generalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:32 PM
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Your idea of a personal attack is awfully fragile. I'd consider hypocrisy fair game to call out. Also it's odd to allow for a group to be slandered, but draw a line at the individual. If someone made racist generalizations about a group that would be fine, but if they were racist to a particular person it suddenly isn't okay? The logic doesn't follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:31 PM
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Most of the men here openly say “I don’t care about anything except your looks and fertility, so there is nothing else you could bring to the table”. Like, I don’t know what you’d even want with that question— it sounds like a setup to blast women as stupid for thinking their personality and income matter No it's that men don't tend to care about a woman's career or income. We'll support it if it makes her happy and we care about her, but we don't directly care about the career. Personality is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:15 PM
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Your conception of gender equality on this front is a high minded standard, but wrong nevertheless. Women have no shortage of people to bleed on regardless of whether you think they should be doing it or not. Men have none. This is not a victim complex, but rather an acknowledgement of the cold.hard facts of life between two assymetrical genders. I don't personally buy the whole go bleed in a corner by yourself schtick. A proper society binds us together with social obligations toward one anothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:38 PM
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the weird thing is women who get STDs, they blame the man. I guess to start with this women in general blame any problem on a man that they can find any remotely possible reason to justify. Perhaps you've heard the term female hypoagency, but if not it is the process by which women unload responsibility onto others, particularly men. It is evolutionarily adaptive as a pregnant woman or woman with small children needs to do this with her mate in order for reproductive cooperation to be successful…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:02 AM
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It is a particularly unpleasant verbiage to place on the male emotions around this issue which does serve women's ulterior motives. On this we agree. Nevertheless do men not feel discomfort at the idea of having to hold a relationship with this kind of woman (I personally do)? I'd rather avoid getting caught up in the semantics and perhaps we could agree that we are discussing some sort of negative emotion which men feel around this even if "cleanliness" is not quite the right term?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 12:38 AM
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She is claiming that men view women with many bodies as unclean and you are advancing the idea that rather than being unclean these women are notoriously bad relationship material (because of the mental baggage they have) in way that seems to present these as two distinct views. In my opinion they are one and the same with one being a rational perspective (yours) and the other being an emotional perspective and common behavioral driver (the dirty slut view). Assuming that your conclusion about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 12:31 AM
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Considering your stances on this sub fall into the slutty selectivity I decried then no we very much don't agree. If women want to be sluts then I support the cause of the whiners who want to be allowed to participate. If you wish me to rebut them back to their caves then women had best shape up to a chaste standard. Until that is the norm we will never agree. Edit: Also of note is that this isn't a discussion with the rest of the sub, but rather with me who has made my absence of a double stand…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 12:01 AM
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Not only have I never claimed women shouldn't be picky (stop arguing against what you expect to hear and start engaging what people actually say), but furthermore as a man advocating for female chastity it demands I support more sexual selectivity tied exclusively to commitment. The problem you run into is that modern women aren't that selective, but are hypergamous and engage in continuous courting. Most societies either enable women's hypergamy at the expense of sexual promiscuity and continuo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:54 PM
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Don't play her arbitrary distinction game. You are obviously right about the underlying logic, but because that logic is evolutionary, a strong feeling that this kind of woman is unclean drives an organism away from a suboptimal long term mating strategy with her for the very reason you outlined. She may not be literally unclean, but if that feeling does the trick then evolution stamps it's approval on it. One of my greatest personal revelations was that a metaphorical truth is often more adapti…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:39 PM
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Yes this is a valid point about women's conception of the issue, and I have never for a second doubted that they believe their own claims, but the issue is that the attitude is fundamentally impractical. If one wants that then they must assuage the concerns of the party they seek it from (same for men; it's more practical to not have the double standard when dealing with women than to insist on her accepting his own feelings about it). The two options here for women are to not engage in AF or to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:10 PM
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When you can tell me about ancient Egypt, the sumerian, hittites, Shang China, the Olmecs, Mycenaen Greeks, Indus river valley civlization, Roman's, Byzantines, Holy Roman Emprire, Phoenicians, Pathians, Aechmanids, Sassanids, Abbasids, Ottomans or any other of the endless number of great civilizations and their rise and fall in great detail you can claim I'm out of my depth. Hell if you even knew about pre civilizations societies you might be able to make this claim, but for all your technologi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:04 PM
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Yes you are right about that so perhaps you'll forgive me for that erroneous assumption based on the the fact that most commenters believe their view should take absolute primacy. Or perhaps not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:55 PM
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Lmao I'm pretty sure you are bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:52 PM
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Yeah women and men view the situation differently. Kinda oblivious if you been on PPD long enough. This is uncalled for snark especially considering that's literally what I was explaining to you and the fact that most posters here think only their genders views matter. It was just to highlight a difference between M/W and AF/BB within the context of the discussion. The difference is less distinct than people would make it out to be (though OP has thoroughly confused the two). M/W is a particular…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:45 PM
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The only point of words is to convey meaning. If you are more interested in the words than the meaning you are trapped in syntax and divorce yourself from a real interpersonal interaction. I did see that you re-engaged with him though and that he does indeed have a double standard about the legitimacy of men pursuing a dual mating strategy versus women (though if you are interested only in what he literally said he never actually literally said that until you justifiably pressed him). You should…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:35 PM
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Madonna/whore? No they don't (though many women claim their attitude is degrading them down to a level that is less than fully human), but you've conveniently side stepped my core point which was in response to your justification for the AF/BB phenomenon as if men should determine whether they are being degraded based on a woman's feeling on the matter. It's a solipsistic and selfish view of these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:26 PM
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I appreciate the offer, but I'm going to turn it down. You are obviously a good person, and I thank you for being a repository of virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:23 PM
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Sure, but it's bad faith to assume this on the part of a person you are debating with unless you have reasonable evidence to this effect. For example you have referenced ham sandwiches nowhere in this thread, and you've made no reference to anything that even remotely relates to a ham sandwich. If OP had used my statement to walk back his confusion about the Madonna/whore complex you would have textual evidence to support your suspicions, but I neither offered him that out nor did he attempt to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:17 PM
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Wow a woman’s sex partners tell a lot about her. You're obviously being snarky, but this statement is actually true. What does a man’s sex partners say about him? Genuine question. I like how your interaction here are sufficiently problematic that you have to openly state when you're actually being genuine instead of just stirring shit up, but I'll answer anyway. They say the same exact fucking things. Like I said above, this stuff ain't rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:12 PM
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With another interpretation that the only valid judge of the OP's statement (the OP) agrees with. You must have never been in a literature class in your life if you don't understand multiplicity of interpretation or the canonicity of authorial statements on their own work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:06 PM
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You... are... the... interpreter. The only valid judge of your interpretation is the person who said the thing. Get it now?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:03 PM
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without someone saying what they imagine the other person meant. That's literally how all communication works. The only judge of what was meant is the person making the statement. I refer you back to OPs comment up the chain confirming my accurate understanding of his argument (one I don't totally agree with mind you).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:59 PM
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No you didn't. At any rate I thought clarity might improve discourse. How naive of me. Go about your day good sir.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:52 PM
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I can claim my dick's fifteen inches, doesn't make it true. Yeah so go debate him rather than fighting the shadows you saw in his statements. He hasn't "confirmed" anything. You said something which he took credit for. He didn't say it. I don't totally agree with the OP. He is confusing Madonna/whore with dual mating strategy which while not the same do have a rather close familial relationship. At any rate If you don't want to converse in good faith then why bother commenting at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:49 PM
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I mean I could have been married to an ax murderer for 10 years. Doesn’t that say more about me than the number? Yeah it says you stand by your man no matter what and are loyal. Now obviously it has to do with other men because instability in a relationship is a product of the desire to seek other men. The notion that you could take a dynamic system like human mating and reduce it all down to one gender or another is preposterous. To draw arbitrary distinctions between interconnected phenomena i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:44 PM
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You don't understand how demographics work. Simple as. A 2.2 fertility rate is maybe two decades from going below replacement. Not a single industrialized nation in the world, regardless of culture, has stabilized at replacement. If Saudi Arabia, China or Iran can't do it who will? The Muslim and Latin worlds are still out producing us. Relative population is more important to a comletive environment than absolute population. Only artificial intelligence can replace human labor and we've never h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:41 PM
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OP's claiming it is vilified in one sex while treated as a brute fact in the other. At any rate I called for you to enage him now that he's confirmed my "very generous" interpretation as being synonymous with his argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:29 PM
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Women do not view men on either the beta or alpha side in a degrading manner. A lot of manwhores will tell you they don't view sluts in a degrading manner, but they still wouldn't marry her. Should women being told this view it as not being degrading simply because a man think that way? Or, is it perhaps more pertinent how the party being treated a certain way feels about it? Say what you will about how wome view betas, but men will inevitably view it as degrading to be seen as nothing more than…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:26 PM
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The user I tagged didn't understand what you were saying so I explained it to them. Seeing as you've agreed that I understand what you were getting at I'm summoning this person back to the debate now that they clearly know what is being contended.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:21 PM
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u/Early-Christmas-4742 Now that we know what OP is trying to say care to engage the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:18 PM
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Bingo. We have a winner. I don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend, but then again I'm a man so it's intuitive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:16 PM
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Nah, only tech matters now. Male labor and violence will become even more irrelevant, replaced by factory robots and autonomous drones. This has been said countless times throughout history, but society always reverts to the mean. There has never been a technocracy in the history of the world, and human society has undergone more dramatic technological shifts than what is happening today. Look at the fertility rates of the Muslim and Latin world. Patriarchy is not competitive; that's why it fail…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 08:35 PM
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Maybe it's an age demographic thing, but I've never seen that in my generation. Women in my age cohort are studiously encouraged not to do this or really anything for their male partners so I stand by my statement that in effect the contemporary cultural zeitgeist only applies this standard to men. In the past it was applied to no one, but liberal society has reduced itself down to the subatomic individual and destroyed broader social connections and obligations in the process. Edit: I just noti…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 08:26 PM
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Generosity in argumentation is a sign of good faith in debate as well as a good way to build ethos. To that end one should try and understand what was meant rather than focusing on the literal lack of clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 08:22 PM
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Basically low value men are going to attempt to rebel, high value men will smack them down and keep them pacified with legal drugs, VR sex and AI girlfriends. You are right about where this is going, but it's also best to be aware that the above solutions don't work over the long haul. Societies that more equally distribute sex and achieve greater buy in from the male population will eventually outcompete and replace us. What you describe here happened in Rome and they became dependent on foreig…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 08:16 PM
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He's maybe not too articulate, but what I gathered from his post and comments was that he considers these to both be functions of dual mating strategy and that it is unfair to pathologize the male version while letting the other off the hook. To this end he has in one of his comments stated that the "complex" (pathology) isn't real by which I believe he meant that it isn't a pathology and not that it doesn't exist or that it is more acceptable for men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 08:01 PM
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Interestingly though the mark of a good man is someone who willingly lets others bleed on him while he fixes their wounds. I've done that for others often enough to know this quote only really applies to men. I accept the reality of the world, but let's not pretend it's just.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:53 PM
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Yes a large amount of women and feminists in particularly badly misunderstand men, but I'd encourage you to step away from the mindset that what you are doing is objectification because that is the programmed in source of the dysfunction. If you see her as a person you are then free to have any other thoughts. Obviously this is easier said than done though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:46 PM
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I wouldn't really consider dysfunction as synonymous with abuse, and I wouldn't want to take formal resources from people with more serious problems. Informal support networks on the other hand are extremely difficult to find as a man. Nobody wants to hear about a man's shitty childhood. For guys "put up or shut up" is the way of the world. I appreciate your compassion and you are one of the kindest women on this sub, but you also seem a bit naive and idealistic to me. I truly wish the world wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:39 PM
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I gathered the OPs point to ultimately be that only one gender is vilified for it where it's considered unreasonable to expect more of the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:21 PM
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"Don't objectify women, treat them as equal beings"... Well sure, I can get behind that but it also shames and kills any kind of sexual desire then. A lot of sexuality boils down to being objectified one way or the other, and it's unavoidable. So am I a monster for wanting to "objectify" women because of how closely tied it is to my sexuality? It's more complex than that even. The issue is that feminist discourse (wrongly) reduces male sexual desire down to objectification and nothing more leadi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:13 PM
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Yes this is my great takeaway from life. Damaged people (or at least men) need to be alone until they repair themselves well enough to no longer be an inconvenience to others. It seems rather intuitive that isolation doesn't work for the person in question, but it does make sense if it's about what benefits everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:02 PM
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Nah it fucked me good. The inability to make a sexual connection has helped ruin every relationship I've ever had, and quite ironically women are less forgiving of these problems than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 06:39 PM
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I'd say I agree, but also point out that the Madonna/whore complex is a product of demonizing male sexuality since it is in part rooted in the idea that male sexuality harms women. If you love your wife you won't hurt her which in this context means she is desexualized, but you still have sexual needs. The solution? Fuck a trashy slut who is already damaged goods anyway. I have a Madonna/whore complex and I grew up in a lib fem environment where my sexuality was shamed starting around age eight.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:56 PM
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Yes that's fair, but women often pretend that men's views around sex mean they don't see women as human. It's like calling shoplifting a crime against humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 10:57 PM
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I'd use the term accessory. Like a designer handbag or fancy jewelry.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 10:54 PM
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Nah I'm just not a self aggrandizing man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 05:58 PM
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Maybe someone should tell people they don't need a made up excuse to spend a day enjoying something. If you need an occasion to constrain your drinking you are an alcoholic. If you need a day to celebrate a particular gender you are a sexist. If you aren't those things you can celebrate what pleases you whenever you please.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 05:49 PM
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International (insert identity group) days of any kind are stupid. The things we appreciate about men or women are hardly shared across the whole group so we might as well congratulate people for having a certain kind of genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 05:40 PM
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If the issue is that unrealistic sexual stimulation eventually detracts from the sex life of the relationship then they are the same. A lot of women have issues because they are too used to getting off with toys that a man can't compete with. That issue is identical to the one that arises with male pornography consumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 02:43 PM
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